Speaker 1: Balky. What a terrible first movie to see with perfect eyesights,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I was so excited to see my
Speaker 1: first movie without glasses at the theaters. And it's going
Speaker 1: to be forever. I'll never have a first movie without
Speaker 1: glasses again. Forever. It's going to be five nights at
Speaker 1: Freddy's two.
Speaker 2: Now I have to ask you, Ben, where is the
Speaker 2: gym theorem on this? Did you go to the gym?
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to exercise. I haven't been to the
Speaker 1: gym since, so don't you.
Speaker 2: Think you would have enjoyed it more?
Speaker 1: Maybe it may there's a chance I got that euphoria feeling.
Speaker 1: I suppose that's a possibility, But no, I I have
Speaker 1: been told I'm not allowed to lift more than forty pounds,
Speaker 1: and I was like, jokes on you, that's a struggle.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm not allowed to go because fun fact,
Speaker 1: when you get lasik, they they open your corneas and
Speaker 1: then they do what they need to do and then
Speaker 1: they kind of put them back together. And if I
Speaker 1: lean forward and strained to hard, I could pop my
Speaker 1: cornera oh my god, so that they just be flapping
Speaker 1: in the in there. And you know, I enjoy the gym,
Speaker 1: and I like that I'm getting healthier again. I could
Speaker 1: wait the week, you know, like that's kind of how
Speaker 1: I look at it here, But that's that's where I'm
Speaker 1: at with that here. But no, no gym time. And
Speaker 1: I went in much like how you go in with
Speaker 1: positive attitudes, Like I went in, I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: gonna suck, Like why why.
Speaker 2: Did you think it was gonna suck? Because I think
Speaker 2: you know, if you make up your mind that it's
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be good, then you're not gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah what what?
Speaker 2: What? Led? So obviously we chose this yes, because you
Speaker 2: had seen the first one sure and clearly enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Watching no no, no, no, no, don't don't don't put words don't.
Speaker 2: Why would Why would we watch a sequel to a
Speaker 2: movie that you did not enjoy?
Speaker 1: I didn't say it makes sense, okay, all right? Uh?
Speaker 1: I knew that it was a horror movie that was out.
Speaker 1: It was a recognizable property, and as I was talking
Speaker 1: about with you off the air, he's doing well in
Speaker 1: the box office exclusively based on name recognition. The first
Speaker 1: one is universally panned, even by five Nights at Freddy Fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this one looked like a different take on it, Like
Speaker 1: if I could compare it to something, there's like six
Speaker 1: or seven Meala jojovis six seven six, I gotta do
Speaker 1: it six seven Yeah, six or seven Meala Jojovic Resident
Speaker 1: Evil movies and they're nothing like the games. And then
Speaker 1: one day Netflix decided let's make an actual resident Evil
Speaker 1: movie that doesn't have yeah, and that somehow sucked even
Speaker 1: more than the Meala Jojovic one.
Speaker 2: But which is why they do that, which is why
Speaker 2: they listen. We can't just make it all about the game, right,
Speaker 2: Like there has to be some other element in this.
Speaker 1: This seemed like five nights effort to be like, look,
Speaker 1: the first one was really not like the game in
Speaker 1: any kind of way, and this one, based on the
Speaker 1: trailers and the marketing for it, was like, what if
Speaker 1: we did the game and movie for him? And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, maybe there's a chance that they could
Speaker 1: rectify this. But I always go into video game movies
Speaker 1: assuming they are gonna suck. Even though there have been
Speaker 1: some good ones, the rule of thumb is it's a
Speaker 1: bad what what.
Speaker 2: Are the good ones? Mortal Kombat oh yeah, both of them, all.
Speaker 1: Three of them. I'd give all three three. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a newer one that came out in like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought they're making another one after that.
Speaker 1: Oh they are. Yeah. And then so there's the one
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety seven. Ye that love was Mortal Kombat
Speaker 1: Annihilation that came out to later same cast, very very bad.
Speaker 1: At one point, Sonya Blade gets like in a mud
Speaker 1: wrestling contest. Yeah, another girl. But when you're twelve years old,
Speaker 1: you're like, no, this is a good movie. This is
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I sawn it for.
Speaker 2: Uh, the first one I remember liking. I saw it
Speaker 2: in theaters. Yeah, and I didn't play the game. Sure,
Speaker 2: this is just awesome. Throw it on right now. The CGI.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend it's good CGI, but for
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven in a in a in a video
Speaker 1: game movie.
Speaker 2: That's what the CGI look like like. It's very impressive
Speaker 2: for the day with Prince s Goron or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh and uh falling off the cliff that was like, okay.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Like the lizard be in a camo like
Speaker 1: thing and it becomes a statue like there's moments in
Speaker 1: that freaking throwing the water and it becomes an icicle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like there's stuff happening in that movie in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven that like, yes it is nostalgia, and yes it
Speaker 1: is being a kid, but I can see why everyone
Speaker 1: thinks it's awesome. Right, More contemporary examples until Dawn, which
Speaker 1: I've pitched you. It's on Netflix right now. I loved
Speaker 1: that one. The Sonic movies, like they're for kids. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen them, but they're doing a billion dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my kids come out. I haven't seen them, but my
Speaker 1: kids love them. Yeah the list. Jim Carrey's in it,
Speaker 1: so it's probably good.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so like but by and large, all the
Speaker 1: resident Evil movies, the Street Fighter can be the original
Speaker 1: Super Mario Brothers. It's kind of a crap fest. Like
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to make a video game into a
Speaker 1: movie in a way that people like.
Speaker 2: Do you think that this one? So I'm kind of curious, like,
Speaker 2: do you think after they made the first one they
Speaker 2: realized that we kind of miss because the people who
Speaker 2: want to see this movie want to see it because
Speaker 2: of the game, and it wasn't really all about the game,
Speaker 2: you know, in the first one. So then so then
Speaker 2: they make the second one, and I'm wondering if, like
Speaker 2: it still was not enough of a ref because when
Speaker 2: you make when you make references of the game, that
Speaker 2: can work both ways where people get annoyed like oh god,
Speaker 2: that's so cookie cutter, like you know, I'm too cool
Speaker 2: for this, but then at the same time, you you
Speaker 2: want to make it obvious enough we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's cool that like how they did how they how
Speaker 2: they do it in the game.
Speaker 1: Apparently there's a ton of easter eggs that you and
Speaker 1: I clearly because.
Speaker 2: We don't play the game, right, yeah, yeah, and and
Speaker 2: and so somebody else who would have was it the
Speaker 2: same director for both movies. I didn't even look.
Speaker 1: I can figure that out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I wonder if they're like they
Speaker 2: kind of scrap and they're like, Okay, we'll bring Hutcherson back.
Speaker 2: We'll bring I can't remember the woman's name back, she
Speaker 2: plays Vanessa in the movie. We'll bring these characters back.
Speaker 2: But we want to change the theme, we want to
Speaker 2: change the tone, we want to change the and you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: what it kind of reminded me of Ben the the
Speaker 2: second one, the plot line.
Speaker 1: With it, what hit me with it?
Speaker 2: Mithrigan? Oh Yeahgan two point zero. Yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of elements to that, I mean, especially with the
Speaker 2: robot aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wrong, Emma Tammy for both one and two.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she directed both of them.
Speaker 1: And Kevin Lewis for the far superior Willy's Wonderland. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll get into that.
Speaker 2: I was talking with commission at work and I was
Speaker 2: talking about Five Nights at Freddy's, Like, Hey, do you
Speaker 2: know what the better five Nights of Freddy's movie is?
Speaker 2: I'm like, does it have Nicholas Cage And he's like yes,
Speaker 2: And we couldn't remember the name of it, obviously, but
Speaker 2: he was referring to that one. And I saw that
Speaker 2: one before I saw it either either of these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's fantastic comparatively, and again rated are much
Speaker 1: more adult themed, even though it still is silly and goofy,
Speaker 1: it is definitely a little more I know they were
Speaker 1: parts of this that kind of messed with stuff that
Speaker 1: you don't like, but I'd argue.
Speaker 2: The first one was definitely more unsettling than the second.
Speaker 1: One you think, So I.
Speaker 2: Don't like, you know, it was creepy. I don't like,
Speaker 2: you know, things, because you know, I went to Chuck
Speaker 2: E Cheese when I was in Showbiz Pizza, which was
Speaker 2: like the forerunner to Chuck E.
Speaker 1: Cheese, and there was always a creepiness to those. There
Speaker 1: was even when they weren't.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, it was like it was
Speaker 2: a positive you know. It was a nostalgia where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I worked really hard in school, I got all these
Speaker 2: good grades. Now I get to go and spend it
Speaker 2: on tokens and eat pizza and like the the furry characters.
Speaker 2: I maybe I was a little bit too old for
Speaker 2: that at that point when I was going, but that
Speaker 2: didn't do it for me. But then to see, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just thinking back to my own childhood and
Speaker 2: seeing these creatures come to life and kill people and
Speaker 2: then you have dead kids being kidnapped and murdered, and
Speaker 2: it's like this is like I never saw Black Phone, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would enjoy that. Yeah, Love Lovely
Speaker 2: Bones with Mark Wahlberg. Sure hated that great movie and
Speaker 2: I hated it. I couldn't even enjoy it. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: I mean I watched that when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: so it's it hit differently. Okay, but I think maybe
Speaker 2: now that I have kids, maybe it's not to sound pretentious,
Speaker 2: but but like too late.
Speaker 1: So exactly what a what A about twenty eight years later?
Speaker 1: That movie started with a bunch of kids in a room.
Speaker 1: They don't show you anything, but it's heavily in blood.
Speaker 1: Obviously one of them survived, as we learned at the
Speaker 1: end of that.
Speaker 2: I think that with that, it's it's zombies. Okay, so
Speaker 2: it's a lot less real for me. Okay, whereas I
Speaker 2: know pedophiles, sure, I don't even know if they're pedophile
Speaker 2: matth Yeah, I can spoil the first one at least. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Matthew Lillard is is like you know,
Speaker 2: actually grati Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Just murdering children. Yeah, now I hear that, and I get.
Speaker 2: But even the opening scene of the second one, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I think I'm just a siding and like
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound left up, but like it's also real.
Speaker 1: Like the We'll use the Thomas Jane Punisher movie because
Speaker 1: it always goes back to Marvel when they're killing his
Speaker 1: entire family, and the hit man like is looking and
Speaker 1: all the kids are hiding under the table, and you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get away, and then he like backtracks
Speaker 1: and looks under and he like sees all the kids,
Speaker 1: and then you just see the machine gun light up.
Speaker 1: I remember being sixteen years old being like, oh, so
Speaker 1: this is going to be a good movie. Like I didn't.
Speaker 2: Realize the stuff that, like, they don't normally do that,
Speaker 2: But to me, the idea of killing pets or killing
Speaker 2: children in a action or horror movie says to me,
Speaker 2: nothing is off limits.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Pet cemetery gauge runs.
Speaker 2: In front of that super creepy right, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: so clearly they're going to do some really messed up
Speaker 2: stuff for the rest of this movie.
Speaker 1: And they absolutely did, and for me, that is a
Speaker 1: sign of something fun.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest, most talked about episodes of The
Speaker 2: Walking Dead was when Carol had to murder that that
Speaker 2: girl that you know, after she had murdered her sister,
Speaker 2: and you're like, it was kind of like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say Walking Dead reinventing itself, but going somewhere
Speaker 2: it hadn't gone before, and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: people upset about it, of course that you know it
Speaker 2: just but again it's now one of the most talked
Speaker 2: about episodes probably in television history too. I would think,
Speaker 2: like when you talk about killing kids like that, Now,
Speaker 2: I did notice in this one, and it wasn't just
Speaker 2: all kids. The violence. The gore was off screen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's because it's PG thirteen, right, so they're not going
Speaker 2: to show it. It's implied, but you don't actually see it,
Speaker 2: which probably irritated you a little bit so much.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was PG thirteen. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: I should have known that it was PG thirteen, But.
Speaker 2: They wanted they want to maximize their return exactly, and
Speaker 2: they want to appeal to this type of audience where
Speaker 2: you know, if five Nights at Freddy's two is rated R, well,
Speaker 2: parents are going to let their kids see that PG thirteen. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I can see that.
Speaker 1: But I'm now going to provide you with the entire
Speaker 1: comprehensive list of well made PG thirteen horror movies fourteen eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ring that ends the list.
Speaker 2: The ring was PG thirteen, Yeah, right, exactly. It's well
Speaker 2: is that the John qusay, yeah, I love that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then The Ring and that's it. That's the entire
Speaker 2: list of well made Beach. The Shining R.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I didn't realize that it was The Shining R.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The ratings were different back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see and also you've probably seen it on
Speaker 1: TV more than you've seen because I owned it, probably,
Speaker 1: And like, there's a woman who boobs are hanging out.
Speaker 1: Then it turns out that she's a she's like a
Speaker 1: you know, she's a dead person, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: see them talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're a right, Yeah, Yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The original Planet of the Apes or no, the
Speaker 1: second one, Charlton Heston gets shot in the forehead. They
Speaker 1: show him with the bullet in his head and blood
Speaker 1: trickling down g G wild Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, So what was going on in the world
Speaker 2: at that time, right? You know that that this is
Speaker 2: rated Vietnam? Yeah, so there you go. That explains like
Speaker 2: the stuff you're seeing on TV, you know, with with
Speaker 2: with everything going on there in Southeast Asia was probably
Speaker 2: a lot more unsettling. This guy is taking a fake
Speaker 2: bullet to the head, he's got blood. Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is fine. I always bring this up to with how
Speaker 2: these ratings are a farce. They're an absolute farce. South Park,
Speaker 2: I told you the story, right, Oh oh wait, tell
Speaker 2: me again south Park bigger, longer, and uncut. Yes, I
Speaker 2: think I know this south Park movie only south Park movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: They decide they're going to make a movie, they make
Speaker 2: it really raunchy. They send it in the ratings board.
Speaker 2: They wanted an R rating, Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ratings board said, if you want an R rating,
Speaker 2: you have to take this out, this out, this out
Speaker 2: as it stands. The best we can do is NC seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And that infuriated Trey Parker Mattstone. So they
Speaker 2: went back. They made it worse, They made it like
Speaker 2: they added all this extra stuff just as a big
Speaker 2: few to them, and they sent it back to the
Speaker 2: ratings board. And then the ratings board sends it back
Speaker 2: to them, like, okay, now we can give you the
Speaker 2: R rating. Yes it's a joke. I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: not to bring up the college football playoff thing, but like,
Speaker 2: have you been talking about this?
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about it, but like.
Speaker 2: The Notre Dame aspect of where they're in the top ten,
Speaker 2: like literally every single week and then the last week
Speaker 2: and nothing happened, yeah to the team that moved in
Speaker 2: front of him or not, Like it's it's a farce,
Speaker 2: and it is. And I think the ratings board is
Speaker 2: a farce too. I don't even know how much, like
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 2: less emphasis on that nowadays too, Like people don't necessarily
Speaker 2: care as much as they used to about.
Speaker 1: Ratings because we're the generation that like kind of was
Speaker 1: by five, Like we were the ones that had to
Speaker 1: sneak the movies. We had to sneak Grand Theft Auto,
Speaker 1: we had to sneak the South Park movie. And then
Speaker 1: when we grew up on it. The joke I tell
Speaker 1: on the show all the time is show me a
Speaker 1: boomer watching Fox News, and show me a millennial that
Speaker 1: grew up playing GTA, and one of those people was
Speaker 1: way more violent than the other. And it's not the
Speaker 1: one you think it is. And so we're like kind
Speaker 1: of grow we're now having our own kids, and it's like,
Speaker 1: well I still wanna.
Speaker 2: You know the thing, the thing that you always rip
Speaker 2: on me for this for not letting my kids watch stuff.
Speaker 2: And I think for me, I was really sheltered as
Speaker 2: a kid as far as what I was able to
Speaker 2: watch on television and movies. And it was a different
Speaker 2: era back then, Like there wasn't all this on demand
Speaker 2: stuff on the internet where I could just watch it whenever.
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed that part of my childhood where I
Speaker 2: feel like I watched my first PG thirteen, my first
Speaker 2: R movie, I watched them at the right times, like
Speaker 2: there is there's something I was happy I was not
Speaker 2: exposing My parents did not expose me to that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: right's co and Okay, well maybe maybe, But now I
Speaker 2: want to do the same thing for my kids. You
Speaker 2: know why I was telling you. We're watching Stranger Things
Speaker 2: and there's a scene and I wasn't the first episode
Speaker 2: of season one where Nancy and Steve are like having
Speaker 2: sex and my twelve year old son is watching this
Speaker 2: with me. I'm like, I don't know if I wanted
Speaker 2: he's twelve. I mean, I don't think it's like you
Speaker 2: should probably know about this kind of stuff. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I want to keep I would I
Speaker 2: liked I liked being sheltered from that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: When I was at age, and I want to pass
Speaker 2: that on to my kids too. But I get it,
Speaker 2: I mean, and I am a staunch believer in what
Speaker 2: you see, what kids see in video games, television, movies.
Speaker 2: There there's just been there's been tons of research done
Speaker 2: on this, and there's just no correlation between you watch this,
Speaker 2: watch this on TV, then you're gonna be violent in
Speaker 2: real life or dull. You know what I mean. There's
Speaker 2: just there has no there's been no significant correlation. So
Speaker 2: that doesn't bother.
Speaker 1: It's not like it was the Wild West in the
Speaker 1: common Hoers House. What I always find interesting is I
Speaker 1: could watch as a child. Leprechawn three right. Warwick Davi
Speaker 1: is at one point a woman from Actually she was
Speaker 1: an upstart actress in the Texas Chainsaw movies. I don't
Speaker 1: know what her name is in real life, but she
Speaker 1: plays like someone in her forties clinging to her youth.
Speaker 1: She ends up wishing to be young again. And of course,
Speaker 1: and I'll be careful what you wish for a movie,
Speaker 1: all of her body parts start exploding, and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there as a nine year old. Her lips get big
Speaker 1: and explode off her face, her boobs get big, her
Speaker 1: ass gets big, and she ends up exploding. Mom's like,
Speaker 1: no issue whatsoever. The classic Christopher Nolan movie Memento, I
Speaker 1: am watching as a teenager and at one point Trinity
Speaker 1: whatever her name is in real life.
Speaker 2: Oh ah yeah Trace the say Tracy ls Ross.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's a three names Ann Moss or something.
Speaker 1: Carry carry on Moss. Yeah. She calls the main actors,
Speaker 1: Guy Pierce's wife the sea word. My mom went turn
Speaker 1: it off. And it's just like the so, like I get,
Speaker 1: there are certain things you try and keep away from
Speaker 1: people and then other stuff.
Speaker 2: It's funny because my mom didn't really monitor what CDs
Speaker 2: I was buying, but then she heard me listening to
Speaker 2: Adam sand like an Adam Sander CD, and she made
Speaker 2: me get rid of it, you know. And at that
Speaker 2: point I was like sixteen or seventeen, and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm old enough to be here this kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: like I and I don't think I ever sold it.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I think I told her I did.
Speaker 1: And further, I hope this isn't TMI, but you told
Speaker 1: me off the air that there was a nightmare as
Speaker 1: a result of stranger thing my son. Yeah, did he
Speaker 1: come clean about that with you? Did? He'd say, well,
Speaker 1: I did have a nightmare last night as a result
Speaker 1: of what we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he he crawled into bed, like because he
Speaker 2: is so freaked out about him he so so. Then
Speaker 2: I was trying to get him to watch more uh
Speaker 2: Saturday night, uh huh, and he wouldn't do it because
Speaker 2: he knew he was going to bet right. Okay, But
Speaker 2: now when he gets home from school and I get
Speaker 2: home from work, he's like, hey, can we watch an episode?
Speaker 2: Like he still wants to watch it, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to put it that close to bed, And I
Speaker 2: think stranger things, like he's more understanding, like this is
Speaker 2: kind of a mystery and we don't exactly know what's
Speaker 2: going on, rather than just like a slasher like a
Speaker 2: five Nights at Freddy's Wich, it's just like it's all
Speaker 2: about like the murder and the gore or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I asked because my brother and I
Speaker 1: will talk as mid thirty somethings now, because the rule
Speaker 1: was you can watch this as long as you can
Speaker 1: handle it. The second you can't handle it, you can't
Speaker 1: watch this anymore. And I look at him as an
Speaker 1: adult and I'm like, so, my night my dreams were
Speaker 1: really messed up as a kid. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: mine too, because I never told mom and dad because
Speaker 1: I want to be able to keep watching. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would wake up terrified most nights. Like, yeah, me too,
Speaker 1: Like it definitely screwed with me.
Speaker 2: Dude. I don't know if I ever told you this.
Speaker 2: My brother, who has passed away now, but he's a
Speaker 2: year and a half younger than me. We used to
Speaker 2: share a bed and Ghostbusters came out and we didn't
Speaker 2: see it in the theaters. My dad rented it.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's some creepy imagery in that though, you're.
Speaker 2: Not gonna believe what I'm about to tell you. And
Speaker 2: so we slept in the same bed and he was
Speaker 2: like flipping out and had nightmares. And he watched it once.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if he watched it again when
Speaker 2: he was an adult. I never asked him about it,
Speaker 2: but guess what freaked him out from Ghostbusters? What he
Speaker 2: had the nightmares about? Oh, what specific thing?
Speaker 1: I can't even I mean, i'd assume it would be
Speaker 1: the dogs, it was not. Nope, you know what what
Speaker 1: I can't even come.
Speaker 2: On, think about that movie, think about the ghost, think
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 1: Is it the painting? No, you're you're painting?
Speaker 2: You are? You gotta think of something that should not.
Speaker 1: Be It's It's not Slimer.
Speaker 2: No, no, this thing is more innocuous than Slimmer, Like
Speaker 2: I I mean to me, it's more funny than anything else.
Speaker 2: And he was so creeped out by it towards the
Speaker 2: end of the movie, towards.
Speaker 1: It's the end of the movie. It's not stay Puff.
Speaker 2: The stay Puff Marshallow, That's what was was. He'd had
Speaker 2: nightmares about it. He was so freaked out about it.
Speaker 2: All the other stuff, you know, the screaming woman, ghost
Speaker 2: in the library, Slimer whatever did that?
Speaker 1: Uh? It was, but it doesn't make sense. Like I
Speaker 1: could sit there and watch all the nightmare and Elm
Speaker 1: Streets in a row no issues. Watching Christopher Lloyd become
Speaker 1: a cartoon and freaking who framed Roger Rabbit was nightmare
Speaker 1: for me. I'd be like, let me know when it's over.
Speaker 1: I can't handle this anymore.
Speaker 2: I guess it's because everybody's different.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got their triggers that that kicks them into gear.
Speaker 1: You know what I had nightmares about for for weeks.
Speaker 1: Was Joe Peshy threatening to bite all of Kevin McAllister's
Speaker 1: fingers off in a role alone And I had a
Speaker 1: dream that things were trying to bite my fingers off
Speaker 1: for weeks. I was terrified. It wasn't freaking Chucky or
Speaker 1: Jason was Joe Pesci and a kid. It's weird, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just how that stuff kind of works, and let's
Speaker 1: be real. Maybe you can speak more to this, But
Speaker 1: the stuff when we were it's like the people threw
Speaker 1: stuff into screw with us.
Speaker 2: Like kids movies would.
Speaker 1: Have one random, unnecessarily scary moment in them, like in
Speaker 1: Home Alone, where like the furnace would come to life
Speaker 1: and you're like, why do we need this? We don't
Speaker 1: need this scene in here right now, I'm six.
Speaker 2: And getting back to five Nights at Freddy's. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: pointed out I think it was. It was one of
Speaker 2: the paranormal investigators in the second one, Yeah, where he
Speaker 2: gets freaked out by one of the animatronics and he's like,
Speaker 2: what kid would go to this?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I was thinking the whole time
Speaker 2: through the first movie and the second movie. I was
Speaker 2: thinking that. And I'll tell you the other thing that
Speaker 2: I didn't like. The most unsettling part of this second
Speaker 2: movie was the opening scene, which is a flashback to
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, granted I was only three years old then, but
Speaker 2: it was very much like the late eighties of Chuck E.
Speaker 2: Cheese and Chobis Pizza that I remember, and it brought
Speaker 2: me back. And then to see what happens in that scene, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just And.
Speaker 1: That's probably what they're going for, right, because they assume
Speaker 1: a lot of the parents in the audience are probably
Speaker 1: around your age. That's gonna resonate, and the kids playing
Speaker 1: the game are gonna it's gonna hit them on a
Speaker 1: different level, which realistically is good movie making. Now I
Speaker 1: didn't put that to I didn't necessarily feel the nostalgia
Speaker 1: the same way, but uh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you another thing that I did not like
Speaker 2: about the second one. Yeah, all the reveals that Vanessa
Speaker 2: had hidden from Mike. I don't understand in what world
Speaker 2: is this just so traumatic that that she can't talk
Speaker 2: about it at the expense of maybe people dying, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, and and they even point
Speaker 2: that they even point that out. I can't remember as
Speaker 2: the first or of the second one because I watched
Speaker 2: them close together. But Mike even says, is there anything
Speaker 2: else you'd like to tell me? Right? And I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of like the same thing, and then the big reveal
Speaker 2: at the end of this one. I'm like, Jesus, what
Speaker 2: is with this woman? I just I can't believe after
Speaker 2: all the conversations that she and Mike had and and
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to believe that, and you know what, and
Speaker 2: you spoiler alert. And one ends as a setup to
Speaker 2: a third.
Speaker 1: One that is almost certainly coming.
Speaker 2: But go on, but we haven't seen anything about like
Speaker 2: an outspense of like yeah, it's it's been greenlit, we
Speaker 2: got a script, whatever, but it seems like it's coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what is going to be revealed
Speaker 2: in the third one, right, you know, the like like
Speaker 2: as far as or stuff that she was keeping from
Speaker 2: Mike and and my and and I mean, well, I'll
Speaker 2: just leave it at that because I'm gonna spoil to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And that is the type. I think we
Speaker 1: made the comparison before, and I don't remember what movie
Speaker 1: it was, but I compared it to Breaking Bad, and
Speaker 1: you said, well, in Breaking Bad, when you have these
Speaker 1: high octane moments, you might not be thinking clearly and
Speaker 1: talk well, which I did concede. I'm like, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: because I thought a lot of the drama in that
Speaker 1: show was brought about from A Walt being maybe too
Speaker 1: vague at times when I'm just like, if you just
Speaker 1: said what the fucking problem was, we could get out
Speaker 1: of this. And that was kind of the lynchpin for
Speaker 1: the entire plot of this movie is that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she I just don't feel like talking about it, and like,
Speaker 1: let's be real. I don't mean to minimize what people
Speaker 1: go through, but they're there. Trauma is very much a
Speaker 1: gen z okay thing that we don't necessarily relates.
Speaker 2: What's what's the what's the the the thing with we
Speaker 2: have been coached and drilled into our brains. These people
Speaker 2: that that have these traumatic moments. Think about Andrew Garfield
Speaker 2: and uh the Spider Man for or whatever it was
Speaker 2: where where he failed to save what's her name Gwen
Speaker 2: Stacy in The Amazing Spider Man two and then he
Speaker 2: saves m J. Yeah, you know it's not like he's
Speaker 2: he's he's peeing himself and frozen. No, he reacts because
Speaker 2: he doesn't want this to happen to somebody else. Vanessa, Yeah,
Speaker 2: seems to be totally like if it is trauma, and
Speaker 2: if it is these repressed you know memories or not
Speaker 2: repressed memories, but you know, stuff like that that she
Speaker 2: can't even think about or talk about or whatever, she
Speaker 2: is putting lives in danger. And that's not how this works.
Speaker 2: If you undergo something like that, you want to be
Speaker 2: able to fix it. The whole idea in the first one,
Speaker 2: Hutcherson's Mike loses his brother, and the whole idea is
Speaker 2: him trying to fix it. He doesn't want to see
Speaker 2: who took his brother. He wants to fix it. He
Speaker 2: wants to go back and fix it right and and
Speaker 2: he has the opportunity now with his sister to you know,
Speaker 2: make sure that that she's healthy, and he doesn't give
Speaker 2: it now. He makes that mistake briefly in the first one. Right,
Speaker 2: but but the but, but this whole aspect of all
Speaker 2: this this I can't even imagine the horrific childhood that
Speaker 2: Vanessa went through knowing that her father, like did she
Speaker 2: know that he was a serial killer? Growing up I
Speaker 2: think she did, yeah, and and and something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was an awful childhood, but at that
Speaker 2: same time, like you, you got to be able to
Speaker 2: understand you are an adult. Now, these are kids that
Speaker 2: you you can protect. And I'm going off on this
Speaker 2: and it's a stupid thing to go off. No, No,
Speaker 2: I was annoyed by it.
Speaker 1: I'm biting my tongue and letting you rant because I'm
Speaker 1: glad you made By the.
Speaker 2: Way, by the way, I don't I don't fault Vanessa
Speaker 2: the character. I fault those screenwriters.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what. I'm glad you took it there
Speaker 1: because I was gonna bring this up, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: organically you kind of felt the same way. Here have
Speaker 1: we evolved? And by we, I don't mean you and
Speaker 1: I I mean movie watchers because the trope of stupid
Speaker 1: contrivances and horror movies is so well done that Geico
Speaker 1: commercials have people hiding behind the chainsaws right go to
Speaker 1: the cemetery, like while they're being chased by the thing.
Speaker 1: Have we gotten to a point? Because I would argue,
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, horror has become much smarter,
Speaker 1: much more well written. A lot of times I find myself.
Speaker 1: I was watching until dawn and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I would just hide in the bathroom until the sun
Speaker 1: came up. In twenty minutes in they're like, let's just
Speaker 1: hide in the bathroom till the sun comes up. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 1: And then they show you why that doesn't work. And
Speaker 1: old movies wouldn't do that. They'd be like, the killer
Speaker 1: comes in, let's run up the steps. Well, there's no
Speaker 1: way to escape. You never questioned it because it's a
Speaker 1: horror movie. They're teenagers. They do the dumb thing. They're
Speaker 1: always gonna do the dumb thing. And we've kind of
Speaker 1: evolved as movie writers as movie watchers to the point
Speaker 1: where now when you see those heavy contrivances, when you
Speaker 1: see plot information just withheld for no reason other than
Speaker 1: withholding it, it sticks out a lot more than it
Speaker 1: used to and it's much more distracting than it used
Speaker 1: to be in my opinion, Or am I just old
Speaker 1: and cynical?
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, one hundred percent. And the audiences
Speaker 2: have changed. Expect We bring this up all the time.
Speaker 2: Expectations have changed. Movie watching is different. We used to
Speaker 2: go to the theater to escape our lives for two
Speaker 2: hours or whatever, an hour and a half, right, and
Speaker 2: let things happen to us passively. That's how That's how
Speaker 2: movies were seventies, eighties, nineties really too. Now with the
Speaker 2: explosion of the inner, with the explosion of all these
Speaker 2: other people that we can immediately we can share our
Speaker 2: experiences with right of watching all these movies, we are
Speaker 2: actively watching stuff. There's no passive We are actively watching things.
Speaker 2: Stuff is not happening to us. We're trying to figure
Speaker 2: out who the killer is. We're trying to figure out
Speaker 2: why this scene was shot this way, why why this
Speaker 2: was shown in the way it was, why something was
Speaker 2: not shown, what was said, what wasn't said. So we're
Speaker 2: constantly and this is not true for everybody. I think
Speaker 2: there's plenty of casual moviegers that do not watch movies
Speaker 2: this way. But I think trying to get people to
Speaker 2: the theater, trying to give them something new, you're giving
Speaker 2: them a new experience because we watch movies differently than
Speaker 2: we television shows too. We watch it differently. Now you
Speaker 2: can go full you know, maybe a little bit. And
Speaker 2: this is maybe not a good example to prove my point,
Speaker 2: but like Lost right, that television show. I was trying
Speaker 2: to explain it to my kids the other day. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's polar bears and a plane crash and then there's
Speaker 2: a time jump, and like and I'm saying it out loud,
Speaker 2: I'm like, who would ever watch this show?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Because they went full bore and into like really challenging
Speaker 2: you to pick up every idiosyncrasy on that where you
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. But you can't be so
Speaker 2: lazy to just leave a trail of breadcrumbs that's so
Speaker 2: easily founcked.
Speaker 1: That's not a fun watch exactly. That's actually what George R. R.
Speaker 1: Martin is running into finishing his books. Yeah, he said
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't. He that I've been writing for
Speaker 1: twenty years towards the eventual outcome that the Butler did it.
Speaker 1: But because I have this new large audience now, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying, hey, I think the Butler
Speaker 1: did it. He's trying to now circumvent what everybody else
Speaker 1: is thinking, which is ultimately going to end up being
Speaker 1: a worse product now because it's going to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more contrived. It's exactly what you're describing, and
Speaker 1: I'm a very big believer Bulky that you can have
Speaker 1: it both ways, Like if this movie had been better, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a place in the world for a simple
Speaker 1: popcorn flick in twenty twenty five. Still, I think there
Speaker 1: were other people that would absolutely be happy to passively
Speaker 1: watch something that's not gonna make you think. There's not
Speaker 1: going to be any messaging. My go to my quintessential.
Speaker 1: No matter how many times I watch it, I cannot
Speaker 1: find a message in this movie. Movie is face off.
Speaker 1: It's just fun for two hours and then it's over
Speaker 1: and there's nothing for you to think about. There's no
Speaker 1: greater message, there's no like, oh you know at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the energy was in yourself. Like no,
Speaker 1: it's just a fun movie. And very rarely it's like
Speaker 1: people almost don't even want that anymore, like because they
Speaker 1: can't process it the same way, but like it can
Speaker 1: exist and it's just not out there anymore. It's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's a much more active process now, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, like I'm not complaining. I love
Speaker 1: active walking.
Speaker 2: Expendables yeas a perfect example. Yes, yeah, we're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we gotta rescue this guy I'm going to kill a
Speaker 2: lot of people to do it. Yeah, sign me up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: face off. Hey, what if we actually could like take
Speaker 2: a villain's body and put him in a hero It's
Speaker 2: so it's so nonsensical, right, But what if? What if
Speaker 2: we made a movie about breaking into Alcatraz? Yes, and
Speaker 2: stopping Terrist?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: What if? What if criminals being transported by plane took
Speaker 2: over the plane?
Speaker 1: But see, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Though the
Speaker 1: rock was about the prison system. It was about how
Speaker 1: we treat vets after they return con Air. You really
Speaker 1: want me to get me started? I promise I won't
Speaker 1: dive into.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's the thing that that was just
Speaker 2: that was shrapnel. What you're describing was just shrapnel. In
Speaker 2: these movies, they weren't about here's.
Speaker 1: The thing, here's the thing. You ready for this, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna blow your freaking mind. And if you want, I'll go.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you more off the arcause I don't want
Speaker 1: to take it too far unless you want to go there.
Speaker 1: Con Air is right wing propaganda. It is it is
Speaker 1: designed to get you empathizing with a certain type of
Speaker 1: person in this country. And like as soon as you
Speaker 1: look at it through that lens. You're like Son of
Speaker 1: a Bitch. Still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 1: Absolutely love the movie. But it's propaganda and it's disguised
Speaker 1: as a well made action movie. I have watched Face
Speaker 1: Off a million times. There is no shrapnel exercise here.
Speaker 1: There is just fun for two hours, Okay, Nick Cage
Speaker 1: doing drugs and being goofy for two hours to.
Speaker 2: To kind of let the listeners know I am not
Speaker 2: as cynical as you are. Yeah, these messages, yes, I
Speaker 2: understand they exist. Okay, but to me, that was just happenstance.
Speaker 2: That just happened to be a part.
Speaker 1: Of the movie.
Speaker 2: That was not the movie. That's not it was not
Speaker 2: a commentary on that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk conn Air after this episode.
Speaker 2: You can't. We should do conn Air, We should do
Speaker 2: conn a podcast. Any excuse to rewatch that one? I
Speaker 2: could get behind it. Anyway. What was I getting back to? Okay,
Speaker 2: popcorn movie? Yes, okay, here's what I was gonna say there.
Speaker 2: That's fine, and people will see those movies. Yeah, don't
Speaker 2: pretend to be something else. If that's what's and five
Speaker 2: Nights at Freddie's two pretended to be something else, like
Speaker 2: throughout the last forty five minutes of it or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's such a good I didn't make that jump. And
Speaker 1: now that I'm hearing you say it, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I didn't like about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to take a good example of this.
Speaker 1: Woolly's Wonder World didn't pretend to be something it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was like, this is ridiculous. Watch us get ridiculous
Speaker 1: school project. Take it back to when you're in school.
Speaker 1: This is five nights at Freddie's too. This is my analogy.
Speaker 1: You get this big project.
Speaker 2: You're excited to work on it, like a report or
Speaker 2: maybe a piece of art or some sort of you know, diorama,
Speaker 2: maybe a robot like sure Science Fair or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're excited to do this. You're very excited, and you
Speaker 2: want to make sure you do it right. You want
Speaker 2: to make sure you get every little thing right. So
Speaker 2: you're very meticulous about putting certain things in places right
Speaker 2: and getting it right, and knowing that this is gonna
Speaker 2: be a long time, but it's gonna be worth it
Speaker 2: at the end because how hard you work. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then you're all of a sudden that deadline is creeping
Speaker 2: up on you, right, and you're like, God, I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't do this the way I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna start making some some changes and it's
Speaker 2: not gonna be perfect. And and then you're like, you're
Speaker 2: right up against the deadline and like, well, now this
Speaker 2: has just turned into gobbledegook. I just got to get
Speaker 2: it done at this point. That's what this storyline felt
Speaker 2: like to me. It was just they threw this stuff
Speaker 2: in at the end, this hand of God crap, which
Speaker 2: I hate, and it was it was lazy, you know,
Speaker 2: you you and I don't know what it is, like,
Speaker 2: I think I brought this up before. I just don't
Speaker 2: like we're like this all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: the claw reaches down and puts something in right at
Speaker 2: the end of the movie, where where it seems totally
Speaker 2: out of place, it seems lazy, and this is all
Speaker 2: stuff that that should have been, like you said, should
Speaker 2: have been revealed earlier, and it's and it's revealed later
Speaker 2: and it kind of changes, it kind of bastardizes the
Speaker 2: whole for me. I just I hate that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what this movie was to me. It's pretending to be
Speaker 2: more of a epic is too strong of a word.
Speaker 1: If you were fourteen, do you think you would have
Speaker 1: viewed it more like what? Yeah, I was a lot
Speaker 1: less that's fundamentally who this is for. Well, I was
Speaker 1: a lot less cynical when I was fourteen. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if I'm watching this as a fourteen year old, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, But I haven't been exposed to a
Speaker 1: bunch of other great movies that were written properly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But to put it in perspective.
Speaker 2: I just think like, you could have make it. You
Speaker 2: could have made this movie for a fourteen year old
Speaker 2: and a forty four year old, and you could have
Speaker 2: done it right where both both demographics could have enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent in agreement with you. Here's
Speaker 1: what they're running into. And I'm not saying this is
Speaker 1: an insurmountable hurdle because other people have pulled this off.
Speaker 1: But do you remember when they made a battleship movie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Leila Kitch, Yes, and it's yeah Liam Neeson and the
Speaker 1: it's literally about the board game. But other than the
Speaker 1: name of the movie, it really has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the concept of battleship it's important to recognize. I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people listening here have not played
Speaker 1: Five Nights at Freddy. The actual plot to the game,
Speaker 1: like what we are operating with.
Speaker 2: Which we're like an hour in. We haven't explained this.
Speaker 1: You're watching cameras for ten minutes and all the machines
Speaker 1: start off on the stage, but then when you're not
Speaker 1: looking at that camera, you go back and they're not
Speaker 1: there anymore. And your objective is to make sure that
Speaker 1: they do not get to the room that you are in, right,
Speaker 1: and they still they get closer in as long as
Speaker 1: you keep checking all the cameras and flicking all the
Speaker 1: light switches and keep your eye on everything, it won't
Speaker 1: get you. And it all culminates in a giant jump scare.
Speaker 1: That's the entire game. That is the entire game. Relatively,
Speaker 1: no low I'm not gonna say none, because if any
Speaker 1: Five Nights at Freddie fans do come across this, there
Speaker 1: is lore. But it is much like this. It is
Speaker 1: just like, hey, quick throw three lines of dialogue that
Speaker 1: are vague enough to keep people guessing about where it's
Speaker 1: gonna be from here, And the director decided instead of
Speaker 1: taking that ambiguity, because you could have made this movie
Speaker 1: just as ambiguous as the game and it would have
Speaker 1: been fine. I think in a lot of people's eyes,
Speaker 1: they decided, let's explain everything. I compared it on your
Speaker 1: radio show to Alien Covenant. I never cared where the
Speaker 1: Xeno Morphs came from. I did not need to see
Speaker 1: a backstory for forty five minutes of all with Actually
Speaker 1: the scariness of the Aliens comes from not really understanding
Speaker 1: where they come from. And this movie decided, actually, we're
Speaker 1: going to explain some of it, leave some of this
Speaker 1: up in the air for a potential sequel, but by
Speaker 1: and large, we're gonna take a lot of the mystery
Speaker 1: out of it. And it's in a ham fisted way
Speaker 1: that felt like it was written by someone that, as
Speaker 1: you highlighted, maybe was a little rushed towards the end
Speaker 1: of production. Here.
Speaker 2: Ah, I'll say this conversely, I got a little confused.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree.
Speaker 2: The spirits and the robots, Yeah, mixing them up, not
Speaker 2: sure who's good was the one?
Speaker 1: What was the one they saw? Or we couldn't keep
Speaker 1: everybody straight where they all jumped into different bodies.
Speaker 2: Oh it's what's inside.
Speaker 1: So what's inside. It was very reminisce of okay, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, yeah.
Speaker 2: Only now with animatronics. It's like, oh god, I can't.
Speaker 2: And then the new one was the old one, but
Speaker 2: the old one neverga you know, because they had like
Speaker 2: this this the five nights, so the way that they
Speaker 2: set up the second one, apparently there was another five
Speaker 2: Freddy fas bears, so whatever, and and that one closed
Speaker 2: you'll find out why. And then a new one like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the one we watched in the first one was actually
Speaker 2: the new one. Yeah, okay, I see that. And then
Speaker 2: and is that a metaphor for the first I can't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was Is that what they were going for? Because
Speaker 1: the first one was not well received? This one is,
Speaker 1: despite our reaction, more well received.
Speaker 2: Why is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, honestly, but the people
Speaker 1: that the faithful seem to appreciate this one a lot more.
Speaker 2: It's just to see a panned movie critically and by audiences. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then somehow they get funding to make a sequel,
Speaker 2: and the sequel not only does better, but people are
Speaker 2: loving to go see this one, right. That's I mean
Speaker 2: what I get it? If the sequel was better than
Speaker 2: the original, But don't you have doesn't the original have
Speaker 2: to be really good in order to get a sequel?
Speaker 1: Right, dude? This might be six seven the movie, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, maybe we just don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just after our time in a way.
Speaker 2: That was the marketing different for this one?
Speaker 1: No, No, I'd argue there was much more marketing for
Speaker 1: the first one. Yeah, that I had, Like, I was
Speaker 1: actually excited about the first one. Have you not played
Speaker 1: the games? Like, you know, people say these are really
Speaker 1: scary games. I can't wait to check this out. And
Speaker 1: forty five minutes in, I still haven't seen an animatronic.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, what the hell is this?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of exposition, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what am I signing up for right now? Where
Speaker 1: is this? It at least got into it a little
Speaker 1: bit more here and again if I were a fan
Speaker 1: of it, like, I'll be real. I did watch the
Speaker 1: animated Super Mario movie when it went to Netflix. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know this was reviewed, well, I love
Speaker 1: the Mario brothers. Let's check this out. In every seven seconds,
Speaker 1: there was a callback to anybody who grew up playing
Speaker 1: the original Nintendo and I was like, man, I know
Speaker 1: this movie sucks. You'll never convince me. There was even
Speaker 1: a script. People just showed up to work said what
Speaker 1: are we doing today? And there's part of me, in
Speaker 1: the basest form of my being. It's just like, ah,
Speaker 1: this is a pleasant experience and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's people there's nostalgia, right, and
Speaker 1: I think that I'm intelligent enough to acknowledge it, but
Speaker 1: at the same time not intelligent enough to escape it.
Speaker 1: And I feel like maybe there's a little bit because
Speaker 1: this is I don't know if you honestly understand how
Speaker 1: big of a phenomenon Five Nights Freddy's really is. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's huge, like it's huge, like
Speaker 1: and it's just it's much like the Minecraft movie, which
Speaker 1: is after our time, and there's tens of millions of
Speaker 1: people people didn't know the characters and want to see
Speaker 1: x Y and z app and probably loved the little
Speaker 1: Easter eggs that went right over all our.
Speaker 2: Heads for sure throughout this and where we're because we're
Speaker 2: just we don't have the experience of playing the game,
Speaker 2: so we're just focused on the actual story, right, and
Speaker 2: how it's being told.
Speaker 1: Whereas I'm watching the Mario movie and I hear the
Speaker 1: duck Hunt sound effect, I'm like, oh, triggered something like
Speaker 1: I just felt that in the back of my brain
Speaker 1: as soon as I heard the sound effect in a
Speaker 1: way that this movie's never Even if I had played
Speaker 1: the Games, I would have played them as a mid
Speaker 1: twenty something based on when they came out.
Speaker 2: Do you know I believe they are making a live
Speaker 2: action Adventures of Zelda? Yeah they are? Yes, Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: I didn't see. I saw who's got cast as Zelda
Speaker 2: and Lincoln. Yeah, and I never heard of either one
Speaker 2: of my probably British acts.
Speaker 1: And again, you want to talk about bare bones plot,
Speaker 1: Guy saves girl from giant pig looking monster. That's the
Speaker 1: entire plot of like seventeen games. I know, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: how they're gonna do that kind of stuff there, But
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how they end up doing it.
Speaker 1: But like I'm trying to give this movie will be
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt, Like if you're listening and
Speaker 1: you have any connection at all, maybe it'll hit harder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go in as a fan of horror and not
Speaker 1: necessarily five nights at Freddy's PG.
Speaker 2: Thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not good, not not impressed really in any kind
Speaker 1: of way. And I've never played Until Dawn, But Until
Speaker 1: Dawn R rated very fun movie, you know, like you
Speaker 1: can do it right. Even the resident Evils that I've
Speaker 1: kind of crept on. There are moments where I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is stupid, but this is fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that I did not get that feeling at any
Speaker 1: point during this movie.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I did this. And this is
Speaker 2: a little off topic, but that's the first show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I told him, told you about my kid having nightmares. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he went and slept in my bed. Okay, and
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say my bed. So my wife and I
Speaker 2: have been sleep divorced for years, sure, because I got
Speaker 2: a cepap and she can't sleep. So I sleep in
Speaker 2: the basement and my wife sleeps in our bed, which
Speaker 2: when she goes out of town, I sleep on that
Speaker 2: bed because they kids want me up there to get.
Speaker 2: I sleep so much better on it. I gotta get
Speaker 2: I gotta lose weight and get back into that bed
Speaker 2: because it's so much better. Anyway, So he wants me upstairs.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want me going downstairs, right, yeah, and and
Speaker 2: so so I'm like fine, So I went in his
Speaker 2: room and I was just gonna stay there till he
Speaker 2: fell asleep. And and this is at like midnight, eleven
Speaker 2: thirty and uh, I throw on Netflix on my phone.
Speaker 2: G I Joe Retaliation was on. Oh sure, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I watched that the whole thing. Yeah, could not
Speaker 2: turn it off. Not a great movie. No love watching it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: There are so many good scenes in that. But like
Speaker 2: it is, it is hokey, it is stupid. Nobody is
Speaker 2: at the peak of their powers in this movie, you know,
Speaker 2: at all. And and and it's just this fun, schlocky
Speaker 2: thing where hey, Hasbro's gonna give us a gajillion dollars
Speaker 2: and we're gonna make this movie.
Speaker 1: And it pays off on the president being a doppel ganger,
Speaker 1: like they didn't need to follow up on that storyline,
Speaker 1: and they did, and I was just like, good, yeah, good.
Speaker 2: This is the only thing that was bad. Was gonna
Speaker 2: get Joseph Gordon Levitt as as Yeah, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: he oh dude, you got to look up him on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2: I gotta think about this for a second. He was
Speaker 2: he was a voice. I'm gonna look it up. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look up because I know what I'm looking for here.
Speaker 2: This could have been a movie that we just watched
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, he was in this
Speaker 2: and it was a.
Speaker 1: Voice I'll talk while you look at it. Do that
Speaker 1: and it's uh. But that goes to show you, though,
Speaker 1: is that G I Joe for you? And to a
Speaker 1: certain extent my generation is what five Nights that Freddy
Speaker 1: is for a different group? Like would we feel the
Speaker 1: same way about G I Joe Retaliation if we didn't
Speaker 1: know G I Joe from the PSAs? Right, It's like
Speaker 1: g I Joe? Like if if hearing that doesn't resonate
Speaker 1: with you, maybe the movies might not resonate nate you
Speaker 1: with it as well either, because that that that movie
Speaker 1: had some shortcomings. What do you got?
Speaker 2: Uh? He was voice actor only in the New Knives
Speaker 2: Out movie?
Speaker 1: Who's that? Joe?
Speaker 2: Joseph Gordon not in the movie, but he has a
Speaker 2: voice cameo. He's not himself, he's playing somebody else. But
Speaker 2: I'm like, where did I just see that? Which, by
Speaker 2: the way, what are we doing with that? Are we
Speaker 2: going to do a podcast on that one? Or are we
Speaker 2: just going to.
Speaker 1: Say, well, I thought that's what we decided.
Speaker 2: We're doing well the next one, Yeah, okay, perfect, because
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch the first two, okay and compare it
Speaker 2: because commission's asking me, He's like, oh, how was the
Speaker 2: third one? Like, I never saw the first two, so
Speaker 2: I can't really compare it, and I saw the third
Speaker 2: one first. So anyway, back to five nights at frames.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that tomorrow next week.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I'm tapped out on this one here.
Speaker 1: Don't see it. Wait for it to be free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean six is what I was gonna give it.
Speaker 2: And if too aggressive, yeah yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say three and a half.
Speaker 2: Well not that long. Maybe I can drop it down
Speaker 2: to five and a half. Not I can't do five.
Speaker 2: Five is too bad? Yeah, I do five and a half.
Speaker 2: For the effort. Yeah, they tried to make a good movie.
Speaker 2: It had some elements, right, sure, you know, it's just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some fans service like that. I don't think
Speaker 1: that can.
Speaker 2: I think people who played the game will probably get
Speaker 2: more give it, definitely give it a higher grade than
Speaker 2: I am. Yeah, I think you're probably right. And again
Speaker 2: it's just like I always say about rating comic book movies,
Speaker 2: like you have to take into effect the fact that
Speaker 2: you and I has grown ass men like it is
Speaker 2: a happy buy product. It is not necessarily the guarantee
Speaker 2: it is for fourteen year olds. Yeah, outside of maybe Batman,
Speaker 2: it's for fourteen year olds by and large, and the
Speaker 2: fact that we get entertainment from it is just nice.
Speaker 2: Same thing here, you can make the arguments for a
Speaker 2: younger than fourteen year olds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to a certain extent. It depends because, like you know,
Speaker 1: Winter Soldier, it's like a spy thriller with government. It
Speaker 1: depends on which one, but Spider Man. I feel like
Speaker 1: a grandfather watching Like for the demograph.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, we're just talking about wonder Man.
Speaker 2: I think when that comes out, that's totally gonna be
Speaker 2: sugary bubblegummy, you know, yeah, meant for you know, younger demographic.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna get you think. So I
Speaker 2: don't know enough about wonder Man, do you know what
Speaker 2: with the plot is? No, so I can't remember his
Speaker 2: name and I'll butcher it. He was black Manta, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was doctor Manhattan. In the Watchman television show on HBO. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: he plays a stunt actor like he's a in l
Speaker 2: a right. Sure, but he gets superpowers okay somehow, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how he gets them. And his brother,
Speaker 2: I think is the villain. And his brother also gets superpowers,
Speaker 2: but he is bad, like he turns out to be.
Speaker 2: So I think it's brother versus brother, and they're both
Speaker 2: these you know, this guy was just a Hollywood stunt
Speaker 2: actor that all of a sudden was was blessed with
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, abdul Mantine the second there you go, that's it,
Speaker 1: and he was I probably butchered it. And I'm reading it.
Speaker 2: I want to say he was in the.
Speaker 1: Ed Harris is in this movie.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that or show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Ben Kingsley obviously is Yeah what were candy Man? Were
Speaker 2: we talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, the reboot? I think were talking about it.
Speaker 2: He I think he was the star. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think he's a really talented actor. It's weird some
Speaker 2: of the some of the jobs he gets. I feel
Speaker 2: like he should be doing more serious, you know, stuff
Speaker 2: like like kind of not to be racist, but kind
Speaker 2: of what Jonathan Major's was getting right, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like with love love Crafts whatever it is called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lovecraft Country was great, and I.
Speaker 2: Feel like he should be doing more serious stuff, like
Speaker 2: because I think he's a really good actor and I
Speaker 2: think he's classically trained too, And then he's doing stuff
Speaker 2: like wonder Man, which is fine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't see any reason. I like, I'll
Speaker 1: be interested to see how they end up playing this
Speaker 1: out here, but yeah, you could be right. I hope
Speaker 1: you're wrong, because I do enjoy the more mature stuff.
Speaker 1: But based on this, watch the trailer. Watch the trailer
Speaker 1: because it's it's just I will.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Benny Hill theme should be playing.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the trailer, but but just to leave
Speaker 1: it on a positive note here, given what you said,
Speaker 1: since we're doing a horror thing, go watch the Candyman remake.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen that, that that'd be more worth
Speaker 1: your time than watching Five.
Speaker 2: Nights unless you played the game.
Speaker 1: I'm unless you played the.
Speaker 2: Game that this would probably be a better But.
Speaker 1: I can say Candy Man remake even if you've seen
Speaker 1: the original. If you ask me which one would you prefer,
Speaker 1: I'd say give me both of them, I'd say very rarely.
Speaker 1: Can you say like, they're both fantastic in different ways?
Speaker 1: And I can say that, So take that with you
Speaker 1: on your way out the door, because I sure as
Speaker 1: hell can't recommend this. What's it called next week? Wake
Speaker 1: Up dead.
Speaker 2: Man, Knives Out Wake Up dead Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, is what we're gonna be doing, Netflix exclusive, although
Speaker 1: it has been out in theaters hence why you're kind
Speaker 1: of talking about it already, but yeah, I'm gonna catch
Speaker 1: it once it's available on Netflix last one of the
Speaker 1: year as well, so yeah, yeah, we'll be tuning in
Speaker 1: for that there or catching you then, thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week.