WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.240 are your favorites, so like to subscribe and raid it. 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:20.480 Live stock s and me just go on yesterday. 4 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.879 Listening, oh watching, always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:32.159 What's happening in Cliff. 7 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.159 Lots of stuff is happening man, Yeah, lots of Bigfoot stuff, 8 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.359 lots of museum stuff, lots of Cliff stuff. What about you? 9 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.159 Gosh uh, I didn't think of it. I don't even 10 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:44.000 know what to say. 11 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:46.799 You weren't prepared for did you know what the podcast tonight? 12 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.520 I'm well, I've gone to the red Woods a couple 13 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.039 of times and I got that picture from you, from 14 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.439 the guy from Fern Kennedy upside down tree. 15 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:56.920 Yeah yeah yeah. So so for our listeners, I would 16 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.880 send this photograph for actually a little video of a tree, 17 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.359 you know, shoved in the ground, roots up, you know, 18 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:04.280 like the ones on Prince of Wales's Island or whatever. 19 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:05.719 And I sent it off to Bobo because it was 20 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.840 in his neighborhood. What did you find out about it? 21 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:09.879 I think it was really old. I'm pretty sure I 22 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.519 saw that tree like that, like years a few years 23 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:17.599 ago or more, but it's fern canyons. It's like a 24 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.400 it's part of that whole reged National park like World Heritage. 25 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.319 So it's beautiful. You've seen it in it's in Jurassic Park, 26 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.920 the first one where the fact guy rolls down and 27 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:32.959 from sion feldon Newman it gets eaten by the little critters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 28 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.200 So anyways they got it's like a vertical forty football canyon. 29 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.040 I've seen when the trees come down. They don't slide 30 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:40.480 down a hilly that's come down, They just fall and 31 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.920 sometimes they come down head first, you know, the top 32 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.879 of the root wad in the air, and I think 33 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.599 that was just something natural. Then the rest of the 34 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.079 landslide got washed away, or maybe they'll have handtraw crews 35 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.840 like the CCC guys, like the you know the kids 36 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.239 that are like in work camp. They'll have those guys 37 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:57.879 out there and clear stuff out. So I could just 38 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.480 see those guys. It was already partially that way. I'm going, hey, 39 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:02.760 let's just dig around it a little bit and pack 40 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.159 it in there, and you know, we clear the restless 41 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:06.799 to be sitting there like that. You know, I could 42 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:07.959 totally see that happening. 43 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:10.919 Yeah, Now, what are your thoughts about those root ball 44 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.039 up sort of tree things, like, do you think those 45 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.800 are sasquatch related or otherwise? 46 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:19.280 I think most aren't, but I think a few of 47 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:19.759 them are. 48 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.800 Really no, no, if they are sasquatch. And see, because 49 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.159 I don't think any of them are, I'm going to 50 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:26.000 be their curmudgeon. I'm going to be the skeptic. I'm 51 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.199 going to be the dick, you know. So like, I 52 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:32.800 don't think any of them are, because why in the 53 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:37.080 world would a bigfoot expend that many calories doing such 54 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.080 a thing intimidation? 55 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:40.319 Just how big and strong they are? 56 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.560 Possibly, yeah, okay, that's really a reasonable assumption. 57 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:43.960 You're not. 58 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.360 It doesn't convince me, but I can see how that 59 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:47.599 would be a reason. 60 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.280 And it stands out like you know, you're you'ren smell, 61 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:51.919 you're marketing your church truck can wash away and the 62 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.280 rain stuff. But the upside down trees stuck in the ground, 63 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:55.879 I'm more. I think more of the ones where you 64 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.879 see the branches the button broken off branches shut in 65 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.120 the ground, making the x the trail with like one 66 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.080 butt on each side of the trail. I think that squatch. 67 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.800 Yeah, I think that's very possible as well. I've always 68 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:11.840 I've very skeptical about these upside down three things because 69 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.919 it's something you told me. Loggers do weird stuff when 70 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:15.840 there's nothing going on. 71 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.719 Oh dude, that's going to who would do such thing 72 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:19.319 like we did? 73 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.360 Yeah, because you worked on logging crews for years. 74 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:26.199 Right, Yeah, yeah, we're Yeah. I mean it was super hot. 75 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.400 We are laying up in the shade. We build dams 76 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.319 and carved wooden boats, then let the dam build up 77 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.280 for like an hour and then busted open and have 78 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.159 a flash led down the mountain. Whose both those the 79 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.879 first one? Like just stuff like that. 80 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.280 Yeah, because at the end of the day, I mean, 81 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:44.400 whether you're fifty or twenty, it doesn't really matter because 82 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.319 you're still ten no matter what you are. So some 83 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.280 fifty year olds have having access to excavators and tractors 84 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.479 and front loaders and like the sky's a limit. I 85 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.240 mean it's it's Tonka truck. These are all Tonka trucks, 86 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.000 but life size. And then you get a bunch of 87 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.520 boored dudes out in the woods that like, okay, no 88 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.680 one's working until five or six or tomorrow or something. 89 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:09.120 And you have these excavators at your disposal. You're gonna 90 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.199 build some weird stuff. 91 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.879 Yeah, put big boulders up onto of stumps and stuff 92 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.279 like that. Seeing all that stuff. But you know what, 93 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.199 this is Bigfoot beyond. We're talking the big Foot. But 94 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:20.720 we got some beyond coming up today. 95 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.800 We got I am excited. I am super excited about 96 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.360 this one. Actually, now you don't know that, Cliff, I 97 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:27.399 do know. You told me. 98 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:29.800 Oh it's trying to surprise you. 99 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:31.680 Oh you shouldn't have told me. Then that's a really 100 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:32.680 bad way to surprise me. 101 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.480 But it's our our good bro And go to Ghost 102 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:41.439 Advisor and the seventh or eighth sexiest man in Paranormal, 103 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:42.959 Nick Groff, is with us tonight. 104 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:48.800 Nick, guys, I like like six to seventh or eighth 105 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:53.240 or whatever be the other ones. I'm up against you, Bobo. 106 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.199 No, I just saw this one time. 107 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:01.160 Oh yeah, number twelve. I think number twelve. Yeah, I'm 108 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:02.879 trying to work my way up to the top. But 109 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.279 I maybe. 110 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.319 Well you are will take him out for you. 111 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.920 Yeah, there you go. Maybe my second life. Who knows 112 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:11.079 you did get in. 113 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.240 The Big Bay Suit competition. You're going to really shine 114 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:14.759 on the question and answer part. 115 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.120 Yeah, exactly. 116 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:16.600 I know. 117 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.079 That's why I'm losing. I got to read the dictionary 118 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.720 a little bit better, so my vocabulary spawns more. 119 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:24.199 So. 120 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.560 How's that for a welcome. I've probably never been welcomed 121 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:27.279 like that anywhere? 122 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:27.759 Have you? No? 123 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.480 I know it's too bad you can't see me right now, 124 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.800 but I am wearing a speedo and I'm just sitting here. 125 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.759 You know, that's where when I think about you, that's 126 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:37.959 always how I picture you. 127 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:39.519 You ever addressed for this podcast? 128 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:43.000 I know, Well, you're just you're natural today, Bobo, just 129 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.800 in the wall, Commando. There you go. You know, funny 130 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:48.680 funny thing is is not a lot of people know 131 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.839 that I was a swimmer from age six years old 132 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.160 to thirteen. So speedo was just like an ordinary thing, 133 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.639 you know, back when I was a kid and stuff. 134 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:00.920 It was no big deal in the age nineties or whatever. 135 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:05.399 But we were competitive swimmers, my sister and I. So 136 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.759 it's kind of funny to me, like if you would 137 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.040 picture that today, just showing up at the beach or 138 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:15.199 something like that, you know, well, can you imagine. 139 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:16.319 The best thing I saw was? I don't know if 140 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.639 you guys remember this old band Tsol You might remember them, Cliff. 141 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.720 Oh yeah, yeah, totally like yeah that if they weren't 142 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.319 a Long Beach fan. They played in Long Beach all 143 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:24.600 the time, vendors and everything. 144 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.480 Yeah, there's some of the Barns and those guys from 145 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.360 Long Beach, but they Jack the singer's just like one 146 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.000 of the ten craziest guys wild. This dude's all time 147 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.519 rock and roll history. We went surfing one time in 148 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:36.879 hunting to Beach in the middle of summer, and he 149 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.920 was wearing just a pair of pink speedos and black 150 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.399 letters across the butt said f off, but it's spelled 151 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:42.399 out the F word. 152 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:43.759 Nice. 153 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.839 It's pretty classy. You got so many looks. 154 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.279 And I bet it was about your speedo, Nick, what 155 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:51.000 was your speed. 156 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:53.600 Let's talk about mine. Well, I mean I was eight, 157 00:06:54.639 --> 00:07:01.319 so I don't really remember, No, it was. It's funny. 158 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:06.240 Just used to be a competitive swimmer for a long time. Actually, 159 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:11.600 my sister went to University of Arizona u of A 160 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:16.399 for a full scholarship for swimming. She missed the Olympics 161 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.839 time like half a second or something like that in backstroke, 162 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:21.920 but I mean she was one of the top elite 163 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.879 and they were breeding me the same way. I just didn't. 164 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:26.480 I don't know. 165 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.439 At age thirteen, I just kind of got sick of 166 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.319 the cold water, to be honest with you. I was 167 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.040 so sick of the cold water swimming in it. So 168 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.759 I was like, I want to do basketball in every 169 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:36.279 other sport. 170 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:39.040 So if you were born in another state, you know, 171 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:40.480 maybe you would have taken to it more. 172 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:42.879 Yeah, I think so if I was in like Arizona 173 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.560 or somewhere where it's warm. But I mean I was 174 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.800 in New Hampshire. I grew up in New England and man, 175 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.519 it's freaking cold in the winter times or like because 176 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.519 we would go to swim before we would start school. 177 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.199 So we would go there at like five am, swim 178 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.000 for two hours, go to school, come back and swim 179 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.480 them at night too. Every single day. It was insane. 180 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:03.959 Yeah. 181 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.519 So I think that's where a lot of my craziness 182 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.800 comes from, of being an adventurer and going into i 183 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.279 don't know, crazy abandoned buildings or caverns or mind you. 184 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:17.439 Pushing yourself, you gott toughness. Yeah. Nick's a great athlete. 185 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.720 I mean, besides being the competitive swimer as a kid, 186 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:21.680 he went to college on a full ride in Nevada 187 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.360 for soccer, and then I've seen him movies. Great. I 188 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.240 mean he could have played college ball, I'm sure. And 189 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.480 we posted a couple of videos like Nick shooting half 190 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:34.519 court shots through and remember that. That was incredible. 191 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:36.960 Did you see that, Cliff, I did see that. Yeah, 192 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:37.919 it was incredible. 193 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.679 That was fun Well, it's a funny story because I 194 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:45.039 got bored. It was crypticon and we moved it there 195 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:50.200 in Lexington cryptocon convention, and basically I was just chilling 196 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.399 and I got bored. So I was in jeans, I 197 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.519 was waiting around, and I went and I found a 198 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.279 half court indoor basketball court, and I was like, this 199 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.840 is awesome. So I started playing ball by myself and 200 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.720 walks Bobo and somebody else and I'm there, shirtless and jeans, 201 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.279 just shooting around and I'm like, Bobo, film this. And 202 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:10.799 I go into the arcades and I on my third 203 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.159 try just through it through this little hole in this 204 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:14.679 net that. 205 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:16.840 Well, it was like a ten foot wall dividing like 206 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:19.399 a room with thirty foot high ceilings, and so there's 207 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:21.480 a ten foot wall then a twenty foot of net. 208 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.279 So the balls didn't go out of the half court 209 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:25.879 into the arcade. But there was a hole not much 210 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:28.440 bigger than a basketball in that net and Nick threw it. 211 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.919 Couldn't see the backboard, you couldn't see anything through it 212 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.320 through the hole and swished it. 213 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.440 It was amazing. Yeah, that's a good time. I don't know, 214 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.200 I felt like we just won, you know, gold medal 215 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.000 in the Olympics or something. Bob and I were like 216 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.840 running around, jumping around. It was so ridiculous, it was, 217 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:49.559 but it was it was fun, you know, it was Yeah. 218 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.320 You may not know about my swimming background. 219 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:51.600 Nick. 220 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.759 Actually I wore speedos just for fun, of course, but 221 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.840 in general I was actually a college champion. 222 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:58.240 You know. 223 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.159 You know what synchronized swimming is, right, Yes, yeah, I 224 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:02.480 used to do that solo. 225 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:03.399 Get out of the. 226 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.759 Sacredized swimming. It's a very very small sport, but a 227 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.759 lot of people are into it. It's basically just me, so, 228 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.279 I mean I whenever I participate, I take the gold 229 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:15.879 every time. 230 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.879 There you go. How do you hold yourself up out 231 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:25.120 of water? You just with pride? Nice, that's amazing. It's 232 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.519 the speedo's, man, you. 233 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:29.480 Know, that's how I hold myself up. 234 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.080 Man. The way they design those you can just like 235 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.399 float through the air. I can totally see you doing that, 236 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.080 just like totally Cliff ripped like the pack looking like yeah, 237 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.759 I'm three hundred the movie and just well, well, it's. 238 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.159 Not so much to say that I have a different 239 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.080 kind of six pack, going, oh yeah, beer six pack, 240 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.960 tell us a beer six And people say that I'm 241 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.720 not in good shape, but I disagree because I think 242 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.039 rounds are perfectly good shape. 243 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.960 Yeah that's true, man, that is true. 244 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:56.919 So is ol? 245 00:10:58.879 --> 00:10:59.600 What is square? 246 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:05.320 Then? When it's triangle, that's inverted triangles? Nick, Baby, there's. 247 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.399 A pretty typical podcast I think for you, isn't it, Nick? 248 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:12.279 That we we kick it off with speedos and syncrenized 249 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.159 swimming and triangles. 250 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.919 Yeah, so I got some I got something paranormal to 251 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.960 ask Nick before because this is serious. 252 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:19.639 Okay. 253 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.080 I got a really good friend. And you know him too, Cliff, 254 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.200 he's up. He contacts you about ordering a set of 255 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:30.720 cast from up in Washington, Okay, out of Seattle. His 256 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.799 little girl, she's eighth ninth grade, has been having beats 257 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:36.600 with this. There's a woman going. They lived next to 258 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.840 a cemetery, like right, I mean there's bodies buried like 259 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:43.360 forty feet in their house and uh, the oldest people. Yeah, 260 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.360 And so they see the ghost woman in the in 261 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:47.639 the window. And I was there one time. We were 262 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.480 not playing in the yard and the curtain was like 263 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.200 moving around, and I was like, I didn't see anything, 264 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.039 but they're like, oh, yeah, that's she's watching us. You know, 265 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:57.360 she looks out the window all the time. But the 266 00:11:57.399 --> 00:11:59.320 little girl was it was messing with her in the room. 267 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:01.399 She told her away, leave her alone, and it tore 268 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.200 like the grammar was in the room there too, and 269 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.240 it tore down the curtains, like rip them down off 270 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:07.519 the wall and through in the middle of the room 271 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:09.799 and then grab her by the neck and squeeze your 272 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.559 neck hard and sugar, that's a poulter Geist, right if 273 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.000 it does, if it makes physical contact, I. 274 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:19.480 Mean, poultergeist are like a malicious spirit. It's so hard 275 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:21.919 to define things these days, you know what I mean. 276 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.799 I think I'm at a different perspective in life right now, 277 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.080 where I'm looking at stuff outside the box, where we 278 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:32.360 want to try so hard to put categorizes like that's 279 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.519 a Poulter guys, that's a voice or whatever. We want 280 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.840 to put stuff into a box but I mean poultry 281 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.840 guys supposedly is more malicious and more of stuff that 282 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:46.720 moves things, throws things, stuff like that. I mean, if 283 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.919 that actually really did happen, I mean, did you witness 284 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.919 this or was this just what grammar? 285 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:56.200 Was there and my buddy was downstairs, run down, scream 286 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.440 and cry, Yeah, hysterical and they heard they heard the 287 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:00.559 curtains get down. 288 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.480 Okay, I mean, like, look if this, if this really happened, 289 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.440 that that's what the experience was. You know, obviously there's 290 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:15.720 entities where they can physically grab you or or cause 291 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.840 harm or something like that. It's any I believe more 292 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.879 in energy. So I think that some sort of energy 293 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.960 probably affected her, and maybe obviously a triggering effect of 294 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.159 like ripping the curtains down or something like that and 295 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.799 causing that. It can be somebody that's grumpy too, you know, 296 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.679 like there's a lot of bad people in this world. 297 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:36.919 So a lot of bad people die and that energy 298 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.039 lingers behind. So it's the subconscious of that energy possibly 299 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.360 lashing out at her. It could be some grumpy old 300 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.919 man that's just mad. Maybe not necessarily like how we 301 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.879 perceive things where it's like, oh it's a demon or 302 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:54.440 oh it's this polter guy said, you know what I mean. Yeah, 303 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.039 I mean typically. 304 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.919 Just by the neck and scared the crap out of her. Right. 305 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.519 I'm curious why though, Like why would. 306 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.279 She's a fiery little kid. I mean, she's just huge personality, 307 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.919 like very brave, like, I mean, she lives. She lives, 308 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:12.759 you know, she's lived since she's a little kid. And 309 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.320 she's not really a she's not any of it's not 310 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.440 she wasn't afraid of it. Now she's freaked out. 311 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:23.120 Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff 312 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:31.879 and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Well, 313 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:33.840 you know, I think now is a good time for 314 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:36.440 those people who are listening, you know, in the more 315 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.399 or less Bigfoot crowd who may not know who Nick is, 316 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.440 you know, I mean, maybe this is a good time 317 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.480 to kind of tell everybody about that, because we've jumped 318 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:46.759 into this ghost thing all of a sudden. Well, like Nick. 319 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.200 Nick is a very well known paranormal investigator. I mean 320 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.759 most people know him from Ghost Adventures, you know, or 321 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.200 a Paranormal Lockdown or Ghost Stalkers or one of the 322 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.799 TV shows. He has a production company. He's on all 323 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:00.600 sorts of TV shows. He's got a new project Walkers 324 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:04.240 out there. So this episode will mostly be about ghosts 325 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.679 and weird stuff. You know, we'll probably touch on the 326 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.360 Bigfoot thing because that's what we do. But this is 327 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.159 really a beyond of Bigfoot and beyond. And Nick is 328 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:17.440 no slouch. He's legitimate, he's anti hoaxing. And if I 329 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.519 think just the stuff that you were just now saying 330 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.759 is really interesting because you said several times more than once, 331 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.360 you said, if this is real, if it really did happen. 332 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.960 And I love that perspective because our ghosts reel I think. So, 333 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.039 I mean, enough weird stuff happens to enough weird like 334 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.480 not weird people that we can say it's something is 335 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:39.960 going on. But what that is I don't I personally 336 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.080 don't know. Maybe you certainly have more insight into it 337 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.000 than I do, and that's one of the fun things 338 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.559 about having you on. So I just want to let 339 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.879 kind of a small introduction for the bigfoot centric crowd 340 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.440 that we tend to get. That's who we're talking to. 341 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:56.720 Nick is a parent. I don't even know what to 342 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:57.159 call you. 343 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:57.879 I would. 344 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.840 Nick, you know, I'm happy to call you a friend, 345 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.039 but like to the fact that you're I guess a 346 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:09.480 paranormal list. I like your approach already, just because you 347 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:14.440 basically reference something about basically putting words on things, like 348 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:20.120 defining things like the paranormal whatever that is. It has 349 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.759 to be such a large field that it would be 350 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.080 very difficult to define or put words on any of 351 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.960 the phenomenon associated exactly. Yeah, and I think that's a 352 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.840 really interesting take and a really good tact to come 353 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.080 at this thing from. So thank you very much for that. 354 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.639 Nick, Yeah, no, thank you. I really appreciate, you know, obviously, 355 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.720 the introduction and stuff and the support and everything. And 356 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.639 you guys are great people. Knowing you guys for a while, 357 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:50.440 and yeah, there's no bs. I love conversations about everything paranormal, 358 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.240 from CRYPTI to UFO to ghost whatever the topic is 359 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:58.039 that is unexplainable that we can't comprehend as human beings. 360 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:00.879 I love talking about it. I mean, really, that's how 361 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.919 I grew up. I actually wasn't into spirits, ghosts and 362 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.599 all that stuff when I first kind of got interested 363 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.279 in the subject matter. I was more heavily into space 364 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.440 time UFOs, looking up at the stars and saying, what 365 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.599 else is out there beyond just life us, human beings, death, 366 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.759 beyond the scope of like what we try to categorize 367 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.720 or we tried to put in a box. And I 368 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.039 was I'm just such a deep thinker man, and I 369 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:29.240 love conversations because I don't know everything. Like, let's face 370 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.200 the facts, nobody does, right, We're all evolving as human beings, 371 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:39.119 and we're growing, We're creating new technology, we're creating theories, ideas, 372 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:44.440 we're expanding our vocabulary. We're trying to evolve further beyond 373 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.960 the scope that we see in the infinity of trillions 374 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:49.799 of stars and life form that we know of. So 375 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.279 the idea that I look at things now is totally 376 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.920 different than when I looked at stuff ten years ago. 377 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.359 You know, I was that young kid on Ghost Adventures 378 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:00.960 or whatever, running around saying come you get me abandon 379 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.880 haunted locations. But my perception has changed dramatically, And I 380 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:09.720 think that's just over time of going through experiences, understanding things, 381 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.559 breaking it down in my head, but saying, you know what, 382 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:15.319 I'm not going to be redundant. I'm not going to 383 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.480 keep walking in a reported haunted location of running a 384 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.440 spare box. What good does that do? For anybody or myself. 385 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.880 I think personally, I'm trying to I'm trying to go 386 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.480 beyond physically and mentally, pushing the boundaries of how can 387 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.160 we think outside the box to discover new things that 388 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.279 we don't we haven't found yet, like a scientist diving 389 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.839 to the bottom of the seas that we don't even 390 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.359 know what new species are out there and discovering new things, 391 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:46.319 or going into the forest that's uncharted territory discovering new 392 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.440 species that we don't even know about, or going beyond 393 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.640 like you know, our planets with spaceships or time travel 394 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.279 or whatever the heck it is, through wormholes, drones, stuff 395 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.359 like that. I mean, we'd be naive to think that 396 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:00.720 we are it and this is this is all there is. 397 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.200 But so along those lines. But the paranormal aspect in particular, 398 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.839 do you think we're any closer to that goal now 399 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.799 than when say Charles Fort was writing, you know, one 400 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:13.079 hundred years ago, right. 401 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:15.480