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Speaker 1: And welcome. Hello everybody, Welcome to the Big Podcast. It

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is Tuesday. Today is the tenth day of February, year

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of our Lord, twenty twenty six. My name is Tom Sullivan.

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And well, we had a perfectly good podcast ready to go,

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and so all of a sudden, it was about one

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o'clock in the afternoon on the East coast and we

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got word that the FBI had released some video in

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some photographs from the front porch of Nancy Guthrie from

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that camera that we all have seen. The camera wasn't there.

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Somebody destroyed it, took it? Did? They certainly removed it.

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But apparently the FBI has been working with Google behind

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the scenes. And it goes to what you and I

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know what. We just go about our lives. The electronic

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devices and gadgets that we have in our homes and

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our cars are places of work. They are keeping track.

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They're listening, you know, all of the devices that are

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whether it's a Siri or Alexa, wherever it might be,

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they hear and they're listening all the time to be

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able to hear it. Well, the same thing with cameras. Apparently,

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even though Nancy Guthrie had a Nest video camera on

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her front door. But she did not. She let the

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subscription go and the camera was destroyed, so you think, okay,

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there's nothing there. I was puzzled by the fact that

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the sheriff, who, by the way, is just getting a

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lot of grief, but he was seemed confused about a

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lot of things. His facts were not have been wrong

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many many times through this whole episode over the last week,

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but he talked about the camera like, well, it was destroyed,

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so I guess we can't get anything from it. I'm

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going no, it goes to a cloud, it's not in it.

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I was wondering, does he think that the camera has

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film in it like an old Kodak camera. So it

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was hard because it wasn't a subscription, but the camera

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still was recording whatever was in front of the camera,

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and it goes into a cash file see a cche

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cash And so the people at Google who make Nest

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cameras have been working. I don't know how many people

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they put on it and how long it took, but

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it was they had to go through and the millions

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of hours of camera footage to find what they found,

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and they found the perp walking up onto the front

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porch of Nancy Guthrie's home and going about the process

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of trying to destroy the camera. Now they have told

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us that there are more cameras inside. And then a

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couple of days ago for the I don't know umpteenth time,

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the FBI shows up. They and they're back on the

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property again. They go up on the roof and they

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find a camera. I don't know what the camera was

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taking photos of sunrises and sunsets or something. I'm maybe

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it was showing everybody coming and going. So there's a

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lot more that we don't know. But here's the post

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on X from Cash Patail, the FBI director. It says

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new images in the search for Nancy Guthrie. Over the

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last eight days, the FBI and p Mac County Sheriff's

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Department have been working closely with our private sector partners

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to continue to recover any images or video footage from

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Nancy Guthrie's home that may have been lost, corrupted, or

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inaccessible due to a variety of factors, including the removal

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of recording devices. The video was recovered from residual data

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located in back end systems. In other words, they recorded

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it and it's somewhere in a pile of good God

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only knows how many millions of hours of video they

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had to go through. But when they went through it,

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they found the perp walking onto the front porch of

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Nancy Guthrie. Now he's got a ski mask on, so

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all you can see is his eyes in his mouth.

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But he's got just like just like Luigi Maggioni. He's

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got a backpack that is identifiable. He's got a pair

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of gloves on. He's got a gun, which is really weird.

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He's got a pistol that doesn't fit the holster, but

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he's got a holster hanging off his belt right right

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in front of the fly who puts a gun there?

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I mean, you don't want that gun to actually discharge,

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because if so, I mean it's right there and is

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right in the front of his pants and the gun

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doesn't fit the holster, and so you go, well, this

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guy isn't some professional in any case, he goes on cash.

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Betel says, working with our partners, as of this morning,

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law enforcement has uncovered these previously inaccessible new images showing

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an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera

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at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance.

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An he won with information, Please contact one eight hundred

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call FBI. So there's I mean, they've got still photos

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they released, they've got videos that they're released, and when

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you look at it, you go, I don't. I mean,

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it's like like Luigi. We saw the photos of him

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and his eyebrows and his eyes, but he had the

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mask over his face, he had the hoodie up. So

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when we actually got to see what he looked like,

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I thought, oh, well, yeah, I guess that's him. But

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the key here is that you and I may not

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know who this person is, but if this is somebody's husband,

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if this is somebody's brother, if this is somebody's father,

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you know they're going to know, Hey, that looks like

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my husband, my father, my brother, whatever. Somebody is going

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to know who this is. And they're asking for people

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to call in. And I as I sit here and

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record this this afternoon, I'm thinking that since we're not live,

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I've I'm thinking this will this case is not only

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busted wide open, but I think they'll they'll pick up

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this person probably within twenty four hours, maybe sooner. There's

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just way too much information. The shoes that he is wearing,

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the backpack is unique, the coat he is wearing is unique.

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The ski mask is kind of an old school ski mask.

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You don't see those anymore. So with that, I I'm

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fussed about, well what do I do? So there's every

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law enforcement person out there asked being asked to chime

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in on what they think this is all? Who is is?

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How did this work? Is a person and I'll play

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these for you. I'll play a handful of them for you.

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They're all skilled law enforcement people. They come to different conclusions.

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Some people think that this was just a house burglary

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that went bad. Well maybe, but I'm going so if

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you are burgling a place and the homeowner wakes up,

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you run, you don't take the person with you. So

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then they also disagree on whether this was targeted or not,

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and I'm going, I don't know. I don't know. Meantime,

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as we're recording this, we're finding out that law enforcement

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has now all of a sudden shown up once again

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at any Guthrie's house in the We know about the

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fact that there was reporting earlier that her husband, Tomaso,

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is a suspect. They're not saying that anymore they said.

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In fact, they denied that. But when you look at

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this video, you know Tomaso has a big beard and mustache.

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In this ski mask, you can clearly see that the

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purp has a mustache. Does he have other facial hairs?

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Can't tell. But does it look like Tomaso's eyes? I

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don't think so. But well, let's start off John Sheen farmer,

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swat officer. Let's see what he has to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just the angle we're looking at.

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I don't think that the backpack disappears by any means

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or anything. I believe that, like Bill had said earlier,

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that this is probably somebody local. The backpack and the

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other the ski mask, everything was procured locally. I'll go

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back to my earlier statement and that nothing that this

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suspect is doing is deliberate. He meanders up to that

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porch area, kind of wanders up towards the door, and

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then commits to going and trying to disable the camera.

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When you mentioned earlier about his left hand going over

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the gun. Two possibilities there are, of course, if she's

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looking on the camera, he doesn't want her to see

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the gun, and the other possibility is he's putting enough

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force or inertia behind trying to disable that camera that

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that holster looks to be kind of in a tenuous

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position on the front of him, and he's probably trying

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to keep it from wiggling or falling off or the weapon,

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which is an inappropriate weapon to be putting in that

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holster anyway from that falling out and possibly discharging. So

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lot going on there in that little bit of video

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footage that we have. But we go then to where

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we have the flash of light coming from his mouth.

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Most likely that's going to be some sort of an

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ir shadow in my opinion. The only other explanation could

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be he was palming some sort of a small flashlight

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in one hand and when he went to disable the

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camera with the right hand, he had the other hand

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trying to study the gun. He may have briefly put

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a very small flashlight in his mouth as he was

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trying to disable the camera. That's that's an entire that's

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entirely a possibility as well. But nothing here speaks to

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someone who is professional at doing this, someone who is

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well versed, like we've seen, you know, crossborder kidnappings with

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with with cartel or that type of identity. It doesn't

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speak to that, It speaks to somebody local. Uh So

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you know with that it's you're seeing his as you're

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watching this video right now, you're watching him walk up

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the walk. Someone knows that gait. Someone knows that person

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and how they walk and how they move those body movements.

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Somebody recognizes those eyes. Those are very distinct, rather large eyes.

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And then the finally manicured eyebrows, possibly mustache mustaches can

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be shaved off, you know, to conceal an identity. It's

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going to be hard to change out those eyebrows. I think,

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you know, everything speaks to This is such a positive

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step forward in this investigation, and it may rock this

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suspect back on their heels far enough that they're forced

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to just give up what's going on and release Nancy

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back to the Guthrie family. I don't believe it's random,

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not for a minute. This is somebody that is related

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to somebody that does work or services for Nancy Guthrie,

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that has some sort of a contact with Nancy where

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they would know who Nancy's daughter is, and that this

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wasn't just a you know, a random crime of opportunity.

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person that was actually working as a home healthcare worker, landscaper,

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pool person, you know, house cleaner, whatever, or maybe someone

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that wasn't that capacity that maybe just had loose lips

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and communicated to this individual or these individuals, Hey guess

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whose house I'm cleaning or guess whose pool I'm cleaning.

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And this is the mom of the lady on the

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Today Show. So everything speaks to it was targeted, But

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nothing I'm seeing here in this video speaks to this

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being a very professional, efficient kidnapping. It's not going to

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be the gun because we don't have a close enough

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image of the gun, and I don't know can even

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enhance it that well. I would look, and I would

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look backpack. Not every backpack is going to have reflective

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material on the shoulders like that in very distinct places.

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I think that they're able to freeze and enhance those

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images of the backpack. The FBI is extremely good at this.

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They've been good at this for close to you know,

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ninety years. Being able to do it could very possibly. Yeah,

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And I'm sure the FBI is all over that and

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they're tracing down every local store that would sell that

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style of backpack and who purchased those backpacks. Another thing

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to keep in mind too is if this is a

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relative of somebody that's doing work for Nancy Guthrie, they

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are well on the way to connect collecting DNA samples

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of everyone associated with Nancy who would have had access

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to the residents or access to Nancy, or who may

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you know, be in a position to give information regarding

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this as well. So these are all very positive size everything. Oh,

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this is a huge break. I think he may be

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trying to do something else with his other hand, and

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maybe he just wasn't confident in his ability to breach

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the door and cover the camera and he needed something

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else to do it, maybe while he threw his shoulder

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into the door. Obviously, this doesn't speak to being very

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well planned out. The fact that he went back to

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grab plant material like this was cased very efficiently ahead

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of time, because there was this last minute attempt to

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go grab some plant material and cover that lens. It's

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again all this speaks to a very amateurish attempt. We

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only have a small clip of what we do have,

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and it's very possible the FBI is still gleaning more

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information off of the data that they've perceived. Hopefully they're

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able to give us more, or if they can't give

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it to us, at least they're able to utilize it

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in order to take this farther.

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Speaker 1: So, since you don't have the video in front of

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you off, I don't know if this is a solo abduction.

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I can't imagine that one person would abduct Nancy Guthrie.

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I mean, and the bleeding that was out there, so

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there was obviously this person does have a pensiant for violence.

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But you don't see anybody else in the video and

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the course with that home, you look out into the

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driveway and they've enhanced the night vision of this camera

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best they can, but you don't see a car. You

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see nothing but what you do see. And they were

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talking about it. There's a bright light that kind of

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comes from his mouth in one part of the video,

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which some people think is just the way that the

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reflection of the camera. Others think because this guy said

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was maybe a small pocket flashlight he put in his

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mouth while he was working to disable the can. He's

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got these big gloves on and you can't work on

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unscrewing the camera with big gloves on. But the whole

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thing's weird. And he's got reflective some sort of reflective

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material on the two straps of his backpack, very clearly reflective.

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So there are things that they can do to look

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at all of this, But there's behavior that in one

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case you think it's a professional hit, in the other

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case you think it's just an amateur. He went over

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to the camera, kind of pushed his bounced his glove

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off of the camera, like he's trying to knock the

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camera off of it's holding. But then he turns around,

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he goes back out to the front of the porch

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and picks up some plant material from the garden and

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like he was trying to cover the camera with this.

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So he looks very amateur in that regard. So that

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was John Chiann, former a swat team man. Yeah, so

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was it sold? There's only one person in the video.

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Was another person hiding waiting in the car out in

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the driveway that we can't see. We know the person

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has a mustache. There's a debate about whether this was

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targeted or whether it was random, or was it professional

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or not professional. The backpack apparently people have are identifying

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it as a motorcycle backpack. The FBI talked to the

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Guthrie family and asked them, does anybody recognize this person?

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And all three of them, independently, individually by themselves, said no.

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So this is breaking news this afternoon. The White House

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is even chiming in on all of this today, the

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White House sending out a note basically asking everybody to

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pay attention to the video and to send their prayers.

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And it's it's getting a lot of good attention. So

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let's listen to this expert. Morgan Wright is his name.

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He is a cyber security expert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've gone from zero to one hundred, you know,

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in about a second. So this would have won, you know,

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any most drag race out there. So and it's good.

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The other thing though, too, it's good because it gets

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the public back engaged again into this and it raises

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the awareness right as you know, two in the news cycle.

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Once you get to a point where you're repeating the

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same thing, people lose interest. But now that we've got

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something new, they can now focus their attention. And the

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other thing too is there may be people that weren't

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following this or may have dropped off that now with

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this new piece of information, will be able to make

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a link between oh I saw this, and I get this,

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and I remember seeing this guy or somebody who looks

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like this guy. Will there be a lot of sightings

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that may not be totally accurate. Yes, but as a detective,

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I would take some sidings and not so good sightings

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over no sightings and no tips and no leads. So

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this is good. This should I I think you would

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see also a huge influx of tips. And that's the

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other reason the FBI is so geared up for this,

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with their crisis response team and their rapid response teams,

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their ability to bring in the infrastructure. This is not

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just an investigation. This is an infrastructure problem. It's like

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the military. It's about logistics. So they're bringing in the

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infrastructure to be able to handle this flood of information.

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Because when this information comes in, first thing you got

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to do is you've got to get on it right away.

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Leads have time value, So the faster that we can

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get into it right now if we know it, guess what,

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the person who did this knows this too, so they

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may be taking actions to cover their tracks, to get

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rid of evidence, to do things and so That's the

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other reason why time is so critical in this is

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that if we know it, chances are he knows it

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or one of his partners knows it, and they're going

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to be taking steps to mitigate their risks. So and

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this is huge. And the other thing they'll be doing too,

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Like I said, I know we've said this, but it's

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all of the other data, the forensic analysis of the

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shoes and the pants and the shirt and the backpack

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and the sche mask and looking for who made all

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of those things. We're going to They may not release

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that to the public, but we're they're going to be

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getting down to a better idea from a profile standpoint,

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who this person is, where those things might likely originate from.

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That backpack maybe so unique. The only place you can

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buy it is at a store in Texas.

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Speaker 2: Let's say.

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Speaker 3: That really narrows it down. So we're waiting to hear

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some of that very well. They won't release it to

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us right now, but as they get it, they might say, hey,

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look now we have investigative interest in a place in Albuquerque,

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you know, or someplace in Phoenix as opposed to Tucson.

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So this is going to be a huge help to

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not only generating interest, but putting it on target.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: We now we can precisely target the areas that we

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have an interest in.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of the areas, apparently the sheriff has all

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of a sudden showed up back in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood.

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They also showed up by Annie Guthrie's house, which is

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four or five miles away, and they are going back around.

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There's quite a few deputies that are going back around

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to the neighbors and knocking on their doors and asking

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more questions. And so there's a big canvasscene going on

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again in both the neighborhood of Nancy Guthrie and also

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the daughter Andy Guthrie. Andy McKay, former deputy director of

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the FBI, I know, but he does have many years

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of law enforcement experience in the FBI. Let's listen to

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what he thinks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a remarkable series of images. The still images

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are much better than I expected. There's a lot of

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detail in the images of the clothing and the gloves

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and all this stuff that by themselves would not mean much,

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but when you put them all together might very well

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inspire someone who actually knows this person to say, hey,

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I know who that is. But then when you get

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a look at the video, it's like a whole different dimension.

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This is not, in my opinion, this is not someone

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first of all, who has ever trained to a gun. No,

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no person with law enforcement or military training would ever

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carry a firearm in a holster like that right where

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that is at this almost the center of his body

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hanging off of his belt there. It's like not very

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tactically sound for a lot of reasons. His approach to

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the house, it's not particularly furtive or concerned. He just

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kind of walks up with his house with his head

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bent towards the ground, obviously to avoid being seen. You

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then see him use his hand like he is in

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that video right there to kind of cup over the

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lens of the camera to keep it from getting the

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close up of his of his face, which we all

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which we get eventually anyway. So it's it so even

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here where he turns around, he's looking for something on

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the floor that he can use. He doesn't seem to

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be in a rush. He never looks out towards the street,

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He doesn't seem to be concerned that anyone sees him

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or what he's doing. It's really remarkable. It's kind of

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not what you think about when you think about an

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executed kidnapping. You know, usually it's more than one person

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that's engaged in trying to take someone out of a residence.

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Here you have, you know, this image. Anyway, it's just

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one person. Maybe there are others, we don't know, but yeah,

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it's just very odd. This person does not look like

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they're you know, they're not moving with a purpose, as

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we say in law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of former Deputy directors of the FBI, Dan

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Bongino ways in on this breaking news today.

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Speaker 5: Well, they weren't brought in right away the FBI. And

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there are basically two mechanisms to bring the FBI into

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an investigation. The first is fairly obvious, as federal jurisdiction.

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It's a federal crime. They come in and I don't

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want to say take over. Nobody really takes over. It

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always work with little departments, but you get the point.

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The second is by request. The request from what I'm

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here came in a couple of days, but it appears

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to be now a couple of days too late. This footage.

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It takes a great amount of expertise to get this footage,

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being that Nest Video wasn't a subscription account. So my

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guess on this is that there had to be legal

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process served because a lot of these companies are not

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going to give you this stuff without judicial process or

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legal process excuse me, to protect themselves later. So that

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takes time getting search warrants and things like that. And

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also the material, given that it wasn't an updated subscription account,

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that next camera was likely cashed, so it probably took

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a little bit to get Even with the rush, they

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will work with you, these companies once they get processed

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to protect themselves legally, they will work with you. We've

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done it before on a number of high profile cases. However,

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they can't make miracles happen. It still takes time to

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go and process that stuff. So I wish they'd been

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called in sooner, but you know, listen, I don't want

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a Monday morning quarterback these things. They may have thought

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it was a missing person's case. That I mean originally,

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if you remember, that's kind of how it appeared to

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have been handled. So you know, it's easy in hindsight

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to say that, and I don't want to do that.

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But if they were called in soon, we likely would

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have had these images a much quicker. Oh, I see

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a lot of things there. Seems to be at some point,

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you know, familiarity with the area. If you notice when

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he walks up, he has his head down, maybe he

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thinks there's some surveillance camera outside he's missing. But then

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he seems if you look, he seems surprised. I see

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it playing right now. He seems like he's going to

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knock on the door and then seems surprised by the

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presence of that doorbell camera right there. And then instead

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of having a simple item like a piece of tape,

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he goes out and grabs it in kind of amateurish manner,

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you know, some plant that he tries to cover it with.

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It just seems quite odd. And another thing that sticks

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out to me is, you know, having been not just

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in law enforcement, being a gun carrier my whole life,

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that's a very unusual way to carry a firearm. I

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mean they have inside the waistband holsters. Now this I

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don't know what type of firearm it is. I can't

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see from the picture I'm watching it right here. Maybe

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it's a revolver, I don't know, but that's an unusually

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large hall should be carried in that manner. There's a

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couple other things jump out of me. You know, the

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FBI has a divert team, a digital video enhancement team.

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They're probably I would guess, I know if I was

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working the case right now, and I'm sure cash is

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right now. I'm sure they're working on this to pick

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apart everything. I would guess from looking at him in

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context of probably the archway. He's probably five nine to

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five eleven or so, so they can get height. There's

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also features of the face that, although obscured by the

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ski mask, you can still use some of the tools

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to get something useful out of it. And another thing

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is is this an insider or a local? Those aren't necessary.

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They could be the same thing, but they don't necessarily

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mean they're the same person. In other words, an insider

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is it you know, a gardener? Is it someone who

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was an electrician in the house. We've seen cases like

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this before where they're working inside the house, they realize

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someone has money and they leave a window open and

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then income in and sneak through the window. Did that

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happen here or was it a local? Now they could

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be both. But however, a local was it someone in

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the neighborhood. Was it someone's kid in the neighborhood, or

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someone who is you know, maybe got a drug problem,

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who's staying with a parrot, or someone in or around

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the area that knows the area, knows it's dark. Those

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are the questions that are going to come up. And

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the reason I asked that is I had read a

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report about them taking DNA buckle samples, DNA samples from

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people who had been in and around the house. Now

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that's going to be critical to link up with our

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CODA system, the DNA system. If they get a hit

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on that, you wouldn't be in there unless you had

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some reason to be in there. You smab was taken

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pursuing to a crime or some other reason. But it's

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better than nothing. It's a good start. And one final

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thing is the ransom related You notice yesterday from that

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really horrifying video Samana Guthrie had to post. She doesn't

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has been said many times on their address the kidnappers anymore.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 5: I had mentioned three possible scenarios last night, being is

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it a kidnapping for ransom? Which is the story. You know,

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everyone thought was possibly going to happen there. And then

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the second story was this a crime or burilary, They

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just went wrong and maybe he didn't expect anyone to

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be home. She opens the door, some incident happens, she bleeds.

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You know, it's looking more likely that it may be

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scenario too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to get out ahead and the investigation

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ahead of the investigation at this point, but this looks

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like it.

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Speaker 1: Could be that one, which surprises me because I'm thinking,

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if you were breaking in and somebody you surprise somebody

491
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and they showed up, why would you take them with you?

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Why would you take an eighty four year old woman

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with you just run? I don't know, but Bongino thinks

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it might be just a burglary gone bad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, in cases like this, especially given the

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area and the ability to dramatically expand your field of

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vision on surveillance. In other words, things we didn't have

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when I, you know, when I left the Secret Service,

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they were I shouldn't say they have, but they One

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is pervasive, the use of really really high end drone technology.

501
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Drones were in their infancy back then. Now that I

502
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went back into law, enforcement that as the deputy over

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there at the Bureau. Not only do we have really

504
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incredibly high tech drones now, but the camera technology, flear

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infrared thermal. If you know, if it's a body dead

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as you're going to have obviously the thermal be an issue.

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But with the ability to surveil over large areas, yeah,

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with a woman that age who's not very ambulatory or mobile, yeah,

509
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it does create a lot of questions that we haven't

510
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found body yet. It's really not that easy. Given the

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the ubiquitous nature of ring cameras, surveillance cameras, street cameras, LPRs,

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license play readers, and everything else. It's not that easy, thankfully,

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to take someone against their will and just disappear and

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leave no digital trace. I heard it referred to by

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an excellent commentator, James Kellyanner. He said, did exhaust. That's

516
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an accurate way to put it, you know, said the tailpipe,

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out of that digital tail pipe. But to leave none

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of those signs, and I don't believe many of those

519
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were left behind, is very unusual. If you get on

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that scene early, it is very difficult to not only

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get away from a scene by yourself, but to get

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away from a scene with someone who's obviously not voluntarily

523
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leaving with you. Yeah, that's really difficult.

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Speaker 1: So now we wait to find out somebody recognizes this person.

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They're probably going to pick up the phone and call in.

526
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I'll go back to the kid that shot and killed

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Charlie Kirk. Remember there was video of him. There were

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photos they put up of him disguised. He could not

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tell who it was, but his mother saw the video

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and said, that looks like my son went and talked

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to her husband. They went and talked to their son,

532
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and yeah, that was him. So where this goes. I

533
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think it's going to come to a screeching find of

534
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the party very quickly. But there's still a million questions

535
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about all of us. And again, late this afternoon, as

536
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we're recording his podcast, there are investigators going door to

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door in primarily Annie Guthie's Guthrie's neighborhood and also some

538
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over by Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. So and then, just as

539
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a side note, just to show you how this is.

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All these big criminal investigations are going on in the

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middle of real life. So you've got a lot of

542
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reporters parked out in front of Nancy Guthrie's home. So

543
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the police are there and the media is there, and

544
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all of a sudden, the sky pulls up, gets out.

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He's got a bunch of boxes of pizza and goes

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walking up to the door of Nancy Guthrie's house to

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deliver pizza, looking for the doorbell, and it did not

548
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dawn on him. He was on the front porch of

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where the world is focused on, and he was apparently

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they said, oh, oh, oh, I'm delivering this for one

551
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of the reporters that ordered a bunch of pizzas in

552
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the middle of all of us. Well, they got to

553
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eat pizza. Guy didn't know. He's busy delivering pizzas. So

554
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Wall Street today, gosh just took up the entire news

555
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barrel today. But Wall Street was doing just fine. Mixed

556
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market overall. The Dow Jones industrials another new record, up

557
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fifty two points to fifty thousand and one eight eight.

558
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,240
SMP fell twenty three, Nasdaq fell one hundred and thirty six.

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Gold was down thirty dollars to fifty fifty, and oil

560
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was down just a few pennies down to sixty four dollars.

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For a barrel of oil. So that's it for today.

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Thank you for coming by. We will be back again

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tomorrow and I hope to see you then