WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.119 are your favorites, so like Shay Subscribe and raid It, 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:23.600 lip Star and Righteous Yesterday and listening, Oh watchim always 4 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:24.879 keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo. 6 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.880 Fay Bobo. How you doing today? 7 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:35.159 Pretty good? Pretty good? How you doing? Cliff? 8 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.280 I am excited. I could barely get any sleep last night. 9 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.359 We have fantastic guests for you. You're gonna totally dig 10 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:43.920 this one. I mean you already know who they are, 11 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.600 but I cannot wait to announce it because there's a 12 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.520 new Bigfoot film on the market. But you know the 13 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.960 great thing about it, it's not really a Bigfoot film. 14 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:55.439 This isn't about necessarily about sightings. It doesn't have talking 15 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:57.799 heads like I saw the thing above the tree was 16 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.560 a fat doll. It's not anything like. Yeah, this is 17 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.159 an out of the ordinary Bigfoot film and I've seen 18 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.159 it and I cannot recommend it highly enough. I know 19 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:10.439 you've seen it. The name of the film is big Fur. 20 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.400 It was made by a guy named Dan Wayne, and 21 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:16.560 the center of the film, the subject of the film 22 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.920 is a world renowned like award winning taxidermist named Ken Walker, 23 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.760 and we have both of those gentlemen on the show today. Bubs, 24 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.799 It's going to be a fantastic episode. 25 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.319 Oh yeah, I watched that movie three times now. There's 26 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:32.000 some twists and turns. I don't want to I have 27 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:33.640 always questions I want to ask him. I don't want 28 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.439 to wait too much about the plot because it's it 29 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:41.040 takes some It's almost like the Tiger King should be 30 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.400 called the Squatch King because it takes some dramatic turns. 31 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:47.400 Yeah, it is. It is a fantastic film, and I 32 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:50.599 cannot I cannot recommend it enough. Everybody in our audience 33 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.400 really needs to see this. And you know, I'm not 34 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:54.680 blowing smoke up anybody's skirt or anything. This is a 35 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.239 fantastic film because it is out of the ordinary. But 36 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.239 you know what, let enough of us talking. Let's get 37 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.719 right down to it. Let's let's go ahead and introduce 38 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:04.840 our two subjects today, and then they can tell you 39 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.040 about the film. They can tell you about their accomplishments, 40 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:10.039 and and then we have a ton of questions for them. So, 41 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.000 Bobo and everybody else who's listening right now, I want 42 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.840 you to meet Dan Wayne the filmmaker and Ken Walker 43 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.439 the taxidermist. So, Dan and Ken, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond. 44 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.599 Who Ken you, I'm not a I'm not a hunter. 45 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.599 I'm not a taxidermist, a fishionado. I don't go to 46 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.479 the shows, I don't take I don't read the blogs 47 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.800 or the maga. So, but you apparently are like the 48 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.199 world's best and so at least in some years you've 49 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.639 been awarded the world's best in taxidermy. Tell us a 50 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:39.560 little bit that about that, like where did you begin 51 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:40.560 and all that sort of stuff. 52 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.599 Well, taxidermy is kind of, uh, it's kind of a 53 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:46.360 cool occupation. You don't really find it, it seems to 54 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.840 find you, uh, you know. And I've always been into 55 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.879 anything nature. I mean, when I was a kid, they 56 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:53.960 couldn't keep me inside. You know, when I was on 57 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.919 the fishing dock, that's where I was from, you know, uh, 58 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.840 dusk to dawn. I was out fishing day and night. 59 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.280 You know, that's just where I was. And so, you know, 60 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.800 becoming a taxi ormist was kind of a natural evolution 61 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.840 to what I do because I was also an artist, 62 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.000 you know, a sculpting artist. Three dimensional medium is my thing. 63 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.120 And then of course, you know, I was used to 64 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:18.879 follow my pops on moose hunting trips to feed the family, 65 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.039 and I just fell in love with the nature and everything. 66 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.400 So it was kind of a natural evolution, you know, 67 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.199 it kind of kind of fell into it. And then 68 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.280 over the years it turned out that, you know, I 69 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:33.039 was able to I was able to actually reach some 70 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:37.439 pinnacles in the tax army competition field. And so yeah, 71 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:41.719 as of now, I've won the World Championships three times, 72 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.520 twice in the recreation division and once in life size mammals, 73 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.400 and I've won a ton of other stuff to a 74 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:52.800 Master of Masters, judges choice best to Show, competitors choice 75 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:54.800 best to show, and then a lot you know, the nationals. 76 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:57.479 I won the Nationals and just stuff like that, and 77 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.639 I travel all around the world. I went to China 78 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.039 taught them how to do panda bears. So yeah, it's 79 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:06.120 been a great journey. And then somewhere along the way, 80 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:08.840 I bumped into I bumped into the sasquatch. 81 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.719 Yeah. Now that's where the story kind of takes a turn, 82 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.000 because I'm sure some of our listeners are thinking, wait, 83 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.160 of a taxidermy bigfoot, don't you need like a dead 84 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.360 animal to make a something. Why do we have a 85 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.600 taxidermist on Well, Ken actually made a replica of a 86 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.199 sasquatch and that's the basis of the entire film that 87 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.279 Dan made. So why don't we throw out to Dan 88 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.560 right now and say, Dan, why don't you tell us 89 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.279 how you ran across Ken and what was the seed 90 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:32.959 that produced the movie Big Fur? 91 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.319 Well, you know, I was wanting to do a movie 92 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:40.079 about taxidermy, and I started learning how to do it 93 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.199 myself as kind of a hobby, and I found this 94 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.279 forum on the internet and all the best taxidermists in 95 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.079 the world were on this for him, and I pretty 96 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.439 quickly got more interested in following along with these really 97 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.839 bizarre characters than I was in learning how to do it. 98 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.000 And I thought, there's I think there's going to be 99 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.279 a really interesting documentary here, because to me, it was 100 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.000 this kind of underappreciated art form. And that's what I 101 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.360 set out to do, was, you know, show what's involved 102 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:09.519 with taxidermy. And so I had a bunch of these 103 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.439 guys I was following along just really interesting characters, and 104 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.040 Ken was kind of at the top of that list. 105 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.639 And part of the reason was because you know, he's 106 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.959 pretty smart, and he's pretty funny, and you know, some 107 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.759 of these guys just take themselves so seriously. 108 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.839 And Ken, you know, it was more humble. You know, 109 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:26.959 he's obviously one of the. 110 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:28.879 Best, but but he just, you know, he had a 111 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:33.040 great sense of humor. And interestingly, he's known for these 112 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.720 recreations that he does. You know, these he did an 113 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.839 Irish elk and and a panda and a saber tooth tiger, 114 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:41.959 and you know, people talk about these things like, you know, 115 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.000 they're they're really amazing, and they are because they are amazing. 116 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.079 And so when it came time to kind of pull 117 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.279 the trigger and get started, I really didn't know what 118 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.680 the storyline was going to be, but I just kind 119 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.279 of wanted to get the ball rolling, and so I 120 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.839 sent Ken a message and asked him if he'd be 121 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.560 interested in being, you know, part of a documentary. And 122 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.120 then we talked on the phone and he was pretty 123 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.560 into it. And you know, I knew he had a 124 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.480 thing about bigfoot, but I didn't really know that much 125 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.319 about it, and I'd never really thought twice about bigfoot. 126 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.240 But then he told me he was going to build 127 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.600 a Bigfoot and that's when I knew I found the 128 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.439 story because there's going to be a middle, you know, beginning, 129 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.079 a middle and an end, and I can follow him 130 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.000 while he makes this thing and takes it to the 131 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.639 World Championships. And so that's kind of how the whole 132 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.160 seed started, this whole thing about Bigfoot. 133 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.160 Though I really didn't know anything about Bigfoot. 134 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.000 So as soon as I hung out from Ken, I 135 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:35.639 started studying and learning about Bigfoot. And yeah, I didn't 136 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:40.279 really realize there was this international interest, you know, not 137 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.279 just Bigfoot, but all cryptids, and and I think that 138 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.040 kind of set me down this kind of path about 139 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.879 you know, mythology and what these things stand for, you know, 140 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:51.959 in a more broad general sense. 141 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.480 One of the things I was impressed about when I 142 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:59.560 was watching bigfo is how much information Kim knew about sasquatches. 143 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.360 I mean, had know the sasquatch by Chris Murphy in 144 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.680 his hands. He knew about the compliant gait of the 145 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.519 Patterson Gimlin film creature. He knows a lot about sasquatches. So, Ken, 146 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:14.240 can you tell us how you started researching Bigfoot in particular? 147 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.240 Once Well, I had two people come forward to me 148 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.240 that told me about sasquatch encounters. And these were people 149 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:24.279 that I trust inherently. I knew they weren't lying. One 150 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.720 was a guy I worked with named Wade Pearson, and 151 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.920 his grandfather had passed away, and before he did, he 152 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:31.639 gave him his car. But he sat and told him 153 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.879 how he was walking out of a logging camp in 154 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.439 the middle of the night in British Columbia and bumped 155 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:40.600 into a huge sasquatch and he literally went to town, 156 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:42.439 got on a train and went home because he couldn't 157 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:44.120 go back to tell the people what he had saw. 158 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:49.319 And then the other guy is Ray Levor, a very 159 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:53.040 famous taxi ermist. He's still alive. He's quite old, but 160 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.480 he used to hunt the Brazoo River and before it 161 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.360 was open he had the record alberta Bear trophy bear 162 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.759 for many years. And he said that he found sasquatch 163 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:05.439 tracks on a sandbar and he said they could not 164 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.240 have been anything else. Uh, and the guy knows. So 165 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.480 that got me investigating right away, because I thought, wait 166 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.319 a minute, and so then I started quizzing every every 167 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:19.279 hunter who came through my shop, and man, the stuff 168 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.279 that I came up with was incredible. I go that 169 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:24.319 the people told me. I didn't realize people I knew 170 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.000 had seen them, but they just don't tell anyone. And 171 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.120 then so I just I just soaked up all the 172 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.240 knowledge I could. I tried to go to the most 173 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.720 credible sources I could, you know, like Jeff Meldrum and 174 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.639 people who take, you know, a scientific approach to it. 175 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.759 And then of course, you know, you got to You've 176 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.320 got to sort through a lot of stuff, but you know, 177 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.000 and then I started looking for people myself out here, 178 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.200 and it just went from there. So, yeah, I soaked 179 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:50.399 up a lot of knowledge on it. 180 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:52.399 What is the story? Was it? When you're a kid, 181 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:53.440 you say saw it later? 182 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:57.519 No, I saw it when I was I was actually hunting. 183 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.519 If you go west of Edmonton, there's a when you 184 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:04.279 hit the first main bush country, it's Blue Ridge White Court. 185 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.799 And I went to Blue Ridge and crossed the river 186 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:09.600 and then went down this old road we called the 187 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.600 Simpson Timber Road. We used to hunt bears there and 188 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.320 that country wasn't opened up at all. There was no 189 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:19.200 side roads. And about twenty miles down that road, all 190 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.279 of a sudden, I yelled bear because the bear run 191 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:24.759 out of the bush. And I realized it's not a bear, 192 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.200 it's a man. And this thing cleared the ditch one 193 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.679 jump and it was up on the road and then 194 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.399 it cleared the other ditch and then it ran up 195 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.919 a steep hill without slowing down. And even the thing 196 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.000 was running too fast to be human anyways. And I 197 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:40.919 was like, who is this guy? Why is he dressed 198 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:42.840 in black? Furry's going to get shot out here, you know. 199 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.360 And it never sat right with me. And the guy 200 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.399 with me said, is that a sasquatch? And I said, no, 201 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:50.120 there's no such thing. 202 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:50.279 Man. 203 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.639 It had to be a man, you know. I have 204 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.120 since gone back to the area, found the tree structures 205 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.480 and talked to other witnesses in it's an area south 206 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:59.440 of Kidney Lake and that's where they are. It's one 207 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:01.639 of the one of the areas where they where there's 208 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:08.519 encounters oh Man thirty years ago. So it made more 209 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:11.159 sense that it was a sasquatch than it was a person, 210 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:16.440 much more sense because everything about the sighting was not 211 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.480 within human parameters. But you know, belief is a big thing. 212 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.399 It forms your opinions. I know people who've seen sasquatches 213 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.440 and still don't believe in them, you know. So there 214 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:29.320 was that kind of hanging in the background, so I 215 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.960 drew on that as far as an experience. Another time, 216 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:33.679 I was walking through the woods and something hit me 217 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.960 with a rock, and I thought, maybe a squirrel dropped 218 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.480 a rock on me. Well, I know better now. I 219 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:42.240 was in tom Hill Tower country, and I've got witnesses 220 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.200 from there now too, So you know, I put a 221 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.039 lot of pieces together from my past, and then of 222 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.519 course I have all the new accounts coming in all 223 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.519 the time from people that come through my shop. So 224 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.320 I've been able to kind of weed through everything, you know, 225 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.919 if I get you know, similarities, similar areas from people 226 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:02.639 who don't know each other. And I've been able to 227 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:06.240 get kind of a broad view of where the Sasquatch 228 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.559 are in Alberta. 229 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.399 About how many reports do you think you've collected, like 230 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.360 since you started collecting these things? 231 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:13.360 Four dozen? 232 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.480 Okay, pretty good? And even in that small data set 233 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.960 so far, you know, fifty or so reports, shall we say, 234 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.759 patterns are already developing, is what I'm hearing from you. 235 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.960 Oh yeah yeah. And also to like I sort through them, 236 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:33.519 I really anything that could possibly give, you know, give evidence, 237 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.360 like if somebody says they found tracks and you know 238 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.320 two days ago. I mean I'm in my truck and 239 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.000 I'm racing. You know, people say they found bones, people 240 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.639 have shot and killed them. Those I try to follow 241 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:48.279 those up as quickly as I can. And I mean, 242 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.039 you guys all know the cier killed story that was 243 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.120 on our taxidermy for him that that came up to be. 244 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.879 And I was actually the first one to talk. 245 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.279 To that guy. Well you were that was you? That 246 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:00.639 was me? 247 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.519 I was the guy. Yeah, no way, yeah. 248 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:03.799 That was me. 249 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.159 I was on the I went there to find the 250 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.279 body with with Meldrum and Derek and them guys. 251 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.879 Yeah, because I actually I was the one that I 252 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:13.759 called Derek and I said, you know, get in touch 253 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.399 with this guy and uh. And then I never heard anything. 254 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:20.919 So then I ended up calling Tyler Huggins and I 255 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:22.559 tried to get him on it. I said, you know, 256 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.120 there's a possibility that you know, I'm two weeks behind 257 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:25.559 the shooting. 258 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:26.679 Uh. 259 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:29.559 You know, I don't care who who proves it. I don't, 260 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:31.399 I don't, I really don't care. I just want somebody 261 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.600 to I have since had a chance to sit down 262 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.600 with Justin and UH and talk with him and UH, 263 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.879 And I mean I heard the original report. I have 264 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.799 no doubt in my mind that it's it's real. 265 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.919 Me too, no doubt. You know. 266 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.200 You know Barkertina filmed four of them there a couple 267 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:50.440 of years later, did you know that. 268 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.080 Yeah, the thermal ones. Yeah, yeah, that was great. 269 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:54.720 Yeah. 270 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.960 No, And they'll be in the area like it's just 271 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.399 like the place where they call the Alberta habituation. Dan's 272 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.879 not telling you, but I called a sasquatch in for him, 273 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.480 and right where we were standing is the same place 274 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.480 that the word is that Jeff Meldrum saw one, and 275 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.639 he did see one as far as I'm concerned, and 276 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.600 he saw a really nasty, mean one that nobody should 277 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.679 be in there walking around. They don't know the backstory 278 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.120 I do. And you know, they just hide more. They 279 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:27.559 don't tend to change locations. They just tend to be 280 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.360 more careful if they know people are in there looking 281 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:31.360 for him. 282 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.960 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 283 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:42.919 Will be right back after these messages. 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So 323 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.960 what had happened is once I realized these these creatures 324 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.360 are out there, I started going through all of the 325 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.399 people I know in my mind, and there's people, basically 326 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.919 I know, people that are so knowledgeable that if there 327 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.600 are sasquatches, these guys would know. So I went to 328 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.960 a couple of really good friends of mine and I 329 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.679 called him up and I said, look, I'm not crazy. 330 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:15.600 Just listen to what I have to say. But do 331 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.840 you have any accounts of sasquatches up in that country 332 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.559 where you guys are? And the guy said, you're not 333 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.600 going to believe this. I can't believe you're asking me 334 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.039 that question. He says, I just had to go with 335 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:29.799 my brother and pull all his traps. He says, he's 336 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:34.399 being harassed by these things. And then he said, yeah, 337 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.600 and they built a big nest that they were living in. 338 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.720 He's found and he's seen seven of them, and just 339 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:43.960 went on and on and so as soon as he 340 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:45.799 said there was a nest and there was like and 341 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.759 this was already in the winter, and there was scat 342 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:50.440 all over the place, he said, the thing I had 343 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.039 crapped about thirty times around the edge of this nest. 344 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.240 I said, we need to go collect that. I says, 345 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.720 it'll have DNA evidence. And I had a heck of 346 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.399 a time getting them to draw map, but he finally did, 347 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:03.799 and we went up there and that's when we found 348 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.440 the I went in there and I found out where 349 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:10.519 the area was, and we dug up the nest and 350 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.000 I filled up five bags full of frozen scat. I 351 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.039 videotaped that I have the videotape somewhere, but you know, 352 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.200 this is how it kind of started. And then I 353 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.079 started getting all of the accounts and what happened. And 354 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.960 then I started exploring the area and myself, and there 355 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:31.079 was another I got followed by one when I was 356 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.720 in there on the river. Now, there were some hunters 357 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.240 that got run out of an area. Now on the 358 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.119 way out, they told the trapper don't ever go in there. 359 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.680 They wouldn't say why, but they said, just watch those 360 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.440 stone piles on the cliffs. And he said, you'll you know. 361 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.920 So I went in there and I found the stone piles, 362 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:49.880 and so I went farther down the trail. I looked 363 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.480 for some tracks, and when I came back, when I 364 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.240 hit the crossroads, something was had been standing there that 365 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.799 stunk so bad that I could hardly breathe. And it 366 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:03.920 was it smelt like rotten grass in a bag in 367 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.680 a hundred degree weather, mixed with bo with vomit. I mean, 368 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.680 it was just it was just an awful, offensive smell. 369 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.359 And then then the breeze just took the smell away, 370 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.680 and I realized whatever I smelt was standing right here. 371 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.240 And then that's when all the hair started going up 372 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.240 on my arms, on my back, on my neck, and 373 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.400 I realized there was something watching me and real close. 374 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:29.920 I've never felt like that, and so I brought another 375 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:32.200 There was another guy that I had been talking to 376 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.039 and he wanted to go in really badly with me. 377 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.119 So I called up the trapper and they said, look, 378 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.039 if you trust this guy, you know, go ahead. So 379 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:42.640 I went in there. I brought the guy, and of 380 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:44.960 course all the tree structures. The guy went kind of crazy, 381 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.440 like there's so much stuff there to look at, and 382 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.599 then down the road, I guess he a lot of 383 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.400 people get delusions of grandeur. They think that they're going 384 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.920 to be I don't know, Neil Armstrong walking on the 385 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.240 moon because of something that they found, you know, And 386 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.680 then they wanted all to themselves. And so he started 387 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.720 going to other investigators and trying to bring them into 388 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:13.119 the area, which I strongly advised him against. And so 389 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:19.119 that area ended up becoming known whether through blogs. The 390 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.920 very first survivor man Bigfoot, was filmed there, and of 391 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:28.200 course another gentleman went in there and brought in doctor 392 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:32.200 Meldrum and doctor Bindernagel, and yeah, the place turned into 393 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.480 just exactly what the trapper didn't want it turned into 394 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.160 a circus. Now that's just one spot. Luckily I didn't 395 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.279 show the guy the other spots, because there's one spot 396 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.680 in particular where if you go in there, there's bone 397 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.920 piles where they've been eating, there's beds, there's shelters. They're 398 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.359 literally there all the time. And I just found out 399 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.960 two weeks ago that forestry found that spot too and 400 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.640 they clear cut it. So that was kind of a 401 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.359