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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left

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off with a Johanna Schoberg deposition. So let's just dive

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right back in and pick up where we left off, Menager.

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And then when you got into Manhattan, how did it

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come to be that you were doing some sight seeing? Answer? Well,

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they knew that I had never been, so I believe

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Jeffrey asked the driver and Emmy just to drive me

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around to see the Empire State Building. That's all I remember.

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It was late, it was dark. It wasn't long, maybe

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thirty minutes. Manager. When you got back to the house,

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what happened? Answer? I walked in the front door, and

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Golaine stuck her head over the grand staircase and asked

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me to come upstairs into the living room. Menager. And

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can you describe the living room? Answer? Oh, it was

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very large and very formal. And Jeffrey and to her

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and Virginia and Prince Andrew were there, Menager. And what

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were they all doing when you came in? Answer? Just socializing.

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I don't remember them doing it activity. It was just

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being together, Menager. Was anyone unclothed. Answer no, Menager. Was

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this the same room where Jeffrey had a desk? Answer

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it could have been, but I can't remember. Menager. Did

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you go to New York more than one time? Answer yes, Menager.

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How many times did you go to New York? Answer

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two times? Menager. This was the only time that you

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met Prince Andrew in New York though? Answer yes, Menager.

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When you came upstairs, where was Virginia sitting? Answer I

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don't remember, Menager. Do you remember what she was wearing?

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Answer no, Menager, she was already there when you got

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back from sight seeing. Answer yes, Menager. Tell me what

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happened with the caricature. Answer Golen asked me to come

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to a closet. She just said, come with me. We

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went to a closet and grabbed the puppet and the

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puppet of Prince Andrew. And I knew it was Prince

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Andrew because I had recognized him as a person. I

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didn't know who he was, and so when I saw

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the tag that said Prince Andrew, then it clicked. I'm like,

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that's who it is. And we went down back down

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to the living room and she brought it in. It

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was just funny because he thought it was funny because

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it was of him. Menager, tell me how it came

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to be that there was a picture taken McAuley objection, Shoberg.

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I just remember someone suggesting a photo, and they told

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us to get on the couch, and so Andrew and

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Virginia sat on the couch, and they put the puppet,

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the puppet on her lap, and so then I sat

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on Andrew's lap, and I believe on my own volition,

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and they took the puppet's hands and put it on

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Virginia's breast, and so Andrew put his on mine. Menager,

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and this was done in a joking manner. McCauley objection Shoburg, Yes, Menager.

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Do you recall a photo being taken of that event?

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Answer yes, Menager, you've never seen that photo. Answer no, Menager,

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you don't know whose camera it was. Answer no, Menager,

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Virginia was sitting on a couch next to Andrew, not

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in a big leather armchair. Answer maybe, I'm just trying

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to remember how I remember it. Manager, to the best

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of your recollection, you went and sat on Andrew's lap

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correct answer yes, Manager on his knee. Answer yes, Menager,

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and Virginia was not sitting on his knee. Correct answer.

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I don't recall. I just remember I was. She might

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have been on his other knee like Sanna. I don't remember. Manager.

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After that, do you remember any other pieces of that

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social engagement? Answer? No, manager. Do you know where you

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went Schoberg? From there? I went to bed? Manager? Were

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people drinking? Answer? No manager. Did you hear Glenn Maxwell

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told Virginia to do anything while you were in that room? Answer?

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No manager. Do you recall what happened the next day

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in New York? Answer bits? I mean that was the

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day I went to Victoria's secret. I went and walked

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around by myself, and I went to a souvenir shop

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and got a mug or something. That's all I recall. Menager,

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Did you go anywhere with Virginia? Answer? Oh my gosh, yes,

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we went to Phantom of the Opera? Manager. Who else went? Answer?

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I think it was just she and I. I forgot

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about that. Thank you for that memory, menager, it's my job.

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Anything else you remember about that day in New York? Answer? No, manager.

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You said you had given a massage to Jeffrey while

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they were on their trip, or was it a subsequent trip.

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Answer that trip, Menager? And how did that come to be? Answer?

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Either he or somebody asked me to go and do it.

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Someone showed me to the room, but I don't remember

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who it was. Menager. Can you describe that room? Answer? Yes.

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It was a high ceiling, dark red walls or dark

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blue walls or dark blue carpeting or something. It had

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a massage table set up in the middle, and there

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was a large I want to say, like a fifteen

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foot photo either photo or a painting of a naked girl. Menager.

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Pornographic or artistic? Answer No, No, I wouldn't say pornographic,

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more artistic Menager. Artistic? Was Galaine present during the massage?

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Answer no? Manager did something about that particular massage session

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stand out to you? Answer yes, that was when I

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first was asked to squeeze and rub his nipples while

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he pleasured himself. Manager. And did he say that's what

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he was going to do? Answer he yes, he was

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just very blunt about it. He said, rub my nipples,

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I'm going to jerk off. I was like, no done, manager,

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and you walked out? Answer I did, Manager? Were there

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any repercussions for you were walking out. Answer amazingly, no,

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knowing what I know now, I'm surprised I was ever

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called back. But no, I just stood my ground and

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walked out. I'm not comfortable with that. Menager. Do you

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know personally whether anyone else has said that to him? Answer? No, manager.

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Did anyone ever tell you that they had been in

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a massage scenario? And told? No? Answer? No manager. Do

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you recall when in your trip the massage occurred? Answer well,

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it was not the day we landed. It must have

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been the next day that we were there. Menager, Do

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you remember anything else about Virginia from that trip other

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than Prince Andrew thing and the Phantom of the Opera?

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Answer well, we were getting ready to leave to go

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to the airport, and we were waiting. She and I

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sat on the steps in the foyer. I do remember

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just kind of asking a few questions to try to

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understand her role, because at that point now I knew

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what he wanted from me in the massage, and but

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she did not make it clear to me that she

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was participating in that. So I was prodding gently to

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see if there was anything happening that shouldn't have been,

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because I was getting the impression that she was. She

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told me she was seventeen. Manager, she told you she

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was seventeen. Answer uh huh, Menager, How did that come up? Answer?

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I asked her manager. Was anyone else present during the conversation?

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Answer no, Manager. You mentioned in your earlier testimony that

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she seemed orphan like answer yes, Menager, But you said

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that was something you had said to miss McCauley. Correct

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answer correct, Manager, that was not said at the time.

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Answer right, No. At the time, I was getting an

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impression that she did not have a family or had

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walked away from her family, and it seemed to me,

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you know, they had just sort of adopted her, not

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as a child, but they would take care of her.

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Men Did you observe anyone speaking to her as a

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child like make up your bed? Answer no me. Did

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you observe whether she was using drugs during that trip?

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Answer no McCauley objection. Manager. Did you ever observe her

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using drugs? Answer not that I recall, Menager. Did she

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ever tell you that she was using xanax? Answer no, Manager.

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Cocaine answer no manager. Ecstasy answer no, Menager, heroine answer

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no Manager. When was the second trip you took to

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New York. Answer later, maybe two thousand and five. I

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don't know. I could look in the flight record. Menager,

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that's all right. Answer I don't remember exactly. Manager, you

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just recall it being several years so after. Answer yes,

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several years later. Manager, And just so I'm clear, can

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you just list for me the places you recall traveling

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with Jeffrey. Answer yes, The first trip was New York

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and the Virgin Islands, and then not again until around

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two thousand and five. We went to New Mexico and

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to New York City and the Virgin Islands. Manager. So

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you were in New York twice and the Virgin Islands

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twice and New Mexico once. Answer yes, Manager, anywhere else?

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Answer no, Manager, were those primarily on the private planes?

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Answer yes, Manager, you said you flew commercially once to

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get back Answer yes, Manager. Do you recall any other

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commercial flights? Answer he bought a couple of flights from

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me when I wanted to go to New York for

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personal reasons. One time I went to New York commercially

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and I was there with friends, but I did go

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over to his house while I was staying in the city.

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Menager and that's not the trip to New York. Answer,

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no separate. Manager. Would you characterize your relationship with Jeffrey

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as friendly? McAuley objection witness, Yes, Manager, if you asked

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him to buy you a ticket to New York, that

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might be something that he would do. Answer. I never

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asked him to do anything for me, but I told

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him I was interested in something, and he always offered. Menager.

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The second trip to New York, anything memorable about that?

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The one, I'm sorry, the one that you mentioned that

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was with Jeffrey. Answer. I do recall Nadia being there

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while I massaged. She gave him a facial but nothing

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sexual happened. Menager. And do you recall if Glane was

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part of that trip or not? Answer? I remember her

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being in New Mexico. Menager, What do you remember about

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her being in New Mexico? And I remember she took

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me to when they were building the ranch. They had

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a little three bedroom home, just like a prefab house.

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She took me over there, so we went for a

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little walk. I remember she had two new puppies named

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Max and Minnie, little Yorkis. And I want to say

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that it was around Jeffrey's birthday when we were there,

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but nothing. There was no like celebration or cake with candles.

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It was just another day, Menager. You said the Virgin

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of the Virgin Islands the second time? Answer yes, that's

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when she called went to bed and kissed us all

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on the head and called us her children. Menager. Who

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were the other participants in that session? Answer that's who.

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I don't recall who was there. I want to say

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that Nadia was Menager, but Virginia was not there. Answer

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Virginia was not there, Menager. Do you recall the point

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in time in which Virginia went away? Answer sort of.

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After the trip to New York. I was given her

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phone number to call, and I remember one time I

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tried to get a hold of her. Her boyfriend answered,

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a boyfriend, I would assume, and he sounded like he

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was high, and I couldn't find out where she was.

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And then from there she was out of the picture. Manager.

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Do you recall how long after the New York trip

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that occurred? Answer? I would say it was probably within

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a month or two. Manager. Did she tell you she

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was working elsewhere? Answer no, manager. Did you ask her?

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Answer no manager. Did you mention that she was a waitress?

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Answer no, manager and worked at Taco Bell answer uh huh. Manager.

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Did you speak to her boyfriend or a boyfriend at

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any other time associated with her? Answer no. Manager. Did

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you meet her boyfriend? Answer no, Manager her fiance answer no.

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McAuley objection, manager, when you were on the plane with

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Jeffrey Epstein during these two trips, he was present on

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all of those flights, answer yes, manager. Did you observe

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any sexual behavior happening on the plane? Answer no. He

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told me a story of something that happened one time. Manager.

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Did it involve Glenn Maxwell? Answer no, Manager. Did it

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involve Virginia Roberts Answer no, manager, and you didn't see anything?

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Answer no, manager. You did give massages to Glenn Maxwell

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correct answer yes, Manager, on how many occasions? Answer maybe

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somewhere between five and ten. Manager. Was that over the

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course of the five years? Answer yes, Manager. Was there

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at some point during that five years where Glenn Maxwell

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was not around as much? Answer yes, manager. Do you

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recall when that was? Answer in the middle manager, Did

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you know why that might be? Answer no, Manager? Is

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that about the time that you started seeing Nadia more frequently. Answer, yeah,

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I guess she was probably in the picture more. Her

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and Sarah both had kind of been around the most. Manager.

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Did you observe Nadia or Sarah appearing to act like

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Jeffrey's girlfriend? Answer Nadia, not Sarah? Menager? What did you observe? Answer?

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She was just very loving kissing him. Menager. Did you

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know how old she was? Answer? I didn't know. Menager.

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So you gave massages to Gleine five or ten times?

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Was there anything unusual about those massages? And just to

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add here, Nadia Marsenkova allegedly was sold to Jeffrey Epstein

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when she was just a little girl. So that's a

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whole other story that at some point is going to

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come out. Menager. You've been quoted in the press. Perhaps

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is saying that she wasn't very picky? Answer about massage? Menager?

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About her massages? Answer not like Jeffrey. I guess I

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mean saying that meant that, you know, I would do

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whatever I wanted to do in the massage, whereas Jeffrey

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was like, do my foot, do my leg? He would

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kind of narrate what he wanted. She just wanted a massage, so,

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if that makes sense, menager, she may have been naked

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under a towel. Answered definitely, in a regular massage fashion.

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McCauley objection. Answer yes, Actually, I do recall an instance

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where I was a massaging her and Jeffrey came into

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the room and he did something sort of sexual to her,

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whether it was fondling her or slapping her butt or something,

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and she brushed them off like she was embarrassed. Manager,

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So she never asked you to touch her in a

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sexual manner correct answer no, Manager. And she did not

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rub her breasts on you, for example, Answer no. McCauley objection. Manager,

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did she demand that you perform oral sex on her?

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Answer no, Manager. Did she not demand that you undress

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during your massage? Answer no, menager. There was nothing from

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her that was sexual during the massage that you gave her.

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McCauley objection, and then schoberg answers correct, McCauley, do you

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recall when was the last time you gave her a massage? Answer?

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I don't recall. All right, folks, we're going to wrap

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up that episode right here, and in the next episode

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