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Speaker 4: For the warners, this podcast is designed to take you
Speaker 4: outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality
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Speaker 5: This ain't my first time at the Rodeosh.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode.
Speaker 2: You already know.
Speaker 7: We got Miguel Connor with us tonight with a cult Elvis.
Speaker 7: But before we introduce him, I'm going to introduce the
Speaker 7: rest of the crew and the rejects with us tonight.
Speaker 7: I got myself obviously, and I got Heidi love with me. Heidi,
Speaker 7: let everybody know what you deal is and where they
Speaker 7: can find your amazing work.
Speaker 8: Awesome. I'm Heidi, love of the Unfiltered Rice.
Speaker 9: You can find me everywhere podcasts are served and love
Speaker 9: to see either. I also have my own website, unfilteredripodcast
Speaker 9: dot com.
Speaker 7: Awesome links will be in the bottom and jin then Ninja,
Speaker 7: what is up my man? Thank you very much for
Speaker 7: joining us. Please let everybody know where your deal is.
Speaker 10: Well, I'll say, first of all, thanks boss for having
Speaker 10: me on.
Speaker 11: Of course, I love doing these panel shows. Thank you, Heidi, Julia, Ethan,
Speaker 11: Robbie of course.
Speaker 10: And Miguel Obviously, like a lot of young I'm not
Speaker 10: that young, but maybe like a little younger than Eunich,
Speaker 10: so I'll say I'm a little I'm young, and like
Speaker 10: a lot of young magicians will say, I've listened to
Speaker 10: Miguel's show for a long time, so I'm quite excited,
Speaker 10: and uh yeah, I think it'll be really great. So
Speaker 10: if people want to follow me, they can follow me
Speaker 10: on Twitter x Wucar Reborn, wuk O and g Reborn
Speaker 10: or the show.
Speaker 11: At Threshold Saints at Spotify and Applele.
Speaker 7: Well listen, you know that that is something I do
Speaker 7: want to mention too. I don't know if I mentioned
Speaker 7: it last time when I had you on, Miguel, but
Speaker 7: just like just like Room Soup, I used to listen
Speaker 7: to Miguil back in the day too when I when
Speaker 7: I was just practicing. So it's actually kind of was
Speaker 7: like kind of unreal to be like, Wow, this guy's
Speaker 7: on my show and I used to listen to his
Speaker 7: stuff when I was studying the cult. Like it's it's
Speaker 7: pretty mind blowing, So yeah, I get it. Cosmic Peach, Julia,
Speaker 7: please let us know what is going on.
Speaker 12: Well, if you haven't found me yet, you never will.
Speaker 12: But I'm happy to be in a cult reject so
Speaker 12: you can find me here every now and again. Yes,
Speaker 12: I have Cosmic Peach podcast and yeah that's pretty much it. Oh,
Speaker 12: I was going to say, I do have an Instagram
Speaker 12: cosmic dot Peach dot podcast. If people want to work
Speaker 12: with me, the best way to do it is to
Speaker 12: go to Instagram and email me from my link tree
Speaker 12: because I never checked that inbox, so that's the way
Speaker 12: to do it.
Speaker 13: But thanks for having me, Nick, this is going to
Speaker 13: be a good one.
Speaker 7: Hell yeah, of course, know what. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 7: Ethan Indigo, my man, what is up? Let everybody know
Speaker 7: what your deal is?
Speaker 3: Peace on earth. Honored to be here with everyone, Always
Speaker 3: excited to learn communicate with you, guys. I'm a big
Speaker 3: fan of everyone, honestly, and I'm excited to hear Miguel's presentation.
Speaker 3: Recently put out an article on a cult research institute
Speaker 3: where your cult rejects have a bunch of writing of course,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, I'm a ne'er do well writer, so
Speaker 3: it's and I think a link to my writing is below.
Speaker 11: Thanks, thanks so much, Nick.
Speaker 7: And everyone of course, and Robbie Marx the o G
Speaker 7: himself let everybody know what's up with you.
Speaker 14: So yeah, so now my state everybody here, and I
Speaker 14: just want to say, Miguel, you know I've been excited
Speaker 14: about this occult Elvis project since you started talking about
Speaker 14: doing it.
Speaker 15: But I am r Marx or Robbie Marx.
Speaker 14: You can check out my artwork, my podcast, all my
Speaker 14: miscellaneous things that I have at my link tree at
Speaker 14: link Tree R M A r X.
Speaker 15: That'll get you everything.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, awesome, thank you very much.
Speaker 7: And last but not least, my favorite garbage can dude,
Speaker 7: JJ Vance, not the vice president.
Speaker 2: What is up, sir? How are you? And I think
Speaker 2: you are today?
Speaker 16: Your technical difficulties it creating, sir. I appreciate this, appreciate
Speaker 16: the invite, Miguel. Nice to a nice you just start
Speaker 16: looking forward to hearing about some of cold Elvis. Big
Speaker 16: fan of A big fan of the king myself, and
Speaker 16: nice to see all the fellow of cult.
Speaker 17: Rejects here this evening.
Speaker 16: JJ Vance not the vice president, host of Operations GCD,
Speaker 16: and resident garbage Can do true crime. I'm here at
Speaker 16: the Occult Rejects. That's for nothing except for being an expert.
Speaker 17: Nothing. That's what I'm an expert.
Speaker 2: In pretty much save here. I think I can say
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 7: All right, So finally we got through all that about
Speaker 7: five minutes later. Now we're going to get to the guest,
Speaker 7: Miguel A on Bite. I'm sure most people know who
Speaker 7: you are already. I mean, you're a staple in the
Speaker 7: occult community at this point, I mean you have been
Speaker 7: for a while. Just let everybody know who me and
Speaker 7: I know who you are, what your deal is, and
Speaker 7: what you're all about.
Speaker 1: Sir oh Man, thanks for having me on. But God,
Speaker 1: all this talk, I feel like I feel like you're
Speaker 1: wheeling in some old dinosaur. I'm like the Fat Elvis podcast,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Show it's gonna be a Vegas suit.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, but uh yeah, just Miguel Connor, a host
Speaker 1: of a young Bite off the Cult Elvis. Yeah, love
Speaker 1: what you guys do. When I was writing the book,
Speaker 1: I'd often go into the uh, into your podcast, The
Speaker 1: Occult Rejects because it's nice. It's sometimes it's relaxing to
Speaker 1: see people shoot the ship organically, you know, it's only
Speaker 1: it's kind of rare actually, so it was fun. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I'd be like, we're working on the book, or
Speaker 1: I wonder if Nick's been banned from YouTube again. That
Speaker 1: was always happened so many times, like yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the fourth yeah exactly. It's like, will you make it?
Speaker 1: This time? Will be this? This will be the one?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know it gets bad. It only strikes
Speaker 2: I get anymore from William Ramsey on my show. It's
Speaker 2: so weird.
Speaker 7: It's like the funniest thing yet.
Speaker 2: Oh, Julia.
Speaker 12: Gonna say me for sure. And William who I just
Speaker 12: talked to today. We did something on the Catcher in
Speaker 12: the Rye and we're not even gonna try to put
Speaker 12: that one on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice, all right.
Speaker 7: So, Miguel cult Elvis, I mean, I'm assuming you're probably
Speaker 7: a huge fan of them and that's why you got
Speaker 7: into them, but like, what made you pick or maybe
Speaker 7: you weren't a fan of them? No really, okay, so
Speaker 7: what made you? What made you decide to even get
Speaker 7: into covering a cult Elvis?
Speaker 1: Then? Oh, well, Elvis had other plans. I suppose I
Speaker 1: never was an Elvis fan. I was always a Beatles person.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I don't know if you young whipper
Speaker 1: snappers have ever watched the original theater release of Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 1: You can't find it, and you have to. It's the
Speaker 1: original or release. Tarantino took it out. Yeah, there's the
Speaker 1: Mia Wallace Uma Thurman, you know, daughter of the great
Speaker 1: Buddhist scholar. She's filming John Travolta, Vincent Vega and the
Speaker 1: camera and she goes, there are only two type of
Speaker 1: people in this world. Elvis fans and Beatles fans. They
Speaker 1: can like each other, but they're very different. Who you
Speaker 1: are says everything about you. Then later in this one
Speaker 1: you can't find after they go on the date, she goes,
Speaker 1: I think you're a I think I know if you're
Speaker 1: an Elvis or a Beatles fan. But it it makes
Speaker 1: more context without that scene that Tarantino deleted. So I
Speaker 1: was always a Beatles fan forever. Now I'm an Elvis fan,
Speaker 1: and I explained in the book what it is to
Speaker 1: be an Elvis fan. But I never thought much of Elvis.
Speaker 1: I thought he was like the you know, the music
Speaker 1: version of Mountain Dew or McDonald's whatever and something like.
Speaker 1: And as I got older, I started appreciating him, you know,
Speaker 1: his impact and everything. And I did read a book
Speaker 1: about him, like ten years ago, a biography that mentioned
Speaker 1: some of his you know, esoteric practices. But that was
Speaker 1: at a time when I was studying the Colt and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, these all these rock stars
Speaker 1: and artists are into weird stuff. You know. Bowie was
Speaker 1: into kabbala and Agent of the Lem. The Beatles into him.
Speaker 1: It's just what they do on the side to help
Speaker 1: them with their music. Didn't think about it, was still
Speaker 1: a Beatles fan. And then summer of twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: I ran into all these you might say, roadblocks that
Speaker 1: changed my mind, or these directions having to do with
Speaker 1: two ayahuasca rituals, visions, synchronicities. Everything. My world was just
Speaker 1: turned upside down and threw that. Suddenly this voice started saying,
Speaker 1: you know, Elvis, Elvis, there's something I have to say.
Speaker 1: And I became completely obsessed with the King. I could
Speaker 1: only listen to his music in the car. I had
Speaker 1: to watch you know, his movies, documentaries, and just couldn't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about it. And finally I just surrendered. I
Speaker 1: just said, you know, I believe that all of us
Speaker 1: have a mission, and the mission is very simple. You
Speaker 1: either listen to God or your soul or your destiny,
Speaker 1: or you're going to be in a lot of pain.
Speaker 1: And I'm old enough to when these things happen, I
Speaker 1: just lean into it and I don't ask questions because
Speaker 1: I'm tired of the pain. So on a February twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, I just sat down with that one biography
Speaker 1: and I just started writing, and in three months, the
Speaker 1: whole book came out of me. As I like to say,
Speaker 1: it's like my tagline. I became quantum Entangled with Elvis,
Speaker 1: we became almost one, and you know, and there's many
Speaker 1: reasons why this book had to happen. We can talk
Speaker 1: about him, but it was just something he wanted me
Speaker 1: to do. It's like doing a favor for a friend.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the friends ask you for a favor. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: to move the couch, maybe it's to and you just go,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll just do it. I'll just do it.
Speaker 1: And I did it, and I'm very happy I did
Speaker 1: it for him as.
Speaker 7: Part of the favor of being like, maybe stuff was
Speaker 7: not noticed that he was trying to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't notice because this stuff is hidden in
Speaker 1: plain sight, you know. As you guys know, Elvis was
Speaker 1: like the he was like the conspiracy world. Before conspiracy.
Speaker 1: He was on the tabloids and the documentaries and the
Speaker 1: bad blog posts and all that. You know, Elvis landed
Speaker 1: from a spaceship, and Elvis did that. Everything I got
Speaker 1: I got from biographies that are you know, very well
Speaker 1: lauded biographies. They came from friends, family, Priscilla. The things
Speaker 1: that he saw, his supernatural visions and magic abilities, and
Speaker 1: what he practiced and what he read. It was always
Speaker 1: with a lot of witnesses around him. There were people
Speaker 1: around him, and you can't trust him. And even his
Speaker 1: UFO encounters I detail three or four in the book.
Speaker 1: He was never alone with them. It's not like he went,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a UFO encounter. There were people there.
Speaker 1: They happened in great in his bel Air mansion and
Speaker 1: somewhere in the desert. So everything I got, I just
Speaker 1: pruned from all these biography and newspaper articles, and everything
Speaker 1: had or ninety nine ninety five percent had eyewitnesses to it.
Speaker 1: So and it was all there, and it was up
Speaker 1: to me to bring it all together in one book.
Speaker 1: And also try to explain why Elvis, why he's probably
Speaker 1: the most remarkable person in the twentieth century. And that's
Speaker 1: something that you know, Quentin Terr, you know, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: David Lynch said, that's something that Leonard Bernstein said. So
Speaker 1: many people says that the greatest icon in the twentieth
Speaker 1: century is Elvis. He is America. He represents America everything
Speaker 1: good and bad. And in my argument is that you know,
Speaker 1: we are losing our identity, this country's fragmenting. If we
Speaker 1: want to know what it is to be an American,
Speaker 1: the spirit of Elvis is what's going to get us
Speaker 1: through the other side. So I put all these ideas
Speaker 1: of Elvis on a highlight level, through a Union lens,
Speaker 1: a Steiner lens, an alchemy lens, a psychological lens, even
Speaker 1: a UFO lens, just so we can understand who this
Speaker 1: figure is and maybe understand why he rose so fast
Speaker 1: and also crashed so hard at the end. Why did
Speaker 1: Elvis leave the building so early? And it's always going
Speaker 1: to be a mystery, but I try to give ideas
Speaker 1: so that the reader can make up their mind.
Speaker 12: So you do believe that he is, you know rip
Speaker 12: then because you know there's always yeah, there's theories that
Speaker 12: he didn't really die when he died, and you know, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do focus a chapter on it.
Speaker 1: And there's so many and they're great, great conspiracies, great
Speaker 1: rabbit holes to have fun with. But I do think
Speaker 1: at the end his body did leave. I do show
Speaker 1: that he knew he was going to die. He predicted it,
Speaker 1: he told friends. Even his death is almost a ritual
Speaker 1: when you look get it, even you know, on the throne.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all symbolical. And he predicted that day
Speaker 1: I was going to leave. But his material body did leave.
Speaker 1: And people always like, well, he could have been a
Speaker 1: did he go under ground on the witness protection? That
Speaker 1: a mob and he moved to Argentine.
Speaker 2: But then Argentine.
Speaker 1: Elvis fans say, look, number one, Elvis had more power
Speaker 1: than the president, and he was mob connected. He was
Speaker 1: connected with the DA he wrote, he said, what was
Speaker 1: going to happen, That's just the way he was. Number Two,
Speaker 1: if there were two people that are important in his
Speaker 1: life at the time, was Lisa Marie and his father Vernon.
Speaker 1: He would never have abandoned. He would have taken them
Speaker 1: with them. If you know, I'm going to move to
Speaker 1: Argentina or you know, or become a pastor in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Elvis would have not left his family. It's just not
Speaker 1: something he did. I think that's the best argument.
Speaker 12: What do you think about his relationship with Priscilla because
Speaker 12: there's so many so much stuff people say about how
Speaker 12: young she was and like when they met, and like
Speaker 12: after she moved to Graceland and it's like weirdness and
Speaker 12: stuff like what what are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's many thoughts about that. Again, many
Speaker 1: theories of why this happened. I lean a lot simply
Speaker 1: on her bio, Elvis and me, and you can watch
Speaker 1: it in the Sophia Coppola movie Priscilla, and it's okay,
Speaker 1: it gives you a picture. But my theory, or the
Speaker 1: way I approach it, is that Elvis was a it's
Speaker 1: hard to say he there was an Oedipus thing with
Speaker 1: Elvis because he lost his twin when he was born,
Speaker 1: and Gladys could not conceive, and there was so poverty.
Speaker 1: Gladys became very possessive and unfortunately it's we call it
Speaker 1: helicopter parenting, but you could call it. It's called lethal
Speaker 1: enmeshment or enmeshment where the mother let the child grow,
Speaker 1: so the child is their egos never develop and they
Speaker 1: become this extreme of proxy husband plus little playful, naughty child.
Speaker 1: And she basically destroyed a psyche I mean from the
Speaker 1: get go. And it's a lot of damage. It's serious stuff.
Speaker 1: We made joke about it. So he when she died
Speaker 1: at only forty six, and he was like he was
Speaker 1: in his early twenties, right before he was going into
Speaker 1: the army. He was completely crushed. That archetype of the
Speaker 1: mother was just taken away. And he felt guilty because
Speaker 1: he always said, I don't care about the money. I
Speaker 1: want to make my mom happy. That's why I'm a millionaire.
Speaker 1: But she hated the thing with a passion because her
Speaker 1: proxy husband was out there with other women touring and
Speaker 1: she started drinking, taking pills. So he felt guilty that
Speaker 1: I gave my mom the fame and she died because
Speaker 1: of it. And even his father once blamed he that
Speaker 1: you killed you killed your own mother. He never recovered.
Speaker 1: Kind of a deal with the devil. Right, you want fame,
Speaker 1: I got to take something from you. But it was
Speaker 1: so crushing that he became obsessed with the idea of
Speaker 1: the mother and anybody who looked like his mother. He
Speaker 1: lost it, Like why did he get into theosophy? Because
Speaker 1: he saw a photo of Madame Blovotski was like mommy.
Speaker 1: And when he saw Priscilla, he saw that something about
Speaker 1: her reminded him of his mother, and he couldn't let go.
Speaker 1: He had He could have had any woman of any
Speaker 1: stature in the world at any time, but he had
Speaker 1: to have Priscilla, and he you know, and he had her.
Speaker 1: And as Priscilla writes, they did not consummate the marriage
Speaker 1: until they were They did not consummate the relationship either
Speaker 1: until they got married or right before there. I think
Speaker 1: she slips a few times that maybe right before and
Speaker 1: she and everybody said she was the one who wanted it.
Speaker 1: Elvis was like in his spiritual kick and was like, no,
Speaker 1: we must wait and this and that. But it was Priscilla.
Speaker 13: So she had hot draws some size dance.
Speaker 8: She saw his pelvis moving.
Speaker 2: She was gonna jump all that come on.
Speaker 1: But she was in her early twenties, That's all I mean.
Speaker 1: She was in her early twenties. Whenever they decided it
Speaker 1: was time or whenever it happened.
Speaker 12: So so was she into like all this stuff with him?
Speaker 13: Was she was she doing like magical stuff you think?
Speaker 1: Or no?
Speaker 17: She scientology right later?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did joint sciential Elvis hated.
Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up. I had had
Speaker 2: that written down. Yeah, I noticed she mentioned.
Speaker 1: That, right.
Speaker 2: What was the reason for that?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 17: Daughter loved it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 16: Mm hmm wife and scientist, both of them, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 16: and he hated them. They say he avoided it like
Speaker 16: the cobra. It was a godless religion.
Speaker 1: He loved. He was very accepting of all religions because
Speaker 1: he believed, if you're looking for God, I respect you.
Speaker 1: Except for scientology.
Speaker 16: Sure, I've always wanted how Scientology took back, you know
Speaker 16: what I mean, because they don't like, they don't like
Speaker 16: when when families bad mouth of their family members about
Speaker 16: being in scientology.
Speaker 17: That's a big that's a big no note for old Zeno.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But once he once he was gone, that's
Speaker 1: when Priscilla and Lisa Marie got into really need deep.
Speaker 2: So oh okay, I hate it.
Speaker 16: I thought that, and I thought I was I thought
Speaker 16: there was like more of the nineteen sixties movement.
Speaker 2: Type of situation for for Priscilla.
Speaker 1: No, no, it was in the seventies. In the sixties,
Speaker 1: she was with Elvis, and uh, she hated his occultism
Speaker 1: and mystic oh really, because he started becoming so detached
Speaker 1: to the material world and so spiritual that a she wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, no more attention she was. He wasn't giving
Speaker 1: her the attention as a woman that she wanted. And
Speaker 1: he almost twice, he almost quit the music industry to
Speaker 1: be a monk, a Christian monk and a Hindu monk,
Speaker 1: and it was all just too heavy for it. For example,
Speaker 1: Elvis loved Manly P. Hall and wanted to go to
Speaker 1: his lectures, but Elvis could not go to anywhere because
Speaker 1: Kateus would ensue, right, he had to stay at Hoone.
Speaker 1: So he would send Priscilla to go listen to Manly P. Hall,
Speaker 1: write notes and bring him to him, and he was
Speaker 1: very happy. But she hated. She hated his spirituality. So
Speaker 1: did Parker, Colonel Parker the Memphis Mafia, because he was
Speaker 1: really out of control. I mean, he was like meditation
Speaker 1: circles with groupies and reading at night and meditating and
Speaker 1: practicing this magic, and he just drove everybody crazy because
Speaker 1: he hated his fame. He was done with it. He
Speaker 1: just it meant nothing to him, and so it drove
Speaker 1: him crazy. But eventually there was this concerted campaign to
Speaker 1: put wedges between him and his spiritual teach us and this,
Speaker 1: and eventually they won. They didn't win. What happened is
Speaker 1: he went underground secretly, like he'd keep his books in
Speaker 1: Vegas and all that. And I always I say, how
Speaker 1: he turned into Vegas Elvis is very occult, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole Egyptian ah that. I think he transferred that
Speaker 1: energy into the Vegas Act. But he was still till
Speaker 1: the day he died, he was really into the Western
Speaker 1: esoteric tradition, Eastern traditions and anything.
Speaker 13: Are you familiar with the Tuesday Weld at all?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 13: No, JJ, Do you know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 17: One of my favorite characters in.
Speaker 13: Life, the Huge she's like a witch, right, she's.
Speaker 18: Like a accordingand well Anton Levey had some kind of
Speaker 18: dedication to her in his Satanic Bible.
Speaker 12: It was like Marilyn Monroe to Sday well, Jane Mansfield,
Speaker 12: but Tuesday well then.
Speaker 16: Like this, they were like I knew they knew each
Speaker 16: other as they acted together.
Speaker 17: I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know how. I was curious
Speaker 17: to know how the relationship went.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 12: There's even pictures of them where he's given her a
Speaker 12: big smooch yea, yeah, yeah, I think that there could
Speaker 12: have been a romance there, but it it just like
Speaker 12: with the kind of like the topic of the episode.
Speaker 12: If she was into all that and they were best
Speaker 12: these I can only imagine what Elvis may have learned
Speaker 12: from her.
Speaker 17: Oh for sure.
Speaker 16: And Leavey elaborates on his dedication to Tuesday Wild in
Speaker 16: a nineteen seventy two book called Modern Witchcraft.
Speaker 17: So especially involved in the rituals.
Speaker 13: She's really interesting.
Speaker 12: But I wondered if you had come across her with Elvis,
Speaker 12: because I know that they hung out and they were
Speaker 12: friends or whatever, But do you think, like even him,
Speaker 12: like how he was discovered and everything is kind of ritualistic,
Speaker 12: because I've seen the studio in Memphis where he recorded
Speaker 12: some of his first stuff, and it's like lots of
Speaker 12: triangles on the ceilings.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's it's really in your face.
Speaker 2: You been there to go, I've been.
Speaker 15: Record Sodell.
Speaker 14: I was gonna say, I'd always known Elvis was in
Speaker 14: the theosophy and it was kind of just a loose
Speaker 14: fact in the wind. And I came across I collect
Speaker 14: the vinyl and I came across one of his country
Speaker 14: records that has twelve songs and in between each song
Speaker 14: is a seat and advertise it on the record a
Speaker 14: secret thirteenth song. And I thought that was kind of
Speaker 14: interesting in regard to the whole ideas of esoteric philosophy.
Speaker 14: But like, did he actively kind of push those ideas
Speaker 14: through his merchandising and his other you know, things that
Speaker 14: he was putting out.
Speaker 1: I would say yes or no. Again. His Vegas manifestation
Speaker 1: is very magical. There are reports he would stop doing
Speaker 1: concerts and do like Tibetan prayers here and there. There
Speaker 1: were times when he had to go into an altered
Speaker 1: state of mind. Maybe he was on drugs, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he wore one thing. He wore an ankh
Speaker 1: even the day he died, and all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: starting out with the scene from two thousand and Space
Speaker 1: one and all that. It was a big steministic ritual
Speaker 1: and people there's not a lot of footage, but people
Speaker 1: who went there said they were really transformed. And again,
Speaker 1: he never hit it, but he didn't advertise it. He
Speaker 1: was always passing out books, always wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: musicians and people about different spiritualities and so forth. I
Speaker 1: say that he really was part of seating the sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies a cult and hippie movement because he was
Speaker 1: always there handing out books, doing circles, lesson circles, teachings
Speaker 1: in Hollywood and Memphis, and just spreading this stuff and
Speaker 1: making it cool, even martial arts. When Elvis got his
Speaker 1: black belt in nineteen fifty eight, he was only one
Speaker 1: of one hundred people in the United States with a
Speaker 1: black belt in the country's one hundred and seventy million.
Speaker 1: That's esoteric. And through the sixties and seventies he got
Speaker 1: more black belts and people started, oh, this is really cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, he made karate and these things kind of cool.
Speaker 1: So he was very important. And we have to understand
Speaker 1: the United States was very like a wasteland. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like Western Europe. When it came to the occult. There
Speaker 1: was really nothing you had, you know, the West Coast,
Speaker 1: the East Coat, Theosophical Society in Wheaton, there was nothing
Speaker 1: you had Elvis and the beat writers, you know, for
Speaker 1: all those guys, Kraak, we're talking about Eastern Nobody was
Speaker 1: talking about Buddhism or Taoism and all that, and Elvis
Speaker 1: was one of those. In fact, he used to go
Speaker 1: to the Yoga Nanda Shrum because he started working under
Speaker 1: Yogananda's successor, Diyamata. He'd go there to meditate. He did
Speaker 1: that like years before George Harrison started doing it, So
Speaker 1: he was way ahead of the curb. And I think
Speaker 1: he's one of the reasons it became acceptable. And like
Speaker 1: I said, he was seeding this stuff. But again, it
Speaker 1: was not something he wore in his sleeve. It was
Speaker 1: just he had passionate about it, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have passionate about the giants. You meet somebody, Hey
Speaker 1: what about the giants or you know you just yeah.
Speaker 12: I was going to say, even like a secret life though.
Speaker 12: It was like he had all this going on on
Speaker 12: the side, but nobody knew about it. Like in the public,
Speaker 12: they wouldn't go, oh, Elvis, that guy that's really into Buddhism.
Speaker 13: You know, it's almost he had like a secret sight.
Speaker 1: It does. It's almost like an immagh thing. It's almost
Speaker 1: like an image because even though he would wear this
Speaker 1: Aztek or Egyptian outfits and do that. People still had
Speaker 1: this image of Elvis as a southern conservative boy, but
Speaker 1: everybody in his inner circle and friends in Hollywood, they
Speaker 1: knew it and it was just part of it. Elvis
Speaker 1: did what Elvis wanted to do, and it was really
Speaker 1: as simple as that. And for some reason, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it is there was a time when
Speaker 1: people just thought, oh, these Hollywood people are rocks, that
Speaker 1: they're eccentric, you know, the Beatles and Hinduism, Ronald Reagan
Speaker 1: and astrology and man, oh, it's just what they do,
Speaker 1: and we kind of shelve it, we put it away,
Speaker 1: and then you realize, no, these things really shape their personalities,
Speaker 1: their world views, their art. I mean, this was essential
Speaker 1: to who they are as beings. And I think we're
Speaker 1: ready now to see it. I mean, there's been a
Speaker 1: book out on you know, the colchi In Morrison, Sylvia Plath,
Speaker 1: and we're realizing this is essential and important and history
Speaker 1: change and personality changing, and I think we're ready as
Speaker 1: a culture to really really see it. Instead of kind
Speaker 1: of turning her eye to one side or something.
Speaker 13: Did he write his own stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 9: Sorry, what do you what do you feel about the
Speaker 9: catastrophic things that have happened on his bloodline, like you
Speaker 9: have implications there anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I deal with that too. I
Speaker 1: mean Priscilla once said, well, you think Elvis would have
Speaker 1: survived how it would have been? And Priscilla's like, no,
Speaker 1: there were demons in his family and she said the
Speaker 1: lineage is cursed and I show that through his mother, Gladys.
Speaker 1: Gladys maybe you know she abused him and I can't
Speaker 1: blame him, and she lost her twin she was then
Speaker 1: they went to the hospital. She said she couldn't conceive,
Speaker 1: so of course she's just going to grab onto Elvis
Speaker 1: with everything she had. But she was known to have visions.
Speaker 1: She would see demons at night, she had premonitions. Her
Speaker 1: and her husband could heal, had a touch, which Elvis adopted.
Speaker 1: Elvis talks about how her and her mother in Mississippi
Speaker 1: good astral travel, but they both kept it hush because
Speaker 1: they were worried about the church. So he got to
Speaker 1: this lineage and of course the gifts also are the curses.
Speaker 1: There's a darkness to these powers. And got it from Gladys.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because of their native blood
Speaker 1: or their Jewish, but I don't know. Some lineage of
Speaker 1: magicians went through Gladys, through Elvis and eventually to Lisa Marie.
Speaker 1: From what I hear and I'm just doing the research,
Speaker 1: Lisa Marie had UFO encounters, so there was something, some
Speaker 1: sort of curse.
Speaker 9: Or because they lost over her poor son. You know,
Speaker 9: there was some I mean all of that. It's just
Speaker 9: every out of them. It's like all over again. Yeah yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting started on that. I haven't gone down
Speaker 1: too deep that rabbit.
Speaker 10: All well, I just would jump in and say one
Speaker 10: thing quickly, since we have Heidi and jj on is
Speaker 10: that also Nick and I did a series at Nick Lison.
Speaker 11: I did a series on Nick Barrett or Sid Brett
Speaker 11: excuse me, from the band. I can't even think right now,
Speaker 11: that's right.
Speaker 10: And so he was involved with Sikhism and at like
Speaker 10: I'm a Buddhist, so for me, that's not a particular
Speaker 10: branch of dharma that I'm that familiar with. But I
Speaker 10: looking into it, it does seem to have a lot
Speaker 10: of branches into these kind of celebrity ocult networks. Seems
Speaker 10: to be like Sickhism, which is an interesting maybe side point.
Speaker 10: But also they were married on May first, nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 10: I think nineteen sixty seven JJ might find that interesting date.
Speaker 10: And then also for Heidi they were married at the
Speaker 10: Aladdin Hotel. Well, you know, we discussed another magician, Howard Hughes,
Speaker 10: who you know, everybody's favorite magic city.
Speaker 11: Vegas.
Speaker 8: On May Day.
Speaker 7: Something I did want to ask you Miil was was
Speaker 7: he almost kind of like a conspiracy theorist in a
Speaker 7: sense too, because I think I.
Speaker 1: Had heard was red pill before red pill was cool?
Speaker 1: So he was again he he was, Yeah, he would
Speaker 1: have been having fun with us right now. He would
Speaker 1: be fun Twitter. He'd be going crazy on Twitter and
Speaker 1: all that, because yeah, he he certainly had a conspiracy sensibility.
Speaker 1: He never right after JFK was killed, he was on
Speaker 1: the radio saying, there's no way it's a lone gun man.
Speaker 1: Same with Robert F. Kennedy. He was sure that there
Speaker 1: was foul play.
Speaker 20: Yeah, he thought he.
Speaker 1: Thought the Vatican was holding secrets and he was really mad.
Speaker 12: It's like, why does don't we know this side of him?
Speaker 12: Like I always imagined him as like kind of a
Speaker 12: dope like that. Went to go visit Forst Gump one
Speaker 12: time and like learned how to do the moonwalk thing.
Speaker 13: I mean, but there's just like this image of Elvis.
Speaker 12: It's like, oh yeah, kind of like the very first
Speaker 12: Beatle stuff like bubble gum kind of like, oh yeah,
Speaker 12: it's Elvis.
Speaker 13: You know whatever. I've watched. What is that.
Speaker 12: Movie with the it's the story of Johnny Cash, but
Speaker 12: he's in it.
Speaker 13: Walked the line, yeah, walked the line.
Speaker 12: And because Johnny Cash always said, oh Elvis got me
Speaker 12: on pills. Elvis this Elvis that. So like do you
Speaker 12: think he's a good guy? Do you think he's just
Speaker 12: somewhere floating in the middle, like who is he?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well it was an occultist. He was a mystic.
Speaker 1: He had magic powers, as they show in the book.
Speaker 1: He was a visionary and a very smart guy. Even
Speaker 1: the big bio Peter pull In that I forget it's
Speaker 1: called The Last Train to Memphis, talks about how he
Speaker 1: was a brilliant thinker. He would write, he would annotate books.
Speaker 1: You can go to Graceland and you see it. He
Speaker 1: wanted to know things when he would whether he was
Speaker 1: going to Vegas or movies. He always had a higher
Speaker 1: group of workers carrying two hundred books because he would
Speaker 1: just he would just read them, read them. He was
Speaker 1: he really was almost a scholar mind, a brilliant person
Speaker 1: and a brilliant thinker. Again, he had terrible demons, you know,
Speaker 1: as Heidi is saying, So he always had that struggle,
Speaker 1: but really a unique individual. He really was the king.
Speaker 9: Right, true cult is they're never all darker all light.
Speaker 9: It's usually the dark in the light.
Speaker 1: So that's what I met by Gordon, which he had recently,
Speaker 1: and it always sticks with thee. It properly used magic
Speaker 1: will destroy your life. And I've always I think right
Speaker 1: looks like a good Coultist.
Speaker 17: Elvis also is a spook.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 16: He was an undercover federal officer. He tried, He tried,
Speaker 16: He really did try. But he had an obsession with badges.
Speaker 16: He had an obsession with authority. But I think a
Speaker 16: lot of it because he grew up so poor daddy
Speaker 16: went to jail, no justice all that.
Speaker 1: Later on. He wanted he I mean, he he never
Speaker 1: wanted to be poor. He never wanted his family to suffer.
Speaker 1: So he had this thing and I think he did
Speaker 1: it also to piss off his dad about badges, authorities.
Speaker 1: He would go on drug rates dressed like, you know,
Speaker 1: with a sche mask. He would. He met Nixon and
Speaker 1: got a DA badge. I think it was honorary. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he was obsessed with bad but I don't think he
Speaker 1: really like officially worked. But there's a dark side to it.
Speaker 1: I think also he liked power. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that always had, you know, only
Speaker 1: four black belts, but he was always armed to the tief.
Speaker 1: And there was one time he went commercial. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: got mad with his dad in Priscilla. They're arguing about
Speaker 1: money because he's spending money like Crazy's like a few
Speaker 1: he leaves Graceland, goes to the airport, shows up at
Speaker 1: the airport, goes to the lady and the lady's like
Speaker 1: freaking out behind the counters, like I need a ticket
Speaker 1: to LA can you just bill me? And yes, mister Presley.
Speaker 1: He goes in security, grabs them and they're like, Elvis,
Speaker 1: he got all these guns. He's like, well, can I
Speaker 1: take them on the plane And they're like, okay, if
Speaker 1: you give us an autograph and keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 1: And he went on the plane with all these guns.
Speaker 1: So he liked the power in the badge. And I
Speaker 1: think there is. Priscilla always said the reason he wanted
Speaker 1: a DA badge was because he never toured any other country.
Speaker 1: He never left the United States. True. Imagine the money
Speaker 1: the guy made four billion dollars in his career. Imagine
Speaker 1: the money he could have made in Japan, in London,
Speaker 1: all that because he didn't he wouldn't go anywhere without
Speaker 1: his guns and his pills. With a DA badge, you
Speaker 1: can take guns and drugs in and out of the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 2: So right, maybe that was a job.
Speaker 16: I don't have much involvement he had in the case,
Speaker 16: but he had an undercover FBI agent for a number
Speaker 16: of years there in the mid to late seventies and
Speaker 16: something that's called Operation Fountain pen It happened to be
Speaker 16: the most one of the most integral.
Speaker 17: Cases in FBI history because it's.
Speaker 16: Fun into things like abscam.
Speaker 17: The abscam.
Speaker 16: I don't know how much Elvis undercover had involved with that,
Speaker 16: but he at least had undercover guys on his team,
Speaker 16: you know, for for that operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It really had to do more
Speaker 1: with his dad, Vernon, because his dad was in charge
Speaker 1: of the planes and the money. Again, Elvis didn't have
Speaker 1: a wallet, no concept of money. It just wasn't you know.
Speaker 1: He said, buy me a plane, buy me a fleet
Speaker 1: of rolls Royces. So it would have to do with
Speaker 1: Vernon more than Elvis. It's not something sure was involved.
Speaker 16: They would have been in the note of something they're
Speaker 16: going on there, because that case, that case dominoed into
Speaker 16: a series of other cases over the next almost decade.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, it was a bit. It was a big thing,
Speaker 1: for sure. But I don't think Elvis was directly involved.
Speaker 1: I mean he was connected again, he was connected to
Speaker 1: the authorities, and he was connected to the mind. But
Speaker 1: to Elvis, these these were his citizens, his underlings as
Speaker 1: far as he concerned. Yeah, this is the guy that
Speaker 1: could go to the White House unannounced and get a
Speaker 1: meeting with Nixon. That's how powerful he was.
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 16: He had a very unique angle, right, He saw every
Speaker 16: every kind of every perspective right through these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he never voted. He could care less who
Speaker 1: was the president. It was just these things were irrelevant
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 8: He knew because he knew.
Speaker 3: A lot of his stories seems very much like the
Speaker 3: fool archetype or this kind of hero element of him
Speaker 3: where he ignorantly was pursuing you know, not that he
Speaker 3: didn't have alter pursuits in wanting the badges and so forth,
Speaker 3: but the part of it just seems like he's just
Speaker 3: strolling through life trying to you know, portray this you know,
Speaker 3: giver of books and knowledge and all these all these
Speaker 3: little hints of him just being this ignorant hero.
Speaker 1: I do connect him to the trickster archetype, not the
Speaker 1: king archetype. And I think that's a valid one, because
Speaker 1: he was a trickster. A trickster brings people into a
Speaker 1: new world, whether it's the Changer or the Coyota native
Speaker 1: lore or Luki or they are the gods of the doorways.
Speaker 1: The door hinge depends on Hermes. And Elvis brought this people,
Speaker 1: this country that have been decimated by the Great Depression
Speaker 1: War two and brought these people to this new era
Speaker 1: where we were the most powerful empire history had scene,
Speaker 1: you know, satellites, nuclear bombs, mass media and everybody's freaking out.
Speaker 1: And Elvis with his rock music, he and Johnny Cash
Speaker 1: and Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard with these sort
Speaker 1: of shamans who brought and gave the people medicine to
Speaker 1: be able to stand psychologically this change. I mean the
Speaker 1: tricksters at the crossroads. He was at the crossroads of
Speaker 1: the old way and this new empire, the crossloads of
Speaker 1: the old way gender saw each other and the new sexuality.
Speaker 1: Elvis taught women how to objectify men. Women suddenly had
Speaker 1: a male gaze and they can look at him and say,
Speaker 1: and this power, this kundalina, this eating of the fruit
Speaker 1: woke women up. But it taught men to be more
Speaker 1: sensitive because he looked so vulnerable, and he taught men,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to be Gary Cooper. You
Speaker 1: can be like me or Marlon Brando, soft and sensitive.
Speaker 1: He taught. He brought people to the crossroads of the
Speaker 1: old religions to all this new spirituality, this new music.
Speaker 1: Were oh my god, we can listen to African American
Speaker 1: music and Hispanic music. I mean, he was the lord
Speaker 1: of the crosslers and the trickster. That's what the trickster does.
Speaker 1: And again I feel like he is a trickster because
Speaker 1: if this is United States, I don't know what our
Speaker 1: next incarnation is going to be. But the trickster is
Speaker 1: the one that takes us and if you trust the trickster,
Speaker 1: you're going to be alright. If not, bad things are
Speaker 1: going to happen.
Speaker 12: I feel like he used his music as like a
Speaker 12: spiritual kind of modality. I don't I was gonna say earlier.
Speaker 12: I don't know if he wrote his own stuff.
Speaker 1: But he No. That's a good point though. I think
Speaker 1: when we see rock music as a spirituality, it makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense because again, these guys like Johnny Cash and Elvis,
Speaker 1: there were pastors. The term rock and rolling started in
Speaker 1: Pentecostal churches when people would be grabbed by the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 1: it the'd be like shaking. And then when rock music
Speaker 1: came out, these music critics would go to these concerts say,
Speaker 1: this is like a Holy ten revival. What's going on?
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. They're not handling snakes and doing
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, but they're like shaking and going crazy.
Speaker 1: So and rock music really is a fusion, as many
Speaker 1: critics of notice notice, it's of gospel music and the blues.
Speaker 1: And by the blues, I mean the devilish trickster, African animals,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and Elvis always said I carry heaven and
Speaker 1: Hell with me and I got and I got about
Speaker 1: what you meant, gospel music, heaven, the blues hell, this
Speaker 1: fusion that was rock music, shamanistic, altered states, and it
Speaker 1: was a way to sort of free people and help people.
Speaker 1: As the United States came into is its new identity?
Speaker 1: Is this amazing empire that nobody had seen? As I show,
Speaker 1: you know, using the work of Chris Knowles, you've got
Speaker 1: like here's technology in human history. Oh look, the Samerians
Speaker 1: kind of popped. Then we're putt putt, putt putt. But
Speaker 1: then in nineteen late forties, fifties, we shoot up like
Speaker 1: never before, nobody's ever seen that we have it, and
Speaker 1: we kind of stopped in the twenty first century. What happened,
Speaker 1: aliens not I mean, whatever happened, It was a mind
Speaker 1: blown kind of thing. And you almost needed that trickster energy,
Speaker 1: that spirituality as a coping skill. And he never answered
Speaker 1: your question. He never wrote songs because with Elvis, it
Speaker 1: was all about feeling the energy. He always said, I
Speaker 1: can feel like in gospel music, in the blues, the
Speaker 1: plight of the black person, who's disenfranchised, who's homeless. I
Speaker 1: feel that energy or gospel music, I feel these people
Speaker 1: crying out for Christ in the you know in the
Speaker 1: fields and all that. So Elvis was always about getting
Speaker 1: some music and making it its own and making.
Speaker 12: It so unique beautiful, actually, isn't it. I was raised Pentecostal.
Speaker 12: I can get on board with that.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, was he exposed to that stuff?
Speaker 8: Huh?
Speaker 2: He was exposed to that stuff, wasn't he? As a younger?
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 12: Gerry Lee was Jerry Lee came from gospel too.
Speaker 1: They're all Pentecostals. And again, as scholars have said, Pentecostalism
Speaker 1: is Christian mystery school, Shamanism are altered states of mind,
Speaker 1: healing your body, your mind, and that's what these guys were.
Speaker 12: That's one hundred du should have you should have seen
Speaker 12: the people at my church. They would be rolling around
Speaker 12: and shouting and jumping.
Speaker 13: I mean, I loved it.
Speaker 12: I thought it was great. As a kid, I'd look
Speaker 12: forward to going to church.
Speaker 13: I'd even get in on it. But it's, uh, yeah,
Speaker 13: it's it's cool.
Speaker 12: I like where you went with that, because it does
Speaker 12: sound like that, you know, gospel bluesy kind of cool sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people used to remember Pentecostal. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: people hated the blues in the forties, not just the whites,
Speaker 1: black proper black people hated the Blues because it was
Speaker 1: so corruptive and dangerous. But they had a problem with
Speaker 1: Pentecostalism too, because they used to say, these Pentecostals, they're
Speaker 1: mixing Jesus and sex, that's all they're doing. And that
Speaker 1: became rock and roll.
Speaker 15: Well in Memphis.
Speaker 14: When you get into that Memphis area, just what is
Speaker 14: it west they call uh hell in the Arkansas area
Speaker 14: West Memphis, which is basically where Robert Johnson went out
Speaker 14: and went to the crossroads and you know, signed the
Speaker 14: deal with Papa Eggba and came back. So that whole
Speaker 14: area is kind of really just uh you know, like
Speaker 14: a like a prime place you know, for for this, Yeah,
Speaker 14: this energetic kind of you know music.
Speaker 1: And guess what, Robert Johnson he died the same day
Speaker 1: Elvis died. I bet they both.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, they died on the same day.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Robert Johnson was like a million years old.
Speaker 15: He was twenty seven. He was the first twenty seven.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I know, But I thought like it was
Speaker 12: like a million years ago that he did that, because
Speaker 12: all the pictures you see of him are like black
Speaker 12: and white, like holding a guitar. It just looks super
Speaker 12: old to me. I thought it was like in the
Speaker 12: thirties or something. But no, Yeah, I saw that recording
Speaker 12: studio in Memphis, and I always thought it was kind
Speaker 12: of in your face a little bit, like with what
Speaker 12: they had going.
Speaker 15: On, and it's the same studio.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say, with that, with all the
Speaker 9: anthroposophy and everything, do you think he ever like channeled anything,
Speaker 9: you know where he would act completely different.
Speaker 8: I mean obviously he knew, he obviously knew how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he certainly had altered states
Speaker 1: of mind. Again, the astral travel he would do a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could change. He had the power to read minds.
Speaker 1: People would be freaked out because he could. He could
Speaker 1: read you, you know, exactly what you're thinking, what you're
Speaker 1: going to do. When he was in a bad mood,
Speaker 1: he had a way of just crushing your soul, which
Speaker 1: he got it from his mother. You know these people
Speaker 1: they walk into the room and you can feel him
Speaker 1: just suck all the energy up. His mother could do
Speaker 1: it to anybody, no matter how rich they were, when
Speaker 1: you were poor. And yeah, he had really powerful abilities.
Speaker 7: So what was in your opinion, what do you think
Speaker 7: I know you mentioned Theosophy before. What do you think
Speaker 7: was like some of his I guess major influences.
Speaker 1: He came to the occult, Oh my god, everything you
Speaker 1: name it. Yeah, Theosophy. He Lovedanda Manly p Hall, but
Speaker 1: he got into really anything. Khalilki brains, a prophet, gerjiev
Speaker 1: Hermann essay, he read Albert Pike, He loved morals and dogma.
Speaker 1: I mean again, this guy was reading hundreds of books
Speaker 1: a week and he wanted to know because what happened
Speaker 1: is that he was really burned, you know, not just
Speaker 1: the death of his mother. But we have to forget
Speaker 1: Elvis came and it was like a nuclear bomb. You know,
Speaker 1: for three years he was the most famous person on earth.
Speaker 1: He was already the goat, the king of rock and roll.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, a settle, kind of like Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan or Wayne Gretzky. You just know that's it. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna come. You know it in your heart. But we
Speaker 1: have to remember that a lot of the country hated
Speaker 1: his guts. They hated how he was liberating women. How
Speaker 1: dangerous is music? I mean, the government was worried. The
Speaker 1: Christians were very pissed off. I mean his own pastor
Speaker 1: said that he'd been possessed by the devil. Billy Graham
Speaker 1: went publicly and denounced him. People like Frank Sinatra were
Speaker 1: just pissed off. I mean, he was a threat, and
Speaker 1: he was completely burned by Christianity, and so he was like,
Speaker 1: maybe these assholes are just you know, it's a bit business,
Speaker 1: and I'm really angry at And plus he had already
Speaker 1: said there's no way there's eternal hell. He'd already believed
Speaker 1: in reincarnation when he was a teenager. He just said,
Speaker 1: it's just normal. It's just logically, it's a logical thing.
Speaker 1: So he was burned, and then he became kind of
Speaker 1: after the army, he became disillusioned with his fame and
Speaker 1: all that. He met his spiritual teacher, Larry Geller, and
Speaker 1: the books that he got him gave him the Jesus
Speaker 1: he needed, which was the cosmic Jesus, the inner Christ,
Speaker 1: the wise teacher Jesus. So anywhere this Jesus was, whether
Speaker 1: it was the Gnostic Gospels or manly p hall with
Speaker 1: the mystical Christ, or Theosophy, he was so happy to learn,
Speaker 1: and he was so happy to believe that we all
Speaker 1: have Christ within us. We all can bring this Christ,
Speaker 1: and some do. And these are some wise people throughout
Speaker 1: history that are there for the betterment of men. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's the ascended Masters, maybe it's the Freema says, maybe
Speaker 1: it's Buddhas or ast Jesus. But he was so happy
Speaker 1: that there was hope and we all had a Christ
Speaker 1: power within us. And he always hoped that he perhaps
Speaker 1: could be this next religious teacher, but he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to do it. He had to have the call until
Speaker 1: I was self actualized would he do it? And it
Speaker 1: never happened. But he was so hopeful. So all these
Speaker 1: traditions and it went to the east could be Daoism.
Speaker 1: Buddhism gave him this hope, this idea of Christ's consciousness
Speaker 1: and a way to get closer to God and also
Speaker 1: answer the big questions because he always wondered, well, why
Speaker 1: did my twin die? We came out thirty minutes apart,
Speaker 1: Why did he die? Why was I born poor? If
Speaker 1: I'd been rich, we could have afforded a hospital and
Speaker 1: st I had at home? Why did I get stinking rich?
Speaker 1: But other people in the South are forgotten and they
Speaker 1: lived in Squalor, so he was always trying to figure
Speaker 1: out the nature, evil and God and all that.
Speaker 8: Was there an issue with the second baby's delivery.
Speaker 9: Was there like a placenta detachment possibly, and that's why
Speaker 9: she couldn't have any more kids.
Speaker 8: Do you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we know. I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good question, but.
Speaker 8: I am a nurse. I was just kidding, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But one thing you find out is that if
Speaker 1: you grew up in the Great Depression in the South,
Speaker 1: you were forgotten. Doesn't matter what race you were. It
Speaker 1: was horrible. It was like North Korea living so records
Speaker 1: aren't bad. And these people, like they said, where Elvis lived,
Speaker 1: it was on the wrong side of the wrong side
Speaker 1: of the tracks, so there was not records. He couldn't
Speaker 1: afford They couldn't afford a hospital, so they had to
Speaker 1: have it in his little house. That was probably not
Speaker 1: a midwife. Jesse came first, right, Jesse came first. He
Speaker 1: came out stillborn. Elvis came out thirty five minutes later.
Speaker 1: They put him in an oven because they were so parent,
Speaker 1: they heated it up, that's how paranoid. Then they went
Speaker 1: to the hospital and then they simply told Gladys, that's it,
Speaker 1: You're done. So that was It was a horrible existence
Speaker 1: because there was one time when Elvis had a fever
Speaker 1: and tonsilitis and they went to the doctor's like, I
Speaker 1: can't do anything for you. So they had to do
Speaker 1: like a prayer circle around them and in a few
Speaker 1: hours they healed them. So you wonder why these people
Speaker 1: were leaning so much on the Holy Spirit a lot,
Speaker 1: because it's it's amazing this happened in this country. I
Speaker 1: still even when I went to Mississippi. I went to Memphis,
Speaker 1: driving through Mississippi, I'm like, God, damn, what's wrong with
Speaker 1: this country. These people are forgotten. These people deserve better.
Speaker 1: We have all this money for wars, but we have
Speaker 1: these people in places like Mississippi, good people, and they're
Speaker 1: just they're forgotten.
Speaker 14: And Elvis, yeah, projects with no doors in the windows.
Speaker 14: It's yeah, pretty bad.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's incredible.
Speaker 17: Man.
Speaker 3: I add on something some of the themes of what
Speaker 3: you've been saying, Miguel Is, I think he really kind
Speaker 3: of did succeed as you're describing his initiate character of
Speaker 3: that trickster god in a lot of ways. As we
Speaker 3: refer to the politics of the nation. Back then it
Speaker 3: was divided in a very physical, ordained manner, and really
Speaker 3: like we couldn't even conceptualize combining Karate with Hinduism and
Speaker 3: all the and Manly p Hall and all these things
Speaker 3: that he was combining in what we consider today to
Speaker 3: be a really Americana kind of thing, but back then
Speaker 3: it wasn't. And as occultist, I think we all embody
Speaker 3: finding at least the comparative, if not the syncretic, which
Speaker 3: he actually put forth, a syncretic esoteric possibility like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I can be like Bruce Lee and Manley p Hall
Speaker 3: or what have you? Even a baseball player and kung
Speaker 3: fu any number of things. So he really, in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways did initiate us into that potential.
Speaker 1: Well said, no, I couldn't have said it better. True. Again,
Speaker 1: he was the lord of the crossroads. He brought all
Speaker 1: this stuff, made it acceptable, even black music. He did
Speaker 1: something that almost got him killed. He dated a black
Speaker 1: girl in high school right the sheriffs almost ended his life.
Speaker 1: He would go if he wanted to listen to gospel music,
Speaker 1: black house, he would go to this church. He was
Speaker 1: the one at the back isolated, segregated from the congrege.
Speaker 1: And he didn't care because he was like, this shit
Speaker 1: is good. I don't give a shit, and he brought
Speaker 1: it out. You know, it's same with spirituality, like I said,
Speaker 1: martial arts so much and even the media. Elvis knew
Speaker 1: how to use media and technology. He knew the importance
Speaker 1: of TV, satellites, the jukebox. You know. He made it
Speaker 1: cool for the population to say, hey, this is not so,
Speaker 1: let's embrace this stuff. Let's and let's see it.
Speaker 12: What did he do with like these extraterrestrial encounters. Did
Speaker 12: he like try to tell people about him? Was it
Speaker 12: like hush hush, Like I think that's kind of dope,
Speaker 12: Like Elvis, you know, King of Rock, extraterrestrial, extraordinary shaman, occultist,
Speaker 12: Like what the heck?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And he had a great voice. Sorry, right, they're excited,
Speaker 1: but no. He again, he was so ahead of the
Speaker 1: curve when it came to UFOs. By the sixties, he
Speaker 1: believed in let's keep you quiet. By the sixties he
Speaker 1: already thought had very sophisticated views on UFOs. For example,
Speaker 1: he was one of the first people to read Vondanikin's
Speaker 1: Chariots of the gods. So he's like, maybe we are
Speaker 1: ancient aliens. He said, he very much was voiced, very loudly,
Speaker 1: how the aliens by where were us from destroying ourselves?
Speaker 1: And he believed in the star seed. I mean, these
Speaker 1: were ideas like us that he sort of balanced out.
Speaker 1: He'd read Ezekiel. He read Ezekiel, and he's like, these
Speaker 1: these wheels gotta be aliens. So very he read the
Speaker 1: Book of Enoch and wondered, well, maybe they're aliens, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of today where the religion and eufology are no
Speaker 1: longer separated. Back then it was very separated. He was
Speaker 1: one of the first pioneers to do that. And he
Speaker 1: always talked to you know. Again, he had his experiences
Speaker 1: of seeing Eufo's lights and all that. He added with
Speaker 1: his bodyguards as spiritual teachers, so he would talk to
Speaker 1: them about it. But he'd never made it like he
Speaker 1: never went to the press or anything like that. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: He used to say, yeah, even me, They'll think I'm
Speaker 1: crazy and put me away. And so he was very,
Speaker 1: very sophisticated in how we saw eupology. He read the
Speaker 1: Book of Urantia, he read, Yeah, he was very versed
Speaker 1: in the whole UFO thing, very very.
Speaker 12: So did he think we like, did he believe in
Speaker 12: heaven and stuff? Like, we're what did What were his
Speaker 12: thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, that's a good one he thought, And it's
Speaker 1: actually similar to what the Gnostics thought. He thought, you
Speaker 1: are incarnated, but it's all your choice or adventure. If
Speaker 1: you choose the material path every reincarnation, you're gonna go down, down, down,
Speaker 1: and eventually just poof disintegrate. But if you keep getting
Speaker 1: better every life, eventually you'll reach whatever, the light, God,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. So it's a very
Speaker 1: sophisticated I think the Gnostics had that idea that you know,
Speaker 1: it's your choice, you get to choose, nobody else chooses
Speaker 1: what's going to happen.
Speaker 12: So do you think like Lisa Marie like in her
Speaker 12: mom obviously, like you think growing up with this guy
Speaker 12: as a dad, you might have some of these same
Speaker 12: like beliefs and stuff. But they went totally left, they
Speaker 12: went scientology. It just seems odd to me. It's like
Speaker 12: if you had a cool dad like this literally it's
Speaker 12: Elvis And then she married Michael Jackson for a while,
Speaker 12: Like I don't know what's going on with her, but scientology,
Speaker 12: Like really, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: They were predators and he made more sense, yeah than
Speaker 1: the marriage with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 8: I was like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 13: Like, literally, what is going on with her?
Speaker 17: Aliens?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah she was but she was a young kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was young. And uh, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: for Priscilla. When you look at Elvis fandom, he is Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair or not. It's kind
Speaker 1: of if you guys watch up Breaking Bad. You ever
Speaker 1: noticed everybody hates Skyler, but that's the last person you
Speaker 1: should hate. It's like there's so many other villains. You know,
Speaker 1: Walter White is far more evil than his wife. But
Speaker 1: so I try not to judge, but list about Priscilla
Speaker 1: is seen as almost the devil with in the Elvis fandom,
Speaker 1: Lady Macbeth narcissist.
Speaker 8: So she did have that red hair.
Speaker 1: Though. Maybe you had to survive Elvis because when you
Speaker 1: lived with Elvis, it was always chaos every day. I
Speaker 1: mean there was press, celebrities, always something going on. Elvis
Speaker 1: was always out of control and he did what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I mean he'd do stuff like he'd
Speaker 1: wake up and say, I'm in the mood for this
Speaker 1: peanut butter bright peanut butter sandwich in Denver. You know,
Speaker 1: light up the planes. We're leaving in an hour. That's
Speaker 1: a kind of life he led. It was just Vegas.
Speaker 1: It was constant chaos. To be in Elvis's orbit, regardless
Speaker 1: whether you're a bodyguard a family member, was just it
Speaker 1: was out of control. It was exhaust It was wonderful,
Speaker 1: it was a bless but you could barely. I think
Speaker 1: that's the reason people didn't say more, because it was
Speaker 1: just there was so much going on. How could you
Speaker 1: even stop to talk to the press about UFOs or something.
Speaker 13: It's yeah, she.
Speaker 12: In her book, she kind of makes him sound like
Speaker 12: a real pos I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 13: Like when I read her book, I was like, fuck this.
Speaker 12: Guy, like this guy which one Lisa Priscilla or Priscilla's book.
Speaker 13: It was kind of like, I mean, obviously there's.
Speaker 12: After I read her book, I was like, oh, hell
Speaker 12: though some of the stuffy like you know, but you
Speaker 12: get to a certain point where if you get married
Speaker 12: that young and you have that weird lifestyle, you're gonna
Speaker 12: at some point not like each other anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you have to and also you have
Speaker 1: to take it with a grain of salt. Like there's
Speaker 1: this in the first edition of her book. There's a
Speaker 1: scene where before they broke up, Elvis essayed her that
Speaker 1: she backtracked and took it out because she said, I
Speaker 1: was just angry at him. And then there's a like
Speaker 1: another one where she says, Elvis always wanted me to
Speaker 1: have a buffont and you control whatever.
Speaker 13: Yes, she did say that, but when you.
Speaker 1: Look at pictures of her, she's got her hair down
Speaker 1: at the press or she'd say Elvis didn't let allow
Speaker 1: me to leave Graceland. But there's pictures of her in
Speaker 1: New York and Jet saying so again, you know things
Speaker 1: that happened between couples. Yeah, you want to take aside.
Speaker 1: I try not to, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was abusive, she was abusive. He was not faithful,
Speaker 1: she was not faithful. It's a I don't know there
Speaker 1: there again, Elvis was cursed.
Speaker 8: And she was.
Speaker 12: I was going to say, I mean, she was so young,
Speaker 12: so so young when they got married. And obviously if
Speaker 12: it's like that thing, like if everybody wants to screw
Speaker 12: your husband, I mean, that's that's that's not a good
Speaker 12: place to be.
Speaker 8: Well, he didn't want to give it to her, So.
Speaker 12: That's what I'm saying is like it's like everybody wants
Speaker 12: to screw him and I can't even get any Like
Speaker 12: what is this about?
Speaker 8: Master came in?
Speaker 12: You're right, probably some of his spiritual beliefs.
Speaker 1: Margaret and she's at home.
Speaker 12: Do you think but do you think that's part of
Speaker 12: his spiritualism or do you think that's part of like
Speaker 12: him running around on her? Because I've always heard like,
Speaker 12: you shouldn't give up your life essence. Every time you
Speaker 12: sleep with somebody, you're giving up like your life essence.
Speaker 12: This is like a big spirituality thing. And he really
Speaker 12: didn't have sex with Priscilla, like hardly ever maybe to
Speaker 12: have Lisa Marie and then that was it.
Speaker 8: After that, didn't he do sex? Magic though?
Speaker 17: With?
Speaker 20: Right up?
Speaker 13: Like there's gotta be something to that.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, here's one. Yeah, one theory states again because
Speaker 1: remember he's got the mommy issue, bad mommy issues. So
Speaker 1: it is said that he could not have sex with
Speaker 1: women who had conceived children too much of a mother archetype.
Speaker 1: That was an issue. Now and there are some there's
Speaker 1: evidence for it, but then there's evidence like Priscilla was
Speaker 1: in Peters Morgan and she talked about when he went
Speaker 1: to Vegas in the seventies they had the best fling ever.
Speaker 1: So it's hard, but that was an issue too, they
Speaker 1: say with Elvis. And also you have to think too
Speaker 1: is people who lose their twins at a young age.
Speaker 1: Twin less survivors are always they're very they're workaholics, they
Speaker 1: are seekers, but they are very self destructive, addiction prone
Speaker 1: and can never have normal relationships. Then, of course horse
Speaker 1: is a problem. People who have enmeshment issues, lethal enmeshment issues,
Speaker 1: same thing. They have a propensity for addiction, they're self
Speaker 1: destructive and they can't have normal relations So Elvis had
Speaker 1: the double whammy of you know what I mean and
Speaker 1: even admitted I think in like before he died, he
Speaker 1: looked at his friend Charlie Hodges and he quoted from Khalil,
Speaker 1: your brain's love. You know, love will crown you and
Speaker 1: crucify it. And he told them I realized, I'm forty
Speaker 1: two and I've never been able. I've never loved a
Speaker 1: woman properly. I can't believe I've just learning this now,
Speaker 1: he was going to get married to gingder Alden, but
Speaker 1: he finally had forty two was like, holy mother, I've
Speaker 1: just wasted my entire life and I've got to fix this.
Speaker 1: But you know, time around now I'm shocked.
Speaker 9: I'm shocked he didn't marry an older woman with his
Speaker 9: whole situation with the end.
Speaker 12: Well, it'd have to be an older woman who never conceived.
Speaker 12: There's a lot of them out the well in that
Speaker 12: look like his mom, who'd never can see who was
Speaker 12: in ritualism.
Speaker 7: That's a very very it's just like such a small slover.
Speaker 2: The population to choose from right there.
Speaker 12: So you said, like he predicted his death, and he
Speaker 12: would like who did he tell?
Speaker 13: Did he like have journals or something that somebody went
Speaker 13: back and read, or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he told people things he was like doing. He
Speaker 1: was acting differently, like making sure that documents and contracts
Speaker 1: were set. He remembered telling a friend out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: you know, angels fly because they take themselves so lightly.
Speaker 1: And the way he said it to his friend freaked
Speaker 1: him out. He would drive from Memphis to Mississippi with
Speaker 1: a friend at night and he would be looking under
Speaker 1: the house for his lost marbles, just very strange behavior.
Speaker 1: And he he dropped all these hints and I showed
Speaker 1: them in the book. But the most obvious one is
Speaker 1: two days before he passed, he was in his room
Speaker 1: just you know, on drugs and pain, just in his bed.
Speaker 1: But he was reading all these occult books and the
Speaker 1: Bible and all that. And his stepbrother David Stanley, called
Speaker 1: his stepbrother, David Stanley to talk to him. His stepbrother
Speaker 1: needed advice. And then he turned to his brother and
Speaker 1: he said, I want to tell you something. In two days,
Speaker 1: I am going to be on a higher plane. And
Speaker 1: his stepbrothers, yeah, we got to catch a plane to
Speaker 1: Portland for the concert. And Elvis like rolled his eyes like,
Speaker 1: hey pearls, you know, pearls for pigs, and you know,
Speaker 1: said I love you and I'll talk to you. But
Speaker 1: he was right. Two days he was not around.
Speaker 12: That's kind of crazy, actually, because I thought he was
Speaker 12: like at the end of his life, he was kind
Speaker 12: of like sat and bloated and useless.
Speaker 13: Sorry go ahead to Ethan, Oh no.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sorry, my computer was lacking. I heard a
Speaker 3: rumor that he also had some experiences when he was
Speaker 3: a child. Obviously these would be more difficult to corroborate.
Speaker 3: But were there stories about these UFO experiences when he
Speaker 3: was a child, and can you break down the Lenin
Speaker 3: and Jesus cloud formation? Did you hear about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't heard anything about UFOs when he was
Speaker 1: a child, So that one I haven't heard. What was
Speaker 1: the second question? Before the Lenin one?
Speaker 3: I saw when he was driving between Memphis and LA
Speaker 3: that he saw a cloud formation of Lenin and then Jesus.
Speaker 3: If that's I believe right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. He was He had been practicing spirituality.
Speaker 1: He was very earnest and reading a lot, and are
Speaker 1: driving from Memphis to LA. He didn't like to fly
Speaker 1: for some reason for years, so they drive these mobile
Speaker 1: homes and he was driving and he was frustrated and
Speaker 1: he got angry at his spiritual teacher and said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this thing. I don't feel I'm getting closer
Speaker 1: to God. And his teacher said, gave him the zen
Speaker 1: parable where the teacher puts and tells the student to
Speaker 1: port and the water comes out and the students like
Speaker 1: freaking out, and said, yes, your cup is too full.
Speaker 1: The only way for God to come in is you
Speaker 1: got to empty yourself. So you need to chill out
Speaker 1: with the studying and all that and just let God
Speaker 1: come to you when he's ready. So then they had
Speaker 1: this discussion. They're driving through Arizona and he and his
Speaker 1: spiritual teacher, Larry Gilli, look up and they both see
Speaker 1: the clouds are forming and it turns into the ultimate
Speaker 1: visage of evil, which back then was not letting. It
Speaker 1: was Stalin, So it became the face of Stalin mocking
Speaker 1: and always pulls to one side. Remember there's a whole
Speaker 1: convoy of these. And he runs into the desert with
Speaker 1: Larry and he's like facing this thing, and Elvis is
Speaker 1: basically saying, you know, I just realized I am not empty,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of evil in me, and how
Speaker 1: evil is showing itself in the world, in the in
Speaker 1: the sky. So he went to this this demon or whatever.
Speaker 1: He said, look, if this evil is within me, destroy me,
Speaker 1: I get it, take me off the chessboard. I wasn't
Speaker 1: able to do it this lifetime. I'm humbly, you know,
Speaker 1: bowing down. And then suddenly this evil went down into
Speaker 1: but turned into Jesus, and he was filled with the
Speaker 1: power of Christ and he felt this bliss that he
Speaker 1: had never felt before. And again his friend Larry was
Speaker 1: there and they both started hugging each other, and like Elvis,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll never doubt. I know there is a God.
Speaker 1: I know there is a purpose. So it was a
Speaker 1: very powerful mystic experience that again, you know, kept him
Speaker 1: going and kept him with his study for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life. And like I say in the book,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because philip Ate Dick, not too far away
Speaker 1: around that time, had the same vision, except Dick was
Speaker 1: walking to a place he used to write and he
Speaker 1: looked up and then the clouds formed into this metallic
Speaker 1: demiurge creature looking down on him, laughing at him, and
Speaker 1: Dig freaked out and ran off. And the parallels that
Speaker 1: they both it brought him closer to Jesus, and it
Speaker 1: brought him closer to studying the occult. So interesting parallels
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: One thing I.
Speaker 7: Wanted to ask is the guy I heard you bring
Speaker 7: up it's probably in the book as well, is his
Speaker 7: lightning bolt symbolism. I think you said it kind of
Speaker 7: came from It might have been Marvel, which had a cult,
Speaker 7: you know, connotations behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of his big heroes was
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel. He was a big comic book reader. And
Speaker 1: by Captain Marvel, I don't mean like the one we
Speaker 1: know today, the one that you've seen in the movies
Speaker 1: that well you do the Shazam. That's who Captain Marvel
Speaker 1: was in the forties and fifties. And the light has
Speaker 1: the lightning bulb. It's a Shazam. And of all the
Speaker 1: heroes that became what he idolized, he was open about
Speaker 1: it was Captain Marvel. That's the most occult hero. This
Speaker 1: is a being. You have. This guy go sees a
Speaker 1: wizard and the wizard gives him the power of Solomon
Speaker 1: and Hercules and Atlas and Ermes and he says, says
Speaker 1: am and suddenly and Elvis just loved it. He used
Speaker 1: to think it was a story of, you know, especially
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel junior, of a kid who can turn into superhero.
Speaker 1: And he sort of always said if he can turn
Speaker 1: into superhero, I can. But he cheat. He did choose
Speaker 1: the most magical one and it kept him.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lightning Bult became like his logo, He's taking
Speaker 1: care of business and the Lightning Bult. It was extremely important.
Speaker 1: And when you look at his Vegas costume. It makes
Speaker 1: sense because when you see him with the short cape
Speaker 1: and everything else, you realize, wait, as he's dressing up
Speaker 1: like Shazam, that's which he was. It was like his hero.
Speaker 1: So it's a Captain Marvel. Is fascinating because the writer
Speaker 1: behind Captain Marvel or Shazam Odo Binder, This guy was
Speaker 1: steeped into eufology and the occult and all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating connection. And I'm writing now to the
Speaker 1: other book, Elvis two point zero, which is David Bowie,
Speaker 1: where I just realized they're both the same character.
Speaker 7: If you think he influenced David Bowie, I was actually
Speaker 7: going to ask.
Speaker 1: You that, oh he is the light blow too, blow
Speaker 1: by blow. I mean, Bowie knew they knew each other.
Speaker 1: Bowie knew what Elvis was doing and tapped into the
Speaker 1: same powers. In fact, Captain Marvel is behind Bowie too,
Speaker 1: Elvis Captain Marvel. There's this very weird nexus with Elvis Bowie,
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel, Philip K. Dick and Ridley Scott that is,
Speaker 1: and William Burrows and all these cats, and it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty well, it's pure magic. It's almost like their own
Speaker 1: secret society.
Speaker 12: I've always thought that about Marvel. They put so much
Speaker 12: stuff in those movies. I mean it's almost like ridiculous.
Speaker 12: There's even the spinoff shows.
Speaker 13: I don't know if you watched any of them.
Speaker 12: They're all like on the Disney Plus or whatever. There's
Speaker 12: one called Moon Night and it's so oh my goodness,
Speaker 12: it's just retarded with it.
Speaker 13: But so you think, like David Bowie, he was like
Speaker 13: on the same kind of like.
Speaker 12: Spiritual wave of because he had kind of like an
Speaker 12: alter ego, right, Ziggy Stardust and many.
Speaker 2: Great white dudes, they reinvented themselves over and over and
Speaker 2: over again. Actually, Elvis and David.
Speaker 1: Bow very true. I mean it's almost like and Bowie
Speaker 1: admits it. When he started wearing Ziggy Starduck with the jumpsuits,
Speaker 1: He's like, Elvis, you know, it was always I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tap into the same magic. I mean, Bowie saw him
Speaker 1: in concert, and Bowie he went to his wife and
Speaker 1: he's like, wow, women are just throwing themselves at him,
Speaker 1: and his wife is like, just the first time you
Speaker 1: noticed that Elvis was sexy. And Bowie's like, yes, but
Speaker 1: now I know how and you know, and Elvis sent
Speaker 1: them notes. And the great secret is that before Elvis died,
Speaker 1: he actually called David Bowie said would you produce my
Speaker 1: next album? And Bowie was like, shit, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. You know, Bowie was just completely crushed. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the parallels between them two is it's very freaky, and
Speaker 1: there were influences a lot of the same books that
Speaker 1: were reading, and it's almost, yeah, two Tricksters, two Starman.
Speaker 1: If you know what I mean to space age messiahs,
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 12: I think Bowie kind of wore it more openly though.
Speaker 12: I always had such a thing for him because he
Speaker 12: was like magical almost, like even his songs and like
Speaker 12: some of the lyrics are just like Starman. I always
Speaker 12: loved him, but Elvis kind of kept it more under wraps.
Speaker 12: I guess that's why I never knew this stuff about him,
Speaker 12: because if you look at his songs really there they
Speaker 12: are like the more like handholdy kind of bubblegum stuff.
Speaker 12: So and then you look at David Bowie and it's like,
Speaker 12: I think I just astro projected after that album.
Speaker 1: Like you all of not.
Speaker 21: When Elvis got into that Egyptian deal, though, he got
Speaker 21: and then I think they're just selling the sacred feminine,
Speaker 21: Like honestly, the way they're dressing everything, like they're just.
Speaker 22: What are some of his like topics besides that, like
Speaker 22: his like his hits that were besides like returned to
Speaker 22: Cinder and like stuff like that, Like what what we're
Speaker 22: like his egyptiany ones.
Speaker 13: Well, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: Again, if Elvis was looking at the powers underneath them,
Speaker 1: that's what he wanted to make it himself and to
Speaker 1: show these emotions. Again, his concerts were like Dionysian festivals
Speaker 1: where women were sometimes almost tore him apart. You know,
Speaker 1: when David Bowie found that secret he had women also
Speaker 1: just doing that. But it's really not You have to
Speaker 1: listen to some of his gospel music, Like I would
Speaker 1: advise you guys listen to the Life version of American
Speaker 1: Trilogy and he'll be like, now I know what it
Speaker 1: is to be an American. It's so touching. He talks
Speaker 1: about the cotton fields and struggling in the working class,
Speaker 1: and he makes it in a way that only Elvis
Speaker 1: could do it, or some like how great thou art?
Speaker 1: You feel this power that's just beyond you. I think
Speaker 1: that's Heartbreak Hotel, his first single, which people like John
Speaker 1: Lennon and Bob Dylan said when they heard that song
Speaker 1: it was like a spiritual awakening. Is a song about suicide.
Speaker 1: You know, it's about a guy who was into a
Speaker 1: hotel room. It's like I'm done. It's a very existentialist song.
Speaker 1: So you see this sort of yeah, you see this
Speaker 1: hidden all over the place, and a lot of his
Speaker 1: music and he had a couple of social songs If
Speaker 1: I Can Dream, beautiful song that he wrote in the ghetto,
Speaker 1: very powerful song. There's Yeah, there's something about Elvis. It's
Speaker 1: almost like you hear it for the first time and
Speaker 1: it's always new. I mean, the only thing, the only
Speaker 1: thing I can think of, because we all want newness,
Speaker 1: we want something like I've never heard this before. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm reborn. It's fresh. Like first time I
Speaker 1: ever heard Running with the Devil by Van Halen, I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this. I've never heard this. I've
Speaker 1: never heard a sound like that, or Jimmy Hendrix. You
Speaker 1: hear his riffs and you go, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is new. There is something new under the sun, and
Speaker 1: it just revitalized it. I feel that with Elvis, and
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, Bowie too. It's like they're
Speaker 1: tapping deep like David Gilmour. You're like you're tapping deep
Speaker 1: into another realm, into an archetypal place, and you're bring
Speaker 1: these energies up. Elvis could just do it with his voice,
Speaker 1: but these guys could do it with their guitar.
Speaker 13: And his body too. Holy crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Well, and also with Elvis, he kind of, you know,
Speaker 14: crossed all the musical genres rockabilly, you know, surf music, gospel, country,
Speaker 14: rock and roll. Like I mean, he pretty much proliferated,
Speaker 14: you know, all the tendrils, you know, throw.
Speaker 1: Them all together in a stew and just said, this
Speaker 1: is it heaven and hell.
Speaker 13: I feel like him off a little bit. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 17: Oh well, you're probably right.
Speaker 16: A lot of people I think gripped him off a
Speaker 16: little bit, you know what I mean, because he had
Speaker 16: an unrivaled stage presence.
Speaker 17: Maybe it was magical, who.
Speaker 8: Knows, Maybe he had a talisman in his pocket.
Speaker 1: Happy to see me, That's what I still said. But
Speaker 1: but it was all natural. He was, I mean, his
Speaker 1: hips and everything was nerves. If you look at the
Speaker 1: bass luma, he wasn't trying it just he was so nervous.
Speaker 1: He was an introvert. That's the thing that's freaky. He
Speaker 1: liked even later in his career, just he could sit
Speaker 1: outside in his yard and stare at the sky for hours.
Speaker 1: He liked being alone and he got his he loved
Speaker 1: being alone. So the fact he could just turn into
Speaker 1: this idol, this dionysis kind of figure, just off the bat.
Speaker 1: I mean, even Jim Morrison was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: just copied Elvis because he had that. I hate to
Speaker 1: say that it quality that cliche, but if you could say,
Speaker 1: if there's an in quality, he had it it was
Speaker 1: beyond this world.
Speaker 12: I don't know if I was going to say something,
Speaker 12: but I just wanted to ask you too, because there
Speaker 12: was something I read. I can't remember where it was
Speaker 12: now about him, but it was like he like the
Speaker 12: introverted thing, like he didn't want to be around people,
Speaker 12: and like he would like lock himself in his room
Speaker 12: and stuff. Like he almost like suffered from depression and
Speaker 12: stuff like that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he struggled again. Those demons got him at the end.
Speaker 1: He just couldn't shake off the death of his mother,
Speaker 1: Jesse's divorce from Priscilla the addictions. I mean, it really
Speaker 1: got to him. But he loved being alone. One of
Speaker 1: his favord rituals. He could sit alone in his room
Speaker 1: with a candle and he could meditate himself back in
Speaker 1: the womb, and he can go even deeper into creation.
Speaker 1: So he had all these exercises, and I mean they
Speaker 1: say on his fortieth birthday, his girlfriend said he just
Speaker 1: sat alone in his room. He just didn't feel like cell.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big themes of the book
Speaker 1: is that of Paul. I get this from Paul Levy
Speaker 1: his books on Watiko is the wounded healer. You find
Speaker 1: in many cultures around the world, all over the globe.
Speaker 1: The shaman is somebody who's been broken, they've had a
Speaker 1: near death experience, they've had trauma, they're diseased, and this
Speaker 1: opens the channels of communication and this person becomes the
Speaker 1: shaman and they can heal you, not despite their wounds
Speaker 1: and their trauma, but because of it. And they feel
Speaker 1: in their heads that if I heal my trauma, I
Speaker 1: will lose my powers and I can't serve the tribe,
Speaker 1: I can't be the person who heals you. And it's
Speaker 1: very tragic, and you see that I mean we see
Speaker 1: that with rock stars all the time. They're tragedy, they're wounds.
Speaker 1: We know they're going to die and implode, but they
Speaker 1: keep healing us and giving us good music. And that's
Speaker 1: the wounded healer trope. And in fact, as I show
Speaker 1: in my book, in certain cultures, the shaman always ends
Speaker 1: up as a drug addict, broken down, fat old guy,
Speaker 1: because not only are you the wounded healer, but you're
Speaker 1: carrying these energies, these powers. You're going to the spirit
Speaker 1: world there you bingo exactly, and it just destroys you.
Speaker 1: And the tribe's like, well, that's your job, you know,
Speaker 1: you need a shaman. And the shaman's like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I signed up for. I'm going to die young.
Speaker 1: But what you know, it's party. It just happened. And
Speaker 1: I say, Elvis was our shaman. He was the one
Speaker 1: that had to pay the price to heal us.
Speaker 7: Oh you know you had mentioned real real quick. I
Speaker 7: just kind of got lost on the thought when you
Speaker 7: mentioned it. Did you say something about him having an
Speaker 7: experience like with the womb and meditating with a candle. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I've actually mentioned that experience myself on the show a
Speaker 7: few times.
Speaker 20: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that one of my experiences was just meditating across
Speaker 7: from my candle and like, yeah to where I was like,
Speaker 7: I went somewhere else, and when I wherever, whenever I
Speaker 7: came out of my meditation, I was like, yo, that
Speaker 7: was like I honestly thought I had that experience.
Speaker 2: It was really fucking weird.
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, so when you just said that now, I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, okay, I was like, I guess I'm
Speaker 7: not the only person saying that ship.
Speaker 1: How too scared to try.
Speaker 2: It's very weird. I'm I'm sure I've probably.
Speaker 7: Mentioned it on somebody's show here actually.
Speaker 8: Talk to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I've maybe mentioned it. Well, that's
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 7: I remember having a certain visual and just like the
Speaker 7: way I felt, and afterwards, I was like, the.
Speaker 2: Only thing that makes sense is that that was like
Speaker 2: me and the womb. It was just really or It's
Speaker 2: like I had this knowing that that's what it was
Speaker 2: when I came out of the meditation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elvis was upseir. He was obsessed with birth and death.
Speaker 1: I mean he he used to go to Morgues for
Speaker 1: fun and yeah, he went with Priscilla all the time.
Speaker 13: They watch on a date.
Speaker 8: Let's yeah, he's doing somewhere there.
Speaker 13: He's a guy that one.
Speaker 1: He gets freak heer he one time they and that's.
Speaker 13: Tell me he's a necrophile.
Speaker 1: No, no, he'saw there was a dead baby and Priscilla
Speaker 1: starts crying. So they both sit there just praying forever
Speaker 1: for this child's soul to go there. And he used
Speaker 1: to have he would have. He loved watching dead people
Speaker 1: be embalmed, including friends, and he would just sit there
Speaker 1: and but but that's that's the job of the shaman.
Speaker 1: They have to know death and burial. He used to
Speaker 1: love hanging around at cemetery. He's a watching horror movies.
Speaker 1: Just that's what he did for fun. In fact, guess
Speaker 1: what after the the Tate la Bianca murder murders. Guess
Speaker 1: who showed up at the Colo house a few days later? Elvis.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's he dude.
Speaker 13: I don't know about that. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he I mean, a shaman has to
Speaker 1: be around the dead and around the Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: Make a comparison from that time period. I think even
Speaker 3: generations past his death has been copy have many people
Speaker 3: have been copying him, of course, but at that time period,
Speaker 3: imagine how many people were copying him more attempting to
Speaker 3: even But I was just looking at Jim Jones, and he,
Speaker 3: I think, try to use that whole persona to in
Speaker 3: of course a much darker way.
Speaker 13: Definitely the haircut. I can't help him see that, Yeah,
Speaker 13: for sure. I mean he's definitely got the Elvis look
Speaker 13: going on.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but yel I got to ask you something, and
Speaker 12: please don't get offended or kick me off the video chat,
Speaker 12: because I just gotta ask you.
Speaker 13: All right, there are rumors, all right, rumors. I don't know.
Speaker 12: I wasn't there that Elvis was kind of you know,
Speaker 12: he was in the Little Boys and stuff. Do you
Speaker 12: think that there's any credibility to that?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, I don't. As far as
Speaker 1: I looked, I don't see it. Again, I try to
Speaker 1: go to a reliable sort. There's so much I hate
Speaker 1: to use the word misinformation because I sound like a politician,
Speaker 1: but there's so much gossipy, weird stuff, and so far
Speaker 1: I don't see anything that does that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a very it's very known that he used to get
Speaker 1: hit on by men, and he like, hey man, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all cool. I'm not my bag, you know all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 12: So well, I have to ask just because the people
Speaker 12: who listen to my show are gonna definitely wonder why
Speaker 12: I didn't, because that's a thing.
Speaker 13: That's the thing people want.
Speaker 12: People know about that rumor, and they're like, dude, Elvis
Speaker 12: was into like he wasn't having sex with his wife,
Speaker 12: and he was probably in the Little Boys and he
Speaker 12: had like this weird femininity thing going on.
Speaker 13: So people, you know, speculated, Yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Old No, I don't see that sage anywhere. And he
Speaker 1: was never I mean, you're talking about a person who
Speaker 1: wasn't alone. You're talking about a person whose own bodyguards
Speaker 1: to betrayed him and wrote a all tall tale all
Speaker 1: books because they wanted to bring him down. Nothing like
Speaker 1: that has ever come up. He was friends. He was
Speaker 1: friends with bisexual guy who was friends with James Dean,
Speaker 1: and they became very close. And when his mother died,
Speaker 1: this guy actually they moved a bed in his room
Speaker 1: to watch over Elvis and all that. That's the closest.
Speaker 1: There's also a time in the army where he was
Speaker 1: very upset and he heard about this thing called aroma therapy.
Speaker 1: And again back then it was like, oh, but he
Speaker 1: flew this guy in from US, Australia somewhere, and the
Speaker 1: guy's doing the aroma therapy and the guy grabs Elvis
Speaker 1: by the but Elvis freaked out kicked him out, and
Speaker 1: then the guy tried to blackmail them and the army
Speaker 1: got involved, you know, but he was cleared after a
Speaker 1: long investigation. So that's about as yeah, as far as
Speaker 1: I know, that's about as exciting as it gets.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 1: Very friends with Liberaci, but it was very platonic. Liberaci
Speaker 1: also lost his twin, so Liberaci gave him ideas like
Speaker 1: this is how you cope with the pain, and Liberachi
Speaker 1: in the fifties like, dude, you gotta wear jumpsuits. It's
Speaker 1: the next big thing. And Elvis is like, nah it,
Speaker 1: I'll never be in fashion.
Speaker 9: And you know, well, and with the esoteric, when you're
Speaker 9: when they're studying and trying to they stop that because
Speaker 9: they're trying to keep their power. So it's like a
Speaker 9: whole thing with you know, the whole esoteric side of
Speaker 9: the studies.
Speaker 8: So that makes sense.
Speaker 13: Being like asexual, well, he was very sexual.
Speaker 1: He was very sexual. He was very hermes, very but
Speaker 1: he again I show him he's very much like the
Speaker 1: archetype of the Andragine because he had his feminine and
Speaker 1: masculine powers. That's why he he was into the style.
Speaker 1: He understood women. Uh, he was what which we used
Speaker 1: to call them metrosexuals and nygen x.
Speaker 8: He was like, I don't mean he was asexual in general.
Speaker 9: I mean if he went through bouts of asexualism, it
Speaker 9: was probably because he was studying and trying to be
Speaker 9: in the purification process.
Speaker 8: That's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're a hundred percent right. When he was
Speaker 1: really into spirituality, he would disengage from relationships. In fact,
Speaker 1: it used to piss women off because women would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have this notch on my bedpost called
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley to get to his room. He's like, can
Speaker 1: we read a book. Let's me, No, happened a lot.
Speaker 12: Hey, I'm I'm gonna get with Elvis. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 12: let's meet at the Morgue and do some weird like yeah,
Speaker 12: you know how to turn a girl on or stuff.
Speaker 1: Char Graham, I.
Speaker 17: Ask you when we're talking.
Speaker 16: What we were talking the occult geographies of Memphis.
Speaker 17: I was gonna ask you did Elvis having the infinities.
Speaker 16: For for the ancient mound sites of America, Memphis deep
Speaker 16: in Mound territory. And so is his child is Mississippi.
Speaker 16: He grew up on the mound.
Speaker 9: He's my tenth cousin, and so I am Mormon heritage.
Speaker 8: I'm telling you there's the Mormon up in that boy.
Speaker 19: Like I don't know, Mountain love, they got that mountain load,
Speaker 19: not those I know, as far as I know.
Speaker 1: Not as far as I know. I mean again, you
Speaker 1: just saying you should where if he had to go anywhere,
Speaker 1: it had to be in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: If he went anywhere, he'd have to have a big entourage.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of things Elvis just could
Speaker 1: not see he shouldn't go to. Even in the fifties
Speaker 1: he had to stop going to church.
Speaker 8: He had because lay lines where he build his place.
Speaker 12: And dude, did you know Elvis was born on the
Speaker 12: thirty third parallel. You know all that weirdness about like
Speaker 12: people who are born on the thirty third parallel. So
Speaker 12: I don't know about that, Heidi, but like I know,
Speaker 12: he was born on like a weird child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steven Snyder I did a show with him, and
Speaker 1: he you know, he talked, but that's kind of his thing,
Speaker 1: mountains and parallels, and it's not my forte.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I've had a number of mounded conversations with Reckless.
Speaker 16: He's very, very knowledgeable in the subjects, and he goes
Speaker 16: to these places. He doesn't just ride away, and he
Speaker 16: travels and he feels the energy and he digs around
Speaker 16: and so yeah, we've had a couple of show on
Speaker 16: Elvis to one on that, and one, of course, we
Speaker 16: had to have a long one to dispel the whole
Speaker 16: you know, was he was he a servant of the Jews, which,
Speaker 16: of course there's lots of literature like, so we have
Speaker 16: to spend an hour of dispelling that one.
Speaker 13: What does that even mean exactly?
Speaker 17: I'm not familiar with that one. So that's an interesting
Speaker 17: interesting A.
Speaker 13: Servant of the Jews?
Speaker 2: Like what?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I was like, what is he a Hebrew slave or
Speaker 13: something like?
Speaker 1: What I supposed to know that he was, you know,
Speaker 1: created by Jewish bankers to correct?
Speaker 8: Okay, well it's the Jesuits. If not, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's somebody, ye, but there's books written about it,
Speaker 1: on papers really, but they don't hold up to you know, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know he had Jewish blood, He had very close
Speaker 1: Jewish friends. He became friends as a kid with an
Speaker 1: Orthodox rabbi. But Elvis was you know, he was his
Speaker 1: own person, owned destiny.
Speaker 8: You know, not Roy Kone.
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 13: That wasn't a friend. That was his friend.
Speaker 8: Shut up, I'm being an ass.
Speaker 13: I thought, oh my god, I was going to say,
Speaker 13: those two are friends. I'm getting out of this.
Speaker 15: Elvis's manager. Elvis's manager.
Speaker 14: From what I understand, he had intelligence links, he had
Speaker 14: all these he didn't have any idea. That was one
Speaker 14: of the reasons they couldn't go overseas. It was kind
Speaker 14: of a mystery as to who this guy really was.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Colonel Parker, yes, yes, that was his manager. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't an illegal immigrant.
Speaker 13: And Tom Hanks, I was going to ask if that
Speaker 13: was that was him.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that.
Speaker 1: Was a terrible job by Anks, But yeah, that was him.
Speaker 13: So what did you think of that movie? Did you
Speaker 13: like it? Do you think it was like historically accurate?
Speaker 1: Some things aren't some things are, you know. Briefly talks
Speaker 1: about Captain Marvel and Elvis and going to black churches,
Speaker 1: but doesn't touch on his occultism. You have to watch
Speaker 1: Sophia Coppola's movie Priscilla that spends about ten minutes Elvis
Speaker 1: driving everybody crazy with his ideas and she being furious
Speaker 1: at him and all that. But yeah, Parker, he was
Speaker 1: a carnival guy. He was He wasn't even a real colonel,
Speaker 1: and somehow he latched onto Elvis. And I talked to
Speaker 1: the book that was almost faded, because you know, you've
Speaker 1: got an alchemy, you've got hermes, that power, that creative,
Speaker 1: naughty power. But then you've got Saturn numbers and boundaries
Speaker 1: and all that, and they were perfect or even in
Speaker 1: Steiner with Aramann and Lucifer got Lucifer the creative power,
Speaker 1: and then you've got irom on the numbers of boundaries.
Speaker 1: When you can get those together in the balance, anything's possible,
Speaker 1: just like the androgine. If we can get your male
Speaker 1: and female energies right as the ancient said, you are godlike.
Speaker 1: So those two work together. And that's the story. That's
Speaker 1: one of the theories that Elvis never toured because Parker would
Speaker 1: have have he would have gotten uh, yeah, he would
Speaker 1: have gotten thrown in an El Salvador in prison. Oh well,
Speaker 1: back then, who knows what it would have been. He
Speaker 1: would have been kicked out. But the problem too is
Speaker 1: I don't know about that because he did go to
Speaker 1: Canada in the fifties to tour. And remember Elvis was
Speaker 1: in the army for two years, and Parker had no
Speaker 1: problems staying in the United States, you know, crunching numbers,
Speaker 1: making deals, So I don't think. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you would have had a problem with Elvis touring, but
Speaker 1: I guess you would have had to explain to Elvis,
Speaker 1: because that's a secret even Elvis never found out about.
Speaker 1: You know, that's something happened in the late seventies when
Speaker 1: people finally discovered who Parker was. And it's still a
Speaker 1: mystery what his background was.
Speaker 16: Possibly Austrian, No, he was Dutch, yeah, okay, and it
Speaker 16: was somewhere over there. Yeah yeah, So I guess Austin
Speaker 16: Powers would have been furious, right, evil Dutch.
Speaker 2: We see.
Speaker 13: Maybe it was his handler, was the handler Power?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he was something else. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is true, this guy, I mean, Elvis made four billion
Speaker 1: dollars from nineteen fifty five to nineteen think about that inflation.
Speaker 1: I mean Taylor Swift and he did. He that's money
Speaker 1: they couldn't make. He probably made that's like twenty billion
Speaker 1: dollars today. And Elvis, of course just blew it, blew it,
Speaker 1: blew it. He never invested, never, he just Parker made
Speaker 1: twenty percent of that. And Parker died penniless because he
Speaker 1: was such a gambling freak. I mean both, It's like
Speaker 1: they both had they both just fell apart at the end.
Speaker 10: Perhaps a good magical lesson for why you should not
Speaker 10: pursue that path of hod after forty A little magic joke.
Speaker 13: Are you saying that Elvis was a washed up loser?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 10: But it really this is something I've been thinking about
Speaker 10: a lot, Juliet. Is like magic's really about archetypes, like
Speaker 10: a large part, like even look at above you right now,
Speaker 10: the way Nick Cat even has it set up.
Speaker 11: It's like I'm between two polarities. So it's a lot about.
Speaker 10: Like how we arranged you mean, you know this, how
Speaker 10: we arrange universe around us. So, but your most powerful tools,
Speaker 10: the way you live your life, like the ritual that
Speaker 10: you embody.
Speaker 11: So right, So if.
Speaker 10: Elvis is passing the point of being a prince archetype,
Speaker 10: then he should the ideas that you would gracefully transition
Speaker 10: into one of the other male archetypes on the tree.
Speaker 10: But if you're very comfortable in the suffer, and this
Speaker 10: often happens to male magicians. They get very comfortable in
Speaker 10: thee because we're denser than women.
Speaker 11: It's a it's not a slight against men.
Speaker 10: It's just like a a kind of it's a Buddhist joke,
Speaker 10: but it's it's also true in a way because women
Speaker 10: can get pregnant, so they have negative space, right, so
Speaker 10: they're considered less sense.
Speaker 11: That's really the idea. So a man should transition, but
Speaker 11: it's harder for us.
Speaker 10: So if we've played the prince our whole life, we're
Speaker 10: always going to draw from that saffra.
Speaker 11: That's kind of my thinking. I don't know, maybe that's
Speaker 11: maybe Nick or Miguel will crackt me, but that's.
Speaker 23: Sort of how I think of it as Sorry, Nick, No,
Speaker 23: I just want to say that that also explains like
Speaker 23: what Heidi said about him, like always needing, always searching out,
Speaker 23: and even the rumor that you brought up, it would
Speaker 23: make sense that because the polarity that he would need
Speaker 23: to balance him.
Speaker 11: Out, would be like a daughter archetype.
Speaker 10: That doesn't mean someone too young, but maybe by our
Speaker 10: conventions in twenty twenty five, it would be like a
Speaker 10: Southern like what he was thinking in like the sixties
Speaker 10: in the South is obviously very different than where we're thinking,
Speaker 10: So maybe sixteen. He would like a younger girl, like
Speaker 10: some slightly androgynist perhaps, or like a Lisa Marie who's,
Speaker 10: as we discussed, very bad.
Speaker 11: She has a Babylon energy.
Speaker 10: His daughter does well, the wife did when they thought together.
Speaker 11: She has that.
Speaker 1: You brought it up.
Speaker 11: There was such a great point. We all agreed.
Speaker 10: The Tuesday Weld's like, that's the she's the kind of
Speaker 10: the dark princess to Tuesday Weld.
Speaker 11: Like a queen of the stars. You could say.
Speaker 1: The one you want to watch is his granddaughter Riley Keo.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have watched the movie
Speaker 1: Under the Silver Lake, probably one of the most esoteric
Speaker 1: movies I've seen. But she's she's as she's a very
Speaker 1: accomplished actress and very powerful.
Speaker 13: Does she sing or anything?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, she's mostly an actress. I
Speaker 1: mean she's been I think she was was she in
Speaker 1: Once upon a Time in Hollywood? I think she was
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 12: Brief Well really, Oh that's interesting because that's about like
Speaker 12: the Manson stuff and apparently Elvis uh made himself known
Speaker 12: around those parts.
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, I mean.
Speaker 12: I've always wondered about her just because of the Michael
Speaker 12: Jackson stuff and uh yeah.
Speaker 13: I mean was it her son that killed himself or
Speaker 13: it was her son that killed brother?
Speaker 20: Ye?
Speaker 1: Again, the curse.
Speaker 9: Was saying, and then again we've got one without the
Speaker 9: the right back to the beginning, right exactly.
Speaker 12: Maybe they're breaking generational curses. Maybe he was the last
Speaker 12: one and.
Speaker 8: She seems like they're living.
Speaker 2: It through it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because then he was the one that carried it on.
Speaker 8: So I don't know.
Speaker 9: It seems like if she's in esoteric films and all
Speaker 9: these different things, it just depends on what past she's on.
Speaker 8: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: You do you know if Friley is into scientology?
Speaker 1: I am not sure. I don't think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Priscilla and Lisa Marie I think left before
Speaker 1: it was they did get out. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: hope once the book starts selling and then makes the rounds,
Speaker 1: I want I do want to reach out to her
Speaker 1: and say, hey, what do you think.
Speaker 7: The reason I asked is something I actually learned from JJ,
Speaker 7: and I have noticed it myself now that she did
Speaker 7: a movie with Tofa Grace, and I know he was
Speaker 7: in that seventies show, and that was like pretty much
Speaker 7: like all scientology people. And I've noticed that a lot
Speaker 7: of silence scientology people tend to do movies with other
Speaker 7: scientology people. Under Under the Silver Under the Silver Lake,
Speaker 7: she was to for Grace was in that with her.
Speaker 7: So when I saw to for Grace, I thought of
Speaker 7: Scientology and I knew we were talking about scientology. So
Speaker 7: that's why I just asked, because I just looked up
Speaker 7: the movie now because I was like, I never heard of.
Speaker 8: That, says.
Speaker 9: She quit Scientology as of twenty twenty three and is
Speaker 9: now just spiritually not affiliated with anyone.
Speaker 8: But she has some interesting tattoos about her brother.
Speaker 16: You're saying, it's independent scientology, make sure of all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at the movies she was in Mad Max.
Speaker 1: She was you guys got to watch Under the Sea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm check that out.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Sunset. I don't know she played Sasquatch or he
Speaker 1: was in that movie. It was an Amazon where it's
Speaker 1: like a ripoff of Fleetwood mag I forget what's the
Speaker 1: name of it, but yeah, she's been in a lot
Speaker 1: of movies. I'm just looking over here.
Speaker 7: Uh, was there anything else that anybody wanted to ask
Speaker 7: before we wrap it up?
Speaker 8: Interesting?
Speaker 11: Oh? Sorry, hydie me instrumpt here.
Speaker 10: I'll just say I do think that the badge thing
Speaker 10: was interesting from a magical perspective. You could consider like
Speaker 10: badges to have a kind of coubalistic or Masonic, which
Speaker 10: is obviously also kabbala, just in a different, slightly different
Speaker 10: maybe context. But yeah, so if you had the collection
Speaker 10: of badges, you could also like that the collection of degrees,
Speaker 10: like magical order degrees.
Speaker 11: And yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: The police sons too, Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 8: There's no help for the widows JJ.
Speaker 2: Sorry, is that is that another moment thing too?
Speaker 8: Yes, it's Mason Mormons the same.
Speaker 12: Yeah, she said, that's the last words of Joseph's Yeah,
Speaker 12: it really was allegedly Really.
Speaker 13: Wait what was it? What was his last words?
Speaker 9: It's a Masonic cry for help? It's is there no
Speaker 9: help for the widow's son? And he was a Mason,
Speaker 9: but also he was screwing everybody's wives, so they were
Speaker 9: kind of uh.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but apparently so was Elvis. Right, he was screwing
Speaker 12: everybody's wife and.
Speaker 13: More of your times.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow, I wonder I have I have a question. I wonder,
Speaker 3: uh you mentioned the non touch healing that again? Now,
Speaker 3: Actually I want I bet all of us have experienced
Speaker 3: reiki at least here, right, that's a common non touch
Speaker 3: healing practice. I wonder what what is the one of
Speaker 3: the more striking experiences of maybe the non touch healing
Speaker 3: or just in general of his telepathic powers were one
Speaker 3: of those stories that were really striking.
Speaker 1: God, there's so many, yeah, I mean, he was able
Speaker 1: to manipulate weather, he could make objects move against astral travel,
Speaker 1: stories of him creating force fields, God, there's so many.
Speaker 1: But the healing was very important to him because of
Speaker 1: where he came from, So he was just a healing freak,
Speaker 1: and it was mostly The blue light is very important
Speaker 1: throughout the book. When Elvis was born, his father went
Speaker 1: outside to have a cigarette and this blue alien light
Speaker 1: appeared over the house and froze all sound and the
Speaker 1: wind stopped and Vernon his father freaked out. He was
Speaker 1: having a cigarette ran in while Gladys was it was
Speaker 1: in labor. So the blue light followed. And you see
Speaker 1: that all through Elvis' life, you know, you see blue
Speaker 1: and so many of his songs. His biggest hits were
Speaker 1: like Blue Hawaii and Gi Blues. The day he died,
Speaker 1: he was wearing blue pajamas. Oh this blue light. I
Speaker 1: show him the book as blue is everywhere. When he healed,
Speaker 1: he would always imagine a blue light. And I've done
Speaker 1: shows with like James True on the blue Light. You know,
Speaker 1: humans only discovered the blue light a few thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: and people with blue eyes are freaks. We only appeared
Speaker 1: later in history because of some Yeah yeah, green too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd have to put green too, but blue was important.
Speaker 1: So he was a healing beast. I mean, Priscilla says
Speaker 1: he could heal her headaches at a touch. He could
Speaker 1: heal people's hurt backs, and then sometimes they were just incredible.
Speaker 1: Like one time they were in Colorado snowboarding and they're
Speaker 1: having fun and one a person is entourage, hits a pole,
Speaker 1: breaks his leg and they're all freaking out. Weve got
Speaker 1: to take him to the hospital. And I was like
Speaker 1: pushes him back so like, I don't have time for this,
Speaker 1: puts his hands on his legs and heals his broken leg.
Speaker 1: There was another time where he's driving around in his
Speaker 1: limo and Memphis and he sees a bus over the
Speaker 1: sidewalk and the drivers outside like grabbing his chest having
Speaker 1: a heart attack, and Elvis goes up to him, puts
Speaker 1: his hand, You're gonna be all right, and he does,
Speaker 1: you know again the blue light healing and heals him
Speaker 1: from his heart attack. He could heal a friend of
Speaker 1: his his child had a really bad fever. Elvis, like Russia's,
Speaker 1: leaves his house, goes to his friend's house and puts
Speaker 1: his hand on the kid and the fever breaks. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just the instances are baffling, and they're a lot,
Speaker 1: and they're incredible. And again there were always eye witnesses there.
Speaker 1: There was you know, two or three people present when
Speaker 1: Elvis was doing his power. But he couldn't heal himself again,
Speaker 1: he just couldn't. He did use certain technique, like once
Speaker 1: he had a sore throat and he used some esophagal
Speaker 1: Alice Bailey's spell and he was able to heal his
Speaker 1: throat and this and that, But for the most part, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did it for other people.
Speaker 13: That's the kind of guy you want to have around. Geez,
Speaker 13: that's sure.
Speaker 8: They're usually a hot mess though. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: He cured a hangover. So after Saturday night wonders.
Speaker 13: Terrific guy. I'm on board.
Speaker 2: That's too. I get into it too much because we
Speaker 2: all wrapping it up. But I would even think we go.
Speaker 7: Haven't you even noticed sometimes some sort of blue light experience,
Speaker 7: even amongst occultist stories.
Speaker 1: Very predominant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will hear about that every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and UFO encounters. Yeah, yeah, mine is always on
Speaker 1: this ship. Whitley streamer talks about when the visitors come,
Speaker 1: a blue light would appear. So I'm doing the research,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this blue thing is all
Speaker 1: over the place. And occultism, yourthology, mysticism, Krishna was blue.
Speaker 1: You just see it everywhere.
Speaker 7: Yeah, something interesting with that. But uh, thank you well
Speaker 7: again for coming on. That was really interesting talk. That
Speaker 7: was amazing, Miguel.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it real quick.
Speaker 1: Miguel.
Speaker 7: Let everybody know where they can find your stuff and
Speaker 7: whatever you want to blug please.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, and thanks for great questions. Guys, you
Speaker 1: did a great job. I really appreciate it. Good convo
Speaker 1: right now. I would send people to just Miguel Connor
Speaker 1: dot com my name, because you go to the website
Speaker 1: and it's like two roads. One is the am Bite,
Speaker 1: my gnostics stuff, the other one is my you know, substack,
Speaker 1: Elvis books all that. So send people to Miguel Connor
Speaker 1: dot com and decide where do you want to go.
Speaker 1: Can subscribe to my substack, order the book online, or
Speaker 1: look at all my social media. So that's the place
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 7: Awesome, Thank you so much, my man. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Everybody else, I'll you know, you can check their stuff out.
Speaker 7: Their links are in the bottom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: That is the end of another Occult Rejects and until
Speaker 7: the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 2: We're calling it a proud.
Speaker 20: I can't walk out.
Speaker 8: We caught down it too much paving.
Speaker 20: Why can't you see what you do with me?
Speaker 2: When you don't believe the world.
Speaker 20: I say, we can't go on together. We're suspicious, we
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