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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey, come and take my pain, honey all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh don't why think alone when you can drink it

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<v Speaker 1>all In with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour, Join your bartenders,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Hayward, John You, and the International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the laps napp It'll live it ain't you easy

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<v Speaker 1>on the should taps, got a givvy and let that

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody to another episode of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour,

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<v Speaker 2>recorded before a live studio audience. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>those people will speed from because when the kresha is

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast, usually you're crying a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Laws you too, though it's not the audience. The audience

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<v Speaker 3>is cheering gets YouTube that are crying.

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<v Speaker 2>You may have noticed Steve Hayward got a boy, Steve

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<v Speaker 2>whole that thing up. I love all right, Command Console

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<v Speaker 2>the US Enterprise. It's original series.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Roadie two. Oh yeah, well it's got all

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<v Speaker 1>the sliders. I can you know, be myself somewhere and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's and it's got all these crazy things that

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<v Speaker 1>does you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, can I just say that we have unleashed a

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<v Speaker 2>terror onto the podcast world.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I saying I'm actually in the only room in

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<v Speaker 3>my house that is not torn up? Uh, just the

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<v Speaker 3>secondary this This is mister Lucretia's office. If you look,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see his I can't do it with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a stationar camera. You can see all of

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<v Speaker 3>his military stuff surround to get helmets and uh anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of thing. But I want to say that

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<v Speaker 3>the disappointing thing to me I had to listen to

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<v Speaker 3>some technology somebody talked the other day about how we

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<v Speaker 3>have actually turned into permanent parts of our technology all

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<v Speaker 3>of the sci fi things that we watched as kids,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and and I want to know why it

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<v Speaker 3>is that out of all the things we got out

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<v Speaker 3>of Star Trek, we never got that thing that that

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<v Speaker 3>Scotty carried around was at Scotty doc what sorry, it's

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<v Speaker 3>been years.

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<v Speaker 4>Bones, that was his name, Bones, And you know that

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<v Speaker 4>he could just do this and and and diagnosed whatever

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<v Speaker 4>was wrong with someone. That's what we need.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't need all that other crack. We need that

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<v Speaker 3>that thing that diagnoses people. And that's the end of

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<v Speaker 3>my technology discussion for today, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's called the medical tricorder.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what, we have one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>We're pretty close to having it, actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Working on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah maybe, I mean, I don't I think, Lucas, you're

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<v Speaker 1>we're drinking. I'm drinking an Obon fourteen to I the Highland,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be more acceptable to light. And she's got

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<v Speaker 1>some red wine.

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<v Speaker 3>So and I know my whiskey's packed other than a

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<v Speaker 3>bottle of jet. No, it's a wild turkey honey that

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<v Speaker 3>I use for my uh my hot toddies when I

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<v Speaker 3>have a cold. But mmmm, it's sweet. But I am

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<v Speaker 3>drinking a San Filipo the Devil Brunaldo di Monticino. That's

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<v Speaker 3>my translation from the Italian, which is from the lovely

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<v Speaker 3>place of Siena that the three of us visited and

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<v Speaker 3>had a wonderful time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so great, very good. And I'm in La and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be participating in a debate tomorrow at

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Society on on Birthright Citizenship at the Federal

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<v Speaker 2>Society Western Chapters meeting at the Reagan Library, Riot. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope a great experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry you have to lose that

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<v Speaker 1>debate tomorrow, John, but it's just the way it is

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<v Speaker 1>when you went at the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares? But I'll be debating Elon Morman, a young professor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so you're more from the University of Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>who has an article out arguing defending Trump's executive order

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<v Speaker 2>from an originalist perspective. So it'll be a good debate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it'll be on the Federal Society webs right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then your little litery eyed from being back doing

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<v Speaker 1>out numbered on Fox yesterday? Was that just yesterday?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was out numbered yesterday in New York. I

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<v Speaker 2>got off the plane just a few little bit ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fun part of it was that President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was having cabinet meeting right before. In fact, he came

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<v Speaker 2>you know, went partially into our time, but that meant

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<v Speaker 2>we gave the you know, immediate color feedback. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like being a color commentator at a baseball game. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>where did you commenting on it? Right after? Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, where did you fly on this morning? Philadelphia or Newark?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know how many people are ahead of me

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<v Speaker 2>in those terrible tsa lines, Oh zero zero, I went

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<v Speaker 2>at nine. I showed up around ten am for twelve

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<v Speaker 2>noon flakes. I didn't believe there were going to be lines,

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<v Speaker 2>and I highly recommend is. I got tsa pre checked touchless.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know about this? Yes? Yeah, yes, they had

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<v Speaker 2>their own lines and nobody's using them. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>walked right up. There was literally no one in line.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked right up to directly from getting onto Uber.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked unstopped till I got to the X ray machine.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got repeatedly stopped and harassed, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton was working the machine, kneeling everybody up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it was outrageous. Well now, anyway, so that was my

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe I should take that up first, John, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of stead of the war for this reason is yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what I heard this morning. First thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that San Diego was a nightmare today. You know, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people calling in sick, super long lines. And then

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<v Speaker 1>so you head Atlanta has been a nightmare. Other places

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston, in New Orleans, but not Newark, not the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington airports, although a curious thing. You know, Delta announced

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<v Speaker 1>publicly that they were pulling there. There's special access desk

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<v Speaker 1>for members of Congress, which I thought was a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little touch.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have to say, I've been flying all around

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<v Speaker 2>this week, And so I did fly from Austin, same experience,

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<v Speaker 2>walked directly from the car straight through to Thissa, touchless

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<v Speaker 2>no line there. Flew into Baltimore Washington Airport, nobody was there,

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<v Speaker 2>and then out of Newark it was fine, completely fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is what's making me suspicious is you would think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we would think that the number of people

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<v Speaker 1>calling in sick or quitting would be pretty evenly distributed

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<v Speaker 1>around the country. Instead, you're seeing you might call it hotspots.

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<v Speaker 1>TSA is unionized. I am wondering if some of the

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<v Speaker 1>sickouts are deliberately coordinated to put pressure on certain places

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<v Speaker 1>but not other places. I mean, the last place they're

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<v Speaker 1>the politicians inconvenienced. But the other thing is, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this, John, There's been no lines in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because well you must know this, John, because you

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<v Speaker 1>they have private they have privates. You have advertised every

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<v Speaker 1>airport has the option to bypass the government TSA and

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<v Speaker 1>hire a private contractor. They wear the same uniforms to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same training and all the same procedures, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a private company. And I'm sitting here thinking, if

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<v Speaker 1>they really wanted to do a work stoppage slow down

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the whole country, then Trump might pull a Ronald

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan with the air traffic controllers and say, fine, I

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<v Speaker 1>want all the airports to you know, forget these people

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<v Speaker 1>don't come to work, sign up private contractors tomorrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would be an ex signing up now.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, Here's there's two things that First

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<v Speaker 3>of all, can you honestly blame people who? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have huge bank accounts to rely on these

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<v Speaker 3>TSA workers just so for a moment, Let's not pretend

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<v Speaker 3>that they're doing something wrong when they call out, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sorry they worked for weeks, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm refusing. My experience is flying quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week was I met up with one sort of

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<v Speaker 3>surly TSA agent and who you know, pushed my bag

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<v Speaker 3>in for a secondary thing. But after a poor woman

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<v Speaker 3>with a little, tiny baby, he spent fifteen minutes feeling

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<v Speaker 3>up the baby carrier for I don't God only knows what,

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<v Speaker 3>but anyway, but that was it. Otherwise they were pleasant

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<v Speaker 3>they were wonderful. I had no just like John, no

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<v Speaker 3>problems with lines, but I wanted to say something about

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<v Speaker 3>those private security people. Back to your comment about the union.

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<v Speaker 3>The head of the union for TSA, I guess whatever

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<v Speaker 3>that means, said that when they had and they started

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<v Speaker 3>doing articles about the private security forces, the civilian those

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<v Speaker 3>not part of the government. He said, it's just terrible

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<v Speaker 3>that they do this because these TSA agents are spend

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<v Speaker 3>months and months and months in training, and after all,

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<v Speaker 3>security is only a government function and only the government.

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<v Speaker 1>Can do it well.

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<v Speaker 4>And he just went on and on and on, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was so stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, let this guy open his mouth, because

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<v Speaker 3>everything he said made me think what I've always thought,

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<v Speaker 3>which is we should get rid of TSA and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>make them all private contractors. But anyway, and they're still

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<v Speaker 3>getting paid because the contracts have already been paid. But

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<v Speaker 3>what I don't understand, and what I want you guys

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<v Speaker 3>to explain to me, is TSA, me go, ice and

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<v Speaker 3>border patrol were funded in the big beautiful Bill. None

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<v Speaker 3>of this performative nonsense by the Democrats has any impact

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<v Speaker 3>whatsoever on ice funding or border patrol.

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<v Speaker 4>And even today this is what I don't understand. Even today.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't fund ice and border patrol in the what

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate put forward, but they don't need it, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I just don't get it. Somebody explain it

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I can don't get it. Maybe there's somebody else's.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it either. And I was wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>we had an especially craven example of Republicans in the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate caving and say, oh, let's kick the can down

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<v Speaker 1>the road and we will limit current funding to the

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<v Speaker 1>next sixty days, because that's apparently just a sixty d

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock on what the Senate passed, and in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>that there may have been I can't figure it out either.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't read the bill, because who knows, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>not available. I haven't read the bill, but it sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody has. It sounded like there was a cave

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<v Speaker 1>into the Democrats on the part of the Republicans and

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<v Speaker 1>then they all left town, right. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaker Johnson, if you saw him, I caught a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of him. He was really exercised about this, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>normally very calm, cool and collected, and no, he was

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<v Speaker 1>mad and he's really mad at the Senate and Senate Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>So good for him, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's let's talk a little bit more about that,

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<v Speaker 2>because that all just happened today. Last early this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>The Senate did pass a bill to try to restore

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<v Speaker 2>funding to the rest of the apartment, I think, except

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<v Speaker 2>for ice and border patrol, though, as Lucasia just point out,

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<v Speaker 2>those are already funded. And so that made it through

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate, and then the Freedom Caucus I believe blocked

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<v Speaker 2>that's one development. But then the second one that just

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<v Speaker 2>occurred is that President Trump has declared an emergency and

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<v Speaker 2>has is re well I mean is I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>official term, legal term is usually called something like reprogramming

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<v Speaker 2>the fund, so he's moving it from one account to

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. I mean, my question is, if

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be an omb question, and so maybe he won't

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<v Speaker 4>But I I don't know. I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the President is arguing that it's gone

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<v Speaker 4>That's my understanding of the legal argument there.

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<v Speaker 2>case of emergency. You might remember in the first term

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<v Speaker 2>So I Stephen Linda the picture of me having the

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<v Speaker 2>of one in the bottom of the other and just

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you had one too.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one. I had one.

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<v Speaker 4>I had them take the sauce off.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I would in a thousand years eat some

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<v Speaker 3>nasty sauce like that on anything. But it was still

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<v Speaker 3>so just slimy, and it had these fried onion things

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<v Speaker 4>I ate maybe I was starving.

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<v Speaker 3>I had not eaten it was like two o'clock in

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<v Speaker 3>a try. I can discuss you with John. It was awful,

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly it was good.

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<v Speaker 4>I will tell you the meat was good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucretia, you are like your Claremont brad theren and sisters

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<v Speaker 2>and your snobby food elitism. I can't stand it. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just insulting the United States of America. What about you?

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<v Speaker 1>And I still have no I haven't had. I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>you John about what was the the burger for claire

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<v Speaker 1>monsters in Claremont. It was the stuffed burger at Walters.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think about it's perfect Straussian burger because

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<v Speaker 1>it had the cheese and grilled mushrooms cooked inside the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the patty, so you see it's hidden from view. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fantastic burger. John.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a snob.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll eat I'll eat a fish sandwich with no tartar sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>Al eat a cheeseburger, just a cheeseburger because they don't

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<v Speaker 3>put mayonnaise or they just put those little onions on

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm fine with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just that.

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<v Speaker 3>Disgusting sort of gooey greasy. No, no, it's not for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not snobbish.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me also say that a friend of the podcast, Janiyardborough,

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<v Speaker 2>an excellent political scientist Bowden. Yes, yes, who has written

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<v Speaker 2>some very interesting books on Polko theory. I believe what

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<v Speaker 2>you call her as Chaussian. Two guys, Is she part

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she actually studied with Hannah Rant at the New

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yeah, has been emailing. Yeah, she's been emailing

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<v Speaker 2>propose that we have a Lucretia versus jean Yarborough off, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because she says she cooks a mean burger. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will. We will see which one is the

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<v Speaker 2>most Straussian of them all. Very good. So let's turn

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<v Speaker 2>now for our next topic, which is, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>One.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has sent I believe, a fifteen point piece

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<v Speaker 2>and the attacks continue. The United States and Israel are

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<v Speaker 2>still heavily bombing the nice is one thing I thought

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<v Speaker 2>The Secretary Headseth said that the United States is flying

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<v Speaker 2>That A ten is a is a I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>is propelled by propellers, flies really low, right, yeah, flies

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<v Speaker 2>and it's you know, has a lot of armor in

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<v Speaker 2>defenses and air force are no more. Nevertheless, do not

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<v Speaker 2>know this from the coverage and the little liberal media.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve had a post earlier this week on Substack of

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<v Speaker 2>Street Journal if the war does not go well. So Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>why is this happening? Why does first do you think

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<v Speaker 2>the war is going well? And then two, why is

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I figured this out a week ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>that we're winning this war because the media says we're

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<v Speaker 1>losing it. Right, it's a quagmire, right, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>default of the media is it's always Vietnam all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And you remember the Iraq War. The first three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and so whatever the media is reporting, you can pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much assume that the opposite is true. Now. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is giving off all these mixed signals, partly because

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<v Speaker 1>it through. And that might mean, you know, occupying carg Island,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is checkmate for the Iranians. You won't

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<v Speaker 1>pocket if he wants to. Ah, I will end with

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<v Speaker 1>this historical analogy just to annoy Lucretia, because I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of my job description, right. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Drawing historical analogies, are annoying Lucretia, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, well, you know it's my favorite way. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just following other people saying this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a reverse of course, this is a reverse reversal of

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<v Speaker 2>That I've seen that analogy ludicrous.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Well, no, here's why. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>let me play it out for you, John. In that

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<v Speaker 1>lie with Israel to attack, in that case, Egypt over

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<v Speaker 1>the Suez Canal, which they had an international right to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was not a Nobody made the argument. They were,

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<v Speaker 1>as they do about Trump now, that they were violating

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<v Speaker 1>international law. And who stopped them? Well, our president Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 2>Stopped them, Yeah, Dwight Eisenhower stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Them right, quite forceful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it's a ridiculous analogy. No greater than us

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm coming to that point. But let's remember how

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<v Speaker 1>serious an attack that was. It wasn't just Eisenhower saying stop,

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<v Speaker 1>planning of it, and it was occurring six weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>a midterm elector, no his own reelection, sorry, but the

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<v Speaker 1>I did like what Churchill said about it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>have dared, and if I had dared, I certainly never

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<v Speaker 1>would have dared.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's Trump's disposition. That's just what I

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<v Speaker 1>get from you ignore trying to parse out every inconsistency

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<v Speaker 1>or contradiction or new thing. But it looks to me

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<v Speaker 1>overall that he's going to see it through, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I have confidence. And yeah, to your point, John, the Europeans,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't attack the dollar quite the other is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>The dollar is now becoming a refuge again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The price of gold is falling because people would rather

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<v Speaker 1>hold dollars right now than gold, which is odd for

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of circumstance and.

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<v Speaker 4>You're investment strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. Look, it'll be uh uh, it will pay

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<v Speaker 1>off in the long run. Because but what and the

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<v Speaker 1>and the point is it's it is kind of the reverse.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with Lacrete on this. This You're you're over analogizing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're too taken by the parallels in history. This is

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<v Speaker 2>very different. We know this is a this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is the reason why there is the reason why they

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<v Speaker 2>stopped the invasion as to as it is because Eisenhower

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<v Speaker 2>was really worried about the Russians coming into mill easiness

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<v Speaker 2>and excuse to come in. No one's going to stop

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<v Speaker 2>us here. There's no greater power that can stop the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. And you said, there's no more powerful country

447
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<v Speaker 2>is going to put financial pressure on us to stop

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is all part of this like the

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<v Speaker 2>end of American Empire stuff there. And compare the United

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<v Speaker 2>States to I've got though this was a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal that we can to compare the

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<v Speaker 2>United States to Britain and France in the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like it's just it's just not even close.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think Stevie, just you like the parallel of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it really is really different.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I said it was a reverse. I said it

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<v Speaker 1>was a reversal of it. John, you weren't listening as usual, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to pour someone Oban out of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say to that is what you just said, John,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I leave Steve's alone. What I always say

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<v Speaker 3>to what you just said is that it's true enough

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<v Speaker 3>that there was no other country that you know can

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<v Speaker 3>make us do anything?

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<v Speaker 4>Shall we say?

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<v Speaker 3>But what is very much a worry, and what started

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<v Speaker 3>this discussion, in my opinion, is the overwhelming push to

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<v Speaker 3>discredit Trump, to discredit our activities in Iran, to discredit

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that our and the Israeli efforts are making

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<v Speaker 3>any any difference, To bring up the idea that no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what, Iran will emerge victorious at the end of.

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<v Speaker 4>It because of A, B and C.

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<v Speaker 3>And that I think could in fact be what undermines

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<v Speaker 3>the success of it, because you will have so many,

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<v Speaker 3>especially Rhino weak, pathetic excuses for Republicans who will start

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the polls, and I'm not sure the polls

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<v Speaker 3>are all that accurate, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Be that as it may.

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<v Speaker 3>What's reported is that Trump is losing support. That the

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<v Speaker 3>war is losing support. How could it not with these

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of media reports. I do think that ultimately that

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<v Speaker 3>could have a very serious, unhappy effect on what happens

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<v Speaker 3>what we do to completely annihilate the Islamic Republic regime

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<v Speaker 3>and bring about freedom and some kind of self governance

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<v Speaker 3>for the the lovely Persian people, whom I you know,

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<v Speaker 3>are in my prayers every day that they don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to live with this kind of horror. I confess to

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<v Speaker 3>a student of mine, I just want to tell you

488
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<v Speaker 3>yesterday that I realized that what it is is I

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<v Speaker 3>would rather live in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

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<v Speaker 3>than under some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably to some extent because you know, I'm no feminist,

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<v Speaker 3>but I am a woman, and I don't I never.

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<v Speaker 3>I my heart breaks for those women and lots of

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<v Speaker 3>people that live under that tyrannical regime. In many ways,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's much much worse than anything people ever

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<v Speaker 3>had to suffer through in the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 4>So there there you have it.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have no we have no public Uh, there

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<v Speaker 3>just isn't enough public support for the war. That's overcoming

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening with the lamestream media. Isn't that what Rush

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<v Speaker 3>Limbaugh used to call it the lame stree or.

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<v Speaker 4>Drive by media whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve follow up with you and then ask for lucretius law.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned that ground troops are now being sent to

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<v Speaker 2>the region. You know, you could say, on the one hand, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians are really in a lot of trouble when

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<v Speaker 2>the eighty second Airborne's on its way, But are you

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<v Speaker 2>also worried that this actually might drag the administrative United

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<v Speaker 2>States and administration into the kind of war it can't

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<v Speaker 2>win if it's if it starts deploying groups boots on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, even in limited ways, like as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>taking KRG Island, which is the Iranian oil facility. Basically

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<v Speaker 2>all the oil in Iran goes through that facility which

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<v Speaker 2>is on the island, or if you listen to military experts,

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<v Speaker 2>they saved in order to really secure the straight of

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<v Speaker 2>Horror moves to stop people from shooting drones and cruise

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<v Speaker 2>missiles across it, you would need to have ground troops

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<v Speaker 2>on the post to hold the land and prevent people

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<v Speaker 2>from infiltrating and shooting off missiles. At the oil tankers.

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<v Speaker 2>Does this worry you that we might right send ground,

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<v Speaker 2>actually deployed ground shoots in this war.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I'm no expert in these matters, but my

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<v Speaker 1>general view is no, I'm not worried about it because

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<v Speaker 1>I do think the current leadership at the Pentagon under

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump, have learned from the mistakes of the past.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not trying to, you know, win hearts and minds

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<v Speaker 1>and all the silly stuff that goes back to Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>or set up a whole new democratic republic like we

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<v Speaker 1>tried in Iraq in Afghanistan. We're not bringing US aid,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to bring in a state department. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to take some choke points or well I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I think that was always overdone, but okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so no, I mean, you know it could go wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But look, I mean the Iranians have Let's just pose

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<v Speaker 1>we roll over a carg island. I'll bet we can

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<v Speaker 1>do that pretty well, and I think Iran has almost

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<v Speaker 1>no capacity to take it back. So now other things

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<v Speaker 1>areund closer to the strait of hormones that may be

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<v Speaker 1>more difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have to look at a map and think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and even then I wouldn't know enough to draw a conclusion.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have two quick cos I want you guys

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<v Speaker 3>to comment back. The first is I think I might

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<v Speaker 3>have mentioned this in an earlier podcast, but it's very

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to see the same people who are arguing against

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<v Speaker 3>the Second Amendment, the proper understanding of the Second Amendment,

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<v Speaker 3>which is to arm the people for uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>revolting against their government when it becomes necessary, are also

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<v Speaker 3>out there saying, oh, yeah, the Persian people can never

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<v Speaker 3>secure their own freedom because they don't they have none

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<v Speaker 3>of the weapons. Just out of curiosity, why are we not?

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe we are, God I hope we are, But

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<v Speaker 3>why are we not engaging in the same kind of

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<v Speaker 3>support for resistance activities inside of Iran? Why are we

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<v Speaker 3>not if we know that there are these huge numbers

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<v Speaker 3>of people that would are willing to rise up and

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<v Speaker 3>defy you know, almost certain death to do so, why

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<v Speaker 3>are we Is it just impossible for us to get

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<v Speaker 3>those kinds of materials and so forth in there?

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<v Speaker 4>I just wonder that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I would go if I was if they

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<v Speaker 3>put me in charge for a day, that would be

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<v Speaker 3>my number help help the people help themselves in Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I know. I could see Lucretia flying a

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<v Speaker 2>gigantic C seventeen over Iran throwing out.

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<v Speaker 1>Art one of those gunships that have all those you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty caliber guns too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Why why would you stop at Iran? I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of countries like to fly over and

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<v Speaker 2>throw ar.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, oh, people are only listening. We'll see her right. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look real quickly, John, we got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we break just real quick, John, there are go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>There are news reports today. Again the news mean is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to know, but there are some news reports

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that, and I've heard from credible people that the

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<v Speaker 1>Israelis are working to get arms in place for people

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<v Speaker 1>and but telling them to wait, and that there are

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<v Speaker 1>things that are happening. We're not gonna learn about it

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<v Speaker 1>from the medium. We're not going to know until it's

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<v Speaker 1>already happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that, okay, okay, got it. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>we have to go to a break. So we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to a break now, and then when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back with Kritia, we'll get in her last comments

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<v Speaker 2>because I was planting her and he probably has better

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<v Speaker 2>ways to deliver automatic weapons to the civilians, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we have one or two more topics to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, it's too much fun. Okay, here we go, oh Hadley,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just high Hadley.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're We're lovely to see you, Hadley. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're back. Lucretia. Sorry to cut you off

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<v Speaker 2>for our McDonald's ad breaks, but you had a comment before.

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<v Speaker 3>Just it's it's a very minor comment, uh that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're told that that because the regime and in Iran

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<v Speaker 3>has shut down communications and shut down the Internet and

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<v Speaker 3>all those sorts of things. But my understanding of past conflicts,

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<v Speaker 3>historical conflicts, I'm not going to be analogy girl tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>but resistance measures and and and reporting out of places

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<v Speaker 3>like Nazi Germany or even you know, go as far

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<v Speaker 3>back as this, they.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't have the Internet. Why are why is news coming

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<v Speaker 4>out of Iran so sparse and so unreliable?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we not?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we not capable of having reporters who can actually

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<v Speaker 4>report without the Internet? Are you guys following what I'm s.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I don't think there are many Well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, the European reporters you wouldn't trust. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there are any American reporters there, or there might

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<v Speaker 1>be CNN who we know have been badly compromised trying

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<v Speaker 1>to report from Iraq twenty years ago and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>There is this internet channel by in Irani and who

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<v Speaker 1>speaks perfect English. I forget the name of it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of my pals and washing and this guy does

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<v Speaker 1>these daily reports uploaded to YouTube by starlink. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's some pretty good reporting. Our news media is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to pick up on it because this guy isn't

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<v Speaker 1>vetted like they say, and all the rest of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think that's not that unusual. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we got I mean, you know, there was William

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<v Speaker 1>Schreier in Germany the beginning and for the first, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>many months of the war, but even his reporting was

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<v Speaker 1>not actually done after the fact, right, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's that unusual to not have good news sources.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, fair enough, Yeah, I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move on to third topic. A happy moment. Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Lucre and I will all be in Austin, Texas this

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<v Speaker 2>week for a conference being sponsored by the Civitas Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>the home of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Legal Foundation, on one dimension of the two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is actually I've always wondered about this. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a conference on what is the meaning of the

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<v Speaker 2>phrase pursuit of happiness? And so we'll have one panel

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<v Speaker 2>with some friends like Lucas Morrell and Phil Muno's and

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<v Speaker 2>Steve and Lucretia, and then we'll have a second panel

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<v Speaker 2>primarily with public interest law groups about if you could

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what pursuit of happiness meant, how would you

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<v Speaker 2>implement it, how would you try to carry it out

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<v Speaker 2>in litigation? And so let me ask you both, what

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<v Speaker 2>does the pursuit of happiness mean? Other than getting a

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<v Speaker 2>new Star Trek soundboard and disrupting podcasts with it? Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think the pursuit of happiness?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it doesn't mean what a monster? That's right, though

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad. You guys are going to steal it, take

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<v Speaker 1>it from me, I'm sure, or smash it with a

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<v Speaker 1>hammer next week when I bring it up. Look, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean what is sort of the commonplace meaning today,

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<v Speaker 1>which is whatever makes you happy, whatever floats your boat,

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<v Speaker 1>or to use the sixties phrase of the sexual Revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>if it feels good, do it right. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>happiness and the pursuit of happiness in modern times has

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<v Speaker 1>come to be the apotheosis of unlimited individual autonomy, going

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately to defining your own meaning of existence, as some

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court justice once said, or defining your own gender,

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<v Speaker 1>right to pick any one of the one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven or however many you're on the label of

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<v Speaker 1>the ketchup bottle. Now and the Founders, it's a long story,

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<v Speaker 1>but in two sentences, the founder's view was a much

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<v Speaker 1>more classical view, informed both by Jerusalem and Athens. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just put it that way. These were, you know, biblical,

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<v Speaker 1>biblical people, but also people deeply learned in the Roman

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<v Speaker 1>and Greek traditions which connected happiness to virtue. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some great scholars over the years who really dilated that, Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm blanking on the historian who was Leonard Levy's predecessor

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<v Speaker 1>at Claremont before Lucretia and I were there. Uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who wrote Fame in the Founding Fathers. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>blanking on his name, which is Douglas. Thank you, right, Douglas.

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<v Speaker 1>Adare okay, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I've read these things a few more decades more recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Than that's the problem and your brains. You haven't lost

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<v Speaker 1>brains a couple ago. Okay. Anyway, And and there's other

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<v Speaker 1>people have written well on this, and some of our

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<v Speaker 1>give us examples.

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<v Speaker 2>What are examples of the pursuit of happiness in your view?

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<v Speaker 1>Then well, if if it's not rested on a foundation

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<v Speaker 1>of virtue, it's not true happiness, right, And I not

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<v Speaker 1>explain that would take a while, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go on a while, but I just mention that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the persons on at the conference

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<v Speaker 1>you neglected to mention who's going to talk about exactly

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<v Speaker 1>this point is Brad Thompson from Clemson.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just add that you know we'd invited Carly

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<v Speaker 1>Conklin from Missouri has written a very good book about

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<v Speaker 1>the pursuit of happiness at the time of the Founding,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's unable to come. And so we have two

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<v Speaker 1>panels that normally the identitarians say are mannals because it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, six white guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even notice.

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<v Speaker 1>No, right, that's it was too bad that she couldn't come.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think Lucas Morele counts as a white guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, okay, oh this guy, I'm going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing. I still want to know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>What's an example of the pursuit of happiness? Because often

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<v Speaker 2>you hear two things said about that phrase. One is

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<v Speaker 2>they just mean property because right Locke says life liberty

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<v Speaker 2>product or it's just rhetoric, is really life liberty? And

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<v Speaker 2>then just this kind of rhetorical flourish, So give it

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<v Speaker 2>some content for us. So Steve said, it's virtue, the

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<v Speaker 2>pursuit of virtue.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's this is not the forum to do us

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<v Speaker 4>this justice.

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<v Speaker 3>But I, first of all do agree with Steve that

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<v Speaker 3>virtue is the thing that helps define what human happiness

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<v Speaker 3>is the found excuse me, The ancients understood that human

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<v Speaker 3>happiness would be discovered only when you understood fully what

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<v Speaker 3>the telos of human was and that human beings were,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was that, of course, was happiness. And remember,

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<v Speaker 3>in ancient I'll just kind of try to limit it somewhat.

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<v Speaker 3>In ancient Greek societies. The best regime were there was

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<v Speaker 3>that regime which had laws that allowed.

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<v Speaker 4>At least some people to reach that happiness.

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<v Speaker 3>And the laws were proscriptive, not necessarily prescriptive. They told

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<v Speaker 3>you what you were free to do, and not what

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<v Speaker 3>you were prescribed from doing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not fair.

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<v Speaker 3>But jumping ahead to the modern day, our founders who

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<v Speaker 3>have inherited all of this, but they're now in the

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<v Speaker 3>modern world. They're in the Christian world, the world changed

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<v Speaker 3>by Christianity. Anyway, what pursuit of happiness means in the

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<v Speaker 3>modern sense is not altogether different from what the ancients.

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<v Speaker 4>Believed that it was.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's pursued, shall we say, in the modern context.

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<v Speaker 3>And what that means is that you live in a

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<v Speaker 3>society that creates the conditions whereby you can pursue virtue

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<v Speaker 3>and the happy life. Now that includes in many many ways,

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<v Speaker 3>and in a kind of I guess you could say

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<v Speaker 3>crast sort of way, it includes the private property. Our

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<v Speaker 3>founding fathers under stood that in the same way that

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<v Speaker 3>Aristotle did, that you don't find happiness without the leisure

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<v Speaker 3>and the property to make it happen, because you need

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<v Speaker 3>to you need to study, you need to do these

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<v Speaker 3>other things.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not doing a good job of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm confused because I don't think it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>John, let me start with what it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that you get to be a furry or

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<v Speaker 3>a transsexual or have fourteen abortions.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I'm very serious. I'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Use it just to show, well, liberals are silly. What

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean?

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<v Speaker 4>It's very important to make that distinction.

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<v Speaker 3>It's either there is a standard by which happiness can

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<v Speaker 3>be judged and that you get to that place by,

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<v Speaker 3>as Steve put it, virtue, you get there by education,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. Or you can say that happiness is simply

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<v Speaker 3>idiosyncratic and that maybe in a world with no standards,

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<v Speaker 3>in a world with no justice and a world with

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<v Speaker 3>no understanding of good and evil, it really is, truly.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to be a furry or a mass

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<v Speaker 3>murderer or whatever, if that's your version of happiness, then

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<v Speaker 3>go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to be a soul, asking you what

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<v Speaker 2>is an example of something that fits within the pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of happiness as you understand it, that.

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<v Speaker 4>The opportunity to live a good and decent life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the pursuit of happiness, the idea, the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>provide yourself with the means of subsistence, sufficient material wealth

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Not struggling of virtues. I mean, I could see absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>something about living a good life involving virtue, because you'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to define what you mean by good life, and

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<v Speaker 2>you could define it as having being a virtuous person.

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<v Speaker 2>But doesn't seem to me that collecting the material needs

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<v Speaker 2>for life is itself a virtue. That doesn't strike me

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<v Speaker 2>as particularly virtuous. That's just Steve, go ahead, Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>we had both me and Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, I'm agreeing with Lucretia. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>shaking my head solely at you, John, because your state

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<v Speaker 1>of confusion is well, your state of confusion is a

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<v Speaker 1>natural state.

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<v Speaker 2>Confusion is being caused by the things you guys say.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll say this, if you understood the point we

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<v Speaker 1>were making, you would also understand and agree with natural laws.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these problems you have are actually linked intimately.

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<v Speaker 1>I will give you an example of you want one.

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<v Speaker 1>My example is Winston Churchill. He was a very happy man.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because he understood the at the root of all,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the principle of teleology, that there is an

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<v Speaker 1>intelligible end of human I won't say perfection. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's too theoretical. But the point is there's an approximation

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<v Speaker 1>of human excellence, and the closer you draw to that,

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<v Speaker 1>the happier person you are going to be. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not simply whatever floats your boat. It is it is

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<v Speaker 1>in accordance with human nature and the affections of human nature.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's very much what the founders believe. And today,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't say these kinds of things because

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<v Speaker 1>you just can't write. It gets in the way of

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<v Speaker 1>someone's willfulness. So you know, pure wilfulness is categorically excluded

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<v Speaker 1>from that understanding of happiness. And so that that's some

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<v Speaker 1>of thosetinctions. And I can see you're still baffled and

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<v Speaker 1>wishing you were.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. No, I'm not the I'm not denying. Churchill

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the happy fellow. Yeah, what was it other than

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<v Speaker 2>the hed every morning for breakfast that made him so

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<v Speaker 2>happy that for breakfast? What is it involved that involves virtue?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, by the way, you know, he read Aristotle's ethics

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<v Speaker 1>sort of later in life, he read a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the classics as a young man on his own. He said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew all that already. I mean, I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>that's literally true. And towards the end of his life

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<v Speaker 1>he was asked, well, he gave several answers to some

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<v Speaker 1>very particular questions, like what year of you life would

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<v Speaker 1>you want to live over again? He was like eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, oh, nineteen forty the most stressful year of

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<v Speaker 1>his life, and that's the year he would live over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he had it. But actually I wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to let any of it over again. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>might make new or different mistakes. I might make different ones,

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<v Speaker 1>I might not have made the ones I did. But

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<v Speaker 1>this life has been great. But living at once is enough.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a happy man.

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<v Speaker 3>And his unhappiness is unhappiness to the extent that he

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<v Speaker 3>was unhappy, which I do think he was in the

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<v Speaker 3>wilderness times, especially right you know, when when Hitler had

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<v Speaker 3>risen to power, and you know, all of England was

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<v Speaker 3>in appeasement mode and all of that. He was unhappy

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<v Speaker 3>because he he had enough understanding of human things and

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<v Speaker 3>human nature and natural law John to know that England

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<v Speaker 3>and perhaps the whole world was in grave, grave danger,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was doing everything, ultimately everything he possibly could

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<v Speaker 3>in his straightened conditions to try and make changes, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was unable to do so for so long because

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<v Speaker 3>he was outcast and so on.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why he was.

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<v Speaker 2>I will make two points as we draw this to

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<v Speaker 2>a close, because we have to go to another commercial break.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, yeah, but we have some of our last episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some good comments on this very point respond

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<v Speaker 1>to So.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Steve is always giving us a hard time

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<v Speaker 2>about staying on schedule and doing the breaks, and then

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, Steve, you've been constantly running roughshot.

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<v Speaker 1>So not now I have the virtue of shutting you down.

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<v Speaker 2>I will. We'll take an ad break here and we

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<v Speaker 2>will come back after hearing the virtues of eating the

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<v Speaker 2>McDonald's hamburger with a big guy coke, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>does involve the pursuit of happiness. And then when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back, we will finish up with this topic and

843
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<v Speaker 2>go to our apple on bees. And I have two

844
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<v Speaker 2>more questions, so coming back, okay, So coming back now,

845
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<v Speaker 2>I had one point to make in response to what

846
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you have said, and I think some of the reader comments,

847
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 2>which again I don't care what the readers say because

848
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I do it for the art. I do it for

849
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the art. John, I've never denied that I'm a slob.

850
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I am a snob, and I am a slob, but

851
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I am a snob and at least but I'm proud

852
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 2>of it instead of trying to hide it like you guys.

853
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<v Speaker 1>Figured out No, no, that's a record scratch. Yeah, you

854
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 1>could be confused, right, I'll have to work on that one.

855
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>So my, my, my, just my point was going I

856
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.920
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say, is it actually doesn't seem to me

857
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 2>that virtue and happiness are necessarily correlated. In fact, they

858
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 2>could be quite at odds. I could see a virtuous

859
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>person being very unhappy, and you could think of a

860
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 2>very happy person having little virtue. So the example I

861
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>have in mine is Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln, I think

862
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 2>is one of the most virtuous Americans, virtuous leaders we've

863
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 2>ever had. I think it was really unhappy because he

864
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.400
<v Speaker 2>had to fight a war that killed six hundred thousand Americans,

865
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.400
<v Speaker 2>he lost his son, and he had I mean, he

866
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>just was I don't blame him for being unhappy, but

867
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 2>I found him quite amazingly virtuous. And I think there's

868
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 2>probably lots of happy people in the United States. I

869
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>hope they're happy who don't really think about virtue very

870
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>much or try to achieve it. They're just leading ordinary,

871
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 2>regular lives, but they're very happy in them. So Stevie

872
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to I think you actually have a link between

873
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>that and the reader comments and a response.

874
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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I mean, so Lucretia mentioned, you know, Churchill

875
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 1>in the thirties when he was at lowest ebb and

876
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 1>that's the decade when he's especially associated what he called

877
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>his black dog, his depression. Now that and his drinking

878
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that you alluded to John, both of those things are

879
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>much overestimated. And I don't know why Churchill played him

880
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>up as much as he did, but I mean, you

881
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 1>get readily in the details are talked to Andrew Roberts,

882
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.280
<v Speaker 1>both of those things were overstated. I think Lucretia that

883
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>although he was well, first of all, it's hard to

884
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>be happy in the sort of superficial sense when everybody

885
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 1>around he was an idiot and when you know better.

886
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:31.079
<v Speaker 1>And I actually think in this case, right this goes

887
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 1>back to your point about Lincoln is Yeah, but a

888
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 1>lot of sadness is life, and a lot of burden

889
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of the awfulness of the war. But you know, this

890
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>is a person who knew he was right, that he

891
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 1>had better command of things than others. And there's an

892
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>intrinsic quality to that that does connect to virtue. And

893
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 1>by the way, that if we say the ordinary, let's say,

894
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the middle class American who maybe only has a high

895
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>school education, but as a good job and a family,

896
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 1>those people are leading virtuous lives. They didn't have to

897
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>think about it, they don't have to study aristotles ethics.

898
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.719
<v Speaker 1>But how did they sort of absorb that virtue of America? Well,

899
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.039
<v Speaker 1>because we used to teach it, Reagan said in his

900
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 1>famous farewell address. And you know nowadays that is harder

901
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and harder for people to absorb because so much of

902
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.119
<v Speaker 1>our culture is against it. So we can go on

903
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a long time about this John because.

904
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<v Speaker 4>He is hopeless.

905
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 2>But the rest of the country.

906
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 4>What you what you refuse to understand is the.

907
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Refuse to understand may sound like I don't want to understand,

908
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.079
<v Speaker 2>when it's I take it back, I don't mean to

909
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 2>your failure to explain, but go ahead.

910
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 3>So okay, But but one of the things that you

911
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 3>don't acknowledge. I'll put it like that is the tragedy

912
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 3>of human life and the tragedy of human affairs. And

913
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 3>the Churchill example explains that. The Lincoln example explains that

914
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.440
<v Speaker 3>even more. And if he had been the kind of

915
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 3>person who didn't understand that greatness is often accompanied with

916
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.880
<v Speaker 3>those kind of unspeakable tragedies, whether they're you know, personal

917
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 3>or you know, the responsibility for literally hundreds of thousands

918
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 3>of people. He understood that perfectly well. And of course

919
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a sobering and even often depressing

920
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 3>sort of reality. But human affairs are in fact tragic,

921
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.960
<v Speaker 3>and what you have to do, and part of virtue

922
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 3>is understanding the tragedy of human life, understanding how much

923
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 3>good you can do in any situation, and how much

924
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 3>evil you can avoid, and whether or not you are

925
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 3>the person who can actually affect that good or prevent

926
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 3>that evil. Those things are the highest sort of human aspirations.

927
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 3>That's really the definition of the highest human virtue. Can

928
00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 3>you be that person who leads numerous persons to a

929
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 3>better place and prevents the least amount of evil in

930
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 3>doing so, especially in the in the tragedy rolling of

931
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 3>human affairs.

932
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:12.920
<v Speaker 2>That really does not sound like the pursuit of happiness

933
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to me. I'm sorry. So let's come to one last

934
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>tidbit that Steve wanted to discuss before we left for

935
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the night. And he wanted to talk about the closing

936
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:37.360
<v Speaker 2>of a website called The Liberal Patriot. And well, it

937
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.039
<v Speaker 2>may not go noticed by very many in the media universe.

938
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Steve thinks it has much greater significance than people appreciate.

939
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think I think Lucretia is also fond

940
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of this site, and she may or may not be

941
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic about why. I think it's deeply important. So look,

942
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 1>it's this little, yeah, little substance, I say little. It's

943
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>very popular and a big following. The Liberal Patriots, started

944
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.440
<v Speaker 1>by John Halpin used to be at the Center for

945
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>American Progress and Rui Tsera also used to be at

946
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the Center for American Progress. They are I would say,

947
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.679
<v Speaker 1>old reform liberals, kind of people you trace back to,

948
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 1>say Arthurs Lessinger or Adlie Stevenson or even Hubert Humphrey.

949
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>They say they're progressives, but I think small p progressives

950
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>in a common sense sort of way. But they I

951
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 1>know Ruy left the Center for American Progress several years

952
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 1>ago because he couldn't stand it anymore. And and there

953
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the point is the Liberal patriot was by the way,

954
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 1>just think of the name they're for Patriotism. That marks

955
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.679
<v Speaker 1>them out right away as an outlier on the left.

956
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Second most of their postings and they post our friend

957
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Henry Olsen, who's no you know, he's a conservative. They

958
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 1>are very critical of what progressives have done to the

959
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party. And what I'm thinking is this is a

960
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>milestone of and by the way, I should just say that,

961
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, they said, gosh, we've been trying this and

962
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>all we get is a lot of blowback from people

963
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:04.000
<v Speaker 1>on the left, and you know, no one's supporting us financially,

964
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:08.239
<v Speaker 1>which I'm kind of surprised to hear that. But the

965
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.239
<v Speaker 1>point is is that this is another marker that the

966
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.760
<v Speaker 1>old reform liberal tradition, which we would argue with the

967
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.679
<v Speaker 1>particulars all day long, is now dead. And I think

968
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 1>about you know, Lionel Trilling's famous book in nineteen fifty

969
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 1>was saying, liberals, you know, we're really watching things. We

970
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 1>need to think more seriously about our cliches. And you

971
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 1>had the New Republic magazine in the eighties and nineties

972
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>when Marty Parrotts owned it, which was very self critical,

973
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 1>and you had so many people who worked there who

974
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.880
<v Speaker 1>ended up moving to the right, like Charles Crowdthammer. Partisan

975
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Review Magazine began as a Stalinist magazine in the thirties,

976
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>broke with Stalin and it folded around two thousand and six.

977
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 1>But by that time most of their you know, people

978
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>who founded who were still alive, had either moved to

979
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>center right or all the way to the right, like

980
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:00.119
<v Speaker 1>William Barrett forgotten names now, Philip rov Delmore Schwart. It

981
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Speaker 1>was a literary magazine, but very much critical of wrote

982
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>ideological leftism, and often very interesting reading. Daniel Bell published

983
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.599
<v Speaker 1>there a lot. For example, John, you know we've talked

984
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>about before, and you know, the New Republic has gone.

985
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 1>The Democratic Leadership Council, that was, you know, an effort

986
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 1>to resist the worst excesses of progressivism. It has not,

987
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and that you know, they really elected Bill Clinton to

988
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of extent right. And this little thing was

989
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 1>just a journalistic enterprise, always worth reading. Lucreatia would tell me, gosh,

990
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I like this article, right, and I thought, well, we're

991
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 1>making some right, and it's just you know, and this

992
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>just came out of the blue here Friday morning. Yeah,

993
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Patriot is signing off and we're you know,

994
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 1>giving it up. And I thought, that's really unfortunate. I

995
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 1>hope those two guys will steep keep writing and talking

996
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think they're great, and I'm sorry to see

997
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:54.239
<v Speaker 1>this news.

998
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:55.039
<v Speaker 4>And my guess.

999
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.480
<v Speaker 3>I was a little snobbish to Steve when he wrote

1000
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.400
<v Speaker 3>back and say maybe they'll get here or there, and

1001
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 3>maybe that we could get them here. I said, it

1002
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 3>seems to me that it's actually the money issue that's

1003
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:09.559
<v Speaker 3>the most important. And that was that was that was

1004
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.199
<v Speaker 3>probably the wrong attitude for me to take, because these

1005
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:13.360
<v Speaker 3>guys are probably not.

1006
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Professors or you know, administrators or whatever. We are, all

1007
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 4>the three of us. I'll have jobs that pay us.

1008
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.119
<v Speaker 3>And if you're making your money from uh, you know,

1009
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 3>just from this substack thing and not enough money is

1010
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 3>coming in, then and then I do apologize for, you know,

1011
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:35.599
<v Speaker 3>we giving them mercenary motivation.

1012
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.079
<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of money to be made in substack. You

1013
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 2>can buy special effects, you can, but but.

1014
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I am not inclined to be a lot of people

1015
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:48.320
<v Speaker 3>like me would who read them are maybe not always

1016
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 3>thrilled with what they write, not not so much to

1017
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 3>read to share or Henry of course, or a few others,

1018
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 3>but some of them are pretty far to the left,

1019
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:59.199
<v Speaker 3>and I would think twice about giving my money to them,

1020
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 3>or you know, I just think twice about giving my

1021
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 3>money to anybody, because everybody's asking for it.

1022
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't read it all anyway, so.

1023
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, that's probably so they're in this weird place

1024
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 3>where they're not going to get conservative money, and they're

1025
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 3>definitely not going to get leftist money, because they really

1026
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 3>are the best voice out there with the Democrats, ultimate

1027
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.199
<v Speaker 3>good in mind, giving them advice about what they need

1028
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 3>to do. That's what they're I mean, they were the

1029
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:32.880
<v Speaker 3>ones who started, even before Steve did, sort of undercutting

1030
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 3>this nonsense that came out of Democrats about affordability, right,

1031
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.239
<v Speaker 3>remember that, Steve, I mean that, you know, and of

1032
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.639
<v Speaker 3>course bringing on Henry and his brilliant analysis of so

1033
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 3>many things. It's what But I think Steve's point is

1034
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:53.599
<v Speaker 3>that the fact that there cannot be a center left critic,

1035
00:57:54.599 --> 00:58:01.440
<v Speaker 3>set of critics or critical opinion pieces about the left

1036
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.639
<v Speaker 3>about the Democratic Party. Here's what you need to do

1037
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 3>here's where you need to be thinking. Maybe this nonsense

1038
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 3>about always you know, taking the farthest crazy pro trans

1039
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 3>position or that you know they would they would come

1040
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:18.159
<v Speaker 3>out and say this is why you shouldn't do that.

1041
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.920
<v Speaker 3>And that voice is going to be gone. And we

1042
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:26.400
<v Speaker 3>talk about the polarization of our politics. I think the

1043
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.199
<v Speaker 3>loss of the liberal patriots.

1044
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 4>Going to make it worse.

1045
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I bet I can really do.

1046
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't think there's another voice like that.

1047
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 1>I can just imagine the hate mail they got and

1048
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>that probably outnumbered their you know, fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that, and that's going to be depressing, absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 2>not really, but maybe very virtuous in the pursuit of.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not really, I mean, you should know, think of

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<v Speaker 1>a better way to end.

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<v Speaker 2>Our bark? Would me thinking you guys were a well

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<v Speaker 2>chosen witnesses.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got some Babylon b Just remember this one, John,

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<v Speaker 3>forty Knights and Acts forty nine states in act legislation

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<v Speaker 3>banning immigrants from California.

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<v Speaker 1>That includes you.

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<v Speaker 2>John, I'm already I already got out.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is another one you'll appreciate based on your

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<v Speaker 3>comment earlier. SA agent keeps skills sharp by groping mannequin

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<v Speaker 3>at home.

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<v Speaker 4>Took you a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Trump rags oil never worth this much

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<v Speaker 3>under Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not quite right, but never mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Olympics bans all balls from women's sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Say to the audience that I did, you know, want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the IOC ruling, but we just ran

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<v Speaker 2>out of time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh that's right, I forgot. We didn't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Randomized negotiating with Trump as all its leaders are dead.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's not even quite funny. But guy who

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<v Speaker 3>if you followed this little bit of news, guy who

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<v Speaker 3>pushed over Reacher's motorcycle announced his plan to shoot John

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<v Speaker 3>Wicks doll.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did not know what that. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I know the shows, but I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to Well.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to but yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll have to

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<v Speaker 3>look it up. You'll have to look it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Soldiers. I liked this one, even though I don't. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll get it. Soldiers issued crocs so Trump can say

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't put troops on the boots.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Last wait, wait, another massive fraud ring exposed at DC

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<v Speaker 3>old folks home and it's the Capitol Building.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, always drink your whiskey meat, buy more books,

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<v Speaker 2>and Steve, have you figured out a closing that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>involve strange guttural noises coming out of this new soundboard

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<v Speaker 2>that you've bought.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. It took me a while to figure this

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<v Speaker 1>thing out, how to link it up with the substack

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<v Speaker 1>and all the rest of that, and hopefully this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to turn out well. So I don't I meant

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<v Speaker 1>to as part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of my creatures by wearing a forces helmet there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just say we didn't. Really, we did

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<v Speaker 1>a really botch We did a botch job. About the

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<v Speaker 1>conference this week. It's on April second in Austin. At

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<v Speaker 1>it starts at noon. There's a lunch and keynote address,

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<v Speaker 1>the keynotes from Jason Riley of The Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the two panels and the adjourned for a

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail reception at four thirty. The three of us will

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<v Speaker 1>be there. Please come if you can. We'll sign books

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<v Speaker 1>or baseball caps or whatever. And I don't. I will

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<v Speaker 1>put the low cation and all the rest of that,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can RSVP if you want to come. We'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to see you if you're in the area. So

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<v Speaker 1>Austin noon April, which is Thursday, and it's called America

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty Liberty Law and the Pursuit of Happiness, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know it will be fun. Oh, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>tape a hopefully an episode the three of us in

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<v Speaker 1>person along with Phil Munos is going to be our

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<v Speaker 1>special guest slash victim. So that's the news.

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<v Speaker 3>And tell them what we're going to be doing the

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<v Speaker 3>next week because it's actually kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, we'll do that next week, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But I want to give people, Well, the three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Hour has has arrived, and we've actually been asked

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<v Speaker 3>to do a command performance. And I'll concede to the

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<v Speaker 3>gentleman here and not tell the details about it till

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<v Speaker 3>next week.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do want to tell Ben, Ben, I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>great admirer of Churchill, but I don't drink anything he drank.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll understand. Okay, I don't know, Ben, But okay, Well

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<v Speaker 2>that brings it to a close. And thanks every much

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<v Speaker 2>for thanks everyone for joining us, and see you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>They can do them.

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<v Speaker 4>Final p I can you know, I want to know

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<v Speaker 4>where the booze are.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get him for a new week. Okay, just

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<v Speaker 1>having too much fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Bye everybody, any chancel circumstance to try.

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<v Speaker 3>To muttle through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricochet. Join the conversation.
