Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Welcome to the aw Ignition Podcast, brought to
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Speaker 1: I am your loan host for the evening. Kelson is indisposed.
Speaker 1: It is election night in the United States of America,
Speaker 1: so a lot of our normal participants are perhaps voting
Speaker 1: or watching election coverage. We will not be discussing the
Speaker 1: election tonight. We will only be sticking solely to the
Speaker 1: world of aw wrestling. We have some moves that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about, and then we will do a
Speaker 1: little recap of the upcoming Dynamite coming to us tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: I am joined tonight by our friend Sutton and Net
Speaker 1: and first we're going to talk about some events we
Speaker 1: had on the weekend. We had a few wrestlers from
Speaker 1: ae W showing up at New Japan Pro Wrestling, and
Speaker 1: it seems like they're starting to build to the Wrestle
Speaker 1: Dynasty show. I know that you're most excited about this.
Speaker 1: First person that we're going to talk about, we had
Speaker 1: Kenny Omega his return.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am excited to see Kenny back. I'm glad
Speaker 2: that he's feeling better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about him returning on New
Speaker 1: Japan instead of AW.
Speaker 2: I think he returned to New Japan because that's just
Speaker 2: where he kind of is, I don't know, most comfortable,
Speaker 2: maybe a good.
Speaker 1: Way to make a name for himself. That's where he yeah,
Speaker 1: Ken Omega, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's why he decided to come
Speaker 2: back there. And there seems to be a lot of
Speaker 2: things going on at a a W at the moment,
Speaker 2: so maybe he's letting those stories play out a little bit.
Speaker 3: And you're gonna do with the speed of New Japan.
Speaker 3: It's different there. It's not the same as it is
Speaker 3: in a W. Their matches to me, run slower. Everything
Speaker 3: is done methodically, so you I mean you don't. It's
Speaker 3: not that you have less excitement in the matches. It
Speaker 3: just seems to be done mm hm.
Speaker 4: You know with a method.
Speaker 3: They have a method to their madness, whereas in AW
Speaker 3: you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Japan generally it's not like televised. It's just
Speaker 1: you watch it on their streaming service. Like they're not
Speaker 1: building the match around commercials or have to keep it
Speaker 1: short for TV.
Speaker 5: Right, right, that's true.
Speaker 4: Who did he challenge? I didn't see it yet. Who
Speaker 4: did he challenge.
Speaker 1: I think he he basically said he's challenging someone like
Speaker 1: a young up and comer. I don't think he named
Speaker 1: anyone specific, But then backstage he was attacked by Gabe Kid.
Speaker 4: That would be a resting match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, making Kid did a bit in aw like he
Speaker 1: had he tagged with Roderick Strong for whatever reason, and
Speaker 1: they had the tag match on the opening show. But
Speaker 1: in New Japan he's a much bigger deal.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, this is like a few to set up
Speaker 1: something bigger at Wressell Dynasty, or if this is going
Speaker 1: to be the match that Keny Omega has at Wressell Dynasty.
Speaker 1: I think I also saw he made a funny comment
Speaker 1: basically saying that that Gabe Kid attacking him backstage reminded
Speaker 1: him of a certain someone who also attacked him backstage,
Speaker 1: basically hinting at cmpunk.
Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, can he's been out of touch for
Speaker 3: a while. He doesn't realize that Sampunk doesn't work here anymore.
Speaker 1: Jesus, he's just poking the bear if CM punk, yeah, respond.
Speaker 5: It's it's easy to bother sampunk.
Speaker 2: He gets worked up, absolutely, Yeah, it's easy. But with
Speaker 2: Kenny coming back, I wonder when we're going to also
Speaker 2: see a boushie. I've been waiting awaiting his return as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that reason, Yeah, that could be a reason
Speaker 1: why he didn't show up in a w yet. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're waiting for a boushie to be healthy if they're
Speaker 1: gonna bring back him with the boushie and they're going
Speaker 1: to have like a match, I guess like the young
Speaker 1: Bucks are said to be out for a while as well.
Speaker 3: So I can't remember which one, but one of them
Speaker 3: has a separated shoulder, and that's yeah, I couldn't I
Speaker 3: couldn't remember which one it was. But that's basically the
Speaker 3: reason why they left the titles where they did, and
Speaker 3: they're taking the time off. Problem with us separated shoulder
Speaker 3: is that doesn't necessarily alas heal. I mean, you can
Speaker 3: get it back to the point where it's not bothering
Speaker 3: you anymore. But that's something that he could always have
Speaker 3: a problem with. But I kind of think you're right
Speaker 3: on that though, Alex. I think that the the when
Speaker 3: he when a Boushie and Omega come back, I think
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a short, small little feud between them
Speaker 3: and the Bucks.
Speaker 4: That might lead to a turnaround for the elite. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's an idea, but it's hard to tell when
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell what they're doing that and a
Speaker 2: bush spent all. We're social media, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's also hinted that he's ready to come back, that
Speaker 2: he's been training and he's in the gym every day
Speaker 2: and he's made up with everybody.
Speaker 5: At New Japan. Oh really, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He was saying that he's he's forgiven things and left
Speaker 2: things in the past, So who knows what's going on there?
Speaker 5: You know, I've been wondering.
Speaker 3: And if you think about it, Aboushi was the one
Speaker 3: that came out with the thing saying that Kenny was
Speaker 3: a couple of months at least three two or three
Speaker 3: months away from being back, and that puts you at
Speaker 3: Russell dynasty, So you know, this is kind of working
Speaker 3: towards that.
Speaker 4: But it's going to be I mean, what he thinks
Speaker 4: are going right now? I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is this is kind of crazy. There's there's some
Speaker 3: crazy stuff going on. It is a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: It's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it leads us to like Rickish debut.
Speaker 1: Well showed up in New Japan. I think he was
Speaker 1: there maybe last six or eight years ago. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he showed up to challenge Zach Saber Junior. I think
Speaker 1: they've already announced that that's going to be a match
Speaker 1: at Russell Dynasty. Their exact Saber Junior is still the
Speaker 1: world champion at that point remains to be seen. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, Ricochet when he was in
Speaker 1: New Japan was not necessarily a main event guy. He's
Speaker 1: maybe not a main event guy. Even right now, he's
Speaker 1: really good. I think they're building him to be a
Speaker 1: main event guy, but it is an interesting choice for
Speaker 1: a big matchup in New Japan.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about it is that he kind of
Speaker 3: falls into the same boat that Shelton Benjamin did. He
Speaker 3: wasn't used right in WWE, They didn't use him anyway.
Speaker 4: Near how he should have been used.
Speaker 3: Ricochet should have been one of their top superstar period
Speaker 3: because he's that good.
Speaker 4: You know, this this him coming.
Speaker 3: To a w and aw making him, putting him in
Speaker 3: the situation he's been in against h Takeushta and Osprey
Speaker 3: and kind of rolling that in it's really put a
Speaker 3: highlight on him and shown what he can do. And
Speaker 3: I just hope it continues because Ricochet could be a
Speaker 3: big building block for AW.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that he has like a great look.
Speaker 1: He's better than I expected on the mic cutting promos
Speaker 1: and stuff. I thought he would be really bad, just
Speaker 1: because I'd seen bits and pieces along from a long
Speaker 1: time ago. But he's been surprising, And yeah, he's looked
Speaker 1: kind of they've basically presented him on the level of Ospray.
Speaker 1: You almost wonder when when Osprey was choosing to go
Speaker 1: to AW or WWE, if if you looked at how
Speaker 1: they treated Ricochet and kind of help that make his decision, Like,
Speaker 1: here's the guy that's skill level to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah too.
Speaker 3: And not only that, but you know, if you're a
Speaker 3: superstar and you've been in New Japan or somewhere else
Speaker 3: and you look at you're wanting to stay and be
Speaker 3: able to do that again, you know it's not gonna
Speaker 3: happen if you go to WWE. Seriously, they're not gonna
Speaker 3: They're not gonna work with New Japan. Very rarely do
Speaker 3: they send people there. They might work with like TNA
Speaker 3: or something small, but they're not gonna work with the
Speaker 3: places that you want to work with that you have
Speaker 3: in the past, So you have to make a choice
Speaker 3: and say, hey, if I go to AW, I can
Speaker 3: pretty much work wherever I want to and.
Speaker 4: Do what I want.
Speaker 3: And or I could go to a W and yeah,
Speaker 3: they may pay me more money, but I won't be
Speaker 3: as exposed or get as much exposure as I used to.
Speaker 3: So you know, I think that's a major factor and
Speaker 3: why a lot of these superstars are choosing a W
Speaker 3: instead of W.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, for sure. And I think there was
Speaker 1: one more person to mention, not necessarily for Wressell Dynasty,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he showed up in New
Speaker 1: Japan over the weekend, but we had Takeshta has been
Speaker 1: announced for International title Match FIRSUS. I think TJP from
Speaker 1: the United Empire.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and Tekesh is going to be in
Speaker 2: Seattle this weekend.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TJP W is having an event hosted by DeFi.
Speaker 5: And he's going to be here, and a lot.
Speaker 2: Of the the women wrestlers, a bunch of people. I
Speaker 2: can't even think of all who it is, but I
Speaker 2: know Takesh is going to be here. I think on
Speaker 2: a I think it's his show. I think is on
Speaker 2: the ninth. It's a whole weekend of events from Friday
Speaker 2: to Sunday, and I don't remember who he's wrestling. I
Speaker 2: think it's him and his friends who are in D
Speaker 2: D T. I think it's the name of the group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the promotion. Okay, maybe the third or
Speaker 1: fourth biggest promotion in Japan.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's they're they're putting on a show. So I
Speaker 2: don't know when they announced it. When they announced this
Speaker 2: whole weekend event, I wasn't that big ongoing. And then
Speaker 2: by the time they announced to Kesta, all the tickets
Speaker 2: were pretty much sold out, so I'm you know, I
Speaker 2: missed out. They sprung to Kesta on kind of at
Speaker 2: the last minute, darn it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if he's I'm trying to pull it
Speaker 1: up and I don't see any matches announced, but I
Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to defend the international title there
Speaker 1: against somebody.
Speaker 5: I don't don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I really have no idea because I've been kind of
Speaker 2: disappointed that I'm not going, so I've been trying not
Speaker 2: to pay attention. So I don't know, I really don't know,
Speaker 2: but I know.
Speaker 5: He's going to be here.
Speaker 2: So and a lot of the women wrestlers that whole promotion,
Speaker 2: a bunch of people are supposed to be here. I'm
Speaker 2: not really familiar with all of them, so I couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking at a picture and
Speaker 1: that looks like, yeah, Takeshta Machi Edo, Nick Wayne, and
Speaker 1: it looks like Marina Shaffir as well, will be there.
Speaker 2: Ten She's the DeFi Women's World Champion, so she'll she'll
Speaker 2: definitely be here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait till she has a match in
Speaker 1: a w again. I can't wrestling on Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like her a lot. I think she's
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 5: I do too.
Speaker 2: She's very very good. I'm seeing her live too. She's
Speaker 2: a very good wrestler. I like her technical skills. I
Speaker 2: hope that they show her a lot more and you know,
Speaker 2: really do something with her other than just kind of
Speaker 2: be Max's sidekick or whatever she's got going on there.
Speaker 2: So I'm you know, she's got a lot to bring
Speaker 2: to the women's division.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, for sure, if they can get opponents
Speaker 1: that kind of match her style. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: the hard perp. But I'm sure there's some.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can think of a couple, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's going to be in the
Speaker 3: cards for her at the moment. I don't think they're
Speaker 3: going to do anything with her other than what she's
Speaker 3: doing right now, because one, there's really no storyline unless
Speaker 3: they unless they have the group, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: unless somebody like you know, I can't think of names
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: I hate that.
Speaker 3: But if they get somebody, if they have like if
Speaker 3: they have good lord, my brain just died.
Speaker 1: Well they have like cop flight is there and they
Speaker 1: have Lailah Grays with them they want to.
Speaker 4: They could do it with her. They could do it
Speaker 4: with the big girl. I can't think of her name.
Speaker 3: No, they could have Naya, you know, I mean na
Speaker 3: A Rose would be a good competition for her, because Niala.
Speaker 3: They don't give her enough credit for what she can
Speaker 3: do in the ring. She can go with anybody, but
Speaker 3: it's gonna be one of those things where to make
Speaker 3: it work you have to fit it into the storyline.
Speaker 3: And right now, You've got hers playing enforcer and that's it.
Speaker 3: She's not going into you know, there's there's no woman
Speaker 3: in a w that AW can pick to go, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is who are enforcer's going to be. They just
Speaker 3: don't have anybody to fit that. And they wouldn't that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, maybe if they said, like Willow is part of
Speaker 1: the conglomeration and they're feuding against.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I just I just don't see Willow
Speaker 3: in that role, you know what I mean. She just
Speaker 3: she's I guess, no other way to put it. She's
Speaker 3: more like a giant teddy bear, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: She doesn't come across as like a power wrestler. Like,
Speaker 3: for example, if you wanted to put Statlander in that role,
Speaker 3: she would make an amazing enforcer for the AW crew.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and that and.
Speaker 3: That actually would be that would I think would be
Speaker 3: an amazing match between her and yeah Statlander and uh,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that would be a hell of a match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they could. My wife was wearing a best
Speaker 1: friend's shirt. They had Statlander and it didn't have Wheeler
Speaker 1: U't on it, but I had Chuck Taylor and Trent
Speaker 1: and Orange Cassidy I mean, yeah, Statlander, I don't know
Speaker 1: why they even broke them up now that Statlander's you know,
Speaker 1: a baby face again.
Speaker 4: And that whole thing was such a waste of time.
Speaker 1: They really, you know, I think they should have just
Speaker 1: kept going with it. It takesse disappointing that they.
Speaker 4: Just it was one of those.
Speaker 3: I still think they went around the wrong way because
Speaker 3: it would have made more sense to turn Willow, especially
Speaker 3: if they were going to do it for such a
Speaker 3: short amount of time, because Willow. For me, during that
Speaker 3: whole time, Willow came across as being kind of a
Speaker 3: tweeer because one minute she was all giddy and happy,
Speaker 3: in the next minute she had a main street And
Speaker 3: to me, it would have just been more believable had
Speaker 3: it been her, because she had as much reason to
Speaker 3: turn as Statlander did, because she was getting screwed over
Speaker 3: in a.
Speaker 4: Lot of things too. So the reason they turned that
Speaker 4: would have worked either way, and they I just.
Speaker 3: Think they chose the wrong one. But thank god they've
Speaker 3: changed it back now. They just need to get stat
Speaker 3: Lander in some matches where she's not getting putting matches
Speaker 3: against you know, like she did the last match that
Speaker 3: wasn't even shouldn't even been close to the match, but.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: The one against Camille.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Camille, I'm sorry. I like Camille's character, but she's
Speaker 3: not a wrestler she did so it just made me
Speaker 3: angry because Camille against Queen Amanada looked horrible. She looked
Speaker 3: she barely beat Queen Amanada. And Queen Monada is good,
Speaker 3: but she's not quite top level yet. She's getting there
Speaker 3: very quickly, but she's not quite there. But then Camille
Speaker 3: comes back and wrestles someone like Statlander, who is one
Speaker 3: of the top talents in the women's division, and they
Speaker 3: made Camille look like one of the greatest wrestlers ever.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's kind of it kind of to
Speaker 3: me is like I said last week, I was telling
Speaker 3: Kelson the women's divisions problem. They're they're never going to
Speaker 3: get over the women's division over the hump if they
Speaker 3: continue to do matches like that where you have Statlander,
Speaker 3: who should be vying for either of the should be
Speaker 3: vying for the women's world title.
Speaker 4: Let's be honest. She's she's paid her dues and she should.
Speaker 3: Be in that in that realm, she goes up against
Speaker 3: somebody who is not on her level, yet she makes them,
Speaker 3: she gets a point where she has to put up
Speaker 3: a match where she has to make them look super
Speaker 3: great when they're not. And it's like when people we
Speaker 3: go against Britt Baker in the past, or the people
Speaker 3: going up against Monatue. Now, you know has been put
Speaker 3: in some matches that she should never have won because
Speaker 3: she's just not that good, at least in my eyes.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a personal opinion, but from watching the
Speaker 3: matches and seeing what she's done, she struggles, and they're
Speaker 3: putting her against the wrong people. You need to put somebody,
Speaker 3: you got to start. They until they get to the
Speaker 3: point where they have matches between believable matches between the
Speaker 3: life talent.
Speaker 4: The women's division is always going to struggle.
Speaker 3: It's just never going to get over the hump because
Speaker 3: you've got too many matches that are should be a
Speaker 3: handicap match that aren't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say it's only the women's division.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of aw because they put on
Speaker 1: longer matches. That is, you know, you end up putting
Speaker 1: on matches where Leo Rush goes like fifteen minutes against
Speaker 1: That was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: But I get it from what they did it for
Speaker 3: because you know, they wanted to showcase Shelton's ability.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic match, and I guess there's
Speaker 1: just like an element of just suspending your disbelief. You
Speaker 1: just want to watch a good wrestling match. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: maybe more equal than it should be, but.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm with Leo you. I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 3: I don't think you were here for that kills and
Speaker 3: started calling him Riho Rush.
Speaker 4: I tell you what, in the a w Leo.
Speaker 3: Rush versus Riho would be the greatest match you could
Speaker 3: ever see.
Speaker 4: It literally would be a great match.
Speaker 1: Reminds me. I guess Marco Stunt retired apparently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something about it or some injury to back
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah yeah, Nett, I cut you off. I
Speaker 1: think you're about to say something.
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna agree. I would like to see
Speaker 2: where they did a little bit more like wrestlers like wrestlers,
Speaker 2: and then change it up a little bit like One
Speaker 2: of the best matches I think I saw was when
Speaker 2: they did Danielson and Zach Saber Junior, two very good
Speaker 2: technical wrestlers.
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean that Danielson.
Speaker 2: Can't wrestle Mocks or Claudio or whoever else. But they
Speaker 2: had him with someone that really could match him at
Speaker 2: his skill level. And when they do the matches where
Speaker 2: they have somebody like Shelton Benjamin just beating up Leo
Speaker 2: Rush all the time, it's like you just have to
Speaker 2: really just suspend your belief. If they put Benjamin with
Speaker 2: someone who was one his skill level and then he
Speaker 2: had a couple of matches with people that were not
Speaker 2: his size and his skill set, it would be a
Speaker 2: little more interesting for the average person to catch just
Speaker 2: out there every week beating up everybody. Claudio's swinging everyone.
Speaker 5: Around all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, get someone equal to them a
Speaker 2: little bit, give us a little bit of a challenge
Speaker 2: and make us want to see the matches.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't see this on Rampage, but apparently they
Speaker 1: had Commander versus Leo Rush, and that kind of makes
Speaker 1: me think of like what you're talking about. You actually
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to win that, right a Leo,
Speaker 1: but apparently Commander got a rare victory in that match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like everybody talks about the Leo Rush
Speaker 3: Shelton Benjamin match, but I think that the match between
Speaker 3: uh just the past Wednesday last week with Shelton and
Speaker 3: UH Swerve, that was an amazing match. That Mask guys too,
Speaker 3: That was a perfect example what you're saying that you
Speaker 3: know it you guys on level and you could you
Speaker 3: could that mass could have went that that mass could
Speaker 3: have went for days and no one would have been
Speaker 3: surprised because you know, they were they were what they were.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that's that's great because
Speaker 3: Shelton Benjamin brings that something that you know, there's he
Speaker 3: brings something to a w that there's a few people
Speaker 3: can do. And that's go with guys like Swerve and
Speaker 3: you know, and that's the thing about it. And and
Speaker 3: like you know, now with Bobby there, it's going to
Speaker 3: get crazy.
Speaker 2: I just don't want to see Bobby actually coming out
Speaker 2: every week beating everyone up. Just give him some challenge.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, he's got to get his mask against
Speaker 4: Rush Leo, so you have that, I know, the h
Speaker 4: maybe Leo earn himself a title, get a shot at
Speaker 4: TNT title or something.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe he Yeah, you know, because you.
Speaker 2: Don't have to you know, you don't have to beat
Speaker 2: everyone up all the time. And also I love my wrestlers.
Speaker 2: I have all my favorite wrestlers, But realistically, I don't
Speaker 2: think everyone has to win everything all the time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's some of these guys just non stop winning,
Speaker 2: and then there's just non stop losing.
Speaker 5: You know. It's it's okay to lose a match or two.
Speaker 2: It makes it more believable, and it's okay for the
Speaker 2: underdog to win. And you know, I'm tired of you know,
Speaker 2: everybody just coming out and just it's like, Okay, they're
Speaker 2: gonna win again. You know, here we go with the
Speaker 2: roll up, here we go with the with the orange punch,
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 5: With the European upper cut all over again.
Speaker 6: You know, it's a common yeah, you know, so that
Speaker 6: I think that maybe Danielson a little bit more exciting
Speaker 6: because he had.
Speaker 5: He had his moves, but he always.
Speaker 2: Kind of brought something a little bit different every time,
Speaker 2: and it seemed like he brought something different out in
Speaker 2: each of his opponents that you weren't always expecting to see.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, we'll see what happens next.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, let's let's try to talk about another topic
Speaker 1: that I have. There we had some recent ww WWE releases,
Speaker 1: not particularly big names, but we had Keegan Knocks, Indye Heartwell,
Speaker 1: and Baron Corbin. Of these three names, I can't say
Speaker 1: I'm too familiar with the two female wrestlers. I think
Speaker 1: Tiga Knox wrestled on the indies as like EV before.
Speaker 1: I know Indy Hartwell was part of a group in
Speaker 1: NXT he. I think both of them got called up
Speaker 1: to the main roster and didn't do a whole lot,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of why they're being released. Then Baron Corbin,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I think everyone's always hated in WWE,
Speaker 1: but a part of me would be interested in seeing
Speaker 1: a guy like that in ww in AEW because he's
Speaker 1: the guy that can do promos, he can be a character,
Speaker 1: and he's big. He just look huge against a lot
Speaker 1: of these AEW guys, and I just think that there
Speaker 1: would be some interest in me seeing him in WWE.
Speaker 1: I know in the past NJF in him have kind
Speaker 1: of had some like Twitter bromance stuff, talking with how
Speaker 1: much they love each other's work.
Speaker 3: If Corbyn comes in, if they bring Corbin in, I
Speaker 3: would like to see him get involved with Callus's group
Speaker 3: because you talk about him being a big guy. I
Speaker 3: think it would fit with Callous's new bigger guy group
Speaker 3: that he's now got. The family there now is huge.
Speaker 3: You know, he's got he's got he's got the.
Speaker 4: R O H TV title holder, and he's got.
Speaker 3: All the big guys that are in that one group.
Speaker 4: He would fit in there.
Speaker 3: Teaking knocks I think would be a great addition to
Speaker 3: the women's division because what I did see of her
Speaker 3: when she was in NXT. I think the one thing
Speaker 3: I remember seeing her she got she got beat up,
Speaker 3: her knee taken out in one of their like uh
Speaker 3: war games matches they had back in a few years ago.
Speaker 3: She was hurt and her friend turned on her. I
Speaker 3: think that was teaging or it might have been teaging eternal,
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 4: But she's not a bad wrestler.
Speaker 3: She would definitely add depth to the aw women's division.
Speaker 3: I don't know the other girl. I've never seen her
Speaker 3: that I know of, So you know, but I don't
Speaker 3: really like Corbyn because every time I've ever seen him
Speaker 3: in WWE, he always played the arrogant I'm better than
Speaker 3: everybody else when he really wasn't.
Speaker 4: So you know, but I don't know. I think if
Speaker 4: he came in, he would make a good addition to
Speaker 4: Kallis's group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of. I'm just imagining a situation where he's,
Speaker 1: you know, with MJF and he's kind of like Wardlow
Speaker 1: except on mjf's level, like they're both you know, just
Speaker 1: dicks together. Basically, that could.
Speaker 3: Be an interesting group to put him with MJF and
Speaker 3: Wardlow with k Cole.
Speaker 4: Very interesting.
Speaker 5: That has more or more scheduled to come back.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, because you know, I.
Speaker 4: Know he's been backstage, just like uh.
Speaker 3: Will Hobbs has been backstage, but they don't say anything
Speaker 3: about him.
Speaker 1: Like he was backstage, not showing on camera or anything.
Speaker 5: Yeahs backstage.
Speaker 4: But I'm kind of thinking that Tony is using this to.
Speaker 3: He leads those reports that they're backstage to give people
Speaker 3: idea that they might be coming, just to keep the
Speaker 3: interest there, you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean speaking of keeping interest?
Speaker 2: Seriously, I know I advocate for Dan Housen to come
Speaker 2: back a lot. Does anyone think that he's seriously ever
Speaker 2: going to be that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: No, and he has the wrong friend. That's what it
Speaker 3: all comes down to he's got the wrong friend.
Speaker 5: Well, a lot of people are friends mat.
Speaker 1: Apparently like FTR. They go on and on about how
Speaker 1: good friends they are with him, right.
Speaker 3: But I think what happened was when the whole situation
Speaker 3: went down, Dan Housen kind of was I mean a
Speaker 3: lot of people who were friends with the cmpunk kind
Speaker 3: of like kept it on the down low at that
Speaker 3: time and didn't really say, you know, back punk or whatever,
Speaker 3: and Dan Housen kind of did, and he kind of
Speaker 3: got on the bad side of Tony at the time.
Speaker 3: And I think Tony's holding a grudge, at least that's.
Speaker 4: What I've heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's making a lot of money off merchandise sales,
Speaker 2: but that's about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean, mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: He's working some independence, isn't he.
Speaker 2: I not too long ago, and he's on GCW quite
Speaker 2: a bit. But I just wondered if he was just
Speaker 2: seriously just done over there.
Speaker 1: And I think they they love selling dan Housen merch though,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Like if you look at aw they were
Speaker 1: selling a dan Housen box like a mystery box. They're
Speaker 1: selling like dan Housen like wrestle Buddy thing now yeah,
Speaker 1: he seems to be one of their biggest merch movers
Speaker 1: for a guy that hasn't been on TV and just
Speaker 1: about a year now. I think last time was like
Speaker 1: right after Halloween.
Speaker 5: M h god, it's been a while. It's been quite
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tony and Lee Rush made up, so I
Speaker 2: figured there might be hope for Dan Housen.
Speaker 3: But maybe, I mean, you know, it's one of the
Speaker 3: things that it's kind of like with Leo, the same
Speaker 3: thing with Dan Housen.
Speaker 4: Dan Housen is not a big guy, so right now,
Speaker 4: there's not a whole.
Speaker 3: Lot of smaller people in a W that he could
Speaker 3: really you know what I mean without suspending your you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: without without without thinking about you know, he could go
Speaker 3: up against uh, he go up against Orange Cassidy and
Speaker 3: a couple other guys that I could think of that
Speaker 3: are down to his size. But Dan Housen is a
Speaker 3: great wrestler, but I don't think he fits with.
Speaker 4: A W right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as a wrestler.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like he could if he was there and
Speaker 1: just buddies with Orange Cassidy and he could wrestle a
Speaker 1: tag match with him and lose to better people and
Speaker 1: people would just love to see him. He's the kind
Speaker 1: of guy I could just lose matches and you're just
Speaker 1: happy you got to see Dan Housen.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they could fit him in. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on there.
Speaker 2: I just I just wonder so I can try to
Speaker 2: leave Dan Housen in the past, so.
Speaker 3: On the back burner for now. Never know, leave maryl
Speaker 3: Low heat he might come in handy later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm true, you never know. There's a lot of wrestlers.
Speaker 2: That are like, like, whould we just say Warlow?
Speaker 5: Who's you know?
Speaker 2: And and Will Hobbs and uh that i'd like to
Speaker 2: see more of. I'd like to see more of thunder Rosa.
Speaker 2: So you know that they're there, but they're not there.
Speaker 5: If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So you know, and I'm really interested to know where
Speaker 2: this this whole Mocksley cut.
Speaker 5: Kind of thing is going.
Speaker 2: But I know it needs to go somewhere because I
Speaker 2: think that was you Sutton that's pointed out before. Aw
Speaker 2: Head honchos have a habit of drawing things out and
Speaker 2: it makes you lose interest.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about with Moxley is and the thing
Speaker 3: they're doing is he's he's making it seem like he's
Speaker 3: trying to change what's going on in aew and he's
Speaker 3: his biggest thing he said so far, that he's been
Speaker 3: saying over and over again is the fact that he's
Speaker 3: tired of these guys who are getting by without doing
Speaker 3: anything and are just coasting. And that's basically what he's
Speaker 3: wanted to do. And he's talked about wanting to get
Speaker 3: the younger guys involved more, which he's done. I mean,
Speaker 3: everything that that Maxley has said he wants to have happened,
Speaker 3: he's been doing. But he's been doing it in such
Speaker 3: a way that everybody got this. He's an evil guy,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's he's a bully and all this
Speaker 3: other stuff, which is great because I think it's I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna come to a head in the middle
Speaker 3: of the next month because I think we'll get you
Speaker 3: out of the way and then they'll be in the.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's gonna be tough to do the.
Speaker 3: Tournament again in December when you got this kind of
Speaker 3: stuff going on, so they may have to do something
Speaker 3: to end it, or kind of diet down for a
Speaker 3: little while or something. But it's it's to me, it's
Speaker 3: been fun because I love to see what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wonder why don't we start getting into
Speaker 1: some dynamite matches. We have Orange, Cassidy and Darby Allen
Speaker 1: versus Claudio casting only in Park, and that's got to
Speaker 1: play into this. Yeah, this stuff going on because.
Speaker 3: Orange is the guy, since Orange is the first guy
Speaker 3: that's gonna challenge Moxley. Yes, only gonna be It's gonna
Speaker 3: be Orange versus every combination you can think of except
Speaker 3: from Moxley until full gear. We're assuming we've talked about
Speaker 3: this before, and I think you were there when we
Speaker 3: talked about Alex. We assume that it's gonna be Darby
Speaker 3: who is the winner of the beat down that ends
Speaker 3: up destroying Moxley or ending Moxley's ring. We assume that
Speaker 3: it's gonna be Derby.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But there's so many different ways to go. But you know,
Speaker 3: Darby really wasn't involved for almost a month, and they
Speaker 3: got into a couple of things last week, and now
Speaker 3: he's gonna be in this match. I think they're keeping
Speaker 3: Derby on the side because they don't want to get
Speaker 3: him involved in it too much, because it's not the
Speaker 3: build up how they want the build up to go.
Speaker 3: They want to get Orange done and then possibly somebody
Speaker 3: else and then bring in Darby. That's just how I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna go.
Speaker 4: But you're right. I mean it's gonna keep going. I told.
Speaker 3: It's like when they first started doing this. I told
Speaker 3: and Kelsen was like, I can't handle if this is
Speaker 3: going to do this every week, I said, get used
Speaker 3: to it, because it's gonna happen every week. Because if
Speaker 3: you're gonna keep this storyline going, they have to beat
Speaker 3: people down every week. If you don't, people are gonna go, Okay,
Speaker 3: well what's this got to do.
Speaker 4: Now? What happened?
Speaker 3: It's done, and they're gonna lose interest by keeping it
Speaker 3: active and keeping this battle line drawn.
Speaker 4: You keep it going whatever. Sane McMahon that everything, and
Speaker 4: I honestly is coming whatever.
Speaker 1: I feel like if he didn't show up right when
Speaker 1: Moxley won the title, then he's probably not. That's probably
Speaker 1: not what this is about.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Honestly, if you've ever seen Shane McMahon and any of
Speaker 3: his character work has nothing to do with this kind
Speaker 3: of thing. And if Shane was going to come in
Speaker 3: as a part of one of the storylines that have
Speaker 3: been going on, It would have been more likely him
Speaker 3: to come in as the elite because he's always his
Speaker 3: characters aren't necessarily Daddy's you know, Daddy's boy, but he's
Speaker 3: always been kind of the like upper management kind of guy,
Speaker 3: and he fights in that kind of situation. So putting
Speaker 3: him in this, this role as Moxley's backer, Moxley's whipping
Speaker 3: boy or whatever, you know, this this doesn't fit for him.
Speaker 5: Have you all?
Speaker 2: Have you all noticed that Wheeler Yuda has been dressing
Speaker 2: exactly like Brian Danielson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so is Max.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not exactly like I mean, like the same
Speaker 2: shirt color, the same pants color. Every single time he's
Speaker 2: out there, Wheeler Yuda is dressed exactly like Danielson.
Speaker 4: He's paying tribute to Danielson.
Speaker 5: He's doing something.
Speaker 2: It's it's just very strange the story they're trying to tell.
Speaker 2: I can't quite catch on to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like what they're doing with Wheeler da.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't. You can't act like Wheeler da
Speaker 1: is just this tough guy that's on the same level
Speaker 1: as them, and and they don't. They're smart about it.
Speaker 1: They're they're still using him as you know, human bait
Speaker 1: basically against well.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be kicked from the group
Speaker 3: before it's over. I think I think, like last week
Speaker 3: they put the chair around his neck Drew O Orae Cassidy.
Speaker 3: I think before it's over, you're just gonna be the
Speaker 3: he's gonna get cut from the group.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 3: You know, that could be too, but yeah, I think
Speaker 3: one way or the other, he's going to be out.
Speaker 3: And actually that might be how they kind of get
Speaker 3: the win in the end, is that you just turns
Speaker 3: on him because you know, as long as well as
Speaker 3: everybody else does that. Once OC loses, he's not staying
Speaker 3: out of it, you know, and they beat him, unless
Speaker 3: they beat him enough that he can't work for months,
Speaker 3: then yeah, that might do it. But I think he's
Speaker 3: gonna stick around in it. I think he's going to
Speaker 3: back Darby and maybe he'll turn and you know, like
Speaker 3: you said, we might see a ringing of the best friends.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only one where the hell is Chuck?
Speaker 3: Where the hell is uh, what's his name?
Speaker 4: Not Chuck? I can't where the hell is he at?
Speaker 1: He got hurt, I guess because he joined the Don
Speaker 1: Kallas family and then he's gone got hurt. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Orange caught Cassidy hurt him. Oh but yeah, he just
Speaker 1: got hurt and they kind of had unfortunately sideline that story.
Speaker 1: I I enjoyed that stuff, but it's kind of like
Speaker 1: that Adam Cole stuff. You know, now when he comes
Speaker 1: back too much, other stuff has happened and you can't
Speaker 1: really go back to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you never know. He could come back as
Speaker 3: a as part of the best friends again.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 5: Who else do we have tomorrow night?
Speaker 1: So we have I'm really interested in this. It's can
Speaker 1: I stay Takeshta and Kyle Fletcher versus Rickashet and a
Speaker 1: mystery partner. Just to mention Kyle Fletcher, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys watched Collision, but him and Commander just
Speaker 1: had a crazy, such a good match.
Speaker 4: They had a.
Speaker 1: Match a long time ago in Ring of Honor that
Speaker 1: was phenomenal, So they have like spectacular chemistry. That match
Speaker 1: was amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Somebody somebody mentioned this on one of the A subreddits
Speaker 3: or one of the one of the subreddits, and they
Speaker 3: said it might be somebody from his partner, might be
Speaker 3: somebody from the New Japan United Kingdom, because the United
Speaker 3: Kingdoms exists in New Japan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3: Can't remember it was one of It was either Jeff
Speaker 3: Cobb or somebody else, and I can't remember who the
Speaker 3: other person was.
Speaker 1: But uh oh, t j P. That would that would
Speaker 1: make sense because he has he has a match coming
Speaker 1: up versus to Castle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and is because you know Osprey. That's the weird
Speaker 3: thing about New Japan and a W. They always have
Speaker 3: these groups that are like crossovers, but they don't necessarily
Speaker 3: keep with it because like you had a Kata and
Speaker 3: Cassidy and the best friends were all part of.
Speaker 4: New Japan.
Speaker 3: But then when they come over here, they don't. They
Speaker 3: don't only knowledge those ties anymore. And it doesn't make
Speaker 3: any sense because when.
Speaker 4: They go back to New Japan they're part of the
Speaker 4: group again.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that if they do bring in TJP or
Speaker 3: Cobb or somebody from United Empire, that they actually come
Speaker 3: in for a little while and work with Will too,
Speaker 3: and maybe Davis since he's back, and kind of work
Speaker 3: on Kyle Fletcher to get his hass out of the
Speaker 3: Don Kallis family and back on normal human sanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kyle Fletcher has been so good as
Speaker 1: this member of the don Kylis family the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: He's really like found himself as a character because before
Speaker 1: he was just kind of the generic guy that was
Speaker 1: part of don Kallis family. But you know, he had
Speaker 1: no personality beyond that.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, with the don Kylis family, they kind of
Speaker 3: ran out of people to use because either he was
Speaker 3: kicking people out or they were leaving him, and it
Speaker 3: was just down to at one point in time, it
Speaker 3: was just down to Takeshta and you know, they didn't really.
Speaker 4: Have a whole group there anymore.
Speaker 3: So they kind of gave Kyle Fletcher a chance to
Speaker 3: show what he can do, which everybody knew he could
Speaker 3: do it anyway. It wasn't like it was something that
Speaker 3: was that callus brought out. It just gave him the
Speaker 3: opportunity to bring out. And I really like the storyline.
Speaker 3: I just hope it goes you know, they don't just
Speaker 3: keease it a few more times and then it just drops.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, especially for Mark Davis if he you know,
Speaker 1: if he's not teaming up with Kyle Fletcher, he seems
Speaker 1: like he will have a tougher time as a singles
Speaker 1: wrestler to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he could always team up with Will for
Speaker 3: a little while. Mm hm, I mean because you know
Speaker 3: they can. I mean Will doesn't. Will's the kind of
Speaker 3: guy that can do just about anything, anytime, anywhere, and
Speaker 3: people you know he's gonna have. He doesn't have any
Speaker 3: titles anymore. He's kind of being a beat up by
Speaker 3: a group and it's just him at the moment. So
Speaker 3: you know, bringing in Davis and possibly someone from New Japan,
Speaker 3: especially since they seem to be working towards Russell Dynasty,
Speaker 3: this would be a good opportunity to bring in and
Speaker 3: outside a New Japan character for the United Kingdom to
Speaker 3: work with aw up until that point, and you could
Speaker 3: see a you could see this materialize into a United
Speaker 3: Kingdom versus Don Kallis type thing at Russell Dynasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and that would be amazing. It's noticeable
Speaker 1: that Will Osprey is being kept basically completely apart from
Speaker 1: all the John Moxley stuff.
Speaker 5: Maybe he's the brains behind the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Well maybe in philosopher y, not that he's dumb or anything,
Speaker 1: but he's just not like the cerebral type of guy.
Speaker 3: But you honestly you got to keep people separated. You
Speaker 3: can't have everybody involved in it. Then it becomes the
Speaker 3: black and white nWo and nobody wants to see that again.
Speaker 1: It's true, but like looking at it, you know, the
Speaker 1: conglomerations involved, Adam Cole's kind of sort of been part
Speaker 1: of some of the stuff that they've done.
Speaker 3: You've got you've got the conglomeration, and you've got Order,
Speaker 3: and you've got Top Flight.
Speaker 1: And Private Party.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and he's part of he's kind of part
Speaker 3: of top or not top flight, but private Party. He's
Speaker 3: been saying, you know, he's been talking with those guys
Speaker 3: and I got you back. So you've got four different groups.
Speaker 1: And the elite has kind of been in all.
Speaker 4: But they've been like hands off.
Speaker 3: So you know, there's there's a lot of That's the
Speaker 3: whole thing that's so awesome about this is there's so
Speaker 3: many different ways this could go and you don't know
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen. You know, we can sit here and say,
Speaker 3: you know, the elite's gonna take a few weeks off,
Speaker 3: then Kenny and them are gonna come back.
Speaker 4: They're gonna reform the.
Speaker 3: Elite, and then they're gonna take out Moxley, because I've
Speaker 3: seen a lot of people say they think that it's
Speaker 3: gonna be Omega that takes out Moxley. I don't think so,
Speaker 3: because it will be months before Kenny's at the level
Speaker 3: that he would want to be, not not that he
Speaker 3: needs to be, but he would want to be to
Speaker 3: go up a guy against a guy like Moxley, because
Speaker 3: you don't recover from the things that Kenny's been through
Speaker 3: and take six to eight months of rehab to try
Speaker 3: to get back into shape to just come in and
Speaker 3: go I'm back and I'm gonna kick Marxley's ass.
Speaker 4: No one's gonna buy that, and and that's not an
Speaker 4: Omegae thing. I think that.
Speaker 3: I think that's who his first person he will go
Speaker 3: up against will be Okada.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 1: I think so. Do you think when? When do you
Speaker 1: think that match would happen.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I don't think he's going to have a
Speaker 3: match in ad w before Dynasty, which is only two
Speaker 3: months away.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like it's the end of the world.
Speaker 4: It's going to be another two months.
Speaker 3: I think it will either happen at Grand Slam, in
Speaker 3: the Grand Slam in Australia, or whatever pay per views
Speaker 3: the next one after that, because I figure once wrestled
Speaker 3: Dynasty happens, then Omega.
Speaker 4: I think that once he has that match there, he'll
Speaker 4: come back.
Speaker 3: And it might even be the fact where they bring
Speaker 3: the Delite will come back at that time and they'll
Speaker 3: be like, you know, we're gonna have this, We're gonna oh, Anyboddy,
Speaker 3: we'll come back. We're so glad you're back in there,
Speaker 3: and he's not gonna forgive them, and they're gonna have
Speaker 3: some issues. Then that will finish it and they'll get
Speaker 3: back together, and then it will be Ocada will be
Speaker 3: left out of that.
Speaker 4: And won't be part.
Speaker 3: Of the Elite anymore. Maybe he'll be a twin or
Speaker 3: maybe he'll be a face, but it's hard to tell.
Speaker 3: That's just it's just the way it seems to be
Speaker 3: working out for me.
Speaker 5: Right this. He just kind of.
Speaker 1: All their documents, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And him. A lot of people think that that.
Speaker 3: The kid's gonna go to team up with Jack Perry,
Speaker 3: is going to team up with.
Speaker 4: Max. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's what's gonna happen, which will even on
Speaker 3: his own, and then he will either figure out to
Speaker 3: either turn face again or be a heel.
Speaker 4: Still Jack Perry his own.
Speaker 5: I think his term is turned. He just wants to
Speaker 5: be out there by himself decay.
Speaker 2: If anything, I don't I almost think that he was
Speaker 2: in this, that he was too much in the shadow
Speaker 2: of the Young Necks.
Speaker 4: It seems in the shadow of Young Bucks.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I don't really see Jack Perry is
Speaker 2: really being strong and and coming out on his own.
Speaker 5: I mean, did you see he heard his own championship,
Speaker 5: how much more.
Speaker 1: So he was given well I guess he was not
Speaker 1: given it. He did win it, but basically given it
Speaker 1: by the Young Bucks. That's true. Metallurgy. Yeah, he's been great.
Speaker 1: It does seem like he could be Wheeler Yuda's replacement
Speaker 1: in the Just Taking or whatever they are. He definitely
Speaker 1: fits a lot more.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean in the in the last attack,
Speaker 3: when the Bucks had that match they came off the
Speaker 3: off the thing before they lost the titles the match
Speaker 3: before that, he was the one that came out and
Speaker 3: when it showed the Bucks, the Bucks kind of looked
Speaker 3: like they might have wanted to do something, but he
Speaker 3: had his arm around both of their next patting them
Speaker 3: on his chest, saying, come on, guys, we got to go,
Speaker 3: and it's it's like Perry's keeping them from doing what
Speaker 3: they want to do.
Speaker 4: And that was kind of the first time the Bucks
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 3: He showed a little bit of possibility of wanting to
Speaker 3: get involved, but I did. What it's going to come
Speaker 3: down to with the Bucks is they're going to be like, look, y'all,
Speaker 3: ain't taken over our company. You work here, it's our company.
Speaker 3: We're the ones that started this place.
Speaker 4: You didn't. So I think that's what's going to turn
Speaker 4: the Bucks around eventually.
Speaker 1: Maybe mm hmm. Yeah, it would be interesting because like
Speaker 1: it kind of makes me think, you know, you get
Speaker 1: Omega involved at some point and the Bucks come out
Speaker 1: to help Omega against Moxley. But again, like you said,
Speaker 1: I don't really see Omega being involved, but maybe they
Speaker 1: come out to help private party or someone else that
Speaker 1: you know they've had some.
Speaker 5: You, So there's that figure.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It seems like Adam Page. I think him
Speaker 1: and Jack Perry would It would be interesting who is
Speaker 1: more evil Jack.
Speaker 4: Perry, bet On Perry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Adam. Adam Page seems like he has
Speaker 1: a shred of the old Adam Page in there. Jack
Speaker 1: Perry is gone.
Speaker 3: He just needs someone to fix him. Apparent that one
Speaker 3: of Omega's old nicknames was the Fixer.
Speaker 5: The fixer, I know he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it wasn't him.
Speaker 3: I was thinking somebody had to name the fixer. But
Speaker 3: maybe it was the cleaner, was what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is what's so awesome about a
Speaker 3: w UP. Until this year, they really did seem to
Speaker 3: struggle with stories, and you know, it was great to
Speaker 3: watch because every match they put on was pretty good
Speaker 3: and they never had problem with pay per views.
Speaker 4: But now in the last.
Speaker 3: Since the beginning of the year, they've really turned around
Speaker 3: their their their main shows.
Speaker 4: Because I look forward to watching aw dynam I I
Speaker 4: look forward to watching Collision.
Speaker 3: I sometimes watch Rampage if I'm not doing anything else,
Speaker 3: but usually I don't watch Rampage because they usually don't
Speaker 3: have very many good matches on the many important matches
Speaker 3: on there. But I hardly ever miss uh the other two. Ever,
Speaker 3: I try to never miss Rampage or Dynamite and Collision
Speaker 3: because it's just they're.
Speaker 4: Just getting to the point now where you never know
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And Collision has gotten a lot more story
Speaker 1: stuff like just having Moxley there last ye week.
Speaker 4: And that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: You know, people were saying that this is getting repetitive
Speaker 3: and everything else, but it's the story of the time
Speaker 3: and it's working to make everything. There's so many ways
Speaker 3: that this could go and so many questions about what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, he's gonna come out and they're gonna beat
Speaker 3: somebody up.
Speaker 4: But is this gonna be the time?
Speaker 3: Is this gonna be the time where they come out
Speaker 3: and beat somebody up and they get their asses kicked?
Speaker 1: Because it's always it's the same thing, but it's different.
Speaker 1: Like they had on Dynamite, they put Wheeler You to
Speaker 1: as human bait, right, We're gonna break his neck with
Speaker 1: the chair. Then on Collision, Moxley like made Wheeler You
Speaker 1: to go fight Orange Cassidy, and Orange Cassidy got the
Speaker 1: upper hand. Like you know, it's the same idea, but
Speaker 1: there's different developments. And yeah, I've really enjoyed it every time.
Speaker 3: And what I think is gonna be even more interesting
Speaker 3: is I don't think AEW is going to succeed until
Speaker 3: they start doing a little bit of a culling of
Speaker 3: the flock. They're gonna have to start taking people out
Speaker 3: one at a time. They're gonna have to get in
Speaker 3: situations where they get you to separate him and beat
Speaker 3: the living crap out of him, or pack or you
Speaker 3: know mocks or you know Casio Castanol. They can't do
Speaker 3: it as one because they just they hit him and
Speaker 3: when they come out, they don't come out enough, and
Speaker 3: the death writers went off, and then when the rest
Speaker 3: of them come out, they leave.
Speaker 4: But if you can pick them off one at a time,
Speaker 4: you have a better shot at beating them.
Speaker 1: See if Orange Cassidy as the leader, if he can
Speaker 1: come up with a good plan for them.
Speaker 3: I love Orange Cassidy, but I don't know, man, I
Speaker 3: just don't see him as the leader here.
Speaker 4: It just seems too forced to me. Yeah, he took over.
Speaker 3: He's like, I gotta do this and I really don't
Speaker 3: want to, but I'm gonna do it because you're forcing
Speaker 3: me to.
Speaker 4: And it's just not Orange. I mean, he is great.
Speaker 3: I mean people complain about seeing do the same moves
Speaker 3: all the time, but it's not the moves and stuff
Speaker 3: that Orange does.
Speaker 4: It's what he brings to the ring. He brings that.
Speaker 3: Laid back I'm too cool for this kind of attitude and.
Speaker 4: The things he do. He does. You know, he's got the.
Speaker 3: Hands in the pockets and he does the rollover, and
Speaker 3: he does the drop kick like that, and he'll do
Speaker 3: the hip toss like that, and it's just unique and
Speaker 3: it's different and you don't see anybody else do that.
Speaker 3: So even if he's doing the same moves all the time,
Speaker 3: it's still a different match and it's still to me
Speaker 3: makes it fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me, I'm really excited for this title
Speaker 1: match because just having a big pay per view main
Speaker 1: event match where Orange Cassidy could possibly win the title. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like every pinfall is going to be so exciting. I
Speaker 1: don't think I win, but it's going to be great.
Speaker 3: It's too early for him to lose the title. But
Speaker 3: I don't even see it. I don't even see it.
Speaker 3: You could see this match going to a DQ because
Speaker 3: the death Writers come out and just literally destroy Orange.
Speaker 3: I mean that could be what it happens, and it
Speaker 3: then take Wait for me, it won't take away from
Speaker 3: the match because you know that that that Marx is
Speaker 3: gonna beat him. You know he's gonna beat him, But
Speaker 3: is he gonna beat him clean? Is Orange gonna get
Speaker 3: his kicks in. Is he gonna get his licks in?
Speaker 3: Is he gonna make you know? Is he gonna make
Speaker 3: Mockley earn it? Or is the Death Are the Death
Speaker 3: Riders gonna come out and just literally tear him apart?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So it's one of those things where, you know, That's
Speaker 3: what's been the difference in ad W over the last
Speaker 3: six to nine months is they've started to getting to
Speaker 3: that point where, yeah, you know, a lot of the
Speaker 3: matches you see on TV, you know what's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: but they're great matches. But when it comes to some
Speaker 3: of the pay per view you're sitting and going, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, this could necessarily be where Orange could surprise him.
Speaker 4: I don't think he will, but he could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then there could be moments where, you know,
Speaker 1: two point nine second pinfall, Orange Cassidy's you know, you
Speaker 1: think you can win it, and then John Moxley kicks
Speaker 1: out right at the last second, and that's wrestling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know they're both going to bleed. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a bloody match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's exciting.
Speaker 3: I think Tomorrow night the one I'm looking the most
Speaker 3: forward to though, is gonna be the Malachi Black.
Speaker 4: Versus Adam Cole. I think that's gonna be one hell
Speaker 4: of a match. I really do. I'm kind of disappointed.
Speaker 3: I know that that Cole is gonna most likely win
Speaker 3: because of the three in a row, although there is
Speaker 3: time for him to lose to Malachi and still get
Speaker 3: three wins before the paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I will be very disappointed if Malachi
Speaker 1: Black loses to Adam Cole. I was disappointed that Adam
Speaker 1: Cole beat by Matthews. I love the House of Black.
Speaker 1: Malachi Black is also you know, he barely loses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels wrong to just let Adam Cole win this match.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say so. Like
Speaker 1: Adam Cole when when he was facing Buddy Matthews, the
Speaker 1: crowd was like more behind Buddy Matthews, and I think
Speaker 1: the crowd is going to probably be even more behind
Speaker 1: Malachi Black in this match. Like Adam Cole, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing with him, but he's he seems
Speaker 1: pretty helish to me right now. Well, I think if
Speaker 1: he wins this match, he's going to be more hated
Speaker 1: by the crowd than he did going into it in my.
Speaker 4: Opinion, Yeah, that could be.
Speaker 3: True, but I think this is that I think this
Speaker 3: is a a thing that the that the House of
Speaker 3: Black is actually trying to make it to bring out
Speaker 3: the Adam Cole from WWE instead of Adam Cole. We've
Speaker 3: had an a w because that was the whole thing
Speaker 3: behind Buddy Matthews last week, is he wasn't trying to
Speaker 3: beat him. He was trying to get cold to wrestle
Speaker 3: like Adam Cole, and he did. And I think that
Speaker 3: that Malaka and I got a feeling for some reason
Speaker 3: when Malachi appeared in the ring in shake Shocky's hand.
Speaker 4: I think they might be.
Speaker 3: Kind of I don't want to say grooming coal for
Speaker 3: the House of Black, but there might be an invitation
Speaker 3: when this is all said and done, for Adam Cole
Speaker 3: to become part of House of Black.
Speaker 1: You would be weird in the House of Black and
Speaker 1: it would be a weird visual.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just I don't know what it is. It's
Speaker 4: just some reason, it seems.
Speaker 3: And I could be wrong on that because I love
Speaker 3: House of Black and I love everything Malachi Black does
Speaker 3: because him and I our philosophies on life. Kind of
Speaker 3: his character, and even not his character, but he's like
Speaker 3: that in real life. I mean, that's Malanchy Black lives
Speaker 3: that kind of lifestyle and we kind of share a lot.
Speaker 4: Of the same things and view of the world and
Speaker 4: what we do.
Speaker 1: And I know he had a weird upbringing, like I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was like grew up around a
Speaker 1: cult or like something from religious group.
Speaker 3: He's from Amsterdam and he's he's of the he's of
Speaker 3: the spiritual religion, I believe, and and that's what he
Speaker 3: brings to his character. And that's something he really didn't
Speaker 3: get to do a whole lot of in WWE. I
Speaker 3: mean he did, but not like he can now. And
Speaker 3: it's I remember somebody was they were doing a show
Speaker 3: and it was a podcast, and they asked him. I
Speaker 3: am not going to talk about what the question was,
Speaker 3: but it was something that happened in Amsterdam. There was
Speaker 3: a story of that someone was talking about that happened
Speaker 3: in Amsterdam, and they ought even on the podcast to
Speaker 3: ask him if that was possible.
Speaker 4: And I was dying because it was hilarious.
Speaker 3: And I can't tell you what it is because it's
Speaker 3: an adult type entertainment kind of question that they were
Speaker 3: talking about. It was hilarious though, because he came on
Speaker 3: and he talked just like you know, you knew he
Speaker 3: was that he knew it was Alista or he was
Speaker 3: Alistair Black, you knew he was or Malachi and it
Speaker 3: was It was great. But you know, I've always like
Speaker 3: there's there's certain guys that came from WWE, like Shelton
Speaker 3: Benjamin and Malachi Black and you know, guys do who
Speaker 3: have come over and have been able to build on
Speaker 3: their character. Now with the the House of Black, they
Speaker 3: really haven't gotten a push that I think they should have.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But you're right, Alistair Hard Malachi hardly ever loses when
Speaker 3: it's the singles match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they never got that push where like they are
Speaker 1: in the main event feud, Like, right, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to win the title, but at least you know he's
Speaker 1: there there there. Yeah, they get like a pay per
Speaker 1: view main event that would be great, and they can
Speaker 1: do all their spooky weird stuff that they do and
Speaker 1: showing up and and and they've been for a long
Speaker 1: long time at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have that, they have that thing about them
Speaker 3: they just do whenever.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's kind of like.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a little bit towards like the
Speaker 3: Undertaker when he would come out and you hear that
Speaker 3: ding ding, you know, you hear the death toll. You
Speaker 3: knew it was the Undertaker, and people would go crazy
Speaker 3: when the lights go out and you know the House
Speaker 3: of Black is coming in, people just get excited about it.
Speaker 3: And when, uh, when Julia comes back, if she ever
Speaker 3: gets to come back, she's just going to continue to
Speaker 3: add to that miss that that mystic, mysticism, that MYSTI that, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I really would like to see them get a
Speaker 3: serious push mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And I think this is the first time where it's
Speaker 1: you know, they're always kind of tweeters. Sometimes they're more
Speaker 1: heel than others, but they've been more on the good
Speaker 1: guys side of things recently. And and that's a good
Speaker 1: way to give them like a new push because now
Speaker 1: they're kind of a different now they confud with all
Speaker 1: the heels that they weren't before. Yeah, they need to
Speaker 1: do something with them. It would be amazing if there's
Speaker 1: a point where AW is getting their asses beaten by
Speaker 1: the death Riders and House Black comes out to join that.
Speaker 4: And because I was thinking the exact same thing just now.
Speaker 4: I was thinking that would be a great thing to see,
Speaker 4: is to have them be a part of that in
Speaker 4: some way.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's the trios titles there they can compete
Speaker 1: for that. They can take it off the death Riders,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense. I I don't know, but you know,
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan, it's up to him, and he he has
Speaker 1: shown that he does not know what to do with
Speaker 1: the House of Black.
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, that's I think the one match
Speaker 3: tomorrow night that that that I don't see a point.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I see a point for it.
Speaker 3: Is the the Penelope Ford and uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah that it's gonna be a good match. But I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: I like Penelope befored but she never wins the big match,
Speaker 3: it seems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess she was out for two years, but yeah,
Speaker 1: before that, she was like the mid card of the
Speaker 1: women's division, and back then the women's division was not
Speaker 1: nearly as good as it is now. So be interesting
Speaker 1: if she can look really good in this match versus
Speaker 1: Jamie Hayter, hopefully, But I you know, because they're having
Speaker 1: their match now on Dynamite, it makes me think they're
Speaker 1: probably not continuing this feud to a pay per view,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's just kind of a stepping zone for
Speaker 1: something else Jamie Hayter does, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: And Jamie, I mean, she's been back for a little
Speaker 3: while now and she really hasn't done anything.
Speaker 4: She's had a couple matches.
Speaker 3: The one match they pulled her out of because of Penelope, Yeah,
Speaker 3: she really wasn't involved in that, and she's had a
Speaker 3: couple of the matches, but she's not really been I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's a mental thing for her because
Speaker 3: she did she was out for a long time with injury. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we all know how that works, you know, you
Speaker 3: you especially when it's an upper body injury like and
Speaker 3: didn't she hurt her shoulder?
Speaker 4: I think that's what was wrong.
Speaker 3: With There's her shoulder was out and and if you
Speaker 3: get an injury like that, you can you can really
Speaker 3: you can really have issues coming back and getting back
Speaker 3: into it because if you if you do anything to
Speaker 3: tweak that you can it can really affect you mentally.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. I kind of feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: Jamie Hayter's kind of treading water because they kind of
Speaker 1: they have their two big women's feuds, the one for
Speaker 1: the TBS title the one for the woman's title, and
Speaker 1: she doesn't thick. She doesn't she's not in either of
Speaker 1: those right now, so she's kind of having this little
Speaker 1: mini feud until her time comes to be involved with
Speaker 1: one of those. But at the same time, doing it
Speaker 1: that way does kind of it feels like her momentum
Speaker 1: stalled since she came back at all in.
Speaker 3: Right, and then you've got Mina coming back. You get
Speaker 3: the announcement that she's coming, So now you've got her
Speaker 3: who is going to be involved with the world title somehow,
Speaker 3: some way. So it seems like Jamie she kind of
Speaker 3: fell victim to the same thing. She was out for
Speaker 3: a long time and when she left she was top dog.
Speaker 3: But when she comes back, she ain't quite there anymore
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of new faces and a lot
Speaker 3: of new people who have asserted themselves and got into bigger,
Speaker 3: better positions. Because Willa wasn't there, and Monette wasn't there,
Speaker 3: Camille wasn't there. You know, Julia and them were there,
Speaker 3: and Julie's been out, but you know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people who have bypassed her and to me, the
Speaker 3: longer that she is delayed getting back into the action
Speaker 3: of the bigger matches, Yeah, the harder it's going to
Speaker 3: be for her to get back into those matches because
Speaker 3: she's not making room for it. Look look at what
Speaker 3: happened with thunder Rosa. You know, thunder Rosa was for
Speaker 3: a long time. She's come back. She's had a few matches,
Speaker 3: but nothing of import you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: She's been against Deanna Parazza how many times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just been like the collision person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did that and I understand that, but
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to it's becoming a real.
Speaker 4: The best way I said, is the women's divisions become
Speaker 4: a real division.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, I love Jamie Hater.
Speaker 3: I just hope and pray to God they don't put
Speaker 3: her back with Britt Baker.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like Britt Baker, Yeah, and JF Jamie Hayter.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she could be in the same
Speaker 1: room as Adam Cole.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I kind of think that BRIT's time is done.
Speaker 4: They said she's been away.
Speaker 5: Her in.
Speaker 3: Former champ's been away because they're doing some show for
Speaker 3: Netflix or something. I'm not sure what it was. I
Speaker 3: saw was a quick thing about it, But you know,
Speaker 3: I have a feeling that.
Speaker 4: They don't really have a match for Mariah at the
Speaker 4: next pay per view, do they. They really don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a while away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got like three weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've started, i know, a collision maybe at
Speaker 1: the last Dynamite. They started to put out like these
Speaker 1: Tony Storm newspapers saying Tony Storm is missing. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: starting to get that going. I could see her showing
Speaker 1: up and setting up a match at full gear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's kind of what I'm figuring, is to
Speaker 3: give her a rematch and then maybe involved Mina in that,
Speaker 3: which would then give Mina the opportunity to get involved
Speaker 3: in the main event for the women's title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's.
Speaker 3: Sort of what people want, so, you know, and and
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting. I mean, that's a if they do
Speaker 3: it right, and they can resurrect a little bit of
Speaker 3: the momentum they had up until the point where Mariah
Speaker 3: turned on Tony, Yeah, because I think that's when I
Speaker 3: think that's when that whole storyline kind of started to
Speaker 3: die because they did it too soon.
Speaker 4: But if they can rest the momentum.
Speaker 1: You know, Mariah Ment was not I don't want to
Speaker 1: say she wasn't ready, but she kind of wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and her character was not connecting after that breakup. But
Speaker 1: right now I feel like Mariah May is really good,
Speaker 1: like she's kind of found her character. She's like super
Speaker 1: on anytime she's on TV, when she's on commentary, she's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Like I think now when Tony Storm comes up back,
Speaker 1: it will be a lot better than it was leading
Speaker 1: up to all.
Speaker 4: I hope.
Speaker 3: So because that was the that was the kind of
Speaker 3: to me, that was like the catalyst that kind of
Speaker 3: started a W down the right path because that was
Speaker 3: the at that time when that was going on, that
Speaker 3: was the best storyline they had ever done in a
Speaker 3: W men or women's side by far of the best.
Speaker 1: That that heel turn, like Mariah May, that's probably you know,
Speaker 1: it's got to be up there, if not the best
Speaker 1: heel turn in ae W.
Speaker 4: Like on them, but.
Speaker 1: Like the ramp grabbing her trophy and then just yeah,
Speaker 1: attacking Tony Storm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it was too early in that
Speaker 3: in that kind of killed they.
Speaker 4: It might have been too early, but it kind.
Speaker 1: Of because it was unexpected. You weren't expecting it yet,
Speaker 1: which made it so good. But it might have been
Speaker 1: too early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he should have went another week or
Speaker 3: two because they should have got closer to the time
Speaker 3: instead of because like you said, you know, at that time,
Speaker 3: Mara's character was not ready to be separated because Tony
Speaker 3: had all the momentum. Tony was still the champion and
Speaker 3: she had the momentum. And when they turned Maria.
Speaker 4: Like they at the time they did, didn't go over
Speaker 4: as well as it could have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but hey, they still I mean, it was still
Speaker 3: great and it got everything else started, because that was definitely,
Speaker 3: to me was the beginning of the Golden Era. I
Speaker 3: want to say, of aw because it has gotten so
Speaker 3: much better since then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Just like looking at you know,
Speaker 1: this card, just remembering some cards from like three or
Speaker 1: four or five months ago where you know, the biggest
Speaker 1: matches like Brian Cage versus someone for whatever, like matches
Speaker 1: that weren't meaningful and have story little storytelling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can think the only match and like you know,
Speaker 3: the heart, the hurt businesses or Hurt whatever the hell
Speaker 3: they're called, is going to.
Speaker 5: Be there they're gonna be there.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to face to face between uh Hook and.
Speaker 3: The patriarch, you know, and and of course you've got
Speaker 3: the I know, the match that Kelson is so looking
Speaker 3: forward to seeing where you've got the learning tree versus
Speaker 3: the conglomeration. You know, all three of those, even though
Speaker 3: they're not you know, it's one match and two stores
Speaker 3: and two segments have a story to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever happened, I'm sorry sentence. This makes me wonder
Speaker 2: whatever happened to the video tape with Hook?
Speaker 3: They they they didn't show the video, but it was
Speaker 3: it was Cage, It was Christian Cage and then that
Speaker 3: did it and Christian.
Speaker 4: The whole story is that Christian said it was for.
Speaker 3: A better, bigger cause and he didn't know what was,
Speaker 3: what happened, why it happened, and that's.
Speaker 4: What they left. So that show the video. Yeah, they're
Speaker 4: not going to show that video. That's what they're gonna confront.
Speaker 4: You know, they're gonna have a face to face tomorrow night,
Speaker 4: so they.
Speaker 1: Might explain what happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Like it because you know, there's the whole Kip Sabian angle.
Speaker 1: What what's going on with him? Like yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's things going on that you don't really.
Speaker 5: Know it's right.
Speaker 3: And then with like the Hert Syndicate, you know they're
Speaker 3: gonna come out and talk about Swerve.
Speaker 4: Now, we talked about it last week. Swerve needs a teammate.
Speaker 4: Who's it going to be? Is it gonna be Will Hobbs?
Speaker 4: Is it going to be you know, who's going to
Speaker 4: come out and help him? Because it's three on one
Speaker 4: that he's.
Speaker 1: Got EJ and Duka. I don't know what his name
Speaker 1: is in ae W. He was like an n XT
Speaker 1: guy and he's LW. He's been featured with Swerve like
Speaker 1: in a backstage video and I think we needed a
Speaker 1: way in, but he hasn't.
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, yeah, do you ever wrestled?
Speaker 1: Maybe in Ring of Honor or like the page or something,
Speaker 1: but never I don't think ever on dynamite or collision.
Speaker 3: But we were talking about, Uh, it being Will Hobbs
Speaker 3: would be a great thing for Will and they kind
Speaker 3: of have a little bit of a history.
Speaker 4: The other guy.
Speaker 1: If Will Hobbs shows up, he probably will betrace Weerve something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of thinking that too.
Speaker 3: Uh shoot hang man, not hang well, that was it was.
Speaker 4: We talked about how if you're gonna have.
Speaker 3: It would be the perfect opportunity for them to do
Speaker 3: a friend the enemies become friends kind of thing between
Speaker 3: Hangman and Swerve can hurt syndicate.
Speaker 4: Damn, I'm trying to think of it. I can't remember
Speaker 4: his name, praising his glory. What the hell is his name? Yeah,
Speaker 4: Keith Lee.
Speaker 3: Him and Swerve has a big different, big, big, big
Speaker 3: time because they were tag team partners that turned on
Speaker 3: each other. So Keith Lee could come out and help
Speaker 3: him and I don't know, But the problem with Keith
Speaker 3: Lee is I don't know if he's ever going to
Speaker 3: be able to wrestle again because what he's got wrong
Speaker 3: with him, he literally could die in the.
Speaker 1: Ring, you know what it is.
Speaker 4: It's a long issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And from what I heard about, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: because of what I have wrong with me, I paid
Speaker 3: tension of those kind of things. Sometimes it's like it's
Speaker 3: something that the reason he's otherwise healthy. But I don't
Speaker 3: think he can do anything like he used to, so
Speaker 3: that kinda is going to be a problem for him,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: So we may never see Keith Lee back in the ring. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is unfortunate because I.
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, I think guys like when you're that big,
Speaker 1: like they had Lucasaurus was out for a while with pneumonia, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know se whyat Brodie Lee, like these guys they had,
Speaker 1: you know, lung issues.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and you know that would that came
Speaker 3: out of nowhere and you know, and and it's just
Speaker 3: one of those things where it's it's it's not easy.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a heart condition, and I have
Speaker 3: exactly the same heart condition.
Speaker 4: That Triple H has. There's yes of heart failure.
Speaker 3: And what people don't understand about that is you look
Speaker 3: like a normal person, but my heart w puts out
Speaker 3: without the defibrillator that I have put in pacemaker. Defibrillator
Speaker 3: only puts out about twenty five percent of the blood.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have to base your life on twenty
Speaker 3: five percent of what you normally can do.
Speaker 4: And it's not easy. And people, you know, people look
Speaker 4: at it and go, well, you look perfectly fine.
Speaker 3: I look perfectly fine. Trade me life for a minute.
Speaker 3: And and with the with the lung thing, that's even
Speaker 3: worse because when you can't breathe, yeah, you're done, and
Speaker 3: especially when it's in wrestling, because even a five minute match,
Speaker 3: you're gonna breathe hard.
Speaker 4: I don't care how good in the shape you are,
Speaker 4: you're gonna breathe hard. So you know, it's a.
Speaker 3: Shame that you know that that with you know, Keith,
Speaker 3: It it's really sucks because he was one of my
Speaker 3: favorite guys that came over because like uh, you know,
Speaker 3: like Shelton and Bricochet a w W. You never used
Speaker 3: him right, and he had a good run when he
Speaker 3: was here until he got hurt and he's been out.
Speaker 4: He's been out probably two years, isn't it something like that?
Speaker 1: At least you know he he like Swerve injured in
Speaker 1: broke a cinder block over his chest. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: probably three or four years ago. He came back like briefly.
Speaker 1: I know, he had like a Ring of Honor match.
Speaker 1: I can't even remember who it was first, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he had maybe one or two matches and then he
Speaker 1: was just out again. Maybe just the same lung issue
Speaker 1: that kept him off for the first period of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's one of those things that they don't
Speaker 3: you don't recover from that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, my dad.
Speaker 3: He's got issues from his because he had undiagnosed COVID
Speaker 3: and he can't breathe hardly at all, and it's bad
Speaker 3: and he's never going to be better because there's nothing
Speaker 3: you can do to fix the lungs without getting a replacement. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I get athletes like these guys can get
Speaker 3: that done. But you know, it's it's just one of
Speaker 3: those things where when you suffer something like that, you
Speaker 3: don't come back from it real easy.
Speaker 4: And like with Kenny, you know, he had that.
Speaker 3: Diverticulitis and he lost twelve foot of his intestines. It's
Speaker 3: it's not a big deal because your intestines are so long,
Speaker 3: but what that takes out of you physically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just.
Speaker 1: People just don't understand it. You know, they saw through
Speaker 1: your abdominal wall. Yeah, you know, and that and those things.
Speaker 1: They don't ever really truly one heal. No, you can always.
Speaker 4: Right, and it's like, you know, I can.
Speaker 3: I can go days where I'll feel great and have
Speaker 3: a lot of energy, but then I've got days where
Speaker 3: if I walk from the couch to the kitchen to
Speaker 3: get a cup of coffee, I'm done for a month,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's it's one of those things and
Speaker 3: you don't get it. And I know these guys are
Speaker 3: in really great shape compared to someone like me, but
Speaker 3: it's no different for them.
Speaker 4: You know, Triple Hill.
Speaker 3: Never wrestle again because he can't because he literally, you know,
Speaker 3: I have a defibrillator put in because I literally could
Speaker 3: turn it to I could turn around and take a
Speaker 3: step and die instant cardiac death. There's something that you
Speaker 3: have to deal with when you have that kind of
Speaker 3: That's what the defibrillators for.
Speaker 4: It's just one of those things.
Speaker 3: And hopefully Keith Lee will be able to come back someday.
Speaker 4: I don't count on it, though, mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean maybe he just needs to worry about
Speaker 1: his quality of life, not wrestling, more so than getting
Speaker 1: back in the ring.
Speaker 3: I saw I think I saw an article some time ago.
Speaker 3: I don't remember where it was. He did an interview
Speaker 3: with someone, and that's what he said. He said, I'm
Speaker 3: more worried. I'm gonna worry about my way of living
Speaker 3: and being able to recover what I can do before
Speaker 3: I'm ever going to think about coming back to the
Speaker 3: ring because it's just not worth it, you know, winning
Speaker 3: winning the aw Champion is an honor, is an honor
Speaker 3: and a great thing, but it ain't gonna make you
Speaker 3: live longer.
Speaker 4: Yeah know what I mean?
Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah, I'm looking at up this match with
Speaker 1: December twenty third, twenty twenty three, so not even quote
Speaker 1: not quite a year ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seems like he's been gone longer than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. But like Jamie Hayter when she was gone,
Speaker 1: it felt like more than a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, tomorrow night, like I said,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be enough matches and things going on that
Speaker 3: every single thing that you see on the card, every
Speaker 3: single thing has a story to it.
Speaker 1: Everything, Yeah, for sure, even the Learning Tree conglomeration. There's
Speaker 1: just some interesting thing for me, at least with Kyle
Speaker 1: o'iley watching the Undisputed Kingdom matches longingly they was showing him.
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at the screen when Adam Cole is
Speaker 1: doing something like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think he's gonna end up it.
Speaker 4: I don't think I think that. Uh. I think we
Speaker 4: were talking about this last week too. I I think
Speaker 4: that the like calls him the Unnecessary Kingdom is going
Speaker 4: to turn on cold.
Speaker 1: I think they came out and during collision, like the
Speaker 1: save they were making a saves. Maybe it was like
Speaker 1: Rouche attacking someone after I can't remember, but they ran
Speaker 1: out and made the save with some chairs and it
Speaker 1: was like it was so weird, just so confusing that
Speaker 1: they're trying to present them as like good guys all
Speaker 1: of a sudden.
Speaker 3: I think what's going to happen is I think they're
Speaker 3: going to turn on them and h O'Reilly's going to
Speaker 3: come out and uh, he's going to come out and
Speaker 3: make the save and be teaming up with Adham Cole
Speaker 3: because he makes a better teammate.
Speaker 4: With Adham Cole than the other two do. For the
Speaker 4: other three.
Speaker 3: Well, two miles will call him to the the ain't
Speaker 3: worth more than two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They were a tag team like when
Speaker 1: they both kind of first started and Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: Future Shock. So they have history.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they were always talk about how
Speaker 3: Orange Cassidy and the conglomeration and Kyler Rally have been overdone,
Speaker 3: and they have been somewhat.
Speaker 4: But you know Ole's case people, Yeah, but you know
Speaker 4: he missed a lot of times, so they're kind of
Speaker 4: letting him make up for that. Which is cool, and
Speaker 4: he's been in relative stuff and this whole thing with
Speaker 4: the learning tree. Tomorrow night is between Jericho and uh
Speaker 4: Brisco because Jericho just won't leave his brother's name out
Speaker 4: of his mouth. And I'd be pissed too. You know,
Speaker 4: if I had a brother did passed away.
Speaker 3: In an accent like that and somebody kept bringing his
Speaker 3: name up in the way he's doing it, I want
Speaker 3: to kick his ass too.
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, yeah, there's there's interesting moving parts.
Speaker 1: There's big Bill. You know, is he ever gonna leave
Speaker 1: Jericho's side? I think people would be excited for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan, but you know, it's like
Speaker 1: him once in a while.
Speaker 4: I like him, and I like the murder Grandpa. Those
Speaker 4: guys crack me.
Speaker 1: Up because I just hate when there's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a mystery opponent and I'm like thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: who could it be? It's Kenny Omega or someone cool
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen before, and then it's just it's
Speaker 1: always or minimis zookie here?
Speaker 5: I mean, and I like, O, great, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: See what you did? Now we know who Ricochet part.
Speaker 1: Like a fifty percent ships It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: Is he part of Is he any chance that that
Speaker 4: the murder Grandpa is part of United Kingdom?
Speaker 5: No, it's any Kingston. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: You know he was.
Speaker 4: Eddie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe any Kingston.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you the problem for Eddie and Cope and
Speaker 4: like Blue.
Speaker 3: They hurt, they hurt leg parts. They're not coming back
Speaker 3: for a while. They probably won't be back till next summer.
Speaker 4: At the.
Speaker 5: He's fine and.
Speaker 4: He's just tired too much the machine games of them.
Speaker 1: They're not young guys. Okay, anyways, I think we've gone
Speaker 1: on enough. I think we're good to wrap it.
Speaker 5: Up for today, Alex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nelson would have wrapped it up thirty minutes ago,
Speaker 1: but let us keep going a little bit longer.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, thanks everyone for listening. This was your election special
Speaker 1: election episode of the aw Ignition Podcast. I am your
Speaker 1: host tonight, Alex, and we were joined by the Lovely Alex,
Speaker 1: the lovely Net and the loveliest Sutton. Oh wow, and
Speaker 1: that was your aw Ignition podcast for the evening. Good
Speaker 1: night and goodbye everybody.
Speaker 5: Goodbye everyone.
Speaker 4: Hey guys,