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<v Speaker 1>I was implored by our fellow post to bring back

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<v Speaker 1>a certain segment, and I think that this particular one

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<v Speaker 1>actually in endures, not endoors, but it deserved. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to Alabama, of all places where they

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<v Speaker 1>have a step in the right direction, step.

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<v Speaker 2>In the right direction. Yes, step in the right direction. There,

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<v Speaker 2>step step step in in the right direction. Yeah, Kelly, No,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob has a story. Sorry, thanks, Cynthia.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's me. Here we go. After Roe versus Wade

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<v Speaker 3>was overturned in twenty twenty two, several states criminalized abortion.

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<v Speaker 3>Among them was Alabama. After the overturning, I personally saw

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<v Speaker 3>many people go online Facebook in the session say things like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you ever need a place to go

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<v Speaker 3>while you see some doctors, you could hit me up. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 3>we're creating an underground railroad sort of support network for people.

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<v Speaker 3>Now these states where it was criminalized, you can criminalize

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<v Speaker 3>the mother. This is sad, but permissible under the new laws.

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<v Speaker 3>The doctor again said, but piscible, permissible. But did you

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<v Speaker 3>ever think that the Alabama's Attorney General, Steve Marshall, would

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<v Speaker 3>sue people out of his own state for conspiracy? However,

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<v Speaker 3>federal judge Myron Thompson has ruled that the Attorney General

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<v Speaker 3>Marshall cannot as that would interfere with their protected First

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<v Speaker 3>Amendment rights, as well as the right to travel in

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<v Speaker 3>the US of A. This story is from Metro by

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Hooper on April first of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Rob, I appreciate that. So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the person who has also another womb.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Jay, is this good news? Is it good news?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I mean the title of the article

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<v Speaker 4>was major win for abortion rights in the US, and

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<v Speaker 4>I would feel good about this outcome, but I just can't. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a big deal, Okay, it's a big deal

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<v Speaker 4>for Alabama because abortion is flat out and there's no exceptions,

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<v Speaker 4>not even for rape or incest, which also includes underage victims. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like children, a little girl. But that is exactly

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<v Speaker 4>why I cannot feel positive about this, Just because, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not going to get punished for helping someone you know,

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<v Speaker 4>drive someone elsewhere for an abortion. This situation is still

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<v Speaker 4>really really awful. They still have to drive somewhere else

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<v Speaker 4>to get the procedure, and if you really think about it,

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<v Speaker 4>it's really depressing because This means that the residents of

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<v Speaker 4>Alabama have less abortion rights than women in the United

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<v Speaker 4>Arab Emirates, which is an Islamic country. They passed laws

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<v Speaker 4>last year to allow women to get abortions if they're

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<v Speaker 4>raped or in cases of incess. So you know, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>women in Alabama are alone half of the US now

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<v Speaker 4>half with stays in the US have abortion bands that

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<v Speaker 4>don't give any type of accesss for incense, including uh

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<v Speaker 4>well lived like Texis, so many of the other southern

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<v Speaker 4>red states like Oklahoma, Luisiana, Tennessee. I mean, yeah, Alma obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I mean, remind me how this is happening in

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<v Speaker 4>the so called land of the Free.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, even if we put it to the

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<v Speaker 1>states that do give an allowances for raping incests, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times they don't allowances for rape and incests.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like we covered a story about a young

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<v Speaker 1>person who was thirteen years old who was raped in Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>where they have on the books you're supposed to give

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<v Speaker 1>allowances for raping incests, and they didn't allow it for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She ended up having a baby because her mother was

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<v Speaker 1>not did not have enough money to take her to

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<v Speaker 1>the nearest place for her to get an abortion, which

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<v Speaker 1>was in Chicago, Illinois, which is over nine hours away.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's always some type of caveats when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to some of these, like you know, trigger laws as

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<v Speaker 1>they were called once Rob Waite was overturned. But Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>is this anything new for Alabama?

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<v Speaker 5>No, No, not at all. Alabama has a history of

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<v Speaker 5>getting involved with other states laws that this is all

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<v Speaker 5>the way back in eighteen fifty a. They were one

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<v Speaker 5>of the states that arguing for the Fugitive Slave Act

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<v Speaker 5>to be passed so that a runaway slave who had

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<v Speaker 5>made it to a free state where they were saved

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<v Speaker 5>could be put in chains and hauled back to be

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<v Speaker 5>chatteled once again in states just like Alabama. So this

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<v Speaker 5>shit is nothing new to them, nothing new at all.

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<v Speaker 5>And what really gets me about this is the GOP's

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<v Speaker 5>continued proclamation of being for states rights. They obviously don't

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<v Speaker 5>give a shit about states rights if those rights go

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<v Speaker 5>against their own agenda, as they do in this case.

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<v Speaker 5>This is one more case of the total hypocrisy and

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<v Speaker 5>within this polytical machine, and it's this open hypocrisy, open

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<v Speaker 5>hypocrisy like this that creates the distrust in the government,

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<v Speaker 5>which actually could be a good thing in some ways.

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<v Speaker 5>All you need, folks, is faith in the system. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>faith in the system. It's what keeps them in power.

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<v Speaker 5>And think back to our regularly scheduled show.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're not fully respecting Alabama's states rights to

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<v Speaker 3>travel in other states that if they had just had

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<v Speaker 3>the correct rights to begin with, we wouldn't be here, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But what's the unfortunate part, Rob, Well, the unfortunate part

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<v Speaker 3>is back to it's similar to Oklahoma. It's it's the

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<v Speaker 3>continuing chipping of trying to just get away with more

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<v Speaker 3>and more shit. Like the reason so the reason why

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<v Speaker 3>this is actually astounding to me is because it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>like worse than Walter I believe, right, because at least

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<v Speaker 3>they're not loyal here, Like presumably they know the law

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<v Speaker 3>and the jurisdiction of any given power is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the first things that you have to establish and abide by.

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<v Speaker 3>So like the fact that they want to just completely

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<v Speaker 3>ignore their own jurisdiction and go beyond that is like

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<v Speaker 3>it's worse than overreach, right, Like it's heinous, it's insane,

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<v Speaker 3>I I it's it is Harry Potter and the goal

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<v Speaker 3>of this bastard, like that's that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have a question for all of you, in

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<v Speaker 1>what ways can community organizations because, like we establish in

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<v Speaker 1>another episode this week, that change does not happen from

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<v Speaker 1>the ground from the down, but from the ground up,

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<v Speaker 1>So how can communicate So in what ways can community

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<v Speaker 1>organizations continue to support reproductive rights in states with extreme

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<v Speaker 1>band aj? I would like for you to start and

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<v Speaker 1>then Rob and then Kelly again.

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<v Speaker 4>You know when we discussed this in one of the

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<v Speaker 4>last episodes that we quoted, and I think that the

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<v Speaker 4>main thing that people can do is to continue to

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<v Speaker 4>push the lawmakers that are putting out these laws, Like

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<v Speaker 4>even if you live in a red state, still continue

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<v Speaker 4>to write letters, to show up at the door of

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<v Speaker 4>your representatives. Okay, I'm sorry, like their public office. Don't

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<v Speaker 4>go to their house. Please, don't be a stalker. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, show up, like stand up, speak up, don't

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<v Speaker 4>stay quiet, and you know, just take it, don't just

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<v Speaker 4>take it. That's the best way that we can hope

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<v Speaker 4>as individuals we can help these community organizations to help

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<v Speaker 4>these people that are you know, who's whose rights are

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<v Speaker 4>being taken away.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be hard because ultimately, really the only

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<v Speaker 3>thing they can do in my mind is vote out

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<v Speaker 3>to people and get other people voted in. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>why they wanted to try to prosecute people out of

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<v Speaker 3>state who are helping the travel due to conspiracy. The

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<v Speaker 3>reason why they can to do it is because it's

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<v Speaker 3>outside of their jurisdiction. However, if the community within Alabama

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to help the people get abortions, then they

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<v Speaker 3>are perfectly within the state of Alabama to be prosecuted

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<v Speaker 3>for conspiracy. So that's insane. So yeah, do the voting,

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<v Speaker 3>get them out, and then if you're feeling up to

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<v Speaker 3>it and you're spicy, then like literally create another underground

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<v Speaker 3>railroad to hide and keep secret these people who need

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<v Speaker 3>those things, because that's the only other way they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to do it without actually being prosecuted

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<v Speaker 3>for conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I need everybody to read the story of Harriet

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<v Speaker 1>Tutman if they really want to understand the underground railroad,

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<v Speaker 1>how it worked and how also human beings powered it

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get x LLave safe. And I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with the point where and I know that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all you black acts that actually have watched this youse,

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<v Speaker 1>do not like beat you down for like making equivocation

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<v Speaker 1>of the underground slave underground railroad with you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>happened today. But you know, even as the Bible says

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<v Speaker 1>there's no new thing under the sun, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>such thing that us, the people that's on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>can actually set up network to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>people to safety in order for them to get the

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<v Speaker 1>services they need. You know, back in eighteen fifty, eighteen forty,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty, it was getting slave, getting x slaves to freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whether it's to the north or even all

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<v Speaker 1>the way up to Canada. Nowadays it's helping those who

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability to become pregnant get to states where

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have these draconian laws that would keep them

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<v Speaker 1>from being able to make decisions on what they can

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<v Speaker 1>and cannot do over their bodies. And I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>it's contingent on all of us who call ourselves humanists,

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<v Speaker 1>call ourselves activated in this space to help in some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of way within their capacity to make this happen. Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 5>You know what, I have a lot of thoughts here.

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<v Speaker 5>One we were talking about what we can do in

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<v Speaker 5>the community. One of the big movers and shakers in

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<v Speaker 5>the community has been Planned Parenthood, and they have been

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get rid of that for years, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>afraid that they are going to Now there's a bill

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<v Speaker 5>in Congress right now to defund it. This is something

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<v Speaker 5>the GOP has wanted for a long fucking time, and

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<v Speaker 5>they've got the ability to do it, So I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's going to happen. So that so one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things that we need to do as a community is

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<v Speaker 5>to step up and help them stay in operation. They

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<v Speaker 5>are going to need funding. So if you're looking for

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<v Speaker 5>things in the community to do, help fund Planned Parenthood.

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<v Speaker 5>Another thing I wanted to mention was these these lawsuits

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<v Speaker 5>that these here against people that they have no jurisdiction of.

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<v Speaker 5>We talked earlier this week about Ryan Walters bringing a

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<v Speaker 5>lawsuit that really has no constitutional bearing, and and they

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<v Speaker 5>these guys are not stupid. They know they are not

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<v Speaker 5>going to win these lawsuits, but they make headlines, they're

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<v Speaker 5>in the news. I'm out there, I'm out there being

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<v Speaker 5>a Christian warrior. I'm on the front lines. I'm fighting

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<v Speaker 5>for you and your and the Bible so that we

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<v Speaker 5>can put God before everything, and that's why they're doing this.

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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly why they're doing this. So I mean that's

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<v Speaker 5>maybe one of the things we need to do is

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<v Speaker 5>fight back against that message that there's a reason why

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<v Speaker 5>we don't want the Bible out there in front of

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<v Speaker 5>our government. Right, and then you mentioned that the changing

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<v Speaker 5>of the underground railroad, and something I've been saying for

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<v Speaker 5>once now is that we might have to have a

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<v Speaker 5>rainbow railroad going up to Canada. So and then I hate.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, right near Canada, I'm sure I could find

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<v Speaker 5>some boats to take people across Lake Superior. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>volunteering to be the last stop on the railroad.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, listen, I am all about you. Guys. If you

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<v Speaker 1>are in the States right now, find a place where

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<v Speaker 1>they sell really good poutine because you're gonna need it

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<v Speaker 1>if you decide to go ahead, you know, and get

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<v Speaker 1>used to seeing and knowing what that really means. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you guys, this is give me a

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<v Speaker 1>little breathing. I do have. So, in a critical win

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<v Speaker 1>for human rights and bodily autonomy, a federal judge has

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<v Speaker 1>ruled that Alabama cannot prosecute individuals who help women for

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<v Speaker 1>people who are able to become pregnant travel out of

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<v Speaker 1>state for abortion care. This decision affirms what many of

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<v Speaker 1>us already know. Basic freedoms, including the right to travel

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<v Speaker 1>and the right to offer help, do not vanish at

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<v Speaker 1>the state line. Attorney General Steve marshall attempt to weaponize

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy law to intimidate helpers was not about protecting law.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about punishing dissent and expanding control.

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<v Speaker 2>If it had.

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<v Speaker 1>Succeeded, it would have set a chilling precedent that a

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<v Speaker 1>state could oppose its narrow ideology far beyond its borders,

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<v Speaker 1>even on actions perfectly legal elsewhere. This really reminds that

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<v Speaker 1>reproductive freedom, like a civil like all civil rights, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>depend on geography and all and for all organizations like

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<v Speaker 1>Yellowhammer Fund, it means that they can once again support

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<v Speaker 1>low income people without fear of being criminal. Let's be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>no one should face prosecution for helping someone access medical care,

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<v Speaker 1>and seeking an abortion is absolutely medical care, and no

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<v Speaker 1>state has the right to trap its citizens within its

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<v Speaker 1>own ideology. This fight isn't just about abortion. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>our shared freedom, dignity, and moral