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Speaker 5: Unfortunately this week my partner in crime JJ Vance, not
Speaker 5: jd Vance to be confused with him. Neither one of
Speaker 5: them will be joining us tonight. But fortunately, lucky me,
Speaker 5: I was able to grab some people to come on
Speaker 5: with me and try to make this a worthy episode
Speaker 5: without JJ here.
Speaker 2: So I got the man scientist herself.
Speaker 5: Lisa from the Cult Rejects. Thank you very much, Lisa,
Speaker 5: it's good to have you here. And I got my boy,
Speaker 5: Catalyst Jones kind of like co hosting with us tonight
Speaker 5: from White Rabbit Podcast. Real Quick, Catalyst, you want to
Speaker 5: let everybody know what your deal is and where they
Speaker 5: can find you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm just your average guy that had questions
Speaker 1: and started digging into things and wanted to speak out
Speaker 1: about it. So you can find me on all of
Speaker 1: your usual suspects.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: And for tonight the guest of honor, backed by popular demand,
Speaker 5: we got Julia Cosmic Peach Podcast. Please Julia, introduce yourself
Speaker 5: for the people who me and I know who you are,
Speaker 5: and let every know where they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I'm excited to be back. I love
Speaker 3: coming on your show. I'm Julia, I host Cosmic Peach
Speaker 3: Podcast is wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think you know. I started actually podcasting because I
Speaker 3: read a lot of books and wanted to talk to
Speaker 3: people about them because people don't like to read books anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's the first thing that we covered with Program
Speaker 3: to Kill. And then I read a book about Marilyn
Speaker 3: and we've covered that already and actually what we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about today you can find in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: And also I just did a bunch of like research
Speaker 3: on this after I read about this guy and I
Speaker 3: think Lisa has Actually it was in the news or
Speaker 3: something like that, and you were familiar with it. Two,
Speaker 3: So I'm actually really excited to get into it today.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, no, I guess I was very excited and
Speaker 5: I know Lisa really wanted you to come on for
Speaker 5: this topic as well. And again, just just to make
Speaker 5: it clear, you did say you got this from the
Speaker 5: Program to Kill book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And what I love the most about that
Speaker 3: book is because he puts all of his references in
Speaker 3: the back of the book, and there's pages and pages
Speaker 3: of references. And when I do a podcast, I like
Speaker 3: to try to give people some type of place where
Speaker 3: they can go and fact check me if they want to.
Speaker 3: And so, if you want more information about what we're
Speaker 3: talking about tonight, it's actually chapter nine of Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: It's called Rancho Diablo. So fucking fact check me, assholes.
Speaker 3: Look it up, right, yeah, which is also why when
Speaker 3: we did the Marilyn episode, I mentioned at the end
Speaker 3: of the episode, this is the book. Go read it
Speaker 3: for yourself. I'm not making any of this stuff up.
Speaker 3: It's very easy to find, and I just wanted to
Speaker 3: just oh, yeah, no, no, I mean, but I do
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes, you know, you listen to a podcast
Speaker 3: and in the back of your mind, you're like, is
Speaker 3: that even real? Was does she even know what she's
Speaker 3: talking about? I've never heard that before. And I like
Speaker 3: to list my sites, you know, in case somebody wants
Speaker 3: to go back and fact checked me or whatever. But
Speaker 3: we're actually gonna gek its.
Speaker 1: What I love about your show, Julia. I love about
Speaker 1: your shows. You always bring your receipts right, so you
Speaker 1: say how you came to your conclusion, but yet you
Speaker 1: also come to conclusions that normally people would overlook or
Speaker 1: not not come to, because you're one of those people
Speaker 1: that connects dots that get overlooked on the norm. And
Speaker 1: I would like to congratulate you for that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I'm glad you noticed that. And I
Speaker 3: actually Lisa was the one who asked, I think if
Speaker 3: if I could cover this today because I mentioned names,
Speaker 3: and I mentioned like little fragments of stuff, and I
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes you know you hear it and it's
Speaker 3: like in one ear and out the other. But she
Speaker 3: picked up on this guy and it's, like I said before,
Speaker 3: he's his own episode. He might actually be two episodes
Speaker 3: worth of crazy. And his name is Adolpho Constanzo. I
Speaker 3: don't know, Catalyst, if you had ever heard of this guy,
Speaker 3: but he is a whole fucking I mean, I like
Speaker 3: to call him a Dolpho cunt Stanzo, but he is
Speaker 3: just the weirdest guy, the cult leader, and you know,
Speaker 3: he was a Mexican drug lord that was believed to
Speaker 3: have supernatural powers. Actually, and so Lisa, I don't before
Speaker 3: I get on my soapbox, I actually wanted to ask
Speaker 3: you what your background is on Adolpho.
Speaker 4: So I listened to I was listening to your PTK
Speaker 4: series and you had briefly mentioned his name on I
Speaker 4: think the first episode that you covered PTK and just
Speaker 4: in passing and when you said his name, I remember
Speaker 4: I was standing in the bathrooms in my makeup and
Speaker 4: I was like, I like stared at the phone. I
Speaker 4: was like, don't tell me that guy's in that book.
Speaker 4: Because so growing up, I grew up in Texas, South Texas,
Speaker 4: to be exact. And one of the popular things here
Speaker 4: to do in spring break is to go to the
Speaker 4: island Padre Island, right and it gets so packed with
Speaker 4: so many people. Everybody from New York, Pennsylvania, California, everybody
Speaker 4: comes down here to come to the island during spring break.
Speaker 4: It's a big deal, specifically South Padre. And so South
Speaker 4: Padre is literally right at the cusp of the Mexican border,
Speaker 4: and one of the famous things to do or one
Speaker 4: of the most fun things to do was to cross
Speaker 4: into Renosa or Progresso or Matamotos, depending where you're at
Speaker 4: right Mata Mootas is going to be the area that's
Speaker 4: the closest to South Padre Island, and so what people
Speaker 4: would do is that they would go party all day
Speaker 4: at the island, and then in the evenings they just
Speaker 4: basically walk over into Matamotos and get drunk and do
Speaker 4: all what kinds of whatever. I think in Mexico at
Speaker 4: the time, and I think it's still the way there was.
Speaker 4: The legal age was eighteen, but I don't think they
Speaker 4: really checked or whatever, and you keep drinking all day
Speaker 4: and all night and whatever, and it was a fun
Speaker 4: thing for people to do. And then you started to
Speaker 4: hear on the news that people were going missing and
Speaker 4: then that there was a search, and then they would
Speaker 4: announce do not go into Mexico. If you're going to
Speaker 4: go to the island, stay on the stay on the
Speaker 4: US side, do not go into Mexico. And then it
Speaker 4: came about that there was I think a ut student
Speaker 4: which University of Texas went missing, and then I believe
Speaker 4: there was a huge investigation down into Matamoros and that
Speaker 4: they had uncovered several bodies and that from what I
Speaker 4: had heard, and of course the news didn't cover this,
Speaker 4: was that they were bodies that were mutilated. They were
Speaker 4: all kinds of like remnants of ritual sacrifice of some
Speaker 4: sort death cold, satan cold, whatever, and it was really
Speaker 4: really bad, and that it wasn't just one person that
Speaker 4: they found, but they at the time they had said
Speaker 4: it was five, but there was many others that they
Speaker 4: had found in other I guess sites or burial sites,
Speaker 4: and that there was a house and that there was
Speaker 4: body parts and a cauldron and stuff like that. And
Speaker 4: so you started to hear all these things. You don't
Speaker 4: know what's true, right because it's on the other side
Speaker 4: and this is what's being told and the news really
Speaker 4: isn't covering, but they're telling you not to go down there.
Speaker 4: But then whenever it kind of blew up, this name
Speaker 4: starts coming out and you start to hear it all
Speaker 4: over the place. You're like, oh, my god, that was
Speaker 4: the guy that was back then when they were telling
Speaker 4: us not to go into Mexico. So that was my
Speaker 4: background with that. So when you said the name, I
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 3: No, dude, And it's crazy because he's mentioned in Programmed
Speaker 3: to Kill, but he also got his own episode on
Speaker 3: Ancient Aliens. Like there's so many ways that you can
Speaker 3: cover this guy. Like it's just bizarre, it's otherworldly what
Speaker 3: was going on there. And I think that actually the
Speaker 3: way that they portrayed it in the news was like
Speaker 3: a lot of the serial killers and stuff. How they
Speaker 3: it was nineteen eighty nine, by the way, in Mexico,
Speaker 3: they started searching for a missing college student and then
Speaker 3: they found this ranch. It was called uh Santa Elena Ranch,
Speaker 3: and so the missing college student that they were looking for.
Speaker 3: His name was Mark Kilroy. It was a dude. He
Speaker 3: was twenty one years old. Party in like Lisa mentioned,
Speaker 3: it was like a party spot. And then they go
Speaker 3: looking for him and they come across this ranch and
Speaker 3: they find twelve bodies at first, and some of them
Speaker 3: have been shot, some of them have been hacked up
Speaker 3: with a machete. One of the graves did have Mark
Speaker 3: Kilroy's body in it, so he was abducted. They did
Speaker 3: murder him. A lot of them had like their spines
Speaker 3: ripped out and made into necklaces and other ceremonial type
Speaker 3: of jewelry. Some of them had been skinned alive, some
Speaker 3: of them had been buried alive. But the weird thing
Speaker 3: about him is that Adolfo's followers wholeheartedly believed that he
Speaker 3: had supernatural powers. And so this is what gets him
Speaker 3: on Ancient Aliens because a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 3: he was doing and saying, and a lot of the
Speaker 3: stuff that people saw him doing was actually what they
Speaker 3: considered to be supernatural in nature. And they don't talk
Speaker 3: about this aspect in Program to Kill. He more talks
Speaker 3: about like the political side of things, because they made
Speaker 3: it appear in the news that this was random acts
Speaker 3: of violence, that this guy was just a crazy Satanist
Speaker 3: guy and he was just abducting random people and just
Speaker 3: fucking them up and burying them all over his property.
Speaker 3: But it actually turns out that a lot of the
Speaker 3: people that they found it wasn't random at all. And
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna kind of get into that too, but
Speaker 3: it's said in total they found forty plus bodies on
Speaker 3: the property. So the news didn't even really want to
Speaker 3: report that. At first. It was like, oh, they found
Speaker 3: a couple bodies, and then it was like, okay, we
Speaker 3: found twelve graves, and then by the end of it,
Speaker 3: they were like, okay, there's probably forty plus victims that
Speaker 3: have been buried at this ranch. And he was practicing
Speaker 3: something called palo sorcery. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 3: are familiar with that at all. Holomiamba is it's also
Speaker 3: referred to and so it incorporates traditions and gods from
Speaker 3: West African religions actually, and Adolfo claimed that he was
Speaker 3: in communication with a god named Kadium Pimbe I think
Speaker 3: is how you pronounce it. And this god is also
Speaker 3: known as issue E Shu. And this is something that
Speaker 3: I had never heard before, and it was mentioned actually
Speaker 3: in the Ancient Aliens. And it was funny because sometimes
Speaker 3: I'll just watch Ancient Aliens to like go to sleep
Speaker 3: because it, first of all, it's a lot of propaganda stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I'm going to clean the house and
Speaker 3: like fucking wash dishes and shit. I'll put on Ancient
Speaker 3: Aliens in the background or whatever, and.
Speaker 1: So surprised how much truth they sprinkle in there, though,
Speaker 1: Like if you take out did you check out Aliens?
Speaker 1: If you take out Aliens and outer space and replace
Speaker 1: it with Nephelum and outer space it all makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Like if you just swap out the the
Speaker 3: ets for like ancient gods and like black magic sorcery shit,
Speaker 3: it makes a ton of sense. But so it was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. A couple months ago, I had turned
Speaker 3: on Ancient Aliens and they were like Adolfo Constanzo, and
Speaker 3: I was like, it's a motherfucker in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: I was like, how the fuck is he an Ancient
Speaker 3: Aliens episode? But so it's because his followers and he
Speaker 3: said that he was in direct communication with this cootium
Speaker 3: Pimbe and that he was practicing palo sorcery. And when
Speaker 3: you look at this guy, he has like the big
Speaker 3: elongated eyes and the big skull and shit. And they
Speaker 3: say that he was worshiping some type of god that
Speaker 3: would have been like Aconoate and in ancient Egypt with
Speaker 3: the big elongated skull and shit. And some say that
Speaker 3: he was into like this fallen angel type of god
Speaker 3: king worship. And so he gets his own episode on
Speaker 3: Ancient Aliens and I look into this shit because I'm interested,
Speaker 3: and it's actually a shape shifter god. And you know
Speaker 3: how they love to talk about shape shifters and all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and they'll actually sensationalize this stuff because if
Speaker 3: they can get you to look at just the black
Speaker 3: magic aspect of these murders, then they don't have to
Speaker 3: explain any of the inconsistencies with like who they were
Speaker 3: murdering and like what who was running the cult and
Speaker 3: some shit like that. And I actually, just for those
Speaker 3: of you who are familiar, have you guys watched American
Speaker 3: Horror Story season Covin.
Speaker 2: No, it's.
Speaker 4: Not that season.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite season. It's the one about the witches
Speaker 3: in New Orleans and really, Nick, it's the best season
Speaker 3: in my opinion for some of the more conspiracy type stuff.
Speaker 3: But they have like a god in that season that
Speaker 3: the witches kind of work with, and his name is
Speaker 3: Papa Legba. But he's based off this god that Adolfo
Speaker 3: Constansa actually worshiping. So it it to me it just
Speaker 3: seemed a little interesting. Yeah, they say, like this god,
Speaker 3: this Kattiam, Pimbe, issue, Papa Legba, they all represent like
Speaker 3: the same archetype, if you will, And they say that
Speaker 3: actually this this one deity that Adolpho was worshiping, like
Speaker 3: to speak to people through dogs, and they actually connected
Speaker 3: that with David Berkowitz because they said he would get
Speaker 3: his messages through dogs and stuff like that, and David
Speaker 3: Berkowitz comes up a lot in Program to Kill. So
Speaker 3: I think that there is a duality to everything. I
Speaker 3: think that there is a spiritual duality and also like
Speaker 3: a governmental kind of I don't think that those two
Speaker 3: things have to be separate. I think that they're very
Speaker 3: much enmeshed with each other. So yeah, I do. When
Speaker 3: I look at this case, I do see a lot
Speaker 3: of like how ancient Aliens was trying to depict it
Speaker 3: and being like a spiritual thing with black magic. But
Speaker 3: I also look at it from the perspective that David
Speaker 3: McGowan was writing about in Program to Kill, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's spiritual. But also like, look at the type of
Speaker 3: people that they were abducting. They're all like ex police
Speaker 3: officers in like DEA agents and FBI agents, Like this
Speaker 3: isn't random, They're they're choosing their victims very specifically and
Speaker 3: kind of like what we were talking about in our
Speaker 3: Maryland episode. Adolpho was arrested in August, and there is
Speaker 3: a lot of eights that are around Adolpho they say
Speaker 3: that he had only killed eight victims. It turned out
Speaker 3: to be a lot more, but that's the first number
Speaker 3: they came out with, and then he was arrested in August,
Speaker 3: so there was like a double eight there. Here's huh, dude.
Speaker 3: I think that the eight is super significant when you
Speaker 3: see it popping up like and specifically with stuff like
Speaker 3: this too. It's just weird.
Speaker 1: But well, in occultism, it is in reference to the infinity, right,
Speaker 1: the magician too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, and he is a magician of sorts, right, so.
Speaker 4: Eight even that you get like, h and you know,
Speaker 4: we talked about this later, but he is looking at
Speaker 4: some of the stuff. I believe. One of the claims
Speaker 4: was that the Padrino that he studied under adult fool
Speaker 4: did as a kid, that he locked him in with
Speaker 4: that deity, the one that you just mentioned, that he
Speaker 4: performed all these rituals in order to bind him to
Speaker 4: that deity, and he was the one that like I
Speaker 4: think when he was and even the way he was
Speaker 4: born to and you covered this so well, the way
Speaker 4: he was born is just very questionable, but that that
Speaker 4: priest basically said, this child is chosen, He's the one
Speaker 4: He's going to be powerful, like it's just all this
Speaker 4: like I don't know, Well.
Speaker 3: It reminds me because a lot of these Satanists are generational, right,
Speaker 3: And so I talked about it with Henry Lee Lucas
Speaker 3: and Otis Tool in the Program to Kill episode where
Speaker 3: they said that their parents, their mothers, dressed them as
Speaker 3: girls and they were kind of like involved in generational Satanism.
Speaker 3: And Adolpho was born into generational Satanism. His mother was
Speaker 3: something of a high priestess and he worked with this
Speaker 3: other guy, I think it was in Puerto Rico, who,
Speaker 3: like you said, kind of blessed him and was he
Speaker 3: was under this guy's like tutelage or whatever, trying to
Speaker 3: become a master fucking Satanist. And I'll look at this
Speaker 3: eighty eight piano keys, look at all of that shit,
Speaker 3: the Dolorean. Oh yeah, I gun it to eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Fucking I love the future. I think it's actually got
Speaker 3: a lot of conspiracy stuff in it. But anyways, here's
Speaker 3: the kicker, because you can't separate the Satanism from the
Speaker 3: governmental stuff. Because he served in the United States Army
Speaker 3: in the sixties, just like a lot of our serial killers,
Speaker 3: and he claims that while he was in the army,
Speaker 3: he had been initiated into a violent Satanic cult that
Speaker 3: orchestrated these incidents as part of a ritual murder, just
Speaker 3: like Henry Lee Lucas said, and otis tool. But on
Speaker 3: top of that, like BTK, the Zodiac Killer, Jack the Ripper,
Speaker 3: and Adolpho Constanzo, they all end up writing letters to
Speaker 3: the police. And it's almost like there's this interesting connection
Speaker 3: between uh, programmed serial killers. I'm including Adolpho in that,
Speaker 3: and the police and or military style shit. And it's
Speaker 3: just interesting to me that there's this aspect of him
Speaker 3: writing letters to the police. They could have known about
Speaker 3: this guy and stopped him a long time ago, but
Speaker 3: they didn't, just like the Zodiac, just like BTK, just
Speaker 3: like Jack the Ripper took it takes them forever if
Speaker 3: they even find out who this who these people are.
Speaker 3: They never fucking find found out who Jack the Ripper
Speaker 3: or the Zodiac was. But here's all these letters right
Speaker 3: written to the police. And so I do think that
Speaker 3: he's saying that he's basically like a government employee. He
Speaker 3: was in the military. He does have this background of
Speaker 3: being a Satanist. He was born into generational Satanism because
Speaker 3: his mother was fucking batshit crazy. But I think it's
Speaker 3: safe to say like he's a lot like the other
Speaker 3: cast of characters with the ritualism and the governmental stuff
Speaker 3: and being protected from on high because one of the
Speaker 3: more compelling aspects of Henry Lee Lucas's story was his
Speaker 3: contention that he had ties to cult run ranches that
Speaker 3: were just south of the US border, Okay, and then boom,
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, in nineteen eighty nine, this ranch, Adolpho's Ranch,
Speaker 3: was discovered just south of Brownsville, Texas, Okay, and Adolpho
Speaker 3: is saying he was inducted into a military Satanic cult,
Speaker 3: just like Henry Lee Lucas said he was. And I
Speaker 3: don't think that that is a coincidence. Henry Lee Lucas
Speaker 3: is saying there are cult run ranches that are inducting
Speaker 3: people to become almost like cult leaders, and they're murdering
Speaker 3: a bunch of people, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: we find Adolpho's ranch, and it matches the exact description
Speaker 3: that Henry Lee Lucas took a map and he said
Speaker 3: he marked a next and he said, there's a ranch
Speaker 3: right here, there's a ranch right here, You'll find dead
Speaker 3: bodies all over the place. And they were like, Okay,
Speaker 3: Henry fucking made a net Flakes documentary saying, oh, Henry
Speaker 3: the confession killer couldn't possibly have been he couldn't possibly
Speaker 3: have known all this stuff. But yet somehow he was
Speaker 3: able to lead them right to these fucking ranches where
Speaker 3: all these dead people were. And more than half of
Speaker 3: Adolpho's cult members and priestesses were from Brownsville, Texas. They
Speaker 3: weren't uh Mexican, and you know a lot of people
Speaker 3: say that, oh, well, they were just crazy Mexican people,
Speaker 3: and they were all part of They were from Brownsville, Texas.
Speaker 3: And most of them went to Southmost Texas College and
Speaker 3: were majoring in law enforcement, so they were Americans. They
Speaker 3: were educated. I don't know how the fuck they got
Speaker 3: involved in that, But here they show up Adolpho's fucking
Speaker 3: compound in the middle of fucking Mexico, murdering people and
Speaker 3: burying them alive, and shit, I mean, it's.
Speaker 1: Just do you think they do you think that they
Speaker 1: were possibly clockwork ultred?
Speaker 3: I do I think that they were, because here's the thing, right.
Speaker 1: But specifically sent out there though, to be underneath him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot like Charles Manson, that these
Speaker 3: family members weren't chosen at random. And I actually have
Speaker 3: a quote right here in my notes that I'm gonna
Speaker 3: read you guys, because Adolpho was described as quote a
Speaker 3: thoroughly ruthless and benevolent genius with a messianic ability to
Speaker 3: command the loyalty and blind obedience of his followers who
Speaker 3: joined him. The followers were in a zombie like state
Speaker 3: with a loathsome blood feast of dope, dealing torture, terror,
Speaker 3: and human sacrifice, quote unquote, which is exactly how they
Speaker 3: described Manson and his family members as being in a
Speaker 3: zombie like and what the dope dealing terror, torture and
Speaker 3: human sacrifice. That's it. Just it literally sounds like he's
Speaker 3: like Manson two point zero and he he's got these
Speaker 3: people out there doing god knows what. They probably fucked
Speaker 3: with their minds enough to send them over to him,
Speaker 3: and he just kind of like ran some kind of program.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, it was definitely curated for them to
Speaker 1: be there.
Speaker 3: And it's like his mom somehow was also involved in
Speaker 3: this too, because she was arrested, like thirty something times,
Speaker 3: and the charges never seemed to stick with her, Like
Speaker 3: she literally could do all kinds of weird stuff, and
Speaker 3: she always like got some kind of a short probation
Speaker 3: or something like she was arrested over thirty times, and
Speaker 3: the most she ever got was like a short probation.
Speaker 1: And we're you know, we always hear that. It's just right.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Charley escaping from prison twice, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It just it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And they found Adolfo's mom living in a vacant, dilapidated
Speaker 3: apartment building that was smeared with human shit and human
Speaker 3: blood and urine, and she was charged with trespassing and
Speaker 3: child neglect, and that didn't even stick to her, Like
Speaker 3: tell me how you they find you in an abandoned
Speaker 3: apartment building covered with human shit and piss and blood
Speaker 3: with children, and you don't serve any jail time whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I mean, thirty times this woman is arrested, she gets
Speaker 3: off the hook Scott free, right, And in my opinion,
Speaker 3: it just shows that this is part of like a
Speaker 3: generational programming. It's like Lisa said, from the second this
Speaker 3: guy is born, they're doing rituals on him and shit,
Speaker 3: he's the chosen one. They've got him training under some
Speaker 3: kind of a priest guy. And and you know, his
Speaker 3: mom never goes to jail. She pretty much can do
Speaker 3: whatever she wants and get away with it. And apparently
Speaker 3: Adolpho too. I mean, he's got forty plus bodies buried
Speaker 3: all over his compound doing rituals and shit. And it
Speaker 3: took years for them to find this guy, even with
Speaker 3: Henry Lee Lucas putting his compound out on a map
Speaker 3: and going, look here, go check this place. It's a
Speaker 3: fucking satanic cult and they're murdering people.
Speaker 1: Okay, Henry, it's because their governmental science experiments and they
Speaker 1: want to see what is going to happen, so they
Speaker 1: allow this to happen and they keep it perpetuating.
Speaker 3: Right, And so in this this part is crazy to
Speaker 3: me because it's not like after they bust these guys,
Speaker 3: like it all just goes away and we don't see
Speaker 3: more of it. Because I feel like it's an archetype
Speaker 3: and that they just use different people in these roles
Speaker 3: throughout time. And Adolpho will something of a Marina Abramovich
Speaker 3: for the eighties, and he actually moved to Mexico City
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty four and he became a psychic to
Speaker 3: the stars, and all of his friends were super famous celebrities, politicians.
Speaker 3: He lived in extremely extravagant lifestyle and he did all
Speaker 3: this spirit cooking and shit with them, and he was
Speaker 3: the psychic to the stars like Marina.
Speaker 4: And he also, I believe, was like also recruited by
Speaker 4: like the equivalent of our FBI director down in Mexico,
Speaker 4: Like he was asking him and paying him off, either
Speaker 4: to find stuff or to prevent people from getting caught,
Speaker 4: but it was always some sort of manipulation whatsoever. Then
Speaker 4: you also had him very associated with a lot of
Speaker 4: the cartels heads, like the actual main people in charge
Speaker 4: and like asking for pay King Jumia Solid, you know,
Speaker 4: mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Well, and see that's that's the part that gets me
Speaker 3: is they don't never mention that. In the Ancient Aliens episode, right,
Speaker 3: it's all about the sorcery aspect of it, and oh
Speaker 3: he's communicating with extra suck my dick, Like there's so
Speaker 3: much more going on, and they try to turn it
Speaker 3: all into like it's gotta be Aliens. Tell me where
Speaker 3: the Aliens fits into, Like it doesn't. It doesn't fit.
Speaker 4: It doesn't fit. But I do know that I think
Speaker 4: with his mom, his mom and then the priest that
Speaker 4: that I think did his indoctrination, which I think is
Speaker 4: totally suspect because so he's he's a priest that says
Speaker 4: he's the chosen one, he's the neo, right, and then
Speaker 4: and then somehow he goes to stay with him and
Speaker 4: basically learn under him, and then he sends him to
Speaker 4: Mexico and provides him contacts. So how does this random
Speaker 4: pre in Miami of this like you know, backwoods type
Speaker 4: religion have all these contacts to all these people in Mexico.
Speaker 3: To him. Oh and that was literally he's just ridiculous that.
Speaker 4: He was able to Astro Project. That's where that camps in.
Speaker 4: He was able to Astro Project and be able to
Speaker 4: tell you things that no one else could tell you.
Speaker 4: But they were saying that potentially he had intel on
Speaker 4: the people that he was catering to, whether it was
Speaker 4: drug cartels, whether it's you know the equivalent of their
Speaker 4: FBI or whatever, and therefore was providing them stuff in
Speaker 4: order to convince them of stuff in order to get
Speaker 4: in with them.
Speaker 3: Well, see that That makes more sense to me than
Speaker 3: him actually even having supernatural powers. Is like he's got
Speaker 3: all these politicians and cartel people and celebrities, and he's
Speaker 3: all friends with them, and somehow he's able to predict
Speaker 3: their future and shit like that, know things that he
Speaker 3: shouldn't know. Well, yeah, you could look at it and say,
Speaker 3: there's an aspect that could be supernatural because he is
Speaker 3: practicing like dark sorcery and shit like that, or he
Speaker 3: has all these like high up connections and they're feeding
Speaker 3: him information the same way that they were feeding Henry
Speaker 3: Lee Lucas information because they would say, like, there's no
Speaker 3: way he could have killed these two people because he
Speaker 3: would have had been in two places at one time.
Speaker 3: But somehow he knows intimate details about the crime scene
Speaker 3: that you would only know if you were there. Well, hello,
Speaker 3: the only way he could know that shit is if
Speaker 3: somebody was feeding him information. And I think it could
Speaker 3: have been the same with Adolpho because there's an there's
Speaker 3: an aspect to this that's like they were almost it
Speaker 3: was almost like he was an employee. Because I talked
Speaker 3: about in our first Program to Kill episode when I
Speaker 3: was talking about the Petos. You remember I said like
Speaker 3: there were underground tunnels under the school that would like
Speaker 3: pop up in like random like where houses and sheds
Speaker 3: and shit, And it didn't make sense why they were
Speaker 3: connected to the school. And then Michael Achino at the
Speaker 3: Presidio Military Base, his house was really closed to like
Speaker 3: their daycare center, and these kids could describe his house
Speaker 3: like in perfect detail. Well, Adolfo had a huge mansion
Speaker 3: in the middle of Mexico City that was located directly
Speaker 3: across from an elementary school. And so it very much
Speaker 3: reminded me of Michael Achino and all the petos, like
Speaker 3: with the McMartin school shit, because why is this guy
Speaker 3: who's murdering all these people in this super ritualistic way
Speaker 3: have a house right next to an elementary school. And
Speaker 3: as we go in, I might even save this for
Speaker 3: the second part of the episode, but kids were involved
Speaker 3: with a lot of this shit. And the further you
Speaker 3: dig into this stuff, the more you find that it
Speaker 3: fits the mold of all the other serial killers and
Speaker 3: petos that you know, they do use kids in these
Speaker 3: rituals and it's important that they have easy access to
Speaker 3: something like that. And so the the way that the
Speaker 3: bodies were mutilated. It also reminded me kind of like
Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe esque because all of their internal organs were missing.
Speaker 3: And I do think that there's a lot to be
Speaker 3: said about a ritualism and two black market organ harvesting
Speaker 3: because this guy was involved in all of that shit.
Speaker 3: He was involved in, the trade, he was involved in, uh,
Speaker 3: he was somehow was linked to like Chicago mob bosses
Speaker 3: like Marylyn was super random, and then all of their
Speaker 3: the victims, all of their internal organs are missing. I'm
Speaker 3: talking brains, heart, lungs, all that shit was gone. So
Speaker 3: I just, yeah, you could say he was using him
Speaker 3: for rituals and shit because he was a sorcer or whatever,
Speaker 3: but it makes more sense to me with the amount
Speaker 3: of money that he had and the type of lifestyle
Speaker 3: that he had, that he might have been involved in
Speaker 3: like some type of black market organ trade as well.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys think about that.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna interject really quickly. So I know a little
Speaker 4: bit about some of the practices of the Caribbean from
Speaker 4: what I remember being told was that when they brought
Speaker 4: the African slaves into the Caribbean, most of them were
Speaker 4: allowed to maintain a lot of their cultural religious practices,
Speaker 4: belief systems and what have you. And then being here
Speaker 4: it kind of started to morph because you started to
Speaker 4: have I think initially you started to get separation. They
Speaker 4: didn't want the different nationalities to mix because then they
Speaker 4: would overthrow, you know, the slave owners and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But I think what ended up happening is that you
Speaker 4: start to get some mixing of like Santa Ria, Voodoo,
Speaker 4: who do Bilo Miambe and all that stuff. But when
Speaker 4: you really start to see it take off take off
Speaker 4: is when you start to see the influx of the
Speaker 4: refugees coming into the US, particularly in Florida, right, And
Speaker 4: that's when you start to see a huge up like
Speaker 4: upcropping or upgrowing of Palomambe, santar Ia, Whodo and all
Speaker 4: that stuff in Miami specifically, Right. So it's melting pot
Speaker 4: of Afro Caribbean belief systems and it's almost like they're
Speaker 4: mixing it in with Christianity, like how the ritual is
Speaker 4: how so like with Polo Miambi kind of like back
Speaker 4: in the day with Christian and Catholic faith, they built
Speaker 4: churches around relics, right, you know, Saint died, they built
Speaker 4: the church up or whatever. They kind of had a
Speaker 4: similar belief in that they believe that you would have
Speaker 4: to create a cauldron and put a dead body parts
Speaker 4: in it, and then you would I think you would
Speaker 4: have add like twenty some sticks coming out of it
Speaker 4: and basically create this relic and then build your housing
Speaker 4: or whatever, and then you would basically not come to life.
Speaker 4: But this is how you would communicate with deities, and
Speaker 4: you would ask and petition and pray and what have you, right,
Speaker 4: everything from you name it, like you know, is my
Speaker 4: husband cheating on me? Or I wouldn't become rich or
Speaker 4: you know, what have you. But one of the main
Speaker 4: things I think that suck out to me with follow
Speaker 4: is that they required a skull inside of it, and
Speaker 4: that because they wanted it to talk to you, right,
Speaker 4: which is kind of reminiscent to me of the of
Speaker 4: what the Templars had been accused of your head. And
Speaker 4: I was like, I wonder how much of that is correlated,
Speaker 4: because we do know you have a lot of Masonic
Speaker 4: Templar type influences into the US culture, into intelligencia of
Speaker 4: the US government, and now you have these types of
Speaker 4: religions all mixing in how much of them are breeding together,
Speaker 4: and now you're getting something, whether it is astral projection,
Speaker 4: whether it is looking into you know, mind manipulation. I
Speaker 4: think they're throwing everything out there to see how they
Speaker 4: can manipulate a situation and gather intel information and manipulate
Speaker 4: countries and all that other stuff. But with Pollo, that
Speaker 4: was what I understood it to be, and it was,
Speaker 4: you know, like an Afro ritual type belief system. And
Speaker 4: what I had told Nick about it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: what was really interesting is that you don't have a
Speaker 4: whole lot of Cuban presence or influence in Mexico, especially
Speaker 4: during the eighties, and it was all pretty much over
Speaker 4: in Florida. All you had was Mexican and Texas, and
Speaker 4: then you had well Mexican in California as well, but
Speaker 4: a lot of the Caribbean was mainly centralized in Florida.
Speaker 4: And so not that there's discrimination, but you know, you
Speaker 4: didn't hear of it readily for there to be a
Speaker 4: huge Cuban influence. So it's it stuck out to me.
Speaker 4: I was like, not to say that there wasn't, but
Speaker 4: it just stuck out to me. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 4: that's really interesting that there would be, you know, such
Speaker 4: a heavy Cuban presence. But then when I read and
Speaker 4: it was saying that these were students from this side,
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, they were recruiting people.
Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah. And you know, I think that they
Speaker 3: wouldn't practice this stuff if it didn't work. I've said
Speaker 3: that before. You know, if they did it a couple,
Speaker 3: you know, a dozen times and they weren't getting results,
Speaker 3: I don't think that they would continue to practice this shit.
Speaker 3: And so I don't find that it's separate from it's
Speaker 3: like you were saying. I think that the Templars were
Speaker 3: definitely up to some shit, and we have so many
Speaker 3: masons in the governmental structure, and so I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say that Adolfo just came up with this on
Speaker 3: his own. I think maybe he was steered in that
Speaker 3: direction obviously, But if they weren't getting results, they wouldn't
Speaker 3: continue to even fuck with it. Really, And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you guys have heard about I just want
Speaker 3: to mention it, not to tangent too far, but I
Speaker 3: think the channel is called Old World Florida. He's got
Speaker 3: his own YouTube channel and he talks about how if
Speaker 3: you really read the Bible and you look at the
Speaker 3: United States, Florida, I'm one hundred percent convinced at this
Speaker 3: point was the original place of Garden of Eden and
Speaker 3: all of the geological I mean, it lines up perfectly.
Speaker 3: And so when you're talking about all this shit, who
Speaker 3: do Voodoo, Haitian crazy Pollo miam Bay coming into Florida,
Speaker 3: I think that there's been a really decisive effort to
Speaker 3: fuck Florida up because it's such a sacred place. And
Speaker 3: I think that they've done a great job hiding a
Speaker 3: lot of history from people, and I do not put
Speaker 3: it past them to uh use satanic and or ancient
Speaker 3: religions to basically pervert a lot of the beautiful things
Speaker 3: that we have even in the US. If if if
Speaker 3: it was the Garden of Eden in Florida, I think
Speaker 3: that's pretty crazy that we're looking in like the most barren,
Speaker 3: desert crazy place in the world for it to you know,
Speaker 3: look at the Middle East, why would that be the
Speaker 3: fucking Garden of It's like literally responsible for nothing, Like
Speaker 3: it's a dirty dust bowl in the middle of Foxville.
Speaker 3: Why would that be the Garden of Eden? I mean,
Speaker 3: look at Florida I have.
Speaker 1: I have my own theories that go along with that,
Speaker 1: but we won't get into that on this episode because
Speaker 1: it has to do with their lands outside of Antarctica
Speaker 1: and how we're separated from those. But I will say
Speaker 1: that to go into that theory that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that believe that when they
Speaker 1: say that the Titans are going to rise up out
Speaker 1: of the rivers, that it's actually talking about the Mississippi River.
Speaker 1: And it just so happens that Tennessee named their football
Speaker 1: team the Titans.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I think that there's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that they cover up and hide and shit like that.
Speaker 3: When you mentioned how how Miami in particular is like
Speaker 3: this melting pot of all these like weird religions coming together,
Speaker 3: I mean, that makes sense to me. And what is this?
Speaker 5: He says he's been to the Middle least twice and
Speaker 5: it's nothing like your bullshit zionis media for trash?
Speaker 3: What is it like? I don't know, I've never actually
Speaker 3: I don't want to go. It just doesn't look like
Speaker 3: a good time to me. But Florida does shit. I
Speaker 3: actually have been to h oh god, where did it
Speaker 3: I went somewhere on spring break, had a hell of
Speaker 3: a time, way better than the Middle East. But getting
Speaker 3: back to Adolpho, yeah, I do think he could have
Speaker 3: been practicing like dark sorcery stuff. And his mom I
Speaker 3: think that they were from Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4: Maybe from Cuba. And then I think and she had
Speaker 4: him when she she had him when she was fifteen,
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's considering. And again I don't
Speaker 4: I don't know what was going on at the time,
Speaker 4: but that's from what I remember. Most Hispanics are very conservative,
Speaker 4: and to have gotten pregnant at fifteen, I think is
Speaker 4: a really big deal. I would think, right in my opinion,
Speaker 4: and it just seems a little bit not questionable. But
Speaker 4: I think there's more there. I don't know why. I
Speaker 4: just feel like they ask.
Speaker 3: You, this is the name Adolpho popular, because I feel
Speaker 3: like that in itself is like pretty specific.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It is very Spanic adolph And so, I mean, one.
Speaker 4: Of the things you'll notice is that so because Cuba
Speaker 4: was closed off for so long, you'll hear or you'll
Speaker 4: find that most of the names in Cuba are very
Speaker 4: old Spanish names. You don't hear now like an American
Speaker 4: eyes or watered down type Hispanic type names. You hear
Speaker 4: these really old Latin Spanish names and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I bet she's from Cuba. And only because you're like,
Speaker 4: I've never heard that name before. That's like really not regal,
Speaker 4: but it's so Spanish, it's not it's or so Latin.
Speaker 4: It hasn't been watered down, So I would think that
Speaker 4: is somewhat a kin to's some sort of europe Yeah,
Speaker 4: European influence, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's anybody has anybody delved in to his bloodlines.
Speaker 3: I have not. All I know is about is mom.
Speaker 3: Information on this guy is kind of hard to find
Speaker 3: because I mean they want there's a reason they want
Speaker 3: you to be able to access specific things about him
Speaker 3: and not everything. Like I don't know who the baby
Speaker 3: daddy is. I mean, he could have been like a
Speaker 3: fucking high up in the government or some shit. And
Speaker 3: that's why they they buried who Adolpho's real father is.
Speaker 3: But what and why I say that is because like
Speaker 3: here is an example of some of the victims right
Speaker 3: that they found at the ranch that had been skinned alive,
Speaker 3: buried alive, beheaded, all the things. So it was one
Speaker 3: of them was the owner and secretary of a company
Speaker 3: that served as a front for a cocaine processing lab,
Speaker 3: an informant for the Federal Allies, a mistress of an
Speaker 3: informant for the Federal Allies, two FED narcotics officers, three
Speaker 3: former police officers, and the nephew of a US Customs agent.
Speaker 3: So again they try to make it look like this
Speaker 3: guy was just out randomly picking off fucking people on
Speaker 3: spring break, and he wasn't the the victims I think
Speaker 3: were chosen specifically, but they mix in some random people
Speaker 3: like Mark from the news, like, oh, it's a missing
Speaker 3: college student, and then oh, by the way, we found
Speaker 3: all these other bodies, and they make it all like
Speaker 3: it was just super random. But I think they throw
Speaker 3: people like Mark there to confuse you that this isn't specific,
Speaker 3: like they do with a lot of other like David
Speaker 3: Berkowitz and Henry Lee Lucas, even Ted, but some of
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy's victims were kind of questionable, like they had
Speaker 3: like one of them's dad was a police officer. Like
Speaker 3: It's interesting how they throw random people into the mix
Speaker 3: to confuse you that these are organized hits. Kind of
Speaker 3: like even with Manson, because it was Like I said before,
Speaker 3: they never talk about how the first Manson victim, Lino LaBianca,
Speaker 3: he was involved with gangsters, He owed like two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars in gambling debts. He was, you know,
Speaker 3: part of a real nefarious crowd and owed a bunch
Speaker 3: of people. And then he turns up a Manson victim.
Speaker 3: And then like they throw Sharon Tate and they're her
Speaker 3: fucking husband's part of the Process Church and a Satanist,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, we're super random. Yeah, fucking right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like it just they do
Speaker 3: that stuff to.
Speaker 1: Confuse you, yea, to throw you off of the scent.
Speaker 3: All right, And pretty much that's what they do. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time you guys have left,
Speaker 3: but I was gonna kind of talk about after they
Speaker 3: arrested some of these guys, like the weirdness that happened
Speaker 3: around that too, because like a lot of the serial
Speaker 3: killers like Ted Bundy, escape and jail twice, and you know,
Speaker 3: the cops rolled up on Jeffrey Dahmer countless times. It
Speaker 3: never took him in either. And by the way, some
Speaker 3: of the stuff that Jeffrey was doing is very reminiscent
Speaker 3: of like what Lisa was talking about, eating the organs,
Speaker 3: keeping the skulls, very ritualistic stuff. And who they're learning
Speaker 3: this from. They were both in the military. I mean,
Speaker 3: you could start drawing some connections just based on that.
Speaker 3: But so they start trying to bust these assholes from
Speaker 3: the ranch, the compound, whatever and take them into custody,
Speaker 3: but for reasons unfucking known, a large contingent of heavily
Speaker 3: armed Mexican feder allies burned down the death shed at
Speaker 3: Rancho Santa Elena and they destroyed all of the evidence
Speaker 3: before could be processed properly. So again, it's like, if
Speaker 3: it was how they're making it out to be in
Speaker 3: the news, why would they send a big team of
Speaker 3: Mexican SWAT team members essentially to go burn this place
Speaker 3: to the ground with a bunch of evident, valuable evidence
Speaker 3: still inside, you know?
Speaker 1: And Jia, Julia, I'm curious, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: everybody's thoughts are about Tripley in this room, but he
Speaker 1: always makes a really good point, and it's would there
Speaker 1: really be any organic serial killers and terrorism if it
Speaker 1: wasn't curated from three letter agencies to begin with I.
Speaker 3: Think that there is a mixed when it comes to
Speaker 3: serial killers. I think that there is a mix of genuine,
Speaker 3: authentic serial killering and the CIA programmed serial killers. I've
Speaker 3: watched enough like forensic files and like detective shows to
Speaker 3: know like some people are born with a level of
Speaker 3: psychopathy that they just absolutely do not feel human emotion whatsoever,
Speaker 3: and the only way that they can get some type
Speaker 3: of excitement out of life is like literally murdering other
Speaker 3: human beings. I do think there are genuine psychopaths. I
Speaker 3: think you can create a psychopath easily and then just
Speaker 3: send them out in the world and then, you know,
Speaker 3: let them do as they will. But the more famous
Speaker 3: they become, the more you should start looking at their
Speaker 3: background as to are they CIA programmed killers? Because it's
Speaker 3: like I said, there are so many actual serial killers
Speaker 3: out there that might have five minutes in like a
Speaker 3: psychopath documentary. And then there are the superstars Ted Jeff John,
Speaker 3: Wayne Gacy, Berkowitz, Zodiac. The more famous they become, the
Speaker 3: more immortalized they become, that's when you need to start
Speaker 3: looking at their background and say, who the fuck really
Speaker 3: is this guy? Because the boring run of the mill
Speaker 3: psycho pass that murder their pregnant wife and kids. They
Speaker 3: don't get the spotlight that you know, some of these
Speaker 3: other guys do so.
Speaker 1: Right, And I find it curious that if you look split,
Speaker 1: if you look into a lot of things or a
Speaker 1: lot of these people, and you start to see, well,
Speaker 1: they don't even have half of the body count that
Speaker 1: like this person that I've never even heard of does.
Speaker 1: So it's like, why is this person given the center
Speaker 1: stage and this person isn't And there's got to be
Speaker 1: a narrative behind it that they're trying to push.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for me, I think that's one hundred
Speaker 3: percent part of it. I actually think. So Adolpho is
Speaker 3: in the news, right, and he's kind of like one
Speaker 3: of the better known ones. But his ranch was like
Speaker 3: one out of like twenty ranches where they busted uh
Speaker 3: fucking cults with bodies all over the place. But Adolpho
Speaker 3: gets the spotlight. Why Then you find out he's in
Speaker 3: the military, Then you find out his mom gets off
Speaker 3: the hook thirty times being arrested. Then you find out
Speaker 3: he's working with some like a Marina Abramovich type celebrities
Speaker 3: and doing spirit cooking parties and shit, and it's like,
Speaker 3: why does this guy get the spotlight? You know? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: he's CIA, you know what I mean. So it's like
Speaker 3: you got to start kind of trying to tie stuff together.
Speaker 3: And it's like I said before, I think a lot
Speaker 3: of the ways his victims were found aren't very far
Speaker 3: off from like Jeffrey Dahmer victims.
Speaker 4: So it's like they think they were more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think that there there is an
Speaker 3: aspect of actual real serial killers out there. I think
Speaker 3: that I saw something on TikTok or maybe Colby told
Speaker 3: me about it. There's like one hundred active serial killers
Speaker 3: in the US at any given time. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: sure that's true. But the ones that get the HBO
Speaker 3: special those are the ones you need to start looking
Speaker 3: at with a little bit more of a magnifying glass.
Speaker 3: But so when they start arresting these people at the compound,
Speaker 3: Adolpho and a couple of his closest homies take off,
Speaker 3: they go into hiding, and they become the subjects of
Speaker 3: a massive manhunt. And this is where it starts to
Speaker 3: get fucky, because this is the story they say. On
Speaker 3: May sixth, random police officers are searching for a missing child,
Speaker 3: and they inadvertently stumble upon Constanzo and his followers hide
Speaker 3: away in Mexico City. They're looking for a missing child
Speaker 3: that's completely separate from the man hunt for Adolpho, but
Speaker 3: somehow inadvertently stumble upon his hide up out and they
Speaker 3: go to approach him, and shots are fired from the
Speaker 3: apartment and within five minutes of this exchange, two hundred
Speaker 3: police officers surround the apartment complex. And it's interesting to
Speaker 3: me how they were able to get there so fast
Speaker 3: when it was just a random police officer looking for
Speaker 3: a missing child. And within five minutes there are two
Speaker 3: hundred police officers surrounding the compound the apartment complex. So
Speaker 3: how they got there so fast has yet been to
Speaker 3: be explained. They really can't give reason why. And so
Speaker 3: a forty five minute gun battle ensued between Adolfo and
Speaker 3: the cult members and the police. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you guys are familiar with Waco at all, when they
Speaker 3: sieged the compound, right, that was the way the first
Speaker 3: time they sieged don Waco. I think it was like
Speaker 3: a twenty to thirty minute standoff between the ATF and
Speaker 3: the branch Davidians or whatever, and there was multiple dead
Speaker 3: bodies atf dead bodies Branch Davidian, dead bodies, dead bodies everywhere.
Speaker 3: This was a forty five minute gun battle between Adolfo
Speaker 3: and like five cult members and two hundred police officers.
Speaker 3: No one gets shot, one police officer gets a little
Speaker 3: nick in his arm, one police officer. Nobody dies.
Speaker 1: Right, Are you saying they were actually just playing poker
Speaker 1: and then they were deciding who loses and they got
Speaker 1: to take the gunshot wound.
Speaker 3: Dude, I don't think this even happened, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that they totally fabricated this story of a ferocious,
Speaker 3: forty five minute gun battle between the cult members and
Speaker 3: the police. I don't think this even happened, because you're
Speaker 3: telling me forty five minutes of non stop shooting at
Speaker 3: each other, not one person died as a result, not
Speaker 3: one person Like that just doesn't make any sense to
Speaker 3: me whatsoever. I think Waco actually happened. There's fucking dead
Speaker 3: bodies everywhere, right, this shit, This shit sounds like theater
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, because when you're planning anything and somebody has to
Speaker 1: take a bullet wound, you're gonna shoot them in the
Speaker 1: shoulder mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2: I would wonder what would be the reason that they stopped,
Speaker 2: since nobody had even died yet, whether they claim they.
Speaker 3: Apparently they just needed a smoke break, because after the
Speaker 3: forty five minute gun battle, they somehow are able to
Speaker 3: get into this hiding place right and they find that
Speaker 3: Adolfo and his gay lover are in a closet and
Speaker 3: that Adolpho had ordered the other cult members to execute
Speaker 3: him point blank in the face and his lover, so
Speaker 3: that this is what they say, is like Adolpho said,
Speaker 3: I'd rather you kill me than the police get me,
Speaker 3: so just shoot me in the face and shoot my
Speaker 3: fucking gay lover in the face, and let's just get
Speaker 3: this over with. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: And metaphorically they were in the closet, but physically they
Speaker 1: were really in the closet.
Speaker 3: Literally literally talk about that's a way to come out
Speaker 3: of it, if you're gonna come out, but.
Speaker 4: Was very vain, very very much so.
Speaker 3: So the shoot face it did. That part didn't make
Speaker 3: sense to me either, because they took the other cult
Speaker 3: members into custody and then they said, oh, we have
Speaker 3: Adolpho here and his gay lover and they've been shot
Speaker 3: in the face and repeatedly. So actually, the bodies were
Speaker 3: riddled with automatic gunfire and in the face specifically, and
Speaker 3: identification was impossible. So what they did was they took
Speaker 3: Constanzo's body, and it was actually a US consular official
Speaker 3: acting on behalf of Constanzo's mother who lived in the
Speaker 3: piss and Shit house, because she's so fucking reliable, they
Speaker 3: let her decide that it's him, and they flew his
Speaker 3: body to Miami and they immediately cremated it. And this
Speaker 3: is this is another reason why I think that she's
Speaker 3: the power structure, because there was this US consular official
Speaker 3: acting on her behalf to identify the body, and then
Speaker 3: they flew it back to Miami and immediately cremated it
Speaker 3: upon its arrival. And the weird thing is they spotted
Speaker 3: in the news. Mexico City newspapers carried reports of witnesses
Speaker 3: claiming that two men were seen fleeing the scene of
Speaker 3: the gun battle, but that never gets mentioned. And he
Speaker 3: was spotted several times after that with his gay lover.
Speaker 3: So the two bodies they found in the closet most
Speaker 3: likely were not even him, in his in his gay lover,
Speaker 3: you know. So they had to cremate the motherfuckers upon Like,
Speaker 3: why even go to the point of shooting your face
Speaker 3: off if you're just gonna end up getting cremated anyways, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't get they just do started ship all the time.
Speaker 1: So uh, they found their passports though, Right, that's how
Speaker 1: they were able to identify.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it would be easy to do. Right, they
Speaker 3: find two bodies in the closet with their faces shot off,
Speaker 3: but yet there was a wall at and in the
Speaker 3: wall it was the id of Adolpho Constonso and his
Speaker 3: gay lover. Right, it would just be so easy to
Speaker 3: do that. And it's like Lisa said, he's a he's
Speaker 3: a gay cult leader that he ross with all the celebs,
Speaker 3: and he's very vain and he's he's like, kill me,
Speaker 3: shoot my face off. I believe he was.
Speaker 4: Michael for a while too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't shoot my face off like
Speaker 3: if I was gonna have like if I was literally
Speaker 3: it was between my cult members killing me or getting
Speaker 3: taken into custody, and I was like, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go out in a blaze of glory. Don't shoot my
Speaker 3: face off. Do anything but shoot my face off, like.
Speaker 1: You donkeys that reminds me of the first Jackass movie
Speaker 1: when they were shooting paintballs at Johnny Knoxville, and at
Speaker 1: the very end of the scene, they were like, are
Speaker 1: you all right? And he was like, is this good?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? I mean, nobody wants to get their fucking
Speaker 3: face shot off. That's like the last.
Speaker 1: Way you especially a vein person, right, who thinks very
Speaker 1: highly of themselves, and the last thing that people are
Speaker 1: gonna think of is their face just hamburger meat.
Speaker 3: Right exactly. Yeah. No, So it didn't make sense. And
Speaker 3: of course the newspapers that they buried said that they
Speaker 3: saw two guys that matched the description of Adolpho and
Speaker 3: his lover running from the scene, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: I do not think that there was an actual forty
Speaker 3: five minute gun battle. I think that that was some
Speaker 3: bullshit fucking spices they added in later to make it
Speaker 3: sound like they were doing everything they could to arrest
Speaker 3: these cult members.
Speaker 2: Where they get were they last seen in Argentina?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shit, he's he's definitely probably out there. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think that he became someone who trained future generations
Speaker 3: of these.
Speaker 1: Cults, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that he was a perfect archetypal person to.
Speaker 3: You know, they weren't done with him yet. He served
Speaker 3: an amazing purpose. They don't shoot somebody in the face
Speaker 3: that serves the purpose like that. They probably invested a
Speaker 3: lot of time and money into making him who he was,
Speaker 3: and I think he was just repurposed. They probably gave
Speaker 3: him a new name. You know, he might have changed
Speaker 3: something about his physical appearance and became like somewhat of
Speaker 3: a either someone who trains new recruits, or they just
Speaker 3: like retired him but used him in another unspecified to
Speaker 3: serve the program. Yeah, like he's still he's still a rotator.
Speaker 3: They still need him, like there was. There wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been a reason to get rid of him just because
Speaker 3: they found out about the compound it. They could have
Speaker 3: just like moved him somewhere else, you know. And he's
Speaker 3: probably a straight guy now, yeah, or his lover turns
Speaker 3: fucking trans and fucking it's fucking Jennifer Aniston. Who knows.
Speaker 3: Maybe Adolfo is Barack and his lover is jen Aniston.
Speaker 3: And this is the I'm serious. I think that they
Speaker 3: use these guys as characters, and they just swap people
Speaker 3: out and give them new names and identities and shit
Speaker 3: and they go on to do it.
Speaker 1: Do you think that do you think that always they
Speaker 1: always attacked the homosexual aspect to it on purpose? Or
Speaker 1: do you think that these people really are and it
Speaker 1: has to do with occult sex magic.
Speaker 3: I think it could be a combo. I know that
Speaker 3: they for some reason they like to hide Well, they've
Speaker 3: been a little bit more open about it recently, but
Speaker 3: they almost like to hide the transgenderism. Like when it
Speaker 3: comes to like fucking Michelle Obama and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: they're not going to come out and be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's got to and balls like first trany, first lady.
Speaker 3: They're not going to do that. But for some reason
Speaker 3: they hide it when it comes to that stuff. But
Speaker 3: they're so proud of it in any other aspect they
Speaker 3: want to ram it down our throats, and you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, It's like such a double edged sword,
Speaker 3: like you're so proud of this shit, but you don't
Speaker 3: want to admit it. Like why what was that one
Speaker 3: lady that they killed because she was like everybody knows
Speaker 3: Michelle is a fucking dude.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the comedian.
Speaker 3: Jones. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's what I find interesting too, is the last
Speaker 1: four years that we all had to live through of
Speaker 1: this clown circus show that we had to go through. Like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it have been the perfect time right then though,
Speaker 1: to be like, oh and guess what, like Michelle actually
Speaker 1: used to be Michael and transitioned and everybody on that
Speaker 1: side would have been like, you're one of us, one
Speaker 1: of us, right, that would have been the perfect time
Speaker 1: to come out.
Speaker 3: Well, then they would have had to. They would have
Speaker 3: had to explain how the kids don't fucking look like
Speaker 3: or the kids are somehow fucking babies.
Speaker 1: And shit, I can see that. So instead of saying
Speaker 1: we've been lying to you, which everybody knows they have been,
Speaker 1: They're just gonna keep going along with the lie, double down, wear.
Speaker 3: Your mask, yeah, because I mean they don't want to
Speaker 3: have to. They don't want to have to explain where
Speaker 3: they got the kids from and shit like that. But
Speaker 3: I you know, we were talking about Lady Gaga before
Speaker 3: this even got started. I think she's trans I think
Speaker 3: she's almost admitted it a few times, and she's been
Speaker 3: like so what if I am? So. I mean there's
Speaker 3: an aspect where they really get off on like transhumanism
Speaker 3: as part of like this occultist thing where people should
Speaker 3: almost be genderless and like be an exact fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty split of both energies, like within the human body.
Speaker 3: I think that they want, I think part of occultism,
Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong, Nick, because I could
Speaker 3: be wrong. But it's like your gender traps you into
Speaker 3: the physical form. I think when you identify as anything,
Speaker 3: if you identify with your zodiac sign, your gender, anything
Speaker 3: like that, it traps you into your physical body. And
Speaker 3: the whole point is to like transcend out of that
Speaker 3: and be a genderless spirit that floats into anomalous, ambiguous
Speaker 3: form like that. That's what they want, is like no
Speaker 3: one's masculine or feminine. We're all just globs that float
Speaker 3: around and like Baphomet's style, tits and dicks and fucking
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying, That's what they want.
Speaker 3: They literally are trying to destroy masculinity and fit femininity
Speaker 3: because it's like there's an attack on both right now.
Speaker 2: They take occult ideas of the spirit and they put
Speaker 2: it into the flesh and it.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't work right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Projected onto you know, physical.
Speaker 3: It's almost like popular, right, now for women maybe in
Speaker 3: my generation. I don't know. I was born in ninety four,
Speaker 3: and I see a lot of my friends drawn to this.
Speaker 3: But it's like, find like almost effeminate man that's not
Speaker 3: very like all the things that make men men, and
Speaker 3: you know, their masculinity is not toxic. That's pushed a
Speaker 3: lot toxic masculinity. But it's almost like find someone that
Speaker 3: you can put their balls in your purse. And I
Speaker 3: just I've never been attracted to that. But it's like,
Speaker 3: really seriously like pushed now is men who are almost
Speaker 3: effeminate in a way and women who are almost masculine
Speaker 3: in a way. And I don't I'm not attracted to that.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that's the thing right now, but
Speaker 3: I do see that. I think that they love to
Speaker 3: use sexuality as a weapon against us.
Speaker 1: Really, ruality is the easiest thing to pervert, and especially
Speaker 1: with the Internet being accessible as it is right now,
Speaker 1: we can't monitor the things that we want to be
Speaker 1: able to monitor that our kids are seeing and to
Speaker 1: be able to pervert them. And you know, like because
Speaker 1: we grew up watching movies that our parents were like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe they're showing that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, and now our kids are seeing like the
Speaker 1: most ridiculous things on the internet that they shouldn't be seen.
Speaker 1: So it's there's a term for it, and it's escaping
Speaker 1: me right now, but basic it's desensitizing them to these
Speaker 1: things and that way that it has to be something
Speaker 1: crazy in order for them to excite themselves, and that
Speaker 1: is Look, I'm a Christian, and that is just an
Speaker 1: easy way to push sin into the youth and start
Speaker 1: them very young.
Speaker 3: Well you know, it's like they say sin feels good
Speaker 3: or else it wouldn't be sin, you know. But I
Speaker 3: think could they have put that he was a gay
Speaker 3: guy in like in his gay lover just to kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh, he murdered all these people and he
Speaker 3: skinned them alive and buried them alive and ripped their
Speaker 3: spines out and made fucking dildos out of them. But
Speaker 3: the worst part of all is that he was gay.
Speaker 3: Like that's the bad part. Like, that's the bad part.
Speaker 3: He was gay. Like so to me, it just seems
Speaker 3: like a weird aspect of like the story for me,
Speaker 3: maybe he was gay. I don't really give a shit
Speaker 3: either way, because he had fucking bodies buried all over
Speaker 3: his fucking ranch, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 3: they choose weird things to kind of like make the
Speaker 3: make be the important part of it not that he
Speaker 3: had bodies buried all over his property. It's that he
Speaker 3: was gay and he was found in a fucking closet
Speaker 3: with his gay lover. That's the part, you know. It's
Speaker 3: just it's weird to me. But I know we're kind
Speaker 3: of coming to like the cut off point because you
Speaker 3: guys have better places to be.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I wish it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good stopping point because I think in
Speaker 3: the next part I want to talk about some of
Speaker 3: the other stuff that they found after they launched like
Speaker 3: a big investigation after they busted Adolpho, because it spider
Speaker 3: webs off into like a bunch of different ship But
Speaker 3: I guess the main takeaways. You can look at it
Speaker 3: from a spirituality aspect of it. You can look at
Speaker 3: it from a governmental aspect of it. You can watch
Speaker 3: the Ancient Aliens episode tonight for homework. I don't really
Speaker 3: give a shit which way you go with it, but
Speaker 3: this guy is super interesting and there is even more
Speaker 3: crazy stuff to learn about him, probably in part two.
Speaker 4: So some of the some of the interesting things that
Speaker 4: definitely were that I would love to dive into with you, Julia,
Speaker 4: is like some of the how they were getting the
Speaker 4: cult indoctrinated, some of the practices, and some of the
Speaker 4: things that they were forcing them to do. And one
Speaker 4: of them I think is really possibly a tie in
Speaker 4: to some of the other cults and the other things
Speaker 4: that were happening currently in that era and during that
Speaker 4: time period. That definitely like a nod that you're like, wait, what, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think it'll be good too because I
Speaker 3: have some other stuff that I got from Program to
Speaker 3: Kill that I think is really important to this too,
Speaker 3: So we'll do that in the part too.
Speaker 5: Sounds good to me. All right, listen, all right, uh
Speaker 5: I let it all. Just plug your stuff again real quick, Julia,
Speaker 5: thank you so much. I really appreciate that. That was great.
Speaker 3: Sorry for being late, guys.
Speaker 2: It happens to the best of us, real quick catalysts.
Speaker 2: Let everybody know where they can find your amazing work, please, sir.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, guys. I run the White Rabbit podcast
Speaker 1: and you can find me at all the Jewels Suspects
Speaker 1: except for YouTube because they kicked me off four years
Speaker 1: ago when I questioned the vaccine, and you can start
Speaker 1: finding me on the Cult of Conspiracy every Friday. Well,
Speaker 1: I will be doing a breakdown of some stuff that
Speaker 1: I'll announce later. I want to thank you guys for
Speaker 1: allowing me to be on here, because this type of
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't hit my radar and I'm a newbie when
Speaker 1: it comes to this topic, so I apologize if I
Speaker 1: had dumb questions, but this is very interesting to me.
Speaker 5: And thank you, no, thank you for joining us. Man,
Speaker 5: this stuff was new to me too, so it's the
Speaker 5: same thing. And Julia, please let everybody know where they
Speaker 5: can find your amazing podcast as well.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, it's wherever you listen to podcast Patreon
Speaker 3: for extra stuff, not YouTube like Catalyst was saying, fuck them. Oh,
Speaker 3: somebody said Julia is growing on me.
Speaker 4: Appreciated it, but yeah, I'm also on pretty great.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm either you love or hate me,
Speaker 3: and I'm okay with either one because I just want
Speaker 3: people to learn. Shit, it's not really so much about me.
Speaker 3: It's about the information, you know. So and if you
Speaker 3: like the stuff that I cover, I am also on
Speaker 3: Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday, so lots of different ways
Speaker 3: you can get the information. But thanks so much for
Speaker 3: having me, and I'm looking forward to part two. I
Speaker 3: think it'll be great.
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you very much again, and Lisa, thank you
Speaker 5: very much for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I always I love when you bring stuff to the show.
Speaker 5: It's always interesting.
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you wanted to plug or anything
Speaker 2: you want to say?
Speaker 4: No, just thank you Brad for being here. I really
Speaker 4: love I really like meeting you. Julia as always, I'm
Speaker 4: very very itching to get to part two. As usual,
Speaker 4: this was a topic that I told Nick. I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: I want to cover this, but I but I don't
Speaker 4: know that we do it all together, you know, like
Speaker 4: in terms of the time frame or whatever. And then
Speaker 4: when I heard you Coveragulie, I was like, Okay, we're
Speaker 4: just Julian.
Speaker 3: We're gonna thank you.
Speaker 4: I want to share notes and stuff like that, and
Speaker 4: she's done extensive work on it. I'm just very tickled
Speaker 4: that you that you even covered it, so that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 5: live on both channels. And that, I guess concludes another Fridays.
Speaker 5: Sorry again that JJ was not here. I do think
Speaker 5: you will be here next week and he has a
Speaker 5: special guest too, so I definitely check that out. And
Speaker 5: uh yeah, until the next one. Everybody be well later.
Speaker 3: Check I try so
Speaker 1: And got so far, but in the end it doesn't
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