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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to part two of our double episode about

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<v Speaker 1>the life and literature of working class writer Jack Hilton.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't listened to part one yet, we suggest

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<v Speaker 1>you go back and listen to that one first.

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<v Speaker 2>Alamatina happen. Oh, very large child, very large child. Be

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<v Speaker 2>large child, child child Alamatina.

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<v Speaker 1>As we mentioned in part one, Jack Hilton's experience of

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<v Speaker 1>long term unemployment was all too common during the Great

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<v Speaker 1>Depression in Britain. But out of that mass experience of unemployment,

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<v Speaker 1>and in part because of the extra time that unemployment

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<v Speaker 1>allowed came a huge upsurge in writing not just about

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<v Speaker 1>working class people, but actually by them, recounting their experiences

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<v Speaker 1>of both work and worklessness, as well as their hopes

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<v Speaker 1>for change. The result was that the nineteen thirties was

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely rich decade for working class literature, arguably even

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<v Speaker 1>the high point in the history of British working class writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Caliban Shrieks was very much a part of this literary moment. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Chadwick, who we spoke to in Part one and

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<v Speaker 1>whose tireless efforts brought Caliban Shrieks back into print, reads

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<v Speaker 1>a passage from Hilton's text on the effects of hard

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<v Speaker 1>work on working class minds and bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of my mates have uneventually fallen into the way

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<v Speaker 3>of working for their living. Most of them greet me

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<v Speaker 3>and seem proud of Ela. They think they can perform

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<v Speaker 3>the function of his favorite recreation of a working class

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<v Speaker 3>bester than their fellows. I can eat the bloody job

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<v Speaker 3>is a common expression. Beastly blondes of toil, willing eagers,

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<v Speaker 3>eaters up of production. To me, they are overdoing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they work too hard and think too little.

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<v Speaker 3>But they know they are good ones at it, and

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<v Speaker 3>work never killed anyone, not hard work, even workingmen do

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<v Speaker 3>at times die. The stimulus to existence is work. It

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<v Speaker 3>is life's sole purpose. Work for a decent wage if possible,

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<v Speaker 3>but work, certainly for regularity, and plenty of it hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Many are prepared to do it under the odds. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>they thought the work game would go on forever. Rationalization

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<v Speaker 3>has now made their services less important. Thank goodness, poor

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<v Speaker 3>cattle full of pomposity when adorned in a new suit

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<v Speaker 3>of Montague Burtons tailor made. What tailor could meet their

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<v Speaker 3>slender purses and yet hide the fact that they are toilers?

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<v Speaker 3>Where is their poise, straightness carriage? Where is their elasticity

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<v Speaker 3>of heel? What collar could rest unwrinkled when their bony

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<v Speaker 3>collar bones stick out so generously? How can one's head

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<v Speaker 3>sit graciously when the nape of vertebrate aches with jaded exhaustion?

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<v Speaker 3>Such is the price of eating the bloody job. What

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<v Speaker 3>mental returation is acceptable to the fatigued body? None? Only

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<v Speaker 3>the artificial manufactured kind. Horse ology, cardology, rology, and sexology.

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<v Speaker 3>Man is the creature of conditions environ. If the bruise

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<v Speaker 3>is overworked, he generally cannot think what must be done

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<v Speaker 3>for him by ed Go Wallace win a lot on

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<v Speaker 3>the bow Street reporter. Of course this is for the good.

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<v Speaker 3>What is nicer than hewing wood and drawing water to

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<v Speaker 3>the thoughts of what's going to win the two thirty

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<v Speaker 3>or yes, he has to hang by the neck until

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<v Speaker 3>dead possible fortune on the one hand, and glorious better

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<v Speaker 3>than he on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>In this passage, Hilton aims his trademark sarcasm at the

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<v Speaker 1>cult of hard work under capitalism. But what's interesting here

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<v Speaker 1>is that he's directing that sarcasm at other working class people,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically those workers who pride themselves on their hard work,

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<v Speaker 1>on their ability to, as he says, eat the bloody job.

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<v Speaker 1>Work is life's sole purpose, jokes Hilton. So work for

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<v Speaker 1>a decent wage if possible, but work certainly. Hilton is

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<v Speaker 1>being sarcastic here because his fellow workers belief in hard

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<v Speaker 1>work for its own sake is actually damaging to themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>not just because of their bony collar bones or how

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<v Speaker 1>their vertebrate ache, but because of how overwork exhausts the mind. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Hilton's working class background is so important here because a

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<v Speaker 1>passage like this by an upper class writer would risk

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<v Speaker 1>being condescending. Hilton, meanwhile, strikes a fine balance between concern

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<v Speaker 1>for his fellow workers but also frustration with them, precisely

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<v Speaker 1>because he shares their experiences. The period that Hilton was

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<v Speaker 1>writing and saw a huge huge interest in working class writing,

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<v Speaker 1>as publishers and literary journals increasingly wanted to document the

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<v Speaker 1>experiences of the Great Depression. This was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most productive periods in British working class literary history. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are far too many authors and novels from this

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<v Speaker 1>period to mention here, but two of the most famous

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<v Speaker 1>working class novels from the nineteen thirties were Love on

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<v Speaker 1>the Doll and Means test Man. Love on the Doll

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<v Speaker 1>depicts the effects of unemployment on a young working class

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<v Speaker 1>couple in depression hit Northwest England. It was probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most successful working class novel from the period, being reissued

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<v Speaker 1>ten times between nineteen thirty four and nineteen thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, Means test Man was written by

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<v Speaker 1>outer work Derbyshire coal miner Walter Brierley and follows an

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<v Speaker 1>unemployed miner and his wife in the week leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to their invasive means test inspection. We go into a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more detail about the means test and how it

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<v Speaker 1>worked in Part one. Both Love and The Doll and

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<v Speaker 1>Means test Man are what's known as realist novels in

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<v Speaker 1>that they attempt to depict reality quote unquote as it is,

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<v Speaker 1>making sure to accurately describe the details of the external world,

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<v Speaker 1>what the characters look and sound like, etc. But perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>because of its origin as Hilton substitute for speech writing,

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<v Speaker 1>which we discussed in Part one, Caliban Shrieks is very

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<v Speaker 1>different from both these novels.

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<v Speaker 3>Really with you other sort of quite well known working

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<v Speaker 3>class texts from this period, like Lavoma Dol and Meancess Man.

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<v Speaker 3>He was so so so removed from the styles of

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<v Speaker 3>these texts and the sort of way they're structured. The

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<v Speaker 3>fact that he never set out to be a writer

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<v Speaker 3>meant that he wasn't oblivious to how these texts were

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<v Speaker 3>being written, but he just didn't care because he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>writing to fit into any mold. He wasn't make You know,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you're not conscious of it, if you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to write something with the idea of it getting published

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<v Speaker 3>and read, even if you're not conscious of the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that you're doing this, you are still going to be

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<v Speaker 3>writing it with these norms in mind. So like Walter

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<v Speaker 3>Greenwood's Love on the Door would have been written with

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of it having the kind of structure that

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<v Speaker 3>it really ended up having, even if Greenwood wasn't exactly

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm going to write this and it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>tick all these boxes or whatever. Hilton just did not

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<v Speaker 3>have any kind of sense of needing to tick off

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<v Speaker 3>certain rules of what constitutes a good piece of prose

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<v Speaker 3>when he was writing his own masterpiece. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>because of the rough draft of Caliban, Shrieks and what

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<v Speaker 3>would become colorb and Streaks made it to listenerary people

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<v Speaker 3>and publishes before Hilton even knew that he could publish it,

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<v Speaker 3>it meant that they then encouraged him to keep going

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<v Speaker 3>with his eccentricities and the things that defined his debut

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<v Speaker 3>novel as completely uncategorizable. So I think that the main

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<v Speaker 3>point is that there's just absolutely there's just nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>compare Hilton too, or if there is, I think there

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<v Speaker 3>probably is, you know, but it's completely buried and completely

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<v Speaker 3>forgotten and lost. I mean, I wonder how any other

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<v Speaker 3>private journals remained private journals from this period and from

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<v Speaker 3>afterwards and from before. You know, there's probably scores of

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<v Speaker 3>them that just never had for good luck to have

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of a fluke exposure at Hilton had, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the only text would ever have any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>similarity tiltings of those ones people's private diaries and journals.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't writing to be read. He just didn't care.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the time but his writing had been discovered

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that it was so form less or he

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<v Speaker 3>had its own form, and that this was something that

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<v Speaker 3>made it so special to people that you know, got

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<v Speaker 3>the hands on it, and the encouragement from these people

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<v Speaker 3>was then emphasizing the uniqueness of Hilton's pros. So Hilton

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<v Speaker 3>never had to really fit inside any of the uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the accepted rules of writing, and he was,

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<v Speaker 3>before he even knew it, he was being celebrated for

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<v Speaker 3>flouting these rules. I certainly, I think, you know, his

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<v Speaker 3>editors would have had a hard time because although you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he taught himself to write in the face and it's

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<v Speaker 3>unduskly the case for his pros at that point would

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<v Speaker 3>have been probably quite hard to read in the sense

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<v Speaker 3>that it would have been if you read some of

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<v Speaker 3>his letters and stuff correspondence, even from the late thirties,

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<v Speaker 3>it's sort of like its punctuation and spelling and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not it's like you can understand it, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>far more it's vernacular Lancastrian, and I think his editors

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<v Speaker 3>tried to keep as much of it as possible, but

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<v Speaker 3>still had to sort of put a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>stret jacket on his writing.

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<v Speaker 1>However, Hilton was not always happy to receive this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of straight jacket from his editors. A few years after

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<v Speaker 1>Caliban Shrieks was published, one of Hilton's stories was due

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<v Speaker 1>to appear in the literary journal New Writing, but he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled it when he found out he'd gotten a book

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<v Speaker 1>deal elsewhere. In a letter to friend and fellow working

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<v Speaker 1>class author Jack Common, Hilton explained that he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>what he referred to as the New Writing editors amendments

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<v Speaker 1>and cuttings. Quote he takes the bloody life out of

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<v Speaker 1>a job. These parts of university boys with a flairy

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<v Speaker 1>flair for lit in the worst form are too dictatorially important.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote. In another letter to Common, Hilton explains how

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<v Speaker 1>he was determined to quote break through the independence of

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<v Speaker 1>this lot of little big men, these silver spoon progressive editors.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want anyone to get the impression from what

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<v Speaker 3>I've said that Hilton didn't know what he should be

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<v Speaker 3>doing with Caliban Shrieks, because you know, like I say,

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<v Speaker 3>he did read hundreds and hundreds of novels from the

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<v Speaker 3>English canon, and including like modernist texts like Lawrences, Sons

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<v Speaker 3>and love It. He'd read it all, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he would have had an idea of what a novel

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<v Speaker 3>should have been in the eyes of the people that

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<v Speaker 3>over time held the purse strings that publishes. But so

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<v Speaker 3>many people, even critics nowadays, responding to Caliban Shrieks, have

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<v Speaker 3>this tendency to view what Hilton does as being just

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<v Speaker 3>either completely acts or just not giving him the credit.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's due for the effects. But his book has

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost like, oh, it's just a it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>happy accident that he has. It's this stirring effect and

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<v Speaker 3>that he takes you on this emotional journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, Hilton was well acquainted with the works of the

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<v Speaker 1>literary canon, not to mention it's various techniques and motives,

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<v Speaker 1>as shown in this next passage that Jack is about

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<v Speaker 1>to read out.

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<v Speaker 3>The lily painted descriptions of nature by an artist in

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<v Speaker 3>the throes of hypnotic rapture is but the expression of

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<v Speaker 3>the dualism of being well fed and ideally imaginative. The Grecians,

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<v Speaker 3>with their culture, belong to the well fed minority, while

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<v Speaker 3>their slave brethren are more or less inexpressive. So it

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<v Speaker 3>on their Sunday hikes with those back to nature. Rook's

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<v Speaker 3>possibility of discomfort. The miles are long and reary, They

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<v Speaker 1>There's a biting cynicism here which seems aimed at the

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<v Speaker 1>writings of romantic nature poetry or Victorian landscape painters, which

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<v Speaker 1>he calls noctanbulist wall gatherings, that is, the pointless daydreams

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<v Speaker 1>of a sleepwalker. Basically, Hill unmocks their descriptions of silken

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<v Speaker 1>blue skies and stockered sunny tints, saying that they have

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. As we discussed in Part one, the hobo's

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<v Speaker 1>relationship to nature and the sky is entirely practical. Will

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<v Speaker 1>or sleep outside comfortably? In stark contrast to the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>of nature poets or painters. Then, Hilton writes that the

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<v Speaker 1>hoboes paths are long and weary and lead uninterestingly from

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<v Speaker 1>one town to another. But this contrast is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>a total rejection of the literary canon. As mentioned previously,

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<v Speaker 1>Hilton frequently quotes Shakespeare in his novel, and in this

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<v Speaker 1>passage itself, he even drops little mentions of the ancient Greeks,

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<v Speaker 1>like his comments about Grecian culture belonging to a well

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<v Speaker 1>fed minority and nature's dithrambic humor, with the dithorm being

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<v Speaker 1>an ancient Greek form of choral song or poem. So

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<v Speaker 1>while it might seem at first that Hilton's point is

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<v Speaker 1>that literary tradition is of no interest to the poor,

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<v Speaker 1>on closer inspection, it's more that the conditions of the

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<v Speaker 1>poor detach them from literary tradition. Hilton's mockera tradition, while

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<v Speaker 1>drawing on parts of it, can be reared as another

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<v Speaker 1>example of his attempt to seize it for the working class.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as it's a comment about bourgeois literature, it's

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<v Speaker 1>if only everyone was well fed. The success of Caliban

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<v Speaker 1>Shrieks opened up new opportunities for Jack hillan.

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<v Speaker 3>After Caliban Shrieks was met with critical acclaim and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>favorable reviews from the likes of All Well and Order

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<v Speaker 3>and the rest of the source of moderness circle around Fidelphi.

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<v Speaker 3>It gave Hilton this confidence to pursue writing, even though

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<v Speaker 3>he'd never in his entire life thought that he could

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<v Speaker 3>one day do this. He never thought of himself as

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<v Speaker 3>ever having the ability to make money from his expression.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd only ever thought of his expression as being potentially

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<v Speaker 3>useful in getting a better quality of life for his class.

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<v Speaker 3>But he took the opportunity presented by the success of

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<v Speaker 3>Calaban Shrieks to go and study at Ruskin College. And

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<v Speaker 3>he studied there, And I'd not be able to find

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<v Speaker 3>it exactly what he studied, but it would have been,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, quite an all encompassing course, maybe evolving politics, economics, literature.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruskin College was set up in eighteen ninety nine with

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<v Speaker 1>the aim of providing education to the working classes. The

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<v Speaker 1>college received funding from trade unions and sympathetic wealthy benefactors,

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<v Speaker 1>and provided working people with the opportunity to do long

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<v Speaker 1>distance and evening courses. However, its main function was as

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<v Speaker 1>a residential college where working class people could live and

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<v Speaker 1>study for a minimal price, with many attending on scholarships.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next few years, Hilton would publish two more novels,

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<v Speaker 1>Champion in nineteen thirty eight and Laugh at Polonius in

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<v Speaker 3>Both of these have fantastically written demonstrations for his ability

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<v Speaker 3>to write a very neat novel that gets across working

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<v Speaker 3>class life in a really powerful way, but they weren't really,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, the kind of things that he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to write. And by this point there was just this

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<v Speaker 3>general turn away from working class writers on the part

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<v Speaker 3>of publishing houses, and it became more and more of

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<v Speaker 3>an uphill struggle. And it had always been steep, it

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<v Speaker 3>became almost vertical struggle to get publishers to pay any

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<v Speaker 3>mind to people like Hilton, even though he did have

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<v Speaker 3>the assistance of people with big profiles, of more respected

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<v Speaker 3>writers like Orwell. And in the case of Orwell, he

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<v Speaker 3>received a lot of help, particularly into the forties, and

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<v Speaker 3>this help was I think, really it's quite fair to

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<v Speaker 3>say that Orwell gave more support and more concrete help

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<v Speaker 3>to Jack Hilton than he gave to any other writer

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<v Speaker 3>in his life. And this, you know, it took the

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<v Speaker 3>shape of in the I think nineteen forty five the

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<v Speaker 3>two after making their correspondence because of the war, because

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<v Speaker 3>of Orwell's illness, is just in general, because of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we'd both been busy with other things. That Hilton had

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<v Speaker 3>been doing something for the war effort, I think working

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<v Speaker 3>in you to put out fires. They got back in

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<v Speaker 3>touch with each other, and Hilton asked Llwell for help

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<v Speaker 3>with moving forward with the kinds of things he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to write, and all Well not only putting a good

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<v Speaker 3>word for Hilton with his publisher at Jonathan Cape, but

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<v Speaker 3>he invited Hilton to come and take tea with him

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<v Speaker 3>in his Latin Islington, which was incredibly rare. Or Well

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<v Speaker 3>did this with only might be like less than a

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<v Speaker 3>handful of other people, you know, inviting around for tea

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<v Speaker 3>and ren rental publim. He was a very guarded private man,

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<v Speaker 3>and so was Jack Hilton. I'm really intrigued by what

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<v Speaker 3>the dynamic between Orwell and Hilton would have been like.

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<v Speaker 3>I think because Orwell was a listener as well. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was really unusual because with Hilton, Orwell was

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<v Speaker 3>in the position of actually having talk, which is enough

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<v Speaker 3>really quick thing about their relationship with it from the

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<v Speaker 3>accounts of their meetings, I think both of them sort

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<v Speaker 3>of had to sort of talk more than either were

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<v Speaker 3>used to with each other, because I Fee would have

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<v Speaker 3>been silenced and black Pudding theilibscot Or. I went to

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<v Speaker 3>support Hilton, a really remarkable he even you know, often

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<v Speaker 3>negotiating on his behalf with Jonathan Cape. He even came

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<v Speaker 3>with Hilton to meet the bearer of bad news from

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<v Speaker 3>the publisher in which you know, Hilton found out that

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<v Speaker 3>he wouldn't be commissioned to write the kinds of books

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<v Speaker 3>but he really wanted to write.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, All would arranged a dinner for Hilton with Veronica Wedgwood,

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<v Speaker 1>a reader for the publisher Jonathan Cape, who had already

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<v Speaker 1>published some of Hilton's work. All Well in Hilton's hope

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<v Speaker 1>was that Wedgwood might be able to secure a three

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<v Speaker 1>book contract for Hilton, which would give him the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of longer term financial stability to be able to leave

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<v Speaker 1>his plastering job and pursue a career in writing. However,

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<v Speaker 1>as Jack mentioned, the tide was to against working class literature,

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<v Speaker 1>with Wedgewood herself writing an internal memo at Jonathan Cape

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<v Speaker 1>saying that quote, the Proletarian novel, in my opinion, is

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<v Speaker 1>finished completely end quote. Before this, however, Hill and also

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<v Speaker 1>experimented with another literary genre, the travelogue.

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<v Speaker 3>One of these sort of other forms of the writing

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<v Speaker 3>that he sort of thought he could play a lot

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<v Speaker 3>with and develop in the same way as he did

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<v Speaker 3>with his pros and Caliba tricks. It was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like the form of a travelogue. I think my second

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<v Speaker 3>favorite of his books is English Ways, is a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of dare I say, satire or sort of. It takes

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<v Speaker 3>the popular format of the travelogue, which is really like

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<v Speaker 3>probably like the most sold books of a time, where

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<v Speaker 3>of these travelogs about like, you know, trips our English countryside,

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<v Speaker 3>quite quaint narrations of these journeys by upper middle class writers.

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<v Speaker 3>And Hilton, you know, took this format and turned it

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<v Speaker 3>exploring the people of these communities and the types of

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<v Speaker 3>people in these certain places. And you know, he was

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<v Speaker 3>the only person who wrote a travelog to start in

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<v Speaker 3>the north of England. All the other start either in

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<v Speaker 1>As Jack mentioned, English Ways is fundamentally satirical in tone,

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<v Speaker 1>but as some have pointed out, Hilton's travelogue seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be a satire specifically directed at George Orwell. The writer

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Kroft argues that English Ways can be read as

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<v Speaker 1>literary scholar Ben Clark points out that while Hilton doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention all Well by name, he does mention quote a

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<v Speaker 1>best seller from a middle class socialist who was at

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<v Speaker 1>particular pains to stress the acuteness of his sense of

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<v Speaker 1>smell and insisted that working men's stank end quote.

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<v Speaker 3>So he wrote English Ways n First seven, ten years later,

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<v Speaker 3>English Ribbon. And they're quite cocky and quite cheeky, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's more of a sort of humor. There's

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<v Speaker 3>certainly less bleakness and tragedy in these texts, but they

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<v Speaker 3>are nonetheless really special for the way that Hilton's found

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<v Speaker 3>his voice, and he is the voice of the same

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<v Speaker 3>Caliban you know of nineteen thirty four, but Caliban after

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<v Speaker 3>Prosperous Ireland, really Caliban or Once. He's got a full

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<v Speaker 3>mastery of himself. Really, and it's really terrible that the

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<v Speaker 3>publishers didn't jump on these books and really back them

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that would have got Hilton a proper

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<v Speaker 3>lifelong literary career, especially because after the refusal to give

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<v Speaker 3>him a kind of contract would guarantee him a good

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<v Speaker 3>quality of life and writing. After that refusal, he sort

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<v Speaker 3>of gave up, and within five years he's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>after English Ribbon. He sort of just gave up on

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of being a full time writer because he

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<v Speaker 3>realized that to do it, to sort of get those

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of contracts where he wouldn't have to go begging

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<v Speaker 3>back after writing each book, where he'd have the sort

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<v Speaker 3>of guarantee of stable work, to do that, he'd have

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<v Speaker 3>to really censor himself in a way, the garbling effects

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<v Speaker 3>of mortgage respectability. He would have to really sort of

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<v Speaker 3>change his tone and write differently, and he never wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to do that. His voice and its routiness. In his

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<v Speaker 3>status as a manual politarian, it's a worker from Rochdale,

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<v Speaker 3>from a north so far outside of London. It was

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<v Speaker 3>more important to him to keep that than to be

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<v Speaker 3>paid for writing more. I guess the word is tasteful,

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<v Speaker 3>more tasteful as an essential more of works that were

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<v Speaker 3>more sort of in keeping with the taste for people

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<v Speaker 3>who held the purse strings, so he chose to stop

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get his writing published. He kept on writing

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<v Speaker 3>throughout his life. Unfortunately, a lot of what he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>This really highlights a common theme in the production of

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<v Speaker 1>working class writing. That is that beyond the struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>find time between long working hours to actually write, and

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<v Speaker 1>even after the struggle to actually get published, is the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle for that work to actually be remembered and valued.

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<v Speaker 1>As Jack mentioned in Part one, Hilton was celebrated by

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<v Speaker 1>as possibly the next d. H. Lawrence. That a working

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<v Speaker 1>class author is appreciated as Hilton could be forced to

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<v Speaker 1>drop out of writing and then fall immediately into almost

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<v Speaker 1>total obscurity really demonstrates just how easy it is to

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<v Speaker 1>lose such authors, and Hilton would have been lost, possibly forever,

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<v Speaker 1>had it not been for Jack's determination, and what, it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be said, was quite an amazing series of

419
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<v Speaker 1>lucky events.

420
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<v Speaker 3>I'd sort of given up on finding anything more I

421
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.640
<v Speaker 3>could about Jack Hilton, So after reading Caliban Shreeks in

422
00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.400
<v Speaker 3>the Working Class Movement, I had been salted. I was

423
00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:47.799
<v Speaker 3>just desperate to find out whatever I could about him

424
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 3>and finish his story, find out what had happened to

425
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.759
<v Speaker 3>this man. You know, after you've taken you through this

426
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.759
<v Speaker 3>psychic tour of his first thirty five years, you just

427
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.319
<v Speaker 3>left with his desperate feeling of money no more. And

428
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<v Speaker 3>so I set about doing things of googling. I even

429
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:05.960
<v Speaker 3>used ash jews. I was desperate. I just I was

430
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:07.519
<v Speaker 3>trying to think of whatever I could to try and

431
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.079
<v Speaker 3>find out whatever I could. I spoke to the librarian

432
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.319
<v Speaker 3>and she only added fuel to this fire. She just

433
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 3>was able to tell me that he'd mysteriously left righting

434
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.240
<v Speaker 3>for reasons, but no one that she knew could really

435
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.799
<v Speaker 3>speak to. I even went on ancestry dot co dot

436
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.400
<v Speaker 3>uk transfer like to find out more about his family,

437
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<v Speaker 3>to see if any of them, would you know, still

438
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 3>be alive, still know anything about what happened to Jack

439
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.920
<v Speaker 3>that you know got me nowhere at all. The last

440
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.839
<v Speaker 3>thing that I could think to do was after finding

441
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:40.039
<v Speaker 3>out that he died in Chaddleton and Oldham in nineteen

442
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 3>eighty fourth and his death or I can't remember if

443
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.119
<v Speaker 3>it was his death stificult. I found some kind of

444
00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.160
<v Speaker 3>proof that he died in Oldham in nineteenth fourt and

445
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.119
<v Speaker 3>so I went as a last ditch effort, I went

446
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:55.200
<v Speaker 3>to what would have been his old locals, I think herself,

447
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.039
<v Speaker 3>with the intention of going to like four pubs. So

448
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.680
<v Speaker 3>I was still standing from when he have lived there

449
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.559
<v Speaker 3>in the late seventies and early eighties. So I went

450
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.319
<v Speaker 3>around these pubs with a poster that I had printed

451
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<v Speaker 3>out that had the only picture I could find of

452
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:14.680
<v Speaker 3>him printed on it in big letters, do you remember

453
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.119
<v Speaker 3>Jack Hilton or something to that effect, And then never

454
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.359
<v Speaker 3>bottom that'll like tear off tassels with my number, asking

455
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 3>people to get in touch of fame. And I had

456
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:26.000
<v Speaker 3>any vague recollections of this man, and it was in

457
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<v Speaker 3>I went around two pubs, put up these posters had

458
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<v Speaker 3>a pine, and you know, I was continuing going down

459
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 3>this bus route towards Chatterton. Then in the third pub

460
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<v Speaker 3>I go in and I start talking. You have the

461
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 3>two pubs before, no one had been ver interested in

462
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.000
<v Speaker 3>what I was doing, so I've been in and out

463
00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:45.200
<v Speaker 3>after the pine. But in the third pub, the last

464
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.079
<v Speaker 3>pound of bar was really interested, and so I started

465
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.559
<v Speaker 3>talking to her about it, and I think she just

466
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 3>thinks I'm a little bit mad. But then from like

467
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.279
<v Speaker 3>the bar's got like columns along it, and from behind

468
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 3>this column so out of side to me but not

469
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 3>to the bar made it was like a woman. It

470
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.599
<v Speaker 3>must have been like in a seventies, late seventies maybe

471
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 3>who I'd been basically just eavesdropping on my conversation with

472
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.599
<v Speaker 3>a bar maid. And she after about like five minutes,

473
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:13.400
<v Speaker 3>she just popped up like sticked to her head forward

474
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.480
<v Speaker 3>so I could see her, and was say, oh, you

475
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 3>know what, love, I think I might know who you

476
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.640
<v Speaker 3>are about. And basically she had only the vague she'd

477
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.680
<v Speaker 3>been drinking in the pub for decades and decades from

478
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 3>the time of Hilton, but she only the vaguest memories

479
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.400
<v Speaker 3>of Jack. But she could tell me a lot about

480
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Jack's best friend, a guy called Brian, who was much

481
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.319
<v Speaker 3>younger than Jack and had gone on drinking the same

482
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 3>pub for you know, about thirty years more. He'd in fact,

483
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.519
<v Speaker 3>only died the year before I went to visit his pub.

484
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 3>He's old local. So she was able to give me

485
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Brian's name and tell me that, you know, he used

486
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 3>to hang around with his kind old man Jack Hilton.

487
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 3>He was dead quiet. He used to come sit in

488
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 3>a pub if there was three of them, she said

489
00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 3>there was Brian, there was another blow whose name she forgot,

490
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.519
<v Speaker 3>and then there's Jack, and we used to just keep

491
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 3>themselves to themselves. But she was able to tell me

492
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Brian's full name. I looked up immediately. I tried to

493
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 3>find anything I could, and an old Yellow Pages had

494
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 3>his address as listed as being just around the corner

495
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 3>from the pub. So I went and a nocton and

496
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I had no response on the knock. So there's no

497
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 3>cars of my drive, So I thought, you know why,

498
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's pissy down the rain, So I felt,

499
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 3>you know what this might be. I got excited, but

500
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 3>probably is not going to lead to anything. But I thought,

501
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I've got these posters with me, and

502
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 3>just pure look, I had a Bira on me, so

503
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 3>I put a note through the door. And one thing

504
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 3>I've said since is, you know, and I never was

505
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 3>the kind of person to carry pen and paper around

506
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.920
<v Speaker 3>with me until that date, but ever since I realized,

507
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 3>you know that basically the rediscovery of Hilton rested on

508
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 3>the fact that I had a Bira on me that day.

509
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 3>I've always carried one with me since, and I'd left

510
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:01.799
<v Speaker 3>my email and my phone number about week later, I

511
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 3>got an email back from a woman called Mary Hassel,

512
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 3>who was Brian's widow, informing me that Brian had passed away,

513
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 3>but that she remembered Jack. Dear old Jack, she called him,

514
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Speaker 3>who used to come over for his tea at her

515
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.279
<v Speaker 3>and Brian's house several times a week, especially after Jack's

516
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 3>wife had died, you know, and he was on his own.

517
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 3>He was sort of like a sorry good grandfather to

518
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 3>her two kids. And so she invited me over for

519
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.960
<v Speaker 3>a couple of tea and some custard tarts. And I

520
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 3>went over, and you know, we talked for hours about Jack.

521
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.240
<v Speaker 3>And as we're talking more and more memories and come back,

522
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, I go around again. We keep talking. I'm recording,

523
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 3>and I'm writing everything I can about about her memories

524
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.279
<v Speaker 3>of Jack, and then we ad one time, she tells

525
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 3>me this story about how when the kids were bored,

526
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.079
<v Speaker 3>he could blow smoke rings. He was he was a chainsmoker,

527
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 3>and he could blow smoke rings with his pipe, which

528
00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, would would do the trick most of the

529
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 3>time to instant the kids, but if they were being

530
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 3>particularly rowdy, Hilton had another part of trick up his sleeves,

531
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 3>which was that he could blow smoke through his ears.

532
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 3>And I at first when Mary told me this, I

533
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 3>was just like, what are you sure, because I've never

534
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 3>heard of this before in my life. And I looked

535
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 3>into I actually got in touch with a friend of

536
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 3>mine who's the GP the strangest request for medical advice

537
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 3>I think this mate of mine's ever received in his life.

538
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 3>I was like, would he ever be possible for someone

539
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 3>to blow smoke through their ears? And he told me, yeah,

540
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 3>but only if you've had severe damage to your ears.

541
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 3>The kind of damage that could in the case of Hilton,

542
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 3>it could have come from the mill machinery when he

543
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.039
<v Speaker 3>was eleven working with cotton mill in Rochdale, could have

544
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 3>come from the trenches, could have even come from like

545
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 3>breaking rocks in the poorhouses in the nineteen twenties. So

546
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 3>this was, you know, one of the tricks he would

547
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 3>do to keep the kids of used.

548
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>The fact that Hilton could take what were likely perforated

549
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 1>ear drums that he'd gotten from one or another of

550
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the traumatic experience is that he'd lived through and used

551
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>them for the entertainment of others, is in a way

552
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>a miniature version of what he did with Caliban Shrieks.

553
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Mary also told Jack about Hilton's pet buddy, which in

554
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 1>its own way led indirectly to the republishing of Caliban Shrieks.

555
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 3>When he passed away, as his best mate Brian you know,

556
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 3>was at his death bed and Brian and Mary took

557
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 3>on agreed to take on the sort of efforts of

558
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 3>like organizing funeral and clearing out his flat, and they

559
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 3>also decided to adopt Hilton's budgy. They brought it into

560
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 3>their house and within a day or so the budgy

561
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>was at death's door and then it just died. And

562
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 3>now for the reason, according to the vet Mary Tolby

563
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.200
<v Speaker 3>that had just passed away after Jack's death, it was

564
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 3>suffering from nicotine a straw because he was such a

565
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.000
<v Speaker 3>heavy smoker and the budget had been just used to

566
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 3>being absolutely just hot boxed with nicotoon all of his

567
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 3>waking life. But you know, without it was such a

568
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 3>stress on its little anatomy it packed itself in. But

569
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 3>that made me think, what else had Brian and Mary

570
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 3>been left by Jack Kilton? And so using information from Mary,

571
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 3>I was able to check down his probate and the

572
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.880
<v Speaker 3>probate was he was small he didn't. He had very

573
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 3>little when he died, he'd left most of it to Mary.

574
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.720
<v Speaker 3>And you know, as you get with probates, at the

575
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 3>end of it, you have a clause where it's like

576
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and anything not named in this last interestament goes to,

577
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 3>and in this case the everything else goes to. The

578
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 3>clause was to Brian. So, without ever knowing that Jack

579
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.440
<v Speaker 3>had been a writer, Brian hassell is mate inherited all

580
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 3>of the literary rights to his collected works. And then Mary,

581
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>again without ever knowing that that Brian had had the

582
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 3>rights to Jack's work or that Jack had ever been

583
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 3>a writer, then inherited the author's rights to his writings

584
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 3>when Brian passed away. And so after realizing this, I

585
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 3>told Mary about it and said, you know, but this

586
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 3>is fantastic because this means that we can get Hilton

587
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.559
<v Speaker 3>back in print potentially, you know, if we can make

588
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 3>the case to publish it and get someone interested. At

589
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 3>that point I thought, you know, the best case scenariould

590
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.200
<v Speaker 3>be getting a small independent publisher to maybe do a

591
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 3>small run of of you know, a few hundred or something,

592
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>or potentially, you know, if that wasn't possible, we could

593
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 3>maybe raise some money to get some copies self published.

594
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.119
<v Speaker 3>So I had no idea that it would ever end

595
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 3>up with a publisher of the world's largest literary publisher, Penguin,

596
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 3>and Mary was thrilled. But she said, you know what, Jack,

597
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 3>it sounds like a lot of work, and it kind

598
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 3>of worked that really it should be for you to do.

599
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 3>And so she said, you know, I don't know how

600
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 3>to do this exactly, but I'll sign over whatever these

601
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 3>rights are to you on the provisor that you do

602
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.200
<v Speaker 3>your utmost to get Hilton back in print. And that's

603
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 3>what happened. We ended up looking up, you know, how

604
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 3>to do this and found a Google template for we

605
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 3>had to look up what exactly a literary right was

606
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 3>and look up how to do like transfers and stuff

607
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 3>like that and it, and then I ended up with

608
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 3>the rights. And then I started to turn the story

609
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 3>of my discovery of Hilton and my feelings about what

610
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I found, and then the story of finding Mary and

611
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 3>reminiscing about Drack. I started to turn that into an

612
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 3>article for a small independent Manchester based magazine called The Mill.

613
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 3>But then when it was eventually published a few mouths

614
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 3>after I first met Mary, had the most amazing response

615
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 3>and became one of the outlets best reads ever pieces

616
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 3>and it caught the ear or the eyes rather of

617
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 3>people working at various media outlets. So within a couple

618
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 3>of months of that, I was on Times Radio, BBC

619
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 3>six Music, even you know, it was in national print

620
00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 3>of The Independent, the Guardian, and then it all culminated

621
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 3>in being invited for a segment on BBC front Row. Now,

622
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 3>of all the people listening to that segment, there was

623
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:14.599
<v Speaker 3>one bloke, Nick, who was publishing director of a vintage

624
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 3>classics and imprint of Penguin Books, and he was listening

625
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>to this segment at fifteen minute long segment waiting for

626
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.599
<v Speaker 3>the good news at the end to be and so

627
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<v Speaker 3>Hilton's Caliban Troocks will be republished with you know, ex publisher.

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<v Speaker 3>But by that point I had no idea how to

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<v Speaker 3>approach publishers, and I had no idea what it would

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<v Speaker 3>take to get a book back in print, and so

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<v Speaker 3>there was no deal done. So Nick was listening to

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<v Speaker 3>this segment on front Row waiting for the good news

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<v Speaker 3>story and then to reasa to disbelief there was no

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<v Speaker 3>and then the book will be brought back out with

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<v Speaker 3>brother you know in so and so time period. So

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<v Speaker 3>he found me on Twitter and he sent me a

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<v Speaker 3>direct message and then we had a conversation on the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>He was on paternity to leave, so he ducked out

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<v Speaker 3>of paternitally to basically say, you know, let's go ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>let's try to get this bought out with Vintage. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's what happened. Within a few months, it was all agreed,

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<v Speaker 3>and then about a year and a half later, here

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<v Speaker 3>we are with the book out and with a response

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<v Speaker 3>to its publication that I could never have ever imagined.

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<v Speaker 3>It became for number one seller for Vintage and entered

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<v Speaker 3>the top one hundreds on Amazon and has sold incredibly well.

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<v Speaker 3>It cleared ten thousand copies. I don't think Hilton could

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<v Speaker 3>ever imagined. I don't exactly know how many were printed

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<v Speaker 3>in the thirties, but my suspicion is that it was only,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in the hundreds. So to say that his

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<v Speaker 3>legacy is exploded now, you know, ninety years after the

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<v Speaker 3>book was first published, as an understatement.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, then Jack Hilton is getting the recognition he so

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<v Speaker 1>richly deserves. But as Jack points out, well Hilton absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>should be remembered for the excellent writing that he left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>His legacy also needs to be thought of in relation

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<v Speaker 1>to his trade union activity outside of his writing.

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<v Speaker 3>He never saw himself as a writer, and he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He just he loved the work of plastering so much,

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<v Speaker 3>and he loved due by this point after the war,

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was a decent pay he got from plastering.

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<v Speaker 3>It was enough to have quite a decent life by

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<v Speaker 3>his standards at least, so he kept to it. And

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<v Speaker 3>he loved the union work. He loved the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>this craft gave him an opportunity to better the lives

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<v Speaker 3>of working class people through the strengthening of the establishment

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<v Speaker 3>of union in the Northwest. You know, we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>the legacy of Jack Hilton, and I think if you

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<v Speaker 3>were to talk to Jack Hilton about his legacy for him,

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<v Speaker 3>this sort of new look at his books which were

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<v Speaker 3>never popular back in the first and force we're never

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<v Speaker 3>that well read. The credit that he's been given now

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<v Speaker 3>and the celebration of him now is an important part

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<v Speaker 3>of his legacy. Bought no less important to me, or

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<v Speaker 3>to him or to the people. But his life touched

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<v Speaker 3>is his work in the trade union movement and the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that you know, he was a plasterer who was

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<v Speaker 3>proud of his work. He founded the Rochdale Bruanch of

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<v Speaker 3>the Plasters Union and was its first president, and I

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<v Speaker 3>believe potentially also this branch was you know, integral to

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<v Speaker 3>forming the wider sort of Lancastrian chapter of the Plasters Union.

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<v Speaker 3>And Hilton was involved in and senior in the regional

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<v Speaker 3>sort of union structure in Torbet think that nineteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was proud of not only of the work

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<v Speaker 3>that he did as a plaster and the buildings that

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<v Speaker 3>he beautified and the you know, the frescoes and stuccos

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<v Speaker 3>that he was able to do in these big houses

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<v Speaker 3>across Greater Manchester, but he's also proud of the fact that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he'd be passed on not only of these

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<v Speaker 3>skills to younger workers, but he also founded these branches

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<v Speaker 3>that won't better lives for our members. And if he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to look for a material legacy for Jack Hilton,

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<v Speaker 3>it is in the better life space is union brunches

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<v Speaker 3>left for his workers, and that's just as important a

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<v Speaker 3>legacy as his writing The luck Out.

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<v Speaker 2>The luck Out, They luck Out, Dody.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this double episode. On the life and

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<v Speaker 1>work of working class author Jack Hilton. We also have

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<v Speaker 1>a bonus episode where our interviewee, Jack Chadwick reads and

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<v Speaker 1>discusses more passages from Caliban Shrieks. That bonus episode will

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<v Speaker 1>be available soon exclusively for our supporters on Patreon. It

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