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Speaker 1: Kathleen Lawn ordered Toronto. That means did you go into

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Toronto itself? Because when it comes to weather and things

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like that, I mean, to me, I always think of rain,

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cold Canadian weather. But yet at the same time, I mean,

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it's got its own personality to all to itself.

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't know what it feels like to

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be in Toronto if you haven't been outdoors in.

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Speaker 3: February, snow up to your knees, freezing gold. And we

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get there.

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Speaker 2: We actually had a conversation first in the first season

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about whether or not we get to wear perkas and hats,

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and we're like, this is Toronto, Like you can't anyone

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who's here knows what it feels like to go through

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that time and then to come out on the other side.

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And it is not a place for the faint of heart,

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but it's real and we get into it. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic that CW has teamed up with

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Law and ordered Toronto to put this on. And the

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reason why is because Toronto has always been that city

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of mystery. We've always heard about it because Drake is

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from there and so is the Weekend. Yeah, and you

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hear about all these great things. But now you're taking

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us to the streets of Toronto, which really does excite me.

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Speaker 3: Oh thanks for saying that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's so cool to hear because it

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is a city that's so.

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Speaker 3: Close to my heart.

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Speaker 2: I grew up just outside of Toronto in a city

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called Hamilton, moved to Toronto and my teams.

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Speaker 3: I feel it's so interesting because I feel like I

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know it so well. And then over the.

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Speaker 2: Course of the shoot, we you know, I'm discovering things

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that I never never existed. I'm getting into neighborhoods that

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I know of but I haven't been able to experience

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from the inside. So, you know, the way that law

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and Order, the original law and Order to me when

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I was a kid, gave me an idea of what

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New York was like. I really I really felt like, oh, like,

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that's that place. And I think we get to sort

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of help construct an idea of what Toronto is outside

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of our borders as well.

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Speaker 3: And it's a fascinating place.

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Speaker 2: It really really is, and it's it's got so many

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distinct little corners of it and that's what makes it.

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It's sort of like a like a tapestry or mosaic.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing kind of uniform about it, and so we

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get to show it in all of it's you know,

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all of it's kind of diverse glory.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's a real it's a real honor.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's got to be a cool city. And the

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reason why is because my church Elevation with Pastor Fredick,

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they opened up a church in Toronto ten years ago

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and it's been a major success up there. And it's like,

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so it's all it wins so big in my heart

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every single day.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool, I mean I think people will fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like having those connections, I think is really really

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what's going to make this hit for people too. And

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I think, you know, this is a moment where you know,

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where were we talk a lot about differences right in

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our cultural conversations, Canada being a different place, Like is

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that going to translates to the States when people watch

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the show? And I think there are you know, there

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are things that are different about the way we do

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things up here. But I think the real headline is

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like there's a lot of stuff that bridges us. And

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I think whatever it is about, whether it's like you know,

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a certain cultural community or a way that we you know, that.

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Speaker 3: We operate, or some of the architecture landscape, or some

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is that people I think will feel familiar

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about this place even if they've never been is exciting

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to me because I think we, you know, bridging things

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feels like an important and important thing these days.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, in watching Law and Order Toronto, the

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one thing that I have done so much, especially lately,

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is that you guys put focus on criminal intent. Just

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those two words alone. I bet I could write several

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books just on those two words, because it says criminal intent. Okay,

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what was the intent? Let's start asking the questions and

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questioning the answers, and let's build a story here that

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we think we know, but let's get to know it.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: You're so smart to say that is that is exactly

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the show. That's the heart of the show. And to me,

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that's that's the fascinating thing about this. I mean, we

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can get into forensic details, and we do, surely, but

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you know what, really this is a show, much like

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the Vincentinofria version in the States, that is really preoccupied

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with motive.

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Speaker 4: And I think what becomes the sort of interesting road

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of that line of inquiry is like, who are the

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humans behind these crimes?

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Speaker 3: What do what makes people do this?

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Speaker 2: And uh, and then when we get into things like, okay,

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it's interpersonal, it's historical, what's their childhood life? Also, what's

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the ecosystem they're living in? What are the what are

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the challenges, what are the you know, what are the

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things that people are up against in society that kind

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of force them to do things that are outside of

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you know, what they would ever think they could. So

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that those questions are what really guide the show. And

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I think for me anyway, that's that's that's the that's

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the goal.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Kathleen Monroe coming

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up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation

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with Kathleen Monroe from the TV show Law and Order

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Toronto on c W.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: I love the way that you bring in the human

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part of this, because you know, before the crime, they

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were human. They may have done some odd things, but

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because I am so tired of people looking at a

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photograph saying, yeah, he's got a nose like a criminal.

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Oh his eyes, it's him, it's him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, some of the really fun stuff.

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we get it wrong for a bit. We think, we know,

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we're kind of pigeonholing someone based on whatever our assumptions

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are or what the stuff looks like on the surface,

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and then we really have to dig deeper and go, okay,

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but what are we not seeing? And I think to

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watch that happen does sort of challenge our notions.

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Speaker 3: Of like who do we think is good? Who do

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Speaker 2: And what we talk about also sometimes on the show

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is you know, who is the bad guy here?

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Speaker 3: Is it the person who committed the crime? Sure? Is

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it a killer? Sure?

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Speaker 2: But is the bad guy actually the circumstance that this

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person's found themselves in. And if you can imagine yourself,

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if you can imagine yourself in this scenario, yourself, you

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know where it's choosing between you know, someone else's life

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and the life of your mother, your life or you

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Speaker 3: What are the lines that.

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Speaker 2: We can kind of blur between criminal and non criminal?

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makes it for it makes for a dynamic, dynamic show

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and you know, some thought afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I think that I applaud CW and

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I think that they're the gutsy network they always have been.

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I mean, we're going to get to see the raw

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side of Toronto and once again, because I love Toronto

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so much, to me, it's OZ. But then we're all

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learning from Wicked that OZ isn't so perfect and so,

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and I think that's what we're going to flow you

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out about this as well.

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Speaker 3: Totally, totally.

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Speaker 2: I think whatever impression you have of Canada, whatever impression

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you have of Toronto, you're going to get that challenged.

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where everybody's nice to each other, like I can tell

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you it's not. And we also have beautiful people here

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and we do have some really phenomenal things, so it's

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not like there's no there's no one version of this city.

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Speaker 3: There's no one version of this country.

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Speaker 2: And I think to challenge the ideas of you know, again,

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whether it's positive negative, somewhere in between, being able to

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flesh out a version of a place and being able

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to export a show that gets so deeply into the.

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Speaker 3: Specific little pockets of this city.

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Speaker 2: We just get to make a little bit more of

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a robust impression of what we're like up here.

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Speaker 3: And again, I think it's going to be I hope

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Speaker 2: To be interesting for people to see where they relate,

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where they don't, where their expectations are challenged, or you know,

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what they learn.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm part of that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think you just described Sergeant Frankie. I mean, in

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all honesty, I see Sergeant Frankie as you know, with

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a nine year old girl who probably thinks that she's

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already seventeen years old. I mean, I mean, you face

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this is where Julia was when I was a kid,

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this is this is my three sons. This is a

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single parent taking care of a family, and that is

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going on in real life. And I really do think

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that people will levitate toward her story.

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Speaker 3: It's a really lovely you know, attention to that detail

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in the show. Thank you. I mean I think it

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I because you know, these these procedurals

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really really center some of themselves around the cases, but

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it's not interesting if we don't have human beings behind

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the work. So being able to kind of play with

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that idea of like, she has a kid at home

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all the time, So to what extent does she need

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to be doing what she's doing on the job that

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it's taking her away from dinner with her daughter. She's

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a single mom to like to not be there for

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Speaker 3: I think that that guides me, even if it's not

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said out loud. Every episode, every episode, I'm thinking about that.

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of a like current underneath, because it's like, this is

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why I'm doing what I'm doing. Otherwise I'm just you know,

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I'm a detective just saying lines, and I think that

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it's it's a real, real, you know, smirting on the

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part of the writers to incrouve things like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think again, it's like we play

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in this show detectives at the top of their game,

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something really complex or something that's really hard to figure out.

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Speaker 3: And so we're supposed to be really good at our jobs.

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We're supposed to be really smart.

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to be able to look at a crime

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scene and sort of figure out what happened from a

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bunch of different perspectives. But you know, I think what

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really sets sets these characters apart. I mean, and they

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have a pretty you know, idiosyncratic odd couple dynamic, which

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is really fun to play, But it is that emotional intuition.

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It's the thing that goes, Okay, yeah, all the facts

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line up to say this, but something doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Sit right with me. So I'm going to go in

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Speaker 2: And it's always in that mode of the show that

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we get the answers we really need.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Next question?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I am on the only social media I

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Speaker 3: That's kind of the place where I pop in, and

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you know, I really love to hear from people.

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Speaker 2: It's such a nice thing to be able to interface

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with with folks who watch the stuff that I get

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to do, and it's just, uh, yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that you're part of today's storytelling

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because we are into this kind of stuff and it

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just really makes it so much better when it comes

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to you know, just basically running away from everyday life

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so we can run into this storyline.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate that so much. Thanks for talking to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, please come back to this show any time in

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the future. The door is always going to be open

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for you.

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Speaker 3: Would love to thank you.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: Be brilliant today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you too,