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Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys, I'm Jules you see me here before,
Speaker 4: host of the Great Pill Podcast. Yeah stoke tonight to
Speaker 4: hear a little bit about what Ethan has to say,
Speaker 4: to hear about his book, and uh yeah, man, just
Speaker 4: to hear about the fourth Initiate. I'm you know, I
Speaker 4: have a lot of shows I do. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to get into that whole spiel right now. I can
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Speaker 2: Definitely check it out. Definitely, so yeah, I would say
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Speaker 4: So thanks for thanks for inviting me on again.
Speaker 1: Of course, always love having you man.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you for joining us then, and we
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Speaker 1: What is going on, sir? How are you well?
Speaker 7: I bow to all of you. Thank you so much
Speaker 7: for the inclusion and support. I really appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm on all the usual social media writing articles frequently
Speaker 7: and easily cut I'll have to fix that tabulation, I guess,
Speaker 7: and easy to find on all the social media. And
Speaker 7: the fourth initiation really came about from my obsession with
Speaker 7: what I call the duality of polarity, or you could
Speaker 7: just say four.
Speaker 5: Uh and I you know, I.
Speaker 7: Explored really a whole philosophical outlook kind of universalism, uh,
Speaker 7: bringing together different sources of more or less the same
Speaker 7: principles or different takes on the same principle of this
Speaker 7: duality of polarity in the matrix of four. And as
Speaker 7: time went on, I realized that there was a whole
Speaker 7: other Really, the matrix of four is accused of being
Speaker 7: esoteric in one sense, but there was a whole other
Speaker 7: esoteric level to this duality of polarity. And so the
Speaker 7: fourth initiation, there is no prior three.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: The fourth initiation is essentially where I explored the esoteric
Speaker 7: and the exoteric understandings of different teachings. And this is
Speaker 7: a significant polarity when we look at any allegory or
Speaker 7: so on and so forth. Another polarity that is in
Speaker 7: the world we live, not necessarily within the interpretation, but
Speaker 7: is kind of put forth in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 7: Is the basic and the capital, or the base in
Speaker 7: the capital if you think about a pole, or the
Speaker 7: basic and the enlightened, if you will. And a lot
Speaker 7: of societal interpretations are kind of on the growth side
Speaker 7: of the polarity. So let's let's go to the imagers,
Speaker 7: and I'll start to tell kind of the little story
Speaker 7: and you guys, if you have anything to to say,
Speaker 7: please go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm sure of course. Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: So for me, the idea around this duality of polarity
Speaker 7: or four began in a very exoteric manner. And is
Speaker 7: that is that I wonder the images aren't coming through?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you would have to actually open
Speaker 2: up the image probably and then choose that as the
Speaker 2: window to share.
Speaker 7: Shoot, my bust. Well, I'll just I'll just read read
Speaker 7: this as as I try to export a few of these.
Speaker 7: So I wrote The Complete Patriots Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism,
Speaker 7: and I conceptualize that there's four types of mind states.
Speaker 7: Idiots avoid all new pertinent information, Zelots ask only certain
Speaker 7: questions of certain information, Elitists question information in order to
Speaker 7: manipulate and reap gains off the information. And patriots question
Speaker 7: information to share with others and benefit progress, initiate progress.
Speaker 5: If you will.
Speaker 7: And so this is kind of a really exoteric, simple
Speaker 7: kind of way of understanding things.
Speaker 5: And as I was exploring that.
Speaker 7: Book, I realized that there were all sorts of different
Speaker 7: aspects or sets of four, where there's over three and
Speaker 7: a unsaid fourth right and one of the powerful ones
Speaker 7: that I used, I think is the four wise monkeys,
Speaker 7: and that is usually considered to be the three wise monkeys,
Speaker 7: more widely known as the three Wise monkeys, but there's
Speaker 7: actually four. There's see no evil, which is kind of
Speaker 7: like the idiot that I put forth. There, there's here
Speaker 7: no evil, which is kind of like the zealot. There's
Speaker 7: speak no evil, which is very much like the elitists.
Speaker 7: And there is fear no evil or do no evil.
Speaker 7: And this monkey holds his abdomen right, and he's unmoved
Speaker 7: and he's unafraid.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: So this this also has a whole esoteric construct to it,
Speaker 7: and not just the exoteric as well, very very prominent
Speaker 7: in Buddhism. This next one is from the Allegory of
Speaker 7: the Cave, in which most people point out that there's
Speaker 7: three character types in the Allegory of the Cave, the prisoners,
Speaker 7: the captors, and the freed prisoner. But there's actually, excuse me,
Speaker 7: two different types of prisoners. There's the chained and the unchained, right,
Speaker 7: and this is this is very much like the idiots
Speaker 7: and the zelots.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: The zelots don't need to be chained because it's they're
Speaker 7: they're so entangled by the images, and so as I
Speaker 7: began exploring things further, there's this whole kind of system
Speaker 7: of understanding that really I put forth in the matrix
Speaker 7: of four as four parts of four aspects. In other words,
Speaker 7: each each of these four aspects has four parts. Excuse
Speaker 7: my redundancy. And the first one I use is arithmetic,
Speaker 7: and this is one that is absolute. There was a
Speaker 7: time period where people were obsessed, where mathematicians were obsessed
Speaker 7: with looking for a fifth operation.
Speaker 5: Of arithmetic, and there really are noney.
Speaker 7: All of mathematics goes upon the four operations of arithmetic,
Speaker 7: and certainly in a very duality.
Speaker 5: Of polarity modality.
Speaker 7: And I call that the four aspects of the mental, right,
Speaker 7: the four absolutes of the mental. There's also the breath
Speaker 7: is the one I use for the physical. We can
Speaker 7: we can go to that nick. The breath is an absolute,
Speaker 7: not all life, but it's pretty much an absolute for
Speaker 7: breathing life. That there is an inhalation and a pause full,
Speaker 7: an exhalation and a pause empty. This is kind of
Speaker 7: a meditation technique to accentuate and be mindful of the
Speaker 7: pauses as well as the inhalation and exhalation and our breath,
Speaker 7: which I use is the absolute of physical as opposed
Speaker 7: to mental arithmetic functions. Just like this Yin yang depiction
Speaker 7: of orbits, all all objects in orbit of one another
Speaker 7: all around the universe. We can pretty much presume that's
Speaker 7: like a big absolute. It may not be true everywhere
Speaker 7: in the universe, for it is a big place, but
Speaker 7: everywhere where there's objects in orbit, there are four.
Speaker 5: Seasons, there's the there's.
Speaker 7: The duality of polarity of equinoxes and solstices.
Speaker 3: And so I got a quick question is do you
Speaker 3: believe the number four and all of these polarities are
Speaker 3: a type of transcendence from merely the physical realm.
Speaker 7: I do believe that there is an aspect of understanding
Speaker 7: the physical real realm towards being an empowered being in
Speaker 7: this realm. And there's also the meditative and initiatory aspects
Speaker 7: for certain And actually, that was funny you should mention
Speaker 7: headless because that's really kind of the next idea where
Speaker 7: I'm going, which, uh, what I use for the absolute
Speaker 7: of orbit is clear, all objects are in orbit. The
Speaker 7: next image nick is the own symbol, and this is
Speaker 7: one of the oldest symbols on the planet, and it
Speaker 7: is in four parts, and it is described in a
Speaker 7: duality of polarity, and one can conceptualize it as a
Speaker 7: depiction of consciousness for the material world and also a
Speaker 7: initiatory device for self development and enlightenment. Here we see
Speaker 7: on the left there that backwards, Well, what looks like
Speaker 7: the three actually contains two parts, right, And I was
Speaker 7: going to say, go to the next image, but I
Speaker 7: I need.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 7: Uh So there's the duality of polarity of the OM symbol,
Speaker 7: and the highest level is called Terrea, which simply means
Speaker 7: the fourth So there's deep sleep and deep awakening, and
Speaker 7: then there's deep dreaming.
Speaker 5: And there's.
Speaker 7: The terrea, the absolute deep awakening, right, and the point
Speaker 7: is the terrea.
Speaker 5: The line underneath.
Speaker 7: That is the Sea of Mara or the barrier or whatever.
Speaker 7: That is virtually impossible to cross this chasm from the
Speaker 7: third state to the fourth state. But it is possible,
Speaker 7: but but it takes takes a lot of dedication.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, do you know how deeply proto Indo European
Speaker 3: that symbol feels to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Think about that as a mountain, right, all of these
Speaker 3: proto Indo European religions have a mountain, and what you're
Speaker 3: talking about is the different levels in the sky, god realm. Right,
Speaker 3: So you've got the Olympians at the absolute, You've got
Speaker 3: Turia as being like the Saturnian character deep sleep as
Speaker 3: the Titans, and then further down into number three, which
Speaker 3: is dreaming, which would be our level, our contact with
Speaker 3: the gods and their wakefulness, where we live on a
Speaker 3: conscious level. And that sort of makes up like Mount Ida, right,
Speaker 3: all of these different mountains represent sort of like a
Speaker 3: stairway to heaven. Mount Olympus. All of these ideas have
Speaker 3: to do with that sort of pyramidal figure, and you
Speaker 3: kind of get that idea with this this symbol as well,
Speaker 3: which represents a lot of what proto Indo European shamanism
Speaker 3: was all about.
Speaker 7: I believe that there's many tales about this symbol actually
Speaker 7: being derived from Mount Kailash. In certain different snow mount
Speaker 7: snow milts, you can see you one can make out,
Speaker 7: I know, symbol in Mount Kailash, which people don't know.
Speaker 5: It's the most sacred mountain and all the.
Speaker 3: Sacred mountain of all of India and all of and.
Speaker 5: All of that.
Speaker 7: The mountainous region there, it's not Everest, it's Kylash.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You put two concepts together and you get really a
Speaker 3: kind of a Kabbala tree, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well this this has the dual polarity of the trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's based it's.
Speaker 7: The duality of polarity right there.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why you have the check yourboard flaws
Speaker 2: just for the duality.
Speaker 7: So it's mathematics too, right, it's the duality of polarity.
Speaker 7: Which that's not esoteric. It's just like the way that
Speaker 7: we learn how to do things with a thing that
Speaker 7: we've learned. Right, Mathematics is like totally esoteric because we
Speaker 7: use this set of ideas to formulate and process all
Speaker 7: kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: Then tell me about what the video I showed you
Speaker 3: about the the Lithuanians and the the Sanskrit words.
Speaker 7: Right, well, that's that's a whole whole rabbit hole. Really
Speaker 7: cool how that goes down. And four has this whole
Speaker 7: comparative unifying aspect to it too in its simplicity that
Speaker 7: there's only four. But yeah, that was mind blowing to
Speaker 7: hear all those words being virtually the same as all
Speaker 7: these ideas.
Speaker 5: Uh, that we're exploring here.
Speaker 7: They're they're from all these different uh places and times,
Speaker 7: but they're really kind of the duality of polarity. Yeah,
Speaker 7: this symbol, this symbol is the oldest symbol on the planet.
Speaker 7: So and it was it was the It is so
Speaker 7: old that it precedes the language. And and so you
Speaker 7: don't right out, oh you put you put this this symbol. Oh,
Speaker 7: and it's a it's a it's a four part annunciation
Speaker 7: as well, three that are overt and one that is silence,
Speaker 7: silence being counted and super important as we'll see uh
Speaker 7: A U M obviously are the three vocalizations. But and this,
Speaker 7: this is the type of symbol that is used for
Speaker 7: an exoteric philosophical outlook and also very deep internal esoteric development, right,
Speaker 7: and and there are above and the below. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: so this this represents so much that we're only scanning
Speaker 7: the topical here, so uh.
Speaker 5: But but it's.
Speaker 7: Important to note right that it has that esoteric and
Speaker 7: exoteric idea behind it. Let's go, let's go to the
Speaker 7: next one. I think it's some writing. Okay, this is
Speaker 7: a really important thing that is not too well known.
Speaker 7: I found the ancient Egyptians conceptualized of course, what we
Speaker 7: commonly know is the doat or the TERREEA zinj asked
Speaker 7: the question, what is teria mean? It literally means the
Speaker 7: fourth so and and but it signifies the most enlightened
Speaker 7: aspect of consciousness. So I mean this is this is
Speaker 7: not a coincidence. I don't think the ancient Egyptians as well.
Speaker 7: They of course have the main polarity of the living
Speaker 7: and the dead, right, but they also have the polarity
Speaker 7: of the living and the gods. And there's three dimensions.
Speaker 7: The fourth dimension is for those that have transcended, for
Speaker 7: the few human beings that have become godly. And so
Speaker 7: there was this space within their kind of idea of creation.
Speaker 7: Let's see. Uh So the next one I was describing
Speaker 7: this symbol. Recently got an article on a cult Rejects
Speaker 7: dot uh uh dot org Cult Rejects Institute.
Speaker 5: One of my brain frying.
Speaker 1: Right now, the Cold Research Institute dot.
Speaker 5: Or Research Research Institute.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you put the article.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 7: Sorry, excuse my brain for I have a decent article
Speaker 7: on there about the circumpunked. Next Nick, the next pictures
Speaker 7: of the circumpunked with the twin pillars and the circumpunked
Speaker 7: is essentially three parts that makes a new fourth thing
Speaker 7: one could one could extrapolate. But you have the point,
Speaker 7: and you have the space, and you have the ring.
Speaker 7: Those are the overt three and to each side, often
Speaker 7: depicted in uh freemasonic imagery, to each side. It is
Speaker 7: the duality of polarity. And it's almost as if you
Speaker 7: have a three and a two and a two. And
Speaker 7: so I was conceptualizing this and it came to me
Speaker 7: one time that this seems like an important thing. The
Speaker 7: trinity and the polarity and the polarity are really kind
Speaker 7: of one of these symbols that might have a perverse
Speaker 7: and an enlightenment and an enlightened aspect to it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, have you ever seen green lantern comics?
Speaker 7: Of course, Yeah, break it down? What am I forgetting?
Speaker 3: Well, if you turn that symbol sideway right right right,
Speaker 3: so you've got the green and the gold, and it
Speaker 3: kind of makes the one, two, three, four five, and
Speaker 3: the fit level is sort of like the heart chakra,
Speaker 3: which is the tifferrath, which is kind of green and gold.
Speaker 3: And like their enemies are the yellow lanterns, right, and
Speaker 3: so they're fighting against them. So it's the green versus
Speaker 3: the yellow, and you've got that whole sort of tiphoretic
Speaker 3: feel to anything you imagine, anything you can feel you
Speaker 3: can actually create with the with the green lantern. It's
Speaker 3: like manifesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's what I feel like the circumpunct kind
Speaker 7: of when you focus on it just in your minds.
Speaker 7: I it really has a concentration modality for one, So
Speaker 7: it really I think does help accomplish, but I think
Speaker 7: the understanding of the duality of polarity really helps accomplish.
Speaker 7: One being a set of mercy and one being a
Speaker 7: set of severity, but the point being that you create
Speaker 7: and destroy either in severe or merciful terms. Mostly nowadays
Speaker 7: we're only in the severity. And in fact, we did
Speaker 7: a great program on Yahweh and Asherah. They're a total
Speaker 7: duality of polarity, unto themselves that.
Speaker 5: We only have Yahweh. Now, who's the.
Speaker 7: Storm God obviously related to severity creation destruction through severity,
Speaker 7: where Asha was creation destruction through mercy. And then in
Speaker 7: the center you have the Trinity or the thrice great
Speaker 7: of the initiate. So let's go, let's go to the
Speaker 7: next one, which it's kind of saying the same thing.
Speaker 7: But three two two is this Americana kind of.
Speaker 5: You know, lore Nick, you want to go to the
Speaker 5: next one.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, I was like, it's just in my seat.
Speaker 7: Three two two is also in Genesis. It has a
Speaker 7: polarity in it, right, and insinuates even two polarities because
Speaker 7: of the life and death and good and evil. So
Speaker 7: there's there's uh two powerful polarities that are really you know, primary.
Speaker 7: And of course they're talking about the tree right there too,
Speaker 7: which what is the tree? Two polarities?
Speaker 5: The skulls and bones? To me, what she's talking about
Speaker 5: that is that is the skull and bones. Yes, that
Speaker 5: is the skull and bones.
Speaker 7: And and my point in bringing them up is not
Speaker 7: that they're correct and not that they're on it. I'm
Speaker 7: saying that they're using symbolism to whatever they might be
Speaker 7: symbolizing it for I'm not sure, but I think that
Speaker 7: for me, when I see the three two two, I
Speaker 7: no longer see three two two, I see trinity, polarity, polarity,
Speaker 7: and you've.
Speaker 3: Also you've also got you've also got multiplication. So if
Speaker 3: you multiply them like the two bones make it acts,
Speaker 3: you get twelve, which is like the twelve sides of
Speaker 3: the Zodiac. It's like they're they're making a perverse symbol
Speaker 3: for the zodiac.
Speaker 7: They're using symbolism in a perverse and basic manner. Write
Speaker 7: that whole idea where you can use it in esoteric
Speaker 7: and exoteric and basic and enlightened, right, And they're using
Speaker 7: it probably for very basic, gross means.
Speaker 8: And it seems like some stuff that's meant to be
Speaker 8: just like for the esoteric, they try to take that
Speaker 8: and make it for the exoteric and completely subverts it, right,
Speaker 8: It completely destroys what.
Speaker 4: It meant to be.
Speaker 1: Oh original, Yes, I totally agree with it.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: We gets considered the.
Speaker 2: The you know, the stuff that comes like kind of
Speaker 2: everybody understands somehow becomes like, oh, that's all there is
Speaker 2: to it, that's the deepest ship, and we all know
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, stuff like that happens, I.
Speaker 1: Think a lot.
Speaker 7: Right, So, just an interesting phenomena that relates to this
Speaker 7: idea of the thrice great the initiated being in control
Speaker 7: of this duality of polarity. And I'm not advocating them,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to pierce the veil of what they might
Speaker 7: be using not that they've not that they figured it out,
Speaker 7: they're using it potentially if if that has anything to
Speaker 7: do with the interpretations.
Speaker 3: I think that verse is the most powerful one in
Speaker 3: the Bible. That's for the rest of the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's at the point where it's
Speaker 2: like you fucked right.
Speaker 7: It's the cosmological tone, you know, And a different religious
Speaker 7: and cosmological constructs have this same for mannerism, often of
Speaker 7: the good and evil, or often masculine and feminine, as
Speaker 7: Adam and Eve and life and death. Most cosmologies begin
Speaker 7: with these two polarities that are like the most powerful
Speaker 7: considerations there are among time.
Speaker 3: Right, you've got a dual polarity right there on that image.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's the cross.
Speaker 7: And that's a mathematical rule that two lines intersecting create
Speaker 7: four corners. So every cross, mathematically it's two lines intersecting.
Speaker 7: However elaborate it gets, it creates the four.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 7: So the next one is just me trying to be funny,
Speaker 7: little little mammology. And Carl Young was fascinated with this idea,
Speaker 7: and many times in his writing and in his speeches
Speaker 7: he mentioned that there there's three, but where's the fourth
Speaker 7: and actually, uh, in the free introduction on Amazon of
Speaker 7: my book The Fourth Initiation, one of the first things
Speaker 7: I explore is the Barto Total, the Tibetan Book of
Speaker 7: the Dead, which is itself a very esoteric idea of
Speaker 7: fascinating book, super fascinating. One of the dopest things Carl
Speaker 7: Young pointed out about it is that, of course, on
Speaker 7: the exoteric, on the primary level of this great teaching
Speaker 7: is that it is elaborating on the time between death
Speaker 7: and rebirth. But if you read it backwards, Carl Jung
Speaker 7: noted out, from from last chapter on to the second
Speaker 7: to last chapter, and so on to the first chapter,
Speaker 7: so that it that it is last, it is a
Speaker 7: story from birth to death. So so it's yeah.
Speaker 3: Speaking of story, every story arc takes place in four acts. Really,
Speaker 3: so that fourth act is.
Speaker 9: A song written that way too, yep, for four yeah, man,
Speaker 9: I would I would go even deeper to say that
Speaker 9: the whole Bible is, in fact not just the four Gospels,
Speaker 9: but the.
Speaker 7: Whole Christ story is a set of four and possibly
Speaker 7: even directly related to Hinduism traditions. But there's the birth, life, death,
Speaker 7: and resurrection, and and in our lifetimes we go through
Speaker 7: this in a symbolic way many different times, and and
Speaker 7: of course the the uh exoteric and perverse mannerism would
Speaker 7: be you know, taking it into too different different manners.
Speaker 7: But but this is this is the story of the Bible,
Speaker 7: one of resurrection. That's the fourth element, that's the silent part,
Speaker 7: that is uh, you know, so.
Speaker 3: So valuable, that's so attractive to so many people because
Speaker 3: it provides that fourth step.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 7: So the next uh uh, let's see, So this one
Speaker 7: is elaboration of the symbol with the yin and yang
Speaker 7: and the four humers, the four uh the four humors
Speaker 7: were a Greek system of understanding what is uh, one
Speaker 7: could say, very similar if not exactly the same as
Speaker 7: one of the yin yang diagnosics practices of traditional Chinese medicine. Right,
Speaker 7: so very similar these ancient practices. And you have the
Speaker 7: four colors of alchemy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in in.
Speaker 7: The phlegm and yellow bile and black bile and blood.
Speaker 5: Right. So, so when when.
Speaker 7: They say that there's four types of people or that
Speaker 7: there's four types of problems, will you know, are they
Speaker 7: what are they talking about? Exactly right? Because the ancient
Speaker 7: excuse me, the American Indians have a similar color construct
Speaker 7: in in their symbolism.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I take this image and look into the elementals with
Speaker 4: it now too, you know, because the four elementals, uh,
Speaker 4: you tie into almost everything when you look at being,
Speaker 4: like the you know, the what is it, the astral fire,
Speaker 4: the ethereal water, the physical earth, and the mental air.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and and there's what that's become one of my
Speaker 7: favorite words, element elements because it's so esoteric, but it's
Speaker 7: often considered very primary and physical, but it actually says
Speaker 7: godly mind. I think it's this godly mind, but you
Speaker 7: but it literally says godmind, right, l elements, this godmind.
Speaker 7: So alchemy is very much associated with the physical development
Speaker 7: of chemical systems and so forth, and godmind right becoming
Speaker 7: the internal exoteric self development. And my next picture is
Speaker 7: actually of the four elements, but the four elements of
Speaker 7: the Philosopher's Stone, right, which brings together exactly what Jules
Speaker 7: just talked about. There's the four elements of the Philosopher's Stone.
Speaker 7: Why is there four elements because I think because of
Speaker 7: obviously the four elements that we just spoke of, but
Speaker 7: also the four elements that are at the basis of
Speaker 7: almost everything. If we're looking at things through that veil.
Speaker 7: It's not the only way to look at things, but
Speaker 7: it's a powerful way to start to look at look
Speaker 7: at things.
Speaker 3: And the next you kind of have a reflection of
Speaker 3: both the three and the five within the image. So
Speaker 3: the three and the four creates the twelve, right, And
Speaker 3: when you're talking about the five and the four, you're
Speaker 3: talking about fractals, right, So you've got the fifth element,
Speaker 3: which is all these different fractals coming off, which you
Speaker 3: could do within the next circle or the next circle
Speaker 3: out right, So each one of these circles is equidistant,
Speaker 3: and that creates another fractaling creation from the symbol itself.
Speaker 3: So you've got five and the three, which you know,
Speaker 3: philosophers Stone incorporates both of these numbers very heavily.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I was going to point out you
Speaker 4: have the feminine inside of the masculine, and then the
Speaker 4: masculine inside of the feminine. I don't know, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of weird, that's perfect.
Speaker 4: I've noticed that a lot with a lot of these symbols,
Speaker 4: And you were talking about the polarity stuff earlier, you know,
Speaker 4: the kind of exactly realistic aspect to.
Speaker 1: It, just real quick.
Speaker 2: I was just even thinking of how you kind of
Speaker 2: like said that you're seeing repeating. I wonder if that
Speaker 2: even goes with like the yadhey vade for because what
Speaker 2: you know that's for again, but that is you know, king, queen,
Speaker 2: prince and princess, So you would see like male female
Speaker 2: male female repeat that way, right, So I wonder like
Speaker 2: if there's like something to like what you were saying here.
Speaker 4: I wonder if and I was also thinking against he
Speaker 4: was talking about like four stages to like some kind
Speaker 4: of piece of art, right, there's also four stages to life.
Speaker 4: In a way, tetra.
Speaker 3: Grammaton just means four full name, right, so they're talking
Speaker 3: about these different letters within that. So tetragrammaton and the
Speaker 3: tetra graandma tom formula. You know, is that generation go ahead, Jules,
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no. I I was just pointing that out.
Speaker 4: You can't to have like your young like from when
Speaker 4: you were born up until you become a young adult.
Speaker 4: That to when you're like you know, in your forties
Speaker 4: or fifties, like your early fifties maybe that until your
Speaker 4: late age and then you know, because we're supposed to
Speaker 4: live for longer, up until probably a little past one hundred.
Speaker 4: Just like if we were to live healthy, like if
Speaker 4: we were to live a healthier lifestyle and you know,
Speaker 4: be able to stay away from all this shit that
Speaker 4: the government puts in the air and in the food
Speaker 4: and in the water and all that, we'd probably be
Speaker 4: able to live a little longer.
Speaker 1: Right, So, oh, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm off on that, maybe there's more than four
Speaker 4: stages to life, but I'm thinking like in a long
Speaker 4: span kind.
Speaker 7: Of Yeah, No, it's the primary. It's the primary. And
Speaker 7: then of course there could be several different other fatsets
Speaker 7: as things go on, and you could recognize, but it is,
Speaker 7: it is considered the primary American Indians from the Hindus
Speaker 7: is the four stages of life. And here's another depiction
Speaker 7: of the four elements. Again one of my favorite words
Speaker 7: because it just it denotes that alchemy of becoming the godmind.
Speaker 7: So yeah, and the next one I Nick just took off.
Speaker 7: But this also we can see duality of polarity obvious, right,
Speaker 7: I Mean, that's that's a an easy easy note there.
Speaker 3: What it all comes together you have as above, so
Speaker 3: below you get all the figures combined.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and again you're masculine and feminine triangles, right.
Speaker 3: Projective, receptive.
Speaker 7: And one thing I like to do just as a
Speaker 7: kind of mental exercise is find contrasts. So if these
Speaker 7: shapes are depicting an idea, it is a wonderful format
Speaker 7: to just form contrasts. But usually people only go to
Speaker 7: an either or contrast, and that's very limiting. You know,
Speaker 7: if you have the A and B, that's the either or,
Speaker 7: but you have to have the A B too. The
Speaker 7: synthesis and the nalysis is the term that I came
Speaker 7: up with, and you know, to that, there's the whole
Speaker 7: idea of thesis, anti thesis and synthesis related to cause
Speaker 7: a cause? What is the three M thinking of? Where
Speaker 7: they where they steer decision making?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: The Hegelian dialectic is from this thesis solution problem reaction
Speaker 7: solution is from this philis offical outlook of thesis, anti
Speaker 7: thesis and synthesis.
Speaker 5: The solution often has.
Speaker 7: Pointed out as they already had it planned right.
Speaker 5: So uh.
Speaker 7: And the next one, one of my favorite sets of
Speaker 7: four is geometry, and I feel like this is really
Speaker 7: not only valuable in understanding things, but it is really
Speaker 7: the basis for the biblical God, as we'll see. Nixt
Speaker 7: Nick go to the next one, and and here's yahweh
Speaker 7: h excuse me. Here here is yode hey yap right,
Speaker 7: and the yode it literally is the point. The four
Speaker 7: dimensions of geometry begins with the point. The next is
Speaker 7: a window and behold, so a window it implies a view,
Speaker 7: and it is very much like a plane, like a
Speaker 7: plane of glass. But it also there's a room. So
Speaker 7: they're using the same word here to symbolize I think
Speaker 7: plane and volume. So and the vove again, it literally
Speaker 7: means peg or connector or nail.
Speaker 5: It is it is the line.
Speaker 7: So the whole Bible at its basis when they talk
Speaker 7: about the g and generation and geometry, it's the four
Speaker 7: dimensions of geometry.
Speaker 5: It's right there. So the next one.
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't wanted to say real quick, Ethan, you
Speaker 2: might have been a I think you had the screen off.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can still hear. Did you
Speaker 2: hear what I said about the yad vade before? I?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you were getting at that. What what would
Speaker 7: repeat it?
Speaker 2: Jules had mentioned before like sometimes and he's right, you'll
Speaker 2: see like kind of like male female male female like
Speaker 2: symbolism within each other, you know, and going back and forth.
Speaker 2: And I said, I, you know, I wonder if that
Speaker 2: could maybe be even represented the Yad formula or if
Speaker 2: there is like the same idea behind that, because if
Speaker 2: you think about it magically, if I was using it,
Speaker 2: like you know, in ceremonial magic, that would be the
Speaker 2: only king, queen, prince, and princess.
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting you know, male female male fall.
Speaker 4: And that's funny that you would see this with the
Speaker 4: name of a deity, right, because the same thing happens
Speaker 4: with fuck, the same thing happens. I'm pretty sure with Lucifer.
Speaker 4: Trying to remember, I think the Greeks maybe worship Lucifer
Speaker 4: as Mars, right headless.
Speaker 3: Well, the Greeks thought of Lucifer.
Speaker 4: Lucifer as Mars. Sorry, is the.
Speaker 3: Titan of the Dawn and so Yos for us is
Speaker 3: what they call called Lucifer.
Speaker 5: Which is where comes from.
Speaker 3: It's it's the Latin or eosphorous. So yeah, yeah, in Latin,
Speaker 3: his mother would be called Aurora, like Aurora Colorado. Okay,
Speaker 3: but think about this as if it's hieroglyphs, right, you
Speaker 3: have the father above, you have the daughter with the
Speaker 3: hair coming down or the window with the light shining in.
Speaker 3: Then you have the sun as the generation below, and
Speaker 3: then you have the daughter with the hair coming down,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of like the vision of the mother. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you've almost got the hieroglyphs for those four different parts
Speaker 3: of the terror.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: Just going to say they represent him as Mars because
Speaker 6: of the red glow that Mars is.
Speaker 4: Right, and then but then also there's a feminine aspect
Speaker 4: being Venus, right, Yeah. I think it's like that with
Speaker 4: maybe all the planets. I don't know, maybe I few.
Speaker 5: Will you can probably find bits and pieces of it.
Speaker 1: I think they all have the same aspect. They'll both have.
Speaker 2: Oh what was that positive and negatives.
Speaker 3: Venus specifically, you've got uh Venus and Adonis. Right, You've
Speaker 3: got the idea of these uh dying and rising figures
Speaker 3: being associated with this planet of Venus, which is this
Speaker 3: morning star and evening star. One third of the year
Speaker 3: it's in the morning and one third of the year
Speaker 3: it's in the evening. So having the Venus connection, which
Speaker 3: creates a big flower of life in the sky, it's
Speaker 3: sort of like the completion of four, which would be
Speaker 3: the five.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I always or I started to think about
Speaker 7: the tetragram aton as being kind of a secret that
Speaker 7: is overtly right in front of our face. Because the pentagram,
Speaker 7: we know that that means five count shape, right, but
Speaker 7: tetra gram that would be a four count shape. But
Speaker 7: it's not tetragram, it's tetragrammaton. And so that suffix is ation.
Speaker 7: It's similar to shun t i o n in English
Speaker 7: or Latin even.
Speaker 5: Variously.
Speaker 7: And but but I think it means grammar, grammation. Right,
Speaker 7: So this this whole idea of the uh, what is
Speaker 7: tetragrammaton When you look it up in the Bible, Tetragrammaton
Speaker 7: is L. What is l L is God? And so
Speaker 7: tetragrammaton is literally saying that it's a it's a four
Speaker 7: grammar of understanding God.
Speaker 1: In a way. You know, you.
Speaker 7: Talk about five, though, five I think is really important,
Speaker 7: and I think east and west. One thing that is
Speaker 7: shared with the five is motion. It puts these base
Speaker 7: pillars into motion. So you could you could you could
Speaker 7: think about five as being the activation actually very much
Speaker 7: like our hands, right, we have four fingers.
Speaker 5: But what makes it work? Is the fifth?
Speaker 4: Well, right, no, that's that. That's what I was going
Speaker 4: to say. You have your four fingers and then your thumb,
Speaker 4: which is your godhead, right, and uh yeah, same thing
Speaker 4: with the you know, the what's it called the Vitruvian
Speaker 4: Man or whatever. Yeah, five points. But then with like
Speaker 4: the crucified man, you have four. Right, So I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's something to that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you just drug my curiosity on that because I
Speaker 6: love the Simpsons. I've been watching the Simpsons since I
Speaker 6: was a little kid, since they first came out, right,
Speaker 6: And if you remember, they had four fingers, right, and
Speaker 6: uh god when they when God was shown in the Simpsons,
Speaker 6: he had what we would call normal.
Speaker 5: Five four fingers in the thumb.
Speaker 4: Remember, Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 5: You know what everybody says about Matt Greeney too.
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, they were messing with dimensions, weren't they.
Speaker 3: That's what they're kind of telling you what They actually
Speaker 3: had it.
Speaker 5: They actually had a show on that too.
Speaker 3: They had a bunch of shows on that.
Speaker 4: Well they I mean, The Simpsons has predicted how how
Speaker 4: much shit that's happened, Like they've definitely, they definitely had
Speaker 4: some form of like I don't know, some kind of
Speaker 4: loophole or portal looking into the future, like I I
Speaker 4: don't think.
Speaker 3: About all the treehouses of horror.
Speaker 4: I'm fucking convinced now, dude, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about the houses of Horror.
Speaker 2: Y know, I have brought that up before, you know, Jules,
Speaker 2: that's like I've seen the Simpsons do that so much.
Speaker 2: You have the song questioning how you know what I'm saying, like, like,
Speaker 2: how are they? You know, like I know it is
Speaker 2: kind of interesting and like wow, like this's pretty cool,
Speaker 2: Like you know, they they called it out, but it's like.
Speaker 1: Wow, the fuck are you doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It is fucking weird? Man project looking Glass?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I think this kind of stuff
Speaker 4: has been around a lot longer than you're told, uh,
Speaker 4: through many ways, you know, scrying or however.
Speaker 3: Think about how archetyple the show is. All the different
Speaker 3: elements of that show are like archetyple of different factions
Speaker 3: within society. So they're making statements about all of these
Speaker 3: different relationships that have to do with how we see
Speaker 3: each other and you know, sort of like stereotypes, and
Speaker 3: they were able to do that because it wasn't as
Speaker 3: woke back then, but in doing so, it made these
Speaker 3: relationships that sort of stick in our minds. When it
Speaker 3: comes to relationships with other people. You can kind of
Speaker 3: steer people around through their behaviors a little bit.
Speaker 4: I think, now, what does this represent, Nathan, Because this
Speaker 4: is the this is the alchemical colors all over again.
Speaker 7: Yes, this is an American Indian medicine wheel, and it
Speaker 7: represents the four brothers of Man, white, black, red, and
Speaker 7: yellow skinned people. And their idea is that these people
Speaker 7: all come together and bring out the one idea in
Speaker 7: a unified manner. Each one has a different aspect of
Speaker 7: the story that when brought together, they.
Speaker 5: Get the whole story right.
Speaker 7: And the four directions the four people's the four is numerous,
Speaker 7: widely significant among the American Indian people, especially in the Southwest.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, one thing that I've noticed with the Native American
Speaker 2: symbolism too, you see it popping up like in a
Speaker 2: occultism that came over from like Europe, but like symbolism here.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of interesting. I have seen that happen,
Speaker 2: Like it's certain ocult orders are actually like you.
Speaker 4: Who did they learn it from? Like the day did
Speaker 4: they learn it from some ancient occult order that was
Speaker 4: there long before, you know, long before we were told
Speaker 4: the first people came over and found America.
Speaker 1: Oh, like I think go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, I just was gonna say, I think it's possible,
Speaker 5: please go ahead.
Speaker 2: And there like like an example is a Denning and Phillips.
Speaker 2: I don't remember their first name. They have like some
Speaker 2: book set on magic. I mean I didn't know until
Speaker 2: I think I had thrash on when he covered like
Speaker 2: the Micmac the Micmacs. This star is or this symbol
Speaker 2: they have on the front of their cover is a
Speaker 2: fucking their medicine wheel. But it just looks different than
Speaker 2: normal people. I mean, that's different than normal ones. So
Speaker 2: like you kind of thought it was like some just
Speaker 2: you know, fancy a pointed star. And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're actually just ripping off a fucking Native American symbol
Speaker 2: and they put it on the front of their magic book.
Speaker 2: You know, so shit like that. Somebody doesn't even know
Speaker 2: what that is. They just take for granted some you know,
Speaker 2: ceremonial magic symbol.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, it's it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 4: kind of like that with squaws.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he goes, yeah, like.
Speaker 4: More of an ancient symbol than a lot of people,
Speaker 4: you know, like they're not even aware of that. And
Speaker 4: how many civilizations and cultures have you use that symbol?
Speaker 4: Maybe headless those where it actually came from originally, I
Speaker 4: don't really know.
Speaker 3: It's ubiquitous across five continents during a certain time period
Speaker 3: in prehistory. You've got that symbol as being ubiquitous across
Speaker 3: five continents. If that doesn't mean people were connected, I
Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Well, here's a.
Speaker 7: Symbol, and this is used often as a calendar, right,
Speaker 7: medicine wheel would be used as a calendar system overtly, ceremoniously,
Speaker 7: probably different ways to Here is what I think a
Speaker 7: significant set of four pertaining to all the megalithic constructions.
Speaker 5: On the planet.
Speaker 7: They are all markers of day, year, and direction and
Speaker 7: celestial connection.
Speaker 4: Dude, speaking of we're just talking about Germany. These are
Speaker 4: the These are the colors for the German flag. Yes,
Speaker 4: that weird synchronicity.
Speaker 3: Sorry, proto Indo European.
Speaker 2: Well, they were very much the alchemists, yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, Albido, Negrito Rubido and I forgot what the yellow
Speaker 3: one was do you know what that is?
Speaker 9: In Latin?
Speaker 5: I forget right.
Speaker 1: Now, Dan, you put us all on the spot.
Speaker 4: Fuck, I gotta look into that now. I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 7: This is a wonderful aspect of what this medicine wheel represents,
Speaker 7: where all these ideas come together and they get the
Speaker 7: full story rather than just the aspects that they've been
Speaker 7: holding onto.
Speaker 5: For the symbol of war really has that too, right?
Speaker 7: And let's let's go to the next one, because each
Speaker 7: of these we could spend a lot of time on
Speaker 7: and and find that there's the exoteric philosophical aspect and
Speaker 7: the esoteric initiatory aspect too, even of the medicine wheel.
Speaker 7: One of the most esoteric games that is probably you
Speaker 7: know as the mostoteric fans is baseball. And and we
Speaker 7: can see that there is a compass and square set
Speaker 7: up on the field right. The reason it is base
Speaker 7: ball is not because of the bases. It's because four
Speaker 7: is base. Your base set of thinking is four.
Speaker 4: Ethan.
Speaker 7: Well, well, there's a really dope article where I get
Speaker 7: into this on the Occult Research Institute dot org, so
Speaker 7: check it. But but again, this is just I wouldn't
Speaker 7: say it's necessarily perverse in a damned way, but it's
Speaker 7: a it's a perverse presentation of highly esoteric ritual.
Speaker 3: Are all sports like.
Speaker 7: Well, you can find different aspects of it, but none
Speaker 7: like baseball, none like this.
Speaker 4: That's well, that's probably one of the oldest ones, right.
Speaker 5: That's it is.
Speaker 7: It is out of England, and you know it's developed
Speaker 7: over many years into what it is now. It used
Speaker 7: to be different and it's modified, you know.
Speaker 4: So you look at the Angels in the outfield that
Speaker 4: is also literally angels in the outfield. Wow, the movie
Speaker 4: title has such an esoteric meaning to it. Maybe I
Speaker 4: don't know. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 6: Mans through movies, you know, they they're entertained because they
Speaker 6: know what the movies and the some of the and
Speaker 6: within the movies.
Speaker 5: Me we over here figuring it out later.
Speaker 4: Figure homeboy, Christopher Lloyd is already dead, all right.
Speaker 3: Field of dreams, dude. Think about all of the guys
Speaker 3: who came out of the corn field onto the field
Speaker 3: from you know, the outfield. That's that's so field of
Speaker 3: dreams right there.
Speaker 1: As the children of the corn right the dude, ha ha, yeah.
Speaker 7: So baseball is it's the American pastime. But it's the
Speaker 7: American esoteric pastime certainly, right, and it even has the geometry.
Speaker 7: You could look at it symbolically as the ball being
Speaker 7: the point the line, excuse me, the bat being the line,
Speaker 7: and you have the plane. And what do they call
Speaker 7: where the pictures stand on headless the mountains?
Speaker 3: Where did they come from? It came from the Theosophists.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, that's right, right, that's because the guy.
Speaker 7: The final version of it was basically developed from Theosophist
Speaker 7: crew and a president of the Theosophy at one time. Yes,
Speaker 7: although it's much older than that, but not in its
Speaker 7: current modification.
Speaker 4: Do you know what they should bring back Roman gladiators
Speaker 4: but American gladiators with like real fucking blood sports like
Speaker 4: the lie used to.
Speaker 7: Be a bit more like that, like that you'd get tackled.
Speaker 1: Like should be out of you with a bag.
Speaker 4: They should do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right that you get people got like life,
Speaker 2: I mean that life death death sentence.
Speaker 1: Just tell there you go.
Speaker 3: They called it based based ball for a reason.
Speaker 4: I was a beggar bro.
Speaker 7: So yeah, remember we got the compass and score right there,
Speaker 7: everyone can see right and and we remarked earlier, where
Speaker 7: is the origination of some of these symbols, like we
Speaker 7: see them so widely used, right, like the Freemasons copped
Speaker 7: onto the compass and square.
Speaker 5: Was it not used before them?
Speaker 7: Certainly it was like no, no, no, megalithic site was
Speaker 7: built without a compass and square.
Speaker 5: Right, So we can we can move on.
Speaker 7: But just a powerful anecdotal view of how they'll use
Speaker 7: these ideas in an exoteric manner. Here is Pentanjolli, and
Speaker 7: Pentanjali is a Thoth entity from India, and that is
Speaker 7: noted to be the creator of yoga and specifically the
Speaker 7: eight limbs of yoga. And she has a snake excuse me,
Speaker 7: he has a snake body, and and I relate him
Speaker 7: to to that both energy of the Great Teacher, mainly
Speaker 7: because of actually the eight limbs of Yoga. Nick, we
Speaker 7: can go to the next one.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, you uh kind of linked it to that,
Speaker 4: to that entity. I found him to be more similar
Speaker 4: to Vishua Karma. But that's it. That's it.
Speaker 5: I think. I think with.
Speaker 7: Especially the Hindu set of gods, the Hindu pantheon, which
Speaker 7: is so wide and diverse it's crazy. I think that
Speaker 7: there can be attributes of Thoth for instance, in many
Speaker 7: different gods.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: In fact, Ganesha I believe has a lot of both
Speaker 7: qualities too.
Speaker 4: That's funny you said that because I had him down.
Speaker 4: I have my little list, you know, I have him
Speaker 4: down right next to that other name. So now I'll
Speaker 4: add you the name that you.
Speaker 3: Just what about the terror? What about the tarot that
Speaker 3: looked like the universe card, you know, with the snake
Speaker 3: around the outside of it, that had total Tarot vibes
Speaker 3: for me, at least from the Crowley tarot. And that
Speaker 3: whole idea goes back. What's that constellation with the guy
Speaker 3: who's holding the snake? Ofiucus, right, Ofiucas is the thirteenth
Speaker 3: constellation that goes along with a lunar calendar. So Ofiucas
Speaker 3: is like the thirteenth moon or the thirteenth month, and
Speaker 3: it's sort of like above all the rest of the
Speaker 3: other constellations.
Speaker 7: One thing I discovered about the tarot that I haven't
Speaker 7: seen others put forth, and I'm kind of surprised that
Speaker 7: it hasn't been put forth before I noted it. But
Speaker 7: there's the fourth suits of the tarot. Of course, there's many,
Speaker 7: all these fours everywhere right, But the four suits of
Speaker 7: the tarot actually completely correspond with the four dimensions of geometry.
Speaker 7: The point for the sword, the line for the staff,
Speaker 7: the plane is the coin, and the volume is the cup.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's literally a.
Speaker 7: Sacred geometry divination school. So Petanjoli presented the a lens
Speaker 7: of yoga, which are a whole system of self development. Right,
Speaker 7: it's not necessarily limited to posture, but also self development
Speaker 7: in these ideations.
Speaker 5: And the next one nick is.
Speaker 7: The obduab and both is associated with well, there's the
Speaker 7: eight again, but specifically with this eight, it's actually more
Speaker 7: four pair, which little difference, right, But these are these
Speaker 7: are four couples, right, for for complimentary husband and wife
Speaker 7: type of couples. And these are the eight elements of
Speaker 7: or the eight primary gods of ancient Egyptian cosmology, right,
Speaker 7: And they are again the four pair ruled by Thoth
Speaker 7: got renamed Hermes. Why because the town where Thoth was
Speaker 7: mainly worshiped was also the town where these this ogdoad
Speaker 7: which is also a Greek word. But and I believe
Speaker 7: they're called the commnu, and so the town was the commnu. Uh,
Speaker 7: forgive my poor pronunciation, but something something along this line
Speaker 7: that was Both town basically got renamed to Hermopolis, Hermies
Speaker 7: and Hermopolis. The modern modern Hermopolis was was both and
Speaker 7: Ogdad town basically or really eight town is what it
Speaker 7: literally meant. The next one is an interesting and again
Speaker 7: I think it's kind of like one of these teachings
Speaker 7: that bring together and highlight other teachings from different places.
Speaker 7: This is attributed the Fuzi And for those who don't Fuzzi,
Speaker 7: don't know Fuzi, just just just wait because I'm gonna
Speaker 7: enjoy this. But this is a really the from the
Speaker 7: nothingness is the initial polarity. From that is the secondary polarity.
Speaker 5: And then the eight.
Speaker 7: Again, the Chinese system has the two, four and eight
Speaker 7: uh idea to it too, the same with the Egyptian
Speaker 7: construct is uh. You know, it's got its eight elements.
Speaker 7: The Chinese divination system has the yin and yang and
Speaker 7: secondarily after that the minor and major yin and yang,
Speaker 7: and then the Bagua, which means the eight.
Speaker 5: And we can go to the next one.
Speaker 3: Well with the Egyptian system, the Agdad. The Agdot is
Speaker 3: a primordial group of gods, so they're like the Titans.
Speaker 3: Versus the Olympus, which would be the next generation. So
Speaker 3: there's there's kind of a crossover between this sort of
Speaker 3: separation from heaven and Earth having to do with the
Speaker 3: Agdat and also magic being chaos. For all of the
Speaker 3: Middle Ages, magic was order, but once we got on
Speaker 3: into the twentieth century with chaos magic, then magic became
Speaker 3: chaos us again. So it almost represents like that shifting
Speaker 3: back to a more primordial view of magic than what
Speaker 3: was existing in the Victorian and Middle Ages era. It's
Speaker 3: kind of interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's amazing that they both that the Egyptians
Speaker 7: and the Chinese had this eight elemental primary aspect, right,
Speaker 7: quite quite fascinating.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you need me to move on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, before we move off of Hermes, it's gonna say,
Speaker 4: you see the same thing with the name her Mad
Speaker 4: in Norse, I think Norse mythology, right, he was a
Speaker 4: messenger of the gods. I don't know if there's anything
Speaker 4: with the with the number four there. Maybe you can
Speaker 4: look at that later about that guy.
Speaker 7: So this is the arc of Raw. They actually found
Speaker 7: a boat at the base of the Great Pyramid, and
Speaker 7: it is a replica of the boat that is supposed
Speaker 7: to take one across the Nile from the land of
Speaker 7: the living to the land of the dead. And again
Speaker 7: we see one of the main characters of most well
Speaker 7: known of the set of eight, because the Ogdawad, it's
Speaker 7: really hard to find concrete information on them. But Noot
Speaker 7: is the primordial waters, that's one of the better known ones,
Speaker 7: and and we see her carrying the boat. Well, in
Speaker 7: the biblical story of Noah, we have Noah and his
Speaker 7: three sons and their wives, which is eight.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 7: But we look if we look at the boat here,
Speaker 7: if you kind of you can see clearly the seven.
Speaker 7: The beetle, I think is more to do with ra
Speaker 7: and the sun above more imposed there you see the
Speaker 7: four in the front, the three in the back, and
Speaker 7: then if you look really.
Speaker 5: Subtly, there's a snake.
Speaker 7: In the boat too, there behind the behind the third
Speaker 7: there on the left, So there's actually eight.
Speaker 4: There doesn't a scare a beetle like shed it shell.
Speaker 7: It's it may what what it's most well known for
Speaker 7: is rolling a ball of manure downhill, and it becomes
Speaker 7: kind of this symbolism for the sun and immortality by
Speaker 7: by way of what it's behavior.
Speaker 4: Another with Osiris with all with all that symbolism as well.
Speaker 7: And and Osirius is the agricultural reborn god, right, and
Speaker 7: there's that rebirth right, I think in a lot I've
Speaker 7: seen this in a lot of this is a cultural thing,
Speaker 7: not necessarily philosophical, but it's interesting talk about exoteric perversions
Speaker 7: of highly esoteric ideas. The zombie movies will inevitably have
Speaker 7: some agricultural like swamp thing or this and that there's
Speaker 7: and a ball rolling around. I've seen several times. If
Speaker 7: you know Egyptian rebirth stories and you watch can be
Speaker 7: like super cheesy zombie movies. They've actually integrated some of
Speaker 7: the symbolism of that. It's entertaining interesting idea.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, I just wanted to throw into it about Knutt.
Speaker 3: She was supposed to be the night sky, right, and
Speaker 3: so the night sky holding up this plane of heaven
Speaker 3: almost implies that this is the solar system, right, with
Speaker 3: the Sun at the middle of all the all of
Speaker 3: these seven planets, right, You've got this sort of apep
Speaker 3: character which is a massive asteroid in our solar system
Speaker 3: as well, that also exists as a serpent of chaos.
Speaker 3: And so if you take this as a direct sort
Speaker 3: of metaphor for our solar system. You actually get a
Speaker 3: really good view of it. And if you think about it,
Speaker 3: the beetle could be considered Earth, right Hey, Earth is
Speaker 3: sort of enlivening the sun and making it move and
Speaker 3: everything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think you got something. There is so
Speaker 4: is apep the same snake at the bottom of Yigdrasil.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of similarities and there are so many
Speaker 3: snakes if you go back to.
Speaker 4: Get Yeah, yeah, I figured he may have been, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The orphic egg is surrounded by the snake and then
Speaker 3: he explodes and then everything comes out into form. That's
Speaker 3: the very first god protogonos, right, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I just would have and leave a rush. Crowley
Speaker 2: made that. He wrote that one, and that's like four
Speaker 2: different times of the day. You will, you'll do a
Speaker 2: prayer to the sun and the one that faces north,
Speaker 2: which would be which would be Earth?
Speaker 1: You do you got Kephra the beetle? Did you pray
Speaker 1: it to?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 2: Like you said, hedless, you know, even they could be
Speaker 2: associated with Earth. It's even kind of associated with Earth,
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 5: No, that's great.
Speaker 7: The set of the Adua the eight or four pairs
Speaker 7: of Egyptian primary gods. They are snake headed and toad headed.
Speaker 7: And if if we could imagine the Nile thousands of
Speaker 7: years ago, it was probably just a you know, so
Speaker 7: full of life becoming and going. So this this idea,
Speaker 7: I think comes from not that there were snake headed beings,
Speaker 7: that there were, that snakes and toads were in the
Speaker 7: creation of itself, the life dependency flow of the waters.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: But here's here's another the next one, Nick, or.
Speaker 5: Have this and you wants to decent.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, maybe it goes back to
Speaker 3: the OM symbol. Right, So if you take the OM
Speaker 3: symbol as the symbolic cosmology that they're working off of,
Speaker 3: like these different levels of consciousness, then all of this
Speaker 3: kind of fits into that level as well. So like
Speaker 3: astral projection, you know, thinking about forms and meditation and
Speaker 3: separation from the senses, you kind of get these different
Speaker 3: images that are translated differently but on the same level
Speaker 3: in different languages. Right, they're interacting with the same kind
Speaker 3: of forms and translating it based off of the surrounding culture.
Speaker 7: And the It reminds me that the Hindus had the nagas,
Speaker 7: who are their ancient snake bodied reptilian teachers, right, and
Speaker 7: the next the next one is I.
Speaker 4: Think they're called the Nataru. I'm pretty sure and certain ya.
Speaker 4: I mean you see him in every culture almost.
Speaker 7: And and almost every esoteric cosmological thing, there's a there's
Speaker 7: a snake, sometimes taking taking knowledge, sometimes giving it.
Speaker 4: I did, I did want to point out this boat
Speaker 4: with the sun that the beetle is holding up looks
Speaker 4: just like the almost crescent moon thing at the top
Speaker 4: of the ome with the sun above it as well. Mm. Yeah,
Speaker 4: especially when you go back on the left.
Speaker 2: Nick, Oh, you know it's interesting even that prairie I mentioned.
Speaker 2: You're praying to the barge in the sky.
Speaker 7: Oh, and of course the dot the circle right there,
Speaker 7: there's your there's your point related to the symbol.
Speaker 4: Nick, does that remind you of an eye in any way?
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know this one. No. Never, that's the pilot.
Speaker 3: There is so much content just by using the om symbol,
Speaker 3: breaking it down into its symbolic meaning, and then looking
Speaker 3: at everything around it, because it's almost like that's the
Speaker 3: seed and all of this stuff is the folies that
Speaker 3: grew out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 7: The way that the eaching goes is very much in
Speaker 7: like that yin Yang process that was just described. That
Speaker 7: there's the wouji, the nothingness, and then the main polarity,
Speaker 7: and so on and so forth until they get to
Speaker 7: the eight elements, and the eight elements are multiplied eight
Speaker 7: times eight, and then you have your sixty four divination
Speaker 7: types of the each in right, which is really interesting.
Speaker 5: Here we have.
Speaker 7: Fuzi and his counterpart nw Wa, talk about sixty four.
Speaker 7: If you see these circles here, both of them have
Speaker 7: sixty four parts. This is from about seven hundred a
Speaker 7: d from the Tang dynasty. And look what they have
Speaker 7: in their hands, the compass and square. Remember this is
Speaker 7: from China. So we have this snake symbolism, their snake
Speaker 7: bodied symbolism, and the two counterparts. So new Wa rather
Speaker 7: Fuzi and his feminine counterpart new Wah are very much
Speaker 7: the folth energy of the Daoists. And there's various constellations
Speaker 7: on the side here. It's a very intricate image.
Speaker 3: I don't know, guys, it kind of feels Canaanite Phoenatian
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 5: It could be I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know exactly, you know where which came first,
Speaker 7: Right right along.
Speaker 3: That silk road. You've got these ideas starting to spread
Speaker 3: out from the Mesopotamian area. And now you're talking about
Speaker 3: these snake bodied people, which comes directly from Greek mythology.
Speaker 3: When you're talking about eric Tonius who was the first
Speaker 3: king of Athens, right, he had a snake body and
Speaker 3: all the rest of these snake bodied things come sort
Speaker 3: of through this Greco Roman influence. If you think about
Speaker 3: mythology as a way of like colonizing other people through ideas,
Speaker 3: you can kind of see how this religion thing works.
Speaker 3: It's like you provide a compelling image and then people
Speaker 3: come to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that snake bitch from fucking Golden Chong.
Speaker 3: Naugas Nagas are in that tradition as well. It's the
Speaker 3: pro to into European influence.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard to say who influenced too because of
Speaker 5: the but you may be you may be right. I
Speaker 5: don't mean to refee you have this. I don't. I
Speaker 5: just don't know.
Speaker 2: It's even interesting with it too, though, you know how
Speaker 2: you would have like Hermes, you know, or well I
Speaker 2: would still associate to with mercury on the sphere with
Speaker 2: the eight you know, or with the on.
Speaker 1: The eighth sphere on the Tree of Life. You do
Speaker 1: get to hermaphrodite there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like and I mean it I almost you know,
Speaker 2: in the DNA staff goes along with them, so I
Speaker 2: mean I even kind of see all lot here yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: There is in in their origination story. I would say
Speaker 7: that Fuzi is the third created. So there's so there's
Speaker 7: Pangu and and he gives birth.
Speaker 5: Pengu is the Earth.
Speaker 7: He dies and becomes the Earth, very similar to uh
Speaker 7: Odin's cosmology, I believe before before Odin.
Speaker 3: He's called the Chinese Prometheus.
Speaker 4: Wow, so he'd breathe, you know, like that bringer of knowledge.
Speaker 3: He erupts from from an egg and his backbone becomes
Speaker 3: these massive mountains. And Pangu also bears the torch that
Speaker 3: he gave to mankind, and so he's also a giant.
Speaker 3: And they called the Chinese Prometheus. Yeah, and we see
Speaker 3: that there's the compass in square.
Speaker 7: It's a bit more refined of of of a set
Speaker 7: of tools. Pegu had the hammer and chisel. So so
Speaker 7: that's the the starting point of obtaining things is the
Speaker 7: hammer and.
Speaker 3: Chisel and Beatheus was hammered to the Caucasus mountains.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 7: Uh and uh, so pengu gave birth. When he died,
Speaker 7: he became the earth, but he gave birth to the
Speaker 7: mother of Fuzi and Newah. So in a sense in
Speaker 7: that story, Fuzi is the third born, the thrice great
Speaker 7: thrice born.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to say, yeah, it's really interesting that
Speaker 7: there's all these thoth like teacher like entities and the snake,
Speaker 7: the snake body and the sacred geometry.
Speaker 5: It's all it's all there.
Speaker 7: Right, so uh, to wrap things up, I wanted to
Speaker 7: go into Oedipus right and talk about Taro nick the
Speaker 7: the origination of Odipus as he's thrown out by his
Speaker 7: dad because he gets his dad gets the prophecy that
Speaker 7: his son is going to kill him, so he hangs
Speaker 7: him by his feet on a tree, and he's he's
Speaker 7: the hanged man from like infancy. So pretty pretty interesting
Speaker 7: symbolism there. And again you have a tree and and
Speaker 7: uh he's rescued by a farmer another another another king
Speaker 7: nearby anyway, and his whole life is kind of screwed up.
Speaker 7: But we accept the answer to him, or the answer
Speaker 7: of his to the riddle of the Sphinx, but he
Speaker 7: gets everything else wrong.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the one thing that he becomes a
Speaker 3: hero for is because of his answer to the riddle
Speaker 3: of this fate. And that's really revealing about this hanged
Speaker 3: man influence is because he's like the ultimate mortal character,
Speaker 3: the ultimate flawed or fallen character, all the rest of them.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 7: So the riddle of the Sphinx is from the play
Speaker 7: of Otipus Oedipus. However you say it the next one,
Speaker 7: nick I got the riddle there that everyone can read.
Speaker 7: What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs
Speaker 7: at noon, and three legs in the evening. Most people
Speaker 7: know that the answer is man or humans rather to
Speaker 7: be more politically correct, the staff of old age being
Speaker 7: the third leg in the evening. But here we see
Speaker 7: Otopus and he's got a staff, and I would say
Speaker 7: that the answer actually is the Master, the thrice Great
Speaker 7: walks on three legs, right, And and we see here
Speaker 7: otis himself himself as the staff there. And there's a
Speaker 7: second in this play again we're talking about when when
Speaker 7: Otopus goes to defeat the Sphinx. I believe he was
Speaker 7: even in the play was in Egypt, but I'm not
Speaker 7: one hundred percent sure he might have been elsewhere. But
Speaker 7: the Sphinx and Cherubim widely celebrated symbol of you know,
Speaker 7: a coming to get you character. There's known to be
Speaker 7: a second riddle of the Sphinx and a little bit
Speaker 7: lesser known. So I would just say that that with that,
Speaker 7: it's not the old person, it's.
Speaker 5: The master.
Speaker 3: Forehead two d that yeah, tetramorph tetramorphalypse, right, got a
Speaker 3: lot of.
Speaker 7: Stuff, and four is a super powerful number in all
Speaker 7: of Asian countries. Sometimes it's auspicious and lucky. Other times
Speaker 7: it's not even on the elevator buttons right, like the
Speaker 7: like flour thirteen in the West. And sometimes they won't
Speaker 7: have thirteen either. No four, no thirteen a negative one
Speaker 7: and then they start. So the next one is the
Speaker 7: second riddle of the Sphinx, and it just beckons the
Speaker 7: yin yang concept. Right, there are two sisters. One gives
Speaker 7: birth to the other and she in turn gives birth
Speaker 7: to the first.
Speaker 5: Who are the two sisters?
Speaker 7: And I mean it's just just in that collaboration it
Speaker 7: just you see the yin and yang. The answer is
Speaker 7: is day and night right, And day and night also
Speaker 7: has a or rather one day has four aspects, just
Speaker 7: like a year. There's day and night in the first polarity,
Speaker 7: and there's dawn and dusk in in the second polarity.
Speaker 7: So and now I'm gonna get into something that I
Speaker 7: have not studied entirely. But it is so profound in
Speaker 7: bringing together these four aspects and lessons of four that
Speaker 7: I think it's worth sharing it. And and Elephus Levie
Speaker 7: is uh a foundational occultists, and he came up with
Speaker 7: the idea about the powers of the sphinx. And so
Speaker 7: certainly the idea with the Egyptians was not getting old
Speaker 7: and carrying a staff. It was being immortal and holding
Speaker 7: a branch of the tree of life. And that's really
Speaker 7: what the staff symbolizes. It's not your you're old, you
Speaker 7: need a stick. No, it's the reason why the kings
Speaker 7: and the priests and the philosophers, Moses to Tahoudi to whoever,
Speaker 7: they all had a staff because it is the branch
Speaker 7: of the tree of life.
Speaker 5: That they get to hold. Because they're empowered individuals.
Speaker 7: So here's a set of the four idea related to
Speaker 7: these four aspects of the sphinx, which is nick. You
Speaker 7: might have heard of these in Thalima. I heard that
Speaker 7: this is like a Thalamic things.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it kind of looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it also kind of goes along with
Speaker 2: the will to keep silent.
Speaker 1: Kind of goes along with ter.
Speaker 5: Right, right, it's all right there, Uh.
Speaker 7: I think that the first polarity there to know and
Speaker 7: to will. I saw this meme the other day, like
Speaker 7: people would rather argue about Crowley than learn about him. Ye,
Speaker 7: people would rather say the expression do as thatout will
Speaker 7: without even knowing anything. You have to know first, otherwise
Speaker 7: it'll be horrible if you enact your will and you're
Speaker 7: an ignorant, materialistic hollow you know, dunt the dunt like
Speaker 7: we see so many today. That's no good. The first
Speaker 7: aspect to do that will is to know. So Elvis
Speaker 7: Levi came up with this idea illustrated in the next one.
Speaker 7: All right, or or maybe maybe the next one or
Speaker 7: I forget where I'm at, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here here, here, it is right.
Speaker 7: Everything is possible to him who wills only what is true.
Speaker 7: Rest in Nature study know then dare dare to will
Speaker 7: dare to act and be silent. And there's that fourth
Speaker 7: aspect of silence again, and and it's it's very much
Speaker 7: like you don't want to be braggadocio. Also, you don't
Speaker 7: necessarily want to let people know your practice because they
Speaker 7: want they might want to chop it down. You know,
Speaker 7: if you don't let people know that you're you're not
Speaker 7: doing things harm harmful. I'm not saying to be clandestine
Speaker 7: and sneaky, just saying like sometimes you know, silence is
Speaker 7: just it's not sneaky, it's just showing by doing.
Speaker 3: And were big time into the espionage racket.
Speaker 7: That's true too. There's there's the exoteric interpretation of these
Speaker 7: esoteric ideas. Good point as absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Crowley was my six agent, was he not?
Speaker 1: I think he was? And I five, I definitely think
Speaker 1: he was intelligence.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, whatever kind of intelligence I mean I think.
Speaker 4: I mean the same thing with fucking uh what's his name?
Speaker 4: Quino d John d Right, he was the original seven
Speaker 4: below seven Yeah, man, yeah, sucking each other out.
Speaker 3: Dou below seven is two bolcane.
Speaker 4: Wow, every day, thank you?
Speaker 1: Heavin to look at the.
Speaker 7: So the next one is just another elaboration of this
Speaker 7: UH four mode of magic. If you will that Elphus
Speaker 7: Levi put forth. To learn how to will is to
Speaker 7: learn how to exercise dominion. But but not this, what's
Speaker 7: the true power dominion of self?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: But but that that could be interpreted different ways, and
Speaker 7: and you know, exerted different ways.
Speaker 5: But to be able to exert.
Speaker 7: Will power you must first know. For will power applied
Speaker 7: to folly is madness.
Speaker 5: Death and hell.
Speaker 7: So there it is, right the whole what Crowley is
Speaker 7: best known for. Do as that will, and people will
Speaker 7: just say that like that gives them some kind.
Speaker 5: Of right to do as that will.
Speaker 7: Well, you gotta know first, You must know first. So
Speaker 7: the next one I wanted to point out Nick, this
Speaker 7: is the eye of Horus, and it goes along with
Speaker 7: the eaching process. Right, it's got up to the one
Speaker 7: sixty four. It goes the other way, right, the eaching
Speaker 7: goes to sixty fourth parts. This goes to one sixty fourth.
Speaker 7: And this is heckat in an exoteric understanding. It is
Speaker 7: a measurement system of grain in ancient Egypt. And this
Speaker 7: was by these fractions. Is how they you know, measure
Speaker 7: their grain and also, you know.
Speaker 2: I just want to say this in there real quick,
Speaker 2: if you really think about it, your your the accordia
Speaker 2: is basically like almost like grainy, Like it's really interesting.
Speaker 7: Right, And I was going to say brain and grain, right,
Speaker 7: because this it's the way to measure the grain, and
Speaker 7: it's also the way to measure the brain, uh as
Speaker 7: as they do here, the smell being one half of
Speaker 7: the immediate perception value, as they put forth, which which
Speaker 7: I think we unknowingly like pheromones and so forth. These
Speaker 7: are really influential things going on and we don't even
Speaker 7: really know, you know, that we're smelling them sometimes it's
Speaker 7: not like a conscious smell.
Speaker 3: I had a weird evolutionary thought real quick, what if
Speaker 3: how we see the world influences how our brains are
Speaker 3: sh aped, so different species of animals see the world differently,
Speaker 3: and in doing so, it's influencing the shape of the
Speaker 3: brain instead of vice versa.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And even if you were to be a like
Speaker 7: a feral human and you end up with dogs, your
Speaker 7: sense of smell is going to be dumb heightened just
Speaker 7: because you're watching them doing it and you start doing it,
Speaker 7: You're you're just activating by practicing.
Speaker 5: Right, So I think if.
Speaker 3: Evolution requires a shifting of consciousness, sure, I.
Speaker 7: Don't think it's a what if. I think it is
Speaker 7: what is right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: That was now I was done with the images, Nick,
Speaker 7: but the four it just is a base way to
Speaker 7: perceive things and also a base way to develop.
Speaker 1: And Uh.
Speaker 7: One thing I forgot to mention is that the yin
Speaker 7: yang symbol is actually the taiji and it means the
Speaker 7: grand ultimate polarity. And so when people practice what we
Speaker 7: say tai chi, it's not tai chi, it's taiji. So
Speaker 7: they're practicing this self development system.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: So that's just another exoteric and esoteric relationship.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I wanted to pull up before?
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 2: I think I let me see if I have it
Speaker 2: just before when we talk about four's and like hates
Speaker 2: and stuff, and again there's these these two planetary sigils
Speaker 2: have to do with the mercury and Jupiter, I mean
Speaker 2: in Jupiter would be considered a higher arc of mercury anyway,
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you even have like the whole four you don't
Speaker 2: go up before again that is for Jupiter and I
Speaker 2: kind of just looked like even other ship you saw before.
Speaker 1: And then I do have.
Speaker 3: Harmonies was the Angel of Zeus or Jupiter?
Speaker 2: And then uh, this one is interesting, the one for Mercury,
Speaker 2: which would go with the eighth sphere. You do have
Speaker 2: like a bunch of like four again four squares, four circles.
Speaker 2: That was seeing the four repeated.
Speaker 5: Still yeah, it's deep symbol.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I learned something new every time I
Speaker 4: come on this show, So that's great.
Speaker 1: Normally I do too great information, Ethan, that was great.
Speaker 1: That was uh yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 7: Thanks for thanks for listening to everyone. Yeah, yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 7: I think the fourth Initiation really has some inspirational ideas
Speaker 7: and insights towards self development on our own, not necessarily
Speaker 7: without the guides. It's not saying to remove anything you
Speaker 7: might have learned before, but it's more just kind of
Speaker 7: empowering for our own individuation.
Speaker 3: Fourth dimensional thinking.
Speaker 1: Uh, anybody have any questions anything?
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, I ain't get to get
Speaker 6: to none of my times. Man, you're lucky, wrong and.
Speaker 5: We don't have to have that discussion.
Speaker 1: No, do you have any Yeah, it was anything? Was
Speaker 1: anything that you kind of wanted to ask to bring up.
Speaker 6: It's not any things specific that I can ask. I
Speaker 6: just had, you know, I just like some of the
Speaker 6: stuff that he talked about. You know, you know, the
Speaker 6: four meaning complete and stuff like that plays a lot
Speaker 6: of parts in Masonic rituals and ceremonies and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I appreciate it. I'm going to get more books.
Speaker 5: I've already read two of his books already.
Speaker 6: So and he said the fourth Initiation is the fourth one,
Speaker 6: of course, and uh there's other ones, so I have
Speaker 6: to go back and get the other ones, read those,
Speaker 6: then come back to this one and read this again
Speaker 6: just to get more of a basic understanding.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I enjoyed the enjoy his work. I mean
Speaker 5: I've read his books like that.
Speaker 6: As soon as he sent them to me or told
Speaker 6: me they were on Amazon, Kendle, I was like.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, let me go get there. And I already
Speaker 5: have another one on there.
Speaker 6: I just got It's gonna be about another two or
Speaker 6: three weeks before I read them. So yeah, anybody that's
Speaker 6: interested in you know, either in meditation or numeraal numbers
Speaker 6: or numbers in period and understanding, you know, the consciousness
Speaker 6: and the person within you.
Speaker 5: I guarantee you you learn a lot from reading these books.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2: Definitely hell Us of Jules, did you uh want to
Speaker 2: ask her anything.
Speaker 3: Or what I was I was gonna say, we were
Speaker 3: looking into uh Lithuanian paganism because uh Lithuanian and so
Speaker 3: uh there's this one symbol of Remova which is like
Speaker 3: the pagan h equivalent of their native religion, right and
Speaker 3: uh it has four snakes on the on the seal,
Speaker 3: and it's like that's perfect, Like you're all about the
Speaker 3: four and there's the four right there.
Speaker 5: So I thought that was kind of interesting, not as
Speaker 5: bad as symbol.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's really knowing the four aspects of things
Speaker 7: or even imagining that it might be there. When I
Speaker 7: look at symbols, and when I'm looking at even symbological stories,
Speaker 7: I find it really helps to decipher things, like with
Speaker 7: the three two two idea, not necessarily verified, not necessarily
Speaker 7: entirely the truth, it's a possibility.
Speaker 5: And also with the uh the riddle of the Sphinx.
Speaker 7: It may not be that what I'm saying that there
Speaker 7: is a fourth aspect, but but as soon as I
Speaker 7: saw that there's the threefold idea. It just kind of
Speaker 7: made me think, well, we're there's a there's a fourth
Speaker 7: answer here, So I think it does help interpret different
Speaker 7: different things.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Oh, Ethan, thank you very much.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm really really happy you came back on it. Tod.
Speaker 2: That definitely definitely, definitely definitely ten times better than last time.
Speaker 1: That's because there was other people here, so oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh yes, I guess we could just wrap
Speaker 2: it up then, well let everybody like this shows and
Speaker 2: promote this stuff again.
Speaker 1: Headless, what is going on over there? Man?
Speaker 3: That was a great episode. It felt like a whole
Speaker 3: initiation all on its own. So thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Ethan.
Speaker 3: You can email me your occult stories at the Headless
Speaker 3: giinat gmail dot com and we will read those on Thursdays,
Speaker 3: so check it out. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jules.
Speaker 4: Nick again, thanks for having me on. Great presentation. Like
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to have to try to remember
Speaker 4: to get your book sooner than later, Headless Tyrone. It's
Speaker 4: always good hanging out with you guys, hearing what you'all
Speaker 4: have to say. These shows are a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter, Great pield Pod, Instagram,
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Speaker 4: all that good stuff. I'm on Locals and Patreon because
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Speaker 4: I post all the streams over there. You get basically
Speaker 4: like your own show on Patreon. There's it's all Patreon
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Speaker 4: We do a lot of cool stuff. I might start
Speaker 4: having guests on Patreon shows and doing them on there
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks before I drop them. We do
Speaker 4: the elohem etymologies on there before we drop them. So yeah,
Speaker 4: go check me out there. Patreon dot com, slash Grateful
Speaker 4: podcast and uh yeah, Sunday Chaos This Sunday Night, our
Speaker 4: degenerate show that we do, new show or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: We just me and the boys get together, hang out, y'all.
Speaker 3: You take it over the Tower Gang slot.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, it's the t MO Tower Gang. Yeah, Tunnel Gang.
Speaker 4: But we're not Jews. Sorry, sorry, that's a bad joke.
Speaker 4: Get wait anyway, but yeah, y'all check us out tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll be doing we we got a couple
Speaker 4: of shows tomorrow, right, you'll you'll see me on one
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, y on.
Speaker 4: The later show perhaps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, depending on it if you can, man, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is great and uh, I appreciate you making
Speaker 4: me a part of this, Nick Hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course definitely show and uh oh before we
Speaker 2: get to uh Tyrone and Ethan to let them plug
Speaker 2: the plug the stuff, I do want to jump in
Speaker 2: because people.
Speaker 1: Are player starting to like shut it off regardless, but
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention it in the beginning.
Speaker 2: There is events uh that the cult regions will have
Speaker 2: boots at uh Tyrone and myself will be at a
Speaker 2: bunch of them.
Speaker 1: Tyrone will be out a bunch of them with me
Speaker 1: and then maybe maybe even other people.
Speaker 2: But I did want to plug some of the dates
Speaker 2: and at least like where they're supposed to be at,
Speaker 2: So September twenty sixth to twenty seventh in mount Airy, Georgia.
Speaker 1: October fourth, uh, Franklin, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: That's like a big Foot thing that those both there Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but they'll have the like weird other weird stuff there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then there's Charlie's Beyond Believe October eighteenth, and Brook from
Speaker 2: uh the cole Rejects but Dark Florida Park podcast. She
Speaker 2: is actually speaking at the event, and she's got a
Speaker 2: booth next to us. We grabbed the booth number thirty
Speaker 2: three and she got booth thirty two. Fuck it, it's
Speaker 2: time may Soundic Lodge. You gotta do it right.
Speaker 1: Check check that place out. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie's Beyond Belief and that would be in Fort Myers, Florida.
Speaker 2: So even if we want to come down and talk
Speaker 2: some shit and see if I want to catch some checks,
Speaker 2: you can come check me out down that October twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty sixth. You were guy the UFO Comic Con in Greenville,
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Uh, November twenty second, UFO Comic Con, Moresville,
Speaker 2: North Carolina. And then December fifth and sixth some art
Speaker 2: thing with There will be authors, artists and filmmakers and
Speaker 2: weird stuff mount Airy, Georgia. So come check it out
Speaker 2: if you can. Most of those events too, are like
Speaker 2: ten dollars apiece. So even if you just want to
Speaker 2: like fucking if you're around in the area and just
Speaker 2: meet up with us and talk shit. Just ten bucks,
Speaker 2: So yeah, come hang out. We'll have a booth and
Speaker 2: we'll have some wild shit setup too as well. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm done talking, I'll shut up, Tyrone.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a good show.
Speaker 6: But you already know that Ethan, you bring great material
Speaker 6: whenever you speak so or write a book, So either
Speaker 6: way that goes, you know how that goes. Everything you
Speaker 6: can find on me is on my website, Rebirth at
Speaker 6: the word dot com. You can find my rumbo, my
Speaker 6: Twitter accounts, my Facebook accounts, my LinkedIn and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, just be on the lookout for my documentary.
Speaker 6: Well it's not so called like a documentary type what
Speaker 6: you see on television, but it's not gonna documentary of
Speaker 6: all the places that I'm visiting around the Americas and
Speaker 6: other places, so you get a more feel of it
Speaker 6: because a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Are going to AI and I'm trying to not do that.
Speaker 5: I want to bring real, authentic material to the people.
Speaker 5: So yeah, check that out.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 2: And last but not least, the guests of the hour
Speaker 2: and a half, almost two hours, e'sn in to go,
Speaker 2: thank you again very much, sir for coming on, and.
Speaker 7: No, thank you Nick for putting together all the awesome
Speaker 7: shows Headless Jules Tyrone, I thank you so much for
Speaker 7: your friendship and support that that was really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm on all the usual social media YouTube, Twitter, Facebook,
Speaker 7: and so on, and I can be found easily, and
Speaker 7: my book is on Amazon can be found easy to
Speaker 7: and thank you everyone for the support. I was trying
Speaker 7: to look at the chat and not laugh too much,
Speaker 7: So thanks you.
Speaker 4: For the grown episode on my show. You Gotta Anytime
Speaker 4: one gray Field YouTube tire.
Speaker 1: Ethan's got a lot to say. Actually, if you look.
Speaker 6: Much stuff I got, I got PowerPoint presentations ready, so
Speaker 6: I'm ready anytime.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for real.
Speaker 4: Every Tuesday thirty Central already dead. Uh me, Well, I'm
Speaker 4: the producer. I run behind the scenes. But Josey Gallison
Speaker 4: and Austin Picard, uh you can catch it on their
Speaker 4: channels or mine. I stream it to my channel too.
Speaker 4: So Tuesday did I say Thursday? I meant Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, tuesdays?
Speaker 4: Fuck me?
Speaker 1: Is that why you're not there?
Speaker 4: Sometimes ten hours a day? He's like, I'm there on Thursday?
Speaker 4: Like wait, yeah, yeah, guys, great show tonight. Hell here
Speaker 4: show tonight fellas.
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, No, that was a great, great show. Ethan again,
Speaker 2: I really for me, I did you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you added all this stuff. It just seemed like
Speaker 2: it was it was different than the last time, maybe
Speaker 2: because there was different people here. But that was really
Speaker 2: really great stuff man, and the chat was awesome, so I.
Speaker 7: Tried really trying to make it a little different.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, that is the end of another reculled
Speaker 2: Rejects And thanks again for everybody in the chat. That's
Speaker 2: what's up. Thank you all for making it tonight. And
Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit later, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 1: Later