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Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hellokit,

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and welcome back to another edition of the Pso. I

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am the Tea and you're telew Tom Fitzgerald and I'm

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here with the low and your te lot. Lorenzo, my cousin,

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I love the husband.

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Speaker 2: Hello, lovely husband. It is a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Actually, we're trying to we're trying something new. We keep

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saying we're going to do this, but the banging and

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the construction outside Monday to Friday has gotten unworkable for us.

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Speaker 3: So well, the thing is that, let me just explain here.

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We don't know when erupting already, oh my god. Anyway,

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we don't know when they start banging and what time

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of the day.

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Speaker 2: Or when they're gonna be Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they spend two days.

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Speaker 3: We spend two day with no noise, no sound, and

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then all of a sudden they start at seventy eight

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in the morning the next day.

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to predict.

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Speaker 3: How hard to know when, uh, because we always say okay,

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we're going to record it to more and then we

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get up they start bagging.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: We're thinking we're going to try and do this every

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weekend on the weekend and then have it published on Monday.

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So it's a Sunday for us. It's a relatively quiet day,

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although it's.

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Speaker 4: Actually nin because we have the Grammys.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's it's actually a busy day

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for us. We started off by doing our RuPaul's drag

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Race recap. We're doing this in the afternoon, and then

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this evening we have to file a piece with Cosminpolitan

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for the Grammy's Red Carpet.

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Speaker 2: So it's a very busy Sunday, very busy day.

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Speaker 4: For you know, the waiter for Monte Tito.

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Speaker 1: The waiter from Montesito. Yes, all right, so we are

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going to talk about Netflix's very bad, no good, horrible week, specifically,

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Carlos Apia Guscone, the Oscar nominated actress of Amelia Perez,

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has turned out to have some spicy opinions on Netflix

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and I mean on on to Twitter. So we're going

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to get into all of that and how that came about.

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But before that, I just wanted to touch briefly on

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another thing that Netflix screwed up, although I guess technically

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this isn't their fault. Sandman season two will be the

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final season of Neil Gayman's Sandman. We have covered the

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controversy surrounding Neil Gaiman and my own personal feelings about

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it as a longtime fan of the Sandman. It's funny

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when that Netflix announced that it was the final season,

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that they're not going to do any more seasons, which

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I mean everyone was kind of waiting for that announcement. Anyway.

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It's really interesting because at any other time in the

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last thirty years, if I had heard that the Net

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that the Sandman TV series was canceled after two seasons,

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I would have considered it the most disappointing news of

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all times. I mean, I want to say, like, I

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have been waiting a long time for this to be adapted.

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big thrill when it finally happened. It wasn't perfect, but

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it was a good enough adaptation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I never read the books, and I just say

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one thing. I never read the books, and I still

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think about that. The episode about the cats, you know,

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such a beautiful thing, right, so creative, so well done,

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and it's just destroyed, you know.

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Speaker 1: Chatter, destroyed his legacy. And yeah, I'm not shedding any

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tears over its cancelation because I couldn't have watched it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I may I'm going.

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Speaker 1: To watch season two, probably out of curiosity more than

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anything else, especially knowing that it's canceled like r if

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for a third season, then I probably, I know I

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wouldn't have watched it. I've unpacked all of this in

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previous episodes, but there are times when I cannot separate

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the artist from the art.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those times.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, the only reason I'm bringing it up again

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is because they announced that the show was canceled in

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the most bullshit manner possible. And this sort of ties

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is Carlo Sophia Gascoon. But Netflix released this, you know,

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did this press release where you know, we from the

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one of the producers, Allen Heinberg, where he says, you know,

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we looked at the remaining material and we realized that

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we have just told the story we wanted to tell. Okay,

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that is there are I believe eight or nine volumes

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of The Sandman Season one literally only did the first volume.

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Speaker 4: All these new characters, they were going to introduce right.

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Speaker 1: There's literally five or six seasons worth of material on

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that that was. This was always the problem about adapting

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series was always the best way to adapt that story

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because it is such a long story that spans right,

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literally spans millennia.

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Speaker 4: So saying that you don't have an op material for it, why, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why are you insulting, you know, due to the charges

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against Neil Game And it would be not you know,

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blah blah blah, right that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: It would be even more I don't know, more respectful,

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more respectful, you know, for you said, I don't we

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don't stand you know, we don't agree with whatever.

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Speaker 4: Therefore we're going to cancel. Right.

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Speaker 1: No, No, don't don't sit there and say, well, we

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told the story we wanted to tell you. Liar, you them, liar.

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There's like another six or seven years worth of the story.

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gives us a chance to leap off into the Carlo

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Sophia Gascone thing, which gets into how how Oscar campaigns

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are run, who was in charge of running these Oscar campaigns,

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and whether or not Netflix really dropped the ball on

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this or not. But before we get into all of that,

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I want Lorenzo to Oh, let me just say Lorenzo is.

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He doesn't like it when I brag about this, but

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he is multi lingual. My my lovely multi lingual husband.

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That's why it's so much fun to travel Europe with

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Lorenzo because I never have to worry about the language

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barrier married. I'm married to Olingo and this week he

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put his Spanish, French and Portuguese speaking language skills to

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good use to unpack everything that's happened.

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Speaker 2: So let's start with the.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Apia gascon versus Fernando Torrez thing that is sort

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of the preamble to this story. Fernando Torres is the

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star also nominated for Best Actress Brazilian Actress nominated for

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I'm Still Here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Lorenzo, let.

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Speaker 3: Me just explain that I'm I'm a huge fan, as

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you guys know, of any international anything TV series, movies, everything.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to watch movies.

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Speaker 2: But he likes his all American boys.

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Speaker 1: I he likes the boys all America.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. Any Way, too much information there.

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Speaker 3: But I love international movies and and and TV shows

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and so on. So I'm always thrilled when we celebrate

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actors and movies from other countries because they don't get

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an opportunity as often as you know, Hollywood does with

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all these movies out there. So I'm always thrilled. And

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in the case of I'm still here, it's it was

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also a very interesting story because it was a movie

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about a very interesting, uh and serious topic in Brazil,

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political issue in Brazil. Also the actress, the main actress,

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her mother, was nominated for another movie directed by the

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same guy, So that was all very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Nominated twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but still, you know, I mean, how many times

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you have the mother and the daughter being nominated for

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That's just doesn't happen often. So Brazil is very excited

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right now because they they think that this is amazing.

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I mean, the whole the story is amazing.

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Speaker 3: The mother didn't win, but she was still nominated and

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the daughter is the second. I mean the mother was

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the first, and the door is the second actress in

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the country being nominated for for Best Actors for an Oscar.

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Speaker 4: So it is a big thing. So the country is

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hoping she wins. Brazil is very how can I put this?

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Speaker 3: Uh what's the word. But anyway, they're very h They're

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they're they're on social media all the time. They're very active,

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very passionate on social media.

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Speaker 4: So of course they are.

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Speaker 3: You know, rooting for the movie and and you know,

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rooting for for Fernanda Torees and so on, and I'm

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on TikTok all the time, so I get to see

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I get to watch all these videos and for Nadatoris.

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her that she should be more active on on TikTok

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and so on, and she said it, you know, it

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paid off. I mean, she she she got a lot

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more followers, and you know, she got a chance to

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to promote the movie, her career and so on. So

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out of nowhere, she she had a video and she's

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talking about, uh, explaining that you know, when when you

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get nominated, you get all these invitations to go all

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to go to all these parties in Hollywood, and she

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had been invited to go to the W magazine party

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and all the other nominated.

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Speaker 2: The super mandatory natories.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, all the other actresses were there because everybody

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got nominated, and she got to talk to uh Sophia,

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Carlo Sophia, so and how nice she was. He was

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so lovely, and they you know, they spent time talking

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about their movies and so on, and how much they

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and please let's stay positive, and uh, you know, everybody's good.

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Everybody gave a good performance. Bah blah blah, whoever wins.

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she's very polite. She's you know, always you know, staying

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little odd. And right after that, I started reading, you know,

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articles about Carlo Sophia talking about how she's been attacked

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and everyone is after her and that the and then

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the pr team behind Fernanda Tooris and behind the movie

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are attacking her or creating this atmosphere where she's being attacked,

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which it's I would doubt very much. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Let's blow up immediately, right, because it's it is scandalous

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for one Oscar nominated the actress to accuse another Oscar

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nominated actress of somehow sabotaging her nomination, which is essentially

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what Carlo Sophia was saying about Fernanda. And I just

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want to note that throughout award season, you know, we

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writing about her red carpet stuff at that time.

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Speaker 2: So she followed us on Twitter immediately.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was gonna say, and because you know,

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she's a transactress and you know, this was an interesting

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role and she was interesting. We don't always follow celebrities back,

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but I followed her back and I noticed immediately that

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she is has spent all year sort of waging a battle.

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she got and made this very sort of defiant, you

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know speech about you know, being attacked and everything. And listen,

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she's a trans woman. I have no doubt whatsoever. She

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is attacked all the time in her life on social

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media by the press. I understand all of that, and

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that you would want to be championing it every chance

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you get and speaking out against the But I did

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notice almost immediately. I was like, well, she needs to

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Speaker 2: She's coming off really really defensive.

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Speaker 4: So so I thought it was a little odd.

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Speaker 3: And then she mentioned that and she she you know,

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she attacks Fernandatorius, and she also attacked the movie people,

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she said that those words. So I always make sure

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Speaker 4: And she did.

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of understand Spanish. So of course the Brazilian has understood

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what she said and got very angry and just went

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on social media and started attacking her even more.

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do make this this person's life even more you know,

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hallish that it is? Yeah, I mean, so they went

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Speaker 3: Now, then Variety magazines started posting articles about those tweets

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Speaker 2: I am not, And.

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Speaker 1: This past week I told him, I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: I've said that many times. I don't cook, but I'm

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Speaker 2: Not all that is absolutely hundred percent.

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the supermarket often and I buy a lot of stuff

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every Plate. I didn't want to Okay, getting back to

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the Carlo Sophia Gascone situation, I didn't want to jump

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right ahead. I did want to to the offensive tweets

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and how that happened. Yeah, I know, uh so, Fernanda,

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she did respond to this? Did she not respond to this?

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Speaker 4: Or no? As far as I know, she did not.

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Speaker 3: As far as I know, this is the only time

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she talks about meeting other actors nominated and how wonderfully

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it is. Everyone is very talented and let's celebrate everybody.

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said she didn't mean that Fernando or her people, even

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though that's exactly what she said. And we're going to

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see as this story progresses that Carla apparently has the

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problem where she says shit and then claims that she

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didn't say was a one. Yes, so Brazil as as

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on social media, and they have dominated the fandom space.

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you're whether you're talking Taylor Swift or Selena Gumez or

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or Beyonce or anybody, a significant number of people posting

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will be Brazilian because they dominate fandom. This is listen

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to anyone who writes about pop culture knows this. No

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just it's part of the industry, it's part of it,

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It's part of their culture. They are extremely good at

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social media. You do not want to run a bowl

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of Brazilians on social media, trust me on this. So

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I was kind of enjoying the backlash against her. Not

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that I love saying a trans woman torn down, but

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she said some stupid shit about an actress. I mean,

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forer Ninda tourres is like an unassailable The woman is

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very classy, she's a professional. Just the idea that she

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would have engaged in anything like this, it was a

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stupid ass thing for Carla to say, so I was

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kind of enjoying the Brazilians were trashing the shit out

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of her on social media, and as Lorenzo alluded, I

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think there was only a matter of time before something

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like this happened. Now, I don't want to cast dispersions

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on the woman.

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Speaker 4: There's a Canadian reporter, right.

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Speaker 1: A journalist named Sarah Hadgi who she is the one

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who originally tweeted all of these and so I don't

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want to take anything away from her. I guess she

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found it, but I think it was sort of in

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the air. Other people were saying, no, these tweets were

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resurfacing on Twitter in Brazilian fandom communities.

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Speaker 3: I read an interview with her, and she made the points.

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She said, listen, it was all out there.

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Speaker 2: All I need to do was start looking.

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Speaker 3: All I did was type of word and everything came up. Okay,

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you know, resurface.

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Speaker 1: So just to give you an idea, I'm not going

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to read all of these tweets well, first off, that

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it was I mean I had I started laughing because

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it it just reached ridiculous proportions that she didn't just

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tweet one or two offensive things.

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Speaker 2: It was like dozens. And it was when.

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Speaker 1: It got to the one where she was more or

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less saying Hitler had some good ideas.

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Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, lady, holy shit. She didn't literally.

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Speaker 3: No, no, but it was like, you know, kind of like

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a page a day and an offensive.

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Speaker 1: Offensive tweet to day day calendar. It was a lot

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of Islamophobic stuff. She really does not like Muslims at all.

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She made some very very questionable comments about George Floyd

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and about the Black Lives Matter movement, calling him a

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drug addict that nobody cared about. Gomez allegedly she allegedly

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there is I've seen screen caps of it where she

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calls her a rat. Cleenagum is is her co star

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spoiled rat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I mean when you get when you.

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Speaker 2: Start ugly, ugly, ugly, when you start.

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Speaker 3: Tweeting about Hitler and the Holocaust and all that, I mean,

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it's like bottom like this, I mean lower than that.

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Speaker 1: And then she she trashed the Oscar ceremony from like

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twenty twenty one or whatever. It was a year no

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mad Land one and it was the year they had

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that sort of lockdown Oscars with.

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Speaker 4: It was the parasite one.

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Speaker 3: Woh got it because she was just saying that what

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am I watching here? Something about a lot of Asian people.

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Speaker 1: On State Korean Film Festival, Black Lives Matter Film Festival.

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It was just all this offensive, racially offensive stuff that

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she had been tweeting for years, and all of this

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stuff came out and.

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Speaker 4: Then she you shoot a second apology.

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Speaker 1: Well, first off, when all the stuff came out, at first,

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there was no nothing, nothing from Netflix, nothing from her

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because I think it caught her off guard, which what

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how did why are these okay?

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Speaker 3: And we're not talking? Came about tweets when she was

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seventeen years old, and this.

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Speaker 4: Was like two or three years ago. She was like

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forty right, right, you know, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't claim you ful, You can't claim She was already

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a famous actress at that point, like not world fame.

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It's not as famous as she is now, but she was.

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Speaker 2: In the public eye.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand how someone is tweeting that sort

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of stuff.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I keep saying.

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Speaker 3: I've said many, many times, social media is at for

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a celebrity. You know, social media is a very dangerous

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place to be. Yeah, you can't just go there and

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type things because they'll stay on online forever, yeah, even

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if you delete them. So more tweets came out, and

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then she she issued a second apology, and that with

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the second apology, she became very very defensive. She's defensive, yeah,

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saying that everyone was attacking her and you know, her

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family and her daughter, her daughter, and then she had

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to you know, life was hell and so on and

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so on. But then more tweets came out and they

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kept coming and mean so many. I'm telling you, I

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mean you can have like's not Oh.

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Speaker 1: She shut she had a bad day and shot her

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mouth off. This is a clear point of view, a

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persistent point of view that she expressed over years.

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Speaker 3: Right and I I'll talk about Netflix and all that later,

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but right now we're focusing on on her and you know,

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and typical which drives me crazy when the apology is

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always like, well if I offended you, come.

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Speaker 1: On, honey, honey, you said Hitler had some good ideas

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about the Jews or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Hitler had idea.

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Speaker 3: Simply, No, Hitler simply had ideas or had thoughts about.

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Speaker 2: The Jews or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Come on, come on, and then come on, and then

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you you claim that they were out of context. How

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can a tweet be out of context. I mean it's

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a sentence there, okay, loaded sentence anyway, instead of just saying,

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you know, I'm sorry, it was.

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Speaker 2: A dark period of life. I regret everything I said,

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I I learned whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I really said those things, and they're horrible.

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And now I don't feel that way. I don't think

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that way. I don't know what was going on. And

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that's it, because you know your career is going to

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be over anyway, So what is the point of getting

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defensive and and fighting it exactly anyway? So so things

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got really really bad, and if you go and TikTok

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Jesus Christ h my phone is like vibrating all the

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time with everybody angry, angry, angry about the whole thing,

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and and the whole thing is just a fiasca because

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the director I was just reading the director gave an interview,

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uh talking about why they ask why because you know,

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there's this whole thing about you know, a French director

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directing a movie about Mexico and why you know and

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so on, and then the interviewer asking him why why

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it's Spanish? You know, why why did you choose Spanish?

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And I think he was trying to make a point

474
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:57,359
that it's a language spoken, you know, by a lot

475
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,680
of people on the planet. You know, it is in fact,

476
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,799
so I don't know how he worded it, but he

477
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,880
kept saying that, you know, it's a language spoken by

478
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,359
a lot of migrants and poor countries and so on,

479
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,200
and I'm like, what are you saying.

480
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: I thought you did watch the interviews.

481
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: And again I went online and I was like, all right,

482
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,319
let me watch the interview, and he did say that

483
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,960
in French. He says it, he says.

484
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: This movie is and I'm like, oh, my haunted, this

485
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,319
movie is haunted.

486
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: And then and then they I feel bad. I feel

487
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,480
bad for Zoe Soudana because you know, she's.

488
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,839
Speaker 1: The one I feel the most feel bad because she

489
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,039
gave a great performance.

490
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: She she uh is uh.

491
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: Was this week I think probably one of the front

492
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,680
runners for Best Supporting Actress. I think she has clearly

493
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,839
been very overwhelmed and thrilled by the regard she's been

494
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,960
getting at this point in her career, and she said

495
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,079
that she didn't feel like people held her in very

496
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,599
high regard before now, so I mean, I do feel

497
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,119
bad for And she was asked this week. She did

498
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,720
a Q and A this week in which Carlo Sofia

499
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,880
was supposed to appear and did not appear, and you know,

500
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,559
she was asked about it, and of course they're going

501
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:14,599
to ask her about it. But it's also not fair

502
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,720
that they're asking her about it because it clearly has

503
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,359
nothing to do with her. She didn't say these things,

504
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,519
and she didn't know that someone else had said these things, right,

505
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:23,240
And if.

506
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,039
Speaker 3: They end up going to the oscars, all of them,

507
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:27,680
that's all they're going to ask them.

508
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: So the thing is, the three of them, Selena, Zoe

509
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:36,200
and Carlo Sophia have been posing on every red carpet

510
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,039
all year long, the three of them, you know, like

511
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:39,799
holding hands and sisterhood and all that.

512
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:40,839
Speaker 4: Just go to our site.

513
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: And I just don't see that happening on Oscar night.

514
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: I I mean I.

515
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,319
Speaker 1: Would if she were asking me, if I worked for

516
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,759
Carlo Sophia's team, I would be like, don't go, just

517
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,319
don't go. Right, just don't go. You're not going to win.

518
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,079
She wasn't upfront runner anyway. But what's interesting to me

519
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,880
is that these comments are so offensive and this was

520
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,799
handled so badly that she this could single handedly tank

521
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,960
all of a million Perez's nominations, and it got an

522
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,400
almost history making thirteen nominations.

523
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,279
Speaker 3: As everyone pointing out, because I like to get all

524
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,319
the angles, you know, and all the openis as much

525
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,359
as possible, I mean, as a lot of people pointing

526
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,200
out on TikTok and other places too, is like it's

527
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,000
a kind of movie that people were rooting for in

528
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,599
a way because it was a trans woman being nominated

529
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,440
for Best Actress and is the first one, so everyone

530
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,319
was hoping that that would be a great thing, especially now.

531
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't think people were looking at the movie critically

532
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,799
enough though. I think that the part of the reason

533
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,039
it got thirteen nominations, even though it is an incredibly

534
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:57,359
problematic and I would argue on some levels offensively problematic movie.

535
00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,799
But I do think part of it is people rush

536
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,680
to give this movie because it was you know, Translatina,

537
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:05,920
Like they just wanted to give this movie.

538
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,759
Speaker 3: I think it's a flowers. I think that's probably in general.

539
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:11,960
And we feel that pressure because we talk about movies

540
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,920
and we talk about TV shows. We kind of feel

541
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,359
the same pressures as movie and TV critics and reviewers.

542
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,359
We got the kind of pressure people want, people want.

543
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:24,319
They pressure people to come out immediately with a review

544
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,240
or with something to say about the movie, and people

545
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,480
don't take their time sometimes to really looking, you know,

546
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,359
at something and analyze it and come up with a

547
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,079
better opinion about it. And I think that's true about

548
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:39,160
the movie if you go back and watch it again

549
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,960
and you know, with a more critical which I did,

550
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,880
and you go like, wow, yes, I see all the

551
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,799
things that including you, you know, pointing out the last

552
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:49,000
time we talked about it.

553
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:52,359
Speaker 1: So I think it's an energetic, creative film, and I

554
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:58,559
do think there are reasons to celebrate the actual filmmaking.

555
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,839
But the writing and the message behind the film is

556
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,160
just egregious.

557
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: It's just bad. I just want to say, it's indefensible, right, I.

558
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: Just want to say one more thing here keeps coming

559
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,599
up is the same thing about you know, actor playing

560
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,839
a gay person and so on. I don't agree with

561
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,839
this idea, with this notion that you would you have

562
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,599
to be from that country to make a movie, or

563
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:22,880
to make a TV show, or to make art, any

564
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720
sort of art about a certain country or culture. I

565
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,799
think that's wrong. I think we have we as human beings,

566
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:32,480
we have the right to pay homage, to celebrate somebody

567
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,960
else's culture. Having said that, of course you have. It's

568
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,119
only reasonable that you hire people, that you do the research,

569
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,680
that you hire people who are from the country, who

570
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,359
speak the language, who knows about the subject matter, and

571
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,359
you do all that, and that wasn't done here properly.

572
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: I would just add to that that, yes, of course

573
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,200
you can make a film about a country if you're

574
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,119
not part of that country. But there are nuances to that,

575
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,079
and a European right making a film about a Latin

576
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:09,160
American country that is more than a little disparaging of

577
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,759
that country and it's culture. There's a lot there that it's, like,

578
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,920
I agree, extremely extremely problematic. It's one thing if say,

579
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,559
a Latin American filmmaker comes and makes the film about

580
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,839
America and criticizes American culture, the nuance is different in

581
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,720
that point, because you're not talking about a colonizer criticizing,

582
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,759
you know, people who were colonized.

583
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,359
Speaker 2: You're talking about the reverse. So, but I don't want to.

584
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,079
Speaker 1: We already got into all the reasons that film was problematic,

585
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,200
and I don't even want to rehash them. She So,

586
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Karlo Sophia did an interview today, I don't know, Sunday

587
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,680
or Saturday with CNN.

588
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,519
Speaker 3: You told me about it, Yeah, and I went online

589
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,200
and I watched it again.

590
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,599
Speaker 4: Do a lingle man here.

591
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure that I So, it's a

592
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,319
fifty five minute interview. I watched the whole thing. I

593
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,400
listened to the whole thing. She it's Spanish the whole time.

594
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,599
The interviewer barely had time or you know, room to

595
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,359
ask any question because she talks non stuff, doesn't let

596
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,519
him ask a lot of questions. But he does ask

597
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:17,680
a few questions, and again it comes across again comes

598
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,519
off a very very defensive. The entire thing is her crying,

599
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,480
talking about her daughter, her family, and uh. And then

600
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,559
she drops a bomb here and there saying that, you know,

601
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,640
she didn't write all the tweets. He asked specifically about

602
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,960
the Selena Gomez comment she made, you know, and then

603
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:39,039
she says, no, I didn't write that one. So and

604
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:40,880
then he stopped. I mean, what else is she gonna

605
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,039
say youlie or you know, are you sure?

606
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: So that's that.

607
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: Then then he asked about Zoe so Dana, and then

608
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,680
he Carlo. Sophia said that they talked, and then he

609
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,839
asked about Netflix, uh and you know, the the company

610
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,519
promoting the movie in the United States, if they talked,

611
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,880
and she said, we're talking, and it was all like

612
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:03,960
a lot of bs the whole time.

613
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:08,119
Speaker 2: She you know, she's not sufficiently apologized. No, she's owning

614
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,000
up to anything.

615
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,839
Speaker 3: No, I mean he talks about specific comments and she says, no,

616
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,880
that wasn't me. I used that language because I was

617
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,720
talking as if I was one of the people one

618
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,039
she said. I use that language. I use the third person.

619
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,759
It's like talking, you know, in the third person, because

620
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,119
I was trying to send a message that that's how

621
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,440
the racist talk and how that's to.

622
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,799
Speaker 1: Be honest, I do think some of those tweets could

623
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:37,160
be taken that way. But lady, why the hell are

624
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,720
you talking so much about this, like you are obsessed

625
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:44,720
with race and you keep sort of Devil's advocate using

626
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,880
this sort of pseudo racist language, like you know, I

627
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,599
do wonder I did read some of the translations of

628
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,079
the tweets, and I thought, well, I think you could

629
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,440
argue she's being sarcastic here, but she's not doing a

630
00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,960
very good job. And also, what the hell are you

631
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,079
constantly talking about black people and Muslims? I mean, at

632
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,079
a certain point, shut up, just shut up about this stuff.

633
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:08,359
You're obsessed with it.

634
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,759
Speaker 3: And the thing is that with social media, if you

635
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,359
are the kind of person that always talking about the

636
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,680
subject matters, you clearly have an issue with that.

637
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,319
Speaker 2: That's my point.

638
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not if you're.

639
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Being sarcastic, and maybe we could take us take it

640
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:20,839
a certain way.

641
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: Why are you talking about this all the time.

642
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:23,039
Speaker 4: All the time?

643
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,559
Speaker 3: I mean, you clearly have a problem with this. So

644
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,400
she talks about how dare you, you know, say that

645
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,519
I said those things.

646
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, said she has a Muslim friend,

647
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,759
which I mean, come on, lady, you're really pulling that

648
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,880
one out. I didn't write it. I'm sorry if other

649
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,880
people were a friend in one of my best friends

650
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,559
is Muslim. Like nobody, it is very clear that nobody's

651
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:47,759
helping her out. That it was said that the CNN

652
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,799
interview she set up on her own. It was not

653
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,519
set up by a publicist or by Netflix or anybody.

654
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,720
She's out there shooting her mouth off, and anybody, any

655
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:02,000
PR person, publicist, anybody in crisis mode would say shut out, don't, don't.

656
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:04,359
So the fact that she's out there means she's not

657
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,359
listening to anybody in not listening.

658
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: And she she's very apologetic, and she keeps insisting that

659
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,800
she's being attacked, her family's being attacked, everyone's been attacked.

660
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:14,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very defensive.

661
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:15,119
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

662
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said apologetic.

663
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:18,079
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no.

664
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: Defensive.

665
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: She's defensive.

666
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: I speak Lorenzo. Yeah, I'm sorry for thirty years. She's

667
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:26,800
very defensive. She's not apologizing, That's what I'm saying. She

668
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
keeps saying. She kept saying, you know, I'd being attacked,

669
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,559
my family and my daughter, everyone, and she's crying the

670
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,519
whole time. And it's fifty five minutes of that instead

671
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,840
of just saying, you know, I fucked it up. The

672
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,039
things I'm learning, the thing whatever, the things I said

673
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,400
are horrible, right, and I did say those things. But

674
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,920
I'm not that person anymore. I mean, lie about it

675
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,599
if you are, well.

676
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: She clearly is that person, because she's not even owning

677
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:50,239
up to a yeah.

678
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: But and you know, just say that because you're in

679
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,360
dip shit right now, and you know it doesn't matter.

680
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,559
Speaker 1: What's ironic and sort of fascinating about this is that,

681
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,639
I mean, Perez on a certain level is about I

682
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:08,000
don't think it's very good at getting this message across

683
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,719
all the all the way, but on a certain level,

684
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,280
Million Perez the movie is about how, for instance, being

685
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,480
trans does not make automatically bestow it doesn't make you

686
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,440
a good person. It doesn't bestow sanhood upon you. That

687
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,760
if you know, if you were a bad person and

688
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,480
then you transition, you're still a bad person. And that

689
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:30,760
is largely the message of Amelia Perez. So it's very

690
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,400
ironic that she is sort of resting on this sort

691
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,960
of persona as a defense, like I could never say

692
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,039
these things because I am a good person. She's not

693
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:42,800
coming right out and saying I could never say this

694
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,880
because I'm trans, but that is generally the undertone of

695
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,320
her defense of all of this, right, And I just

696
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,800
think it's ironic because that was the one thing about

697
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,519
Amelia Perez that you could that I could argue for

698
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:00,320
its artistic viability is it's making a decent point of about.

699
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:06,400
You know, identity does not bestow morality right exactly exactly.

700
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you can be a transferson, you can be a.

701
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,599
Speaker 1: Quick you can be a racist, you can be a

702
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:14,280
mistageniust you know. And you can be a homophobe in

703
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,679
transphobe I love self loathing out there.

704
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 4: You can even vote to the wrong people as a

705
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,599
queer person anyway.

706
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,079
Speaker 1: Yes, we go in for the right people this time.

707
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,840
So no, all every time, not this time, but anyway.

708
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,079
Speaker 3: So the thing is that what the set of thing

709
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,039
I think that really irritates me makes me so angry

710
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:37,679
is that it's Netflix responsibility is the is the producers

711
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,320
every Yes, it is because I feel betrayed. I feel

712
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,800
as as someone watching being entertained by a product that

713
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,559
you're selling. I feel betrayed that you didn't do your

714
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,760
fucking research to find out all these things she said

715
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,079
before you even you know, uh, take on the project

716
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:57,280
and make a movie about it.

717
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: Well that Netflix didn't make the movie well anyway, took

718
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,519
on the distribution of the movie after it was made,

719
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,400
and don't say no to it the own Yeah, I

720
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,760
don't know, I don't know that I necessarily believe that

721
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,920
if Netflix agrees to distribute a movie that they have

722
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,239
to go and scour the social media of every actor

723
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,800
in the movie. I do think that once it became

724
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,800
clear that Amelia Perez had Oscar buzz, then I think

725
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,079
because they are. They have been investing an awful lot

726
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,679
of money in promoting the film as an Oscar, you know,

727
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,199
doing an Oscar campaign, and in that instance, Netflix probably

728
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,440
should have done some work, some due diligence, because all

729
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,920
of that money now has been wasted.

730
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 4: Right. The same thing can be said about Sandman, you know,

731
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,039
like that's what I mean.

732
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: They research Sandman, that's their own product.

733
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 4: I know.

734
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,599
Speaker 3: But no matter what, people behind any project should I mean,

735
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,039
you know, when you hire someone for a company, you know,

736
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,880
to work at a company, you know, you you check

737
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,880
their background, man, you know, so why don't do the

738
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,679
same with actors, especially now in things just gonna get

739
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,639
worse with social media because everyone's on TikTok, everyone is well.

740
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember an actor at her level posting shit

741
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,960
like this and leaving it up like how stupid? All right,

742
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,719
that's the part that I don't get, Like you have

743
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,519
been an actress now for years, Like why were you

744
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,000
posting shit like this only three or four years ago.

745
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,199
I maybe I'm looking at it from an American point

746
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,639
of view. I don't know, Like, maybe you know, she's

747
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,079
she's a I know she's Spanish, but I think most

748
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,480
of her work in the last few years has been

749
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,760
in Mexico. She lives and works in Mexico, So I

750
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,800
don't know. Maybe Mexican stars don't have that sort of

751
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,360
scrutiny put on them that we would normally put on people.

752
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,320
I mean, look at her co star Selena Gomez. Just

753
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,280
this week, Selena Gomez, who also needs to get off

754
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,559
social media, she posted a video of herself sobbing over

755
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,079
you know, all of the anti migrant executive orders that

756
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,400
the Trump administration is signing, and she's crying on behalf

757
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,559
of her people, as she said it, because she is,

758
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,760
you know, her family is Mexican. She was widely and

759
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,719
a little unfairly criticized. I understand the idea that it's

760
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239
performative of her to be turning on a camera and

761
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,000
crying into a camera. On the other hand, people were

762
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,119
quick to say that she you know, she doesn't speak Spanish,

763
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,039
so what difference doesn't make, and that sort of thing,

764
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,800
and you know, yeah, I just funnle of Mexican descent.

765
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: I mean only that in her defense, I don't know

766
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,280
if it was her parents or her grandparents across the border, right,

767
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,199
so she has the family has you.

768
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: Know, a very heals history, and she had to take

769
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,960
the video down because she was so widely criticized and

770
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,079
made fun of. And I guess my point is, I

771
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:47,519
can't believe no one ever criticized these tweets of Carlo

772
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,639
Sophia's before now. But then again, I don't know what

773
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,360
her following was before this year. I had never even

774
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,400
heard of her before.

775
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: The same here.

776
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,559
Speaker 3: I was just about to say that it's not like,

777
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,360
you know, it's not I don't know, it's not merrow

778
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Street peer.

779
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, even Selena Gomez or is always

780
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,079
all dona. So I don't know how big her following

781
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,679
was back then. But like I said, when we started

782
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,320
following her, like it was right after the can Film

783
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,119
Festival last summer, I noticed immediately I was like, Wow,

784
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,480
she's her whole online persona is just about being about

785
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,519
how she's being attacked, constantly talking about the attacks against

786
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:24,960
the film against her, and like I said, it's a

787
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
trans musical. I have no doubt in twenty twenty five

788
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:32,159
it's been attacked all over the place. But I just

789
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,400
don't think it helpful to her to take on that.

790
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,920
I mean, fight your battles, obviously, and it's really it

791
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:43,199
is such a goddamn shame, Like she is a history

792
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,960
making trailblazer, the first trans openly trans out trans person

793
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:53,920
to be nominated for an Acting Academy Award, and she's

794
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,239
an unrepentant racist and she's a but I mean, I'm

795
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,679
sorry guy.

796
00:40:58,159 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: Two points here.

797
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: I still make my point that whoever makes those projects,

798
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,679
whoever's in charge of creating these things, need to be

799
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,519
more careful who.

800
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,519
Speaker 4: They hire, no matter what they do.

801
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,599
Speaker 3: I agree, not necessarily in Netflix, the distributor or whatever,

802
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,239
but from scratch, when you start the project, you have

803
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,199
to really look into it because they could have used

804
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,719
somebody else, they could have used another.

805
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: There's plenty of good transactions of them.

806
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure, even Mexican actors actresses, So so you know

807
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,360
that's a mistake right there. And as I said, I

808
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,719
fear with trade because you believe not that this movie

809
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,280
was great. But I'm just making the point here. Sandman,

810
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,119
for example, I never read the books and everything, but

811
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:35,960
I fell in love with some of the episodes of

812
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,480
season one and I was looking forward to watching more right,

813
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,039
and now I'm not going to. So my point is

814
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,559
that you know, you you create these expectations. You you

815
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,480
you sell a product, right, and then you know, all

816
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:53,000
this stuff comes out and you just say I'm sorry bye. Yeah.

817
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, for me, at least, there's it's I

818
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:00,360
think it's important to occasionally get remind I did that

819
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:05,480
you know, being a being a member of a marginalized

820
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:09,800
group does not automatically bestow oh absolutely goodness upon you,

821
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,760
and that we should not make these assumptions about you know,

822
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,559
she's tryed, so she must be a good person. She's trying,

823
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:17,960
so there's no way she'd be racist. Well no, no,

824
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,400
that's not how it works. And we've seen that many

825
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,360
many times. I know, she keeps making a good reminder.

826
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: During the CNN interview, she keeps making the point that

827
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,639
you know, she's been marginalized, and you know, how could

828
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:31,280
she be against other people that time.

829
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,519
Speaker 1: I know, especially white queer people, we tend to be

830
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:38,280
the worst about that sort of thing.

831
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,159
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we defend ourselves and we go after the

832
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,880
other group. Yeah, come on, that's not new. It happens.

833
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:49,679
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, she's just another racist queer person.

834
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 4: So the whole thing is really sad.

835
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 3: I hate that this is what we're talking about about

836
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,280
two international movies nominated. You know, because I'm still here,

837
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,039
got involved all this. It's just said, it's very sad,

838
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:05,480
and let's see what happens, because I doubt very much

839
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:06,639
that they're gonna can't.

840
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: Well, carl I know they're not.

841
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anything's gonna happen because Carlo Sophia was

842
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:14,199
never a front runner. Now, I know the Oscars was

843
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,159
planning on doing that thing where they have like five

844
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,800
former oh they were actress winners come out and then

845
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,239
address each winner. Who's going to want to address Carlo Sophia.

846
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,039
Guess come like, oh Carla, you fucking racis. I was

847
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:33,639
so touched by your racist tweets. So I'm hearing I'm

848
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,559
reading some reports. I don't have any insight information, but

849
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:38,320
I've been reading some stuff that says they might be

850
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,320
rethinking that specifically because of Carlo Sophia. Like it's just

851
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,199
not going to work because yeah, now I imagine if

852
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,199
the movie winds I don't think it is.

853
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: I think it's all tank you said.

854
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:49,559
Speaker 4: You said that people are still voting, right.

855
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,119
Speaker 1: The owner is open until the eighteenth, February eighteenth, so

856
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,199
two more weeks, you know, But I don't think. I mean, no,

857
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,639
it was never gonna happen for her. I was I

858
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,840
think was going to happen for Zoe's Saldana And now

859
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,360
I don't know, But I mean the movie that would

860
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,920
really suck to punish, you know, to it would be

861
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:12,079
ironic that you're punishing the black woman for something the

862
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:13,960
white woman, the racist white woman said.

863
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: It is very sad.

864
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: That's why when I say I feel betrayed, I few

865
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,440
horrible because if you watch the Golden Globes and you

866
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,039
watch Zoe Sidana speech winning, yeah, I mean it's just

867
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:24,960
so touching.

868
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,639
Speaker 1: I think that movie's weird and problematic. But I was

869
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,199
deeply impressed with Zoe and that yes, deeply deeply impressed.

870
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: He gave it her all. The movie asked a lot

871
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,639
of her.

872
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: But whatever, you know, it's not that I Carlos Sophia

873
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,519
Gascon was never my hero. So it's not like I'm

874
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,159
but you know, like that, it's a nice reminder that

875
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,239
you should never assume that marginalized people are automatically good.

876
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:54,639
It's disappointing, especially now with what's going on in the world,

877
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,280
in the world, in our freaking country and in the country,

878
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,960
and how much hatred everyone had as towards you know,

879
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,960
trans people. So I just want to say, I don't

880
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,079
care how much how much people try and separate the L,

881
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,320
the G, and the B from the T. You will

882
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,840
always be part of our community. You will always be

883
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:14,840
part of our family.

884
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean, just go and read our history, right, They've

885
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,480
been there since the beginning.

886
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: We will never not stand with our trans siblings. So

887
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,400
just wanted to say that, all right. I think that's

888
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,960
it for this week. We have a very busy week

889
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,079
ahead of us. It looks like award season is back

890
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,639
in full swing. The wildfires are under control, and no

891
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,639
one's talking about canceling anything anymore.

892
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: So we should have a very busy February.

893
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,639
Speaker 1: Yes, let's make money, all right, So we'll be back

894
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:43,679
next week with whatever crosses the rise acrosses our desk.

895
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,679
Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it,

896
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,400
Bye bye bye.

897
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: The you to at anything