Speaker 1: At stop and stopping and stop to extant.
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode three of Mapping Bigfoot,
and tonight's guest is doctor Mark Meriwether Vorderbrugen, PhD. He's
a very interesting guy that I just happened to come
across on my Instagram feed and I could not get
off of his account. Then I found his website and
I could not get off of that, and then my
wife called me to bed. So I had to have
him on the podcast because I think he's going to
share with us a lot of interesting tidbits, a lot
of interesting insights, a lot of interesting facts about what
sasquatch or Bigfoot might eat in the field and how
that might affect the ecology of the area, etc. Etc.
Let me run through his bio here because it's very impressive,
just so you guys know a little bit about his background,
and then I'll bring him on and we can get started.
Doctor Mark Meriweather Voordebergen, PhD is often somewhat jokingly described
as a scientist raised by wolves. Having a MS in
medicinal chemistry and a PhD in physical organic chemistry, he
brings science into the world of wild, edible and medicinal plants.
On the science side, he has sixteen patents. I've never
talked to anybody with sixteen patents by the way, ever,
so I'm already out of my league. But this is
really exciting. And numerous articles and research journals from his
career as a chemist, but his true love is plants
and the miracles they contain. Since two thousand and eight,
his website Forgingtexas dot com has been one of the
top wild edible slash medicinal plant sites on the Internet.
He's written countless forging articles for a wide variety of magazines,
taught hundreds of forging walkabouts, appeared on radio, TV, and
podcast galore podcasts like this one or maybe like this one.
I don't know how many bigfoot podcasts he's been on.
We'll have to ask. Wrote the acclaimed books Idiot's Guide
to four, an outdoor adventures guide for foraging, and was
co creator of the Wazoo survival gear foraging Bandana. In
twenty twenty, he made the biggest leap of his life
to become the Medicine Man from Medicine Man Plant Company,
where he can finally bring forth the ancient plants that
can still help with modern issues. In addition to all this,
in twenty twenty four, he started the Texas Village Healer
Initiative with the goal of training an herbalist healer for
every town, village, and neighborhood. And without further ado, let
me bring him on to the stage here so he
can say hello to everyone. Let's see add to stage. Well, welcome,
doctor Meriweather. How are you today?
Speaker 3: I am doing great. I'm really excited to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you for coming. That's a heck
of an intro. When you first sent it to me,
I was like, wow, Like it's very impressive. I'm very
grateful to someone of your stature on the show. Thank you,
Thank you for coming on my joke as.
Speaker 3: I weaponized my AHD, you know, attention deficit disorder and
turned it to a force of good.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. I hope if you
wouldn't mind tell us a little more in your own
words about you know, foraging Texas and your initiative and
your passion for all of the things you do. I
don't even know where to start what to ask you
about it. There's so much to talk about.
Speaker 3: So actually I can help you there because I've done
a few of these. I'm originally from Minnesota. That's where
I was born and raised, and that's where I had
my first knowledge of Bigfoot. Every summer, our boy Scout
group would go to the Mini Point Scout camp up
in northern Minnesota, and the Legends of the Bigfoot of
the Sasquatch was there, and they actually in the lodge.
They had a plaster cast of it. But that's also
where I first started learning foraging. Both my parents were
children of the Great Depression, and one of the ways
people go through that terrible time was through their knowledge
of wild edible plants. I have two brothers. My older
brother is ten months older. My younger brother is thirteen
months younger. My parents quickly figured out the only way
they were going to survive the three of us is
if they took us out into the woods every day.
We figured out how to get home, but they kept trying.
But while we were out there, they just taught us
what they learned when they were growing up out in
the wild. And so there was this bond from the
absolute beginning of being out in the wild, and that
has guided my entire career. I've always been fascinated. Here's
the secret. I'm actually kind of lazy, and nature has
solved so many problems already that in my career as
a chemist, my specialty was basically stealing ideas from other
nature and passing them off as mine. It worked really well,
Like I said, sixteen patents, but biomimicry. So you know,
nature is amazing, and hopefully by the end of the
podcast you'll have even a better idea of of how
amazing nature is and in particular how non human creatures
acts us and utilize it.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to get into that, but first I've
got to say we got a little bit in common.
My parents also kicked us out. I'm one of three
boys as well. I happen to be the oldest, so
we have that in common. And they definitely kicked us out.
We've grown up in upstate New York, and they were
just like, get out, it's a nice day, get out
of the house. So I know exactly what you mean
when you say that, because we were pretty much wild
animals ourselves. So if it was out there to forage
in New York, blackberries and birch bar you know, the
birch twigs that tastes like root beer and all those
kinds of things. We learned very quickly what the tasty
treats are out in out as you say that mother
nature provides, So I guess that's a great segue into
kind of the first part of the chat that I
want to have is wilderness food sources. So what types
of food sources are available in the wild that could
sustain As you allude to a non human creature that's
pretty large, like Bigfoot, I'd imagine there's a ton, but
it could vary depending on what part of the country
you're in, what kind of environment you're in, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Okay, good question, and the best way to go about
answering this is to talking a bit about the digestive tract,
basically that of humans and then that of all the
other primates. Really, because the assumption is Bigfoot is a primate,
Humans have a very very interesting digestive system. Compared to
all the primates, ours is significantly shorter. Our small intestines
are significantly shorter than any other primate when you take
overall body size. The reason for this is we figured
out how to cook food. By cooking food, we're breaking
it down, we're making it more digestible, so we are
able to get more nutrients from it, so we didn't
have to spend as much time and energy to gather
up all this food. Now, if you say you look
at a gorilla or chimpanzee and assume there hasn't been
any indication that sasquatch had, I'm going to call it
sasquatch because that's what I grew up. I go back
and forth.
Speaker 2: It depends on the conversation. So I think I go
for it. Whatever you're most comfortable with everybody, and everybody
will know, okay.
Speaker 3: So assuming the sausquatch digestive system is more similar to
say a gorilla, let's focus on that. Looking at a gorilla,
they spend about fifty percent of their waking time eating.
About forty seven percent of the food they're eating during
that time is fruits, and the main reason for fruits
is well, for one thing, gorillas don't normally go and
drink from streams or puddles or anything. They actually get
a majority of their water from their food rather than
slurping up a pond water or something like that. So
they are not limited to being around bodies of water.
We can assume the same with subsquatch.
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question there really quickly? I'm sorry
to jump in, but no, it's something you sparked the
curiosity there when you said the gorillas get most of
their water from the food they eat. Is that also
an evolutionary benefit to avoid parasites, for example, and things
like that that may be lurking in that stagnant water
that they would have to drink from.
Speaker 3: Most definitely, I would say probably more the bacteria type
like stuff like yeah, yeah, protozoa, things of that nature,
because there's tapeworm and pinworms and everything else all over
the ground too. Okay, So but it definitely it definitely helps.
It makes life easier. You're not tied into a space.
But again, looking at.
Speaker 2: That, the.
Speaker 3: Normal range of a gorilla is let's see, sorry, I
have to look at my notes here, please, Okay, Yeah,
the home the home range of a gorilla is about
one to five miles. They spend their life in that
area and they only move about one third of a
mile per day. Okay, so they're not moving very far.
And so if you don't have to go find water
and so forth, that allows him to go in the
deep jungle in the you know, the places where there
may not be standing water all the time. But so
they're going back, they're eating their food. Overall, they eat
about forty pounds of plant material per day. Let me
let me back that up, depending on the primate, but
so like the gorilla, it's mainly forty pounds of plant material.
Gorillas have also been known to eat some insects, snails,
even a small lizard occasionally, and those are some of
the protein sources, but it's mainly plant matter. And of
that plant matter, about forty seven percent is fruit, and
people think, okay, fruit high in sugar calories. That's where
they're getting their calories. Because the basic gorilla five eleven
five hundred pounds, the estimate is around eight thousand calories
per day. That's a lot, even if you're eating I'm
not going to do the math. Forty seven percent of okay,
I'm going to do the math. It's around eighteen pounds
of fruit that they're eating. And people like that, so
that's where they're getting I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, how do you like them? Apples?
Speaker 3: I say, I'm a dad. I love puns, So yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm a dad now too. So you're gonna I'm gonna
sprinkle them in. Feel free by all means please.
Speaker 3: Oh, excellent, excellent. But truly, where they get a lot
of the calories is from the leaves and the pith
of plants and what we normally consider to be the
insoluble cellulosic fiber. Okay, but their digestive system and their
teeth and their jaw as such, they spend a lot
of time showing the stuff up, grinding the plant material
up as small as they can get and they swallow it,
and then their digestive system with this huge long trail,
they can actually break the cellulose down into calories basically
long chain fatty acids and other compounds of carbohydrates. So
a lot of their calories are simply coming from leaves,
from bark, from twigs, from plant pits. So they the
fruit is great, But there's like chimpanzees on the savannah
that basically eat grass and leaves. There's not a lot
of food out there, right, So when it comes down
to Sasquatch, it is believable that he spends a lot
of time just eating leaves and you know, stationary grabbing
what he can eat and shoving in his mouth. So
I'm I was doing some math, because you know, I'm
a scientists, and so forth, looking at you know, the gorillas,
and then scaling it up to the gidenta gigantapithesis that
the big.
Speaker 2: Prehistoric epithecus.
Speaker 3: There we go, I think identipithecus. And so ten people
about one hundred and ten sorry one pounds, estimated calorie
requirement in was about sixteen thousand calories.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow. Now one of the interesting things about his teeth
what they found. I love ah history and all this stuff,
So I had to go down the rabbit hole of
you know, what do we know about their teeth? Because
the teeth tell you a lot about the diet. Giant molars,
very strong jaws, very adept at grinding up the plant material,
the leaves, the twigs, that sort of thing. But also
there are some other interesting wear marks on them that
indicated he was also hehy was also pulling up roots
and tubers. There are signs that there was dirt attached
to the food that the gigantopithesis was eating. And so
if we throw roots and tubers in there, that actually
increases the foodsers because a lot of roots and a
lot of plants store calories down in the roots, so
it makes it that much easier. Right. It also gives
you a sign to look for of holes in the
ground once you identify particular plants that produce a I'm
not going to say edible tuber, just a tuber because
and we say edible tuber, we're talking human not other creatures.
And we know, you know, dogs can't take chocolate, you know,
things like that. Just because the wing is not edible
for us does not mean it wouldn't be edible for
the ages.
Speaker 2: I have a question for some of the listeners when
you say tubers, what would be an example of a
well known plant like a cattail, Right, is that a tuber?
Speaker 3: That would be a rhizome.
Speaker 2: But a potato okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a potato is like a you know, a
tuber is a lump of starch basically. Okay, so a potato,
jerusalm arta choke. Those are out there that grow the
elephant ear tao, Okay, those sort of things. One of them. Oh,
it's edible, but you have to treat it in a
special way otherwise it's like eating fiberglass.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well we'll have to stand after the show
for that one.
Speaker 3: Okay, a rhizome a so cattail rise. You have a
bunch of cattails and then they have a base with roots,
and then they'll have another root that runs across, and
then another set of cattails will run up, so you'll
have this thick root that connects the different cattail clusters,
and then that is an excellent sort of starch in
calories too. Okay, So going back to this, you know,
a one one one hundred pound creature needing sixteen thousand
calories a day. That sounds like something that would just
be you know, vacuuming up the ecosystem.
Speaker 2: It's like the size of a cow, right, and that's
that's a normal yeah, cattle.
Speaker 3: Because to put things in perspective, because that helps everyone
understand what we're talking about. A moose is bigger. Okay,
Mooses are around one thousand, six hundred pounds. We know
they eat seventy pounds of plants a day and they're
calories is way up there. So a moose theoretical, well,
a moose would very likely be eating more plant matter
per day than the gigantipithos.
Speaker 2: So I might I might title the episode uh, gigantopithecus.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 2: We might have to. That's so funny. So and.
Speaker 3: My I don't want to say encounters my my secondary
what would be close encounters of the second kind where
you know, basically talking to people that supposedly had encountered
and so forth. We're talking seven eight feet tall, maybe
maybe six hundred pounds something like that. So not the
giant gigantopithos GISs this this thing, So one could scale
back the diet. So, Uh, you mentioned you're a hunter.
I'm a hunter. I have not hunted moose. I've lived
in places where there are moose upstate New York, Vermont
and New Hampshire and all that sort of thing. In
those areas where there's a lot of intermingling of animals
and humans. Moose are everywhere Alaska. My brother lives up
in Alaska, so he has a moose eating his jack
lanterns every year.
Speaker 2: Right like the tea when you go Montana, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you go out into the wild, if
you hunt elk or moose up in Saskatchewan or something
like that, there's no guarantee you're gonna find one.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't I know? It sadly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's very possible. Where this is all taking us,
is that, yes, it would be very easy from a
food point of view for the Sasquatch to live in Saskatchewan,
the big thicket here in Texas, the big trackless wastelands
of wonderful nature that we generally haven't invaded yet.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting point because one of
the things I talked about. Being a G I. S guy,
my background is spatial analysis, right, so I talk about
you just touched on it, the big tractless wastelands quote unquote,
the vast the big trackless areas. Sure, yeah, but there's
the The landscape of North America alone is just so
vast when you really fly over and look and really
pay attention to areas like I just mentioned, for example, Wyoming,
the Mountain States, even Canada to Canada especially is really
sparsely populated and there's so much room for wildlife. And
I think talking about all these different areas as well
sparked another question for me. Like you said, there's a
lot of food out there, and I think we perhaps
were talking about it before the show started. But the Northeast,
for example, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York versus Texas is
a great example. Those foods that are available and the
resources that are available. In my opinion, and I'm a
lay person when it comes to really the detailed analysis
of what's available. But in my opinion or my assumption,
I should say that those two areas are going to
be vastly different. So is that going to influence the
foraging abilities of a creature like sasquatch? Is that going
to influence their diet, their health, the condition of their teeth,
all the above? Right? So what would be key differences
for some some areas across North America? Perhaps, Like what
would be your assumption that a creature like bigfootwood forage
in the Northeast versus the Pacific Northwest versus Texas, et cetera.
What are the key differences maybe that we could analyze
and look at and maybe help predict their behavior in
those areas.
Speaker 3: Excellent question. And before I get into that, let's keep
something in mind. The ecosystems that are there now, We're
not there five hundred years ago, two thousand years ago,
two hundred thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: It's a very good point.
Speaker 3: And so we've really altered, especially up in the New
England area and the upper North, like the Big Thicket
down here in Texas that still goes back to pre
Western invasion. So and same with a lot of the
Pacific Northwest. So like any like humans, really any subsquats
up there, had to adapt to these changes. Now, what
were they eating? One of the big differences between up
north and down here in Texas where we're located.
Speaker 2: Winter you hit my next question. Yeah, changes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so during the winter months there aren't all
the normal leaves there, aren't the maple leaves, aren't the
sweet m leaves, aren't you know, the cattail rhizomes all
that m Deer survive, moose survive, chipmunks, skunks, beavers, all
that survived. Who's to say the susquatch is not spending
part of its time gathering up storing the leaves or
something Elsewhere are they rating beaver dams for? You know,
the bark, because we that bark is one of the things,
not just the other bark, but also the inner bark.
If you've been in places with porcupine and deer in
the winter, you'll see the trees as high up as
the deer they're eating the bark on there. Just to
go sideways for a second, pine trees. You got a
lot of pine trees up there, the inner bark, the
cambium layer, the living layer with the xylomin floam. The
average calorie content of that is about four hundred to
six hundred calories per pound of fresh wet bark. So
there's bark, there's you know, the bark, there's the spruce tips,
the pine needles. That's not a problem for them to
eat one. I could assume, you know, any basically any
sort of plant. And also if they're getting their plant,
or if they're getting their calories from the breaking down
of the cellulose, the plant doesn't have to be fresh.
The dried leaves are still it's mainly the it's not
going to be the healthiest time of a year. But
definitely there's nothing to say with their digestive tract that
there's no reason they can't be eating the dead leaves
that they're finding or that they stored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I think you touched on a
really interesting thought for me that I can't believe I
never had. I'm actually embarrassed to say this, but perhaps
this is a whatever. I don't even care. That's why
we're having this podcast so we can have new thoughts
and outside perspectives. And the when you said perhaps they're
storing food, and I thought of squirrels, Right, they have innately,
they have that evolutionary behavior they're going to I mean,
that's how they It's a symbiotic relationship, I guess, between
oak trees and squirrels, right, that's how the oak trees
Germany and spread and squirrels survived the winter. And I've
just sat here picturing, you know, bigfoot picking up accorns,
you know, and putting them in a pot, hiding them
in a stump somewhere or something and last in the winter.
And that was such an interesting point because you know,
I've never read or talked to anybody in this like
on this side of it, in the community where people
even suggest that. So those are already two things you've
already mentioned in the time we've been on the call
signs to look for when they're digging for tubers or rhizomes.
And also then perhaps they gather and store food to
make it through the winter when food is scarce they
need higher chloric intake. All those types of things that's
a really interesting thought. I'm I'm definitely going to carry
that with me and perhaps make a map of trees
that have nuts and fruits like that that are available
throughout the winter and different you know, when food is scarce.
Really good thought. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 3: And just you mentioned squirrels. Squirrels aren't the only ones.
The different mice and they store food. Rats store food, beavers, muskrats,
things like that. They all gather stuff up for and
put it in their their hubble just to go sideways
for a second. Ye please, Jerusalem artichokes. It's a tuber
firm from a specific type of sunflower. The particular pack
rat would dig those up, store them and it's hollow
tree or its little nest, and then every soften the
Native Americans would come by and rate it and take
the troopers because they were food for them too, and
they would leave the mouse some tobacco as a gift
in exchange for the tubers. You took your food, but
have a smoke, kid, you know. So it's it's it's
not an uncommon thing in nature to store food. We
don't think of them doing that. You mentioned the scrolls
they bear, but take it another step. If you're out
in the woods and you see a pile of leaves,
are you going to think anything about this pile of leaves? No,
it's not even going to register moment. Yeah, and you
wouldn't happen to Wait, there's a mixture of leaves here,
you know, all kind of follow It's so something to
add to the the signs of subsquatch. That's very big
piles of leaves, especially a mixture.
Speaker 2: Mixture of leaves. Interesting, and I'm learning so much. This
is great. It's the fact that it's it's already a
common human behavior to raid stores from wildlife. That's I mean,
I'm sure that's doesn't a far it's not a far
leap for that to be perhaps a behavior that bigfoot
would have as well. So and other animals will also
raid other animals stores all the time, right, So this
is just very very informative. And we haven't even gotten
through the first second.
Speaker 3: And great, I'm thinking that the chimpanzees sticking the stick
into the tormat mound, but they're also going after honey.
A lot of primates understand honey, good stuff. Yeah, so yeah,
this is something that they have figured out. Other animals
may produce things that I want to eat.
Speaker 2: You mentioned, honey, and this this is actually one of
my next questions, and it's into the next category if
I can make the jump to medicinal plant use, because honey,
is I believe like nature's anti bacterial elixir? And one
of my questions is I think this is great that
you brought up, Honey. Is it possible or likely that
Bigfoot would use medicinal plants to survive or learn knowledge
about how plants you know, if it's sick, what plants
help it, or what plants keep, for example, eating certain
plants to keep maybe mosquitoes away or things like that. Right,
Is that likely or possible? Or do you know any
examples of animals that do that? Oh? Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: In the wild, quite a few different types of animals
have been noted as using plants in a medicinal way.
The reason they feel it is being used in a
medicinal way either the creature is using it in an
unusual way like rubbing it against its skin, okay, or
it's a plant that it wouldn't normally eat, but then
when it does eat it, they notice a change in
the health of the animal. So birds dogs, elephants, bears, weasels, monkeys, chimpanzees.
Chimpanzees have been seen to use thirteen different plants medicinally, orangutangs, bumabos,
and an assortment of monkeys. One of the really famous
studies of plants are animals using plants involved a troop
of monkeys. I want to say. It was down in
South America, yea. And for months the researchers track the
monkeys and one of the nice things about these monkeys
is in the morning, when it'd wake up, it would defecate.
It'd be up in the tree and it would defecate.
And so the researchers were able to track each monkey.
They you know, they had a number on each monkey,
and they could track the feces from it, and they
would study it over the course of this year to
see what changes in what was going on there. They
found a thing. As the content of worms increased in
the feces, there was a point where the monkey was
then seeing taking these certain leaves that it never ate otherwise.
They were very rough, scratchy leaves, and they would make
stacks of them and roll them up into a thick
tube and swallow it whole and then the next day
the feces would just be absolutely loaded with worms. And
so what the thing was doing is it was swallowing
this thing and it basically scraped along the intestines dislodging
the worms to reduce the worm load, which there's a
lot of stress and organisms.
Speaker 2: Like a pipe brush, right yeah, like yeah, wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, so that sort of thing. Yeah wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if hypothetically, I'm gonna throw a hip hypothetical
at you, if we're both in Texas, and if I'm
out in the Texas Prairie and i i I'm a
I'm a big foot or a sasquatch, and now I'm
I've somehow become loaded with parasites. What plants here or
locally would would I be looking for if I were
sasquatch in in a in a bad spot, I'm not
feeling good? What could I do to make you? Know,
to to recover?
Speaker 3: Okay? So down here in actually all across North America,
we have a very good tree that actually contains anti
parasitic compounds, and that is the black walnut, Okay, and
the leaves, the bark, the nut husks, and so forth.
There's a juggalone, which is very anti parasitic, so it's
very likely they would go that way, or yarrow or
roue or some of the other things that have those
anti parasitic rather than doing the scraping thing. But even
with the scraping thing, the slippery elm and the American elms,
they have these big leaves or about the size of
my hand, very rough. It's kind of interest because all
the hair is point in the same direction. So if
you start at the base of the leaf and stroke up,
the leaf feels smooth. But if you start start at
the top and stroke back, it's like a cat's tongue.
It's very rough. And so that would work the same way,
and it would require a slight better intelligence knowing I
got to feed it in the one way not the other.
So yeah, the tobacco and the different well, the birds
I mentioned birds is one of the animals that use
this medicine.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: They found that birds would start collecting in the cigarette
butts and putting them in the nest because the nicotine
and the other compounds and the tobacco reduced the ticks
in the you know, the the parasites in the nest,
and so the birds that collected the cigarette butts and
put them in their nests generally were healthier than the
ones that weren't doing.
Speaker 2: It, So they starts in general's warning.
Speaker 3: Yep, I have a smoked over back worms.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's that's really interesting. So I we've talked
about like food sources, medicinal plant use in in in nature.
But what about some forging techniques. So you alluded to
it earlier when you talked about signs to look for
when perhaps Bigfoot or an animal is digging for tubers.
So if I want to learn more about the techniques
that a creature like Bigfoot might use, what kind of
forging techniques? What should I look for? Or signs that
something has been there foraging?
Speaker 3: Ooh, okay, this is going to sound like I'm going
completely off topic, but try all means. Okay. Across North
America there is this thorny vine called the greenbrier, and
alternating leaves, two tenples at the base of each leaf,
and thorns along These things can grow thirty forty feet
up into trees. The thorns only go up about nine feet.
Above nine feet the thorns disappear. The reason being is
on North America there was no herbivore that could reach
up above nine feet, and so the thorns they helped
protect the plant. It's necessary to protect the plant. They
keep things from eating the plant. But they don't do
anything else. They don't add to the photosynthesis. They don't.
Really it's an energy cost center rather than you know,
it's like, you know, we need the military. Okay, we
got that. They're not making us money, they're not producing anything,
but they're there because we need them. But the vines
that figured out, you know I only needed up nine
feet above that, I don't need it. Where am I
going with this? If we're thinking about sasquatch, how high
can he or she reach? And if you spend all
day reaching for things above your head, that gets tiring.
That's a waste of energy. Think shoulder waist height, especially
waist tight you know, finding that right energy cost all
about energy costs. Uh So, I would think the levels
of where you would see signs of grazing or leaves
and branches being pulled off would be you know, probably
three to six feet off the ground in that area.
So still in that zone of herbivores. North American herbivores
great strength. Why do they need the great strength probably
to maybe break down branches, tear open branches to get
into the inner bark. So again branches, you know, maybe
in fact, maybe we will say seven feet off the
ground branch is broken, so they can just snap off
a branch and then sit andneat the leaves leisurely. Yeah,
I would think that the the It would be difficult
to at first glance tell say a bigfoot from a deer,
But once you take the whole big picture in, I
believe again you have great strength. You need it for
a reason. They're breaking the branches off and eating it,
whereas a deer is just nibbling on the edges. So
I would be looking for areas of unexplained plant damage
to the bushes in the trees. Okay, now you can
also add this, and it may have evolved to know,
if I leave signs of meat, I'm going to get
an arrow in my back, and so it may have
You know, we talked about the gorilla having one third
of a mile. They probably have a better range than
that to spread their spore around. You. Cats they bury
their their beeces so other animals don't know they're there.
I'm thinking Susquatch is probably intelligent to know there are
things that are smaller than me that they hurt me,
and so over time they probably figured out how to
avoid these creatures. So it just became an instinctive, you know,
hide my signs because otherwise I'm going to get eaten.
It's smart enough to figure that out, you know, a
cow or a bear or rabbit probably not smart enough
to figure that out, right, right, Zees, Gorillas they do
sign language. They're they the I think they said the
the average gorilla chimpanzee is around the intelligence and maybe
a six or seven year old. And just that example. Uh,
you know, if you think and kids and abused homes
where they're you know, they've learned, even at a very
young age, techniques to try and avoid being hurt. So
sasquatch has been doing that for a long time.
Speaker 2: So one of the other things I wanted to make
sure to ask you about was something that caught my
eye in your bio and it's a word I like,
walk about.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Sasquatch, in my opinion, is on one big lifelong walk about.
And when you bring people on your walkabouts, your foraging walkabouts,
what what are some and this might be a little
off topic, but I want to talk about the listener's
experience in nature as well, just as much as I
want to talk about bigfoot. So I'm going to start,
perhaps to make the transition to about people in nature
and how to be safe and what to look for
and practices best practice, since you're really I'd hate to
leave out that part of your expertise out of this episode.
So when you bring people into nature and the wilderness
and you begin to teach them about medicinal plant use
and foraging and all of the things that go along
with that, what are some of the bad habits people bring? Hey,
assumptions people make or things that are easy, like an
easy place to start, right for somebody that's interested. So
I mean that's kind of a loaded question, and feel
free to go with it where you will. But I
think we've talked a ton about bigfoot. But I also
think the other side of that is being, if you're
a researcher, learning as much as you can about what's
out there, because how are you going to be able
to identify these behaviors and assess an area unless you
really really understand what's going on out there. So it's
kind of this episode's a double edged sword, and I'm
really I think we're really going to benefit from your
expertise because you've already provided such great insight into some
of the possible behaviors that Bigfoot could display in the wild,
and then I can't wait to also learn from you
about some of the things that if I were to
go on a walk about as a novice, maybe a
little more than novice outdoorsman hunter, how can I enhance
my understanding of the environment. And selfishly, I think there's
probably a lot of other listeners that feel the same
way and have very similar questions, and I think it's
just a great opportunity for us to really open the
door and start to talk about the other side of things,
building your knowledge in the community. So with that said,
when you bring people out on their walk abouts, what
are some of the things you see? What do you recommend?
How can we get started all the above?
Speaker 3: Okay, this is a great question and I'm gonna have
fun answering this. I'm going to break it into two
separate categories here. First is the misconceptions that people bring
with them out there that can be ranged from just
foolish to dangerous. And then how to go about learning
foraging when you don't have an instructor to guide you
by the hand. So the biggest misconception and the most
dangerous misconception out there is, oh I saw a squirrel
eat it, so I can need it to. Oh I
saw a deer eat it, so I can need it to.
Oh I saw a bird eat it, so I can
eat it too. No, they each animal has a very
different digestive system, different internal chemistry, and there's no guarantee
that the fact that a deer or a squirrel, or
a bird or a rabbit ate something means it's safe
for you. A really good example this is poison ivy. Basically,
humans are the only creature that has a negative reaction
to poison ivy. There are some other primates, but you know,
the deer, the shape, the chickens like you know dogs,
all that have no problem. What's over with poison ivy.
So just because you saw some other non human creature
eat something does not mean that you can eat it.
So that's one. The other is people bring up what's
called the universal edibility test, and this was a test
for edible plants developed by the US military, and what
it involves is first you take a bit of a plant,
you know, like a leaf or fruit, and you rub
it on your inner arm and you wait twelve hours
and to see if there's any reaction there. You know,
it's usually soft skin there. And then the next step
is you rub it on your outer lip and wait
twelve hours to see if there's any reaction. Next you
rub it on the inner lip and then wait twelve hours,
and then you nibble a little bit and wait twelve hours,
and through this you're supposed to be able to determine
if a plant is safe. Okay, this means it takes
like four days to test one bit of plant if
you're doing it right. This was developed by the military.
The thought was you probably have a troop loss somewhere
and each person could take a different plan. So if
you're on your own, the universal universal edibility tests pointless.
Even if you're with people, there are a number of
plants that may taste good but are really bad for you,
either immediately, within four hours or over time. And so
the breaking people of thinking the universal edibility test is
a good way to learn wild edibles. That's been harder
than I expected. So now let's switch gears and how
do you go about learning wild edibles. It's so much
easier than people make it out to be if you
follow this plan. So the first thing and this people
will get like, my should have a come my books.
Speaker 2: The link to the book will be in the show.
Now definitely, okay, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3: But if it's my book or Centthaya's or John Kallis's
or Peterson's guide or any of these. The secret is
when you are looking at a plant, you know, in
the wild, and your your book, your website, whatever, you
want to match at least five structural features, and eight
or ten is even better. You want to really match up.
And so structural features. How the leaves are attached to
the stem? Are they alternating, are they opposite? Are they
opposite alternating? Are they whorled? That sends the dense part
of the show. But the you know, so the way
the leaves are arranged, that's a structural feature. Whether it's
a tree, a bush, a buying a wildflower, or a weed,
that's a structural feature. Does it have a tap root?
Does it have fibrous roots? If you can get to
the roots the flowers, where the hours located, how are
they clustered or not clustered. How many petals do they have,
how big are they? What color? There are dozens you
mentioned my website Foraging Texas. There'll be a link below
on each there's currently two hundred and forty eight plants
of mushrooms on that I'm always adding more. But each
one of those it has twelve structural features to match up.
But usually once you've matched five to eight, you've zeroed
it in enough where I feel it's safe to eat.
But I give you twelve because you know, especially like
flowers may not be there all the time, the fruit
may not be there all the time.
Speaker 2: I think, I think I'm going to dub the five
to eight structural features. I think I'm going to dub
that Merryweather's index. I think we just, I think we
just I'm.
Speaker 3: Very egotistical, So yeah, yeah, I see. You don't get
a PG without a hell of a lot of ego anyway.
So that's the first step when you're looking at the planet,
five to eight to twelve structural features. And all us
foraging instructors, all us foraging book authors, we've all we
talked behind the scenes. We know each other. We've been
talking to each other for decades, and so when we're
writing a book, you know, like a regional book, say
the Foraging of Texas, the foraging in New Hampshire, will
focus on the same structural features. So it's just kind
of uniform, so you don't have to learn a whole
new whatever because you've switched to a different author. Okay,
so what you're looking for very important five to eight
structural features. Now, the other thing is how in what
order do you start learning these plants? And for this
I've come up with a system. We can call it
system too if you'd like a basically harnessing the brain's
dopamine and little successes to keep you at it. You
start with the trees. You go outside, you look around,
you look at the trees. You figure out what trees
you have. And it's really easy nowadays because the smart
plant identification apps on the on the phones. Generally those suck,
but for trees they're actually pretty good. And especially if
you get like two or three different apps and try
all of them and kind of zero it in, you'll
very often get in the family or maybe even in
the genus, and from there you can figure out the
specific species. Another tip will put this length down below too.
The USDA Plants Database. This is a government created database.
Gis you love it? So you can put in the
scientific oh yeah, yeah yeah. You put the scientific name
or even just the genus name in the little search box,
and it will bring up all the plants that are
in that genus that are found in North America. And
then you can click on the main thing like it'll
just have like just a genus thing. It'll clicker than that,
and it'll bring up a map of North America and
wherever the plants of that genus are found will be
colored in on the map. But then there's a little
tag across the top that says subtaxa, and you click
on that, and then that brings up a North America map,
little thumb prints all in a grid of all the
different specific species found in North America and where they are.
And then you just go through. Okay, there's golden rock,
twenty nine different golden rods. Hey, there's only six of
the golden rods that are found in my location, or
at least my state. You click on the state, you
can zoom into a county level, and so once you're
at the county level, it becomes even that much easier. Okay,
like these are found nowhere near where I'm at, So
it's probably not that species, but it's probably this species
here now caveat. These maps were created by government employees.
They are not exactly accurate. If it says the plant
is found in a specific county, I trust that ninety
eight percent. But there's counties around it where it says, no,
it's not found there. Unless there's some very big ecological difference.
I would think it's it's likely that it may be
in these other plants.
Speaker 2: You don't boundaries, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that they just go. It's the sunlight, right, is
the soil right? No, where they go? So yeah, you
use that, But you start with the trees. You figure
out what trees are near area. Then you go to Google.
You guys, got it so easy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You can go to Google or duf up go, you know,
and type in don't oak tree or sweet gum tree, edible,
medicinal and it will bring up you know, articles or
whatever that's you know, if the plant has edible or
medicinal uses, it will usually show up Like I'm forging Texas,
eat the weeds or plants for a Future or Edible
wild Girl Ediblefoods dot com. She's located more up in
the Montana area, Colorado, sorry, Colorado, and then Karen Stephenson
is up in Canada anyway. But you figure out the tree,
you learn, oh this has edible bark, it has edible leaves.
I can make sour kraut out of the young maple leaves.
I can make syrup out of the fig trees. You know,
things like that. So you learn the trees, and now
you got wow. You know, because most people, a lot
of people have a lot of trees around them. And
even if it's not a native tree, you know, maybe
a landscaping tree, there's a good chance you'll figure out
what it is. And there's a chance that it is
edible or medicinal too. So now you've got these trees.
That's awesome. I know the trees. Next step landscaping plants.
So you know, if you've planted the landscaping plants, or
if your neighbors planted, you know, what is that plant?
What is that? Then you know? And then the same
thing lantana, edible Texas age. You know, edible medicinal turk scout,
edible medicinal and look up the landscaping plant. If you
don't know and your neighbors don't know what a specific
plant in the landscaping is, take a picture of it,
go to a local nursery and say what is this?
They tell you. You go home and look it up.
Is it edible? So you've learned the edible and medicinal
uses of the landscaping plants in your area. So now
you've got trees and you've got landscaping plants. Awesome. Next
is the vines, because in the scheme of plants, the
number of vines is rather low to all the other
types of plants. Okay, and most uh, most states actually
usually have some resource to help you learn the vines
of Texas, the vines of Massachusetts, the vines of California,
and so.
Speaker 2: Vines are an old app. It's an old app that
just six second videos, so you already.
Speaker 3: There we go, But so trees, landscaping vines. After that,
after you figure out the vines, what they are and
what uses they have, then you move on to wildflowers.
So wildflowers are another really easy one to identify. There
are so many, Like Texas. There's a bunch of different
books that are just the wildflowers of Texas. There's the
wildflowers of Minnesota, there's the wildflowers of New England. Because
especially when you have the flower, the flower is usually
very very distinctive, especially when you're really looking at the
fine details, and it gives you a reason ago take
a picnic with your beloved and go out. We're gonna
go look at the flowers. And you're secretly taking pictures
that in the middle of the night you're looking at
and trying to figure it out, you know, but hey,
they don't have to know that, you know. But you
figure out the flowers that are around. And now you
got the trees, you got the landscaping plants, you got
the vines, you got the flowers. You got knowledge there.
And now that you've built that up and you built
your eye to understand structures, the milk at it. Now
when you start tackling the weeds and the mushrooms, you
have that dopamine that I was talking about supporting you
to the more difficult ones. So you've worked your you've started,
you know, you start at first level and work your
way up to the big leagues. And if you do
it that way, it's so much easier, so so not frustrated.
You might occasionally get a little frustrated, but it just
it simplifies it into bite sized pieces that build on
each other that really bring you your skills.
Speaker 2: I think that's really good advice that I'm actually gonna try.
I was thinking through some of the plants that I've identified,
even weeds in my in my backyard. I think I
had spikey lettuce in the backyard, prickly let yep, prickly lettus.
I have sweet potato vines grown in the front. So
I'm just going through all the plants in my that
I know in my yard alone. So I think that's
really good advice for the listeners because and I say
this about wildlife too and survival skills, et cetera. I think,
if staying true to the theme of the show here,
if you're going to get out and research Bigfoot, you
really and you want and we want to get to
the bottom of the mystery. If we don't educate ourselves
and everything all aspects of what's out there, we aren't
really a going to be safe. Most importantly, uh and
and B, we aren't going to be able to tell
what's out of the ordinary what's not and we aren't
going to notice patterns necessarily, we might overlook things. So
I think that's why having you on really is very
valuable because you provide this window into foraging and edible plants,
medicinal plants, and new behaviors that we've already covered in
the show. And then skills is the next thing that
you provide a window into and access to, right through
your website and your classes and your books. So I
think that if the listeners have made it this far,
because we've had a few dad jokes, so maybe they
just hit the X and they're like, all right, these guys,
you know. But if they've made it this far, I
think that bringing it full picture, really learning as much
as you can about Bigfoot like we did in the
first part of the show. First half of the show
is just part the first tip of the ice or
having interest in wanting to solve the mystery. But then
I'm going to steal your phrase, little bits of dopamine
are the skills you can learn to get out there
and stay motivated in the search. You can learn about forging,
you can learn about plant identification, you can learn about
animal identification, tracking, survival, skills, wilderness first aid. The list
goes on for all the things that are valuable skills
anyway to learn in pursuit of bigfoot. Really, if that's
your inspiration to get out and learn these things, it
is for me. It's part of it. And hunting as
well is a big part of it. I think that
you use I'm trying to use this podcast to learn
things and share what I learned with the audience, and
I'm inspired to go learn more about forging being a hunter.
I never I'll dedicate out probably too many hours if
you ask my wife, but I'll dedicate hours to learning
behaviors for elk for example, or a deer, or perfecting
that call or that grunt or whatever. Right, and that's
the dope mean for me to get out there and
do that. But being so interested in that, I've never
found inspiration or built curiosity to go learn more about
foraging and talking to you through the lens or yeah,
I guess the lens of learning more about bigfoot behavior. Now,
I'm fascinated about all the things that are in my
own backyard, right it's just starting there. So I think
for the listeners, please, I think just soak this up.
Like a sponge. Doctor Merriweather is here sharing his knowledge
and advice and insights with us, and I think it's
really probably, I hope, going to be one of your
favorite episodes. It's already one of mine. It hasn't even
premiered yet. So with that, I do want to touch
on some of I think I'd already kind of said
your expert insights that you're providing for us, But I'm
going to circle all the way back because we talked
about the hypotheticals of what Bigfoot might do. But if
I'm putting on you on the spot, I'm sorry, but
it's not a loaded question, I promise, But based on
your expertise, do you think that it's plausible? Right, this
is hypothetical, But do you think it's plausible that a
creature like Bigfoot could remain hidden yet find enough food
to survive? Because the general consensus, or at least a
lot of the questions and comments that I receive are
why is on a trailcam? Why don't we see more Bigfoot?
Why haven't we found a body? Why haven't we found scatt?
Blah blah blah. Right, you can imagine all the things.
Speaker 3: That we.
Speaker 2: We hear from skeptics rightfully, so I'm not saying they're wrong,
and I think they're very good points, but I would
love to hear your opinion on whether it's plausible keyword,
that a creature like Bigfoot could remain hidden but really
survive using all the skills and behaviors that we talked
through about through the whole show.
Speaker 3: Possible. I grew up on the X File, so I
want to believe. But in the end, there's nothing from
a scientific point of view as far as food, learn
behavior and a behavior that suggests to me, no, it's impossible.
I think they could be out there. I hope they're
out there. From a food point of view, I mean, yeah,
there's food. That's not a problem. I don't think we
have to worry about that right now. I can't remember
what the deer population is across the United States, but
it's some ridiculous number. It's like ninety deer for a
square miles. Some ridiculous. But how many deer do you
see every day other than maybe right along the road
just before it jumps out in front of your car.
There's so much we don't see when we are out
in the woods. Humans are noisy, there's a burden. I
can't remember his first time, but he teaches here in Texas,
teaches the language of birds class and depending on how
the bird is stooping and the different species and so forth,
and they're actual movements. The birds are like the centuries
for the woods. If there's different types, you know, if
it's a coyote, they have different movements and actions than
if it's a bobcat or a mountain lion, because the
hunting practices of the different predatures are well, they have
different hunting methods, and so the birds will indicate to
the other animals which predator is there, you know, right,
because they hunt by different ways. That so much better
than I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds me of a story. Actually, if I
can add to your bird comment, there's a bird in Africa,
I believe, I forget the name of the bird, but
it would lead native people travel people to food and
then they would reward it, right like much like you
said the tobacco to the mouse earlier. But the funny
thing is if the bird was not rewarded, it would
lead them to lions. It would remember. Whether this is
true or not, I don't know what is funny. It's
you just reminded me of the story when you were
talking about bird behavior. Sorry I interrupted you. Please continue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but where I'm going with this is humans are
not quiet creatures. We are not sneaking as a predator
through the woods. We are loud, noisy beasts, and all
the other animals in the woods know we're there, but
they know they've learned we are a predator and they
better just run and hide. So the fact that we're
not finding I gotta think, you know, going back to
the intelligence of the six seven eight year old, they
probably figured out, either through evolution or mental capacity, hide
might weep, you know, because those little rumpty guys they
got these sticks with rocks on them, and those hurt.
I don't know why what they're doing, but damn, you know,
And so I think. But I mean, if you look
at all the different cultures around the world, there are
these all these uh stories of the creatures, and even
if you look like gigantipithesis, it overlapped when humans were around.
Absolutely going back, you know, they find you know, up
to two hundred thousand years ago. We go back about
three hundred thousand years ago, depending you know, and stuff,
So there's it's possible. Then you think about the tribes
in the Amazon that we haven't contacted yet, we show up,
they shoot arrows into us, we leave. You know, that's
there's a lot of this world. I mean, we like
to think we've explored every cubic inch, but we haven't.
And just because we walked through once doesn't mean we
saw everything that was there when we walked through.
Speaker 2: Oh don't I know that. I mean, I can't tell
you how many times I've walked past the quail or
a pheasant or something in a rabbit, et cetera, and
it's jumped right out practically in front of it. Could
have if it was a snake, it would have bit me.
Speaker 3: Right natural coloring. It would make sense that they evolved
to be camouflaged. You don't have, you know, like the lions,
and you know that they they match in their ecosystems.
Why would these guys not Eventually you have a model pelt.
Speaker 2: We uh, last question on the Bigfoot diet, I promise
because we're we've hit you know, we've hit around an
hour now and I I could talk about this all night,
but I understand that, you know, not everybody wants to
talk about Bigfoot all night. But actually I thought of
a question I wanted to ask you, and I forgot
to ask it earlier. One of the things that skunk
Cape is famous for is it's scent and plants. We
kind of touched on it earlier, you know, to repel mosquitos,
et cetera. But various plants and forage. Could could a
creature like Bigfoot, or for that matter, any creature control
its scent signature or it's it's I guess, control it
sent signature by eating certain plants. And in the case
of skunk Cape is a great example. Could that be
from a plant that that's making it smell that way? Oh?
Speaker 3: Again, quite possible. And I'm going to put out an
example if you go into an Indian restaurant or we
might have picked up this part of it. But you know,
if you work with like people from India that eat
that diet, they have a different body odor than the
Norwegians or the Germans who are eating all the fermented
sour craft type stuff.
Speaker 2: Somebody who eats garlic, garlic.
Speaker 3: Onions, things like that. So it's a very common thing.
What we eat affects how we smell. Going back to
human culture, that was a way we could tell us
from them. We ate these foods, we had this smell.
They ate those foods, they smell different. We don't like them.
They could be after the resources we have, and so
scent plays a huge role in how people interact with
each other. There are some really good studies. One of
the things I found that the family members can identify,
you know, like a shirt warm by some other family member,
not just you know, a sweaty, stinky one, but one
that they had on for like an hour, even though
normally we don't think about each other's smells. But they
also found the most compatible marriages are where the couples
think the other, you know, each other smells good. So yeah,
so long story, I have a tendency to go all
over the place. But yeah, it's very possible that you
know they are eating something specifically for a insect repellant thing.
If you talk to the people who have been on
Naked and Afraid, one of the things they'll tell you is,
before you go out there, you load up on garlic.
You just eat to the point where you just it's
coming out of your pores as a natural insect repellant
to help protect you for a while until you can
find something out there to help. It's very Yeah, it
could be very very possible that the you know, the
sausquatch found something that consuming it comes out their skin,
you know, clings to the oil on their hair and
give them some of the anti parasite, anti mosquito.
Speaker 2: Especially in Florida right where the skunkcap smell is prevalent. Right,
that could be a very plausible case where it's for
mosquito repellent, parasite repellent, et cetera. That's that's I'm glad.
I'm glad. I remember to ask that I would have
been kicking myself if I concluded the episode and hadn't
touched on that two things. The second to last question
I'm going to ask you, besides your closing thoughts, would
be have you encountered any unusual signs or evidence out
there during your foraging expeditions that might hint or that
are just unexplainable that have had you scratching your head
or made you stop and think like, wow, that's really
because given your expertise, if something stumped you, I'd be
curious to know about that.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me profesce this by saying, I've camped in
areas high Bigfoot sight. I said, up in northern Minnesota,
out in the Big Thicket, the Big Get. You know,
they have the the Bigfoot Research Center out there. It's
other people have said I personally as far as Sasquatch
or anything like that. I have not felt like I've
encountered any sign, sounds, anything like that. But if you
take everything into account, people outside of Texas may not
be familiar with the the Marfa lights, which out in
West Texas. There's this small town and on the edge
of the town is this desert and then mountains in
the background. And going back to before you know, the people,
you know, the Western people came in, before the white
men showed up, the Native Americans had legends of seeing
these dancing lights across this area and up on the mountains.
And it's become a thing. And the Marfa the little
its population like eight hundred and sixteen out in the
desert way out with Sex's nothing else miles. They have
a little viewing center. I love going out to West Sex.
I love going to Big Bend at Big Bend Branch
State Park. My T shirt hunt they have this union
thing and I always stop at Marble Lights and one
time I saw them and they they have all these
information posters. They have built in telescopes. I got there
before daylight so I could see, you know, where the
roads were and all this sort of stuff. And they
tell you, okay, like there, yes, there's that radio tower there.
There's a radio tower there, and you see these lights
and they're like all the UFO type things. They'll be
zooming around. And I could not explain it. It wasnt
temperature version, it was you know, it was I could
not come up with any pausible excuse. And like I said,
they have you know, you know people thought it was this,
and you know they tell you what you know, people
have said it may be and they also say, but
you know, there's there's no roads there. It's you know.
The only thing I think I could be is every
so often town members just go running ten miles out
in the desert with flashlights and dirt bikes.
Speaker 2: And has been low this month. Get the get out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to get back on Instagram. You know.
So there is unexplained phenomena around, right, That's where I'm
going with. We we still know so of it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you acknowledging that, especially coming from a scientist
who's got such a diverse background as yourself and such
a huge wealth of expertise. That's why I asked that question.
I think ending the show on, you know, after talking
to you and learning so much and gaining so much
knowledge and understanding your background, but also acknowledging that there
are things out there that we can't explain, that we
haven't documented yet, and that we haven't explored, touched, scene captured,
done the EDI edibility test on yet all of those things.
I think it really is important to acknowledge that although
we really I think you even hinted about this or
talked about this, Although we think we know and have
documented and learned and explored so much, if not everything,
there are things out there that we can't explain, and
Bigfoot is one of them. And although I'd like to
have an explanation or some irrefutable proof, in the meantime,
all we can do is learn. And what I want
to say is thank you, Doctor Merriweather for having us
on being on the show, having us on the show.
I'm gonna have to cut that part, but thank you
for being on the show. It really means a lot
that you consider us on a cold call, just coming
on the show and sharing your expertise and going into
so much any interesting topics and rabbit trails. I think
our viewers are going to really enjoy this. I know
I have. And with that, I'm going to ask if
you have any closing thoughts or anything you'd like to promote,
anything you have coming up books or anything like that. Please.
Speaker 3: Okay, First, let me if I was going to focus
my search around a specific plant, it would be the
tree known as the hackberry, and there's several across North America.
The reason being they formed these thousands of these little
tiny berries that are just super nutrient dance, super calorie dance.
If you've ever heard of peking Man, peking Man was
homo erectus picanus and goes back about seven hundred thousand
years ago. One of our ancestors lived in Central China,
had clothing made duels, had control of fire, this sort
of thing. They were found with lots and lots and
lots of these hackberries because it's a real easy to
store food. The leaves are very nutritious, the bark is
very nutritious. It's a food tree. Most people consider it
to be a trash tree, but as far as wild
food scale, it's spectacular. And it's following not just all
across North America but all around the world.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: So, and it would be if I felt that the
the Sasquatch was had a particular favorite tree, I would
guess that. And one of the things about the hackberry
is the wood is very brutal.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Every time it wins, branches break off.
Speaker 2: Easy camouflage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just just planting that seed.
Speaker 2: I like where you're going with this. We might just
have to extend this episode.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Oh, the listeners I know are gonna love this. This
is great. Now. There's also I forget the name of
the plant, but there are nests in the Pacific Northwest
that people have found and it might be the hackberry,
but they claim that the nests are made out of
a specific tree or shrub that has vital properties for birthing.
That the that the Bigfoot uses this tree and the
Native Americans have used these plants for some qualities that
it has that help in birthing. Is there is there
any merit in your opinion or something you know of
too to that hypothesis would be the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, there are a number of plants that were
given to to women in labor to either help relax
the muscles, some increase their ability to withstand the pain,
also reduce bleeding afterwards, because there's a lot of tearing. Now,
the tearring is kind of specific to the humans because
of our size of our head to the body. I
don't know. I haven't seen the self squatch give birth.
I don't know if we get tearing there, but at
the very least I could see some antibacterial properties being important,
some hemistatic you know, stopping the bleeding and sort of things,
muscle relax sense, calming agents. See. Now, now I'm intrigued.
I want to know how difficult it is for a
primate to give birth compared to a human because if
you think a lot of animals, you know, it's it's dessible,
but they're not howling in pain or anything like that.
You know, we ran the gavis, cows, goats, you know,
all that sort of thing, And I was like, you know,
is that the way it is with primates? That's a
good question.
Speaker 2: Good question. I really don't know. But I know people
who do, and that might have to be one of
the next episodes.
Speaker 3: But definitely asked them. But yeah, but lining the nest
with medica, like going back to the birds and then
stealing the cigarette butts to keep the parasites down. Yeah, yeah,
it would make sense that there's something that assists them.
You know, if it could be that the branches are
very easy to intertwine and get a good nest. You know,
there's medicinal properties, there's mechanical properties, there's different possibilities, but
medicinal can definitely be included in why are they using?
Speaker 2: Very And I wish I could remember the name. It
might be Hackberries that I think it starts from. Ah,
now I'm going to have to I'll add it to
the show notes when I remember, because I'm going to
try so hard to waste the rest fifteen minutes trying
to remember that, and then as soon as I forget,
I'll be in the shower later and I'm like, ah,
that's what it was.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: So since we're going down, let me just I guess
I'll take a second here and see if there's any
questions that I have. Just to utilize the last fifteen
minutes or so until late thirty that I might not
have asked that we uh that I scrolled past in
my outline here. I don't know that we didn't cover
I think we did.
Speaker 3: You did have the question about, you know, how does
understanding the local flora and fauna help you? Oh? Yes,
I mean you haven't touched upon that. If you know
the animal's food, that's one of the driving factors of their.
Speaker 2: Behavior, like deer right being a hunter.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So if you're just walking the woods looking
for bigfoot without any knowledge of the plants and what
might be food and what might it's just blind luck
and most likely you're too loud and stinky that they're
going to find you and they're gonna, you know, pull
ass out of there. So finding a possible food and
hunkering down and just waiting, I think would be a
better plan than just randomly running through the woods or
setting your game cams up in specific areas. I would think.
One of the things I've learned in my studies of
human biochemistry is energy and what can we do to
conserve energy? Because that is energy calories that determines a
lot of our capabilities, And so looking at bigfoot, big creature.
I would suspect that they are using the game trails
created by other animals, because something that big busting through
the woods, it's tiring, it's going to require more calories.
It's more chance that they're going to be found. They also,
apes aren't designed for running for the most part, especially
the bigger and you know they do like the knuckle
walking and so forth. So I would not think that
the bigfoot is traveling very far per day. So I
think once you find an area rich and say hackberries,
that's why I would set up cameras because if it's
a place and then leave them there for you know,
a year, right basically, and and you know, hopefully during
that time they come in, I got to think they
know their territory pretty well. And so like any other
nomadic food gatherer, you know, like the animal, you know,
they have a trail that they do throughout the year
to find fresh food. Because if they're just sitting in
one area, and if you got to know five of
them eating fifty pounds of plant material a day, that
will strip an area pretty quickly, and that will science
that they're there. So I would think they have maybe
not a definite track, but kind of zones that they
travel through in their search for the food. I wouldn't
say search for them as they acquire the food. But
I also think, as we talked earlier, they can eat
a lot of stuff that we can't if they can
get the nutrients from the cellulose itself, which we can't.
Speaker 2: Right now, you touched on Actually I just thought of
another question. You touched on human impact on particularly in
like the Northeast. Another human impact I think is invasive species. Right,
So how in building off of your comment, you know,
humans weren't there two hundred, you know, two thousand years
ago in the Northeast. Just using that as an example,
we brought invasive species or they made it here somehow,
how do you think invasive plants in particular have impacted
not only I mean obviously big, but foraging animals that
are reliant on certain types of plants, things like that
that would modify behavior and or become more beneficial. Right
on both sides of the coin, What in your experience
and your opinion do you think what role do invasive
plants play? What impact do they have on local floor
inmph and obviously mostly negative most of the time. But
what's your opinion. You look like you're ready. You're rubbing
your fingers, wait to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 3: Okay, you touch on it benefits and negatives. So just
because a plant comes from somewhere else does not mean
it's going to become invasive. Usually the reason it's spreads
so rapidly, like down here the China berry, the Chinese
tallow trees, is because nothing in the native ecosystem eats
that plant. It's not under the pressure it's under in Asia, Australia, Europe,
you know, wherever where it's part of the ecosystem where
it's being eaten and something that is keeping it in control.
You talked about my Instagram Merriweather Forager. I recently posted
the mint that you get at the different like pad
Thai restaurants and some of the Asian restaurants that people have.
They love the mint. One of the things about mint
is it's very easy. You stick it in some water,
it produces roots, you plant it, you get mint and
it spreads vigorously. The sam Houston National Forest and even
here on the edge of Houston, the Spring Creek Greenway,
it is overrun with this delicious mint because none of
the insects eat it, none of the rabbits eat it.
There's nothing eating it, so it's just spreading and spreading
and spreading, which means then there're it's going to be
less food for the insects. If there's less foods for
the insects, we talked about gorillas, Grillas eat the insects,
so you're taking a protein source away, you're taking the
food away from the birds. If there's fewer birds because
they eat bugs, there's not bugs, they rely on seeds.
If they're the type of bird that eats both. If
they're a type of bird that just eats bugs, it's
kind of screwed. But if it eats bugs and seeds,
it has to eat more seeds, so it's spreading. You know,
the feces around the bird poop and there's going to
be seeds in that. Depending on the plant, that could
be spreading things. So long story short, if it is
spreading uncontrollably, that's an indication that there aren't enough things
in the ecosystem eating it, quite possibly including sausquatch, or
it is overrunning and outproducing the foods that the sasquatch
would normally eat. Accustomed to eating, likes eating, because that's
the thing, if you know, it's a reproductive strategy. If
you produce enough babies, the other plants can't compete with you,
and you end up with these huge patches of a monoculture.
And we basically invasive plants are basically like a giant
field of corn. It's just one plant, maybe a few
others sprinkled in, but it's predominantly one one plant. And
nature doesn't work that way. Nature doesn't like just one monoculture.
So by that, yeah, it's causing problems, but you also
touched upon. There may be other plants coming in that
are eaten by things. Dandelions are a great example dandulions.
The true danuline is non native. It came over from
Europe and it's spread and one of the things that
helps controlled the danulines not just things eating it, but
it is super nutritious. But the deer, the rabbits, all
those things they eat the danuline too. But the growth pattern,
and I'm kind of going off topic.
Speaker 2: Here, just bear with leaves.
Speaker 3: The dnulines. They bainly go in areas that have been
abused and just laid bare of other plants, and you
basically have maybe just grass, like you know out in
the yard, not my yard, but other people's yards, where
you have roots that maybe go down two inches, and
then every time it rains, the minerals in the soil
gets leached deeper and deeper and deeper, which is why
you kind of keep adding fertilizer to your yard if
you have grass, because the natural minerals are there. Danulines
come in, they'll send a taproot down twelve feet into
the soil, suck all these minerals, bring them back up
into their leaves. That makes them so super nutritious. And
then when the danilines die, the leaves are there on
the surface and the minerals get released into the surface. Again.
You also have a lot of hummoic acid and vulvc
acid and all the plant material, and you got twelve
feet of root mixed in the soil. So you've suddenly
turned really crappy soil into really organic rich soil. And
then the other plants move in and then they take
over and you get that progression you know, eventually leading
into a mature woods. Where I'm going with this, I
have no idea, give me a section, but the depending.
Basically it boils down to it. Just because the plant
is farm doesn't mean it can't end up playing in
a positive role in the ecosis.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I was asking. Are there plants perhaps
that like you touched on, that are negative have a
negative impact on the environment or the species that live there?
But also are there plants like the dandelion, which I
did not know was technically a non native species, did
not know that they are delicious. My grandfather used to
make dandelion wine excellent. But those beneficial plants that do
come in I was wondering, you know what, how would
if they're not native, how would bigfoot or other species?
How would they gravitate towards consuming them? How do they know?
Speaker 3: Okay, let's lett you got got good questions. First, the
plants that were specifically brought over, they were brought over
for a purpose. They were brought over for food or
medicine or fiber. Generally food or medicine, and so humans
found them to be nutritious, and so, you know, we
talked about the differences between biochemistries and so forth. But
it's also likely that someone in the lake Daniel Lyons
Burdock things like that have a nutritional value to soft squatch,
and they figured out, oh maybe I can eat this.
Now I get to talk about one of my favorite subjects.
How did humans learn which plants are medicinal? And I'll
run your right through because most people think it was
like trial and error. No, because a person actually sat
down and calculated. If you look at all the different
possible plants, all the different possible maladies, all the plants
we know through trial and error, how long it would
take to figure it out. This works with a fever,
this works with the bacterial and function all this. It
was over a trillion years longer than the Earth has
been around. If you talk to the Aboriginal people, if
you talk to the indigenous tribes, if you talk to
the people who remember or have passed down the knowledge
of these plants, how did we learn which plants are medicinal?
Regardless of the culture around the world, The answer is
the plants told us m which to the westerner is sink.
Speaker 2: It's probably made the same fish.
Speaker 3: I'm a dandelion, Eat me if you want to go
pee a lot? You know. No, it's not like that.
So now to explain it, we have to get lost
at sea.
Speaker 2: Huh, trust me on this. I'm going so trust you.
Speaker 3: But we're in our life raft. Our ship has sunk.
We got a fishing kit. We're catching fish or eating
the fish. And for the first six weeks, the people
are just eating the meat of the fish. The shoeshaw me. Basically,
they're catching the fish, they're eating the meat. But over
and over and over, there's been a thing that happens
right around six weeks where suddenly they catch a fish
and they pull it up and they're looking at this
fish and they're going, damn, those eyeballs look delicious. Why
have I never eaten those eyeballs before? And the liver,
Oh yeah, man, I want that liver. And this I
don't know what this yellow, gooey thing is, but I
want that too. And suddenly a switch gets flipped in
their brain and they start eating all these other parts
of the fish too. And it turns out those parts
are very high and nutrients that the body needs. The
body recognized there's nutrients that it needs in that fish.
How this has come into plants. Well, when we think
about our senses, our sight, our smell, our taste, even
our hearing and our sense of touch, we have a
tendency to downplay it. When we think of like sense
of smell, we think of the bloodhound, you know, who
are a bear who can smell, you know, like a
thousand thousand times better than us. When we think of eyesight,
we think of the hawk that can see the little
mouse from a mile in the air. When we think
of hearing, we think of rabbits or something, or deer deer,
you know, a great sense of hearing, all this sort
of stuff. But nonimal has the complete package that we do.
Our vision, you know, we can see millions of colors,
shades of colors, and if you're a super si, well
you get the average person be I don't remember these
numbers exactly, but somewhere between eight hundred thousand and one
point two million shades.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then the super seers can see, you know, like
two million or three million. They can distinctly make out
that many shades so color. They're very good at color.
Our eyes are particularly designed to see shades of green. Okay.
Our sense of smell, we think, yeah, dog has a
sense of smell. That's amazing. We can sense molecules down
to one in a trillion. We actually have a really
good sense of smell. In modern life, we spend more
time time to avoid smelling things than we do. But
if you spend time out. One of the things I
found that if you spend you know, like the long
distance backpackers and stuff, their sense of smell becomes incredible.
They can pick out all these different smells. One thing
I like to do. I haven't had time to do
it in the last few years, but especially during the
covid is. I'd go for a nightly walk and I
would walk to a place in the neighborhood and I
would stop there with my eyes closed and just smell
and try and figure out how many different smells I
could smell, and then go to a different part of
the neighborhood. There's a tribe I can't remember exactly where
they are, but their calendar is basically made of smells.
When they smell a particular flower, it's this time of
year and they should be doing these things because that's
when that flower blooms. They know when that flower is blooming,
the rainy season is coming or the dry you know,
and so their calendar is scent based. We have an
amazing sense of smell. Same with their sense of taste.
You know, you talk about the five you know, the
five six nail, Who've got Me? But you know sweet, hour, salty, bittery.
I mean, but we can actually taste hundreds of thousands
of different flavors. Where I'm going with this is our
senses are really good at analyzing our surroundings, working with
our brain, and then our brain figuring out you know what,
if I took this vine and twisted it around, I
could make something that will catch that rabbit. And so
we normally think the brain is analyzing things. I'll call
it from an engineering point of viewer. How can I
attach this rock to a stick? How can I make
this rock sharper so I can cut the meat? Things
like that we completely forget we're also analyzing the chemistry
around us. Another good example is a pregnant woman with
their cravings and suddenly they want like pickles and ice
cream that you know the running joke at least from
gen X and so forth, And it boils down to
a sort of salts and calcium and facts, things the
developing fetus needs and things they're going to be needing
to support the fetus. In Africa is very common for
women to develop cravings for this one particular clay. It's
very mineral rich and it has the minerals that the
body needs to help bring a healthy child. So we
are doing this, We are taking in this information. Our
brain is analyzing me, not in the front where we're thinking,
but in the rear brain and say, you know what
eat that. The food manufacturers know this and they have
hijacked that impulse that hey we need that and yeah,
and so that's why they're so good at the brito's.
Oh well, a freedom. It's like it hits all the
caveman parts of our.
Speaker 2: Brain, doesn't it. So think, do you think there's a
parallel between you're describing our brain and our psychology and
our evolution. Is there a parallel? Maybe I'm stealing your
thunder here, but is there a link or a parallel
would probably be a better word for bigfoot evolution and
its development of its diet and its adaptation to invasive
species to bring it full circle in its own environment.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you look at other creatures, octopuses, octopy
whatever the plural is, they're figuring things out, they're eating
the invasive species. They are developing hunting techniques, specialized for
the invasive species that different camouflage and so forth. So,
I mean octopuses are pretty smart. But there's other indications
in the wild of animals analyzing and crows. I mean
it's seen where crows they'll figure out like a seven
step process chunk of food. Yeah, and figure crows again
have about the intelligence seven to six to eight year old.
So that would really, you know, if you want to
think comparisons, Yeah, you know, with the primates, the gorillas,
the chimpanzees, the crows all being around a six to
eight year old brain capacity. That's a pretty amazing brain.
Speaker 2: It really is. I would think, Yeah, that's I I
don't really want to stop this podcast because this is
except interesting, Like I really don't, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna throw it out there. Is there anything that I
did not ask that I should have asked, that maybe
I'm in an echo chamber or a tunnel vision and
I'm so focused on these things about bigfoot, you know,
these facets, these bullet points. Is there anything from your
perspective that I Am just not seeing or not asking
or that is just it's right in front of me
and maybe obvious to you, or something that I completely
may be overlooking. You've already done it with the hackberry, frankly,
But in addition to the hackberry, is there anything that
I haven't touched on or am blind to from your
perspective that maybe I should consider or start to look
into more or learn more about.
Speaker 3: So one thing that's a big mystery for the Sasquatch
is how big is the family unit gestation period and
social gathering. Do they travel around in small family My
guess based on the ecosystem and other animals and gorillas
and so forth, is they are somewhat of a troop.
They have core clusters. How many are in that is
a question? How many of them are directly related is
a question. Most likely they're you know, closely to second
third degree. My guess, just taking human culture and primate
culture and all this stuff in is they're probably moving
around in small family groups. But every so often there
could be like a jettimot where they gather at a
particular location, maybe swap some troop members for other troop
members to keep the genetic diversity up. If that were happening,
it would probably be at a time where there would
be a lot of food available in a particular area
probably fall where you got a lot of nuts things
like that. The ground hasn't frozen yet, so they can
get the tubers. So thinking in that way, would that
guide I don't use guide the search for them. So
if we could find, you know, look at what is
the gestation period for the great apes we have. I
wasn't able to find anything along that for the Gigantipithesceenes
or any of the other prehistoric apes, but even the
you know Chromegnum man, the the Australia Australia Pithescenes, you
know those things. What what do we know about their
clustering and grouping and can we extrapolate something or can
we use that as a baseline to guide us. But
I said, going back to I really think they're probably
traveling around in small family groups. I mean, how long
does it take to train a young soft squatch to
go out and do squatchy stuff on their own? I
don't know, But if we looked at apes and so forth,
we could probably get an idea. You know, not only
what it's a gestation period, but what is the point
where the animal is capable of living on its own?
So not just the does it need mother's milk or
things like that, but it has learned the skills what
foods it can need.
Speaker 2: Is it proficient?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, where where it truly can go off and
it knows it doesn't need the parents feeding it right right? So,
But like I said, I I I honestly believe if
there's going to be the YETI moots, I love that
I came up with that. I'm gonna use that. Yeah,
well I was thinking the ench moot from the Lord
of the Rings.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's squashed mood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: You you're already but you made a Tolkien reference, so
even better, right.
Speaker 3: So, But I yeah, I gotta think they happen. I
really think in the fall there's probably gatherings. I know
there's this movie coming out where like Shia the Scotch
or Bigfoot or something, and people are complaining, like there
is some graphic yetti sects and stuff in it, but
it like followed the family troup, and I think in
that regards, I think they travel around in groups like that,
but they have meetups. It'd be really interesting if you
had like some Canadian sauce squatch and some Florida skuncakes,
would they be friend.
Speaker 2: Or foe and going back to the interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh sorry, I just had a really interesting idea.
Could you put a pile of North America plant that
isn't found in that location there and see what happens
to it. I mean, you're going to get the raccoons
in the you know, I'm gonna say pine. But you know,
I know people tried baiting the sauce squatch, so it
might be interesting to you know, try some sasquatch food
from another area to see if there's any sort of
response or curiosity anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got to think they have a curiosity about their environment.
Speaker 2: Well, they eat dandelions, so they must.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, going back to the US them sent
food based stuff.
Speaker 2: You so interesting. I have I have thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed
this conversation. I think this is by far everything that
I'm trying to do through this podcast. You have epitomized,
if that's even a word, by by joining us, because
you've I mean, I think I described it to you
when we were talking emailing back and forth. I want
to bring people in to the community and their expertise
who are not necessarily Bigfoot researchers, right, and we've done
just that on this show today, where you've you've given
us a ton of different insights. I mean, I can't
even list them all on both hands that I think
people are going to talk about. They're they're going to
learn things that are useful in their everyday lives and
their adventuring in their research, and and then we've got
a lot to think about from I mean everything we've
talked about, so this has been like, you might have
to come back on Honestly, if you're up for that,
I think we need em right, you might have to
be a regular, but they I know there's gonna be
a lot of questions in the comments when this comes
out that that people are just going to go nuts
with all the thought they're going to have and the
things that they're inspired by. So really, if you're open
to it, maybe we can have a follow up episode
to some of the questions that the that the viewers
and the listeners come up with, because I know, I
know I couldn't possibly think of all the questions that
the community is going to have. But I think this
is a great, great app episode, and I'm elated to
have had you on the show. I can't say thank
you enough. I've watched It's funny. I've watched the light
on your windows above you go from daylight all the
way to dark. So I'm like, okay, that's my cue.
I do want to say thank you very much for
being on the show, and I do. I tried to
give you the chance before, but I want to make
sure that we promote anything and everything that you want
to get out there about anything you have upcoming, anything
that you have out there, like your books, your website,
your account. Please let people know how they can get
a hold of you if you'd like them to all
of the above. Please, It's the least I could do
for having you on the show. I'm very appreciative, and
I want to make sure that people know how to
find you and how to learn all they can about
everything you do.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I just love
connecting people to nature so and giving them insight into
the science behind what's going on. It excites. I'm a nerd.
But yeah, the center of everything is the Foraging Texas
dot com website, and there, like I said, as two
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or not just all across Texas, but even like Georgia,
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don't wave some money at me, I will show up
start ef thing. So I was going to say, if
you have a live gathering, sometimes give me a call.
Speaker 2: Oh, I will not hesitate. I will not hesitate.
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and some wild forged te's and all that sort of stuff.
So if you're interested in health especially I don't use
interm ancestral health because a guy I don't really care
for took that term. But basically, the health we had
when we were conquering the world with a rock on
a stick as opposed to the health we have today
medicine Manplant Company dot com. But yeah, if you go
to the Forging Texas there's also hundreds of hours of YouTube.
I've moved over to Rumble because I get less problems
with Rumble than I did with YouTube, So I got
the Texas Village Healer Initiative going on and Rumble. There's
Merriweather on substack. I've been doing this before there was
social media, so as a new social media thing comes,
I set some ground there and so many now. Foraging
Texas dot com there's an email asking me a question.
If you have questions, go ahead and email me. I'll
try and help you out there. Definitely, I love the
idea of taking the viewer questions and doing another show
on that. That would be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be a lot of fun,
and I'm very grateful that you're willing to do that
because I know there are going to be so many questions,
and they're going to be burning questions right like, oh,
now that people have gone down this trail with us.
I bet it inspires so many more questions and people
have made observations and maybe they didn't think about or
connections that they might make after listening. I can only
imagine the questions that are going to come through in
the comments about it. So don't be surprised when I'm
emailing you. Hey, doctor r W, you available such such
a date so I can make it happen. Excellent. Well,
thank you very much. I'm so happy that you joined
us on the show today. I have a great night.
Thank you so much for being on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I had a wonderful time. This was so
much fun. Excellent. Really yeah, it's just you know, it
gets the brain thinking.
Speaker 2: And it's curiosity all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, weaponize my attention deficit disorder. This
was a great way of doing this.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Well until next time. That's how I'm going to
end the show. Until next time.
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