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<v Speaker 1>We're totally booked in rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'll leave you. You're reading little hands this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to rock and roll band roll up, I

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<v Speaker 1>Totally booked. Welcome back to Booked on Rock, the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>way to support the podcast. Aaron SAMs is the author

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<v Speaker 1>of the brand new book YouTube Song by song. Over

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<v Speaker 1>forty years since their formation, YouTube is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest bands in rock history, with an estimated one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy five million records sold worldwide. They've earned more

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<v Speaker 1>Grammy Awards than any other band, with twenty two. This

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<v Speaker 1>book guide's the reader through the band's fifteen studio albums,

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<v Speaker 1>eight of them number one, and over seventy singles, including

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<v Speaker 1>several hits along the way, and there are many of

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<v Speaker 1>the eighty four singles released. YouTube has two number ones,

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<v Speaker 1>four top tens and ten Top forty singles. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ground to cover with Aaron. Was a great discussion YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite bands. I was looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>this one. We cover YouTube's music from the beginning right

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<v Speaker 1>up through their most recent release, Atomic City. I put

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<v Speaker 1>together a playlist of you two, which you could find

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<v Speaker 1>on the show notes page. The book is You Two,

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<v Speaker 1>song by song. The author is Aaron Sam's Aaron. Nice

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<v Speaker 1>to meet you. What's up? Nice to me?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm looking forward to talking to YouTube, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my all time favorite bands. So this I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to so much. By the way, is it

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron or do I know you go by aj on

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<v Speaker 1>social media?

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<v Speaker 2>Either one works cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool? All right, So you can't pick a better person

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<v Speaker 1>to write this book. I don't think you've been a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of the band for over forty years now? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that true?

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<v Speaker 2>Its forty years last year? Okay picked up under a

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<v Speaker 2>blood red sky back in nineteen eighty three and haven't

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<v Speaker 2>looked back ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>You've traveled the world to see them live in Tokyo, Istanbul.

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<v Speaker 1>This is according to the website that you created. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe YouTube Songs dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I've been all over from one end of

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<v Speaker 2>the world to the other, nothing to pick out a

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<v Speaker 2>spot on their tour and go do some tourism while

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<v Speaker 2>I'm there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you keep notes, and you have kept notes on

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<v Speaker 1>those shows or on YouTube's discography since what nineteen eighty nine?

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<v Speaker 2>I've been keeping notes on the discography specifically since about

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight eighty nine. They're all stashed in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of a book about Rattling Home Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that that's what led to the website Youtubo Songs

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<v Speaker 1>dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Back in about ninety five final class project for

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<v Speaker 2>a little computer class. We had to pick a topic

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<v Speaker 2>and create a web page. And the props that'd pick

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<v Speaker 2>a topic you really enjoy. So YouTube floated to the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the list, and I took my discography notes

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been working on for years and turned it

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<v Speaker 2>into a little website.

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<v Speaker 1>When did that site launch? What year?

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen ninety five?

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety five, okay, five.

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<v Speaker 2>Years before you two had their own website.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's right around the time when Pop came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when Pop came out, I did a little PopMart

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<v Speaker 2>site for most of that tour. Following this tour city

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<v Speaker 2>by city and tracking, the setlists and so on, so

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<v Speaker 2>a little different that year, but went back to the

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<v Speaker 2>discography and the collecting site shortly thereafter.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you Become a fan?

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of mine was down at his place and

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<v Speaker 2>his older sister had under a blood red sky playing

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard forty at the end of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I actually heard the crowd singing along to it. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first live piece of music I can remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Here how long to sing this song exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a bit of a music fan at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been buying cassettes at that time other artists, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first live recording, and I was well

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<v Speaker 2>when I heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw them once and only once in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one All that you Can't Leave behind tour,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's one of the best shows I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the best show that you've ever seen? How

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<v Speaker 1>many we'll start with that. How many you two shows

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<v Speaker 1>have you been to?

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen somewheres around one hundred shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, so I guess it's kind of hard. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there one or two that you that you think about

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<v Speaker 1>when you'd think best, best of the best shows. I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them. I can't not mention because of the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw them at the Apollo Theater in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>That is gonna have to be at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the list. I saw them filming the video for the

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<v Speaker 2>Blackout in Amsterdam, so again small club. There was maybe

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty people there. So those sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>night are hard to match. Some of the bigger shows

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<v Speaker 2>are just as amazing, though. Seeing them at Croke Park

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<v Speaker 2>in Dublin at home, Oh wow, eighty five thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>standing behind you, it's just goosebumps. Aaron Sunday, Bloody Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>in that atmosphere, it's just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you gone to the recent shows at the Sphere?

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<v Speaker 2>I have. I saw six shows at the Sphere, three

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<v Speaker 2>in October and three in February.

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<v Speaker 1>So how are you feeling about that? Because Larry Mullen Junr.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a Larry Mullen fan. I go and I

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<v Speaker 2>watched Larry from the start of a show to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of a show. I drum along with him. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my jam when I'm at a show. I really thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna mind the Las Vegas thing because he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't there. They had somebody in there that was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't the same on drums, but he did the job,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did it well, and he was fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>He was great with the crowd, he was great with

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<v Speaker 2>the fans. He went out of their way to say

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<v Speaker 2>thank you to us every time he spoke. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was really good that way. So I got over it

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the only time, the only other time

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube played without all the original members was maybe one

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<v Speaker 1>show where Adam Clayton had had some issues with alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was He didn't show that mid nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a few shows early on the Edge missed

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<v Speaker 2>a couple. Larry missed a couple, but that was back

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, okay, before anybody even knew them, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Adam had the issue in Sydney. They were filming

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<v Speaker 2>those shows in ninety three, and they did a show

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<v Speaker 2>in Times Square without Bono, Bruce Springsteen and Chris Martin

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<v Speaker 2>from Coldplay and Carrie Underwood. I think it was filled

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<v Speaker 2>in on vocals.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I got to have you talk to my older

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<v Speaker 1>brother because he got a chance to see YouTube around

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eighty one. It's whenever they played They played a

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<v Speaker 1>university here in Connecticut, New Haven, Connecticut, small little.

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<v Speaker 2>Venue, Toad's Place.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't Toads. It was a college. It was I

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<v Speaker 1>could we could look it up. He I just remember

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<v Speaker 1>him telling me that he saw the band. They went

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<v Speaker 1>out back behind the venue and he saw them getting

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<v Speaker 1>in getting into their wasn't even like a limo. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like a van or whatever at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they were they were just just starting.

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<v Speaker 2>So you said you've seen them once with Hartford.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Hartford. Yeah, Harford Civic Center two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 2>That is probably one of my favorite shows that really. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one that was attached to them, all right, yep, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great time that night. They were on

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<v Speaker 2>fire back for that round of shows. They were getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to tape the show in Boston a few nights later.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd done Albany, Hartford and then the four in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible shows.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were at that show too, Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the Boston show. I remember they turned that into a

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<v Speaker 1>radio special and then well TV and radio special and.

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<v Speaker 2>They released it on home video as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, that was a great tour, great tour. So

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm speaking to one two expert that is for

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know you're you two. So yeah, this had

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<v Speaker 1>to have been a fun book to work on. All

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<v Speaker 1>the songs, the whole discography.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bit daunting to fit all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Into one book, I would think, so.

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<v Speaker 2>For the book is part of the series Fontell has

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<v Speaker 2>the song by song series, so they go out each

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<v Speaker 2>book is about a different artist. I went out and

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<v Speaker 2>did a little research and pulled down a couple of books.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I had looked at Madonna and Abba. There

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<v Speaker 2>was one other that I had looked at, and my

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<v Speaker 2>first thought was, how am I going to fit you

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<v Speaker 2>Two's catalog into something this size? So it was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen studio albums.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, fifteen albums, a lot of singles that I want

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<v Speaker 2>to fit in there, B sides, a lot love ground

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<v Speaker 2>to cover in their forty year career.

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<v Speaker 1>Great job, And what I did was I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of pluck out a few a song or

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<v Speaker 1>two from each of these albums as we go throughout

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<v Speaker 1>and get your thoughts on those. What's in the book

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because there's some great, some great information behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes of how the songs were made or what

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<v Speaker 1>they're about. So I always find that stuff fascinating. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll start with that debut album, which is Boy Has

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<v Speaker 1>released October twentieth, nineteen eighty in Europe March third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one in the US, produced by Steve Lilly White

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<v Speaker 1>who produced the first three albums, and that cover image.

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<v Speaker 1>That boy on the cover is Peter Rowan, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a neighbor of Bono's and the little brother of Bono's

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<v Speaker 1>good friend is a Guji pronounce Gujie googie googie. Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the opening track I Will Follow and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>they still perform live to this day, didn't chut in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, but charted in Ireland at sixty nine, Australia

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<v Speaker 1>at seventy one, New Zealand at thirty four. Who is

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<v Speaker 1>this song about? I Will Follow?

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<v Speaker 2>Bono has revealed more recently that he believes the song

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<v Speaker 2>was written for his mother. His mother had passed when

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<v Speaker 2>he was in his teens, and in the last five

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<v Speaker 2>years or so, Bono's revealed that it's kind of fry

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<v Speaker 2>to his mother beyond the grave, saying I want to

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<v Speaker 2>follow you to wherever you are.

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<v Speaker 1>And didn't he say it was initially a song he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote as a suicide note.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, so the suicide note was original, his original

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<v Speaker 2>take on it all. Then he started talking about his

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<v Speaker 2>mother beyond the grave, so it's kind of him as

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<v Speaker 2>a young boy wanting to follow his mother to the grave.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I hadn't listened to this album until I

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands, And there's not a bad song on this album.

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<v Speaker 1>And the one two combination of nkot Dub into You,

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<v Speaker 1>what is nkot dub about. It's Gaelic for the black Cat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Gallic for the black Cat, and it's a song

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<v Speaker 2>that Bono wrote when he was separated from Ali and

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<v Speaker 2>he he's claimed it's about temptation and relationships, and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>They are together still today.

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<v Speaker 2>And they got back together after that song came along,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, do you have a favorite from this album.

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<v Speaker 2>fifth birthday and can't go wrong with that. Bono wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cool. His eighteenth birthday may have seventy eight. Yep, wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at here is as one of the songs

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<v Speaker 2>They had a brief contract with CBS Records in Ireland,

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<v Speaker 2>over the long weekend in August seventy nine they recorded that.

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<v Speaker 2>So probably are about this point in time.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of controls about waking up on your eighteenth birthday

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<v Speaker 1>and realizing that you're eighteen years old and the two

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<v Speaker 1>most important decisions in your life have nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with you being born and dying. That's a quote from Bono. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think of his book? By the way, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoyed his book. I think I enjoyed the book tour

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<v Speaker 2>he got into some of the aids in Africa and

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<v Speaker 2>that side as much. I wanted a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>So, Yeah, and that's something that he's faced. He admitted

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<v Speaker 1>prefer that he'd get too politically involved, but that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that he has a passion for. Yeah, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a divisive topic, I guess. So to me, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter if the songs are great, I'll go I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>see the concerts. But you know, some people they just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind the politics. They've certainly brought it up

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, and a lot of the songs have

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<v Speaker 2>meetings with Secretary of the State and prime ministers and

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, October released October twelfth, nineteen eighty one, and during

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<v Speaker 1>the tour in the US, Bono had lost his briefcase

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<v Speaker 1>holding all his notes and ideas for the new album.

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<v Speaker 1>Caused him to start again developing songs in rehearsal, and

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<v Speaker 1>this album includes the singles Fire and Gloria, both top

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<v Speaker 1>ten and Island. Glory is misleading, right, It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>Gloria is glory to God. First real hint of them

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<v Speaker 2>bringing the religion into the picture was with the October album.

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<v Speaker 2>It's there a little bit on Boy, but October they

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<v Speaker 2>He brought some Latin lyrics to try and hide it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit in Gloria, but it is It is

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<v Speaker 2>more a love song to God than anything else. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, three of the members of You Two had

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<v Speaker 2>It was an interesting time. I think the band almost

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<v Speaker 2>broke up over some of the religion aspects. The Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Bono and the Edge were getting more and more religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam was going more and more in a different direction

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<v Speaker 2>and it really became a bit of a sticking point

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<v Speaker 2>for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because you two is one of those bands,

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<v Speaker 1>same lineup from day one for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were a few times, maybe three times during

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<v Speaker 1>their career where they had thought about calling it quits.

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<v Speaker 1>I know during the octoone Baby recording they felt like

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<v Speaker 1>things went work can out. I believe there was another

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<v Speaker 1>time right where they thought maybe we should split up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been a couple of times over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>The October album. Bono covered it during his book tour.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that they got together and they went to

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<v Speaker 2>the manager and said, God is telling us that we

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<v Speaker 2>should pull the plug on the band. And their manager

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<v Speaker 2>looked at them and said, and what is God telling

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<v Speaker 2>you to do with the contracts you signed? So they

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<v Speaker 2>quickly learned that they had contracts that they had to

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<v Speaker 2>fulfill and they weren't getting out of it that.

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<v Speaker 1>Quickly, and eventually they'd start making the labels quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of money. Didn't start that way though, at least

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<v Speaker 1>here in the States. Boy in October solid placings on

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<v Speaker 1>the charts right in Ireland, but in the US still

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't caught fire, But that was coming. Boy reached number

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three on Billboard October one, oh four, but that

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<v Speaker 1>changes with war Or, released on February twenty eighth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three. Peter Rowan, once again featured on.

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<v Speaker 2>The cover, was the big breakthrough for break Through.

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<v Speaker 1>First number one in the UK, not Michael Jackson's Thriller

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<v Speaker 1>off the top spot. Not too shabby, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>Sat outside the top ten. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is thanks to the singles New Year's Day, Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>Bloody Sunday, heavy airplay on radio and MTV and TV was.

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<v Speaker 2>There around then. You had a bunch of good looking

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<v Speaker 2>young guys that were doing videos. They knew what to

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<v Speaker 2>do to get the songs played. New Year's Day. Why

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<v Speaker 2>to catch a song? It's it's still one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to ask about the video because that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great there's some great stories on that which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, New Year's Day was the highest charting single

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, number fifty three. And we can't forget

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<v Speaker 1>about two Hearts Beat as One too. It's another great song.

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<v Speaker 1>But New Year's Day inspired by the solidarity movement in

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<v Speaker 1>Poland unfolding as you two was recording the album, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about the video. Where was

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<v Speaker 1>this filmed? And can you tell the story behind the

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<v Speaker 1>band members riding on horseback? Or so we thought?

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<v Speaker 2>The band wanted something cold and snowy, and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>they were playing into the pool and wintertime theme. So

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<v Speaker 2>they went to Sweden. They took the band to Sweden.

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<v Speaker 2>They filmed I forget the name of the town right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but little lakeside resort type area, and they were in

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<v Speaker 2>the snow. They were cold, they were miserable. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a little campfire belt, but they couldn't stay warm. So

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<v Speaker 2>the next day they packed up and went home. And

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the band on horseback is actually a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>locals that they hired to film. The rest of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Video were the teenage girls? Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Teenage girls? Yeah you are?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what an iconic video. Such a great video. My

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<v Speaker 1>underdog picked by the way, Surrender from this album, which

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize, was about a trip Bono took New

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<v Speaker 1>York to New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was written about New York. I forget

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<v Speaker 2>the exact story with Surrender, but something about tossing yourself

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<v Speaker 2>off the building and maybe a touch of suicide in

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<v Speaker 2>that one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seemed to be a topic that Bono came

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<v Speaker 2>in and out of quite a bitter in the early years.

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<v Speaker 2>Day Without Me also apparently touches on suicide on Boy

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<v Speaker 2>Bottle Leader said it was related to Ian Curtis, But

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote the song before Ian Curtis from Joy Division

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<v Speaker 2>had killed himself, So I'm not sure where the original

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then from All that you Can't Leave behind

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<v Speaker 1>Stuck in a moment you can't get out of is

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Hutchins. But his suicide. Does Bono talk in his

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<v Speaker 1>book at all about depression? Did he battle depression at all?

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<v Speaker 2>And he doesn't seem to dis And I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>it brought up, And I don't know that he actually

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<v Speaker 2>got himself to that point where he considered it. Other

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<v Speaker 2>than what he has spoken about in relation to I

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<v Speaker 2>Will Follow. He certainly had friends along the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he would revisit that New York theme with

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<v Speaker 1>All that you Can't Leave Behind the song New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, New York comes in and out quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>in their lyrics. City of Blinding Lights is also has

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<v Speaker 2>to play in New York's Madison Square Garden after nine eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that that goal of coming to the to

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<v Speaker 1>the US, that was big for them. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>Joshua Tree when you when you get to.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, Angel Carlemks spoke to New York for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time here in Billy Holiday on the radio. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of New York stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the songs on Songs of Innocence tie into

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<v Speaker 2>New York too, some of those early shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get to the Unforgettable Fire, released October one,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four, much of it recorded at slain Castle

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<v Speaker 1>in Ireland. Have you been? I have not. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought tickets to go see them at slain Castle

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<v Speaker 2>and that would have been that two thousand and one

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<v Speaker 2>Elevation tour, but my mother had gotten six so I

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<v Speaker 2>decided to stick close to home. And that's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a reoccurring theme, canceling concerts to stick close to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So slain Castle is still on your your bucket list, then.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get there someday. There's still rumors you too will

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<v Speaker 2>go back there and play again. So next time they play,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be going.

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<v Speaker 1>There are actually two castles on that album cover, Moydrum

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<v Speaker 1>Castle near Floan, which is on the front, and then

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<v Speaker 1>is it boy, this is a pronunciation carrago gonell castle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrago gonell castle. Apologies to those who are listening in

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland right now, right near Clarina. And that's on the back. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the album debuted at number one on the UK

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<v Speaker 1>Album's Charts, number twelve here in the States on the

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<v Speaker 1>Billboard two hundred. Brian Eno brought in to pursue a

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<v Speaker 1>new direction now so this and you can hear it

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<v Speaker 1>in the production and they scored their first top forty

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<v Speaker 1>single in the US with Pride in the Name of Love,

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<v Speaker 1>which reached number thirty three. Most know that this song

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<v Speaker 1>is about Martin Luther King Junior, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>many know Bono intended it to be about somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>This I found it interesting. Can you tell us who

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<v Speaker 1>that was? And what led Bono to changing his mind

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<v Speaker 1>and focusing on MLK Junior instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Bono claims that the song was originally written about Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow and thembivalent attitude in America meant as the sort

427
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.559
<v Speaker 2>of pride that won't back down, and that wants to

428
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 2>build nuclear arsenals. So originally The Unforgettable Fire had that

429
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:20.880
<v Speaker 2>tie into the nuclear bomb and the bombing of some

430
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:25.599
<v Speaker 2>of the Japanese cities during World War Two. So I

431
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:31.200
<v Speaker 2>certainly understand where Bono probably got into the nuclear talks

432
00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that were ongoing in the eighties, right, Reagan in the

433
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:39.440
<v Speaker 2>forefront of all that. So happily he switched to a

434
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:44.319
<v Speaker 2>different topic and wrote one of their probably biggest songs.

435
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the songs that they still play live,

436
00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 2>still gets a huge response. I don't know if they

437
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:53.279
<v Speaker 2>would have gotten that had they stayed with the Ronald

438
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Reagan subject matter over the years.

439
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, Yeah, he felt like he was giving Reagan

440
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.759
<v Speaker 1>too much importance, and that's why he made that change.

441
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a good change. It was a good switch.

442
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<v Speaker 1>Podcast. We'll be back after this, be right back with

443
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<v Speaker 1>a snack.

444
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Jack Go Go Away.

445
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Another song on The Unforgettable Fire called Bad and this

446
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>song about the heroin crisis in Dublin among my favorites.

447
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure many YouTube fans feel the same. It's a

448
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.799
<v Speaker 1>standout song for you too, because it's it's the performance

449
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.960
<v Speaker 1>of that song at live AID in nineteen eighty five.

450
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>That pushes you two into the spotlight and they become

451
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 1>huge stars as a result of it.

452
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<v Speaker 2>If you on a moment where I tipped from casual

453
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 2>fan to hardcore fan, it was sitting on my grandmother's

454
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 2>couch watching Live Aid. Wombono hopped into the audience.

455
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Wow, what a performance that.

456
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Moment right there, I was hooked. I had to know more.

457
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I want to know who these guys were. I had

458
00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.640
<v Speaker 2>picked up a couple of things from them, but that

459
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.039
<v Speaker 2>was the moment where I went from I kind of

460
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>like them to who are these guys? I need everything

461
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 2>they've put.

462
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Out right, I believe. There's an interview with Bono at

463
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Live AID, which I thought was funny. He actually introduces himself.

464
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<v Speaker 1>You know, He's like, because people, it's a lot of

465
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 1>people that may be watching me and I know, so

466
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:19.039
<v Speaker 1>he's like, my name is Bono and from the band

467
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you too. It's just like insane to think about that,

468
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>because you know, they just became a household name and

469
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>it was really because of them.

470
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<v Speaker 2>They were still working on it. Yeah, Actually they were

471
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>supposed to play Pride in the Name of Love that night.

472
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 1>That's that was to follow bad, I think, right, they

473
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:36.839
<v Speaker 1>cut it out.

474
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.519
<v Speaker 2>So they had to cut it out because of Bono's

475
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.519
<v Speaker 2>run down into the audience.

476
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Which he felt bad about afterwards.

477
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he thought he had screwed the whole thing up.

478
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 2>And so many people were sitting at home thinking this

479
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 2>is great. Who is this guy and why is they

480
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 2>pulling some girl out of the audience, and that that

481
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 2>whole thing mad made my day watching that.

482
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 1>That is what I think. One of the things I

483
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>love about you too is is Bonos. It's like a

484
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>fearlessness on stage, like he'll do things like that. It

485
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.960
<v Speaker 1>just he just goes somewhere and I don't even think

486
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 1>he even plans on it most of the time.

487
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think sometimes he realizes he's done it

488
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 2>until he's about.

489
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>It after Yeah, it's like he's in his zone. It's

490
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>just it's just magical, magical.

491
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I was at the opening of the Elevation tour in

492
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Fort Lauderdale and he just decided he was going into

493
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the audience off the tip of the heart and just

494
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 2>jumped off and went for a walk about and and

495
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it was crazy to actually see that. You didn't know

496
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 2>where he was. Security was trying to figure out where

497
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>he was going, what he was doing, and he did

498
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 2>that for the next night as well, and I managed

499
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to put myself right in his path that night and

500
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:55.960
<v Speaker 2>got a high five as he was wanting running by.

501
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 1>That's so cool man, very Springsteen. It reminds me a

502
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:04.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of Springsteen's like that too, just passionate on stage.

503
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Bono gets that energy built up and he just has

504
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>to let it go sometimes.

505
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that performance sets up the next album, which

506
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.839
<v Speaker 1>is an album called The Joshua Tree, a little old

507
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>album called the Joshua Tree. This is This is still

508
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>my personal favor and I love octun Baby, but this

509
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 1>is right at the top for me. Released March ninth,

510
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty seven, first album to reach number one in

511
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the USA, reached number one in the UK. Record stores

512
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>opened at midnight to meet demand. With or Without You

513
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and I still haven't found what I'm looking for. Number

514
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>one singles where the streets have no name, Number thirteen

515
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>in God's Country just missed the top forty number forty four.

516
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>You know and Lenoir are back to produce on this.

517
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>We haven't talked about the edges of amazing guitar works,

518
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about With or without You, because he

519
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>saves this song from being abandoned.

520
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah was it? And sure was it Bono's friend Gavin Friday.

521
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, because I think it was that. I think

522
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>it was that risk.

523
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>At one point they talked about walking away.

524
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.799
<v Speaker 1>From that song right with or without You? Let's see.

525
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 2>A breakthrough came when the Edge was given a prototype

526
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 2>infinite guitar, right Gavin Friday and Bono took it away

527
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:25.839
<v Speaker 2>to work on it when the band was ready to

528
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>abandon the song. Yeah, it was Gavin that it convinced

529
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Bono to take it away and work on it a

530
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit further. But in the meantime Edge was noodling

531
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 2>around with this infinite guitar. There was only two or

532
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>three of those guitars created. Canadian came up with that

533
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 2>invention and and somewhere along the way, Bono brought back

534
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>what he had been working on. Edge brought back what

535
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>he had been working on. They smashed it all together.

536
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Help came with or Without You, which I don't think

537
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>he could go anywhere. Is in nineteen eighty seven and

538
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>not hear that song on the radio.

539
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, another song almost lost where the streets have No Name?

540
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>And this time it was engineer Pat McCarthy stepped in

541
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to save this one.

542
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, brian Ino was getting ready to throw that one

543
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>into the garbage and when the engineers rescued it that

544
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>day and said no, no, well we're going to pull

545
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 2>that aside. And the band worked on that and worked

546
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.519
<v Speaker 2>on it, and they thought they had something special there,

547
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>but they couldn't get to the finish line. But eventually

548
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>they got there. I'm so glad they did because if

549
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a moment in their live show that I never

550
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 2>want to do without, it's being able to turn around

551
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>when the lights come up during where the streets have

552
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 2>no name, but looking at the faces behind you, it's

553
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 2>pure joy in the audience when that song is being performed.

554
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 1>It's goosebumps, you know, goosebumps. What was the did they perform?

555
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>That?

556
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't at the super Bowl? Just following nine to eleven?

557
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>They did that at the super Bowl. Guy behind me

558
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>at my first show in Edmonton in ninety seven tapped

559
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>me on the shoulder and he said, when the lights

560
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 2>come on during the streets, look behind you. I have

561
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to say that was the best advice I ever got.

562
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I still to this day, just look around the arena

563
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>or the stadium or wherever I happen to be, and

564
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>just look at the audience enjoying that song. It's rare

565
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 2>to see that many people that happy all at one time.

566
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Joshua Tree. I remember getting it this Christmas vacation week.

567
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I was in college and I got a gift certificate

568
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to Strawberries Records, and I went and got tattoo you

569
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.839
<v Speaker 1>from the Stones and Joshua Tree. There's a third one,

570
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I think two, But because I kept thinking this would

571
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>been in the early nineties, I'm like, I keep hearing

572
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>everything about Joshua True and I know the hits, I

573
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:58.799
<v Speaker 1>know the singles, but I got to hear this whole thing.

574
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>You know. It was just one of those moments where

575
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>you just like Mesmeriz, you know, just turned the lights

576
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>down it playing, just yeah, just amazed at what I

577
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>was hearing. It's the songs that were the songs that

578
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 1>weren't the hits are I love every bit as much

579
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 1>as the ones that were.

580
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Joshua Tree came out while I was in

581
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:23.759
<v Speaker 2>high school and small town maybe five hundred people. My

582
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>graduating class had less than thirty people in it, so

583
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>no one knew who you two were. There was me

584
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 2>and one other girl at the high school that were

585
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>YouTube fans, so we would just talk for hours. And

586
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Joshua Tree was one of those albums I got into

587
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>while it was fresh. I was there while it was

588
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>coming out, and I think that might have been the

589
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 2>first album that I got into while the band were

590
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 2>promoting it, rather than looking back on something they had

591
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 2>released years earlier.

592
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Rattling Homi is interesting. Over ten nineteen eighty eight, it's

593
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 1>released and it's a combination of new material and live performances.

594
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 1>It's released as the soundtrack to the film of the

595
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>same name. This is kind of divisive. Where do you

596
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:16.720
<v Speaker 1>stand on Rattling Hume? This differing opinions among YouTube fans.

597
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I.

598
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Really like the music. I probably could have done without

599
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the film. The live performances in the film are amazing,

600
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:33.799
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. Being in a small town, there

601
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a theater nearby, so I did Rattle and Hum

602
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 2>without all the movie. Fuss. I didn't see Rattling Hum

603
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.039
<v Speaker 2>until probably two or three years later.

604
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So to.

605
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Me, Rattle and Hum was just more live music and

606
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:55.079
<v Speaker 2>some great songs, and I really bypassed the rattle and

607
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 2>hum film aspect, probably until it showed on TV a

608
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>couple of years later.

609
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a great gospel version of I still haven't

610
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 1>found what I'm looking for.

611
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>What the new voice is the freedom? Yeah, You're out

612
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>in New York. They were actually approached to do a

613
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 2>single of that song back when they released the initial

614
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>single in nineteen eighty seven. You two was going to

615
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 2>do a double release and release a gospel version of

616
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the song at the same time.

617
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, they had hits off this one too, The Desires

618
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 1>number three, Angel of Harlan number fourteen, and a couple

619
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>more singles When Love Comes to Town with BB King.

620
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>That's such a great song.

621
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Great song, and All I Want Is You is among

622
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>my favorite.

623
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 2>All I Want to Use is You is one of

624
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.199
<v Speaker 2>my faves as well. I love how they ended that.

625
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Jimmy Ivy, credited as producer, reached number one in

626
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 1>the US and UK, but again mixed reactions from critics

627
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and fans. So I think that's why that was part

628
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of the decision that went into Octune Baby. Correct. It

629
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 1>was like, let's go, let's try something different. Now, I

630
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>think we went a little too far in that direction.

631
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's try something new.

632
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>We went a little too far with rock and roll

633
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>in the US sound. Let's head to Europe.

634
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, which we get to tune Baby.

635
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not one of my favorites.

636
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Really. Wow.

637
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.840
<v Speaker 2>It was my first year at university and I was

638
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>off listening to strange, weird dance music and Actung Baby

639
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>just left me a little bit cold.

640
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 1>That is shocking. That is shocking. Wow.

641
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay had some great songs, some of them are favorites

642
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>of mine. I was really into some of what they

643
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.679
<v Speaker 2>did with the singles. There was a remix of even

644
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Better Than the Real Thing that I played constantly. It

645
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>never came out of the stereo, that Perfecto remix.

646
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>So it had its moments.

647
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there was a remix of Mysterious Ways that

648
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 2>really got my attention as well, and the one single

649
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 2>with Satellite of Love and Lady with the spinning ad

650
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>that caught my attention. So there I was all over

651
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Actung Baby. I just never listened to the album.

652
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>What about the boot There was a famous bootleg that

653
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.559
<v Speaker 1>got circulated for many years. The songs that were some

654
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 1>of the songs that were ditched. Some of the songs

655
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.119
<v Speaker 1>had pieces of what we would end up hearing.

656
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was stolen from their hotel room. As the

657
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 2>story somebody made one of the cleaning crew made off

658
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>with the tapes or something. Now rough rough versions of

659
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 2>some of what we heard on that final album, But

660
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I do admit I do like some of that early

661
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>early stuff even better than the real thing was in

662
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 2>there in an early form, and Salame, which they released

663
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 2>as a B side, eventually was in.

664
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 1>There were these songs that were these the songs though

665
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>where they finally they got because there was a point

666
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 1>there were they were getting frustrated and they kind of

667
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>gave up and said, this isn't going to happen.

668
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was the song. It was the Frustration that

669
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>got released, the Frustration that made its way onto bootleg

670
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and you can hear it in some of those some

671
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>of those songs there. If you go back, there's I

672
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 2>think seven CDs worth of material, and some of it

673
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just the same song over and over and over again.

674
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 2>They were beating themselves over the heads with it and

675
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 2>not getting anywhere.

676
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>They started recording I think is as early as eighty

677
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 1>nine or so, wasn't it.

678
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had done some even some of the footage

679
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 2>of Rattle and Home. They're playing songs for Iovine, some

680
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff they had worked on back during the

681
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Rattle and Home sessions.

682
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then they scrapped it and then it was I

683
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>believe the song won. It was that the first. That

684
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>was the first they said okay, we're onto something here.

685
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the breakthrough. That was the one where

686
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>they finally they figured it out and they pulled it

687
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 2>together and the band, I don't know if I want

688
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 2>to say it was easy for them, but they got there.

689
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>They they were able to pull that song together easier

690
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 2>than any of the other material they were working on,

691
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and they packed up. They left Germany.

692
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.320
<v Speaker 1>At that point, right.

693
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I always hear about the German roots, But a lot

694
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.159
<v Speaker 2>of that album was recorded when they got back home

695
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>to Dublin.

696
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, because it was in Germany that they were

697
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>getting frustrated.

698
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had the breakthrough moment before they left, but

699
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>they brought it home to Dublin and finished it off

700
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 2>on Home Home Turf.

701
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting. The lead single was the Fly,

702
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>which I love that song, but it was an interesting

703
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.519
<v Speaker 1>choice as a lead single because I would think maybe

704
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 1>like Mysterious Ways or even better than the Real Thing

705
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 1>would have been a logical choice that took them down

706
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that path of some really strange first singles. Right.

707
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 2>If you think about what they've released over the years,

708
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the odd ball song is typically the first one out

709
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>of the gate. Next album was Numb Yeah, Verdigo wasn't

710
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the obvious single for that album either.

711
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's kind of a gutsy call.

712
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Beautiful Day. Beautiful Day was the obvious song that Yeah.

713
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Disco tech, Disco Tech. Yeah.

714
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>There were stronger songs on pop than.

715
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which we're getting close to talking about. Octune Baby

716
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.760
<v Speaker 1>ninety one should go into the numbers a little bit

717
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 1>here debuted number one in the US number two in

718
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the UK. Recorded with Daniel lin Watt and Brian you Know.

719
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Linn Wah acted as the primary producer, working full time

720
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>with you while Eno would join them for a week

721
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>at a time each month. Mysterious Ways and one or

722
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.559
<v Speaker 1>top ten, even better than the Real Thing and Who's

723
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Going to Roger wild Horse's top forty and the title

724
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.679
<v Speaker 1>of the album This is fairly well Known, was taken

725
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>from the movie The Producers. The phrase heard in the

726
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>film was used by sound engineer Joe o' hurley. Yeah,

727
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 1>so that's whe they came up with that name. And

728
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>let's see, you two were hoping to catch some excitement

729
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 1>in Germany. We talked about that. Just got some notes here.

730
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 1>The studio had been where many of their idols had recorded.

731
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>That's right, David Bowie recorded that studio a deep pop

732
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 1>and the city was going through reunification. But they found

733
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the city cold and couldn't find their their path in

734
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the studio. And that's where, like you said, they head

735
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>back to Ireland and on the verge of breaking up.

736
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's yeah, that was.

737
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>The second big breakup. I think it came really really

738
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 2>close at that point.

739
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Imagine if that happened. I mean, because they became huge

740
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties.

741
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Well that's just actung baby. You look back and you

742
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine the nineties without it, right. Oh, we were

743
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 2>really close not even having a U two anymore at

744
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 2>that point.

745
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Aaron SAMs is the author of the new book

746
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Youtwoe Song by song out now through font Hill Media,

747
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>so you can find it wherever books are sold online

748
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and Amazon and all the usual places. So You two

749
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>is arguably the biggest band in the world. By this

750
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 1>time early nineties, and that is evident by the numbers

751
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>for the next album, which was ninety three Zoo Ropa.

752
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 1>The album reached number one in seventeen countries, including both

753
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the UK and the US, and it's got the single's

754
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 1>numb Lemon Stay So Far Away, So Close and the

755
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 1>track Numb that took people by surprise. Who am I listen?

756
00:41:58.639 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>That's not Bono?

757
00:41:59.440 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Is that?

758
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 1>No? It's not Bono? That is that is the Edge, Yeah,

759
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the Edge, but Bono was supposed to do the lead vocals.

760
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>He took a crack ad it a few times.

761
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>They had a couple of different songs during Acting Baby.

762
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>It was.

763
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Developed as down all the Days. It's actually on one

764
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 2>of the box sets you can hear Bono singing the

765
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 2>original planned version of numb Wow. So it's out there,

766
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't working. It was one of those songs

767
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>they were struggling with and the Edge took it away

768
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and came back with this spoken word piece that just

769
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 2>worked over top of it and they ran with it.

770
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>And interestingly enough, the backing vocals, it's Larry Mullen has

771
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 2>has a big piece of the backing vocals there. You

772
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>don't hear his voice in many songs, so it's interesting

773
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that it's the Edge and Larry that kind of took

774
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 2>that song away and made their own.

775
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember hearing that that summer of ninety three.

776
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>What a choice for a lead single. I mean that,

777
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 1>I love the title track, the opening track, slow fading

778
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 1>boom boom boom boom boom, boo boo boo boo, boom

779
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>boom boom. It just hypnotic.

780
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I I had had a little vacation from you two

781
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 2>at that point, really Actung Baby. I hadn't listened to

782
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it, and there were a couple of

783
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 2>singles that I listened to now and then, but Zopa

784
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.360
<v Speaker 2>head And although I was off investigating other music when

785
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Actung Baby came around, you two kind of met up

786
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>with my investigations and hit me full force with Zoopa.

787
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 2>It's exactly what I was listening to. I was listening

788
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of industrial rack. I was kind of

789
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>in a German place. Nine Inch Nails was on my

790
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.760
<v Speaker 2>listening playlist at that point in time, I think, and

791
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 2>some German industrial bands ministry a lot of stuff like that.

792
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I found you two just pulled it all around and

793
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 2>just went for it. I really loved that album. It's

794
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>still one of my favorite U Two albums.

795
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think the band as a whole, but

796
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>definitely Bono and The Edge. They were always on the

797
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 1>edge of pop culture musically, like they even on pop

798
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I remember Bono was talking about just looking at the

799
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 1>top forty charts and seeing who was there, and he was.

800
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.639
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to kind of stay ahead of the curve,

801
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 1>really not keep up with the others, but kind of

802
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 1>look forward to what's coming next in the two thousands,

803
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and that was a pretty gutsy move on their part.

804
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 1>But they also Oasis was a huge influence on Bono.

805
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>I think at the Edge too.

806
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Brett Roth was having it stay in the Sun. Right

807
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 2>around then they were Oasis was big, and you had

808
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of acts coming out of Manchester that were

809
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 2>starting and to hit some success again, and it was

810
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.159
<v Speaker 2>just an interesting era. I'm really glad You Too went

811
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 2>down that road and I played around with it. That

812
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 2>nineties You Two stuff some of my favorite You Two stuff.

813
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 1>They've done podcasts. We'll be back after this. I had

814
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 1>author Jeff harkness On who wrote a great book. Maybe

815
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.199
<v Speaker 1>you've read it. You should if you Haven't yet. Forty

816
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Foot Lemon, The Complete Story of You two'es Pop and

817
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Pop Marked. It's an excellent book.

818
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I have that on my Amazon list this morning.

819
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, I'm sure Jeff's listening to this episode. He

820
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>is a huge You two fan, and he is a

821
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 1>fan of pop as am. I probably like half the

822
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>half the tracks I am a fan of and I

823
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 1>think I'm with you. I'm glad that they went with

824
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>this that whether it worked or didn't, it's something that

825
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>they really wanted to do. It's just something artistically they

826
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 1>felt they wanted to do. And it was an initially

827
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 1>announced to be released in October of ninety six, but

828
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.679
<v Speaker 1>it was delayed. They had trouble finishing the song. It's

829
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of similar not to him Baby, right.

830
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they struggled with pop. They weren't quite sure what

831
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 2>they were doing with it in places, and end of

832
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:18.599
<v Speaker 2>the day, they weren't really happy with the final mixes

833
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and they were still tweaking and playing with things. I

834
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 2>think You Too were a little bit ahead of their

835
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>time with pop. I think that album stands up better

836
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:33.280
<v Speaker 2>than any of us remember it. If you go back

837
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and listen to it. That is an incredible piece of work.

838
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember Bono talking this is maybe twenty years ago,

839
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years ago. He wanted to re release it.

840
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I think they had something there that they didn't know

841
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 2>at the time how good it was. I'm a big

842
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 2>fan of pop and the whole tour, the culture that

843
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 2>surrounded it, the merchandise they put out, the fun they

844
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>were having with the videos. I just love that whole

845
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.000
<v Speaker 2>period of You two.

846
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk about pressure too, right. They had the tour

847
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.360
<v Speaker 1>booked ready to start April of ninety seven, so.

848
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.119
<v Speaker 2>They were still mixing the album.

849
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 1>They're still mixing it.

850
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were supposed to be in rehearsals that ORR

851
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.079
<v Speaker 2>really suffered because of it.

852
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

853
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 2>They got them off on a rough foot in Las

854
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Vegas and the critics just savaged them for not being ready.

855
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the album debuted strong number one in twenty

856
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 1>nine countries including the UK and US. Yeah, and Disco Tech,

857
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>who number ten single Steering at the Sun number twenty six.

858
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they're singles. They should have mixed that

859
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>one up. I think Disco Tech maybe they should have

860
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>released it as a second single and put one of

861
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the more U two sounding songs up front. I think

862
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>it would have turned around that campaign.

863
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>For them in the States, and Larry wasn't too fond

864
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.119
<v Speaker 1>of the album as a whole, right he was and

865
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 1>digging they were.

866
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Larry had back problems, so Larry was on the sidelines

867
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 2>for most in the recording of that album. He came

868
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>in at the end and re recorded a bunch of

869
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff they had put together, but that one was probably

870
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>a hard one for him because he wasn't around for

871
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of the original recording sessions.

872
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I love MOFO. That's a great one.

873
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I have a MOFO T shirt that I almost wore

874
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.039
<v Speaker 2>tonight for this.

875
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>You could have won.

876
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.360
<v Speaker 2>It the Las Vegas one instead.

877
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, oh that's cool. That's from the YouTube Vegas show. Okay, yeah,

878
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that's from the Spare show. I'm wondering what that was. Okay, cool, Well,

879
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 1>so they did. There was a reaction that the band

880
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 1>had to the the lack of I mean, I hates

881
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 1>said it's not a failure of pop because it did

882
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>really well, but you know where I'm going. I mean,

883
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 1>there was there was some push back there. So I

884
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>think that leads to all that you can't leave behind, like, Okay,

885
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 1>let's pull it back a little bit. Let's let's make

886
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.800
<v Speaker 1>sure we don't entirely lose our fan base.

887
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what they did. Pop was so

888
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>out there, they took some risks, they pushed the envelope,

889
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:22.239
<v Speaker 2>but I think they decided he didn't really work for us,

890
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 2>and let's pull back and let's get it back to

891
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>four guys in a room again.

892
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 1>But it worked two times before, right, Joshua Tree, when

893
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 1>they made that shift, and sound did just fine, and

894
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and our tune Baby was a drastic change, but.

895
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And it worked for them again. All that you Can't

896
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Leave Behind is probably going to be in the long

897
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 2>term looked as one of their big three albums. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

898
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>October thirtieth.

899
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. You're saying, if you have to pick a third,

900
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 1>is this top top five U two in your opinion?

901
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 1>All that you Can't Leave behind?

902
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 2>My opinion, none of those albums.

903
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 1>No, I know because I read about you. Yes, I had.

904
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>There's an interesting I think I have it in my

905
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 1>notes here. I was gonna ask about your favorite U

906
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>two albums.

907
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 2>You can ask that one later. Yeah, Critically and popularity,

908
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 2>I think all that you leave behind or all that

909
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 2>you can't leave behind has to be the third album.

910
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Some would make the case that it would be How

911
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 2>to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb because of the Grammy Awards,

912
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>but I think All that You Can't Leave Behind is

913
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 2>the more successful of the two albums.

914
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Yeah reached number one in thirty two different countries,

915
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 1>including the US and UK. Album won Best Rock Album

916
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.320
<v Speaker 1>at the two thousand and two Grammy Awards. Talk about

917
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the lead single, Beautiful Day, number twenty one in the US,

918
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:02.360
<v Speaker 1>number one in the UK. Interesting things here, It almost

919
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't make the album one and two. There was a

920
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 1>different title which you can hear the edge singing under

921
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Bono's vocals.

922
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The song was originally developed under the title Always,

923
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.280
<v Speaker 2>which you two and their Infinite Wisdom released the same

924
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.000
<v Speaker 2>day they released Beautiful Day. That's the b side the

925
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful Day. They released another version of the song that

926
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 2>went on to become a Finnish song, and you hear

927
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 2>hints of Beautiful Day again in Get Out of Your

928
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Own Way. Always went on to become the backbone of

929
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Get Out of Your Own Way in twenty eighteen.

930
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

931
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 2>They really liked the ideas in there, and they've spun

932
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 2>it off in a couple of different directions over the years.

933
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.159
<v Speaker 1>And we did talk about stuck in a moment you

934
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Can't get out of, and that was about Bono's friend

935
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Michael Hutchinson in excess how he took his life and

936
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 1>he was so affected by that, so he wrote the

937
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 1>song about him, but also talk about there's an unreleased

938
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>version recorded with Mick Jagger.

939
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mick Jagger and his daughter, I think it was.

940
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Is this out there at all? In any bootleg?

941
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.239
<v Speaker 2>It is not. The studio recording that they did is

942
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.880
<v Speaker 2>not out there. Mick Jager has joined them in concert

943
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.679
<v Speaker 2>to do it, and that was done at one of

944
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame anniversary celebrations. Wow,

945
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that's that's been released. But the actual studio version with

946
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Mick Jagger on backing vocals doesn't ever come out.

947
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's in.

948
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.119
<v Speaker 2>The archives that I hope we get to hear someday.

949
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they've they've released quite a quite a bit

950
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>of stuff that I would think is from their archives.

951
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.679
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of those deluxe editions and things

952
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 1>like that, you think it'd be in there. Yeah.

953
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>The deluxe edition of All That You Can't Leave Behind

954
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>was a bit disappointing because there were only three unreleased

955
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 2>pieces of music in there, and they were all remixes

956
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that just didn't make the cut in two thousand.

957
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Well tell me, is there anywhere I can find I

958
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 1>love on Elevation. I love the version that's on the album,

959
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>but the one that was for the video had at

960
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the end a little heavier. The edge is riff. It's

961
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the two Mader version and I cannot find that. You

962
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 1>think it's on Spotify. I was trying to find it.

963
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.519
<v Speaker 2>It should be released as a single on Friday.

964
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.559
<v Speaker 1>What okay? What am I missing?

965
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 2>YouTube's currently going through a little bit of a program

966
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 2>where they're re releasing old singles.

967
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh cool, and.

968
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>They've were Elevation should be the one that comes out

969
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 2>on Friday. I'm hoping the tomb Raider version is in there.

970
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.119
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't on that big box that they did.

971
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it awesome? Kicks ass man? I love that.

972
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I know it should be out on Friday, though I

973
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 2>would expect, so keep an eye on streaming services.

974
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Then, very nice, good timing. I'm glad, I asked. Yeah,

975
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:17.079
<v Speaker 1>so no one knows, Yeah, no one knows. Okay, So

976
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this album puts them back in the driver's seat. And

977
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 1>then they returned with O four's How to Dismantle an

978
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Atomic Bomb. There was something about long album titles. They

979
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 1>were into. The record labels must have hated it, right,

980
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like you got to get something a little more catchy, something.

981
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:36.639
<v Speaker 2>I call it atomic Bomb and I write it.

982
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, number one and thirty four different countries.

983
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you want to follow up on the success

984
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 2>of an album, atomic Bomb was the way to do it.

985
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Grammy awards and charts and sales, and that Vertigo tour

986
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:56.400
<v Speaker 2>just sold like crazy.

987
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, here's another thing I didn't know until I

988
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 1>read your book. They started recording with a twenty piece

989
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.280
<v Speaker 1>orchestra with a producer by the name of Chris Thomas,

990
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 1>but then those were scrapped.

991
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Chris Thomas, famous first work with the Beatles.

992
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay again, question are these songs out there?

993
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.960
<v Speaker 2>They are not out there. Very few of the songs

994
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 2>that they worked on with Chris Thomas ever saw the

995
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 2>light a day. They did a big box set with

996
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Apple on iTunes, the Complete U two and it was

997
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>like a crazy amount of songs and you could only

998
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 2>get it through iTunes, and you could only get the

999
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.559
<v Speaker 2>bonus stuff if you bought the whole thing. A couple

1000
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.000
<v Speaker 2>of the early demos were on there, but not the

1001
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 2>orchestra stuff. So the orchestra stuff still remains unreleased, and

1002
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm really interested if they're going to pull that out

1003
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.639
<v Speaker 2>this fall for the twentieth anniversary of that album.

1004
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The question also is are they fully mixed? Where

1005
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 1>they done to completion? Do we even know.

1006
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>No idea where they got to in some of that?

1007
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 2>There were other songs that were cut off that album

1008
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 2>right at the last minute. There's a song that fans

1009
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 2>go on and talk about all.

1010
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 1>The time, Mercy, Mercy, Okay, Mercy.

1011
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.159
<v Speaker 2>It's only ever been released as a live track and

1012
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 2>it was recorded many years later, but there was an

1013
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 2>original version recorded for Atomic Bomb. It was cut like

1014
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.239
<v Speaker 2>right before the final mix of the album was done.

1015
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.280
<v Speaker 2>They decided the album was too long and they hacked

1016
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.559
<v Speaker 2>the song off the end. Best song they've done in years.

1017
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I love that song.

1018
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Really, Okay, I gotta look for that Mercy there.

1019
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.400
<v Speaker 2>There is a studio version of it that leaked, and

1020
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 2>it's the original studio version because they were passing out

1021
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 2>copies of the album to let friends listen to, and

1022
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the albums that they were passing out had mercy on

1023
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the end of it, and then they chopped it at

1024
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the last minute. Stupid move. Wow.

1025
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, some great, great pieces of trivia. On Vertigo.

1026
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>It had several working titles Hard Metal Jacket, Full Metal Jacket, Shark,

1027
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Soup with the Hell, and and then I don't even

1028
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.159
<v Speaker 1>know how to pronounce this correctly, Sopa do t baron.

1029
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I believe that shark's soap in Spanish.

1030
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I gotcha.

1031
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were playing with the Spanish thing there quite

1032
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 2>a bit. Ramone went on to become the Miracle of

1033
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Joey Ramon.

1034
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Jorm Okay and a Native Son was another title, and

1035
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.199
<v Speaker 1>there they're said to According to your book, they're said

1036
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 1>to be over seventy five recorded versions of this song,

1037
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy five.

1038
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Steve Lilywhite did a podcast a few years ago and

1039
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>he said he came in and Bono brought out the

1040
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>song that he just loved, and he looked at Bonn

1041
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.280
<v Speaker 2>and he said, are you going to be able to

1042
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 2>sing that live? And Bono was like, no, Well back

1043
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:06.719
<v Speaker 2>to the drawing board.

1044
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's in your book too. Wow.

1045
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 2>It's it's interesting some of those songs they've teased and

1046
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:18.000
<v Speaker 2>played with and I'd argue that what they've what they

1047
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.719
<v Speaker 2>play live now is the best version that.

1048
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:23.199
<v Speaker 1>They've got of that song of Vertigo.

1049
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it would be interesting to hear some of

1050
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 2>those earlier versions.

1051
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I think what's interesting from reading the book too, is

1052
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.239
<v Speaker 1>just you just get a feel of this is something

1053
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I was already pretty much aware of, but it just

1054
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 1>it's solidified the the the fact that the work ethic

1055
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.119
<v Speaker 1>of you two and and the perfectionism and the you know,

1056
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.559
<v Speaker 1>if it's just not right, we're going to start again.

1057
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>You know. They just they're not just gonna just Okay,

1058
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.719
<v Speaker 1>we got enough songs, Let's just throw a few more

1059
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 1>tracks on there. Here's your album, and let's tour.

1060
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.679
<v Speaker 2>I think we'd have a lot more albums if they

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00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:55.960
<v Speaker 2>weren't perfectionists.

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00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they.

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00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Just And sometime I wonder if what they had two

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00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.480
<v Speaker 2>or three months before the end of the album sessions

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00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>isn't the better album.

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00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes Yeah, all right, now, here's here's where we get

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00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to your favorite U two albums. And this is shocking,

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00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.920
<v Speaker 1>not as shocking as your statement on Octune Baby, but

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00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.119
<v Speaker 1>this is this is I'm actually I'm with you on

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00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 1>this one. Actually, by the way, but According to Youtuo

1071
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 1>songs dot Com, You're a big fan of the Unforgettable

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00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Fire Zuopa and the next album we'll talk about, which

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00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.320
<v Speaker 1>is two thousand and nine's No Line on the Horizon.

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00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I love this album.

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00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I love this album. Yeah, there is a joy in

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00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 2>the music on this album that I just find gets

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00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 2>under my skin. I could listen to this if I

1078
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.719
<v Speaker 2>was on a desert island and had to pick one

1079
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 2>album to take with me. It's gonna be my remixed

1080
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.199
<v Speaker 2>version of No Line on the Horizon, because I do

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01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 2>have a version where I've rearranged it and taken a

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01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of things out and moved them around. So okay,

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01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 2>there are a few choices I make that, but overall

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01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.800
<v Speaker 2>it's my favorite. All the songs end up in there.

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01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 2>But I've got a different version of I'll Go Crazy

1086
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that I put on my copy.

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01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.199
<v Speaker 1>What a great song, What a great song. But here

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01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>we go again. Initial recording with Rick Rubin in two

1089
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, it was shelved.

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01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.559
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that came out of those sessions were

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01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:38.159
<v Speaker 2>The Saints Are Coming with Green Day and Window in

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01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the Skies. Both of them are on a best of

1093
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 2>package that they put out, but there's a whole album

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01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.599
<v Speaker 2>of Ruben tracks that they've never gone back to that

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01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 2>they keep threatening to go back to.

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01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.719
<v Speaker 1>And what they just just weren't feeling the chemistry with

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01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Rick just you weren't feeling it. Because this is an

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01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.039
<v Speaker 1>interesting ACDC had the same issue with Rick Rubin. They

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01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 1>when they worked with them, they just didn't.

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01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.239
<v Speaker 2>My understanding is Rubin expects you to show up and

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01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.679
<v Speaker 2>have songs, and he's going to record them and make

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01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 2>them the best damn songs ever. You two walk in

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01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.199
<v Speaker 2>with nothing and expect to fiddle around in the studio

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01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and get help in creating songs and putting ideas together.

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01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Rubin wasn't ready to go that far back in the

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01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:28.119
<v Speaker 2>process with them, from what I understand, So he wanted

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01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 2>them to come a little bit more ready to record.

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01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And they showed up with a bunch of sketches and

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01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.400
<v Speaker 2>they were looking for more of a Brian Eno treatment

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01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they brought him back in, him and Brian and

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01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Lenoi. Yeah producers. Yeah, they came back in.

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01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.840
<v Speaker 2>They not only came in as producers with no line

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01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:53.000
<v Speaker 2>on the horizon, they're credited as co writers all.

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01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Right now, is that a first? They hadn't done that before.

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01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Speaker 2>They hadn't done that except for Passengers our Eno and

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01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Howie Be and Pavarotti get some credit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That was released under her separate name. It wasn't released

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01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 2>under You Two. This is the first time they brought

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01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody in as like songwriters with them.

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01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Get on Your Boots magnificent one of my all time

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01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.119
<v Speaker 1>favorite You two songs, and I'll Go Crazy if I

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01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 1>don't go crazy Tonight the three singles. Yeah, and this

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01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be double album too.

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01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:30.719
<v Speaker 2>It was Songs of a Cent was what the second

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01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.519
<v Speaker 2>half was turned into. And we still haven't had a

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01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 2>release of that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You talked her a book about the album title. How

1130
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Bono came up with that title No Line on.

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01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The Horizon looking out across the water from his house

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01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:51.159
<v Speaker 2>in Dublin, couldn't see the difference between sky and water.

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01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 1>No Line on the Horizon, and that album cover very

1134
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:59.679
<v Speaker 1>simple but so beautiful. I love that. And that's my

1135
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:03.320
<v Speaker 1>an artist, I guess, a fairly well known artist, I

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01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 1>think according to your book.

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01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's well known for those seascapes. He actually did

1138
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:12.119
<v Speaker 2>one of them in the town that I grew up

1139
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:17.559
<v Speaker 2>in So there's a touch of Sugimoto in ganesh at Home.

1140
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Cool Cool. That's what's the name of the artist, Sugimoto. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1141
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you man. It's a great album. It came

1142
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.559
<v Speaker 1>at a time where things were starting to change as

1143
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 1>far as the radio, the way songs were distributed, the

1144
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.519
<v Speaker 1>way things were promoted. Just the album did well, but

1145
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.400
<v Speaker 1>not like previous You two albums, and I remember just

1146
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:49.000
<v Speaker 1>being surprised by that. They they tried tried like hell

1147
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to get it out there as much as they could,

1148
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.280
<v Speaker 1>but it just didn't seem to to have.

1149
01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I think the record industry went right and YouTube went left. Yeah,

1150
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.320
<v Speaker 2>they just didn't quite hit what was getting the attention

1151
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:07.480
<v Speaker 2>at that point in time. And they tried hard. They

1152
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:11.119
<v Speaker 2>had appearances on the Grammys, they pushed out remixes, they

1153
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.440
<v Speaker 2>they tried to bring that campaign around, but that album

1154
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.039
<v Speaker 2>got away from them. I think.

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01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I do remember being at the movie theater and

1156
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:24.480
<v Speaker 1>they had I'll go Crazy if I don't go Crazy

1157
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Tonight on one of the trailers, and I remember thinking, yeah, man,

1158
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:30.480
<v Speaker 1>they're they're working it, you know, getting that music out,

1159
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.239
<v Speaker 1>because you had to be creative in ways to get

1160
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.599
<v Speaker 1>it because it used to be just mtvvh one, get

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01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.199
<v Speaker 1>your Videos on, get the Radio Play Tour.

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01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.800
<v Speaker 2>They loaned that one out to BlackBerry for an ad

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01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 2>as well.

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01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:44.039
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was. Maybe that's where we were playing

1165
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that Blackberriod.

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01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they used that song for a couple of

1167
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 2>things along the line. But they really tried to get

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01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.840
<v Speaker 2>it out there. But I think they stumbled a bit

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01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:58.559
<v Speaker 2>with Get on Your Boots. That wasn't a song that

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01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:03.039
<v Speaker 2>really caught the attention of even YouTube fans tend to

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01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.800
<v Speaker 2>write it down as a least favorite song. And I

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01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.679
<v Speaker 2>actually kind of like it. And one of the things

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01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:15.039
<v Speaker 2>that I actually love about the book and going through

1174
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and looking up all these songs, I had never really

1175
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.599
<v Speaker 2>figured out what Get on Your Boots was about. Yeah,

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01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and then I found it was an interview in French,

1177
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.000
<v Speaker 2>was in a French magazine and Bono was talking about

1178
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.920
<v Speaker 2>being in the south of France and he went to

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01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.760
<v Speaker 2>the funfair with his wife and his daughter. He took

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01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the kids to the fair and they were there when

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01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the jets went I started flying overhead, going into Iraq

1182
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.599
<v Speaker 2>from the UK. And that's the whole backbone of Get

1183
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:50.760
<v Speaker 2>on Your Boots. It was get on your boots, were

1184
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.840
<v Speaker 2>going to war, rockets said the Funfair and the planes

1185
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.360
<v Speaker 2>going overhead. So it kind of added a layer to

1186
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:02.079
<v Speaker 2>that song. But I never really got and I wouldn't

1187
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 2>have picked up if I hadn't gone rooting around for

1188
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 2>some odd interview in some French magazine from ninety seven.

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01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Podcasts we'll be back after this.

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01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.239
<v Speaker 2>We'll be back with the Magic Tones for the Armada

1191
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.559
<v Speaker 2>rooms to our disco swing party after this shortbreak till then,

1192
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 2>don't you go change it.

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01:06:22.159 --> 01:06:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Another interesting aspect of this album is a moment of

1194
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:28.840
<v Speaker 1>surrender in terms of promotion or in terms of just

1195
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:33.679
<v Speaker 1>how that album was heard by a mainstream audience. I

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01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:36.079
<v Speaker 1>remember Rolling Stone had that as like the song of

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01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 1>the year or something like that, and that song wasn't

1198
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 1>played on the radio once, which was so you know,

1199
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that just said so much. It was like if Rolling

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01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Stone in the past had a YouTube song that was

1201
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:52.239
<v Speaker 1>like the song of the year, it would have been

1202
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 1>one of those songs that was all over the place.

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01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was on the radio, it was on

1204
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.800
<v Speaker 1>television everywhere, and I thought that was strange too.

1205
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Moment of surrender. I struggled to get into Moment of Surrender.

1206
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.599
<v Speaker 2>But it was one of those tour stops that was

1207
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:16.000
<v Speaker 2>promoting that album. I was in Dublin and my friend

1208
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Emma was beside me and she just closed her eyes

1209
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:24.599
<v Speaker 2>when Moment of Surrender started and I watched the tears

1210
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:27.480
<v Speaker 2>start coming down her cheeks. And it was the first

1211
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:30.079
<v Speaker 2>time I think I stopped and listened to the song

1212
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's become an absolute favorite, but it takes

1213
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.960
<v Speaker 2>me back to that night in Dublin under the stars

1214
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:42.159
<v Speaker 2>listening to that song. Wow, just one of those personal moments.

1215
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's just a quick statement. This is from Wikipedia.

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01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Although it was not released as a single, Rolling Stone

1217
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.199
<v Speaker 1>named Moment of Surrender the best song of two thousand

1218
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 1>and nine.

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01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:56.000
<v Speaker 2>They also listed it in their top five hundred Songs

1220
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:56.880
<v Speaker 2>of all Time.

1221
01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:58.719
<v Speaker 1>List YEP at one sixty.

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01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is as the first song that most people

1223
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:02.840
<v Speaker 2>have never heard.

1224
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it? Yeah? So let's move on now. Next three

1225
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 1>albums twenty fourteen Songs of Innocence, twenty seventeen Songs of Experienced,

1226
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:15.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three Songs of Surrender. So the first two

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01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:19.640
<v Speaker 1>comprised of originals or the last they reworking of previous songs. Now,

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01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:21.359
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I think song with Songs of Innocence,

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01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the one that was forced onto the iPods. That was

1230
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.479
<v Speaker 1>where that was a big right I'm.

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01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Gonna tell my iPods story.

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01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh go ahead, but that's the one right songs one. Yeah.

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01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit of a techie guy, so I saw

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01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.720
<v Speaker 2>that Apple could force stuff onto your phone. I turned

1235
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.840
<v Speaker 2>all that off. I made sure Apple wasn't putting anything

1236
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:46.199
<v Speaker 2>on my phone. So when you two forced that onto

1237
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 2>everybody's phone, I couldn't get it. I was in a panic.

1238
01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I spent three hours on the phone with Apple's technical

1239
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:56.600
<v Speaker 2>support try and get that.

1240
01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.399
<v Speaker 1>You were the reverse because all you ever here was

1241
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.600
<v Speaker 1>people pissed off. I don't want this on my phone.

1242
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was in a panic trying to get

1243
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:08.920
<v Speaker 2>that album. I could not get it for the life

1244
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 2>of me. And it was because I didn't trust out Apple.

1245
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I figured, what are they going to put on my phone?

1246
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Are they going to download some crap something? So I

1247
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.399
<v Speaker 2>turned it all off. The biggest YouTube in the world

1248
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 2>learned my last.

1249
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, did you think that was an obnoxious move? Or

1250
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:30.479
<v Speaker 1>you know that was all the kids like? You know,

1251
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.359
<v Speaker 1>come on, don't force me to listen to it. What

1252
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:33.680
<v Speaker 1>was your position on that?

1253
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that, yeah, it was it was obnoxious what

1254
01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:41.479
<v Speaker 2>Apple did. Apple shouldn't have done that. I don't think

1255
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 2>you too realize that's what they were going to do.

1256
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 2>And there's been some interviews since then that have suggested

1257
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.640
<v Speaker 2>that they thought you were going to have to opt in,

1258
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.000
<v Speaker 2>which I think would have been the better solution, but

1259
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 2>certainly got attention. And now it's the one thing you

1260
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:00.800
<v Speaker 2>hear about you two, no matter who's talking about, it's

1261
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.319
<v Speaker 2>always that damn album.

1262
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So now my question for you, though, is there

1263
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.159
<v Speaker 1>a connection between the three albums? Is the songs of

1264
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.680
<v Speaker 1>part of the three titles for a reason? To me,

1265
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it's here's here's my here's my limited YouTube knowledge assessment

1266
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Speaker 1>of these Okay. To me, it's a journey through the

1267
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:28.359
<v Speaker 1>band's childhood on the first one, adulthood on the second,

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<v Speaker 1>and then on the last. To me, it's a band

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01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:35.159
<v Speaker 1>no longer constantly determined to push forward as much but

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<v Speaker 1>embracing their past. Is that? How did I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're looking at a path. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>connecting tissue between what will probably be five songs of albums.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two more to come from what I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that was gonna be one of my questions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what's next?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think we have the full picture yet,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think innocence was their early days up until

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01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Josh Wittree. I think experience is looking back when they

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01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:16.520
<v Speaker 2>hit that crazy peak in adulthood, fame going around, Actung Baby,

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01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:21.600
<v Speaker 2>all of that chaos and craziness that followed them, the supermodels,

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01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the parties, all of that. I think surrender, like you said,

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01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.920
<v Speaker 2>is looking back and coming to terms with their whole career.

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01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Alder men, kind of looking back at their body of

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01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.439
<v Speaker 2>work and maybe a bit of maturity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, because I should mention I don't think I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it too. They're reworkings of previous songs. Those first two

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<v Speaker 1>original Yeah, yeah, these are reworkings of previous songs.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we don't know the titles of the next

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<v Speaker 2>two for sure. But Songs of a Cent keeps getting

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01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:59.359
<v Speaker 2>brought in, so and that's said to be a song

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01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:04.159
<v Speaker 2>of him and spiritual songs. So I think that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be more a older man looking towards his end.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, Okay, okay, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a very different album for you too.

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<v Speaker 2>I would almost argue that that might actually be them

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<v Speaker 2>looking to close or cap off their career at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it sucks to think of that, but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we just got the new Steven Tyler could he can't

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<v Speaker 1>sing anymore, so he said, that's it Aerosmiths. They're done,

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01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and that's where we're at right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But you got a few things before they get to

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<v Speaker 2>that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna tell you how much how much

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01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 1>longer do you think they have? Do you think they can?

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01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've got we've got people like Springsteen and

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01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Bob Dylan or we're doing it now into their seventies

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01:12:52.640 --> 01:13:00.000
<v Speaker 1>up right up through hitting the eighty Mark Stones guys

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01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.199
<v Speaker 1>right away, late sixties and what are the early sixties, mid.

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<v Speaker 2>Six Midsith Adams sixty five now, so you're heading retirement

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01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:16.039
<v Speaker 2>age for most of us. They're getting older. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Bono will continue on in some shape or form even

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<v Speaker 2>after you two may retire, But I don't know. I

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01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:27.920
<v Speaker 2>think you two have a couple of good albums left

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01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in them and maybe a couple of more tours, and

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01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.479
<v Speaker 2>then they'll probably start looking at doing less and less.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been seven years now since the last album of

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<v Speaker 2>new music.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been that long, Yeah, twenty seventeen. Time flies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well you did want to mention too, the Atomic City single,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the very latest that we've gotten from them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I forget is that in the newest? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>in the book?

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<v Speaker 2>It's in the final printed copy of the book. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the last minute request I caught when that they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing a new single to celebrate the Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 2>Sphere shows, so ask the publisher if they could make

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<v Speaker 2>room for one last song. So it's just a brief mention,

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<v Speaker 2>but the book is complete. It has everything up to date,

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<v Speaker 2>including Atomic Cities.

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<v Speaker 1>How nice is that? So? Atomic City? What's it about?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is your opinion of the song?

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<v Speaker 2>A touch of a love affair with Vegas, a little

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01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:41.319
<v Speaker 2>love letter to them. There's references to Lady Luck and Sinatra.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of that. The atomic side goes back to the

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01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:49.520
<v Speaker 2>atomic bomb testing in the desert outside of Las Vegas,

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01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:52.680
<v Speaker 2>so there's a lot of that. I think it was

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01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:57.840
<v Speaker 2>really done specifically for those shows that they were doing

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<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas as a way to promote them and

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01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.239
<v Speaker 2>to get it out there, and it was a way

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01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to remind people that hey, even though we're showing up

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01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:10.159
<v Speaker 2>on stage with a temporary drummer, here's Larry Mullen and

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<v Speaker 2>the first person we're going to show you on stage

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01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:16.119
<v Speaker 2>with us, that's Fear, is Larry Mullen in the Atomic

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<v Speaker 2>City video.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is there's a call back to a Blondie

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01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:26.800
<v Speaker 1>song called Me Right. There's like a post punk yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Blondie and Giorgio Moroder co writing credits on this song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the few times You two has put

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01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:35.600
<v Speaker 2>a co writing credits.

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<v Speaker 1>So so You Two is alive and well and we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to what's coming next. And in the book

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01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:44.640
<v Speaker 1>is out now You two, song by song. It's out

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01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:47.279
<v Speaker 1>through front Hill Media. You can find it wherever books

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01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.680
<v Speaker 1>are sold and Aaron where can people find you online

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01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:54.560
<v Speaker 1>if you want to plug the YouTube song site as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been working on a little fan site called YouTube

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01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:05.760
<v Speaker 2>song dot com since nineteen ninety five. It's probably the

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<v Speaker 2>oldest continual operated YouTube website under on the Internet these days.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a team of about half dozen of us

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01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.560
<v Speaker 2>that put in a few hours a week keeping it up.

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01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:27.159
<v Speaker 2>News shows big focus on collections and collectibles.

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01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:27.920
<v Speaker 1>So I love it so there was a time when

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<v Speaker 1>people were going to that website and you can hear

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01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.479
<v Speaker 1>the modem like the old dial up, the old dial

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01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.560
<v Speaker 1>up trying to get to the website. It goes back

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<v Speaker 1>that far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's been around longer than you two have

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01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:43.159
<v Speaker 2>had their own website and operations.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's awesome. Yeah, and if any anywhere people can

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<v Speaker 1>find you, I know you're on x or Twitter or

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01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:51.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever we call it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on Twitter. We've got a site account, YouTube songs,

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01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm also on there as YouTube wanderer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you two wonder at you two wonder?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, call back to one of my favorite songs, the

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01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.520
<v Speaker 2>one they did with Johnny Cash.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did an excellent job on the book, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad we were able to make contact and

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01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I was able to get you on the show because

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<v Speaker 1>this is you two man, The're right up there in

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01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:25.840
<v Speaker 1>my top five. So I was, yeah, looking very much

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01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:29.119
<v Speaker 1>forward to this interview. And again, congratulations on a great book.

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01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that.

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01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I really tried to

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01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:41.439
<v Speaker 2>put together something that didn't just stick to facts and figures.

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01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:46.239
<v Speaker 2>I wanted a little glimpse into where these songs ended

1387
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:51.039
<v Speaker 2>up in the world. Who has called them favorites, what

1388
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.920
<v Speaker 2>fans have taken and done with them. So it's a

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01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:57.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit of love affair with the songs, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it's a great series front Hill Media has. I

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01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.199
<v Speaker 1>think it's great as now we go into the next

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01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.720
<v Speaker 1>into the future with generations of fans that will discover

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01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:08.840
<v Speaker 1>these bands. It's a great way to to just to

1394
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:10.880
<v Speaker 1>get an idea of the body of work from these

1395
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.399
<v Speaker 1>from these bands, these great artists. You know, especially as

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01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:17.039
<v Speaker 1>the years go on, you know they're not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>wrong forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I went picked up the Abba book when I was

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01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.880
<v Speaker 2>writing mine just to have a look through at what

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01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:28.039
<v Speaker 2>they had done. I learned a lot about Abba I

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01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:31.720
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have known otherwise. So I hope the YouTube book

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01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:35.640
<v Speaker 2>brings a few people into the band, but may have

1403
01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:37.520
<v Speaker 2>missed out on a few things along the line.

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01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could read it from start to finish, or

1405
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:41.359
<v Speaker 1>you can just if you're listening to a YouTube song

1406
01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:43.319
<v Speaker 1>and you're curious about it, you just flip through and

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01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 1>find the entry and read about it. That's what I

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01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:48.399
<v Speaker 1>love about these books. It's great, so great. Yeah, thanks

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01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 1>again erin Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the books.