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<v Speaker 1>Twenty third day of October twenty twenty four, allegedly according

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<v Speaker 1>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing we call a calendar. And guess what this is,

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<v Speaker 2>the O'Kelly effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you could be hearing us on the live stream,

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<v Speaker 1>of course at ocelly dot com radio and through your

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<v Speaker 1>various radio apps. But then again you might also be

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<v Speaker 1>watching the video, which I'm gonna release a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>after the audio, and we're gonna need some visual elements tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a Wednesday, the middle of the week,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are broadcasting live on Ocelli dot com Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>The video again not live, but it is being recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm not gonna make you look at

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<v Speaker 1>my face too much tonight. We've got other issues and

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<v Speaker 1>other images to discuss, for sure. Special show tonight. Why

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's kind of a I've done hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>shows on the JFK Assassination. Of course, I've done shows

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<v Speaker 1>on many different topics, whether it be the news of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, the historical events of this that the third thing,

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<v Speaker 1>various writings, various films, film makers, etc. People that have

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<v Speaker 1>created a lot of interesting material, whether it be academic

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<v Speaker 1>or in the realm of entertainment. All of it barely

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<v Speaker 1>relevant to tonight's discussion, but a grouping of shows absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>various appearances with a lot of different authors and interesting people,

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<v Speaker 1>even witnesses to history. Regarding the jfk assassination. This is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a unique thing. I've got a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>who is an author. Indeed, you know, you could look

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<v Speaker 1>for some older books like High Treason.

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<v Speaker 2>You could look for that book. You could look for.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's just stop talking about the ones that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about, and talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>The ones I do want to talk about. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold up a couple of books real fast here, because

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<v Speaker 1>visual aids are always helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually I'm going to hold up three books for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because they are a set of three that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is not just a required reading, but required viewing

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<v Speaker 1>and an absolute necessity if you care to study the

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<v Speaker 1>case in depth in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 2>The killing of a President.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this book is out there in softcover and hardcover

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<v Speaker 1>form and has not currently in print, I don't think,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know it was for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I don't care how you get it, you

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<v Speaker 1>need it. What comes next, Well, there is the search

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<v Speaker 1>for Lee Harvey Oswald, which, by the way, for years

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<v Speaker 1>on Google. That was the book that I held in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me when you know, I took a picture

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason. I wanted something JFK related in front

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<v Speaker 1>of me. In the very first interview I ever did

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<v Speaker 1>about the case was on Lee Harvey Oswald.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what this is what I was holding up

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<v Speaker 2>in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, now to a book you can still get

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<v Speaker 1>your hands on. And I am really happy when you

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<v Speaker 1>can get your hands on this thing. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we might give you some special information about how to

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<v Speaker 1>get a really special bookmark before we're all said and

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<v Speaker 1>done tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And this one is much more current, absolute proof.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what between these the photographic information in them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even if you didn't know how to.

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<v Speaker 2>Read, I got to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh, by the way, the special bookmark looks a

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<v Speaker 1>little something like this. It is a ticket from the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Theater from nineteen sixty three, from a particular date

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I think. But anyway, we'll let Bob tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oops, I spoiled it.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Groden is the guy with us now. He worked

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<v Speaker 1>on the House Select Committee on assassinations as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the group of people working on the photographic evidence the film.

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<v Speaker 1>He showed the Supruder film to the world basically on

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<v Speaker 1>The Roaldo Show in the nineteen seventies. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>historic piece of footage. I'm very sure if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>looked at an on the case, you've looked at that

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<v Speaker 1>piece of footage. I'm sure you've seen the Suppruter film.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, he's actually responsible for I don't know, something like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent of the most well known, recognizable and essential

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of visual information that have been presented publicly. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>also autopsy photos things like that. He's put out there too,

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<v Speaker 1>in magazine form. In let's see, there were videos out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there still are some videos floating around out there,

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<v Speaker 1>although you got to be careful which copies you get

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<v Speaker 1>and these books. Like I was just talking about magazines.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>He also used to get arrested in Dally Plaza. I

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<v Speaker 1>think something like eighty times he got busted in Dally

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<v Speaker 1>Plaza for doing what, oh, sharing information with people, setting

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<v Speaker 1>up a table and saying here I am I happen

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<v Speaker 1>to have photographic information. If you'd like to see it

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<v Speaker 1>and giving presentations right there, just you know, a few

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<v Speaker 1>feet away from what they call the Grassy Noll, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on the Grassy Noole. Sometimes Bob was doing presentations

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<v Speaker 1>right there in Deally Plasa kept getting arrested some years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but thankfully that's not the issue today. Oh and the

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<v Speaker 1>last thing is that he's going to be at the

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<v Speaker 1>Lancer Conference the twenty second of November, okay this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Am going to be mceing there. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be hanging out with Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm telling you right now, as I said on

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<v Speaker 1>the Friday Night Calling show, I don't know last week,

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<v Speaker 1>week before week before, you know what it's worth the

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<v Speaker 1>price of admission right there, You're going to get to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with a guy who was on the hsca

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<v Speaker 1>part of that investigation. Not going to tell you which part,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not going to delve into that tonight, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was there on that you know, as part of

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<v Speaker 1>that investigation. He definitely again helped the world see the

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<v Speaker 1>Zupruter film, but I mean all kinds of stuff. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a presentation to give in Dallas, and that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be November twenty second to the twenty fourth of this

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<v Speaker 1>year at the exactly at the Dallas Marriott Downtown. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go to Assassinationconference dot com you can

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<v Speaker 1>get your tickets there. And oh, by the way, if

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like ten percent off, Ocelli ten is a discount

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<v Speaker 1>code you can use and get ten percent off of

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<v Speaker 1>your tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're going to go there in person or virtually,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sign up at Assassinationconference dot com and I

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<v Speaker 1>urge you to do so. If you haven't planned already

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<v Speaker 1>to go, you should. And I gave out a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of names, by the way, this week on another show

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<v Speaker 1>with Larry Hancock, which the audio is just starting to

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<v Speaker 1>make its way out there, where I gave you a

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<v Speaker 1>whole list of names. Oh, hold on a second. That

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<v Speaker 1>does remind me that list of names. It just happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the back of a limited T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have with me in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's your list of names. Whoops, wait a minute, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Might not have my Here we go with the blind guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't run the audio in the video at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right anyway, for those of you listening on radio, you

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what's going on. But in the audio version,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, I'm holding up a T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>which has a bunch of the names, which does include

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Groden and myself, Carmin Savasano. Mike Swanson is kicking

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<v Speaker 1>off the conference, Larry Hancock presenting virtually.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to go there anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I've wasted enough time running my mouth. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Bob Groden, and I'm going to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>one one small area which is probably the most significant

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<v Speaker 1>and important area when it comes to evidence and the visual,

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<v Speaker 1>the film, the uh you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The still pictures, all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I put this on the top of the list because

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<v Speaker 1>the Bruder film and it's legitimacy. That's what I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to Bob Groden about. But first I got

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<v Speaker 1>to shut up and ask him how he's doing. Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Doing well? Doing well? When you seem to be doing

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<v Speaker 3>it fine?

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully, I'm happy to be here with you. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you've ever done this show. I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how to to, you know, compress your introduction

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<v Speaker 1>into something that would take me only a minute to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to talk very fast, but I mean your

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<v Speaker 1>guy with a huge background, and because you started working

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<v Speaker 1>with this film and you ended up working with seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>every photograph that touched the case over the decades now

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed, wait a minute, is the twenty second?

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<v Speaker 2>Also your birthday, by the way of November? Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that something I remember too?

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct? I turned eighteen of the day it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I was lucky. I was playing hookey from

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<v Speaker 3>school that day and I heard the first reports on

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<v Speaker 3>TV which changed very quickly. The fact that I heard

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<v Speaker 3>the original reports which were the exact opposite of what

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<v Speaker 3>they told us later on, That's when opened up my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>that the fact there was something crazy going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, and there you go. So I'm actually going to

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<v Speaker 2>see you on your birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>In Dallas this year, and an unfortunate one at that,

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<v Speaker 1>although you know, the universe lines things up for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll leave it at that, and you know, everybody can

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<v Speaker 1>discuss and figure out all of the ethereal concepts themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about a little bit about you though, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how long had you been.

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<v Speaker 2>Working with the Subruder film?

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say is are the key things in

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<v Speaker 1>your background when it comes to JFK stuff anyway, that

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<v Speaker 1>you would present just a few bullet points, because, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if I wanted to lay out a good biography,

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<v Speaker 1>if I wanted to give a good introduction that covered

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<v Speaker 1>everything with you, I'd be here for another half hour.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think are the key points? Like

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Roden who is Bob Roden Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Who has worked with a photographic evens for annow sixty

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<v Speaker 3>one years and as a brutal film came into my

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<v Speaker 3>possession through a story which I'll tell you a little

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<v Speaker 3>while right now, sufficing to say that I have my

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<v Speaker 3>hands on the original film, which was a miracle, a miracle.

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<v Speaker 3>Researchers in the case have wanted to try to find

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<v Speaker 3>the film and look at it for years and years.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't until twelve years after the assassination that I

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<v Speaker 3>was able to release the film to the public. I

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<v Speaker 3>had had it for several of the years, but I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't have I didn't have the opportunity to reveal it

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<v Speaker 3>to the public. I was too afraid to Initially. I mean, here,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the single most important piece of evidence in

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<v Speaker 3>the case, and I couldn't show it to anybody. I

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<v Speaker 3>was afraid to if somebody had found out, if the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong person or people had found out, I would have

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<v Speaker 3>been in the great deal of danger. So it worked

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<v Speaker 3>out very well. Fate was on our side and a

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<v Speaker 3>wrong river. I found out that I had the film

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<v Speaker 3>because I showed it at a conference in Boston, and

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<v Speaker 3>he called me up and asked if I would be

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<v Speaker 3>if you wanted to show it, I certainly am, and

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<v Speaker 3>we got together in New York and we transferred to

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<v Speaker 3>on the Good Night America. There were three segments to

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<v Speaker 3>that was the highest rating that Haraldo ever got, was

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<v Speaker 3>the Zappruter film segment, and he repeated it again and

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<v Speaker 3>that got even more so. The film itself is what

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<v Speaker 1>And it's remarkable in that up to that point, right

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<v Speaker 1>version that was printed in the warrant commission. These black

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<v Speaker 1>And then after that even there was bootleg versions that

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I had my hands on one of those

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<v Speaker 1>as almost transparent. When I actually held this thing and

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<v Speaker 1>like a bad photocopy of a bad photocopy of a

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<v Speaker 1>bad photocopy. But nonetheless it allowed people to see the

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<v Speaker 1>traveled around in the late sixties and all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up until you put a very good version up on

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<v Speaker 3>Is that not true, Well, yeah, that's very true. What

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<v Speaker 3>happened was when Jim Garrison subpoena the Zupporter film for

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<v Speaker 3>showing in the courtroom during the quay Shaw trial. What

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<v Speaker 3>they had was one that was purposely degraded. You could

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<v Speaker 3>It was like visual mud. A copy was made of

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<v Speaker 3>what he had and was bootlegged, which went around the

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<v Speaker 3>country for years and years. But it was horrible. It's horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>The copy that I showed at at the Boston conference

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<v Speaker 3>was almost pristine, but it could have been better than

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<v Speaker 3>it was. What happened was that Araldo's people wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>slow it down so that they could so that I

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<v Speaker 3>could comprehend what it was seeing, and I offered to

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<v Speaker 3>make them a slowed down version of it. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to bother whether they want to take the time,

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<v Speaker 3>So it would have been a lot clearer if they'd

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<v Speaker 3>have shown what I would have given him to him

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<v Speaker 3>to do. But you know it did. The job got

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<v Speaker 3>out there, and all in all, it did change the

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<v Speaker 3>history of the case. That's what got the case for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I brought this up last night actually during a

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<v Speaker 1>they are often various events that come together to create

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<v Speaker 1>a circumstance where something gets done. I talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>ar RB and everybody points to the Oliver Stone film. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Bob makes an appearance in JFK the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>just saying he is in there briefly if you know

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<v Speaker 1>where to find him, and I do. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to give it to you guys who knows. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>use it as a trivia question and give something away

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<v Speaker 1>around the time of the conference had head anyhow.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're showing the film, Okay, A general outcry from

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<v Speaker 1>the public based on other congressional investigations, the Citizens Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>these things came together to cause enough of a ruckus

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<v Speaker 1>that we end up with the House Select Committee. In

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, and you need all of those elements to

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<v Speaker 1>come together, okay. And in the nineties, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver Stone film, but the long standing campaign of release

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<v Speaker 1>the files was definitely a pressure campaign that was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was living in New Jersey at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was very familiar with a guy named Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly and a few others who were actively involved in that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were people nationally and here comes Roaldo again

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<v Speaker 1>in that case too. By the way, he had various

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<v Speaker 1>people out there that were advocating for release the files.

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<v Speaker 1>But it took that pressure, the public's outcry from the

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<v Speaker 1>JFK film and a few other things to snowball. It's

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<v Speaker 1>usually not just the one event, no matter what people

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<v Speaker 1>point to. So I would say Bob that in effect,

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<v Speaker 1>you even had a resonant effect in creating the HSCA

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, which you ended up then participating.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what happened. When I show the film one good Night

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<v Speaker 3>in America, a lot of people saw it for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time. And what happened is a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>from Congress saw it, specifically the Virginia Congressional delegation. They

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<v Speaker 3>contacted me, specifically Congressman Thomas Downing in Virginia, and he

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<v Speaker 3>asked me to come to Washington to the House of

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<v Speaker 3>Representatives and show my addit. It's not just the Zabruta

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<v Speaker 3>film the zu Brut film, and they fell a much

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<v Speaker 3>more film and a few others as well, and my

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<v Speaker 3>entire slide presentation which took about two hours, and I

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<v Speaker 3>showed him to that as representatives in to my absolute amazement,

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<v Speaker 3>Constant Downing introduced legislation to reopen the case. It took

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<v Speaker 3>a long time to think, about two years to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>but eventually it did get open, and there was a

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<v Speaker 3>second investigation, first being the Warrant Commission. The House House

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<v Speaker 3>of Committed Assassinations went into far more detail. A Congressmant

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<v Speaker 3>Downey had me. He asked me if I would be

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<v Speaker 3>the typical consultant for the fully graphic Heavin was puty

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<v Speaker 3>committee and it was critic full lifetime to do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of work. And the showing of this film A

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<v Speaker 3>Good Night of America made more change to the issues

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<v Speaker 3>of the assassination than anything else. I'm very very proud of.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But again now look full credit to you, of course

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<v Speaker 1>for participating in that. But I would say also the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there were other congressional investigations which were showing that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, the US government might have been lying

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<v Speaker 1>to us about a few things or hiding stuff you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in various cases we had Watergate previous to this. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there is a general mood that started to come

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<v Speaker 1>up that laid the groundwork for you to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to come forward. So all of these things come together,

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<v Speaker 1>and to my mind, you have to recognize that all

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<v Speaker 1>of them participate in this. Now, I'm putting this aside,

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<v Speaker 1>even though this in and of itself is worthy of

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<v Speaker 1>discussion and coverage for the whole show. We could do

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<v Speaker 1>two three hours on just this and not cover everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But I need to get to something else here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you participated in this historical well historical influence, a campaign

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<v Speaker 1>of influence which you were part of a big part of.

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<v Speaker 2>And it does center on the Zubruder film.

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<v Speaker 1>And we could talk about, you know, Abraham Subruter, the

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<v Speaker 1>dress manufacturer, and how the film came. But let's put

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<v Speaker 1>that aside for now. In the future, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>do a very basic let's get the one oh one

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<v Speaker 1>on this, Bob and talk about it. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, but not tonight. And here's why a

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<v Speaker 1>great many people are out there stating that this film

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<v Speaker 1>is not legitimate, Bob. They will say that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate piece of evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there are people out there that say it's

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<v Speaker 2>been fabricated.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I have said in the past that I see

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<v Speaker 1>that the film has been altered at different times. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, there was damage to it, There were missing frames,

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<v Speaker 1>there were things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That went on.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, if you see a version of the film

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<v Speaker 1>where it is kind of stable and you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>follow it because it appears very steady, that's generally a

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<v Speaker 1>version that came from you, Bob. You're the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>stabilized it. In my mind, I think you're first, and

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<v Speaker 1>the best stabilization.

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<v Speaker 2>Came from you. So if you see an unstable version

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Film where it does move around quite a bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at something that came from a version before

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<v Speaker 1>you stabilized it, or most likely.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I can say that it's been altered in

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<v Speaker 2>that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are people out there that take it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot further and they say it's been manufactured. Things have

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<v Speaker 1>been added, things have been taken away, They took out frames,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a full stop of the limousine, all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I don't want you to answer the.

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<v Speaker 1>Specific charges necessarily, Bob, not at all, because again they

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<v Speaker 1>have a list longer than my arm. Of those, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>complaints and allegations about how the film is not legitimate.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, they explained to you why that happened. Okay, that'll

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<v Speaker 3>that'll read it. There were two assassinations in quotes researchers

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<v Speaker 3>who came up with this idea the Zip film is fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Why because they have specific theories. The Zapprui film disproved

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<v Speaker 3>their theories, so they attacked it. And as time went by,

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<v Speaker 3>four and more people got involved with the concept. Though

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<v Speaker 3>it's fate, it's fate, it's been altered, it has not

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<v Speaker 3>been Let me explain the only damage to the film.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing that is if you consider retouching, is

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<v Speaker 3>that there are two points in the film where there

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<v Speaker 3>are missing frames. And the first, the first splice, takes

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<v Speaker 3>place where there are two frames missing and two more damaged.

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<v Speaker 3>The second one there are four frames missing and two

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<v Speaker 3>frames damaged. They are no longer missing. They call them

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<v Speaker 3>missing frames. But you have we had that book and

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<v Speaker 3>in this let me take a minute to find it,

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<v Speaker 3>and this I actually publish all the missing frames. They

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<v Speaker 3>are no longer missing. These are the two splices right here,

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<v Speaker 3>this splice here was being famous by Josiah Thompson in

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<v Speaker 3>his book Six Seconds in Dallas. But that's because the

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<v Speaker 3>very obvious one you can see the other one here.

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<v Speaker 3>The splice is hidden within the shrubbery here and it's

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<v Speaker 3>difficult to see. I'm the one who found this first splice.

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<v Speaker 3>It was never advertised that it was there. And when

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<v Speaker 3>I was working on the film earlier on, I had

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<v Speaker 3>the original film in my hand, the actual camera original

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<v Speaker 3>and as I was running it through my hand like this,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt displice, the physical splice in my hand, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I discovered it. Now everybody knows about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but those are the only alterations to the film. Life

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<v Speaker 3>magazine said that the junior lab technician did it by

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<v Speaker 3>mistake when he was running down and making four by

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<v Speaker 3>five transparency copies, that he accidentally closed something down on

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<v Speaker 3>the film and tour it well. I find timicult to

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<v Speaker 3>believe in the bay quarter of a million dollars for

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty one second film and put in the hands

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<v Speaker 3>of somebody who didn't know what they were doing, and

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<v Speaker 3>they never released the name of the man who did it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point is this, there are specific issues that

425
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:20.039
<v Speaker 3>have to be faked. For some of the theories that

426
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.559
<v Speaker 3>other people have come up with, and it just got

427
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:28.200
<v Speaker 3>carried away. The Kennedy assassination is the biggest conspiracy in

428
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 3>the history of the world. That's not enough for some people.

429
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 3>They have to add additional co conspiracies along with it.

430
00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:39.880
<v Speaker 3>And they're just enjoy the fact that they're saying that

431
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:44.359
<v Speaker 3>this Zubruta film was faked. Zubruta film is the single

432
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.519
<v Speaker 3>most important piece of evidence in the entire case. When

433
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.640
<v Speaker 3>they attack it, they're attacking the single most important thing

434
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.359
<v Speaker 3>that we've got, and the defenders of the Warring Commission

435
00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 3>must be laughing, then tushies off, because that film is legitimate.

436
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.880
<v Speaker 3>We can prove that, we can prove it, and I'm

437
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 3>going to go into all those things for you today.

438
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask you this about.

439
00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:15.400
<v Speaker 1>These specific theories really fast, because I know what one

440
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>of them is right off the bat, and that is

441
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 1>the limo stopping issue, right that's got to be it.

442
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 1>That's got to be one of them, because they claim

443
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.519
<v Speaker 1>that frames had to be removed. Now, I don't even

444
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:28.799
<v Speaker 1>want to address that one.

445
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Usually because it is illogical.

446
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, if you remove frames from a film like they claim, well,

447
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 1>they must have removed a bunch of frames. It speeds

448
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>up the film, It makes things go even faster, to

449
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 1>a degree that I think these people don't understand what

450
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.519
<v Speaker 1>happens if you were to do something like that. And

451
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 1>this idea that they have to force in this limo

452
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>stop is because of eyewitnesses. Now I realize why the

453
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 1>eyewitnesses are saying what they're saying. I understand it. And

454
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it does have to do with the malleable nature of memory.

455
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And I mean even the fact that Bill Newman was

456
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.759
<v Speaker 1>so close to the assassination, and for about twenty five years,

457
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the man stated that he thought Kennedy literally stood up

458
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>in his seat, okay.

459
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:19.400
<v Speaker 4>And.

460
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Zero was shot up, yeah, and that his ear was

461
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 2>shot yeah right, And you know this didn't happen.

462
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:31.319
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't realize that until he viewed the Zapruder

463
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 1>film in the nineteen eighties, which was kind of crazy.

464
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't seen it on Araldo's Show with You, He

465
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.519
<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen it previously. And he was still stating at

466
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>that time in the nineteen eighties. You know, over twenty

467
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>years later he stood up in his seat. Now, that's

468
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.519
<v Speaker 1>not what he saw, that's what he interpreted and there

469
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>was a problem. Other people did the same thing with

470
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.839
<v Speaker 1>this limo stop Bob and yeah.

471
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Things as you bring up an extremely important point at

472
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 3>this stage, and that is the car did not stop.

473
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 3>It didn't. This is a drawing of the entire motorcade,

474
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 3>well not most of it anyway. There's the President's car

475
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>right here, and people that are right behind it are

476
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 3>in line with it. The President's driver, Mill Greer, put

477
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 3>his foot on the brakes and slowed down. He was stopping,

478
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 3>but he didn't stop. And as he did that, people

479
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 3>from behind that were behind saw the lights come on,

480
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 3>and other the cars in the back actually did stop.

481
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 3>The car from the president did not. When they saw

482
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 3>the cars slowed down and their cars stop, and they

483
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.359
<v Speaker 3>had seen the brake lights come on in the President's car,

484
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 3>and they assumed that they all had stopped exactly.

485
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing about the assumption because memory, look,

486
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 1>information is constantly added to memory.

487
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 2>It's not a recording device.

488
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 1>So what happened is they saw these other cars stop

489
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and because of that, that gave them the idea that

490
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>they all stopped. Indeed, like you said, Greer hit his

491
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 1>and you can see in the film, by the way,

492
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 1>in the Suppruiter film, you can see that the light

493
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>comes on and he's tapping his break Okay.

494
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Now I've observed that I don't have the greatest vision.

495
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 1>But if you take a little bit of time and

496
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>study and look at the individual frames, a lot of

497
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 1>them provided by Bob Groden, outside of the fact that

498
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 1>again in the Warren Commission volumes they misprinted, they actually

499
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>put one out of order in there, and all this

500
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:45.759
<v Speaker 1>other stuff.

501
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.519
<v Speaker 2>But they give you black and whites there. I'm told,

502
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>even in.

503
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Those, you know, kind of bad black and white versions,

504
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you can see this break light. Okay, I know I

505
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>can see it in Bob Groden's version. I know I

506
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>can see it in many stills, and I have all

507
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the frames in various forms digitally. But the thing is,

508
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 1>this is what the problem is. He almost stops. He

509
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>does come to us slowing down because there's a bit

510
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:16.079
<v Speaker 1>of confusion, and other cars in the motorcade did indeed

511
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 1>come to a complete stop.

512
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 3>So some of the people who keep spreading this crap

513
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 3>about the Zubrutter film being faked, they have two or

514
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 3>three points of view that they bring up. One is

515
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 3>it so many people said that the car stopped this

516
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 3>is a lie. People said it was stop being only

517
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 3>two people said it actually stopped, and they were not

518
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 3>really in a position to really tell, so they held

519
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 3>all that. They bring up all the time. The film's

520
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 3>got to be fake because it doesn't show the car

521
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 3>is stopping. The Zipbrut film, the nixt film, the much

522
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>More film, the Bronze film, all of them show the

523
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 3>car during the moment of the headshot. All of this stuff.

524
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 3>The car never stops. And by the way, the people

525
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 3>who say the film is faked and they cut out sections,

526
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 3>they're saying it because it backs their theories. If the

527
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 3>car had stopped for the two minutes I'm sorry, two

528
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 3>seconds that they're saying, the thirty seven frames. If you

529
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 3>didn't out thirty seven frames, everybody who's in the proground,

530
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 3>in the background, whatever, within the car, if you stop

531
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>the car keeps moving, it would jump. The people would jump.

532
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 3>Because the film is eighteen frames per second. If you

533
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 3>cut out thirty seven frames, that's two seconds it would jump.

534
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:53.200
<v Speaker 3>People are moving around the people within the car. It's ridiculous.

535
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>A full second.

536
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Even if you're route one full second, Bob, you have

537
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>people that are going to reach up and scratch their neck.

538
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>You have people that are reaching into their pockets, people

539
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that are waving, and all of that stuff would jump

540
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 1>all over the place. And what is their answer, Well,

541
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>they took the crowd out separately and pasted it back in.

542
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my point about this is actually that the

543
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>further you go down that rabbit hole, the more elaborate

544
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the solution has to become. You have to remove the crowd,

545
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>paste it in separately. They say, Look, see the crowd

546
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even really move. They say, because it's been pasted

547
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 1>in artificially and all these different things. But it just

548
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make logical sense. You'd have to reconstruct this thing

549
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.559
<v Speaker 1>in hole in order to get that effect. It's not

550
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>a matter of removing frames. And indeed, if I were

551
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 1>trying to create a slowing effect or a stopping effect

552
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 1>for the car, I don't know, Bob, I would.

553
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Think you would want to add frames in.

554
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying some One of the points is that

555
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 3>they don't even tell you where they think it was done.

556
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 3>They say it was done, I can't find it. You

557
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 3>can see it if anywhere within the film.

558
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>So let's move on.

559
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 3>YEA. One other things that's saying the other major thing

560
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 3>you're saying is that they say the film was cut

561
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 3>because you can't see the prison's car come on to

562
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Elm Street from Houston up in this area right here,

563
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 3>right now. The thing is this Abraham's recruiter's camera like this.

564
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 3>It's a manually held camera. It's not like a video

565
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 3>thing whereby it's constantly going because it's battery operated. There's

566
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.839
<v Speaker 3>a Fruiter camera just like this. In order to run it,

567
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 3>you have to wind it up. You have to use

568
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 3>the crank here to wind it up. And as you

569
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 3>do that and you want a film, you hit the

570
00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 3>shutter release there you go, and then one down as

571
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 3>it winds down and they snorre. You can hear the

572
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.839
<v Speaker 3>difference as it slows down. So cruiter had been filming

573
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 3>for quite a bit before the person even got there.

574
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 3>So the camera either stopped or was stopping, and he

575
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 3>knew it, and he started to wind up. He took

576
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 3>it away from his eye and started whinding it while

577
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 3>it was down and he wasn't filming. That's when the

578
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 3>car made the turn onto Elm Street. He saw that

579
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 3>the car was there. Excuse me, They put it back

580
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.319
<v Speaker 3>up to the camera back up to his eye and

581
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 3>started filming again byself. If he'd have kept filming the

582
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 3>lead motorcycles and just had done the original beginning parts

583
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>of this, since he didn't know where the motorcade the

584
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 3>president's car was, he'd have missed the assassination completely.

585
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's that to consider, but it's also remember this

586
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>for the listener, not for you, Bob. You know this,

587
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.839
<v Speaker 1>but it's a spring that we're talking about. There's a

588
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>spring mechanism here. So there's a physical mechanism that winds

589
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 1>down and actually, you know, over time, a lot of

590
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 1>them become a bit inconsistent.

591
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Now that that.

592
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Particular camera maintained for a while, but eventually they become

593
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>a little inconsistent. So for the concern that it may

594
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.679
<v Speaker 1>wind down one and two, the film was not very long.

595
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 2>They didn't have an hour of tape here, you know,

596
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>an hour of film inside of Yeah, so there was

597
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>only a short amount.

598
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>So he was trying to make sure that he actually

599
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 1>captured again, not looking to capture the assassination because who

600
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 1>knew that was going to happen.

601
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 2>But again that's another argument people make. We're not going there.

602
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>But if you don't know the assassination's happening, but you

603
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>want to capture the president on film, He's not here yet.

604
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Let me wind it back up, make sure I'm ready,

605
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and here we go.

606
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>So he was waiting to make sure so that the

607
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>president would be in his field of vision, and when

608
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>he was, it starts again, which is why the president

609
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 1>suddenly appears in the film.

610
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Just that simple Okay, you're right, but yeah, go ahead,

611
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 2>continue on though, please.

612
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 3>There's a whole bunch of other things too, a lot

613
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.519
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff that Janet I have been working with

614
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 3>and Jene discovered all this chat is my wonderful wife.

615
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:32.559
<v Speaker 3>By the way, this is a way of showing. Eight

616
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 3>millimeter film is like this. When it's shot within a

617
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 3>camera such as the Bruders, it's actually sixteen millimeters wide.

618
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:46.039
<v Speaker 3>It's called double eight. You shoot one side, you turn

619
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>the film over and then you shoot the other side,

620
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 3>so it's sixteen millimeters. Why okay, why is this important?

621
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 3>Because if other named Adino Rugio only who worked for

622
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 3>n Pick, a national photographic interpretation company, he had to

623
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 3>when when they say when he said it brought the

624
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 3>original Zapruter film to him that night for analysis. He

625
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 3>had to go out and buy a eight millimeter projector

626
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 3>to show it is this important the Napruiter film itself,

627
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:37.519
<v Speaker 3>the original film, which was in fact double eighth. I

628
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 3>find it here. Well here it is coming out of

629
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 3>a camera that's really looks like it's sixteen millimeters wide

630
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 3>and gets slip when it's processed. Okay, right, Agel film

631
00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 3>itself would look like this, and it could not be

632
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.760
<v Speaker 3>this is it. This is actually from a copy of

633
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 3>this bird film that was made before the film was

634
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>slit right now, that is this whole movie stuff on

635
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 3>the side. This is the assassination right now.

636
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 1>This shows you Just to help you out with this,

637
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Bob here just for the listener's edification. Look, it's real simple.

638
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>It runs sixteen millimeters all together, but only exposes half

639
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>of that sixteen millimeters while that's being recorded. It goes

640
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>from one spool to another, and when that happens, it

641
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>runs all the way out. You take the now newly

642
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 1>filled spool and reverse position with the now empty spool

643
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>in the camera, which when you turn it over means

644
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>now you're going to expose the other half of the

645
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>sixteen millimeter film coming back through. Now, Bob just showed

646
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 1>you visually what that looks like. Okay, but just in

647
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 1>your mind think about this. So it is essentially way

648
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 1>to record over the same sixteen millimeters twice, but you're

649
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>only using half of the film half the first time,

650
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>flip it over half the second time. Therefore you have

651
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>one image kind of facing you know, in its proper

652
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 1>orientation upward, and then you have another image and its

653
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>other orientation facing downward. That is the way it would

654
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>look if it was an unslit copy. And this is

655
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 1>the way the film gets printed. They print it in

656
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.639
<v Speaker 1>sixteen millimeter form, and there it is. It's both of

657
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 1>them together, which you can run through, to my understanding,

658
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 1>you can run through certain projectors, but it looks terrible

659
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 1>because you have this confusing double sided thing going on.

660
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 1>But then what they do is they slit it in half,

661
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>leaving only one side of sprockets, and then you take

662
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 1>it and flip over the other piece and literally tape

663
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 1>it together, so that.

664
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Now you have doubled the length of the film.

665
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing to keep in mind here that Bob

666
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 1>just discot I'm trying to feel in a little more

667
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>because sometimes people get lost on these explanations.

668
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Bob I mean, it's a simple thing.

669
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I understand that. I'm trying to that. That's the first

670
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 3>half of the explanation. Why is it important Bruno, I'm sorry,

671
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 3>Dino Brgioni, who worked and did a lot of this stuff.

672
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Right after the assassination, he was brought a film. They

673
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 3>told him it was the original film. Well, the problem

674
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 3>is he didn't have an eight millimeter projector until the

675
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 3>film was slit. It was still sixteen no meters wide,

676
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 3>and there's absolutely no one in the world that you

677
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 3>get projected through like so there's no way you get

678
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 3>projected through an eight milimeter projectors. Too wide film wouldn't

679
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 3>fit into the projector. So he went out, he bought

680
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 3>a projector and he showed eight meter film. The big

681
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.400
<v Speaker 3>problem that the people who say the film was fake

682
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 3>have is a the fact that the original film sixteen

683
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:09.000
<v Speaker 3>millimeters wide, wasn't slit until the following week. So when

684
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 3>Brugi only said he was dealing with the original one,

685
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>he was only saying it because that's what they told

686
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 3>him it was. It could not have been. When the

687
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 3>film was in Dallas, Kodak processed another lad printed three

688
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:29.519
<v Speaker 3>copies of it. Those three copies were slit right away

689
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 3>that day. The original film was not. Brugi only could

690
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 3>not have projected the original film. So the issue that

691
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 3>the fakers, the faker of backers are pushing is that

692
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 3>since the film that Brugi only thought was the original

693
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 3>doesn't show the car making the turn or the car stopping,

694
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:03.639
<v Speaker 3>it had to be a fake. It wasn't. This is

695
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 3>very important to me because I took tremendous chance releasing

696
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 3>the film in the first place. If I hadn't done it,

697
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.679
<v Speaker 3>no one would have seen it. I was very fortunate

698
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 3>to be able to get away with doing it. The

699
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Live magazine in their first issue, their memorial edition like that,

700
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 3>they published black and white frames of superior films, selected frames.

701
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Where did those come from? From? The eight millimeter original

702
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 3>that had not yet been slit? And that was done

703
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 3>in Chicago, but again not till the following week. And

704
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.719
<v Speaker 3>this it became very technical and it's really involved with

705
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 3>if I ever do another book, and we go to

706
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 3>much more detail about this. But when I've written, I've

707
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 3>written eight books on the assassination. In those eight books,

708
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 3>no one had ever brought up the concept of the

709
00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 3>film being faked. Because it's ridiculous. It could not. Then

710
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 3>there are other issues too. An original film in the

711
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 3>camera is what they call be wind. Now, what the

712
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 3>b y means is that if you hold up the

713
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:20.679
<v Speaker 3>film and you see it, you're looking through the base

714
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 3>of the film because the emotion would be facing the

715
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 3>light source. Okay, so you're looking at it as be wind.

716
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.840
<v Speaker 3>There's a bruder film. Original is be wind. If you

717
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 3>make a copy of it, it goes emotion to emotion

718
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and then it becomes a why it reads backwards to

719
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.639
<v Speaker 3>the other side of the film. So there's lots of

720
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 3>reasons such as this that showed the film is legitimate

721
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 3>and when a lot of the issues too that that

722
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 3>they're saying, which I'm going into too much detail with,

723
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:01.039
<v Speaker 3>is that this is a prude film. This is from myka,

724
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 3>it's Christine, it's in beautiful shape. It's that's nice copy.

725
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 3>The defenders of the or or the feel that that

726
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 3>go after the film that attack it, they're dealing with

727
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 3>something that's absolute visual mud too. It's it's it's as blood,

728
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 3>if not worse than the so that the yeah that

729
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 3>the Garrison had it's not very clear and it's junk.

730
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 3>What they're saying, is that they see a hole hand

731
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 3>painted in in the baculum. Prison said, well, they're not.

732
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was the That was the next thing. I

733
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>was going to confront you with, Bob, and I want

734
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:48.800
<v Speaker 2>you to attack this.

735
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

736
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>They have this whole theory about the black spot on

737
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the back of the head where they say it's been

738
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>literally and it does look strange in some prints. I

739
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>got to be honest with you, it does look strange.

740
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 2>But do I think it's been faked?

741
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.519
<v Speaker 1>No, But I don't know how to explain why this

742
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>happened or you know that there's a lot of interesting

743
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 1>anomalies that come up, by the way.

744
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.719
<v Speaker 2>In film, especially in this process.

745
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of things that can occur with light,

746
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 1>with exposure, with the camera, with the lenses, et cetera,

747
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:30.039
<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

748
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 2>But it does look weird.

749
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>The back of JFK's head at a certain point looks

750
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>so solid that it does appear almost like somebody colored

751
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it in, And a lot of them point to that, Bob,

752
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>is there something easy you can give us to knock

753
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that down.

754
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.679
<v Speaker 3>Yes, my Mark, Jenet and I weren't in the museum

755
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.119
<v Speaker 3>in Indiana, and they had a piece of hard work.

756
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 3>That's what it looked like. I'm I'm going to look

757
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 3>at this. This a damn. This is the area that

758
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.159
<v Speaker 3>would be considered the prison's hair on a Zibruter film.

759
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 3>And this is the hole in the back of his head.

760
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:16.480
<v Speaker 3>If you do Densitomoy readings on this as opposed to this,

761
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be different. That's what you would expect.

762
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Mention when you see, right, that's the answer. Now you

763
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:34.320
<v Speaker 3>have JFK absolute proof there. Yes, there are specific frames

764
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 3>of the Zaprui film Fames three thirty five and three

765
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 3>thirty seven, the two clear frames, the only clear frames

766
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 3>on the back of the prisident's head after the headshut. Okay,

767
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 3>this is a blow up of frame three thirty seven.

768
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Missus Kennedy is looking right at the exitum of the

769
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Act of the President said in three five and three

770
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>thirty seven. The uh that is in profile and you

771
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 3>see the evlsteria that was described by all the doctors.

772
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Now one thing I'm watching to be pleased be aware of.

773
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I know you are, but anyone who's watching they should know.

774
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that Oswald acted alone. I'm saying it

775
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 3>was a conspiracy. Oswald, based on the evidence, had nothing

776
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 3>to do with it. I'm on the same side as

777
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 3>the people who are saying the film is big fakes,

778
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 3>but they're doing it wrong, and they're taking the evidence

779
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 3>that proves that we're right and just ignoring it. And

780
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:52.440
<v Speaker 3>that's absolutely dangerous. It's thing with this, I just get

781
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 3>away with it.

782
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing. They're literally undermining one of the

783
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.719
<v Speaker 2>most important pieces. And we can draw a lot.

784
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you see a good copy of this,

785
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and I don't mean you, Bob, because you've seen the

786
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>best versions of this film.

787
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.679
<v Speaker 2>But the truth is, if you see this very.

788
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Closely, carefully and you're able to view it in its

789
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>best form, I can literally see blood splash on Jackie

790
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's face.

791
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>I can see her react and flinch to it.

792
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and this is not the best possible filming that

793
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 1>was done, But when you look at the best possible

794
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>copy of this, you can see a lot of details,

795
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 1>the reflections of things in the hood of not the

796
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>hood in the body, in the paint of the car.

797
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>You can see things on the rear trunk of the

798
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>car that are reflections. Okay, there's a lot of detail

799
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that can be seen if you see a good copy of.

800
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 3>This Jackie Jackie climbs out on the trunk of a

801
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 3>car and piece of a piece of the skull, right,

802
00:47:52.920 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>you can really see and once again, you know, copies

803
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 3>that I have are made directly from the original and

804
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 3>they're flawless, just flaws. The stuff that they're looking at

805
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 3>is like multi generation exactly. There's a technique call they

806
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 3>call it four K, which means it deals with the

807
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:22.880
<v Speaker 3>amount of resolution within a frame. They got a garbage

808
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 3>copy of the film, and they had a four K

809
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 3>copy of garbage and that's what they're dealing with, and

810
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:40.360
<v Speaker 3>it's it's ridiculous. I have when we spoke before about

811
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 3>my my d d ds, before we started doing all this.

812
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 3>These are two DVDs which I have. This one is

813
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 3>a full documentary on the Kennedy case. It has the

814
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 3>highlights of all the films, has explusive interviews from the

815
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Dallas doctors and things of that nature. This one has

816
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 3>intact versions of all the films and the assassinations. In fact,

817
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 3>the total of one hundred and twenty two between the

818
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 3>Moti Kaid and the assassination and the investigation. These are

819
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 3>cooler copies than anyone else's got, and they're available and tremendous.

820
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Let me say something about that. Before you're done talking

821
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.079
<v Speaker 1>about that they are available. I want you to tell

822
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 1>people where to get them, but I'm going to tell

823
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 1>people why to get them.

824
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing.

825
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not just that the headshot and the events of

826
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the murder are memorialized in the Subruder film. You can

827
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>see this in the Knicks film. You can see this

828
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 1>in the much More film. And now there's also a

829
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 1>couple of others in there that people often do not mention.

830
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 1>The Bell film, for instance, shows the headshot. A lot

831
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of people never mentioned that, and I know why. Look,

832
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.199
<v Speaker 1>it's very very hard, even with you enhancing the Bell film,

833
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 1>it's very hard hard to make out things on it

834
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 1>because of the way he shot the film. And there's

835
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>yet another film on there that that shows the headshot.

836
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>And which one is that?

837
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Bob, Well, the next film shows it, right, Nix much

838
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.880
<v Speaker 3>More Side of the Street.

839
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, yeah, no problem at all. I'll just continue

840
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:24.480
<v Speaker 2>on with what I was saying.

841
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Know what happened with my my my my phone went

842
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 3>off of my year m sorry, oh no, no problem. You. Okay,

843
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.840
<v Speaker 3>all right, there's a lot of the next film. We'll

844
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.960
<v Speaker 3>talk about that too, But well, there's a lot of

845
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 3>things that showed the supporter film is genuine. Right, they're

846
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.920
<v Speaker 3>saying that that it's been fake. And the reason why

847
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 3>the uh, the reason why the uh, the film had

848
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.920
<v Speaker 3>to be spliced at the point where the where they

849
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 3>can't begin after the turn. Well, there is something that

850
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 3>happens in film that doesn't happen in videotape. That's called

851
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 3>flash frame. You had mentioned before that there's a spring

852
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 3>tension on the Zubruiter camera when you start filming. It

853
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.519
<v Speaker 3>takes a fraction of a second to get up to

854
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 3>running speed. So the first frame is given more light

855
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and it includes it's called a flash frame. This is

856
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 3>a section of the A side and A side of

857
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 3>the Zapruter film. This is the regular exposure. This is

858
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 3>the first frame. You see how much brighter it is.

859
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's because it actually travels through the gate slightly slower,

860
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Speaker 1>therefore has a greater amount of exposure to light.

861
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

862
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 3>There you go. So the point of the matter is

863
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 3>that same type of flash frame occurs at the first

864
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.400
<v Speaker 3>frame when the car comes into view. There's just one

865
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.840
<v Speaker 3>more piece of evidence that's genuine, it's legitimate. There is

866
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 3>when you see the Zuppruter film the way I presented

867
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:22.639
<v Speaker 3>within the book, you're getting to see more detail.

868
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's more detail.

869
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 3>And right, Ray, Ray Ray, let me call you. I'm

870
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 3>doing a radio show.

871
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Right now live. This is what happens when we record live, folks.

872
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll go right back a little while, Okay, I thank you,

873
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:47.920
<v Speaker 3>thank you, all right.

874
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>No problem, Bob, go ahead, continue. Sorry, I forget where

875
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I even was.

876
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, you were explaining after the flash frame, right that

877
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that's present, and then you were going to explain something

878
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.360
<v Speaker 1>else after that. The legitimacy passed the flash frame, which

879
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>is shown right after the turn, which reveals to you

880
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.760
<v Speaker 1>that this was obviously the start of the film once

881
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:11.800
<v Speaker 1>again with the spring and.

882
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:12.199
<v Speaker 2>All of that.

883
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.760
<v Speaker 3>So you would not have the flash frame if in

884
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 3>fact it had been edited to duplicate with it Veray

885
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 3>cut out there. The flash frame is the key. Most

886
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 3>people don't even know the flash frames even exist. But

887
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 3>I've been in the emotion picture industry doing this kind

888
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 3>of stuff for thirty five forty years now, and I

889
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 3>know what to look for. The point of the matter

890
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 3>is that I can't explain the emotional reasons why people

891
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 3>really have to attack the film. There's only actually about

892
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 3>a half a dozen of them. But we've we've got

893
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:55.159
<v Speaker 3>one one character who's assisting the film is faked, who

894
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 3>says he knows it's faked because you only see one

895
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 3>Secret Service agent jump on the back of the car

896
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.320
<v Speaker 3>on the truck. There only was one right u Hill.

897
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 3>This guy for some reason believes that there were two

898
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 3>of them back there, and they edited it out to

899
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.320
<v Speaker 3>cut the other off the truck of the car. Why

900
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 3>only Heaven knows. If you're going to fake the film,

901
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and you can see this very clearly in the book,

902
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:26.239
<v Speaker 3>you're going to cut out any part of the film

903
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 3>that challenges the official fiction. If you're even do it,

904
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:35.519
<v Speaker 3>you're going to cut out the frames that show the

905
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 3>back of the head. At three thirty five and three

906
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.199
<v Speaker 3>thirty seven, the doctors all said that the head wound

907
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 3>in the back of the prison, said was a lost

908
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 3>outwards who was just the skull was out. They part

909
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 3>it looked like a volcano. You see that and the

910
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Zapruda film, they would have cut those things out. They

911
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.639
<v Speaker 3>cut out the fact that the president was thrown to

912
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 3>the rear when he was hitting the head, showing that

913
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.280
<v Speaker 3>the shot came from the front. They don't. It's right there,

914
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.000
<v Speaker 3>all right. Why would we leave that in? It cuts

915
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 3>something else out. You can ask the defenders of the

916
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 3>film if they know what they're doing I'm talking about,

917
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.000
<v Speaker 3>they'll back it all the way. For the people who

918
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.119
<v Speaker 3>attack it, the one question you can ask is Quibono,

919
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.519
<v Speaker 3>who profits? Won't do it? There's no value to it.

920
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>The only Devil's Advocate issue I can give you, and

921
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I can give it to you and then knock it

922
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.280
<v Speaker 1>right down, Bob without a problem is that some people

923
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 1>might say it was specifically done to add confusion, to

924
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:47.079
<v Speaker 1>make sure that okay, you don't have the official story,

925
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 1>but also the real story of the conspiracy is hidden

926
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>this way too, and therefore you have a document which

927
00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 1>does not support any story properly. And then I say, well, look,

928
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of problems here, and one of them

929
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>is you'd also have to fake a polaroid.

930
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>That kind of goes along with.

931
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.719
<v Speaker 1>It, because you know, there was this lady there that

932
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.280
<v Speaker 1>was using a polaroid camera, and I got to tell you,

933
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 1>polaroids are probably the last thing that anybody who works

934
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.920
<v Speaker 1>with photographs ever wants to work with photographically because they're horrible.

935
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, you literally have chemical spray all over the

936
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 1>damn thing. I mean, they're nice for what their purpose was,

937
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the time that they were popular and

938
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.079
<v Speaker 1>all that, for home use.

939
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.719
<v Speaker 2>But to try and do something with that, to try

940
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and alter it, oh my goodness.

941
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't even want to think about the

942
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of project it would take to alter that.

943
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm talking about Mary Mormon's photo. Those are polaroids originally.

944
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 3>So Mary and Mormon is a very close friend of

945
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:54.039
<v Speaker 3>both of us, of Jan and myself, and I've had

946
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 3>in my hands when I worked for the ass Assassin's

947
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.679
<v Speaker 3>Committee two of the three pictures she took on Elm Street.

948
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.280
<v Speaker 3>The third one was given to a police officer who

949
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:10.079
<v Speaker 3>destroyed it and it showed a six foot window with

950
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:16.320
<v Speaker 3>nobody in it. Okay, anyway, I have a copy in

951
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:21.000
<v Speaker 3>the book that shows Mary Mormon's picture taken from a

952
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.440
<v Speaker 3>first day copy negative done at Channel FAA, the Channel

953
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:32.320
<v Speaker 3>TV channel in Dallas, and it shows very clearly the

954
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 3>home on the back of the head that the people,

955
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 3>the people who were attacking the film just ignore right.

956
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that to me is the key, because you

957
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 2>would again have to work with that. Okay, look, if.

958
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 1>You take a look at what's out there on the internet,

959
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:54.119
<v Speaker 1>sure it's inconclusive, but that's because of the nature.

960
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Of the copy of being a copy, being a copy

961
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 2>being a.

962
00:57:56.199 --> 00:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Copy, and then the digital process which makes them of

963
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.800
<v Speaker 1>it even further. So you can't use that all right, Fine,

964
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 1>what about the other films that corroborate the Zapruder film.

965
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Some of these guys even get into an explanation where

966
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 1>those have been altered too, and that is just the

967
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:17.039
<v Speaker 1>level of insanity. I can't match up. So let's knock

968
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>it all down. You can't possibly have accomplished this, in

969
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 1>my mind, as fast as they did broadcast the much

970
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:29.960
<v Speaker 1>More film shortly after the assassination. That was broadcast. Okay,

971
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.960
<v Speaker 1>that was one of the few things that actually made

972
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 1>it to broadcast, So that went out there. We know

973
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.239
<v Speaker 1>it's been memorialized. Come on, now, they made the much

974
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>More film match up to this right away. I thought

975
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 1>it took all the way through the weekend with all

976
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 1>these stories to get it all done, right, So you've

977
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.039
<v Speaker 1>got a problem here. Anyway, The point is. I mean,

978
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.679
<v Speaker 1>I think those are the key points that people go to.

979
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, what you don't believe the CIA.

980
00:58:57.880 --> 00:58:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Would do this?

981
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I do. Could they have do we have evidence?

982
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.840
<v Speaker 3>You know? But they did?

983
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Right.

984
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I just realized what I was talking about before on

985
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 3>the phone running this particular it's called screwball. The person

986
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.559
<v Speaker 3>who attacks the film okay, uh says he can tell

987
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 3>his face because the cigaret service guard Roy Killiman, is

988
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:34.320
<v Speaker 3>sitting next to the driver. He jumps out of the car,

989
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.360
<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't show it. He sit in the car

990
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.679
<v Speaker 3>all the way to the hospital. He never left. This

991
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.880
<v Speaker 3>guy comes up with stuff out of his you know what. Yeah,

992
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.519
<v Speaker 3>and Uh not only can get into names any of

993
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 3>these people, because it's just crazy. Some of these people

994
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:57.239
<v Speaker 3>believe the garbage that they're saying. Other people know that

995
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:01.840
<v Speaker 3>they're lying. It's hard to tell sometimes which is which.

996
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 3>But some people have pretty good credentials in other areas.

997
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 3>But do you know what the f stop is?

998
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I would love for you to explain it best. I

999
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 1>read about it, and you know, I have a basic idea,

1000
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.239
<v Speaker 1>but I would love for you to explain it because

1001
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 1>you bring it up on almost every interview.

1002
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

1003
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 1>You always say, you know, they don't know an F

1004
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 1>stop from a bus stop. That's one of your favorite phrases.

1005
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.400
<v Speaker 3>But just grab my line.

1006
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I grabbed your line. But can you explain it to

1007
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:32.719
<v Speaker 2>people though, because I have had that question, ask to

1008
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:34.360
<v Speaker 2>me what is in F stop?

1009
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:36.760
<v Speaker 3>So please let me explain to you that a friend

1010
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.559
<v Speaker 3>of mine said, nobody knows photography. I only know it

1011
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 3>was video table blah. But so the F stop is

1012
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:50.000
<v Speaker 3>the size of the aperture that allows more or less

1013
01:00:50.679 --> 01:01:00.199
<v Speaker 3>light in to the raw stock or unexposed negative. You

1014
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:03.000
<v Speaker 3>mentioned it. I'll mention myself too. The people who are

1015
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.480
<v Speaker 3>attacking this's a Bruta film don't know and have stopped

1016
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:12.719
<v Speaker 3>from a bus stop. And it's absolutely absolutely key to

1017
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.159
<v Speaker 3>know that. People have claimed that they all I've been

1018
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.880
<v Speaker 3>in the film business for twenty years doing what working

1019
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 3>in the office, filling out paperwork. You know, they don't

1020
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.159
<v Speaker 3>know the techniques, They don't know what to look for.

1021
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:33.719
<v Speaker 3>One thing that I nearly forgot to mention is in

1022
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 3>there's a Bruder film, there's a Bruti film itself. The

1023
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.920
<v Speaker 3>camera original has information in the picture area and on

1024
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:45.840
<v Speaker 3>the left hand side it's got pictures between this rocket holes, yes,

1025
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.039
<v Speaker 3>which are not within the so called regular picture area.

1026
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.840
<v Speaker 3>The original film has that information between this rocket holes.

1027
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 3>All the jubigates do not. The one that grew Brunoni

1028
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:03.320
<v Speaker 3>and Brugioni and the others have dealt with did not

1029
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:08.719
<v Speaker 3>have the information between the projects right, and therefore they

1030
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:13.039
<v Speaker 3>were not working with the original film. There's there's that simple.

1031
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Right now.

1032
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Just to explain this again to somebody who might not

1033
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.239
<v Speaker 1>understand the sprocketal, what happens here is that there is

1034
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:27.960
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a an imperfection here where light is

1035
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.559
<v Speaker 1>being exposed onto a part of the film that's not

1036
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.960
<v Speaker 1>meant to capture image. It's there to be you know

1037
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 1>what it is the sprockets, right, The crockets are supposed

1038
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to grab it and carry it through the projector or

1039
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 1>carry it through the camera as it's being run through.

1040
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.400
<v Speaker 1>And that's not an area that's meant to capture image.

1041
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is it's a little bit of skew somehow.

1042
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:55.639
<v Speaker 2>And therefore it's getting exposed that's not supposed to happen.

1043
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 2>And you'll find variations in this because people have taken

1044
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 2>other versions like they they've taken basically Suppruters camera, but

1045
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.559
<v Speaker 2>not Supruters camera one just like it, and you'll get

1046
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:09.960
<v Speaker 2>different exposures in those Sprocket holes, sometimes right where it

1047
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go all the way over, it goes only a

1048
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:14.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit over, or not at all, and things like that.

1049
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:19.440
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, these these are the Sprocket holes I'm waiting too, right,

1050
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.000
<v Speaker 3>those are the things. There's a clause that goes to

1051
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.280
<v Speaker 3>the camera and then to the projector that stabilizes and

1052
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 3>holds the film in the right position that's on the

1053
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.599
<v Speaker 3>original on Subruters camera. Doesn't happen in all cameras, but

1054
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:38.519
<v Speaker 3>happened on is when it's actually image being captured on

1055
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:43.880
<v Speaker 3>the film between there, right and again, I have to

1056
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 3>waste so much time dealing with why we know the

1057
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.280
<v Speaker 3>film is real and why it's not, and why it's

1058
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:54.599
<v Speaker 3>important is because it shows what actually did happen and

1059
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 3>what they're trying to say. People who attack the film

1060
01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.599
<v Speaker 3>say it doesn't show it actually happened. It shows on

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01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 3>the thing right, as you mentioned before, if they were

1062
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:06.400
<v Speaker 3>to cut out the two seconds that they're talking about,

1063
01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.559
<v Speaker 3>everybody in the car would jump from point A to

1064
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:12.400
<v Speaker 3>point B right as the president would be going from

1065
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 3>this to this in one frame instead of a series

1066
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:17.840
<v Speaker 3>of frames.

1067
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Exactly when you remove frames in between, you know, movements,

1068
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:28.239
<v Speaker 1>you're going to have what appears to be super fast movements.

1069
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 1>You know that used to be something they did as

1070
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a special effect in a very basic way for films

1071
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.599
<v Speaker 1>where you were creating an image where somebody you know moved,

1072
01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 1>they were able to run, you know, twenty feet in

1073
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 1>less than a second.

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01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:42.559
<v Speaker 2>How could you do that?

1075
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:44.880
<v Speaker 1>You could remove a bunch of frames and in less

1076
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.679
<v Speaker 1>than a second they are twenty feet in another direction.

1077
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.000
<v Speaker 2>No problem. That's the type of effect you would get

1078
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Speaker 2>by removing frames.

1079
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:56.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's what you have to remember here. I mean,

1080
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm really explaining this in the layman's way, best way.

1081
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I know that you know all the technical things and

1082
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.159
<v Speaker 1>you actually understand film, which again is a whole different

1083
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 1>thing from what we see in video and digital.

1084
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Versions, et cetera.

1085
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.599
<v Speaker 1>So absolutely right, all of this having been said, Bob,

1086
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is this does this cover the main keys you think

1087
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.679
<v Speaker 1>for what people should know regarding this Zebruder film fakery idea?

1088
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Or is there one more thing?

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01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Or should we be looking to you in Dallas for

1090
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 1>a presentation, because my understanding is this might come up

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01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 1>during your presentation in Dallas.

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01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.639
<v Speaker 3>Will you know again you bring that up, That's an

1093
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.239
<v Speaker 3>important point. Two. There are a whole bunch of other

1094
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 3>issues that we can be spending time dealing with, and

1095
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.400
<v Speaker 3>we don't get to even talk about those who have

1096
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 3>to spend so much time dealing with this craziness that

1097
01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:58.320
<v Speaker 3>comes up on in the minds of people that really

1098
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:02.239
<v Speaker 3>don't know what they're talking about exactly. That all these

1099
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 3>people are already they have taken technical issues that they're

1100
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.079
<v Speaker 3>they're familiar with in other areas that don't deal with

1101
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:17.000
<v Speaker 3>the mechanics of the film. There's a brutor film is,

1102
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 3>which is that absolutely, there's no question about it. You

1103
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:25.960
<v Speaker 3>couldn't fake it. Do what you did. There's a there's

1104
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.639
<v Speaker 3>an issue called jump cut, which is if you had

1105
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:33.639
<v Speaker 3>this guy here and somebody else over there that looked

1106
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:37.239
<v Speaker 3>like him, you could eliminate the frames in between and

1107
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 3>spice one to the other and get a jump cut.

1108
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.000
<v Speaker 3>That does not occur in the film at all. There's

1109
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 3>nobody like that. There aren't that many people on the

1110
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 3>far side of the street. One of the researchers who

1111
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.320
<v Speaker 3>came up with the idea of the film is faked

1112
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:56.599
<v Speaker 3>shows that all the people standing in the crowd on

1113
01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 3>the north side of Elm Street are all cardboard cutouts.

1114
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 3>Really one of the people who are really there? Where

1115
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:11.239
<v Speaker 3>are they again? The Supreme film, the Knicks film, the

1116
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.880
<v Speaker 3>much More film, and the Bronson film. We have those four.

1117
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:19.559
<v Speaker 3>The fifth one of the Oliver film, who was taken

1118
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:22.760
<v Speaker 3>by the FBI, We've never seen it. I've released all

1119
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.920
<v Speaker 3>the others. I've released one hundred and twenty two films

1120
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.840
<v Speaker 3>of the assassination, the motorcade and follow up the investigation.

1121
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 3>I even released shouldn't get into this, but I'm even

1122
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:43.360
<v Speaker 3>released in absolute proof the autopsy photographs of the President,

1123
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 3>which are not yet released officially won't be these is

1124
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:51.679
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be released in twenty thirty nine. How we

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01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:53.599
<v Speaker 3>don't think there were be released even then.

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01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good good luck on that.

1127
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 1>As we watched the cane kicked down the road. Even

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01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.239
<v Speaker 1>with the assassination records review board, I am not holding

1129
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:04.440
<v Speaker 1>my breath for that release date. I wanted to just

1130
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.559
<v Speaker 1>touch on one other thing, you know, I'd love to

1131
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:08.840
<v Speaker 1>spend time talking about a lot of things with you,

1132
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Bob that we did not touch upon tonight.

1133
01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:13.599
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just going to bring up one of them, which.

1134
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Is a great feature and Absolute Proof there was a

1135
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.800
<v Speaker 1>role of film apparently taken where we now for the

1136
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.760
<v Speaker 1>first time see some images that had never been seen

1137
01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 1>by anyone before as far as I know, of a

1138
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:30.840
<v Speaker 1>surgical theater and someone being operated.

1139
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.439
<v Speaker 2>On in that book. And you got it off of

1140
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:37.439
<v Speaker 2>a role of film that had not been developed for many,

1141
01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:38.600
<v Speaker 2>many years.

1142
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.439
<v Speaker 1>And indeed you had a hard time even pulling images

1143
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.039
<v Speaker 1>out in the first place.

1144
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.439
<v Speaker 2>But you've actually created a set of.

1145
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:50.399
<v Speaker 1>Images in this book that I would love to spend

1146
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a full show discussing with you what is it we

1147
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:56.880
<v Speaker 1>see in here? What's going on? Maybe you could get

1148
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.199
<v Speaker 1>people a hint. And another good reason why this it's

1149
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.439
<v Speaker 1>an expensive book. But it's expensive because it's very expensive

1150
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:09.119
<v Speaker 1>to print high quality copies of photographs, my friends, And

1151
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.159
<v Speaker 1>that's what you have is high quality photographs throughout this book.

1152
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:16.439
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Bob will tell you how many. And

1153
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.039
<v Speaker 1>of course he's got the other two big books which

1154
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 1>released plenty of photos before this. But this is one

1155
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:25.119
<v Speaker 1>of the very unique things in the book, Absolute Proof.

1156
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Would you mind just telling people what that is or

1157
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:28.439
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about it?

1158
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.279
<v Speaker 3>The killia of President and the search for le Harvey

1159
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Oswald and before that kind of trees and then the

1160
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 3>k I've written eight books on the case. Absolute Proof

1161
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:47.039
<v Speaker 3>is the only one that's still really available. I was

1162
01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:53.199
<v Speaker 3>the first non authorized person initially to see this approver.

1163
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:58.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. The ontopsy photographs I've seen and handheld the

1164
01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:02.399
<v Speaker 3>originals in the National Art gives the originally one hundred

1165
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.079
<v Speaker 3>and fifty two pictures. There's only fifteen of them left.

1166
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I published them all in the book. There's one photograph

1167
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.279
<v Speaker 3>that's not supposed to exist. I think this is what

1168
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:20.359
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about. It's a black and white. The size

1169
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:25.680
<v Speaker 3>of film is called one's one piece of film, and

1170
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:30.039
<v Speaker 3>there's a series of images on that. They're all pretty

1171
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:33.439
<v Speaker 3>much the same image, but they start under exposed, instead

1172
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 3>of getting brighter and brighter, to get worse and worse

1173
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:41.840
<v Speaker 3>until you can't even see anything. There is not any

1174
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:49.239
<v Speaker 3>inventory in the archives or in the warr commissioner anything

1175
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:53.720
<v Speaker 3>like that that explains these pictures. They show the president

1176
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.279
<v Speaker 3>from about mid thigh up to over the top of

1177
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.319
<v Speaker 3>his head, and we're looking at him from the left side,

1178
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.439
<v Speaker 3>and he's lying on the table. This is supposed to

1179
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:13.760
<v Speaker 3>be something which doesn't even get explained. There are a

1180
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.960
<v Speaker 3>lot of pictures that are missing, but this is the

1181
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:19.039
<v Speaker 3>only thing that's not supposed to exist, which does I

1182
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.960
<v Speaker 3>have no way of explaining how or why. But I

1183
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:28.760
<v Speaker 3>publish all the pictures that I could, including the autopsy pictures.

1184
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:31.960
<v Speaker 3>I felt it was important to see it because when

1185
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:38.000
<v Speaker 3>you see the condition of the prisons said and compare

1186
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:42.279
<v Speaker 3>it to what the government said, completely different.

1187
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

1188
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Two situations, one for the Warring Commission, one for the

1189
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:54.840
<v Speaker 3>House Assassinations Committee, where they had artists drough the drawings

1190
01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.520
<v Speaker 3>of the presidents. The first was done for the Warring

1191
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:03.279
<v Speaker 3>Commission by Philliam Skipper Roberg, and mister Roberg was not

1192
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 3>allowed to see the prison's body, was not allowed to

1193
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.840
<v Speaker 3>see the autopsy photographs. They just told one to put there.

1194
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:16.199
<v Speaker 3>The second was for the House Assassinations too many. They

1195
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:20.119
<v Speaker 3>hired an artist. Her name was I to docs Maloney,

1196
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:27.640
<v Speaker 3>the official name she uses professionals justide docks. Janet came

1197
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:34.560
<v Speaker 3>across a saying she she she left something uh in

1198
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:39.880
<v Speaker 3>a report tweety. When she was asked about the drawings,

1199
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:43.720
<v Speaker 3>she said that she made the drawings to illustrate the

1200
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:48.640
<v Speaker 3>conclusions of the medical panel, not what they actually showed.

1201
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:52.119
<v Speaker 3>You need to repeat that. Yeah, but I can't do

1202
01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:53.880
<v Speaker 3>it as well as you just did. Did we able

1203
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:54.840
<v Speaker 3>to hear that, chuck?

1204
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I heard it. Yes, absolutely, the conclusions of

1205
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the medical panel not frustrated. Yeah, that's what was illustrated.

1206
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, she did what they told her to do. And

1207
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.600
<v Speaker 3>there was another thing too, during one of the meetings

1208
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:14.039
<v Speaker 3>that was going on, where Michael Boden, who was the

1209
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:18.199
<v Speaker 3>head of the medical panel, said to her, Ida, you

1210
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:22.039
<v Speaker 3>can do better than this. You didn't like the fact.

1211
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Now in my book, which you've seen, showing the pictures

1212
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:32.479
<v Speaker 3>of the back of the prison's body, right, there are

1213
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:37.960
<v Speaker 3>two holes in his back. The House committee never once

1214
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:42.439
<v Speaker 3>mentioned that, but sure to hear.

1215
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Well.

1216
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:46.359
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because in the docs images, what we have

1217
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.520
<v Speaker 1>here is a bunch of missing information. It does look

1218
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.439
<v Speaker 1>to me like she must have seen the photos, but

1219
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:56.000
<v Speaker 1>clearly she left out tons of information. And the funny

1220
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.399
<v Speaker 1>part to me is that these people, some of them

1221
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.760
<v Speaker 1>claim to be you know, photographic acts words, don't realize

1222
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.439
<v Speaker 1>that they're looking at a drawing at number one and

1223
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.760
<v Speaker 1>number two make statements like look at how much more

1224
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:10.239
<v Speaker 1>cleaned up he is in these in these images, and

1225
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it's very funny. It's not just cleaned up, it's literally

1226
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.119
<v Speaker 1>redacted by her drawing. But you're showing us something different

1227
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:17.479
<v Speaker 1>in the back. And then I have something else to

1228
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:17.800
<v Speaker 1>show you.

1229
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:22.640
<v Speaker 3>But go ahead. This is the president his back right.

1230
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.479
<v Speaker 3>The Warrick Commission said that the entrance hole of the

1231
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.880
<v Speaker 3>bullet was in the back of the President's neck. Who

1232
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 3>pushed this, Gerald Ford? Yes, but he did it to

1233
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.880
<v Speaker 3>clarify the image. There is no hole in the back

1234
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:42.760
<v Speaker 3>of the president's neck, none at all. There are two

1235
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:46.159
<v Speaker 3>holes in his back, the entrance wound from the depository

1236
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.000
<v Speaker 3>or somewhere from behind, and the ais of wound from

1237
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.880
<v Speaker 3>the throat wound, right next to each other. This one here,

1238
01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:55.720
<v Speaker 3>the larger of them, which is too large to be

1239
01:14:55.800 --> 01:15:02.039
<v Speaker 3>a carcano bullet hole it the front and his bank

1240
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 3>just below that is the engine would with a uh oh,

1241
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:12.600
<v Speaker 3>hey what they call it a abrasion collar. That's it,

1242
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 3>thank you, you can rememh And they spoke for me,

1243
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:18.880
<v Speaker 3>no problem, I'll help you.

1244
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1245
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:26.079
<v Speaker 3>The second one, what the House Committee did is that

1246
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:30.960
<v Speaker 3>EI dogs draw the bank, eliminating the engine would but

1247
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:33.479
<v Speaker 3>showing the agent would name calling it the entrance.

1248
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Woold right, yeah, no, it was amazing what was done there.

1249
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh And and the thing is, look, I've had I

1250
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.000
<v Speaker 1>had a decent copy, and I wish I still had them,

1251
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.279
<v Speaker 1>But I lost my copy of the what I would

1252
01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 1>call the fox set, which which was made from a

1253
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:52.640
<v Speaker 1>very good copy at the time. I could see a

1254
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:55.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of detail in those that I've never seen anywhere.

1255
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:57.239
<v Speaker 1>At no offense to you, even Bob, but even in

1256
01:15:57.319 --> 01:15:59.880
<v Speaker 1>your book, I had a very good copy that was

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<v Speaker 1>better than even what I see in your book at

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<v Speaker 1>one time, because it was allegedly made from there was

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01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a contact a negative made at one point, and mine

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01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:13.640
<v Speaker 1>was made from that negative. Initially, you know, when those

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01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.600
<v Speaker 1>photos started to circulate, they were just photos, and then

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01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 1>someone created a negative. Well, that negative supposedly generated my copy,

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01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 1>and I had eight x tens and I was very

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01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.800
<v Speaker 1>proud of that copy, but my ex wife didn't allow

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01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:28.199
<v Speaker 1>me to keep them anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a lot of detail in those photos.

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01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:32.279
<v Speaker 2>What's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I would love to have if there's some way,

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01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I don't know what it would cost

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01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you or whatever, but if there's a way I could

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<v Speaker 1>acquire another set of those, Believe me, I'd love to

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01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:44.159
<v Speaker 1>have them.

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<v Speaker 3>Fox pictures were taken and they were black and white, yes,

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01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.479
<v Speaker 3>and they were taken by an FBI agent named Fox,

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01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:56.800
<v Speaker 3>and that's where they came from. White and white, mind

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01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:57.279
<v Speaker 3>and color.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.680
<v Speaker 1>But my but my set, Yeah, my set still contained

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01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:05.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of information though about I loved that set. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to show you what it was I was

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01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:09.000
<v Speaker 1>going to ask you about, which wasn't that photo. But

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01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:15.079
<v Speaker 1>these images you see where we have doctors in Yes,

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01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you see what I'm talking about now. And I'm probably

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01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a little out of focus here, but I assure you, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get the book, this is one of the

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01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:25.720
<v Speaker 1>things that right there is why you need to get

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<v Speaker 1>this book.

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01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:28.399
<v Speaker 2>This is just two of the pages.

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<v Speaker 1>There's multiple pages of this, and there's doctors appearing to

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01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you get ready for surgery here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, indeed, those pictures were taken of Lee Harvey Oswald

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01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:42.920
<v Speaker 3>on the operating table when they're trying to save his life.

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<v Speaker 3>This is after he shot, before he died. The last

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01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:51.560
<v Speaker 3>pictures of him in life are taken their life of

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01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:54.520
<v Speaker 3>him being alive, right, and the first shots of them

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01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:58.359
<v Speaker 3>when he died. And the thing that nobody even knew

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01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:03.439
<v Speaker 3>they even existed, and I came across them some years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>The films had not even been processed yet, they hadn't

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01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:11.000
<v Speaker 3>even been developed. I took them to the only place

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<v Speaker 3>in the world it's still processed that type of film,

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<v Speaker 3>and we gone processed. And the thing is they were damaged.

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<v Speaker 3>It's was like more than a dozen years after they

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01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 3>were taken, and they had been heat damaged, water damage, whatever.

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01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:33.800
<v Speaker 3>And when we processed them, there was no image at

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01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:38.319
<v Speaker 3>all on the burnt y nothing. I came up with

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01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:44.399
<v Speaker 3>an idea of using a food called Farmer's reducer, which

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01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:46.880
<v Speaker 3>ruminates to what they call a dmax or the really

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01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:50.920
<v Speaker 3>dark blacks of the pictures. We put onto a computer

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01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:57.439
<v Speaker 3>generated processing machine and brought out eighty nine pictures, the

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01:18:57.520 --> 01:18:59.720
<v Speaker 3>most important ones I put into the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I just wanted to say that that is

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<v Speaker 2>images that we had never seen before.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because if you're telling me these were basically

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01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:10.720
<v Speaker 1>acquired by you in well, you were working with them

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01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:13.760
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight, about fifteen years after the assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>Much later.

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<v Speaker 2>It's much later.

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01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:18.119
<v Speaker 3>These were much later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:25.520
<v Speaker 3>One of the doctors unauthorized took the pictures the authorities

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01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:31.079
<v Speaker 3>at the hospital confiscated them and never processed them. They

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01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:37.680
<v Speaker 3>were given by the doctor to the people at the hospital.

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01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:41.119
<v Speaker 3>The person at the hospital had them, gave them to

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01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.000
<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine who gave them to me, and

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01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:46.840
<v Speaker 3>I had them processed. And that's why we're even to

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01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.560
<v Speaker 3>have it. It was like forty years after or something

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01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:52.039
<v Speaker 3>much later, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, two thousand and three or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Then like maybe twenty years ago you were working with

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01:19:56.880 --> 01:20:00.079
<v Speaker 1>these then by that, okay, I just want to clarify that,

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01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:03.079
<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't sure. But the interesting thing here, though,

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01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>is that these are images nobody's ever seen before. There

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01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:09.960
<v Speaker 1>are also images of Oswald's autopsy in there. There are

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01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>images from the Zubruta film, the various other films that

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01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>are in there, the analysis of it. And like I

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01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>showed you earlier that that ticket from the Texas Theater,

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01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:22.920
<v Speaker 1>here we go. I put it in plastic. I put

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01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:26.079
<v Speaker 1>in one of those protected plastics, but from the Texas Theater.

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01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:28.960
<v Speaker 1>That's an actual ticket from the days.

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01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Look at that.

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01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.359
<v Speaker 1>See now he's got a string of him there and

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01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:33.760
<v Speaker 1>he's going to include one of those as a bookmark

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01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in absolute proof for as long as well supplies last, right.

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01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, they're good. They getting rare and rare as time goes, but.

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01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Well they would help you exactly, So keep that in mind.

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01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.199
<v Speaker 1>And all the information to be able to acquire Absolute

1348
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Proof is going to be in the show notes with

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01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the with the podcast or if you're watching this video, Uh,

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01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you'll be able to see it below, and you'll be

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01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:01.680
<v Speaker 1>able to contact Janet grow or Bob Roden one or

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01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:04.199
<v Speaker 1>the other uh directly and get.

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01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:05.239
<v Speaker 2>The book from the author.

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01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are other books available too, but they are

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01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:13.239
<v Speaker 1>not in print. Absolute Proof is still kind of readily available.

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01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>If you go to the conference, though, I'm willing to

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01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:17.640
<v Speaker 2>bet you'll be able to get a hold of all

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01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:18.279
<v Speaker 2>three books.

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01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:24.279
<v Speaker 1>And you just have to ask, right if if you

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01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>contact Janet Claire twenty nine, Okay, spell this out j

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01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:32.720
<v Speaker 1>A n E T C l a I R two.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Janet Claire twenty nine, Okay, one more time j A

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01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:42.600
<v Speaker 1>N E T C l a I R two nine

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<v Speaker 1>at gmail.

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<v Speaker 2>Dot com, you can get in touch with her and

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01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:50.119
<v Speaker 2>figure it out. Eighty dollars to buy the book twenty

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01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.159
<v Speaker 2>to mail it in the US. If you live somewhere

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01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>outside of the us.

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01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Different arrangements might have to be made because postageink going

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01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:57.399
<v Speaker 1>to be twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>But otherwise, yeah, you can start there. I would advise

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01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you get.

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01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:04.199
<v Speaker 1>A hold of all three of the big books if

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01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.479
<v Speaker 1>you can, the magazines that Bob has put out, other

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01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:10.880
<v Speaker 1>books Bob has put out, uh you know, for for instance,

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01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.640
<v Speaker 1>High Treason, the first one, not the second one.

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<v Speaker 2>High Treason.

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01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Is a good book, you know, because because I had

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01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.039
<v Speaker 1>personal interactions with the guy who was a co author

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01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:23.960
<v Speaker 1>years at one time.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, anyway, you and I will talk another time

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01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:27.159
<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, maybe not suitable for air anyway, it is what

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01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it is. Uh, But yeah, so High Treason. Yes, also

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01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Bob has co authored a couple other pieces. But I

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<v Speaker 1>advise strongly that if you're serious about the case, and

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01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you're interested in getting the information for yourself and studying

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01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the visual information, you need those three big books. You

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01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>need the two videos that Bob showed you, Okay, and

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01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>you can get a lot of other stuff that has

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01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Bob Groden's name on it, because, as we've said here,

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01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:03.840
<v Speaker 1>look he got a six decade now long plus history

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01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:08.079
<v Speaker 1>working with the photographic evidence, and on his eighteenth birthday,

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01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>happy birthday again, Bob on the twenty second, which I'll

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01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:13.439
<v Speaker 1>be able to say to you in person when I

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01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>see in Dallas. Guess what that's the day the president

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01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was assassinated in Dealey Plaza. But meanwhile, will be in

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01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Dallas myself and Bob Brodon. I'll be the MC Bob

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01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:28.119
<v Speaker 1>is going to talk to you about Guess what films

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01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and photos and what is the title of your presentation?

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01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:35.880
<v Speaker 3>You have a title yet not really Essentially, what it

1405
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:40.439
<v Speaker 3>comes down to is that it's dealing with the legitimacy

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01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:45.199
<v Speaker 3>of the Zubruter film. I'm wasting so much time, but

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01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:48.439
<v Speaker 3>it's so important. This is my legacy for crying out.

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01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 3>I could have ended up in jail. I could have

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01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:55.359
<v Speaker 3>been shy, I could have who knows, and you know

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01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:58.600
<v Speaker 3>the story in Daley Plaza. I got to Dally Plaza,

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01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:02.119
<v Speaker 3>I started to up to people about this. The city

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01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:05.760
<v Speaker 3>of Dallas ticket to me eighty four times.

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01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh I had my number wrong though.

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01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Twice because they didn't want this information. Now, let me

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01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:18.600
<v Speaker 3>give one last description on the book if I can sure.

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01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.960
<v Speaker 3>The book has got a thousand pictures in it, literally

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01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:26.119
<v Speaker 3>a thousand pictures, about seven hundred of them have never

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01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:30.840
<v Speaker 3>been released before. The entire book is on acid free

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01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:36.119
<v Speaker 3>semi glass paper, so it'll never fade, never yellow. I'm very,

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01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:38.239
<v Speaker 3>very proud of it. Of the e books I've written,

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01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.479
<v Speaker 3>this is as good as all the others put together.

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01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, absolutely, But look, I'm telling you guys now,

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01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you find it used. If you

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01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.279
<v Speaker 1>pick it up from Bob directly, I strongly advise you

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01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>to get the other two as well. They are a

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01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>three volume compendium of the best photographic evidence that you're

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01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>going to get your hot little hand without having to

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01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>go out and chase things down for about thirty years, Okay,

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01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling you that's what it would take you

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01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:10.119
<v Speaker 1>probably to assemble these things yourself, if you were to

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01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.199
<v Speaker 1>go and get decent copies of various things. I mean,

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01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I have a hell of a time even getting press

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01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:17.800
<v Speaker 1>photos at this point, right, But we've been through all

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01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>that before on the show. I'm extremely happy. Thank you

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01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Bob Goroden for you know taking Now, we took more

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01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>than an hour. I'm sorry, but we can't compress this

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01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:29.439
<v Speaker 1>into an hour, to be honest with you. But I

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01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.680
<v Speaker 1>look forward to seeing you in Dallas, which again the

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01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Lancer Conference will be from the twenty second to the

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01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:37.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth at the Dallas Marriott Downtown.

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01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you'll be able to attend there.

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01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And if you go to Assassination Conference dot com and

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01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>use the discount code Ocelli ten, you'll get ten percent

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01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>off of your ticket. Also, student prices are available. I

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01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>advise you to go there in person, but if you can't,

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01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you can attend virtually. And Bob Groden is definitely worth

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01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the price of admission all by himself. So with that

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01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.479
<v Speaker 1>all having been said, I'm done for tonight. We didn't

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01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>take commercials or anything, but hey, what are you gonna do?

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01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:08.520
<v Speaker 1>It is what it is, and I'm glad that you

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01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>could join me. I'm merely o'celly. All of you are

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01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>indeed the effect. Robert Groden was my guest, and look

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01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>down below either in the video or in the podcast

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01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>description to follow through and get yourself a copy of

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01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Absolute Proof or anything else you can by contacting Bob

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01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Groden and following up on the photographic evidence in the

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01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>JFK assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Chuck for all right.

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01:26:34.479 --> 01:27:35.000
<v Speaker 6>Much revelation through Conversation dot com, Radio Chili dot com.

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01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:38.560
<v Speaker 5>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.600
<v Speaker 5>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:45.079
<v Speaker 5>the context of the times, and reveals never before published

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01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:48.760
<v Speaker 5>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:51.479
<v Speaker 5>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:54.880
<v Speaker 5>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.920
<v Speaker 5>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 5>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 5>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 5>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 5>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 5>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 5>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 5>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 5>reveals why, and we'll show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 5>up against.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information, the Warstate dot.

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<v Speaker 7>Com yo Yolas Doug Campbell, host of the Dallas Action

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<v Speaker 7>podcast presented by Wall Street Window, and you are listening

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<v Speaker 7>to the o'chilly of quickt revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Colin about the DAFA assassination. Right, well, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 6>Dye Bakers wild claim Oswald girlfriend he knew Ruby and

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<v Speaker 6>Barry answer weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make me a wagon.

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<v Speaker 6>But okay, Oswal was on the building and trying to

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<v Speaker 6>prevent the leader of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on now, is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Real effort on the day of pay assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

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<v Speaker 1>own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy

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<v Speaker 1>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

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<v Speaker 1>and the known evidence in the case to get at

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<v Speaker 1>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judithbary

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<v Speaker 1>Baker in her own words from the author himself, signed

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<v Speaker 1>if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at ki

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<v Speaker 1>as jfk at aol dot com. It's a fun book

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<v Speaker 1>and it actually dissects the many, many fantastic claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Judith very Baker in her own words, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>all the great information.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like history?

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<v Speaker 8>Real history that you were never taught in schools? Why

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<v Speaker 8>the Vietnam War, nuclear bombs and nation Building in Southeast

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<v Speaker 8>Asia by author Mike Swanston, with new documentation never seen

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<v Speaker 8>before that will open your eyes to events that led

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<v Speaker 8>up to this. Why the Vietnam War, Nuclear Moms and

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<v Speaker 8>Nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty five through nineteen

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<v Speaker 8>sixty one. Get you a copy today at Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 8>Why the Vietnam War by author Mike Swatson.

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<v Speaker 4>You get ready for you tell me about ship.

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<v Speaker 5>Ship with.

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<v Speaker 9>My Nat scrape h.

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<v Speaker 3>Nuclear holocaust. You know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 2>You think of nuclear weapons and other things like lots

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<v Speaker 2>of you know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 3>Things things that dona with urims leaving some broad things.

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<v Speaker 2>Nuclear holocaust.

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<v Speaker 9>You know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't Nuclear Holocaust