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Check 29 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,400 it's He's on the line, Spence. How you living, brother? 30 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: I'm good man. I love this week. It's been really 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,439 fun so far. Looking forward to the rest of it 32 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,120 and looking forward to what I think he's going to 33 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:29,879 be an epic historic Saturday night in Provo for the 34 00:01:29,879 --> 00:01:31,040 people that will be in Provo. 35 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. How unique in singular is it to have the 36 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,239 rivalry back in the same conference. Right? For too long 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,400 they were separated by conference affiliation, years were taken off. 38 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,120 You know, I always felt like the student athlete was 39 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,040 the one that was deprived of these unique and singular 40 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,680 competitive experiences. We know that college football was built on rivalries. 41 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,239 How special is it now for these student athletes the 42 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,239 community to have it the time and place it's at 43 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:03,480 right now with the conference affiliation included. 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,599 Speaker 2: Well, the conference affiliation and the fact that both teams 45 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:09,840 are still very much alive and in the race to 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,759 win the conference, and if you are there at the end, 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,400 and there really is a dynamic in play that this 48 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:21,759 conference could get two teams in if the cards fall 49 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,080 where they need to fall. And neither of these programs 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 has ever been to a CFP. The fourth time in history, 51 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,719 these two teams have been ranked in the AP Top 52 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,719 twenty five. Fox Big Noon in Town, I mean, with 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,719 a prime time slot and the game on Fox, there 54 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,400 is a chance this will be the most watched game 55 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,759 in the one hundred plus year history of Utah BYU football. 56 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:48,439 I think more people will be exposed to this rivalry 57 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:50,960 than have ever been exposed to it before. And there's 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,719 so much on the line. There's always a lot on 59 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:55,520 the line. I mean, these two teams could stink and 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,639 there would be a lot on the line, but they're 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,319 both really good and BYU passed every test that's been 62 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,479 put to them so far. Utah loss to a team 63 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,840 who I think, you know, it's probably time to say 64 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,759 Texas Tech isn't just potentially the best team in the 65 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:11,759 Big twelve, but maybe one of the top five or 66 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:14,639 sixteams in the country. So a lot on the line. 67 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:19,159 Primetime slot night games in Provo are a lot of fun. 68 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,319 That stadium is going to be loud and proud, and 69 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,400 millions of people across the country will be exposed to it. 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,520 So very much looking forward to Saturday night. Compelling, compelling stuff. 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, over the last thirty years, I was kind of 72 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,439 running the numbers, and let's say thirty one years going 73 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,960 back to when Ronnie Mack took over the program at 74 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,719 the University of Utah. Since that moment, the rivalry shifted 75 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 and Utah became the winner of this rivalry. Nineteen wins 76 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,800 for them, twelve losses. So b Wait only has twelve 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,759 wins in that span of time, and most of those 78 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,840 wins came in the independent era for BYU, in the 79 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:59,120 PAC twelve era for the University of Utah, and many 80 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:01,919 of those any of those games, I think we're decided 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,439 by one score, like eight or less points. And so 82 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:10,199 I don't know you mentioned the national coverage of this. 83 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:13,919 I don't know, and you maybe have a better finger 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,600 on the pulse of the national scene a bit because 85 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,600 you've been around, you have many connections around the country. 86 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,160 Do they really know what this rivalry is all about? 87 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,920 The emotion, the religion aspect, the communal aspect of it, Like, 88 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:33,439 do they really know what this rivalry is all about? Spence? 89 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: I don't think you can unless you have lived here. 90 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:43,360 I don't think you can unless you've played in the game, 91 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:47,160 coached in the game, attended one of the schools covered 92 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:52,639 this game. I mean it's I think from a macro standpoint, 93 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,199 people respect it and get that it's heated, But unless 94 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:59,480 you've been in the mix, I don't think there's any 95 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,560 way you POSSI can. I mean, it's it's unique for 96 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,040 me because my grandfather may he Rest in Peace, was 97 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:09,120 a Cougar Club member, and so I started going to 98 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,959 this game when I was two, and you know, throughout 99 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:15,439 the course of my upbringing, even when we moved back East, 100 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:19,759 I made sure to stay locked into this game. I 101 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,800 would stay up until midnight back East, even to watch 102 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,839 BYU and Utah basketball back at Big Mondays back in 103 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,600 the day. Then I moved back out here, I went 104 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,800 to the U. All five of my siblings went to BYU. 105 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:35,040 All five of my siblings met their spouse at BYU. 106 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:38,319 My dad went to both schools, so he'll tell you that, 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,959 you know, he walks the defense. But my parents both 108 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,360 went to BYU. And so I've been either going to 109 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,360 this game, attending this game, or covering this game for 110 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:53,360 basically forty five years. I'll tell you how old I am, 111 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:56,879 and obviously you played. So to answer your question, I 112 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,639 do think from a macro stand, it's respected and it's 113 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,959 understood how big it is by people that cover the 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,240 sport or love college football. But I just don't think 115 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,879 there's any way you can fully understand it unless you've 116 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,360 been in it for a long time. 117 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:17,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm currently trying to pen a piece about this 118 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,040 rivalry game, you know, and how like these different elements 119 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,279 that make it super unique to our community. And coming 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,920 from the state of Arizona, I had no idea what 121 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,399 this rivalry was about until I experienced it for myself, 122 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,399 and I'm gonna try to put it into words. It'll 123 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,399 be interesting to see how it's received. The tribalism, the enmity, 124 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,160 the social comparison, like the competitive comparison culture that we 125 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,199 all fall prey to in our social lives, but how 126 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,160 it leaks over into the gridiron onto the football field, 127 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:50,839 it's truly unique. But Spence, what have you been delving 128 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,040 into as far as your topics are concerned this week 129 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,600 thus far? What have you delved into as far as 130 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,480 from your pulpit, what you've pontificated. 131 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,879 Speaker 2: On how similar these programs are now and how similar 132 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,839 these teams are now and how they want to play 133 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:10,199 the same way. I mean, I started to notice really 134 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,079 a few years back, but it was heightened when Jay 135 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,480 was hired. It was heightened when they hired Jay that 136 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 BYU is now covered on a national scale and written 137 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,800 about on a national scale and talked about on a 138 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,279 national scale the same way Utah is. It's a fast, 139 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 physical defense. The defense is now given the benefit of 140 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:32,839 the doubt at BYU in a way that it wasn't 141 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:34,800 back in the day. And it's not to say, like 142 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:37,279 I had Jim Herman on the show on Monday, defensive 143 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 end for that eighty four national championship team. It's not 144 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,680 to say they didn't have great defenses here or there, 145 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,319 but the defenses were overshadowed by the Steve Youngs and 146 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:49,959 the Jim McMahons and ty deveryn Win's a heisman. I mean, BYU. 147 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Their reputation was great quarterbacks, Lavell the inventor, pioneer of 148 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,160 the modern day forward passing game. And so there were defenses. Certainly, 149 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:02,319 you can't win a national championship or a bunch of 150 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,040 conference championships without great defenses. But now it's like, well, 151 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:09,279 i'll give you. For instance, when the Rex last stuff 152 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:12,160 went down, no part of me thought, Okay, that's a 153 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:15,079 damning piece of info for BYU this year. No part 154 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,399 of me thought that that was going to change the 155 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:19,319 scope of who they could be because I know Jay Hill, 156 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,720 and I know that defensive personnel, and Keanu transfers to BYU, 157 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,519 and you have potentially the best linebacking duo in the 158 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:30,240 Big twelve with Glasker and Kelly. Oh, by the way, Realk, 159 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:32,399 is Jack gonna play? You guys know as Jack playing. 160 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there were flirtations with him playing last week. 161 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,559 I imagine, I imagine he will try to give it 162 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,519 a go. I wonder if he'll be cleared right like 163 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,799 the shoulder injury. Yeah, you know, he could probably play, 164 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:51,279 but there could be contrary indications if he were to 165 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,000 dislocate or injury it again. So I think it'll be 166 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,600 kind of a collaborative effort. But they may, I mean, 167 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,000 the medical staff may just say we're not allowing you 168 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,639 to do this because of long term injury. But you 169 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,039 know Jack's going to try to play obviously. 170 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But back to the point, just really 171 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,559 it's looking in a mirror. You have two dynamic quarterbacks. 172 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,519 You have two dynamic athletes, a quarterback that will run, 173 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,799 and two offensive coordinators that want their quarterback to run. 174 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:28,120 BYU has a bell cow in LJ. Utah splits the 175 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:30,919 carries between the Kari Rodgers and Wahaunt Parker. But it's 176 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,360 funny if you combine the production of Parker and Rogers, 177 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,120 it's pretty close to who LJ is just individually. So 178 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,720 it's you know, the two quarterbacks are going to rush. 179 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:45,799 They've got running backs that will also run the football, 180 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,639 and they want to run. A rod wants to run, 181 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,039 Jason Beck wants to run BYU's offensive line I think 182 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,879 has been better than I thought they were going to be. 183 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,240 In Utah's offensive line is potentially the best in the 184 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:57,840 Big twelve, and maybe one of the top two or 185 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,720 three units in the country there. You know, it didn't 186 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:03,440 used to be like this, But it's like looking in 187 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,320 a mirror, right, I mean, the teams are similar, the 188 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,679 coaching staff across pollination, the Utah lums On BYU staff, 189 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,919 the b YU lums On Utah staff, you know. So 190 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,279 ultimately that's kind of been one of the main things 191 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,799 we've been discussing, just how in the modern day, with 192 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:25,480 Kolani now ten years building this program up, how how 193 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:27,559 similar they are now and that didn't used to be 194 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:27,960 the case. 195 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I called it the Spider Man meme, you know, 196 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,279 because I'm not all that yet, right, but that's what 197 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,960 I see like amongst the that this generation. It's the 198 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Spider Man meme. And in one of the things we 199 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:39,759 delve into, because you really brought up some great points 200 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:43,759 about this mirror of this mirror effect that we're seeing 201 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,799 in the cross pollination, we kind of delved into the 202 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,120 objective metrics of who's the better quarterback leading their respective teams, 203 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:53,799 you know, Devin Dampier or Bear Bachmeyer, and you look 204 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:55,919 up their stats and you're like, oh my gosh, these 205 00:10:55,919 --> 00:11:00,080 guys are the same freaking dude. Objectively speaking on the 206 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,080 statistical outputs, I don't know if you've looked at I 207 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,240 just actually sent you some of the comparative stats. But 208 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,559 you know, who's the better quarterback here? Are they just 209 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:10,080 the same? 210 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's a fair question. And it's interesting because 211 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:21,159 you know Bears as a freshman, he had a couple 212 00:11:21,159 --> 00:11:25,000 of shaky moments against Arizona. That's to be expected. If 213 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:27,200 you're going to go with a true freshman, you're probably 214 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,759 accepting that there are going to be some moments in 215 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,039 big games where he's just going to look like he's eighteen, right, 216 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,639 And and so you know at a Roun on the 217 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,080 show and a Rod's assertion is this is a new 218 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:42,879 challenge for Bear, even if it's if it's at home. 219 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,600 They have not seen a defense like Utahs. They've not 220 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,559 seen a physical team like Utahs. So as far as 221 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,879 who the better quarterback is, I would probably lean Devin 222 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:54,600 a little bit right now, only because he's played more 223 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,639 college football. But there's not a big gap. And if 224 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,600 you're a BYU fan, I think it's really really interesting 225 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,919 to just witness what this young kid will do under 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,039 the brightest lights of his career. By far, and my 227 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,200 trepidation with Devin was can he do what he did 228 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,919 in New Mexico against big twelve defenses? A little nervous 229 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:20,120 about the passing numbers a year ago. You know, it's 230 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,799 interesting to dig into data. You also have to take 231 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,799 into account who these teams have played. So, for instance, 232 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:31,080 like ASU came into saw Lake last week and the 233 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:34,000 data indicated their rush defense was really good, but they 234 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:37,240 were susceptible through the air, and so all week I'm like, well, 235 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,320 Devon's gonna have to throw it twenty five thirty times. 236 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,200 He threw it twelve times. You know, they just lined 237 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:45,120 up across from ASU and just bullied them. And these 238 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:49,480 Utah offensive linemen it's like watching a bar bouncer. They're 239 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,519 picking these defensive linemen up and they're throwing them. Now, 240 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,519 will they be able to do that against the BYU 241 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:59,759 front that is also big, physical and wants to get 242 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:02,000 off the quarterback. I mean it's a I think it's 243 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:06,320 a now. Now, Utah has played a really good football 244 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,240 team in Texas Tech, but the offensive line got handled. 245 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,960 I mean those Tech defensive linemen, those two g NS 246 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,559 or NFL guys, right, So Utah has seen a physical 247 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,960 front didn't pass the test, will be able to pass 248 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,879 the test against a front that's probably more physical than 249 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,080 any team they've played against outside of Tech. This game, 250 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,600 I think will be one lost in the trenches. But 251 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,679 as far as who the better quarterback is right now, 252 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,639 I probably go Devin slightly. But the potential this Bear 253 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:36,679 kid has, I think is through the roof. I think 254 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,480 it should be exciting if you're a BYU fan. 255 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, another thing I debated, and I've pulled up a 256 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,159 number of analytics Sagarin FPI, you know, try to get 257 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,879 a good feel for what the strength of schedule has been. 258 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,639 I didn't find a huge disparity, but let's go with 259 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:55,600 ESPN FPI. Utah is seventy first in the country in 260 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:57,639 their strength of schedule. I found that interesting. In Baus 261 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,480 at eighty fifth, so slightly more difficult schedule, and that's 262 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,480 maybe why Utah is favored going into this game because 263 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,519 of the form and fashion which they've won their slight 264 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,919 in ESPN SP plus from an efficiency metric, I think 265 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,039 Utah is at eighteen and Bous at twenty three. So 266 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,279 all of the data points are like, man, these guys, 267 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,679 these are these guys are the spider Man me. These 268 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,080 these are very similar programs in so many ways, and 269 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,440 I wonder is it a good thing or a bad 270 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,120 thing to have two quarterbacks that don't know anything about 271 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:35,720 this rivalry game, have no idea what they're getting into, 272 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:38,840 they've never experienced, as they're coming from different places on 273 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,919 geographically speaking, from different programs. Is it a good thing 274 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,559 or a bad thing that they don't have that like 275 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:49,440 upbringing with this rivalry lore surrounding them. 276 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:51,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good question. It's a good point 277 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:54,840 and something I've discussed with both Wit and a Rod 278 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:57,759 this week. We're hoping to get Kalanie before the game 279 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,879 because once upon a time, I mean the coaching staff, 280 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:05,519 as we've already discussed, you know, they're familiar because a 281 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:07,600 lot of them either played or coached at the other 282 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:11,840 school that they're coaching against now. But the recruiting footprint 283 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,440 that both these programs have developed, I mean, you just 284 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,240 look at the rosters. It's Texas, it's Florida, it's Carolina. 285 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,360 I mean, it's everywhere. It's all across the country, and 286 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,399 that brings a unique element here as far as how 287 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:29,200 do you approach this week from the standpoint of helping 288 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,399 these players understand the magnitude of this game, or do 289 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,559 you want to lean into that to the point where 290 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,159 it could be too much, And then you get in 291 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,240 their head. Do you like the fact that they're just like, oh, yeah, 292 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:42,440 we're just playing another team this week, and I don't 293 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,159 really know what the answer is. I think that's an 294 00:15:44,159 --> 00:15:49,559 interesting dynamics to consider. For instance, you know, my understanding 295 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,039 of the way Bronco used to coach this week was 296 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,799 simply their nameless, faceless players and it's another game. 297 00:15:56,879 --> 00:15:59,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a John woodwere Roah, he took a 298 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,360 job with the front Yeah that's what he would do. 299 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Whereas Wit it's very clear like, no, we 300 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,440 don't lose to those guys. This is different. So you 301 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,919 run the risk of over hyping it to the point 302 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,200 because these are still young people whose frontal cortex is 303 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,399 still developing. Not to get too deep in the weeds, 304 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,240 but you know, you do not want to overhype a 305 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,720 young person to the point where they freeze when the 306 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:28,080 lights go on. So the balance between yes, this is 307 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,480 a rival and we don't lose to them, and you 308 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:34,639 just still have to prepare the same way this week 309 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:38,720 that's where this chess match between these two coaching staffs. 310 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:40,399 I think it's really really interesting. 311 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,639 Speaker 1: Give me your opinion on the dynamics of how these 312 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:51,679 coaches have, you know, maybe approach this this ribvaly through 313 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,720 how they articulate it. Right, So Kyle Whittingham seems to 314 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,919 be a little bit more like you know, petty, right, 315 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,360 he won't mention the name of BYU won't del then 316 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,799 he doesn't want to and the details you know, called 317 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:04,359 it the in state rivalry for years, and he just 318 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,880 kind of allude to the fact like, oh no, our 319 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,920 rivals are USC now in Colorado and other things, and look, 320 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,319 that's all finding well. But even in there is me 321 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:16,440 recent media press conference, it did kind of oz once 322 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,640 again of that petty competitor that has made him great 323 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,039 by the way, Klania, on the other hand, he's his 324 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,319 jovial self, full of gratitude, full of of kind of love, 325 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 you know, his love and learning mentality. Give me the 326 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,880 dichotomy of these two ways to coach from your perspective, 327 00:17:34,039 --> 00:17:36,200 the good, the bad, the beautiful, the ugly of it all. 328 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,039 Speaker 2: So I don't know this to be true because he's 329 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:43,839 never said this to me, but based off of the 330 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:50,160 way that Kyle approaches this week, I think he I 331 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,880 think he feels like that there are tremendous amounts of 332 00:17:55,079 --> 00:18:00,599 DYU alums BYU fans, BYU people that have never forgiven 333 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,000 him for saying no to his alma mater and saying 334 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:06,960 yes to the rival of his alma mater. You know, 335 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,240 there are stories about his family getting into it with 336 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:14,079 BYU fans. I do. I wasn't there, so I don't 337 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,880 know what happened with his wife and son. It's very 338 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,039 easy to go online and see how many BYU fans 339 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:28,400 have disparaging things to say about Kyle. So he's never 340 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,440 said this to me, so I don't know it to 341 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,440 be true, But based off of his decision to use 342 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,559 some of the language you outlined, I think he's there's 343 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:42,200 a part of him that is either hurt or upset 344 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:44,759 at some of the things that BYU fans have said 345 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:47,440 and done to he and his family. That's my guess. 346 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:50,039 I don't know. Now. On the other side of it, 347 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:52,839 Klanie is just the best dude. He just is Like, 348 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,440 if you don't like Kilanie, it's a you problem, right, 349 00:18:56,079 --> 00:19:00,440 And so that's who he is as a person. That's 350 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,079 who he is as a coach. Now he wants to 351 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:03,920 beat your brains in. Don't get me wrong. I mean, 352 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,119 Colanie is as competitive as anybody between the lines, but 353 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,240 when it comes to the way he just approaches life, 354 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,279 that's just who he is. When Colonie was the defensive 355 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:14,240 coordinator up here, I did a coaches show with him 356 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,519 every week, and so we became friends, and I genuinely 357 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:21,359 feel like Kilanie is somebody who I could call if 358 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,920 I needed to talk to somebody. And when I had 359 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,759 him on the show last month, as he was exiting 360 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:30,920 the interview, he said, Hey, don't forget I love you, bro. 361 00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:33,799 And there's no way Kyle would ever say that to me, 362 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,599 even though I known Kyle forever. You know, It's it's 363 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:43,000 just there's similarities as far as how they believe football 364 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:46,200 should be played. And I'm not saying Kyle is not 365 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,319 a loving, kind person. I'm just saying Colonne is on 366 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,799 a level that most people aren't, let alone, coaches aren't 367 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:56,200 now lost in the whole, like Kyle wouldn't say anything 368 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,799 about Bear. Five minutes later, he gave an affe. You know, 369 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,319 he was praising Colonnie effusively. You know, with a question 370 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,119 he was asked five minutes after that. I can't speak 371 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,480 to why Kyle Whittingham was very willing to break down 372 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:12,480 the game of Sam Levitt and didn't want to hear 373 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,319 anything about Bart. I don't know. I thought that was 374 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,079 a kind of an odd way to approach it. But 375 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,400 if I had to reduce it to one thing, my 376 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,640 guess would be there's a part of him it's either hurt, angry, 377 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:26,119 or whatever at some of the treatment he feels like 378 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,960 maybe he's received from the YU fan base. 379 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think, Look, we're a compilation of our anecdotes, right, 380 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,880 whether we want to believe that or not. In our 381 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,680 confirmation bias typically run strong, you know, and those experience, 382 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,920 those experiences cannot be you know, cast away so easily. 383 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,880 It's just a part of who we are as humans. 384 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 So I think that's point of commentary, and it's probably 385 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:55,839 accurate commentary. And I think from a BAU fan based standpoint, 386 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:58,519 I think the whole empathy of like who that person 387 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:00,880 is and what they've experienced needs to all so be discussed. 388 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,799 Now let me transition to this, and I think we 389 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,559 may have discussed it last time I had you on, 390 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:07,680 but I've gone through this debate in my mind about 391 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,960 the legacy of coywitting him indubitably he is the greatest 392 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,559 University of Utah coach all time? Right, football coach all time? 393 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,039 Is that legacy built more so off of winning the 394 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:26,119 rivalry in a dominant fashion? Or you know, double digit 395 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,039 win seasons, shared Pac twelve titles, you know some remarkable 396 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,960 You know that two thousand and eight season as a 397 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,799 head coach was remarkable, one of their best teams ever, 398 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:38,880 maybe their best team ever, et cetera. Like Where is 399 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,480 it more foundationally built as it pertains to maybe the 400 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,720 consumers right, because the media and the fans ultimately and 401 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:50,559 to a certain degree maybe with the school itself, determines 402 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,079 the kind of the legacy of a coach, I think, 403 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,759 and how they're immortalized. Is it based more so off 404 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,920 of dominating the rivalry game? Or is it built off 405 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:04,319 of the other wins, the double digit win seasons, the 406 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,759 big bowl games that they attended, etc. 407 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: Do you think I think it's a few things. I 408 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:12,920 think you hit a couple of dynamics there that are important. 409 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,960 I think, again, not to overuse the term, but if 410 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,640 I could reduce it to one thing. You know, football 411 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,799 fans in the state of a certain age, namely mine, 412 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,680 our formative years were spent watching BYU kick Utah's head 413 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,599 in every year after Levell took over. I think it 414 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,240 was nineteen and two and twenty one years after Levell 415 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:39,079 took over before Mac took the job. But when even 416 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,279 when Mac took the job and he and Levell became 417 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,559 friendly and they were doing the commercial and Utah was 418 00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:45,279 able to get some wins, I think they won three 419 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:49,680 straight in provo, there still was this feeling that BYU 420 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:53,039 was the better program overall and BYU was kind of 421 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:56,319 like the cooler program overall, right, because they had the 422 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,359 more conference championships, they had Heisman Trophy winners, they had 423 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,440 more NFL plas, and Matt started to change that a 424 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,440 little bit. So when Urban came here, he actually made 425 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,559 Utah football cool in a way that it wasn't prior 426 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:12,559 to him coming here. And that two thousand and four team, 427 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,000 I think two thousand and four is the best team 428 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:16,920 that we've ever had in the state. That's my opinion, 429 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,440 certainly the best Utah team I think by far. My 430 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:23,079 two thousand and eight Utah football friends won't love this 431 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,359 but I think two thousand and four stops him. But 432 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,519 Urban was only here for a moment in time, So 433 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:32,759 there was this seminal moment where Mac lays the foundation, 434 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,200 Urban starts to build the house, but then he leaves, 435 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:39,240 and so then it's like, okay, wait, we had this 436 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,119 two year period where suddenly Utah football was cool and 437 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,799 they were beating BYU and they go to a Fiesta 438 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,160 Bowl and they stomp it and they're undefeated and Alex 439 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,640 Smith is the number one pick in the draft, and like, okay, 440 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,319 Utah Football's pool again. But holy smokes, there's eight moments 441 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:59,200 where you feel like the guy who can continue it 442 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,680 is with But then the job comes open at BYU 443 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,039 and everybody thought he was gone. And I've had a 444 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:09,319 couple like Jim Herman told the story on my show 445 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,640 this week that was wild. Lavelle was being inducted into 446 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,119 the College Football Hall of Fame and Jim met Steve 447 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,799 Young to drive to the ceremony together, and when they 448 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:24,880 were in the car, Witt called them and said, I'm 449 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,599 coming home. I'm taking the BYU job. And they hang 450 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,359 up and they celebrate and like, sweet Kyle's coming back, 451 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,119 you know, because Kyle's the guy that both schools wanted, 452 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,160 and everybody knew that this was the coach, that this 453 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,559 decision was going to be paramount to the direction of 454 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,079 both programs, whatever that meant. And so when Kyle said 455 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,920 no to BYU and yes to Utah, that will endear 456 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,599 him to people up here forever. Okay, and then you 457 00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:58,640 wrap see two thousand and eight is very very key 458 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,920 in this conversation because you know, Cincinnati went to a 459 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,359 CFP a couple of years ago, TC like a lot 460 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,640 of schools Boise State at a moment time, that's a 461 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,640 good program. I'm not trying to diminish, but there are 462 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,400 plenty of schools that can find lightning in a bottle, 463 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,319 plenty of teams and find lightning in a bottle and 464 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,920 maybe have an undefeated season once and then they're back 465 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,079 into the ether and you never hear from them again. 466 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359 The fact that Kyle was able to replicate it in 467 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,200 two thousand and eight and go to a Sugar Bowl 468 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,640 and beat Alabama of all teams, of all programs, and 469 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,839 to beat Alabama and do that again and be the 470 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,799 BCS buster and then you get the Pac twelve invite. Right. 471 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,599 So the two seminal moments that will always, in my opinion, 472 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,480 put Utah football in or trajectory that it took BYU 473 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,440 football a little while to come back from. And they're 474 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,799 there now. Obviously they've won the last two and it's 475 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,440 been four years since Utah one. Are Kyle Whittingham saying 476 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,720 no to his alma mater and yes to the rival 477 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,119 of aolma mater, And then the PAC twelve didn't by 478 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,240 becoming a reality, and then the fact that they went 479 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,880 to two Rose Bulls, I mean lost both of them obviously, 480 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,359 But I can remember the first year in the PAC twelve. 481 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,039 I was doing the show at the time, as you remember, 482 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:15,920 being with Gordon Moson. It was our old show on 483 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,240 the old station, and we had a couple of PAC 484 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:23,279 twelve media members on our show and asked them a question, 485 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,880 how long until Utah goes to a Rose Bowl? And 486 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,599 they both said, like, oh, twenty five thirty years, right, 487 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,200 because so many programs in the PAC twelve had never 488 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,440 even gone. And the fact that it took I don't know, 489 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,400 six seven years, I believe, just to make the Rose Bowl. 490 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,400 Utah football in the Rose Bowl winning PAC twelve championship 491 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,839 sharing Pact twel championships, needing a bunch of things to 492 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,200 go their way, but nonetheless, the final result is the 493 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,440 final result. Just going to a Rose Bowl. You know, 494 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,799 there was an article written up here I think it was. 495 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,440 I think it was the trip that went into just 496 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:02,319 how much free publicity Rose Bull appearances are for the 497 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,960 institution of the University of Utah. It was like thirty 498 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,799 three million eyes on Utah as a school as a 499 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,440 result of the football program, just going to the Rose Bowl, 500 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:17,200 you know. So, Yes, it's two thousand and eight DCS busting, 501 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,480 it's getting invited to the Pac twelve, it's winning at 502 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,039 a high level. But don't underestimate the impact of that 503 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,839 seminal moment when Kyle said no to BYU and yes 504 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,000 to Utah, and what that meant to people up here 505 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,519 that lived a generation of BYU football being better than Utah, 506 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,880 being cooler than Utah, and more or less beating Utah 507 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,440 had to head almost every single year. 508 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:44,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, you know, powerful commentary. I think you're spot on, 509 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,599 And what I'll I'd have wrinkle to it that I 510 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,200 don't know if we'll ever know unless Kyle would speak 511 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,400 to it on record, But I often wonder you know 512 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,680 what Lavelle advised Kyle to do in the those moments. 513 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:05,480 Remember Lavelle was, you know, he you know, I remember 514 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:09,200 hearing you know, mostly rumor, right, and they're from second 515 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,359 hand sources that were like his personal assistant and kind 516 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,599 of our second mom while we were there as BAU 517 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,599 football players. She stated, like, you know, Lavelle had yag 518 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,279 grown tired, but there was kind of a movement in 519 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:27,920 upper campus that disallowed his involvement with mentorship with players 520 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,640 going through maybe honor code or academic issues. Right, what 521 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,920 does a football coach do? You know, you know you've 522 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,440 been coached before, they mentor they advise, they rear you 523 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,240 as an extension of your family. That's what a great 524 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,119 coach is traditionally done. And I wonder if Lavell said, look, 525 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640 this is the state of BYU athletics right now. It's great, 526 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,519 it's marvelous. There's all these special things. But where which 527 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,079 institution is moving in the direction of like high level 528 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:59,839 winning and support institutionally? And I wonder if maybe there 529 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,519 is is a you know, there was something there that 530 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,200 he that that Kyle kind of after discussing it further 531 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,240 with Levell, maybe he decided, Hey, you know, I'm gonna 532 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,000 I'm gonna go to the university. I think it would 533 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,160 be interesting. I don't know if it happened, but I wonder. 534 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,160 I mean, Lavell had to have been consulted in those 535 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,440 moments and his opinion had to have mattered, right. 536 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: That would be my guess. But a couple of things. 537 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,200 I think that in that moment after so after two 538 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,759 thousand and four, when Urban came here and changed everything, 539 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,640 created the muss created language that is still used to 540 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720 this day. Team down South brought a very Michigan, Ohio 541 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:41,920 state feel to it. You know, that two year period 542 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:46,240 cannot go without being talked about and acknowledged in a 543 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,480 very very seminal important way because what that did, in 544 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,960 addition to some initiatives at the university research institutions on one, 545 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,680 Utah football was then on the radar of the PAC 546 00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,559 twelve right in a way that BYU football just wasn't 547 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,839 for a myriad of different reasons that we get into 548 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,319 and I know some people aren't comfortable with the whole like, yeah, 549 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,319 they're just not going to be into a religious school. 550 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:14,960 It's not a cultural fit, it's not a political fit. 551 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:16,799 You can be uncomfortable with it all you want, but 552 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:20,960 that's part of the deal. So I'm sure Kyle saw, 553 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,480 wait a second, there's a chance that we will get 554 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,359 a P five And obviously now it's before, but there's 555 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720 a chance that this could be a P five institution. 556 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,759 And any football coach would know if it's staying in 557 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,240 a Mountain West or going independent as BYU did, or 558 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,319 getting an invite to the PAC twelve. If you're a 559 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,599 coach and you want the best chance to win, and 560 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,920 you want the best chance to make money, let's be honest, 561 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,799 the PAC twelve fit is going to be your preference. 562 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:53,079 And by the way, speaking of money, I'm sure well 563 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,720 I know that there were Utah boosters that in the 564 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,720 twenty fourth hour came to Doc Trail and said how 565 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,920 much is it going to take to keep them? So 566 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,400 there was a check written and and Kyle was paid 567 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000 to coach here in a way that BYU just wasn't 568 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,799 going to pay him. And look, I adhere to the 569 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,960 golden rule. Man, we all know the golden rules. You 570 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,960 know what the golden rule is? 571 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: What is the golden rule? 572 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,559 Speaker 2: Well, we know the classic definition of the golden rule. Right, 573 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,519 do one to other's all that stuff and all that's great, 574 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,000 you should do that. Okay, In fact, this week, let's 575 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,480 all it's all adhere to that golden rule. But the 576 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,079 other golden rule that you learn as you age and 577 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,799 certainly understand this business is the man with the gold 578 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,799 makes the rules. Okay, there's your golden rule. The man 579 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,839 with the gold makes the rules. So the monetary compensation 580 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,599 that went received to stay here is certainly part of 581 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:52,039 the equation, but definitely understanding that the Pac twelve was 582 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,400 a potential reality for Utah football in the way that 583 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,200 it was never going to be for by I mean, look, 584 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,559 Bronco left because he got paid, but he also left 585 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,400 because independence was going to be a really tough route, right, 586 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:08,680 And so I'm sure part of that was steeked in 587 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,759 Kyle's decision making process. Was the Bell involved, I honestly 588 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,160 don't know. To your point, it would be pretty criminal 589 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,279 if you don't kick the tires on what a legend 590 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,880 like that thinks. But it's been interesting, you know, to 591 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,559 have this two decade run with with up here and 592 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,880 to see what he's built, and I think this is 593 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,039 probably it for him, which is another topic we can 594 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,799 get into as you want, but I honestly don't know. 595 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,400 We have to see. 596 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens if Kyle 597 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,440 goes out a winner in this game. I think he 598 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:44,400 retires if he doesn't get a win at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Man, 599 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,559 he could be trying to come back for another one, 600 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,039 to give it one last shot. 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