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Speaker 6: Good evening. On the psaltry August morning in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 6: the battered body of a young woman was hoisted from
Speaker 6: a dry well just outside Hogansville, Georgia. Author and investigator
Speaker 6: Clay Bryant was there witnessing the macabre scene. Bryant was
Speaker 6: tagging along with his father, Buddy Bryant, Hogansville chief of Police.
Speaker 6: The victim, Gwendolen Moore, had been in a violent marriage
Speaker 6: that was no secret, but her husband had connections to
Speaker 6: a political machine that held sway over the troop. County
Speaker 6: Sheriff's office overseeing the case. To the dismay and bafflement
Speaker 6: of many, no charges were brought, that is until Bryant
Speaker 6: followed his father's footsteps into law enforcement and a voice
Speaker 6: cried out from the well. Three decades later, the book
Speaker 6: that we're featuring this evening is solving the West Georgia
Speaker 6: murder of Gwendolen Moore. A Cry from the Well with
Speaker 6: my special guest, State trooper and an investigator, Clay Bryant.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the program, and thank you so much for
Speaker 6: this interview. Clay Bryant, Thank you so much. I appreciate
Speaker 6: the opportunity to talk about the case it was. It's
Speaker 6: been very a high point of my life, absolutely, and
Speaker 6: this book is testament to that. Let's start off right
Speaker 6: away with you were raised in Hogansville, Georgia, West Central Georgia.
Speaker 6: Your father was the local police chief. Tell us about
Speaker 6: your upbringing and some of the things that you learned
Speaker 6: from your father, Buddy Bryant.
Speaker 4: Well, to be quite honest, for the most part, I
Speaker 4: was raised on the stateable police call. My dad was
Speaker 4: a local police chief, and.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 4: Spent every week an hour I could with my dad.
Speaker 4: He was kind of my hero, you know. He was
Speaker 4: kind of a mixture between Andy Griffith and Chief Gillespie
Speaker 4: and a little bit of Will Rogers. He had a
Speaker 4: saying and some philosophy about everything. As Southern police chiefs go.
Speaker 4: He was well educated. He went to the Southern Police Institute.
Speaker 4: He was in the first graduating class of the Georgia
Speaker 4: Police Academy in nineteen sixty six. He was an FBI
Speaker 4: fingerprinted expert. He was at he would. He loved his
Speaker 4: craft and he did everything he could to further himself
Speaker 4: in it. And uh, he also loved people. And that's
Speaker 4: the one thing that I admired about him most. He
Speaker 4: had time for everybody in the world. Didn't matter if
Speaker 4: you were, you know, the president of the bank at
Speaker 4: lunchtime at the city Club, or if it was one
Speaker 4: of the miscreants from in town that were banging on
Speaker 4: the door at Sunday morning at six o'clock trying to
Speaker 4: explain what happened to him on Saturday. You know, it
Speaker 4: was just it was a it was a great place
Speaker 4: to live. Everybody knew everybody, and it was it was Mayberry. Uh.
Speaker 4: If you can envision that, I had a wonderful childhood. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now let's get to a time and a case that
Speaker 6: affected your father greatly, and obviously that's what this book
Speaker 6: is about. The events of August fourth, August third, and
Speaker 6: August forth in nineteen seventy. Tell us what had happened?
Speaker 6: You talk about A crowd had gathered gathered around South
Speaker 6: Lee Street at the old house adjacent to Junior Turner's yard.
Speaker 6: Tell us about the call that your father got and
Speaker 6: what happened to you and your father that day.
Speaker 4: Well, as I did a lot of times, I was
Speaker 4: tagging along with my dad. I don't exactly remember what
Speaker 4: I was doing in the police station with him that morning,
Speaker 4: but he got a call from the Sheriff's office and
Speaker 4: there had been a body found in a whale just
Speaker 4: outside the city of Hoganville at that time time. The
Speaker 4: sheriff's office wanted my dad to go out and take
Speaker 4: some photographs the body in the recovery. So of course
Speaker 4: he asked me, He said, you want to go, so
Speaker 4: ride in, jump right in a police call with him,
Speaker 4: and we rode out, myself and he and one of
Speaker 4: the other officers rode out just literally a stone's throw
Speaker 4: outside the city limits of Hoganville, and there in an
Speaker 4: abandoned well, about twenty feet down, you could see the body.
Speaker 4: It was looked as if it was in a fetal position,
Speaker 4: but like kneeling to pray. Uh, And I guess that's
Speaker 4: just the way that Gwendolen landed in the well. It
Speaker 4: was a dry well that it had been curved to
Speaker 4: a house years before, and the house had burned down,
Speaker 4: and people in the neighborhood actually had been used in
Speaker 4: the old well to throw garbage in. And she was
Speaker 4: down in the well and there was a number of
Speaker 4: folks there. One of the kids in the neighborhood had
Speaker 4: found a body cause they were looking for from the
Speaker 4: night before. It was, you know, said that she she
Speaker 4: they hadn't found her the night before, and she was
Speaker 4: her husband had been looking for her, and one thing
Speaker 4: and another. But there was probably twenty twenty five folks around.
Speaker 4: And we're talking about you know, rural True County, Georgia.
Speaker 4: Uh So there was just a few houses there, but
Speaker 4: everybody right close by was there watching the scene. And
Speaker 4: I never will forget a thing that moved me the
Speaker 4: most about it. The definty sheriff went down on a
Speaker 4: cable that a record sent down as when they did
Speaker 4: put a cable around the lady and when they raised
Speaker 4: her up either, well, she was on that cable and
Speaker 4: you know, as a cable stretches, it spins around, and
Speaker 4: it was just a terrible display. And the sad thing
Speaker 4: is on the side of the well over there were
Speaker 4: three of her children, And yeah, I never will forget
Speaker 4: that that was that that site stayed with me for
Speaker 4: a very long time and it does today. But uh,
Speaker 4: everybody knew that there was you know, that she had
Speaker 4: endured a a violent marriage and that all the neighbors
Speaker 4: had seen evidence of that, and there was very little
Speaker 4: doubt as to what had happened in the case. And uh,
Speaker 4: but nothing ever happened in the case. And it it
Speaker 4: just it ate my dad alive. I mean, he it
Speaker 4: was the one thing that it He just didn't ever
Speaker 4: turn loose. He'd see her husband on the street and
Speaker 4: he'd say, you know, he should be on death row
Speaker 4: in Tattenhall County for what he did. He said, you know,
Speaker 4: it was just inhumane that it never was pursued the
Speaker 4: way that it should have been. There was no justice
Speaker 4: for her.
Speaker 6: Now, as you write in the book, you tell us
Speaker 6: about the history of the Marshall Moore, this is the
Speaker 6: man that was looking for his wife. And we haven't
Speaker 6: talked about what happened on August third, nineteen seventy. But
Speaker 6: let's go back to Marshall Moore and Gwendolyn. But how
Speaker 6: Marshall Moore, the background of Marshall Moore, and before we
Speaker 6: find out how he came to marry Gwendolen and then
Speaker 6: the life that Gwendolen and their children endured under the
Speaker 6: right under Marshall Moore.
Speaker 4: Marshall Marshall was raised in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains,
Speaker 4: North Georgian, Rayburn County, and he was raised in a
Speaker 4: family that it was a lot of domestic violence, and
Speaker 4: they were raised in a place where, you know, it
Speaker 4: was very rural, very poor, and Marshall watched his father
Speaker 4: mistreat his mother and it was a family legacy that
Speaker 4: was passed down through the years. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: his grandfather and I was told this by members of
Speaker 4: his family, had killed his grandmother back in the thirties
Speaker 4: in Raven County and burned her body on a pyre
Speaker 4: in Raven County in the thirties and nothing was ever
Speaker 4: done about that. But back again, back then, nobody knew
Speaker 4: about the family and it was just a legacy of
Speaker 4: brutality that it was passed down to him. Now, he
Speaker 4: and his father actually the first time he'd got got
Speaker 4: into trouble, uh, he was as a juvenile. He and
Speaker 4: his father committed a burglary his father was prision and
Speaker 4: he did some time in a juvenile home and UH
Speaker 4: when he left there, he found his way to Adamsville,
Speaker 4: which is on the west side of Atlanta, uh, right
Speaker 4: outside of Atlanta, and he uh a family took him
Speaker 4: in and they were neighbors UH with the McDaniels, which
Speaker 4: uh Wynellan Moore was Wyndellan McDaniel prior to UH, prior
Speaker 4: to their marriage. UH. Her parents were good, loving people, UH,
Speaker 4: hard work and he worked for the railroad and this
Speaker 4: and that, and Marshall came down and she married him
Speaker 4: when she was fifteen years old. UH and she while
Speaker 4: she was just had gotten out of the middle school
Speaker 4: at uh Margaret Faye Middle School in Adamsdale in Fulton County,
Speaker 4: and U immediately she was pretty much I tried to
Speaker 4: be isolated from her family and UH her path was set.
Speaker 4: And it only it took fifteen years from the marriage
Speaker 4: to the time that she was lifted out of that well.
Speaker 4: And she endured some unspeakable atrocities. And again this came
Speaker 4: from her children and members of his family and her family.
Speaker 4: And it's a I I it's a it's it's a
Speaker 4: horrific story. Actually, but uh, every one it needed to
Speaker 4: be told.
Speaker 6: You explain in this book that uh, to to fully
Speaker 6: understand the situation here, you talked about the grandfather, uh,
Speaker 6: killing the grandmother and putting in a fire pit and
Speaker 6: no one saying anything, but this is nineteen seventy in
Speaker 6: Troop County, Georgia. But unbelievably, and you say that to
Speaker 6: fully understand the cultural, political, and social climate in nineteen
Speaker 6: seventy Troop County, Georgia, you said, you need to know
Speaker 6: a little bit of the regional history. And we're talking
Speaker 6: about John will and lou Shephard and their offspring and
Speaker 6: so tell us about the cultural, political, and social climate
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy and where this culture started and some
Speaker 6: of the players involved.
Speaker 4: Well, the Shepherd family originated just across the Alabama line
Speaker 4: from Lagrange, Georgia. They had several children. They but two
Speaker 4: of some of the children migrated down to Phoenix City, Alabama,
Speaker 4: and some of them came into Lagrange and set up
Speaker 4: businesses here. The ones that went down to Phoenix City,
Speaker 4: they helped build a gambling criminal empire, gambling, illegal electal, prostitution, everything,
Speaker 4: every vice you can imagine. Uh. Time Magazine in the
Speaker 4: forties and fifties regarded and I exposed a regarded to
Speaker 4: Phoenix City as the wickedest city in the United States
Speaker 4: of America. As a matter of fact, General Patton had
Speaker 4: it declared alf Lennson in a letter to the Department
Speaker 4: to the Secretary of the Army when they were bearing
Speaker 4: the third Army to go to Europe, he stated the
Speaker 4: fact that he said, if it were up to him,
Speaker 4: he'd take a sherman across the river bridge between Columbus
Speaker 4: and Phoenix City and destroy Phoenix City for the terrible
Speaker 4: influence that was having on the men that he was
Speaker 4: trying to train to go fight a war. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: the guys that went south to Phoenix City was primarily
Speaker 4: was Hohite Shepherd. A family referred him as Big Hoyt.
Speaker 4: He opened up a place called Obama Club, and it
Speaker 4: was run by Hoyt and his family, and they ruled
Speaker 4: Phoenix City with an iron hand. They had the law
Speaker 4: enforcement to prosecute everything that had to do with the
Speaker 4: politics in Phoenix City, Alabama. They owned, and in doing
Speaker 4: so it enabled them to literally get away with murder.
Speaker 4: For years, the stories of Phoenix City had been well
Speaker 4: chronicled in the Phoenix City Story and one book by Ms.
Speaker 4: Margaret and Barnes, Tragedy and Triumph of Phoenix City, Alabama
Speaker 4: and nineteen fifty five. Phoenix City was the only The
Speaker 4: Attorney General elect was murdered before we could take office
Speaker 4: on the streets Hia City by the sheriff chief Deputy,
Speaker 4: and that resulted in martial law being declared in Russell
Speaker 4: County and Phoenix City, Alabama. That is the only time
Speaker 4: Marshal Pawfic has ever been declared in the United States
Speaker 4: of America. UH. There was a big in UH federal
Speaker 4: investigation and it resulted in UH a couple of hundred
Speaker 4: indictments and several convictions ranging everywhere from murder to aiding
Speaker 4: UH folks that were in the gambling business. It was.
Speaker 4: It was quite the feel but a lot of those
Speaker 4: folks migrated and their influence migrated up into Troup County, Georgia,
Speaker 4: and they came in and took control of the Troop
Speaker 4: County Democratic UH Committee. And back then there there wasn't
Speaker 4: any opposition in the South to UH. In a way
Speaker 4: of party politics. You were a Southern Democrat or you
Speaker 4: weren't anything. And right they they presented their candidates to
Speaker 4: run and for judgeships and law enforcement positions and prosecutor
Speaker 4: positions in every other position. And it wasn't just in
Speaker 4: True County, but that's just the way it was in
Speaker 4: a lot of decision town. The sheriff had a lot
Speaker 4: of power. He and the and the judges. They they
Speaker 4: you know, they held the key to the jail. And
Speaker 4: because of that, uh, the power they wilded was just
Speaker 4: you know, remarkable, And because of that it allowed for
Speaker 4: a lot of criminal enterprise developed and the result of
Speaker 4: that was situations like Gwyndell and Moore. Her husband had
Speaker 4: some ties to some of these folks that were in
Speaker 4: these criminal enterprises, and because of that, her case was
Speaker 4: just basically swept under the road.
Speaker 6: It's about the collusion between Shepherd and the sheriff Matthews.
Speaker 6: But also that four months after Marshall everyone knew that
Speaker 6: he had killed his wife and put her into this well,
Speaker 6: he remarried this Shepherd's daughter, Priscilla, just to that's correct,
Speaker 6: just to demonstrate the power that he had to elude
Speaker 6: or evade prosecution for this. Now with this evading prosecution
Speaker 6: for this charge, I know that he marries Priscilla Shepherd.
Speaker 6: But how do they actually go about not prosecuting this
Speaker 6: marshal at all? How is that possible?
Speaker 4: Well, you've got to remember now this is nineteen seventy,
Speaker 4: two thousand and twenty. There wasn't any support groups. There
Speaker 4: wasn't anybody. She was not from there. Uh, there wasn't
Speaker 4: anybody standing on the courthouse steps, you know, having a
Speaker 4: fit because she and in the words of her s
Speaker 4: of her one of her sons, my mother was a
Speaker 4: prisoner and a slave. And again they weren't from the area.
Speaker 4: They came in and he'd made and he'd made some
Speaker 4: uh friends and high places, uh, simply because of how
Speaker 4: he was. And uh, there there was there was no
Speaker 4: comfort for her. I mean, there was no place to
Speaker 4: govern with the neighbors. Now, the neighbors actually would witness it,
Speaker 4: her getting beaten, would hide her under the house, you know.
Speaker 4: Uh it it was just a tragic story. Again, there
Speaker 4: were there weren't any support mechanisms for anybody back then.
Speaker 4: And uh, she even if she left him on several occasions,
Speaker 4: sometimes would go to his family and sometime to her,
Speaker 4: but he'd always track her down. Back to that same
Speaker 4: statement of her son, you know mother was a prisoner
Speaker 4: and a slave, and that's what she was until she
Speaker 4: was sure she died. And after he married the shepherd
Speaker 4: lady h he couldn't be quiet, as I guess someone
Speaker 4: to say rough with her as he had with her
Speaker 4: with Gndolin, because he would have been the one that
Speaker 4: wound up in the well if that would catch m
Speaker 4: hm letus.
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Speaker 6: Now, you talked about that he wouldn't lay a hand
Speaker 6: on Priscilla Shepherds, that certainly he wouldn't do that, But
Speaker 6: you talked about that the beatings that Gwendolen endured were
Speaker 6: even witnessed by the sheriff's deputies because they had you
Speaker 6: remarked it that because it's so hot, they had these
Speaker 6: big windows. So they were called once upon a time
Speaker 6: by the turners and these police officers, these law enforcement
Speaker 6: witnessed the beating and the berating of Gwendolen Moore at
Speaker 6: the hands of her husband, didn't they and nothing was done.
Speaker 4: Well, on the twenty eighth day of July of nineteen seventy,
Speaker 4: she was lawful what was called. She went to the
Speaker 4: hospital and she received stitches and treatment in the emergency
Speaker 4: room and sent back home to endure some more and
Speaker 4: what less than a week later, she's dead in the well.
Speaker 4: But it's hard for me. On several occasions, neighbors had
Speaker 4: called and reported the violence that they were witnessing, and
Speaker 4: it was always a case, you know, I guess their
Speaker 4: answer was a man's home as his castle. And there's
Speaker 4: no explanation for me for that, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: I just it was just so blatantly wrong that there
Speaker 4: is no words to try to defend what they did.
Speaker 4: I just can't.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about August third, nineteen seventy, because later you
Speaker 6: tahal to this one of the sons, Allan, who was
Speaker 6: fourteen at that time, and Alan, we'll never forget what
Speaker 6: happened that day. He was old enough to remember, and
Speaker 6: he was involved, at least in his mind, in the
Speaker 6: death of his mother. Let's talk about August third, nineteen seventy.
Speaker 6: You say that Gwendolyn had let Alan, Ricky and Larry
Speaker 6: go to the swimming pool in Hogansville with a neighbor.
Speaker 6: But however A Marshall showed up at the swimming place
Speaker 6: and ordered the kids into the car ticket from there.
Speaker 6: Tell us what happened that day?
Speaker 4: Well, actually he had come home and write she told
Speaker 4: him that the kid had got on the swimming though.
Speaker 4: That's when the worst of this beating. Who plays the
Speaker 4: one that Ronnie Turner witnessed from the front porge, And
Speaker 4: it was a tremend beating. He uh described vividly what
Speaker 4: had happened and Marshall after the beaten. I don't know
Speaker 4: if she was unconscious of what, but she was on
Speaker 4: the floor and Ronnie could see it through the through
Speaker 4: the bedroom window. As long as she was standing up,
Speaker 4: he could see what was happening, but he said he
Speaker 4: never would forget that she Marshall had left at that point.
Speaker 4: He was going to get the kids at the swimming pool.
Speaker 4: He had to have a complete told control over every
Speaker 4: aspect of everybody's life. And he said that Gwendolen got
Speaker 4: up out of the floor and pulled usself up on
Speaker 4: the bedpost. And the last time he saw she was
Speaker 4: going out the door. And we're talking about I'm talking
Speaker 4: to him in two thousand and two, late two thousand
Speaker 4: and two, early two thousand and three, and he vividly
Speaker 4: describes the clothing the woman has on. Wow, and which
Speaker 4: you have to question the ability of an eyewitness sometime,
Speaker 4: you know. And I said, I said to Ronnie, I said, Ronnie,
Speaker 4: you're telling me that she had on a white blouse,
Speaker 4: yellow shorts. And she got up out of the floor,
Speaker 4: putting putting her blouse back on, and I said, you know,
Speaker 4: how can you remember that you saw it one time
Speaker 4: thirty three years ago. And he looked me straight in
Speaker 4: the face and said, no, chief, I've seen it nearly
Speaker 4: every day for thirty three years. And that in such
Speaker 4: a powerful statement, you know. And at that point she
Speaker 4: made her way over to Junior Turner's house where Junior's
Speaker 4: daughter and her boyfriend was there, and as they had
Speaker 4: done in the past, they hid her in the crawl
Speaker 4: space under the under the house to keep her away
Speaker 4: from Marshall and Alan. When they got back from the pool,
Speaker 4: she was gone. And of course, uh, Marshall didn't want
Speaker 4: any part of her going around the neighborhood looking like
Speaker 4: she looked at that point, and he sent the kids
Speaker 4: out to look for her. Well, Alan knew that she
Speaker 4: had in the past sought refuge under the house, so
Speaker 4: he goes under the house. He finds his mother under
Speaker 4: the crawl space of the house like a dungeon. She's
Speaker 4: popped up against an old space heater and uh, eyes
Speaker 4: swollen shut, and you know, she's bloody, and Alan and
Speaker 4: her talk and she tells him that she's gonna try
Speaker 4: to get some help and she's gonna try to come
Speaker 4: back and get him. And Alan he comes out from
Speaker 4: under the house. He tells his dad he couldn't find her,
Speaker 4: and at that point this Marshall's search for her continues,
Speaker 4: you know, and the next thing you know, she's found
Speaker 4: in the well. The next morning, Alan, when I interviewed
Speaker 4: him in two thousand and two about this after the
Speaker 4: the case came back up. You know, he actually was
Speaker 4: r Now, he didn't run away from home. He was
Speaker 4: run away from home when he was fifteen years old,
Speaker 4: and he went and a aunt took him in down
Speaker 4: in Lagrange, Georgia, and she st He stayed with her
Speaker 4: for a couple of years till he went in the navy.
Speaker 4: She signed for him to go in the navy as
Speaker 4: his guardian. Spent twenty years in the navy. You know, uh,
Speaker 4: just a good, productive citizen. And when I talked to
Speaker 4: him on the side of the interstate that day, when
Speaker 4: after I had called and told him I was opening
Speaker 4: the case back up, he had tears running out of
Speaker 4: his eyes, and he said, if I had just taken
Speaker 4: her by the hand and taken her and ran to
Speaker 4: the police station, maybe my mama would be alive today.
Speaker 4: And that had haunted that man for his entire life,
Speaker 4: and in his own words, it had profoundly affected him
Speaker 4: and his relationships with other people and so forth. It was,
Speaker 4: you know, this terrible incident and this effect Gwendolin. It
Speaker 4: affected a lot of people in him especially.
Speaker 6: You talked about how this case affected your father and
Speaker 6: so we fast forward to nineteen eighty and one of
Speaker 6: the big dream of your father and what was this dream?
Speaker 6: And tell us a little bit about what happens in
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty with his effort to achieve this.
Speaker 4: Dream my dad it was a you know, every everybody says,
Speaker 4: you know, well, you know you got the greatest dad
Speaker 4: in the world, and you know, my parents are this
Speaker 4: from my child's this My daddy was a fair minded man,
Speaker 4: and he was a he was He treated everybody well
Speaker 4: and if he needed putting it in jail and he
Speaker 4: was all for it. But if he he tried to
Speaker 4: do the right thing. And he saw this this conduct
Speaker 4: going not just in this case, but other cases. In
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty, he decided that he was gonna h run
Speaker 4: for sheriff and try to clean his mess up. And
Speaker 4: the summer of nineteen eighty was the hottest year old
Speaker 4: record up to that point. It was I forget how
Speaker 4: many days in August did It was over a hundred
Speaker 4: degrees and he basically walked every every residence in Troop County,
Speaker 4: and in a five man race, it was it narrowed
Speaker 4: down to him and Sheriff Bailey, and a runoff and
Speaker 4: my dad was gonna win that runoff pretty much by
Speaker 4: a landslide, because people at that time had become a
Speaker 4: little more educated and saw the things that had gone
Speaker 4: on and it was just time to change. And Uh,
Speaker 4: ten days before the run off election that my dad
Speaker 4: uh was surely gonna win, he succumbs to his third
Speaker 4: heart attack, the right old age of forty six, and
Speaker 4: uh he was followed uh by one one of the
Speaker 4: guys that uh was in the race with him was
Speaker 4: past sergeant of our local state patrol uh Georgia State
Speaker 4: Patrol post and actually was had been my boss when
Speaker 4: I first went to worked for the Georgia State Patrol's
Speaker 4: name was Gene Jones. He had endorsed my dad, and
Speaker 4: in return, when from my dad's death, UH, my dad's
Speaker 4: campaign committee they endorsed Jones and he won the election.
Speaker 4: And UH at that point a lot of the things
Speaker 4: turned around and it started down a better road. He
Speaker 4: was a good law man, and he held the officed
Speaker 4: for two or three terms and and did a lot
Speaker 4: of good a lot of improvements, and just things like
Speaker 4: this ceased to happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you were devastated, you write. After obviously was the murder,
Speaker 6: a pardon me, the death of your father heart attack,
Speaker 6: so close to achieving his goal. And but you write
Speaker 6: that your father not only wanted you to be a
Speaker 6: peace officer, but he wanted you to be a prosecutor.
Speaker 6: So tell us something good his dream of you being
Speaker 6: a prosecutor and what you did with that, well, my.
Speaker 4: Dad, he more than anything in the world, he wanted
Speaker 4: to see maybe a prosecutor. And while I was on
Speaker 4: the state patrol myself or I'm a trooper, comrade. We
Speaker 4: went to law school at Woodrow Wilson School of Law
Speaker 4: in Atlama, and uh we we graduated in June of
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty and ready to take the bar exam and whatnot.
Speaker 4: And in a situation where my dad and he his passing.
Speaker 4: So I never had any desire to be a lawyer,
Speaker 4: to be honest, but I just you know, I said
Speaker 4: my dad, I'm a hero, you know, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to make him happy. So he basically paid for me
Speaker 4: a free legal education that I promptly wasted. And uh yeah,
Speaker 4: I stayed with State Control for about another year. They
Speaker 4: offered me his job the chief policed and hoping for
Speaker 4: Georgia and for every wrong reason in the world. I
Speaker 4: took it and stayed there for twelve years. And one
Speaker 4: thing about it, though, if you consider, you know, if
Speaker 4: you t in life events like that, if you changed
Speaker 4: one thing to change everything, and had I not gone
Speaker 4: to the City of Hoganville, the events of my life
Speaker 4: would have played out in a different way. And this
Speaker 4: murder and three others, three other coal cash murders that
Speaker 4: I had the good luck to solve and resolve, they
Speaker 4: would have gone unpunished. And so you know, I'm happy
Speaker 4: with the way it turned out. But it was again
Speaker 4: my father's dream of me being a prosecutor kind of
Speaker 4: went by the wayside. But I believe I can honestly
Speaker 4: tell you that he looks down at accomplished months that
Speaker 4: came from it. I think he's well pleased.
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Speaker 6: we were talking about your father's wish that you become
Speaker 6: a prosecutor and this case gone completely cold. It's still
Speaker 6: stayed with you, but you got a call in fall
Speaker 6: two thousand and two from the District Attorney Roy Ollinger,
Speaker 6: tell us what happened in this phone call? What was
Speaker 6: imparted to you?
Speaker 4: Well, Royd told me, wrote Royd. He had retired from
Speaker 4: the GBI and he went to work for Peach Candelacus
Speaker 4: at the District Attorney's office and he was fictioning to retire,
Speaker 4: and he called and told me that, you know, the
Speaker 4: job was coming open and maybe i'd like to talk
Speaker 4: to Pete, who was, you know, a friend of mine,
Speaker 4: and get back into law enforcement because I had left
Speaker 4: law enforcement, been out about ten years. And I called
Speaker 4: Peach Scandalacus and he told me, yeah, we'd be interested
Speaker 4: in you coming to work for us. So I applied
Speaker 4: for the job, and of course history shows that I
Speaker 4: went to work there in the DA's office as an
Speaker 4: investigator in True County. And as i'd been to work
Speaker 4: ten days, I think I went to work on October
Speaker 4: the fifteenth and I was sitting at the office and
Speaker 4: I got a call from investigator with the Sheriff's office
Speaker 4: and he said, Clay, you remember a situation where a
Speaker 4: lady was found a Well and Hogan were back in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy and we were talking thirty three years later,
Speaker 4: and he said, there's no record. We don't have anything
Speaker 4: about it. And he said, I'm looking at a death
Speaker 4: certificate says clearly Mark this was homicide. Describes as the
Speaker 4: injuries and how they uh over a period of days,
Speaker 4: how they were inflicted, and you know, and I it
Speaker 4: it was just like the light went on, you know,
Speaker 4: I said, not only do I remember, I said her
Speaker 4: name was Gwendolen Moore. He said that's right, and I said,
Speaker 4: I was standing there when she came out of the well,
Speaker 4: and you know, it shocked him, It shocked me. It
Speaker 4: was just like, you know, divine intervention. And he said,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna send you a copy to this death certificate
Speaker 4: and said, if maybe you can help this lady. Her
Speaker 4: l young lady's name was Leslie Power and she had
Speaker 4: actually was a great niece of Wendolen Moore, and when
Speaker 4: she was cleaning out her grandmother's a fact, she found
Speaker 4: this death certificate that of a great aunt that she
Speaker 4: never knew she had, and she just wanted to because
Speaker 4: of the questions raised on the desk certificate. She wanted
Speaker 4: to find out something about it. And Larry said, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna fact the desertificate over to you, and and he did.
Speaker 4: And I get to looking at the at the top
Speaker 4: of the at the death certificate, and of course I'm
Speaker 4: looking at the meat and potatoes. If you would have
Speaker 4: just about the injuries and the fact that it's marked
Speaker 4: a homicide and what the cause of death was. And
Speaker 4: I look at the top of the of the facts
Speaker 4: and it's October the twenty fourth, two thousand and two. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's my daddy's birthday. Wow. I know, I don't believe.
Speaker 4: I'm not a I'm not a paranormal guy. But when
Speaker 4: I saw that, it was just like an epissany you know,
Speaker 4: he had such an interest in this case for so long.
Speaker 4: And again I don't I'm not a big promoter our
Speaker 4: normal activity. However, I do believe in divine intervention. I
Speaker 4: think sometimes God puts folks in places, in situations to
Speaker 4: where they might and right or wrong or do some good.
Speaker 4: And I believe this was surely one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And we started with the investigation. From there. I looked
Speaker 4: at the report. I had a lot of people help me.
Speaker 4: We found records from thirty three years old that there's
Speaker 4: no way on God's green Earth you would ever should
Speaker 4: have been able to find them. You know, that was
Speaker 4: before things were archived and this and that. We found
Speaker 4: the things that we needed to do from a record
Speaker 4: standpoint to be able to reopen the case and travel forward,
Speaker 4: and we did some of the things in the old
Speaker 4: GBI report. They talked to Alan Moore. One of the
Speaker 4: things that they talked to him three or four days
Speaker 4: after mother's funeral, and what he said, and he related
Speaker 4: the story about finding his mother and this and that,
Speaker 4: and he then he tells the case agent, you know,
Speaker 4: my dad killed my mother, and if he finds out
Speaker 4: I'm talking to you, he'll kill me too. You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's power of the statement company your child, you know.
Speaker 4: But we were able to the problem that we were
Speaker 4: gonna have was that topsy was done by a medical
Speaker 4: examiner and Lagrange, Georgia doctor Joseph Krafka. Doctor Krafka had
Speaker 4: long since passed away. You had to have somebody that
Speaker 4: could testify to the cause of death, and didn't have
Speaker 4: anybody to authenticate that record. So without that, we were dead.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be dead in the water. So I contacted
Speaker 4: the g YEAH, doctor Chris Ferry, who had had dealings
Speaker 4: with him on several occasions. He was a pathologist for
Speaker 4: the Georgia State Crime Laboratory, and I was able to
Speaker 4: get an a point with him. I took the death
Speaker 4: certificate in the things I had with me up there,
Speaker 4: and he says, well, Clay, he said, I think there's
Speaker 4: a possibility that we could actually come up with a
Speaker 4: legitimate cause of death. But in order to do that,
Speaker 4: we've got to exhume her body and look for the
Speaker 4: injury as it caused. And you know, at that point
Speaker 4: you don't really know what you know. You don't want
Speaker 4: to open a lot of really ugly wounds this family
Speaker 4: that were the victims of this mess without you know,
Speaker 4: involving them in the decisions you made. And we had
Speaker 4: a meeting myself and Peach Candalacus, who without his support, uh,
Speaker 4: none of this was ever happened. M We had to
Speaker 4: meet with the family Alan Uh, her sister, Uh, several
Speaker 4: nieces and nephews, and they uh I Alan said I
Speaker 4: want my mother exhumed, and that allowed us to be
Speaker 4: able to By giving his permission to be in the
Speaker 4: next to ken Uh, we were able to exume our
Speaker 4: body and we took it to the crime lab and
Speaker 4: course you know it thirty three years later, it's nothing
Speaker 4: but scaltil remains. And as doctor Sperry was taking the
Speaker 4: remains out of the coffin and he'd meticulously wash every
Speaker 4: every boone and placed it on the uh mm gurney,
Speaker 4: anatomically correct building. It coming back, you know, from the
Speaker 4: skull down and what we thought was in according with
Speaker 4: Dr Kraft's cause of death, he said it was secondary
Speaker 4: to most likely to a concussion that had progressed over
Speaker 4: a period of time, right, and that, uh, that was
Speaker 4: the cause of death. And in that you would think
Speaker 4: maybe there's gonna be a skull fracture there. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: he took took the skull cap off and he says,
Speaker 4: you know, her nose been broke more times than I
Speaker 4: can count, he said, but I don't see anything in
Speaker 4: her skull that I could say was an immediate cause
Speaker 4: of death. So now we're about six seven months into
Speaker 4: this investigation, and this is absolutely one of the hardest things,
Speaker 4: you know, myself and Linda Carwell she was a assistant
Speaker 4: dad that was gonna prosecute case. We're sitting in the
Speaker 4: floor of the morgue literally, you know, absolutely devastated, by
Speaker 4: that news, right, And I mean to the point where
Speaker 4: you got tears running out of your eyes because you
Speaker 4: know you're trying so wrong, so hard to right or wrong.
Speaker 4: It's been so long standing, and you hit this wall.
Speaker 4: And we're sitting there in that, you know, just at
Speaker 4: the bottom of the pit of emotion. And Doc Sperry's
Speaker 4: steady working, cleaning up the remains and putting them on
Speaker 4: the table, and he gets down in the cervical station
Speaker 4: of her neck and he says, oh, this is provocative,
Speaker 4: and you know that just kind of goes over the
Speaker 4: top of your head, you know, because you already heard
Speaker 4: the worst. And then in the next sentence he said, nope,
Speaker 4: this is murder. And what he had done, he'd gotten
Speaker 4: down to where the highway process covers your voice box.
Speaker 4: It's a bowl of bony structure. And uh, it is
Speaker 4: an absolute indicator of manual strangulation. And we went from
Speaker 4: the lowest low you could go to. She was manually
Speaker 4: strangle to death. You have a cause of death, to
Speaker 4: the top of the pinnacle of the roller coaster ride.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It was just it's hard to describe, but that gave
Speaker 4: us the cause of death. We were able to came
Speaker 4: back to La Grange immediately told told Pete about it,
Speaker 4: and I said, you know, we probably are going to
Speaker 4: uh probably. My thought was we were gonna wait until
Speaker 4: so we would wait until the grand jury met and
Speaker 4: we do an indictment, you know. But came back, told
Speaker 4: Pete that and I said, well, we are, We're gonna
Speaker 4: indict him and he said no, he said, we're gonna
Speaker 4: go take a want for it. I said, y'all done
Speaker 4: some great work on this case and devoted so much
Speaker 4: time to it. Y'all deserve that. And with that went
Speaker 4: to the judge and gave our dog and pony show.
Speaker 4: And the next thing, you know, we had to want
Speaker 4: for Marshall Moore and we had him arrested. But Marshall
Speaker 4: had developed throat canton. They were able to put the
Speaker 4: trial off out for him god a year more and
Speaker 4: finally Judge says, we're gonna try him. If we have
Speaker 4: to do it on a stretcher, we're gonna try that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was, you know, it was a hectic. It
Speaker 4: was a hell of a journey, you know. But I
Speaker 4: can tell you this, I believe Again I'm not much
Speaker 4: on the paanormal, but I believe my daddy was looking
Speaker 4: down as who was proud of what we did.
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Speaker 6: Now you talked about and you take us right into
Speaker 6: that morgue where you're sitting with Linda Calwell, another person
Speaker 6: that was instrumental in helping you get to that point
Speaker 6: that did you get able to hopefully prosecute Marshall Moore
Speaker 6: for the murder of Gwendolen her his wife Gwendolen. And
Speaker 6: then there was this. You were worried because by the
Speaker 6: language that he was using, and then the discovery where
Speaker 6: he said it was murder was provocative. No, it was murder,
Speaker 6: and it's the hy eight point bone clearly indicating that
Speaker 6: she was strangled. So now with this, you talk about
Speaker 6: the delay in this because he has a good lawyer,
Speaker 6: he has a good attorney, and he's using every motion
Speaker 6: and he can to delay this. At the same time
Speaker 6: he has this throat cancer that he's dealing with. Tell
Speaker 6: us just a little bit about that that weight you
Speaker 6: say about two years. I think that this was back
Speaker 6: and forth.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely harder was to us. You know, we
Speaker 4: want to we want to try the case of hinds
Speaker 4: some resolution in it. And his attorneys named Bill Stemberger
Speaker 4: from Muna, Georgia, excellent attorney, and you know, he had
Speaker 4: discovery on the case. He knew what we had and
Speaker 4: his his mission in life at that point was postponed, inevitable,
Speaker 4: and he was able to do that. Oh, Marshall. The
Speaker 4: one thing that they got the judge, I think at
Speaker 4: one point he said that they had a surgical procedure
Speaker 4: schedule and they put the thing off again and they
Speaker 4: came for the surgical procedure and it didn't happen. That's
Speaker 4: when Judge Keebile got upset and said, you know, if
Speaker 4: we had to try him on a stretch of with
Speaker 4: what we'll do. And that got us to that point,
Speaker 4: you know. But it was during that time. Oh now
Speaker 4: we'll say this because we arrested. We arrested him and
Speaker 4: it got a bit of publicity. And there was another
Speaker 4: case in nineteen eighty seven that appearance and a friend
Speaker 4: of mine, it was his father, disappeared. Myself and Peach
Speaker 4: Kandal like us, he ran a body shot. He we
Speaker 4: took Peat's vehicle over there and a storm had come
Speaker 4: through and a tree fell on a Peach pickup truck
Speaker 4: and we were over there. He said, you know, what'd
Speaker 4: be the chance of y'all looking into my dad's disappear
Speaker 4: And well, we can do that, and we. Victim's name
Speaker 4: was Fred Wilkerson, and as luck would have it, we
Speaker 4: were able to transition from that case right into Fred's case,
Speaker 4: and other than just the having to wait and be
Speaker 4: put off, my focus had jumped right onto Fred's case
Speaker 4: and we were able to move forward with it and
Speaker 4: develop some information that hadn't been acted on before and
Speaker 4: we actually were able to locate Fred Wilkerson's body in
Speaker 4: a well and some twenty nearly twenty years later, UH,
Speaker 4: and the family was able to give them a decent
Speaker 4: burial and we were able to convict the person's responsible
Speaker 4: for killing Freend and that just kind of rolled over
Speaker 4: into another case and UH to another case. And during
Speaker 4: the time that we operated UH doing this, UH actually
Speaker 4: went to a seminar in Charleston put on by the
Speaker 4: n CIS, who has the largest cold case investigative squad
Speaker 4: in the world because of you know, they do naval
Speaker 4: bases and marine bases and UH there you know, have
Speaker 4: a transient population, so a lot of their cases end
Speaker 4: up going cold. UH, but they are the authority on
Speaker 4: cold cases UH pretty much in the country. And at
Speaker 4: that seminar, they actually used one of my cases to
Speaker 4: UH as a case study in the presentation, but they
Speaker 4: looked at my other cases and they stays as far
Speaker 4: as they could tell that during the time that we operated.
Speaker 4: Now we that I was the most prolific cold caase
Speaker 4: investigator in the United States and single event homicides, which
Speaker 4: you know, that was an honor that I thought was
Speaker 4: you know, for them to say that. Of course, I'm
Speaker 4: very proud of it. But we saw four cold case murders.
Speaker 4: The oldest was thirty three years old and the youngest
Speaker 4: was fourteen years old, and everybody got prosecuted, and in
Speaker 4: the subsequent ones after the Mored case, all of them
Speaker 4: found guilty and got life in prison. So we really
Speaker 4: had had a good run. It was accomplishment that you know,
Speaker 4: it'll go with me to my grave and back to
Speaker 4: that same thing. I hope my dad looks down and says,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: They really did well, and his dream of you being
Speaker 6: a prosecutor really actually didn't come true. But in terms
Speaker 6: of aiding and being instrumental in prosecution, uh, you end
Speaker 6: up being the facto prosecutor of sorts in that at
Speaker 6: least these people were brought to justice, and like you said,
Speaker 6: these court cases were closed.
Speaker 4: The great thing was that every one of those where
Speaker 4: it's where it says prosecutor person that took the warrant
Speaker 4: for him. On all these other cases too, they say
Speaker 4: Clay Bryant, and that you know, that's thrilling to me.
Speaker 4: We uh uh, you know, my dad, he, like I said,
Speaker 4: he was a person that he had a saying for everything.
Speaker 4: I remember one time we were riding along the patrol car.
Speaker 4: He ride with me some times around from the state
Speaker 4: control and uh, he said, I'm just gonna tell you, boy,
Speaker 4: He said, down follow the police profession was a day
Speaker 4: to put an air condition a patrol car. And I said,
Speaker 4: what in God's name were you talking about? He said,
Speaker 4: think about it. So he said, simplistic, but it's the truth.
Speaker 4: He said, that day it became more comfortable for you
Speaker 4: to isolate yourself from the people that you most need
Speaker 4: to stay in touch with to be good at your job.
Speaker 4: You don't know what they were, right, of course, I
Speaker 4: can live with the air conditioner. But the theory is
Speaker 4: so true, you know. And it goes back to that thing.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're going to be a peace officer
Speaker 4: and not a policeman, you need to be part of
Speaker 4: your community, and that community needs to have faith and
Speaker 4: respect for you to because they know things that you don't.
Speaker 4: He also said this, He said, you know, everybody on
Speaker 4: the front view of the First Baptist Church is my friend,
Speaker 4: he said, but there's a lot of things they can't
Speaker 4: tell me. And he said, there's good and the worst
Speaker 4: of people, and there's bad and the best people, and
Speaker 4: you have to take them for what they are and
Speaker 4: use them to make the right thing happen. And in
Speaker 4: these cases, I think we did.
Speaker 6: You said that he made a big, a great distinction
Speaker 6: between being a peace officer and a police officer.
Speaker 4: What did he mean by that truth, Well, you know,
Speaker 4: a policeman is exactly that. You know, a peace officer
Speaker 4: is a person that tries in his view, a policeman
Speaker 4: is a guy that walked out there with the law
Speaker 4: book and it's everything that you know, all The thing
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna do, for the most part is if
Speaker 4: anything's against what the statue says, we're gonna that's the
Speaker 4: only thing we're gonna deal with. But if you're a
Speaker 4: peace officer, you want the right thing to happen that
Speaker 4: you know, you want to keep a family together if
Speaker 4: you can, instead of of tearing it apart. You need
Speaker 4: to contribute the good things in your community, not just
Speaker 4: police the community, but make it a better place for
Speaker 4: people to live. And that's kind of the way about
Speaker 4: Daddy was. You know, Uh, in these other cases, you know,
Speaker 4: there were times when I just absolutely would hit an
Speaker 4: impass and it always seemed like you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: get choked up talking about it. I always seemed like
Speaker 4: somebody setting on my shoulder that steered me in the
Speaker 4: right direction.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's get back to this prosecution that was so
Speaker 6: important to your father, so important to you that this
Speaker 6: Marshall Moore be accountable for the murder of Gwendolyn and
Speaker 6: some you had met with and the prosecutors had met
Speaker 6: with Alan and his brothers and his siblings and his
Speaker 6: family to talk about whether they would exhume the body.
Speaker 6: And they were supportive of specially of you and your team,
Speaker 6: but spoke especially of you and their confidence in you,
Speaker 6: and they were willing to exhume their loved one's body
Speaker 6: in the aid of this prosecution. And you say that
Speaker 6: Marshall had an excellent attorney, but he went through every
Speaker 6: motion to be able to delay the inevitable trial. Let's
Speaker 6: talk about what happened to again have him evade culpability.
Speaker 4: Well, as heartbreaking as it was to us, after about
Speaker 4: two years, it was inevitable, we're going to trial. Basically,
Speaker 4: Marshall goes in the hospital in he starts rejecting treatment. Uh.
Speaker 4: And I forget exactly what the date was, but Marshall
Speaker 4: Moore succumbed to his censer prior to us being able
Speaker 4: to get him to trial. But and as injust as
Speaker 4: that was to me, the simple truth is that Gwendolyn
Speaker 4: Moore's voice was heard from that well and he was
Speaker 4: held accountable for it, and he to this day, from
Speaker 4: a judge and an authority a whole lot higher than us,
Speaker 4: he's been. He's been held accountable for it today. And
Speaker 4: you know, again, that is what it is. I would
Speaker 4: have given anything in the world for us to gone
Speaker 4: to trial, like I said, but you know, his attorney
Speaker 4: knew the evidence that we had and the witnesses that
Speaker 4: were that you know, some of which now have passed away.
Speaker 4: But at the time they we stood ready to go
Speaker 4: to trial. And lord, note, I thought we had everything,
Speaker 4: including the smoking gun, and there's no doubt in my
Speaker 4: mind he would have been convicted and held accountable for it.
Speaker 4: But that wasn't meant to be. But in the other
Speaker 4: subsequent cases we were lucky enough that every one of
Speaker 4: those went to trial, and as of right now we
Speaker 4: got to five folks that are in jail for l
Speaker 4: life in prison sentences. Uh for murders they committed and
Speaker 4: they long thought they gotten away with so you know,
Speaker 4: we had a good run. And this hopefully is the
Speaker 4: first book in a series of We're gonna probably write
Speaker 4: some about the others, but just when Actually I wrote
Speaker 4: the book fifteen years ago, when I was doing the case,
Speaker 4: and that's why you know so much passion in the book. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know we uh uh. Our cases have been
Speaker 4: chronicled on four twenty eight hours Investigates, so Bill Curtis's
Speaker 4: Cold Case File of Discovery, Ida's murder book, and this
Speaker 4: case will be a new thing will be come out
Speaker 4: on I think it's August the twenty seventh or twenty
Speaker 4: sixth on Discovery. I d in a series called the
Speaker 4: Detective Diaries, which is a compilation I'm told of what
Speaker 4: they believe to be the best colcase investigators in the country.
Speaker 4: And this is gonna be one of their lead lead
Speaker 4: stories will be two hours long, and it and one
Speaker 4: of the other cases of Wilkinson case will be the
Speaker 4: subjects of that. So you know, that's got morticon more
Speaker 4: to congratulations.
Speaker 6: It's it's interesting too when you talk about that it
Speaker 6: was such a disappointment for him to evade this prosecution. However,
Speaker 6: as you write, he knew, his lawyer knew definitely, and
Speaker 6: it advised him that he was likely to be prosecut
Speaker 6: he was likely to be convict it, and he did
Speaker 6: the desperate measure of avoiding that prison time, avoiding that
Speaker 6: court case period by starving himself the death basically essentially,
Speaker 6: so you had him on the run. Like you write
Speaker 6: in the early in the book, you talk about a
Speaker 6: hunting analogy, but your father from the grave, Gwendolen Moore
Speaker 6: from like you say, I cry from the well, but
Speaker 6: from the beyond, and then yourself in this faithful series
Speaker 6: of events, you become the person that's the person to prosecute,
Speaker 6: the person to make right this case. So I think
Speaker 6: that you talk about this providence and you talk about fate,
Speaker 6: and I think we definitely this was justice for Gwendolen Moore.
Speaker 6: An incredible journey to be able to do that, and
Speaker 6: with the help of so many people, but also with
Speaker 6: like you said, say, your father looking over you, approving
Speaker 6: of what you finally were able to accomplish, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and even in cases on down the road, there
Speaker 4: were times that things came up that there was absolutely
Speaker 4: no explanation for. There was one case where guy was
Speaker 4: charged with kidnapping, great murder, and I was looking for
Speaker 4: another victim that he'd had in years past, and there
Speaker 4: was no record of it whatsoever. I ended up eating
Speaker 4: dinner at a restaurant with some other folks and the
Speaker 4: mention of the guy's name comes up, and a lady
Speaker 4: at the table is the victim of the crime that
Speaker 4: I was trying of one of his victims, and she
Speaker 4: was the person that I could not find anything about.
Speaker 4: What's the chance of that? Yeah, there can't be a
Speaker 4: thing in the world say that's what good Lord intended
Speaker 4: to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I want to thank you. I want to
Speaker 6: thank you so much Clay for coming on and talking
Speaker 6: about your book, Solving the West Georgia Murder of Gwendolyn Moore.
Speaker 6: I cry from the well. I know that this is
Speaker 6: a history press release, and this is on Amazon and
Speaker 6: Barnes and Noble and everywhere. Is there any way they
Speaker 6: might find out more information about this case?
Speaker 4: Well? Uh, the Atlanta Journal Constitution wrote extensively about this
Speaker 4: case in other cases, and uh, the True County Archives
Speaker 4: has a history of it in True County and Lagrange, Georgia.
Speaker 4: And also they also failed the book as well. But
Speaker 4: anyone that I would like to buy a book through
Speaker 4: the Hill Try Press or or even from me. I've
Speaker 4: got a social media page and it's Clay Bryant sor
Speaker 4: uh just Clay Bryant sr At on Facebook, and I'd
Speaker 4: be glad to try to talk with him about it
Speaker 4: or discuss anything they wanted to about it. Or it's
Speaker 4: an open book. And you know, I'm proud of the
Speaker 4: work that we did, and again I look forward maybe
Speaker 4: to doing three more and hopefully their stories will be
Speaker 4: as as good and compelling as this, and I feel
Speaker 4: like they are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we look forward to more books by you.
Speaker 6: This is if this is any indication of the writing
Speaker 6: ability that you have. So thank you so much Clay
Speaker 6: Bryant for coming on and talking about solving the West
Speaker 6: Georgia murder of Gwendolyn Moore. I cry from the well.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Clay. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Good night I've been I've definitely enjoyed it. Dan, thank you.
Speaker 4: Have a pleasant e I'll just can I