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already has. Thank you so much. I want to welcome

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everyone back to the Peginiano Show. Charlotta Magne's back. How

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you doing, Charlot Mane?

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Speaker 2: Excellent. I was actually just listening to your episode with

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Turnip Seed right before we started, so always very interesting

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to hear his trials and tribulations, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Right before we started, I was listening to him speak

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live with orin on YouTube. He was talking about the

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same subject. So yeah, just trying to get as much

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from learn as much from him, because you know, I

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see the same thing in churches all over the place.

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I've started seeing that kind of stuff twenty years ago,

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where you started seeing the infiltration of leftist ideology making

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a its way in and I mean I saw that.

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I noticed it in the Southern Baptist Convention. It's two

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thousand and one, two thousand and two, and you know,

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pretty much since Vatican, Vatican to the Catholic Church has

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been fighting with us. So you know, both of the

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both of the churches I went to on a pretty

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regular basis, are suffering the same kind of same kind

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of issues everyone else is. And I mean the Southern

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Baptist Convention has gone, you know, completely off the rails

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in a lot of ways. And Catholicism, well, all we

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can hope, I think at this point, all we can

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hope to do is find a home parish where the

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priest is is you know, older, old fashioned, and yeah,

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that's really about it. And I think that's what a

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lot of people are doing. As far as Protestants. Everyone's

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doing is like you find that one church and then

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you hope that the pastor. If you have a base pastor,

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you hope he doesn't retire and then incomes you know,

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pastor Jim, who you know has has a goatee and

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long hair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've been pretty lucky with this. I

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haven't interrogated this subject, but I just estimate that, you know,

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after about two years or so of attending Mass here,

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the word Ukraine and Israel has not been mentioned once

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by anyone. So I'm just going to assume that it's

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h He's pretty based.

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Speaker 1: Well, shockingly, there's two Catholic churches I go to here

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on a regular basis, And I mean we're in the South,

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We're in the Bible, you know, there's the Bible Belt.

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I do notice that a lot of the people who

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go to Catholic churches down here are transplants from from elsewhere,

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or people who may have found Catholicism in the military

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or something like that, if they are Southern, if they

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are from around here. But yeah, lucky too, not hearing it,

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not hearing that at all. And if I did, it

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would be it'd be sad because where I live, finding

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a Catholic church is like it's like going out and

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trying to find a trying to find a you know,

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bar of gold in the in one of the local

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streams or something like that. All right, let's talk. I

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asked you to come on and talk about ideology and

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something I've been thinking about lately, and I'll just I'll

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give you a short introduction of where my thought was.

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A simple way I'm thinking is that people on the

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people on the far right, and I'm not talking about

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far right like how you know, people we know. I'm

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talking about people who would consider themselves to be on

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the far right, but more normy, like you know, some

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of the MAGA people, some of the Mega people who

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were even you know, quoting Carl Schmidt now and putting

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out talking about Franco or things like that. They're set

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in their ways. The progressives all the way to the

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to the other side are set in their ways. So

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coming at them with an ideology that is counter to

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what they already believe it is probably a fool's Errand

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and then for the most part, I think the people

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in the middle who've checked out or who are they

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vote for, whoever they think is the coolest or something

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like that, that they're pretty much non ideological. So when

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if you want to be able to get one of

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the existing parties to at least listen to you, you're

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going to have to be pretty much lined up with

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their ideology, maybe slightly, you know, maybe slight difference, but

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if it's too far out of the realm of possibility,

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or if it's too far out of what they already believe,

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they're not going to listen to you. That's either side.

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people who are non ideological, they just think you're some

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kind of bookworm, you know, lunatic, and they kind of

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side on you. Am I seeing the American public, the

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American electorate, if you want to call it that properly, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think so people are either strictly ideology or strictly

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non ideological. I've been thinking about ideology a bit myself

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lately because it sort of relates to the subjects I've

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been researching and reading on for my speech that I'm

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giving in a two weeks or so at the Old

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Glory Club, where I'll be talking about political formulas primarily

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and also our Constitution in the United States, and I think, well,

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it's interesting researching the history of what we would now

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call classical liberalism, because this concept wouldn't really appear in

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people's thinking at the time when that type of thinking

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would have been prevalent. Like if you look at English

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common law, and if you look at things like the

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Declaration of Independence, which our friend Christopher sand Badch just

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wrote a little piece on Twitter, and if you look

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at our constitution, the way Anglo American law developed isn't

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really from an ideological basis so much as a normalative

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basis that described like basically the circumstances under which people

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were already accustomed to being ruled. And you know, documents

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like the Magna Carta, for example, aren't really ideological documents

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so much as codifications of the normative expectations of the

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English people, saying goes for our you know, Declaration and Constitution.

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On all these famous documents, they you know, the founders,

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you know, get get maligned by people on the right,

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especially as like these classical liberals, and of course Curtis

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Jarvin you know, sort of assaults them as these big

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liberals in the face of right wing absolute monarchy. But

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this sort of ideological type of thinking didn't really come

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around until mainly the nineteenth century, and it wasn't really

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something that motivated people back then. So it's a pretty

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new phenomenon, and I think we we often incorrectly project

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our modern ideological thinking onto people in the past, and

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that leads to many incorrect assumptions about what we should

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or shouldn't do based on the traditions of our ancestors.

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So I think ideological thinking is very polluted by this

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phenomenon in general, because it goes a long way to

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actually obscure our perspective of the past. Then again, people

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are ideological now, and we do have to grapple with

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that before I say more, what do you think of anything?

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Speaker 1: I just said there, No, it makes a lot of sense.

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You know, when you think about the Constitution. If you

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read the Constitution, it doesn't take very long. It's not

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a long document. It's when you get rid of the

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Bill of Rights, when you get down into the into

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how they're designing government. What can you say in there

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is classically liberal? What can you say in there is enlightened?

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Is enlightenment thinking? I don't know that there really is

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anything in there. I mean it leaves the door open

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for taxation. I mean you could it leaves the door

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open for one hundred percent taxation if need be so. Really,

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Constitution and have taken it apart, people who are honest

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and said, you know, it's very easily can lead to tyranny.

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It can be used for tyranny. Jarvin makes the argument

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that you know, you could basically use you could make

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yourself a dictator just using the Constitution. And I've read

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his argument at length and it makes it makes one

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hundred percent sense. So yeah, you know, this is one

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thing that when you start looking at dissonant thought, when

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you start looking at the counter Enlightenment thinkers, you start

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to understand that ideology or I will say constitutions carta. Yeah,

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these aren't things that were put in place to control

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a people. They're more looking at the constitution or the

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magnet carta or any kind of proto document before the

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American Constitution. You're looking at a people are putting down

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on paper a reflection of the values of the people

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that this paper is the polity that this paper is

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dealing with. And I don't think that that can be argued.

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I think it can definitely be argued that people say

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that the most totalitarian states are the ones that have

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the most laws. You have to keep adding laws and

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adding laws and adding laws. And if you have to

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keep adding laws, if you have to keep changing things,

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if you have to keep amending, then what the document

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was originally supposed to reflect is gone. It doesn't reflect

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the people that it's not a picture of the people

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that it's supposed to reflect in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned at the beginning there whether or not,

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something like that. You know, I have been reading Schmid's

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The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy lately, which I think is

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his best book, to be honest, I mean, one of

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the one of the great things about Schmidt is that

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he he spends a lot of time defining all these

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terms like liberalism and democracy in parliamentism and disambiguates them

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from one another. Too often, liberalism and democracy or treated

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as the same thing, and they're not. You know. He

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makes the point that democracy can serve basically in the end,

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it can be reactionary, or it can be liberal, it

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can be socialist, it can be really whatever you want.

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to the extent, people are ideologically democratic, and you can

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you can work that with a political formula that remains

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entirely different end than liberalism. Right if they're not strictly

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ideologically liberal, but they're more ideologically concerned about having a democracy,

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which is what you know, maybe you would say, like

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the American writer, conservatives or centrists are they're not necessarily liberals,

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liberalism and democracy together. So I think it's it's important

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to have a grasp on what these terms actually mean

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and whether or not, you know, the foundation of this

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country is fundamentally uh, liberal or not, and whether or

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not you can work the constitution if people care about that,

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which they do, uh to be more reactionary. This is

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something we have to address, you know, in terms of

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right wing ideology. Right people have gotten very ideological about

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republicanism and the Constitution, and there's this sort of reaction

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where it's like, Okay, we just need to throw out

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the Constitution, like that's our goal. That doesn't really make

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any sense because it's a very that's actually a very

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anti traditional perspective. If you look at, you know, the

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history of the English and American people, you're basically talking

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about throwing out the type of government system we've used

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to the last five hundred years, which is kind of

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a bizarre position for a right winger to take. It's also,

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you know, just entirely impractical. Like people, you know, Mosca

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talks about political formula, right. You know, Mosca himself, interestingly enough,

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regards if you read the ruling class representative governments as

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basically the best form that Europe could be under, at

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least when he was alive, which is quite interest right,

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because he's sort of this. You know, today people kind

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of throw around the idea of political formulas. It's like

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cynical conception and it's just something the elites used to governess.

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too a republican form of government anyway. You know, if

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people people really care about the constitution, right, and they do,

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you can you can sort of argue to people that

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the Constitution still longer, you know, like really enforce in

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the way it was when the country was created. Right,

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the constitution, right, Like you can't just appeal to it

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as as an argument at this point because you know

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your your opponents don't care anymore. That said, you know,

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taking that and trying to convince people that you know,

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we just need to throw out the constitution because it's

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because that's very much against American idiot logical sensibilities. So

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you're sort of like, uh, you're you're working against yourself

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when you try to do that. It's it's much better

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to try and argue, Okay, how can the we we

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actually we're not anti democracy. What we're against is we're

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we're illiberals. And what we want is, you know, a

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democratic society in which the people who are enfranchised with

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the right to vote and the people who are citizens

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maybe those aren't even the same thing, are a limited

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set of people. And this is classically democratic by by

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any conception, and it can be completely reactionary. So you

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don't have to you know, lump all these ideas together,

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and you don't have to like insist that we need

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some sort of you know, based monarchy or something like that,

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which just a ridiculous idea to to you know, pitch

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to Americans. Right, that doesn't make any sense. No one's

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going to accept that, and you, you know, you're you

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basically try to impose your sort of boutique ideology on people.

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normal Americans with life like some idea of of of

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you know, Catholic monarchy or whatever kind of monarchy you

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have in mind, or even fascism like this just doesn't

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appeal to people. So you need to figure out how

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to how to work the existing you know, political formula,

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degenerated as it is, in your favor, using the concepts

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people expect, right, Americans just expect that we're going to

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be governed by some sort of republican system that's federalized

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among many states. Uh, There're just there's no world in

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which you're going to like convince people that actually we

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need like a king or an emperor or something that

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I kind of view that as a ridiculous and kind

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of productive. So what do you think.

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing I wanted to bring up is, and

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I agree with you, people, people are going to revolt

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if you if they've bought into the civic religion and

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you try to take the civic religion away from them.

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It's just basically the same thing as trying to take

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people's religion away from them. They're going to revolt, no

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matter how much you may that much you may not

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like it. What I wanted to say was from reading

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Sam Francis and his reviewing of James Burnham. He says

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he's of the opinion Francis that what Burnham is saying

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is that ideology is for the masses, that those in

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power don't really have an ideology other than power. These

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these in the box ideologies like republicanism, progressivism, you know,

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and some of these are you know, who knows. Republicanism

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you can you can nail down a little more. Progressivism

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is whatever works at the time just seems to be

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like a power kind of ideology. Or libertarianism, which is

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something like this completely in the box. You know, there's

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libertarians who are like, we cannot allow anything in this box,

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or we're not pure libertarians anymore, that these are basically

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goods that are sold to the masses to keep them

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arguing amongst themselves, or it's something that is sold by

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elites to get them to come on their side. And

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you know, people vote for the you know, the conservative,

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and you know they never get a conservative. They get

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you know, most conservatives famously, I forget who said this.

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They they run for office like libertarians and then they

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they govern like democrats. So is ideology even real when

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it comes down to it, or is it just something

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that is sold to the public to make them feel

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like they're a part of all of this and that

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they have a team and that there are people out

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here who are on your side and they're politicians, people

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at power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Burnham's probably a little too cynical the

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way he views ideology. But yeah, I mean mostly and

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everything I just described like the way you you sort

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of sell yourself to the masses, Like the the ideology

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or in its distilled form, the political formula isn't isn't

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the rules you follow? Right, That's just how you sell

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you being in power or your faction being in power

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to people. But you don't have to be bound to

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that in terms of how you actually govern, like you

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can basically you could set up sort of a sort

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of a you know, you could set up a sort

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of a pseudo Christian nationalist like oligarchy behind the mantle

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of you know, democratic republicanism with federal government, you know,

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and everything I just described. Like those things, we don't

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have to bind ourselves to strictly following some set of

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rules in terms of you know, how we would theoretically

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actually govern, you know, assuming any faction like that's sympathetic

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to us actually comes to power. I mean, I think elites, certainly,

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some elites have ideologies that that drive them. I mean

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I think if you look at someone like Thomas Jefferson,

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for example, to go back to the Founders, you know,

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he clearly uh you know, he was president of the

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United States for example, Like we can't we certainly can't

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deny that he was among the ruling elite, and he

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was certainly much more ideological than you know, his his nemesis,

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for example, Alexander Hamilton, who I think was much more Machiavelli,

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and that that's necessarily bad. I think Hamilton's kind of

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based actually uh, but that's kind of getting off the

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subject like the the the elites. Uh, some of them

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are more ideological than others.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Ideology in general is kind of a poisonous word. I

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mean it, like you said, people treat it like a religion.

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I think it's for for for us. I think it's

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more important for us to be true as true to

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our you know, religious faith as much as possible, and

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assuming any of us were anywhere near power, we would

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have to be in the difficult situation of making whatever

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compromising is with that where we're necessary, because that's the

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reality of politics, right, And I think a lot of

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people on the on the sort of online right don't

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get that either. Is, you can't ever govern in this

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sort of idealized way. There's always going to be deep

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compromises you have to make, and ultimately, for better or worse,

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you do kind of have to end up being more

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concerned with just maintaining your power than anything else, you know,

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because people people react strongly and can be provoked to

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react strongly by other opposing factions if their you know,

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material interests aren't met or you know, as we see,

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if they're deep seated ideo ideological beliefs are violated, you know,

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be it a sacred democracy right now or you know

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something something Bootler, you know, that sort of thing. So

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I guess to answer your question, I mean, I don't

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take the view strictly speak. I don't take this this

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deeply cynical view that that elites just don't believe really

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anything other than power. I think there's there's some there,

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you know. I don't like to view elites just as

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this singular group either as some people do. There there

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are some people who are more ideological, you know. I

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think we can see that someone like Elon Musk certainly

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has certain ideological convictions. I think he's less committed to

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free speech than he claims to be right, but he

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certainly has some real conviction there in regards to freedom

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of speech. And that's sort of like this sort of

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libertarian thing he has. I don't think I think it

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would be kind of weird to deny that, you know,

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Musk himself doesn't have some sort of like genuine ideological belief,

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although his actions clearly, you know, demonstrate certain compromises specifically

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around you know, the subject of you know, Jews in Israel,

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in order to to maintain his power. Anyway, what do

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you think.

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Speaker 1: I think Musk is at the point now where he's

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just I think he has goals that he hasn't shared

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with anyone, which is good. I mean, he doesn't have to,

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and he's basically doing whatever he needs to do right

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now to achieve those goals. And I'm not saying that

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those goals are benevolent or whatever. They're his goals, and

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they may include large sections of mankind that's neither here

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nor there. I mean there's right now he has. I mean,

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he has enough power to make you know, thirteen members

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of media matters get be fired and watch them crying

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on Twitter, which is you know. I mean, the schadenfreud

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is terrible, but you know you got to love it.

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I guess what I'm thinking is in our country, if

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we were to actually have order again, if we were

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to actually have a country again. Is you mentioned religion?

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So you know, one should be ideological about what they believe,

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One should be ideological about how they how they treat family,

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how they treat ken, how they treat people who are

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like minded and share their values. Do you think the

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constitution or the people at large and the people of

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the country would be okay with I mean to me,

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if you have an If you have a group that

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shares an ideology, the main goal of power should be

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to protect that ideology and make sure that it goes

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forward and make sure it's not subverted. That's what you use.

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As much power as you need for that. Economics, all

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that kind of stuff that's you know, that's in the background,

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that's not as important as having a cohesive unit, a

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cohesive group of people that are not being subverted from

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the outside or within. So if you know, in my opinion,

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and people who share values, the state is to has

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one goal, and that's to protect them and to make

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sure that those value they can practice those values, and

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that those values aren't under attack. Those values stay in

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you know, stay in place. Is that a realistic goal

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for this country? For not even national but state or

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I mean, I think it could work out locally, but

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state or national? Does that even seem like it's remotely

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remotely what people who are constituted, you know, love the

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Constitution would agree to.

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Speaker 2: Probably not in a direct way.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the reasons we are no longer

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governed by the Constitution as a political formula right now.

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It's sort of our current formula ties back to that ultimately,

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but we just say, now our political formulas more just

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like mass democracy and liberalism. Uh, if you want to

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actually protect your ideology, then well, I mean you have

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to make sure the people themselves have to be fit

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for it, right, Like, one of the problems we have

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on the right is that the people for the most part,

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including many of us, really are no longer even fit

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to be governed in the ways we sort of harken

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back to, like we're not actually fit to maintain that.

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So if you if you want to actually implement some

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sort of you know, right wing ideology, I guess what

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the state should be doing to the extent that you,

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as a right wing or have any influence over it

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at all. Local whatever is is a putting in policies

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that make the people more fit for the type of

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the type of people you want them to be, maybe

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the type of people they were or their ancestors were

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in the past. I guess you could use the word

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the German word the mention material, right, And I don't

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mean that in like the strictly biological sense, Like we

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don't actually have the mention material at this point in

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America to really be governed by anything other than that

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liberal democracy. So really the first goal, starting from yourself

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at family outward, is to actually even make people fit

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to be governed by a different political formula that's not

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liberal democracy, before even really trying to convince them, because

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there's no there's no way to have that be implemented

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and accepted and stable if the people aren't fit to

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be governed by it, because they're not going to maintain it,

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because you know, ultimately, as we say, the masses do

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have to accept the political formula that they're under to

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view their their government as legitimate at all. And you

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can't really sell a highly reactionary mode of government to

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people who simply aren't fit for it. So, yes, I

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think it is. It is a reasonable goal to you know,

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have whatever level of government is possible to try and

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protect an ideology, if you want to put it that way.

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But I would say that the better way to phrase

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that is your goal should be to have your government

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improve the you know, physical spiritual health of the people

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so that they are better fit to be governed more appropriately,

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rather than try and I guess force it down people's throats,

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because then you're just going to get expelled because people

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won't put up with you, so you kind of have

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to go about it in this I guess you could.

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You might call it like a long march, because it

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takes a long time to get in shape, right if

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you're if you want to boil this down to the

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idea of like exercising yourself, it takes a long time

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to like make yourself physically fit. Same thing for you know,

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spiritual and mental fitness for uh a more Christian or

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traditional political formula. Uh, the people are going to have

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to be uh massaged and worked into that over a

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very long period because you know, just everyone's a liberal

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now is really what it comes down to. So it's

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it's never going to be realistic, I think for for

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us to have some sort of hugely reactionary government in power,

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00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,000
like get at a federal level, because it's just going

478
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:49,839
to take far too long for changes to propagate that far.

479
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,599
So I don't know, what do you think.

480
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: I would love for, you know, for us to yeah,

481
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,920
have the goal of everybody becoming you know, like a

482
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,359
like an Rinch younger type anarch But the I don't

483
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:11,599
even know if that's how possible. Is that when you

484
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,440
look at you know, the last hundred years. Technology just

485
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:23,599
seems to have beaten toughness out of people. You know,

486
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,039
the toughest people you're going to find in this country

487
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,200
are really the people are working, still working on farms,

488
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,799
still working manual labor, still breaking rocks, still digging with

489
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,039
their hands. I think we've talked about Zinsky before, you know,

490
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,319
in Jocola Lowell as well. I mean, I just don't

491
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:49,559
know what it would take to be able to get

492
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,680
You'd have to get basically every you know, the patriarch

493
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,279
of every family or most families, and the community leaders.

494
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,640
It would have to start at the most well, I

495
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,160
think it would have to start at the most local

496
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920
level and work its way out for that to become

497
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,240
a thing. Yeah, and the you know, sure, the government

498
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:13,559
talking up, talking up programs of you know, physical fitness

499
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:17,200
and working with your doing things like that. Being able

500
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,400
to basically take care of yourself and take care of

501
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,680
the people around you. I'm yeah, I think you're right.

502
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,640
I just don't know how much of an insurmountable task

503
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,079
that is at this point.

504
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way I would approach this is basically, you

505
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:42,480
need to turn your children into Superman pretty much like

506
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,799
that's that's kind of the way. I mean, I think,

507
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,240
let's be honest, if you're like listening to podcasts on

508
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,319
the internet, you know, frankly, most people now are just

509
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,400
total pussies compared to literally anyone who's ever lived in

510
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240
the past, right, Like that's just kind of our fallen state,

511
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:04,960
Like we suck. But when you have blank templates like children,

512
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,799
if you are able, and it might cost a lot

513
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:11,319
of money, if you're able to give them more classical education,

514
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,559
if you're able to make them, you know, far more

515
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:19,119
intelligent that they're peers simply by you know, homeschooling them

516
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:23,000
at an accelerated rate and things like that, and teaching them,

517
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160
you know, the types of skills and abilities that people

518
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,839
just don't have anymore. You know, there's there's the possibility

519
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,920
that through their their sheer uh standing in a future

520
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,759
community and habit, they will be able to you know,

521
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
natural they'll they'll be natural elites.

522
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Right.

523
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: I think that there's there's potential in our various communities

524
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,240
to sort of, you know, create natural elites by by

525
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,559
training our own children appropriately and hopefully having large families

526
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,839
all all you know, developed as such so that they

527
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,000
can you know, support one another and you don't have

528
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:06,279
these single points of failure. I think that's that's the

529
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,680
only possibility. I think, like trying to convince other people

530
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,319
to become patriarchs and other people to do this is

531
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,880
just not going to happen. You know. Maybe through example

532
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,839
in the future you can you can sort of, you know,

533
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,839
help people understand how to do this. But I think we,

534
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,160
I think we really want to like try and almost

535
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,359
recreate on purpose that, you know, the type of person

536
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,720
that hasn't really been seen in the English speaking world

537
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,960
in at least over one hundred years, right, you know,

538
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
and I mean like you know, teaching your kids Latin,

539
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:41,640
teaching them how to play music, teaching them scripture, teaching

540
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:45,200
manual labor labor skills. You know, there's really no reason

541
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,440
why they shouldn't understand fairly advanced mathematics, you know, as

542
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,359
a teenager, as opposed to you know, waiting to you

543
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,599
in your twenties like we do now. You know, this

544
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,960
sort of thing, if if you're able to actually develop

545
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:04,200
an individual like that, who is who has a mental, spiritual,

546
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,720
physical capacity that's just way beyond all their peers, you know,

547
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,159
twenty thirty years from now, you know, these could be

548
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,079
the type of person. You know, maybe if things go

549
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,559
like more the way mister you know, Charles Heywood sees

550
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,119
them going. You know, these are the kind of people

551
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:22,000
who can who can re establish order. It's not going

552
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,480
to happen because like you know, our faction or something

553
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,159
like somehow gets powered the government. I think it's going

554
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,159
to have to be far more bottom up in order

555
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,880
for any sort of order to be imposed on any level.

556
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:36,280
So what do you think of that?

557
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,519
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to name something, right, It's like, well, what

558
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,639
do you you know? Somebody asked me the other day

559
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,599
what I do for a living? I still people ask

560
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,840
me that. I just I'm a podcasters. You want to

561
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,360
name something? So what would that be? What would that

562
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960
look like? What would the if you were to call

563
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,239
that an ideology, if you were to give it a name,

564
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,159
if you were to get of it. It doesn't even

565
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,039
have to have a name. Maybe what is the spirit

566
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:04,360
of it?

567
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: Natural aristocracy?

568
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: Natural aristocracy?

569
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:13,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, or artificial aristocracy is maybe a better term, because

570
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:17,519
that's basically what I'm recommended is is you know, try

571
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,679
and manufacture aristocrats, which I think actually is eminently doable.

572
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,039
You know a lot of there are a lot of

573
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,480
like Aristo LARPers, right, I mean, most of us can't

574
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,960
be aristocrats by constitution. I have a lot of books though,

575
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,599
on how to be, on how aristocrats were trained, at

576
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,760
what they were like. You know, I'm confident that maybe,

577
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,920
you know, maybe I can't be an aristocrat, but maybe

578
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,320
I'm good enough to produce someone in the future, you know,

579
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,559
at offspring who could be like that. If I applied myself,

580
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,239
I think it would be extremely difficult, but it wouldn't

581
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,719
be impossible, right, I could never ever turn myself into

582
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,320
an aristocrat. It can't happen. And I mean, like in

583
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,599
Evla's conception here, right, not like having some stupid title

584
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,000
or something. Maybe I could produce a child that could

585
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,679
be like that, and if not, at the very least,

586
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,239
perhaps you know, my grandchildren could could be aristocratic. Right.

587
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,800
That's that's kind of the time horizon I'm looking at.

588
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,360
So yeah, I would just call it natural aristocracy or

589
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,079
just aristocracies is what I'm recommending. And it's you know,

590
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,320
it basically require like your entire life dedicated to the project.

591
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,000
If you're you know, if you're able to become like

592
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,679
a family man, right, But that that is what that's

593
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,400
to be clear, this isn't just something I'm coming up with, Like,

594
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,840
this is what I basically what I intend to do

595
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,239
with my life. That's partly why I moved to Montana,

596
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,239
why I have a homestead Like this is, this is

597
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,760
my life plan basically for the next fifty years that

598
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,239
I'm trying to figure out, you know, how to actualize.

599
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440
So I have every intention of attempting to do this. Obviously,

600
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,760
you know I can't. I can't tell you how it's

601
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,760
going to work out because you know, I'm only just

602
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,119
started basically, but that is what I intend to do

603
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,679
along the lines of, you know, what we're trying to achieve.

604
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for bringing up the fact that you, you know,

605
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,760
you had moved to Montana because that's where I wanted

606
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,119
to go. Next is you know, I've been telling people

607
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,960
since twenty twenty to get out of cities. That's what

608
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480
I did. I was I didn't live directly in Atlanta,

609
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,920
but I was adjacent enough to be you know, pretty

610
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,639
much all my neighbors lived worked in Atlanta. But you know,

611
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,599
and I catch crap for that because it's like, oh,

612
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,440
you talk about how culture is important, but then you know,

613
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,800
if your whole family's in a city and everything. I

614
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,880
get that, Believe me, Believe me. It's a struggle. And

615
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,800
you know something I struggle with. I struggle with my

616
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,679
thoughts and my ideas all the time. People. It's you know,

617
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,800
it's it's something that we constantly have to be tweaking

618
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,760
and thinking about. But how honestly can you see building

619
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,239
these natural aristocrats? Can you see doing that in a

620
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,440
city setting, in a suburban setting. I mean, I'm just

621
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,440
I'm trying to picture how that works in my mind considering, Yeah,

622
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,280
there's just too much.

623
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,559
Speaker 2: Frankly, no, there's too much pollution, like ideological pollution. It's

624
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,800
it would not be possible, you know, you would have

625
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,519
to they would have to be sufficiently isolated from the

626
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:26,719
modern world in their formative years, or else the entire

627
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,119
project would come to naught. Right, So, like, you know,

628
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,960
don't give them iPads and unlimited internet access and all

629
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,639
this garbage. No, no modern films, you know that sort

630
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:41,079
of thing. Uh, you know, a similar you know, frankly,

631
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,119
very similar to the type of childhood people used to have.

632
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,039
Even probably some people who potentially could even listen to

633
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,480
this podcast, you know, they and you're never You're never

634
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,639
going to achieve that if you're you're in a city,

635
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,039
you're just you're not going to be able to protect

636
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:58,320
your family from these things if you're you know, basically

637
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,719
in the very den of it. This is very contrary

638
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,519
to you know, the type of frankly garbage people like

639
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,039
Yarvard will put out in the terms of like, you

640
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:11,199
know what they kind of view as an aristocrat, which

641
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,239
you know, are just these like degenerate liberal elites, right,

642
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,119
that's that's no aristocrat. I totally reject this view. It's

643
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,960
impossible to have a person. You know, you can produce

644
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:26,400
power in cities, but power and aristocracy are not the

645
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,320
same thing, right, And you know, some people conflate these two,

646
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,079
but they're not the same. And I don't. I do

647
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,159
not think the suburbs or the cities are are the

648
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,559
places we can ever hope to to produce such people.

649
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:42,840
And by the way, I mean, this isn't just like

650
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:51,039
a purely ideological, h you know, thing to like pursue

651
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,840
in terms of raising a family, like I think it's

652
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,280
the most moral way to raise children like this at

653
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,159
this point is to is to protect them from the

654
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,239
modern world as much as possible, even if you're not

655
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,480
trying to, you know, embark on this sort of strange

656
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,039
project that I'm proposing here. It's just like, why, why

657
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,280
the hell would you want to expose children to the

658
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,440
way the world is right now? I would just it

659
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,000
just seemed like evil to me, right.

660
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: But Charlie, didn't you know that like Italian neighborhoods, you know,

661
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,559
if somebody was messing around, if some black eye came

662
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,760
in there, they used to beat the crap out of

663
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,440
them and kick them out. All we have to do

664
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,000
is bring that back and we can get the cities back.

665
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,639
As literally told this on a Twitter space, I was,

666
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,480
I was on that we have to take back the cities,

667
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,840
and I'm like, I don't. I'm not even one hundred

668
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,679
percent sure that human beings are designed to be in cities.

669
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,599
Well maybe one group, one group of people is designed

670
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:54,079
to be cosmopolitan. Maybe they've evolved into that, but I mean,

671
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,320
I'm one hundred percent convinced. You know, it's I've lived

672
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,639
in two big cities. I grew up in New York City,

673
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,880
I grew up and I spent a lot of time

674
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,519
in Atlanta. Over a decade in Atlanta, been around a

675
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,119
lot of black people, a lot of violent black people.

676
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,639
You go out to the country where I live and

677
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,280
you meet a black person, and usually they're the nicest

678
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,119
person they you know, is yes, ma'am, yes, sir everything.

679
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,599
I think one of the one of the biggest problems

680
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,239
they have is they're in the cities. And I think

681
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,519
it's another problem we have. Anyone who's ever been to

682
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,440
New York City and walked through New York City and

683
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,039
maybe went in the subway, smile at somebody, smile at

684
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,960
a New Yorker and see what reaction you get. People

685
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,960
go there and they become completely dehumanized. It's dehumanizing. You

686
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,840
can't do. We are not designed to be in cities,

687
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:46,599
and I will fight people over that.

688
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, as you know Thomas seven and seven has

689
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,679
pointed out on this podcast, I think is is that,

690
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,800
you know, cities are kind of antiquated in America, where

691
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,280
you know, they were originally sort of these mass worker

692
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,880
barracks like Detroit for example, and that mode of economic

693
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,719
organization doesn't exist anymore. Others will argue, I've seen them

694
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,679
argue that, like, well, you have to be in cities

695
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,960
because that's where the power is, which I already mentioned

696
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,079
I'm not even disputing that. But to me, it's like,

697
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:16,880
do you want power or do you or do you

698
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,639
want aristocracy? You can't really have both at the same

699
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:21,960
time the way the world is currently organized. You know,

700
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,119
I'm in the middle of the nowhere. You know, you're

701
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,559
pretty remote now too, plenty of people are you simply

702
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,000
don't need to be in a city anymore to get

703
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,159
things done. And to be honest, America is developed enough

704
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,079
at this point where if you do need to go

705
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,800
to a city, it's like two hours drive away at most.

706
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,559
I don't even think there's anywhere in the entire country

707
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,960
you could live that would put you more than three

708
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,639
hours drive from the nearest city of one hundred thousand

709
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,119
or more people. So, you know, it doesn't the whole

710
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,480
idea that like you're going to be living like the

711
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,719
Amish or something. It doesn't make any sense. Like, look,

712
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,199
you have a car and things are developed enough in

713
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,079
this country to where you can go to the city

714
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:58,840
if you want. You don't have to live there now.

715
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,159
Of course, granted, you know, if you live in the city,

716
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,280
you're going to develop these connections. But like I said,

717
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,679
you can have power or you can have you know,

718
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,360
what I'm recommending. You can't have both. The city there's

719
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,840
simply it's too degenerate and we don't need to be there.

720
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,639
There's literally no. You don't take over a city by

721
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,199
like living in it or something, because we're you know,

722
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,320
we don't have the numbers for that. There's I don't understand,

723
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,239
like how we're going to take back the cities. Just

724
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,880
let them rot. We don't need them. A lot of

725
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,840
American cities don't even have some grand historical value or

726
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,360
something like that, you know, like a place like Paris

727
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,679
or Rome, right, And I mean, you know, especially on

728
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,960
the West Coast, it's not like there's some deep, centuries

729
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,960
long tradition of you know, European men living in these places,

730
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,599
like you know, someplace like San Francisco, La. Like it's

731
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,400
sad what's happened to these places? But you know, to

732
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,480
hell with them. We don't we don't need this. We

733
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:53,119
can we can do our own thing without it.

734
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,599
Speaker 1: I don't get it. It's I get it if like

735
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,039
your family has been there for ever and you have

736
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:03,360
family there and you don't want to leave your family.

737
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,239
Believe me, I get all that. But I mean, if

738
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,079
your goal is to you know, live a live a

739
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:16,440
life where you're you it's harder for somebody to reach

740
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,320
out and touch you, or you know, you just want

741
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,880
to build something that is classic, is something that is

742
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,719
more historical. I think, you know, Thomas talks about living historically.

743
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,440
I think it's a lot easier to live historically, you know,

744
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,239
on on an acre of land, in a in a

745
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,519
little house where you can actually grow food and maybe

746
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,199
even have some chickens. Then it is in an apartment

747
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,239
that you're renting, you know, in some some neighborhood where

748
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,000
you know, if you if the power goes out for

749
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,360
a week, you're screwed, or if Hurricane Sandy comes through

750
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,559
your your food supply is completely cut off. It just

751
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:03,719
I'm not getting the arguments for for that, other than

752
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,840
from people who live in the city and just don't

753
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,039
want to leave, don't think that they could get along

754
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:14,800
and are you know, just you know, basically accepted cosmopolitanism.

755
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,199
You know, Thomas says he's a city guy, he doesn't

756
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,199
want to leave you never you never hear him complain

757
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,119
about the city though, Yeah, exactly. These are people, yeah,

758
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,119
these are people you know who are like man, you know,

759
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:26,800
it's like we got to take this, but you're not

760
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,159
taking it back. You're not taking it back. The best

761
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,199
thing we could do, if we had, if we had power,

762
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,960
was to wall it off and let people, let them

763
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,519
meet each other.

764
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you, if you are a city person,

765
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,519
Like I'm not saying everyone has to move out of

766
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:41,320
the city, right. If you, if you thrive in the

767
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,039
city and that's where you want to be, you know,

768
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,119
that's totally fine, you know, wherever you want. But the

769
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,679
idea that like we need to take back the cities,

770
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:50,519
It's like, I'm not taking back cities, dude. I'm going

771
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,519
to do I'm going to live where I'm comfortable and

772
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,800
where I could feel like and live my life in

773
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,960
like the appropriate way. Right. So if you, if you're

774
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
a city person, you know, fair enough, and you know

775
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,360
I also had to deal with you know, it's hard

776
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,679
to move. It's not good, right, I mean really, you know,

777
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:13,079
my family, you know, sailed on a boat from France

778
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,960
in about sixteen fifty, right, My family's been in New Orleans,

779
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,840
Louisiana since sixteen fifty roughly, and I had to move

780
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,280
and that was a hard choice to make. Most of

781
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,760
my family had moved away already, so it was a

782
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,440
lot easier. I still had to leave a lot of

783
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,920
friends behind, which made it difficult. So it's a difficult choice,

784
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,599
and it's you know, it sucks to make the choice,

785
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,880
but you know it's it is a choice that's available.

786
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,400
And if you're in a position where you can make

787
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,880
that choice, you know, I wouldn't discount it. You don't,

788
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,760
you don't like lose, You don't somehow become irrelevant by

789
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,119
being in rural America, like we have starlink and things

790
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:58,639
like that. Now that this weird, you know again, right

791
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:04,079
wingers to have a hard time keeping up I guess

792
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,800
with the modern world. And it's gotten to the point

793
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,760
where we've actually progressed past the need to even organize

794
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,840
ourselves in this classical conception of a city at this point,

795
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,079
like you do not you don't need to be in

796
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:23,880
these places necessarily in order to achieve your goals, or

797
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,039
at least not all of us do.

798
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:30,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you want to be there, I mean,

799
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,960
have at it. I mean, can you could you imagine

800
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:38,719
like trying to, like getting a hundred of your friends

801
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,440
to move into like a neighborhood in New York City

802
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,400
and it's like, Okay, we're going to change the politics

803
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,760
in New York City. What what I mean? What what

804
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,360
are you? What are you talking about? How can become

805
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,840
the weather underground? You can start blowing stuff up? I mean,

806
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:04,800
you can't do. It's impossible. It's it's completely captured. I

807
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:06,840
just don't get it. You know, if you want to

808
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,079
live there, don't you know, don't complain about it, And

809
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,679
I won't you And I'm not going to judge you

810
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,599
if you want, if you want to live there, but

811
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,440
you know, don't judge me when I'm telling people get

812
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,239
the hell out of cities because it's best, you know,

813
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,880
it's what's best for you. I I talk to people

814
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,800
all the time and people contact me all the time

815
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,039
who live in cities, and you for if it, you know,

816
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,480
maybe it's their spouse or something like that. They can't

817
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,119
be their job there, this, that and everything is like,

818
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,559
I mean, I get it. Just don't complain about it.

819
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,719
You know. If you're going to complain about it, at

820
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,280
least have a plan to get out. It took me

821
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,679
a good huh like four or five years of planning

822
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,880
to get where to get where I am, and some

823
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,320
stops and starts, you know, some some some starts where

824
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,519
I was like, all right, I'm out, I'm back in.

825
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Oh crap, all right, But I mean my life is

826
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,079
better for it now. And you know, people can say,

827
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,840
well what do you you know, what are you doing

828
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,159
to change where you live? Part of the thing is,

829
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,199
I don't really have to change anything here. This is

830
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,159
pretty comfortable. This is I mean, you know, if you

831
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,039
live someplace where you you know, where the politics is insane,

832
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,679
the taxes are insane. You know you're constantly coming under

833
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,639
attack for your under attack for your beliefs. There are

834
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:32,400
places you can go that are already you will be happy,

835
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:37,400
you will be ten you'll be ten times more aligned

836
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,159
with the people around you, and you'll be like, huh,

837
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:44,400
I don't know, maybe we should be planning to planning ahead,

838
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,480
because you know, something could happen. You know, ten buses

839
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,400
full of Haitians could show up and drop you know,

840
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,760
drop off, drop them off in the center of town

841
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,280
or something like that. But there are places you can

842
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,599
go right now where you you really won't have a

843
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,159
complaint in the world unless you're you know, a complete

844
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,400
you know, you're you're just so everything has to be

845
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,119
so perfect, and you're you know, you're just going to

846
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:13,440
purity test everything around you. I mean you can't. You're

847
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,599
never gonna have perfect, so give that up.

848
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely really hard to move as well. And

849
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,599
if if you're, if you're also if you're concerned about

850
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,920
your your future security, Uh well, if that's if you know,

851
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,880
you have all these rank order concerns, right, you have

852
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,599
proximity to family and grandparents and friends, and then you

853
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:34,639
have security. I mean you have to figure out what

854
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,920
is your concern. If you're I would tell you flat

855
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,480
out if you're if your top concern is your security,

856
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,920
absolutely get the hell out of the cities. I mean,

857
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,199
these are just dangerous places for any number of reasons.

858
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,559
At this point. You know they're they're not safe to

859
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,519
live in at all. So if that's if that's your concern,

860
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,280
get out of there. I mean, you know, I do

861
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,119
like monthly cost code runs. Right, if I logged off

862
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,920
the Internet, there could literally be and I'm not even exaggerating,

863
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,039
there could be a global nuclear apocalypse and I would

864
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,400
not know about it for a month. Right, if I

865
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,760
just logged off the Internet and had my like monthly,

866
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,239
if I had just completed like my monthly you know

867
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,039
food run. I wouldn't even notice if there was a

868
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,360
global nuclear war that wiped out ninety percent of the

869
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,639
human population, wouldn't even notice. Right, So that's what you

870
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:23,360
can achieve, you know it only you know, I don't know,

871
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,760
took you four or so years. You can achieve that

872
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,679
sort of thing if you really want to. It's totally doable.

873
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:32,079
It's a it's a big commitment, but you know, you

874
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:33,840
have to kind of figure out what your priorities are.

875
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,000
But yeah, I think this, this whole idea of again

876
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:40,400
taking taking back the cities is just a silly idea.

877
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:42,880
You know, if you have to figure out what what

878
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,679
are what are your primary concerns? You know, what, what

879
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,639
does the future look like in this place and this

880
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,679
in the city just flat out it doesn't look good

881
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:52,840
in any city anywhere, I don't care what city are

882
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,000
in the future is only down right, And maybe maybe

883
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,800
you're the kind of person that, like you, you just

884
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,599
have to be in the city, right, I mean I think,

885
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,239
like you know, I mentioned Sandbatch earlier, he just loves

886
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,719
New Orleans, right, If that's where you have to live,

887
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,800
no matter like how bad it gets, and you still

888
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,519
love it, you know, fair enough, right, It's it's this

889
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,039
is sort of a this this question is on an

890
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:20,119
individual by individual basis and just sort of turning in

891
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,519
into like this movement wide question of like do we

892
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,159
need to be in the cities or not. It's just

893
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:25,760
totally the wrong way to think about it.

894
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you ask what's most important, and

895
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,239
you mentioned safety, and really, I think at this point,

896
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:42,039
if you are somebody who thinks big, who thinks historically,

897
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,519
who thinks for the future, you know you you do

898
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,280
you understand that you know you're planting trees that you'll

899
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,119
never enjoy the shade of I mean survival. Survival is

900
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:59,599
your number one and I mean twenty twenty, we don't

901
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:03,719
know that twenty twenty Kenosha isn't just the you know,

902
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,920
that was just a that was just practice for something

903
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,960
to come into future. Because I think people look at

904
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,760
that and they think, oh, that can never happen again. No,

905
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,039
I are you kidding me? Are you kidding me that

906
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:24,079
cities couldn't burn again? That they wouldn't especially now where

907
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:28,119
you or certain groups do not get arrested and the

908
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,119
only people who do get in trouble are the people

909
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:35,360
who protect themselves against these groups. Survival first and foremost

910
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,719
of you. If it's just you, your wife, if it's

911
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,119
just two of you, your family, if it's all of you,

912
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,760
that should be the most important thing. And to think

913
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,320
that like survival is something that if survival is number

914
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,480
one to you and you're in a city, that exit

915
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:57,400
plan should have been you should have been formulating that

916
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:58,400
a long time ago.

917
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's still plenty of time to I mean,

918
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,639
one of the things people I don't know, one of

919
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:09,159
the things I see too is like Thomas shits on

920
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,400
this all the time, which is this whole like prepper thing.

921
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,559
It's like, if you're if you're like one of these

922
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:15,400
preppers and you're living in a city, like this is

923
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,480
just retarded. You're you're not. There's no like prepping your

924
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:21,719
way out of it. So sort of get rid of

925
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,480
that fantasy out of your head, right, Like, if you're

926
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:25,280
going to live in a city, you need to accept

927
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:27,000
what the future is going to look like, and you

928
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,199
need to have associates or like a way of carrying

929
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:33,880
yourself and you know, moving your family around that's going

930
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,360
to work for you. But this whole idea of like

931
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,119
preping or whatever. That's that's just some sort of like weird,

932
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:43,199
delusional fantasy.

933
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you you can have if you live

934
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,599
in the country, you can have storehouses of food, you

935
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:52,840
can be growing food. Sure, sure they can drone you.

936
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:56,760
It isn't do you find that as amusing as I do.

937
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,159
That Like people who when people who live in cities

938
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:03,760
are close to cities, when you talk about you know,

939
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,039
why don't you move out further and you know, start

940
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,920
a garden, maybe grow some food, get some chickens, you know,

941
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,239
maybe store some stuff up, do some canning stuff like that,

942
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,440
they like become obsessed with being droned.

943
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, who's going to drone me? Like what

944
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,079
possible situation are we going to be in? Where Like

945
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,079
that's a thing. I guess people are imagining some sort

946
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,440
of a civil war. But it's like if there's a

947
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,599
civil war, it's like, yeah, if you're fighting at it,

948
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,760
you're gonna get hit by drones like we see in

949
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,159
the Ukraine. But if I'm just like at home farming,

950
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,360
it's like with the US government's gonna like randomly just

951
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,159
randomly bomb people who are like farming in the woods,

952
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,599
who are noncombatant It's like that doesn't even make any sense.

953
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,840
It's just it's this weird, highly personalized point of view,

954
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,960
like the government's after me specifically, and they're gonna like

955
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,480
send sense send like air force units at me specifically

956
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,679
to like take me out. That's just never gonna happen.

957
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,079
That's something like bizarre fantasy from watching too many movies

958
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:03,000
or something. So yeah, you have to you have to

959
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,400
get all that stuff out of your head. I mean,

960
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,159
I don't the whole collapse scenario either, you know, I

961
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,199
don't really see the whole civil war thing. I don't

962
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:14,280
really see you know, that might even be less painful

963
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,760
to live through the sort of you know, long long

964
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,039
struggle we have to go through, you know, be it

965
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,440
material or spiritual, Like it's going to be a tough

966
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,280
century for whoever's you know, living to the the twenty

967
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,960
one hundred's, but it's not going to be like I

968
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,199
don't you know, I don't think there's gonna be like

969
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,000
hunter killer drones from the government like trying to hunt

970
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:41,159
you down in the woods or something like what scenario

971
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,320
would that happen? And it doesn't make any sense. Just

972
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,599
they don't care about you enough, like they don't care

973
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,880
about you enough to even bother with that, you know.

974
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll just bring up Brandy Weaver, a waco of

975
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,360
stuff like that. And it's like, look if I mean,

976
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,199
if you think you're that special, okay, I mean you're

977
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,360
you think you're a special boy, and you know that

978
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,159
they're gonna they're gonna come for you. Sure it's happened

979
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:10,519
in the past, but it's the exception, not the rule. Yep.

980
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,639
I mean the reason we talk about that is because

981
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:20,159
it's so it happens so rarely that something like that happens. Yeah,

982
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:23,440
sure there are swat raids, things like that, YadA YadA.

983
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,800
You know where there aren't swat raids At where I live,

984
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,920
there's no swat raids out here. It's like if basically

985
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,599
the police out here, if they think if the police

986
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:40,440
out here like got a call like a to swat,

987
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:43,800
like someone was trying to swat you or something like that,

988
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,760
they're gonna they'll call you first. They'll call you. I

989
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,639
live in a town where the where I tell them

990
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,360
that I'm waiting for something in the post office and

991
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,239
people and people in the post office call me, hey,

992
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:00,760
it came in. Yeah, you're not going to get that

993
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,039
in a city. You're not going to get that in

994
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:06,559
a suburb. Okay, I mean it's just I don't know

995
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:10,239
how people just you know, people want to live, people

996
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,800
want to talk about high trust, want to live in

997
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,960
high trust society. A lot of them already exist. Go

998
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,800
find one, that's my message. I mean, go find one.

999
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,800
They're here, Yeah, definitely.

1000
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,159
Speaker 2: I mean where I live, people won't even like lock

1001
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,480
their doors necessarily, you know I do, so don't try

1002
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,920
anything because you're you'll get blown away. But uh, you

1003
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,880
know that's the kind of place it is, right, It's

1004
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,440
like there's there's zero chance of anyone doing crime to

1005
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,880
other community members. It simply won't happen.

1006
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let's uh let's wrap this up.

1007
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,360
What do you got to uh plug? Well, I mean,

1008
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,000
I guess we should definitely be plugging the event. What

1009
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:53,800
do we have like four or five rooms left for

1010
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:54,239
the event?

1011
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually do only have four rooms left, which

1012
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:01,760
can accommodate up to eight people, you know, depending on

1013
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,000
whether people buy the same clor double tickets. So you know,

1014
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,239
it's by the time you even hear the podcast, they

1015
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,639
could have all been purchased. Everybody, So if you still

1016
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:12,159
want to come to the conference, you know, you can

1017
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,559
check it out the old Gloryclub dot com slash tickets

1018
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,519
and you have your list of speakers there, notably you know,

1019
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,920
Jeff dist and R and McIntyre and John Doyle, uh,

1020
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,719
as well as numerous other people. Uh, you know, we're

1021
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:27,760
gonna have a blast there, so definitely, uh, you know,

1022
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,639
come to that. For me, I've just got you know,

1023
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:34,159
my substack is mainly where I produce stuff right now,

1024
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,480
which is Charlemagne dot substack dot com or Neo Reactor

1025
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,199
as I call it. Right now, I'm actually doing some

1026
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:45,639
deep research on the Suez crisis. I have like seven

1027
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,400
books or something like that on on Suez that I'm

1028
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:53,159
uh interrogating, and I'm going to publish my next book

1029
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:56,119
review on several of those, and I don't know, maybe

1030
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:58,440
two weeks or more because I'm a little slow on

1031
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,960
them with the uh you know, with everything going on

1032
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:03,639
and also with preparing for my speech right but that'll

1033
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:05,599
be coming out and that's that's a little different from

1034
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,320
from what I've been doing. But yeah, that's my plugs.

1035
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,039
Speaker 1: All right, Charlie. Thank you. Until the next time.

1036
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:11,719
Speaker 2: M