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Speaker 1: Hey, Hello, and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: And Martin willis your host, and we got a great

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show this evening with Dan Shean's coming in. He said,

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he's going to be running a little bit late, so

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I'm going to be bringing my good friend Bill Skywitch're

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in and we're going to be talking about Pine Bush.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be out of Contact.

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Speaker 2: At the Desert, So if you're going to be out there,

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I would really love to hang out and maybe you

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could be part of one of the recordings that I'm

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doing next week. It's going to be some of the

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interviews that I'm going to be doing out at Contact

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in the Desert.

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Speaker 1: Following the week, I'm going to be in.

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Speaker 2: Pine Bush at the conference out there. Then that's I'm

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going to talk to book a Bill about. So today

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we have the blog this week is UFO Photos Taken

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by in nineteen seventy seven by a young boy and Indiana.

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Speaker 1: That's by Charles Lear.

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Speaker 2: A very popular show and Paul Charles was on. There's

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a lot of downloads on that, so I'm really glad

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that a lot of people have learned to really respect

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and like the work that he does on historic UFO cases.

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So he's a great guy and glad to have him on.

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So we have someone claiming to be Bob Lazaar. Hey,

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Bob Lazar, he's just here observing. He's in the chat.

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So I thought that was kind of humorous. But with that,

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I'd like to bring in. I thought this was.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting when George Knapp finally admitted that he doesn't

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think that Bob Lazarre's education is legit. I'm just going

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to put that in.

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Speaker 2: You know, every time I talk about Bob Bazar that

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I don't believe his story. Yes, Bob and chat, I

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do not believe. He just said, it's good buddy. Contact,

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it's good buddy, George Knapp. Yes, Sarie Bob. I think

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we had a lou Elisondo in here before and he

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spelled Lewis's first name wrong.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, a little flattery there, I suppose in some ways.

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But here it's a clip of George Knapp and I

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want you to take a listen to.

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Speaker 3: This is pretty interesting identified and we said we could

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not verify his background, and I will confide to you this,

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I don't believe he ever went to those schools.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe.

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Speaker 3: Bob Lazar could get a degree from Caltech or MIT

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for a very simple reason. At American universities, when you

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get a degree, an undergraduate degree, you have to take

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all kinds of core courses in subjects that you may

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not be interested in.

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Speaker 1: Literature.

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Speaker 3: I cannot possibly imagine and honor you know, Bob. I

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can't imagine Bob Lazar sitting through a class in American

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lit or reading poetry or something like that. He'd never

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stand for it. There is no way in hell that

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he sat through that stuff to get a degree. So

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what do we do?

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Speaker 1: What do we do with that? Do we throw out

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the story?

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Speaker 3: Would Here's how I rationalized it is Bob would not

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be the first person to lie about his educational credentials

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in order to get a good job. As his friend

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of a long time, I've given him the opportunity, Bob, look,

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come come clean on this. Let me know about if

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it's a lie, come clean on it, get it behind you.

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And he's never given me that satisfaction of saying, yeah,

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it's a lie. He maintains the story. I don't know

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what the true story is. Whether they could make his

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records disappear. I have found people who said he was

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at cal Tech, who said that they remember him being

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on the campus. But that's not enough to make the point.

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As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't

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care whether Bob Blazar went to cal Tech. The lie,

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the fact that he would lie about it is problematic,

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but I don't think it's a reason to toss out

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the entire story. Because people do lie about their background

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in order to get a great job.

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Speaker 2: Well, I personally don't agree with that all the way through.

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Speaker 1: How about that? But anyway, and that's not a real crip,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm not going to go into a lot

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of arguing about this, you know. I mean to me,

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if someone's going to lie about their education, how can

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you believe the rest of it. He wasn't lying to

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these people that was trying to get a job George Knapp.

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he was lying to those people. Maybe he was, but

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he was definitely lying to us. He wasn't trying to

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get a job with us. He was trying to prove

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to us that he saw alien craft in area fifty one.

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What he was doing to us, not for a job,

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just to make that perfectly clear. But anyway, I'm going

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to bring in my friend Bill here. Bill, welcome, what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Nice too?

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Speaker 4: And I walk into just now with this Lazar stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if it wasn't for this fake bobless whoops,

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Speaker 1: It might be him.

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on that, you know I have a connection at MIT

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that all she does is records, and she can go

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back into the records that cannot be expunged. It was

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never a Bob Blazar Robert Lazaar in any type of way.

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Speaker 1: MIT. So anyway, I know about that.

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Speaker 2: I know that you have heard that there's from someone

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credible that he's legit, but uh, I'm still not buying it.

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I'd have to see id.

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Speaker 1: Alright.

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Speaker 4: By way, I'm just gonna touch this. I'm just gonna

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touch it. I'm not gonna go crazy with this, but.

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Speaker 1: I just like what Thomas said, you have to.

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Speaker 4: Realize what you were doing as a teenager the ingenuity,

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because there is incredible stuff that he was doing as

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a teenager. Now, if scientists were let's just say, doing

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the same old, same old, they're stuck on a certain

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way of looking at things, wouldn't they want a whiz

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kid to maybe look at things from outside the box.

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Speaker 2: Bring in that type of Yeah, I understand, but listen,

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Danny just came in. He's in now, Danny, we can

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see you in there.

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Speaker 1: Just one minute.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap this up. Let's talk about I'll be

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out at contact next week. Please look me up Martinett

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PODCASTUFO dot com. And then the week after I'll be

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in pine Bush built real quickly on pine Busch.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna be the keynote. You're gonna be the

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mc Mark D'Antonio will be there, Marianne, Rob Dave Rich

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looking forward to seeing everybody go to Pine Bush Museum

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dot com and we look forward to having you have

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a great show with Danny. I am out of here.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Thank you Bill, Danny.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can hardly see you, Danny.

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Speaker 5: Let me see here. What's happening? Here we go?

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Speaker 1: There you are? Hey, how you doing good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? You're doing them back to back today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well you are too, from what I understand.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I just got off five minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, good to see you, and I'll be seeing you

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out at Contact in the desert. And uh, last time

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we saw each other was in line in Washington, d C.

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the same as myself, and uh, you know, it's really

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I think, uh I felt I don't know how you

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feel about it, but the first one just felt so historic,

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you know, and the second one was like, Okay, we

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did this once already. But the first one just didn't

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that seem like amazing.

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Speaker 1: The first one, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 5: A I mean, it's it's amazing compared to what they've

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been doing in the past, you know, it's it's minimal

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in comparison to what's going to be happening. I mean,

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once once the the the forty, you know, eyewitnesses from

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deep inside the whole program start coming forward in Congress,

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you know, develops the spine to make them public. I

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mean that the Senate Intelligence Committees interviewed these people under oath.

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know what the information is, but they're not they're they're

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not telling it to the people, you know, So that

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we need to we need to organize the citizens and

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make the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate have hearings

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revealing what it is they know.

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Speaker 2: Danny, once you just said something just now that I

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want you to elaborate on as an attorney, as a

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powerful attorney that you have been over the years, and

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amazing cases involved in in Aaron brock Brockovich and all

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kinds of things, but as an attorney when someone if

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someone lied like David Grush lied under oath, or any

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of the three say in the first rank Graves and

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the pilot, I'm just skipping his name right now.

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Speaker 1: David Fraver. If any of those people lied under oath

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and were caught lying under oath, what would happen to them?

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Speaker 5: Well, it isn't. I don't think that's the user because

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they that the things that they were saying are not

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look is based on my investigations and discussion with over

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forty people, I'm telling you that I believe that we

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have you know, one or more non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft.

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point of view, you know that he's not declaring he

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he's not declaring that he knows it to an absolute

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certainty himself. He's not saying that he's laid his hands

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on the craft. He's not, you know, interviewed. Now, on

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the other hand, you have Jay Stratton in this new

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saying I have been in the room with a non

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human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft, and I have seen with my

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own eyes an extraterrestrial non human being. But he's not

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under oath, I see ye, And he's not testifying to

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a you know. So the question arises, why hasn't the

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House Oversight Committee or the Senate Intelligence Committee called Jay

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Stratton into a public hearing and have him say that

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under oath so that they can't keep shilly shally in

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around and saying, well, we've never been told by any

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first hand withess that he's actually seen one of these

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extraterrestrial beings, or that he's actually been in a room

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with what he knows to be an extraterrestrial spacecraft, you know.

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doing that? You know? And so the answer is because

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the problem is that our democratic system as is presently operating,

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are still under the domination of a national security state.

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The national security state. People still frightened. The members of Congress,

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just like Vin, Senator Frank Church chaired the Select Committee

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on Intelligence Abuse and pressed the CIA and started revealing

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the fact that they were smuggling drugs, they were assassinating people,

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et cetera. He was out of office the very next

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time because millions of dollars of money mysteriously came in

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through the South African Bank out of the Newganahan Bank

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from Australia and into his campaign revealing the fact that

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he supported the Equal Rights Amendment. You know, this is

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this is an activity of our national security state. These

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are the people that you know that we granted the

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privilege inappropriately in my opinion, to be able to do

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these things abroad, theoretically for the protection of our American

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people and they've brought it home and they're using these

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weapons against our own people, and so the Congress is

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afraid of them. And so what we've got to do

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is we've either got to put people into Congress who

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are not afraid of these people, or we've got to

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get these people who are in there to stop being

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afraid of these people. And that's that's our job as citizens,

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because they know in the national security state, people know

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that ninety five percent of all the people in the

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country don't even pay attention, you know, to these things.

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be run by somebody else, and somebody else is now

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a national security state, you know, and so we see

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them doing things and people are now getting distressed over

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the fact that has come to full fruition, you know,

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where we have an authoritarian, dictatorial type government in place

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right now and people are going, well, well, you know,

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the national security state people support them. So that's that's

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the problem. Martin. Now, fundamental problem that we've got.

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Speaker 2: Back to the Schumer rounds, that that bill that was

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trying they were trying to push Sue. Do you think

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they went a little too far when they were trying

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to do with the eminent domain? Do you think that

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was the thing that was too far that made everybody go, WHOA,

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you're not getting your hands on this.

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Speaker 5: No, it didn't make everybody go wild. It made the

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aerospace corporations go, well, you know, and then what they

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started doing is spending millions of dollars because they're bribing

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congressmen and senators out. They're bribing them, They're giving them

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tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars in

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campaign page. This is not I mean, this is not

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rocket science here, you know. I mean, you pay somebody

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hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and they say,

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you either vote for protecting this secrecy and let me

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get a private patent on this technology so I can

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make billions of dollars, or else, you know, we're going

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to throw you out of office. And that's what they're doing.

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And they're they're cheek by jowel with the national Security State,

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you know, and they're providing the military equipment for the

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National Security State in the National Security State are providing

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the tens of billions of dollars in contracts to them.

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Is this entire symbiotic relationship just exactly what Eisenhower warned

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everybody about, you know, back in nineteen sixty is a

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farewell speech. He said, you know, look at and he

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was being gracious. He said, you know, whether intended or not,

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you know, you have to be careful of them acquiring

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this this extraordinary power, whether intended or not. He knew

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perfectly well that it was intended. You know, this isn't

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an accident that these people have come to power the

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way they have, and we've got to do something about it.

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We've got to take advantage of the fact that ninety

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nine percent of the people in the country want to

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know about the UFO stuff, that ninety five percent of

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the people in the company want to know that there's

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an extraterrestrial civilization coming and going from our planet. They

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want to know what those people know, what kind of

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technologies they have, what kind of progress we can make

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in medical terms and stuff. You know that we want

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to know that we feel that we're being deprived of

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important information and not only that we're being lied to,

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I mean lied to actively by the national security state.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it would be and partial of the

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possibility of weaponizing some type of reverse technology in some

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type of way and like a power a power grab,

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for say, if it's our country that has these things

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trying to get kind of like nuclear arms in a way,

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trying to get that head on, you know, the powerful

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whatever it is, you know, for our average against our

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adversaries as a threat of some kind.

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Speaker 5: Well, sure, I mean the problem is that our national

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security state people are actively engaged in basically shooting down

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UFOs to try to get their hands on the technology

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so that we I say we they the national security

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state people, can back engineer the technology into making a

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whole new generation of webs so that they can establish

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full spectrum military dominance over the planet. We know that

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from the nineteen ninety two United States Defense Department of

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Policy Planning Guidance Document that when we finally persuaded Gorbachev

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to dissolve the Soviet Union to step back out of

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the arms race with the United States back out of

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the Cold War, what happened is the George Bush senior administration,

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and Dick Cheney, who was the Secretary of Defense, he

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and Paul Wolfowitz, his deputy, convene a meeting and say, oh, good,

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look at it. We've gotten the Soviet Union to back out. Now,

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so let's us establish full military dominance over the planet.

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Let's take advantage of the fact that they've stepped back

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and not cut back on our military budget that we've

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been justifying for the last eighty years on the grounds

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that we keep saying the Soviet Union is going to

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be attacking us coming across the polar ice caps. You know,

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now that they've dissolved themselves in actively stepped out of

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the entire race against us, you know, what do we do.

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We step into the breach and say we want to

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establish full spectrum dominance over the planet. And this is

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a matter of record. This is in the nineteen ninety

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two United States Defense Department Policy Planning Guidance document. And

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so that they flat out said what they're doing, you know,

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and so that we know that the national security state

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has risen to power in our country right now, and

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they are the ones, they are the ones that have

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been lying to us for eighty years about this technology,

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because they've been trying to figure out how to back

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engineer this technology to give them a special, new, complete

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and total dominating advantage over every other nation state in

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the world. Okay, so, and it says right in the document,

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so they can maintain our continued privileged access to the

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strategic raw materials needed by our major industries.

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Speaker 1: Mmm.

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Speaker 5: You know. Wow, you know, there's a there's a really

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great motive. You know, that's something we really get up

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out of bed every morning to be applying your trade

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to you know, but we don't agree with that. That

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is not what our country, our democracy is supposed to

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be engaged in right now.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's you know, uh, some some could

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say there's a lot of recent corruption, but I would

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say that there's been corruption for a long time. And

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we like to think about our country, the US as

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as we're here, like we like to think we're the good.

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Speaker 1: Guys or whatever. But there's corruption. There's corruption.

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Speaker 2: There's been corruption for a long time, and you know,

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maybe not as bad as some of these other countries,

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you know. I mean I know firsthand through people about

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Russia and their corruption just from a connection that I

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had there, you know, a number of years ago.

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Speaker 1: But but still we have it.

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Speaker 2: And it's just it's maybe dressed a little differently, you know,

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but we do have it in different in different ways.

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And like you said, campaign contributions to the lobbying system,

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these are all things. The lobbying system is great when

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it's used properly, but not for the way it's used anyway.

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Speaker 5: When you bring in when you bring in, it used

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to be you bring in a bag full of cash

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of one hundred dollars bills and put it on their

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table and say, here, I want you to vote for

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something that's going to increase my profits by millions of dollars.

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You know. Somebody used to commun slap handcuffs on you

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and throw you in jail, you know, and now they're

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doing it right out in the open, you know. I mean,

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just like the last interview I saw, they said, oh

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wait a second, Uh, don't you think that the the

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you know, the president in this case Trump, you know,

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offering to sell a cryptocurrency of it with his face

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on it, uh, you know, and getting hundreds of billions

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of dollars of people money to him, you know, and

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using the White House from in which to do it,

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you know, and then showing him around the top investors

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in his private financial coin money coming into his pocket,

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you know, and he gives them a private tour of

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the White House and is a reward for it, and

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you know, and the and the argument that his supporters

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are making is, oh, he's doing it right out in front.

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He's not, he's not sneaking around about it. You know.

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I'm not sure whether I'm not sure whether that's good

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news or not. You know, he's doing it right in

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your face, you know, in the in the this this

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this type of corruption is a very special kind of

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corruption that this isn't just you know, people taking money

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under the table. What what this is is the attempt

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of the private major banking institutions and major stockholders in

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the major corporations that own and control the major resources

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in our country, dating all the way back to the

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robber baron Europe. You know, that they've joined together, and

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what they've said is that, you know that we are

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going to control the government. We are going to make

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the decisions of the government. Uh and now we're going

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to give you know, a tax break to the richest

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one percent of the people in the country, you know,

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and people are all going, oh, I'm not sure that's fair.

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You know, but wait till it starts to bite. Way

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do they start to lose their health coverage? Way do

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they start to lose their social security? Way do they

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start to lose their the education of their kids? You know,

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that type of corruption is going to be recognized. But

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the kind of corruption that's involved in keeping secret the

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UFO secrets is a much deeper level. And that is

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that is this whole kind of common agreement that they've

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made that it's okay for our national security state apparatus

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to establish full military very dominance over the planet. And

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that's okay. You know that our we have eight hundred,

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eight hundred foreign military bases of the United States all

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over the world.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that many.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, you didn't. I know, we're well informed,

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but wow, is it is that many? Eight hundred US

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military bases all over the world. You know, we have

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our budget, our annual military budget is bigger than the

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top other ten countries in the entire world. And that

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includes Russia and China and India in France and you

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I mean, and people just sit back and don't quite

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notice what's going on, you know. I mean it's like

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living in Rome and not notice noticing that they're an empire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, we got some people are going

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to be posting questions here and there. So a question

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for you is, do you think this will finally be

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this summer of disclosure and he wants to thank you

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for your legendary work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, not the summer, you know, I mean

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that that you know, we'll we'll get in mid July.

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In mid July, we will get the United States Senate

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to reintroduce the sixty four page you know, former Senate

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Bill two two two six, which is the Schumer Rounds Bill. Oh,

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I hope, So that will get that will get passed, uh,

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and it will go into the National Defense authors you'll

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go into the management Package. They call it. The management

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package is what the leadership of the Republican and Democratic

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Party leaders in the Senate agree they're going to put

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into the National Defense Authorization. Okay, and they'll agree to

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do that because the leadership in both political parties agree

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that they want to do this, okay. So that'll come

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in and then it's going to go over during the

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August break is going to go over to the House side. Now,

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we've already succeeded in getting rid of Michael Turner, who

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was the Republican head of the House Intelligence Committee. He

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is from the home district of the right Patterson Air

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Force Base in Ohio, and they've got a whole collective

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of these aerospace corporations gathered all around Wright Patterson who

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are just hogging out at the troth, you know, to

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get at money to help back engineer this technology of

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the UFOs. And that's one of the bases where it's

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centered of what they're doing there, and that's his home base.

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So that he was just completely out of control in

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stopping that bill from getting passed last year. He doesn't

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understand that there's been a decision made on the part

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of major forces in our country to get this information revealed.

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He doesn't understand it. So he was completely out of step,

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and so he's bounced. He's out now. Frenshaw is the

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is the fellow that's in there now from Missouri. So

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we are in the process of sharing information with his staff,

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getting him and understand how important this is, what the

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alternative technologies are that are available here. What the alternative

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options are for energy that we have. You know, we're

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sharing this information with him, uh and so that we

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know that there are certain Democrats, Gonzales for example, who

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will introduce the bill, you know, the Senate bill over

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on the House side, But the Republicans don't care about

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anything any Democrats put in because they're in charge over there.

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So what we've got to do is try to get

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a major Republican member of the House of Representatives to

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champion the Democratic the the excuse me us Senate bill

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that is passed by the Republican Senate when it comes

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over to them during the August break. When they come

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back from the August break in early September, they need

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to take up the vote. We need to have by

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that time, by the first of September, by Labor Day,

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we have to have persuaded some influential members of the

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House of Representatives to co sponsor the Senate bill over

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on the House side and to get that passed. Even

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if we were to get this passed, there's still another

475
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,319
process that needs to take place. It's not going to

476
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,279
happen all this summer. The fact of the matter is

477
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,519
that even if we get it passed. It isn't going

478
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:39,519
to pass until December, December twenty second, to be exact.

479
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,960
You know, they're going to vote on the National Defense

480
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,680
Authorization Act. And if we succeed in getting the House

481
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,519
of Representatives to approve the Senate bill, which is going

482
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,160
to get passed, if we can get them to do that,

483
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,960
then what's going to happen is the National Defense Authorization Act,

484
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,359
which will contain this sixty four pages, will pass, and

485
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,880
then what will happen is the President will receive from

486
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,799
us the new Paradigm Institute and others who have been

487
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,079
authorized to nominate people to this nine person panel that

488
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,839
is called for by the Senate bill to establish a

489
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,480
nine person board of Review who will review all of

490
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,720
the information that is in the possession of the United

491
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:33,880
States Government which has already been ordered to be gathered

492
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,960
and prepared to be handed over to the National Archives.

493
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,240
We succeeded in getting that done. Back in twenty twenty three,

494
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,200
there's a twenty three page bill that was passed by

495
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,799
the House of Representatives ordering all six of our military services,

496
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,319
all eighteen of our United States Intelligence agencies, and all

497
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,319
thirty two of our United States Defense Department Agency they're

498
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,200
in possession of information about UFOs and the non human

499
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,880
intelligence or ets that are responsible for them. They've already

500
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,839
been their understanding orders to gather all of that together

501
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,839
and prepare to hand it over to the National Archives.

502
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,480
That they will be required to have completed that job

503
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,920
by September thirtieth. Okay, so that's still not in the summer,

504
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,279
so it's not the summer of disclosure, but that information

505
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,640
is required to be prepared for handing over to the

506
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,359
National Archives as of September thirtieth this year. Now, the

507
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400
problem is the House of Representatives has changed the language.

508
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,279
The Senate language required them to turn it over immediately

509
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:50,319
to the National Archives. The House of Representatives, not surprisingly,

510
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:54,000
had changed the language to say that they're required to

511
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,720
turn it over to the National Archives as soon as possible.

512
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920
And the problem is they've all gone into these fits

513
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,880
now about how hard it is to do it all,

514
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,359
and you know, my mother's horse died and somebody's billed

515
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,799
ink on my homework, you know, and they're going through

516
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,519
all this kind of rasthmatasm. We're declining to do this

517
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,119
right now, and so that we've got to they're betting

518
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,440
on they're betting on or basically they're betting against the

519
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,039
citizens of the United States. They're betting that our citizens

520
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:29,960
will not rise up and call them on this and

521
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,559
demand to stop making fools out of us, all by

522
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,720
changing the language in the House side and then refusing

523
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:39,599
to comply, you know, with handing it over to the

524
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,599
National Archives. But if we can get that bit of

525
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,160
the language changed, if we can get the Senate bill

526
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,559
adopted in its entirety so that they're required not only

527
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:53,000
to gather together all the information by September thirtieth, but

528
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,759
they're required to turn it over immediately to the to

529
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:01,839
the National Archives, then we will take the steps of

530
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,599
nominating people to this this nine person panel. That the

531
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,359
New Paradigm Institute is one of the groups that are

532
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:14,759
going to be nominating nine people. The Majority and Minority

533
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,519
leaders of the House and Senate are going to be

534
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,599
nominating nine people, The head of the National Archives is

535
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,880
going to be nominating nine people. And so that there

536
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,960
are a handful of us that are going to be

537
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,680
making these nominations. But the fact of the matter is,

538
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,240
even under the Senate bill, the President Donald Trump gets

539
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,039
to decide who he wants to appoint to that board, okay,

540
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,640
And so that he does that and then it has

541
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,160
to go over to the Senate for approval, okay, and

542
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,640
almost certainly the Senate will approve virtually anybody that the

543
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,119
President nominates. What we're hoping is the President is going

544
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,720
to appoint people who are in fact nominated by the

545
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,920
House and Senate, you know, and by and by us

546
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,039
a limited number of public citizen organizations who have been

547
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:17,039
authorized to nominate people. Okay. Now, we would like to

548
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,799
have it be that the that the president is going

549
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:24,039
to appoint the people we nominate, but it's much more

550
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,000
likely he's going to appoint whoever he wants to, you know.

551
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,599
And as long as he doesn't appoint his two sons

552
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,039
and daughter you know, to the to the committee, you know,

553
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:38,039
or you know, somebody who is you know, a Fox

554
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:42,319
News correspondent, you know, as long as he appoints people

555
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:46,519
who are responsible, uh and and are in favor of disclosure,

556
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,240
you know, then the president has got to there's a

557
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,599
period of time, and it's set forth in the statute,

558
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880
going back and forth him nominating in the Senate approving

559
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,920
just like just like a Supreme Court justice. You know,

560
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,039
that the process is putting together this nine person panel,

561
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,680
and then this panel is going to be drafting per

562
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,160
the bill is going to be drafting a UFO controlled

563
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:20,440
disclosure campaign plan. This says that, okay, and the statute

564
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,759
has a seven year sunset clause, so that all you

565
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,359
have to do is be able to read a statute

566
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880
and say, ah, look what they're talking about. They're talking

567
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,119
about doing this process over a seven year period, so

568
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,599
that it's not going to be the Summer of disclosure

569
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,519
where they're going to go boom and they're going to

570
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,720
give it all to us. You know that this is

571
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:44,000
going to be a seven year process, a pursue into

572
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,039
which they will roll out this information seriatum. At the

573
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:53,920
same time, the long delayed efforts to start adjusting our

574
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:57,960
human institutions on our planet to be able to absorb

575
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,960
this information taking place. That's another one of the things

576
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,440
our new Paradigm Institute is doing that no one else

577
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,199
is doing, because they're all waiting to see whether or

578
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,280
not they're actually going to divulge the information. And they're saying, look,

579
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,280
it's no use wasting our time figuring out how to

580
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,400
respond to the divulgence of this information Until we know

581
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,599
they're going to do it now, that doesn't seem rational

582
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,639
to us at the New Paradigm instut We think we

583
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,719
ought to be prepared for this, you know. We we

584
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,679
think we ought to figure out how we're going to

585
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:39,079
adjust our financial institutions, you know, our other economic institutions,

586
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,719
our basic religious institutions, you know, our universities. How are

587
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,840
we going to what kind of courses are we going

588
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,679
to have to have teaching our next generation of students,

589
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,280
you know, in our entire human family about how to

590
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,239
absorb this information. They're going to have to be whole

591
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,079
majors in courses on how to do that. You know.

592
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: So, I don't think a lot of people have thought

593
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:03,400
about this.

594
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: They haven't thought about that. Ye're they're thinking, that's why

595
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,119
the New Paradigmst. Dude is doing it. Say, look at

596
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,119
we know that it's true. We know they've got the information,

597
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,159
we know they've given it to the Senate. We know

598
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,559
the Senate has the information, we know that they've agreed

599
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,920
to pass the bill. We know that we can get

600
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,320
it passed eventually through the House, and so that why

601
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,320
postpone doing this? This is this is like being a

602
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,440
bad student, like you know, waiting until a week before

603
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,760
the finals to start reading the material.

604
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:34,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that would be me.

605
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 5: It's a bad it's a bad student, you know. Uh.

606
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,960
And so that we ought to we ought to be

607
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,360
wise about what we're doing here. We know that the

608
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,800
civilization exists, we know they're coming and going from our planet.

609
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,719
We know that they have bases here on our planet.

610
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,239
And it's almost certain, though we're not totally certain yet,

611
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,000
that that that the National Security State people must have

612
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,159
established some sort of line of communication with them. There

613
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,880
have to be at least some protocols that are in place,

614
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,960
you know, and there needs to be steps taken. Some

615
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,920
steps have been taken, I assume by the extraterrestrial people

616
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,360
to try to deter our National Security State from shooting

617
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,199
them down like they've been doing, you know. I mean,

618
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,800
we're fortunate that they haven't responded, you know, in some

619
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,199
kind of violent way. And so what they've done is

620
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,079
they've just refused to come when they try to lure

621
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:33,079
them in, you know. And and you know, you raise

622
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:39,079
the issue of the the SkyWatch people or people do say, oh,

623
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,719
you know that the SkyWatch people are now reaching out

624
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,960
directly to them and inviting them to come in so

625
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,239
they can show that they're really here. The problem is

626
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:52,800
that's all being financed privately by investors, not public interests.

627
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,960
It's not a five oh one C three. It's a

628
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,880
private for profit, you know, funding a group of investors.

629
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,840
Say what do they or do they think they're purchasing here?

630
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,280
You know, they're gonna they're gonna try to get patents

631
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,960
on the technology, you know, And so that we the

632
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,679
people that the way this ought to be treated is

633
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,159
just like with Franklin Roosevelt. You know, at the end

634
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,000
of the depression, he had the rural Electrification program that

635
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,039
there was federal tax money paid to figure out how

636
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,519
to establish electric power lines to get to the people

637
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,599
that lived in the countryside, you know, and all of

638
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,800
that was funded by the by the United States taxpayers.

639
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,400
And the same thing with building the highways. You know

640
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,119
that the highways aren't owned by private you know, toll companies.

641
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,559
You know that they're there, they were built, they were

642
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,079
financed and built by our tax money, you know. And

643
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:45,920
the fact of the matter is that's the way we

644
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,559
have to treat this technology. This technology, it needs to

645
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:53,920
be available for everybody, okay. Uh. And so the whole world,

646
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,320
our whole human family has to has to gain from

647
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,400
getting this information, not just a tiny few aerospace corporations

648
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,840
that are going to make trillions of dollars by owning

649
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,079
the technology and licensing it back to the government that

650
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:13,360
actually captured these craft and are giving them to them.

651
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,800
You know, that's a terrible business.

652
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,199
Speaker 2: Plan, it is, but it's so powerful, you know, the

653
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,719
power behind companies like this is, as you know, is tremendous.

654
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Would you mind silencing your phone?

655
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: Just yeah, oh, it's it's in another location. Sorry, yeah, okay.

656
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,519
So here's a question up here, and this is interesting.

657
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:46,760
I've seen this, uh put out out there and it's

658
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,320
a question. I don't know if you can still hear me. Yeah,

659
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,159
it's on the thank you for doing that. The bog

660
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,800
I don't know how you spell the buga sphere found

661
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,199
in Columbia, and uh, you know, I've I've seen some

662
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,079
images of that.

663
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, here's a not a very

664
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,400
good image of it. But it's interesting they're saying there.

665
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,599
Speaker 2: There's some type a lot of debates about it, whether

666
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:12,320
it's really something or not.

667
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,079
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've looked into any of that.

668
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I am. You know, I just I just talked.

669
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,480
I just talked this morning with HAIMI. That's Heimie holding

670
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,280
it that you see right there. Yeah, okay, yeah, that

671
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,159
the the instant that happened. Uh. Jimi called me, uh

672
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,920
and we discussed this, and I agreed that it was

673
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,239
worthy to go and check it out. He went to

674
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,599
Columbia right away and secured it. Uh. They've been, they've been.

675
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,239
I've asked them to be careful not to not to

676
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,800
engage in any type of experimentations with it that could

677
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,760
in any way damage the device. Uh. They've taken X

678
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,079
rays of it, MRIs. They are doing all kinds of

679
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:57,760
efforts try to see what's in it. Uh. He has

680
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:04,679
told me that there's there's fiber optic technology inside the device.

681
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:10,079
The device was was video flying around is on video phones.

682
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:14,199
He has secured copies of the videos. Uh, and he

683
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,280
has the device. You know, I recommended right he called

684
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,880
me right away, and I recommended that he get in

685
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,960
touch with Gary Nolan at Stanford University, who has the

686
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:32,159
kind of scientific instrumentalities capable of evaluating at sub atomic levels, uh,

687
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,639
the makeup of the material of which it's made. UH

688
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,360
and and can figure out ways of seeing inside the device,

689
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,559
et cetera. Uh, that Jimi was concerned about trying to

690
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:51,000
bring the the the ball, you know, through customs into

691
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,119
the United States. He was afraid that it could be impounded,

692
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:58,159
you know, even for potential national security reasons.

693
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,119
Speaker 1: And so I think that's pretty legitimate worry.

694
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so and so see so that you know,

695
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,480
I mean that it's now that as you see the

696
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:10,880
shote of it, that that's no known language, those kind

697
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,880
of symbols and stuff that are all around the edge

698
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,639
of it, that that does not even does not look

699
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,000
like the same kind of symbols that I saw on

700
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,679
the bottom of the the the dome of the saucer

701
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,880
that I saw back in nineteen seventy someth This is

702
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,400
something different, you know, And there's there's no telling exactly

703
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,639
what this is right now. But Haimi has it that

704
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,760
I've been consulting with him. He's been extraordinarily careful to

705
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,239
maintain the chain of custody on this so that we

706
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,760
know that no one else is getting access to it.

707
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,239
He keeps a close record of anybody who's been near it.

708
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,119
That that that Haimi had asked Gary Nolan to come

709
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,000
down to Mexico to to to investigate it down there.

710
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,079
But you know, but the fact is, the equipment that

711
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,880
Gary would need to analyze it his back to Stanford,

712
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,119
it's not exactly portable, you know, this type of equipment

713
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,519
it's necessary to do this. So we're going to get

714
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:14,519
this worked out and get this brought to him in

715
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,400
the same same way that there's now been some very

716
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,639
major work done on some of the other artifacts that

717
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,079
have been found. You have the mummies that were down

718
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,800
in Ecuador that they've done all kinds of MRI investigations

719
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:36,480
of those, They've been doing genetic uh uh examinations of

720
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,960
the genetic material of those mummies that have been recovered. Uh.

721
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,840
There are these stones that have been recovered that are

722
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:51,039
down in Mexico that have uh carvings that have clear

723
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,599
like et beings on them and and saucers UFOs, you know,

724
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,519
and that there's a lot of major scientific work that's

725
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:04,239
being done on those things that our new Paradigm Institute

726
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:12,440
is involved in attempting to facilitate completely professional, totally objective

727
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,320
examinations of these things to get out in a way

728
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,119
from just wild rumors flying everywhere and we will exercise

729
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:26,960
great care over this and make this information available. And

730
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,480
you know, we're going to be extremely careful about what

731
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,840
it is that we affirm or endorse, because many people

732
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,440
are going to be relying upon the New Paradigm Institute

733
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,159
as a reference for being able to conclude what is

734
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,159
realistically true about these things, not just these these artifacts,

735
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,880
but all kinds of stuff. You know, I'm going to

736
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,159
be going and interviewing a person who asserts quite convincingly

737
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,119
so far that he was one of the people that

738
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,360
was present at the Trinity crash in nineteen forty five.

739
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:06,119
That we've now we now know where he lives. He's

740
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,239
living with his daughter here in the United States. We're

741
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,119
going to go and be interviewing him. So this is

742
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,320
what the New Paradigm Institute is doing, and we're trying

743
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,400
to do it in cooperation with all of the other

744
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,119
citizen groups with MUFFAN, you know, we're in close collaboration

745
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,880
with the people at the UFO contacting the desert people there.

746
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,800
And we just had a meeting today of sixteen different

747
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:40,039
organizations that had a long hour and a half zoom together.

748
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:43,639
How we're going to coordinate and cooperate here to try

749
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,320
to give the kind of support to the people in

750
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,119
Congress that need to have it to be able to

751
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,280
get these bills passed and to get this process underway.

752
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:55,920
But at the same time, as you point out, we

753
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:00,400
need to have somebody figuring out what the chain ages

754
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,880
are that we're going to have to make in our culture,

755
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,480
you know, and our religions. You are going to have

756
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,800
to have somebody that's in communication with Leo, you know,

757
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,679
the fourteenth to have them discuss what it is they're

758
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,280
going to be doing. You can you can bet that

759
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,320
the people over there are already in discussions about what

760
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,239
to do if the United States passes this law and

761
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,199
starts a process of disclosure that the Vatican is going

762
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,000
to have to respond to this. They're going to have

763
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:36,719
to consider, you know, updating a lot of their theology

764
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,760
to to take into account this dimension of reality that

765
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,360
they have not yet done. So this is an extraordinarily

766
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,920
exciting period, Martin. I mean, this is this if we

767
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,639
can get if we can get the National security state

768
00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:00,800
boot you know, off our next here and and keep

769
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,559
them from trying to transmute this extraordinary opportunity into this

770
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:12,760
potential for terrible disaster, you know, by by poisoning our

771
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,519
relationship with the extraterrestrial civilization. You know, we're we're in

772
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,880
the process right now having to establish the protocols to

773
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,119
pursue it to which we're going to be conducting our

774
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:27,639
relations with this extraterrestrial civilization for the next ten thousand years.

775
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,159
I mean right now. I mean this in this five

776
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:34,719
to seven year period that we're in right now, you know,

777
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,960
and so that we've got to take seriously what's happening here,

778
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:42,840
because people, you know, five hundred years from now are

779
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,639
going to look back at this particular time and say,

780
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,159
how responsible were you about figuring out these protocols and

781
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,679
protecting our agency, protecting our human rights in the face

782
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,320
of this new civilization. We don't want to be like

783
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,400
that little eye in the South Pacific back in nineteen

784
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,440
fifty five that didn't know there was a world outside

785
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960
of their island, and as soon as they got discovered,

786
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:12,000
you know, within the months, their entire civilization collapsed because

787
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,159
they had they had not been able to accommodate this

788
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,960
massive influx of new technology and information. We can allow

789
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:26,039
that to happen in the National security State is trying

790
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,960
to threaten US, you know now, threatening to put people

791
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:33,360
in prison if they talk about this, even threatening to

792
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,719
potentially kill people to keep this secret, all under the

793
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,559
auspices of the fact that somehow the Russians are going

794
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:43,480
to find out national security.

795
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,199
Speaker 2: I want to play a clip for you. I think

796
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,199
you'll really like it a lot. Now, this was I

797
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,599
recorded this at the first hearing. But before I want

798
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,320
to also say I do want to talk about what

799
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,320
Kevin Wright wrote that the disinformation paper. We'll be talking

800
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,079
about that next. But I want to run this clip

801
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,639
for you because I turned around at the hearing and

802
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,400
I saw this father, father Gray was his name, and

803
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,039
I recorded this little clip right here.

804
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,679
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you so much for being willing.

805
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: To talk absolutely, and I'm sorry to the listeners for

806
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:13,360
the background noise here.

807
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: Nothing I can do about it.

808
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,159
Speaker 6: So your name, please, name is father Matthew Gray.

809
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,519
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you. And I wanted to

810
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,679
find out why are you here at the UAP hearing.

811
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 6: Because if this is true, which I personally believe it

812
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,880
is true, this is life changing. This is this is

813
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,599
something that is not an American issue. It's it's a

814
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,639
global issue. It's a human issue. And truth is truth.

815
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,480
Truth needs to be known as much as anything else.

816
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 5: We have a right to know.

817
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:50,039
Speaker 6: And you have kind of delve into the implications of it.

818
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,159
And this affects everything.

819
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: Right, And so I know you're not speaking for the church.

820
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 6: Right not to speaking for the church. Just came here

821
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,400
on my own volition. Cad of course, got the priest

822
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,280
and I wanted to know more about Yeah, there, and.

823
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: What do you think about what the Pope has said

824
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,400
over the years about the possibility of extra trustrial life.

825
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 6: The Church has always been open to it. Anything that

826
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,800
exists was exists because God created, So why would he

827
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,920
not have created non human intelligences other than ourselves. You know,

828
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,199
it further shows his goodness, his creativity, and the goodness

829
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:29,400
of God. So the Church has always been open to

830
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,639
the possibility. In fact, Hope, Saint John Paul the Second

831
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,960
was doing an interview, you know, a greeting line. A

832
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,679
little girl came up to him and she asked him

833
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,400
straight out, Holy Father, do aliens exist? And he could

834
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,800
have said no, he could have said, oh, that's silly,

835
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:49,840
but he just stopped what he was doing, turned to

836
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,000
the little girl and said, don't ever forget if they're

837
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:55,679
created by God and.

838
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 5: Should be loved.

839
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,679
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I thought that's beautiful.

840
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 6: That's thee essence of Christianity, right, It's essence of our

841
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,760
faith to love one another and to treat each other

842
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,079
with respect. Yeah, so I think that was I'm looking

843
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,440
forward to the church going talking out more openly, especially

844
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:13,559
as we ourselves are about.

845
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,199
Speaker 1: Now the observatories.

846
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: The Catholic Church has amazing observatories too, one in Rome.

847
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: And one of the United States.

848
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: And do you know anything about have you ever ever

849
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,440
heard anything about? I forget the name of the Father,

850
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,280
that's the astronomy.

851
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: Forget his name too?

852
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 6: Is two thousand and six and twenty sixteen, two different

853
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,360
statements that they came out about. You know, if aliens

854
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,360
do exist, then that just further shows God's creativity.

855
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:44,599
Speaker 1: And his goodness.

856
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,599
Speaker 6: You know that it is possible, so it does not

857
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:47,519
rule that out at all.

858
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: And I think there was something about baptizing them too.

859
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:50,679
Did I hear that one?

860
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that one.

861
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: That would be interesting.

862
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:53,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

863
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,679
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. It's a pleasure of meeting you,

864
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,880
and thank you for coming. And I'm glad you have

865
00:50:59,039 --> 00:50:59,880
the curiosity.

866
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,679
Speaker 6: Absolutely, stay curious and thank you for asking you back.

867
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

868
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: Right at the very end, you see lou Alizonda walking

869
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,320
over to coffee. But what do you think about you know,

870
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,639
I mean, he shows that they're at least open minded too,

871
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,679
you know, the possibility, and you know, he kind of

872
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,360
says that, you know, the Catholic Church is more or

873
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,400
less open to the possibility that you know, God created

874
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,639
and so I think, you know, I think, you know,

875
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,719
you mentioned this about religions and I don't think.

876
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: I think maybe in some religions, but not so much.

877
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,880
Probably the Catholic religion may be one of the ones

878
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,960
that may accept more than others. I'm not sure, but.

879
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,559
Speaker 2: They seem to be aware that there's a possibility of it.

880
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, the fellow whose name he couldn't remember is

881
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,639
jose gablerel Funez. Okay, thank you for that friend of mine.

882
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,440
He is he is the he was the head of

883
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,000
the Papal Observatory. He is the one who issued the

884
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:07,239
statement on behalf of Pope Benedict the sixteenth on the

885
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,280
November tenth of two thousand and nine. Actually the much

886
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,599
more fulsome quote of saying that in light of the

887
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:19,800
discovery of more and more of these new exo planets.

888
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,199
It has now become clear that much sooner than had

889
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,159
been previously anticipated, life is going to be discovered elsewhere

890
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,519
in the universe, and therefore the time has arrived to

891
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:38,920
commence the important conversation about the profound philosophical and theological

892
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,679
questions that are opposed to our human family by the

893
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,880
discovery of life elsewhere in the universe. So I took

894
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,199
advantage of the fact that I'd been the Chief Council

895
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,480
of the United States Jesuit headquarters in their National Social

896
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,320
Ministry Office for ten years and contactedse Gabriel Funez. Immediately

897
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,519
flew to see him and sat down, and then we

898
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,920
started to discuss this, and within two minutes he said, look, Danny,

899
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,960
let's be clear. You know, we're not talking about discovering

900
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,480
some single cell life form under some frozen sea, you know,

901
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,880
on some distant moons circling a planet in some far

902
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:21,360
distant star systems. We're talking about another highly intelligent, highly

903
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,840
technologically developed, but distinctly non human species right here in

904
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,199
our Milky Way galaxy. That's what he said. So I mean,

905
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,440
that is what they know, you know, I mean, and

906
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,599
they know what's going on. I mean, this is an

907
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:41,559
extraordinarily sophisticated group, the Jesuits, more so than most of

908
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,320
them in the Catholic Church. That's why I was there,

909
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,599
you know for ten years from nineteen seventy five to

910
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:52,840
nineteen eighty five, you know, and I know that they're

911
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,880
the ones that authorized me to serve as special counsel

912
00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,079
to the investigation that was asked.

913
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:09,039
Speaker 7: For by President Carter, you know, back in nineteen seventy seven.

914
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,760
So we know, we know that this is real, and

915
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,880
the tactical question about how we go about revealing this

916
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,519
to people in a democracy should not be under the

917
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,039
control of the national security state.

918
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 5: You know. They have they have a certain prism or

919
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:36,960
lens through which they see everything. I mean, that's their job.

920
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,239
I mean, that's what they're assigned to do. So we

921
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,599
have to get control of this and get it into

922
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:46,719
the hands of Congress right away.

923
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I want to say goodbye to everyone

924
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,119
over at KGRA Radio. Thanks so much, And next week

925
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:56,360
will be several interviews. I have a bunch of them scheduled,

926
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,360
so I'm not really sure how I'm going to work

927
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,559
all that in, but but we'll be back next week

928
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,159
with probably Ross Coldheart and Ben Hansen and a few

929
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,280
others like that. So thanks so much over at KGr

930
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Radio and see you next week.

931
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: So I'm going to continue on a little bit. So

932
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,920
let's talk about I saw first I saw on Twitter

933
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:20,440
this paper that I'm going to pull it up here.

934
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,679
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, that's one wet we put out from the

935
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,639
New Paradigm Institute. Right, that's right.

936
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: Looks like someone put a lot I know it was

937
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Kevin who actually put a lot of work into this, right,

938
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,719
that's right. Yeah, And Kevin's been on the show a

939
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:39,480
few times. He's a great guy, real positive person to

940
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:40,440
have with you.

941
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 5: There.

942
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: Now, let me just try to expand this out a

943
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,719
little bit. I don't know if I can really do that,

944
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:49,119
but I will try. And so let's kind of go

945
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,760
over what this is about and all that. Let me see,

946
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,719
I don't know if I can do this, but anyway,

947
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,280
this here's the abstract here. I'll have this down in

948
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the show notes as well. This is a PDF that's

949
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actually online. And do you want to just quickly, you know,

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touch on exactly what you have.

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Speaker 5: What this is is a primer basically for American citizens

952
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who aren't familiar with all of this. This has been

953
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the substance of what I've been working on for fifty years,

954
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you know, of all this information about the history, the

955
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now undisputed history of the activities on the part of

956
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the National security State to lie to us and to

957
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manipulate the news. Not that this isn't an attack on

958
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,159
the news media, it says, it's a it's a criticism

959
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,159
of the National security State infrastructure, the Central Intelligence Agencies

960
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,719
operation as a directorate to be specific, you know, working

961
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in joint harmony with the Joint Special Operations Command of

962
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the Pentagon. You know that they've engaged in a series

963
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of programs of generating active disinformation. That's what they call it.

964
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That's the euphemism for big fat lies. That they just

965
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,239
flat lie, you know, and that there's as you see,

966
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a deliberate and strategic distortion of facts. That's another euphemism

967
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,760
for a big fat lie, you know. And that and

968
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that's what they're doing. And they've been engaged in big

969
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:40,840
fat lies about the UFO issue ever since nineteen forty seven,

970
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,800
you know, when they flat out lied and said that

971
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they had not recovered a UFO, that it was a

972
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,159
crash weather balloon, and then when the American people weren't

973
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:59,000
really buying that and kept on reporting seeing these UFOs

974
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,719
landing in their back art and in their fields and

975
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:05,039
being abducted by them and having direct contact with them.

976
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:11,039
Finding the the the United States National Security State said, okay,

977
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so we're going to put together a panel of independent experts,

978
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you know, and we're going to have a completely independent,

979
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:24,800
objective investigation undertaken. And now, through the work of people

980
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:34,000
such as the Richard Dolan, for example, in his two

981
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,519
volume work called UFOs in the National Security State, he

982
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,639
has gotten through the Freedom of Information Act and direct

983
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:49,920
previously top secret classified documents showing that there was a conscious, intentional,

984
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,840
willful program of lying that was set up, you know,

985
00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:01,000
in the Robinson Panel and in Project blue Book and others,

986
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,599
you know, actively utilizing the tactics that were developed by

987
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:12,840
the National Security State to deceive our ostensible adversaries around

988
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:19,360
the world, utilizing against the American public, actively lying about

989
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,719
this and then using the excuse of, oh, well, we

990
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,719
had to lie to our American people in order to

991
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,440
keep the information from being made available to our adversaries.

992
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:33,239
I mean, this is this has been going on for

993
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:37,639
decades now, you know, for eighty years have they been

994
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,119
doing this? And even when they came to the end

995
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:44,559
of the Cold War, and when Garbagechop explicitly agreed to

996
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:49,119
withdraw from the Cold War and agree to disassemble the

997
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,480
nuclear warheads that their entire arsenal if the United States

998
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,039
would do the same. You know that the administration of

999
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,679
George Bush Senior, you know, with his Secretary of Defense,

1000
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,960
Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby and that

1001
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:09,960
whole crowd inside the Defense Department, they immediately rejoiced and said, good,

1002
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,719
now we can establish full spectrum military dominance over the

1003
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:18,280
whole planet. And they actually said it. They had the

1004
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,800
nineteen ninety two United States Defense Department Policy Planning Guidance document.

1005
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,920
It was a top secret document where they were rejoicing

1006
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,079
over the fact that they were going to be able

1007
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,800
to establish military dominance over the planet. And that's what

1008
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,599
these eight hundred military bases are that are all around

1009
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:39,960
the planet right now. And so what this document is

1010
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:43,800
is the new Paradigm Institute going forward and just very

1011
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:51,119
carefully explicating the undisputed record now that demonstrates the lying

1012
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:55,480
that they've been engaged in, not only about the UFO issue,

1013
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:58,920
but a handful of other programs that they engaged in,

1014
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,800
for example, Operate Mockingbird, where we discovered that, you know,

1015
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:09,920
there were forty two full time paid Central Intelligence Agency

1016
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,880
people embedded inside major news media, you know, usually as

1017
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,239
national security specialists. You know that they were national security reporters.

1018
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,920
And what they were doing is they were stifling news

1019
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,119
going out to the American public. When we for example,

1020
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,199
we did the Iran contract case, you know, where we

1021
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,719
caught them smuggling weapons to the Contras, you know, out

1022
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,880
of the Pentagon and the CIA in absolute total defiance

1023
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,599
of Congress that had passed an actual law prohibiting them

1024
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:48,239
from providing any weapons to the Contris. Because the Concerts

1025
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:53,039
were international criminals and everybody knew it. And when we

1026
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,760
caught them doing it and we got we brought information

1027
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,320
to the New York Times, the National security at as

1028
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,880
at the New York Times instructed their reporters, Keith Schnyder,

1029
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:13,199
it was the guy. They they said that when it

1030
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:18,000
was an embarrassing situation, when when Eugene Hasenfuss was shot down,

1031
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:20,719
the C one twenty three was shot down over Nicaragua,

1032
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:24,199
and Cooper and Sawyer were killed. The two the pilot

1033
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:28,920
Copa and in Hassenphus was captured by the contrast. I

1034
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,360
got the call. I got the call from the Secretary

1035
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,000
of State of Nicaragua to send a Catholic priest down

1036
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,000
to interview Hassenpus because he was hysterical and thinking he

1037
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,960
was going to be locked away in a gulag somewhere

1038
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,280
for the rest of his life. And so Father Bill

1039
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,079
Davis I sent him down to interview him, and and

1040
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:51,800
Father Davis explained to him in detail that we knew

1041
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,599
all about what they were doing, and and he convinced

1042
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:56,440
him that we knew all about it because it was true.

1043
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,920
And so Hassenpuss then gave a public statement revealing what

1044
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:05,840
they were doing, and the whole thing started coming unwound, okay,

1045
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,559
And so that there was a major event that was

1046
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:12,599
held in New York at the New School for Social Research,

1047
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:18,519
and I was on stage along with reporters from CBS

1048
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:23,119
and New York Times and others, and the it was

1049
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:26,199
all reporters that there were like one hundred reporters in

1050
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:29,559
the room. This was such a hot story coming out right,

1051
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,159
And one of them confronted the the New York Times,

1052
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:39,559
a foreign desk editor, and said, you know all this

1053
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,000
stuff about the Christic Instidy. The Christic inter has been

1054
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:44,760
talking about this for a year, telling everybody about this.

1055
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,360
Why is it you haven't published anything about it? And

1056
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,000
he said, I don't know. I don't know why we

1057
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,800
haven't bought anybody. And so they said, well, look, would

1058
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,360
you agree to send a reporter down to talk to

1059
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,920
Dan Shian and the people at the Christic Institute have

1060
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,800
been doing this investigation. Would you agree to do that?

1061
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,280
And he said, okay, yes, I'll do that. So he

1062
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:12,039
sent down Keith Snyder, who was the agricultural reporter for

1063
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:14,960
the New York Times. He didn't have the slightest idea

1064
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,559
who the contras were. He didn't know anything about foreign policy,

1065
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,719
he didn't know anything about Central America. And so I

1066
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,400
started to explain it to him in some detail and

1067
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:29,800
showed in documents and everything, and so he was astonished.

1068
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,119
He said, oh wow. And he goes back to his

1069
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,559
editors and he lays it all out for them, and

1070
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:38,199
I'm waiting for the story to come out. Nothing happens

1071
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,039
for like or three or five days. So I called him.

1072
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:43,239
I said, Keith was the story. He said, Oh, I've

1073
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,719
got to come down and talk to you. He comes

1074
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,920
down and he said, well, the National Security editors said

1075
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,079
that we couldn't publish anything about this, and in fact,

1076
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,880
they wanted us to write a story it was critical

1077
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,559
of the Christic Institute. And I said, well, let's I said,

1078
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,960
why don't I take and introduce you to some of

1079
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,280
the pilots that are flying the weapons down there, uh

1080
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,880
and actually flying the cocaine back, you know, uh into

1081
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,039
the United States. And so I did. I introduced him

1082
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,679
to it, and they showed him the maps that they had,

1083
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:19,760
the codewords they used to fly in to the bases

1084
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,880
down there. He goes running back to his running back

1085
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,559
to his editors and told him, look at what we've got.

1086
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:29,360
We've got the goods on these people completely uh. And

1087
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,599
he was told by the National Security reporter that he

1088
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:33,360
couldn't report it.

1089
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: And so they make them look like fools.

1090
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: Really, they've got people embedded in there. And this isn't

1091
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,079
this isn't to justify the right wing attack on the

1092
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:46,199
news media, you know. This is this is to point

1093
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:49,840
out that the national security state that we began this

1094
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:55,920
conversation about, uh, is so pervasive in the country. Uh

1095
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,920
that this article that we've written from the New Paradigm

1096
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:04,639
Institute laying out undisputed proof that they've been engaged in

1097
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:10,559
this kind of systematic lying in manipulating the American public

1098
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,480
all on behalf, not of some left wing agenda like

1099
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,559
the Trump people are saying, but actually on behalf of

1100
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:24,719
protecting the activities of the national security state, which is,

1101
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:28,320
according to the nineteen ninety two United States Defense Department

1102
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:33,159
Policy Planning Guidance Document, the objective of maintaining our continued

1103
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:38,599
privileged access to the strategic raw materials needed by the

1104
01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:42,719
major corporations of our country. Because they believed that was

1105
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,719
good for general motors, is good for the country that

1106
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,880
you know, if you can get the research, if the

1107
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,960
military secures control over the resources, the resources go to

1108
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,679
the corporations, they produce more material, they give more jobs,

1109
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,239
they pay more taxes. You know, that's what they believe.

1110
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,880
The problem is, that's what fascism is. That's exactly what

1111
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,559
Mussolini wrote about in his essay in nineteen thirty three.

1112
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:13,000
That is the putting at the disposal of the major

1113
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:16,159
corporations the instrumentalities of the government.

1114
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: I have heard that a lot of times we'll get

1115
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:23,480
involved in some type of conflict because of the resources

1116
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:27,280
like lithium or oil, you know, I mean otherwise, if

1117
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,960
it was a poor country and they're fighting like the

1118
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,840
Houtsis or whatever, they're fighting among themselves, genocide, and we're

1119
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,719
not even getting involved in it because.

1120
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 5: There's no resources comte. And you have Dave Talbot's book,

1121
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:46,679
it's called The Great Chess Game, you know, in the

1122
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:52,320
or the Devil's Chase, Devil's Chess Board, it's called David Talbot,

1123
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,599
and he details again all the details of how the

1124
01:07:55,639 --> 01:08:00,719
Central Intelligence Agency is actually instigating wars in areas where

1125
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,159
they want to get a hold of their resources, you know,

1126
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:10,360
and over through the government, the democratically elected government in Iran,

1127
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,960
through throughout most of the deck and put in the

1128
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:18,079
Shaw of Iran because he would agree to allow the

1129
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:22,239
United States oil corporations to come in and take control

1130
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:27,319
of all their oil. Now this is not crazy off,

1131
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:32,079
bizarre talk. This is all very clearly established now over

1132
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:35,640
the last fifty years. You know, I've spent fifty years

1133
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,920
since the time I was at Jesuit headquarters laying this

1134
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:41,920
out in details, been willing to go into courts of

1135
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:45,359
law and present the evidence to jurys having to climb

1136
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:49,920
over the top of judges that have been appointed by

1137
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,920
the National security state. The judges we had in the

1138
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,800
Iran contract case, James Lawrence King, you know, was appointed

1139
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,000
by Richard Nixon, trained by the Central Intelligence Agency as

1140
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:06,239
a Central Intelligence Agency judge. You know, direct witnesses who

1141
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,399
saw him being trained by them, and he just did

1142
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,359
everything in the world he could to keep us from

1143
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,960
getting it revealed that they were smuggling weapons to the

1144
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,920
contrast in complete defiance of Congress, you know, and then

1145
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,199
you still discover Oh, look at he was. He was

1146
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:25,520
nominated at the recommendation of BB Riboso, a major criminal

1147
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,760
in the mafia, not in Miami. You know that James

1148
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,960
Lawrence King was a former member of the board of

1149
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:36,359
directors of the of Meyer Lanski's National Bank of Miami,

1150
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:40,520
the treasurer for the mafia. I mean, look at, look

1151
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,359
at But it isn't I'm not suggesting that people run

1152
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,520
and jump out of a first story window because you're

1153
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,279
discovering that there's no Santa Claus. You know. What I'm

1154
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:53,640
saying here is that this, this entire UFO issue is

1155
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:59,159
revelatory of the continued operations of a national security state

1156
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,279
in our country, and everybody else around the world knows

1157
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:07,600
about it, you know, it's us here in the United

1158
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,399
States that don't bother to pay attention to that, you know.

1159
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,640
And so that what I'm saying is is that since

1160
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,720
there is such a consensus across the entire political spectrum

1161
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,159
of people who want to know about the UFOs and

1162
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:27,079
want to know about the extraterrestrial civilization that they represent

1163
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,000
and the species, the different species that are coming and

1164
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:33,399
going from our planet, you know that this is an

1165
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,359
opportunity for us to stand down this national security state

1166
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:44,000
and to establish a treaty among Russia in the United States,

1167
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:48,119
and China, in India and all the major governments of

1168
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:52,479
the world that we will agree not to shoot down

1169
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,000
the UFOs, not to engage in warlike activities against them,

1170
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,199
not to in fact use their technology to try to

1171
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,560
develop an entire new generation of weapons against each other.

1172
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:07,520
That we're going to We're going to work together as

1173
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,079
a human family to try to figure out what kind

1174
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:15,079
of amendment we need to make to our institutions, our

1175
01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:20,760
governing institutions, our economic institutions, our religious institutions, our universities,

1176
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,079
our educational institutions. What kind of changes are we having

1177
01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:28,520
to make here in order to absorb this information and

1178
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,600
have it be mutually beneficial for all of us and

1179
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,359
or the extraterrestrial civilization, assuming that we have something unique

1180
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:43,439
to contribute other than cage fighting, you know, you know,

1181
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and uh and the and pornography. You know. I mean

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that that we've we've got to we've got to be

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able to elevate our human consciousness and merit citizenship in

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this galactic civilization, and that this presents us with an

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absolutely unique opportunity to do this. But we have to

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be willing to be honest with ourselves and to recognize.

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I mean, we can let them get away with saying, oh,

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because of the Cold War, we got in the habit

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of lying to our people to conceal the evidence from

1190
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our adversaries, and we just didn't know enough to stop.

1191
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:27,000
You know, when the Soviet Union dissolved, he said, let's

1192
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:30,079
stop this craziness that we just got. Our momentum kind

1193
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:34,079
of carried us on, you know, for another thirty forty years.

1194
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,039
You know, fine, fine, let them apologize to us about it,

1195
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:41,840
you know, And we'll understand. Okay, you're only human, you know,

1196
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:46,359
you got carried away. But we've got to undo this now. Okay,

1197
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,119
We've got to find out what's really going on. We've

1198
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got to get beneath this problem, to tell our people

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what the truth is and get busy changing our institutions

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on our planet so that we can benefit from this

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01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,680
and share the benefits with all of our human family.

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That's what the New Paradigm Institute is all about. And

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,520
so that we're asking people to contact us at New

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,680
Paradigm Institute dot org. There it is right at the

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,079
bottom of the of the screen and become members of

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01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:22,600
Citizens for Disclosure. You know, that is totally free. You know,

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you just sign up, you come in, you click the link,

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01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,720
and you can be made a member of the Citizens

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01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:34,000
for Disclosure. You give us your your ZIP code so

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01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:36,760
that we know what your congressional district is, so we

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can send to you crafted customized information about your congress person.

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You know, eighty five percent of the people in the

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01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:48,000
country don't even know who their congress person is, you know,

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And so that we say, okay, look at we're we're

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here to be of assistance. You know, we'll share with me.

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,920
Who your congress person is, Here's how they voted on everything.

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01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:59,279
Here are the ones that really support what we're doing.

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Here the ones that need more information. Show to them

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,800
that you're willing to support them if they'll, if they'll

1220
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:09,079
help get this information out. This is a course in

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,640
civics UFO issue.

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01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, i'd like to I'd like to post some

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,399
questions of some people have put your questions up here

1224
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for you, and then we'll be wrapping up soon after that.

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Speaker 1: Was anything this is? Thank you Thomas for this.

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Speaker 2: Was anything from the last three hearings revolutionary from your

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perspective as someone who is in the legal field.

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Speaker 5: No, no, but but that's not the fair standard. I mean,

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you know, I've been I've been working on this for

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01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:46,000
fifty years, and I'm thoroughly familiar with all the other

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01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:48,960
kind of things they've done, the machinations they've done. The

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question if you just if you'd allow me to kind

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01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,840
of reframe it. Was there anything that might be viewed

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01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,239
as revolutionary from the point of view of the average

1235
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:01,319
American citizen? Yes? Yeah, know, when when you have when

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you have David Grush sit in front of them and

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say here, I was the Laison from the National Reconnaissance Office. Uh,

1238
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you know, one of the most highly sophisticated intelligence units

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of our entire government. And I was assigned to the

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,880
UFO Task Force. And I'm telling you that, based on

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,399
interviewing forty live people, uh, that I'm convinced that we're

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in possession of a non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and

1243
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:34,199
the bodies of the non human occupants of it that

1244
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:38,359
have been verified now to be non human. Okay, that

1245
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,439
is revolutionary for the average person to hear that.

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01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:43,319
Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And when and when you hear Luis Elizondo in the

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hearing being asked by by Berlinger Berlin, Uh, Burleson, you know,

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:00,920
Congressman Burlison from the Surry saying, look, mister l if

1250
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,079
you and I were to be allowed to get into

1251
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:07,520
a skiff one of these classified boxes where nobody can eat,

1252
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,359
to drop on you, and since we both have these

1253
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:13,359
security clearances, would you be able to give to me

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01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,039
the evidence that would prove to me as a skeptic

1255
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:21,359
beyond any reasonable doubt that we're in possession of one

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or more non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and the bodies

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of the occupants that have been proven to be non human?

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Number one, do you believe that those things are true?

1259
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And Louis Alexandro said, yes, that's true. Both of those

1260
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things are true. So he said, well, would you be

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able to share with me the evidence that can prove

1262
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,039
that to me? And Alexandro said no, No, I wouldn't

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be allowed to do that. That would have to be

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somebody above me. They would have to be authorizing that.

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What they're telling them is, we're not going to tell you,

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01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,000
we're not going to tell you you the Congress of

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the United States, about the information that we have that

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proves that it's true. Okay, now that is revolutionary. I

1269
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mean the average person now that does that, That is

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even a little bit revolutionary to me, you know, to

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realize that they could have the audacity to tell them

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directly to their face that they're not able to give

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01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,920
them the evidence to show them that it's true. That's

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that's a violation of our constitution. That's why called the complaint.

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Louelzando contacted me and asked me to work with him

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to file the complaint with the Inspector General the Defense

1277
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Department because he was outraged that they were lying to

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the Congress of the United States. You know that they

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wouldn't even that would they not even tell them the truth,

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but they would lie to them and say, oh, we

1281
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don't know what you're talking about. We have no evidence

1282
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that there's any extraterrestrial civilization. We don't we don't have

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any evidence that there's any kind of a non human craft.

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We're you know, it's a total, absolute lie. Or they're

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treating us like we're the enemy. You know that they

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have to treat them in the same way that they

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would treat their enemies. And why are the people their enemies?

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Because we're trying to get access to the resources in

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their countries and we've got eight hundred military bases through

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us to do it, you know, you know, and we're

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cruising around, you know, with massive aircraft carriers. You know,

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it's just like the lie they told about the Vietnam

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War that somehow our innocent warships were just kind of

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cruising on the high seas and they were attacked by

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North Vietnamese gunboats. Total lie, an absolute total fabrication, you know,

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the Bay of ton Kin, and so that they could

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justify sending you know, you know, fifty thousand United States

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marines into their country so they could seize their resources

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and establish a military base on the peninsula of Indo, China,

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you know. I mean, we've got to we've got to

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clearly name the beast here that we're dealing with, you know.

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And it's not Russia, and it's not China, and it's

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certainly not the UFO people. You know, it's the national

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,079
security state in our country, and that we've got to

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01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:20,560
be mature enough to step back away from this, disassemble

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this at the same time we get Russia in China

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to disassemble their national security state, to persuade India to

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start to dissemble, disassemble their national security state so that

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we it's not a matter of stripping ourselves of our

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01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,560
defenses against a potential extraterrestrial attack, you know. I mean,

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that's such poppycock, you know. I mean, these guys could

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dance on our grave if they chose to do that.

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I mean, and it's preposterous that oh Shean's involved in

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01:19:49,079 --> 01:19:51,720
trying to disarm us, you know, so that we can't

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01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:56,239
defend ourselves against the extraterrestrial people. I mean, how totally

1316
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:58,359
ridiculous is that? You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, another question kind of a little bit aimed in

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that direction. What is uh, what is Project Golden Dome

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01:20:07,319 --> 01:20:09,880
really about? And that is you know, that's like a

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defense missile defense system, a layered missile defense system or

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something like that.

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Speaker 5: Right, Well, it's it's it's there's a bit of confusion

1323
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:25,399
going on here because the Trump designated this desire, he

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01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,720
has to spend trillions of dollars, uh, building this an

1325
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,319
iron dome over our country in the same way that

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Israel has built this iron dome over their country. But

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of course, knowing Trump, it couldn't be ironed. It had

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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,000
to be gold you know.

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Speaker 1: And that Oh I thought it was about a missile

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01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,800
system or something. It's not that.

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01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,159
Speaker 5: This that the it is, that's what they call it.

1332
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,960
What it is, it's a missile system that is able

1333
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,920
to knock out the missiles coming in.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: That's what happens in the iron dome in Israel is

1336
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,800
a set of special missiles, anti missile missiles that can

1337
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,279
shoot down missiles coming in. And so it constitutes a

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metaphorical iron dome over the state of Israel. And he's

1339
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talking about trying to do that here in the United States.

1340
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But he's conflating it and I think the questioner was

1341
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:22,119
asking another question. Golden Dome is the actual name of

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01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:27,920
a highly secret, above top secret surveillance system that has

1343
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,680
been developed by the Central Intelligence Agency that is able

1344
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:37,960
to detect UFOs even when they're still cloaked, you know,

1345
01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:40,760
when they're still vibrating it a frequency that makes it

1346
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,680
impossible for us to see them and for our radar

1347
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,560
to detect them. And what they do is they riostat

1348
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,119
down into a lower vibrational frequency and they come into

1349
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:56,960
material manifestation here on our planet. And so that that's like,

1350
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for example, when Matthew Brown was talking in his interview

1351
01:22:02,279 --> 01:22:06,960
UH with with Jeremy Cobbell UH and George Knapp about

1352
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,039
the fact that they had this group of Russian intelligence

1353
01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:14,479
specials out in the Pacific under direct surveillance and they

1354
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,159
were videoing them, and all of a sudden, this big

1355
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:24,079
football field sized triangular craft just slowly materialized right above

1356
01:22:24,119 --> 01:22:27,840
those ships, UH and the and the So that there's

1357
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a there's a technique that the craft have and it's

1358
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UH and so that this Russian intelligence gathering operation was

1359
01:22:37,399 --> 01:22:41,000
somehow able to predict where this thing was going to materialize. Well,

1360
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that process I believe the evidence shows that this is.

1361
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,800
It isn't that they're coming from some other dimension. What

1362
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it is that this is a function of the way

1363
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they transport. Uh. So they have their craft in their

1364
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:58,479
star system, on their planet, and what they do is

1365
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:04,600
they engage in this. Uh. It's like this super technologically

1366
01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:11,159
revved up ability to remote view that they can basically

1367
01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:14,760
remote view a place on our planet. Uh. And they

1368
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can they can visualize their craft being there. Uh. And

1369
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it's a kind of a cop it's a it's a

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variation on the double slit experiment where directed human intention,

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01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:34,760
you know, actually can collapse the wave function so that

1372
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:41,079
an inchoate reality can actually condense out of the range

1373
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of possibilities through directed human intention. That it appears that

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the e T people have developed a technology whereby they

1375
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can they can gin up their ability to focus their

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attention to actually transport a craft from point A to

1377
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point B. And it doesn't require a linear travel. It

1378
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just is like teleportation, you know. And I had a

1379
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:14,279
long interview with edgar Mitchell one time when he was

1380
01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:16,720
still alive, and he told me that his best friend

1381
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whom I deduced, was Cooper, but he didn't it wouldn't

1382
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admit it, but he said saw an actual experiment back

1383
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in the nineteen sixties where they actually had a room

1384
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with a Coca Cola bottle in it and had the

1385
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cooper sign his name on a little piece of paper

1386
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and folded up and put it in the coke bottle,

1387
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and then they turned these this light this ray onto it,

1388
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and it kind of slowly disappeared, and they go over

1389
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into the other room and they walk in there and

1390
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there's the coke bottle slowly materializing, and then they pull

1391
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a little note out of it, and there's his signature.

1392
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And they showed that they actually had figured out some

1393
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of the teleportation technology that these craft actually have h

1394
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and that all of this is by way of answering

1395
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,600
his question about the Golden Domes, the Central Intelligence Agency

1396
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developed a super secret surveillance system called the Golden Domes

1397
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that was able to detect the UFOs before they materialized,

1398
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and they could locate them moving around our planet when

1399
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they were in a non manifest state, and so that

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we could locate them, you know, and people go, oh, no,

1401
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,840
you're divulging one of the most top secret circuits of

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01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,199
our entire government. I said, you know, so what you know,

1403
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,359
what that we can detect the UFOs, you know, fine,

1404
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,880
whether we're what they think, we're espionized agents for the

1405
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,960
UFO civilization or something. No, And it isn't as though

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01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,960
the UFO people didn't know they were doing it, because

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they obviously have known they're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Here's another question here about General high End high Am.

1409
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If she'd uh he's the Israeli space director, why he's

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like he's like ninety five years old or something at

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this point.

1412
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,520
Speaker 1: So I don't think he'll be testifying.

1413
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,039
Speaker 2: I know he's made some comments about extraterrestrials. Do you

1414
01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:18,960
know anything about them?

1415
01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 5: No? I mean I know what he said. I know

1416
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,279
what he said. Uh. And it's not it's not clear

1417
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,720
what the basis is on which he bases it, you know,

1418
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:34,520
So I don't know, uh in. But but the fact

1419
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,239
of the matter is there. As I mentioned earlier, there

1420
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:43,079
are a cadre of witnesses that the that the Senate

1421
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:47,600
Intelligence Committee, the Senate as a whole, the House Oversight

1422
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:53,199
Committee know about and could call publicly to testify. But

1423
01:26:53,279 --> 01:26:58,760
they aren't doing it well in my opinion. In my opinion,

1424
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,279
you know that they're they're failing to perform their constitutional obligation,

1425
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:09,479
you know, and they they it's it's not clear to

1426
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,119
me why they're withholding them. All they have to do

1427
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,840
is start rolling them out one at a time, you know,

1428
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:17,880
and it's going to start convincing more and more members

1429
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,399
of the Senate in the House that they better do

1430
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,399
something about this, you know, because the evidence is overwhelming

1431
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:27,720
about this. They They've got people who have been in

1432
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,880
the room with them. I mentioned that, you know that, Uh,

1433
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,119
what's his head? Trying to remember the guy who testified

1434
01:27:37,159 --> 01:27:43,079
with He mentioned it in Jay Stratton. Jay Stratton used

1435
01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:45,800
to be the head of OUTSAT, which is the Advanced

1436
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,760
Weapons Special Access program you know, in the Pentagon. And

1437
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:54,000
in the latest this documentary film called Age of Disclosure,

1438
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,720
you know, he states right flat out that he has

1439
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,560
been actually physically in the presence of a non human

1440
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:08,560
origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and that he's been in the presence

1441
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,720
scene with his own eyeballs a UFO being.

1442
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: Well, these are the type of people, the type of

1443
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,760
witnesses that are going to move things forward if they,

1444
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,720
you know, testify under oath in front of Congress or

1445
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,319
or some type of body of government.

1446
01:28:27,239 --> 01:28:29,079
Speaker 1: I hope that happens well.

1447
01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:31,359
Speaker 5: And the question is why aren't they doing it? I mean,

1448
01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:33,960
why why isn't the Senate calling him and putting him

1449
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:36,399
right in front of everybody and saying here, so that

1450
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,000
they're playing foot see. I mean they're playing foot seat

1451
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:42,560
with the national security state people, you know, because they

1452
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,520
depend upon the national security state people, you know, and

1453
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,359
that they're they're afraid of the national security state people

1454
01:28:48,399 --> 01:28:51,119
at the same time because they'll knock they'll knock them

1455
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,279
right out of office if they don't, and that the

1456
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:59,159
national security state is calling the shots here. And so

1457
01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:01,439
the real question that people ought to be asking is

1458
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,880
why has the National security state suddenly decided or at

1459
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:11,159
least as of twenty seventeen, why have they decided that

1460
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:13,479
they're going to start coming forward with more and more

1461
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:18,159
of this information, you know? And certain people speculated about it.

1462
01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:21,039
Doctor Stephen Greer says he thinks that they're setting up,

1463
01:29:21,279 --> 01:29:24,640
you know, a false flag attack, so they're trying to

1464
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,039
get people acclimated to the reality that the UFOs are real,

1465
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,359
so that if they stayed such an attack that the

1466
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:33,520
people are going to go crazy and give the national

1467
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,079
security state even more power, you know, to do in

1468
01:29:37,159 --> 01:29:39,359
more money, to do whatever they want with I don't

1469
01:29:39,359 --> 01:29:43,159
agree with that, you know, I've disagreed publicly with Stephen

1470
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,600
on that, but I don't put it past them. As

1471
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,560
I've told people, you know that I know that the

1472
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:55,399
National Security State is constantly running out wargame scenarios. It

1473
01:29:55,399 --> 01:29:59,159
doesn't mean they're going to do it, but that is

1474
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,680
not above them to do something like that. I just

1475
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,760
don't think that they're doing that. But I do realize

1476
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:12,239
that they're engaged in attempting to choreograph this process, and

1477
01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:14,560
they believe that they're going to be able to choreograph

1478
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,000
in a manner that they will not ever have to

1479
01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:25,039
reveal everything. That's the problem. They don't want to reveal everything,

1480
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,479
and so that we want them to reveal everything.

1481
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:33,039
Speaker 2: Here's an interesting question here, and thank you all in

1482
01:30:33,119 --> 01:30:36,920
chat for being available and asking these questions. We're going

1483
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,800
to be wrapping up soon. I'll try to get to

1484
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,439
one more after this one. So this is from Tony.

1485
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,680
Thank you, Tony. Might there be an international agreement that

1486
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,359
stops the US from revealing everything? Maybe the USA isn't

1487
01:30:49,399 --> 01:30:50,960
the be all and all.

1488
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you, the US is the be

1489
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,039
all and end all. Okay, so you'll know, you know,

1490
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:00,199
I mean, they're getting to be less and less to

1491
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:03,920
be all and end all because Trump is withdrawing from NATO,

1492
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,640
He's functionally abandoning all them. He's in cohera. He doesn't

1493
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,840
have a policy that anybody can really tell what's going

1494
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,319
on anymore. You know, he could be ruining the entire

1495
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:18,800
capability of the United States to dominate all world politics. Okay,

1496
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,680
Now that might not be the worst thing in the

1497
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,680
whole world, because, as I've said, you know that the

1498
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,760
power to dominate the entire world has been being misused

1499
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:33,239
by the United States and by the major corporations that

1500
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:35,880
are hand in glove with the national security state in

1501
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,479
the past. And this may be the cost that we're

1502
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,000
ending up having to pay because they've been so abusive,

1503
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:46,359
abusive of this that when the point comes now that

1504
01:31:47,079 --> 01:31:51,319
one person can utilize that in such an arbitrary and

1505
01:31:51,359 --> 01:31:54,279
capricious way that the rest of the world is going

1506
01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:57,760
to stop cow towing to the United States. That may

1507
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,840
be true, but I don't think that there's an internet

1508
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:06,840
if there's any international agreement, uh pertaining to the UFO issue.

1509
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,000
You can bet your bottom dollar, that the US has

1510
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:12,880
been the one that has crafted the treaty, you know,

1511
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,039
and has made everybody else abide by it, because up

1512
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:20,920
until very recently, you know, basically until you know, the

1513
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:25,359
most recent election, the United States was absolutely the be

1514
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,560
all and end all. Nobody could really do much of

1515
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,680
anything on the international level without the United States agreeing,

1516
01:32:33,039 --> 01:32:35,720
so that that any any treaty that was in place

1517
01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:40,399
prior to this particular administration would have been in fact

1518
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,680
choreographed by the US.

1519
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Here's a kind of a related question here, what happens

1520
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,479
if another country discloses first well of US.

1521
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know what would happened? You know

1522
01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:58,760
that the the the problem is is that this this

1523
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,640
could be used as a weapon, This disclosure process could

1524
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:09,479
be used as a weapon, you know, and they could

1525
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:14,039
disclose it in a way that would completely undermine, for example,

1526
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:18,600
the American dollar, which is the petroleum dollar. You know,

1527
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,000
they can say, here's a brand new form of energy.

1528
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,000
You know, we're going to make it available to the

1529
01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:27,399
whole world. Right now, the entire oil is completely antiquated.

1530
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,640
You know, it's ridiculous to think you have to be

1531
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:34,800
burning oil and ruining the entire global ecosystem, you know,

1532
01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:38,960
in the American dollar collapses, the you know, the the

1533
01:33:39,119 --> 01:33:42,760
entire economic system starts to be unstable, the United States

1534
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,760
loses its advantage in all kinds of different ways. And

1535
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,399
it could be used as a weapon, you know. And

1536
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:54,000
and the problem is that that's our job. Our job

1537
01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:56,119
is to figure out how to make this a weapon.

1538
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,680
And they haven't figured out how to do it yet,

1539
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,760
you know. So that's why they're all shifting from one

1540
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,680
foot to another, going, oh, how can we how can

1541
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,840
we manage this? And so they've tried, they're they're in

1542
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,600
the process of trying this kind of slow disclosure process

1543
01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:13,920
to see how well they can how they can get

1544
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:18,119
away with I assume, concealing some of the most sensitive

1545
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,760
secrets that they don't want to reveal, you know, the

1546
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,399
best they're the old adage is the best way to

1547
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,479
keep a secret is to pretend that you've revealed it.

1548
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a here's a question. I'd like to ask

1549
01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:33,159
this to be our final question tonight. Thank you everyone

1550
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:37,039
in chat for your questions, but I still hear that

1551
01:34:37,039 --> 01:34:40,560
there's still things going on. The question is, uh, what

1552
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:44,840
do you make of the White House's official explanation of.

1553
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 1: The New Jersey drones not just New Jersey.

1554
01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 5: There everywhere. But there's a there's a legal, technical, legal

1555
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:57,359
term they have for what this is. Uh. Total bullshit

1556
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,640
is what it is. Total bullshit. Not only that, but

1557
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,279
the fact that they would even dare do it, you know,

1558
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,439
is just fits in with so many other things they're saying,

1559
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:13,000
which is just completely lies, you know, so that it's

1560
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:16,079
total bullshit. I mean, you got thousands of these things

1561
01:35:16,079 --> 01:35:18,960
all around all over the place, and people go, oh, well, no,

1562
01:35:19,119 --> 01:35:22,000
you know, these are all FAA authorized and they're all

1563
01:35:22,039 --> 01:35:23,000
just flying around.

1564
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, after the FAA said they didn't know what

1565
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:26,279
they were.

1566
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,079
Speaker 5: That's right. Well, don't let that stop them. I mean,

1567
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,640
don't let that interfere with a good lie, you know.

1568
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,840
I Mean. The point is is that there has to

1569
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,199
be a limit, that our human family has to have

1570
01:35:41,279 --> 01:35:44,399
a limit of what we will tolerate. You know, the

1571
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,239
National Security State is asking us to praise their new

1572
01:35:48,279 --> 01:35:53,239
suit of clothes, you know, uh, and we're saying the

1573
01:35:53,239 --> 01:35:56,399
emperor has no clothes. You know. This is that you

1574
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,560
are stripped. Bear, You've been exposed to the whole world

1575
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:03,000
now to what you're doing. And if you want to

1576
01:36:03,039 --> 01:36:06,680
cooperate and back out of this, you know we'll assist

1577
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,319
you in it. You know, we'll all the citizens will

1578
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:15,640
rise up and support a step by step disassembling of

1579
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,720
the national security state infrastructures of all of the national

1580
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:25,119
security state governments around the world. Okay, and do it

1581
01:36:25,159 --> 01:36:29,800
in a multi part is a multilateral way, because it's

1582
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,960
actually to the advantage of most all the rest of

1583
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,840
the countries in the world to agree to do this,

1584
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,760
just like Russia and China agreed early on during the

1585
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:43,079
Atomic Age they would agree to forego any development of

1586
01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:45,920
any nuclear weapons at all if the United States would

1587
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,239
agree to disassemble what they'd done in the United States

1588
01:36:49,279 --> 01:36:54,039
wouldn't do it. Primarily, according to Garbachovs when we talk

1589
01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:56,840
to them about it, is because the elite in the

1590
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,319
United States know that they have to have these in

1591
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,680
order to back off China, you know, and to get

1592
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,319
at the resources in Asia. You know, they have to

1593
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:09,880
have a weapon system because they can't confront China in

1594
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,520
a traditional war, because China showed them at Incheon and

1595
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,520
then at the Reservoir that they showed them that they

1596
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,560
could put a billion men in uniform against our forces.

1597
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,760
In Korea, which is what they did, you know, And

1598
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,920
so that this elite in the United States believes they

1599
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,000
have to have nuclear weapons and so, and it's a

1600
01:37:30,039 --> 01:37:33,880
complete fantasy to think that whatever new development we make

1601
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,000
in the nuclear weapons industry isn't going to be discovered

1602
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,319
by Russia and China within a decade, you know, and

1603
01:37:40,359 --> 01:37:42,840
they're going to then have the same thing, you know,

1604
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,039
and then it's just a mutual terror of each other.

1605
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:50,199
You know. This is Look, we have got to understand

1606
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:54,319
that we as a human family are being presented here

1607
01:37:54,359 --> 01:37:59,840
with an opportunity to step into an entire new kind

1608
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:04,720
of civilization that can is chew the weapons systems, that

1609
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,399
can is chew trying to steal everybody else's resources. We

1610
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:11,359
have an opportunity to travel to the stars. We have

1611
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:17,039
an opportunity to have resources beyond our most wild imagination, okay,

1612
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,560
and we don't have to fight each other over limited

1613
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,319
resources on our planet. If we can only rise to

1614
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:27,239
the occasion. And when I say rise to the occasion,

1615
01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:30,640
I mean rise in our levels of consciousness is what

1616
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,399
we need to do. And we need to reach out

1617
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:38,359
to the et people through telepathic communication. You can talk

1618
01:38:38,399 --> 01:38:40,520
about it out loud if you want to, and at

1619
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,960
the same time you're using telepathy to try to raise

1620
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,159
the you know, we have to engage in citizen diplomacy.

1621
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,000
We have to step over the top of these government

1622
01:38:50,039 --> 01:38:56,479
officials if they will not perform their constitutional obligations, and

1623
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,239
they have to stop lying to the people, make this

1624
01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:04,239
information available to fulfill their constitutional obligations in the Congress,

1625
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,199
to reign in the national security state. You know that

1626
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,880
we've got to get the National security state to refrain

1627
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,399
from trying to establish full military dominance over the planet.

1628
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,600
We've got to stop them from trying to secure and

1629
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:20,000
maintain a privileged access on the part of our four

1630
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:23,079
point five percent of the population of the entire planet,

1631
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:25,600
you know, so that we can we can reap the

1632
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,600
benefits of some forty percent of all the non renewable

1633
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,359
resources that are developed on the planet every year. We've

1634
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,880
got we've got this step back from this, Okay, if

1635
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:42,319
we're going to merit, merit citizenship in this galactic civilization,

1636
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,520
because they're not going to let us come out there,

1637
01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:46,680
you know, not only not let us come out there

1638
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,119
carrying nuclear weapons, they're not going to let us come

1639
01:39:49,159 --> 01:39:49,880
out there at all.

1640
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: Yes, I had.

1641
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 2: I had a professor Robin Hanson on last week that

1642
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,359
kind of addressed that whole thing, like a little bit

1643
01:39:58,359 --> 01:40:01,279
of a control that he thinks set they may have

1644
01:40:01,319 --> 01:40:01,640
on us.

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Speaker 1: He was fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but

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he'd be really someone you'd be interested in listening to. Danny,

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thank you so much, and I'll see you in just a.

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Speaker 1: Couple of days. I'll be out in California, see out there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're taking off actually tomorrow morning to drive to there.

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I've got a big presentation on a Thursday at one o'clock.

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You know. I've got actually four, you know, ninety minute

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presentations to make at the contact in the desert and

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three panels. So I'm going to get everybody and get

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to share the information about the new Paradigm Institute and

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the Citizens for Disclosure, And I just want people to

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sign up. Just contact us. It's all free, you know,

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and you can get the information that you need to

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really help mobilize our people and help educate your fellow

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citizens about this extraordinarily important information.

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Speaker 1: Well, great work, Danny, thank you so.

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Speaker 5: Much, terrific. Thanks Marn I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right everyone, so remember if you'd like to

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reach out to me if you're going to be out

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of contact Martin at podcastufo dot com and next week

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we'll be interviews from there. Thanks so much everyone for

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participating tonight. Good questions in chat, and remember to keep

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your eyes to the sky.