Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys
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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: What's happening in Cliff.
Speaker 3: Lots of stuff is happening man, Yeah, lots of Bigfoot stuff,
Speaker 3: lots of museum stuff, lots of Cliff stuff. What about you?
Speaker 2: Gosh uh, I didn't think of it. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what to say.
Speaker 3: You weren't prepared for did you know what the podcast tonight?
Speaker 2: I'm well, I've gone to the red Woods a couple
Speaker 2: of times and I got that picture from you, from
Speaker 2: the guy from Fern Kennedy upside down tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. So so for our listeners, I would
Speaker 3: send this photograph for actually a little video of a tree,
Speaker 3: you know, shoved in the ground, roots up, you know,
Speaker 3: like the ones on Prince of Wales's Island or whatever.
Speaker 3: And I sent it off to Bobo because it was
Speaker 3: in his neighborhood. What did you find out about it?
Speaker 2: I think it was really old. I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 2: saw that tree like that, like years a few years
Speaker 2: ago or more, but it's fern canyons. It's like a
Speaker 2: it's part of that whole reged National park like World Heritage.
Speaker 2: So it's beautiful. You've seen it in it's in Jurassic Park,
Speaker 2: the first one where the fact guy rolls down and
Speaker 2: from sion feldon Newman it gets eaten by the little critters. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So anyways they got it's like a vertical forty football canyon.
Speaker 2: I've seen when the trees come down. They don't slide
Speaker 2: down a hilly that's come down, They just fall and
Speaker 2: sometimes they come down head first, you know, the top
Speaker 2: of the root wad in the air, and I think
Speaker 2: that was just something natural. Then the rest of the
Speaker 2: landslide got washed away, or maybe they'll have handtraw crews
Speaker 2: like the CCC guys, like the you know the kids
Speaker 2: that are like in work camp. They'll have those guys
Speaker 2: out there and clear stuff out. So I could just
Speaker 2: see those guys. It was already partially that way. I'm going, hey,
Speaker 2: let's just dig around it a little bit and pack
Speaker 2: it in there, and you know, we clear the restless
Speaker 2: to be sitting there like that. You know, I could
Speaker 2: totally see that happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, what are your thoughts about those root ball
Speaker 3: up sort of tree things, like, do you think those
Speaker 3: are sasquatch related or otherwise?
Speaker 2: I think most aren't, but I think a few of
Speaker 2: them are.
Speaker 3: Really no, no, if they are sasquatch. And see, because
Speaker 3: I don't think any of them are, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be their curmudgeon. I'm going to be the skeptic. I'm
Speaker 3: going to be the dick, you know. So like, I
Speaker 3: don't think any of them are, because why in the
Speaker 3: world would a bigfoot expend that many calories doing such
Speaker 3: a thing intimidation?
Speaker 2: Just how big and strong they are?
Speaker 3: Possibly, yeah, okay, that's really a reasonable assumption.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 3: It doesn't convince me, but I can see how that
Speaker 3: would be a reason.
Speaker 2: And it stands out like you know, you're you'ren smell,
Speaker 2: you're marketing your church truck can wash away and the
Speaker 2: rain stuff. But the upside down trees stuck in the ground,
Speaker 2: I'm more. I think more of the ones where you
Speaker 2: see the branches the button broken off branches shut in
Speaker 2: the ground, making the x the trail with like one
Speaker 2: butt on each side of the trail. I think that squatch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's very possible as well. I've always
Speaker 3: I've very skeptical about these upside down three things because
Speaker 3: it's something you told me. Loggers do weird stuff when
Speaker 3: there's nothing going on.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's going to who would do such thing
Speaker 2: like we did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you worked on logging crews for years.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, we're Yeah. I mean it was super hot.
Speaker 2: We are laying up in the shade. We build dams
Speaker 2: and carved wooden boats, then let the dam build up
Speaker 2: for like an hour and then busted open and have
Speaker 2: a flash led down the mountain. Whose both those the
Speaker 2: first one? Like just stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 3: whether you're fifty or twenty, it doesn't really matter because
Speaker 3: you're still ten no matter what you are. So some
Speaker 3: fifty year olds have having access to excavators and tractors
Speaker 3: and front loaders and like the sky's a limit. I
Speaker 3: mean it's it's Tonka truck. These are all Tonka trucks,
Speaker 3: but life size. And then you get a bunch of
Speaker 3: boored dudes out in the woods that like, okay, no
Speaker 3: one's working until five or six or tomorrow or something.
Speaker 3: And you have these excavators at your disposal. You're gonna
Speaker 3: build some weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put big boulders up onto of stumps and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Seeing all that stuff. But you know what,
Speaker 2: this is Bigfoot beyond. We're talking the big Foot. But
Speaker 2: we got some beyond coming up today.
Speaker 3: We got I am excited. I am super excited about
Speaker 3: this one. Actually, now you don't know that, Cliff, I
Speaker 3: do know. You told me.
Speaker 2: Oh it's trying to surprise you.
Speaker 3: Oh you shouldn't have told me. Then that's a really
Speaker 3: bad way to surprise me.
Speaker 2: But it's our our good bro And go to Ghost
Speaker 2: Advisor and the seventh or eighth sexiest man in Paranormal,
Speaker 2: Nick Groff, is with us tonight.
Speaker 4: Nick, guys, I like like six to seventh or eighth
Speaker 4: or whatever be the other ones. I'm up against you, Bobo.
Speaker 2: No, I just saw this one time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, number twelve. I think number twelve. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to work my way up to the top. But
Speaker 4: I maybe.
Speaker 3: Well you are will take him out for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. Maybe my second life. Who knows
Speaker 4: you did get in.
Speaker 2: The Big Bay Suit competition. You're going to really shine
Speaker 2: on the question and answer part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm losing. I got to read the dictionary
Speaker 4: a little bit better, so my vocabulary spawns more.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: How's that for a welcome. I've probably never been welcomed
Speaker 3: like that anywhere?
Speaker 2: Have you? No?
Speaker 4: I know it's too bad you can't see me right now,
Speaker 4: but I am wearing a speedo and I'm just sitting here.
Speaker 3: You know, that's where when I think about you, that's
Speaker 3: always how I picture you.
Speaker 2: You ever addressed for this podcast?
Speaker 4: I know, Well, you're just you're natural today, Bobo, just
Speaker 4: in the wall, Commando. There you go. You know, funny
Speaker 4: funny thing is is not a lot of people know
Speaker 4: that I was a swimmer from age six years old
Speaker 4: to thirteen. So speedo was just like an ordinary thing,
Speaker 4: you know, back when I was a kid and stuff.
Speaker 4: It was no big deal in the age nineties or whatever.
Speaker 4: But we were competitive swimmers, my sister and I. So
Speaker 4: it's kind of funny to me, like if you would
Speaker 4: picture that today, just showing up at the beach or
Speaker 4: something like that, you know, well, can you imagine.
Speaker 2: The best thing I saw was? I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys remember this old band Tsol You might remember them, Cliff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, totally like yeah that if they weren't
Speaker 3: a Long Beach fan. They played in Long Beach all
Speaker 3: the time, vendors and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some of the Barns and those guys from
Speaker 2: Long Beach, but they Jack the singer's just like one
Speaker 2: of the ten craziest guys wild. This dude's all time
Speaker 2: rock and roll history. We went surfing one time in
Speaker 2: hunting to Beach in the middle of summer, and he
Speaker 2: was wearing just a pair of pink speedos and black
Speaker 2: letters across the butt said f off, but it's spelled
Speaker 2: out the F word.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 2: It's pretty classy. You got so many looks.
Speaker 3: And I bet it was about your speedo, Nick, what
Speaker 3: was your speed.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about mine. Well, I mean I was eight,
Speaker 4: so I don't really remember, No, it was. It's funny.
Speaker 4: Just used to be a competitive swimmer for a long time. Actually,
Speaker 4: my sister went to University of Arizona u of A
Speaker 4: for a full scholarship for swimming. She missed the Olympics
Speaker 4: time like half a second or something like that in backstroke,
Speaker 4: but I mean she was one of the top elite
Speaker 4: and they were breeding me the same way. I just didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: At age thirteen, I just kind of got sick of
Speaker 4: the cold water, to be honest with you. I was
Speaker 4: so sick of the cold water swimming in it. So
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to do basketball in every
Speaker 4: other sport.
Speaker 3: So if you were born in another state, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe you would have taken to it more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so if I was in like Arizona
Speaker 4: or somewhere where it's warm. But I mean I was
Speaker 4: in New Hampshire. I grew up in New England and man,
Speaker 4: it's freaking cold in the winter times or like because
Speaker 4: we would go to swim before we would start school.
Speaker 4: So we would go there at like five am, swim
Speaker 4: for two hours, go to school, come back and swim
Speaker 4: them at night too. Every single day. It was insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think that's where a lot of my craziness
Speaker 4: comes from, of being an adventurer and going into i
Speaker 4: don't know, crazy abandoned buildings or caverns or mind you.
Speaker 2: Pushing yourself, you gott toughness. Yeah. Nick's a great athlete.
Speaker 2: I mean, besides being the competitive swimer as a kid,
Speaker 2: he went to college on a full ride in Nevada
Speaker 2: for soccer, and then I've seen him movies. Great. I
Speaker 2: mean he could have played college ball, I'm sure. And
Speaker 2: we posted a couple of videos like Nick shooting half
Speaker 2: court shots through and remember that. That was incredible.
Speaker 3: Did you see that, Cliff, I did see that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was incredible.
Speaker 4: That was fun Well, it's a funny story because I
Speaker 4: got bored. It was crypticon and we moved it there
Speaker 4: in Lexington cryptocon convention, and basically I was just chilling
Speaker 4: and I got bored. So I was in jeans, I
Speaker 4: was waiting around, and I went and I found a
Speaker 4: half court indoor basketball court, and I was like, this
Speaker 4: is awesome. So I started playing ball by myself and
Speaker 4: walks Bobo and somebody else and I'm there, shirtless and jeans,
Speaker 4: just shooting around and I'm like, Bobo, film this. And
Speaker 4: I go into the arcades and I on my third
Speaker 4: try just through it through this little hole in this
Speaker 4: net that.
Speaker 2: Well, it was like a ten foot wall dividing like
Speaker 2: a room with thirty foot high ceilings, and so there's
Speaker 2: a ten foot wall then a twenty foot of net.
Speaker 2: So the balls didn't go out of the half court
Speaker 2: into the arcade. But there was a hole not much
Speaker 2: bigger than a basketball in that net and Nick threw it.
Speaker 2: Couldn't see the backboard, you couldn't see anything through it
Speaker 2: through the hole and swished it.
Speaker 4: It was amazing. Yeah, that's a good time. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I felt like we just won, you know, gold medal
Speaker 4: in the Olympics or something. Bob and I were like
Speaker 4: running around, jumping around. It was so ridiculous, it was,
Speaker 4: but it was it was fun, you know, it was Yeah.
Speaker 3: You may not know about my swimming background.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 3: Actually I wore speedos just for fun, of course, but
Speaker 3: in general I was actually a college champion.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: You know what synchronized swimming is, right, Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 3: used to do that solo.
Speaker 2: Get out of the.
Speaker 3: Sacredized swimming. It's a very very small sport, but a
Speaker 3: lot of people are into it. It's basically just me, so,
Speaker 3: I mean I whenever I participate, I take the gold
Speaker 3: every time.
Speaker 4: There you go. How do you hold yourself up out
Speaker 4: of water? You just with pride? Nice, that's amazing. It's
Speaker 4: the speedo's, man, you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's how I hold myself up.
Speaker 4: Man. The way they design those you can just like
Speaker 4: float through the air. I can totally see you doing that,
Speaker 4: just like totally Cliff ripped like the pack looking like yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm three hundred the movie and just well, well, it's.
Speaker 3: Not so much to say that I have a different
Speaker 3: kind of six pack, going, oh yeah, beer six pack,
Speaker 3: tell us a beer six And people say that I'm
Speaker 3: not in good shape, but I disagree because I think
Speaker 3: rounds are perfectly good shape.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true, man, that is true.
Speaker 2: So is ol?
Speaker 4: What is square?
Speaker 2: Then? When it's triangle, that's inverted triangles? Nick, Baby, there's.
Speaker 3: A pretty typical podcast I think for you, isn't it, Nick?
Speaker 4: That we we kick it off with speedos and syncrenized
Speaker 4: swimming and triangles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got some I got something paranormal to
Speaker 2: ask Nick before because this is serious.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: I got a really good friend. And you know him too, Cliff,
Speaker 2: he's up. He contacts you about ordering a set of
Speaker 2: cast from up in Washington, Okay, out of Seattle. His
Speaker 2: little girl, she's eighth ninth grade, has been having beats
Speaker 2: with this. There's a woman going. They lived next to
Speaker 2: a cemetery, like right, I mean there's bodies buried like
Speaker 2: forty feet in their house and uh, the oldest people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so they see the ghost woman in the in
Speaker 2: the window. And I was there one time. We were
Speaker 2: not playing in the yard and the curtain was like
Speaker 2: moving around, and I was like, I didn't see anything,
Speaker 2: but they're like, oh, yeah, that's she's watching us. You know,
Speaker 2: she looks out the window all the time. But the
Speaker 2: little girl was it was messing with her in the room.
Speaker 2: She told her away, leave her alone, and it tore
Speaker 2: like the grammar was in the room there too, and
Speaker 2: it tore down the curtains, like rip them down off
Speaker 2: the wall and through in the middle of the room
Speaker 2: and then grab her by the neck and squeeze your
Speaker 2: neck hard and sugar, that's a poulter Geist, right if
Speaker 2: it does, if it makes physical contact, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, poultergeist are like a malicious spirit. It's so hard
Speaker 4: to define things these days, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think I'm at a different perspective in life right now,
Speaker 4: where I'm looking at stuff outside the box, where we
Speaker 4: want to try so hard to put categorizes like that's
Speaker 4: a Poulter guys, that's a voice or whatever. We want
Speaker 4: to put stuff into a box but I mean poultry
Speaker 4: guys supposedly is more malicious and more of stuff that
Speaker 4: moves things, throws things, stuff like that. I mean, if
Speaker 4: that actually really did happen, I mean, did you witness
Speaker 4: this or was this just what grammar?
Speaker 2: Was there and my buddy was downstairs, run down, scream
Speaker 2: and cry, Yeah, hysterical and they heard they heard the
Speaker 2: curtains get down.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, like, look if this, if this really happened,
Speaker 4: that that's what the experience was. You know, obviously there's
Speaker 4: entities where they can physically grab you or or cause
Speaker 4: harm or something like that. It's any I believe more
Speaker 4: in energy. So I think that some sort of energy
Speaker 4: probably affected her, and maybe obviously a triggering effect of
Speaker 4: like ripping the curtains down or something like that and
Speaker 4: causing that. It can be somebody that's grumpy too, you know,
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of bad people in this world.
Speaker 4: So a lot of bad people die and that energy
Speaker 4: lingers behind. So it's the subconscious of that energy possibly
Speaker 4: lashing out at her. It could be some grumpy old
Speaker 4: man that's just mad. Maybe not necessarily like how we
Speaker 4: perceive things where it's like, oh it's a demon or
Speaker 4: oh it's this polter guy said, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean typically.
Speaker 2: Just by the neck and scared the crap out of her. Right.
Speaker 4: I'm curious why though, Like why would.
Speaker 2: She's a fiery little kid. I mean, she's just huge personality,
Speaker 2: like very brave, like, I mean, she lives. She lives,
Speaker 2: you know, she's lived since she's a little kid. And
Speaker 2: she's not really a she's not any of it's not
Speaker 2: she wasn't afraid of it. Now she's freaked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 3: and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, I think now is a good time for
Speaker 3: those people who are listening, you know, in the more
Speaker 3: or less Bigfoot crowd who may not know who Nick is,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, maybe this is a good time
Speaker 3: to kind of tell everybody about that, because we've jumped
Speaker 3: into this ghost thing all of a sudden. Well, like Nick.
Speaker 3: Nick is a very well known paranormal investigator. I mean
Speaker 3: most people know him from Ghost Adventures, you know, or
Speaker 3: a Paranormal Lockdown or Ghost Stalkers or one of the
Speaker 3: TV shows. He has a production company. He's on all
Speaker 3: sorts of TV shows. He's got a new project Walkers
Speaker 3: out there. So this episode will mostly be about ghosts
Speaker 3: and weird stuff. You know, we'll probably touch on the
Speaker 3: Bigfoot thing because that's what we do. But this is
Speaker 3: really a beyond of Bigfoot and beyond. And Nick is
Speaker 3: no slouch. He's legitimate, he's anti hoaxing. And if I
Speaker 3: think just the stuff that you were just now saying
Speaker 3: is really interesting because you said several times more than once,
Speaker 3: you said, if this is real, if it really did happen.
Speaker 3: And I love that perspective because our ghosts reel I think. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, enough weird stuff happens to enough weird like
Speaker 3: not weird people that we can say it's something is
Speaker 3: going on. But what that is I don't I personally
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe you certainly have more insight into it
Speaker 3: than I do, and that's one of the fun things
Speaker 3: about having you on. So I just want to let
Speaker 3: kind of a small introduction for the bigfoot centric crowd
Speaker 3: that we tend to get. That's who we're talking to.
Speaker 3: Nick is a parent. I don't even know what to
Speaker 3: call you.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 3: Nick, you know, I'm happy to call you a friend,
Speaker 3: but like to the fact that you're I guess a
Speaker 3: paranormal list. I like your approach already, just because you
Speaker 3: basically reference something about basically putting words on things, like
Speaker 3: defining things like the paranormal whatever that is. It has
Speaker 3: to be such a large field that it would be
Speaker 3: very difficult to define or put words on any of
Speaker 3: the phenomenon associated exactly. Yeah, and I think that's a
Speaker 3: really interesting take and a really good tact to come
Speaker 3: at this thing from. So thank you very much for that.
Speaker 4: Nick, Yeah, no, thank you. I really appreciate, you know, obviously,
Speaker 4: the introduction and stuff and the support and everything. And
Speaker 4: you guys are great people. Knowing you guys for a while,
Speaker 4: and yeah, there's no bs. I love conversations about everything paranormal,
Speaker 4: from CRYPTI to UFO to ghost whatever the topic is
Speaker 4: that is unexplainable that we can't comprehend as human beings.
Speaker 4: I love talking about it. I mean, really, that's how
Speaker 4: I grew up. I actually wasn't into spirits, ghosts and
Speaker 4: all that stuff when I first kind of got interested
Speaker 4: in the subject matter. I was more heavily into space
Speaker 4: time UFOs, looking up at the stars and saying, what
Speaker 4: else is out there beyond just life us, human beings, death,
Speaker 4: beyond the scope of like what we try to categorize
Speaker 4: or we tried to put in a box. And I
Speaker 4: was I'm just such a deep thinker man, and I
Speaker 4: love conversations because I don't know everything. Like, let's face
Speaker 4: the facts, nobody does, right, We're all evolving as human beings,
Speaker 4: and we're growing, We're creating new technology, we're creating theories, ideas,
Speaker 4: we're expanding our vocabulary. We're trying to evolve further beyond
Speaker 4: the scope that we see in the infinity of trillions
Speaker 4: of stars and life form that we know of. So
Speaker 4: the idea that I look at things now is totally
Speaker 4: different than when I looked at stuff ten years ago.
Speaker 4: You know, I was that young kid on Ghost Adventures
Speaker 4: or whatever, running around saying come you get me abandon
Speaker 4: haunted locations. But my perception has changed dramatically, And I
Speaker 4: think that's just over time of going through experiences, understanding things,
Speaker 4: breaking it down in my head, but saying, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be redundant. I'm not going to
Speaker 4: keep walking in a reported haunted location of running a
Speaker 4: spare box. What good does that do? For anybody or myself.
Speaker 4: I think personally, I'm trying to I'm trying to go
Speaker 4: beyond physically and mentally, pushing the boundaries of how can
Speaker 4: we think outside the box to discover new things that
Speaker 4: we don't we haven't found yet, like a scientist diving
Speaker 4: to the bottom of the seas that we don't even
Speaker 4: know what new species are out there and discovering new things,
Speaker 4: or going into the forest that's uncharted territory discovering new
Speaker 4: species that we don't even know about, or going beyond
Speaker 4: like you know, our planets with spaceships or time travel
Speaker 4: or whatever the heck it is, through wormholes, drones, stuff
Speaker 4: like that. I mean, we'd be naive to think that
Speaker 4: we are it and this is this is all there is.
Speaker 3: But so along those lines. But the paranormal aspect in particular,
Speaker 3: do you think we're any closer to that goal now
Speaker 3: than when say Charles Fort was writing, you know, one
Speaker 3: hundred years ago, right.
Speaker 4: I think it's more of an open topic now. I
Speaker 4: think we can all get into conversations and even if
Speaker 4: you don't believe anything happens, like I have a lot
Speaker 4: of friends that are complete skeptics in the sense in
Speaker 4: the sense of thinking about death, what happens after death.
Speaker 4: I mean, some of my friends say, nothing happens when
Speaker 4: you die, and I'm just trying to be a good
Speaker 4: person in this life because when you die, you know,
Speaker 4: that's the idea of what you're leaving behind. It's the
Speaker 4: impact you left as a human being. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: well that's great. Well that's still believing something happens when
Speaker 4: you die. So it's like, you know what else is
Speaker 4: out there and forget that for a second. I think
Speaker 4: the paranormal scope of things is so weird in this
Speaker 4: world that we live in. It so vast that there's
Speaker 4: a lot of weird phenomena that occurs that we can't
Speaker 4: even explain that sometimes, like even the own intuition that
Speaker 4: we get as human beings based on like feelings of
Speaker 4: loved ones or knowing predicting something's going to happen before
Speaker 4: it happens, or just feeling connected with somebody that you
Speaker 4: absolutely love and you don't know why you feel that way,
Speaker 4: but then you talk to that person, You're like, I
Speaker 4: was just having this, Oh, now I get why I
Speaker 4: was feeling this way. Just weird, Even the simplest things
Speaker 4: like that or you guys going into the woods and
Speaker 4: seeing some weird creature is something that doesn't look of
Speaker 4: norm and then saying, wait, what was that that didn't
Speaker 4: look like a deer and an animal whatever. You know,
Speaker 4: we start describing and then we base it off of
Speaker 4: you know, everyone else's experiences to generations, and you start
Speaker 4: categorizing things because we have to. We have to feel
Speaker 4: safe and we have to feel like we know what
Speaker 4: we're experiencing and we know what this is, you know.
Speaker 4: So I think I think that ultimately it's more of
Speaker 4: a topic now, and I think I really believe just
Speaker 4: being in all subjects from UFO all the way up,
Speaker 4: I think that everything is crossing over now from one
Speaker 4: to the other. I don't think that there's a cryptid
Speaker 4: UFO in ghosts or whatever paranormal in that sense. I
Speaker 4: think it's just all one thing, meaning it's all something
Speaker 4: that we can't fully understand yet as human beings, you
Speaker 4: knowfication theory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, grand unification theory of paranormals or or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think. I think what they call paranormal now is
Speaker 2: just pre normal because we don't have the stuff to
Speaker 2: exaggerate it, so it'll just like cryptoi, zoology. Things We've
Speaker 2: been from cryptozoology to zoology fairly often.
Speaker 3: Well, Nick, what's your what's your take one? Because science
Speaker 3: is a really good, uh toolbox, right, and it can
Speaker 3: be applied to a lot of really interesting things and
Speaker 3: you can actually make some progress on it. But the
Speaker 3: things that you were mentioning, the way you feel about somebody, synchronicities,
Speaker 3: we're in paranormal science doesn't seem to apply, Like, those
Speaker 3: tools don't seem to work as well towards some of
Speaker 3: those subjects all the time. Do you think that there's
Speaker 3: another toolbox out there that might be able to be
Speaker 3: applied towards these other topics that would get us further.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's just it comes down to experiments,
Speaker 4: and I think it has to be like enclosed experiments
Speaker 4: where you're studying it for years, because it's so hard
Speaker 4: to go into like a location or go to your
Speaker 4: everyday life and have an experience and then be like, look,
Speaker 4: I can't be in bobo shoes or your shoes, Cliff,
Speaker 4: but if you told me a story about what you experience,
Speaker 4: I have to listen to you and say, Okay, I
Speaker 4: either believe you or I make up my own conclusion randomly.
Speaker 4: But that's judging you, which I think is unfair because
Speaker 4: I wasn't there. I didn't know what you went through.
Speaker 4: But I'm listening to you because I have to as
Speaker 4: a human being, and that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 4: So I think ultimately experiences with people, it just comes
Speaker 4: down to that. I think some thing's my conclusion at
Speaker 4: this point of my life, being forty years old, been
Speaker 4: through a lot of crazy stuff. I ultimately think right now,
Speaker 4: and it could change ten years from now when I'm fifty.
Speaker 4: It's just like I'm looking at life as a journey.
Speaker 4: We're all on our separate journeys through life. We have
Speaker 4: to experience everything that comes with the journey. We can't
Speaker 4: predict the future, but we can pave our own way
Speaker 4: in the quest of our journey. And we're all ultimately
Speaker 4: here for a purpose, right We're here to do something,
Speaker 4: whatever that is. It Ripple affects the universe in a
Speaker 4: weird way. So I think that the information we're gathering
Speaker 4: on our journey is subconsciously implanted in the most powerful
Speaker 4: thing in the world, the brain. So when the body dies,
Speaker 4: we produce energy. Energy is a real thing. Energy can't
Speaker 4: be destroyed when you get into the science of it,
Speaker 4: kinetic energy when we move and so on. But the
Speaker 4: consciousness is really what's fascinating in the brain. Where is
Speaker 4: the consciousness and the energy that's attached to these bones,
Speaker 4: the skin, flesh and blood that obviously that dies. This
Speaker 4: is a capsule we're living in. But where's the energy go,
Speaker 4: where's the consciousness go? Where's that lingered? Does it move on,
Speaker 4: does it transcend? Does it multiply into something? And I
Speaker 4: don't know. It's like such a weird, weird thing when
Speaker 4: you start thinking about because there's so many different theories,
Speaker 4: so many different ideas. When you talk into like people
Speaker 4: that had end experiences, near death experiences, and they died
Speaker 4: and they talk about seeing their uncle or their mother
Speaker 4: coming from you know, thousands of miles away on an
Speaker 4: airplane and what they're wearing and what's going on, and
Speaker 4: then they're floating through the air and then they're brought
Speaker 4: back in their body tell their amazing story about like
Speaker 4: life after death. You know, I've talked to multiple people
Speaker 4: like that. So I think that technology science we're getting
Speaker 4: closer to discovering new things. But that's like anything discovering
Speaker 4: how a computer works, discovering how to make a massive
Speaker 4: computer looks smaller, and then all of a sudden it's
Speaker 4: in the palm of your hand as a phone. Discovering
Speaker 4: how we can make things faster. Technology evolve, people evolve,
Speaker 4: the brain evolve. You know, how do we make ourselves
Speaker 4: look younger? How do we It's everything, it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's endless. It's just a matter of how we approach
Speaker 4: things and how badly we want something to be as is.
Speaker 4: It's just the research. I think there's probably a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff that we don't know about that has been
Speaker 4: going you know, like Area fifty one's and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: you know, all over the world that have all these experiments,
Speaker 4: all these like things that they're working on that we
Speaker 4: just don't know about yet, you know, like the ghost particle.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a massive facility I think down in
Speaker 4: Florida or Italy or somewhere, and they found the ghost
Speaker 4: particle with all those cameras set up, and for years
Speaker 4: they were document until they saw this little small speck
Speaker 4: of a particle captured on their cameras that they have
Speaker 4: set up in this massive facility. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just weird. You know, it's a weird world we
Speaker 4: live in. I think everybody has been fascinated since the
Speaker 4: time the time that we've been born or whatever. Everyone
Speaker 4: thinks about once in their life what happens when we die?
Speaker 4: Or what is the purpose of life? Or what am
Speaker 4: I doing with my life? You know, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So it's an endless conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's paranormal in general. We're not talking about any
Speaker 3: specific aspect of it, or are you.
Speaker 4: I think it's everything. I mean I used to talk specifics,
Speaker 4: but I am at the point of my life it
Speaker 4: encompasses everything, and I think I'm just looking at stuff
Speaker 4: differently now, just based on experiments and things I've gone
Speaker 4: through personally and ideas and people I've talked to that
Speaker 4: are even way more out there in IQ than I am.
Speaker 4: You know, like a lot of this stuff goes over
Speaker 4: my head. I talk to people like John Tenny or
Speaker 4: people that are like scientists when they get into physics
Speaker 4: and quantum physics and you know, all this craziness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of the stuff you're saying reminds me
Speaker 3: of Hellier. You know, Greg and Daniel this project where
Speaker 3: they go looking for you know, goblins in Kentucky and
Speaker 3: they end up finding balloons and wherever they go. You know,
Speaker 3: like it almost seems like it was a everybody's on
Speaker 3: their Grand unification theory quest where you look for one
Speaker 3: specific thing and find out that everything's connected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It is fascinating once you get into
Speaker 4: that subject. I think there has Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 4: can be a rabbit hole, but I think I think
Speaker 4: some of it has to have some clarity, you know,
Speaker 4: some understanding, like not everything is paranormal. Like let's just
Speaker 4: face the facts. You know, if we're sitting together in
Speaker 4: some abandoned building, we start hearing creeks and craziness. Obviously
Speaker 4: it's an old building, and we could probably like rule
Speaker 4: out I'd say eighty five percent of what's happening there
Speaker 4: to be natural or some cause of something environmental issue.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I've slept in so many haunted locations
Speaker 4: all over the world, you know, for very for five
Speaker 4: years straight, and then I've been to one hundreds thousands
Speaker 4: of locations that are reported to be the most horrific
Speaker 4: and scary and people being scratched and thrown and stuff
Speaker 4: being thrown. It's just like I've been to so many
Speaker 4: I think I've gotten to the point where I've seen
Speaker 4: a lot of weird stuff. I've once saw somebody that
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been there in the room with me at
Speaker 4: this old hospital, Lindavsa Hospital in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4: I turned around, I saw a woman standing there, solid figure,
Speaker 4: wearing a hospital gown. Everything our eyes connected. I obviously
Speaker 4: freaked out and jumped back because I thought it was
Speaker 4: a homeless person that broke into the location. So it
Speaker 4: took me off guard. I think over time, you start
Speaker 4: thinking a little bit deeper. When you really get into
Speaker 4: this stuff, you just it's a lot of talk about
Speaker 4: life death. You start seeing people pass away around you
Speaker 4: that are family members, loved ones, you start thinking about it.
Speaker 4: I think a little bit deeper, and all humans, I
Speaker 4: believe want hope. You know, when you get into religion,
Speaker 4: you get into the subject matter of like, whatever your
Speaker 4: ideas are or your beliefs, it doesn't really matter across
Speaker 4: the whole entire board. It's just a matter of like
Speaker 4: that hope. I hope there's something else. I hope there's
Speaker 4: something greater. I hope. You know, you just you want
Speaker 4: that hope In a sense, and it's been like that
Speaker 4: for I mean, since people have been on this planet.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bogo will be right back after these messages. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's one of the things. I think that one of
Speaker 3: the litmus tests of any phenomenon, whether it's Bigfoot or
Speaker 3: UFOs or ghosts or anything else. And you want to
Speaker 3: see how real it could be, maybe before you jump
Speaker 3: into that pool and you look at the history of
Speaker 3: the subject. You know, if the history start to nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty six, you know, and it's regional, and that's well,
Speaker 3: it's probably not real, you know. But if you can
Speaker 3: go back to any depth of time and find stories
Speaker 3: about these same things, you know, lights in the sky
Speaker 3: or spirits haunting you, or hairy people in the woods,
Speaker 3: then I think the longer and further you go back
Speaker 3: and it's still there, the more real this sort of
Speaker 3: thing is. And that's why I give a lot of
Speaker 3: credence to ghosts and UFOs and lake monsters and hairy people,
Speaker 3: you know, because all of those things go back as
Speaker 3: far back as history itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're absolutely right. If you think of anything right,
Speaker 4: any story has to start somewhere. So if we're talking
Speaker 4: about this reported haunted you know graveyard that's been around
Speaker 4: since eighteen hundreds or whatever, and you hear the stories
Speaker 4: over time, it might change a little bit, but the
Speaker 4: story had to start somewhere from somebody, so either based
Speaker 4: on experience or just based on an idea, or they
Speaker 4: just wanted to tell the story. But it youre canclusion
Speaker 4: to make up what you believe is real or not
Speaker 4: right based on your own personal experience when they realize
Speaker 4: it or exactly, Yeah, you subconsciously do that. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: totally agree. And and you know, talking about your when
Speaker 4: you're talking about ghost Cliff, if you think about it
Speaker 4: in this way, right, we're ghosts is a real thing,
Speaker 4: even though like people might say, no, ghosts don't exist.
Speaker 4: I don't believe ghosts, But think about this, think about
Speaker 4: the realism behind what a ghost defined as we are
Speaker 4: all ghosts. And the reason why we're all ghosts is
Speaker 4: because every second that we're speaking right now, we're all
Speaker 4: passing away, we're all dying. Think about it, like we're already,
Speaker 4: we're already you know, a couple of seconds in time
Speaker 4: right now from a couple of seconds ago when I
Speaker 4: just said it. So we're all passing away slowly. It's
Speaker 4: just a matter of like what you envision it be.
Speaker 4: So we're pretty much ghosts in a sense, or fading,
Speaker 4: you know, we're fading. Yeah, And it's just the concept
Speaker 4: of like what you believe happens when we die, what
Speaker 4: you believe happens outside that we can't perceive. And if
Speaker 4: you look at like a lot of new scientists, there's
Speaker 4: I've read an article that came out about some scientists
Speaker 4: that are graphing out the brain waves and actually are
Speaker 4: graphing out thirteen different dimensions within the subconscious that we
Speaker 4: create during the day of dimensions, So like when you
Speaker 4: go to daydream when you're driving in your car, you're
Speaker 4: waking up and you see the reality you were in.
Speaker 4: Now you see the two D world. But if you think, oh,
Speaker 4: this is happening, you start creating this alter world that's
Speaker 4: happening in your brain. That's one dimension. Supposedly we create
Speaker 4: thirteen dimensions, and they're actually able to graph out what
Speaker 4: your brain is mapping out in each one of those dimensions,
Speaker 4: which is kind of trippy. It's like, are we have
Speaker 4: a matrix? You know, I don't know man, it's like
Speaker 4: this world is so weird, weird that we live in,
Speaker 4: and I'm just I'm always thinking of, you know, what
Speaker 4: else is there? I don't know. I think that's the
Speaker 4: way to push the boundaries, to think a little bit
Speaker 4: deeper and just keep keep evolving, because I don't think
Speaker 4: there's one right way than another.
Speaker 2: You know, well, there is. We just don't know what
Speaker 2: it is yet.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and I don't think I don't know if we'll
Speaker 4: ever know. I think the point of life is to
Speaker 4: live life and not forget that you're alive, and to
Speaker 4: be happy too, you know. I think sometimes we get
Speaker 4: to be too serious and we forget to we forget
Speaker 4: to laugh and have fun and enjoy life. You know,
Speaker 4: we get caught up in all the drama or the
Speaker 4: day activities or whatever the heck's going on in the
Speaker 4: worldly problems. But I think that the purpose of life
Speaker 4: is to go through the experience, collect the information your
Speaker 4: brain and try to be a better person, and you know,
Speaker 4: ripple effect the world for a greater idea that we're
Speaker 4: supposed to be here. And then when you pass on, man,
Speaker 4: whatever happens next, take that with you, whatever that vision is,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Do you think that there are circumstances where a person
Speaker 3: might believe something to the extent that they actually created,
Speaker 3: like it manifests out of the belief itself.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, one hundred percent. So the new series that I
Speaker 4: started doing, death Walker, one of the locations that we
Speaker 4: go to I've been investigating for over a decade, actually
Speaker 4: two of them. So we take two locations in death Walker,
Speaker 4: and we compare the two locations based on a theory,
Speaker 4: and the narrative tells the story from two locations to
Speaker 4: see if there's any actual truth behind some of the
Speaker 4: things that are happening at these locations. So one location
Speaker 4: is Bobby Mackie's Music World. And while they're Kentucky, amazing location.
Speaker 4: I love, you know, the owner of Bobby Mackie, he's
Speaker 4: a great friend of mine, Matt Coates, their security guard.
Speaker 4: I've known them for over a decade and I've been
Speaker 4: going there since, you know, I was pretty much a young,
Speaker 4: young kid, and over time I realized that the environment
Speaker 4: is changing there. The sense of whatever the energy form
Speaker 4: that is there that I thought, you know, over a
Speaker 4: decade ago, was like a ghost. Then I thought it
Speaker 4: was something evil, Then I thought it was somebody that
Speaker 4: died there, and then now I think it's actually in
Speaker 4: the sense of a thought form entity basically what you're
Speaker 4: talking about, Cliff. So I know there's a lot of
Speaker 4: factual some death that occurred there outside of the place
Speaker 4: and inside, and some mystery behind who actually died there,
Speaker 4: and then there's a ton of legends attached to it
Speaker 4: that we set the facts straight. But over time I
Speaker 4: noticed that thousands of people have been coming there based
Speaker 4: on watching like TV shows and seeing what has happened there,
Speaker 4: and they're projecting their own intent into the environment, saying
Speaker 4: there's something evil here, there's something evil, Oh, scratch me,
Speaker 4: hurt me. Over time, you know what that does, It
Speaker 4: changes the environment, It changes and transforms energy from people
Speaker 4: into something else. So I believe that what happened there,
Speaker 4: just based on investigating it recently last year for earth Walker,
Speaker 4: that a thought form entity has morphed into its own,
Speaker 4: its own intelligent form and now has evolved into something else,
Speaker 4: Meaning it's collectively gathering all this energy from thousands of
Speaker 4: people and mirror imaging the intent back of what's it's
Speaker 4: picked up on. So I think there was something there
Speaker 4: on that ground before that foundation was put in, and
Speaker 4: then over time it's just turned into this like weird
Speaker 4: energy thing that just lingers there and you know, five
Speaker 4: folds whoever brings their intent in and pushes it back
Speaker 4: onto that person as like a mirror image of whatever
Speaker 4: they're putting out.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's the root of evil entities and whatnot,
Speaker 3: people being afraid of whatever, you know, thing might be
Speaker 3: present at a location. Or do you think that there's
Speaker 3: actually some sort of evil behind some of the you know,
Speaker 3: demons and all that stuff. My wife's in the horror,
Speaker 3: so I kind of think about these things when ghosts
Speaker 3: come up, you know, like, do you think that it's
Speaker 3: the intent that's put into it or do you think
Speaker 3: that there might be something there beforehand that might indicate
Speaker 3: whether it's benevolent or malevolent.
Speaker 4: I think it's both. I really think it's both. I
Speaker 4: think that we produce the energy and put it into
Speaker 4: the environment to hurt our own self. I've seen it
Speaker 4: with people, to be honest with you, I've seen it
Speaker 4: in group of investigations. I've seen it where everybody else
Speaker 4: is fine and one person that one person is like
Speaker 4: I'm feeling this, I'm getting scratched. Every but they're they're
Speaker 4: projecting it. But I see them too before they go
Speaker 4: into the investigation already wanting that, do you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? So it's like self afflicting, and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of psychology behind it too. It's like what state
Speaker 4: of mind you're in, who you are as a person,
Speaker 4: you know, mental health, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: psychology behind it. Man, you could break somebody down so
Speaker 4: so much into that sense, just like anything else. But
Speaker 4: I do believe that good people in this world die
Speaker 4: and bad people in this world die. So if we
Speaker 4: go to a prison together and we go into a
Speaker 4: jail cell and there was an inmate of Joe Schmoe
Speaker 4: who was a murderer and he was kept in this
Speaker 4: prison and he murdered somebody in this prison then he
Speaker 4: died in this prison cell, you're going to feel that
Speaker 4: energy energy lingers. And that's a real thing. I think,
Speaker 4: the subconscious lingers. I think the energy lingers. So I
Speaker 4: think it's like you pick up on that sense, and
Speaker 4: you pick up on like, oh, I don't I don't
Speaker 4: feel right in the shale cell. I mean, Bobo, you
Speaker 4: could probably say that and maybe Cliff and I are fine.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, it always feels like and it doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, you just don't know. I think it's it's
Speaker 4: you know, it's a double sided coin.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: It's like people inflect their own self, their own intent,
Speaker 4: and also positive to positive, negative to negative. Positive people die,
Speaker 4: negative people die, and that that energy lingers. So I
Speaker 4: think that's a factor too, and you just got to
Speaker 4: look at both sides of it, you know what. Also,
Speaker 4: I think, and this gets really trippy, I think just
Speaker 4: based on doing Death Walker recently, we did two other
Speaker 4: locations where we compare it about time slip. So getting
Speaker 4: into the idea of time, the notion of time.
Speaker 3: I was just going to ask you about time actually, honestly,
Speaker 3: because that these are echoes of you know, past events.
Speaker 3: What does that say about the nature of time itself?
Speaker 4: Exactly? Well, we create time as human beings because time
Speaker 4: doesn't really exist. We're in an earth that spins around
Speaker 4: a sun that goes up and down. But it's only
Speaker 4: because you know, the way we are situated this earth.
Speaker 4: But we need time. And the reason we need time
Speaker 4: is because we are born into this world, we grow older,
Speaker 4: we die, That's that's time. Time is always against us.
Speaker 4: And these human bodies. So we need time because we
Speaker 4: need to know when to go to sleep, when they
Speaker 4: go to work, when to take the kids to lunch,
Speaker 4: whatever it is. And it's funny when you go into
Speaker 4: a location like I did on Death Walker, and I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there in a solitary can in the bottom dungeon
Speaker 4: of a prison that's been sitting there for like eighteen
Speaker 4: eighteen whatever it is dates back to and then prior
Speaker 4: to that, it was Native American land and a lot
Speaker 4: of bloodshed. They said at this one location, Brushy Mountain
Speaker 4: Prison and Tennessee, that there was blood that would fill
Speaker 4: the whole entire ground from how many people died and
Speaker 4: what happened there and so on and so forth. It's
Speaker 4: pretty wild. And also you get into the idea of
Speaker 4: like DNA that's attached to the blood and how like
Speaker 4: even if you're miles away, the DNA can affect you, know,
Speaker 4: like you can still pick up on those emotions that
Speaker 4: you're feeling. The blood can. There's a whole science behind
Speaker 4: all that stuff. But I mean, the whole notion of
Speaker 4: time man is interesting. So I'm in solitary confinement and
Speaker 4: I have this audio device that I'm communicating with somebody.
Speaker 4: I have no clue who, but it's intelligently responding directly
Speaker 4: back to us in real time. So I'm asking questions
Speaker 4: and with this device I was created. I built this
Speaker 4: device called the GeoPort, and I'm getting responses coming through it,
Speaker 4: you know, And I'm asking about the prisoner, and I'm
Speaker 4: asking about who's here and what do you need and
Speaker 4: you know, water, and it starts giving me really good details.
Speaker 4: And I ask if he's a ghost? Did you die here?
Speaker 4: And he's like, no, you're a ghost. So he basically
Speaker 4: whoever's talking to me is saying I'm a ghost, and
Speaker 4: I'm saying he's a ghost. And what I started to
Speaker 4: realize is just based off of, like, you know, evidence
Speaker 4: on my personal experience, what I was hearing. What happens
Speaker 4: if I'm communicating with somebody from whatever time period that
Speaker 4: that person is living right now, right I'm in my
Speaker 4: reality asking these questions in an abandoned solitary confinement, you know,
Speaker 4: historical prison, and somebody is there when it's in operation,
Speaker 4: that's put in solitary confinement, and there you got to
Speaker 4: think that these people lost their minds, like they lose
Speaker 4: their sense of time, they lose their sense of and
Speaker 4: they're put in darkness, food, lack of food, water. You
Speaker 4: start to inhabit like all these other senses, your sense
Speaker 4: of hearing, your sense of like emotions, you know, everything
Speaker 4: starts to play more to the forefront. You adapt to that.
Speaker 4: And I start to think, what happens if I'm communicating
Speaker 4: with somebody who's living right now in that time period.
Speaker 3: If time's there right now exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: They're there right now and I'm here right now, and
Speaker 4: we're able to communicate because he can hear me because
Speaker 4: isn't his senses are enhightened. But I can hear him
Speaker 4: because I have this crazy technology in the future. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, how can you communicate through this? And he's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. You know what I mean. You're bending time.
Speaker 4: It's like school project where you take the piece of paper,
Speaker 4: you fold it and have put the pencil through it
Speaker 4: and boom, like the wormhole be a strip right exactly.
Speaker 3: I always thought if I was a stripper riding myself mobius.
Speaker 4: What would Bobo be Moby Dick.
Speaker 3: Depends on his speedo. I suppose stay tuned for more
Speaker 3: Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right
Speaker 3: back after these messages. So and Nick, A lot of
Speaker 3: this is a lot of the stuff you're talking about.
Speaker 3: And mind you, I'm just a big for guy. I
Speaker 3: don't know much about paranormal stuff or whatever, but a
Speaker 3: lot of the stuff you're talking about seems to be
Speaker 3: centered around well, not death necessarily, not in the sort
Speaker 3: of morbid sort of way, you know, but like the
Speaker 3: continuity I suppose, so the continuation of consciousness in some
Speaker 3: sort of way before and after this arbitrary line called death.
Speaker 3: But there's still something going on. If I remember right,
Speaker 3: I picked up somewhere along the line that you yourself
Speaker 3: had a near death experience.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah? When I was eight years old, hyperactive kid, go figure,
Speaker 4: but didn't realize that when you found me in the
Speaker 4: basketball court, Irypt, I was waiting for my sister to
Speaker 4: get out of swimming. My mom was reading a book.
Speaker 4: About one hundred yards away. I saw a tree I
Speaker 4: had a climate, who knows why, and I started climbing
Speaker 4: it and I reached out to a branch. Branch broke
Speaker 4: and under me was a cyclone fence ripped open my
Speaker 4: whole entire left arm and I hit the ground, didn't
Speaker 4: realize what happened, and I just remember getting up, not
Speaker 4: feeling my body and seeing my mom and just said Mom,
Speaker 4: I love you. And I passed out, blocked out. And
Speaker 4: what I saw next was I opened my eyes and
Speaker 4: there was all these faces hovered around me looking down
Speaker 4: at me. And what was strange is I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was just so weird where they were just looking
Speaker 4: at me and just like very bright, you know, like
Speaker 4: behind them it could have been like bright lights if
Speaker 4: I was inside and all these faces are looking at me.
Speaker 4: Then the next thing I know it I'm I'm in
Speaker 4: the ambulance and then I black out, and then I'm
Speaker 4: in the hospital. I see my sister crying on my
Speaker 4: dad and I look over and they're like, I just
Speaker 4: feel my arm being tugged on and stuff, and they're
Speaker 4: repairing my whole arm. I had like a hundred stitches
Speaker 4: and doctor said half an inch on my artery and
Speaker 4: I was bleeding out. If my mom didn't think quickly
Speaker 4: when she saw me, he said, I would have been
Speaker 4: dead right there. But her quick thinking, she like ripped
Speaker 4: off her shirt, tied my army. You know that mom
Speaker 4: instinct comes in She like, I was a big kid.
Speaker 4: I was a swimmer. So she picked me up and
Speaker 4: she claims that she brought me inside and they're scrambling
Speaker 4: to call nine one one, you know, the ambulance and stuff.
Speaker 4: And when they brought me inside, she says, there was
Speaker 4: only like two of them. There was no one huddling
Speaker 4: around me looking down. You know, it wasn't a big
Speaker 4: crowd or anything like that. It was just like two
Speaker 4: people trying to hurry up and you know, save my
Speaker 4: life and stuff. So I always think back on that
Speaker 4: years later. I didn't make anything of it. You know,
Speaker 4: I was that crazy kid that I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: was doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. So you know,
Speaker 4: like after that experience my arm heels, they got me
Speaker 4: back into swimming, which was probably the best thing in
Speaker 4: my life because it helped heal and make my arm stronger.
Speaker 4: But like a little bit later, I you know, a
Speaker 4: year later or something. Two years later, I built like
Speaker 4: a rope swing in my woods. Knocked myself out. I
Speaker 4: knocked I fell and hit my head on a rock
Speaker 4: and had to get three stitches, and you know, stupid stuff,
Speaker 4: skateboarding off my my house, shed in the back when
Speaker 4: my grandmother's it's just like you know, wild wilding out
Speaker 4: kids in the eighties or whatever, nineties, And but years later,
Speaker 4: I never made anything of that experience until I started
Speaker 4: thinking back on certain stuff because a little bit after that,
Speaker 4: you know, my mom would tell me stuff like she
Speaker 4: would catch me in my room talking to she really
Speaker 4: believed at one point I was talking to somebody in
Speaker 4: my room and I guess she would say she would
Speaker 4: come and she like cracked the door and she'd see
Speaker 4: me staring at the ceiling in the corner talking to
Speaker 4: like angels and stuff. Yeah, and I was never really
Speaker 4: like Catholic or whatever. I was raised Catholic, but I
Speaker 4: didn't I went to church by.
Speaker 3: I didn't recovering Catholic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know what I was talking about. But
Speaker 4: it's like she said I was talking. It was just
Speaker 4: so creepy because it seems surreal, and she would just
Speaker 4: catch me talking to something that I truly believe that
Speaker 4: was there that I was looking at. And so I
Speaker 4: don't know, man, Like, it's hard, right because kids have
Speaker 4: such an imagination. I know I had a crazy imagination,
Speaker 4: but I think there's some realism behind it because I
Speaker 4: remember vividly after that. About a year later, I came
Speaker 4: home early from from school. My mom came home a
Speaker 4: little bit after that, and I walked into the house
Speaker 4: and I go upstairs, and I go into the kitchen.
Speaker 4: I see the shadow figure like this man just completely
Speaker 4: all darked out shadow, just standing right there in where
Speaker 4: the sliding glass door would be to the backyard, and
Speaker 4: he was just standing there inside. And it scared me
Speaker 4: so bad. I ran outside to the basement door into
Speaker 4: my neighbor's yard. And then my mom came home like
Speaker 4: a minute later, you know, and you know, I was
Speaker 4: freaking out telling her, and I didn't know if it
Speaker 4: was a burglar or if it really happened or didn't happen.
Speaker 4: It was just surreal, and it's just experiences like that
Speaker 4: after I had my accident, you know that I thought
Speaker 4: of years later when I started doing ghost ventures and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and then paranormal Lockdown. I started getting
Speaker 4: older and thinking a little bit heavier on it, and
Speaker 4: I asked my mom, like she started telling me things
Speaker 4: like that, like you would talk to yourself in the room,
Speaker 4: this would happen, you had that happen, and it's just
Speaker 4: like it all kind of came back to me, and
Speaker 4: I started to realize maybe there maybe that did trigger something,
Speaker 4: maybe I did crossover. Maybe it opened me up skating
Speaker 4: on thin ice, you know, a little bit closer to
Speaker 4: the other side. I don't know, but I started to
Speaker 4: run into people that had NDE experiences near experiences, and
Speaker 4: they started telling me, like just weird stories about them
Speaker 4: crossing over and what they saw.
Speaker 3: And well, that's really interesting because one of my in
Speaker 3: my bigfoot pursuits, I came across that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: and and you know, I mean, Nick, I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm I think sasquatches are kind of a boring animal.
Speaker 3: You know, they're just they're well, I mean, they're they're cool.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, they're biological, and
Speaker 3: they're they're not ufo rite and shape shift in interdimensional whatevers.
Speaker 3: They're just everything they do can be more or less
Speaker 3: explained by biology, you know, so they're not really that
Speaker 3: exciting at the end of the day. But there's this
Speaker 3: whole cadre of people, you know, this whole population in
Speaker 3: those in the bigfoot community that insist that bigfoots talk
Speaker 3: to them in their brain, you know, like telepathically and
Speaker 3: and and I know several of these people, and you know,
Speaker 3: I've got nothing against them. I don't think they're right,
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's but I also don't think
Speaker 3: they're lying, is the thing. So I kind of started
Speaker 3: looking for explanations. And one of the things I came
Speaker 3: across was this near death experience sort of deal and
Speaker 3: and you know, talking to entities on the other side
Speaker 3: and all this sort of stuff, and and and and
Speaker 3: what that led me to is the Strassman studies in
Speaker 3: the nineties about d m T. Have you ever gone
Speaker 3: down that rabbit hole?
Speaker 4: I've never taken d MT, but.
Speaker 3: I've never taken either. But it's super interesting.
Speaker 4: It's always fascinating, fascinating me big time. I mean maybe
Speaker 4: one day because I'm just so interested in, like what
Speaker 4: people have experienced. There's always the idea if you've ever
Speaker 4: like looked into it or people that I've experienced it.
Speaker 4: There's these little figures, these little like what do they
Speaker 4: call them nomes, gnomes or minions or goblins or whatever
Speaker 4: the heck they are. They're working on some mechanical thing,
Speaker 4: like they're building, they're doing something, but you always run
Speaker 4: into them when you're when you're tripping on d MT.
Speaker 4: But the interesting part about dm T it's a chemical
Speaker 4: in your brain.
Speaker 3: It's hodogenous like all of us. Like if the government
Speaker 3: wanted any of us, anybody listening right now, they can
Speaker 3: come in and test your body and you'd be hauled
Speaker 3: to jail because you have an illegal amount of it
Speaker 3: in your system.
Speaker 4: Right now. I know it's wild, but it opens up
Speaker 4: your mind to something else, some other dimension. It's very
Speaker 4: interesting to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know Stratsman, the guy, the first guy
Speaker 3: in the United States that was allowed to do experiments
Speaker 3: on it after all psychedelics became illegal, and now DMT
Speaker 3: is the most powerful psychedelic drug known, you know, and
Speaker 3: it turns out that like all mammals, most plants, and
Speaker 3: all sorts of other life forms carry it. The one
Speaker 3: of the reasons he stopped doing his experiments once he was,
Speaker 3: you know, because he was allowed to do it with
Speaker 3: the FDA permission and all that stuff in the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons he stopped his experiments was because
Speaker 3: a significant percentage, like something like thirty seven or thirty
Speaker 3: nine percent of his subjects described having conversations with non
Speaker 3: human and intelligences that they were completely confident were not themselves,
Speaker 3: like they weren't talking to the the back of their brain.
Speaker 3: And then so many people who have near death experiences
Speaker 3: or so many so called Bigfoot contact ees, have similar
Speaker 3: experiences and come back with the same messages that I'm
Speaker 3: kind of convinced at this point that there's a veil
Speaker 3: between you know, what we experience as reality and what
Speaker 3: other entities might experience his reality, and those other entities
Speaker 3: are more than happy to conform with whatever your expectations
Speaker 3: are of them, whether their ghosts, whether their ancestors, whether
Speaker 3: they're bigfoots living in the woods outside their house or whatever.
Speaker 3: Oh that doesn't scare you, Okay, sure that's what I am.
Speaker 3: Let's continue our conversation now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you got to think we're a young
Speaker 4: species to a young planet. What else is out there?
Speaker 4: I just watched something where they said that what was
Speaker 4: that scientist that he discovered about four thousand I think
Speaker 4: it's about four thousand. Now other planets that revolve around
Speaker 4: similar suns like ours. So if you're saying and they
Speaker 4: think that there's trillions of them in space, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the best estimate right now is half of star
Speaker 3: systems have planets exactly.
Speaker 4: And the way that they were able to see with
Speaker 4: their telescope was when the planet like Earth, crosses in
Speaker 4: front of the sun, it creates a shadow, and that's
Speaker 4: how they were able to indicate it being you know,
Speaker 4: like a planet and having a sun and whatnot. But
Speaker 4: I mean, there's one planet within that unit. And I'm
Speaker 4: talking about separate universes, four thousand separate universes like our universe,
Speaker 4: where there is a possible planet that's just like our planet,
Speaker 4: that has a sun just like our sun. So you
Speaker 4: got to say the possibilities of no life form beyond us?
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about some like crazy older universes way
Speaker 4: far more like ancient than our universe. So what else
Speaker 4: is beyond that? Because you know, then you get into
Speaker 4: the idea of everything that has a beginning has to
Speaker 4: have an end, right like maybe because when we look
Speaker 4: into space it seems like infinity, But where's the end?
Speaker 4: Is there an end? Is this just the beginning? Or
Speaker 4: do we have to go through this life to evolve
Speaker 4: into some higher intellectual power like some do we have
Speaker 4: to go through it until we get it right? As
Speaker 4: some energy form I don't know, man, Like, all I
Speaker 4: know is I'm just trying to live a good life
Speaker 4: and trying to do what's right because I think I
Speaker 4: really don't know what's next, and all I want to
Speaker 4: do is like evolve humanity for something greater rather than
Speaker 4: being the same old ordinary, you know life.
Speaker 3: I know that whenever I'm faced with these unanswerable questions,
Speaker 3: I turn to the only place I know, which is Bobo.
Speaker 3: What do you think.
Speaker 2: I'm on the same page with you, guys, You're saying,
Speaker 2: I mean because I've had I've had that disembodied voice
Speaker 2: in my head, which I've always said, I mean, the
Speaker 2: most likely thing to me is that it's my own
Speaker 2: brain doing it, whether it's pheromones secreted by the Sasquatch
Speaker 2: or infrasound produced by the Sasquatch, or just whatever it is,
Speaker 2: or maybe it is them doing thought projection. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know what people are talking about. It's the time
Speaker 2: it told me that I've told everyone who listened to
Speaker 2: this podcast with any regularity has heard me tell a
Speaker 2: story one hundred times. But when I had that one
Speaker 2: come behind me in gral and I went to turn
Speaker 2: around take its picture, and I just got this loud
Speaker 2: voice in my head saying, if you turn around and
Speaker 2: take my picture, I'm going to f and kill you
Speaker 2: and no one's ever going to find your body.
Speaker 3: And do you think sasquat just go around drop a
Speaker 3: F bomb? So yeah, that's that's why I said that.
Speaker 2: How do you my brain interpreting like a vibe or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you drop f bombs? I wrote about bigfoots.
Speaker 2: That one did fair enough, No, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: talking about like the whole like even if God wasn't real,
Speaker 2: humans would invent it just with thought projection or do
Speaker 2: you hear stuff like that. It's interesting though, I mean
Speaker 2: it's really just in the way they're mapping the brain
Speaker 2: and how much I've been falling out a little bit,
Speaker 2: and all the imaging, like the advanced imaging and tying together,
Speaker 2: like the different sectors of the brains and what Nick
Speaker 2: was talking about before, like the different dimensions the brain
Speaker 2: can can produce or has or it's all it's all tripping.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on the role of technology and
Speaker 3: human evolution?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you look at if you look
Speaker 4: at people in general, I mean, our necks are expanding,
Speaker 4: our heads are growing, like what who's to say that
Speaker 4: what people are referring to, like the grays or like
Speaker 4: aliens that people have experienced, aren't us from the future. Right.
Speaker 4: If technology grows, we grow, we evolve space, you know,
Speaker 4: we transform into these beans, and we're coming back experimenting
Speaker 4: or trying to figure out whatever the heck we've messed
Speaker 4: up in the future. And maybe there is some sort
Speaker 4: of evil of like the continuation of all this technology
Speaker 4: revolving around human beings adapting to whatever happens in the
Speaker 4: future too. I mean, I think that's a huge possibility. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I think anything's possible. Man, It's just such
Speaker 4: a weird world we live in that we can't say
Speaker 4: one thing is is the exact you know. So, I mean,
Speaker 4: if you just look at technology in general, it's it's
Speaker 4: come so far. Look at virtual reality, look at stuff
Speaker 4: that movies were made of, you know, like total recall
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Look at what we're getting into now.
Speaker 4: I would imagine then the future to come will have
Speaker 4: bluetooth chips and planted into our brain so we can
Speaker 4: holographically see stuff or escape or go on these like
Speaker 4: virtual trips or you know, like a total recall type phase.
Speaker 4: And I think we're going to keep evolving, and I
Speaker 4: think our bodies and everything else is going to adapt.
Speaker 4: And you know, we're always trying to create this nutrition
Speaker 4: or whatever you want to call it to like stay
Speaker 4: young and you know, get bigger muscles or whatever the
Speaker 4: heck people are doing these days. You know, it's just
Speaker 4: such a weird idea because we always want to have
Speaker 4: this hierarchy of like power, feeling good about ourselves or
Speaker 4: being stronger, healthier or smarter or whatever the heck the
Speaker 4: case is. But then you know, you brought up a
Speaker 4: lot of cool things too that you were talking about
Speaker 4: if you even talk about, like, you know, going back
Speaker 4: to the paranormal for a second, the visual spectrum, right,
Speaker 4: we only see so far in the spectrum on the
Speaker 4: visual scale when you actually look at a visual scale,
Speaker 4: if you've ever gone to like the eye doctor and
Speaker 4: he shows you, like here's where you see in the
Speaker 4: spectrum of like everything that's out there, like ulter violet
Speaker 4: rays and whatnot, Like we're only seeing a certain percent.
Speaker 4: It's very small. It's like, what is it two percent
Speaker 4: four percent of the actual spectrum. You know, dogs see
Speaker 4: a little bit farther than we see obviously in that spectrum,
Speaker 4: but then so on and so forth. It's like, can
Speaker 4: you imagine what else is in the realm of what
Speaker 4: we're living and how we perceive things? What else is
Speaker 4: around us? We don't see the oxygen we're breathing, right,
Speaker 4: We don't see the billions of neutrinos that pass through
Speaker 4: our body every second, Like all the neutrinos and stuff
Speaker 4: passing through us, Like, we don't see that stuff.
Speaker 3: So it kind of brings up the idea that the
Speaker 3: brain was invented to perceive things, when I kind of
Speaker 3: think the opposite, the brain was actually invented to filter
Speaker 3: things out so we aren't overwhelmed.
Speaker 4: But what happens if we're all an experiment for something
Speaker 4: else to figure out how to take the consciousness or
Speaker 4: the idea of the consciousness, right, the information that we're collecting,
Speaker 4: Take all that information that we've gathered and take that
Speaker 4: and then woof transplant that information into another body so
Speaker 4: that can keep living and then voof that body dies
Speaker 4: that can keep leaving and keep going through that process.
Speaker 4: Maybe like we're just an experiment, like these ants on
Speaker 4: the ground that we want to step on.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking from experience. I'm confident that I am just
Speaker 3: an experiment. Yeah, I can think's.
Speaker 4: Wrong all the time too, I do too. I'm with
Speaker 4: you on that one. Yeah, I mean it could be
Speaker 4: wrong in all this stuff. Who knows.
Speaker 3: It's just fun to think about, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: we have a brain. We might as well use it
Speaker 3: and then kind of push the boundaries and see what, Hey,
Speaker 3: what are we capable of thinking about instead of just
Speaker 3: thinking about the things that you know are easy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. The norm is no norm anymore. I think
Speaker 4: like stuff that is out of the norm is more
Speaker 4: healthy these days. I think we tried so hard, you know,
Speaker 4: like if you look at anything over the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 4: we tried so hard. Put on the suit, go to work,
Speaker 4: come home, what's for dinner, go to sleep, wake up,
Speaker 4: do it again. I think now we're just like all
Speaker 4: I don't know, free floating craziness ideas. But there's a
Speaker 4: lot of chaos in the world. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: it's crazy and oar. I don't know, it's just a
Speaker 4: crazy world right now that people are losing their minds.
Speaker 4: But I think it's a lot of obviously reasons behind it.
Speaker 4: But the universe has a weird way of playing things out.
Speaker 4: If you look at the history of time, there's always
Speaker 4: these epidemics, you know, every one hundred years or whatever,
Speaker 4: there's this crazy outburst of something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm just happy we're not living in the plague era
Speaker 4: when Black Death walked the earth. Remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't remember, but thankfully no, I don't
Speaker 3: like bbonic plague. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine living in that era? They were just
Speaker 4: taking people, like if Bobo was confidents on them, like
Speaker 4: burn them, he has it, you know, they would burn people.
Speaker 3: Oh, and having no idea what's causing it either, because
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, you mentioned earlier how we're a
Speaker 3: primitive species. We didn't know about germs one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: I want to ask Nick a couple of ghost things
Speaker 2: before we split. Okay, what's you're feeling about exorcisms?
Speaker 4: They're fascinating, right, because I think it goes back to
Speaker 4: what we were talking about earlier. A part of me thinks
Speaker 4: that people with a you know, depression, oppression, it goes
Speaker 4: through the phases of that and then fall heavily into that.
Speaker 4: I usually typically like a real exorcism. My understand going
Speaker 4: through the Vatican and all that stuff, it's a huge
Speaker 4: process to even claim that it's something of some extraterrestrial
Speaker 4: like some demonic presence or something that has overtaken someone's body.
Speaker 4: I think that's the one thing that actually, through my
Speaker 4: whole entire career, has scared me. Something that can overtake,
Speaker 4: something of a negative energy, negative entity, that can overtake
Speaker 4: your own body and your own psyche like, I think
Speaker 4: that scares me a little bit. You know. I used
Speaker 4: to laugh at like movies like the Exorcists when I
Speaker 4: was a kid. I used to love them, like I'm
Speaker 4: a horror fanatic. I used to love all the horror
Speaker 4: movies and I rented all the Exiorcist movies. But then,
Speaker 4: like a little bit later in my life, I had
Speaker 4: like this weird moment where I felt like this negative
Speaker 4: energy moved through me. I kind of blacked out for
Speaker 4: a second, and I don't know what happened, but I
Speaker 4: heard was the voice in my head saying kill him,
Speaker 4: kill him, kill him, and it obviously it wasn't me,
Speaker 4: and I shook it off and then I felt so
Speaker 4: drained after. But I'm like, man if something can overtake
Speaker 4: or try to overpower your own you know, your will
Speaker 4: or your body or your your brain or whatever when
Speaker 4: you're vulnerable, Like exorcisms, I think hit a little bit
Speaker 4: deeper with me because I've studied a little bit on it.
Speaker 4: Like what was that one extorcism Emily Rose, Like the
Speaker 4: real story of that, hearing the tape recordings of the
Speaker 4: priest when he's there with the girl and hearing her
Speaker 4: voice change, and you know, her dying in the process
Speaker 4: of him, you know, trying to exercise that whatever was
Speaker 4: overtaking her or whatever was happening with that, and him
Speaker 4: being in jail for it. I don't know, man, it's
Speaker 4: a scary thought. I know there's been thousands of cases worldwide.
Speaker 4: I've talked to some pretty credible people that have experienced
Speaker 4: and seen it firsthand, and I've talked to some people
Speaker 4: that I think are full of shit, to be honest
Speaker 4: with you. So it's like, I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people do stuff for five minutes of fame and TV
Speaker 4: or whatever, and I think there's some real serious stuff
Speaker 4: that the one two percent of humanity has experienced something
Speaker 4: far more sinister than we can comprehend, that possibly when
Speaker 4: somebody's in a vulnerable state, maybe there's something that can
Speaker 4: overtake you know, that willpower. But I've never personally experienced
Speaker 4: the exorcism been there, But I've talked to some good
Speaker 4: people that have What.
Speaker 3: Actually scares you? You mentioned exorcism scares you. What else
Speaker 3: out there that maybe you've had a brush with, or
Speaker 3: maybe something that you want to avoid. What actually scares you?
Speaker 3: Because it doesn't seem like you're the kind of guy
Speaker 3: that's scared of the dark.
Speaker 4: No, I mean it takes a lot to scare me.
Speaker 4: I mean I was living in the most haunted places
Speaker 4: in the world for five years, and I would live
Speaker 4: there for three days seventy two hours, and I would
Speaker 4: sleep in like, Okay, here's a prison. Five people were
Speaker 4: murdered in here. Okay, Nick, have a good night, and
Speaker 4: I would just sleep there by myself. It's a weird feeling.
Speaker 4: It really f's with your head. I won't lie, man,
Speaker 4: Like the psychology behind it is just crazy. You feel
Speaker 4: super vulnerable. There's not a lot that scares me, because
Speaker 4: you have to come to terms with yourself. What are
Speaker 4: you going to do?
Speaker 2: Run?
Speaker 4: I used to joke around and say, what's the worst
Speaker 4: that can happen, but there's a lot of bad things
Speaker 4: that can happen.
Speaker 3: They killed on camera, but you got a great.
Speaker 4: Show, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you describerman style just you set up cameras
Speaker 3: or is there a guy in there with you?
Speaker 4: No, it was for paranormal Lockdown. I'd have a cameraman
Speaker 4: follow myself and the co host Katrina around and then
Speaker 4: he would leave and it would just be us too.
Speaker 4: So then she would go way on some part of
Speaker 4: the building where you know, like something crazy happened, and
Speaker 4: I would sleep by myself in someplace it was just us,
Speaker 4: and I would wake up dragging my own camera around
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. So yeah, there's been a lot
Speaker 4: of weird moments. I don't know, it's just like a weird,
Speaker 4: a weird feeling when you're isolated, your vulnerable. It doesn't
Speaker 4: take a lot that scares me. I slept in a
Speaker 4: morgue the whole night. That was weird, like yeah, yea.
Speaker 4: And the drawer is in an old historical It was
Speaker 4: new Sham Park Hospital in England, really like massive castle
Speaker 4: looking place, creepy, and they would they had their own
Speaker 4: embombing in a crematory building right next to the big building.
Speaker 4: It was like an orphanage and just creepy history. So
Speaker 4: I slept in one of the morgue slabs by myself
Speaker 4: in the building. It was just so weird, man, it
Speaker 4: was so uncomfortable, and during disgusting, I swear I felt
Speaker 4: like like life it was disintegrating off me after every
Speaker 4: single location, Like my skin was just like falling off
Speaker 4: my body. But I think the one thing that scares
Speaker 4: me that I've come to terms with is negative energy.
Speaker 4: Negative energy that can overtake your own willpower or psyche
Speaker 4: or body mind, body spirit, you and know all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I think that kind of makes me nervous when you
Speaker 4: start feeling it at locations. You know, when you're vulnerable,
Speaker 4: like going to sleep and you're so tired that you
Speaker 4: can't function anymore. And if something kind of gets into
Speaker 4: your brain or into your like subconscious or whatever, and
Speaker 4: like suddenly you're not yourself anymore, like you're feeling like
Speaker 4: that dark cloud or just bad, you know. I think
Speaker 4: that's a little scary.
Speaker 3: Nick has been great having you on the show. I
Speaker 3: mean a lot of people know who you are, and
Speaker 3: then a lot of people know who obviously we are too,
Speaker 3: but our two worlds collide, and I think that's the point.
Speaker 3: I think that's really neat that we're all in our
Speaker 3: different weird things and we can come together and talk
Speaker 3: about the weird stuff, because you know, Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 3: Half the title is beyond then we don't get into
Speaker 3: that enough, and you're just the guy that talked to
Speaker 3: you about that weird stuff. So thank you so much
Speaker 3: for coming on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: It was fun. It was a deep conversation I'm realizing,
Speaker 4: but I enjoyed it. It was a great time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd like to think that we're not your average podcast.
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah, there's nothing norm these days about anything,
Speaker 4: so it's perfect.
Speaker 2: Right. So where's the best place for people to look
Speaker 2: you up? Nick?
Speaker 4: Social media? Yeah, I'm just my name, Nick Roth. Make
Speaker 4: sure it's the blue check mark or has more people following,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of fake accounts out there I'm noticing.
Speaker 2: And you're also Nick Roff, the musician I know online. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been working on a new album coming out
Speaker 4: hopefully this year. Kind of got halted because of everything
Speaker 4: that's going on. But working with my good friend Macinian
Speaker 4: producing it, and a really amazing music artists, and we
Speaker 4: just got a lot of big things coming out. Working
Speaker 4: on a lot of stuff, you know. Me, it's never
Speaker 4: not one thing.
Speaker 2: That's great with that.
Speaker 3: Nick, I'd like to thank you for coming on Bigfoot
Speaker 3: and Beyond. I mean, you are a beacon of the
Speaker 3: weird and a high profile paranormalists in general, and it's
Speaker 3: always good to have that kind of thing on the show.
Speaker 3: You know, we sometimes get a little bit too serious
Speaker 3: with the Bigfoot thing and we ignore all the other
Speaker 3: weird stuff that's out there. And there's so much weirdness
Speaker 3: in the world, like I say, there almost every episode.
Speaker 3: The world is not only weirder than you think, it's
Speaker 3: actually weirder than you can think. And it's fun to
Speaker 3: have people on to talk about just whatever comes up.
Speaker 3: So thank you very much for participating in Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, guys. It was such a great conversation,
Speaker 4: really deep thinking and I really enjoyed it. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great talking to you, Nick, and we still
Speaker 2: and folks who listen to that if you're into the
Speaker 2: paranormal and big which I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: are Cliff I and Nick have been talking about doing
Speaker 2: a combo Bigfoot ghost Adventure tour expedition, like you know,
Speaker 2: somewhere like Timberline Lodge and Mount Hood, you know where
Speaker 2: there's bigfoots outside and ghosts inside. We want to do
Speaker 2: something like that here coming up.
Speaker 4: Let's do it, love to that'd be amazing. It's cool
Speaker 4: to bring the two forces. This guy. You never know
Speaker 4: what's going to happen. Maybe Uf always come down, take
Speaker 4: us all.
Speaker 2: I'd be great. Well cool and Nick, good luck with
Speaker 2: your adventures and when we watch them for your new
Speaker 2: project coming out.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys, all right, take care, good.
Speaker 3: Bye, all right, good call Bobs. I'm so glad you
Speaker 3: gave Nick a call to invite him on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's always so busy. He's hard to nail down,
Speaker 2: but he's generous, you know, to make some time for us. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the nicest guys in paranormal land, I think is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've known him for a few years because
Speaker 3: you know, we do gigs together essentially, you know, Crypti
Speaker 3: con or any any variety of gigs and appearances. But
Speaker 3: since this year, there have been no appearances because of COVID.
Speaker 3: It's just nice to reconnect, you know, occasionally with friends
Speaker 3: that we don't get to see because we're not on
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, let's keep it going clip. I mean,
Speaker 2: we just had a great guest and hopeful we get
Speaker 2: some more coming up here soon for the folks listening
Speaker 2: at home, and we appreciate you guys listening. Until next time,
Speaker 2: keep it Squatchy.
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