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<v Speaker 1>A couple weeks ago, we told you the story of

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<v Speaker 1>high school juniors who were getting seventy thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>year job offers because, among other things, they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to college and get a degree in left

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<v Speaker 1>handed medieval puppetry. They wanted to do something where their

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<v Speaker 1>skills would be used immediately, and for many of these

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<v Speaker 1>cases in mechanical ways, working with their hands and getting

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<v Speaker 1>paid right away. And one of the places that allows

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<v Speaker 1>you to do that is the Heavy Metal Summer Experience

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<v Speaker 1>sheet metal piping, electrical plumbing trades at the Heavy Metal

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<v Speaker 1>Summer Experience. Angie Simon is executive director and co founder

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<v Speaker 1>of Heavy Metal Summer Experience, and she joins us now. First, Angie,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for taking time for us today.

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<v Speaker 2>Garry, I really appreciate you having me on. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm the father of a son who did not

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to college. He wanted to work with

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<v Speaker 1>his hands, and he's been doing that. I'm i'm I

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<v Speaker 1>love the idea, I love the the creativity. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>even though that seems like we kind of fell away

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<v Speaker 1>from the old trades when it comes to getting jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Where where did this come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Where?

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<v Speaker 3>Did Heavy Metal Summer Experience come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Gary, I was the president and CEO of a

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<v Speaker 2>mechanical contracting firm up here in in northern California. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the San Francisco Bay area, and you know, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I realized we were a union contractor. We

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<v Speaker 2>had sheet melon pipe fitters, and I realized that so

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<v Speaker 2>many of the kids in the neighborhoods they all expect

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<v Speaker 2>to go to college, but many of the kids weren't

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<v Speaker 2>excited about it. They didn't want to go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>So I decided we were in a we were neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>with an underserved area, East Palo Alto, and we decided

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<v Speaker 2>that we would run a summer camp in our shop

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<v Speaker 2>to teach the East Palao walto high schoolers about the

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<v Speaker 2>trades because a lot of them weren't going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to college. And it was I did that. I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, and my friend up in Seattle, Recurrementson,

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<v Speaker 2>decided to do it with me. The two of us

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<v Speaker 2>kind of formed what we decided to name Heavy Metal

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<v Speaker 2>Summer Experience, and it was basically a summer camp to

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<v Speaker 2>teach high schoolers about the mechanical, lexical and plumbing trades,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first summer it was just an amazing experience.

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<v Speaker 2>These kids and their parents were so appreciative. Many of

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<v Speaker 2>these kids didn't even know how to use a tape measure,

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<v Speaker 2>and now all of a sudden, a bunch of them

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<v Speaker 2>have been in our trades. This was back in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I've railed about this for a long time since somebody

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<v Speaker 1>paid me to sit in front of a microphone. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is that we complain, not we You and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't complain about this. People who are younger than us

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<v Speaker 1>complaining they don't have the money to buy a house,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're also not doing the math or the realization

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<v Speaker 1>of well, you went to four year college, you got

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<v Speaker 1>a degree in philosophy or whatever you got, and you

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<v Speaker 1>did it all on student loans.

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<v Speaker 3>You're never going to be able to afford a house

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<v Speaker 3>at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you work in the trades, you work with

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<v Speaker 1>your hands, even while you get your philosophy degree, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be paid for actual work.

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<v Speaker 3>Is do you see that as well? Am I am?

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<v Speaker 3>I crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all? You know, I tell the story

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm retired now, I'm in my sixties. But when

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<v Speaker 2>I started at Western Allied and I was there thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five years. I had gone to college for five years,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of the typical. I enjoyed that last

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<v Speaker 2>year and I worked for one other company for a year,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'd been out of college, I mean out of

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<v Speaker 2>high school for six years when I started at Western

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<v Speaker 2>Allied and there was a pipefitter that was my age,

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<v Speaker 2>I think by maybe a year older, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>just bought his first house in the Bay Area and

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<v Speaker 2>I just barely got out of college and was paying

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<v Speaker 2>my parents back. I didn't have any student loans because

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<v Speaker 2>my parents were able to help me. But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he was able to buy a house in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Area because he started at eighteen years old and

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<v Speaker 2>been working for six years, and he had part of

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<v Speaker 2>that time he lived at home with his folks, and

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<v Speaker 2>he saved enough money to buy a house. So absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>that's I mean, we all get a late start. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the average age of people going into the apprenticeships right

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<v Speaker 2>now is twenty seven years old, so they're obviously doing

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<v Speaker 2>other things for the first ten years before when they

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<v Speaker 2>get out of high school. And that's my thought was,

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<v Speaker 2>let's encourage some of these high school kids to join

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<v Speaker 2>the unions and the trades right out of high school

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<v Speaker 2>and amazing, by the time they're twenty five years old,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be a journey person and making six figures.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I just don't think people understand that the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money that you can make immediately, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>a welding like an AA degree in welding from a

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<v Speaker 1>community college somewhere, which here in California is basically free,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be able to get out there and

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<v Speaker 1>have a steady job with good benefits. Often is there

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<v Speaker 1>a specific area or a specific trade that you think

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<v Speaker 1>is the most in need of bodies right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do think the three we focus on that

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<v Speaker 2>we call them the skilled trades and mechanical, electrical, and plumbing.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that I think going forward all three

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<v Speaker 2>need people desperately. But electrically, I think electricians are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be where the real shortage is because of all

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<v Speaker 2>the electrification as well as a solar the energy across

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<v Speaker 2>the nation level ship factory is being built. I really

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<v Speaker 2>do think we're going to be really short of electricians.

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<v Speaker 2>But right now in construction we are short four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand jobs. Now I mean people. We don't have enough

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<v Speaker 2>people to fill four hundred thousand jobs and forty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of our industries retiring in the next five to seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, if you're interested in getting a good

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<v Speaker 2>job that pays well, get into the trades because boy,

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<v Speaker 2>there is so much opportunity in the next ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your favorite trade? What do you like to tinker with?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess I would say that probably I worked

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<v Speaker 2>for a sheet metal and piping contractor, and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I have a little favorite towards sheet metal, just because

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<v Speaker 2>I think the stainless and the welding and it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fun. I like seat metal, but that's I think

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<v Speaker 2>piping is good too, but I don't. I'm a little

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<v Speaker 2>more afraid of electrical.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that'll give you a good buzz.

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<v Speaker 1>If if you're not careful, it'll it'll let you know

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<v Speaker 1>when you do something wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, can you think matter?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Andy? Can you hang on further segment?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk specifically about what goes on during

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<v Speaker 1>the camps, where they are and how people can.

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<v Speaker 3>Sign up for those I'd love to all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Angie Simon is executive director and co founder of Heavy

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<v Speaker 1>Metal Summer Experience. If you're interested, if your kids are interested,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want your kid to be interested, you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to HMS dot org Heavy Metal Summer Experience HMSE

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<v Speaker 1>dot org. A great location map as on there, including

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch here in the West, the City of Industry

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<v Speaker 1>Commerce down in San Diego, you got Ventura. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these places are going to be having summer camps with

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy Metal Summer Experience. We'll come back with Angie here

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment. We've been talking with Angie Simon.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the executive director and co founder of Heavy Metal

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<v Speaker 1>Summer Experience to help expose young kids to the trades.

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<v Speaker 1>We need more people in the trades, sheet metal, piping, plumbing, trades.

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<v Speaker 3>You can explore all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You become part of a team that's going to build

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<v Speaker 1>community in all of this. Each of the camps that

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<v Speaker 1>they run is unique, and there are several of them,

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<v Speaker 1>not just here in California, but throughout the country if

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening in other parts of the world. Angie, the

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy Metal Summer Experience, what is it? What does it

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<v Speaker 1>entail for say, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old kid?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Gary, every camp is free to the kids, so

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<v Speaker 2>they go in and they don't pay anything for this camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Typically they're going to be thirty to forty hours of camp,

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<v Speaker 2>So they are different schedules depending on the location. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them will do it in one week, some of

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<v Speaker 2>them will do it in two weeks in the afternoons,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're often run in contractors shops or in union

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<v Speaker 2>training center, So it depends on the shop. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a contractor's shop, it might have to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the afternoons. So they're going to run it for

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks in the afternoons. But the day one they

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<v Speaker 2>show up, they get a set of red wing boots

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<v Speaker 2>that we have a Metal Summer Experience paid for, and

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<v Speaker 2>they get their own set of work boots because that

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<v Speaker 2>makes you feel like you're really in working in the shop.

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<v Speaker 2>And then for throughout that forty hours, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing sheet metal piping, it's gonna be welding, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be so making projects. Make a toolbox that

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<v Speaker 2>they can take home, They make a lamp out of

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<v Speaker 2>piping that they can take home, They learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>wire the lamp. They just do a whole bunch of projects.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked a lot about safety. We talk a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about well, we also talk a lot about technology because

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<v Speaker 2>I think people don't realize how much technology is used

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<v Speaker 2>in construction nowadays. Robotics and AI, all of that's being

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<v Speaker 2>used in construction, so it doesn't mean we're just digging

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<v Speaker 2>ditches and construction anymore. And then when they're done getting

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<v Speaker 2>toward the end of that, they get a graduation metal,

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<v Speaker 2>the stainless seal metal, and they get a bag of

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<v Speaker 2>hand tools from either Milwaukee or Duwalt, which are partners

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<v Speaker 2>of ours for heavy Metal Summer Experience. We have some

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<v Speaker 2>amazing partners. So it's a great week of them learning

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about what it means to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the trades, and you know, they you can just see

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<v Speaker 2>how much they really enjoy working with their hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a replacement for the lack of shop classes

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen in high schools taken away?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel very strongly it is. I mean, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure my age, but there was still

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<v Speaker 2>shop classes when I was in high school. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel that if we had more of these shop classes

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<v Speaker 2>and vogue tech type classes in our high schools, we

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have to do this because they would learn about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of there's some states that are much

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<v Speaker 2>better than California in regards to that that have better

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<v Speaker 2>shops in their high schools. But really it's just a way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we also need to change of perception about

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<v Speaker 2>cut construction that people we need to understand that's not

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<v Speaker 2>like a secondary backstep job. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>really great career. You get benefits. You've get health care

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<v Speaker 2>and pensions, and I mean you can retire at fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five if you start at eighteen, and you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have full benefits at that point. So I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that if we could get this back into our high schools,

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe we wouldn't need these summer camps anymore. But listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I started in twenty twenty one with two camps and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight kids, and this summer we have fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>And for the kids, or for maybe adults that are

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're mechanically inclined, or they're not cut out

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<v Speaker 1>for college, or however you want to put it. This

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<v Speaker 1>that are involved with the camps, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they'll hire some of these kids right away.

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<v Speaker 2>The instructors or the contractors that are running the camps,

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<v Speaker 2>and they in the camps, they meet the union folks,

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<v Speaker 2>They learn what it takes. And many times the contractors,

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<v Speaker 2>them in the apprenticeship. So we have in La in

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<v Speaker 2>and well actually four depending on what you call the

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of late at this point, but next summer

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<v Speaker 2>I think we will also add Pomona. We may also

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<v Speaker 2>But again they're all over the United States, and we

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<v Speaker 2>even have some in Canada, and they can check our

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<v Speaker 2>website out. If you google heavy Metal Summer Experience you'll

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<v Speaker 1>And you're also looking for hosts as well, not just

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<v Speaker 2>True, true, And like, for example, I just talked to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in Vista. They have actually have a high school

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<v Speaker 2>in Vista that does do welding, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>very exciting. They'd like to do a summer camp there.

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<v Speaker 2>And Visa is I think. I think it's northeast of

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<v Speaker 2>and have them be a host next summer. But we

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<v Speaker 2>us with that. We don't provide actually run the camp.

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<v Speaker 2>We support them with all the resources to run the camp,

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<v Speaker 2>and we kind of handhold them the first summer. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you the thing is, we get pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>had fifty one camps this summer, I'll start with fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one next summer, and then I'll probably add another twenty

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's great, and listen, this is an exciting thing

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a huge proponent of this kind of work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge proponent of this kind of availability of

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<v Speaker 1>this work for kids because we've turned away from it

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Where you know, people don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>if people don't even know how to fix stuff around

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<v Speaker 1>their own house, and you'd be willing to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to pay several hundred bucks and if you're

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you. And this is a good way to

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<v Speaker 2>Angie. God, it's not that hard to change out your

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<v Speaker 2>garbage disposal. I mean, if you know how, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>learned a little bit of things, but instead of having

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<v Speaker 2>to hire somebody to do it. So I do think

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<v Speaker 2>it's time for us to slowly think change a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a mechanical engineer. I went to college here in California,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still think it's so important that so many

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, look at our website if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to help this. We also would be happy to accept

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<v Speaker 2>any donations anybody give us. So, Mary, thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate what One personal question is, where'd you

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<v Speaker 3>go to college?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I went to and San Luis Obisto. Oh yeah, my.

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<v Speaker 1>Father graduated from cal Poly. My daughter just graduated last

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<v Speaker 1>summer from from cal Poly.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my and my son graduated from cal Poly.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's good. We got the connection. So that's and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a college just hands on, hands on

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<v Speaker 2>that we learned by doing. So they really do stress it.

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<v Speaker 2>I put the welding class at cal polic.

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<v Speaker 3>That's literally their their slogan is learned by doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. And I was terrible at welding. I

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<v Speaker 2>learned that really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's an absolute pleasure to meet you, Angie, and

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<v Speaker 1>we wish you the best of luck with Heavy Metal

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<v Speaker 1>Summer Experience again, if you want information about it, go

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<v Speaker 1>to h m s E dot org v Metal Summer

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<v Speaker 1>Experience h M s E dot org with all the

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<v Speaker 1>information about the current camps that are going on this summer,

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<v Speaker 1>about future camps that are there, uh and encourage your

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<v Speaker 3>Angie.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Jerry, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you. Help them and get the word out.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, we'll talk again. I promise this is a it's

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<v Speaker 1>too good of a program to ignore, all right, Angie S.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm their executive director, co founder of Heavy Metal Summer

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<v Speaker 1>Experience h M s E dot org.