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Speaker 1: In this League presents the NFL Draft Prospect Podcast More

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Cut Chugging Football. Here's your host, Scott Bogman. Welcome back

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to the warm everybody. I'm your host, Scott Bagman, following

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me on Twitter at Bogman Sports. I'm joining as always

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by c K at CO P I E. P. S.

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On our last show before the draft comes up here

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we are ready to go. We're gonna be talking about

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the defensive backs in this class. We got lots of

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corners in safeties, pretty good class on both sides. I

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believe the first round has three for sure defensive backs,

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and then our cornerbacks excuse me, and then like a

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couple of guys. I think one of them, I don't

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know which one, but I think one of them is

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gonna sneak in to the first So probably four or

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five corners, and then in safety we got three guys.

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I think go the opposite there. I think theenemen and

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downs are locks. I don't know about McNeil warren so,

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but then it's just it's specifically corner and the second

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round is deep. There's a couple of safeties in the

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second round, and then there's a decent amount of safeties

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in the third round. And then you know safety, safety

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is a kind of a smaller position, but I think

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there's a lot of talent in it this year. But

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there's corners, I mean all the way through this class.

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So what is what is your overall overarching thought of

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the dbs in this class?

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Speaker 2: To start here, A lot of the corners that are

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in this class are smaller corners. We talked about that

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a lot, but this is a lot of Specifically, I

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think it's great if you need like a slot cornerback.

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There are some awesome small cornerbacks, nickel cornerbacks, hybrid overhang defenders. However,

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you want to classify some of these players like you know,

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trade On Soukes kind of plays a safety cornerback hybrid

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role and Jaden Kennedy kind of does that for Oregon.

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So if you like those type of players, it's good

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for that. There are definitely outside cornerbacks too, though. And

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then safety, I mean, it's when was the last time

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we had a top ten safety in the draft. It's

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been a while. I know the this is probably the

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return I expect. Caleb Downs goes in the top ten

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of the draft, and about forty eight hours here, and

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and then you said Dylan Tieman probably joins him in

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the first round for sure, and then we're gonna see

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a lot of safeties. Go. I think i'd a pretty

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good class there too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really not bad. Now when we go and

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we look and we see who needs defensive backs, there

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are a lot of defensive back needs. I just went

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and looked at like PFF grades, you know, CB and

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safeties and kind of you know, like j C. Horn

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didn't grade well, but he was hurt all year last year,

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so they don't need to replace him. And there's a

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couple other guys that did grade well. But I think

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maybe like Brandon Stevens actually graded okay, I think he

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was at least like above fifty percent. But you may

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want to, you know, work on replacing Brandon Stevens. I've

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seen him play some bad football on my day. So

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let's go over the teams first. We'll go kind of

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I guess we'll go team by team here and kind

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of try to make it quick. For Dallas, I've got

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they need a perimeter excuse me, one perimeter defender. Scheavon

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Rivel was one twelve of one twelve graded corners last year,

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and Malie Hooker was a little below average of free safety.

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I think Durant, Bland and Thompson all okay. The Giants

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newsome a debo new Bin, Andrew Phillips and Javon Holland.

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Every single piece of their secondary two perimeters, the slot

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and both safety spots were below average last season. Philly

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did go out and get Treik Wooland, but he was bad.

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Marcus Epst just didn't have enough snaps to get a

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grade last year. Macouba was a rookie and very very underperforming.

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And then with Washington another team where every single piece

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of their secondary underperformed. So Giants Washington massive needs, Dallas

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in Philly a couple more specific needs in the NFC East.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Washington definitely stands out. It is definitely

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need a cornerback, probably go after the edge position first,

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but they have there's hope for Tremis I think to

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be one of those. I think Sanders still can play

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the slot better, but you need an outside cornerback. I

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think you can fill that in this role and the

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Dallas one that's that's also a really big need for them.

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They have other needs, but Chavon Revel did not look

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like the same player that pre knee injury Shavon Revel

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was at East Carolina. He did not look anything like

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that in his rookie season there. And so already it's

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what have you done for me lately? League man, especially

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in the secondary, if you can't play at the secondary,

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you do not get a whole lot of time to

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prove yourself. And in Shavin Revel's case, it might have

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been a one and done. As far as being a

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starting NFL cornerback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you want to say, hey, look,

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he was coming off the ACL. He was a rookie,

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you know, so there's some meat on the bone here

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to grow and he's got good length and everything. But

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I just don't know if it's going to work. So

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going over to the NFC North Chicago, Jalen Johnson graded

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pretty low last season. Kyler Gordon didn't play enough to

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get a great I think he only played three games.

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Cam Lewis at strong safety was also an underperformer. Kobe

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Bryant and Tyreki Stevenson were good, though In Detroit, Terry

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and Arnold had a miserable year ninety four of one

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hundred and twelve graded, but everything else. I mean, I

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know Brian Branch and Kirby Joseph aren't going to start

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the season, but they went out and they got Christian

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Izzian and another decent safety. I can't remember who the

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other one was, but they have enough at safety to

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last until their guys come back. It was Chuck Clark

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was the other one who played pretty well last season.

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And then we go to your Packers. Nixon and Valentine

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actually didn't grade terribly. You know, I knew you would

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give me the Harry eyebrow on that one. Javon Bullard

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was a little under, you know, fifty percent of the

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guys graded, and he grated as a safety when he

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played more of that nickel slot, that overhang like you

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talked about. And then McKinney and Williams were good. So

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in the Minnesota they have Pierre and Rogers were both

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very good. Byron Murphy, maybe pushing him to the slot

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makes him better seventy of one hundred and twelve last year,

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and Mattelis played rough at strong safety seventy five and

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ninety one. So what are your thoughts on the North

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here in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: I think we're done with a Terry and Arnold experiment

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in Detroit. I just do not. He has had plenty

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of time at this point and there has not been

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any sign of him getting any better at this time.

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So I'm ready to move on from Terry and Arnold.

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That one looks like a miss for them. Bought a

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still good secondary, especially when everyone's healthy there the Packers. Yeah,

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Keishaw Nixon I think is a fine number two who's

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had to play up to number one carry to Valentine

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just has never seen anything that he wants to tackle

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in his life. That's the problem. Like it can cover

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a little bit, but he just has absolutely no desire

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to tackle at all. And so I'm ready to move

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on from Carrington Valentine. Minnesota secondary's been a need for

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a while. It feels like they keep trying to pump

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resources into this. James Spear that I do like James Spear.

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I think you like James Spear as a guy who

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saw him play a lot last year, So maybe that's

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the starting point here. Josh Mettelis really doesn't play safety,

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that's the overhang. That's more of even a linebacker. So

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without Arison Smith there, without Josh Mttelli's there. I think

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safety is pretty high up to Minnesota needs list as

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far as finding a replacement there. So they are always

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a team that I considered when I do these mockcrafts.

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Thinum and for the better part of them, I still

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like that.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be pretty close to the

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top of their priority board, right it is safety, and yeah, yeah,

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interesting on some of these guys. Terry Arnold just you're right,

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did not work out at all. Going to the South

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here Atlanta, both corners played like just below average seventy five.

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They both raised seventy five and one to twelve. Mike

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us and aj Terrell not a lot of experience. It's slot.

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It's either Darnay Holmes's bad experience or Billy Bowman junior.

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And then both the safety's Jesse Bates and Xavier Watts

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are strong Carolina, they probably need a slot. JC Horn

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and Mike Jackson are good on the perimeter, a strong safety,

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you know, Chel Smith Wade eighty one of one to twelve,

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to ninety one. They just below average in the slot

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and on the back end, so need some help there.

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New Orleans, you know, Yadam played well, Soda McKinstry. Quincy

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gonna go ahead and stick with him because he's still

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obviously very young and improving in the slot. Jonah Sanker,

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also rookie last year, was a little bit below average.

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I think they're actually not going to really address the

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corners unless, like if Delanne falls to them in the

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first round, he might just be BPA on their board, right,

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I wouldn't be shocked by that. And then Tampa Bay

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Zion McCollum was good, but he had some really ugly

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moments on TV, you know, just some He got torched

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a couple of games. Ben Morrison was miserable last year.

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One was six of one, twelve. Parish was pretty good

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in the slot and safety they're at Tike Smith and

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Antoine Winfield's so the good there, so big big needs

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for Atlanta, and I think the back end for Carolina

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really needs to be addressed as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Tampa Bay, I think it's the best pair

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of safeties in the league. Tyke Smith and Antoine Winfield

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I know Antlin Hild I don't think rated particularly well esteryear,

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but he was also pulling an injury all the year

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along with him when he was out there. Benjamin Morrison,

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it's the same situation as Shavin Ravel there as far

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as coming off of the major knee injury, and he

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just didn't show it off. We'll see if he gets

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another opportunity. I completely agree with you with New Orleans.

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They just have other needs. And I thought, you know,

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Jonah Sanker was a a three pick who they stepped

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in and played for him, so I think you're gonna

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give him another opportunity. And he didn't kill you as

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far as being bad back there, So they just have

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other needs. If if mansor Delaine's, they're sure, you can

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say that he's the best play and will take the

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best player on the board, but they have other much

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bigger needs than their secondary Carolina. It's good to see

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Travon Merrick still bad because he's been bad for a

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while and nothing changes.

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Speaker 1: Probably one of the worst to just pretty bad now.

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Speaker 2: Still just got to make sure we still know where're

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at there. Do we think that aj Trell is just

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really that poor of a player at this point because

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he was good.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he plays through a lot of injuries, just.

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Speaker 2: Kind of taking injury with him. It could be and

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it's so hard to play with a nagging injury in

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the secondary right just a muscle pull and all the

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cutting you have to do while trying to match someone

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else's cuts at full speed is really hard. I think

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he's better than that. I wouldn't, but I you know,

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my cues isn't great. They certainly, again, they can replace

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players in their secondary. It's just not I don't think

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that's high. I already list because they have so many

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other needs in Atlanta. But sure, if you told me

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they decided to take cornerbacks early, I couldn't. I couldn't

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really argue with that. I just think I would go elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the NFC West, where the Cardinals probably

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need another perimeter guy. Denzel Burke played pretty bad last

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year eighty two one twelve. Punebaker had a miserable year,

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graded to eighty of ninety one safeties. I think they

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just need to trade him. I think maybe his fire

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has gone out playing for Arizona and then don't know

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who's gonna start at free safety between Taylor Demerson and

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Wingered but both were pretty bad last year, so Arizona

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needs some help in the secondary. The Niners need everything,

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literally every single player great below average. Malik Mustafa and

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Jerry Brown at safety now they're both just slightly below

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average but you know, pretty bad, and then Ronardo Green

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they need a perimeter guy. But they have a lot

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of needs to me. I think improving the pass rush

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back here and get a couple of these late guys.

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but it's probably because he is targeted a crazy amount

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because Witherspoon and m and Worry were so good. And

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then uh Okata and Julian Love on the back end

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are pretty solid, so just one spot for them. But

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Niners with big needs here. Cardinals with some decent needs

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on the back end as well.

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Speaker 2: The Niners have a secondary of multiple slot players. That's

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the problem. Actually think up to South pretty well at

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times when he's been out there, and Ronaldo Green is

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miscast because he would be better in the slot, and

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they just don't they need you said they need a

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boundary cornerback, someone long who can do that. But again

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it starts with the fact that they have very little

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pass rush and they can't stop the run. And so

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while secondary is a big need and you to have

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a good successful team, I mean Seattle. You look at

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Seattle line here, right, and there's a reason they're winning

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a Super Bowl or being in the Super Bowl, right,

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winning the Super Bowl because of how good their secondary is.

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But there's just bigger needs out there right now for

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a team like the Niners. It's with Seattle, even losing

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the players that they lost, it for agency still to

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see him have that much depth that the position is

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big time, Like, that's that's why you win a two

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Super Bowl, right, Tyle Katta stepping in this is a

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safety here. And of course nick em and Warry looked

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every bit like one of the best players in the

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league back there. Denzel Burke with Arizona, Yeah, I'm ready

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to move on from him. I agree with you on

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Buddha Baker. That's the big one. I think, Yes, grading

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eighty of ninety one isn't good. I don't think Buddha

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Baker is one of the ten worst safeties in the NFL. No,

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there's too much talent there. It's just playing an air

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At least you said it right playing in Arizona after

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a while with this completely uncompetitive team. That I don't

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believe is you know, Johnathgan's the defensive corner of the Packers,

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but I do not think he was a particularly good

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head coach. I think he's probably pretty good defensive coordinator,

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but I don't think he's a good head coach.

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Speaker 1: So did not to use Buddha obviously.

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Speaker 2: Whether that's a change of scenery or a change of

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scheme with a new coach coming in. I think BUDDA.

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Baker is one of the better thirty to forty players

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at safety in the league for sure.

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Speaker 1: Going to the AFC, Buffalo has a need at slot.

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D Alford ninety three one twelve perimeter. I think they're good.

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They drop some hairs last year. Benford is pretty good. CJ.

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Gardner Johnson they signed, but he was below average last year.

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Cole Bishop pushing out the free safety. If you think

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Miami's wide receivers are bad, ck this secondary. Let me

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just list off the names here for you. Darryl Baker,

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Junior sounds like a NASCAR driver Storm Duck, Jason Marshall junior,

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Dante Trader junior the only player that had a grade

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in their secondary from last year and he was sixty

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seven to ninety one, and Lonnie Johnson junior at free safety.

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It is ugly here. So and on the other end

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you have the the Patriots, all good at every position.

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The only team that didn't have a need at starter

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in the secondary, Gonzalez, Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones, byered. They

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signed in Craig Woodson was great. And then the Jets

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Nayshaun Wright I told you about Brandon Stevens had a

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good grade last year, but Brownlee was one of the

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worst corners in the league at slot one on one

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out of one twelve. Malachai Moore was one of the

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worst safeties sixty seven to ninety one. Mika is back there.

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He's pretty good. But yeah, I mean big, big needs

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from some of these teams, the Jets specifically, and Miami

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just needs we we know Miami needs everything, but they

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really cannot afford to do anything but BPA with every

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single pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that is that room there is somehow worse

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than the receivers, which were just saying something because that

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I thought that was one of the worst position groups

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in the league. And to see Storm Duck is currently

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listed as a starting level cornerback for the NFL team

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that is going to have to go up against, you know,

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a New England team now with Romeo Dubs and Buffalo

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with all their new acquisitions like that would be just miserable.

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Could be great for fantasy for Malik because man, is

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he gonna have to score to keep up in some

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of these games the way that's looking right now. And

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run around back there.

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Speaker 1: But I just went to look, they do play Cincinnati

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at some point this year, so.

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Speaker 2: Nice you're with that luck with that Buffalo secondary is

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of need, it's not the biggest need again, and just

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to see Seattle one here with one need and that's

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because they lost so much and New England on here

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with no needs and those two teams in the Super

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Bowl just goes to show how important secondary play is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, safeties can last for a long time,

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but corners not only don't last, but they also lose

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a lot of steam really fast. So you know that

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I didn't even bother putting depth on any of these

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teams because every team needs depth. Just assume you need depth.

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You need to burn and churn these corners. You need

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you need young players, fast legs, all that stuff going

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to the AFC North For the Ravens slot, I mean,

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Marlon Humphreys just dust at this point one O three,

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one twelve. It's about time to hang them up. Everything

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else is good there, Malachi Starks, Kyle Hamilton, they went

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and got Cheetah Bay, Woozier and they Wiggins was great.

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Cincinnati actually okay at perimeter. DJ Turner played well, Dax

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Hill played well. Jalen Davis is their slot, so they

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just need somebody better there. Jordan Battle was a little

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rough as strong safety, say could use an upgrade there

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as well. For Cleveland, Denzel Ward was slightly below average.

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Miles Harden was really bad in the slot one two,

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one twelve. But they're good at safety with del Pitt

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and Harrison and the Steelers. It's just slot, you know.

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Joey Porter Jr. Was great, Jamel Dean was pretty good,

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Brandon Eckles just below average at slot, and they also

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have a Sante Samuel, but then Brisker and Ramsey at

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free safety. They could draft the safety and move Ramsey

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back to the corner. A Sante Samuel also plays corner,

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so he might just start over Eckles. But I think

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the Steelers are doing okay in the secondary. But Cleveland

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has a couple of corners here and since he still

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needs that safety spot.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while that we talked about that safety

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spot here Baltimore. It's still boggling, like mind boggling to

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me that Malachi Starks fell to twenty seven or twenty

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eight and just they just took advantage of that. Yet

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again with these really good players fall into them and.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton felt like sa Hamilton or something.

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Speaker 2: I went to the Malachi Starks as your secondary, you know,

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your safety group. There is just a special combination Cleveland

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or Cincinnati. Getting some production out of dex Hill helps,

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but like you said, it's still the really the back

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end there. Denzel ward I don't know if you I

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mean you have to replace him. I think he's okay.

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I think you could go in with nzel Warden feel

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fine about that.

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Speaker 1: I think so too.

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Speaker 2: And your your group is you know, like you said,

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you have Brandon echols On here as replaceable, but you

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can just manipulate and move players around with the Sante

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Samuel some of that stuff. So I would say Pittsburgh

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gets another spot. I don't see why Pittsburgh would take

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a secondary player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bigger needs on the O line linebacker. So going

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to the South here, the Texans only really need a

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free safety and they did sign Red Blankenship, but he

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was eighty nine and ninety one last year. Now he

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did play through a couple injuries if I'm remembering correctly,

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So just a really bad grade for him, but also

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being surrounded by all that talent should be pretty good. Indy,

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they did trade for Sauce. They have a Shavarius Ward

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Kenny Moore and can't bind him. It's just that strong

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safety spot of Hunter Wollerd. They might give him a chance,

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but I could easily see them replacing him for the Jaguars.

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Monteric Brown actually graded really well last year. Travis Hunter

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is going full time cornerback. It looks like Jordan Lewis

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in the slot. Antonio Johnson was your number one GRADEDT

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safety from last season. But Eric Murray is, you know,

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a little old and a below average. Tennessee really needs help.

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They did go out and they got Taylor and flot

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so okay, you know we got the perimeter guys, but

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slot is slated to be Marcus Harris and then safeties.

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I mean Amani Hooker. The dude has made a lot

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of money in the NFL. He's been around for a while,

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but it's about time. You could say the same thing

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for Tony Adams and Hooker was worse than Adams, but

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they they could use an upgrade at both safety spots.

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So what do you think about the South here in

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the AFC?

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Speaker 2: The Houston defense man top to bottom. When you go

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through these names and you just look at how deep

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they are, and you mentioned read blank and ship there,

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I don't think we're taking a safety to place red Blankenship.

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I think they like read blank and ship. You can

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kind of shift the way they use him and Jalen

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Petrie around and take advantage of this overhanging the defenders

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that they.

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Speaker 1: Have Jalen Reid in that that's true.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think Houston's just fine. Indianapolis, it's

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certainly in need. I was trying to figure out what

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you were talking if we got an update on Sauce

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Gardener's knee. I think Sauce Gardner should be good to

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go for the start of the season, but I couldn't

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find anything that officially confirmed that. As long as Sauce

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Gardner's there, that's that helps. Definitely, the cornerbacks you can

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help and you can get more help at safety there

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to replace Hunter Boler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean behind him, just real quick, it is

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Cam Taylor Brett. So you want him to be healthy, Yes,

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you want.

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Speaker 2: Him to be healthiest. Having Travis Hunter focus on cornerback,

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I think will make him one of the best ten

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to fifteen cornerbacks in the league. I think you'll be

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just able to concentrate on doing one instead of the other.

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And that was always the thought was he'd be he

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could do the two way thing right and be okay

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at it, but if he focused on one, I think

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he could be special at it. I think he'll be

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a very good cornerback as far as just focusing on

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corner for Jacksonville and Jacksonville and Antonio Johnson really developed

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and that was a I don't say I was surprised

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because I like Antonio Johnson, but seeing him be as

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as good as he was last year was a bit

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of my surprise and Tennessee. It's a lot of Tennessee

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could go really really hard after the defense, get a

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couple of skill position players, and then really hit hammered

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the defense. I think is the way that Tennessee should

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go about this draft approach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sitting at four like the art. That

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could be Sunday Styles. I could be killed down, it

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could be Jeremi Love. There's a lot of different ways

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they could go, and I wouldn't be shocked by any

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of them going over to the AFC West surrounded out

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Denver is Riley Moss, Pat Sertain, Jawa McMillan, who Fonga

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all good. Brandon Jones is like a little below average

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last year, so that's probably the one spot. Who Fang

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has had some injury stuff as well, So maybe you

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just want to get a safety for depth. Kansas City

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Christoph Fulton and Noel Williams. They could use a perimeter guy,

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but they traded McDuffie and they let Watson walk, so

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Cater Kohu is supposed to be in the slot, so

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definitely could use the slot. Shamarie Connor, they should put

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him in the slot and draft the safety is probably

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what they should do, and then Lloyd Gilman was really

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good in Vegas. Darian Porter was eighty eight of one

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to twelve, but again, like we mentioned before, don't think

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they're replacing him because he's a rookie. Last year, Eric

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Stokes was great and they resigned him. They traded for

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Terren Johnson, but he was below average last year, so

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they're gonna go with him, but they could use an

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upgrade there. Jeremy Chin was great, but poulam Mau was

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ninety of ninety one graded free safety, so they definitely

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need a free safety the Chargers. Tarry still was great,

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cam Hart was below average. Then you have Derwin, you know,

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Old Mantoni. Jefferson there pretty good, but Elijah Molden was

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pretty well down the line on the free safety list

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here seventy eight of ninety one one. So your thoughts

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on the AFC West here.

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Speaker 2: Glad to see that for the fourth year that we've

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done the show together, the Vegas second Safety Room still sucks.

474
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,720
Still complaining about the Vegas Safety Room and it's still

475
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,079
slightly better. Jeremy Chin has helped out a little bit,

476
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,119
actually getting production out of Eric Stokes. For a guy

477
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,920
who saw a lot of Eric Stokes over the years,

478
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,680
not play well was good for them and so still

479
00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:27,920
struggling in the safety room. Kansas City just seems Kansas

480
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,440
City's development of cornerback players that are long like, they

481
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,480
have this real good feel for it, so I trust

482
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,440
them to get the most out of their secondary. Riley

483
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,039
Moss has gotten a lot better over the years. Early on,

484
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,640
it was you know, Patrick's or Tan was on one side,

485
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,240
so we were just throwing everything at Riley Moss and

486
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:45,799
it was not pretty at all. I watched games last year.

487
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:47,480
I thought Riley Moss actually played pretty well, and to

488
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,079
see him in green is a good sign. That's good

489
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,400
for them. The Chargers. I don't think we're a placing

490
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,799
cam Hart. I think we're gonna go with cam Hert

491
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,559
Turbin James. They can take more, you said any of

492
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,599
these teams. I can talk about the depth of their secondary.

493
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: But bigger not in the line for the Chargers.

494
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,279
Speaker 2: A lot of these AFC West teams have some pretty

495
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,160
good secondaries right now, to tell you the truth. So

496
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,599
depth for sure, but I don't know if we need

497
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:10,200
to replace a lot of starters in the AFC West.

498
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,079
Speaker 1: All right, we got through it. Let's get to the

499
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,039
prospects now and starting with cornerbacks. In the first round,

500
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:21,319
at number ten, we have Mancer Delane from LSU nineteen

501
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,839
hundred and seventy seven snaps at perimeter one hundred and

502
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,559
sixteen in the slot. I got him a smart, hard working,

503
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,359
really in the wrong spot, willing tackler, a little light,

504
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,839
short arms, fast, but maybe not explosive enough, very very

505
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,680
good corner going to be a lockdown for a while.

506
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,559
It looks like, what are your thoughts on Delane?

507
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's let's say, at six foot he wasn't not

508
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,799
that big, which is fine. He plays bigger than his

509
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,799
size right, incredibly physical. They actually don't. I mean, he

510
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:49,759
doesn't get a lot of tackling opportunities to prove that

511
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:51,319
he can tackle because they just don't throw the ball

512
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,119
ball by him very often because he's just swiveling his

513
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,680
hips so quick to lock into a defenders hip pocket

514
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,680
or a receiver hip hop. I think you could you

515
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,440
could basically say, play man, play zone. He's asked to

516
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,160
do both, but you don't see a ton of in college.

517
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,559
A lot of them are just played one or the other.

518
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,720
His footwork is just clinical in space. The way that

519
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,920
he can rote day his hips to run with a

520
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,039
receiver downfield, like you watch him against deanp Boks against

521
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,519
at Oklahoma and he's just in his hip pocket the

522
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,200
whole time. But I was surprised he actually random quick

523
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,319
as he did. I thought he would test a little

524
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:26,079
slower that. But he is also my top cornerback and

525
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,400
I have him overall at number twelve, so early first

526
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,279
round pick, I would expect the floor for him is

527
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,519
probably I mean it should be Miami honestly, but yeah,

528
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:44,960
well they have a lot of other needs, so I

529
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,400
would not be surprised if he's gone in the top

530
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,680
ten even before Miami picks.

531
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: To tell you the truth, maybe that second Giants pick,

532
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,319
depending on what they go right first pick, because they

533
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,279
definitely need a corner at number fourteen. Jamal McCoy from

534
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,920
Tennessee Guy didn't have nearly as much. It's laying nine

535
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,119
hundred and ninety seven spots. It's to snaps Jesus Christ

536
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,079
at corner thirty four in the slot. Awesome athlete that

537
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,079
is very fluid playmaker that goes after the ball. Six interceptions,

538
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,759
twelve pass breakups in two CFP seasons. William Tackler and

539
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,839
he's got some return chops. He did tear his ACL

540
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,240
in January twenty twenty five, kept him out the whole season,

541
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,559
and he wasn't available for testing. He did have eight

542
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,240
penalties in twenty twenty four as well, So I think

543
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,680
that most a lot of analysts considered McCoy to have

544
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,680
the most upside in this class. But we don't know

545
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,680
what we lost with this ACL injury because we haven't

546
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,039
seen him come back from it yet and lots of

547
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,680
penalties that last year. So what are your thoughts on McCoy.

548
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: It's the injury is the bigger concern for me. And

549
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,599
now we got a report it yesterday or two days ago,

550
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,880
that he might need another surgery on his knee to

551
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,880
replace some cartilage that's defective in his knee. And this

552
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,400
is not the same the same thing as the ACL,

553
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,319
but there's reports that it's not good. Right for a

554
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,720
guy that you said. It wasn't like he tore his

555
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,920
ACL early in this process or there later in this

556
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720
early in the season. It was he tore his ACL

557
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,119
in January and to not see him play at all.

558
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,319
There was some at least rumors that he was ready

559
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,880
to go, and the agent pretty much told him to

560
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,000
not play, and maybe that's.

561
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:24,799
Speaker 1: How it was true. He should have worked out, then.

562
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,559
Speaker 2: He should have I completely agree he should have worked out.

563
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: Just all feels like late in the process nonsense to me,

564
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,599
and it.

565
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Could be right. We just don't know that. But on

566
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,599
the field, the twenty twenty four stuff is good. Yes,

567
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720
he's a little grabby when he gets to it, but

568
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,920
he's just really really aggressive in man coverage, he's he

569
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,079
can be incredibly sticky because he hates He's like the

570
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,400
type of guy that seems like he hates that when

571
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,640
receivers get their hands on him. So he is fighting

572
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,079
through the route stem, which is why he gets called

573
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,200
for penalties, but innate feel for when to pass off

574
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,039
his man jump the next route in zone coverage with

575
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,000
reaction speed. I just wish we got to see him play.

576
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,119
I still think you should go in the top half

577
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,160
of the first round. It's just and that's it's hard

578
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,400
for me to say that for a player that didn't

579
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,519
play a single snap this year.

580
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh. He's gonna go high, I think, but

581
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,279
we'll see. Maybe maybe this late medical stuff, maybe teams

582
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,839
are worried and you know, if you don't have a

583
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,559
first round pick. Maybe you you know, uh say that?

584
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,920
Did you hear somebody told Fernando MENDOZI you should get

585
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,519
arrested before the draft so we can drop. I like

586
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:37,440
that Ayvianterrell from Clemson. Aggressive but undersized, corner awareness, physicality, standout.

587
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,279
He's got the peanut punch, eight force fumbles, strong, blitzer,

588
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,880
durable for his size. He's undersized at five ten five,

589
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200
boxed out by big wide receivers and tight ends that

590
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880
can get a bit handsy, and sometimes he misses his

591
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,720
tackles due to his size, like all undersized guys. So

592
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,519
what are your thoughts on Terrell?

593
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: So? Aman A Trell is AJ Trell's brother. We talked

594
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,640
about him a little bit here. He I have those

595
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,880
first two guys in a tier, and I have a

596
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,920
Van Trell in a bigger tier. But he is still

597
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,880
my number three cornerback with someone who could go that

598
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,000
next year is Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if he

599
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,400
went in the back of the first round, but I

600
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,799
also think that you could fall to early day two.

601
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,319
When he breaks on the ball, he gets to his

602
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,079
spot so fast. I love how competitive he is. He's

603
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,200
a little small, but they will play him in press

604
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,559
and he is good at it. They will play him

605
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,119
in off and he can do it. But like you said,

606
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,799
he gets a little bit grabby. I love him going

607
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,599
for the ball. He attacks the ball hard, he bats

608
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,799
down balls, he turns his head, he gets his round

609
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,799
on the ball. He is not just you know, tackling.

610
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:38,599
It's not his strongest suit being tackler because he's not

611
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:42,240
particularly big. I think if he was fifteen pounds heavier,

612
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,599
he's a no doubt top twenty pick. But he's not right.

613
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,039
He's just not that big. And you saw the one

614
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,160
that shows out to me was Chris Bell. They played

615
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Chris Bell, Chris Bell. We talked about if there is

616
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,240
a big player in this class. It was Chris Bell,

617
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,880
who's thickly built, wide receiver. And you would see how

618
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,319
Chris Bell would just gain separation by body him a

619
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:01,640
few times. He would run to him in the routes

620
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,200
them and then just kind of crut across his face

621
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,960
in Avyntrell while he's there. He just can't get through

622
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,880
a player like that. So to me, he's Greg Newsome.

623
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,440
That's kind of what I think you're hoping for for

624
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,839
Avantrell and Greg news is a pretty good cornerback, and

625
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000
I'd be happy to take him in the top forty selections.

626
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too. Going over to safety here three,

627
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,519
Like we said in the first round, Caleb Downs, and

628
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:28,240
I mean the guy played everywhere. Eight hundred and sixty

629
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,160
five snaps in the box, nine to twenty at free safety,

630
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,200
five hundred and seventy four in the slot. He has

631
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,160
almost everything. Smart, great communicating, it is the best asset.

632
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,279
He's a great tackler, special teams coverage, great reaction time.

633
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,400
The guy really has everything. He might be a little undersized,

634
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,240
and he was a little bit more aggressiveness just to

635
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,880
go after the ball because he's always around it, so

636
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,720
that those are the only hang ups that I see

637
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,920
with Caleb Downs. But he is pretty much a unanimous

638
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,880
top ten pick right now.

639
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, So while you're talking, I went back to draft

640
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,359
history dock on the last time we saw a top

641
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,039
ten safety was twenty seventeen with Jamal Adams. We had

642
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,720
some top five safeties with you know you're gonna go

643
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,799
back to like Eric Barry, Sean Taylor, that it's been

644
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160
that long, I expect he goes in the top ten.

645
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,440
I don't think we goes in the top five. He could,

646
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,440
like Tennessee could really take him at pick for it

647
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
really wouldn't be surprising. A lot of what he does.

648
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,079
He just doesn't get credit for how much he impacts

649
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,160
the game because he is just like you said, he's

650
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,400
playing everywhere. He's doing it well. He is a dynamic returner.

651
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400
If you want to put him at punt return, kick return,

652
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,519
he can do that. He can play slot cornerback, he

653
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,640
can play linebacker, he can play strong safety. He's not

654
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,079
a huge player, but he's got this massive, racked, like

655
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,240
rocked up frame that's got athletic abilities that are just

656
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,079
rare at safety. In twenty twenty four, I watched him

657
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920
man cover Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren couldn't shake free from him,

658
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,519
right every he bait roast. Everybody else could not shake

659
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:58,920
free from him. But he's just really solid, directly forced

660
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,279
his passes into the air. He will hit like a linebacker.

661
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,839
They play him. He's everywhere's within ten yards of line

662
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,680
of scrimmage. But he can also play a traditional single high.

663
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,319
So the best thing you can say about Caleb Downs

664
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,720
is the second he's picked, whatever team it is, I

665
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,920
don't care if it's one through twelve, their defense will

666
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,480
be better. Yes, Caleb Downs is on the field, and

667
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
safety is a hard position to project out where they're

668
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,960
gonna go because it's positional value. It's probably the lowest

669
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,519
one of any of the positions. But Caleb Downs will

670
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,480
make your defense better and because of that, I expect

671
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,319
he goes quite early.

672
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:35,039
Speaker 1: I still feel like running back.

673
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true too. That one's tough because that

674
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,839
was just such a short shelf life. Right.

675
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: If yes, gets safety's a last, corners won't. But safety

676
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,720
is a last. Yeah, so uh yeah, there's It doesn't

677
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,079
matter like you put him wherever you want. He's one

678
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,480
of the best football players in this class. I don't

679
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,839
really care what his position is. Dylan thinum In from

680
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Oregon another dude. Mainly played free safety, but seven hundred

681
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,599
and thirty two STAPs in the box as well. Two

682
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,319
thirty six slot. Crazy athlete had a killer combine, closes fast,

683
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,599
got better at tackling every year, works through traffic at

684
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,160
a pro level, any has special teams coverage. His tackling

685
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,559
is improving, but inconsistent. He might've peaked physically, and he's

686
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,240
still like a little bit light, So What are your

687
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,039
thoughts on Dylan Theeneman from Oregon.

688
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:28,079
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Caleb Downs, I think we hear

689
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:29,960
a lot more about how good Dylan thinam In really is.

690
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,000
Like he would be my top safety from the last

691
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,759
three years if you take away Caleb Downs, because I

692
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,160
think he's really that good. Last year it was Tyler

693
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,359
Nuban was the top safety. He's better than Tyler Nuban.

694
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,119
The year before that, my top safety was Brian Branch,

695
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,880
and I loved Brian Branch, but I still have Dylan

696
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,480
tenam In right above him. That's how good I think

697
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:51,480
theenemon is. You mentioned the athleticism. It's it's crazy some

698
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,480
of the stuff this guy can do. He just looks

699
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,599
like he's chiseled out of stone with his physique. At

700
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Purdue they asked him play cover one at or again.

701
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:02,720
They said, Okay, we're gonna ask you to do everything.

702
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,200
And the thing is he can do both. Like at

703
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,839
Purdue he's flying downhill like a missile to make tackles.

704
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,840
At Oregon he's just you'll see him spy, you'll see

705
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,760
him drop, You'll see him disengage blocks as a run defender.

706
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,679
I have some questions. I thought, well, maybe he's not

707
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,079
actually this fast. No, he's really fast too. I do

708
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,760
think he gets a bit turned around if you ask

709
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,880
him just to play like straight man coverage. I think

710
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,800
he gets a little turned around like that, but unique

711
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,400
field vision to diagnose plays. His tackling is solid. I

712
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,639
would not say he's great at it. I think he's

713
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,480
solid at it. Comparison I have for him is just

714
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,159
a faster version of what Grant Delpit does for Cleveland,

715
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,119
who Grant Delpitt Hanks kind of in this overhang defender

716
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,039
area and it is a pretty good tackler, and he

717
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,039
can do a little bit of safety. I think that's

718
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,400
what Dinaman can do. And I expect from day one

719
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,239
that he's actually going to be a really strong safety

720
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,880
as far as like a really good safety as well.

721
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think though too, And I think you're right.

722
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,280
If there was no Caleb Downs, we would tell talking

723
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,000
way more about penem In as you know. And I

724
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,679
think a lot of those safety first round bets all

725
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:09,519
that stuff. Emanuel McNeil Warren from Toledo, small school guy

726
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,159
played all over the place again mainly a box safety, big,

727
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,480
hard hitting, strong at punching the ball out nine force

728
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,760
fumbles in his career, only one penalty. Strong instincts allow

729
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,960
him to move through traffic to the ball carrier as

730
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,800
well in the run game. Still a little narrow at

731
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,239
his size can be caught out of position a little bit.

732
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,199
Still needs work on recognition. Said to be a quiet

733
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,360
personality and not much of a communicator, so just a

734
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,800
kind of a quiet. This seems like a serial killer,

735
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,960
you know, just a quiet let me go out and

736
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,360
wreck your stuff. So he was a lot of fun

737
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,480
to watch. He does hit hard.

738
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,119
Speaker 2: He just lives around the football, right. It's the fumbles,

739
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,800
it's the interceptions. He has a pick sixes in there.

740
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,559
The size is there to match up Biggins tight ends.

741
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,960
You don't want him to play. Whereas if you told

742
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,000
me that you have to play Dylan Thinamon or Caleb

743
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,559
Downs in a slot cornerback Rod, I think they can

744
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,639
do that. I don't want to mean Emmanuel McNeil Warren

745
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,280
doing that right now. I don't think he moves quite

746
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,760
as well as those two do. But the range is nuts.

747
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,800
When he plays free safety, he's playing closer to line

748
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,119
of scrimmage a lot more this year. Eliminate can just

749
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,760
eliminate the tight end from the opposing playbook. Great hands

750
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,320
for a safety. There are times where he is just

751
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,880
completely looking like legally to separate the man from the ball.

752
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,760
He's not going to you mentioned the one penalty. He

753
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,559
is not going to go out there and as he's

754
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,039
all shy, your head hunt and get called for a

755
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:32,800
bunch of penalties. But he's you will know that he's

756
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,039
there if you're playing wide receiver going across the middle

757
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:36,639
of the field on the way he plays and doesn't

758
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,880
quit on any of them. I actually have all these

759
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,039
guys in their own individual tiers, so Caleb Downs is

760
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,119
like a top ten tier. Dylan Thieneman is a locked

761
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:47,239
in first round player to me, Emmanuel McNeil. Warren could

762
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
go at the back of the first round. I also

763
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,000
think he could fall to early day two.

764
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: I really hope he goes somewhere and starts immediately. I

765
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,039
would love to see him on the field from week one.

766
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,159
Let's go to the second round. Lots of corners in

767
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,360
the second round. We've got five here. Colton Hood from

768
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Tennessee above average at almost everything, good speed, fluid mover,

769
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,920
physical and man pushing targets off their routes and a

770
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,119
strong tackler. Penalties got worse the more snaps he got

771
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,679
four in twenty twenty five, only one season as a

772
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,079
full time starter. Outliers in size and speed can get him,

773
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,639
so like really fast guys are really big guys, we'll

774
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,280
get him as well. Thirty nine we have Chris Johnson

775
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,960
for San Diego state. Size, speed, aggressiveness to the ball,

776
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,800
big hitter for a corner, a strong special teamer, good

777
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,199
character cited by teams that interviewed him. The weakness is

778
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,639
better in area quickness than long speed. A bit narrow

779
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:39,679
for his height, virtually no slot experience. Fifty one slot

780
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,519
snaps only for him. Brandon Sisay the opposite lots of

781
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,920
two hundred fourteen slot snaps for him. One of the

782
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,039
better man cbs in this class. Fast and has great burst,

783
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:53,480
fluid hit movement when backpedaling, bursts to go up and

784
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,400
knock the ball away or come down with it. Limited

785
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,920
experience makes him a bit of a project willing tackler,

786
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,159
but needs her and he can get a little bit grabby.

787
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,199
But D'Angel ponds at Indiana best instincts of any CB

788
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920
in this class. He's as signline well and plays physical

789
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,440
always in the right spot, knows how to baited quarterback,

790
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,440
can go after the ball. Willing and strong, fundamental tackler,

791
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,320
incredible production weakness it's the size, you know, might make

792
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,760
him move the slot where he doesn't have experience. Only

793
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,679
twenty eight slot snaps in his career is insane. He

794
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,920
can't get boxed out due to his size. Tackling will

795
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,920
be harder in the NFL at his size as well,

796
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,800
and career length might be impacted because of his small stature.

797
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,800
And then trade an stukes as you mentioned before, lots

798
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,639
of slot eleven hundred and seventy four snaps in the

799
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,880
slot nine hundred and forty three in the perimeter, so

800
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,559
much ball production, seven picks, twenty one pass breakups, great

801
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,599
fluid mover with a recovery speed, can play any spot

802
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,760
in the secondary. Praise for work work ethic by coaches downside.

803
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,000
Might be maxed out at his current size and wait

804
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,440
acl tear in twenty twenty four twenty five year old

805
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:04,199
rookie willing tackler, but needs work on fundamentals, So stukes

806
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,079
pawn se say Johnson and Hood, what is your order

807
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:09,199
here for?

808
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: Once those are the same exact players that I have

809
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000
in this tier, which is interesting. I also have Aviantrell

810
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,920
at the start of this tier. I have Colton Hood

811
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,000
first among that group, so it goes Mansword, Delane, Ermont McCoy,

812
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:23,559
Avian Trrell, and Colton Hood, so that order stays the same.

813
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,599
It's as Tremont McCoy didn't show up and Colton Hood

814
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,679
was at Tennessee and playing every day and looking a

815
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,800
lot like what Tremont McCoy did the year before as

816
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,480
far as just taking the best receiver and mirroring, mirroring

817
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,559
the entire game. Plenty of speed. He can run with

818
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,320
the fastest NFL wide receivers, maybe not named Prime Tyreek

819
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,559
or Xavier Worthy. Beyond that, he is going to run

820
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,039
with anybody. The ball skills are apparent. I think he

821
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,400
does a really good job getting his head around. The

822
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,480
willingness to tackle is there. His form is really erratic

823
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,199
because he loves to duck his head and because of

824
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,639
that he will miss. But he is someone like. The

825
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,199
longer that the game goes on, I think he gets better,

826
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,039
and that's because he's just consistently smothering receivers at the

827
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,880
line of scrimmage. He can recover with his straight line speed.

828
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,280
He's really good. Little tentative maybe and run support, but

829
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,559
Colton Hood should be gone in the second round. After

830
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,519
Colton the Hood, I actually have Trade on Stukes, Trey

831
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,960
on Stukes, and it's I don't know whether to call

832
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:29,400
him a safety to call him a cornerback. I have

833
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,239
him with the cornerbacks like you haven't listened here at

834
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,000
the cornerbacks. I when he is at his best, it

835
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,840
is just a highlight reel of being everywhere, all over

836
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,880
the field at all times because he is kind of

837
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,000
doing a little bit of everything. He'll play man, he'll

838
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,159
play zone, he can play inside, he can play outside.

839
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,159
He's gonna be the coach's dream, the story of a

840
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,639
walk on who is a team captain, who's always in

841
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,599
the right spot. But typically when you see a walk on,

842
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,039
it's because they're athletically limited. No, not at all. He

843
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,599
has elite speed to run with receivers. His just an

844
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:06,280
extremely versatile cornerback. I don't want to throw at this

845
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,000
comparison on anybody, but it's a little bit of what

846
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,039
Cooper Degen does. Light like that's in there where somebody

847
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,000
who can play inside, can play outside, can tackle. Gonna

848
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,320
be a little older as a rookie, but I really

849
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,440
like what Tradon Stukes offers as far as just a

850
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:24,119
versatile chess piece for an NFL defense. Behind him, I

851
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,519
have Chris Johnson after that you mentioned it. It's he's

852
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
got the length. They just didn't want to take any

853
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,639
chances at putting him in the slot because he's so

854
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,800
good outside for San Diego State, really good, like he

855
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,119
had multiple pick sixes this season. Not the strength play

856
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,159
profile to play regular press, but he because he just

857
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,119
kind of looks thin, but great ball skills. He is

858
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,039
looking to attack the ball. Teams don't really beat him

859
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,880
deep because he starts in off coverage lot. I'm not

860
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,559
sure that he has the speed profiles some of these

861
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:56,280
other cornerbacks in this room, but he can just dominate

862
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,239
in man coverage all game, like he gets the arms

863
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,199
on you good luck trying to get by him him.

864
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,519
Really impressed with what Chris Johnson can do. I would

865
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:04,599
very much like the Green Bait Packers to consider Chris Johnson.

866
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,639
Brandon Sees you mentioned the athlete cise is an amazing

867
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:14,800
athlete who can he can get better at playing cornerback.

868
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,159
That's what it really is. He's He's a really good

869
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:20,199
run defender. He can play a zone, but I think

870
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,360
he's better in man coverage. Like you said here, he's

871
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,320
much better in man coverage right now. He just takes

872
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,280
a while though. At this point it feels like some

873
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,639
of the things he's thinking more than playing. It feels

874
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,239
like when you watch him sometimes he's kind of a

875
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,039
little bit slow. I feel like to react some of

876
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:35,840
the players are happening in front of him, and if

877
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,159
he just plays a little looser, I think that could

878
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:42,559
be improved. The effort in tackling is pretty good, but

879
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,880
he does miss a few tackles at this point. I

880
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
like Brandon sis. It's just a natural man cover cornerback

881
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:49,800
if you want to go a little bit and play

882
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,000
a lot more man than zone at this point, and

883
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:56,519
D'Angelo pons he would be, if not the top cornerback

884
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:58,280
in this class. He's certainly in the mansword de lane.

885
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,159
Speaker 1: Jermond mccache sticks one and he would go he'd be

886
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,719
like the number two overall. Pick.

887
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be like right up there with Derek Stingley.

888
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,760
He's basically Derek Stingley, except when you look at his

889
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:08,639
and he's got one of the funny what do they

890
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,239
call him spider charts on his mock draftable dot com.

891
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,840
It's like this big triangle because the jumps out of

892
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,280
the gym. His hands are actually pretty big, but everything

893
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,840
else is just non existent on that because officially five

894
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,840
eight and five eights that is second percentile. There's almost

895
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,119
no one who has success at tet size in the NFL.

896
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 1: I'm looking eye to eye to ponds.

897
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: So you're looking there, you go. What you're hoping for

898
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,519
is that he's Tyron Matthew. Right, That's what you're hoping for,

899
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,159
is he's Tyron Matthew, who you just say, You're doing

900
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,559
everything on the field. You can play outside, you can

901
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,599
play inside, go out, get the ball. You're a great

902
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:46,239
cover corner. I mean he is hanged. You see it.

903
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,280
Like against Ohio State, he is in the hip hocket

904
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,679
on Jeremiah smith Man, who will talk about very early

905
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,679
next year. He is probably the best that I saw

906
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,840
anyone do against him all year. But yeah, he's there,

907
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,679
but he's given up six inches too, and so they

908
00:43:57,679 --> 00:43:59,639
just throw it high over him. He's giving up eight

909
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,480
inches and some of these cases you just see him

910
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,199
sometimes get He's a stud who just gets physically dominated.

911
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,880
There's things he can't do where they'll say against Oregon,

912
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,400
you're hanging in there with Jamari Johnson, but he cannot

913
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,159
get He can't do it because of his size, and

914
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:14,960
it's not a lack of effort. There's nothing he can

915
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,440
do about that. I feel bad to say that. I

916
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,719
think he should absolutely go day two. And if he

917
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,519
was on your team, I think he'll be good for

918
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,519
what he is, but there are just things that his

919
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:27,320
size limits him from what he would be able to

920
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:27,920
do otherwise.

921
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny Emory Hunt put him in the

922
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,360
first round. Yeah, I think so too. That would be awesome.

923
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,079
I just don't think a five eight corner.

924
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: Can go on the first I bet there will be

925
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,679
teams that don't even consider him honestly, I mean which

926
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:43,920
they would consider him, but they will not consider him

927
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,920
in the second round or right A two.

928
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's going day two. Someone is gonna take

929
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,400
him because you can see all the production. Someone is

930
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,639
taking him for sure. Only two safeties in the second round.

931
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Officially on mock trat database. AJ Halsey from LSU number

932
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,159
fifty six, I got him as downhill hitter works through

933
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,719
traffic to limit the ball carrying and sticks the pass

934
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,199
catcher violently. Ten career interceptions, shows his nose to get

935
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,159
the ball and the special team's ace type as well. Downside,

936
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,400
big hitter that doesn't rap well. Closing speed isn't there

937
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,360
when he's a step behind, smaller frame, not great in

938
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,360
contested situations. Then Kyante Scott at number sixty one, crazy

939
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,679
fast gambler, goes for the quarterback and the ball all

940
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,800
the time to disrupt the play. Incredible working through traffic

941
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,280
for his size. Special teams, coverage and coaches love his

942
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,880
relentless energy. Of the positives negatives, he loses those gambles.

943
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,679
Sometimes small frame can get washed away and runs import

944
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,039
and box out by big targets. Twenty five year old

945
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,519
rookie and a little position list. I think he's a

946
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,280
slot corner, but he's listed his safety here.

947
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an interesting one. I'll start with I'll start

948
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,599
with Kiante Scott. So both of these players are in

949
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,360
my I said the first three, the Caleb Downs, Villetinum

950
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,920
and emmanuelt Nea Warren are all in the tiers of

951
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,719
their own. And then I have this tier of four

952
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,639
Kiante Scott and A. J. HIL's here actually at the

953
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:05,480
bottom of this fourth tier for me, which is firmly

954
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,239
Day two picks. Kiante Scott is a little higher. My

955
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,760
first line is I'm not really sure whether to call

956
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,400
him a safety or cornerback because he's he's good at

957
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,280
the run. He is one of the best run defenders

958
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,039
in this class. Honestly, for any secondary player. He is

959
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:21,079
just an awesome tackler. They ask him to do so

960
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:25,199
many things, phenomenal breaks on the ball. Sometimes it really instinctual.

961
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,320
Some guys are just a naturally good blitzer. But you

962
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,719
said it right, twenty five years old, it's hard to

963
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
know what you're really drafting. He's been around for years

964
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,000
and this was only a year that you ever see

965
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,119
him really have a lot any production like this, But

966
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,360
love the tackling as long as you know what you're getting.

967
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,280
Sometimes man coverage is tough on him, right you watch

968
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,679
the National title game. He just can't stay with Omar Cooper.

969
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,440
He's physically not talented or not athletically gifted enough to

970
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,000
be able to run with someone who can just open

971
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:54,880
up and go down the field for a slot corner,

972
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,880
and so as the league gets to more big slot

973
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,719
players as opposed to it was just always little, small,

974
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,360
shifty guys. The league goes to more big slot players

975
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,599
and players that are transitioning, you know, we move Devon

976
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,960
Dadams into the slot. I don't know if Keyante Scott

977
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,360
can hang with players like that. So he is a

978
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,280
good player who has a very unique skill set. I

979
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,000
think he'll be awesome on special teams. I think he

980
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:18,679
will be just fine as someone you can bring in

981
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,440
on first and second down to make differences in the game.

982
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,280
But there are definitely limitations to me for what Kante

983
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,480
Scott offers, and there's limitations for j Halsey too. The

984
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:29,280
limitation for j Halsey is he just doesn't move as

985
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,199
well as a lot of the safety like the secondary

986
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,199
players that we've talked about right now, He's going to

987
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,960
be a bit of a weaker athlete than those guys.

988
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,360
The timing is awesome. He attacks the ball, he looks.

989
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,519
He looks to make big hits at the expense of

990
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,599
breaking down and tackling. He misses some tackles I think

991
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:46,039
he should get to but really instinctive cover player who

992
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,760
understands that he will bait players or bait quarterbacks and

993
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,119
the bad throws, especially over the middle of the field.

994
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,079
He will also try to punch the ball as far

995
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,639
as getting outside. But he's someone yet he is a

996
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,719
traditional safety that you want in a too high set,

997
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,880
Like you don't want to say, aj Halsey, you're our

998
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,880
single high safety cover the entire field back there, because

999
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,239
he just doesn't have that. I don't think the range

1000
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,480
to do that. So it's hon as you know what

1001
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,840
you're getting with aj Halsey. I would be happy to

1002
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,320
take him day two. But he is also the seventh

1003
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,960
graded safety I have on my board, and that's the

1004
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,599
final the bottom of tier four there, which is the

1005
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:19,760
Day two players for sure.

1006
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean let go, let's go to the third round.

1007
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,599
There's a lot and this is where it balloons right

1008
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,199
the third round, and I think most of these guys

1009
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:34,400
are still gonna go Day two in my opinion. So

1010
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,079
there's five corners, there's five safeties as well, and there's

1011
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,760
way more corners after this round. But safety is kind

1012
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,519
of dry up in this round, So starting with the corners.

1013
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,639
Keith Abney from Arizona State. Dillingham said Abney was part

1014
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:50,719
of the ASU culture change, a willing tack goaler. A

1015
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,280
tackler pushes wide receivers to the sideline, really sticks in

1016
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,159
man as well. I can get out of phase and

1017
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:59,199
it seems like he falls behind. When he falls behind,

1018
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,639
he misses big. Thirteen penalties in two seasons for Abney

1019
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:08,039
at Arizona State. Davison ag Benison from Ohio State. Perimeter guy,

1020
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,280
only tall and along, really good at pressing with his size,

1021
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,760
willing tackler, and Rundy has the speed to stick with

1022
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,719
wide receivers. Stayed healthy thirty penalties, though sixteen in twenty

1023
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,440
twenty four. He did cut that to five last year

1024
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,719
for the Good Lord. Lapses in route recognition sometimes. Willing tackler,

1025
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,119
but needs to refine his tackling. Julian Neil from Arkansas

1026
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,800
a great athlete with the size and speed. Great change

1027
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,280
the direction, recovery speed, physical and willing tackler. He goes

1028
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,880
for that blow up hit a little bit too much

1029
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,320
instead of wrapping. Only sixteen starts in college football. Tracking

1030
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,280
the ball works sometimes and disappears at other times as well.

1031
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,719
Milik Muhammad my boy from Texas. Very good instincts, greate

1032
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,440
with his hands and pressed strong combine speed and vert

1033
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,480
doesn't get routed by many wide receivers. He can't get

1034
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:56,880
pushed off his spot with his narrow frame, and the

1035
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,239
testing speed might be a little bit better than what

1036
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,719
we see in the on field speed. And then Devin

1037
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,159
Moore from Florida number ninety nine long fast, you can

1038
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,440
really clamp down and stop a wide receiver at the line.

1039
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,760
Another quarterback that uses the sideline well and pushes those guys.

1040
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,679
Only two penalties in twenty twenty three in his collegiate career,

1041
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,679
so no other penalties and a special team's ace for

1042
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:23,159
Devin Moore. Lots of injuries so growin a seed back concussion,

1043
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,559
but the shoulders bothered him since high school and he

1044
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,599
needs to be a little bit of a better tackler

1045
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:31,599
skinny and needs to add bulk as well. So more

1046
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,559
Malik Muhammad, Julian Neil, Ig Bennison, and Keith Abney. What's

1047
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:37,519
your order here?

1048
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: So I have Julian Neil. He is the next one

1049
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,559
night after Dangel Pines. He starts a new tier for me.

1050
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,119
Julian Neil is the top of that tier. It's an

1051
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,599
ideal NFL frame to be a boundary cornerback.

1052
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: He's long.

1053
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: He has good technique mixed with lanth a really strong

1054
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,280
tackler who is willing to get off of blocks like

1055
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,679
you'll see him actively attack in the run game. He's

1056
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,360
not just hanging out out on the sideline saying, if

1057
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,079
the ball comes my way, I'm gonna make a play.

1058
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,159
He is really trying to make a play in the secondary.

1059
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,440
Moves really well for a player of his size. But

1060
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,360
the concern here is the deep speed. I don't again,

1061
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,000
if it's a cornerback, if he's not starting from a

1062
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,119
slightly off position. NFL wide receivers I think would just

1063
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,400
turn could just run right by him at this point.

1064
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:20,960
But someone who I would feel very comfortable taking day

1065
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,079
two with his ability to lock down man coverage with length.

1066
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,840
The next one of the guys you've already talked about.

1067
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,519
I have someone in between Julian Neil, but I have

1068
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,599
Keith Abney at eleven. So there's a player we haven't

1069
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,639
talked about yet who's in between Julian Neil and Keith Abney.

1070
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,639
But Keith Abney is eleven for me. I love the

1071
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,280
way Keith Abney plays man like. It's so fun to

1072
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,599
watch Keith Abney play. He is doing everything out there zone.

1073
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,199
His zone IQ is off the charts. His ability to

1074
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,559
just move from one receiver to another receiver, ball skills

1075
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,719
there to make the plays. Again, He's a combination of

1076
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,840
a sticky coverage and an impactful player. He will get

1077
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,000
called for a few defensive passinger fearance calls, but really

1078
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,039
really solid splash plays are there. He makes plays on

1079
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:08,320
the ball, great catches. The tackling effort isn't a question,

1080
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,880
but the length limitations show up at times and he

1081
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,480
just can't quite make all the tackles that he wants to,

1082
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,320
and so he just because he also sometimes he'll do

1083
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,880
a little more face guarding than I like as far

1084
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,719
as rather than playing the ball. But to me, Keith

1085
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,880
Abney's all the best parts of what Jiar Alexander can do,

1086
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,599
as far as before all the knee injuries set in

1087
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:29,960
there before that, a lot of what Ji Alexander did

1088
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,159
as far as being a smaller guy who can play outside,

1089
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:36,280
I Thinkkeith Abney's got that in there. The other player

1090
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,519
that's in that same tier that I have is Malik

1091
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,400
Muhammad's the bottom of that tier. I mean, this is

1092
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,800
your dude, So another Texas guy not quite the Jedai

1093
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,880
Baron level players. But I believe that he is AJ

1094
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,039
Green's cousin, so shout out to that. I haven't had

1095
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,119
mine notes he is AJ Green's cousin. It part of

1096
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,039
the reason that he's so good is that he uses

1097
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:58,280
hands well to punch the ball away. You think he'd

1098
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,960
be too small to be a good tackler, but that's

1099
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,960
actually not true. He's a really aggressive tackler, traditional man cornerback,

1100
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:07,159
more than someone I would want to cover in a zone.

1101
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,280
He has some weird stance. I don't know if I'm

1102
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,360
the only one that notices that. I think he stands

1103
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,440
awkwardly before the play wide right, yes, and because of that,

1104
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,519
he doesn't swivel his hips as well as you'd like.

1105
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:17,920
I feel like there are times where you just want

1106
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,559
to like just drop down and play a little lower

1107
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,440
but good feel for zone coverage measures small as we expected,

1108
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,719
but play is really physical. I really like what Malik

1109
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,559
Muhammad offers, and he is someone I'd be happy to

1110
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,960
take Day three. Now, these next two guys that you

1111
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,079
have on here, Davison and Bignosen and Devin Moore, they

1112
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,119
actually fall into a different tier for me. Devin Moore

1113
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:40,559
is the very top of that tier, but a lot

1114
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,119
of it's the injuries. Man, When you see him out there,

1115
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,360
it's a fluid mover, kind of tall and lean, but

1116
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:49,760
the history of shoulder injuries, he gets a little like

1117
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,079
lack sometimes. I feel like in his zone run I

1118
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,360
talk about how Keith Abny's great at passing off players

1119
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,079
in the zone. I saw Devin Moore run right past

1120
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,320
his own and just completely leave a player open. And

1121
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,159
so while I think he has the acceleration, I think

1122
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,320
he gets a bit of flat footed like Devin Moore.

1123
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,679
To me, he has dead more of a Day three

1124
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,320
player than someone I want to take on Day two.

1125
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:09,880
And I don't get the hype on Davis and Enigmuinosen

1126
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,079
at all. I don't get why Davis and Nigunosen is

1127
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:16,280
getting this much hype. What excuse me?

1128
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: If you need a penalty, if you need a you

1129
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,320
draft him.

1130
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: Man, he's awesome. Now you get all the penalties in

1131
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,920
the world. The penalties are problem. I'm not sure he

1132
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,760
understands that he's in good position. He can just knock

1133
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,039
the ball down instead of grabbing the wide receiver. His

1134
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,320
grabs are just they're not even attempting to hide it.

1135
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,639
He is just really going it. He has now for

1136
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,440
a guy who plays cornerback for Ohio State. You can

1137
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,840
see the athleticisms there, but it's so it's so handsy,

1138
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,880
it's a physical presence that, yes, he should be better

1139
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,639
than it is. I think there's a wide range of

1140
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,840
all comes here. If you could just say, here, man,

1141
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,960
wear these boxing gloves in practice and pretend that your

1142
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,079
hands aren't existing there and don't put your hands on

1143
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,599
the receiver, I guess he could turn and run with

1144
00:54:55,639 --> 00:55:00,760
a lot of players. But it's it's flashes of greatness

1145
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,079
out of Davison Abinosa, but there are so much inconsistency

1146
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:04,880
that there's no way I would take him in Day

1147
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,000
two of the NFL Draft. I don't think that that's

1148
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:08,679
at all where he deserves to go. I have him,

1149
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,920
actually have him at eighteen among cornerbacks. So yeah, that's whatever.

1150
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:15,760
I'll eat that one kind of a hater, I suppose,

1151
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,480
but I think he's much, very firmly a Day three

1152
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,440
guy to me.

1153
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Just a Wisconsin fan hanging on Ohio State. I don't

1154
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,280
mind that at all. I like seeing it, honestly. Yeah,

1155
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,199
it's an interesting class here for sure, God God the

1156
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,480
diamonbacks keep giving up runs. Five safeties here. Kamaria Ramsey

1157
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,079
at number eighty five really covers a lot of ground,

1158
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:43,079
great reaction that drawn out plays crazy, versatile and adjust

1159
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:47,360
to whatever the team needs. Tackling needs work and only

1160
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,119
two picks. Bud Clark at TCU great at the Senior

1161
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:53,440
Bowl and turned a lot of heads fifteen interceptions. This

1162
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:55,760
dude knows how to go after the ball. He played

1163
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,440
everything most penalties his last season, though that was kind

1164
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,519
of concerning me. He's to add muscle and he gambles

1165
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:06,159
and misses on occasion. Zakiwe Lee from Penn State fluid

1166
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,599
mover that glides, closes the ball very well. Willing tackler,

1167
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,599
zero penalty, six touchdowns in his collegiate career. Not at

1168
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,480
not a great blitzer closes well, but a step behind

1169
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:23,079
and coverage sometimes occasionally whiffs and takes bad angles at

1170
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:26,559
the line because he's moving so fast. Genesis Smith one

1171
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:29,320
of my favorites here at number ninety six. Incredible covering

1172
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,000
free safety, tracks the ball well, can man up a

1173
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,639
wide receiver. Tall and Smith mover loved by coaches his

1174
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:38,119
teammates for his energy, guy can't tackle right. Much better

1175
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:42,519
real player than a fantasy player for sure. Twenty percent

1176
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,599
misstackle percentage and that was his best season. Not a

1177
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,320
willing tackler. Occasionally bites on fakes as well. And then

1178
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,519
Jalen Kilgore from South Carolina, who I think is the

1179
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,719
slot CB now. He tacks the ball, eight interceptions, three

1180
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,559
fource fumbles, nine touchdowns in his career and nineteen pass breakups.

1181
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:04,719
Got big hitter that wraps up, and he's a punt returner,

1182
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,039
he can get routed. He's a gambler everywhere in contact,

1183
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,440
going for a blow up tackle and going for the ball.

1184
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,719
So he's Kenny Rogers a little bit there. So uh,

1185
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,360
you're these safeties? Is what is the order of yours?

1186
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,199
And are we missing anybody from this group?

1187
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:22,639
Speaker 2: So I know it's everything you said about genisis Smith

1188
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:24,400
is true. I have him at four, man, I have

1189
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,880
him at four going after the ball, Go get me

1190
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,840
the ball, like I will live with the bad tackling.

1191
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:31,599
And it's true.

1192
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:35,079
Speaker 1: It is him in Seattle like everybody else has your job.

1193
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:36,880
Have this guy go Rome, you know.

1194
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: Exactly he's His range is crazy. The amount of space

1195
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,719
this guy can cover is just nuts. If you're playing

1196
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,960
like a traditional single high safety and you just say

1197
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:50,880
go get me the ball. Gennesis Smith is the best

1198
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,880
news Glass. I think it's better than me and Caleb

1199
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,559
Down's is just saying go get me the ball, and

1200
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:56,360
he can do it. You can track the ball, he

1201
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,360
will catch it with his hands, can force turnovers, does

1202
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,039
take someone necessary risks. But like you said, the tackling,

1203
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,800
there's bad tackling, and then there's what Genesis Smith is

1204
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,639
putting out there. Man, it is. It's terrible looking right now,

1205
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,599
but it's exactly what Kaylen Bullock offered, right That's the

1206
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:14,599
easy one here. It's what kayaln Bullock does for a

1207
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:18,000
tent for Houston, which is one of the best defenses

1208
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,400
of the league. Kaylen Bullock, I would still not say

1209
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,800
he's a good tackler, but they have Jaylen Petrie there

1210
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,039
and they have you know, Kamara Lassiter and all these

1211
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:28,960
great other cornerbacks and secondary players around him. The same

1212
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,159
thing with Genesis Smith you mentioned Seattle. Just drop him

1213
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:33,079
into a place like that and I think he is

1214
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:36,000
going to be awesome in the NFL. I have Kamari

1215
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:37,760
Ramsey right behind him. Those are the two guys I

1216
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,400
had to have a head of Kiante Scott and aj Halsey.

1217
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,599
To me, Kamari Ramsey was just played out of position

1218
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:46,559
all year. I don't know why they did that in

1219
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:51,159
twenty twenty four. The year before, they just said just

1220
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:53,719
play traditional safety, and you could see him raiding eyes

1221
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,320
and playing sideline to sideline making plays on the ball.

1222
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840
And then this year they said, Nope, you're just a

1223
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,760
nickel cornerback and we're gonna ask you to play a

1224
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,320
lot of man coverage. I guess NFL teams might like

1225
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,360
the versatility there, but he's clearly better at safety, like

1226
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,360
excellent feel for zone coverage, maybe take some poort angles,

1227
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,760
can miss some gaps on because of that. I saw

1228
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,880
him miss a few tackles on Emma Johnson. But this

1229
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,599
is his day two safety, Day two safety prospect, especially

1230
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:23,000
if he goes back to playing more free safety than cornerback.

1231
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,320
The next player of the players you talked about here

1232
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:30,960
would be I don't have my list up, Bud Clark, No.

1233
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,199
I good talking about Jaalen Kilgore, right, Jalen Kilgore is

1234
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,840
my safety right after aj halse which would be number

1235
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,519
eight for me. It's a lot of the same stuff

1236
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:41,400
I just said about Kamari Ramsey as far as a

1237
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,760
player who kind of played out a position this year.

1238
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,360
He can be a part returner, good size safety, I

1239
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,800
think he can get even more, but ball hawking safety,

1240
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,760
attacks the ball with a purpose. He does get lost

1241
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,639
a little bit in zone coverage, especially on underneath players. Again,

1242
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,400
maybe a little over aggressive tackler, but it's not to

1243
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,519
the same extent as Nick emin War. I wouldn't put

1244
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,840
that on anybody, but a lot of things they do

1245
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,400
with that they did with em and Warrior at South

1246
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,760
Carolina is exactly what they do with Jalen Kilgore. He's

1247
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,320
just not the massive size that em and Worry was

1248
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,480
who could move like that, and there might be a

1249
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,280
long time before we get a player of that caliber.

1250
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,480
But really good his thing is, but the way they

1251
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:20,679
were using him on the slot cornerback role, if he

1252
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,639
didn't get his hands on you, there's just plays that

1253
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:25,400
he can't hang with the speediness like they played Texas

1254
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,079
A and M and he was basically manned up on

1255
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,800
Kevin Concepci on Casey conceptsy O. That's just a massive mitchmatch.

1256
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,800
That's not what he should do. So again, just play

1257
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,599
him more to traditional safety role and I think you'll

1258
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:38,239
get a better player out of him. After him, I

1259
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,199
have Bud Clark. Bud Clark is nine for me. I

1260
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:43,880
mean this is a free safety. With the way that

1261
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,880
he plays right chose the game, couple interceptions, you can

1262
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,239
see the instincts are there, ball hawking attitude, looking to

1263
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,039
make splash plays. It's six years of college. And my

1264
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:53,960
thing with Bud Clark is it's six years of college

1265
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,280
and I think he might be maxed out, right. Yeah,

1266
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,159
don't think he's got I don't think there's this another

1267
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,079
level the Bud Clark. But I think he's a solid

1268
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,199
player right now who's got six year's experience on him,

1269
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:05,920
and you can drop him in and play him right away.

1270
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,800
And I'm a little lower on Zachi Wheatley. I have

1271
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,559
him at twelve. Among cornerbacks. There's a couple of guys

1272
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,599
that are ahead of this. It's a lot of the

1273
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:16,440
same stuff I just said about called Clark right and

1274
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,320
on his things. I think that their scheme hides some

1275
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,519
of his deficiencies because they start him he is starting

1276
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:25,079
like twenty yards off the ball when the start of

1277
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:27,239
the ball. I don't know why they play him so deep,

1278
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,360
and because of that, everything is just consistently in front

1279
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,920
of him. And while he gets around the ball a lot,

1280
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,360
he doesn't always get the ball carry on the ground.

1281
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,400
I don't think he's actually a very good tackler. I

1282
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,599
think he's I mean, he's not bast Jams Smith, but

1283
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,360
he is an okay tackler.

1284
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: Yes, he takes bad angles.

1285
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:48,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I said, it's because he's playing so deep

1286
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,239
that it just feels like, I don't know what they're

1287
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:52,800
telling him. Don't let anybody get by you. He is

1288
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,679
very aggressive. I love how he plays like his guys

1289
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:58,159
are like his hairs on fire out there. But there's

1290
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,840
a lot of I think his tape is better than

1291
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,239
it needs to be because I think that they just

1292
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,159
help him a lot. And so because of that, I

1293
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:07,159
have him. I mean, this is still twelve. Here is

1294
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,400
borderline day two, early day three to me. So I'm

1295
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,039
not like completely out on Zaki Wheatley. I just don't

1296
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,079
have him as high as the list that you're pulling

1297
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:14,480
up here.

1298
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,599
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the fourth and fifth round.

1299
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:21,119
I'm gonna combine these two. I'm just gonna roll through these.

1300
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:25,239
There's ten corners here, and I told you that safety

1301
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,559
drives up. There's two say you know what, let's just

1302
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,719
do this safeties uh VJ. Payne from k State and

1303
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,039
one thirty one. I got him as tall and rangey,

1304
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,440
great mover, willing tackler, needs to use his frame a

1305
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,280
little better, needs to wrap when tackling better, needs to

1306
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,280
be in better physicians on occasion. So there's things to

1307
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,920
work on. But it's a nice ball of clay of

1308
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,679
mold there. And then my boy Michael Tapp, great blitzing safety,

1309
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:49,719
could cover well enough, but is very undersized special teams

1310
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:54,320
ace and he will, he's he's gonna he's gonna be

1311
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:56,360
in the league for a long time as a special

1312
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,000
teamer in my opinion. So those two safeties. The other

1313
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:05,239
safeties in the sixth round Archcoby Thomas Spears, Schenning's Bishop Fitzgerald,

1314
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,119
and then the other draftable safeties Lewis Moore from Indiana,

1315
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:12,039
Ken o' daniels from Oklahoma, Cole was Newski from Texas Tech,

1316
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:16,320
and Dalton Johnson from Arizona. Of the remaining safeties, who

1317
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:16,880
do you like?

1318
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:20,559
Speaker 2: So you actually haven't mentioned the guy that I have

1319
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,679
in this highest one left. I love what Jalen Husky

1320
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:26,719
does at Maryland. I love what you corner. Oh, okay Horner, Okay,

1321
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:28,159
because if we're gonna pla you talk about him in

1322
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,519
a corner. But he is really high for me. VJ.

1323
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:32,559
Payn you mentioned he is right below Bud Clark, He's

1324
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:36,199
ahead of Zachy Wheatley. It's just this mass. I don't

1325
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:38,320
know where Kansas State finds these defensive backs that have

1326
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,920
lest pterodactyl arms. They always have these guys that are right, yeah, yeah,

1327
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,679
Juju Brents right. These just massively long guys and because

1328
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:50,400
of that like better man coverage player than most safeties.

1329
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,079
I think VJ. Pain is long enough to eliminate the

1330
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,719
tight end, fast enough to cover some slot receivers. But

1331
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:59,800
its uix. Because he's big, he doesn't shift very well.

1332
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:01,719
He should be a better blitzer than he is. I

1333
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:04,840
think he's just slow to react. It seems like at

1334
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,679
times he's just not quite as you know, twitchy as

1335
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:09,920
a lot of these other safeties behind him.

1336
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: I have.

1337
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: Cole was Newski's right below z the Key Wheatley, and

1338
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,599
then Lewis Moore and Robert Spears Jennings is in that range.

1339
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:21,519
Jacobe Thomas, Michael taff all the guys you talked about

1340
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,360
are in that same tier. This is like round five

1341
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,440
to six. Newski was one year in Texas Tech after

1342
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:32,199
transferring from North Dakota State. He missed all of twenty

1343
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,960
twenty four with a foot injury. I thought I did

1344
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:37,480
not watch him a lot during the year, and then

1345
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,119
I went back through because he looks so good at

1346
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,159
the Shrine Bowl actually, and I was like, wow, I

1347
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:42,679
gotta go back and watch him. And then they didn't

1348
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:44,679
invite him to the Combine, which again so dumb. I

1349
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:46,480
don't know why he didn't get an invite to the Combine.

1350
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:48,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody should be invited to the kind of man,

1351
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,800
do the combine for ten days? What are you doing

1352
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:51,559
with the stadium?

1353
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: And mind his bad tendency, I would say, if I

1354
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,320
had to, I like a lot with Coles Newsky does.

1355
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,000
He has a bad tendency of jumping and leaping at people.

1356
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,480
As far as attackle Lerk is concerned, just just keep

1357
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,800
your base, man, keep your base and tackle better. Because

1358
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,239
he's very athletic. I'm he's very good player. I would

1359
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:11,920
be very happy, especially on special teams, Lewis Moore. So

1360
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,360
if D'Angelo Pan's is the star of the Indiana defense,

1361
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,559
Lewis Moore and we didn't talk about Aiden Fisher under

1362
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:22,440
a linebacker. But those two are just rock solid, unathletic,

1363
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,360
given you know NFL standards, they're much more athletic than me.

1364
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,800
But compared to NFL players, like, they're just not the

1365
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,039
athletes that they are. But Lewis Moore a get another one.

1366
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,960
I think he's kind of like Michael Taft. They'll carve

1367
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,639
all these long roles you mentioned special teams and if

1368
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:37,480
you need to play him on the defense, they're not

1369
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:38,719
going to hurt you. I don't know if they're going

1370
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,519
to be ever like players. I want to play out

1371
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,760
down to down, but they won't hurt you. Jacoby Thomas

1372
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,440
is in that same range. He he was more important

1373
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,039
to what Miami did than even what Kan'te Scott is

1374
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,320
because they would ask him to do everything game to beam.

1375
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,360
It would be tackling, it would be blitzing, and it's

1376
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,920
a very experienced player. A couple of touchdowns on picks

1377
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,440
this year, but man, he was on so many tackles

1378
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,880
and he just over pursues and a they just basically

1379
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,480
tell him go get the ball. And because of that,

1380
01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:10,760
you're like, but you just left your your your gap

1381
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,760
is wide open, man, Like, I get it. You're you

1382
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,559
really want to get the ball, but I need you

1383
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:18,119
to play some team defense too in here. So if

1384
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:20,000
you watch the Koma Timas, I get why some people

1385
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:22,199
like him. I feel like it's just not the type

1386
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:25,480
of player I like. And Robert Spears Jennings is just

1387
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:31,039
a really physically gifted player for Oklahoma who doesn't always

1388
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:32,760
quite seem to understand what he's doing. It's kind of

1389
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,800
like a lesser version of what von Belda did for

1390
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,079
a long time to me. So so that's kind of

1391
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,440
what I have for Robert Spears Jennings. Good safeties, but

1392
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:44,599
I really like about fifteen of them, and after that

1393
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:46,039
it kind of drops off a little.

1394
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: Bit going over to the corners in the fourth and

1395
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,360
fifth round. We got ten of these dudes here just

1396
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,880
in the fourth and fifth and obviously more beyond that.

1397
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:57,960
At one O five Dalen Everett strong tackler. Play speed

1398
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,480
doesn't live up to game speed, and he does get

1399
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,280
routered on occasion for Chandler rivers from Duke. I got

1400
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,079
him as an undersized CB with lots of experienced great production,

1401
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,760
but he has undersized guys issues right, probably gonna sicken

1402
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,039
the slot. Tough tackling, tough, getting bodied up. Will leave

1403
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,159
from Texas a and m tall and explosive, long arms

1404
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:19,480
and really sticks with his targets. A little narrow frame

1405
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:21,079
and we'll tug if he gets beat and take the

1406
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:27,679
flag to Caryo Washington. He from to Carrio Davis from Washington.

1407
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,280
Great size and length, great ball skills, can get lost

1408
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,679
in coverage and spun around the occasional flag for him

1409
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:39,079
as well. Price Sock from Washington. Great size and speeds,

1410
01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:43,159
strong and contested situations. He's got special teams coverage. He's

1411
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,519
narrow in a bit slow in transition, doesn't play the

1412
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:49,079
ball very well either. In the fifth round, got Charles

1413
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:52,639
Demings from Steven F. Austin, small school guy, physical and fluid,

1414
01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:55,400
sticks with the target. Low level competition as hard time

1415
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,440
shutting blocks. Hezekiah Masses from cal We got tall enough

1416
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,280
but underweight, great coverage skills, but rough tackler and has

1417
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,440
to add mass. He's only one hundred and seventy nine pounds. TJ.

1418
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,679
Hall from Iowa. Great instincts, it goes after the ball,

1419
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:11,920
but the speed is bad enough to question if he

1420
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,760
can play at the next level. Jade and Kennedy from

1421
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,079
Oregon strong slock cornerback and he's undersize. Really was able

1422
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:21,199
to keep the play in front of him, but size

1423
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:24,399
targets will give him issues. And then there's like that

1424
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,880
is Dixon, Devin Marshall, Demany Jackson from North Carolina, n

1425
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,199
C State and Bama in the sixth and in the

1426
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:34,640
seventh it's Lorenzo Styles from Ohio State had an insane combine,

1427
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,800
Andre Fuller from Toledo and Colin Wright from Stanford as well.

1428
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,840
Who do you like of the remaining corners in this class?

1429
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,079
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys you talked about in there,

1430
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,359
so actually the highest one I have I have Jaden

1431
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,359
Kennedy at number ten. Okay, it's I just have all

1432
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,319
these kind of slack cornerbacks in the same range as

1433
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,760
It's julian Neal and then it's the four slack cornerbacks

1434
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,359
back to back to back back, but Kennedy's the highest.

1435
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,680
It's Kennedy, then Keith Abney, then Chandler Rivers, then Malik Muhammad.

1436
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:04,840
I really like what Jadan Kennedy offers as far as

1437
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,840
someone who's played in three different college teams because of

1438
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,800
the transferring up he went from Tulane to Ole Miss

1439
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:15,840
to Oregon, but combination like slots, safety, outside cornerback. His

1440
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,000
best fits clearly slot because of his size, but plays

1441
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,319
through the football the entire way at the catchpoint. Very

1442
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:25,239
aggressive man coverage is awesome. Doesn't have the speed to

1443
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:27,720
run down field with someone. But like you turn on

1444
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,960
and watch theenum and you'd be like, wait, but Jayane

1445
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,680
Kennedy's around the ball just as much. He just can't

1446
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,359
always turn around and find the football, and that's that's

1447
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:37,399
an issue. But I think the slot helps him in

1448
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,439
that role. To me, he's like watch of Die baron

1449
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,439
ded Light. That's kind of what I can hope to

1450
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,359
get out of Jaydan Kennedy. As far as a slot

1451
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,239
cornerback who can kind of make his impact on games

1452
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,680
in a bunch of different ways. Chandler Rivers is a

1453
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,439
very similar player. He's the next highest guy of the

1454
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,039
guys who talked about. He is so aggressive man, he

1455
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:59,359
is up there. He is pressing. The word I used

1456
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:02,239
to describe cham the Rivers is just annoying. I yet

1457
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:06,159
play against him is so annoying because his vertical's awesome.

1458
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,800
He's just not big, but man, is he in your face.

1459
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:12,479
He is out understanding his own coverages ideal like good luck.

1460
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,880
I bet he is a very not fun player to

1461
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,600
play against us. By the way, I'm phrased after them,

1462
01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:24,880
I have Dalen Everett up here. Really, he's like right

1463
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,239
below Davis and Niguinosen.

1464
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,199
Speaker 1: I think one of the first things he said about

1465
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:31,760
this class is, look, I'm gonna be high on Daleen Evritt.

1466
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,039
I think we were watching a Georgia game or something

1467
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:36,159
or talking about Georgia, and you're like, I'm not gonna

1468
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:36,920
be high on that guy.

1469
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:39,199
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm surprised he's actually as high as he

1470
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:42,399
is on their list. I don't just don't get it. Man,

1471
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,479
he's afraid to tackle, That's what I would say with him.

1472
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,560
He takes some awful angles where he trusts his speed

1473
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,520
too much and he's afraid to tackle, and there are

1474
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:54,119
six foot he's He's he got the size right, he's

1475
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,159
got the length. I said, I'm sure the packers will

1476
01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:58,359
take him because he went to Georgia and I'm gonna

1477
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,319
have to eat it, but I don't quite I don't

1478
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,560
really like Dalen Everett. I have him ahead of Davison Benolsen.

1479
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,159
I do like TJ.

1480
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:04,399
Speaker 1: Hall.

1481
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,319
Speaker 2: You mentioned like the sizes that the speed isn't there.

1482
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:11,560
He's not fast at all. But man, another one, he's

1483
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,279
so fun to watch. He's like it's coverage. His skills

1484
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:16,359
work well on one of once. It's how you tackle

1485
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:19,319
as a cornerback. He'll go up against bigger backs, doesn't

1486
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:21,079
give up an inch. He is looking to get you

1487
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:25,439
to the ground, tackles right through the ballcarrier. But he's tiny,

1488
01:11:26,039 --> 01:11:29,720
won't have elite cornerback athleticism to play the boundary. It's

1489
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,079
some combination of a slot cornerback safety. To me, he's

1490
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:35,159
like what Chris Abrams Strains was a few years ago.

1491
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:37,920
Is kind of a undersized cornerback who's fun to watch.

1492
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,840
I don't know if it really works. I like as

1493
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,960
a kaya, Massy's like he had a ton of early

1494
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,880
on in the year. He popped because through three games

1495
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,359
he led the nation and picks and.

1496
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:49,239
Speaker 1: I feel like just watching cow he was so good.

1497
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 2: Oh he's all over the field, man, Like the only

1498
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:53,800
one point he was like the only one who's great

1499
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,880
at higher than him on PFF was man sort of

1500
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,520
lane and it's because he's just constantly reading the ball,

1501
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,680
not a afraid to play down hill and hit. But

1502
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,079
then you start watching, you're like, oh, but you're that small.

1503
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,279
Your angles are a bit odd, and it shows up

1504
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:09,680
when you're tackling. So there's some physical limitations with him.

1505
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,600
I you know, I just wish he was twenty pounds

1506
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,920
heavier and could tackle a bit more. We'll lump the

1507
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,840
two Washington guys together. I never have moved him. I

1508
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,439
always just keep him right next to each other in

1509
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,680
my rankings. I just don't know how to separate him

1510
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:27,039
because they're so similar looking players. It's just unique size

1511
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,720
and length and gifts that doesn't always show up on

1512
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:34,279
their tape. But those players that big and that long

1513
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,479
get drafted. And even if your tape isn't great, Caryo

1514
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,319
Davis has not had I don't think he's had great

1515
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:40,279
tape for a couple of years now. It's just kind

1516
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:43,239
of like, oh, but you're that long, Okay, we'll take

1517
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:46,359
a chance on you. Price sock looks better on the field, Yeah,

1518
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,520
Carrio Davis and him both will get drafted, just because

1519
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,520
a lot of cornerbacks that size don't they will get picked.

1520
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,880
I have will Lee down there, will Leae to me

1521
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,359
as similar player to Dyalen Everett. I want to like

1522
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:01,319
will Lee Moore than I actually do. I just don't.

1523
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

1524
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: I figure that, but he doesn't. He's got the speed,

1525
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,439
but there's no way he's listed nearly at all as

1526
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,199
he was right. He was not that big, and you

1527
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:16,319
see like he just struggles to get off of He

1528
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,000
struggles to get off in man coverage. So his best

1529
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:20,000
he needs to hit.

1530
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:23,279
Speaker 1: He needs to hit the gym like I I think

1531
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,880
an A and M player. I think if he adds,

1532
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:30,680
if he can add a little bulk and keep the speed,

1533
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,880
he could be something. But he is a project for sure.

1534
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 2: It is uh he is. He just he gets out

1535
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,800
bodied a lot. It's just you can see him not

1536
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,800
being able to stand up and hold up. As far

1537
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,359
as space is concerned, I will I'll talk about Jalen

1538
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,680
Husky here. As far as you have him under cornerback,

1539
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,439
I actually have him under safety. I get why you

1540
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,479
had him. He played a lot of like slat cornerback

1541
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,760
this year, but I have him under safety quick and

1542
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,840
he's really high for me under safety, he is uh

1543
01:13:58,119 --> 01:14:04,279
safety twelve, Okay for thirteen. It's an old school enforcer

1544
01:14:04,319 --> 01:14:06,920
safety with a like a big time frame, not looking

1545
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,920
to just tackle, but to actually throw people to the ground.

1546
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,000
They use him variety of set formations. Sometimes it's this

1547
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,239
slot cornerback, sometimes it's free safety. I think he makes

1548
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:18,760
great jumps on the ball. To me, it's a bit

1549
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,479
of a stretch, but there is the makings of like

1550
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,640
a Javon Holland light like player in what Jalen Husky

1551
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,199
can do. We're just going to take some development. Maryland

1552
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:30,840
also has some success with these safety players, so I

1553
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,880
am I'm willing to take some chance on what Jalen

1554
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,039
Husky offers. But Lorenzo Styles at Sunny Styles Brother, you

1555
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:39,359
mentioned the big the big time combine performance. That is

1556
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:44,319
yet another child of the Missus Styles who has got

1557
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:46,399
these ridiculous blood lines. And I think he'll probably get

1558
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:48,479
picked just on the fact that he ran so well

1559
01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:51,079
just this, you know nothing else. Just tell him at

1560
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:52,720
gunder and just say run straight ahead and go make

1561
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,159
that tackle, and he'll carve out a nice career doing that.

1562
01:14:55,359 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't play at Ohio State, right three

1563
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,720
hundred and fifty one snaps in the slot one hundred

1564
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,279
and forty four free safety seven perimeter like he just

1565
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:07,199
had no So he is absolutely a ball of clay.

1566
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:10,039
But this dude, he's either gonna be an NFL starter

1567
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,560
or do something in the Olympics, I think, because good lord,

1568
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,239
he jumps off the page here. Next year's class looks

1569
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:23,000
pretty good as well. Lots of corners Leonard Moore, OJ

1570
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,600
Frederic from Miami, Elias Robinson from Georgia, all in the

1571
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,960
top twenty at corner Coy Perch a top twenty safety

1572
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,039
from Oregon as of right now, Ashton Hampton from Clemsony

1573
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:40,039
like bowling. My favorite Zabian Brown from Alabama. I have

1574
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:42,199
a personal connection to him. A friend of a friend

1575
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,000
is his mom, So they watched him grow up and

1576
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,840
play in Chandler at high school and then go to

1577
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:53,039
Bama as a big time recruit. And then kJ Bolden

1578
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,520
from Georgia at safety, Marcus Neil from Penn State and

1579
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,600
you know, lots of first round options here or defensive

1580
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,880
backs next year. Is there anyone that you've already looked

1581
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,800
at that you're like, I am excited to see this

1582
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,000
guy play at the next level.

1583
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,359
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't done like any formal scouting, but I've

1584
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:11,760
seen lettermore play enough to know that Leonard Moore's really

1585
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,960
good at cornerback. He's gonna be. He's another really talented cornerback.

1586
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,159
He showed up when Benjamin Morrison got hurt. Right, Benjamin

1587
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:22,399
Morrison missed all of last season, and so as a

1588
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,239
true freshman, he showed up on the field and he

1589
01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:27,039
was great out there, and I expect him to go

1590
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:30,159
quite early. He is like what Will Johnson was pre

1591
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,920
knee injury. That's how good Leonard Moore could be. I've

1592
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,800
done some of these guys under cornerbacks though. I did

1593
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,960
DJ McKinney when he was at he's now he's at

1594
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,479
Notre Dame. I did not really see transferred, but he

1595
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,319
was at Colorado and I thought, okay, well this at

1596
01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:44,039
least early when I did him last I say summer

1597
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:47,520
or early fall, I thought DJ McKinney had a pretty

1598
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,640
good chance of going early in the draft, but it

1599
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,319
kind of fell off. He just he doesn't locate the

1600
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:54,159
ball very well at this point. Hopefully we can get

1601
01:16:54,199 --> 01:16:56,479
some improvement there. I did Cam Calhoun. I also did

1602
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,039
not know he was at Ohio State. Now I did

1603
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,239
in him when he was still a member of Alabama.

1604
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,720
He's before that, he was at Utah, so he's making

1605
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,159
his transfers, but really light player. He's going to get

1606
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:06,840
the same knocks that we did with Nate Wiggins as

1607
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,239
far as just a light player and at safety's there.

1608
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,479
I don't know if I've done I did Bray Hubbard,

1609
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,279
and I did that's I did Rod more like I

1610
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:16,880
want to say three years ago. Rod Moore has been

1611
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,760
in college for like the better part of a five

1612
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,000
years here, and it's a lot of injuries. But Ray Hubbard,

1613
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:26,560
it's going to be a lot of what I said

1614
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,239
about Aj Halsey, where I think Ray Hubbard is very

1615
01:17:29,279 --> 01:17:31,439
good at college and he probably will go Day two

1616
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,359
with the trans picks. But it's taller safeties who are

1617
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,800
don't kind of a little bit on more unathletic. It

1618
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,520
can work, but it's also it's more of a box

1619
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,920
defender than a real true safety. So where does that

1620
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,520
really fall in. Could it be a Day two guy? Yeah,

1621
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,880
I guess it could be a Day two guy, But

1622
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,640
he's got a he's gonna have to show a little

1623
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,680
bit more this year. But yeah, man. I Secondary can

1624
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,720
be really tough to watch at times because there are

1625
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,800
so especially safety, there are so many players with a bald.

1626
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,760
Never even gets to them. You're like, wow, right, you

1627
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,800
moved two steps that play and then it's for and

1628
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,239
so secondary is usually the last thing that I tried

1629
01:18:07,279 --> 01:18:09,199
to watch, especially in the summer, because it can get

1630
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real boring, real fast.

1631
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Speaker 1: Corner. Corner is the hardest position I think in sports.

1632
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Maybe you know, like just to stick and all the

1633
01:18:18,399 --> 01:18:21,279
rules are against you to stick with those wide receivers.

1634
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:24,520
It's just it's a tough tough job to have in sports.

1635
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,239
But yeah, there you go. We did it every position.

1636
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,319
Uh we you know what when do long snappers? Kickers,

1637
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:34,079
the punters? We're not going to So I don't know.

1638
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:36,560
Do you think there is a special team that gets drafted.

1639
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,239
Speaker 2: Let me look, I have a list of here that

1640
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:44,439
I have some kickers, and I think and yeah, I

1641
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,159
think Tray Smack, the kicker for Florida, gets picked. Okay,

1642
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,039
I don't. I don't know about any of the punters.

1643
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,640
Maybe Ryan Eckley from Michigan State gets picked, but that's it.

1644
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,800
I do not. I do not track long snappers. That

1645
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,359
one I have not put on my sheet, and I

1646
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:02,680
will not put that on my sheet. So shut shout

1647
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,880
out long snappers. It's an important position for the NFL.

1648
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,640
But I am not doing any long snappers.

1649
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Speaker 1: Nah No, I mean, you know, how would you could

1650
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,600
take them anyway?

1651
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:10,199
Speaker 2: Uh?

1652
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 1: Look, another good snap? Another good snap? No better, spot

1653
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,079
didn't throw it over his head? Great work, you know,

1654
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,239
I know from long till all right? That is it

1655
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:24,039
for us. Uh, and that is it for us until

1656
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after the draft. And I believe Ck and I are

1657
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,760
going to be on the show on FP doing the

1658
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:34,159
twenty twenty seven way too early mock draft after the

1659
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:37,760
draft this week, so pay attention to that. We will

1660
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,119
have a little bit for you for next year already

1661
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,479
rather quickly. So remember to follow us at Bogman Sports.

1662
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,159
I'll be on you know, we'll be doing Day one

1663
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,840
on IL and then i'll be over on Day two

1664
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,640
for Fantasy Pros and at cop I E p S

1665
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,560
for c K. What you got coming up my friend yep.

1666
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 2: And hanging out with you on Thursday night. I'm also

1667
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,279
going on I forget the name of their show. I

1668
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:04,800
want to say it's like the Offensive Points Show podcast thing.

1669
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,640
One of the nights doing the night something at least

1670
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,600
on and off and doing some things like that. So

1671
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,800
I'm just really excited for the next few days here. Man.

1672
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. NFL Draft time. So that is

1673
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:17,159
it for us and we will see you guys after

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the draft. Good luck, everybody, take it easy,