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Speaker 2: There's clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man.

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Until we've thoroughly tested every last close testing you.

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Speaker 1: And find the more we think we know, we really do.

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Where would we be without TAC Because we know a

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line to us, just don't go to a degree. Where

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would we be without TAC? The High Stens Greg car

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Speaker 3: Company White's Camera Action People from the Sunshine State. I'm

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Greg Carlwood, And there is a real awakening when you

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realize that so many of the movies and films we

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grew up with, we're not just made for the sake

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of entertainment, but most actually contained subliminal messaging, hidden symbolism,

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and narrative content designed to influence your thoughts and feelings

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on a number of real world subjects. And it goes

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deeper still, wouldn't you know when you consider the origins

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of Hollywood itself, how it got its name, and how

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the whole industry seems to have developed out of a

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knowledge that true magic is the ability to affect the

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primordial substrate of reality and psychically drive your agenda past

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the conscious mind, embedding your manipulative messages deep into the

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subconscious and if that seems far fetched, consider that coincidentally

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engaging with most screen and media technology engineers in its

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audience the exact brain wave states one would need to

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be in for maximum effect. Well, some of my favorite

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THHC episodes in the archives center around film analysis and

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sussing out the subtle details and little magic tricks we

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missed in the many movies we've seen over the years,

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and one of the go to guys for that is

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our man, author, comedian, theologian, and pop culture critic Jay Dyer.

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writer for the Same Hide show and co creator co

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presenter of the show Hollywood Decoded with Jay Widner, as

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well as being very active on his YouTube channel. Of course,

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you can always find all things Jay Dyer on his website,

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Jay'sanalysis dot com. We have done the dance three times before,

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going all the way back to twenty fifteen, always focused

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on that thirty five millimeter magic and the wizards wielding

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the Hollywood where we covered in those interviews. His first

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two books Esoteric Hollywood one and two, but he recently

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completed the trilogy with Esoteric Hollywood three, and I look

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forward to getting into it again. The movie Magic Trick Detector,

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mass mind Control, Machine Exposer and film industry deconstructor Jay

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after six long years, welcome back, Thanks Greg.

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like a decade. I remember the first interview. We talked

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about sci fi, illuminism and predictive programming and science fiction.

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the completion of the trilogy. And I appreciate you having

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and I believe they're both autographed, and then three I

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got on Kindle and I didn't think I was ady

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d like that. But something doesn't feel right about the

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two physical and then the digital. It's all fucked up.

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But hopefully this UH is going to be a nice reunion.

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So you do spend a lot of the intro of

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this third installment talking about Dave McGowan and his book

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Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, Laurel Canyon cover Ups and

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the dark Heart of the Hippie Dream, and a big

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aspect of that is Lookout Mountain Laboratory, which was one

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of the largest film production studios of its day, run

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by the Air Force. I think Jared Leto now owns it.

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seen it from the outside in person, right.

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second one came out, as Sir call I would two

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check it out. And you can kind of see from

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memorabilia that he I guess left kind of in the

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the grotto up there, but a lot of it you

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can't really see. There's a pretty high fence. But we

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weren't trying to creep on Jared Leto or see him

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using the bathroom another We were just checking it out.

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But yeah, it's up Wonderland Avenue. It's a really there's

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a lot of lore behind that area with with you know,

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to that same strip there. But yeah, this was the

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major directors and producers and a list actors who had

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facility that actually was behind filming the Trinity Site, the

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Wonderland Studios. So Marilyn Monroe had access to it, Walt

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think it's such a powerful proof of kind of the

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overall thesis of this connection between A List actors, Hollywood

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literal spies. So yeah, I felt like around it out

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pretty good. But yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you looked

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about the Hollywood spies?

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surprised is considered a spy, but we'll get to that.

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sure anything that had actually been filmed there, But you're

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frame it as a question, but you seem pretty confident

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that they were filmed there.

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websiting in and it detailed the history of the Trinity

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site footage. So that's probably why I framed it as

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somewhat scholarly approach. I don't like to, you know, source

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open Hollywood FBI propaganda. So you know, at that time

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it as something nefarious or conspiratorial, but yeah, we can

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the National Archives have recently declassified certain actors and actresses

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who were known to be spies. So you know, over time,

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a lot of this stuff gets vindicated, and I would

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but most of the time. The conspiracy theory is, as

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them the elevator pitch. Why this third one exists or

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what it does differently than the first two.

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sixty seventy pages of Hitchcock and Spielberg. So it's kind

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of focused around directors. And I don't even remember. I

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you know, ten years ago, there was a lot of

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people analyzing Skuberg films online. It was a very popular

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thing to do, so I probably thought about that. Well

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bit of that even today. But then I think with

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never got to, shows that were really important, really packed

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with esoteric occult symbology, you know, true detective. I had

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so many people saying, over the years, when are you gonna,

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lot of Part three was not written. I would say

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about half of it is new. And also I took

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his role as a spy for Scotland Yard. I mean,

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a spy. It seems like every household name has some

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like you're going to be having a lot more doors

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historian of Houdini. I don't know a lot about his

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you know, those kinds of high profile magicians to teach

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the CIA different techniques that could be used perhaps even

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in spycraft. So that's that's actually been a long time

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connection as well. But it's not just the CIA, it

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actually goes way back, as you said to Houdini.

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Speaker 3: Well, Dave McGowan is a good guy to open the

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book the intro with, because you know, he's got this

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thing where he shows how so many people, so many

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musicians in the sixties counterculture had parents that were military

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intelligence or just in the miliu makes you want under

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what's going on there. The Jim Morrison thing, and obviously

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there's other examples, but when it becomes like seventy five

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percent of the major acts of an entire genre, you

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gotta think the whole thing is an operation. So you

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know there's a parallel here to film and movies as well.

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So I think it's a great way to open it

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if we're going to go through just generally some of

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the spy list. So maybe Udmi's in there, Jimmy Stewart's

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in there. I think today we might say Ben Affleck

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is in there. Waddy Harrelson's dad, I think, was supposed

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to be some kind of assassin for intelligence. Yeah, exactly

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who else would you put there? Maybe people who are

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actually alive and active, or just whoever you got for

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the spy list, the dual use list.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, going back to the silver screen, you know,

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the classic era of Hollywood. Josephine Baker, the dancer singer.

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She was involved in spying for the French Resistance, as

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was Katherine Hepburn's daughter, Audrey Hepburn. She spied for the

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anti Nazi resistance. You had Marlene Dietrich, who many people

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thought was a German Nazi spy, but she was actually

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trying to be a spy for the OSS, and it's

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unclear whether she ever actually was. But Carrie Grant he

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informed for the OSS on other people in Hollywood that

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might have supposedly been a Nazi sympathizers, like Errol Flynn.

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So people thought Errol Flynn might be a Nazi spy,

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and so they asked Carry Grant to inform on him.

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Sterling Hayden, the famous A lister, was an OSS spy

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and kind of a war hero. John Ford, the famous director,

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also made documentaries and won his award through the aid

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and help of the OSS. So that's the wartime predecessor

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of the CIA. So nineteen forty two to forty seven

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nineteen forty seven out of that original birdish intelligence created organization.

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And more recently, you know, you've had people like Nicholas

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Well Ben Affleck openly working with the CIA to make

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several films and he's publicly put out, or at least

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there was Foyer requests for public memos talking about his

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movies being made in concert with the CIA, particularly RGO.

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And you have other films like Zero Darc thirty being

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made openly with CIA consultation and aid. Jennifer Garner also

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again close connection there to Ben Affleck obviously, who worked

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with propaganda for the CIA. So you know, whether or

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not she had some role as an operative, I don't know.

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But Claire Danes, you know, with her show Homeland and

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with Affleck and Matt Damon, those characters, they usually kind

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of have a public, pretty public relationship with the agency.

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And then some people have a little more speculative ideas

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about people like George Clooney, who's you know, had worked

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with the CIA as well for a long time and

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film productions. But even beyond that, Clooney and Angelina and

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Joe Lee are open members of the Council formulations, so

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they actually go to CFR meetings, they participate, they're involved

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in you know, United Nations organization type stuff, so that

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they're more openly you know, affiliated and working with globalization

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at that level, perhaps even beyond just CIA type stuff.

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kind of well known thing. But you know, when we

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go back ten years ago, even when I was researching

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this stuff or when I was looking at this stuff

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in grad school, like this was just seen to be

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totally crazy tenfold hat stuff. But I saw a clip

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the other day where George Clooney was on one of

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the late night shows, maybe Jimmy Kimmel or something, and

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they were asking him about how he met his wife,

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a Mall or whatever her name is, and he was like, yeah, well,

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you know, I was there with some agencies and she

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was helping to draft the europe the Egypt's new constitution

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for the Muslim Brotherhood. I'm like, hello, like, you're only

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doing that, you know, if you're working at some kind

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of high, you know, intelligence level. But yeah, that's that's

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the reality of the world that we live in, is

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that these agencies in these supposed you know, things that

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you would think are totally disconnected, like Hollywood or even

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the NSA or the FBI. You know, it's not just

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the CIA, There's you know, FBI, there's the Masade. All

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of these different agencies have a really close connection to

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to Hollywood film production. For example, a lot of TV

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shows or movies that you think about that will say,

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portray the FBI in a really important light, like the

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X Files or something like that. Those can also be

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kind of soft forms of propaganda or you might have

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those agencies also, you know, making a deal to fund it,

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partially fund it, or loan out or allow certain things

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to happen if the script portrays them, you know, in

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a positive way.

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Speaker 3: When you think about ben Affleck and RGO and saying,

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well he worked with intelligence. Of course, you know it's

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an intelligence related movie, but people don't think about the

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extent of that and the narrative control that goes into

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it and framing everything exactly how the CIA or FBI

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wants it framed. One that I worry about, not worry about, really,

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but I wonder about is Leo DiCaprio, because I mean

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some of his movies relate to narrative control of certain

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things and biopics. And I guess recently what I think

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is so curious is I've seen not only a video

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clip of him when he was quite young being kind

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of manhandled by a director casually on camera, but then

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there's also a photo I saw pop up where he's

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in like a giant bed at a ditty party and

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he looks young. I mean, maybe Leo always looked young,

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but he looks pretty young and he's on this bed

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with these four dudes wearing White. It's like, man, maybe

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this is one of those things where you passed around

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for a while and then if you can keep your

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mouth shut, you get to be a movie star.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I think we've seen in the last

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several years more and more come out about that practice

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that it's a lot more prevalent than we thought, so

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I wouldn't be surprised. I haven't really looked into Leo

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himself in terms of his background, you know, really in

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the fourth book or the third book. This was really

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the first time that I kind of went into the

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fore ray of certain actors themselves. I mean, we talked

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about a little bit maybe in the first and second one,

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but I think, you know, I brought up Kerry Grant

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was one of the first people, for example, to do LSD.

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He was doing an LSD before any of the you

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know sixties people were, so so there's you know, some

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kind of little nuggets like that. And I maybe mentioned

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some stuff with Julia Child, you know, being the she

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was an osspy as well being a famous TV chef,

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so there's some precedents for that kind of stuff. But

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you know, this was really the only chapter I think

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in the in the trilogy where I went into specific

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people and kind of their relationships. But another example be

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Tom Cruise. You know Tom Cruise has a long time

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connection obviously to scientology. But right after nine to eleven,

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there was some interesting news stories that came out in

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mainstream media about him forming an alliance with the CIA

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to help promote America's national security and make certain films

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AKA I'm assuming it means the Mission Impossible series, right

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to sort of bolster the idea that we need this

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international mission force by agency type thing going on because

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America is under a threat from international terror. Of course

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that's run by the same elites that run our countries.

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So it's like, you know, false stylectics. We know that,

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but people in two thousand and one didn't typically know that.

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So you know, you've got a listeners coming out with

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that kind of stuff. But when it comes to Leo

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and the PDF stuff, I wouldn't be surprised, you know.

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MTV from the nineties, and even the MTV hosts like

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Daisy Flint does There's this funny interview where she's totally

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trying to get with him, and he looks like I mean,

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he might be he might be of age. I'm not sure,

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but I mean he looks like he's maybe fifteen or sixteen.

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I don't know. I mean, I'm not accusing Daisy Flints

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of anything, but like she's tried, obviously trying to get

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with him, like she's all over him. You know. I

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don't know if that was just his gravitas as a

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mac daddy or if you know, maybe that was an

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industry something understood in the industry. But I think with

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Diddy Epstein all this kind of stuff, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: To me, it's like, now Leo gets to be the

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biggest movie star. He pretty much stays out of drama.

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But everyone is like looking at this revolving door of

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young chicks that he's going through, and I think there's

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there could be a thing where it's like, hey, don't

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touch that, don't comment on it. He paid his dues.

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Now he gets to do his thing, and we're all

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going to move on. But you know, just speculating. So

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in terms of the content that you cover, one that

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was pretty obscure that I really liked was this British

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series Utopia, where a graphic novel writer reveals through codes

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in his work real world conspiracy to release a bio weapon. Obviously,

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it has a lot of parallels to COVID, and you

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cite the Dean Koon's novel The Eyes of Darkness that

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has been going around for its eerie details that seem

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like predictive programming for COVID.

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Speaker 5: But I didn't know this.

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Speaker 3: You say it was written in nineteen eighty one but

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revised eight years later to change the source of the

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viral outbreak in the book to Wuhan, China. Man, that

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is so interesting that they actively changed it. I look

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this up. It is true. It was originally the virus

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Gorky four hundred, and it was supposed to come from Gorky,

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Russia in the book, but then the name of the

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virus was changed to Wuhan four hundred, coming from a

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military lab outside the city. I find this stuff so bizarre.

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When these fictional works reflect real world events, almost always

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conspiratorial events. And I've never been super satisfied with the

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predictive programming hypothesis because if it's to prime the public

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to accept some big event without questioning it, well, I mean,

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there usually is an explanation that I mean, that's the

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common explanation that I hear is that they're priming the

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public for accepting an event. But how many people actually

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see the media, you know, the same people who are

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affected by the event itself are not necessarily the same

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people who read the Dean Kuhn's novel. So I don't

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know if there's a deeper reason, like, I mean, a

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deeper reason than priming the public for this mirroring. I mean,

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I take it to a pretty esoteric place, like maybe

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they can manifest narratives by just putting it in the

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collective imagination of a thousand or five thousand, or ten

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thousand people. But that was an interesting detail that I

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picked up from the book. But two of these things,

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both the Utopia series and the Dean Kuhn's novel, seem

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to predict COVID the Dean Kuhn's novel to a very

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specific level of detail. But what do you think is

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really behind these things that we see? Do you think

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predictive programming is the solve for it, or do you

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think it's something more esoteric?

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Speaker 4: Over time, I've gotten actually probably more skeptical than I

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used to be, because you know, in a lot of

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cases that it's probably just coincidence. I'm not talking about

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the examples that you gave, and I'm just thinking of

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other examples. There's you know, things in movies that pop

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up that you know after a while, you meet directors,

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you interview people, you talk to people, and a lot

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of stuff I think genuinely probably is just kind of happenstance.

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But there's many instances where it's not, and so you

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do have these odd questions as to you know, that's

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really strange that that would be there explicitly like that,

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or that it would be changed in that way. Now,

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in the case of Dean Kun's, one thing I would

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say is that his dad, or I should say, it

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was the Dean Kun story that became Demon Seed, the

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movie which I did it. There's a video on my channel.

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I don't think I put it in. I might have

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put it in the book I remember. But there's an

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old horror movie called Demon c which is pretty entertaining

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if you're looking for something fun to watch. But the

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story is based on in part Crollian ideas. So the

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director of that comes from a lineage of people who

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were actually pretty devoted to Croley. The guy's dad. I

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00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,359
forget the guy's name, but his dad was one of

475
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,279
Croley's biographers. So in Demon c which is the Dean

476
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:27,519
Kuhn story, they intentionally kind of placed in quite a

477
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:31,440
bit of Crollian ideology, including the idea of creating a

478
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,400
homunculus that could be a future kind of Antichrist figure,

479
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:39,160
you know, and Dean Kuntz does. We just watch, for example,

480
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
the Jack Black Dean Kuntz movie that came out a

481
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,279
few years ago, and there's quite a bit of pretty

482
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:51,359
significant open reference to things like the Keys of Solomon, sigil, magic, Kabbala.

483
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,599
All those things come up pretty explicitly in Dean Kunt's stories.

484
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,799
So I think probably there's some degree of connection to

485
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:00,480
those ideas. At least there could be more of a deep,

486
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,640
say connection, I don't know, I know with the case

487
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,359
in the case of say Tom Clancy novels, those are

488
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,920
typically written in consultation with the CIA as well, and

489
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,200
the reason that happens is that they want to put

490
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,200
out those kinds of narratives. You know, if you go

491
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,480
back to the eighties, a lot more people would would

492
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,480
read than they do nowadays. So reading fiction stories was

493
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,000
another good way to propagandae people just think of H. G.

494
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,839
Wells and AHG. Wells was very open about his fiction being,

495
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,359
you know, absolutely propaganda. He was the key propaganda stuff

496
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,039
his day prior to Edward Burnet's So we know fiction

497
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,319
has that power to do that. And I think that

498
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:40,640
some of the weird details it could be people having

499
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,200
an inside laugh, It could be people who take ritual

500
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,359
magic esutary stuff seriously. There are directors who take that

501
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,119
kind of stuff. Series of for example, Aronofsky is a

502
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,640
committed cobbylist. He's very much in the Kabbala. More recently,

503
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Egger's the guy that did The Witch and the New Dracula.

504
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,759
You know, he always tells the actors to read about

505
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,480
ritual magic before they do, before they come and do

506
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,599
the film. So so there are directors and the people

507
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,720
that do take this kind of stuff somewhat seriously at

508
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,480
that esoteric level. Another thing I would say is that

509
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
it's also a tradition in for example, British spy fiction

510
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,720
to write things that are real into the fiction stories.

511
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,359
And the reason for that, just on a practical level,

512
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,359
was that they always had the Official Secrets Act in

513
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,279
the UK, which meant that they couldn't openly talk about

514
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,720
these things, but if they wrote it into fiction, they

515
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,880
could get away with it and also make a living.

516
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,519
And I know that from studying, not just the you

517
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,799
know case of like say Joseph Conrad. He wasn't a

518
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:41,920
British intelligence operator, but when he was one of the

519
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,799
first British spy novel writers, and in The Secret Agent

520
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,440
he wrote, he wrote about things like false flags and

521
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,200
anarchist groups being used as a kind of a controlled opposition.

522
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:54,799
It's a really fascinating novel and that kind of sets

523
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,240
the stage for the rest of British fiction, like the

524
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:01,240
James Bond stories, right to put into the real events.

525
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,039
So I don't necessarily think that a lot of the

526
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:09,200
details are there for perhaps ritual magic purposes in the

527
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,559
case of say Ian Fleming. But Ian Fleming was absolutely

528
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,799
used as Cold War propaganda. So that's one element to

529
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,599
where you would put these real stories into fiction to propagandize.

530
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,799
But a lot of the details, it's a great question, Greg.

531
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,079
I don't I don't even know exactly what the purpose

532
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,440
of all the details, but I mean that was pretty crazy.

533
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,720
The Wuhan one is pretty crazy, and I admit, yeah,

534
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:36,160
Utopia Utopia, like Argo, is fascinating because it's one of

535
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880
the few films like I think Under the Silver Lake

536
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,759
is another one. I know it's a series, but that

537
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,599
actually references the idea of predictive programming. Now Argo isn't

538
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,720
explicitly about that, but Argo has been Affleck working with

539
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,440
the CIA to make a movie about when the CIA

540
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
made a fake movie as a COVID operation. So it's

541
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,759
during meta, it's going, you know, multiple levels up. But

542
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,519
with Utopia you have reference to, at least the British

543
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:08,319
version of it, the predictive programming within comic books, which

544
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,000
is telling a story about how the elite are really

545
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,680
going to depopulate through releasing this thing and then having

546
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,640
a vaccine that sterilizes people. So that was pretty wild

547
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,480
to see that, you know, in it's almost like, are

548
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,440
the British writers of this show, are they like reading

549
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680
some you know, conspiracy literature, Dave McGowan or something maybe?

550
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,960
And then did you ever see Under the Silver Lake

551
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,880
with Andrew Garfield?

552
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: No, but someone else did just reference that on the

553
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400
show not long ago, Donut. When we did our interview,

554
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:39,519
he brought that up and then I said I hadn't

555
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:41,440
seen it. And then a bunch of people commented, Oh,

556
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,160
you got to check it out, you got to see it.

557
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: Apparently it's good.

558
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,359
Speaker 4: It's kind of it's kind of become a conspiracy classic

559
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,799
now because people have you know, we watched it when

560
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:50,920
it came out, Tristan Haggard and I and we did

561
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,000
a decoding of it, and my buddy Jim Bob and

562
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,960
I were going to re decode that. We're going to

563
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,799
revisit it next week and decoded again because it's one

564
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,839
of the films that you have to watch many, many times.

565
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,200
But speaking of Dave McGowan, there's a specific character in

566
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,599
the film that is kind of a a Dave McGowan

567
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,599
ish Laurel Canyon person who actually writes all the music.

568
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,519
So the main characters on this kind of quest and

569
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,759
he eventually meets this old guy who is responsible for

570
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,440
all the pop music, so he writes it all. It's

571
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,960
not any any of your favorite bands. It's all fake.

572
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,039
I mean, in the film, it's a little bit tongue

573
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,079
in cheek. It's kind of satirical. It's a little bit

574
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,200
funny too, but as I mean, it's got you know, elites, billionaires,

575
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,920
underground bunkers, cults, it's got it all, and it's it's

576
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,559
about predictive programming. So so yeah, there's a few few

577
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,599
films that reference it that are that are kind of

578
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,480
self aware in that way. But I think you're right

579
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,880
to point to some. Really it's really hard to explain

580
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,640
away examples if you were a skeptic like the Dean

581
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Koontzwen or uh, you know Utopia.

582
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think you're a big Terrence McKenna.

583
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:02,440
But something he said that was interesting to me is

584
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,039
that if he had to boil down everything to one thing,

585
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,480
he would say, the universe runs on narrative. And so

586
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,359
to me, I'm like, why would you? That's a that's

587
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,240
an unexpected thing to say. And then I think to

588
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,480
you know, the stars acting out the gods and Greek arenas,

589
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,400
and like, what's really going on there? Are they channeling?

590
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Did they think they were channeling? Did that become acting?

591
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:31,119
It's strange because yeah, COVID nine to eleven, the Titanic,

592
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,599
all these things were predicted in media.

593
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 5: First.

594
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,119
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the whole Trump Lower thing with

595
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,519
Ingersoll Lockwood that's been talked to death, but you know,

596
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,960
it just doesn't It is conspiratorial events that I think

597
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,680
is why it's so interesting, because you don't have mundane

598
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,440
storylines within film just manifesting out there. You know, dinosaurs

599
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000
didn't pop on the scene because Jurassic Park came out.

600
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,799
You know, It's like it doesn't happen all the time.

601
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:02,960
It's only in these highly suspect stories, events where they

602
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,680
want to control the narrative.

603
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: And then the narrative is in fiction. First.

604
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,279
Speaker 3: The most recent example is Charlie kirk I mean, you've

605
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,440
seen the snake eyes thing. I'm sure it's crazy that

606
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:18,119
the details go down to the name, the date, assassinated

607
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,400
in public, shot in the neck, A guy named Tyler

608
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:25,079
is the distraction, and then Tyler is the patsy for

609
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,680
the shooting. I mean, it's down to the name Charles

610
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:29,440
Kirkland shot in the neck.

611
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 5: What is that?

612
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,359
Speaker 3: It is crazy? Is that coincidence? I have a hard

613
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,799
time with that one being coincidence, especially when not fresh.

614
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,119
Speaker 5: In my mind.

615
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,079
Speaker 3: But the director and the writer. I think the writer

616
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
I had done an interview on this right when it happened,

617
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,839
and the guy was interviewing and was like, oh, that

618
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,440
guy wrote it. That guy's birthday is nine to eleven.

619
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,920
It's just it never ends. But I'm sure you've looked

620
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,279
at the snake eyes thing a little bit, but yeah.

621
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,599
Speaker 4: It's you know, I'm familiar with thesis. I didn't. I

622
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,960
already had three written and done pretty much before any

623
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,920
of that happened, so it was kind of too late

624
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,400
to you know, do anything. But what I can say

625
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,279
about that is that that's a Brian De Palmer film,

626
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,640
of course. And yeah, Brian de Palmer has quite a

627
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,079
bit of a of a pedigree of films that are

628
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,400
pretty explicit in what they deal with in terms of

629
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,039
mind control, conspiracy, deep state type stuff. You can go

630
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,960
back to Dressed to Kill, which was one of his

631
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,400
earlier famous hits with Michael Caine, and you kind of

632
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,319
have this idea of dissociation and trans stuff in kind

633
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:46,759
of a predictive way, way before any of that was

634
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,319
well known. That's like nineteen eighty, right, you have. He

635
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,039
did Carlito's Way, which I don't think it's like great

636
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,440
of a movie, but it shows that he's pretty obviously

637
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,519
familiar with like how the relationship between the police so

638
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,680
they have to and the mafia works, which ties into

639
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,279
the organized or into the secret society, sp and I's

640
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,719
world and occult stuff too, because there is an overlap

641
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,119
between organized crime and the occult. He did The Untouchables,

642
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:14,920
which I don't think is very good, but again I

643
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:21,079
think he's very familiar with organized crime carry that kind

644
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,440
of stuff. But there's a more specifically, he did Body Double,

645
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:29,840
which is about that's more of an occult esoteric film

646
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,000
dealing with how can I put this hardcore p R

647
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:39,920
O in stuff and what that does to individuals and

648
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,239
how they eventually kind of dissociate so the guy in

649
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,159
that dissociates from it. He did the original Mission Impossible,

650
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,280
which of course we said with Tom Cruise, and you

651
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,719
know that has a CIA type connection. He did another

652
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,360
film that I did include. The only reason I'm going

653
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,480
with this Brian de Palmer's Tough, is that I did

654
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:57,559
do a section of Brian to Palmer films in the

655
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,559
third book. So for example, The Fury, which is about

656
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:05,320
kind of a CIA Mond Talk type project, Stranger Things

657
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,639
type project where kids are recruited who have these potentialities

658
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,079
or psychic abilities and they're putting into this kind of secret,

659
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:18,159
you know, CIA type program. They're groomed for being government operatives.

660
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,880
Et cetera. Then there's some really weird stuff in that movie.

661
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,679
It was kind of his version of the Exorcist. So

662
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,559
he but he did carry too, which is another kind

663
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,679
of his attempt at the Exorcist. And then lastly, he

664
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,840
did a movie with John Lithgow that was pretty famous

665
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,960
back in the day called Raising Cain. And the amazing

666
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,599
thing about that one is that in the story, John

667
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,239
Lithgow plays a person with multiple personalities, and it's eventually

668
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,360
said that his dad worked for this secret government agency

669
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:52,199
and was intentionally splitting through trauma based mind control, the

670
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,480
son's you know, mind into having these controlled altars. So

671
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,199
that's a pretty good pedigree, I would say for to

672
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,280
Palma having a connection to a lot of these are

673
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,719
knowing quite a bit about these kinds of things.

674
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,199
Speaker 3: And I did look him up just to confirm, but yes,

675
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,719
it's him. I was talking about his birthday September eleventh,

676
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,960
nineteen forty. You know what else is interesting here.

677
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 4: He did Black Dahlia too. I forgot the Black Dahlia

678
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:23,400
is the first ritual murder, and then I put that

679
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,400
in the first book, but I forgot he did that

680
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:25,760
as well.

681
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,159
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you've ever heard the names

682
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,480
of his kids, but Piper to Palma, which is interesting

683
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,599
because Pied Piper mind control. That is like an old

684
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,599
fairy tale basically about mind control and children. And then

685
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:42,000
his other his other daughter's name is Lolita.

686
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 4: Oh weird.

687
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 5: Isn't that gross? You would name your daughter Loita child? Wow? Freak.

688
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: So another recent one you covered in the book, one

689
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,440
that I did not watch is the Netflix movie Leave

690
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,679
the World Behind. I just heard so much about it

691
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,440
and had so much spoiled that I was like, I

692
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:04,079
basically saw it. But let me read from your book

693
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,840
where you say In the twenty twenty four Barack Obama

694
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,639
produced Netflix film Leave the World Behind, it takes place

695
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,360
in the same universe as Mister Robot, same director, where

696
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,800
the hackers who end up discovering various geopolitical plots collide

697
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,519
with a separate group of two families who must manage

698
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000
to survive as a large scale hacking event takes down

699
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,440
the US Internet. Stranded in a large airbnb, these two

700
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,280
families battle racial tensions and yet unknown forms of warfare

701
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,599
that include sound and elf weapons, biowarfare that releases a

702
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,320
kind of chronic wasting disease as the deer infected, and

703
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,280
a battle over scarce medical resources. As society breaks down,

704
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,400
we see a giant oil tanker come to rest on

705
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,840
a beach, seemingly without a captain, Tesla's shutting down and

706
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,079
running haywire, and a large scale nuclear device detonated in

707
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,559
a very ominous and ambiguous scene. The airbnb owner claims

708
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,400
to work with high level defense contractors and that they

709
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,400
had some knowledge of this coming event. Really interesting. Obviously,

710
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,119
it's provocative that Obama would be a producer of this

711
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,920
kind of film. Interesting, you think we're going to see

712
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,920
this one manifest two?

713
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny said that. I remember watching that and

714
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440
I was kind of it's not that good. So you

715
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,320
didn't really miss a whole lot, I mean. And really

716
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,440
the two films came out relatively close to each other.

717
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:29,239
They have a very similar theme. There was Civil War

718
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,559
by Alex Garland, yes, and then this Obama produced propaganda

719
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,119
film which basically has anybody who wants to have private

720
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,840
property and kind of, you know, self defense. There's a

721
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,159
Kevin Bacon character in the film who's like this prepper guy. Well,

722
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,639
of course he's the villain, right because he he doesn't

723
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,440
have a socialist attitude of giving everybody you know who

724
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,599
survived whatever they want. He has guns. Oh my gosh,

725
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,360
how Darry so Yeah, so self defense and all that

726
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,360
kind of stuff is demonized in the film, and that's

727
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,079
not surprising again if this isn't an Obama based film,

728
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:02,440
but just think about that. Right there, we have a

729
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,880
former president involved in the production of this propaganda movie

730
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,559
about the collapse the United States, and there's this we

731
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,159
don't know, you know, who's behind the collapse. It's this unknown,

732
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,920
amorphous enemy. And the other thing that really stands out

733
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,000
in the film that I think was fascinating was that

734
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,039
there's a dialogue between some of the characters when all

735
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:23,679
the attack, all this madness is going down, and one

736
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,519
of the guys, I think it's the black guy. He

737
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,239
at some level worked with defense contractors and with the government,

738
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,239
and they're asking him, they're like, do you know, like

739
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,760
who would have done this? Like is there a conspiracy

740
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,480
against America to do this? And his line is hilarious

741
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,920
because he says, listen, I've been in all the big

742
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,159
elite government meetings. Nobody's running anything, nobody's in charge. We

743
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,400
have this illusion that there's a elite or that the

744
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,079
government runs things. Nobody runs anything, it's all just chaos. Yeah,

745
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,199
so I thought that was like just the most ridiculous

746
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:59,440
propaganda is and nobody's running anything. There are no even

747
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,840
though right now how Davos is happening. All the world

748
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,920
elites are meeting at Davos right now, that doesn't exist.

749
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,000
There's nobody who's wealthy and powerful. Everything's just kind of

750
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,920
going haywire and we don't know. So it was kind

751
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,840
of absurd propaganda at many, many levels. But you did

752
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,840
have some weird things in there, like very anti Tesla.

753
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,920
I mean, I'm not like a huge Tesla person, but

754
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,599
I'm just saying like they were intentionally putting in stuff

755
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:28,199
the target to Elon Musk. Again find to criticize Elon

756
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,199
Musk whatever. But it was a very political film, That's

757
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,360
what I'm trying to say. Sure, well, maybe equally as

758
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,440
propagandist and negative was Civil War. And Alex Garland has

759
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,199
a history of making some actually some decent films, but

760
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,800
also some very very heavily propagandized film You know, if

761
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,559
you watch Civil War, it was the same type of

762
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:53,559
situation where America's collapsing from the sort of within and

763
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,159
it's because of this you know, presidential figure played by

764
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,119
Nick Offerman, who's kind of trumpish, and then you have

765
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:03,000
this idea that, well, we got to take him out

766
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,159
because he's going to ruin the country. We're going to

767
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,159
have to start a new country, a more woke, more

768
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,559
you know, socialist, qualitarian country, because if we let people

769
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,800
like you know, white men or whatever run things, it's

770
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,880
going to destroy the country. So Civil War was big

771
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,039
time propaganda as well. And it makes sense though when

772
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,079
you think about, Okay, he made twenty eight days later,

773
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,119
he made Ex Machina, he made Annihilation, and in Annihilation

774
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,760
with Nellie Portman, you basically have references to these sort

775
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,559
of Luciferian replacements that come and kind of take us

776
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,559
over and we get cloned, and this Luciferian aon is

777
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,239
kind of what pokes in from another dimension into our dimension.

778
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:47,639
That's how I read the book or the movie at least.

779
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,079
Then he did twenty eight years Later, which I covered,

780
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:53,880
which was totally Luciferian, one hundred percent Luciferian film, and

781
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,760
Needed Men, which was a very feminist anti man horror film.

782
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: So Ex Machina to Ex Machina the machines are sexy.

783
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: It was great. I thought that was his really good film,

784
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:11,199
A very good critique of AI of the Silicon Valley elites.

785
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,280
You know that there's a sort of a Zuckerberg kind

786
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,159
of character in there that's the villain. So so it's

787
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,000
not it's not all bad. I thought, you know, X

788
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:20,079
Mocking was good and I think, I mean, the films

789
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:21,840
are pretty good. Twenty eight Days Later is good, but

790
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,119
a lot of propaganda.

791
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: Yes, And I wanted to bring this up about Leave

792
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,960
the World Behind because I saw this post right as

793
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:30,920
I was getting ready for this, and I'm just going

794
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,800
to share the screen because we can right there in

795
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,960
the opening poster for the movie, these are the actors

796
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,559
in the film, and their names are laid out to

797
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:46,840
spell ball Bail. You know, that's kind of interesting. And

798
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,320
then during the opening scene of the movie, a mug,

799
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,280
it's the opening scene for people listening, is on someone

800
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,760
in bed and they have night stands on either side,

801
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,519
and there's a mug on one night stand and two

802
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,480
clock and the mug has a giant six on it

803
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,199
and each clock is showing a six as well. The

804
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,320
one on the right is hidden. You can only see

805
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,800
the digital six the first number. The rest of the

806
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,360
alarm clock is hidden, so it's like very specifically six

807
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:20,719
six' six that is not an. Accident that's very. Interesting

808
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,400
so you got bail six sixty. Six and then this

809
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,360
one was everywhere where the two kids are wearing the,

810
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Shirt obey And. Nasa it's just kind of. Goofy and

811
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,039
then this one is also. Interesting but this must be

812
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,960
seen in the movie where they're looking at some monitoring.

813
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:43,440
Equipment when you flip the scene upside, down what's written

814
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,320
on the screen is die six sixty. Six SO i

815
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,599
just these things are not exactly the same as writing

816
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,639
narratives that come. True but why do you think this

817
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,559
stuff is put in? Movies what does it do to

818
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:00,679
just say a six six?

819
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 4: Six, well in these, examples and these could be example,

820
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,320
LEGITIMATE i don't know about the bail, one but the

821
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,360
other one seemed pretty. Interesting the mind does process those

822
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,079
types of things in a kind of an. Instant that's been,

823
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,239
studied and we do know that the mind is able

824
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,280
to process that, stuff even if it's not immediately in

825
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:23,440
the conscious, mind, Right so it kind of goes into

826
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,519
our storage or disdrive of our subconscious and so that

827
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,760
stuff can be stored, there even if we don't immediately

828
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,679
see it that. Way and the, director as we said

829
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,599
Of Mister, robot WHICH i, REMEMBER i watched that very

830
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,559
intently and paid a lot of attention to, that and

831
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:40,599
that is full of this kind of. Stuff so it's

832
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,400
not it's not out of the realm of, possibility given

833
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,280
the fact that the director Mister robot did put a

834
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,960
lot of that stuff in the series, intentionally and in

835
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,000
that's in that, story you Have Robbie malick playing this

836
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,440
sort of hacker guy who is. Dissociating he's on these

837
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,960
different drugs and he's part of the sort of international

838
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,119
plot where they're going to a bunch of hackers and

839
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,519
other people are trying to take down THE us and

840
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,320
there's these These chinese hackers and there's elements of. IT

841
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,079
i don't remember all the details to, it but the

842
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:11,880
point of being is that there is a lot of

843
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,159
attention to those types of details and weird symbology going

844
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:18,400
on In Mister. Robots SO i wouldn't be surprised that

845
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,280
that was put in there intentionally in this.

846
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 5: Film very very.

847
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: Crazy and some of these, directors they get their start

848
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,159
in advertising and advertising there was an old documentary about

849
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,800
subliminal messages and, advertising which was the first time THAT

850
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,360
i was woken up to those, messages like putting sex

851
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:43,239
in the ice cubes of A Coca. Cola that stuff's

852
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,239
always been. There so if they come from advertising and

853
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,360
get into, film, yeah you're already used to putting the

854
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,719
devil in the, details as they.

855
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,039
Speaker 4: Say that's an even more obvious. EXAMPLE i appreciate you

856
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,159
THINKING i didn't even think about, subliminals and in, FACT

857
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:58,400
i don't even THINK i mentioned subliminals in all three

858
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,880
of my, books which that mean and that is. There

859
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920
it doesn't. Matter that's a form of a, semiotic you,

860
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,719
know meaning conveyance where it could be good or it

861
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320
could be. Nefarious so you're absolutely. RIGHT i mean there was,

862
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,239
EXPERIMENTATION i think with subliminal type, stuff for example In The,

863
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,840
exorcist where they did in certain one of the, frames you,

864
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,920
know this sort of demonic image to see if it

865
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,199
was sort of helped HiPE up the fear when they

866
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,360
played the. Film and then the writer of that, script

867
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,920
The bladdy, figure was involved in psychological warfare for THE,

868
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,320
cia so it's actually this extis is actually A cia

869
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,599
script AND i included an essay in my book that

870
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,639
somebody had written about. That so, YEAH i mean you're

871
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,639
absolutely correct to point that. Out AND i don't think

872
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:44,239
THAT'S i, mean we can go you go full skitzo

873
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,639
with that kind of. Stuff, yeah every little thing in

874
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,159
the movie, is but it's not like. That but when

875
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,239
you have these kinds of six six sixes and that

876
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,639
kind of, STUFF i MEAN i think a lot of

877
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,800
that stuff is definitely intentional and probably speaking to our.

878
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: Subconscious, yeah guys Like Alex fulton will go in and

879
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,119
and find the exact frames of films and be, like

880
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,960
this is frame six sixty, six and, oh look a

881
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,159
devil on. Screen he goes deep On, kubrick And kubrick

882
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,320
is the kind of guy who would have paid attention

883
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,679
to that meticulous. DETAIL i would assume if anyone, did

884
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,440
is probably, him as opposed to Like Michael bay or.

885
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 5: Someone but another.

886
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: Film you cover THAT i remember, liking BUT i THINK

887
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,360
i always get it confused With edge Of tomorrow is

888
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,199
oblivion With Tom, Cruise and you do mention a detail

889
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,039
there that was intentionally, seated a purposeful placement of a

890
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:38,360
biography of Wild Bill donovan on the shelf At Jack's country.

891
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,840
Hideout the placement is not, accidental As donovan is the master,

892
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,960
spy founder of THE, oss the predecessor of THE. Cia

893
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,760
one immediately begins to connect this to THE cia Slash

894
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,159
Air force drone, program which is projected to be run

895
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,440
BY ai computers in the near future and is actually Termed.

896
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:59,960
Skynet funny they would call it. That but, yes here's

897
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,079
another movie where a guy who's kind of on the

898
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:07,199
inside apparently has a biography of Wild Bill donovan on his.

899
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,760
Shelf that's a detail they obviously put there on. Purpose, Yeah, actually.

900
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: The books in films and shows are usually pretty intentional now,

901
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,519
sometimes AND i always pay attention to the books that are.

902
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,679
There for, Example jamie AND i just did an analysis

903
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,079
Of National, treasure and we notice that When Nick cage

904
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:30,519
goes into the shop to buy the fake copy of

905
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,400
The declaration Of, independence if you remember when he's trying

906
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,880
to steal, it, Right, yeah there's a book that's right

907
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,840
by the counter that's very clearly visible in the. Shot

908
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,679
and it's the book ironically That jamie had just read

909
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,920
about The National monument and all the architecture OF dc being. Esoteric,

910
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,440
right it's not a conspiracy. Book it's like a mainline

911
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,880
scholarly architecture book and the history OF dc and that

912
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,800
it's you, know laid out in A masonic sort of rosicrucion,

913
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,079
way so that's actually, mainstream you know history conspiracy. Stuff

914
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,679
but the book is there in the movie AND i was,

915
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,599
like did you notice, That, jamie That Nick cage is

916
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:09,159
right there like about to Buy he doesn't buy, it

917
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,880
but he kind of looks at. It. Right it's like she's,

918
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,559
like that's not my, book And i'm, like, yes it.

919
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:15,159
Is so he had to freeze it AND i was, like,

920
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,840
yeah let's. See she's, like oh my, GOSH i can't

921
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,280
believe that is the BOOK i just. Read so you,

922
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,000
know that's obviously in the. SHOT i think on, purpose

923
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,639
because the whole theme of the of the movie is

924
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,559
the secret architecture OF dc and going to these different

925
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:35,159
places and decoding, it, Right so, YEAH i. Can In Rosemary's,

926
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:39,719
baby there's a very specific placement OF i think it's

927
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,920
A Sammy Davis junior, biography which is interesting Because Sammy

928
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,360
Davis junior, was you, know remember The church Of. Satan

929
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,440
the film is about A satanic, cult and then you

930
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,519
see in one of the shots very clearly, right you,

931
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:53,880
know in the. Shining it's Very it's very, subtle but

932
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,559
if you seem. In most people didn't notice, this But

933
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,280
wendy at the very beginning is reading all these books on,

934
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,920
witchcraft and you don't see that unless you pause the

935
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,159
frame and zoom. In right when when they're at the,

936
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,280
apartment when she's you, know taking care Of danny when

937
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,079
he's having the, dreams it shows the books that she's

938
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:16,239
reading and it's all occult witchcraft. Stuff, AGAIN i think that's.

939
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: Intentional So Rosemary's, BABY i definitely have some questions for

940
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,239
you on BECAUSE i latched on to that section of

941
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,840
the book and every little detail because The Sharon Tate

942
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,960
Rosemary's baby thing is just so. Weird another example that

943
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,519
maybe reality. Manifested but before we get, THERE i just

944
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:37,440
wanted to ask you about this detail On oblivion where

945
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,800
THE ai space station in the film is Called tet

946
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,239
and you write about that as being. Significant tell people

947
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,119
why it would be significant for THE ai space station

948
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:48,760
to be CALLED.

949
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: Tet, yeah there's two films that have this similar, Theme,

950
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,840
equilibrium WHICH i DON'T i don't put that. IN i

951
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,599
might have mentioned in, passing BUT i didn't put it

952
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,440
in the, book AND i always get to, ask how

953
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,360
come you haven't Done. Equilibrium that's a deep. Cut that's

954
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,199
a deep. CUT i love The.

955
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 5: Equilibrium, YEAH i don't think it's a terrible.

956
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 4: Movie my only problem With equilibrium is just simply that

957
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,239
it's basically every dystopian story in. One so they just

958
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,440
kind of copy and paste from you, Know Brave New

959
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,079
world in nineteen eighty four and The, matrix and they

960
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:18,719
put it all to.

961
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: ONE i used to call it a poor man's, matrix

962
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,159
a low. Matrix it's not a terrible.

963
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 4: Movie it's just kind of, like you, know other. Thing it's,

964
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,880
DERIVATIVE i guess you. Say but one thing About equilibrium

965
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,599
that relates to what you're asking about the tet is

966
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,639
that In equilibrium they explicitly refer to the control structure

967
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,599
and the symbol as the, tetragrammaton and so it's the

968
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:47,039
same thing going, ON i think In, oblivion where it's tet.

969
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:51,320
Tetragrammaton that's the first part of, it. Right it's Referencing exodus,

970
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,199
three Where god SAYS i am THAT i, am which

971
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,360
is a reference to the Name yahweh or the you

972
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,480
know air ash of, air which is the tetragrammaton the

973
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,440
name Of. God so this is really important because we

974
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,039
later AFTER i did a lot of those, analyses we

975
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,079
went through a bunch Of Tom cruise films And jamie

976
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,559
AND i did a Whole Tom cruise podcast where we

977
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,960
went through early stuff all the way up to you,

978
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,880
know all The Mission impossible, stuff The, mummy you, know

979
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,920
all these different, Films and What i've noticed is that

980
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,400
there is an absolutely consistent pattern of The gnostics storyline

981
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:33,880
Within Tom cruise. Films and it makes perfect sense because you,

982
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,079
Know Tom cruise is a very committed scientologist, obviously and

983
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:43,039
L Ron hubbard when he was crafting the scientology story

984
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,840
it was because he had gone through the ranks of THE,

985
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,480
oto so he, knew you, know the whole mythology of THE.

986
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:52,760
Oto many many years, AGO i printed out AN oto

987
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,719
reading list which they make all their members. READ i

988
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,440
haven't read every book on, it but it's a lot

989
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,840
of comparative, religion it's a lot Of gnostic. Texts so

990
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,960
basically my thesis is THAT i Think Tom, CRUISE i

991
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,039
don't know how serious he is about esoteric or cult,

992
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,280
stuff but he's definitely in films that have a pretty,

993
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,719
consistent you, know gnostic storyline and, pattern where It's tom

994
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,559
is the rebel angel or the one who's rebelling against

995
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:25,119
the ARCon Controller Creator, deity the bumbling Evil Creator, deity

996
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,599
And tom always plays the sort Of promethean figure who's

997
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:29,920
going to set us. Free that's exactly what happens In

998
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,800
edge Of, tomorrow and it's exactly what happens In. Oblivion

999
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,039
he's fighting against and freeing us from this you, know

1000
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,079
evil Creator.

1001
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,599
Speaker 3: God, yes AND i didn't go back and, listen BUT

1002
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:44,320
i do recall that our last one kind of devolved

1003
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,639
into like is gnosticism that? Bad Because i'm not. CONVINCED

1004
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,880
i know you. Are AND i was thinking more about

1005
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,199
that because it comes up in this book, too AND

1006
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,840
i wonder if, well sometimes it seems like the books

1007
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,840
you classify as, gnostic they seem to me like they,

1008
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,039
are but they're also just Like Joseph Campbell's Hero's, journey

1009
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,960
where a person in a mundane situation has a call

1010
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:14,559
to action into going on an adventure into the underworld

1011
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,760
led by some wise figure like A gandolf or A

1012
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,320
dumbledore or an Obi, wan and they do battle with

1013
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,480
The dragon and The. Abyss they emerge changed and kind

1014
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000
of returned to their mundane, condition but a new version of.

1015
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:32,239
Themself and Obviously Joseph campbell's stuff has been talked about.

1016
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,679
FOREVER i MEAN i was probably in high school WHEN

1017
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,079
i learned about this and how this template really is

1018
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,239
almost all. Movies Sometimes i'm, like you, know When jay's

1019
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,960
talking about this being the seeding of gnosticism in this

1020
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:48,000
film or, that it seems to me like maybe there's

1021
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:50,119
an argument that it's just the hero's, Journey but is

1022
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,039
the hero's journey itself? Gnostic is there something fishy About

1023
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:53,800
Joseph campbell?

1024
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 4: Himself, YEAH i mean it's a, nuanced difficult question because you,

1025
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,360
know it really depends on what the journey, is who he's,

1026
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,880
fighting and what's. Happening so there are these archetypal patterns

1027
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,480
and stories for. Sure more recently on my, channel we

1028
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:11,280
did some deep dives Into Carl, young you, know, archetypes

1029
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,679
the collective, UNCONSCIOUS i mean some of his actual, books

1030
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,800
not other people's, assessments but reading into the. Text and

1031
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,000
last YEAR i got pretty deep into a couple Of

1032
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:22,719
Carl young books to see exactly what he, thought what he.

1033
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,280
Taught and the Reason i'm Bringing Carl young up is

1034
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,039
That Joseph campbell's really just pulling from Kral. Young it's

1035
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,559
kind of watered down Kral. YOUNG i have another. BOOK

1036
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,199
i have Two kimpbell. Books one of, them, though is

1037
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,960
he's very much a, freemason. RIGHT i forget what degree

1038
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,440
he got, to but in the big there's a big

1039
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,119
coffee table book WHICH i read many years, ago which

1040
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:48,800
is A Joseph campbell symbology, book and there's multiple chapters

1041
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,440
where he talks openly about. Freemasonry so my assessment is

1042
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,440
that he seems to be a. Freemason so with that

1043
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,360
in mind and then thinking about how it's very derivative

1044
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,840
from Kral, YOUNG i, thought, well need to go read Crawl.

1045
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,599
Young what we find In Caral young is that he's also,

1046
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,039
very very explicit that most of what he's talking about

1047
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:12,280
is just regurgitated gnosticism And. Platonism so you're correct that

1048
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,400
these patterns are. There they're definitely whether It's, virgil Z

1049
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,559
A ned or you know, whatever The, odyssey et, cetera

1050
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,320
there are these. Patterns but, again it really matters as

1051
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,159
to what your worldview is in terms of what you're

1052
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,880
fighting and who you're fighting. Against and in The gnostic

1053
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,679
storyline usually it's something like you are your own, Savior

1054
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,760
you're your own salvation through empowering yourself through knowledge or

1055
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,559
technology or something like, that and that nosis that secret

1056
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,719
knowledge is what saves. You and a lot of the secret,

1057
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,480
SOCIETIES i think eight people with this kind of an

1058
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,719
idea of secret, knowledge special. Knowledge oh you're going to

1059
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,559
know the secret name Of. God you're going to have

1060
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:56,199
this you, know superpower that you alone. Know and it

1061
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,800
really just, PLAYS i, think on a lot of human

1062
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,519
vanity and, pride and a lot of times what ends

1063
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,920
up happening is that just to make it a little

1064
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,960
more down to earth and, practical is like whether it's you,

1065
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,480
Know Alster curley himself or whether It's Gerald gardner And

1066
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,599
wicket which comes out Of, crollianism it's just really people

1067
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,039
wanted to touch, butts like you know WHAT i, Mean

1068
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,519
Like i'm not actually going to get any magical, powers

1069
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,280
but The guru or the, majis you, know he's going

1070
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,320
to get to go in my butt and have a

1071
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,440
good time and and Somehow i'm going to get magic

1072
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,960
out of. This SO i, mean at one, level it's

1073
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,719
just people want to get. Laid but at another, level

1074
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,440
there could be something demonic going on with some of these.

1075
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,480
Activities AND i understand not every gnostic is into you,

1076
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:40,880
know you, know weird sex or. Whatever i'm not trying

1077
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,519
to say, that but, AGAIN i just think it really

1078
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,440
depends on what the journey is and what you're what

1079
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,320
what the quest, is BECAUSE i, mean you could, say,

1080
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,679
Oh Alisa croley was on a hero's journey and you

1081
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,960
know he, was you, know graping and pillaging and doing

1082
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,760
what he was doing on his hero's. Quest you see

1083
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,519
What i'm. Saying so you could say that as a hero's,

1084
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,840
Quest but, like, okay but what's who's the hero and

1085
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,280
what are you fighting? Against and if you're fighting against

1086
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,880
the one that happens to be like the True, god

1087
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,840
well then it's no longer a good, story.

1088
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:15,079
Speaker 3: Fair, Enough And i'm just, curious are there, examples as

1089
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,639
we're coming to to the end of the, line, here

1090
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:21,800
are there examples of well executed recent. Films we can

1091
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,039
even go back like a couple of, decades but recent

1092
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:28,400
films that are well executed that actually contain messages that

1093
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,679
you would, endorse not made by Mel.

1094
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: GIBSON i figured you were going to throw that caveat in,

1095
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,760
there AS i donna. SAY i, MEAN i GUESS i

1096
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,960
like some of The Mel gibson. Movies but, yeah let's.

1097
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,039
SEE i, think you, know even even films THAT i

1098
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:50,719
might disagree with or not necessarily be. HUGE i, mean

1099
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,760
there's always some element probably THAT i could. Appreciate let's,

1100
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,000
see we did we did a podcast recently where WE

1101
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:59,880
i mean we Covered National, treasure AND i thought that was. Fun.

1102
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,480
YEAH i, mean so there's a lot of films that

1103
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,840
are that are you, know enjoyable for other. Reasons we

1104
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,880
did a podcast On Gone girl And. EDEN i don't

1105
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,320
know if you saw the Movie. EDEN i thought that

1106
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,280
was actually pretty. Good. Yeah it has A Jude Law Sydney.

1107
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,960
Sweeney it's kind of an allegory for civilization and the

1108
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,840
problems that you encounter in civilization and you, know can

1109
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,920
you escape? It can you set up a you, know

1110
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,400
a utopian, community this kind of a, thing and, so you,

1111
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,039
know if you Like lord of The flies or that

1112
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:34,719
kind of a. Story eden was was a GOOD i,

1113
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,719
MEAN i would say it's Fully, christian but it had

1114
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,599
it had a good. Message i've actually gone back and

1115
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,920
Rewatched Harry potter And i've kind of revised my initially

1116
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,960
thought it was just, Stupid but there's actually a lot

1117
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,079
more going on In Harry potter THAN i originally, thought

1118
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,960
and it actually has a better message than THAN i.

1119
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,360
Remember so maybe maybe.

1120
00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 3: That see that just seems like hero's journeys to, Me

1121
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:03,320
like what would take what would Make Harry? Potter what

1122
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,559
separates it from the hero's journey, template because it's got

1123
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:09,599
all the the check marks in my.

1124
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,039
Speaker 4: Mid, well LIKE i, said, LIKE i mean, Again i'm

1125
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,280
not against the hero's. Journey it's just a question of

1126
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,559
like who is hero and what's he? Doing and how

1127
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:19,559
does he you, know what what is the quest and

1128
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,480
who's he? Fighting like that's the real, issue not just

1129
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,360
whether there's a hero's journey or. Not LIKE i, mean

1130
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,000
you could Say christianity is a hero's, journey, right because In,

1131
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:31,480
Christianity christ descends to the, underworld Battles satan spiritually, speaking

1132
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:34,400
and then resurrects and goes into you, know and ascends into.

1133
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,400
Heaven So christianity is a kind of a hero's you

1134
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,719
Know catabassis story as.

1135
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,679
Speaker 3: Well, so but isn't part of your issue the fact

1136
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,719
that the thing that empowers them to defeat the bad

1137
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,239
guy is like sacred, knowledge which to, me like That's

1138
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:49,239
Harry potter learning.

1139
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 4: Magic in the case Of Harry, potter it's a little

1140
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,400
bit different because And i'm not just saying this because,

1141
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:58,960
OH i have A christian, Worldview Like i've actually gone

1142
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,880
back and review all The Harry potter series and there's

1143
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,800
More christian themes and virtue themes THAT i THAN i previously.

1144
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,840
Thought So And i'm not saying Because i've never been

1145
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:09,440
A Harry potter.

1146
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 5: Fan yeah me. Either, Really i've Just.

1147
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:16,599
Speaker 4: I've changed my mind reviewing, it and somebody challenged me

1148
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:18,719
to do. It they, said, hey you should rewatch it

1149
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,719
and think about think about it in the vein of SAY. C.

1150
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,639
S lewis or you, Know Tolkien's lord of The. Rings

1151
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:29,199
And i've always, thought, well she basically just rips off

1152
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:30,840
a bunch of stuff From lord of The. Rings but

1153
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:34,559
there was actually quite a bit More christian themes THAN i.

1154
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,880
Thought that's a whole separate. Topic jamie AND i are

1155
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,280
Gonna we're Gonna jami and are going to do a

1156
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,440
podcast on, that SO i can address that maybe in more.

1157
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,280
Detail BUT i.

1158
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,679
Speaker 3: Just figured OUT i would ask maybe maybe. NOTHING i,

1159
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:47,559
Mean hollywood is the whole point of your books in

1160
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:54,440
this conversation Is hollywood is not producing, empowering Positive christian aligned.

1161
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,079
Content that's not what they.

1162
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 4: Do, well it doesn't have to Be i'm not, Like

1163
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,960
i'm not a, puritan, like it doesn't have to Be christian.

1164
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:03,000
LINE i, mean LIKE i liked. Weapons weapons is a

1165
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,239
a or.

1166
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: Attire NOW i did not see, weapons BUT i had

1167
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,000
the story spoiled for, me and tell me if this is.

1168
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:13,159
True but the movie basically at the end you find

1169
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:17,840
out that Satanic jews are corrupting all the white kids

1170
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,920
and all the suburban. Kids is it A satanic jew?

1171
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,159
Speaker 4: THING i didn't detect Anything jewish about.

1172
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:27,519
Speaker 3: IT i gotta talk to my buddy BECAUSE i took

1173
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:27,960
him at his.

1174
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 4: WORD i, MEAN i, MEAN i WOULDN'T i wouldn't HAVE

1175
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:32,199
i wouldn't have a problem admitting if.

1176
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,039
Speaker 3: There she have a big? Nose does the witch have

1177
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:35,960
a big? Nose maybe that's what he was getting at.

1178
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,559
That maybe it was more, subtle but he was, LIKE

1179
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,000
i think that's the, message is that Cabalistic jews are

1180
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:41,559
corrupting the.

1181
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: YOUTH i, MEAN i just took her as a grandma

1182
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,039
THAT i don't there weren't. THERE i don't recall there

1183
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:50,559
Being jewish, features BUT i, MEAN i guess you could

1184
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:51,000
read it that.

1185
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:53,159
Speaker 3: Way maybe take a look at that one again, too

1186
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,000
now and it'll make it Into east O Tera hollywood.

1187
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,320
Three what'd You i'm throwing a couple in here just

1188
01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,679
at the end Of. Bogonia did you see?

1189
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 4: BAGONE i liked it quite a, bit.

1190
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: Oh man spoiler, Alert, GOSH i hate to spoil, movies

1191
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,519
BUT i guess it's a flat earth.

1192
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 5: Film, NOW i.

1193
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't YOU'RE i know you've said you're not

1194
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,920
a Flat earth, guy but you're not not a Flat earth,

1195
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:13,440
guy right?

1196
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:13,639
Speaker 4: Are?

1197
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:13,719
Speaker 2: You?

1198
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:14,599
Speaker 5: Are Your earth shape?

1199
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:18,199
Speaker 4: Agnostic so, YEAH i don't have Any i'm very skeptical

1200
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:21,199
about mainline science type stuff in, general SO i don't

1201
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:23,559
really have any committed positions on. It i'm not convinced

1202
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:26,199
by the flat earth. Arguments i'm well aware of. Them

1203
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:27,840
i've heard them for many. Years BUT i.

1204
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,199
Speaker 3: Didn't Think bagonia would be a Flat earth film, THOUGH.

1205
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 4: I, MEAN i know that with the, model that's the

1206
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,679
sequence that shows a little. MODEL i thought that was

1207
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,280
kind of, fun but it's also, comedy, right it's a dark.

1208
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,679
SATIRE i thought it was really. FUNNY i enjoyed quite

1209
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:43,519
a bit all those. Parts there are some fascinating conspiracy

1210
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,719
elements to. It we did do a podcast On, begonia

1211
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,480
so yet again another film THAT i thought was. Entertaining but, yeah,

1212
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,519
SO i, mean you, know there's a. Plenty there's plenty

1213
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:55,159
of films that are still out, there you, know gems

1214
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,199
in the rough that you can find that are that are, fun.

1215
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,239
ENTERTAINING i Like Long legs quite a. Bit that was

1216
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,880
a satanic film THAT i thought was really really well.

1217
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,119
MADE i usually Like Nick cage, films.

1218
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 3: SO i tend to avoid the really dark. Stuff But

1219
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,119
Zach kraiger is the guy who made, weapons and he

1220
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:11,920
was From Whitest.

1221
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 5: Kids you.

1222
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,679
Speaker 3: Know he Made Miss march With Trevor, moore whose DEATH

1223
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:17,239
i still find very suspicious.

1224
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,719
Speaker 4: Too and he Did, barbarian which was didn't have a

1225
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,280
lot of, depth but it was a fun horror.

1226
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 3: Movie And Zach craiger has a New Resident evil movie

1227
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,159
coming out this year that might be. Interesting that was

1228
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:29,920
going to be kind of the last THING i was

1229
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,360
going to ask, you is are there films in twenty

1230
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,639
twenty six that you're looking forward, to either genuinely looking

1231
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,199
forward to or just looking forward.

1232
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 4: To.

1233
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:41,559
Speaker 3: Unpacking we got A spielberg, again A nolan A spielberg disclosure,

1234
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:45,000
film and A nolan mythology. FILM i mean those Two

1235
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,079
i'm going to. SEE i don't want know If i'm

1236
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:48,199
super excited about.

1237
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: It.

1238
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:48,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

1239
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 4: Yeah there's probably about ten MOVIES i noticed that look

1240
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,480
like they have some, potential and for different reasons they

1241
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:58,239
might not all be worth, analyzing but just you, know

1242
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:02,599
for entertainment, value think what is there's a zombie movie

1243
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:04,920
coming out THAT i think looks pretty pretty interesting in

1244
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:10,039
a unique. Way we bury The dead is it looks

1245
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:13,639
like zombies done in a more sophisticated, way not the standard.

1246
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:17,719
STUFF i think maybe that movie With rachel McAdams where

1247
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,199
she's stuck on an. Island that one looks like it

1248
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,320
might be pretty pretty. Fun we Watched The rip With

1249
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,440
Ben affleck And Matt, damon AND i thought it was pretty.

1250
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,960
GOOD i have you, know they're not my, favorites but

1251
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,320
that movie turned out pretty. Good you, know ready or.

1252
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:42,679
Not that's an interesting satanic cult horror thriller that's kind

1253
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,360
of a satire that might be that's the sequel to

1254
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,679
the first one that will be coming. Out Silent, hill interestingly,

1255
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,840
enough is full of cobbalistic ritual, magic WHICH i didn't

1256
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,559
really realize that UNTIL i went and played the game

1257
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,119
and got kind of down that rabbit hole of getting

1258
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,400
into The Laura's Silent. Hill so there's a New hill

1259
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,880
movie that might be worth. Analyzing. DAVID i Think David

1260
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,960
fincher has a new a, cult, satanic a serial killer

1261
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,079
movie coming out Called Psycho killer that might be worth. Analyzing, so,

1262
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,079
yeah that's that's what comes to.

1263
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 5: MIND i don't even watch dark horror.

1264
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: Stuff i've never really liked horror games or horror movies that.

1265
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,960
MUCH i tend, to you, know like everything. Else did

1266
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,280
you analyze him The garland? Movie, yeah the football movie

1267
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,519
where he gets initiated into.

1268
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:36,079
Speaker 4: This oh, No i'm sorry This so there's. Two there's.

1269
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:38,639
MEN i was thinking of. Men excuse, Me, Yes jamie

1270
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:40,920
AND i did a podcast on him because that.

1271
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 5: SUCKS i hear it.

1272
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,239
Speaker 4: Sucks, well it's not a good, movie but it is

1273
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:52,960
all about like kind of satanic cult within sports, stuff

1274
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,280
which IS i, Mean i'm not even aware of any

1275
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,440
movies about, that SO.

1276
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,199
Speaker 3: I, KNOW i thought it was really an interesting subject,

1277
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,880
matter AND i thought the cinematography looked.

1278
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,119
Speaker 4: Bad there is elements of that that are. Good it's

1279
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:08,119
just the story ends up just kind of being. Corny that.

1280
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,079
Speaker 3: SUCKS i, mean you did the hard. Part the hard

1281
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,760
part is getting all the style. Right the easy part

1282
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,760
is just have a decent story stick the landing.

1283
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 4: You would think you would.

1284
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:17,559
Speaker 5: Think.

1285
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: Well pleasure as, always, MAN i really like reconnecting with

1286
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,000
some of the RESEARCHERS i consider part of the old.

1287
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:29,239
Guard it is now a very crowded, space but remind

1288
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,039
people of the many irons you have in the.

1289
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:34,719
Speaker 4: Fire, yeah you can follow my, work As greg said

1290
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:38,280
at Jason alsis dot. Com that's all the past decade

1291
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,320
of archives of, lectures, interviews, talks as well as all

1292
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,719
the public. Material my channel on YouTube Is Jay. Dyer

1293
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,039
you can follow me On, Twitter, instagram et cetera Under Jay.

1294
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:51,000
Dyer you can find me writing for The Sam Hyde.

1295
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,800
Show you can find me Fourth hour usually On fridays

1296
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,159
of The Aue Jones. Show and then we had a

1297
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,199
lot of live events coming up in twenty twenty.

1298
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 3: Six D i didn't know you were such a. REGULAR

1299
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,079
i didn't know you had a regular slot on The

1300
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:03,760
Alex Jones.

1301
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:04,119
Speaker 5: Show that's.

1302
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:07,519
Speaker 4: Interesting, yeah for about six. YEARS i mean it's not Every,

1303
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:09,880
friday BUT i would say it's probably three out of

1304
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,039
four per month.

1305
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,119
Speaker 3: Usually, well congrats on. THAT i think that's a feather

1306
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,159
in the. Cap but, yeah.

1307
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 4: It's been a great it's been a great. Time i've

1308
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,319
gotten used to. It kind of working With alexis is

1309
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,399
a lot of. Fun he's a, character SO i guess

1310
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,000
you do it. REMOTELY i mean we've done a lot

1311
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,880
of stuff in studio, too but usually. Remotely right.

1312
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,199
Speaker 3: On, well either, way loved. It congrats on getting the trilogy.

1313
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:37,640
Done you, know trilogies used to be enough For, hollywood

1314
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,600
but now you've got to have a. Fourth SO i

1315
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,439
guess we'll talk in another six. Years we'll, see all,

1316
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:50,119
Right take care, Man Thanks. Greg the power Of christ compels,

1317
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:50,239
you you.

1318
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 5: PEOPLE.

1319
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 3: MM i always love a pop culture analysis. Show they

1320
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,960
are easy books for me to read Because i'm usually

1321
01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:01,479
already familiar with the. Material ALTHOUGH i was pretty surprised

1322
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,399
with Thees Tera hollywood three that it wasn't more about

1323
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,920
the films that have come out since the last. Book

1324
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,760
it was mostly older, stuff which is. COOL i was

1325
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,479
just a little surprised by, it AND i do Think

1326
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,479
jay is great at unpacking the contents of a. Film

1327
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,199
he does it in an academic. Way, yeah we have ideological,

1328
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,279
differences But i'm very used to that at this.

1329
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 5: Point of. COURSE i knew that.

1330
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 3: Going, in AND i didn't plan to bring it up at,

1331
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,039
all BUT i guess it can't help but come into

1332
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:34,640
play when we get deep into the themes of certain

1333
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,199
films and what they might want to, see and especially

1334
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:40,119
in The plus, show it came. Up some of the

1335
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:45,359
QUESTIONS i guess just seemed to return to, Orthodoxy but

1336
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,439
it's all. Good in those, MOMENTS i try to express

1337
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,520
THAT i don't Think i'm as combative AS i used to,

1338
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,760
be And i'm SURE i sound like a broken record

1339
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,319
to listeners leaning on the same, examples.

1340
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 5: Usually THE covid.

1341
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 3: Thing BUT i don't talk to any of these guests

1342
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,359
outside of our actual. Interviews so that's just me trying

1343
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:07,640
to explain myself or say we have more common ground

1344
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,520
than you might think because outside of my unusual, Job

1345
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,920
i've got two, kids a boy and a. Girl me

1346
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,039
and my wife have pretty traditional dynamics and a nuclear.

1347
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:22,039
Family we don't go to, church but outside of, that

1348
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,279
six out of seven days a, WEEK i think on,

1349
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:28,439
paper we're pretty much living like A christian family with

1350
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,000
traditional conservative values would, live just focusing on the, kids

1351
01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:37,439
trying to put attention into making them good, people getting

1352
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,039
high with every spare. MOMENT i, mean it's the same

1353
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:46,319
life a, kid but these days it's more contrarian to

1354
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:47,439
focus on the common.

1355
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 5: Ground SO i just try to do.

1356
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,239
Speaker 3: That And jay is good at what he, does, though

1357
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:55,039
AND i really don't see anyone else coming along to

1358
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:57,600
make conspiratorial film analysis their.

1359
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 5: Thing he's got a damn good trilogy out.

1360
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 3: Now we Had Robert sullivan doing cinema symbolism as well

1361
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,760
for a, while BUT i think there's room for a non,

1362
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,279
religious non Free masonic independent perspective if someone out there

1363
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:17,359
has the. Chops given how crowded The internet is while

1364
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:21,760
also being, dead it feels like that lane has a

1365
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,239
bit of room for a few more. CARS i would

1366
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,479
Say Chris knowles obviously does, that and he does it,

1367
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,079
well but he does so much more THAT i just

1368
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:36,159
don't really consider it the. Same synchro mysticism tends to include,

1369
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:40,239
film but it's just different for me for some. Reason

1370
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,720
though he did just put out a GREAT X files,

1371
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,199
book going about as deep on the themes there as anyone. Could,

1372
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:51,600
Anyway i'm just big on shared history. Too i'm always

1373
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,560
going to Appreciate jay just because of how small our

1374
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,319
little counterculture was when we first. Started, now of course

1375
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:02,279
he's doing An Alley, jones he's doing The Sam hide,

1376
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:05,520
Stuff he's co hosting a show At Jay. Widner he's

1377
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,760
a big shot pretty much doing us a favor, now, right.

1378
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:10,560
Speaker 5: But good.

1379
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,279
Speaker 3: Times i'm sure it makes for a LITTLE thhc nostalgia

1380
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,760
for those who have been with us for a long.

1381
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,920
Time and higher side. News, Well i've gotten myself into

1382
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,880
a bit of a. Pickle World war three decided to

1383
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,359
kick off right WHEN i have more shows recorded in

1384
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:28,680
the can THAN i can, remember Because i'm going to

1385
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,760
be out of town for two weeks In. March me

1386
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,159
and the fam are going back To San diego to

1387
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:37,800
get some much needed casual socialization with familiar faces in our.

1388
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,000
Lives so AS i, DO i got paranoid and overbooked

1389
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:45,720
myself and Now i'm sitting on too many, interviews and

1390
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,760
there are two schools of thought as to HOW i

1391
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,840
should handle. It some people would preload them and drip

1392
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,279
feed them to, you schedule them for release to cover the.

1393
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,439
Gap but the other school of thought is THAT i

1394
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,399
should just hammer you with four five interviews right away

1395
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,800
and rapid, succession and then maybe Maybe i'll save one

1396
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,119
from WHEN i get back in CASE i come back not.

1397
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,560
Optimized but you get it THAT i should just put

1398
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,279
them out as fast AS i. Can AND i, think

1399
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:15,560
because of the nature of this show being about current

1400
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,159
events and, all that it is better not to hold

1401
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:21,560
onto interviews any longer THAN i have. To two come

1402
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,399
to mind in the ONES i have that are going

1403
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,840
to have a lot more impact right now as opposed

1404
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,680
to two or three weeks from. Now but you, know

1405
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,640
bombs are, dropping iotola's are getting, whacked and the timeline

1406
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,640
is not exactly moving, slowly SO i don't want them

1407
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,119
to be. Outdated SO i Think i'm just gonna hit

1408
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:43,000
you with three or four in the first ten days

1409
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:44,960
and then let the big gap be what it. Is

1410
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,560
you won't forget about, me, right BUT i think you

1411
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,079
will see comments saying, like what happened To?

1412
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 5: Greg is he all?

1413
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: Right blah blah. Blah if you see that, stuff please

1414
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,840
put it to. Rest clearly not everyone listens to the wrap,

1415
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,600
ups but you, do so help me out. THERE i

1416
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,399
don't need any unnecessary, drama you, know none of us.

1417
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,520
Do but expect a quick flood and then a dry

1418
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,560
second half of the. MONTH i know some people will

1419
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,560
be very happy That i'm taking a break from solo

1420
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,399
shows because this is going to be just a five interview,

1421
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,000
month THOUGH i will say the majority seem to be

1422
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,439
pretty okay with the solo. Stuff but let's talk about

1423
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,960
it as we are in the review portion of these

1424
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,960
here wrap ups in The weeds episode to The epstein

1425
01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:35,479
edition kind of massaging what that format was supposed to be.

1426
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,159
About but The epstein files are so big and vast

1427
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,039
THAT i thought it worked. Out, again these things bring

1428
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:45,439
in more subs and. INTERVIEWS i can't. COMPLAIN i gotta do.

1429
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,880
Them they are a ton more work than the. Interviews

1430
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,319
and the biggest, criticism ironically THAT i see is that

1431
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:56,680
a lot of people think it's just somebody rambling on

1432
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,760
about their news, feed which isn't exactly. Wrong BUT i

1433
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,439
am still putting a lot of thought and effort into curating,

1434
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,840
it AS i do with the guests and AS i

1435
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,680
do with pulling out the finer points of their work

1436
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,319
THAT i try to bring into an. Interview it's just

1437
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:17,239
a different type of, curation, really but you can't please.

1438
01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:20,800
EVERYONE i will try to tweak the process and make

1439
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,439
it feel less like, that, Maybe BUT i clearly don't

1440
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,039
have to do too much because we got ourselves a

1441
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:31,439
four point. Eight baby really couldn't do much. Better the

1442
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,960
plus people don't, lie and nine out of ten comments

1443
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,039
seem to be basically ata, Boys SO i Guess i'm

1444
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:39,439
a happy.

1445
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 5: GUY i can't.

1446
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,319
Speaker 3: Complain as for the last interview we Did Peter, cowen

1447
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:50,119
the forty nine ers, substation, STORY emf research, history sunlight's

1448
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:54,399
importance and all that good quantum biology. STUFF i don't

1449
01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:56,119
love that, term by the, way but it is the

1450
01:15:56,199 --> 01:15:56,720
term they.

1451
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,279
Speaker 5: Use it should just be.

1452
01:15:58,399 --> 01:16:02,239
Speaker 3: Light health or electric magnetic light health to cover THE

1453
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:06,159
emf as well as sunlight and blue. Light but, whatever

1454
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:09,399
this isn't mad. MEN i am not there branding, guy,

1455
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:14,680
unfortunately but quantum biology it's a field, now and this

1456
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,039
INTERVIEW i saw the rating jump all over the. Place

1457
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:19,680
it was pretty low a couple of times THAT i,

1458
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,159
looked but now it's a four point. Seven so AGAIN

1459
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,119
i can't. Complain plus people seem to be very happy right.

1460
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:30,920
Now epstein thing four point, Eight Peter collen four point,

1461
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,840
Seven charles fort book report another four point. Eight that's

1462
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,800
a good, streak and two out of three of those

1463
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,479
are THINGS i did. Myself so what else is there to.

1464
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,159
SAY i know everyone is getting spun up about The iran.

1465
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:49,079
THING i totally get. IT i said in a comment

1466
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:53,720
somewhere in response to someone, that, look there are unadvertised

1467
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:58,399
tragedies every, day and then sometimes we have advertised. Ones and,

1468
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:03,119
yes collateral damage in war is always a. Tragedy hitting

1469
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:06,800
a fucking school where they now say they have one

1470
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,680
hundred and sixty five dead kids and one hundred, injuries

1471
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,640
it really is a level of evil and horrible that

1472
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:15,840
is at The epstein.

1473
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,199
Speaker 5: Level he facilitated the abuse of.

1474
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: KIDS i guess largely one at a, time as opposed

1475
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,600
to dropping a bomb and hitting a school and ruining

1476
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,319
triple digit. Lives BUT i do see it as almost the.

1477
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:33,960
Same they're saying the school is adjacent to An islamic

1478
01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:35,720
revolutionary guard.

1479
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 5: BARRACKS i don't.

1480
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: Care you just can't make that kind of mistake and

1481
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,560
you shouldn't be doing this. Shit anyway regime. Change we've

1482
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:53,000
seen this movie, before no pun. Intended, now ALL i

1483
01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:55,159
can tell myself WHEN i see that is that maybe

1484
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:58,239
this is some wag the dog shit to use another.

1485
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,079
FILM i want to believe it didn't really. Happen i'm

1486
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:04,439
not saying that it didn't, Happen but in war you

1487
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,159
have to acknowledge that it's all about emotional manipulation with

1488
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:12,800
the goal of turning a population against its leaders and

1489
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,720
demanding it all, stop or making it seem like if

1490
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,199
you want to present us as the, liberators it makes

1491
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:22,720
it look like everybody loves it and there's cheering in the.

1492
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,279
STREETS i don't know how much FAITH i can put

1493
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:29,079
in any of that. Stuff it's all generated for a.

1494
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:32,960
Reason so, again not saying that it didn't, HAPPEN i don't.

1495
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,720
Know i'm just saying be aware that images that come

1496
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,800
along with information are handpicked for their emotional, impact like

1497
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,479
this one here of the bloody. Backpack now for the,

1498
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,600
LISTENERS i am showing, it But i'm sure most people

1499
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:52,319
have seen. It pink backpack looks, staged set on some,

1500
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,520
rubble blood splattered all over, it and a LITTLE ai.

1501
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,199
Art it seems to me of a girl praying on

1502
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,039
her knees with the head covering on and all. THAT

1503
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:07,960
i see the image and initially it gets. Me but

1504
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,199
WHEN i really look at it AND i think about

1505
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:14,920
the exact staged images used in the Film wag The

1506
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,399
dog in this exact kind of. Scenario you, know it's

1507
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,239
like they're going through doing castings in the film for

1508
01:19:23,399 --> 01:19:26,520
like the saddest cutest kitten for the kid in the

1509
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,680
rubble to beholding and all. That it is a, Satire so,

1510
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,720
yeah that takes it to a ridiculous. Degree but STILL

1511
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,720
i look at that image doesn't sit right with. Me

1512
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:43,800
it seems a little too, perfect little non, organic and

1513
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,119
it's not really about any one specific. Thing just be

1514
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:51,279
careful out there and preserve your. Energy it might get really,

1515
01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:54,159
wild or this might be some of the same Old

1516
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:57,680
Middle east stuff that's almost always going. ON i, know

1517
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,520
The aatola thing is. Different thirty years this is a long.

1518
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,680
Time but, STILL i, mean to some, degree this is

1519
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,760
always going. On but you're going to hear about five

1520
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,760
thhc interviews in a, row all recorded before any of this,

1521
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,880
Started so maybe that's a nice little safe haven for.

1522
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 5: You, sorry they should have consulted.

1523
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,239
Speaker 3: Me they didn't REALIZE i had a trip, PLANNED i

1524
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:23,560
guess before they dropped the. Bombs either, way thanks To

1525
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,520
jay again much. Loved all you, listeners take care of

1526
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,840
you and. Yours i've done my. Part your move Esoteric hollywood,

1527
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,079
wheelers thirty five millimeter magic makers and culture.

1528
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,079
Speaker 5: Controllers your fucking?

1529
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: Move is? It sam til how? Things and oh is

1530
01:20:52,800 --> 01:21:05,359
life richly plan right from the. Jump it's so.

1531
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:13,119
Speaker 2: Funny when you think about it.

1532
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:18,520
Speaker 1: Taking so much for.

1533
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:26,239
Speaker 2: Grant never think to.

1534
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:36,520
Speaker 1: Tell the Magic man for long go elginy and most

1535
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,319
every thing we Know.

1536
01:21:40,279 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: Earth creakes and takes fours and cakes gord.

1537
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: Nose it's hard to.

1538
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: Escape the Magic man's long ago will ride.

1539
01:21:52,079 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: Him so we never had much and we're out and

1540
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:09,119
these we're. Cognition don't see.

1541
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 2: It going noise behind the closed, doors behind the. Roads

1542
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,359
they're pulling all the.

1543
01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:35,119
Speaker 1: Strings loom in.

1544
01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:39,279
Speaker 2: All the shots with the Matching man from The long

1545
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:49,600
gold and, shy most of the thing Window earth greats

1546
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:55,920
and takes horns and case long, noses high shapes the.

1547
01:22:56,119 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: Matching men From Long, long and you didn't host everything we?

1548
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:31,159
Speaker 2: Know wass todles against logos part to escape imagine the

1549
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:32,239
long

1550
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: Uncle