Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season four,
episode twelve of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Fuckler,
joined by Adam Doctor Evil Osland himself. William Updyke is here.
We are hopefully one of your preferred Clippers podcasts. They're
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If you'd like to watch us, find us at YouTube
dot com slash at Clippers podcast. Today we are talking
a road trip check in remaining roady outlook, we gotta haggle,
no haggle. How are you fellas doing? Just in general?
I guess things have been kind of cruel to the
Clippers recently.
Speaker 2: I'm annoyed with some dumbasses on Twitter everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get into that for sure, Will How
are you you survived a rainy drive?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm doing good man. Uh, Clipper stuff is a bummer,
but you just gotta take it in stride, you know,
let's have a little fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we aren't fully now.
Speaker 2: At the like take it in stride? Is the T shirt?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Very long acrosstick that have to come up for that.
One the colonel. Oh man, is that is that Kobe's
he's cooking out there. I don't know if we can
call the colonel. We are going to talk about Kobe Sanders.
For those of you who missed it but for some reason,
watch a Clippers podcast. Some things have happened since we
were last all three together four and ten. Derek Jones
Junior is out six weeks, Kawhi hasn't played on the
road trip yet and isn't certain to return by the
end of the trip, and the Clippers had two buzzer
beating losses on a back to back. Uh so things
I feel a bit.
Speaker 3: And some sham wrapping, some sham and.
Speaker 1: Some horrible reffing that was horrible. Yeah, I know, I'm like, great,
the two minute report vindicates my feelings.
Speaker 2: The thing is, they get you know, they get graded
on this stuff, and I would rather have them admit
they get a call wrong, even if there's nothing you
can do about it later, for accountability reasons, I would
rather have that game won't make the playoff paychecks if
guys get enough of these bad marks, so it matters.
Speaker 1: Whichever ref had the worst like mark should have to
wear same ref uniform. But it's just pe yellow. It's
just like a horrible shade of yellow to be like, oh,
that's that's the guy who's on a warning.
Speaker 2: Like a Lakers jersey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, it was a lot like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're right there already. So there's obviously a lot
of bad things happening with the Clippers. Things aren't going well.
There's a couple of positives, right, Yes, there's a car.
Speaker 2: There is one pretty big positive that is being overlooked
right now, understandably because they've lost an their last nine games.
But Kobe Sanders has been awesome. He's been amazing, He's
been great.
Speaker 1: What did you call him on Twitter? I don't know,
Will if you've heard this, but I think you will
agree with it.
Speaker 2: The six seven TJ McConnell, Yeah, baby, now that through that,
because Lotto was six seven, he'd probably be a much
better player and average more than like eight points per
game in his NBA career.
Speaker 1: He'd be very good.
Speaker 2: If you look at his posture and the way he
hunches over in his gait when he runs with the ball,
like you could see a little bit of shades of
TJ McConnell. And then also just effort in tangibles. That
rebound that we thought was going to lead to him
taking free throws. Instead it goes to Andre Drummond making
it a four point game, and we thought Kobe Sanders
might tie the game. His shot for him even looks
kind of similar. He's unafraid. He's making winning plays out there.
Like he looks mature. I love what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: He looks mature. And you mentioned the Andre Drummond rebound.
He also had a board late. He was going for
an offensive board late against the I think it was
the Sixers, and it caused them to have to, you know,
prevent him from getting it, and they knocked it out
of bound. So the Clipper's got an extra procession from
that too. So like he's doing the little things that
this team desperately.
Speaker 2: Needs, even hard in getting that second three after he
should have got the foul in the first one that
was because of Kobe Sanders knocking the ball out.
Speaker 1: Yes, So our question to you, Will is when are
you getting a Kobe Sanders jersey? Mm?
Speaker 3: Why does you both know? I have so many jerseys
it's going to be difficult to make room.
Speaker 1: Fans of the pod No of Updyke's jersey prowess.
Speaker 3: Prolific jersey owner William Updike. I also like the idea
that young players now they have access to tape and
fan at its of every player who's ever played the game.
And I'd like to think that maybe there's some kids
out there looking at TJ. McConnell's holme and being like,
this is the way. This is actually the way.
Speaker 1: They would be smart to you have a better It's like,
say what you will? I think that would prove a
lot of kids. Yeah, that would help a lot of kids.
I'm not shooting on McConnell. This is a compliment. I'm
giving a compliment. No, I agree.
Speaker 2: That's how you make good. Yeah, that's what he did
that playoff front last year. You remember that play where
he cooked SGA multiple times in the finals.
Speaker 1: He's a lunative.
Speaker 2: He's the kind of guy like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the kind of guy that, like, if
you want to be a pro basketball player, not a star,
that's one of the guys on the list of like
here's how to play professional basketball. Be in the right spot,
do your job.
Speaker 2: Kobe Sanders looks like an instantly good role player for
this team right now. I will say this though.
Speaker 1: Say something about our depth, but he has.
Speaker 2: To keep shooting from the outside. If the three start
to fall off, then you're in trouble. But he's not
a great athlete like TJ McConnell, but tries really hard
on defense and it's good enough because of that. He's
doing so many things well.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's shooting like thirty eight percent from three
or something where it's like, keep it up, man, we
need all of this.
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna have some run where he misses four
or five in a row and he can't pack it in.
He can't. It's going to happen. He's going to hit
that rookie moment and you just have to stick with
your confidence.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised, I guess like will I was surprised
to see not that I hold Cam Christy in some
kind of like, oh, why wasn't he getting plaid time?
But it's kind of like, I don't know. I didn't
think at the beginning of the season, even like two
weeks ago, that Kobe Sanders would be kind of firmly
ahead of Cam Christy eclipsing him.
Speaker 3: In the rotation. But I mean, you know, I should
have you know how much I study up on draft
stuff and how much college basketball I watch. I should
have known.
Speaker 1: You want the tournament to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's a huge surprise, and honestly, like
we just need him to be some type of serviceable
rotation player and it would be an absolute home run
for this organization in terms of you know what we've
had to deal with draft capability bias. We've talked about
this before when young guys kind of pop, Like, I mean,
you can't pack it in yet on this season, but like,
if you want to have any chance of like extending
a run, you have to get some of these guys
to hit. And it sucks that they're coming to you
in the second round, and uh, you know this league
is already so over scouted. But when you find a
guy like this, to Adam's point, like you have to
give them the confidence. You have to instill the confidence
in them to be able to go through the slumps
and you know, just hope that you can come out
on the other end with some some type of like
rotation player, because that's all that we need right now.
He doesn't even have to turn into.
Speaker 1: A star or something. Yeah, be a dollar a year.
Speaker 3: Yet I would be ecstatic if we somehow draft a
t J. McConnell.
Speaker 2: Look, considering how good he's been so far, the floor
might be pretty high, and who knows about the ceiling.
Speaker 3: Like, I just don't want to get too ahead of myself.
Speaker 1: No, Yeahude, now's the time. We're four and ten, bro,
get too ahead of yourself? Who cares be excited about
Kobe Sanders?
Speaker 2: Look, the key is he has to keep knocking down threes.
All the little intangible stuff I think is there, Like,
I'm not that worried about it, that's innate. But if
he can knock down threes and keep up the confidence
he's shown so far, we're in business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the business of Kobe Sanders. Does he
have a nickname? Where are we at with that? He
does foul a lot, But that feels like a rookie
issue versus like an Alex Land issue.
Speaker 2: He's not like he has to try really hard on
defense to keep up with guys. But he's doing it
just like TJ. Maybe he's the Sandman. He's putting teams
to sleep, Yo, Hobe Sanders.
Speaker 1: Putting teams to sleep. We got Sandman on there. I'm
not mad at that. Did he have a nickname in
college or anything? I'll tell you what. You know, what's
a difficult name to google because they're not quite famous yet.
Kobe Sanders. You get a lot of did you mean
Dion Sanders? Did you mean Kobe Brett? No, I didn't.
I meant Kobe Sanders. He does not have a nickname
on his basketball reference page. He does have a picture,
which is pretty good.
Speaker 2: What if we call him the one man Wolfpack because
he played in a bath?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not mad at that. Okay, the AI
overview that I didn't want to use says his nicknames
are three and K three. That's not cutting it. Pop pie,
pot pie. I like pot Pie.
Speaker 2: He only shot thirty from three in college, So I
am a little suspect of, like, is this going to
turn into a pumpkin? Is outside shooting? His shot looks good.
He's he's letting.
Speaker 3: The college shots. They were too close to the basket.
He was prepping for NBA NBA three length. So yeah, well.
Speaker 1: To that point too, Like you mentioned the athleticisms, not
you know, doesn't fly off the page or anything like that,
but in practice, the coaching staff is seeing him hit shots.
I would assume that's why he gets Yeah, the start
and roll like he's not clanging it, and then they're like,
go for it. Code.
Speaker 2: He must have wowed them to get playing time like
this and be a starter. In practice, he must have
done stuff. He must have been hitting everything, making all
the right place. He's not making mistakes out there, really, like,
I don't know. This has been a revelation. This is
this is really encouraging. Yeah, I uh, glad we start
with the positive.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much all positives. There's only one and a
half negative things.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about only ten negative things. That ten losses.
Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, we're gonna pick each thing for every loss.
Another positive thing. I said. Maybe this isn't all right.
Speaker 2: Check, we're gonna need you. You got that one again.
You're gonna have to translate robot breaking down. Oh you
know all of the internet issues.
Speaker 3: It's just too much positivity. It's breaking down the stream.
They want us to get negative on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not recognizing a Clippers stream right now because
there's so much positive talk. It doesn't make sense. It's
making a malfunction.
Speaker 3: They want to keep us down. But you know what
we refuse.
Speaker 2: This Clippers team four and ten so far, will I
do think we have to at some point maybe get
into the negatives. They do at least look like they're
playing much harder the last three games, like it is
more of a talent issue all of a sudden, which
is what you would expect with so many guys out
and not they're playing below their abilities like we saw
the first five six game games.
Speaker 3: I mean, we.
Speaker 2: Had to go.
Speaker 3: I don't know that this is the real Chuck that's
still on the string.
Speaker 1: Ask me a question only real Chuck would know.
Speaker 3: I think though, like like you know, last season, even
it's gonna be these early games when they were at
full talent and didn't have that sort of effort that
are really gonna bite them in the ass. I can
live with losing a bunch of close games and we're shorthanded,
but the fight is still in there. And yeah, those
are gonna be a coin flip. And as the under
talented team not you know, for lack of trying, you're
gonna lose a lot of those games. And I think
that that would be and and and that's gonna be fine.
I can live with that. Uh, It's just a bummer
that that they already dug themselves such a hole before
even getting to that that scenario, because you know, you
still got you still got a pretty long ways to
go to get into uh to get into the black there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you play five hundred ball from here out. We're
still six games under five hundred at the end of
the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last two games aren't the ones weren't necessarily
blaming them for. It's games earlier in the season when
they had Kawhi in there literally game one, Oh, that
was that's the only one blame for That was a
sham mockery.
Speaker 1: I think that was a good point kind of because
this was on the positives list on the breakdown. The
team is not quit on Tyler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so sick of people saying that. It's like, oh,
they don't care they quit. It's like they were down
twenty four in Boston and kept playing. That was the
time to quit and just get ready for the next game. Like,
come on, if they was quitting, then we would have
just seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's not even enough healthy guys like to quit,
if that makes sense, Like everyone on the team needs
this in some other sense, or another, like, no one's
gonna be like, oh, you were on that Clippers team
that underachieved and you got a little extra playing time
and you quit on the coach. Very cool. That benefits
nobody on the team to quit.
Speaker 2: I would still. Defensively, it's been better the last three games.
I think they're sixteenth defensively.
Speaker 3: Let's go hell yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: It's still a far cry from where we were last season.
Now you lose DJ, and I'm thinking at the end
of that game yesterday where it wasn't just Maxie but
it was Maxie and Grimes both super quick, It's like, man,
if they had DJ and Done out there, that'd be
real nice right now. So his Unfortunately, the loss of
DJ was felt immediately, but I am at least happy
that it's not a series, season ending, career changing type
of tear, which I thought it was at first.
Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, you were.
Speaker 3: You were pretty relieved with that outcome in little in our.
Speaker 2: Group chat six weeks versus he's never the same players,
pretty big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it looks like you said.
Speaker 3: But not having him until after the All Star break is.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, it's it's bad. I'm just thinking long term
right now, because he still is under contract for another
year after this and he's twenty eight, and I just
hate seeing a player get cut down right as he's
maybe having the best start to a season by the way,
Yeah he was, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Been, and his contract is Yeah, he's on ten. He's
a guy who's going to outplay. It was the ten
million dollars a year that he's making right now. He
already was.
Speaker 2: Like, let's say there is a sell off at some
point or they make some trades. That's a very valuable contract.
I'm not saying I want DJ off the team or
anything like that, but you have to start thinking about
these things a little bit.
Speaker 1: Do we think they make a trade though?
Speaker 2: Well not yet, but yeah, okay, double the record. If
they're eight and twenty.
Speaker 1: What's a trade? Yeah, I mean I get, but it's like,
what is a trade?
Speaker 3: Twenty losses before?
Speaker 2: Terrible?
Speaker 3: But what I don't think you're there's no coming back
from that.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not. I'm the next segment we're going to
talk about how all we should focus on is the
NBA Cup as the season being a success. But so
like I'm not under any impressure. We're going to be
like a four seed. But what is this roster getting you?
Speaker 2: I think the only way You're right because so many
people are like, why are we trading these guys for
picks and and younger players? Well, the problem could still
be you have to match salary. So if you're trading
James Harden, let's say, what does he make forty million? Sure,
even if you're getting a late first round pick that's
projected that way, if they give you back a guy
who has as two or three years on his contract,
let's say three, so it takes them past the twenty
twenty seventh summer, that's not a good contract for you. Yeah,
Like because you want money available in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Is a perfect fit, which I'm sure we'll talk about later.
Speaker 2: Right now, it's a second right, that's a full second
could fit.
Speaker 1: But so that's my thing with the trade thing, Like
it's like we get the highest thing this team could get.
I think is a low first round pick for James Harden.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we even But before we discuss that, have
we praised James Harden on this on this podcast, we
have that. I don't think we've even done that, and
I don't think we can really discuss the trade before
doing that.
Speaker 1: Is it even Tyler who keeps being like, it's my fault.
We got to get him some help. I'm like, is
there a help for him? He is like he is
carrying the whole franchise right now. He has the weight
of a new arena on his should I feel like
it's not just like, oh, well, the team is doing
in the standings like this is keeping me.
Speaker 3: Man, if we never would have gotten fucking stupid Paul
George and gotten James Harden instead, can you imagine this team?
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And you shouldn't because that will only make you upset,
never gets hurt. Yeah, yep, that's what happens.
Speaker 3: Everyone goes back to back to back since the ninety
eight Bulls.
Speaker 1: That is exactly what would happened.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I can't believe there are some people that
have such an agenda out there that they still elect
to blame James Harden or act like this. I could
name some names. I'm not gonna do it. Uh, there
are real people out there.
Speaker 1: The receipts for that sale, I see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the season, guys. This is well. There
will be a lot of receipts being you after some
bad gifts. Big up for Christmas. I'm trying to I'm
trying to be on the nice list.
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to even January. You don't have
to be in new You yet get back to your
old wage.
Speaker 1: You haven't even purchased a truck on what is? When
the time to buy a car? New Year's did what was.
Speaker 2: For the people who have an agenda, either because they
took Russ over James Harden or because they just think
James Harden plays too much ISO ball, like they have
better options right now for running the option, Like there's
sixteen points better per one hundred possessions when he's on
the floor on offense that without him, like it's insane.
Uh I yeah, I can't believe that. But James Harden,
it's so unfortunate he can get a chance to win
that game at the charity stripe because that might have
solidified it for some people or brought a little bit
more positive attention to what he's been able to do
it even though the Clippers are struggling right now.
Speaker 1: And to that point, with how valuable he is for
the Clippers, I guess if we were eight and twenty
they would maybe consider trading James Harden, but like they
had again, there's no reason. I don't think there's a
trade for James Harden that the Clippers would in.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's here's the other thing too, and we
kind of started the conversation here, but like, you're not
getting James Harden as a rebuilding team. So you're talking
about you're trading James Harden. Let's say you get two
first round picks, which I think is probably even far fetched,
like you're talking about you're talking about to a contender.
You're talking about late first round picks, and like sure,
maybe you could bundle them up to get one better
one or something, but like, it's not it's not life changing.
You're not you know, you're not getting the go You're
not getting the Rudi Goober deal here or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only way I would entertain it for him
or Kawhi or any of the guys that people will
bring up all the time. If you're going to have
a sell off is if you're getting at least a
late first round pick and a contract that isn't going
to limit you in either summer twenty twenty six or
summer twenty twenty seven. If you're getting back contracts that
line up with how the Clippers already have their contracts
that are on the books right now, or if you
look at their payroll, it's like, oh, they have a plan.
They are obviously getting ready for the next two.
Speaker 1: Second line right here.
Speaker 2: If you get back contracts that aren't back contracts.
Speaker 3: A late first round pick, a serviceable player, and twenty
plus million dollars in financial flexibility, like that is a
sweet heart of a deal, Like I just I don't
know that they're not.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they get more financial flexibility. I'm just
saying it's it's contract two year contracts versus the ones
they have.
Speaker 1: Now, I see what you mean.
Speaker 2: As long as it doesn't hurt their plans for the future,
I'm fine with it. If things really go off the
rails here, yeah, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: And then everybody else who's and then like so, like
you look at James Harden other than Zoo, the most
valuable trade piece the Clippers have, which I don't think
that would happen. Well, well, he is the fourth best
player on the team.
Speaker 3: But uh, to some.
Speaker 1: To the head coach.
Speaker 2: Coach Lou could have been talking about on the offensive
side of the ball. He really could have been.
Speaker 1: I'd still put Zoo third.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But he's talking about game planning and who's
gonna have the ball in their hands? Like I could
see how you would think that's a guard and not
a center. Okay, Like you have to worry more about run,
Like when you're aligning your offense, you're not as worried
about the center position.
Speaker 1: It's because they don't let Zoo handle the ball and
shoot threes. Another thing we can talk now, I'm just kidding.
I have not gotten that crazy. But okay, So after
Zoo and Harden second round picks, like, for what is
on the ross? Like what would this team get with
a fire sale?
Speaker 2: You mean, what do they trade outside of James? And
let's say you get past that, you've got a couple
of late first round picks, then what else?
Speaker 1: What is the rest of this fire sale for all
of these players that every other team wants so badly?
From that?
Speaker 3: And I think if DJ that's that, you know, that's interesting.
You could offload some salary with that.
Speaker 1: He makes ten million dollars a year there.
Speaker 3: I know, but it's not that long of a contract,
so the team would have to be well and to
resign him, which I think most teams.
Speaker 1: Would be, right, So why not keep the guy who's cheap.
He's again, he's only ten million year like for now.
Speaker 2: But if you are an a total, if you're saying
it's a totally lost season.
Speaker 1: That's good, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm saying hypothetically. If you get to that point, let's
say we all agree, Okay, they're not going anywhere. It's over, not.
Speaker 3: Be Are we saying eight and twenty or is it
before that? Twenty losses before ten wins is absolutely it's
absolutely over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's eight and twenty and you still have
like significant injuries going on, or there's another bat.
Speaker 3: Healthy, even if you're fully health healthy, it'd be worse
if Brad deal re it somehow re enters the lineup.
But we're eight and twenty eight. Guys should be able
to wear jeans on the court if they want, well.
Speaker 1: That is one thing I will say Coach lew has
slipped on is letting the guys wear gene.
Speaker 3: The fellas have been clamor into hook and jeans.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Adam.
Speaker 2: To your point, if a contender comes along and you're
near the trade deadline. Let's put it near the trade deadline,
whatever record it is at that point around there where
you're like, there's no coming back.
Speaker 1: Eight and thirty six or whatever it would be.
Speaker 3: So do you think it's howe and that trade deadline?
Speaker 1: Do you think.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many games? I mean, you're seventy
percent of the season in at the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you're three games five hundred.
Speaker 2: And I mean, you gotta see the standings.
Speaker 1: But right, I think.
Speaker 2: Who cares. The point is we all agree at that
time it's cooked. Whatever the record is to get us
to that point. Let's say we're there, right and a
contender could come along that means point of attack, defense
that has seen DJ, that knows he's not a complete
rental because you got him next year too, they might
offer you something decent draft compensation wise.
Speaker 1: He does, that's real injury on his resume now, which
sucks that.
Speaker 2: But at that point we expect him to be back
right around the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: This is assuming that he's back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a trade deadline.
Speaker 1: And nothing else goes wrong. Why would you say we're
talking hypotheticals if it's the Clippers, something's going to go wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, I just think he could be a sought after player.
Chris Dunn might be a sought after a player with
how well he's played for the Clippers. Yeah, there are
guys that teams could be looking at that are trying
to strengthen themselves heading towards the playoffs that the Clippers
aren't heading that way.
Speaker 1: I think don lines up contractually with what the Clippers
are trying to do. Though he's never going to make
a bunch of money, not that he shouldn't, but the
way the NBA struggles.
Speaker 2: They both do. They both do technically. Yeah, but if
you're getting picks and another player that is not going
to hurt your ability to go after guys in twenty
six or twenty seven, I think.
Speaker 1: You're done with great. But I don't. I just don't
know like the machinations of it. I'm not seeing a
trade where because done and DJ's what fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there are people out there that make
that much or individually make similar and they're giving a
draft pick. It could happen a first round for that.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: I didn't say the first round, but see.
Speaker 1: That's what gets me is then we're like so not
to the point of being against the trade, but then
everyone who wants the trade to be like, we only
got two really good seconds and it's like, what did
you guys expect here? What did like, Like, well, it's
not like changing, as Will said, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Not Kobe Sanders. We waited another nineteen years.
Speaker 2: Team Man was good for this team.
Speaker 1: Toby's handers from a baby again as.
Speaker 3: The team, you can't clone, and you can't clone an
adull Man.
Speaker 1: Now with the updight cloning system, there's gotta be no
you can.
Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
Speaker 1: Dude, Ballmer will figure something out, man.
Speaker 2: But they could also they could wait till this summer,
like whatever they can reevaluate, then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes like I think waiting till the summer
is the most likely outcome. Should they go four and
seventy eight or whatever we're predicting, I.
Speaker 2: Don't expect them to be that bad with how they
played the last three games. If they can get Kawhi
back and they continue to play this hard, they should
be all right.
Speaker 1: They should be all right. And I think that the
one trade that I'm incredibly against too, is the trade
to like try and refortify, like where it's like, well,
just try and make some trades to get better, and
it's like, well that's not out there.
Speaker 2: That Anthony get Anthony Davis. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Just what Clippers fans want.
Speaker 3: One thing, and I do think this is a positive too,
is like they have stayed pretty steadfast the front office
in their long term vision and like we have seen
the front office do about faces before, but it doesn't
seem to be on this, like they are looking the
long view of this, and so I do think that
that is another positive that even if everything does go
to crap, they're not gonna, like, they're not gonna be
cornered in a position where they're gonna try to like
do something crazy to salvage this season or something, because
there's no pressure to like that. You know, they have
the long view insight. They're not and that's a positive.
Speaker 2: Doom doom doo doo doo doo. Yeah, they're green day
on keeping the long view. They are not going to
quadruple or whatever double down at this point in this era. Again,
I think this is the end, right.
Speaker 1: They've been here, like we've seen and It's funny too,
because like you go all in and then what we're
still again, we're still clawing out of whatever mess was.
Speaker 2: Now, look, if they get a guy and it's a
rental and it doesn't hurt anything, Okay, but that seems
pretty unrealistic.
Speaker 1: That was kind of Bradley Beal too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if we give okay, see, a lottery pick
is over for the league. Anyways, who cares?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Damn, that was sobering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one just hit him pretty I was like, anyways,
who cares? That's like a ball peen hammer just to
the center of my head. All right, anything. I wanted
to talk about how maybe John's Collins has some room
to grow, but should we just save that for another time? Yeah,
he can get better to figure out he needs.
Speaker 2: He is pretty good against Boston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just needs to not dribble and hit his threes.
Speaker 2: I heard him in the starting lineup. Would save the season,
Hawts West, He's been worse. It's do something about him
not being up to speed with some things.
Speaker 1: Maybe. I also liked your point, Adam about how last
year the credit was to van Go for how good
the defense is, and this year the credit for how bad.
The defense is is on Tyler.
Speaker 2: It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will do the livvy duns.
They will attempt to do like it's it's insane to
be I can't believe people. That's they're just blinded by
hate at this point. They will find any reason to
try to blame coach lou.
Speaker 1: There's a funny thing happening too with my Dolphins, who
are very bad. They are four and seven. Quin's unfortunately
very similar record to the Clippers. Be Buffalo, but they
hell yeah, we did. But they in a game that
they won, left some points on the board. They went
for the touchdown. A lot of people thought they should
have gone for the field goal. Regardless they ended up
winning the game. The fan base is losing their minds
over this hypothetical that did not cost the game at all.
And it feels like that's the similar thing with like
the inger at Tyler about the defense. It's like, guys,
there's a lot wrong right now.
Speaker 2: I would say that's not similar though. What they're doing
with coach who with the defense thing is just bullshit.
Things go well, we will credit Jeff Van Gundy for
the same thing that we will We will say it's
all Jeff Van Gundy when the defense is playing well,
and when it's not, we're gonna say, well, that's coach
lows influence. That makes zero sense to me, that with
like bad process stuff even in wins. Sure, yeah, but
they're totally picking and choosing when to give credit on
this team.
Speaker 3: Margin and victory should be a tiebreaker in the standings.
Speaker 1: It is for the EMS Cup, that's not unless you
go to overtime like we did.
Speaker 3: It should be a regular season.
Speaker 1: All right, anything else before we get into this remaining
roady outlook? No any five team trade machine screenshots. We
want to share from some colleagues.
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me text Joseph I.
Speaker 1: Let men get Bill Simons all the night. All right,
coming up. If you're watching us, we're gonna be right here.
If you're listening to us, there's a quick audio break.
We're gonna be talking the remaining roady outlook and then
to haggle. No haggle coming up after these messages and
three two.
Speaker 3: One, all right, welcome back into Cliffs and Dip. We
talked about some positives. I know that's things look bleak
at times, but there are some positives going on However,
we got to look ahead to this remaining road trip.
I got about four games left, got the Magic Hornets
calves back to back and then to the Lakers. Which
is it a home game? Is it away game? Who
really knows? But update on the road to you. What
are we now? One in two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're one and two. We lost a back to
back by six points over forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: Still in play Ada.
Speaker 1: Would you say two and one?
Speaker 2: Well, the NBA basically said they're two and one. They
blew the car.
Speaker 1: Very true. That is a very good point.
Speaker 2: They hit all three free throws and there was time remaining.
But yeah, that.
Speaker 3: Should be a tie breaker in the standings too, if
you have the same record as another team. But the
two minute report did rule that you should have won
a game. Sorry you won.
Speaker 1: Lord, help the poor people who have to work customer
service for betting companies once the last two minute report
comes out. That has to make their lives a living hell.
Speaker 3: Right like another reason though that there does need to
be accountability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very true. Pissed Yellow Jersey I said earlier, the Magic,
I mean the Clippers will have some rest.
Speaker 2: They got rest advantage by day. The Magic are currently
up by twelve with four and a half minutes left
on Golden State at home, which I would prefer win
this game. Feel good about yourself. Maybe have a letdown
against the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let yourself be lulled asleep by the Clippers
and then it's a Hornets Calves back to back. Do
you think Kawhi plays any of these games? We've only
kind of talked about that.
Speaker 2: I had to guess, I would say yes. I think
he ends up playing a game before the road trip
is over.
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the back to back ones. Does
that count if it's the Lakers? Does that statement hold
true If it's the Laker.
Speaker 2: That's a road game?
Speaker 1: League Gameki, Yeah, I think the game out of this
last four that I care about the most is the
Lakers game because it's the NBA Cup.
Speaker 2: Care about the most, but not because of the Cup.
Speaker 1: Well, haggle, no haggle. Adam Will and I talked about
this on the stream a little bit. Let's just go
out all out for the NBA Cup. Yes, we should
try and win as many games as possible, but this
is the most important part of the season. The Man's LARRYO,
the thinking Man's championship. There's point differential. How does that
even work? Uh, you really gotta think to win the
NBA Cup.
Speaker 2: Haggle, no haggle, hard haggle. There's a lot of things
capital h that I like about the modern NBA and
some of the stuff that Adam Silver has done. I
think the playing is interesting and leads to more intrigue
and hopefully less tanking at the end of the year.
I'm not on board with the Cup so far, only
because for teams like the Clippers specifically, nothing good happens
for you if you win the Cup. They just say, oh,
they're gonna Cup, but they never win. Lario b like,
you just get made fun of.
Speaker 1: More Kobe, ain't it.
Speaker 2: I will hype it up and act like I didn't
say this, but I know the outcome of them winning
this tournament, and it's just everybody making fun of them
for having not won a championship before a real championship.
I mean, they made fun of the Lakers for winning it,
and Lebron like sprng champagne the locker room. It did
look kind of silly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to do the Clippers?
Speaker 1: I don't care they do it anyway. They clowned on
us when we got the newest arena in sports.
Speaker 2: But if you get a real ring, I know they
would shift too. Well, get on our level. If you're
a Lakers fins, you still got your sixteen or seventeen.
They pushed the goalpost, but this would.
Speaker 1: Be chance to win a ring this year. I'm not
saying fore go this very good chance at winning the LARRYO.
B that they have.
Speaker 2: You're not, I know, I'm not. I'm not into the
cup thing, and I just the cup play. I like,
I like the courts, but I don't know what it
means to win it. I don't. I don't see the significance.
And I just see another angle to make fun of. Like, yes,
they do it anyways, they will do it even more
and I would like less of it. But also it
doesn't even count for a game. You don't get the
win the last. They really need to change. They really
need to change the reward.
Speaker 1: It should And like the stats don't existing stats.
Speaker 2: You know these stats don't exist either. Really, they don't
add to your regular season total. They stay there.
Speaker 1: They're gonna hose Kobe Sanders on this hundred point game, right,
maybe I am, And no I'm not. We gotta lock
in SUPs quick, that's real quick. I looked, I said,
in are we only we're in second too?
Speaker 3: Cup season eighty.
Speaker 1: It's Cup season, dude, we are. We're in second in
West Group B. Man. If we get to win over
the Lakers, we are, We're right there, dude.
Speaker 2: See, I just want to beat the Lakers period.
Speaker 1: I would love that Lebron will be back.
Speaker 2: Probably it's back to night.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's Sciattica. They can flare up the Silent Killer,
the White Death. Uh yeah. So we're one and two
on the road trip. Four more games were predictions. Again,
we predicted, like I think, two and five. We're one
and two. Were certainly you were more pessimistic actually from
what I remember correctly than Will or I think.
Speaker 3: But I said three and four three was the best
thing possibly do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we're at three and four territory. We're
right there, we're halfway to four. Looking at the schedule, magic,
we're splitting that back to back and we beat the Lakers,
We're right there.
Speaker 2: Does it have to be a split on the back
to back?
Speaker 1: No, But I'm using a little bit of my brain
for that. They just lost the back to back by
six combined points, so I don't feel great about them
right now.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, the Cavaliers are on the second time.
Speaker 1: It's like Hornets Calves. It cannot be a.
Speaker 2: Big early Let's let's say, yeah, Kawhi doesn't play against
the Hornets, you still find a way. And then he
returned for the Calves and you're within a few points.
Speaker 1: And then that last two minute report maybe means a
little so okay, so we're feeling pretty good standings wise
or not, we're feeling pretty good. Uh, standings wise. Some
of the math is unkind to the Clippers. When you
look at the loss column, I don't know encouraging losses.
Speaker 2: It's only encouraging because they played so poorly. Like they
lost and they didn't play well. Now they're turning the corner.
They're getting closer to victories. They're playing like the team
we saw at times last year, but they're just coming
up short because they don't have the talent they need. Yeah,
I think they screwed on a call.
Speaker 1: Will you froze? Also, if you can still.
Speaker 2: Hear us, my guy hasn't moved in forty minutes. She
talked to that girl.
Speaker 1: They're getting screwed on a call. They missed a couple
of buzzer beaters. I don't know, man, it's it is
tough right now, Well tough right now.
Speaker 2: I really should have got one of the last two that.
Speaker 1: He should have got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, real, coach lou looked about as down as I've
seen him posting him during a regular season.
Speaker 1: He should be throwing things though, he should care more
at him.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking, well, we were talking about how
it's kind of bleak right now. Do you have anything
to add to that before we get out of here.
Speaker 3: Could be worse, It could be worse.
Speaker 1: Could be owned fourteen honestly if you look at how
they played. But you know what, the second place in
their NBA Cup group, Thank you balloons. If you're not listen,
if you're not watching us, he's missed the balloons.
Speaker 2: I also get annoyed because they hype the NBA Cup.
They literally piped it up more last year than the
NBA Finals with all the signage, with the way the
court was, that was ridiculous. Now they've realized the air
of their ways because everybody called him out on Twitter.
I literally posted the side by side about the Cup
final looked compared to the NBA finals.
Speaker 1: That's kind of shitty. Yeah, your guy Adam Sober liked things.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I like what he did in his
first six months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a tough decision to make. He really
figured that.
Speaker 2: One out Farbod was way off on that one when
he was arguing with people on Twitter.
Speaker 1: So I miss that.
Speaker 2: This was like a month ago he was talking about, Uh,
the decision he has, He's like this was. He had
a way tougher decision than he has whether the Clippers
are going to get suspended or whatever with what's happening
with the pabulatory investigations. Like, no, that was a pret
easy to say. Everybody was on one side of that one.
We who is the disappointing to demand Donald Sterling? Donald Sterling,
surely nobody else. Yeah, nobody else cared. That was the
easiest decision to make.
Speaker 1: All right, everyone take a palate cleanser. After that, We're
gonna do a happy Hour stream on Friday at six,
which should be fun confined as at YouTube dot com.
Just at Clippers Podcast full episode on Monday, and then
because of the Turkey specific holiday, on Thursday, we might
be out for a little bit. We also might be
out on Monday TVD we'll talk about how the Clippers
turn this road trip around someway or another. Well, where
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Speaker 1: You know we do an Adam Osland nationally syndicated broadcaster.
But I think this is probably the hardest part of
any of the jobs you have. Currently. We need one
positive thing for Clippers fans.
Speaker 2: I'm saying something because I did four hours slow solo
there night for Fox. Uh Man, No, what deep Daddy,
I do see flashes of last year's Clippers over the
last three games. I do, honestly, uh still a net
rating of seventeen the last three games. But they are battling,
they are they are playing hard and Kobe Sanders obviously
that's a huge, huge show for Lining going on right now.
Huge bright spot the future is bright. We've seen them
for three games and he's, uh yeah, here's here's another
plot twist. Who Shue will never play the young guys
hate al the young guys. It's like, well, Kobe Sanders
is starting like he didn't have to start. He could
start with Toomb, he could have played somebody else like
he's been playing Cam before. It was cool. I think
this team is still desperately trying to win the last
three games. That's what I saw out there. They came
off short and two of them should only been one.
But I can. I can. I can get behind a
team that plays as hard as they can and leaves
everything out there. That's what I need to see.
Speaker 1: There we go perfect. Let's hope we see it. You know,
Ken Slicker's in the NBA Cup. All right, We will
be back with y'all in a couple days. Thank you
for hanging out. I have been Chuck Buckler and as always,
let's go Clips.