Speaker 1: Hey, Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: And Martin willis your host, and we got a great
show this evening with Dan Shean's coming in. He said,
he's going to be running a little bit late, so
I'm going to be bringing my good friend Bill Skywitch're
in and we're going to be talking about Pine Bush.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be out of Contact.
Speaker 2: At the Desert, So if you're going to be out there,
I would really love to hang out and maybe you
could be part of one of the recordings that I'm
doing next week. It's going to be some of the
interviews that I'm going to be doing out at Contact
in the Desert.
Speaker 1: Following the week, I'm going to be in.
Speaker 2: Pine Bush at the conference out there. Then that's I'm
going to talk to book a Bill about. So today
we have the blog this week is UFO Photos Taken
by in nineteen seventy seven by a young boy and Indiana.
Speaker 1: That's by Charles Lear.
Speaker 2: A very popular show and Paul Charles was on. There's
a lot of downloads on that, so I'm really glad
that a lot of people have learned to really respect
and like the work that he does on historic UFO cases.
So he's a great guy and glad to have him on.
So we have someone claiming to be Bob Lazaar. Hey,
Bob Lazar, he's just here observing. He's in the chat.
So I thought that was kind of humorous. But with that,
I'd like to bring in. I thought this was.
Speaker 1: Very interesting when George Knapp finally admitted that he doesn't
think that Bob Lazarre's education is legit. I'm just going
to put that in.
Speaker 2: You know, every time I talk about Bob Bazar that
I don't believe his story. Yes, Bob and chat, I
do not believe. He just said, it's good buddy. Contact,
it's good buddy, George Knapp. Yes, Sarie Bob. I think
we had a lou Elisondo in here before and he
spelled Lewis's first name wrong.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 2: But anyway, a little flattery there, I suppose in some ways.
But here it's a clip of George Knapp and I
want you to take a listen to.
Speaker 3: This is pretty interesting identified and we said we could
not verify his background, and I will confide to you this,
I don't believe he ever went to those schools.
Speaker 1: I don't believe.
Speaker 3: Bob Lazar could get a degree from Caltech or MIT
for a very simple reason. At American universities, when you
get a degree, an undergraduate degree, you have to take
all kinds of core courses in subjects that you may
not be interested in.
Speaker 1: Literature.
Speaker 3: I cannot possibly imagine and honor you know, Bob. I
can't imagine Bob Lazar sitting through a class in American
lit or reading poetry or something like that. He'd never
stand for it. There is no way in hell that
he sat through that stuff to get a degree. So
what do we do?
Speaker 1: What do we do with that? Do we throw out
the story?
Speaker 3: Would Here's how I rationalized it is Bob would not
be the first person to lie about his educational credentials
in order to get a good job. As his friend
of a long time, I've given him the opportunity, Bob, look,
come come clean on this. Let me know about if
it's a lie, come clean on it, get it behind you.
And he's never given me that satisfaction of saying, yeah,
it's a lie. He maintains the story. I don't know
what the true story is. Whether they could make his
records disappear. I have found people who said he was
at cal Tech, who said that they remember him being
on the campus. But that's not enough to make the point.
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't
care whether Bob Blazar went to cal Tech. The lie,
the fact that he would lie about it is problematic,
but I don't think it's a reason to toss out
the entire story. Because people do lie about their background
in order to get a great job.
Speaker 2: Well, I personally don't agree with that all the way through.
Oh Bob, he's saying naughty things about George Knapp?
Speaker 1: How about that? But anyway, and that's not a real crip,
that's not a real clip. I like that one.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm not going to go into a lot
of arguing about this, you know. I mean to me,
if someone's going to lie about their education, how can
you believe the rest of it. He wasn't lying to
these people that was trying to get a job George Knapp.
He's lying to us about his education. I don't think
he was lying to those people. Maybe he was, but
he was definitely lying to us. He wasn't trying to
get a job with us. He was trying to prove
to us that he saw alien craft in area fifty one.
What he was doing to us, not for a job,
just to make that perfectly clear. But anyway, I'm going
to bring in my friend Bill here. Bill, welcome, what's happening?
Speaker 1: Nice too?
Speaker 4: And I walk into just now with this Lazar stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if it wasn't for this fake bobless whoops,
I shouldn't have called him fake Bob Bleazar.
Speaker 1: It might be him.
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Bob Blazaar in the chat, you know,
I would I would have been nice and quiet about this.
But anyway, I just thought i'd bring that little clip up.
And by the way, you know, going a little further
on that, you know I have a connection at MIT
that all she does is records, and she can go
back into the records that cannot be expunged. It was
never a Bob Blazar Robert Lazaar in any type of way.
Speaker 1: MIT. So anyway, I know about that.
Speaker 2: I know that you have heard that there's from someone
credible that he's legit, but uh, I'm still not buying it.
I'd have to see id.
Speaker 1: Alright.
Speaker 4: By way, I'm just gonna touch this. I'm just gonna
touch it. I'm not gonna go crazy with this, but.
Speaker 1: I just like what Thomas said, you have to.
Speaker 4: Realize what you were doing as a teenager the ingenuity,
because there is incredible stuff that he was doing as
a teenager. Now, if scientists were let's just say, doing
the same old, same old, they're stuck on a certain
way of looking at things, wouldn't they want a whiz
kid to maybe look at things from outside the box.
Speaker 2: Bring in that type of Yeah, I understand, but listen,
Danny just came in. He's in now, Danny, we can
see you in there.
Speaker 1: Just one minute.
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap this up. Let's talk about I'll be
out at contact next week. Please look me up Martinett
PODCASTUFO dot com. And then the week after I'll be
in pine Bush built real quickly on pine Busch.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna be the keynote. You're gonna be the
mc Mark D'Antonio will be there, Marianne, Rob Dave Rich
looking forward to seeing everybody go to Pine Bush Museum
dot com and we look forward to having you have
a great show with Danny. I am out of here.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Thank you Bill, Danny.
Speaker 1: Well, I can hardly see you, Danny.
Speaker 5: Let me see here. What's happening? Here we go?
Speaker 1: There you are? Hey, how you doing good?
Speaker 5: Yeah? You're doing them back to back today.
Speaker 1: Yes, well you are too, from what I understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I just got off five minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Well, good to see you, and I'll be seeing you
out at Contact in the desert. And uh, last time
we saw each other was in line in Washington, d C.
During the hearing, and that's always You've been to both hearings,
the same as myself, and uh, you know, it's really
I think, uh I felt I don't know how you
feel about it, but the first one just felt so historic,
you know, and the second one was like, Okay, we
did this once already. But the first one just didn't
that seem like amazing.
Speaker 1: The first one, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: A I mean, it's it's amazing compared to what they've
been doing in the past, you know, it's it's minimal
in comparison to what's going to be happening. I mean,
once once the the the forty, you know, eyewitnesses from
deep inside the whole program start coming forward in Congress,
you know, develops the spine to make them public. I
mean that the Senate Intelligence Committees interviewed these people under oath.
You know, they're they've got depositions of them already. They
know what the information is, but they're not they're they're
not telling it to the people, you know, So that
we need to we need to organize the citizens and
make the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate have hearings
revealing what it is they know.
Speaker 2: Danny, once you just said something just now that I
want you to elaborate on as an attorney, as a
powerful attorney that you have been over the years, and
amazing cases involved in in Aaron brock Brockovich and all
kinds of things, but as an attorney when someone if
someone lied like David Grush lied under oath, or any
of the three say in the first rank Graves and
the pilot, I'm just skipping his name right now.
Speaker 1: David Fraver. If any of those people lied under oath
and were caught lying under oath, what would happen to them?
Speaker 5: Well, it isn't. I don't think that's the user because
they that the things that they were saying are not
are not perjury, like for example, the David Gress saying,
look is based on my investigations and discussion with over
forty people, I'm telling you that I believe that we
have you know, one or more non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft.
You know, when you look at that from a lawyer's
point of view, you know that he's not declaring he
he's not declaring that he knows it to an absolute
certainty himself. He's not saying that he's laid his hands
on the craft. He's not, you know, interviewed. Now, on
the other hand, you have Jay Stratton in this new
upcoming documentary called The Age of Disclosure, right on camera
saying I have been in the room with a non
human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft, and I have seen with my
own eyes an extraterrestrial non human being. But he's not
under oath, I see ye, And he's not testifying to
a you know. So the question arises, why hasn't the
House Oversight Committee or the Senate Intelligence Committee called Jay
Stratton into a public hearing and have him say that
under oath so that they can't keep shilly shally in
around and saying, well, we've never been told by any
first hand withess that he's actually seen one of these
extraterrestrial beings, or that he's actually been in a room
with what he knows to be an extraterrestrial spacecraft, you know.
And the question we have to ask, why aren't they
doing that? You know? And so the answer is because
the problem is that our democratic system as is presently operating,
are still under the domination of a national security state.
The national security state. People still frightened. The members of Congress,
just like Vin, Senator Frank Church chaired the Select Committee
on Intelligence Abuse and pressed the CIA and started revealing
the fact that they were smuggling drugs, they were assassinating people,
et cetera. He was out of office the very next
time because millions of dollars of money mysteriously came in
through the South African Bank out of the Newganahan Bank
from Australia and into his campaign revealing the fact that
he supported the Equal Rights Amendment. You know, this is
this is an activity of our national security state. These
are the people that you know that we granted the
privilege inappropriately in my opinion, to be able to do
these things abroad, theoretically for the protection of our American
people and they've brought it home and they're using these
weapons against our own people, and so the Congress is
afraid of them. And so what we've got to do
is we've either got to put people into Congress who
are not afraid of these people, or we've got to
get these people who are in there to stop being
afraid of these people. And that's that's our job as citizens,
because they know in the national security state, people know
that ninety five percent of all the people in the
country don't even pay attention, you know, to these things.
They don't exercise their democratic rights. They vote, you know,
once every four years, you know, when there's a presidential election.
You know, it drops, it drops down to thirty three
percent of the people or something vote you know in primaries,
you know, and they they let they let the government
be run by somebody else, and somebody else is now
a national security state, you know, and so we see
them doing things and people are now getting distressed over
the fact that has come to full fruition, you know,
where we have an authoritarian, dictatorial type government in place
right now and people are going, well, well, you know,
the national security state people support them. So that's that's
the problem. Martin. Now, fundamental problem that we've got.
Speaker 2: Back to the Schumer rounds, that that bill that was
trying they were trying to push Sue. Do you think
they went a little too far when they were trying
to do with the eminent domain? Do you think that
was the thing that was too far that made everybody go, WHOA,
you're not getting your hands on this.
Speaker 5: No, it didn't make everybody go wild. It made the
aerospace corporations go, well, you know, and then what they
started doing is spending millions of dollars because they're bribing
congressmen and senators out. They're bribing them, They're giving them
tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars in
campaign page. This is not I mean, this is not
rocket science here, you know. I mean, you pay somebody
hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and they say,
you either vote for protecting this secrecy and let me
get a private patent on this technology so I can
make billions of dollars, or else, you know, we're going
to throw you out of office. And that's what they're doing.
And they're they're cheek by jowel with the national Security State,
you know, and they're providing the military equipment for the
National Security State in the National Security State are providing
the tens of billions of dollars in contracts to them.
Is this entire symbiotic relationship just exactly what Eisenhower warned
everybody about, you know, back in nineteen sixty is a
farewell speech. He said, you know, look at and he
was being gracious. He said, you know, whether intended or not,
you know, you have to be careful of them acquiring
this this extraordinary power, whether intended or not. He knew
perfectly well that it was intended. You know, this isn't
an accident that these people have come to power the
way they have, and we've got to do something about it.
We've got to take advantage of the fact that ninety
nine percent of the people in the country want to
know about the UFO stuff, that ninety five percent of
the people in the company want to know that there's
an extraterrestrial civilization coming and going from our planet. They
want to know what those people know, what kind of
technologies they have, what kind of progress we can make
in medical terms and stuff. You know that we want
to know that we feel that we're being deprived of
important information and not only that we're being lied to,
I mean lied to actively by the national security state.
Speaker 2: Do you think it would be and partial of the
possibility of weaponizing some type of reverse technology in some
type of way and like a power a power grab,
for say, if it's our country that has these things
trying to get kind of like nuclear arms in a way,
trying to get that head on, you know, the powerful
whatever it is, you know, for our average against our
adversaries as a threat of some kind.
Speaker 5: Well, sure, I mean the problem is that our national
security state people are actively engaged in basically shooting down
UFOs to try to get their hands on the technology
so that we I say we they the national security
state people, can back engineer the technology into making a
whole new generation of webs so that they can establish
full spectrum military dominance over the planet. We know that
from the nineteen ninety two United States Defense Department of
Policy Planning Guidance Document that when we finally persuaded Gorbachev
to dissolve the Soviet Union to step back out of
the arms race with the United States back out of
the Cold War, what happened is the George Bush senior administration,
and Dick Cheney, who was the Secretary of Defense, he
and Paul Wolfowitz, his deputy, convene a meeting and say, oh, good,
look at it. We've gotten the Soviet Union to back out. Now,
so let's us establish full military dominance over the planet.
Let's take advantage of the fact that they've stepped back
and not cut back on our military budget that we've
been justifying for the last eighty years on the grounds
that we keep saying the Soviet Union is going to
be attacking us coming across the polar ice caps. You know,
now that they've dissolved themselves in actively stepped out of
the entire race against us, you know, what do we do.
We step into the breach and say we want to
establish full spectrum dominance over the planet. And this is
a matter of record. This is in the nineteen ninety
two United States Defense Department Policy Planning Guidance document. And
so that they flat out said what they're doing, you know,
and so that we know that the national security state
has risen to power in our country right now, and
they are the ones, they are the ones that have
been lying to us for eighty years about this technology,
because they've been trying to figure out how to back
engineer this technology to give them a special, new, complete
and total dominating advantage over every other nation state in
the world. Okay, so, and it says right in the document,
so they can maintain our continued privileged access to the
strategic raw materials needed by our major industries.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 5: You know. Wow, you know, there's a there's a really
great motive. You know, that's something we really get up
out of bed every morning to be applying your trade
to you know, but we don't agree with that. That
is not what our country, our democracy is supposed to
be engaged in right now.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's you know, uh, some some could
say there's a lot of recent corruption, but I would
say that there's been corruption for a long time. And
we like to think about our country, the US as
as we're here, like we like to think we're the good.
Speaker 1: Guys or whatever. But there's corruption. There's corruption.
Speaker 2: There's been corruption for a long time, and you know,
maybe not as bad as some of these other countries,
you know. I mean I know firsthand through people about
Russia and their corruption just from a connection that I
had there, you know, a number of years ago.
Speaker 1: But but still we have it.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's maybe dressed a little differently, you know,
but we do have it in different in different ways.
And like you said, campaign contributions to the lobbying system,
these are all things. The lobbying system is great when
it's used properly, but not for the way it's used anyway.
Speaker 5: When you bring in when you bring in, it used
to be you bring in a bag full of cash
of one hundred dollars bills and put it on their
table and say, here, I want you to vote for
something that's going to increase my profits by millions of dollars.
You know. Somebody used to commun slap handcuffs on you
and throw you in jail, you know, and now they're
doing it right out in the open, you know. I mean,
just like the last interview I saw, they said, oh
wait a second, Uh, don't you think that the the
you know, the president in this case Trump, you know,
offering to sell a cryptocurrency of it with his face
on it, uh, you know, and getting hundreds of billions
of dollars of people money to him, you know, and
using the White House from in which to do it,
you know, and then showing him around the top investors
in his private financial coin money coming into his pocket,
you know, and he gives them a private tour of
the White House and is a reward for it, and
you know, and the and the argument that his supporters
are making is, oh, he's doing it right out in front.
He's not, he's not sneaking around about it. You know.
I'm not sure whether I'm not sure whether that's good
news or not. You know, he's doing it right in
your face, you know, in the in the this this
this type of corruption is a very special kind of
corruption that this isn't just you know, people taking money
under the table. What what this is is the attempt
of the private major banking institutions and major stockholders in
the major corporations that own and control the major resources
in our country, dating all the way back to the
robber baron Europe. You know, that they've joined together, and
what they've said is that, you know that we are
going to control the government. We are going to make
the decisions of the government. Uh and now we're going
to give you know, a tax break to the richest
one percent of the people in the country, you know,
and people are all going, oh, I'm not sure that's fair.
You know, but wait till it starts to bite. Way
do they start to lose their health coverage? Way do
they start to lose their social security? Way do they
start to lose their the education of their kids? You know,
that type of corruption is going to be recognized. But
the kind of corruption that's involved in keeping secret the
UFO secrets is a much deeper level. And that is
that is this whole kind of common agreement that they've
made that it's okay for our national security state apparatus
to establish full military very dominance over the planet. And
that's okay. You know that our we have eight hundred,
eight hundred foreign military bases of the United States all
over the world.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that many.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, you didn't. I know, we're well informed,
but wow, is it is that many? Eight hundred US
military bases all over the world. You know, we have
our budget, our annual military budget is bigger than the
top other ten countries in the entire world. And that
includes Russia and China and India in France and you
I mean, and people just sit back and don't quite
notice what's going on, you know. I mean it's like
living in Rome and not notice noticing that they're an empire.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, we got some people are going
to be posting questions here and there. So a question
for you is, do you think this will finally be
this summer of disclosure and he wants to thank you
for your legendary work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, not the summer, you know, I mean
that that you know, we'll we'll get in mid July.
In mid July, we will get the United States Senate
to reintroduce the sixty four page you know, former Senate
Bill two two two six, which is the Schumer Rounds Bill. Oh,
I hope, So that will get that will get passed, uh,
and it will go into the National Defense authors you'll
go into the management Package. They call it. The management
package is what the leadership of the Republican and Democratic
Party leaders in the Senate agree they're going to put
into the National Defense Authorization. Okay, and they'll agree to
do that because the leadership in both political parties agree
that they want to do this, okay. So that'll come
in and then it's going to go over during the
August break is going to go over to the House side. Now,
we've already succeeded in getting rid of Michael Turner, who
was the Republican head of the House Intelligence Committee. He
is from the home district of the right Patterson Air
Force Base in Ohio, and they've got a whole collective
of these aerospace corporations gathered all around Wright Patterson who
are just hogging out at the troth, you know, to
get at money to help back engineer this technology of
the UFOs. And that's one of the bases where it's
centered of what they're doing there, and that's his home base.
So that he was just completely out of control in
stopping that bill from getting passed last year. He doesn't
understand that there's been a decision made on the part
of major forces in our country to get this information revealed.
He doesn't understand it. So he was completely out of step,
and so he's bounced. He's out now. Frenshaw is the
is the fellow that's in there now from Missouri. So
we are in the process of sharing information with his staff,
getting him and understand how important this is, what the
alternative technologies are that are available here. What the alternative
options are for energy that we have. You know, we're
sharing this information with him, uh and so that we
know that there are certain Democrats, Gonzales for example, who
will introduce the bill, you know, the Senate bill over
on the House side, But the Republicans don't care about
anything any Democrats put in because they're in charge over there.
So what we've got to do is try to get
a major Republican member of the House of Representatives to
champion the Democratic the the excuse me us Senate bill
that is passed by the Republican Senate when it comes
over to them during the August break. When they come
back from the August break in early September, they need
to take up the vote. We need to have by
that time, by the first of September, by Labor Day,
we have to have persuaded some influential members of the
House of Representatives to co sponsor the Senate bill over
on the House side and to get that passed. Even
if we were to get this passed, there's still another
process that needs to take place. It's not going to
happen all this summer. The fact of the matter is
that even if we get it passed. It isn't going
to pass until December, December twenty second, to be exact.
You know, they're going to vote on the National Defense
Authorization Act. And if we succeed in getting the House
of Representatives to approve the Senate bill, which is going
to get passed, if we can get them to do that,
then what's going to happen is the National Defense Authorization Act,
which will contain this sixty four pages, will pass, and
then what will happen is the President will receive from
us the new Paradigm Institute and others who have been
authorized to nominate people to this nine person panel that
is called for by the Senate bill to establish a
nine person board of Review who will review all of
the information that is in the possession of the United
States Government which has already been ordered to be gathered
and prepared to be handed over to the National Archives.
We succeeded in getting that done. Back in twenty twenty three,
there's a twenty three page bill that was passed by
the House of Representatives ordering all six of our military services,
all eighteen of our United States Intelligence agencies, and all
thirty two of our United States Defense Department Agency they're
in possession of information about UFOs and the non human
intelligence or ets that are responsible for them. They've already
been their understanding orders to gather all of that together
and prepare to hand it over to the National Archives.
That they will be required to have completed that job
by September thirtieth. Okay, so that's still not in the summer,
so it's not the summer of disclosure, but that information
is required to be prepared for handing over to the
National Archives as of September thirtieth this year. Now, the
problem is the House of Representatives has changed the language.
The Senate language required them to turn it over immediately
to the National Archives. The House of Representatives, not surprisingly,
had changed the language to say that they're required to
turn it over to the National Archives as soon as possible.
And the problem is they've all gone into these fits
now about how hard it is to do it all,
and you know, my mother's horse died and somebody's billed
ink on my homework, you know, and they're going through
all this kind of rasthmatasm. We're declining to do this
right now, and so that we've got to they're betting
on they're betting on or basically they're betting against the
citizens of the United States. They're betting that our citizens
will not rise up and call them on this and
demand to stop making fools out of us, all by
changing the language in the House side and then refusing
to comply, you know, with handing it over to the
National Archives. But if we can get that bit of
the language changed, if we can get the Senate bill
adopted in its entirety so that they're required not only
to gather together all the information by September thirtieth, but
they're required to turn it over immediately to the to
the National Archives, then we will take the steps of
nominating people to this this nine person panel. That the
New Paradigm Institute is one of the groups that are
going to be nominating nine people. The Majority and Minority
leaders of the House and Senate are going to be
nominating nine people, The head of the National Archives is
going to be nominating nine people. And so that there
are a handful of us that are going to be
making these nominations. But the fact of the matter is,
even under the Senate bill, the President Donald Trump gets
to decide who he wants to appoint to that board, okay,
And so that he does that and then it has
to go over to the Senate for approval, okay, and
almost certainly the Senate will approve virtually anybody that the
President nominates. What we're hoping is the President is going
to appoint people who are in fact nominated by the
House and Senate, you know, and by and by us
a limited number of public citizen organizations who have been
authorized to nominate people. Okay. Now, we would like to
have it be that the that the president is going
to appoint the people we nominate, but it's much more
likely he's going to appoint whoever he wants to, you know.
And as long as he doesn't appoint his two sons
and daughter you know, to the to the committee, you know,
or you know, somebody who is you know, a Fox
News correspondent, you know, as long as he appoints people
who are responsible, uh and and are in favor of disclosure,
you know, then the president has got to there's a
period of time, and it's set forth in the statute,
going back and forth him nominating in the Senate approving
just like just like a Supreme Court justice. You know,
that the process is putting together this nine person panel,
and then this panel is going to be drafting per
the bill is going to be drafting a UFO controlled
disclosure campaign plan. This says that, okay, and the statute
has a seven year sunset clause, so that all you
have to do is be able to read a statute
and say, ah, look what they're talking about. They're talking
about doing this process over a seven year period, so
that it's not going to be the Summer of disclosure
where they're going to go boom and they're going to
give it all to us. You know that this is
going to be a seven year process, a pursue into
which they will roll out this information seriatum. At the
same time, the long delayed efforts to start adjusting our
human institutions on our planet to be able to absorb
this information taking place. That's another one of the things
our new Paradigm Institute is doing that no one else
is doing, because they're all waiting to see whether or
not they're actually going to divulge the information. And they're saying, look,
it's no use wasting our time figuring out how to
respond to the divulgence of this information Until we know
they're going to do it now, that doesn't seem rational
to us at the New Paradigm instut We think we
ought to be prepared for this, you know. We we
think we ought to figure out how we're going to
adjust our financial institutions, you know, our other economic institutions,
our basic religious institutions, you know, our universities. How are
we going to what kind of courses are we going
to have to have teaching our next generation of students,
you know, in our entire human family about how to
absorb this information. They're going to have to be whole
majors in courses on how to do that. You know.
Speaker 1: So, I don't think a lot of people have thought
about this.
Speaker 5: They haven't thought about that. Ye're they're thinking, that's why
the New Paradigmst. Dude is doing it. Say, look at
we know that it's true. We know they've got the information,
we know they've given it to the Senate. We know
the Senate has the information, we know that they've agreed
to pass the bill. We know that we can get
it passed eventually through the House, and so that why
postpone doing this? This is this is like being a
bad student, like you know, waiting until a week before
the finals to start reading the material.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that would be me.
Speaker 5: It's a bad it's a bad student, you know. Uh.
And so that we ought to we ought to be
wise about what we're doing here. We know that the
civilization exists, we know they're coming and going from our planet.
We know that they have bases here on our planet.
And it's almost certain, though we're not totally certain yet,
that that that the National Security State people must have
established some sort of line of communication with them. There
have to be at least some protocols that are in place,
you know, and there needs to be steps taken. Some
steps have been taken, I assume by the extraterrestrial people
to try to deter our National Security State from shooting
them down like they've been doing, you know. I mean,
we're fortunate that they haven't responded, you know, in some
kind of violent way. And so what they've done is
they've just refused to come when they try to lure
them in, you know. And and you know, you raise
the issue of the the SkyWatch people or people do say, oh,
you know that the SkyWatch people are now reaching out
directly to them and inviting them to come in so
they can show that they're really here. The problem is
that's all being financed privately by investors, not public interests.
It's not a five oh one C three. It's a
private for profit, you know, funding a group of investors.
Say what do they or do they think they're purchasing here?
You know, they're gonna they're gonna try to get patents
on the technology, you know, And so that we the
people that the way this ought to be treated is
just like with Franklin Roosevelt. You know, at the end
of the depression, he had the rural Electrification program that
there was federal tax money paid to figure out how
to establish electric power lines to get to the people
that lived in the countryside, you know, and all of
that was funded by the by the United States taxpayers.
And the same thing with building the highways. You know
that the highways aren't owned by private you know, toll companies.
You know that they're there, they were built, they were
financed and built by our tax money, you know. And
the fact of the matter is that's the way we
have to treat this technology. This technology, it needs to
be available for everybody, okay. Uh. And so the whole world,
our whole human family has to has to gain from
getting this information, not just a tiny few aerospace corporations
that are going to make trillions of dollars by owning
the technology and licensing it back to the government that
actually captured these craft and are giving them to them.
You know, that's a terrible business.
Speaker 2: Plan, it is, but it's so powerful, you know, the
power behind companies like this is, as you know, is tremendous.
Speaker 1: Would you mind silencing your phone?
Speaker 2: Just yeah, oh, it's it's in another location. Sorry, yeah, okay.
So here's a question up here, and this is interesting.
I've seen this, uh put out out there and it's
a question. I don't know if you can still hear me. Yeah,
it's on the thank you for doing that. The bog
I don't know how you spell the buga sphere found
in Columbia, and uh, you know, I've I've seen some
images of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, here's a not a very
good image of it. But it's interesting they're saying there.
Speaker 2: There's some type a lot of debates about it, whether
it's really something or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've looked into any of that.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I am. You know, I just I just talked.
I just talked this morning with HAIMI. That's Heimie holding
it that you see right there. Yeah, okay, yeah, that
the the instant that happened. Uh. Jimi called me, uh
and we discussed this, and I agreed that it was
worthy to go and check it out. He went to
Columbia right away and secured it. Uh. They've been, they've been.
I've asked them to be careful not to not to
engage in any type of experimentations with it that could
in any way damage the device. Uh. They've taken X
rays of it, MRIs. They are doing all kinds of
efforts try to see what's in it. Uh. He has
told me that there's there's fiber optic technology inside the device.
The device was was video flying around is on video phones.
He has secured copies of the videos. Uh, and he
has the device. You know, I recommended right he called
me right away, and I recommended that he get in
touch with Gary Nolan at Stanford University, who has the
kind of scientific instrumentalities capable of evaluating at sub atomic levels, uh,
the makeup of the material of which it's made. UH
and and can figure out ways of seeing inside the device,
et cetera. Uh, that Jimi was concerned about trying to
bring the the the ball, you know, through customs into
the United States. He was afraid that it could be impounded,
you know, even for potential national security reasons.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's pretty legitimate worry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so and so see so that you know,
I mean that it's now that as you see the
shote of it, that that's no known language, those kind
of symbols and stuff that are all around the edge
of it, that that does not even does not look
like the same kind of symbols that I saw on
the bottom of the the the dome of the saucer
that I saw back in nineteen seventy someth This is
something different, you know, And there's there's no telling exactly
what this is right now. But Haimi has it that
I've been consulting with him. He's been extraordinarily careful to
maintain the chain of custody on this so that we
know that no one else is getting access to it.
He keeps a close record of anybody who's been near it.
That that that Haimi had asked Gary Nolan to come
down to Mexico to to to investigate it down there.
But you know, but the fact is, the equipment that
Gary would need to analyze it his back to Stanford,
it's not exactly portable, you know, this type of equipment
it's necessary to do this. So we're going to get
this worked out and get this brought to him in
the same same way that there's now been some very
major work done on some of the other artifacts that
have been found. You have the mummies that were down
in Ecuador that they've done all kinds of MRI investigations
of those, They've been doing genetic uh uh examinations of
the genetic material of those mummies that have been recovered. Uh.
There are these stones that have been recovered that are
down in Mexico that have uh carvings that have clear
like et beings on them and and saucers UFOs, you know,
and that there's a lot of major scientific work that's
being done on those things that our new Paradigm Institute
is involved in attempting to facilitate completely professional, totally objective
examinations of these things to get out in a way
from just wild rumors flying everywhere and we will exercise
great care over this and make this information available. And
you know, we're going to be extremely careful about what
it is that we affirm or endorse, because many people
are going to be relying upon the New Paradigm Institute
as a reference for being able to conclude what is
realistically true about these things, not just these these artifacts,
but all kinds of stuff. You know, I'm going to
be going and interviewing a person who asserts quite convincingly
so far that he was one of the people that
was present at the Trinity crash in nineteen forty five.
That we've now we now know where he lives. He's
living with his daughter here in the United States. We're
going to go and be interviewing him. So this is
what the New Paradigm Institute is doing, and we're trying
to do it in cooperation with all of the other
citizen groups with MUFFAN, you know, we're in close collaboration
with the people at the UFO contacting the desert people there.
And we just had a meeting today of sixteen different
organizations that had a long hour and a half zoom together.
How we're going to coordinate and cooperate here to try
to give the kind of support to the people in
Congress that need to have it to be able to
get these bills passed and to get this process underway.
But at the same time, as you point out, we
need to have somebody figuring out what the chain ages
are that we're going to have to make in our culture,
you know, and our religions. You are going to have
to have somebody that's in communication with Leo, you know,
the fourteenth to have them discuss what it is they're
going to be doing. You can you can bet that
the people over there are already in discussions about what
to do if the United States passes this law and
starts a process of disclosure that the Vatican is going
to have to respond to this. They're going to have
to consider, you know, updating a lot of their theology
to to take into account this dimension of reality that
they have not yet done. So this is an extraordinarily
exciting period, Martin. I mean, this is this if we
can get if we can get the National security state
boot you know, off our next here and and keep
them from trying to transmute this extraordinary opportunity into this
potential for terrible disaster, you know, by by poisoning our
relationship with the extraterrestrial civilization. You know, we're we're in
the process right now having to establish the protocols to
pursue it to which we're going to be conducting our
relations with this extraterrestrial civilization for the next ten thousand years.
I mean right now. I mean this in this five
to seven year period that we're in right now, you know,
and so that we've got to take seriously what's happening here,
because people, you know, five hundred years from now are
going to look back at this particular time and say,
how responsible were you about figuring out these protocols and
protecting our agency, protecting our human rights in the face
of this new civilization. We don't want to be like
that little eye in the South Pacific back in nineteen
fifty five that didn't know there was a world outside
of their island, and as soon as they got discovered,
you know, within the months, their entire civilization collapsed because
they had they had not been able to accommodate this
massive influx of new technology and information. We can allow
that to happen in the National security State is trying
to threaten US, you know now, threatening to put people
in prison if they talk about this, even threatening to
potentially kill people to keep this secret, all under the
auspices of the fact that somehow the Russians are going
to find out national security.
Speaker 2: I want to play a clip for you. I think
you'll really like it a lot. Now, this was I
recorded this at the first hearing. But before I want
to also say I do want to talk about what
Kevin Wright wrote that the disinformation paper. We'll be talking
about that next. But I want to run this clip
for you because I turned around at the hearing and
I saw this father, father Gray was his name, and
I recorded this little clip right here.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you so much for being willing.
Speaker 2: To talk absolutely, and I'm sorry to the listeners for
the background noise here.
Speaker 1: Nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 6: So your name, please, name is father Matthew Gray.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you. And I wanted to
find out why are you here at the UAP hearing.
Speaker 6: Because if this is true, which I personally believe it
is true, this is life changing. This is this is
something that is not an American issue. It's it's a
global issue. It's a human issue. And truth is truth.
Truth needs to be known as much as anything else.
Speaker 5: We have a right to know.
Speaker 6: And you have kind of delve into the implications of it.
And this affects everything.
Speaker 2: Right, And so I know you're not speaking for the church.
Speaker 6: Right not to speaking for the church. Just came here
on my own volition. Cad of course, got the priest
and I wanted to know more about Yeah, there, and.
Speaker 2: What do you think about what the Pope has said
over the years about the possibility of extra trustrial life.
Speaker 6: The Church has always been open to it. Anything that
exists was exists because God created, So why would he
not have created non human intelligences other than ourselves. You know,
it further shows his goodness, his creativity, and the goodness
of God. So the Church has always been open to
the possibility. In fact, Hope, Saint John Paul the Second
was doing an interview, you know, a greeting line. A
little girl came up to him and she asked him
straight out, Holy Father, do aliens exist? And he could
have said no, he could have said, oh, that's silly,
but he just stopped what he was doing, turned to
the little girl and said, don't ever forget if they're
created by God and.
Speaker 5: Should be loved.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I thought that's beautiful.
Speaker 6: That's thee essence of Christianity, right, It's essence of our
faith to love one another and to treat each other
with respect. Yeah, so I think that was I'm looking
forward to the church going talking out more openly, especially
as we ourselves are about.
Speaker 1: Now the observatories.
Speaker 2: The Catholic Church has amazing observatories too, one in Rome.
Speaker 1: And one of the United States.
Speaker 2: And do you know anything about have you ever ever
heard anything about? I forget the name of the Father,
that's the astronomy.
Speaker 1: Forget his name too?
Speaker 6: Is two thousand and six and twenty sixteen, two different
statements that they came out about. You know, if aliens
do exist, then that just further shows God's creativity.
Speaker 1: And his goodness.
Speaker 6: You know that it is possible, so it does not
rule that out at all.
Speaker 2: And I think there was something about baptizing them too.
Did I hear that one?
Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that one.
Speaker 1: That would be interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. It's a pleasure of meeting you,
and thank you for coming. And I'm glad you have
the curiosity.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, stay curious and thank you for asking you back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right at the very end, you see lou Alizonda walking
over to coffee. But what do you think about you know,
I mean, he shows that they're at least open minded too,
you know, the possibility, and you know, he kind of
says that, you know, the Catholic Church is more or
less open to the possibility that you know, God created
and so I think, you know, I think, you know,
you mentioned this about religions and I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think maybe in some religions, but not so much.
Probably the Catholic religion may be one of the ones
that may accept more than others. I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 2: They seem to be aware that there's a possibility of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, the fellow whose name he couldn't remember is
jose gablerel Funez. Okay, thank you for that friend of mine.
He is he is the he was the head of
the Papal Observatory. He is the one who issued the
statement on behalf of Pope Benedict the sixteenth on the
November tenth of two thousand and nine. Actually the much
more fulsome quote of saying that in light of the
discovery of more and more of these new exo planets.
It has now become clear that much sooner than had
been previously anticipated, life is going to be discovered elsewhere
in the universe, and therefore the time has arrived to
commence the important conversation about the profound philosophical and theological
questions that are opposed to our human family by the
discovery of life elsewhere in the universe. So I took
advantage of the fact that I'd been the Chief Council
of the United States Jesuit headquarters in their National Social
Ministry Office for ten years and contactedse Gabriel Funez. Immediately
flew to see him and sat down, and then we
started to discuss this, and within two minutes he said, look, Danny,
let's be clear. You know, we're not talking about discovering
some single cell life form under some frozen sea, you know,
on some distant moons circling a planet in some far
distant star systems. We're talking about another highly intelligent, highly
technologically developed, but distinctly non human species right here in
our Milky Way galaxy. That's what he said. So I mean,
that is what they know, you know, I mean, and
they know what's going on. I mean, this is an
extraordinarily sophisticated group, the Jesuits, more so than most of
them in the Catholic Church. That's why I was there,
you know for ten years from nineteen seventy five to
nineteen eighty five, you know, and I know that they're
the ones that authorized me to serve as special counsel
to the investigation that was asked.
Speaker 7: For by President Carter, you know, back in nineteen seventy seven.
So we know, we know that this is real, and
the tactical question about how we go about revealing this
to people in a democracy should not be under the
control of the national security state.
Speaker 5: You know. They have they have a certain prism or
lens through which they see everything. I mean, that's their job.
I mean, that's what they're assigned to do. So we
have to get control of this and get it into
the hands of Congress right away.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I want to say goodbye to everyone
over at KGRA Radio. Thanks so much, And next week
will be several interviews. I have a bunch of them scheduled,
so I'm not really sure how I'm going to work
all that in, but but we'll be back next week
with probably Ross Coldheart and Ben Hansen and a few
others like that. So thanks so much over at KGr
Radio and see you next week.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to continue on a little bit. So
let's talk about I saw first I saw on Twitter
this paper that I'm going to pull it up here.
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, that's one wet we put out from the
New Paradigm Institute. Right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Looks like someone put a lot I know it was
Kevin who actually put a lot of work into this, right,
that's right. Yeah, And Kevin's been on the show a
few times. He's a great guy, real positive person to
have with you.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 2: Now, let me just try to expand this out a
little bit. I don't know if I can really do that,
but I will try. And so let's kind of go
over what this is about and all that. Let me see,
I don't know if I can do this, but anyway,
this here's the abstract here. I'll have this down in
the show notes as well. This is a PDF that's
actually online. And do you want to just quickly, you know,
touch on exactly what you have.
Speaker 5: What this is is a primer basically for American citizens
who aren't familiar with all of this. This has been
the substance of what I've been working on for fifty years,
you know, of all this information about the history, the
now undisputed history of the activities on the part of
the National security State to lie to us and to
manipulate the news. Not that this isn't an attack on
the news media, it says, it's a it's a criticism
of the National security State infrastructure, the Central Intelligence Agencies
operation as a directorate to be specific, you know, working
in joint harmony with the Joint Special Operations Command of
the Pentagon. You know that they've engaged in a series
of programs of generating active disinformation. That's what they call it.
That's the euphemism for big fat lies. That they just
flat lie, you know, and that there's as you see,
a deliberate and strategic distortion of facts. That's another euphemism
for a big fat lie, you know. And that and
that's what they're doing. And they've been engaged in big
fat lies about the UFO issue ever since nineteen forty seven,
you know, when they flat out lied and said that
they had not recovered a UFO, that it was a
crash weather balloon, and then when the American people weren't
really buying that and kept on reporting seeing these UFOs
landing in their back art and in their fields and
being abducted by them and having direct contact with them.
Finding the the the United States National Security State said, okay,
so we're going to put together a panel of independent experts,
you know, and we're going to have a completely independent,
objective investigation undertaken. And now, through the work of people
such as the Richard Dolan, for example, in his two
volume work called UFOs in the National Security State, he
has gotten through the Freedom of Information Act and direct
previously top secret classified documents showing that there was a conscious, intentional,
willful program of lying that was set up, you know,
in the Robinson Panel and in Project blue Book and others,
you know, actively utilizing the tactics that were developed by
the National Security State to deceive our ostensible adversaries around
the world, utilizing against the American public, actively lying about
this and then using the excuse of, oh, well, we
had to lie to our American people in order to
keep the information from being made available to our adversaries.
I mean, this is this has been going on for
decades now, you know, for eighty years have they been
doing this? And even when they came to the end
of the Cold War, and when Garbagechop explicitly agreed to
withdraw from the Cold War and agree to disassemble the
nuclear warheads that their entire arsenal if the United States
would do the same. You know that the administration of
George Bush Senior, you know, with his Secretary of Defense,
Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby and that
whole crowd inside the Defense Department, they immediately rejoiced and said, good,
now we can establish full spectrum military dominance over the
whole planet. And they actually said it. They had the
nineteen ninety two United States Defense Department Policy Planning Guidance document.
It was a top secret document where they were rejoicing
over the fact that they were going to be able
to establish military dominance over the planet. And that's what
these eight hundred military bases are that are all around
the planet right now. And so what this document is
is the new Paradigm Institute going forward and just very
carefully explicating the undisputed record now that demonstrates the lying
that they've been engaged in, not only about the UFO issue,
but a handful of other programs that they engaged in,
for example, Operate Mockingbird, where we discovered that, you know,
there were forty two full time paid Central Intelligence Agency
people embedded inside major news media, you know, usually as
national security specialists. You know that they were national security reporters.
And what they were doing is they were stifling news
going out to the American public. When we for example,
we did the Iran contract case, you know, where we
caught them smuggling weapons to the Contras, you know, out
of the Pentagon and the CIA in absolute total defiance
of Congress that had passed an actual law prohibiting them
from providing any weapons to the Contris. Because the Concerts
were international criminals and everybody knew it. And when we
caught them doing it and we got we brought information
to the New York Times, the National security at as
at the New York Times instructed their reporters, Keith Schnyder,
it was the guy. They they said that when it
was an embarrassing situation, when when Eugene Hasenfuss was shot down,
the C one twenty three was shot down over Nicaragua,
and Cooper and Sawyer were killed. The two the pilot
Copa and in Hassenphus was captured by the contrast. I
got the call. I got the call from the Secretary
of State of Nicaragua to send a Catholic priest down
to interview Hassenpus because he was hysterical and thinking he
was going to be locked away in a gulag somewhere
for the rest of his life. And so Father Bill
Davis I sent him down to interview him, and and
Father Davis explained to him in detail that we knew
all about what they were doing, and and he convinced
him that we knew all about it because it was true.
And so Hassenpuss then gave a public statement revealing what
they were doing, and the whole thing started coming unwound, okay,
And so that there was a major event that was
held in New York at the New School for Social Research,
and I was on stage along with reporters from CBS
and New York Times and others, and the it was
all reporters that there were like one hundred reporters in
the room. This was such a hot story coming out right,
And one of them confronted the the New York Times,
a foreign desk editor, and said, you know all this
stuff about the Christic Instidy. The Christic inter has been
talking about this for a year, telling everybody about this.
Why is it you haven't published anything about it? And
he said, I don't know. I don't know why we
haven't bought anybody. And so they said, well, look, would
you agree to send a reporter down to talk to
Dan Shian and the people at the Christic Institute have
been doing this investigation. Would you agree to do that?
And he said, okay, yes, I'll do that. So he
sent down Keith Snyder, who was the agricultural reporter for
the New York Times. He didn't have the slightest idea
who the contras were. He didn't know anything about foreign policy,
he didn't know anything about Central America. And so I
started to explain it to him in some detail and
showed in documents and everything, and so he was astonished.
He said, oh wow. And he goes back to his
editors and he lays it all out for them, and
I'm waiting for the story to come out. Nothing happens
for like or three or five days. So I called him.
I said, Keith was the story. He said, Oh, I've
got to come down and talk to you. He comes
down and he said, well, the National Security editors said
that we couldn't publish anything about this, and in fact,
they wanted us to write a story it was critical
of the Christic Institute. And I said, well, let's I said,
why don't I take and introduce you to some of
the pilots that are flying the weapons down there, uh
and actually flying the cocaine back, you know, uh into
the United States. And so I did. I introduced him
to it, and they showed him the maps that they had,
the codewords they used to fly in to the bases
down there. He goes running back to his running back
to his editors and told him, look at what we've got.
We've got the goods on these people completely uh. And
he was told by the National Security reporter that he
couldn't report it.
Speaker 1: And so they make them look like fools.
Speaker 5: Really, they've got people embedded in there. And this isn't
this isn't to justify the right wing attack on the
news media, you know. This is this is to point
out that the national security state that we began this
conversation about, uh, is so pervasive in the country. Uh
that this article that we've written from the New Paradigm
Institute laying out undisputed proof that they've been engaged in
this kind of systematic lying in manipulating the American public
all on behalf, not of some left wing agenda like
the Trump people are saying, but actually on behalf of
protecting the activities of the national security state, which is,
according to the nineteen ninety two United States Defense Department
Policy Planning Guidance Document, the objective of maintaining our continued
privileged access to the strategic raw materials needed by the
major corporations of our country. Because they believed that was
good for general motors, is good for the country that
you know, if you can get the research, if the
military secures control over the resources, the resources go to
the corporations, they produce more material, they give more jobs,
they pay more taxes. You know, that's what they believe.
The problem is, that's what fascism is. That's exactly what
Mussolini wrote about in his essay in nineteen thirty three.
That is the putting at the disposal of the major
corporations the instrumentalities of the government.
Speaker 2: I have heard that a lot of times we'll get
involved in some type of conflict because of the resources
like lithium or oil, you know, I mean otherwise, if
it was a poor country and they're fighting like the
Houtsis or whatever, they're fighting among themselves, genocide, and we're
not even getting involved in it because.
Speaker 5: There's no resources comte. And you have Dave Talbot's book,
it's called The Great Chess Game, you know, in the
or the Devil's Chase, Devil's Chess Board, it's called David Talbot,
and he details again all the details of how the
Central Intelligence Agency is actually instigating wars in areas where
they want to get a hold of their resources, you know,
and over through the government, the democratically elected government in Iran,
through throughout most of the deck and put in the
Shaw of Iran because he would agree to allow the
United States oil corporations to come in and take control
of all their oil. Now this is not crazy off,
bizarre talk. This is all very clearly established now over
the last fifty years. You know, I've spent fifty years
since the time I was at Jesuit headquarters laying this
out in details, been willing to go into courts of
law and present the evidence to jurys having to climb
over the top of judges that have been appointed by
the National security state. The judges we had in the
Iran contract case, James Lawrence King, you know, was appointed
by Richard Nixon, trained by the Central Intelligence Agency as
a Central Intelligence Agency judge. You know, direct witnesses who
saw him being trained by them, and he just did
everything in the world he could to keep us from
getting it revealed that they were smuggling weapons to the
contrast in complete defiance of Congress, you know, and then
you still discover Oh, look at he was. He was
nominated at the recommendation of BB Riboso, a major criminal
in the mafia, not in Miami. You know that James
Lawrence King was a former member of the board of
directors of the of Meyer Lanski's National Bank of Miami,
the treasurer for the mafia. I mean, look at, look
at But it isn't I'm not suggesting that people run
and jump out of a first story window because you're
discovering that there's no Santa Claus. You know. What I'm
saying here is that this, this entire UFO issue is
revelatory of the continued operations of a national security state
in our country, and everybody else around the world knows
about it, you know, it's us here in the United
States that don't bother to pay attention to that, you know.
And so that what I'm saying is is that since
there is such a consensus across the entire political spectrum
of people who want to know about the UFOs and
want to know about the extraterrestrial civilization that they represent
and the species, the different species that are coming and
going from our planet, you know that this is an
opportunity for us to stand down this national security state
and to establish a treaty among Russia in the United States,
and China, in India and all the major governments of
the world that we will agree not to shoot down
the UFOs, not to engage in warlike activities against them,
not to in fact use their technology to try to
develop an entire new generation of weapons against each other.
That we're going to We're going to work together as
a human family to try to figure out what kind
of amendment we need to make to our institutions, our
governing institutions, our economic institutions, our religious institutions, our universities,
our educational institutions. What kind of changes are we having
to make here in order to absorb this information and
have it be mutually beneficial for all of us and
or the extraterrestrial civilization, assuming that we have something unique
to contribute other than cage fighting, you know, you know,
and uh and the and pornography. You know. I mean
that that we've we've got to we've got to be
able to elevate our human consciousness and merit citizenship in
this galactic civilization, and that this presents us with an
absolutely unique opportunity to do this. But we have to
be willing to be honest with ourselves and to recognize.
I mean, we can let them get away with saying, oh,
because of the Cold War, we got in the habit
of lying to our people to conceal the evidence from
our adversaries, and we just didn't know enough to stop.
You know, when the Soviet Union dissolved, he said, let's
stop this craziness that we just got. Our momentum kind
of carried us on, you know, for another thirty forty years.
You know, fine, fine, let them apologize to us about it,
you know, And we'll understand. Okay, you're only human, you know,
you got carried away. But we've got to undo this now. Okay,
We've got to find out what's really going on. We've
got to get beneath this problem, to tell our people
what the truth is and get busy changing our institutions
on our planet so that we can benefit from this
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, i'd like to I'd like to post some
questions of some people have put your questions up here
for you, and then we'll be wrapping up soon after that.
Speaker 1: Was anything this is? Thank you Thomas for this.
Speaker 2: Was anything from the last three hearings revolutionary from your
perspective as someone who is in the legal field.
Speaker 5: No, no, but but that's not the fair standard. I mean,
you know, I've been I've been working on this for
fifty years, and I'm thoroughly familiar with all the other
kind of things they've done, the machinations they've done. The
question if you just if you'd allow me to kind
of reframe it. Was there anything that might be viewed
as revolutionary from the point of view of the average
American citizen? Yes? Yeah, know, when when you have when
you have David Grush sit in front of them and
say here, I was the Laison from the National Reconnaissance Office. Uh,
you know, one of the most highly sophisticated intelligence units
of our entire government. And I was assigned to the
UFO Task Force. And I'm telling you that, based on
interviewing forty live people, uh, that I'm convinced that we're
in possession of a non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and
the bodies of the non human occupants of it that
have been verified now to be non human. Okay, that
is revolutionary for the average person to hear that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And when and when you hear Luis Elizondo in the
hearing being asked by by Berlinger Berlin, Uh, Burleson, you know,
Congressman Burlison from the Surry saying, look, mister l if
you and I were to be allowed to get into
a skiff one of these classified boxes where nobody can eat,
to drop on you, and since we both have these
security clearances, would you be able to give to me
the evidence that would prove to me as a skeptic
beyond any reasonable doubt that we're in possession of one
or more non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and the bodies
of the occupants that have been proven to be non human?
Number one, do you believe that those things are true?
And Louis Alexandro said, yes, that's true. Both of those
things are true. So he said, well, would you be
able to share with me the evidence that can prove
that to me? And Alexandro said no, No, I wouldn't
be allowed to do that. That would have to be
somebody above me. They would have to be authorizing that.
What they're telling them is, we're not going to tell you,
we're not going to tell you you the Congress of
the United States, about the information that we have that
proves that it's true. Okay, now that is revolutionary. I
mean the average person now that does that, That is
even a little bit revolutionary to me, you know, to
realize that they could have the audacity to tell them
directly to their face that they're not able to give
them the evidence to show them that it's true. That's
that's a violation of our constitution. That's why called the complaint.
Louelzando contacted me and asked me to work with him
to file the complaint with the Inspector General the Defense
Department because he was outraged that they were lying to
the Congress of the United States. You know that they
wouldn't even that would they not even tell them the truth,
but they would lie to them and say, oh, we
don't know what you're talking about. We have no evidence
that there's any extraterrestrial civilization. We don't we don't have
any evidence that there's any kind of a non human craft.
We're you know, it's a total, absolute lie. Or they're
treating us like we're the enemy. You know that they
have to treat them in the same way that they
would treat their enemies. And why are the people their enemies?
Because we're trying to get access to the resources in
their countries and we've got eight hundred military bases through
us to do it, you know, you know, and we're
cruising around, you know, with massive aircraft carriers. You know,
it's just like the lie they told about the Vietnam
War that somehow our innocent warships were just kind of
cruising on the high seas and they were attacked by
North Vietnamese gunboats. Total lie, an absolute total fabrication, you know,
the Bay of ton Kin, and so that they could
justify sending you know, you know, fifty thousand United States
marines into their country so they could seize their resources
and establish a military base on the peninsula of Indo, China,
you know. I mean, we've got to we've got to
clearly name the beast here that we're dealing with, you know.
And it's not Russia, and it's not China, and it's
certainly not the UFO people. You know, it's the national
security state in our country, and that we've got to
be mature enough to step back away from this, disassemble
this at the same time we get Russia in China
to disassemble their national security state, to persuade India to
start to dissemble, disassemble their national security state so that
we it's not a matter of stripping ourselves of our
defenses against a potential extraterrestrial attack, you know. I mean,
that's such poppycock, you know. I mean, these guys could
dance on our grave if they chose to do that.
I mean, and it's preposterous that oh Shean's involved in
trying to disarm us, you know, so that we can't
defend ourselves against the extraterrestrial people. I mean, how totally
ridiculous is that? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, another question kind of a little bit aimed in
that direction. What is uh, what is Project Golden Dome
really about? And that is you know, that's like a
defense missile defense system, a layered missile defense system or
something like that.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, it's it's it's there's a bit of confusion
going on here because the Trump designated this desire, he
has to spend trillions of dollars, uh, building this an
iron dome over our country in the same way that
Israel has built this iron dome over their country. But
of course, knowing Trump, it couldn't be ironed. It had
to be gold you know.
Speaker 1: And that Oh I thought it was about a missile
system or something. It's not that.
Speaker 5: This that the it is, that's what they call it.
What it is, it's a missile system that is able
to knock out the missiles coming in.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: That's what happens in the iron dome in Israel is
a set of special missiles, anti missile missiles that can
shoot down missiles coming in. And so it constitutes a
metaphorical iron dome over the state of Israel. And he's
talking about trying to do that here in the United States.
But he's conflating it and I think the questioner was
asking another question. Golden Dome is the actual name of
a highly secret, above top secret surveillance system that has
been developed by the Central Intelligence Agency that is able
to detect UFOs even when they're still cloaked, you know,
when they're still vibrating it a frequency that makes it
impossible for us to see them and for our radar
to detect them. And what they do is they riostat
down into a lower vibrational frequency and they come into
material manifestation here on our planet. And so that that's like,
for example, when Matthew Brown was talking in his interview
UH with with Jeremy Cobbell UH and George Knapp about
the fact that they had this group of Russian intelligence
specials out in the Pacific under direct surveillance and they
were videoing them, and all of a sudden, this big
football field sized triangular craft just slowly materialized right above
those ships, UH and the and the So that there's
a there's a technique that the craft have and it's
UH and so that this Russian intelligence gathering operation was
somehow able to predict where this thing was going to materialize. Well,
that process I believe the evidence shows that this is.
It isn't that they're coming from some other dimension. What
it is that this is a function of the way
they transport. Uh. So they have their craft in their
star system, on their planet, and what they do is
they engage in this. Uh. It's like this super technologically
revved up ability to remote view that they can basically
remote view a place on our planet. Uh. And they
can they can visualize their craft being there. Uh. And
it's a kind of a cop it's a it's a
variation on the double slit experiment where directed human intention,
you know, actually can collapse the wave function so that
an inchoate reality can actually condense out of the range
of possibilities through directed human intention. That it appears that
the e T people have developed a technology whereby they
can they can gin up their ability to focus their
attention to actually transport a craft from point A to
point B. And it doesn't require a linear travel. It
just is like teleportation, you know. And I had a
long interview with edgar Mitchell one time when he was
still alive, and he told me that his best friend
whom I deduced, was Cooper, but he didn't it wouldn't
admit it, but he said saw an actual experiment back
in the nineteen sixties where they actually had a room
with a Coca Cola bottle in it and had the
cooper sign his name on a little piece of paper
and folded up and put it in the coke bottle,
and then they turned these this light this ray onto it,
and it kind of slowly disappeared, and they go over
into the other room and they walk in there and
there's the coke bottle slowly materializing, and then they pull
a little note out of it, and there's his signature.
And they showed that they actually had figured out some
of the teleportation technology that these craft actually have h
and that all of this is by way of answering
his question about the Golden Domes, the Central Intelligence Agency
developed a super secret surveillance system called the Golden Domes
that was able to detect the UFOs before they materialized,
and they could locate them moving around our planet when
they were in a non manifest state, and so that
we could locate them, you know, and people go, oh, no,
you're divulging one of the most top secret circuits of
our entire government. I said, you know, so what you know,
what that we can detect the UFOs, you know, fine,
whether we're what they think, we're espionized agents for the
UFO civilization or something. No, And it isn't as though
the UFO people didn't know they were doing it, because
they obviously have known they're doing it.
Speaker 2: Here's another question here about General high End high Am.
If she'd uh he's the Israeli space director, why he's
like he's like ninety five years old or something at
this point.
Speaker 1: So I don't think he'll be testifying.
Speaker 2: I know he's made some comments about extraterrestrials. Do you
know anything about them?
Speaker 5: No? I mean I know what he said. I know
what he said. Uh. And it's not it's not clear
what the basis is on which he bases it, you know,
So I don't know, uh in. But but the fact
of the matter is there. As I mentioned earlier, there
are a cadre of witnesses that the that the Senate
Intelligence Committee, the Senate as a whole, the House Oversight
Committee know about and could call publicly to testify. But
they aren't doing it well in my opinion. In my opinion,
you know that they're they're failing to perform their constitutional obligation,
you know, and they they it's it's not clear to
me why they're withholding them. All they have to do
is start rolling them out one at a time, you know,
and it's going to start convincing more and more members
of the Senate in the House that they better do
something about this, you know, because the evidence is overwhelming
about this. They They've got people who have been in
the room with them. I mentioned that, you know that, Uh,
what's his head? Trying to remember the guy who testified
with He mentioned it in Jay Stratton. Jay Stratton used
to be the head of OUTSAT, which is the Advanced
Weapons Special Access program you know, in the Pentagon. And
in the latest this documentary film called Age of Disclosure,
you know, he states right flat out that he has
been actually physically in the presence of a non human
origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and that he's been in the presence
scene with his own eyeballs a UFO being.
Speaker 2: Well, these are the type of people, the type of
witnesses that are going to move things forward if they,
you know, testify under oath in front of Congress or
or some type of body of government.
Speaker 1: I hope that happens well.
Speaker 5: And the question is why aren't they doing it? I mean,
why why isn't the Senate calling him and putting him
right in front of everybody and saying here, so that
they're playing foot see. I mean they're playing foot seat
with the national security state people, you know, because they
depend upon the national security state people, you know, and
that they're they're afraid of the national security state people
at the same time because they'll knock they'll knock them
right out of office if they don't, and that the
national security state is calling the shots here. And so
the real question that people ought to be asking is
why has the National security state suddenly decided or at
least as of twenty seventeen, why have they decided that
they're going to start coming forward with more and more
of this information, you know? And certain people speculated about it.
Doctor Stephen Greer says he thinks that they're setting up,
you know, a false flag attack, so they're trying to
get people acclimated to the reality that the UFOs are real,
so that if they stayed such an attack that the
people are going to go crazy and give the national
security state even more power, you know, to do in
more money, to do whatever they want with I don't
agree with that, you know, I've disagreed publicly with Stephen
on that, but I don't put it past them. As
I've told people, you know that I know that the
National Security State is constantly running out wargame scenarios. It
doesn't mean they're going to do it, but that is
not above them to do something like that. I just
don't think that they're doing that. But I do realize
that they're engaged in attempting to choreograph this process, and
they believe that they're going to be able to choreograph
in a manner that they will not ever have to
reveal everything. That's the problem. They don't want to reveal everything,
and so that we want them to reveal everything.
Speaker 2: Here's an interesting question here, and thank you all in
chat for being available and asking these questions. We're going
to be wrapping up soon. I'll try to get to
one more after this one. So this is from Tony.
Thank you, Tony. Might there be an international agreement that
stops the US from revealing everything? Maybe the USA isn't
the be all and all.
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you, the US is the be
all and end all. Okay, so you'll know, you know,
I mean, they're getting to be less and less to
be all and end all because Trump is withdrawing from NATO,
He's functionally abandoning all them. He's in cohera. He doesn't
have a policy that anybody can really tell what's going
on anymore. You know, he could be ruining the entire
capability of the United States to dominate all world politics. Okay,
Now that might not be the worst thing in the
whole world, because, as I've said, you know that the
power to dominate the entire world has been being misused
by the United States and by the major corporations that
are hand in glove with the national security state in
the past. And this may be the cost that we're
ending up having to pay because they've been so abusive,
abusive of this that when the point comes now that
one person can utilize that in such an arbitrary and
capricious way that the rest of the world is going
to stop cow towing to the United States. That may
be true, but I don't think that there's an internet
if there's any international agreement, uh pertaining to the UFO issue.
You can bet your bottom dollar, that the US has
been the one that has crafted the treaty, you know,
and has made everybody else abide by it, because up
until very recently, you know, basically until you know, the
most recent election, the United States was absolutely the be
all and end all. Nobody could really do much of
anything on the international level without the United States agreeing,
so that that any any treaty that was in place
prior to this particular administration would have been in fact
choreographed by the US.
Speaker 2: Here's a kind of a related question here, what happens
if another country discloses first well of US.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know what would happened? You know
that the the the problem is is that this this
could be used as a weapon, This disclosure process could
be used as a weapon, you know, and they could
disclose it in a way that would completely undermine, for example,
the American dollar, which is the petroleum dollar. You know,
they can say, here's a brand new form of energy.
You know, we're going to make it available to the
whole world. Right now, the entire oil is completely antiquated.
You know, it's ridiculous to think you have to be
burning oil and ruining the entire global ecosystem, you know,
in the American dollar collapses, the you know, the the
entire economic system starts to be unstable, the United States
loses its advantage in all kinds of different ways. And
it could be used as a weapon, you know. And
and the problem is that that's our job. Our job
is to figure out how to make this a weapon.
And they haven't figured out how to do it yet,
you know. So that's why they're all shifting from one
foot to another, going, oh, how can we how can
we manage this? And so they've tried, they're they're in
the process of trying this kind of slow disclosure process
to see how well they can how they can get
away with I assume, concealing some of the most sensitive
secrets that they don't want to reveal, you know, the
best they're the old adage is the best way to
keep a secret is to pretend that you've revealed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a here's a question. I'd like to ask
this to be our final question tonight. Thank you everyone
in chat for your questions, but I still hear that
there's still things going on. The question is, uh, what
do you make of the White House's official explanation of.
Speaker 1: The New Jersey drones not just New Jersey.
Speaker 5: There everywhere. But there's a there's a legal, technical, legal
term they have for what this is. Uh. Total bullshit
is what it is. Total bullshit. Not only that, but
the fact that they would even dare do it, you know,
is just fits in with so many other things they're saying,
which is just completely lies, you know, so that it's
total bullshit. I mean, you got thousands of these things
all around all over the place, and people go, oh, well, no,
you know, these are all FAA authorized and they're all
just flying around.
Speaker 1: You know, after the FAA said they didn't know what
they were.
Speaker 5: That's right. Well, don't let that stop them. I mean,
don't let that interfere with a good lie, you know.
I Mean. The point is is that there has to
be a limit, that our human family has to have
a limit of what we will tolerate. You know, the
National Security State is asking us to praise their new
suit of clothes, you know, uh, and we're saying the
emperor has no clothes. You know. This is that you
are stripped. Bear, You've been exposed to the whole world
now to what you're doing. And if you want to
cooperate and back out of this, you know we'll assist
you in it. You know, we'll all the citizens will
rise up and support a step by step disassembling of
the national security state infrastructures of all of the national
security state governments around the world. Okay, and do it
in a multi part is a multilateral way, because it's
actually to the advantage of most all the rest of
the countries in the world to agree to do this,
just like Russia and China agreed early on during the
Atomic Age they would agree to forego any development of
any nuclear weapons at all if the United States would
agree to disassemble what they'd done in the United States
wouldn't do it. Primarily, according to Garbachovs when we talk
to them about it, is because the elite in the
United States know that they have to have these in
order to back off China, you know, and to get
at the resources in Asia. You know, they have to
have a weapon system because they can't confront China in
a traditional war, because China showed them at Incheon and
then at the Reservoir that they showed them that they
could put a billion men in uniform against our forces.
In Korea, which is what they did, you know, And
so that this elite in the United States believes they
have to have nuclear weapons and so, and it's a
complete fantasy to think that whatever new development we make
in the nuclear weapons industry isn't going to be discovered
by Russia and China within a decade, you know, and
they're going to then have the same thing, you know,
and then it's just a mutual terror of each other.
You know. This is Look, we have got to understand
that we as a human family are being presented here
with an opportunity to step into an entire new kind
of civilization that can is chew the weapons systems, that
can is chew trying to steal everybody else's resources. We
have an opportunity to travel to the stars. We have
an opportunity to have resources beyond our most wild imagination, okay,
and we don't have to fight each other over limited
resources on our planet. If we can only rise to
the occasion. And when I say rise to the occasion,
I mean rise in our levels of consciousness is what
we need to do. And we need to reach out
to the et people through telepathic communication. You can talk
about it out loud if you want to, and at
the same time you're using telepathy to try to raise
the you know, we have to engage in citizen diplomacy.
We have to step over the top of these government
officials if they will not perform their constitutional obligations, and
they have to stop lying to the people, make this
information available to fulfill their constitutional obligations in the Congress,
to reign in the national security state. You know that
we've got to get the National security state to refrain
from trying to establish full military dominance over the planet.
We've got to stop them from trying to secure and
maintain a privileged access on the part of our four
point five percent of the population of the entire planet,
you know, so that we can we can reap the
benefits of some forty percent of all the non renewable
resources that are developed on the planet every year. We've
got we've got this step back from this, Okay, if
we're going to merit, merit citizenship in this galactic civilization,
because they're not going to let us come out there,
you know, not only not let us come out there
carrying nuclear weapons, they're not going to let us come
out there at all.
Speaker 1: Yes, I had.
Speaker 2: I had a professor Robin Hanson on last week that
kind of addressed that whole thing, like a little bit
of a control that he thinks set they may have
on us.
Speaker 1: He was fascinating.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but
he'd be really someone you'd be interested in listening to. Danny,
thank you so much, and I'll see you in just a.
Speaker 1: Couple of days. I'll be out in California, see out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're taking off actually tomorrow morning to drive to there.
I've got a big presentation on a Thursday at one o'clock.
You know. I've got actually four, you know, ninety minute
presentations to make at the contact in the desert and
three panels. So I'm going to get everybody and get
to share the information about the new Paradigm Institute and
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really help mobilize our people and help educate your fellow
citizens about this extraordinarily important information.
Speaker 1: Well, great work, Danny, thank you so.
Speaker 5: Much, terrific. Thanks Marn I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right everyone, so remember if you'd like to
reach out to me if you're going to be out
of contact Martin at podcastufo dot com and next week
we'll be interviews from there. Thanks so much everyone for
participating tonight. Good questions in chat, and remember to keep
your eyes to the sky.