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On our last show before the draft comes up here
we are ready to go. We're gonna be talking about
the defensive backs in this class. We got lots of
corners in safeties, pretty good class on both sides. I
believe the first round has three for sure defensive backs,
and then our cornerbacks excuse me, and then like a
couple of guys. I think one of them, I don't
know which one, but I think one of them is
gonna sneak in to the first So probably four or
five corners, and then in safety we got three guys.
I think go the opposite there. I think theenemen and
downs are locks. I don't know about McNeil warren so,
but then it's just it's specifically corner and the second
round is deep. There's a couple of safeties in the
second round, and then there's a decent amount of safeties
in the third round. And then you know safety, safety
is a kind of a smaller position, but I think
there's a lot of talent in it this year. But
there's corners, I mean all the way through this class.
So what is what is your overall overarching thought of
the dbs in this class?
Speaker 2: To start here, A lot of the corners that are
in this class are smaller corners. We talked about that
a lot, but this is a lot of Specifically, I
think it's great if you need like a slot cornerback.
There are some awesome small cornerbacks, nickel cornerbacks, hybrid overhang defenders. However,
you want to classify some of these players like you know,
trade On Soukes kind of plays a safety cornerback hybrid
role and Jaden Kennedy kind of does that for Oregon.
So if you like those type of players, it's good
for that. There are definitely outside cornerbacks too, though. And
then safety, I mean, it's when was the last time
we had a top ten safety in the draft. It's
been a while. I know the this is probably the
return I expect. Caleb Downs goes in the top ten
of the draft, and about forty eight hours here, and
and then you said Dylan Tieman probably joins him in
the first round for sure, and then we're gonna see
a lot of safeties. Go. I think i'd a pretty
good class there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really not bad. Now when we go and
we look and we see who needs defensive backs, there
are a lot of defensive back needs. I just went
and looked at like PFF grades, you know, CB and
safeties and kind of you know, like j C. Horn
didn't grade well, but he was hurt all year last year,
so they don't need to replace him. And there's a
couple other guys that did grade well. But I think
maybe like Brandon Stevens actually graded okay, I think he
was at least like above fifty percent. But you may
want to, you know, work on replacing Brandon Stevens. I've
seen him play some bad football on my day. So
let's go over the teams first. We'll go kind of
I guess we'll go team by team here and kind
of try to make it quick. For Dallas, I've got
they need a perimeter excuse me, one perimeter defender. Scheavon
Rivel was one twelve of one twelve graded corners last year,
and Malie Hooker was a little below average of free safety.
I think Durant, Bland and Thompson all okay. The Giants
newsome a debo new Bin, Andrew Phillips and Javon Holland.
Every single piece of their secondary two perimeters, the slot
and both safety spots were below average last season. Philly
did go out and get Treik Wooland, but he was bad.
Marcus Epst just didn't have enough snaps to get a
grade last year. Macouba was a rookie and very very underperforming.
And then with Washington another team where every single piece
of their secondary underperformed. So Giants Washington massive needs, Dallas
in Philly a couple more specific needs in the NFC East.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Washington definitely stands out. It is definitely
need a cornerback, probably go after the edge position first,
but they have there's hope for Tremis I think to
be one of those. I think Sanders still can play
the slot better, but you need an outside cornerback. I
think you can fill that in this role and the
Dallas one that's that's also a really big need for them.
They have other needs, but Chavon Revel did not look
like the same player that pre knee injury Shavon Revel
was at East Carolina. He did not look anything like
that in his rookie season there. And so already it's
what have you done for me lately? League man, especially
in the secondary, if you can't play at the secondary,
you do not get a whole lot of time to
prove yourself. And in Shavin Revel's case, it might have
been a one and done. As far as being a
starting NFL cornerback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you want to say, hey, look,
he was coming off the ACL. He was a rookie,
you know, so there's some meat on the bone here
to grow and he's got good length and everything. But
I just don't know if it's going to work. So
going over to the NFC North Chicago, Jalen Johnson graded
pretty low last season. Kyler Gordon didn't play enough to
get a great I think he only played three games.
Cam Lewis at strong safety was also an underperformer. Kobe
Bryant and Tyreki Stevenson were good, though In Detroit, Terry
and Arnold had a miserable year ninety four of one
hundred and twelve graded, but everything else. I mean, I
know Brian Branch and Kirby Joseph aren't going to start
the season, but they went out and they got Christian
Izzian and another decent safety. I can't remember who the
other one was, but they have enough at safety to
last until their guys come back. It was Chuck Clark
was the other one who played pretty well last season.
And then we go to your Packers. Nixon and Valentine
actually didn't grade terribly. You know, I knew you would
give me the Harry eyebrow on that one. Javon Bullard
was a little under, you know, fifty percent of the
guys graded, and he grated as a safety when he
played more of that nickel slot, that overhang like you
talked about. And then McKinney and Williams were good. So
in the Minnesota they have Pierre and Rogers were both
very good. Byron Murphy, maybe pushing him to the slot
makes him better seventy of one hundred and twelve last year,
and Mattelis played rough at strong safety seventy five and
ninety one. So what are your thoughts on the North
here in the NFC.
Speaker 2: I think we're done with a Terry and Arnold experiment
in Detroit. I just do not. He has had plenty
of time at this point and there has not been
any sign of him getting any better at this time.
So I'm ready to move on from Terry and Arnold.
That one looks like a miss for them. Bought a
still good secondary, especially when everyone's healthy there the Packers. Yeah,
Keishaw Nixon I think is a fine number two who's
had to play up to number one carry to Valentine
just has never seen anything that he wants to tackle
in his life. That's the problem. Like it can cover
a little bit, but he just has absolutely no desire
to tackle at all. And so I'm ready to move
on from Carrington Valentine. Minnesota secondary's been a need for
a while. It feels like they keep trying to pump
resources into this. James Spear that I do like James Spear.
I think you like James Spear as a guy who
saw him play a lot last year, So maybe that's
the starting point here. Josh Mettelis really doesn't play safety,
that's the overhang. That's more of even a linebacker. So
without Arison Smith there, without Josh Mttelli's there. I think
safety is pretty high up to Minnesota needs list as
far as finding a replacement there. So they are always
a team that I considered when I do these mockcrafts.
At this point, I've been pretty much giving them Dylan
Thinum and for the better part of them, I still
like that.
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be pretty close to the
top of their priority board, right it is safety, and yeah, yeah,
interesting on some of these guys. Terry Arnold just you're right,
did not work out at all. Going to the South
here Atlanta, both corners played like just below average seventy five.
They both raised seventy five and one to twelve. Mike
us and aj Terrell not a lot of experience. It's slot.
It's either Darnay Holmes's bad experience or Billy Bowman junior.
And then both the safety's Jesse Bates and Xavier Watts
are strong Carolina, they probably need a slot. JC Horn
and Mike Jackson are good on the perimeter, a strong safety,
you know, Chel Smith Wade eighty one of one to twelve,
Trevin Merrick fifty four ninety one, Nick Scott fifty six
to ninety one. They just below average in the slot
and on the back end, so need some help there.
New Orleans, you know, Yadam played well, Soda McKinstry. Quincy
Riley was like just at average, but I think they're
gonna go ahead and stick with him because he's still
obviously very young and improving in the slot. Jonah Sanker,
also rookie last year, was a little bit below average.
I think they're actually not going to really address the
corners unless, like if Delanne falls to them in the
first round, he might just be BPA on their board, right,
I wouldn't be shocked by that. And then Tampa Bay
Zion McCollum was good, but he had some really ugly
moments on TV, you know, just some He got torched
a couple of games. Ben Morrison was miserable last year.
One was six of one, twelve. Parish was pretty good
in the slot and safety they're at Tike Smith and
Antoine Winfield's so the good there, so big big needs
for Atlanta, and I think the back end for Carolina
really needs to be addressed as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Tampa Bay, I think it's the best pair
of safeties in the league. Tyke Smith and Antoine Winfield
I know Antlin Hild I don't think rated particularly well esteryear,
but he was also pulling an injury all the year
along with him when he was out there. Benjamin Morrison,
it's the same situation as Shavin Ravel there as far
as coming off of the major knee injury, and he
just didn't show it off. We'll see if he gets
another opportunity. I completely agree with you with New Orleans.
They just have other needs. And I thought, you know,
Jonah Sanker was a a three pick who they stepped
in and played for him, so I think you're gonna
give him another opportunity. And he didn't kill you as
far as being bad back there, So they just have
other needs. If if mansor Delaine's, they're sure, you can
say that he's the best play and will take the
best player on the board, but they have other much
bigger needs than their secondary Carolina. It's good to see
Travon Merrick still bad because he's been bad for a
while and nothing changes.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the worst to just pretty bad now.
Speaker 2: Still just got to make sure we still know where're
at there. Do we think that aj Trell is just
really that poor of a player at this point because
he was good.
Speaker 1: I feel like he plays through a lot of injuries, just.
Speaker 2: Kind of taking injury with him. It could be and
it's so hard to play with a nagging injury in
the secondary right just a muscle pull and all the
cutting you have to do while trying to match someone
else's cuts at full speed is really hard. I think
he's better than that. I wouldn't, but I you know,
my cues isn't great. They certainly, again, they can replace
players in their secondary. It's just not I don't think
that's high. I already list because they have so many
other needs in Atlanta. But sure, if you told me
they decided to take cornerbacks early, I couldn't. I couldn't
really argue with that. I just think I would go elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the NFC West, where the Cardinals probably
need another perimeter guy. Denzel Burke played pretty bad last
year eighty two one twelve. Punebaker had a miserable year,
graded to eighty of ninety one safeties. I think they
just need to trade him. I think maybe his fire
has gone out playing for Arizona and then don't know
who's gonna start at free safety between Taylor Demerson and
Wingered but both were pretty bad last year, so Arizona
needs some help in the secondary. The Niners need everything,
literally every single player great below average. Malik Mustafa and
Jerry Brown at safety now they're both just slightly below
average but you know, pretty bad, and then Ronardo Green
they need a perimeter guy. But they have a lot
of needs to me. I think improving the pass rush
helps this whole secondary, So do that first, then come
back here and get a couple of these late guys.
And then for Seattle, they're still pretty good. They you know,
Witherspoon is still there. Josh Joe played below average last season,
but it's probably because he is targeted a crazy amount
because Witherspoon and m and Worry were so good. And
then uh Okata and Julian Love on the back end
are pretty solid, so just one spot for them. But
Niners with big needs here. Cardinals with some decent needs
on the back end as well.
Speaker 2: The Niners have a secondary of multiple slot players. That's
the problem. Actually think up to South pretty well at
times when he's been out there, and Ronaldo Green is
miscast because he would be better in the slot, and
they just don't they need you said they need a
boundary cornerback, someone long who can do that. But again
it starts with the fact that they have very little
pass rush and they can't stop the run. And so
while secondary is a big need and you to have
a good successful team, I mean Seattle. You look at
Seattle line here, right, and there's a reason they're winning
a Super Bowl or being in the Super Bowl, right,
winning the Super Bowl because of how good their secondary is.
But there's just bigger needs out there right now for
a team like the Niners. It's with Seattle, even losing
the players that they lost, it for agency still to
see him have that much depth that the position is
big time, Like, that's that's why you win a two
Super Bowl, right, Tyle Katta stepping in this is a
safety here. And of course nick em and Warry looked
every bit like one of the best players in the
league back there. Denzel Burke with Arizona, Yeah, I'm ready
to move on from him. I agree with you on
Buddha Baker. That's the big one. I think, Yes, grading
eighty of ninety one isn't good. I don't think Buddha
Baker is one of the ten worst safeties in the NFL. No,
there's too much talent there. It's just playing an air
At least you said it right playing in Arizona after
a while with this completely uncompetitive team. That I don't
believe is you know, Johnathgan's the defensive corner of the Packers,
but I do not think he was a particularly good
head coach. I think he's probably pretty good defensive coordinator,
but I don't think he's a good head coach.
Speaker 1: So did not to use Buddha obviously.
Speaker 2: Whether that's a change of scenery or a change of
scheme with a new coach coming in. I think BUDDA.
Baker is one of the better thirty to forty players
at safety in the league for sure.
Speaker 1: Going to the AFC, Buffalo has a need at slot.
D Alford ninety three one twelve perimeter. I think they're good.
They drop some hairs last year. Benford is pretty good. CJ.
Gardner Johnson they signed, but he was below average last year.
Cole Bishop pushing out the free safety. If you think
Miami's wide receivers are bad, ck this secondary. Let me
just list off the names here for you. Darryl Baker,
Junior sounds like a NASCAR driver Storm Duck, Jason Marshall junior,
Dante Trader junior the only player that had a grade
in their secondary from last year and he was sixty
seven to ninety one, and Lonnie Johnson junior at free safety.
It is ugly here. So and on the other end
you have the the Patriots, all good at every position.
The only team that didn't have a need at starter
in the secondary, Gonzalez, Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones, byered. They
signed in Craig Woodson was great. And then the Jets
Nayshaun Wright I told you about Brandon Stevens had a
good grade last year, but Brownlee was one of the
worst corners in the league at slot one on one
out of one twelve. Malachai Moore was one of the
worst safeties sixty seven to ninety one. Mika is back there.
He's pretty good. But yeah, I mean big, big needs
from some of these teams, the Jets specifically, and Miami
just needs we we know Miami needs everything, but they
really cannot afford to do anything but BPA with every
single pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that is that room there is somehow worse
than the receivers, which were just saying something because that
I thought that was one of the worst position groups
in the league. And to see Storm Duck is currently
listed as a starting level cornerback for the NFL team
that is going to have to go up against, you know,
a New England team now with Romeo Dubs and Buffalo
with all their new acquisitions like that would be just miserable.
Could be great for fantasy for Malik because man, is
he gonna have to score to keep up in some
of these games the way that's looking right now. And
run around back there.
Speaker 1: But I just went to look, they do play Cincinnati
at some point this year, so.
Speaker 2: Nice you're with that luck with that Buffalo secondary is
of need, it's not the biggest need again, and just
to see Seattle one here with one need and that's
because they lost so much and New England on here
with no needs and those two teams in the Super
Bowl just goes to show how important secondary play is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, safeties can last for a long time,
but corners not only don't last, but they also lose
a lot of steam really fast. So you know that
I didn't even bother putting depth on any of these
teams because every team needs depth. Just assume you need depth.
You need to burn and churn these corners. You need
you need young players, fast legs, all that stuff going
to the AFC North For the Ravens slot, I mean,
Marlon Humphreys just dust at this point one O three,
one twelve. It's about time to hang them up. Everything
else is good there, Malachi Starks, Kyle Hamilton, they went
and got Cheetah Bay, Woozier and they Wiggins was great.
Cincinnati actually okay at perimeter. DJ Turner played well, Dax
Hill played well. Jalen Davis is their slot, so they
just need somebody better there. Jordan Battle was a little
rough as strong safety, say could use an upgrade there
as well. For Cleveland, Denzel Ward was slightly below average.
Miles Harden was really bad in the slot one two,
one twelve. But they're good at safety with del Pitt
and Harrison and the Steelers. It's just slot, you know.
Joey Porter Jr. Was great, Jamel Dean was pretty good,
Brandon Eckles just below average at slot, and they also
have a Sante Samuel, but then Brisker and Ramsey at
free safety. They could draft the safety and move Ramsey
back to the corner. A Sante Samuel also plays corner,
so he might just start over Eckles. But I think
the Steelers are doing okay in the secondary. But Cleveland
has a couple of corners here and since he still
needs that safety spot.
Speaker 2: It's been a while that we talked about that safety
spot here Baltimore. It's still boggling, like mind boggling to
me that Malachi Starks fell to twenty seven or twenty
eight and just they just took advantage of that. Yet
again with these really good players fall into them and.
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton felt like sa Hamilton or something.
Speaker 2: I went to the Malachi Starks as your secondary, you know,
your safety group. There is just a special combination Cleveland
or Cincinnati. Getting some production out of dex Hill helps,
but like you said, it's still the really the back
end there. Denzel ward I don't know if you I
mean you have to replace him. I think he's okay.
I think you could go in with nzel Warden feel
fine about that.
Speaker 1: I think so too.
Speaker 2: And your your group is you know, like you said,
you have Brandon echols On here as replaceable, but you
can just manipulate and move players around with the Sante
Samuel some of that stuff. So I would say Pittsburgh
gets another spot. I don't see why Pittsburgh would take
a secondary player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bigger needs on the O line linebacker. So going
to the South here, the Texans only really need a
free safety and they did sign Red Blankenship, but he
was eighty nine and ninety one last year. Now he
did play through a couple injuries if I'm remembering correctly,
So just a really bad grade for him, but also
being surrounded by all that talent should be pretty good. Indy,
they did trade for Sauce. They have a Shavarius Ward
Kenny Moore and can't bind him. It's just that strong
safety spot of Hunter Wollerd. They might give him a chance,
but I could easily see them replacing him for the Jaguars.
Monteric Brown actually graded really well last year. Travis Hunter
is going full time cornerback. It looks like Jordan Lewis
in the slot. Antonio Johnson was your number one GRADEDT
safety from last season. But Eric Murray is, you know,
a little old and a below average. Tennessee really needs help.
They did go out and they got Taylor and flot
so okay, you know we got the perimeter guys, but
slot is slated to be Marcus Harris and then safeties.
I mean Amani Hooker. The dude has made a lot
of money in the NFL. He's been around for a while,
but it's about time. You could say the same thing
for Tony Adams and Hooker was worse than Adams, but
they they could use an upgrade at both safety spots.
So what do you think about the South here in
the AFC?
Speaker 2: The Houston defense man top to bottom. When you go
through these names and you just look at how deep
they are, and you mentioned read blank and ship there,
I don't think we're taking a safety to place red Blankenship.
I think they like read blank and ship. You can
kind of shift the way they use him and Jalen
Petrie around and take advantage of this overhanging the defenders
that they.
Speaker 1: Have Jalen Reid in that that's true.
Speaker 2: So I think I think Houston's just fine. Indianapolis, it's
certainly in need. I was trying to figure out what
you were talking if we got an update on Sauce
Gardener's knee. I think Sauce Gardner should be good to
go for the start of the season, but I couldn't
find anything that officially confirmed that. As long as Sauce
Gardner's there, that's that helps. Definitely, the cornerbacks you can
help and you can get more help at safety there
to replace Hunter Boler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean behind him, just real quick, it is
Cam Taylor Brett. So you want him to be healthy, Yes,
you want.
Speaker 2: Him to be healthiest. Having Travis Hunter focus on cornerback,
I think will make him one of the best ten
to fifteen cornerbacks in the league. I think you'll be
just able to concentrate on doing one instead of the other.
And that was always the thought was he'd be he
could do the two way thing right and be okay
at it, but if he focused on one, I think
he could be special at it. I think he'll be
a very good cornerback as far as just focusing on
corner for Jacksonville and Jacksonville and Antonio Johnson really developed
and that was a I don't say I was surprised
because I like Antonio Johnson, but seeing him be as
as good as he was last year was a bit
of my surprise and Tennessee. It's a lot of Tennessee
could go really really hard after the defense, get a
couple of skill position players, and then really hit hammered
the defense. I think is the way that Tennessee should
go about this draft approach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sitting at four like the art. That
could be Sunday Styles. I could be killed down, it
could be Jeremi Love. There's a lot of different ways
they could go, and I wouldn't be shocked by any
of them going over to the AFC West surrounded out
Denver is Riley Moss, Pat Sertain, Jawa McMillan, who Fonga
all good. Brandon Jones is like a little below average
last year, so that's probably the one spot. Who Fang
has had some injury stuff as well, So maybe you
just want to get a safety for depth. Kansas City
Christoph Fulton and Noel Williams. They could use a perimeter guy,
but they traded McDuffie and they let Watson walk, so
Cater Kohu is supposed to be in the slot, so
definitely could use the slot. Shamarie Connor, they should put
him in the slot and draft the safety is probably
what they should do, and then Lloyd Gilman was really
good in Vegas. Darian Porter was eighty eight of one
to twelve, but again, like we mentioned before, don't think
they're replacing him because he's a rookie. Last year, Eric
Stokes was great and they resigned him. They traded for
Terren Johnson, but he was below average last year, so
they're gonna go with him, but they could use an
upgrade there. Jeremy Chin was great, but poulam Mau was
ninety of ninety one graded free safety, so they definitely
need a free safety the Chargers. Tarry still was great,
cam Hart was below average. Then you have Derwin, you know,
Old Mantoni. Jefferson there pretty good, but Elijah Molden was
pretty well down the line on the free safety list
here seventy eight of ninety one one. So your thoughts
on the AFC West here.
Speaker 2: Glad to see that for the fourth year that we've
done the show together, the Vegas second Safety Room still sucks.
Still complaining about the Vegas Safety Room and it's still
slightly better. Jeremy Chin has helped out a little bit,
actually getting production out of Eric Stokes. For a guy
who saw a lot of Eric Stokes over the years,
not play well was good for them and so still
struggling in the safety room. Kansas City just seems Kansas
City's development of cornerback players that are long like, they
have this real good feel for it, so I trust
them to get the most out of their secondary. Riley
Moss has gotten a lot better over the years. Early on,
it was you know, Patrick's or Tan was on one side,
so we were just throwing everything at Riley Moss and
it was not pretty at all. I watched games last year.
I thought Riley Moss actually played pretty well, and to
see him in green is a good sign. That's good
for them. The Chargers. I don't think we're a placing
cam Hart. I think we're gonna go with cam Hert
Turbin James. They can take more, you said any of
these teams. I can talk about the depth of their secondary.
Speaker 1: But bigger not in the line for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: A lot of these AFC West teams have some pretty
good secondaries right now, to tell you the truth. So
depth for sure, but I don't know if we need
to replace a lot of starters in the AFC West.
Speaker 1: All right, we got through it. Let's get to the
prospects now and starting with cornerbacks. In the first round,
at number ten, we have Mancer Delane from LSU nineteen
hundred and seventy seven snaps at perimeter one hundred and
sixteen in the slot. I got him a smart, hard working,
really in the wrong spot, willing tackler, a little light,
short arms, fast, but maybe not explosive enough, very very
good corner going to be a lockdown for a while.
It looks like, what are your thoughts on Delane?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's let's say, at six foot he wasn't not
that big, which is fine. He plays bigger than his
size right, incredibly physical. They actually don't. I mean, he
doesn't get a lot of tackling opportunities to prove that
he can tackle because they just don't throw the ball
ball by him very often because he's just swiveling his
hips so quick to lock into a defenders hip pocket
or a receiver hip hop. I think you could you
could basically say, play man, play zone. He's asked to
do both, but you don't see a ton of in college.
A lot of them are just played one or the other.
His footwork is just clinical in space. The way that
he can rote day his hips to run with a
receiver downfield, like you watch him against deanp Boks against
at Oklahoma and he's just in his hip pocket the
whole time. But I was surprised he actually random quick
as he did. I thought he would test a little
slower that. But he is also my top cornerback and
I have him overall at number twelve, so early first
round pick, I would expect the floor for him is
probably I mean it should be Miami honestly, but yeah,
well they have a lot of other needs, so I
would not be surprised if he's gone in the top
ten even before Miami picks.
Speaker 1: To tell you the truth, maybe that second Giants pick,
depending on what they go right first pick, because they
definitely need a corner at number fourteen. Jamal McCoy from
Tennessee Guy didn't have nearly as much. It's laying nine
hundred and ninety seven spots. It's to snaps Jesus Christ
at corner thirty four in the slot. Awesome athlete that
is very fluid playmaker that goes after the ball. Six interceptions,
twelve pass breakups in two CFP seasons. William Tackler and
he's got some return chops. He did tear his ACL
in January twenty twenty five, kept him out the whole season,
and he wasn't available for testing. He did have eight
penalties in twenty twenty four as well, So I think
that most a lot of analysts considered McCoy to have
the most upside in this class. But we don't know
what we lost with this ACL injury because we haven't
seen him come back from it yet and lots of
penalties that last year. So what are your thoughts on McCoy.
Speaker 2: It's the injury is the bigger concern for me. And
now we got a report it yesterday or two days ago,
that he might need another surgery on his knee to
replace some cartilage that's defective in his knee. And this
is not the same the same thing as the ACL,
but there's reports that it's not good. Right for a
guy that you said. It wasn't like he tore his
ACL early in this process or there later in this
early in the season. It was he tore his ACL
in January and to not see him play at all.
There was some at least rumors that he was ready
to go, and the agent pretty much told him to
not play, and maybe that's.
Speaker 1: How it was true. He should have worked out, then.
Speaker 2: He should have I completely agree he should have worked out.
Speaker 1: Just all feels like late in the process nonsense to me,
and it.
Speaker 2: Could be right. We just don't know that. But on
the field, the twenty twenty four stuff is good. Yes,
he's a little grabby when he gets to it, but
he's just really really aggressive in man coverage, he's he
can be incredibly sticky because he hates He's like the
type of guy that seems like he hates that when
receivers get their hands on him. So he is fighting
through the route stem, which is why he gets called
for penalties, but innate feel for when to pass off
his man jump the next route in zone coverage with
reaction speed. I just wish we got to see him play.
I still think you should go in the top half
of the first round. It's just and that's it's hard
for me to say that for a player that didn't
play a single snap this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh. He's gonna go high, I think, but
we'll see. Maybe maybe this late medical stuff, maybe teams
are worried and you know, if you don't have a
first round pick. Maybe you you know, uh say that?
Did you hear somebody told Fernando MENDOZI you should get
arrested before the draft so we can drop. I like
that Ayvianterrell from Clemson. Aggressive but undersized, corner awareness, physicality, standout.
He's got the peanut punch, eight force fumbles, strong, blitzer,
durable for his size. He's undersized at five ten five,
boxed out by big wide receivers and tight ends that
can get a bit handsy, and sometimes he misses his
tackles due to his size, like all undersized guys. So
what are your thoughts on Terrell?
Speaker 2: So? Aman A Trell is AJ Trell's brother. We talked
about him a little bit here. He I have those
first two guys in a tier, and I have a
Van Trell in a bigger tier. But he is still
my number three cornerback with someone who could go that
next year is Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if he
went in the back of the first round, but I
also think that you could fall to early day two.
When he breaks on the ball, he gets to his
spot so fast. I love how competitive he is. He's
a little small, but they will play him in press
and he is good at it. They will play him
in off and he can do it. But like you said,
he gets a little bit grabby. I love him going
for the ball. He attacks the ball hard, he bats
down balls, he turns his head, he gets his round
on the ball. He is not just you know, tackling.
It's not his strongest suit being tackler because he's not
particularly big. I think if he was fifteen pounds heavier,
he's a no doubt top twenty pick. But he's not right.
He's just not that big. And you saw the one
that shows out to me was Chris Bell. They played
Chris Bell, Chris Bell. We talked about if there is
a big player in this class. It was Chris Bell,
who's thickly built, wide receiver. And you would see how
Chris Bell would just gain separation by body him a
few times. He would run to him in the routes
them and then just kind of crut across his face
in Avyntrell while he's there. He just can't get through
a player like that. So to me, he's Greg Newsome.
That's kind of what I think you're hoping for for
Avantrell and Greg news is a pretty good cornerback, and
I'd be happy to take him in the top forty selections.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too. Going over to safety here three,
Like we said in the first round, Caleb Downs, and
I mean the guy played everywhere. Eight hundred and sixty
five snaps in the box, nine to twenty at free safety,
five hundred and seventy four in the slot. He has
almost everything. Smart, great communicating, it is the best asset.
He's a great tackler, special teams coverage, great reaction time.
The guy really has everything. He might be a little undersized,
and he was a little bit more aggressiveness just to
go after the ball because he's always around it, so
that those are the only hang ups that I see
with Caleb Downs. But he is pretty much a unanimous
top ten pick right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So while you're talking, I went back to draft
history dock on the last time we saw a top
ten safety was twenty seventeen with Jamal Adams. We had
some top five safeties with you know you're gonna go
back to like Eric Barry, Sean Taylor, that it's been
that long, I expect he goes in the top ten.
I don't think we goes in the top five. He could,
like Tennessee could really take him at pick for it
really wouldn't be surprising. A lot of what he does.
He just doesn't get credit for how much he impacts
the game because he is just like you said, he's
playing everywhere. He's doing it well. He is a dynamic returner.
If you want to put him at punt return, kick return,
he can do that. He can play slot cornerback, he
can play linebacker, he can play strong safety. He's not
a huge player, but he's got this massive, racked, like
rocked up frame that's got athletic abilities that are just
rare at safety. In twenty twenty four, I watched him
man cover Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren couldn't shake free from him,
right every he bait roast. Everybody else could not shake
free from him. But he's just really solid, directly forced
his passes into the air. He will hit like a linebacker.
They play him. He's everywhere's within ten yards of line
of scrimmage. But he can also play a traditional single high.
So the best thing you can say about Caleb Downs
is the second he's picked, whatever team it is, I
don't care if it's one through twelve, their defense will
be better. Yes, Caleb Downs is on the field, and
safety is a hard position to project out where they're
gonna go because it's positional value. It's probably the lowest
one of any of the positions. But Caleb Downs will
make your defense better and because of that, I expect
he goes quite early.
Speaker 1: I still feel like running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true too. That one's tough because that
was just such a short shelf life. Right.
Speaker 1: If yes, gets safety's a last, corners won't. But safety
is a last. Yeah, so uh yeah, there's It doesn't
matter like you put him wherever you want. He's one
of the best football players in this class. I don't
really care what his position is. Dylan thinum In from
Oregon another dude. Mainly played free safety, but seven hundred
and thirty two STAPs in the box as well. Two
thirty six slot. Crazy athlete had a killer combine, closes fast,
got better at tackling every year, works through traffic at
a pro level, any has special teams coverage. His tackling
is improving, but inconsistent. He might've peaked physically, and he's
still like a little bit light, So What are your
thoughts on Dylan Theeneman from Oregon.
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Caleb Downs, I think we hear
a lot more about how good Dylan thinam In really is.
Like he would be my top safety from the last
three years if you take away Caleb Downs, because I
think he's really that good. Last year it was Tyler
Nuban was the top safety. He's better than Tyler Nuban.
The year before that, my top safety was Brian Branch,
and I loved Brian Branch, but I still have Dylan
tenam In right above him. That's how good I think
theenemon is. You mentioned the athleticism. It's it's crazy some
of the stuff this guy can do. He just looks
like he's chiseled out of stone with his physique. At
Purdue they asked him play cover one at or again.
They said, Okay, we're gonna ask you to do everything.
And the thing is he can do both. Like at
Purdue he's flying downhill like a missile to make tackles.
At Oregon he's just you'll see him spy, you'll see
him drop, You'll see him disengage blocks as a run defender.
I have some questions. I thought, well, maybe he's not
actually this fast. No, he's really fast too. I do
think he gets a bit turned around if you ask
him just to play like straight man coverage. I think
he gets a little turned around like that, but unique
field vision to diagnose plays. His tackling is solid. I
would not say he's great at it. I think he's
solid at it. Comparison I have for him is just
a faster version of what Grant Delpit does for Cleveland,
who Grant Delpitt Hanks kind of in this overhang defender
area and it is a pretty good tackler, and he
can do a little bit of safety. I think that's
what Dinaman can do. And I expect from day one
that he's actually going to be a really strong safety
as far as like a really good safety as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think though too, And I think you're right.
If there was no Caleb Downs, we would tell talking
way more about penem In as you know. And I
think a lot of those safety first round bets all
that stuff. Emanuel McNeil Warren from Toledo, small school guy
played all over the place again mainly a box safety, big,
hard hitting, strong at punching the ball out nine force
fumbles in his career, only one penalty. Strong instincts allow
him to move through traffic to the ball carrier as
well in the run game. Still a little narrow at
his size can be caught out of position a little bit.
Still needs work on recognition. Said to be a quiet
personality and not much of a communicator, so just a
kind of a quiet. This seems like a serial killer,
you know, just a quiet let me go out and
wreck your stuff. So he was a lot of fun
to watch. He does hit hard.
Speaker 2: He just lives around the football, right. It's the fumbles,
it's the interceptions. He has a pick sixes in there.
The size is there to match up Biggins tight ends.
You don't want him to play. Whereas if you told
me that you have to play Dylan Thinamon or Caleb
Downs in a slot cornerback Rod, I think they can
do that. I don't want to mean Emmanuel McNeil Warren
doing that right now. I don't think he moves quite
as well as those two do. But the range is nuts.
When he plays free safety, he's playing closer to line
of scrimmage a lot more this year. Eliminate can just
eliminate the tight end from the opposing playbook. Great hands
for a safety. There are times where he is just
completely looking like legally to separate the man from the ball.
He's not going to you mentioned the one penalty. He
is not going to go out there and as he's
all shy, your head hunt and get called for a
bunch of penalties. But he's you will know that he's
there if you're playing wide receiver going across the middle
of the field on the way he plays and doesn't
quit on any of them. I actually have all these
guys in their own individual tiers, so Caleb Downs is
like a top ten tier. Dylan Thieneman is a locked
in first round player to me, Emmanuel McNeil. Warren could
go at the back of the first round. I also
think he could fall to early day two.
Speaker 1: I really hope he goes somewhere and starts immediately. I
would love to see him on the field from week one.
Let's go to the second round. Lots of corners in
the second round. We've got five here. Colton Hood from
Tennessee above average at almost everything, good speed, fluid mover,
physical and man pushing targets off their routes and a
strong tackler. Penalties got worse the more snaps he got
four in twenty twenty five, only one season as a
full time starter. Outliers in size and speed can get him,
so like really fast guys are really big guys, we'll
get him as well. Thirty nine we have Chris Johnson
for San Diego state. Size, speed, aggressiveness to the ball,
big hitter for a corner, a strong special teamer, good
character cited by teams that interviewed him. The weakness is
better in area quickness than long speed. A bit narrow
for his height, virtually no slot experience. Fifty one slot
snaps only for him. Brandon Sisay the opposite lots of
two hundred fourteen slot snaps for him. One of the
better man cbs in this class. Fast and has great burst,
fluid hit movement when backpedaling, bursts to go up and
knock the ball away or come down with it. Limited
experience makes him a bit of a project willing tackler,
but needs her and he can get a little bit grabby.
But D'Angel ponds at Indiana best instincts of any CB
in this class. He's as signline well and plays physical
always in the right spot, knows how to baited quarterback,
can go after the ball. Willing and strong, fundamental tackler,
incredible production weakness it's the size, you know, might make
him move the slot where he doesn't have experience. Only
twenty eight slot snaps in his career is insane. He
can't get boxed out due to his size. Tackling will
be harder in the NFL at his size as well,
and career length might be impacted because of his small stature.
And then trade an stukes as you mentioned before, lots
of slot eleven hundred and seventy four snaps in the
slot nine hundred and forty three in the perimeter, so
much ball production, seven picks, twenty one pass breakups, great
fluid mover with a recovery speed, can play any spot
in the secondary. Praise for work work ethic by coaches downside.
Might be maxed out at his current size and wait
acl tear in twenty twenty four twenty five year old
rookie willing tackler, but needs work on fundamentals, So stukes
pawn se say Johnson and Hood, what is your order
here for?
Speaker 2: Once those are the same exact players that I have
in this tier, which is interesting. I also have Aviantrell
at the start of this tier. I have Colton Hood
first among that group, so it goes Mansword, Delane, Ermont McCoy,
Avian Trrell, and Colton Hood, so that order stays the same.
It's as Tremont McCoy didn't show up and Colton Hood
was at Tennessee and playing every day and looking a
lot like what Tremont McCoy did the year before as
far as just taking the best receiver and mirroring, mirroring
the entire game. Plenty of speed. He can run with
the fastest NFL wide receivers, maybe not named Prime Tyreek
or Xavier Worthy. Beyond that, he is going to run
with anybody. The ball skills are apparent. I think he
does a really good job getting his head around. The
willingness to tackle is there. His form is really erratic
because he loves to duck his head and because of
that he will miss. But he is someone like. The
longer that the game goes on, I think he gets better,
and that's because he's just consistently smothering receivers at the
line of scrimmage. He can recover with his straight line speed.
He's really good. Little tentative maybe and run support, but
Colton Hood should be gone in the second round. After
Colton the Hood, I actually have Trade on Stukes, Trey
on Stukes, and it's I don't know whether to call
him a safety to call him a cornerback. I have
him with the cornerbacks like you haven't listened here at
the cornerbacks. I when he is at his best, it
is just a highlight reel of being everywhere, all over
the field at all times because he is kind of
doing a little bit of everything. He'll play man, he'll
play zone, he can play inside, he can play outside.
He's gonna be the coach's dream, the story of a
walk on who is a team captain, who's always in
the right spot. But typically when you see a walk on,
it's because they're athletically limited. No, not at all. He
has elite speed to run with receivers. His just an
extremely versatile cornerback. I don't want to throw at this
comparison on anybody, but it's a little bit of what
Cooper Degen does. Light like that's in there where somebody
who can play inside, can play outside, can tackle. Gonna
be a little older as a rookie, but I really
like what Tradon Stukes offers as far as just a
versatile chess piece for an NFL defense. Behind him, I
have Chris Johnson after that you mentioned it. It's he's
got the length. They just didn't want to take any
chances at putting him in the slot because he's so
good outside for San Diego State, really good, like he
had multiple pick sixes this season. Not the strength play
profile to play regular press, but he because he just
kind of looks thin, but great ball skills. He is
looking to attack the ball. Teams don't really beat him
deep because he starts in off coverage lot. I'm not
sure that he has the speed profiles some of these
other cornerbacks in this room, but he can just dominate
in man coverage all game, like he gets the arms
on you good luck trying to get by him him.
Really impressed with what Chris Johnson can do. I would
very much like the Green Bait Packers to consider Chris Johnson.
Brandon Sees you mentioned the athlete cise is an amazing
athlete who can he can get better at playing cornerback.
That's what it really is. He's He's a really good
run defender. He can play a zone, but I think
he's better in man coverage. Like you said here, he's
much better in man coverage right now. He just takes
a while though. At this point it feels like some
of the things he's thinking more than playing. It feels
like when you watch him sometimes he's kind of a
little bit slow. I feel like to react some of
the players are happening in front of him, and if
he just plays a little looser, I think that could
be improved. The effort in tackling is pretty good, but
he does miss a few tackles at this point. I
like Brandon sis. It's just a natural man cover cornerback
if you want to go a little bit and play
a lot more man than zone at this point, and
D'Angelo pons he would be, if not the top cornerback
in this class. He's certainly in the mansword de lane.
Speaker 1: Jermond mccache sticks one and he would go he'd be
like the number two overall. Pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be like right up there with Derek Stingley.
He's basically Derek Stingley, except when you look at his
and he's got one of the funny what do they
call him spider charts on his mock draftable dot com.
It's like this big triangle because the jumps out of
the gym. His hands are actually pretty big, but everything
else is just non existent on that because officially five
eight and five eights that is second percentile. There's almost
no one who has success at tet size in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm looking eye to eye to ponds.
Speaker 2: So you're looking there, you go. What you're hoping for
is that he's Tyron Matthew. Right, That's what you're hoping for,
is he's Tyron Matthew, who you just say, You're doing
everything on the field. You can play outside, you can
play inside, go out, get the ball. You're a great
cover corner. I mean he is hanged. You see it.
Like against Ohio State, he is in the hip hocket
on Jeremiah smith Man, who will talk about very early
next year. He is probably the best that I saw
anyone do against him all year. But yeah, he's there,
but he's given up six inches too, and so they
just throw it high over him. He's giving up eight
inches and some of these cases you just see him
sometimes get He's a stud who just gets physically dominated.
There's things he can't do where they'll say against Oregon,
you're hanging in there with Jamari Johnson, but he cannot
get He can't do it because of his size, and
it's not a lack of effort. There's nothing he can
do about that. I feel bad to say that. I
think he should absolutely go day two. And if he
was on your team, I think he'll be good for
what he is, but there are just things that his
size limits him from what he would be able to
do otherwise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny Emory Hunt put him in the
first round. Yeah, I think so too. That would be awesome.
I just don't think a five eight corner.
Speaker 2: Can go on the first I bet there will be
teams that don't even consider him honestly, I mean which
they would consider him, but they will not consider him
in the second round or right A two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's going day two. Someone is gonna take
him because you can see all the production. Someone is
taking him for sure. Only two safeties in the second round.
Officially on mock trat database. AJ Halsey from LSU number
fifty six, I got him as downhill hitter works through
traffic to limit the ball carrying and sticks the pass
catcher violently. Ten career interceptions, shows his nose to get
the ball and the special team's ace type as well. Downside,
big hitter that doesn't rap well. Closing speed isn't there
when he's a step behind, smaller frame, not great in
contested situations. Then Kyante Scott at number sixty one, crazy
fast gambler, goes for the quarterback and the ball all
the time to disrupt the play. Incredible working through traffic
for his size. Special teams, coverage and coaches love his
relentless energy. Of the positives negatives, he loses those gambles.
Sometimes small frame can get washed away and runs import
and box out by big targets. Twenty five year old
rookie and a little position list. I think he's a
slot corner, but he's listed his safety here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an interesting one. I'll start with I'll start
with Kiante Scott. So both of these players are in
my I said the first three, the Caleb Downs, Villetinum
and emmanuelt Nea Warren are all in the tiers of
their own. And then I have this tier of four
Kiante Scott and A. J. HIL's here actually at the
bottom of this fourth tier for me, which is firmly
Day two picks. Kiante Scott is a little higher. My
first line is I'm not really sure whether to call
him a safety or cornerback because he's he's good at
the run. He is one of the best run defenders
in this class. Honestly, for any secondary player. He is
just an awesome tackler. They ask him to do so
many things, phenomenal breaks on the ball. Sometimes it really instinctual.
Some guys are just a naturally good blitzer. But you
said it right, twenty five years old, it's hard to
know what you're really drafting. He's been around for years
and this was only a year that you ever see
him really have a lot any production like this, But
love the tackling as long as you know what you're getting.
Sometimes man coverage is tough on him, right you watch
the National title game. He just can't stay with Omar Cooper.
He's physically not talented or not athletically gifted enough to
be able to run with someone who can just open
up and go down the field for a slot corner,
and so as the league gets to more big slot
players as opposed to it was just always little, small,
shifty guys. The league goes to more big slot players
and players that are transitioning, you know, we move Devon
Dadams into the slot. I don't know if Keyante Scott
can hang with players like that. So he is a
good player who has a very unique skill set. I
think he'll be awesome on special teams. I think he
will be just fine as someone you can bring in
on first and second down to make differences in the game.
But there are definitely limitations to me for what Kante
Scott offers, and there's limitations for j Halsey too. The
limitation for j Halsey is he just doesn't move as
well as a lot of the safety like the secondary
players that we've talked about right now, He's going to
be a bit of a weaker athlete than those guys.
The timing is awesome. He attacks the ball, he looks.
He looks to make big hits at the expense of
breaking down and tackling. He misses some tackles I think
he should get to but really instinctive cover player who
understands that he will bait players or bait quarterbacks and
the bad throws, especially over the middle of the field.
He will also try to punch the ball as far
as getting outside. But he's someone yet he is a
traditional safety that you want in a too high set,
Like you don't want to say, aj Halsey, you're our
single high safety cover the entire field back there, because
he just doesn't have that. I don't think the range
to do that. So it's hon as you know what
you're getting with aj Halsey. I would be happy to
take him day two. But he is also the seventh
graded safety I have on my board, and that's the
final the bottom of tier four there, which is the
Day two players for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean let go, let's go to the third round.
There's a lot and this is where it balloons right
the third round, and I think most of these guys
are still gonna go Day two in my opinion. So
there's five corners, there's five safeties as well, and there's
way more corners after this round. But safety is kind
of dry up in this round, So starting with the corners.
Keith Abney from Arizona State. Dillingham said Abney was part
of the ASU culture change, a willing tack goaler. A
tackler pushes wide receivers to the sideline, really sticks in
man as well. I can get out of phase and
it seems like he falls behind. When he falls behind,
he misses big. Thirteen penalties in two seasons for Abney
at Arizona State. Davison ag Benison from Ohio State. Perimeter guy,
only tall and along, really good at pressing with his size,
willing tackler, and Rundy has the speed to stick with
wide receivers. Stayed healthy thirty penalties, though sixteen in twenty
twenty four. He did cut that to five last year
for the Good Lord. Lapses in route recognition sometimes. Willing tackler,
but needs to refine his tackling. Julian Neil from Arkansas
a great athlete with the size and speed. Great change
the direction, recovery speed, physical and willing tackler. He goes
for that blow up hit a little bit too much
instead of wrapping. Only sixteen starts in college football. Tracking
the ball works sometimes and disappears at other times as well.
Milik Muhammad my boy from Texas. Very good instincts, greate
with his hands and pressed strong combine speed and vert
doesn't get routed by many wide receivers. He can't get
pushed off his spot with his narrow frame, and the
testing speed might be a little bit better than what
we see in the on field speed. And then Devin
Moore from Florida number ninety nine long fast, you can
really clamp down and stop a wide receiver at the line.
Another quarterback that uses the sideline well and pushes those guys.
Only two penalties in twenty twenty three in his collegiate career,
so no other penalties and a special team's ace for
Devin Moore. Lots of injuries so growin a seed back concussion,
but the shoulders bothered him since high school and he
needs to be a little bit of a better tackler
skinny and needs to add bulk as well. So more
Malik Muhammad, Julian Neil, Ig Bennison, and Keith Abney. What's
your order here?
Speaker 2: So I have Julian Neil. He is the next one
night after Dangel Pines. He starts a new tier for me.
Julian Neil is the top of that tier. It's an
ideal NFL frame to be a boundary cornerback.
Speaker 1: He's long.
Speaker 2: He has good technique mixed with lanth a really strong
tackler who is willing to get off of blocks like
you'll see him actively attack in the run game. He's
not just hanging out out on the sideline saying, if
the ball comes my way, I'm gonna make a play.
He is really trying to make a play in the secondary.
Moves really well for a player of his size. But
the concern here is the deep speed. I don't again,
if it's a cornerback, if he's not starting from a
slightly off position. NFL wide receivers I think would just
turn could just run right by him at this point.
But someone who I would feel very comfortable taking day
two with his ability to lock down man coverage with length.
The next one of the guys you've already talked about.
I have someone in between Julian Neil, but I have
Keith Abney at eleven. So there's a player we haven't
talked about yet who's in between Julian Neil and Keith Abney.
But Keith Abney is eleven for me. I love the
way Keith Abney plays man like. It's so fun to
watch Keith Abney play. He is doing everything out there zone.
His zone IQ is off the charts. His ability to
just move from one receiver to another receiver, ball skills
there to make the plays. Again, He's a combination of
a sticky coverage and an impactful player. He will get
called for a few defensive passinger fearance calls, but really
really solid splash plays are there. He makes plays on
the ball, great catches. The tackling effort isn't a question,
but the length limitations show up at times and he
just can't quite make all the tackles that he wants to,
and so he just because he also sometimes he'll do
a little more face guarding than I like as far
as rather than playing the ball. But to me, Keith
Abney's all the best parts of what Jiar Alexander can do,
as far as before all the knee injuries set in
there before that, a lot of what Ji Alexander did
as far as being a smaller guy who can play outside,
I Thinkkeith Abney's got that in there. The other player
that's in that same tier that I have is Malik
Muhammad's the bottom of that tier. I mean, this is
your dude, So another Texas guy not quite the Jedai
Baron level players. But I believe that he is AJ
Green's cousin, so shout out to that. I haven't had
mine notes he is AJ Green's cousin. It part of
the reason that he's so good is that he uses
hands well to punch the ball away. You think he'd
be too small to be a good tackler, but that's
actually not true. He's a really aggressive tackler, traditional man cornerback,
more than someone I would want to cover in a zone.
He has some weird stance. I don't know if I'm
the only one that notices that. I think he stands
awkwardly before the play wide right, yes, and because of that,
he doesn't swivel his hips as well as you'd like.
I feel like there are times where you just want
to like just drop down and play a little lower
but good feel for zone coverage measures small as we expected,
but play is really physical. I really like what Malik
Muhammad offers, and he is someone I'd be happy to
take Day three. Now, these next two guys that you
have on here, Davison and Bignosen and Devin Moore, they
actually fall into a different tier for me. Devin Moore
is the very top of that tier, but a lot
of it's the injuries. Man, When you see him out there,
it's a fluid mover, kind of tall and lean, but
the history of shoulder injuries, he gets a little like
lack sometimes. I feel like in his zone run I
talk about how Keith Abny's great at passing off players
in the zone. I saw Devin Moore run right past
his own and just completely leave a player open. And
so while I think he has the acceleration, I think
he gets a bit of flat footed like Devin Moore.
To me, he has dead more of a Day three
player than someone I want to take on Day two.
And I don't get the hype on Davis and Enigmuinosen
at all. I don't get why Davis and Nigunosen is
getting this much hype. What excuse me?
Speaker 1: If you need a penalty, if you need a you
draft him.
Speaker 2: Man, he's awesome. Now you get all the penalties in
the world. The penalties are problem. I'm not sure he
understands that he's in good position. He can just knock
the ball down instead of grabbing the wide receiver. His
grabs are just they're not even attempting to hide it.
He is just really going it. He has now for
a guy who plays cornerback for Ohio State. You can
see the athleticisms there, but it's so it's so handsy,
it's a physical presence that, yes, he should be better
than it is. I think there's a wide range of
all comes here. If you could just say, here, man,
wear these boxing gloves in practice and pretend that your
hands aren't existing there and don't put your hands on
the receiver, I guess he could turn and run with
a lot of players. But it's it's flashes of greatness
out of Davison Abinosa, but there are so much inconsistency
that there's no way I would take him in Day
two of the NFL Draft. I don't think that that's
at all where he deserves to go. I have him,
actually have him at eighteen among cornerbacks. So yeah, that's whatever.
I'll eat that one kind of a hater, I suppose,
but I think he's much, very firmly a Day three
guy to me.
Speaker 1: Just a Wisconsin fan hanging on Ohio State. I don't
mind that at all. I like seeing it, honestly. Yeah,
it's an interesting class here for sure, God God the
diamonbacks keep giving up runs. Five safeties here. Kamaria Ramsey
at number eighty five really covers a lot of ground,
great reaction that drawn out plays crazy, versatile and adjust
to whatever the team needs. Tackling needs work and only
two picks. Bud Clark at TCU great at the Senior
Bowl and turned a lot of heads fifteen interceptions. This
dude knows how to go after the ball. He played
everything most penalties his last season, though that was kind
of concerning me. He's to add muscle and he gambles
and misses on occasion. Zakiwe Lee from Penn State fluid
mover that glides, closes the ball very well. Willing tackler,
zero penalty, six touchdowns in his collegiate career. Not at
not a great blitzer closes well, but a step behind
and coverage sometimes occasionally whiffs and takes bad angles at
the line because he's moving so fast. Genesis Smith one
of my favorites here at number ninety six. Incredible covering
free safety, tracks the ball well, can man up a
wide receiver. Tall and Smith mover loved by coaches his
teammates for his energy, guy can't tackle right. Much better
real player than a fantasy player for sure. Twenty percent
misstackle percentage and that was his best season. Not a
willing tackler. Occasionally bites on fakes as well. And then
Jalen Kilgore from South Carolina, who I think is the
slot CB now. He tacks the ball, eight interceptions, three
fource fumbles, nine touchdowns in his career and nineteen pass breakups.
Got big hitter that wraps up, and he's a punt returner,
he can get routed. He's a gambler everywhere in contact,
going for a blow up tackle and going for the ball.
So he's Kenny Rogers a little bit there. So uh,
you're these safeties? Is what is the order of yours?
And are we missing anybody from this group?
Speaker 2: So I know it's everything you said about genisis Smith
is true. I have him at four, man, I have
him at four going after the ball, Go get me
the ball, like I will live with the bad tackling.
And it's true.
Speaker 1: It is him in Seattle like everybody else has your job.
Have this guy go Rome, you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly he's His range is crazy. The amount of space
this guy can cover is just nuts. If you're playing
like a traditional single high safety and you just say
go get me the ball. Gennesis Smith is the best
news Glass. I think it's better than me and Caleb
Down's is just saying go get me the ball, and
he can do it. You can track the ball, he
will catch it with his hands, can force turnovers, does
take someone necessary risks. But like you said, the tackling,
there's bad tackling, and then there's what Genesis Smith is
putting out there. Man, it is. It's terrible looking right now,
but it's exactly what Kaylen Bullock offered, right That's the
easy one here. It's what kayaln Bullock does for a
tent for Houston, which is one of the best defenses
of the league. Kaylen Bullock, I would still not say
he's a good tackler, but they have Jaylen Petrie there
and they have you know, Kamara Lassiter and all these
great other cornerbacks and secondary players around him. The same
thing with Genesis Smith you mentioned Seattle. Just drop him
into a place like that and I think he is
going to be awesome in the NFL. I have Kamari
Ramsey right behind him. Those are the two guys I
had to have a head of Kiante Scott and aj Halsey.
To me, Kamari Ramsey was just played out of position
all year. I don't know why they did that in
twenty twenty four. The year before, they just said just
play traditional safety, and you could see him raiding eyes
and playing sideline to sideline making plays on the ball.
And then this year they said, Nope, you're just a
nickel cornerback and we're gonna ask you to play a
lot of man coverage. I guess NFL teams might like
the versatility there, but he's clearly better at safety, like
excellent feel for zone coverage, maybe take some poort angles,
can miss some gaps on because of that. I saw
him miss a few tackles on Emma Johnson. But this
is his day two safety, Day two safety prospect, especially
if he goes back to playing more free safety than cornerback.
The next player of the players you talked about here
would be I don't have my list up, Bud Clark, No.
I good talking about Jaalen Kilgore, right, Jalen Kilgore is
my safety right after aj halse which would be number
eight for me. It's a lot of the same stuff
I just said about Kamari Ramsey as far as a
player who kind of played out a position this year.
He can be a part returner, good size safety, I
think he can get even more, but ball hawking safety,
attacks the ball with a purpose. He does get lost
a little bit in zone coverage, especially on underneath players. Again,
maybe a little over aggressive tackler, but it's not to
the same extent as Nick emin War. I wouldn't put
that on anybody, but a lot of things they do
with that they did with em and Warrior at South
Carolina is exactly what they do with Jalen Kilgore. He's
just not the massive size that em and Worry was
who could move like that, and there might be a
long time before we get a player of that caliber.
But really good his thing is, but the way they
were using him on the slot cornerback role, if he
didn't get his hands on you, there's just plays that
he can't hang with the speediness like they played Texas
A and M and he was basically manned up on
Kevin Concepci on Casey conceptsy O. That's just a massive mitchmatch.
That's not what he should do. So again, just play
him more to traditional safety role and I think you'll
get a better player out of him. After him, I
have Bud Clark. Bud Clark is nine for me. I
mean this is a free safety. With the way that
he plays right chose the game, couple interceptions, you can
see the instincts are there, ball hawking attitude, looking to
make splash plays. It's six years of college. And my
thing with Bud Clark is it's six years of college
and I think he might be maxed out, right. Yeah,
don't think he's got I don't think there's this another
level the Bud Clark. But I think he's a solid
player right now who's got six year's experience on him,
and you can drop him in and play him right away.
And I'm a little lower on Zachi Wheatley. I have
him at twelve. Among cornerbacks. There's a couple of guys
that are ahead of this. It's a lot of the
same stuff I just said about called Clark right and
on his things. I think that their scheme hides some
of his deficiencies because they start him he is starting
like twenty yards off the ball when the start of
the ball. I don't know why they play him so deep,
and because of that, everything is just consistently in front
of him. And while he gets around the ball a lot,
he doesn't always get the ball carry on the ground.
I don't think he's actually a very good tackler. I
think he's I mean, he's not bast Jams Smith, but
he is an okay tackler.
Speaker 1: Yes, he takes bad angles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I said, it's because he's playing so deep
that it just feels like, I don't know what they're
telling him. Don't let anybody get by you. He is
very aggressive. I love how he plays like his guys
are like his hairs on fire out there. But there's
a lot of I think his tape is better than
it needs to be because I think that they just
help him a lot. And so because of that, I
have him. I mean, this is still twelve. Here is
borderline day two, early day three to me. So I'm
not like completely out on Zaki Wheatley. I just don't
have him as high as the list that you're pulling
up here.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the fourth and fifth round.
I'm gonna combine these two. I'm just gonna roll through these.
There's ten corners here, and I told you that safety
drives up. There's two say you know what, let's just
do this safeties uh VJ. Payne from k State and
one thirty one. I got him as tall and rangey,
great mover, willing tackler, needs to use his frame a
little better, needs to wrap when tackling better, needs to
be in better physicians on occasion. So there's things to
work on. But it's a nice ball of clay of
mold there. And then my boy Michael Tapp, great blitzing safety,
could cover well enough, but is very undersized special teams
ace and he will, he's he's gonna he's gonna be
in the league for a long time as a special
teamer in my opinion. So those two safeties. The other
safeties in the sixth round Archcoby Thomas Spears, Schenning's Bishop Fitzgerald,
and then the other draftable safeties Lewis Moore from Indiana,
Ken o' daniels from Oklahoma, Cole was Newski from Texas Tech,
and Dalton Johnson from Arizona. Of the remaining safeties, who
do you like?
Speaker 2: So you actually haven't mentioned the guy that I have
in this highest one left. I love what Jalen Husky
does at Maryland. I love what you corner. Oh, okay Horner, Okay,
because if we're gonna pla you talk about him in
a corner. But he is really high for me. VJ.
Payn you mentioned he is right below Bud Clark, He's
ahead of Zachy Wheatley. It's just this mass. I don't
know where Kansas State finds these defensive backs that have
lest pterodactyl arms. They always have these guys that are right, yeah, yeah,
Juju Brents right. These just massively long guys and because
of that like better man coverage player than most safeties.
I think VJ. Pain is long enough to eliminate the
tight end, fast enough to cover some slot receivers. But
its uix. Because he's big, he doesn't shift very well.
He should be a better blitzer than he is. I
think he's just slow to react. It seems like at
times he's just not quite as you know, twitchy as
a lot of these other safeties behind him.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: Cole was Newski's right below z the Key Wheatley, and
then Lewis Moore and Robert Spears Jennings is in that range.
Jacobe Thomas, Michael taff all the guys you talked about
are in that same tier. This is like round five
to six. Newski was one year in Texas Tech after
transferring from North Dakota State. He missed all of twenty
twenty four with a foot injury. I thought I did
not watch him a lot during the year, and then
I went back through because he looks so good at
the Shrine Bowl actually, and I was like, wow, I
gotta go back and watch him. And then they didn't
invite him to the Combine, which again so dumb. I
don't know why he didn't get an invite to the Combine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody should be invited to the kind of man,
do the combine for ten days? What are you doing
with the stadium?
Speaker 2: And mind his bad tendency, I would say, if I
had to, I like a lot with Coles Newsky does.
He has a bad tendency of jumping and leaping at people.
As far as attackle Lerk is concerned, just just keep
your base, man, keep your base and tackle better. Because
he's very athletic. I'm he's very good player. I would
be very happy, especially on special teams, Lewis Moore. So
if D'Angelo Pan's is the star of the Indiana defense,
Lewis Moore and we didn't talk about Aiden Fisher under
a linebacker. But those two are just rock solid, unathletic,
given you know NFL standards, they're much more athletic than me.
But compared to NFL players, like, they're just not the
athletes that they are. But Lewis Moore a get another one.
I think he's kind of like Michael Taft. They'll carve
all these long roles you mentioned special teams and if
you need to play him on the defense, they're not
going to hurt you. I don't know if they're going
to be ever like players. I want to play out
down to down, but they won't hurt you. Jacoby Thomas
is in that same range. He he was more important
to what Miami did than even what Kan'te Scott is
because they would ask him to do everything game to beam.
It would be tackling, it would be blitzing, and it's
a very experienced player. A couple of touchdowns on picks
this year, but man, he was on so many tackles
and he just over pursues and a they just basically
tell him go get the ball. And because of that,
you're like, but you just left your your your gap
is wide open, man, Like, I get it. You're you
really want to get the ball, but I need you
to play some team defense too in here. So if
you watch the Koma Timas, I get why some people
like him. I feel like it's just not the type
of player I like. And Robert Spears Jennings is just
a really physically gifted player for Oklahoma who doesn't always
quite seem to understand what he's doing. It's kind of
like a lesser version of what von Belda did for
a long time to me. So so that's kind of
what I have for Robert Spears Jennings. Good safeties, but
I really like about fifteen of them, and after that
it kind of drops off a little.
Speaker 1: Bit going over to the corners in the fourth and
fifth round. We got ten of these dudes here just
in the fourth and fifth and obviously more beyond that.
At one O five Dalen Everett strong tackler. Play speed
doesn't live up to game speed, and he does get
routered on occasion for Chandler rivers from Duke. I got
him as an undersized CB with lots of experienced great production,
but he has undersized guys issues right, probably gonna sicken
the slot. Tough tackling, tough, getting bodied up. Will leave
from Texas a and m tall and explosive, long arms
and really sticks with his targets. A little narrow frame
and we'll tug if he gets beat and take the
flag to Caryo Washington. He from to Carrio Davis from Washington.
Great size and length, great ball skills, can get lost
in coverage and spun around the occasional flag for him
as well. Price Sock from Washington. Great size and speeds,
strong and contested situations. He's got special teams coverage. He's
narrow in a bit slow in transition, doesn't play the
ball very well either. In the fifth round, got Charles
Demings from Steven F. Austin, small school guy, physical and fluid,
sticks with the target. Low level competition as hard time
shutting blocks. Hezekiah Masses from cal We got tall enough
but underweight, great coverage skills, but rough tackler and has
to add mass. He's only one hundred and seventy nine pounds. TJ.
Hall from Iowa. Great instincts, it goes after the ball,
but the speed is bad enough to question if he
can play at the next level. Jade and Kennedy from
Oregon strong slock cornerback and he's undersize. Really was able
to keep the play in front of him, but size
targets will give him issues. And then there's like that
is Dixon, Devin Marshall, Demany Jackson from North Carolina, n
C State and Bama in the sixth and in the
seventh it's Lorenzo Styles from Ohio State had an insane combine,
Andre Fuller from Toledo and Colin Wright from Stanford as well.
Who do you like of the remaining corners in this class?
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys you talked about in there,
so actually the highest one I have I have Jaden
Kennedy at number ten. Okay, it's I just have all
these kind of slack cornerbacks in the same range as
It's julian Neal and then it's the four slack cornerbacks
back to back to back back, but Kennedy's the highest.
It's Kennedy, then Keith Abney, then Chandler Rivers, then Malik Muhammad.
I really like what Jadan Kennedy offers as far as
someone who's played in three different college teams because of
the transferring up he went from Tulane to Ole Miss
to Oregon, but combination like slots, safety, outside cornerback. His
best fits clearly slot because of his size, but plays
through the football the entire way at the catchpoint. Very
aggressive man coverage is awesome. Doesn't have the speed to
run down field with someone. But like you turn on
and watch theenum and you'd be like, wait, but Jayane
Kennedy's around the ball just as much. He just can't
always turn around and find the football, and that's that's
an issue. But I think the slot helps him in
that role. To me, he's like watch of Die baron
ded Light. That's kind of what I can hope to
get out of Jaydan Kennedy. As far as a slot
cornerback who can kind of make his impact on games
in a bunch of different ways. Chandler Rivers is a
very similar player. He's the next highest guy of the
guys who talked about. He is so aggressive man, he
is up there. He is pressing. The word I used
to describe cham the Rivers is just annoying. I yet
play against him is so annoying because his vertical's awesome.
He's just not big, but man, is he in your face.
He is out understanding his own coverages ideal like good luck.
I bet he is a very not fun player to
play against us. By the way, I'm phrased after them,
I have Dalen Everett up here. Really, he's like right
below Davis and Niguinosen.
Speaker 1: I think one of the first things he said about
this class is, look, I'm gonna be high on Daleen Evritt.
I think we were watching a Georgia game or something
or talking about Georgia, and you're like, I'm not gonna
be high on that guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm surprised he's actually as high as he
is on their list. I don't just don't get it. Man,
he's afraid to tackle, That's what I would say with him.
He takes some awful angles where he trusts his speed
too much and he's afraid to tackle, and there are
six foot he's He's he got the size right, he's
got the length. I said, I'm sure the packers will
take him because he went to Georgia and I'm gonna
have to eat it, but I don't quite I don't
really like Dalen Everett. I have him ahead of Davison Benolsen.
I do like TJ.
Speaker 1: Hall.
Speaker 2: You mentioned like the sizes that the speed isn't there.
He's not fast at all. But man, another one, he's
so fun to watch. He's like it's coverage. His skills
work well on one of once. It's how you tackle
as a cornerback. He'll go up against bigger backs, doesn't
give up an inch. He is looking to get you
to the ground, tackles right through the ballcarrier. But he's tiny,
won't have elite cornerback athleticism to play the boundary. It's
some combination of a slot cornerback safety. To me, he's
like what Chris Abrams Strains was a few years ago.
Is kind of a undersized cornerback who's fun to watch.
I don't know if it really works. I like as
a kaya, Massy's like he had a ton of early
on in the year. He popped because through three games
he led the nation and picks and.
Speaker 1: I feel like just watching cow he was so good.
Speaker 2: Oh he's all over the field, man, Like the only
one point he was like the only one who's great
at higher than him on PFF was man sort of
lane and it's because he's just constantly reading the ball,
not a afraid to play down hill and hit. But
then you start watching, you're like, oh, but you're that small.
Your angles are a bit odd, and it shows up
when you're tackling. So there's some physical limitations with him.
I you know, I just wish he was twenty pounds
heavier and could tackle a bit more. We'll lump the
two Washington guys together. I never have moved him. I
always just keep him right next to each other in
my rankings. I just don't know how to separate him
because they're so similar looking players. It's just unique size
and length and gifts that doesn't always show up on
their tape. But those players that big and that long
get drafted. And even if your tape isn't great, Caryo
Davis has not had I don't think he's had great
tape for a couple of years now. It's just kind
of like, oh, but you're that long, Okay, we'll take
a chance on you. Price sock looks better on the field, Yeah,
Carrio Davis and him both will get drafted, just because
a lot of cornerbacks that size don't they will get picked.
I have will Lee down there, will Leae to me
as similar player to Dyalen Everett. I want to like
will Lee Moore than I actually do. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I figure that, but he doesn't. He's got the speed,
but there's no way he's listed nearly at all as
he was right. He was not that big, and you
see like he just struggles to get off of He
struggles to get off in man coverage. So his best
he needs to hit.
Speaker 1: He needs to hit the gym like I I think
an A and M player. I think if he adds,
if he can add a little bulk and keep the speed,
he could be something. But he is a project for sure.
Speaker 2: It is uh he is. He just he gets out
bodied a lot. It's just you can see him not
being able to stand up and hold up. As far
as space is concerned, I will I'll talk about Jalen
Husky here. As far as you have him under cornerback,
I actually have him under safety. I get why you
had him. He played a lot of like slat cornerback
this year, but I have him under safety quick and
he's really high for me under safety, he is uh
safety twelve, Okay for thirteen. It's an old school enforcer
safety with a like a big time frame, not looking
to just tackle, but to actually throw people to the ground.
They use him variety of set formations. Sometimes it's this
slot cornerback, sometimes it's free safety. I think he makes
great jumps on the ball. To me, it's a bit
of a stretch, but there is the makings of like
a Javon Holland light like player in what Jalen Husky
can do. We're just going to take some development. Maryland
also has some success with these safety players, so I
am I'm willing to take some chance on what Jalen
Husky offers. But Lorenzo Styles at Sunny Styles Brother, you
mentioned the big the big time combine performance. That is
yet another child of the Missus Styles who has got
these ridiculous blood lines. And I think he'll probably get
picked just on the fact that he ran so well
just this, you know nothing else. Just tell him at
gunder and just say run straight ahead and go make
that tackle, and he'll carve out a nice career doing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't play at Ohio State, right three
hundred and fifty one snaps in the slot one hundred
and forty four free safety seven perimeter like he just
had no So he is absolutely a ball of clay.
But this dude, he's either gonna be an NFL starter
or do something in the Olympics, I think, because good lord,
he jumps off the page here. Next year's class looks
pretty good as well. Lots of corners Leonard Moore, OJ
Frederic from Miami, Elias Robinson from Georgia, all in the
top twenty at corner Coy Perch a top twenty safety
from Oregon as of right now, Ashton Hampton from Clemsony
like bowling. My favorite Zabian Brown from Alabama. I have
a personal connection to him. A friend of a friend
is his mom, So they watched him grow up and
play in Chandler at high school and then go to
Bama as a big time recruit. And then kJ Bolden
from Georgia at safety, Marcus Neil from Penn State and
you know, lots of first round options here or defensive
backs next year. Is there anyone that you've already looked
at that you're like, I am excited to see this
guy play at the next level.
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't done like any formal scouting, but I've
seen lettermore play enough to know that Leonard Moore's really
good at cornerback. He's gonna be. He's another really talented cornerback.
He showed up when Benjamin Morrison got hurt. Right, Benjamin
Morrison missed all of last season, and so as a
true freshman, he showed up on the field and he
was great out there, and I expect him to go
quite early. He is like what Will Johnson was pre
knee injury. That's how good Leonard Moore could be. I've
done some of these guys under cornerbacks though. I did
DJ McKinney when he was at he's now he's at
Notre Dame. I did not really see transferred, but he
was at Colorado and I thought, okay, well this at
least early when I did him last I say summer
or early fall, I thought DJ McKinney had a pretty
good chance of going early in the draft, but it
kind of fell off. He just he doesn't locate the
ball very well at this point. Hopefully we can get
some improvement there. I did Cam Calhoun. I also did
not know he was at Ohio State. Now I did
in him when he was still a member of Alabama.
He's before that, he was at Utah, so he's making
his transfers, but really light player. He's going to get
the same knocks that we did with Nate Wiggins as
far as just a light player and at safety's there.
I don't know if I've done I did Bray Hubbard,
and I did that's I did Rod more like I
want to say three years ago. Rod Moore has been
in college for like the better part of a five
years here, and it's a lot of injuries. But Ray Hubbard,
it's going to be a lot of what I said
about Aj Halsey, where I think Ray Hubbard is very
good at college and he probably will go Day two
with the trans picks. But it's taller safeties who are
don't kind of a little bit on more unathletic. It
can work, but it's also it's more of a box
defender than a real true safety. So where does that
really fall in. Could it be a Day two guy? Yeah,
I guess it could be a Day two guy, But
he's got a he's gonna have to show a little
bit more this year. But yeah, man. I Secondary can
be really tough to watch at times because there are
so especially safety, there are so many players with a bald.
Never even gets to them. You're like, wow, right, you
moved two steps that play and then it's for and
so secondary is usually the last thing that I tried
to watch, especially in the summer, because it can get
real boring, real fast.
Speaker 1: Corner. Corner is the hardest position I think in sports.
Maybe you know, like just to stick and all the
rules are against you to stick with those wide receivers.
It's just it's a tough tough job to have in sports.
But yeah, there you go. We did it every position.
Uh we you know what when do long snappers? Kickers,
the punters? We're not going to So I don't know.
Do you think there is a special team that gets drafted.
Speaker 2: Let me look, I have a list of here that
I have some kickers, and I think and yeah, I
think Tray Smack, the kicker for Florida, gets picked. Okay,
I don't. I don't know about any of the punters.
Maybe Ryan Eckley from Michigan State gets picked, but that's it.
I do not. I do not track long snappers. That
one I have not put on my sheet, and I
will not put that on my sheet. So shut shout
out long snappers. It's an important position for the NFL.
But I am not doing any long snappers.
Speaker 1: Nah No, I mean, you know, how would you could
take them anyway?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Look, another good snap? Another good snap? No better, spot
didn't throw it over his head? Great work, you know,
I know from long till all right? That is it
for us. Uh, and that is it for us until
after the draft. And I believe Ck and I are
going to be on the show on FP doing the
twenty twenty seven way too early mock draft after the
draft this week, so pay attention to that. We will
have a little bit for you for next year already
rather quickly. So remember to follow us at Bogman Sports.
I'll be on you know, we'll be doing Day one
on IL and then i'll be over on Day two
for Fantasy Pros and at cop I E p S
for c K. What you got coming up my friend yep.
Speaker 2: And hanging out with you on Thursday night. I'm also
going on I forget the name of their show. I
want to say it's like the Offensive Points Show podcast thing.
One of the nights doing the night something at least
on and off and doing some things like that. So
I'm just really excited for the next few days here. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. NFL Draft time. So that is
it for us and we will see you guys after
the draft. Good luck, everybody, take it easy,