Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hellokit,
and welcome back to another edition of the Pso. I
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here with the low and your te lot. Lorenzo, my cousin,
I love the husband.
Speaker 2: Hello, lovely husband. It is a Sunday.
Speaker 1: Actually, we're trying to we're trying something new. We keep
saying we're going to do this, but the banging and
the construction outside Monday to Friday has gotten unworkable for us.
Speaker 3: So well, the thing is that, let me just explain here.
We don't know when erupting already, oh my god. Anyway,
we don't know when they start banging and what time
of the day.
Speaker 2: Or when they're gonna be Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they spend two days.
Speaker 3: We spend two day with no noise, no sound, and
then all of a sudden they start at seventy eight
in the morning the next day.
Speaker 4: So it's hard to predict.
Speaker 3: How hard to know when, uh, because we always say okay,
we're going to record it to more and then we
get up they start bagging.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: We're thinking we're going to try and do this every
weekend on the weekend and then have it published on Monday.
So it's a Sunday for us. It's a relatively quiet day,
although it's.
Speaker 4: Actually nin because we have the Grammys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's it's actually a busy day
for us. We started off by doing our RuPaul's drag
Race recap. We're doing this in the afternoon, and then
this evening we have to file a piece with Cosminpolitan
for the Grammy's Red Carpet.
Speaker 2: So it's a very busy Sunday, very busy day.
Speaker 4: For you know, the waiter for Monte Tito.
Speaker 1: The waiter from Montesito. Yes, all right, so we are
going to talk about Netflix's very bad, no good, horrible week, specifically,
Carlos Apia Guscone, the Oscar nominated actress of Amelia Perez,
has turned out to have some spicy opinions on Netflix
and I mean on on to Twitter. So we're going
to get into all of that and how that came about.
But before that, I just wanted to touch briefly on
another thing that Netflix screwed up, although I guess technically
this isn't their fault. Sandman season two will be the
final season of Neil Gayman's Sandman. We have covered the
controversy surrounding Neil Gaiman and my own personal feelings about
it as a longtime fan of the Sandman. It's funny
when that Netflix announced that it was the final season,
that they're not going to do any more seasons, which
I mean everyone was kind of waiting for that announcement. Anyway.
It's really interesting because at any other time in the
last thirty years, if I had heard that the Net
that the Sandman TV series was canceled after two seasons,
I would have considered it the most disappointing news of
all times. I mean, I want to say, like, I
have been waiting a long time for this to be adapted.
A lot of Sandman fans have, so it was a
big thrill when it finally happened. It wasn't perfect, but
it was a good enough adaptation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I never read the books, and I just say
one thing. I never read the books, and I still
think about that. The episode about the cats, you know,
such a beautiful thing, right, so creative, so well done,
and it's just destroyed, you know.
Speaker 1: Chatter, destroyed his legacy. And yeah, I'm not shedding any
tears over its cancelation because I couldn't have watched it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I may I'm going.
Speaker 1: To watch season two, probably out of curiosity more than
anything else, especially knowing that it's canceled like r if
there was a chance they were going to renew it
for a third season, then I probably, I know I
wouldn't have watched it. I've unpacked all of this in
previous episodes, but there are times when I cannot separate
the artist from the art.
Speaker 2: This is one of those times.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the only reason I'm bringing it up again
is because they announced that the show was canceled in
the most bullshit manner possible. And this sort of ties
into our main thing, our main topic this week, which
is Carlo Sophia Gascoon. But Netflix released this, you know,
did this press release where you know, we from the
one of the producers, Allen Heinberg, where he says, you know,
we looked at the remaining material and we realized that
we have just told the story we wanted to tell. Okay,
that is there are I believe eight or nine volumes
of The Sandman Season one literally only did the first volume.
Speaker 4: All these new characters, they were going to introduce right.
Speaker 1: There's literally five or six seasons worth of material on
that that was. This was always the problem about adapting
Sandman because people were like, you can't really do that
as a movie because even if it was a trilogy,
you can't get all that stuff into it. A TV
series was always the best way to adapt that story
because it is such a long story that spans right,
literally spans millennia.
Speaker 4: So saying that you don't have an op material for it, why, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 1: Why are you insulting, you know, due to the charges
against Neil Game And it would be not you know,
blah blah blah, right that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: It would be even more I don't know, more respectful,
more respectful, you know, for you said, I don't we
don't stand you know, we don't agree with whatever.
Speaker 4: Therefore we're going to cancel. Right.
Speaker 1: No, No, don't don't sit there and say, well, we
told the story we wanted to tell you. Liar, you them, liar.
There's like another six or seven years worth of the story.
But kind of insulting and this this is that's all
I want to say about that. This sort of leads
gives us a chance to leap off into the Carlo
Sophia Gascone thing, which gets into how how Oscar campaigns
are run, who was in charge of running these Oscar campaigns,
and whether or not Netflix really dropped the ball on
this or not. But before we get into all of that,
I want Lorenzo to Oh, let me just say Lorenzo is.
He doesn't like it when I brag about this, but
he is multi lingual. My my lovely multi lingual husband.
That's why it's so much fun to travel Europe with
Lorenzo because I never have to worry about the language
barrier married. I'm married to Olingo and this week he
put his Spanish, French and Portuguese speaking language skills to
good use to unpack everything that's happened.
Speaker 2: So let's start with the.
Speaker 1: Carlos Apia gascon versus Fernando Torrez thing that is sort
of the preamble to this story. Fernando Torres is the
star also nominated for Best Actress Brazilian Actress nominated for
I'm Still Here.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Lorenzo, let.
Speaker 3: Me just explain that I'm I'm a huge fan, as
you guys know, of any international anything TV series, movies, everything.
Speaker 4: I'd love to watch movies.
Speaker 2: But he likes his all American boys.
Speaker 1: I he likes the boys all America.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Any Way, too much information there.
Speaker 3: But I love international movies and and and TV shows
and so on. So I'm always thrilled when we celebrate
actors and movies from other countries because they don't get
an opportunity as often as you know, Hollywood does with
all these movies out there. So I'm always thrilled. And
in the case of I'm still here, it's it was
also a very interesting story because it was a movie
about a very interesting, uh and serious topic in Brazil,
political issue in Brazil. Also the actress, the main actress,
her mother, was nominated for another movie directed by the
same guy, So that was all very interesting.
Speaker 2: Nominated twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but still, you know, I mean, how many times
you have the mother and the daughter being nominated for
Best Actress, you know, for a foreign international movie. Uh,
That's just doesn't happen often. So Brazil is very excited
right now because they they think that this is amazing.
I mean, the whole the story is amazing.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: The mother didn't win, but she was still nominated and
the daughter is the second. I mean the mother was
the first, and the door is the second actress in
the country being nominated for for Best Actors for an Oscar.
Speaker 4: So it is a big thing. So the country is
hoping she wins. Brazil is very how can I put this?
Brazil is very.
Speaker 3: Uh what's the word. But anyway, they're very h They're
they're they're on social media all the time. They're very active,
very passionate on social media.
Speaker 4: So of course they are.
Speaker 3: You know, rooting for the movie and and you know,
rooting for for Fernanda Torees and so on, and I'm
on TikTok all the time, so I get to see
I get to watch all these videos and for Nadatoris.
She mentioned that she wasn't a very she she was
into social media stuff, but her PR people recommended told
her that she should be more active on on TikTok
and so on, and she said it, you know, it
paid off. I mean, she she she got a lot
more followers, and you know, she got a chance to
to promote the movie, her career and so on. So
I was on TikTok the other day and then she
out of nowhere, she she had a video and she's
talking about, uh, explaining that you know, when when you
get nominated, you get all these invitations to go all
to go to all these parties in Hollywood, and she
had been invited to go to the W magazine party
and all the other nominated.
Speaker 2: The super mandatory natories.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, all the other actresses were there because everybody
got nominated, and she got to talk to uh Sophia,
Carlo Sophia, so and how nice she was. He was
so lovely, and they you know, they spent time talking
about their movies and so on, and how much they
loved their performances and blah blah blah and so on
and please let's stay positive, and uh, you know, everybody's good.
Everybody gave a good performance. Bah blah blah, whoever wins.
And I thought it was a little odd because that's
not very much like Fernanda Tooris. If you watch her videos,
she's very polite. She's you know, always you know, staying
on her lane. So anyway, I thought it was a
little odd. And right after that, I started reading, you know,
articles about Carlo Sophia talking about how she's been attacked
and everyone is after her and that the and then
she drops a bomb that you know, she says that
the pr team behind Fernanda Tooris and behind the movie
are attacking her or creating this atmosphere where she's being attacked,
which it's I would doubt very much. I don't think
that happened.
Speaker 1: Let's blow up immediately, right, because it's it is scandalous
for one Oscar nominated the actress to accuse another Oscar
nominated actress of somehow sabotaging her nomination, which is essentially
what Carlo Sophia was saying about Fernanda. And I just
want to note that throughout award season, you know, we
probably we wrote about Carlo Sophia Gascon at the can
Film Festival, we did in a red carpet piece about her,
and I don't think a lot of American outlets were
writing about her red carpet stuff at that time.
Speaker 2: So she followed us on Twitter immediately.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was gonna say, and because you know,
she's a transactress and you know, this was an interesting
role and she was interesting. We don't always follow celebrities back,
but I followed her back and I noticed immediately that
she is has spent all year sort of waging a battle.
And even when you saw her, like at the Golden Globes,
she got and made this very sort of defiant, you
know speech about you know, being attacked and everything. And listen,
she's a trans woman. I have no doubt whatsoever. She
is attacked all the time in her life on social
media by the press. I understand all of that, and
I understand as an act, as a transactress leading this film,
that you would want to be championing it every chance
you get and speaking out against the But I did
notice almost immediately. I was like, well, she needs to
tone that down.
Speaker 2: She's coming off really really defensive.
Speaker 4: So so I thought it was a little odd.
Speaker 3: And then she mentioned that and she she you know,
she attacks Fernandatorius, and she also attacked the movie people,
you know, like the people behind.
Speaker 2: Behind the film. She said it was the people behind
the film.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I was like, all right, maybe that's a
bad translation. Let me go and listen to her in
Spanish and see if she actually said that. And she did,
she said that those words. So I always make sure
because today, I mean, like right now, TikTok is a
shit show. Uh, it's I even I can't sometimes I
can't take it because there's so much, so many lines,
so many things said. People use old videos to make
a point now, and you can't trust anything on social
media these days, so I'm very very careful on TikTok's like,
all right, I'm let me just go and find the
interview and listen to it and make sure she actually
said that.
Speaker 4: And she did.
Speaker 3: She those are the words she used. So of course,
of course, because Portuguese, you have to understand. Now here's
the linguist speaking, because Portuguese is kind of like not
the same, but Portuguese is uh speaking, people can kind
of understand Spanish. So of course the Brazilian has understood
what she said and got very angry and just went
on social media and started attacking her even more.
Speaker 4: And you know how it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, when someone gets attacked on social media, they
start digging, they start looking for more stuff to you know, right,
do make this this person's life even more you know,
hallish that it is? Yeah, I mean, so they went
after her, they found stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: Now, then Variety magazines started posting articles about those tweets
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every Plate. I didn't want to Okay, getting back to
the Carlo Sophia Gascone situation, I didn't want to jump
right ahead. I did want to to the offensive tweets
and how that happened. Yeah, I know, uh so, Fernanda,
she did respond to this? Did she not respond to this?
Speaker 4: Or no? As far as I know, she did not.
Speaker 3: As far as I know, this is the only time
she talks about meeting other actors nominated and how wonderfully
it is. Everyone is very talented and let's celebrate everybody.
Speaker 1: Carla did walk those statements back after the backlash and
said she didn't mean that Fernando or her people, even
though that's exactly what she said. And we're going to
see as this story progresses that Carla apparently has the
problem where she says shit and then claims that she
didn't say was a one. Yes, so Brazil as as
Lorenzo notes, Brazil is a country that is extremely active
on social media, and they have dominated the fandom space.
When you get into any sort of online fandom, when
you're whether you're talking Taylor Swift or Selena Gumez or
or Beyonce or anybody, a significant number of people posting
will be Brazilian because they dominate fandom. This is listen
to anyone who writes about pop culture knows this. No
just it's part of the industry, it's part of it,
It's part of their culture. They are extremely good at
social media. You do not want to run a bowl
of Brazilians on social media, trust me on this. So
I was kind of enjoying the backlash against her. Not
that I love saying a trans woman torn down, but
she said some stupid shit about an actress. I mean,
forer Ninda tourres is like an unassailable The woman is
very classy, she's a professional. Just the idea that she
would have engaged in anything like this, it was a
stupid ass thing for Carla to say, so I was
kind of enjoying the Brazilians were trashing the shit out
of her on social media, and as Lorenzo alluded, I
think there was only a matter of time before something
like this happened. Now, I don't want to cast dispersions
on the woman.
Speaker 4: There's a Canadian reporter, right.
Speaker 1: A journalist named Sarah Hadgi who she is the one
who originally tweeted all of these and so I don't
want to take anything away from her. I guess she
found it, but I think it was sort of in
the air. Other people were saying, no, these tweets were
resurfacing on Twitter in Brazilian fandom communities.
Speaker 3: I read an interview with her, and she made the points.
She said, listen, it was all out there.
Speaker 2: All I need to do was start looking.
Speaker 3: All I did was type of word and everything came up. Okay,
you know, resurface.
Speaker 1: So just to give you an idea, I'm not going
to read all of these tweets well, first off, that
it was I mean I had I started laughing because
it it just reached ridiculous proportions that she didn't just
tweet one or two offensive things.
Speaker 2: It was like dozens. And it was when.
Speaker 1: It got to the one where she was more or
less saying Hitler had some good ideas.
Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, lady, holy shit. She didn't literally.
Speaker 3: No, no, but it was like, you know, kind of like
a page a day and an offensive.
Speaker 1: Offensive tweet to day day calendar. It was a lot
of Islamophobic stuff. She really does not like Muslims at all.
She made some very very questionable comments about George Floyd
and about the Black Lives Matter movement, calling him a
drug addict that nobody cared about. Gomez allegedly she allegedly
there is I've seen screen caps of it where she
calls her a rat. Cleenagum is is her co star
spoiled rat?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I mean when you get when you.
Speaker 2: Start ugly, ugly, ugly, when you start.
Speaker 3: Tweeting about Hitler and the Holocaust and all that, I mean,
it's like bottom like this, I mean lower than that.
Speaker 1: And then she she trashed the Oscar ceremony from like
twenty twenty one or whatever. It was a year no
mad Land one and it was the year they had
that sort of lockdown Oscars with.
Speaker 4: It was the parasite one.
Speaker 3: Woh got it because she was just saying that what
am I watching here? Something about a lot of Asian people.
Speaker 1: On State Korean Film Festival, Black Lives Matter Film Festival.
It was just all this offensive, racially offensive stuff that
she had been tweeting for years, and all of this
stuff came out and.
Speaker 4: Then she you shoot a second apology.
Speaker 1: Well, first off, when all the stuff came out, at first,
there was no nothing, nothing from Netflix, nothing from her
because I think it caught her off guard, which what
how did why are these okay?
Speaker 3: And we're not talking? Came about tweets when she was
seventeen years old, and this.
Speaker 4: Was like two or three years ago. She was like
forty right, right, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Can't claim you ful, You can't claim She was already
a famous actress at that point, like not world fame.
It's not as famous as she is now, but she was.
Speaker 2: In the public eye.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how someone is tweeting that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, I keep saying.
Speaker 3: I've said many, many times, social media is at for
a celebrity. You know, social media is a very dangerous
place to be. Yeah, you can't just go there and
type things because they'll stay on online forever, yeah, even
if you delete them. So more tweets came out, and
then she she issued a second apology, and that with
the second apology, she became very very defensive. She's defensive, yeah,
saying that everyone was attacking her and you know, her
family and her daughter, her daughter, and then she had
to you know, life was hell and so on and
so on. But then more tweets came out and they
kept coming and mean so many. I'm telling you, I
mean you can have like's not Oh.
Speaker 1: She shut she had a bad day and shot her
mouth off. This is a clear point of view, a
persistent point of view that she expressed over years.
Speaker 3: Right and I I'll talk about Netflix and all that later,
but right now we're focusing on on her and you know,
and typical which drives me crazy when the apology is
always like, well if I offended you, come.
Speaker 1: On, honey, honey, you said Hitler had some good ideas
about the Jews or something like that.
Speaker 2: Hitler had idea.
Speaker 3: Simply, No, Hitler simply had ideas or had thoughts about.
Speaker 2: The Jews or whatever.
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, and then come on, and then
you you claim that they were out of context. How
can a tweet be out of context. I mean it's
a sentence there, okay, loaded sentence anyway, instead of just saying,
you know, I'm sorry, it was.
Speaker 2: A dark period of life. I regret everything I said,
I I learned whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I really said those things, and they're horrible.
And now I don't feel that way. I don't think
that way. I don't know what was going on. And
that's it, because you know your career is going to
be over anyway, So what is the point of getting
defensive and and fighting it exactly anyway? So so things
got really really bad, and if you go and TikTok
Jesus Christ h my phone is like vibrating all the
time with everybody angry, angry, angry about the whole thing,
and and the whole thing is just a fiasca because
the director I was just reading the director gave an interview,
uh talking about why they ask why because you know,
there's this whole thing about you know, a French director
directing a movie about Mexico and why you know and
so on, and then the interviewer asking him why why
it's Spanish? You know, why why did you choose Spanish?
And I think he was trying to make a point
that it's a language spoken, you know, by a lot
of people on the planet. You know, it is in fact,
so I don't know how he worded it, but he
kept saying that, you know, it's a language spoken by
a lot of migrants and poor countries and so on,
and I'm like, what are you saying.
Speaker 2: I thought you did watch the interviews.
Speaker 3: And again I went online and I was like, all right,
let me watch the interview, and he did say that
in French. He says it, he says.
Speaker 1: This movie is and I'm like, oh, my haunted, this
movie is haunted.
Speaker 3: And then and then they I feel bad. I feel
bad for Zoe Soudana because you know, she's.
Speaker 1: The one I feel the most feel bad because she
gave a great performance.
Speaker 2: She she uh is uh.
Speaker 1: Was this week I think probably one of the front
runners for Best Supporting Actress. I think she has clearly
been very overwhelmed and thrilled by the regard she's been
getting at this point in her career, and she said
that she didn't feel like people held her in very
high regard before now, so I mean, I do feel
bad for And she was asked this week. She did
a Q and A this week in which Carlo Sofia
was supposed to appear and did not appear, and you know,
she was asked about it, and of course they're going
to ask her about it. But it's also not fair
that they're asking her about it because it clearly has
nothing to do with her. She didn't say these things,
and she didn't know that someone else had said these things, right,
And if.
Speaker 3: They end up going to the oscars, all of them,
that's all they're going to ask them.
Speaker 1: So the thing is, the three of them, Selena, Zoe
and Carlo Sophia have been posing on every red carpet
all year long, the three of them, you know, like
holding hands and sisterhood and all that.
Speaker 4: Just go to our site.
Speaker 1: And I just don't see that happening on Oscar night.
Speaker 2: I I mean I.
Speaker 1: Would if she were asking me, if I worked for
Carlo Sophia's team, I would be like, don't go, just
don't go. Right, just don't go. You're not going to win.
She wasn't upfront runner anyway. But what's interesting to me
is that these comments are so offensive and this was
handled so badly that she this could single handedly tank
all of a million Perez's nominations, and it got an
almost history making thirteen nominations.
Speaker 3: As everyone pointing out, because I like to get all
the angles, you know, and all the openis as much
as possible, I mean, as a lot of people pointing
out on TikTok and other places too, is like it's
a kind of movie that people were rooting for in
a way because it was a trans woman being nominated
for Best Actress and is the first one, so everyone
was hoping that that would be a great thing, especially now.
Speaker 1: I don't think people were looking at the movie critically
enough though. I think that the part of the reason
it got thirteen nominations, even though it is an incredibly
problematic and I would argue on some levels offensively problematic movie.
But I do think part of it is people rush
to give this movie because it was you know, Translatina,
Like they just wanted to give this movie.
Speaker 3: I think it's a flowers. I think that's probably in general.
And we feel that pressure because we talk about movies
and we talk about TV shows. We kind of feel
the same pressures as movie and TV critics and reviewers.
We got the kind of pressure people want, people want.
They pressure people to come out immediately with a review
or with something to say about the movie, and people
don't take their time sometimes to really looking, you know,
at something and analyze it and come up with a
better opinion about it. And I think that's true about
the movie if you go back and watch it again
and you know, with a more critical which I did,
and you go like, wow, yes, I see all the
things that including you, you know, pointing out the last
time we talked about it.
Speaker 1: So I think it's an energetic, creative film, and I
do think there are reasons to celebrate the actual filmmaking.
But the writing and the message behind the film is
just egregious.
Speaker 2: It's just bad. I just want to say, it's indefensible, right, I.
Speaker 3: Just want to say one more thing here keeps coming
up is the same thing about you know, actor playing
a gay person and so on. I don't agree with
this idea, with this notion that you would you have
to be from that country to make a movie, or
to make a TV show, or to make art, any
sort of art about a certain country or culture. I
think that's wrong. I think we have we as human beings,
we have the right to pay homage, to celebrate somebody
else's culture. Having said that, of course you have. It's
only reasonable that you hire people, that you do the research,
that you hire people who are from the country, who
speak the language, who knows about the subject matter, and
you do all that, and that wasn't done here properly.
Speaker 1: I would just add to that that, yes, of course
you can make a film about a country if you're
not part of that country. But there are nuances to that,
and a European right making a film about a Latin
American country that is more than a little disparaging of
that country and it's culture. There's a lot there that it's, like,
I agree, extremely extremely problematic. It's one thing if say,
a Latin American filmmaker comes and makes the film about
America and criticizes American culture, the nuance is different in
that point, because you're not talking about a colonizer criticizing,
you know, people who were colonized.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the reverse. So, but I don't want to.
Speaker 1: We already got into all the reasons that film was problematic,
and I don't even want to rehash them. She So,
Karlo Sophia did an interview today, I don't know, Sunday
or Saturday with CNN.
Speaker 3: You told me about it, Yeah, and I went online
and I watched it again.
Speaker 4: Do a lingle man here.
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure that I So, it's a
fifty five minute interview. I watched the whole thing. I
listened to the whole thing. She it's Spanish the whole time.
The interviewer barely had time or you know, room to
ask any question because she talks non stuff, doesn't let
him ask a lot of questions. But he does ask
a few questions, and again it comes across again comes
off a very very defensive. The entire thing is her crying,
talking about her daughter, her family, and uh. And then
she drops a bomb here and there saying that, you know,
she didn't write all the tweets. He asked specifically about
the Selena Gomez comment she made, you know, and then
she says, no, I didn't write that one. So and
then he stopped. I mean, what else is she gonna
say youlie or you know, are you sure?
Speaker 4: So that's that.
Speaker 3: Then then he asked about Zoe so Dana, and then
he Carlo. Sophia said that they talked, and then he
asked about Netflix, uh and you know, the the company
promoting the movie in the United States, if they talked,
and she said, we're talking, and it was all like
a lot of bs the whole time.
Speaker 2: She you know, she's not sufficiently apologized. No, she's owning
up to anything.
Speaker 3: No, I mean he talks about specific comments and she says, no,
that wasn't me. I used that language because I was
talking as if I was one of the people one
she said. I use that language. I use the third person.
It's like talking, you know, in the third person, because
I was trying to send a message that that's how
the racist talk and how that's to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, I do think some of those tweets could
be taken that way. But lady, why the hell are
you talking so much about this, like you are obsessed
with race and you keep sort of Devil's advocate using
this sort of pseudo racist language, like you know, I
do wonder I did read some of the translations of
the tweets, and I thought, well, I think you could
argue she's being sarcastic here, but she's not doing a
very good job. And also, what the hell are you
constantly talking about black people and Muslims? I mean, at
a certain point, shut up, just shut up about this stuff.
You're obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: And the thing is that with social media, if you
are the kind of person that always talking about the
subject matters, you clearly have an issue with that.
Speaker 2: That's my point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not if you're.
Speaker 1: Being sarcastic, and maybe we could take us take it
a certain way.
Speaker 2: Why are you talking about this all the time.
Speaker 4: All the time?
Speaker 3: I mean, you clearly have a problem with this. So
she talks about how dare you, you know, say that
I said those things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, said she has a Muslim friend,
which I mean, come on, lady, you're really pulling that
one out. I didn't write it. I'm sorry if other
people were a friend in one of my best friends
is Muslim. Like nobody, it is very clear that nobody's
helping her out. That it was said that the CNN
interview she set up on her own. It was not
set up by a publicist or by Netflix or anybody.
She's out there shooting her mouth off, and anybody, any
PR person, publicist, anybody in crisis mode would say shut out, don't, don't.
So the fact that she's out there means she's not
listening to anybody in not listening.
Speaker 3: And she she's very apologetic, and she keeps insisting that
she's being attacked, her family's being attacked, everyone's been attacked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very defensive.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said apologetic.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Defensive.
Speaker 4: She's defensive.
Speaker 3: I speak Lorenzo. Yeah, I'm sorry for thirty years. She's
very defensive. She's not apologizing, That's what I'm saying. She
keeps saying. She kept saying, you know, I'd being attacked,
my family and my daughter, everyone, and she's crying the
whole time. And it's fifty five minutes of that instead
of just saying, you know, I fucked it up. The
things I'm learning, the thing whatever, the things I said
are horrible, right, and I did say those things. But
I'm not that person anymore. I mean, lie about it
if you are, well.
Speaker 1: She clearly is that person, because she's not even owning
up to a yeah.
Speaker 3: But and you know, just say that because you're in
dip shit right now, and you know it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: What's ironic and sort of fascinating about this is that,
I mean, Perez on a certain level is about I
don't think it's very good at getting this message across
all the all the way, but on a certain level,
Million Perez the movie is about how, for instance, being
trans does not make automatically bestow it doesn't make you
a good person. It doesn't bestow sanhood upon you. That
if you know, if you were a bad person and
then you transition, you're still a bad person. And that
is largely the message of Amelia Perez. So it's very
ironic that she is sort of resting on this sort
of persona as a defense, like I could never say
these things because I am a good person. She's not
coming right out and saying I could never say this
because I'm trans, but that is generally the undertone of
her defense of all of this, right, And I just
think it's ironic because that was the one thing about
Amelia Perez that you could that I could argue for
its artistic viability is it's making a decent point of about.
You know, identity does not bestow morality right exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can be a transferson, you can be a.
Speaker 1: Quick you can be a racist, you can be a
mistageniust you know. And you can be a homophobe in
transphobe I love self loathing out there.
Speaker 4: You can even vote to the wrong people as a
queer person anyway.
Speaker 1: Yes, we go in for the right people this time.
So no, all every time, not this time, but anyway.
Speaker 3: So the thing is that what the set of thing
I think that really irritates me makes me so angry
is that it's Netflix responsibility is the is the producers
every Yes, it is because I feel betrayed. I feel
as as someone watching being entertained by a product that
you're selling. I feel betrayed that you didn't do your
fucking research to find out all these things she said
before you even you know, uh, take on the project
and make a movie about it.
Speaker 1: Well that Netflix didn't make the movie well anyway, took
on the distribution of the movie after it was made,
and don't say no to it the own Yeah, I
don't know, I don't know that I necessarily believe that
if Netflix agrees to distribute a movie that they have
to go and scour the social media of every actor
in the movie. I do think that once it became
clear that Amelia Perez had Oscar buzz, then I think
because they are. They have been investing an awful lot
of money in promoting the film as an Oscar, you know,
doing an Oscar campaign, and in that instance, Netflix probably
should have done some work, some due diligence, because all
of that money now has been wasted.
Speaker 4: Right. The same thing can be said about Sandman, you know,
like that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: They research Sandman, that's their own product.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: But no matter what, people behind any project should I mean,
you know, when you hire someone for a company, you know,
to work at a company, you know, you you check
their background, man, you know, so why don't do the
same with actors, especially now in things just gonna get
worse with social media because everyone's on TikTok, everyone is well.
Speaker 1: I can't remember an actor at her level posting shit
like this and leaving it up like how stupid? All right,
that's the part that I don't get, Like you have
been an actress now for years, Like why were you
posting shit like this only three or four years ago.
I maybe I'm looking at it from an American point
of view. I don't know, Like, maybe you know, she's
she's a I know she's Spanish, but I think most
of her work in the last few years has been
in Mexico. She lives and works in Mexico, So I
don't know. Maybe Mexican stars don't have that sort of
scrutiny put on them that we would normally put on people.
I mean, look at her co star Selena Gomez. Just
this week, Selena Gomez, who also needs to get off
social media, she posted a video of herself sobbing over
you know, all of the anti migrant executive orders that
the Trump administration is signing, and she's crying on behalf
of her people, as she said it, because she is,
you know, her family is Mexican. She was widely and
a little unfairly criticized. I understand the idea that it's
performative of her to be turning on a camera and
crying into a camera. On the other hand, people were
quick to say that she you know, she doesn't speak Spanish,
so what difference doesn't make, and that sort of thing,
and you know, yeah, I just funnle of Mexican descent.
Speaker 3: I mean only that in her defense, I don't know
if it was her parents or her grandparents across the border, right,
so she has the family has you.
Speaker 1: Know, a very heals history, and she had to take
the video down because she was so widely criticized and
made fun of. And I guess my point is, I
can't believe no one ever criticized these tweets of Carlo
Sophia's before now. But then again, I don't know what
her following was before this year. I had never even
heard of her before.
Speaker 4: The same here.
Speaker 3: I was just about to say that it's not like,
you know, it's not I don't know, it's not merrow
Street peer.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, even Selena Gomez or is always
all dona. So I don't know how big her following
was back then. But like I said, when we started
following her, like it was right after the can Film
Festival last summer, I noticed immediately I was like, Wow,
she's her whole online persona is just about being about
how she's being attacked, constantly talking about the attacks against
the film against her, and like I said, it's a
trans musical. I have no doubt in twenty twenty five
it's been attacked all over the place. But I just
don't think it helpful to her to take on that.
I mean, fight your battles, obviously, and it's really it
is such a goddamn shame, Like she is a history
making trailblazer, the first trans openly trans out trans person
to be nominated for an Acting Academy Award, and she's
an unrepentant racist and she's a but I mean, I'm
sorry guy.
Speaker 4: Two points here.
Speaker 3: I still make my point that whoever makes those projects,
whoever's in charge of creating these things, need to be
more careful who.
Speaker 4: They hire, no matter what they do.
Speaker 3: I agree, not necessarily in Netflix, the distributor or whatever,
but from scratch, when you start the project, you have
to really look into it because they could have used
somebody else, they could have used another.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of good transactions of them.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, even Mexican actors actresses, So so you know
that's a mistake right there. And as I said, I
fear with trade because you believe not that this movie
was great. But I'm just making the point here. Sandman,
for example, I never read the books and everything, but
I fell in love with some of the episodes of
season one and I was looking forward to watching more right,
and now I'm not going to. So my point is
that you know, you you create these expectations. You you
you sell a product, right, and then you know, all
this stuff comes out and you just say I'm sorry bye. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean, for me, at least, there's it's I
think it's important to occasionally get remind I did that
you know, being a being a member of a marginalized
group does not automatically bestow oh absolutely goodness upon you,
and that we should not make these assumptions about you know,
she's tryed, so she must be a good person. She's trying,
so there's no way she'd be racist. Well no, no,
that's not how it works. And we've seen that many
many times. I know, she keeps making a good reminder.
Speaker 3: During the CNN interview, she keeps making the point that
you know, she's been marginalized, and you know, how could
she be against other people that time.
Speaker 1: I know, especially white queer people, we tend to be
the worst about that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we defend ourselves and we go after the
other group. Yeah, come on, that's not new. It happens.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, she's just another racist queer person.
Speaker 4: So the whole thing is really sad.
Speaker 3: I hate that this is what we're talking about about
two international movies nominated. You know, because I'm still here,
got involved all this. It's just said, it's very sad,
and let's see what happens, because I doubt very much
that they're gonna can't.
Speaker 2: Well, carl I know they're not.
Speaker 1: I don't think anything's gonna happen because Carlo Sophia was
never a front runner. Now, I know the Oscars was
planning on doing that thing where they have like five
former oh they were actress winners come out and then
address each winner. Who's going to want to address Carlo Sophia.
Guess come like, oh Carla, you fucking racis. I was
so touched by your racist tweets. So I'm hearing I'm
reading some reports. I don't have any insight information, but
I've been reading some stuff that says they might be
rethinking that specifically because of Carlo Sophia. Like it's just
not going to work because yeah, now I imagine if
the movie winds I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: I think it's all tank you said.
Speaker 4: You said that people are still voting, right.
Speaker 1: The owner is open until the eighteenth, February eighteenth, so
two more weeks, you know, But I don't think. I mean, no,
it was never gonna happen for her. I was I
think was going to happen for Zoe's Saldana And now
I don't know, But I mean the movie that would
really suck to punish, you know, to it would be
ironic that you're punishing the black woman for something the
white woman, the racist white woman said.
Speaker 4: It is very sad.
Speaker 3: That's why when I say I feel betrayed, I few
horrible because if you watch the Golden Globes and you
watch Zoe Sidana speech winning, yeah, I mean it's just
so touching.
Speaker 1: I think that movie's weird and problematic. But I was
deeply impressed with Zoe and that yes, deeply deeply impressed.
Speaker 2: He gave it her all. The movie asked a lot
of her.
Speaker 1: But whatever, you know, it's not that I Carlos Sophia
Gascon was never my hero. So it's not like I'm
but you know, like that, it's a nice reminder that
you should never assume that marginalized people are automatically good.
It's disappointing, especially now with what's going on in the world,
in the world, in our freaking country and in the country,
and how much hatred everyone had as towards you know,
trans people. So I just want to say, I don't
care how much how much people try and separate the L,
the G, and the B from the T. You will
always be part of our community. You will always be
part of our family.
Speaker 3: I mean, just go and read our history, right, They've
been there since the beginning.
Speaker 1: We will never not stand with our trans siblings. So
just wanted to say that, all right. I think that's
it for this week. We have a very busy week
ahead of us. It looks like award season is back
in full swing. The wildfires are under control, and no
one's talking about canceling anything anymore.
Speaker 2: So we should have a very busy February.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's make money, all right, So we'll be back
next week with whatever crosses the rise acrosses our desk.
Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it,
Bye bye bye.
Speaker 3: The you to at anything