Speaker 1: The planet's pupp and masters will surely have a plan.
Speaker 2: There's clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man.
Until we've thoroughly tested every last close testing you.
Speaker 1: And find the more we think we know, we really do.
Where would we be without TAC Because we know a
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Speaker 3: Company White's Camera Action People from the Sunshine State. I'm
Greg Carlwood, And there is a real awakening when you
realize that so many of the movies and films we
grew up with, we're not just made for the sake
of entertainment, but most actually contained subliminal messaging, hidden symbolism,
and narrative content designed to influence your thoughts and feelings
on a number of real world subjects. And it goes
deeper still, wouldn't you know when you consider the origins
of Hollywood itself, how it got its name, and how
the whole industry seems to have developed out of a
knowledge that true magic is the ability to affect the
primordial substrate of reality and psychically drive your agenda past
the conscious mind, embedding your manipulative messages deep into the
subconscious and if that seems far fetched, consider that coincidentally
engaging with most screen and media technology engineers in its
audience the exact brain wave states one would need to
be in for maximum effect. Well, some of my favorite
THHC episodes in the archives center around film analysis and
sussing out the subtle details and little magic tricks we
missed in the many movies we've seen over the years,
and one of the go to guys for that is
our man, author, comedian, theologian, and pop culture critic Jay Dyer.
He seems more active than ever these days as a
writer for the Same Hide show and co creator co
presenter of the show Hollywood Decoded with Jay Widner, as
well as being very active on his YouTube channel. Of course,
you can always find all things Jay Dyer on his website,
Jay'sanalysis dot com. We have done the dance three times before,
going all the way back to twenty fifteen, always focused
on that thirty five millimeter magic and the wizards wielding
the Hollywood where we covered in those interviews. His first
two books Esoteric Hollywood one and two, but he recently
completed the trilogy with Esoteric Hollywood three, and I look
forward to getting into it again. The movie Magic Trick Detector,
mass mind Control, Machine Exposer and film industry deconstructor Jay
after six long years, welcome back, Thanks Greg.
Speaker 4: It's good to be back with you. It doesn't seem
like a decade. I remember the first interview. We talked
about sci fi, illuminism and predictive programming and science fiction.
And it's good to be back ten year later with
the completion of the trilogy. And I appreciate you having
me back.
Speaker 5: Of course.
Speaker 3: Man, you know, I got one and two right here,
and I believe they're both autographed, and then three I
got on Kindle and I didn't think I was ady
d like that. But something doesn't feel right about the
two physical and then the digital. It's all fucked up.
But hopefully this UH is going to be a nice reunion.
So you do spend a lot of the intro of
this third installment talking about Dave McGowan and his book
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, Laurel Canyon cover Ups and
the dark Heart of the Hippie Dream, and a big
aspect of that is Lookout Mountain Laboratory, which was one
of the largest film production studios of its day, run
by the Air Force. I think Jared Leto now owns it.
But you've actually been up there and have at least
seen it from the outside in person, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we took a trip there when I think the
second one came out, as Sir call I would two
in twenty eighteen, and we took a road trip and
we went to la and we drove up there to
check it out. And you can kind of see from
the road, you know, some of the old Air Force
memorabilia that he I guess left kind of in the
the grotto up there, but a lot of it you
can't really see. There's a pretty high fence. But we
weren't trying to creep on Jared Leto or see him
using the bathroom another We were just checking it out.
But yeah, it's up Wonderland Avenue. It's a really there's
a lot of lore behind that area with with you know,
Maholland Drive and all that kind of stuff and Manson
Murders Chilo Drive is all pretty you know, closely connected
to that same strip there. But yeah, this was the
most prominent you know, technologically speaking, theater and film operation
of his time. So he had a lot of the
major directors and producers and a list actors who had
access to this high tech you know, Air Force studio,
you know, throughout the forties, fifties, sixties period, and most
people didn't know about this. Everybody knows about Warner Brothers
or Paramount or whatever, the big studios, but they didn't
know there was a secret high tech you know, a
facility that actually was behind filming the Trinity Site, the
you know the different hydrogen bomb Adam Baum videos that
you see, those were actually filmed to put together at
Wonderland Studios. So Marilyn Monroe had access to it, Walt
Disney had access to it. Jimmy Stewart, there's actually you
can find archived footage of Jimmy Stewart there. So you know,
it's because I think when I wrote either the first one,
I think of the second one, I just read Dave's
book and I had most of the second book written,
and I realized that weird scenes out of the Canyon
was so relevant that I had to go back and
kind of add in some stuff into part two. So
I stuck it again in part three just because I
think it's such a powerful proof of kind of the
overall thesis of this connection between A List actors, Hollywood
and the deep state. And so in the third one,
I also stuck some stuff in there about previous A
List actors that were legitimately spies, you know, like like
literal spies. So yeah, I felt like around it out
pretty good. But yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you looked
at the third one. Did you get to that chapter
about the Hollywood spies?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I read it all.
Speaker 3: In fact, I got a question about someone I'm really
surprised is considered a spy, but we'll get to that.
I wanted to so with this facility, you go on
to say, is this where the atomic bomb footage was
filmed and the so called moon landings, which are good questions.
I was going to ask you if we knew for
sure anything that had actually been filmed there, But you're
saying the Trinity tests. I mean, in the book you
frame it as a question, but you seem pretty confident
that they were filmed there.
Speaker 4: Now, well, there was a website that I'm pretty this
was years ago when I found it, and I want
to say it was like an archival government site, but
I was not I never been able to find that
websiting in and it detailed the history of the Trinity
site footage. So that's probably why I framed it as
a question because I try to approach it from a
somewhat scholarly approach. I don't like to, you know, source
it unless I'm sure and I have a reference for it.
So that's probably why I friended it as a question.
But I do recall there there was a website that
had a history of that, but I wasn't sure. But yeah,
I don't know about the exactly where the moon landing
stuff was processed. But regardless, you can find archive footage
which I think is still on YouTube where you have
Jimmy Stewart being filmed doing a lot of promo stuff
for the FBI, and he was in a couple movies,
one of which is The FBI Story, which was just
open Hollywood FBI propaganda. So you know, at that time
it was seen as just part of patriotism, right to
film this kind of stuff. I don't think they saw
it as something nefarious or conspiratorial, but yeah, we can
confirm a lot of those things nowadays. But for example,
the National Archives have recently declassified certain actors and actresses
who were known to be spies. So you know, over time,
a lot of this stuff gets vindicated, and I would
say on the whole most of the most, not always,
but most of the time. The conspiracy theory is, as
with most things, we end up being vindicated because it
ends up eventually coming out right right.
Speaker 3: So you also write in the intro, how this one
is different from the first two. Let people know, give
them the elevator pitch. Why this third one exists or
what it does differently than the first two.
Speaker 4: Well, the first one was centered around directors, and it
was a very long essay style approach to different films.
So there's like sixty or seventy pages of Kubrick, there's
sixty seventy pages of Hitchcock and Spielberg. So it's kind
of focused around directors. And I don't even remember. I
think I just did that because I think back then,
you know, ten years ago, there was a lot of
people analyzing Skuberg films online. It was a very popular
thing to do, so I probably thought about that. Well
the next one, I thought, well, I want to do
a little bit different, so I organized it thematically with
Hollywood and organized crime and Hollywood and spy agencies and
Hollywood and terrorism propaganda. That was a lot more prevalent
back in twenty sventine, although we still have quite a
bit of that even today. But then I think with
a third one, there were so many movies that I
never got to, shows that were really important, really packed
with esoteric occult symbology, you know, true detective. I had
so many people saying, over the years, when are you gonna,
you know, analyze some Christopher Nolan films. You know, you've
done all these directors from fifty years ago, and you know,
we people don't really watch Hitchcock as much as they
used to, or maybe maybe even you know, Spielberg as
much as they used to. So what's a more contemporary director. Well,
probably the most famous contemporary director is Christopher Nolan, So
I thought, why not stick him in there. I had
a lot of people saying, hey, what are you going
to talk about? You know, superheroes? You know that's a
that's dominated you know, blockbusters for the last twenty years,
has been these these superhero films, So I know you've
had I think it was his name Christopher Noles. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
you've had him on talking about you know, our gods
were spandex and all that. So I felt like that
was just it needed to be done. And then also
most of one and two when I wrote, when I
put those into the book, they were already written. A
lot of Part three was not written. I would say
about half of it is new. And also I took
an approach of putting more movies in, so rather than
like twenty page essays on one movie, it's more so
like three or four page essays on a lot more movies.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did notice that, and some of those themes
are super interesting. Let's jump to the spy thing, because
one of those people is Harry Houdini, which you say
kind of came from weird scenes that somewhere in there,
Dave McGowan exposed Harry Houdini's connection to Laurel Canyon and
his role as a spy for Scotland Yard. I mean,
I don't know if I've ever heard this. I don't
remember that. I read the book a while back, but
I don't remember that. What's this deal with Houdini being
a spy. It seems like every household name has some
kind of sketchy connection somewhere.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the connection goes way back. There's an
older tradition of actors and actresses being used for other purposes.
You know, actress and actresses for example, used to be
prostitutes a long time ago. So this idea of having
multiple jobs for for that role is not is not new.
It's an old idea. But if you go back to
like the British you know, Renaissance period, you had actors
and actresses who did espionage work as well. So it's
kind of a British tradition, you could say. But then Houdini,
I think the slide of hand techniques that he had
that he could do, I think they already kind of
saw that as something that could potentially be used in
the espionage world. You know, for example, if you're if
you're a good lock picker, then you could probably get
out of some you know, sticky situation or something like that.
You're also, if you're famous, I think they knew right away,
like you're going to be having a lot more doors
opened up to you. Then if you're just a normy, right,
just some random dude. Uh, if you're famous, you're going
to go be meeting perhaps other foreign leaders, dignitaries, other celebrities.
So you you become a very natural ally to the
you know, confidential informists by world and I think they
saw that with with Houdini. I'm not a huge, you know,
historian of Houdini. I don't know a lot about his
life other than what Dave McGowan's talked about, but I
do have another book that talks about the history of
the CIA using and studying stage magic and sleight of hand.
So they've also brought in people like David Copperfield and
you know, those kinds of high profile magicians to teach
the CIA different techniques that could be used perhaps even
in spycraft. So that's that's actually been a long time
connection as well. But it's not just the CIA, it
actually goes way back, as you said to Houdini.
Speaker 3: Well, Dave McGowan is a good guy to open the
book the intro with, because you know, he's got this
thing where he shows how so many people, so many
musicians in the sixties counterculture had parents that were military
intelligence or just in the miliu makes you want under
what's going on there. The Jim Morrison thing, and obviously
there's other examples, but when it becomes like seventy five
percent of the major acts of an entire genre, you
gotta think the whole thing is an operation. So you
know there's a parallel here to film and movies as well.
So I think it's a great way to open it
if we're going to go through just generally some of
the spy list. So maybe Udmi's in there, Jimmy Stewart's
in there. I think today we might say Ben Affleck
is in there. Waddy Harrelson's dad, I think, was supposed
to be some kind of assassin for intelligence. Yeah, exactly
who else would you put there? Maybe people who are
actually alive and active, or just whoever you got for
the spy list, the dual use list.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, going back to the silver screen, you know,
the classic era of Hollywood. Josephine Baker, the dancer singer.
She was involved in spying for the French Resistance, as
was Katherine Hepburn's daughter, Audrey Hepburn. She spied for the
anti Nazi resistance. You had Marlene Dietrich, who many people
thought was a German Nazi spy, but she was actually
trying to be a spy for the OSS, and it's
unclear whether she ever actually was. But Carrie Grant he
informed for the OSS on other people in Hollywood that
might have supposedly been a Nazi sympathizers, like Errol Flynn.
So people thought Errol Flynn might be a Nazi spy,
and so they asked Carry Grant to inform on him.
Sterling Hayden, the famous A lister, was an OSS spy
and kind of a war hero. John Ford, the famous director,
also made documentaries and won his award through the aid
and help of the OSS. So that's the wartime predecessor
of the CIA. So nineteen forty two to forty seven
you have the OSS, and that becomes the CIA in
nineteen forty seven out of that original birdish intelligence created organization.
And more recently, you know, you've had people like Nicholas
Well Ben Affleck openly working with the CIA to make
several films and he's publicly put out, or at least
there was Foyer requests for public memos talking about his
movies being made in concert with the CIA, particularly RGO.
And you have other films like Zero Darc thirty being
made openly with CIA consultation and aid. Jennifer Garner also
again close connection there to Ben Affleck obviously, who worked
with propaganda for the CIA. So you know, whether or
not she had some role as an operative, I don't know.
But Claire Danes, you know, with her show Homeland and
with Affleck and Matt Damon, those characters, they usually kind
of have a public, pretty public relationship with the agency.
And then some people have a little more speculative ideas
about people like George Clooney, who's you know, had worked
with the CIA as well for a long time and
film productions. But even beyond that, Clooney and Angelina and
Joe Lee are open members of the Council formulations, so
they actually go to CFR meetings, they participate, they're involved
in you know, United Nations organization type stuff, so that
they're more openly you know, affiliated and working with globalization
at that level, perhaps even beyond just CIA type stuff.
So but yeah, it's it's a very, i think now
kind of well known thing. But you know, when we
go back ten years ago, even when I was researching
this stuff or when I was looking at this stuff
in grad school, like this was just seen to be
totally crazy tenfold hat stuff. But I saw a clip
the other day where George Clooney was on one of
the late night shows, maybe Jimmy Kimmel or something, and
they were asking him about how he met his wife,
a Mall or whatever her name is, and he was like, yeah, well,
you know, I was there with some agencies and she
was helping to draft the europe the Egypt's new constitution
for the Muslim Brotherhood. I'm like, hello, like, you're only
doing that, you know, if you're working at some kind
of high, you know, intelligence level. But yeah, that's that's
the reality of the world that we live in, is
that these agencies in these supposed you know, things that
you would think are totally disconnected, like Hollywood or even
the NSA or the FBI. You know, it's not just
the CIA, There's you know, FBI, there's the Masade. All
of these different agencies have a really close connection to
to Hollywood film production. For example, a lot of TV
shows or movies that you think about that will say,
portray the FBI in a really important light, like the
X Files or something like that. Those can also be
kind of soft forms of propaganda or you might have
those agencies also, you know, making a deal to fund it,
partially fund it, or loan out or allow certain things
to happen if the script portrays them, you know, in
a positive way.
Speaker 3: When you think about ben Affleck and RGO and saying,
well he worked with intelligence. Of course, you know it's
an intelligence related movie, but people don't think about the
extent of that and the narrative control that goes into
it and framing everything exactly how the CIA or FBI
wants it framed. One that I worry about, not worry about, really,
but I wonder about is Leo DiCaprio, because I mean
some of his movies relate to narrative control of certain
things and biopics. And I guess recently what I think
is so curious is I've seen not only a video
clip of him when he was quite young being kind
of manhandled by a director casually on camera, but then
there's also a photo I saw pop up where he's
in like a giant bed at a ditty party and
he looks young. I mean, maybe Leo always looked young,
but he looks pretty young and he's on this bed
with these four dudes wearing White. It's like, man, maybe
this is one of those things where you passed around
for a while and then if you can keep your
mouth shut, you get to be a movie star.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I think we've seen in the last
several years more and more come out about that practice
that it's a lot more prevalent than we thought, so
I wouldn't be surprised. I haven't really looked into Leo
himself in terms of his background, you know, really in
the fourth book or the third book. This was really
the first time that I kind of went into the
fore ray of certain actors themselves. I mean, we talked
about a little bit maybe in the first and second one,
but I think, you know, I brought up Kerry Grant
was one of the first people, for example, to do LSD.
He was doing an LSD before any of the you
know sixties people were, so so there's you know, some
kind of little nuggets like that. And I maybe mentioned
some stuff with Julia Child, you know, being the she
was an osspy as well being a famous TV chef,
so there's some precedents for that kind of stuff. But
you know, this was really the only chapter I think
in the in the trilogy where I went into specific
people and kind of their relationships. But another example be
Tom Cruise. You know Tom Cruise has a long time
connection obviously to scientology. But right after nine to eleven,
there was some interesting news stories that came out in
mainstream media about him forming an alliance with the CIA
to help promote America's national security and make certain films
AKA I'm assuming it means the Mission Impossible series, right
to sort of bolster the idea that we need this
international mission force by agency type thing going on because
America is under a threat from international terror. Of course
that's run by the same elites that run our countries.
So it's like, you know, false stylectics. We know that,
but people in two thousand and one didn't typically know that.
So you know, you've got a listeners coming out with
that kind of stuff. But when it comes to Leo
and the PDF stuff, I wouldn't be surprised, you know.
There was I was watching all the interviews with on
MTV from the nineties, and even the MTV hosts like
Daisy Flint does There's this funny interview where she's totally
trying to get with him, and he looks like I mean,
he might be he might be of age. I'm not sure,
but I mean he looks like he's maybe fifteen or sixteen.
I don't know. I mean, I'm not accusing Daisy Flints
of anything, but like she's tried, obviously trying to get
with him, like she's all over him. You know. I
don't know if that was just his gravitas as a
mac daddy or if you know, maybe that was an
industry something understood in the industry. But I think with
Diddy Epstein all this kind of stuff, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To me, it's like, now Leo gets to be the
biggest movie star. He pretty much stays out of drama.
But everyone is like looking at this revolving door of
young chicks that he's going through, and I think there's
there could be a thing where it's like, hey, don't
touch that, don't comment on it. He paid his dues.
Now he gets to do his thing, and we're all
going to move on. But you know, just speculating. So
in terms of the content that you cover, one that
was pretty obscure that I really liked was this British
series Utopia, where a graphic novel writer reveals through codes
in his work real world conspiracy to release a bio weapon. Obviously,
it has a lot of parallels to COVID, and you
cite the Dean Koon's novel The Eyes of Darkness that
has been going around for its eerie details that seem
like predictive programming for COVID.
Speaker 5: But I didn't know this.
Speaker 3: You say it was written in nineteen eighty one but
revised eight years later to change the source of the
viral outbreak in the book to Wuhan, China. Man, that
is so interesting that they actively changed it. I look
this up. It is true. It was originally the virus
Gorky four hundred, and it was supposed to come from Gorky,
Russia in the book, but then the name of the
virus was changed to Wuhan four hundred, coming from a
military lab outside the city. I find this stuff so bizarre.
When these fictional works reflect real world events, almost always
conspiratorial events. And I've never been super satisfied with the
predictive programming hypothesis because if it's to prime the public
to accept some big event without questioning it, well, I mean,
there usually is an explanation that I mean, that's the
common explanation that I hear is that they're priming the
public for accepting an event. But how many people actually
see the media, you know, the same people who are
affected by the event itself are not necessarily the same
people who read the Dean Kuhn's novel. So I don't
know if there's a deeper reason, like, I mean, a
deeper reason than priming the public for this mirroring. I mean,
I take it to a pretty esoteric place, like maybe
they can manifest narratives by just putting it in the
collective imagination of a thousand or five thousand, or ten
thousand people. But that was an interesting detail that I
picked up from the book. But two of these things,
both the Utopia series and the Dean Kuhn's novel, seem
to predict COVID the Dean Kuhn's novel to a very
specific level of detail. But what do you think is
really behind these things that we see? Do you think
predictive programming is the solve for it, or do you
think it's something more esoteric?
Speaker 4: Over time, I've gotten actually probably more skeptical than I
used to be, because you know, in a lot of
cases that it's probably just coincidence. I'm not talking about
the examples that you gave, and I'm just thinking of
other examples. There's you know, things in movies that pop
up that you know after a while, you meet directors,
you interview people, you talk to people, and a lot
of stuff I think genuinely probably is just kind of happenstance.
But there's many instances where it's not, and so you
do have these odd questions as to you know, that's
really strange that that would be there explicitly like that,
or that it would be changed in that way. Now,
in the case of Dean Kun's, one thing I would
say is that his dad, or I should say, it
was the Dean Kun story that became Demon Seed, the
movie which I did it. There's a video on my channel.
I don't think I put it in. I might have
put it in the book I remember. But there's an
old horror movie called Demon c which is pretty entertaining
if you're looking for something fun to watch. But the
story is based on in part Crollian ideas. So the
director of that comes from a lineage of people who
were actually pretty devoted to Croley. The guy's dad. I
forget the guy's name, but his dad was one of
Croley's biographers. So in Demon c which is the Dean
Kuhn story, they intentionally kind of placed in quite a
bit of Crollian ideology, including the idea of creating a
homunculus that could be a future kind of Antichrist figure,
you know, and Dean Kuntz does. We just watch, for example,
the Jack Black Dean Kuntz movie that came out a
few years ago, and there's quite a bit of pretty
significant open reference to things like the Keys of Solomon, sigil, magic, Kabbala.
All those things come up pretty explicitly in Dean Kunt's stories.
So I think probably there's some degree of connection to
those ideas. At least there could be more of a deep,
say connection, I don't know, I know with the case
in the case of say Tom Clancy novels, those are
typically written in consultation with the CIA as well, and
the reason that happens is that they want to put
out those kinds of narratives. You know, if you go
back to the eighties, a lot more people would would
read than they do nowadays. So reading fiction stories was
another good way to propagandae people just think of H. G.
Wells and AHG. Wells was very open about his fiction being,
you know, absolutely propaganda. He was the key propaganda stuff
his day prior to Edward Burnet's So we know fiction
has that power to do that. And I think that
some of the weird details it could be people having
an inside laugh, It could be people who take ritual
magic esutary stuff seriously. There are directors who take that
kind of stuff. Series of for example, Aronofsky is a
committed cobbylist. He's very much in the Kabbala. More recently,
Egger's the guy that did The Witch and the New Dracula.
You know, he always tells the actors to read about
ritual magic before they do, before they come and do
the film. So so there are directors and the people
that do take this kind of stuff somewhat seriously at
that esoteric level. Another thing I would say is that
it's also a tradition in for example, British spy fiction
to write things that are real into the fiction stories.
And the reason for that, just on a practical level,
was that they always had the Official Secrets Act in
the UK, which meant that they couldn't openly talk about
these things, but if they wrote it into fiction, they
could get away with it and also make a living.
And I know that from studying, not just the you
know case of like say Joseph Conrad. He wasn't a
British intelligence operator, but when he was one of the
first British spy novel writers, and in The Secret Agent
he wrote, he wrote about things like false flags and
anarchist groups being used as a kind of a controlled opposition.
It's a really fascinating novel and that kind of sets
the stage for the rest of British fiction, like the
James Bond stories, right to put into the real events.
So I don't necessarily think that a lot of the
details are there for perhaps ritual magic purposes in the
case of say Ian Fleming. But Ian Fleming was absolutely
used as Cold War propaganda. So that's one element to
where you would put these real stories into fiction to propagandize.
But a lot of the details, it's a great question, Greg.
I don't I don't even know exactly what the purpose
of all the details, but I mean that was pretty crazy.
The Wuhan one is pretty crazy, and I admit, yeah,
Utopia Utopia, like Argo, is fascinating because it's one of
the few films like I think Under the Silver Lake
is another one. I know it's a series, but that
actually references the idea of predictive programming. Now Argo isn't
explicitly about that, but Argo has been Affleck working with
the CIA to make a movie about when the CIA
made a fake movie as a COVID operation. So it's
during meta, it's going, you know, multiple levels up. But
with Utopia you have reference to, at least the British
version of it, the predictive programming within comic books, which
is telling a story about how the elite are really
going to depopulate through releasing this thing and then having
a vaccine that sterilizes people. So that was pretty wild
to see that, you know, in it's almost like, are
the British writers of this show, are they like reading
some you know, conspiracy literature, Dave McGowan or something maybe?
And then did you ever see Under the Silver Lake
with Andrew Garfield?
Speaker 3: No, but someone else did just reference that on the
show not long ago, Donut. When we did our interview,
he brought that up and then I said I hadn't
seen it. And then a bunch of people commented, Oh,
you got to check it out, you got to see it.
Speaker 5: Apparently it's good.
Speaker 4: It's kind of it's kind of become a conspiracy classic
now because people have you know, we watched it when
it came out, Tristan Haggard and I and we did
a decoding of it, and my buddy Jim Bob and
I were going to re decode that. We're going to
revisit it next week and decoded again because it's one
of the films that you have to watch many, many times.
But speaking of Dave McGowan, there's a specific character in
the film that is kind of a a Dave McGowan
ish Laurel Canyon person who actually writes all the music.
So the main characters on this kind of quest and
he eventually meets this old guy who is responsible for
all the pop music, so he writes it all. It's
not any any of your favorite bands. It's all fake.
I mean, in the film, it's a little bit tongue
in cheek. It's kind of satirical. It's a little bit
funny too, but as I mean, it's got you know, elites, billionaires,
underground bunkers, cults, it's got it all, and it's it's
about predictive programming. So so yeah, there's a few few
films that reference it that are that are kind of
self aware in that way. But I think you're right
to point to some. Really it's really hard to explain
away examples if you were a skeptic like the Dean
Koontzwen or uh, you know Utopia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think you're a big Terrence McKenna.
But something he said that was interesting to me is
that if he had to boil down everything to one thing,
he would say, the universe runs on narrative. And so
to me, I'm like, why would you? That's a that's
an unexpected thing to say. And then I think to
you know, the stars acting out the gods and Greek arenas,
and like, what's really going on there? Are they channeling?
Did they think they were channeling? Did that become acting?
It's strange because yeah, COVID nine to eleven, the Titanic,
all these things were predicted in media.
Speaker 5: First.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the whole Trump Lower thing with
Ingersoll Lockwood that's been talked to death, but you know,
it just doesn't It is conspiratorial events that I think
is why it's so interesting, because you don't have mundane
storylines within film just manifesting out there. You know, dinosaurs
didn't pop on the scene because Jurassic Park came out.
You know, It's like it doesn't happen all the time.
It's only in these highly suspect stories, events where they
want to control the narrative.
Speaker 5: And then the narrative is in fiction. First.
Speaker 3: The most recent example is Charlie kirk I mean, you've
seen the snake eyes thing. I'm sure it's crazy that
the details go down to the name, the date, assassinated
in public, shot in the neck, A guy named Tyler
is the distraction, and then Tyler is the patsy for
the shooting. I mean, it's down to the name Charles
Kirkland shot in the neck.
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 3: It is crazy? Is that coincidence? I have a hard
time with that one being coincidence, especially when not fresh.
Speaker 5: In my mind.
Speaker 3: But the director and the writer. I think the writer
I had done an interview on this right when it happened,
and the guy was interviewing and was like, oh, that
guy wrote it. That guy's birthday is nine to eleven.
It's just it never ends. But I'm sure you've looked
at the snake eyes thing a little bit, but yeah.
Speaker 4: It's you know, I'm familiar with thesis. I didn't. I
already had three written and done pretty much before any
of that happened, so it was kind of too late
to you know, do anything. But what I can say
about that is that that's a Brian De Palmer film,
of course. And yeah, Brian de Palmer has quite a
bit of a of a pedigree of films that are
pretty explicit in what they deal with in terms of
mind control, conspiracy, deep state type stuff. You can go
back to Dressed to Kill, which was one of his
earlier famous hits with Michael Caine, and you kind of
have this idea of dissociation and trans stuff in kind
of a predictive way, way before any of that was
well known. That's like nineteen eighty, right, you have. He
did Carlito's Way, which I don't think it's like great
of a movie, but it shows that he's pretty obviously
familiar with like how the relationship between the police so
they have to and the mafia works, which ties into
the organized or into the secret society, sp and I's
world and occult stuff too, because there is an overlap
between organized crime and the occult. He did The Untouchables,
which I don't think is very good, but again I
think he's very familiar with organized crime carry that kind
of stuff. But there's a more specifically, he did Body Double,
which is about that's more of an occult esoteric film
dealing with how can I put this hardcore p R
O in stuff and what that does to individuals and
how they eventually kind of dissociate so the guy in
that dissociates from it. He did the original Mission Impossible,
which of course we said with Tom Cruise, and you
know that has a CIA type connection. He did another
film that I did include. The only reason I'm going
with this Brian de Palmer's Tough, is that I did
do a section of Brian to Palmer films in the
third book. So for example, The Fury, which is about
kind of a CIA Mond Talk type project, Stranger Things
type project where kids are recruited who have these potentialities
or psychic abilities and they're putting into this kind of secret,
you know, CIA type program. They're groomed for being government operatives.
Et cetera. Then there's some really weird stuff in that movie.
It was kind of his version of the Exorcist. So
he but he did carry too, which is another kind
of his attempt at the Exorcist. And then lastly, he
did a movie with John Lithgow that was pretty famous
back in the day called Raising Cain. And the amazing
thing about that one is that in the story, John
Lithgow plays a person with multiple personalities, and it's eventually
said that his dad worked for this secret government agency
and was intentionally splitting through trauma based mind control, the
son's you know, mind into having these controlled altars. So
that's a pretty good pedigree, I would say for to
Palma having a connection to a lot of these are
knowing quite a bit about these kinds of things.
Speaker 3: And I did look him up just to confirm, but yes,
it's him. I was talking about his birthday September eleventh,
nineteen forty. You know what else is interesting here.
Speaker 4: He did Black Dahlia too. I forgot the Black Dahlia
is the first ritual murder, and then I put that
in the first book, but I forgot he did that
as well.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you've ever heard the names
of his kids, but Piper to Palma, which is interesting
because Pied Piper mind control. That is like an old
fairy tale basically about mind control and children. And then
his other his other daughter's name is Lolita.
Speaker 4: Oh weird.
Speaker 5: Isn't that gross? You would name your daughter Loita child? Wow? Freak.
Speaker 3: So another recent one you covered in the book, one
that I did not watch is the Netflix movie Leave
the World Behind. I just heard so much about it
and had so much spoiled that I was like, I
basically saw it. But let me read from your book
where you say In the twenty twenty four Barack Obama
produced Netflix film Leave the World Behind, it takes place
in the same universe as Mister Robot, same director, where
the hackers who end up discovering various geopolitical plots collide
with a separate group of two families who must manage
to survive as a large scale hacking event takes down
the US Internet. Stranded in a large airbnb, these two
families battle racial tensions and yet unknown forms of warfare
that include sound and elf weapons, biowarfare that releases a
kind of chronic wasting disease as the deer infected, and
a battle over scarce medical resources. As society breaks down,
we see a giant oil tanker come to rest on
a beach, seemingly without a captain, Tesla's shutting down and
running haywire, and a large scale nuclear device detonated in
a very ominous and ambiguous scene. The airbnb owner claims
to work with high level defense contractors and that they
had some knowledge of this coming event. Really interesting. Obviously,
it's provocative that Obama would be a producer of this
kind of film. Interesting, you think we're going to see
this one manifest two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny said that. I remember watching that and
I was kind of it's not that good. So you
didn't really miss a whole lot, I mean. And really
the two films came out relatively close to each other.
They have a very similar theme. There was Civil War
by Alex Garland, yes, and then this Obama produced propaganda
film which basically has anybody who wants to have private
property and kind of, you know, self defense. There's a
Kevin Bacon character in the film who's like this prepper guy. Well,
of course he's the villain, right because he he doesn't
have a socialist attitude of giving everybody you know who
survived whatever they want. He has guns. Oh my gosh,
how Darry so Yeah, so self defense and all that
kind of stuff is demonized in the film, and that's
not surprising again if this isn't an Obama based film,
but just think about that. Right there, we have a
former president involved in the production of this propaganda movie
about the collapse the United States, and there's this we
don't know, you know, who's behind the collapse. It's this unknown,
amorphous enemy. And the other thing that really stands out
in the film that I think was fascinating was that
there's a dialogue between some of the characters when all
the attack, all this madness is going down, and one
of the guys, I think it's the black guy. He
at some level worked with defense contractors and with the government,
and they're asking him, they're like, do you know, like
who would have done this? Like is there a conspiracy
against America to do this? And his line is hilarious
because he says, listen, I've been in all the big
elite government meetings. Nobody's running anything, nobody's in charge. We
have this illusion that there's a elite or that the
government runs things. Nobody runs anything, it's all just chaos. Yeah,
so I thought that was like just the most ridiculous
propaganda is and nobody's running anything. There are no even
though right now how Davos is happening. All the world
elites are meeting at Davos right now, that doesn't exist.
There's nobody who's wealthy and powerful. Everything's just kind of
going haywire and we don't know. So it was kind
of absurd propaganda at many, many levels. But you did
have some weird things in there, like very anti Tesla.
I mean, I'm not like a huge Tesla person, but
I'm just saying like they were intentionally putting in stuff
the target to Elon Musk. Again find to criticize Elon
Musk whatever. But it was a very political film, That's
what I'm trying to say. Sure, well, maybe equally as
propagandist and negative was Civil War. And Alex Garland has
a history of making some actually some decent films, but
also some very very heavily propagandized film You know, if
you watch Civil War, it was the same type of
situation where America's collapsing from the sort of within and
it's because of this you know, presidential figure played by
Nick Offerman, who's kind of trumpish, and then you have
this idea that, well, we got to take him out
because he's going to ruin the country. We're going to
have to start a new country, a more woke, more
you know, socialist, qualitarian country, because if we let people
like you know, white men or whatever run things, it's
going to destroy the country. So Civil War was big
time propaganda as well. And it makes sense though when
you think about, Okay, he made twenty eight days later,
he made Ex Machina, he made Annihilation, and in Annihilation
with Nellie Portman, you basically have references to these sort
of Luciferian replacements that come and kind of take us
over and we get cloned, and this Luciferian aon is
kind of what pokes in from another dimension into our dimension.
That's how I read the book or the movie at least.
Then he did twenty eight years Later, which I covered,
which was totally Luciferian, one hundred percent Luciferian film, and
Needed Men, which was a very feminist anti man horror film.
Speaker 3: So Ex Machina to Ex Machina the machines are sexy.
Speaker 4: It was great. I thought that was his really good film,
A very good critique of AI of the Silicon Valley elites.
You know that there's a sort of a Zuckerberg kind
of character in there that's the villain. So so it's
not it's not all bad. I thought, you know, X
Mocking was good and I think, I mean, the films
are pretty good. Twenty eight Days Later is good, but
a lot of propaganda.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I wanted to bring this up about Leave
the World Behind because I saw this post right as
I was getting ready for this, and I'm just going
to share the screen because we can right there in
the opening poster for the movie, these are the actors
in the film, and their names are laid out to
spell ball Bail. You know, that's kind of interesting. And
then during the opening scene of the movie, a mug,
it's the opening scene for people listening, is on someone
in bed and they have night stands on either side,
and there's a mug on one night stand and two
clock and the mug has a giant six on it
and each clock is showing a six as well. The
one on the right is hidden. You can only see
the digital six the first number. The rest of the
alarm clock is hidden, so it's like very specifically six
six' six that is not an. Accident that's very. Interesting
so you got bail six sixty. Six and then this
one was everywhere where the two kids are wearing the,
Shirt obey And. Nasa it's just kind of. Goofy and
then this one is also. Interesting but this must be
seen in the movie where they're looking at some monitoring.
Equipment when you flip the scene upside, down what's written
on the screen is die six sixty. Six SO i
just these things are not exactly the same as writing
narratives that come. True but why do you think this
stuff is put in? Movies what does it do to
just say a six six?
Speaker 4: Six, well in these, examples and these could be example,
LEGITIMATE i don't know about the bail, one but the
other one seemed pretty. Interesting the mind does process those
types of things in a kind of an. Instant that's been,
studied and we do know that the mind is able
to process that, stuff even if it's not immediately in
the conscious, mind, Right so it kind of goes into
our storage or disdrive of our subconscious and so that
stuff can be stored, there even if we don't immediately
see it that. Way and the, director as we said
Of Mister, robot WHICH i, REMEMBER i watched that very
intently and paid a lot of attention to, that and
that is full of this kind of. Stuff so it's
not it's not out of the realm of, possibility given
the fact that the director Mister robot did put a
lot of that stuff in the series, intentionally and in
that's in that, story you Have Robbie malick playing this
sort of hacker guy who is. Dissociating he's on these
different drugs and he's part of the sort of international
plot where they're going to a bunch of hackers and
other people are trying to take down THE us and
there's these These chinese hackers and there's elements of. IT
i don't remember all the details to, it but the
point of being is that there is a lot of
attention to those types of details and weird symbology going
on In Mister. Robots SO i wouldn't be surprised that
that was put in there intentionally in this.
Speaker 5: Film very very.
Speaker 3: Crazy and some of these, directors they get their start
in advertising and advertising there was an old documentary about
subliminal messages and, advertising which was the first time THAT
i was woken up to those, messages like putting sex
in the ice cubes of A Coca. Cola that stuff's
always been. There so if they come from advertising and
get into, film, yeah you're already used to putting the
devil in the, details as they.
Speaker 4: Say that's an even more obvious. EXAMPLE i appreciate you
THINKING i didn't even think about, subliminals and in, FACT
i don't even THINK i mentioned subliminals in all three
of my, books which that mean and that is. There
it doesn't. Matter that's a form of a, semiotic you,
know meaning conveyance where it could be good or it
could be. Nefarious so you're absolutely. RIGHT i mean there was,
EXPERIMENTATION i think with subliminal type, stuff for example In The,
exorcist where they did in certain one of the, frames you,
know this sort of demonic image to see if it
was sort of helped HiPE up the fear when they
played the. Film and then the writer of that, script
The bladdy, figure was involved in psychological warfare for THE,
cia so it's actually this extis is actually A cia
script AND i included an essay in my book that
somebody had written about. That so, YEAH i mean you're
absolutely correct to point that. Out AND i don't think
THAT'S i, mean we can go you go full skitzo
with that kind of. Stuff, yeah every little thing in
the movie, is but it's not like. That but when
you have these kinds of six six sixes and that
kind of, STUFF i MEAN i think a lot of
that stuff is definitely intentional and probably speaking to our.
Speaker 3: Subconscious, yeah guys Like Alex fulton will go in and
and find the exact frames of films and be, like
this is frame six sixty, six and, oh look a
devil on. Screen he goes deep On, kubrick And kubrick
is the kind of guy who would have paid attention
to that meticulous. DETAIL i would assume if anyone, did
is probably, him as opposed to Like Michael bay or.
Speaker 5: Someone but another.
Speaker 3: Film you cover THAT i remember, liking BUT i THINK
i always get it confused With edge Of tomorrow is
oblivion With Tom, Cruise and you do mention a detail
there that was intentionally, seated a purposeful placement of a
biography of Wild Bill donovan on the shelf At Jack's country.
Hideout the placement is not, accidental As donovan is the master,
spy founder of THE, oss the predecessor of THE. Cia
one immediately begins to connect this to THE cia Slash
Air force drone, program which is projected to be run
BY ai computers in the near future and is actually Termed.
Skynet funny they would call it. That but, yes here's
another movie where a guy who's kind of on the
inside apparently has a biography of Wild Bill donovan on his.
Shelf that's a detail they obviously put there on. Purpose, Yeah, actually.
Speaker 4: The books in films and shows are usually pretty intentional now,
sometimes AND i always pay attention to the books that are.
There for, Example jamie AND i just did an analysis
Of National, treasure and we notice that When Nick cage
goes into the shop to buy the fake copy of
The declaration Of, independence if you remember when he's trying
to steal, it, Right, yeah there's a book that's right
by the counter that's very clearly visible in the. Shot
and it's the book ironically That jamie had just read
about The National monument and all the architecture OF dc being. Esoteric,
right it's not a conspiracy. Book it's like a mainline
scholarly architecture book and the history OF dc and that
it's you, know laid out in A masonic sort of rosicrucion,
way so that's actually, mainstream you know history conspiracy. Stuff
but the book is there in the movie AND i was,
like did you notice, That, jamie That Nick cage is
right there like about to Buy he doesn't buy, it
but he kind of looks at. It. Right it's like she's,
like that's not my, book And i'm, like, yes it.
Is so he had to freeze it AND i was, like,
yeah let's. See she's, like oh my, GOSH i can't
believe that is the BOOK i just. Read so you,
know that's obviously in the. SHOT i think on, purpose
because the whole theme of the of the movie is
the secret architecture OF dc and going to these different
places and decoding, it, Right so, YEAH i. Can In Rosemary's,
baby there's a very specific placement OF i think it's
A Sammy Davis junior, biography which is interesting Because Sammy
Davis junior, was you, know remember The church Of. Satan
the film is about A satanic, cult and then you
see in one of the shots very clearly, right you,
know in the. Shining it's Very it's very, subtle but
if you seem. In most people didn't notice, this But
wendy at the very beginning is reading all these books on,
witchcraft and you don't see that unless you pause the
frame and zoom. In right when when they're at the,
apartment when she's you, know taking care Of danny when
he's having the, dreams it shows the books that she's
reading and it's all occult witchcraft. Stuff, AGAIN i think that's.
Speaker 3: Intentional So Rosemary's, BABY i definitely have some questions for
you on BECAUSE i latched on to that section of
the book and every little detail because The Sharon Tate
Rosemary's baby thing is just so. Weird another example that
maybe reality. Manifested but before we get, THERE i just
wanted to ask you about this detail On oblivion where
THE ai space station in the film is Called tet
and you write about that as being. Significant tell people
why it would be significant for THE ai space station
to be CALLED.
Speaker 4: Tet, yeah there's two films that have this similar, Theme,
equilibrium WHICH i DON'T i don't put that. IN i
might have mentioned in, passing BUT i didn't put it
in the, book AND i always get to, ask how
come you haven't Done. Equilibrium that's a deep. Cut that's
a deep. CUT i love The.
Speaker 5: Equilibrium, YEAH i don't think it's a terrible.
Speaker 4: Movie my only problem With equilibrium is just simply that
it's basically every dystopian story in. One so they just
kind of copy and paste from you, Know Brave New
world in nineteen eighty four and The, matrix and they
put it all to.
Speaker 3: ONE i used to call it a poor man's, matrix
a low. Matrix it's not a terrible.
Speaker 4: Movie it's just kind of, like you, know other. Thing it's,
DERIVATIVE i guess you. Say but one thing About equilibrium
that relates to what you're asking about the tet is
that In equilibrium they explicitly refer to the control structure
and the symbol as the, tetragrammaton and so it's the
same thing going, ON i think In, oblivion where it's tet.
Tetragrammaton that's the first part of, it. Right it's Referencing exodus,
three Where god SAYS i am THAT i, am which
is a reference to the Name yahweh or the you
know air ash of, air which is the tetragrammaton the
name Of. God so this is really important because we
later AFTER i did a lot of those, analyses we
went through a bunch Of Tom cruise films And jamie
AND i did a Whole Tom cruise podcast where we
went through early stuff all the way up to you,
know all The Mission impossible, stuff The, mummy you, know
all these different, Films and What i've noticed is that
there is an absolutely consistent pattern of The gnostics storyline
Within Tom cruise. Films and it makes perfect sense because you,
Know Tom cruise is a very committed scientologist, obviously and
L Ron hubbard when he was crafting the scientology story
it was because he had gone through the ranks of THE,
oto so he, knew you, know the whole mythology of THE.
Oto many many years, AGO i printed out AN oto
reading list which they make all their members. READ i
haven't read every book on, it but it's a lot
of comparative, religion it's a lot Of gnostic. Texts so
basically my thesis is THAT i Think Tom, CRUISE i
don't know how serious he is about esoteric or cult,
stuff but he's definitely in films that have a pretty,
consistent you, know gnostic storyline and, pattern where It's tom
is the rebel angel or the one who's rebelling against
the ARCon Controller Creator, deity the bumbling Evil Creator, deity
And tom always plays the sort Of promethean figure who's
going to set us. Free that's exactly what happens In
edge Of, tomorrow and it's exactly what happens In. Oblivion
he's fighting against and freeing us from this you, know
evil Creator.
Speaker 3: God, yes AND i didn't go back and, listen BUT
i do recall that our last one kind of devolved
into like is gnosticism that? Bad Because i'm not. CONVINCED
i know you. Are AND i was thinking more about
that because it comes up in this book, too AND
i wonder if, well sometimes it seems like the books
you classify as, gnostic they seem to me like they,
are but they're also just Like Joseph Campbell's Hero's, journey
where a person in a mundane situation has a call
to action into going on an adventure into the underworld
led by some wise figure like A gandolf or A
dumbledore or an Obi, wan and they do battle with
The dragon and The. Abyss they emerge changed and kind
of returned to their mundane, condition but a new version of.
Themself and Obviously Joseph campbell's stuff has been talked about.
FOREVER i MEAN i was probably in high school WHEN
i learned about this and how this template really is
almost all. Movies Sometimes i'm, like you, know When jay's
talking about this being the seeding of gnosticism in this
film or, that it seems to me like maybe there's
an argument that it's just the hero's, Journey but is
the hero's journey itself? Gnostic is there something fishy About
Joseph campbell?
Speaker 4: Himself, YEAH i mean it's a, nuanced difficult question because you,
know it really depends on what the journey, is who he's,
fighting and what's. Happening so there are these archetypal patterns
and stories for. Sure more recently on my, channel we
did some deep dives Into Carl, young you, know, archetypes
the collective, UNCONSCIOUS i mean some of his actual, books
not other people's, assessments but reading into the. Text and
last YEAR i got pretty deep into a couple Of
Carl young books to see exactly what he, thought what he.
Taught and the Reason i'm Bringing Carl young up is
That Joseph campbell's really just pulling from Kral. Young it's
kind of watered down Kral. YOUNG i have another. BOOK
i have Two kimpbell. Books one of, them, though is
he's very much a, freemason. RIGHT i forget what degree
he got, to but in the big there's a big
coffee table book WHICH i read many years, ago which
is A Joseph campbell symbology, book and there's multiple chapters
where he talks openly about. Freemasonry so my assessment is
that he seems to be a. Freemason so with that
in mind and then thinking about how it's very derivative
from Kral, YOUNG i, thought, well need to go read Crawl.
Young what we find In Caral young is that he's also,
very very explicit that most of what he's talking about
is just regurgitated gnosticism And. Platonism so you're correct that
these patterns are. There they're definitely whether It's, virgil Z
A ned or you know, whatever The, odyssey et, cetera
there are these. Patterns but, again it really matters as
to what your worldview is in terms of what you're
fighting and who you're fighting. Against and in The gnostic
storyline usually it's something like you are your own, Savior
you're your own salvation through empowering yourself through knowledge or
technology or something like, that and that nosis that secret
knowledge is what saves. You and a lot of the secret,
SOCIETIES i think eight people with this kind of an
idea of secret, knowledge special. Knowledge oh you're going to
know the secret name Of. God you're going to have
this you, know superpower that you alone. Know and it
really just, PLAYS i, think on a lot of human
vanity and, pride and a lot of times what ends
up happening is that just to make it a little
more down to earth and, practical is like whether it's you,
Know Alster curley himself or whether It's Gerald gardner And
wicket which comes out Of, crollianism it's just really people
wanted to touch, butts like you know WHAT i, Mean
Like i'm not actually going to get any magical, powers
but The guru or the, majis you, know he's going
to get to go in my butt and have a
good time and and Somehow i'm going to get magic
out of. This SO i, mean at one, level it's
just people want to get. Laid but at another, level
there could be something demonic going on with some of these.
Activities AND i understand not every gnostic is into you,
know you, know weird sex or. Whatever i'm not trying
to say, that but, AGAIN i just think it really
depends on what the journey is and what you're what
what the quest, is BECAUSE i, mean you could, say,
Oh Alisa croley was on a hero's journey and you
know he, was you, know graping and pillaging and doing
what he was doing on his hero's. Quest you see
What i'm. Saying so you could say that as a hero's,
Quest but, like, okay but what's who's the hero and
what are you fighting? Against and if you're fighting against
the one that happens to be like the True, god
well then it's no longer a good, story.
Speaker 3: Fair, Enough And i'm just, curious are there, examples as
we're coming to to the end of the, line, here
are there examples of well executed recent. Films we can
even go back like a couple of, decades but recent
films that are well executed that actually contain messages that
you would, endorse not made by Mel.
Speaker 4: GIBSON i figured you were going to throw that caveat in,
there AS i donna. SAY i, MEAN i GUESS i
like some of The Mel gibson. Movies but, yeah let's.
SEE i, think you, know even even films THAT i
might disagree with or not necessarily be. HUGE i, mean
there's always some element probably THAT i could. Appreciate let's,
see we did we did a podcast recently where WE
i mean we Covered National, treasure AND i thought that was. Fun.
YEAH i, mean so there's a lot of films that
are that are you, know enjoyable for other. Reasons we
did a podcast On Gone girl And. EDEN i don't
know if you saw the Movie. EDEN i thought that
was actually pretty. Good. Yeah it has A Jude Law Sydney.
Sweeney it's kind of an allegory for civilization and the
problems that you encounter in civilization and you, know can
you escape? It can you set up a you, know
a utopian, community this kind of a, thing and, so you,
know if you Like lord of The flies or that
kind of a. Story eden was was a GOOD i,
MEAN i would say it's Fully, christian but it had
it had a good. Message i've actually gone back and
Rewatched Harry potter And i've kind of revised my initially
thought it was just, Stupid but there's actually a lot
more going on In Harry potter THAN i originally, thought
and it actually has a better message than THAN i.
Remember so maybe maybe.
Speaker 3: That see that just seems like hero's journeys to, Me
like what would take what would Make Harry? Potter what
separates it from the hero's journey, template because it's got
all the the check marks in my.
Speaker 4: Mid, well LIKE i, said, LIKE i mean, Again i'm
not against the hero's. Journey it's just a question of
like who is hero and what's he? Doing and how
does he you, know what what is the quest and
who's he? Fighting like that's the real, issue not just
whether there's a hero's journey or. Not LIKE i, mean
you could Say christianity is a hero's, journey, right because In,
Christianity christ descends to the, underworld Battles satan spiritually, speaking
and then resurrects and goes into you, know and ascends into.
Heaven So christianity is a kind of a hero's you
Know catabassis story as.
Speaker 3: Well, so but isn't part of your issue the fact
that the thing that empowers them to defeat the bad
guy is like sacred, knowledge which to, me like That's
Harry potter learning.
Speaker 4: Magic in the case Of Harry, potter it's a little
bit different because And i'm not just saying this because,
OH i have A christian, Worldview Like i've actually gone
back and review all The Harry potter series and there's
More christian themes and virtue themes THAT i THAN i previously.
Thought So And i'm not saying Because i've never been
A Harry potter.
Speaker 5: Fan yeah me. Either, Really i've Just.
Speaker 4: I've changed my mind reviewing, it and somebody challenged me
to do. It they, said, hey you should rewatch it
and think about think about it in the vein of SAY. C.
S lewis or you, Know Tolkien's lord of The. Rings
And i've always, thought, well she basically just rips off
a bunch of stuff From lord of The. Rings but
there was actually quite a bit More christian themes THAN i.
Thought that's a whole separate. Topic jamie AND i are
Gonna we're Gonna jami and are going to do a
podcast on, that SO i can address that maybe in more.
Detail BUT i.
Speaker 3: Just figured OUT i would ask maybe maybe. NOTHING i,
Mean hollywood is the whole point of your books in
this conversation Is hollywood is not producing, empowering Positive christian aligned.
Content that's not what they.
Speaker 4: Do, well it doesn't have to Be i'm not, Like
i'm not a, puritan, like it doesn't have to Be christian.
LINE i, mean LIKE i liked. Weapons weapons is a
a or.
Speaker 3: Attire NOW i did not see, weapons BUT i had
the story spoiled for, me and tell me if this is.
True but the movie basically at the end you find
out that Satanic jews are corrupting all the white kids
and all the suburban. Kids is it A satanic jew?
Speaker 4: THING i didn't detect Anything jewish about.
Speaker 3: IT i gotta talk to my buddy BECAUSE i took
him at his.
Speaker 4: WORD i, MEAN i, MEAN i WOULDN'T i wouldn't HAVE
i wouldn't have a problem admitting if.
Speaker 3: There she have a big? Nose does the witch have
a big? Nose maybe that's what he was getting at.
That maybe it was more, subtle but he was, LIKE
i think that's the, message is that Cabalistic jews are
corrupting the.
Speaker 4: YOUTH i, MEAN i just took her as a grandma
THAT i don't there weren't. THERE i don't recall there
Being jewish, features BUT i, MEAN i guess you could
read it that.
Speaker 3: Way maybe take a look at that one again, too
now and it'll make it Into east O Tera hollywood.
Three what'd You i'm throwing a couple in here just
at the end Of. Bogonia did you see?
Speaker 4: BAGONE i liked it quite a, bit.
Speaker 3: Oh man spoiler, Alert, GOSH i hate to spoil, movies
BUT i guess it's a flat earth.
Speaker 5: Film, NOW i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't YOU'RE i know you've said you're not
a Flat earth, guy but you're not not a Flat earth,
guy right?
Speaker 4: Are?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 5: Are Your earth shape?
Speaker 4: Agnostic so, YEAH i don't have Any i'm very skeptical
about mainline science type stuff in, general SO i don't
really have any committed positions on. It i'm not convinced
by the flat earth. Arguments i'm well aware of. Them
i've heard them for many. Years BUT i.
Speaker 3: Didn't Think bagonia would be a Flat earth film, THOUGH.
Speaker 4: I, MEAN i know that with the, model that's the
sequence that shows a little. MODEL i thought that was
kind of, fun but it's also, comedy, right it's a dark.
SATIRE i thought it was really. FUNNY i enjoyed quite
a bit all those. Parts there are some fascinating conspiracy
elements to. It we did do a podcast On, begonia
so yet again another film THAT i thought was. Entertaining but, yeah,
SO i, mean you, know there's a. Plenty there's plenty
of films that are still out, there you, know gems
in the rough that you can find that are that are, fun.
ENTERTAINING i Like Long legs quite a. Bit that was
a satanic film THAT i thought was really really well.
MADE i usually Like Nick cage, films.
Speaker 3: SO i tend to avoid the really dark. Stuff But
Zach kraiger is the guy who made, weapons and he
was From Whitest.
Speaker 5: Kids you.
Speaker 3: Know he Made Miss march With Trevor, moore whose DEATH
i still find very suspicious.
Speaker 4: Too and he Did, barbarian which was didn't have a
lot of, depth but it was a fun horror.
Speaker 3: Movie And Zach craiger has a New Resident evil movie
coming out this year that might be. Interesting that was
going to be kind of the last THING i was
going to ask, you is are there films in twenty
twenty six that you're looking forward, to either genuinely looking
forward to or just looking forward.
Speaker 4: To.
Speaker 3: Unpacking we got A spielberg, again A nolan A spielberg disclosure,
film and A nolan mythology. FILM i mean those Two
i'm going to. SEE i don't want know If i'm
super excited about.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah there's probably about ten MOVIES i noticed that look
like they have some, potential and for different reasons they
might not all be worth, analyzing but just you, know
for entertainment, value think what is there's a zombie movie
coming out THAT i think looks pretty pretty interesting in
a unique. Way we bury The dead is it looks
like zombies done in a more sophisticated, way not the standard.
STUFF i think maybe that movie With rachel McAdams where
she's stuck on an. Island that one looks like it
might be pretty pretty. Fun we Watched The rip With
Ben affleck And Matt, damon AND i thought it was pretty.
GOOD i have you, know they're not my, favorites but
that movie turned out pretty. Good you, know ready or.
Not that's an interesting satanic cult horror thriller that's kind
of a satire that might be that's the sequel to
the first one that will be coming. Out Silent, hill interestingly,
enough is full of cobbalistic ritual, magic WHICH i didn't
really realize that UNTIL i went and played the game
and got kind of down that rabbit hole of getting
into The Laura's Silent. Hill so there's a New hill
movie that might be worth. Analyzing. DAVID i Think David
fincher has a new a, cult, satanic a serial killer
movie coming out Called Psycho killer that might be worth. Analyzing, so,
yeah that's that's what comes to.
Speaker 5: MIND i don't even watch dark horror.
Speaker 3: Stuff i've never really liked horror games or horror movies that.
MUCH i tend, to you, know like everything. Else did
you analyze him The garland? Movie, yeah the football movie
where he gets initiated into.
Speaker 4: This oh, No i'm sorry This so there's. Two there's.
MEN i was thinking of. Men excuse, Me, Yes jamie
AND i did a podcast on him because that.
Speaker 5: SUCKS i hear it.
Speaker 4: Sucks, well it's not a good, movie but it is
all about like kind of satanic cult within sports, stuff
which IS i, Mean i'm not even aware of any
movies about, that SO.
Speaker 3: I, KNOW i thought it was really an interesting subject,
matter AND i thought the cinematography looked.
Speaker 4: Bad there is elements of that that are. Good it's
just the story ends up just kind of being. Corny that.
Speaker 3: SUCKS i, mean you did the hard. Part the hard
part is getting all the style. Right the easy part
is just have a decent story stick the landing.
Speaker 4: You would think you would.
Speaker 5: Think.
Speaker 3: Well pleasure as, always, MAN i really like reconnecting with
some of the RESEARCHERS i consider part of the old.
Guard it is now a very crowded, space but remind
people of the many irons you have in the.
Speaker 4: Fire, yeah you can follow my, work As greg said
at Jason alsis dot. Com that's all the past decade
of archives of, lectures, interviews, talks as well as all
the public. Material my channel on YouTube Is Jay. Dyer
you can follow me On, Twitter, instagram et cetera Under Jay.
Dyer you can find me writing for The Sam Hyde.
Show you can find me Fourth hour usually On fridays
of The Aue Jones. Show and then we had a
lot of live events coming up in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Six D i didn't know you were such a. REGULAR
i didn't know you had a regular slot on The
Alex Jones.
Speaker 5: Show that's.
Speaker 4: Interesting, yeah for about six. YEARS i mean it's not Every,
friday BUT i would say it's probably three out of
four per month.
Speaker 3: Usually, well congrats on. THAT i think that's a feather
in the. Cap but, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's been a great it's been a great. Time i've
gotten used to. It kind of working With alexis is
a lot of. Fun he's a, character SO i guess
you do it. REMOTELY i mean we've done a lot
of stuff in studio, too but usually. Remotely right.
Speaker 3: On, well either, way loved. It congrats on getting the trilogy.
Done you, know trilogies used to be enough For, hollywood
but now you've got to have a. Fourth SO i
guess we'll talk in another six. Years we'll, see all,
Right take care, Man Thanks. Greg the power Of christ compels,
you you.
Speaker 5: PEOPLE.
Speaker 3: MM i always love a pop culture analysis. Show they
are easy books for me to read Because i'm usually
already familiar with the. Material ALTHOUGH i was pretty surprised
with Thees Tera hollywood three that it wasn't more about
the films that have come out since the last. Book
it was mostly older, stuff which is. COOL i was
just a little surprised by, it AND i do Think
jay is great at unpacking the contents of a. Film
he does it in an academic. Way, yeah we have ideological,
differences But i'm very used to that at this.
Speaker 5: Point of. COURSE i knew that.
Speaker 3: Going, in AND i didn't plan to bring it up at,
all BUT i guess it can't help but come into
play when we get deep into the themes of certain
films and what they might want to, see and especially
in The plus, show it came. Up some of the
QUESTIONS i guess just seemed to return to, Orthodoxy but
it's all. Good in those, MOMENTS i try to express
THAT i don't Think i'm as combative AS i used to,
be And i'm SURE i sound like a broken record
to listeners leaning on the same, examples.
Speaker 5: Usually THE covid.
Speaker 3: Thing BUT i don't talk to any of these guests
outside of our actual. Interviews so that's just me trying
to explain myself or say we have more common ground
than you might think because outside of my unusual, Job
i've got two, kids a boy and a. Girl me
and my wife have pretty traditional dynamics and a nuclear.
Family we don't go to, church but outside of, that
six out of seven days a, WEEK i think on,
paper we're pretty much living like A christian family with
traditional conservative values would, live just focusing on the, kids
trying to put attention into making them good, people getting
high with every spare. MOMENT i, mean it's the same
life a, kid but these days it's more contrarian to
focus on the common.
Speaker 5: Ground SO i just try to do.
Speaker 3: That And jay is good at what he, does, though
AND i really don't see anyone else coming along to
make conspiratorial film analysis their.
Speaker 5: Thing he's got a damn good trilogy out.
Speaker 3: Now we Had Robert sullivan doing cinema symbolism as well
for a, while BUT i think there's room for a non,
religious non Free masonic independent perspective if someone out there
has the. Chops given how crowded The internet is while
also being, dead it feels like that lane has a
bit of room for a few more. CARS i would
Say Chris knowles obviously does, that and he does it,
well but he does so much more THAT i just
don't really consider it the. Same synchro mysticism tends to include,
film but it's just different for me for some. Reason
though he did just put out a GREAT X files,
book going about as deep on the themes there as anyone. Could,
Anyway i'm just big on shared history. Too i'm always
going to Appreciate jay just because of how small our
little counterculture was when we first. Started, now of course
he's doing An Alley, jones he's doing The Sam hide,
Stuff he's co hosting a show At Jay. Widner he's
a big shot pretty much doing us a favor, now, right.
Speaker 5: But good.
Speaker 3: Times i'm sure it makes for a LITTLE thhc nostalgia
for those who have been with us for a long.
Time and higher side. News, Well i've gotten myself into
a bit of a. Pickle World war three decided to
kick off right WHEN i have more shows recorded in
the can THAN i can, remember Because i'm going to
be out of town for two weeks In. March me
and the fam are going back To San diego to
get some much needed casual socialization with familiar faces in our.
Lives so AS i, DO i got paranoid and overbooked
myself and Now i'm sitting on too many, interviews and
there are two schools of thought as to HOW i
should handle. It some people would preload them and drip
feed them to, you schedule them for release to cover the.
Gap but the other school of thought is THAT i
should just hammer you with four five interviews right away
and rapid, succession and then maybe Maybe i'll save one
from WHEN i get back in CASE i come back not.
Optimized but you get it THAT i should just put
them out as fast AS i. Can AND i, think
because of the nature of this show being about current
events and, all that it is better not to hold
onto interviews any longer THAN i have. To two come
to mind in the ONES i have that are going
to have a lot more impact right now as opposed
to two or three weeks from. Now but you, know
bombs are, dropping iotola's are getting, whacked and the timeline
is not exactly moving, slowly SO i don't want them
to be. Outdated SO i Think i'm just gonna hit
you with three or four in the first ten days
and then let the big gap be what it. Is
you won't forget about, me, right BUT i think you
will see comments saying, like what happened To?
Speaker 5: Greg is he all?
Speaker 3: Right blah blah. Blah if you see that, stuff please
put it to. Rest clearly not everyone listens to the wrap,
ups but you, do so help me out. THERE i
don't need any unnecessary, drama you, know none of us.
Do but expect a quick flood and then a dry
second half of the. MONTH i know some people will
be very happy That i'm taking a break from solo
shows because this is going to be just a five interview,
month THOUGH i will say the majority seem to be
pretty okay with the solo. Stuff but let's talk about
it as we are in the review portion of these
here wrap ups in The weeds episode to The epstein
edition kind of massaging what that format was supposed to be.
About but The epstein files are so big and vast
THAT i thought it worked. Out, again these things bring
in more subs and. INTERVIEWS i can't. COMPLAIN i gotta do.
Them they are a ton more work than the. Interviews
and the biggest, criticism ironically THAT i see is that
a lot of people think it's just somebody rambling on
about their news, feed which isn't exactly. Wrong BUT i
am still putting a lot of thought and effort into curating,
it AS i do with the guests and AS i
do with pulling out the finer points of their work
THAT i try to bring into an. Interview it's just
a different type of, curation, really but you can't please.
EVERYONE i will try to tweak the process and make
it feel less like, that, Maybe BUT i clearly don't
have to do too much because we got ourselves a
four point. Eight baby really couldn't do much. Better the
plus people don't, lie and nine out of ten comments
seem to be basically ata, Boys SO i Guess i'm
a happy.
Speaker 5: GUY i can't.
Speaker 3: Complain as for the last interview we Did Peter, cowen
the forty nine ers, substation, STORY emf research, history sunlight's
importance and all that good quantum biology. STUFF i don't
love that, term by the, way but it is the
term they.
Speaker 5: Use it should just be.
Speaker 3: Light health or electric magnetic light health to cover THE
emf as well as sunlight and blue. Light but, whatever
this isn't mad. MEN i am not there branding, guy,
unfortunately but quantum biology it's a field, now and this
INTERVIEW i saw the rating jump all over the. Place
it was pretty low a couple of times THAT i,
looked but now it's a four point. Seven so AGAIN
i can't. Complain plus people seem to be very happy right.
Now epstein thing four point, Eight Peter collen four point,
Seven charles fort book report another four point. Eight that's
a good, streak and two out of three of those
are THINGS i did. Myself so what else is there to.
SAY i know everyone is getting spun up about The iran.
THING i totally get. IT i said in a comment
somewhere in response to someone, that, look there are unadvertised
tragedies every, day and then sometimes we have advertised. Ones and,
yes collateral damage in war is always a. Tragedy hitting
a fucking school where they now say they have one
hundred and sixty five dead kids and one hundred, injuries
it really is a level of evil and horrible that
is at The epstein.
Speaker 5: Level he facilitated the abuse of.
Speaker 3: KIDS i guess largely one at a, time as opposed
to dropping a bomb and hitting a school and ruining
triple digit. Lives BUT i do see it as almost the.
Same they're saying the school is adjacent to An islamic
revolutionary guard.
Speaker 5: BARRACKS i don't.
Speaker 3: Care you just can't make that kind of mistake and
you shouldn't be doing this. Shit anyway regime. Change we've
seen this movie, before no pun. Intended, now ALL i
can tell myself WHEN i see that is that maybe
this is some wag the dog shit to use another.
FILM i want to believe it didn't really. Happen i'm
not saying that it didn't, Happen but in war you
have to acknowledge that it's all about emotional manipulation with
the goal of turning a population against its leaders and
demanding it all, stop or making it seem like if
you want to present us as the, liberators it makes
it look like everybody loves it and there's cheering in the.
STREETS i don't know how much FAITH i can put
in any of that. Stuff it's all generated for a.
Reason so, again not saying that it didn't, HAPPEN i don't.
Know i'm just saying be aware that images that come
along with information are handpicked for their emotional, impact like
this one here of the bloody. Backpack now for the,
LISTENERS i am showing, it But i'm sure most people
have seen. It pink backpack looks, staged set on some,
rubble blood splattered all over, it and a LITTLE ai.
Art it seems to me of a girl praying on
her knees with the head covering on and all. THAT
i see the image and initially it gets. Me but
WHEN i really look at it AND i think about
the exact staged images used in the Film wag The
dog in this exact kind of. Scenario you, know it's
like they're going through doing castings in the film for
like the saddest cutest kitten for the kid in the
rubble to beholding and all. That it is a, Satire so,
yeah that takes it to a ridiculous. Degree but STILL
i look at that image doesn't sit right with. Me
it seems a little too, perfect little non, organic and
it's not really about any one specific. Thing just be
careful out there and preserve your. Energy it might get really,
wild or this might be some of the same Old
Middle east stuff that's almost always going. ON i, know
The aatola thing is. Different thirty years this is a long.
Time but, STILL i, mean to some, degree this is
always going. On but you're going to hear about five
thhc interviews in a, row all recorded before any of this,
Started so maybe that's a nice little safe haven for.
Speaker 5: You, sorry they should have consulted.
Speaker 3: Me they didn't REALIZE i had a trip, PLANNED i
guess before they dropped the. Bombs either, way thanks To
jay again much. Loved all you, listeners take care of
you and. Yours i've done my. Part your move Esoteric hollywood,
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