Speaker 1: Just interested in esotericism that you're going to like make
Speaker 1: it your life or was there did you find yourself
Speaker 1: kind of just teetering that way, Like, at what point
Speaker 1: did you realize the cult was for you?
Speaker 2: I had no idea, no idea it. At first. I
Speaker 2: was at a party long time ago, long long, long
Speaker 2: time ago, and this lady had just said, I just
Speaker 2: got back from India and I was at an ashram.
Speaker 2: When I heard the word ashram, it sparked something in me.
Speaker 2: It created like a little chill down my spine. And
Speaker 2: I said to her, Wow, that's cool. Uh, what's an ashram?
Speaker 2: What do you do? You just hang out there? And
Speaker 2: I said, no, what do you do?
Speaker 3: Said?
Speaker 2: I just hang out there? Didn't get very far, but
Speaker 2: as time, you know, things happened when they're supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: The next week in Time magazine there was an article
Speaker 2: on ashram in India and all people from North America
Speaker 2: going there. Wow, that was very interesting. And then I
Speaker 2: met somebody and they sort of dragged me to yoga.
Speaker 2: I had no idea what yoga was, but since she
Speaker 2: at that time became my new girlfriend, I just went
Speaker 2: along and I started doing yoga. I started to have experiences.
Speaker 2: We'd do, you know, the asanas, the different postures, and
Speaker 2: then sit a little bit in sort of what they
Speaker 2: called it meditation at that time. And I never tried meditating,
Speaker 2: but when I closed my eyes, I started to have
Speaker 2: sea things and feel like I was moving somewhere. So
Speaker 2: I went and asked the yoga teacher, you know what's
Speaker 2: happening to me? First thing, he said, are you on drugs?
Speaker 2: And I said no, right, I said no. Well, then
Speaker 2: I knew that yoga teacher didn't know anything regarding something
Speaker 2: that was deeper. But an interesting thing happened. This was
Speaker 2: part of the University of Toronto Yoga Club and they
Speaker 2: owned a very large retreat not that far north of Toronto,
Speaker 2: and they were having a yoga weekend of which I
Speaker 2: took part. Somehow, this swamy from India who had been
Speaker 2: in the US was traveling back to India somehow ended
Speaker 2: up for a couple of hours at this retreat. There
Speaker 2: must have been fifty people there. Anyways, the swami, I'm
Speaker 2: going to make this really quick, asked if anybody would
Speaker 2: like to meditate. Out of the fifty people, only five
Speaker 2: myself and four others. But this Swami was not an
Speaker 2: ordinary swamy. First for an Indian, he was kind of big.
Speaker 2: But when we started meditating, he rejected something that I
Speaker 2: became visible in my mind and I could hear his
Speaker 2: voice pulling me and taking me, and then at a
Speaker 2: certain point he says, that's as far as you can go,
Speaker 2: and it all disappeared. I was not naive, and well
Speaker 2: a lot younger was twenty four or something like that,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what even to ask him. I
Speaker 2: tried asking. He ignored me. But the interesting thing is
Speaker 2: that his energy we call Shakhti, stayed in me for
Speaker 2: a month and change and I could bring up this
Speaker 2: meditation that he projected, and then I thought this is
Speaker 2: really cool. Right then somebody gave me a book autobiography
Speaker 2: of the Yogi, and reading that I started to have
Speaker 2: experiences of Yogananda and etc. And I said, wow, this
Speaker 2: is fascinating. Then I thought, well, maybe I should look
Speaker 2: for some other people. So I started looking for a group.
Speaker 2: When I saw at the local health food store, anyone
Speaker 2: interested in the esupare group ocult knowledge call this number.
Speaker 2: So I took one of those you know, those little
Speaker 2: where they put the numbers and you just rip it off.
Speaker 2: This is long before internet, etcetera, etcetera. Phone the guy
Speaker 2: and he said, Hi, have you read any books by
Speaker 2: Alice Bailey? I said, no, never heard of her. Have
Speaker 2: you been to the the No, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is, okay? And he hung up. Didn't even think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: I just hung up on me.
Speaker 2: A couple hours later, the phone rang. I picked it up.
Speaker 2: It was another person saying, if you want to come
Speaker 2: or at the Toronto Theosophical Society Tuesday nights whatever. So
Speaker 2: I went, And when I went, it was this Asian
Speaker 2: man sitting in a blue blazer, gray pants, a typical,
Speaker 2: very stereotype business thing, with a very tall wife. He
Speaker 2: was short, and there's about ten other people sitting cross
Speaker 2: legged on chairs. Then he brought out this mandela. He
Speaker 2: called it Atma Vidia and started talking about it. I
Speaker 2: got such chills and feeling running through me looking at that,
Speaker 2: I knew that's where I belonged. He became my teacher
Speaker 2: for thirty odd years. He's been dead now for fifteen years,
Speaker 2: and somehow before he died, he had achieved cities with
Speaker 2: the call in his case mantra shatti. If you came
Speaker 2: into his presence, you could feel something changing within you.
Speaker 2: But he only had maybe ten students. It's not many.
Speaker 2: And somehow his lineage or the force to shock the
Speaker 2: energy was passed to me a couple of years after
Speaker 2: he passed away. And makes what's really interesting. He's reincarnated
Speaker 2: now and I somehow the person was brought to me,
Speaker 2: not on purpose. They didn't know who he was. But
Speaker 2: he's now a young lady of about thirteen years old,
Speaker 2: and she likes meditating. He was a food flavorist and
Speaker 2: was a great cook, and she loves cooking. There's so
Speaker 2: many things. One time, a cute little story with the
Speaker 2: group I have. We have a yearly picnic and she
Speaker 2: comes to the picnic and she's playing cards with my
Speaker 2: wife and two other ladies, and she can be a
Speaker 2: little girl. But then all of a sudden, she switched
Speaker 2: and she said, first I taught Cyrus. Yeah, Cyrus, excuse me,
Speaker 2: teaches you. And then she's back as a little girl.
Speaker 2: So just a story, and you know, then after my
Speaker 2: teacher died, then it was several years later things began
Speaker 2: occulty to happen to me, and it took me a
Speaker 2: long time. And it's difficult because people make claims, and
Speaker 2: I'm very careful of making claims. In my first book,
Speaker 2: Living on the Inner Edge, which has written forty odd
Speaker 2: years after my first experience of a master of wisdom,
Speaker 2: you know, people ask me, well, did you search him? No.
Speaker 2: Back in the early mid seventies, nineteen seventy eight, to
Speaker 2: be exactly, that's the late seventies. I came home late
Speaker 2: from work. I was an art teacher. You can see
Speaker 2: some of my paintings on the background there. I was
Speaker 2: an art teacher and came home and my teacher I
Speaker 2: had rented this huge home. We were like ex hippies.
Speaker 2: My teacher and his family lived there. I lived there,
Speaker 2: A couple of other students lived. There was a three floor,
Speaker 2: huge place with three or four bathrooms, etc. And we
Speaker 2: had a meeting area. We had meditation room, plus living
Speaker 2: and a huge kitchen because my teacher was a great cook.
Speaker 2: So I came home and he's talking, having a discussion
Speaker 2: about the Great Invocation with the past president of the
Speaker 2: Toronto Theosophical Society. So I thought I could sit down
Speaker 2: and listen in. He says, no, just go up to
Speaker 2: the meditation room and meditate for a while. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I went up started to meditate, and then this four
Speaker 2: my body became paralyzed and I could feel like these
Speaker 2: lines of force running through the top of my head
Speaker 2: to the base of my spine, and instantly I knew
Speaker 2: it was the Masterurocracy. I don't know anything about him
Speaker 2: at the time, but I knew who it was. So
Speaker 2: I finished and I came downstairs. The other gentleman had left.
Speaker 2: Told my teacher that I had this experience, and he
Speaker 2: just reacted, Huh, we don't have anything to do with
Speaker 2: the Masterurocracy. That's not our line, Okay, So I forgot
Speaker 2: about it. Two weeks later, my teacher is going to
Speaker 2: Virginia Beach, you know where the Edgar Casey Foundation is,
Speaker 2: and he stopped in Montreal, Montreal, Baltimore on the way
Speaker 2: down to visit a friend before going, and that night,
Speaker 2: the Masterurocracy appears to him and teaches him a word
Speaker 2: of power or a mantra given by a master of wisdom.
Speaker 2: Not ordinary, it's interesting. He woke up during this experience experience,
Speaker 2: and then woke up his little daughter. His wife wouldn't
Speaker 2: wake up, but his daughter woke up, who's like four
Speaker 2: or five, and they chant with the master and then
Speaker 2: they fall asleep. My teacher wakes up and forgets about it,
Speaker 2: but the little girl she wakes up, Daddy, aren't we
Speaker 2: going to chant some more? Anyways, that word of power
Speaker 2: went and transformed. It like opened a portal into the
Speaker 2: higher inner ocult worlds that you can't find in books. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, you can go on YouTube and listen to
Speaker 2: a mantra. Also many oh money, put me whom namushi
Speaker 2: vaya whatever, or you know what is it? So many pops.
Speaker 2: You get a bit of energy, but it's like having,
Speaker 2: say a hand fan, and you're that's the energy level.
Speaker 2: But you get a mantra from a master. It's like
Speaker 2: sitting in front of a fan that's plugged into the
Speaker 2: wall that doesn't stop. There's a huge People don't realize
Speaker 2: the difference. And I never mentioned that, and we never
Speaker 2: talked about it out of the group. I didn't talk
Speaker 2: about it until I wrote my book, after long after
Speaker 2: my teacher had already passed away, right five years after
Speaker 2: he had passed away. That I wrote the book and
Speaker 2: talk about that, And in that book it's only mentioned
Speaker 2: two masters. But since then, as I've made progress and
Speaker 2: some of my new students are very advanced souls. They
Speaker 2: never heard of Alice Bailey, they never heard of theosophy.
Speaker 2: They man'teven hear about the occult. But somehow they were
Speaker 2: drawn to me through karmic necessity or what they call
Speaker 2: ashramic needs on the inner plane, because I'm old there.
Speaker 2: They when they came were like twenty nine. We have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with each other, but they're drawn in.
Speaker 2: And since then the masturocracy has given two more montroms,
Speaker 2: one exceedingly powerful. For instance, to give an example, my
Speaker 2: teacher was highly intelligent. He understood many philosophies. He had
Speaker 2: his awakening at sixteen at a place called Buru Budhu
Speaker 2: in Indonesia, which is an ancient Buddhist temple. It's a
Speaker 2: UNESCO United Nations UNESCO site. Now, if he never got
Speaker 2: into mantra, I know, it's funny anyways. So one, because
Speaker 2: he's questioning this mantra even though it came from the
Speaker 2: Master and he knew what it was. He had a
Speaker 2: dream where he's sitting in front of a Tibetan tanka,
Speaker 2: you know those Tibetan paintings that they have in the monasteries,
Speaker 2: and as he's meditating in front of this tanka. Three
Speaker 2: yogis appear out of the tanka before him, and they
Speaker 2: chant the same mantra, but at different rhythms and notes,
Speaker 2: and they say one is like the one you're doing now.
Speaker 2: Then there's one that's related to the advance masters, and
Speaker 2: then there's one that's for the chohans what are called
Speaker 2: the lords on the inner plane, showing him the delineation,
Speaker 2: same words, but through with different influence their power. So
Speaker 2: like many people when they chant, they do what they
Speaker 2: call joppai. You got money, money, but many, many times.
Speaker 2: But when you get through a master's only it doesn't
Speaker 2: even four or five times is too much. It's a
Speaker 2: big difference, and so your body becomes energized.
Speaker 3: Why is that mind? If I ask you why, it's
Speaker 3: too much?
Speaker 2: Because it's like sticking your finger into a socket.
Speaker 3: It's too charged, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Right, So you have to adjust yourself over time. Thus,
Speaker 2: a real esoteric group is layered or tiered. So with
Speaker 2: this mantra, I've only given it in the last few years.
Speaker 2: I've been given the right to pass it on to
Speaker 2: about ten people, not many. And when people come into
Speaker 2: the group, it's a couple of years before I even
Speaker 2: bring them into this kind of a field, so they
Speaker 2: have to adjust. So that's called the probationary field. It's
Speaker 2: the same pythagorists. If you went to the school of pythagorists,
Speaker 2: you had to be silent for two years. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was part of the discipline. That is the probation of seek.
Speaker 2: Can you do it? Will you do it? So we
Speaker 2: live in a city, people have jobs, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: I still follow the same model because that's the rule
Speaker 2: in the ocult group. And then, for instance, once I
Speaker 2: gave four or five this particular mantra through an initiation process.
Speaker 2: There's two parts to it. I waited another year before
Speaker 2: they got part B.
Speaker 3: So you gave them the first half of the mantra
Speaker 3: and let them train with it, and then you gave
Speaker 3: them the second half of the mantra. Is that What
Speaker 3: do you mean by part B?
Speaker 2: I'll explain. Okay, First I gave them the male aspect
Speaker 2: and they were Then I gave him the female aspect.
Speaker 2: Interesting the yin in the yang, Because what is a mantra?
Speaker 2: People think it's a bunch of maybe sacred words, uh
Speaker 2: something you chant but that's a mantra. Is not that
Speaker 2: at all? A mantra is the sound body of a deity. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So a mantra is the deity. So when the Master
Speaker 2: Rocracy gave us this mantra, he connected us with an
Speaker 2: expression of the logos through a deity of whose name
Speaker 2: this mantra is so particular mantra is female, then we're
Speaker 2: inspired an esoteric for the female aspect of that deity.
Speaker 2: So you have the yin in the yang.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice?
Speaker 4: And then who is the master?
Speaker 5: So you have your teacher and then your teacher. There's
Speaker 5: somebody above your teacher, Like who's the master?
Speaker 2: Well, the masters the Master Rocracy. So he he is
Speaker 2: considered the master of all mantras and rituals.
Speaker 3: And where's he come from?
Speaker 2: So he was known as the master Saint Germaine? Okay,
Speaker 2: but St Germaine he killed him off because he finished
Speaker 2: that work and then took his name is Hungarian name
Speaker 2: from the house of Rocacy?
Speaker 3: Is this now? This is stemming through Alice Bailey's work,
Speaker 3: is what you're telling me? And lucis trust Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Okay? So through the books of Alice Bailey, we are
Speaker 2: not part of.
Speaker 3: Any part of lucis Trust your own thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, nice, Okay, that's this is Trust is an organization
Speaker 2: that maintains the publishing of these books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're part of the UN.
Speaker 2: They rent space there, they.
Speaker 3: Read space there, can I rend space at the UN.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 6: It's not even a joke reject.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been part of yeah that yeah.
Speaker 3: No, of course not, of course not. I like this.
Speaker 3: It's it's quite fascinating. So I just a little I'm
Speaker 3: a comic book and anime nerd. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've ever seen anime or any kind of comic book things.
Speaker 3: But what's fascinating about what you're saying about mantras interesting
Speaker 3: enough is that in one of my favorite stories, it's
Speaker 3: the Chinese Web novel, so it's a Chinese myth and
Speaker 3: what they they One of the secret teachings in there
Speaker 3: that you come to find out is when they're doing
Speaker 3: their let's say it's their lesser banishing ritual of whatever,
Speaker 3: or they're trying to banish a space. You at first
Speaker 3: think it's just a normal spell or a banishing ritual
Speaker 3: or something to cleanse the area. But what I've come
Speaker 3: to uncover is that that is actually in and of
Speaker 3: itself an avatar or master on a higher plane. So
Speaker 3: it kind of relates to what you're saying. Fascinating enough
Speaker 3: where when you get higher up in the hierarchy of
Speaker 3: the teachings, you come to find out that this just
Speaker 3: isn't just a sacred power word that's trying to break
Speaker 3: up the monotony of the mind, but actually you're invoking
Speaker 3: a deity while you say it, is that kind of
Speaker 3: what I'm getting what you're getting at.
Speaker 2: Yes, you are invoking if you know the correct methodology.
Speaker 2: Many of these ancient Chinese stories have a lot of
Speaker 2: hidden truth. Just for a little antidote, My teacher was
Speaker 2: a blend of He had a Chinese father and an
Speaker 2: Indonesian mother. We used to go to Chinese kung fu
Speaker 2: movies in the seventies. Nice men were barely translated, they
Speaker 2: were not They were in Chinese theaters, so they weren't
Speaker 2: the dubbed ones. You know, Hey, Joe, let's go get them.
Speaker 2: They were in Chinese but with though, but many had any.
Speaker 2: My teacher would tell us some of the myth mythic
Speaker 2: stories that are behind some of these kung fu things,
Speaker 2: and some are very occult, and I fully believe in
Speaker 2: whether it's mag these things you were talking about, Maga
Speaker 2: or Magna.
Speaker 3: Their manga manga, or it's based itself of off of
Speaker 3: a Chinese web novel. Sorry my mic was muted, but yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that was fun.
Speaker 2: That's like it might have been Journey to the West
Speaker 2: because Alan who arranged this for like, he's only thirty five.
Speaker 2: They follow all that kind of nice me to do it, right,
Speaker 2: But I'm in my late seventies. So the difference. Yes,
Speaker 2: But many movies and stuff, unconsciously some ocult truths sneak
Speaker 2: sneak into it. Yeah, you know, so same with the
Speaker 2: comics sense, what is it some of these online video
Speaker 2: game type things.
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely. I mean that's what I built my whole
Speaker 3: channel based off of, is to help people understand those
Speaker 3: truths that are stemming from our media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good subtle way, yep, I do it
Speaker 2: in an unsubtle way.
Speaker 6: I find it.
Speaker 1: Y I didn't want to say I find it interesting
Speaker 1: with the with you with the mantra because like, even
Speaker 1: looking at the past, how I had used mantras a lot.
Speaker 1: It was to actually take on a god form. So
Speaker 1: It's interesting how like you said that, like a lot
Speaker 1: of times, Judith may even I know this like from
Speaker 1: hearing other people on the oto doing it or practice
Speaker 1: the lym magic. Sometimes you would take on the god
Speaker 1: form and like.
Speaker 6: So flake me.
Speaker 1: You know, I might do like less abanaghing original of
Speaker 1: the pentagram, banish everything, you know that maybe like colon
Speaker 1: or I might even go into the actagram whatever. I
Speaker 1: would do all my ritual and then like you know, me,
Speaker 1: I was lucky. I was big into Egyptian gods. A
Speaker 1: lot of people say, like, take on a pose of
Speaker 1: that god. So basical Egyptian gods. Just put one foot
Speaker 1: forward and act like the hold of the staff and
Speaker 1: you can be who.
Speaker 2: You can stand Neus in the background there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would put the so then I it
Speaker 1: would visualize myself as being that god, and I would
Speaker 1: repeat their name almost in a chance as a mantra
Speaker 1: for a while and actually visualizing whatever. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was even I guess my usage a lot of
Speaker 1: mantras too.
Speaker 2: If you understand that what you're doing and what you're
Speaker 2: saying is that somewhere in the distant past, you have
Speaker 2: numerous Egyptian lives and you're bringing out what we call
Speaker 2: a some scara, some scar as, a latent tendency that's
Speaker 2: within your soul, that's like hidden there, but under certain
Speaker 2: circumstances it comes out. And so it may be what
Speaker 2: you might say modified somewhere. But the past repeats itself always, okay,
Speaker 2: and so you if you've been doing Egyptian ritual, you've
Speaker 2: done them before. Therefore there's already a link with whatever
Speaker 2: deity you feel closest to.
Speaker 6: Mmm.
Speaker 1: I even changed a middle pillar to Egyptian because I
Speaker 1: found it like online and I even did that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was very into Egyptian stuff.
Speaker 3: Nice. So you changed the names, is what you're saying there,
Speaker 3: nick to Egyptian names.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the middle pillow?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: So will you do Egyptian?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: You see one of the paintings behind me is isis?
Speaker 2: She appeared to me and told me to painter, So
Speaker 2: I painted her the best I could.
Speaker 3: Nice. That looks good. It looks pretty good.
Speaker 2: Thank you. The strangest thing is she appeared to me.
Speaker 2: I was it a Buddhist monastery called Nama Buddha in Nepal.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I figure that out? Yeah yeah, yeah right, So.
Speaker 2: I've had many experiences, not Egypt. My wife has a
Speaker 2: lot of Egypt. But Anubis came to me, so I
Speaker 2: have the statue there. When we were in Egypt the
Speaker 2: first time we traveled to Egypt, and we took a
Speaker 2: tour the first day to go to the Pyramids. We're
Speaker 2: staying as close as possible to the Pyramids, and we're
Speaker 2: taken through and my wife goes on a camel, right,
Speaker 2: you know, rides a camel and we're walking around. It's
Speaker 2: really cool, cool as it's a cool thing to do,
Speaker 2: but it was forty degrees, which would be like ninety
Speaker 2: something if you're in the US anyway. So part of
Speaker 2: the tour was to take us to any Egyptian art place.
Speaker 2: They want to sell stuff and they show you how
Speaker 2: to make papyrus and stuff. But I'm standing in there
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I feel again this force
Speaker 2: come down on me and I don't know Egyptian stuff,
Speaker 2: And I said, Nubis just came to me. And then
Speaker 2: I had to work out when I got back to
Speaker 2: the hotel what I call an obeisance, how to invoke Nubis.
Speaker 2: And from that a whole line of Egyptian knowledge and
Speaker 2: ritual came from a Nubis.
Speaker 3: So have you have you studied any of the Golden
Speaker 3: Dawn works or anything like that, because it just sounds
Speaker 3: the systems you're working through. Is it straight from the
Speaker 3: theosophical tradition and gur jief and things like that, or
Speaker 3: what are we blending into this?
Speaker 2: That's a good question, because it is a blend, as
Speaker 2: synthesis is the right word for simplicity. I tell people
Speaker 2: I do wadry On a Buddhism, But if I talked
Speaker 2: to somebody that was following some Tibetan Waderiana, they'd say, what,
Speaker 2: that's nothing like Wadriiana. Okay, okay. So the Golden Dawn
Speaker 2: was external ritual. I have a huge book. See that
Speaker 2: big thick book in the center of that bookshelf. That's
Speaker 2: big Golden Dawn thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is that black book? No, No, I.
Speaker 2: Can't remember, but it's not Israel regarded anyways. Their ritual
Speaker 2: is external and they apply what's called the seventh Ray
Speaker 2: when you have several people together, and just like he
Speaker 2: was explaining a few minutes ago, doing this ritual, if
Speaker 2: you have some aspect of the past, of a past life,
Speaker 2: doing this, you create a dynamic force of a group
Speaker 2: of people, and you can invoke through ritual some type
Speaker 2: of entity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like an agrogor yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Most individuals don't recognize what the entity is, and that's
Speaker 2: where the danger is. When we started with our in
Speaker 2: long time ago, before we received the mantra of the Masturocracy,
Speaker 2: we were wandering around just like everyone else. Try this,
Speaker 2: try that, let's do this. And we did some ritual
Speaker 2: to try and invoke through the kabbola and even learned
Speaker 2: some Hebrew for it back then. And I know I
Speaker 2: have some as I mentioned the words some scars related
Speaker 2: to the Kabbla. I know I've done it in the past.
Speaker 2: And we started and we actually did invoke, but then
Speaker 2: we could feel that it was not the right kind
Speaker 2: of force, and we destroyed our ritual and we stopped dead.
Speaker 2: So with the mantra of that's given by the Masturocracy,
Speaker 2: the deity, we know the dt know the aspects, the
Speaker 2: purpose from what it does. That was one of the
Speaker 2: problems and why at the beginning at the end of
Speaker 2: the Golden Dawn between McGregor Mathers and when Westcott and
Speaker 2: then that other guy that came in that wanted to
Speaker 2: destroy everything. Yeah, the energy that they invoke in the
Speaker 2: rituals goes to the wrong place and it charges the
Speaker 2: wrong lower chakras, and their egos become huge.
Speaker 6: You know, it's funny. I was gonna say it goes
Speaker 6: to the head. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: It actually goes way below the head, then both below
Speaker 2: to the head, ping pongs. If you get the analogy anyway.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, spot on, Yeah, we got that.
Speaker 2: But that happens in ocult groups too, And that's one
Speaker 2: of the reasons I'm very careful with the mantra. If
Speaker 2: you can't hold or know the secret of the Holy Grail,
Speaker 2: you can't do it, because the secret of the Holy
Speaker 2: Grail is necessary when chanting a mantra, the real meaning
Speaker 2: of the Holy Grail.
Speaker 3: And and is that something that then you know not
Speaker 3: through words, but through deeds and actions or through like
Speaker 3: a feeling instead, you know the the secret of the
Speaker 3: Holy Grail through your understanding of what you're saying right now, ok.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't read about it.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It comes to inner knowledge. The Holy Grail in the
Speaker 2: Wadriyana is developing a second dairy type of body. You
Speaker 2: have to learn how to hold the energy the Holy Grail.
Speaker 2: The blood of the Christ has nothing to do with blood,
Speaker 2: but it has to do with the shakti that comes
Speaker 2: from the higher planes and has to be held somewhere
Speaker 2: and not spilt. So you have to create within yourself
Speaker 2: the holy grail and learn to hold the shakti. Because
Speaker 2: most people they have a great meditation. Wow, that's great,
Speaker 2: I feel fantastic. Then they go to a bar and
Speaker 2: have a beer and the energy gone within thirty seconds,
Speaker 2: or they start gossiping with their friends, you know, if
Speaker 2: they're at an ashram, gone within ten seconds. To build
Speaker 2: the holy grail, like if you build a building, a
Speaker 2: big building could take a year, but it takes ten
Speaker 2: minutes to destroy it. As above, so below it takes
Speaker 2: a long time to build a receptacle within you that
Speaker 2: holds and maintains this shot the energy, but by wrong
Speaker 2: action it's destroyed very quickly. That's why in ancient times
Speaker 2: the Yogis lived in caves or in the mountains and
Speaker 2: hid away because they didn't want external influences to break
Speaker 2: and give them an opportunity to lose this, so they
Speaker 2: hit out right. Gurd Jeff understood this and he played
Speaker 2: with his students and had what he called dinner for
Speaker 2: the idiots. He get them drunk, so they're shakti would
Speaker 2: leak out and he would steal it. He wouldn't drink.
Speaker 2: He's a bit of a dark magician Grd Jeff, but
Speaker 2: he's awakened where Usbensky wasn't. Didn't understand and.
Speaker 3: Why do you make that dichotomy between those two.
Speaker 2: There's a great difference. Uspensky was an alcoholic. You can't
Speaker 2: be an alcoholic and be awakened.
Speaker 3: True, But can you steal somebody's loose and be awakened?
Speaker 2: Steal somebody's oh like like like they're shakti. You know
Speaker 2: when you're with them, you can't share.
Speaker 3: It, okay, So it's almost like they're being drunk. Is
Speaker 3: them sharing it because they were stupid enough to get
Speaker 3: drunk and give it away?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Cyrus.
Speaker 2: There's a book called Warriors Way by de Rope and
Speaker 2: he spent twelve years with Uspensky and five with Gerd Jeff.
Speaker 2: He's a scientist. He was a biochemical whatever Rockefeller Scientists
Speaker 2: or something like that, world renowned. So he doesn't play
Speaker 2: games when he rates and very insightful and studied the
Speaker 2: Gurdjeff work for a long time. I do employ certain
Speaker 2: aspects of the Gerdjeff work. It's very good for self knowledge,
Speaker 2: especially the books of Maurice Nicole, the psychological commentaries. But
Speaker 2: you have to have a certain knowledge to understand those books. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Gurdjeff hit a lot. He knew certain laws and he
Speaker 2: used Aspensky as his puppet.
Speaker 6: It's funny that you mentioned the whole getting drunk thing.
Speaker 6: It's just so random.
Speaker 1: But it was a cult that we covered a long
Speaker 1: time ago called the Fellowship of Friends, and they owned
Speaker 1: like a winery and they were.
Speaker 6: A cult that pushed the Fourth Way shit on their people.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of funny how alcohol. Yeah, Yo, it
Speaker 6: was still a point to where they had.
Speaker 1: Them playing in certain uh, certain keys, like people there
Speaker 1: had to play instruments, and they were like certain they
Speaker 1: were making them play certain music so then they could
Speaker 1: actually say certain things to them in that key to
Speaker 1: influence them. It was fucking one, they know what the
Speaker 1: we're doing, dude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, but it just.
Speaker 1: It just reminded me of the wine and Fourth Way and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well in Tibetan Buddhism with Chogiam Trunk, but he
Speaker 3: is like the drunken monk and Chokium. Trump is the
Speaker 3: one who created Dharma Ocean, right that that sits in Boulder.
Speaker 3: There's Dharma like And so it's funny that he went
Speaker 3: away from Tibetan Buddhism, all the structure of it, and
Speaker 3: then became the guy who got wasted been taught to
Speaker 3: bet Buddhism to white people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think he died when he's very young.
Speaker 2: But I think higher forces saw how he's destroying Buddhism.
Speaker 2: I agree. But I met him one time. I met
Speaker 2: so many of these guys, you know that were famous
Speaker 2: back then.
Speaker 3: You know, nice, nice, But that's cool that you met Trump.
Speaker 3: I mean you met him, and did you go to
Speaker 3: Boulder or where'd you meet him?
Speaker 2: Toronto?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: He was in Toronto. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: made his people do some pretty weird stuff and the
Speaker 3: split chunk. But trumpa is the one who kind of
Speaker 3: created a spiritual war between his son and a student,
Speaker 3: and that's where you get the difference between Shambala and
Speaker 3: Dharma Ocean.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I just never valued what came out
Speaker 2: of there.
Speaker 3: I don't know me either, I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 3: telling you that that's a fascinating spiritual war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine Trump was his name trumpa Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was kicked out of England by the Buddhist society, came
Speaker 2: to America and they made made him a hero.
Speaker 3: Isn't that what we do?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know, it's crazy.
Speaker 8: I do have I do have a question for you. Now,
Speaker 8: you say you you you there's very few people that
Speaker 8: you shared those powerful mantras with, and you did mention
Speaker 8: that they usually have to do two years of being
Speaker 8: in silence.
Speaker 6: How do you No?
Speaker 2: No, that was school of Pythagoras, which was what five
Speaker 2: hundred BC. M No. All the people that are with
Speaker 2: me work have jobs for professionals.
Speaker 9: So how how do they Because like those those of
Speaker 9: us that go out into the world and we work,
Speaker 9: there are so many distractions and interference in that. So
Speaker 9: how do you guide them through following the path to
Speaker 9: empower themselves to get that fort too, to be able
Speaker 9: to maintain those mantrash.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. It's a very good question. I
Speaker 2: like one of the phrases that Geff did say, to
Speaker 2: be in the world but not of it. So one
Speaker 2: of the things that I teach is actually an open secret.
Speaker 2: It's out in the open, but people can't see it.
Speaker 2: What an individual has to do is to learn how
Speaker 2: to align with this their soul on the higher plane.
Speaker 2: But what is not clearly written in books, though it
Speaker 2: is there, is that the soul is dual. It has
Speaker 2: a duality. It exists on the higher mental plane that
Speaker 2: holds all your past, lives, all your memory. But a
Speaker 2: portion of it is within your heart and you have
Speaker 2: to awaken. It is not the personality that awakens, and
Speaker 2: it is this aspect we call it the essential nature
Speaker 2: or the essence. You have to be able to separate
Speaker 2: it from your personality. Remember, the Latin of personality is persona,
Speaker 2: which means to hide. So our personalities, which grow up
Speaker 2: through society, hides that true part of our being that
Speaker 2: we're born with is our essence. That is one of
Speaker 2: the best parts of the Gurdjev teaching, even though it
Speaker 2: exists in the Bailey teaching, etc. So when you awaken
Speaker 2: your essence or in the process of it, and you
Speaker 2: start to experience it, the strange thing is is sometimes
Speaker 2: when you touch it and get the knowledge that's there,
Speaker 2: you see that what it wants, this soul life is
Speaker 2: very different than what your personality wants because you're it's
Speaker 2: your true being and it holds your true purpose.
Speaker 7: It sounds like you're speaking of the death of the.
Speaker 2: Ego, of the what the ego? Oh not the death. No,
Speaker 2: you cannot kill the ego.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but well, it's interesting because it's like I
Speaker 5: practice Buddhism as well, so I practice nature and shows
Speaker 5: you Buddhism and it's kind of like the ten factors, right,
Speaker 5: Like you have your nature, your entity, your appearance, and
Speaker 5: then you go out in the world and you have
Speaker 5: relations with everything, and that innate power that you have
Speaker 5: inside of you is what the effect will be. Will
Speaker 5: that thing change you? Will you change that thing?
Speaker 4: Will you be able to maintain that balance?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: I like where you're going with that, okay, because it
Speaker 4: reminds me of that.
Speaker 2: So eventually, as this essence awakens, you realize where your
Speaker 2: identifications are. If you at work and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden somebody gets you upset, as soon as you get
Speaker 2: angry you want to yell at your work person, then
Speaker 2: you have to realize that you're going to lose your energy.
Speaker 2: You have to stop, try and withdraw focus, even for
Speaker 2: a few seconds and not get angry. The choice is
Speaker 2: always yours. That great saint off Wadriana Milarepa from Tibet said,
Speaker 2: the moment you become angry and identify, you drop to
Speaker 2: the lower planes, which means you lose your energy and
Speaker 2: you drop into the lower worlds. So the real test,
Speaker 2: as Kavia was saying, is creating this inner balance, and
Speaker 2: that takes years, and some people are wakened to it
Speaker 2: faster and some slower. It's a real test, and it's
Speaker 2: through meditation, study and what we call group service. There
Speaker 2: are three aspects to group service. The first service is
Speaker 2: service to your soul. That is number one, because your
Speaker 2: soul holds your true purpose and your relationship to humanity.
Speaker 2: So many people want to do so much for humanity
Speaker 2: but do nothing. By aligning to your soul, you are
Speaker 2: not only helping yourself, you're helping the group. You're helping
Speaker 2: the group that has not incarnated yet on the inner planes.
Speaker 2: Plus there's more to it. So the first service is
Speaker 2: service to your soul if you're in a group. The
Speaker 2: second service is to the group, taking part and fulfilling
Speaker 2: the functions of the group, doing the meditations to say,
Speaker 2: so everybody in the group. There's different tiers, but at
Speaker 2: each tier they all do the same meditation. One in
Speaker 2: the upper tier will do a certain type of its
Speaker 2: really contra and the one the second tier will be
Speaker 2: similar but not the same, and then the third will
Speaker 2: be much different but fulfilling your group work studying we
Speaker 2: study the same books and coming to the group meetings regularly.
Speaker 2: So like tomorrow is full moon, we have a full
Speaker 2: moon meditation. I rent a tai chi place. We usual
Speaker 2: get about twenty people in the group that come. And
Speaker 2: the third service is to humanity. But I'm not rich,
Speaker 2: nobody in the group. Well, who's lady. She may be rich,
Speaker 2: I don't know yet, but she's very new. But a
Speaker 2: person who's very wealthy can use their money to do
Speaker 2: a lot. Usually people who have a lot of wealth
Speaker 2: don't do a lot except for themselves. So through doing
Speaker 2: step number one service to your soul and the group work,
Speaker 2: you are serving humanity. For instance, there was a story
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact name, that there was this yogi,
Speaker 2: a great Lamas, and this villager found them sitting on
Speaker 2: these rocks, and so the villager ran down to the
Speaker 2: village and said, there's a saint meditating on these rocks
Speaker 2: on the near the top of the mountain. So the
Speaker 2: whole village comes up there, and you know, they bow down,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And they say to them, oh, great Yogi,
Speaker 2: please come to our village, will feed you, We'll give
Speaker 2: you a temple you can bless us and look after us.
Speaker 2: And the Yogi opens his eyes and says, why from
Speaker 2: here I bless the world. So there are different degrees, okay,
Speaker 2: and different purposes in this particular group work. We've been
Speaker 2: very fortunate in Northern School to be blessed by several
Speaker 2: masters and aligned and given teachings that are not in
Speaker 2: the books. And the trouble is is there's a cost
Speaker 2: to all that, not a dollar costs, but a cost
Speaker 2: of creating that inner balance and discipline. There was one
Speaker 2: lady in the group, very young lady, and she's a
Speaker 2: bit wild, even though she has a very good corporate job.
Speaker 2: But she resisted, stuck with the group, but resisted discipline,
Speaker 2: but eventually came to the point where she had to
Speaker 2: be disciplined. Then she finally said to me, now I
Speaker 2: understand discipline. It creates order and harmony in your life.
Speaker 2: I thought it was restrictive. It's not restrictive. It actually
Speaker 2: it creates freedom because now I understand myself. I understand
Speaker 2: my urge is how things function, and now my life
Speaker 2: is ordered. Everything works better. I'm much happier and interesting enough.
Speaker 2: She started getting more promotions. Everything started to change, and
Speaker 2: I always told her, if you're aligned to the inner
Speaker 2: ash ramp in this particular case, with our group of
Speaker 2: the masturocracy, they look after these the external for you.
Speaker 2: When I was working, I'm retired now I would get
Speaker 2: promotion stuff. I never asked. They just came because my
Speaker 2: focus was always my esoteric work. And for a time
Speaker 2: I was traveling across North America for the company. I
Speaker 2: worked for a Texas oil company, small offshoot but here
Speaker 2: in Canada, so I'm all over, but I'd still get
Speaker 2: up earlier before meetings, meditate back to the hotel, do
Speaker 2: my meditation at my books, have a traveling altar, etc.
Speaker 2: So did my job and everything works out good. And
Speaker 2: it seems to do that with most of the individual
Speaker 2: I can say almost all the individuals in the group,
Speaker 2: because then you're aligned to a higher purpose, so the
Speaker 2: secondary purpose is taken care of. Doesn't make it easier
Speaker 2: It just works that way because you never know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. But the esoteric work is not easy.
Speaker 2: One of the most difficult things people want. They talk
Speaker 2: about liberation. In our group, we're not interested in liberation
Speaker 2: or nirvana or any of that ah or peace or
Speaker 2: even peace in that respect. What happens is that you
Speaker 2: become aware of your past lives, and with your past lives,
Speaker 2: you find that there's karmic links, what they call ripening
Speaker 2: karma between you and other members. This karma has to
Speaker 2: be worked out, and that takes a lot of effort,
Speaker 2: cleaning the slate, so to speak. You become aware of
Speaker 2: it in your inner meditation. In my second book, Writings,
Speaker 2: my wife wrote a chapter on I love the name
Speaker 2: of it, but I forget it. Sometimes I think it's
Speaker 2: let's see if I can find it. Basically pass Oh.
Speaker 2: Here it is lives I've lived and the people I
Speaker 2: can't get away from because it all repeats. And she
Speaker 2: goes through because she sees the past lives of many
Speaker 2: of the individuals in the group, and she only names
Speaker 2: a few of them. Fascinating. A few years ago we
Speaker 2: were in Vienna, my wife and I traveling, and she
Speaker 2: decided to go for a walk, and I was I
Speaker 2: meditate longer than she does. And she went for a walk,
Speaker 2: and then she didn't come back for some time. A
Speaker 2: little worried to find she came back and she said
Speaker 2: she ran into this building. Saw this building. As soon
Speaker 2: as she saw it, she almost passed out because she
Speaker 2: all of a sudden remembered she being a little girl
Speaker 2: there and the Nazis coming and taking her family. Right,
Speaker 2: chilling experience. And so there was a little church across
Speaker 2: the road. She wanted to go in this church, but
Speaker 2: a voice told her no, she had to enter in
Speaker 2: the building. It had a little courtyard because it was
Speaker 2: very old, and they had it was refurbished, but they
Speaker 2: still had the old court and sit and meditate and
Speaker 2: look at it. That's the oldcult is the warrior, not
Speaker 2: to run away, but to face it right. Didn't see.
Speaker 2: We have many experiences like that. Funny experience. Give another
Speaker 2: example it's a little different. My wife and I were
Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, and I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: been to Puerto Rico, but there's a really old fort there.
Speaker 2: I think it's the oldest fort in North America, built
Speaker 2: in seventeen hundreds or something by the Spanish there a
Speaker 2: long time ago. It's a museum now, of course. So
Speaker 2: we're wandering through this place and we sort of get separated.
Speaker 2: I'm reading the history of it. She comes running to me.
Speaker 2: She says, there's this ghost that's been chasing me. It
Speaker 2: looks like a pirate. And I said, well, did you
Speaker 2: try chanting? He says, somehow it's not working. So I
Speaker 2: focus on a particular deity that can destroy all ghosts.
Speaker 2: And she said, oh, it's running away. I didn't see it,
Speaker 2: but I could feel she could see it's running away.
Speaker 2: It looked like Captain Morgan on the rum whiskey bottle.
Speaker 2: So you go places and all these things happen, you know,
Speaker 2: so it makes things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say about your You were telling
Speaker 5: us before about your cave experience. I had a similar
Speaker 5: experience when I was in Bali. I was just laying
Speaker 5: in bed and on the compound.
Speaker 4: There was like nobody there.
Speaker 5: It was just me, and all of a sudden, there
Speaker 5: was this huge whoosh that just like ran into the door,
Speaker 5: and I heard stomping on the roof, and in my
Speaker 5: mind's eye, I saw this bowl with this ring in
Speaker 5: its nose, and so I did my chanting, and I
Speaker 5: just because I was freaked out, but I was like,
Speaker 5: don't give it my energy, don't give it my fear.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna chant. I'm gonna call myself and like it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Obviously didn't bother me or anything like that, but it
Speaker 5: was pretty wild. And your experience with the cave reminded
Speaker 5: me of that.
Speaker 4: The cave story.
Speaker 2: That's very good, and that's very common in those islands.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of what we call left hand path
Speaker 2: magic and Bali and Jim Jaikar is in Indonesia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so give an example. Also, Oh, poor my
Speaker 2: poor wife, because she's so psychic. We're in the Valley
Speaker 2: of the Kings in Egypt and this is in my book,
Speaker 2: and we went back to our hotel and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, she becomes very erratic. She actually gets up
Speaker 2: and starts to run out of the hotel room. I'm saying, sweetie,
Speaker 2: what's going on? I don't know, Well, you sit down,
Speaker 2: we're better meditate. So she's just, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: run out in the street without money, without her purse.
Speaker 2: What's going on? So I sit down and I invoke
Speaker 2: one of the masters. Actually the master is known as
Speaker 2: kh and he comes instantly and he says, I can't
Speaker 2: deal with this, but this Egyptian master will come and
Speaker 2: deal with it. And instantly, this Egyptian, ancient Egyptian master
Speaker 2: who's maybe three or four thousand years old. And my
Speaker 2: wife ends up lying down on the bed and she
Speaker 2: felt like he put her a vacuum in her in
Speaker 2: her and pulled out some negative entities that had entered
Speaker 2: her in the Valley of the Kings. She said, it
Speaker 2: was like an occult surgery. Then she felt better, but
Speaker 2: she had arrest, just like after surgery. So you know
Speaker 2: that's in the book, so things like that. But that
Speaker 2: is not the ocult path. But as you make progress,
Speaker 2: you run into this, you become enter into these inner
Speaker 2: worlds and you have to learn how to protect. My
Speaker 2: job is protecting most of the individuals in the group.
Speaker 2: When something happens, then I'm allowed to invoke these masters,
Speaker 2: and some of the other individuals now can also invoke them.
Speaker 2: But all of our knowledge and some of our esoteresi
Speaker 2: stays within what we call the inner ashroom or group
Speaker 2: and the ashram on the inner plane that we belong to.
Speaker 2: But what I put in the books is to help
Speaker 2: individuals who want to go deeper, to give them some
Speaker 2: examples of experiences that are possible, but also with the
Speaker 2: teaching that can go deeper. In India, there's an ancient,
Speaker 2: ancient teaching called the Four Videos. If you read Blavatsky
Speaker 2: The Secret Doctor, and it's mentioned it's mentioned in Alice
Speaker 2: Bailey books Treaties and Cosmic Fires that there are four videos.
Speaker 2: One is called Maha VideA Guya Vidya, and just forgot
Speaker 2: the third one Yajna Vidya. But then there is a
Speaker 2: fourth and synthesizing video called Atma VideA. Maha VideA is
Speaker 2: the magics, the knowledge of the inner magic. Guya Vidya
Speaker 2: is the knowledge of the sacred sounds. Yadjna Vidya is
Speaker 2: the knowledge of rituals. And now everything involved with rituals
Speaker 2: Atmavidia blends them all. And that's the core of the
Speaker 2: teaching that I give. It's called Atmavidia. We have a mandela.
Speaker 2: And that's what I got from my teacher, was the
Speaker 2: Atmavidia teaching. And about six seven years ago the Master
Speaker 2: kh appeared to me and told me that I had
Speaker 2: to go to the Theosophical Society. Well, I hadn't been
Speaker 2: to the Theosophical Society in thirty or forty years, and
Speaker 2: I've avoided it like the plague. To me, the Theosophical
Speaker 2: Society is a state of comatose agreed except for the libraries.
Speaker 2: Except for the libraries, there's nothing there. I even went
Speaker 2: to a thing eventually in Wheaton, Illinois, and I'm so disappointed. Anyways. Anyways,
Speaker 2: so I didn't want to go, but the Master suggested it,
Speaker 2: and I discussed it with my wife, and I went.
Speaker 2: And for about six or seven months, it was like torture.
Speaker 2: I knew some of the people from ages ago. I
Speaker 2: just knew that they just weren't anywhere. But slowly I
Speaker 2: was able to start my own little group, and then
Speaker 2: my students started to arrive, and at a certain point
Speaker 2: I left again with the group. And now it's been
Speaker 2: a year and change and we're functioning just find away
Speaker 2: from the Theosophical Society. The only thing I miss is
Speaker 2: in Toronto. They have a fabulous library. But you know,
Speaker 2: by listening to the inner command or suggestion from the Master,
Speaker 2: by following it, then everything happened. And I hadn't heard
Speaker 2: from him for a long time, and then he came again.
Speaker 2: After I left the Theosophical He said, to go online.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of difficulty. I'm a lot older,
Speaker 2: not used to it. I'm adjusted. It's been a couple
Speaker 2: of years now that are doing online, getting better. But
Speaker 2: things are happening because follow this inner suggestion. What a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize is sometimes you get these
Speaker 2: inner suggestions, but then another using a Gurdjeth term, group
Speaker 2: of eyes come up and say, is that real? Is
Speaker 2: that right? Should I do that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I haven't liked that often where I'm just I know,
Speaker 5: it's hard to distinguish some times, like is that somebody
Speaker 5: trying to get in my head to get me to
Speaker 5: do something and go.
Speaker 4: Somewhere, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Or is this actually something I need to be doing?
Speaker 2: I run into that exactly. So that's what they call
Speaker 2: viveka in Sanskrit's spiritual discrimination. Give another example. In my car,
Speaker 2: I was working at a time, zipping along the highway, probably
Speaker 2: at about eighty miles an hour. We have high higher
Speaker 2: speed limits here anyway. Now, all of a sudden, there's
Speaker 2: this force that comes through me and says I have
Speaker 2: to be an Indian two months, what how am I
Speaker 2: going to arrange that? And then the thought was this
Speaker 2: real and I supposed to go here, go this particular place,
Speaker 2: you know, and all the doubts came up. But I
Speaker 2: went and I had some amazing changes that occurred that
Speaker 2: helped me. They come and you.
Speaker 5: Ended up in Bali too, was the exact same thing
Speaker 5: I had. One month it was like, I'm going to
Speaker 5: go Bali and I was like, all right, if the
Speaker 5: ticket comes, if everything folds, I'll go. And it was
Speaker 5: like within a month and it was very similar experience
Speaker 5: to that. The most magical things happen and it is
Speaker 5: it is interesting.
Speaker 2: Must have past life there too. M h yeah, So
Speaker 2: that gives a bit of an idea. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you have any questions. I've been rambling.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, let's I would do. I'm interested on how well.
Speaker 3: I mean, so your space, your space and your school
Speaker 3: is in Toronto, and so if people wanted to look
Speaker 3: more into it, they would have to go to Toronto
Speaker 3: to then be trained or learn or what does what
Speaker 3: does that kind of look like to be able to go,
Speaker 3: you know, figure out if somebody is in a good
Speaker 3: you know, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean, so that they can go online. And
Speaker 2: that's why I have Esoteric Talks twice a month, so
Speaker 2: I have people. I have a student in Los Angele
Speaker 2: Angela's somewhere in Illinois, several other states. I forget Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: somebody in Brooklyn. So most of them except for one,
Speaker 2: are moving slower. But I can recognize when someone may
Speaker 2: be ready to take a next step or something like that.
Speaker 2: So there's the online, there's Esoteric Talks, and then on
Speaker 2: the following the next coming Friday, we have a book
Speaker 2: study online and we're just finishing up letters on ocult Meditation,
Speaker 2: which is such an excellent book in direction meditation, and
Speaker 2: then we're going to move to another book by March seventeenth.
Speaker 2: I believe the Initiations and the Rays again an Alice
Speaker 2: Bailey book. But I'll point something out. The Alice Bailey
Speaker 2: books are really good. They're deeper than most people understand
Speaker 2: because there have the influence of a master, so they
Speaker 2: reach and they have different levels. And the master d
Speaker 2: Kay who wrote through I mean used Alice Bailey, even
Speaker 2: points it out that he uses blinds and until you're ready,
Speaker 2: you can miss a great deal. But because of the
Speaker 2: difficulties you have to blend other teachings, so we use
Speaker 2: Alice Bailey number one certain aspects of the Gurdjev teaching
Speaker 2: used in search for the miraculous and psychological commentaries. We
Speaker 2: do Wadriyana Buddhism, but focus a lot on the one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand songs of Millarepa. In his songs he hid
Speaker 2: the teachings. And we also really focus on the Yoga
Speaker 2: sutras of Pentanguli because there you have the delineation first
Speaker 2: of meditation from the level of pratihara to withdraw, then
Speaker 2: drana what is meant by oh callt focusing, and then
Speaker 2: diana which is real meditation, and then to samadi what
Speaker 2: is samadi and how you move from one plane to
Speaker 2: the next plane. Plus it talks about the psycho the
Speaker 2: motion of the psychology of the mind, which are called ritti.
Speaker 2: Everything that exists in this universe is in motion, nothing
Speaker 2: is still. Thus you have to understand motion. Motion is
Speaker 2: based on three factors Thomas, Rajas and Satfa Thomas's slow
Speaker 2: thick dull motion, Rojas fast quick motion and Sepha harmonious motion.
Speaker 2: How to move your mind and to change the ritis
Speaker 2: the motion what they call the modifications of the mind.
Speaker 2: So we synthesize all that, throwing a little bit of Egyptian,
Speaker 2: a little bit of Kabbalah once in a while. But
Speaker 2: I use the Tree of Life to show that it
Speaker 2: blends with the Hindu teaching exactly. And there's a secret
Speaker 2: that they call the Buddhist Kulled Kabbala, which is very hidden,
Speaker 2: and it blends also with the Tree of Life. Also
Speaker 2: based on the number eleven. The Tree of Life is
Speaker 2: ten plus dot off, which is eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hidden yes, so I oh, sorry, I have
Speaker 3: a question. What So it's fascinating that you use so
Speaker 3: you kind of use Bailey's word, but then at the
Speaker 3: same time use other works because of certain things. What
Speaker 3: do you say to people who come and ask you
Speaker 3: about the controversy about Alice Bailey, especially because if she
Speaker 3: was not really well liked by Annie Bessent and the
Speaker 3: Theosophical Society.
Speaker 2: I've never had anybody even know about Annie Besson's.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, nice, I mean nice. That's the first thing
Speaker 3: I think of is because Alice Bailey is a lot
Speaker 3: of people think that she was like somebody who deeply
Speaker 3: pushed the New Age movement with a lot of her
Speaker 3: books and teachings, and especially there's controversy and conspiracy about
Speaker 3: her having a space in the un which is kind
Speaker 3: of why I made a joke about it earlier. Is
Speaker 3: there's there's just there's conspiracies about it, and so I
Speaker 3: just wonder, how like how you deal with those types
Speaker 3: of things. Doesn't it so nice?
Speaker 2: Good things most of the people never heard of become
Speaker 2: the young people. I have one now, she's twenty seven.
Speaker 2: She had never heard of these things, but she's drawn
Speaker 2: to metic right, which is nice. You know, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: up in all those things, or he used to be,
Speaker 2: because my teacher he excelled in the knowledge of that,
Speaker 2: and he used to tell me these stories about the
Speaker 2: ts et cetera and everything. But I judged the teaching,
Speaker 2: not the personality. Even Milarepa and other great teachers said,
Speaker 2: you can find faults with the Buddha if you really
Speaker 2: want to try and find it. But it's the teaching
Speaker 2: that counts, not the personality. It's only if the personality,
Speaker 2: like a Trumpa, is drinking and doing whatever he's doing.
Speaker 2: And for instance, in Pennsylvania there forget what it's called.
Speaker 2: But years ago I went to an ashram there and
Speaker 2: it was run by Swami Rama. Yeah, so I have
Speaker 2: no idea. We read a book by him, and my
Speaker 2: teacher was going on a business trip to New York.
Speaker 2: I was drive to Pennsylvania. Then I'll go from Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: to New York, pick him up and we drive home
Speaker 2: together instead of flying it anyway. So I go and
Speaker 2: when I get there, I end up coming late. They
Speaker 2: send me to the dining room. Everybody's eating, there's one
Speaker 2: chair available, and I sit next to this lady. I
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a conversation finished, and I'm tired.
Speaker 2: I go back to my room twenty or thirty minutes
Speaker 2: laters and knock on my door. I open it. There's
Speaker 2: this lady. She said, when we were talking, you said
Speaker 2: you're going to New York in a day or so.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, can you take me with? I have
Speaker 2: to escape this place. So why wow, I'm an accountant here.
Speaker 2: I'm one of the counts that helped run the ashram.
Speaker 2: And one day when Swami Rama was in India and
Speaker 2: he was coming back, he asked if I would pick
Speaker 2: him up at the airport. And that's a great blessing.
Speaker 2: It's a darsh On. It's all this emotion. So she
Speaker 2: picked him up. As they're coming back towards the ashroom,
Speaker 2: he says, I don't want to go to the ashram yet.
Speaker 2: I want to cool. Let's go to a motel. And
Speaker 2: she a young, very attractive, very busty lady. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2: I guess he just he starts watching TV and smoking.
Speaker 2: Then he raped her when he died. I read in
Speaker 2: the New York Times there was numerous lawsuits by women
Speaker 2: against him. When I went to meet him the next day,
Speaker 2: and then I left with this lady. But I asked him, well,
Speaker 2: what do you think of the Alice Bailey teachings and
Speaker 2: the oh garbage nonsense. He was so arrogant, and yet
Speaker 2: he was idolized by people across the United States and
Speaker 2: in Canada. He came to Canada. So there are so
Speaker 2: many of these false gurus. It's so unfortunate. And he
Speaker 2: was a big name. His ashram was beautiful in the Poconos.
Speaker 2: It was huge. And so I took that lady and
Speaker 2: took her home. I don't know if that stories in
Speaker 2: my book might be, but I ran into things like
Speaker 2: that all all over Trumpa being the case and other case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: few others, but there was good ones. The like the
Speaker 2: Zen School in Rochester with Philip Keplo. He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: He died quite a while ago, but he had good school.
Speaker 2: He was a good guy. You know. He didn't play
Speaker 2: around or he was odd. But yeah, it's like a.
Speaker 5: True character thing, can't You always have to see yourself,
Speaker 5: you know, And that's what I always run into, Like
Speaker 5: with everything going on in the world, people will do
Speaker 5: what they do. They're the only ones that ever have
Speaker 5: to live with those consequences fully, you know, and if
Speaker 5: that's what feels good to their soul, I.
Speaker 4: Guess right, But yeah, you pay the karma exactly.
Speaker 5: It's like, if that's what you really want to karmaly
Speaker 5: live by, it's your choice.
Speaker 2: So one thing you have to look at if you're
Speaker 2: a spiritual teacher, say you go, you rob a bank, right,
Speaker 2: you get caught, you go to jail. But that's related
Speaker 2: to matter. You screw with the souls of others, you're
Speaker 2: creating a different type of karma. You become a deceiver
Speaker 2: of souls what they called in Greece the bousseries, the Deceivers.
Speaker 2: Those as one Yogi and he was connected to the
Speaker 2: United Nations. Shri chimoy I will take you, Believe me,
Speaker 2: and I will be the boat that will carry you
Speaker 2: to the other shore. Believe in me. It's the perfect
Speaker 2: words of a soul deceiver, which he was, you know,
Speaker 2: so you have to be careful. I think about it
Speaker 2: all the time when I'm dealing with my students. Am
Speaker 2: I doing it correctly? Am I helping their soul? How
Speaker 2: to be kind, gentle, humble and yet teach and have
Speaker 2: a certain firmness and give correct knowledge? So you don't
Speaker 2: want them going whoa, because it has happened. I have
Speaker 2: met people that have gone loony. The Tibetans in the
Speaker 2: Deeper Esoteric Wadihana said. Wadriana is like a two headed
Speaker 2: snake in a bamboo pole. Once head up from one down,
Speaker 2: you either go one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Anybody have any other questions before I ask them something?
Speaker 1: No one thing I did want to ask you service. Yes,
Speaker 1: I guess I might wrap it up after this. What's
Speaker 1: the biggest misconception you think people have about the Deeper
Speaker 1: Esoteric path? And what's the truth you wish they'd accept early?
Speaker 2: That's not an easy question. A lot of people are
Speaker 2: under the impression I can do it. But the deeper
Speaker 2: esoteric path there is. The eye has to be thinned out.
Speaker 2: And that's why I teach about the essence. We usually
Speaker 2: have because we've worked. I worked in corporate world. I
Speaker 2: was also an art teacher. But you build your eye.
Speaker 2: I am a salesman, I am a bricklayer. I am
Speaker 2: what is a doctor? That's an eye and it's big.
Speaker 2: Look how many people when they retire, how much difficulty
Speaker 2: they have because that eye can't function anymore. I'm no
Speaker 2: longer the plumber. I have to sit around my house
Speaker 2: and continually fix the kitchen sink because you identify with
Speaker 2: that eye that is the biggest thing, and it takes
Speaker 2: a long time to break that eye down. To realize that.
Speaker 2: One has to learn surrender to these higher forces that
Speaker 2: you are being guided and taken, and that's not easy
Speaker 2: to do. Therefore, people like the taro or some of
Speaker 2: these other more pseudo ocult things because their eye enjoys
Speaker 2: throwing the cards and assumes that they're helping other people.
Speaker 2: I was an astrologer for a while, and I had
Speaker 2: to stop because people will expecting the stars to give
Speaker 2: them the stamp of approval. One of the last charts
Speaker 2: I did. This lady came in. I did the chart,
Speaker 2: looked at it and said, holy cow, and I know
Speaker 2: her and her husband because we work in the same company.
Speaker 2: She's going to leave her husband. It's right there, holy cow.
Speaker 2: But I can't tell her that I don't have the right.
Speaker 2: So she kept pushing me about her marriage. I said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, difficulties this and that. You know, you can
Speaker 2: try and patch it up. She left her husband two
Speaker 2: weeks later. It was there, and I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: tell her to give her the stamp of approval of
Speaker 2: her Gemini rising with whatever. That was the last chart
Speaker 2: I really did. I do some just to see I
Speaker 2: know some esoteric astrology that's not in books that I
Speaker 2: was taught. And I looked for certain types of conjunctions
Speaker 2: and with fixed stars and tell me some things about
Speaker 2: an individual, especially if there's danger of a certain nature
Speaker 2: of individuals that's hidden. But that's not in any books,
Speaker 2: and I never shared it, still won't. My teacher was
Speaker 2: an amazing astrologer. He looked every day to see conjunctions
Speaker 2: and everything to see what different beings connected on the
Speaker 2: inner astroplanes would be affecting him. Because of this, people
Speaker 2: think what happens is on the outside. I told people
Speaker 2: three or four years ago Trump was re elected, he's
Speaker 2: animated by a destroyer, A huge destroyer is using it,
Speaker 2: and he will be destructive. I wrote that people weren't interested,
Speaker 2: but it's come true.
Speaker 6: No, who was?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Who was?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 6: Now what was it? What did he say?
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was a horrible president. You've say to somebody
Speaker 1: it was winny toe. You saw clips about how he
Speaker 1: was shitting on somebody else saying that if they had
Speaker 1: to go to war with Iran, it showed that they
Speaker 1: were shitty and couldn't just strike a deal.
Speaker 6: So I guess I guess he just told on himself.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: John Stewart said a couple of cool things the other
Speaker 2: day where he showed Trump saying we obliterated their nuclear program,
Speaker 2: and then what was that a couple of months ago,
Speaker 2: and now we're saying, well, we've got it destroyed. John
Speaker 2: Stewart's pretty good anyways. But you know, if people are
Speaker 2: interested in my book or my website, more than happy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let everybody know about those again, please.
Speaker 2: Okay, so esoteric writings. Teaching for the Current Age has
Speaker 2: quite a bit about the masters in it. At the beginning,
Speaker 2: my wife wrote Another Lady about Past Lives, but I
Speaker 2: put in a lot of teachings both gurd Jeff also
Speaker 2: a couple of essays. There were talks by my teacher.
Speaker 2: My first book has more of my experiences, like the
Speaker 2: one I talked to you guys about in the cave.
Speaker 2: I had a few others. I don't know, if there's time,
Speaker 2: I can tell you my favorite story, how I got
Speaker 2: kicked out of the largest city in India, escorted by
Speaker 2: the police.
Speaker 3: Well, you can't not tell us that, No.
Speaker 2: I'll do it really quickly. Calcutta's probably twenty or thirty
Speaker 2: million people. They can't count them. There's so many people.
Speaker 2: My teacher told me to go to this place called
Speaker 2: Blure Moth, which is in a suburb of Calcutta called Hayworth,
Speaker 2: and it's a temple complex created. You may have heard
Speaker 2: of Vivakananda. He's very well known. He was a disciple
Speaker 2: of Rama Krishna.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Raja Yoga he's we study is right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that book Raja Yoga. I have it too. Anyways,
Speaker 2: So he said, they may be a little difficult there,
Speaker 2: but try and stay there. It's huge place. So I
Speaker 2: went went into the office, came out to the desk
Speaker 2: and excuse me, but and then, what do you want? Well,
Speaker 2: I'd like to stay here. I studied everything about Rama Krishna.
Speaker 2: I'm vegetarian and meditate blah blah blah. They just looked
Speaker 2: at me and said, no, well, my teacher stood here
Speaker 2: a long time ago. No he can't stay. Well, you
Speaker 2: know I really want to. I'm here now, I can
Speaker 2: donate money. No, so I just sat down right there
Speaker 2: on the floor and started meditating. I did not move.
Speaker 2: That freaked them out. So after a while I still
Speaker 2: hadn't moved. A man came in a swami rope, you
Speaker 2: know those orange ropes. Excuse me, sir, I'm the manager
Speaker 2: in this area. What would you like? Why don't you
Speaker 2: come into my office? Went to his private office, told
Speaker 2: him that I wanted to stay there. He said, no,
Speaker 2: you can't, So I just started meditating again. He walked
Speaker 2: out of the office. A few minutes later came out, Okay,
Speaker 2: the head of the monastery will meet you. Why don't
Speaker 2: you come with me? Sure, So it's a long walk
Speaker 2: and we're walking. We come to a group of buildings
Speaker 2: and I could see a courtyard and there's a guy
Speaker 2: that has one of those naval desks, those huge, big
Speaker 2: wooden desks, big fat swan. Anyways, we walk right by
Speaker 2: him and I could tell that's the guy. Why aren't
Speaker 2: we going there? So they take me to this porch
Speaker 2: that's overlooking the Ganges River and he says, you sit
Speaker 2: here and wait. So I fold up my feet and
Speaker 2: sit in meditation post and continue to meditate. Finally, somebody
Speaker 2: taps me on my knee and they have lunch for
Speaker 2: me and a traditional Indian metal tray with veggies and
Speaker 2: very nice. So I eat. I go back meditating, and
Speaker 2: I'm meditating. Then all of a sudden, I go into
Speaker 2: a state of Samadi. That means I enter into a
Speaker 2: higher state of a field of blue I can only
Speaker 2: call a blueness where I'm an independent thought of individuality.
Speaker 2: There's no cyrus, but I could see my future in
Speaker 2: the deity and the direction. And here I'm at in
Speaker 2: a Hindu place, said I'm Buddhist and that I had
Speaker 2: to follow this particular line of Buddhism. This is before
Speaker 2: the masturocracy and everything. So I had no idea. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I come down off of that and I'm still meditating.
Speaker 2: Then beside me there's a wall and there's a knock
Speaker 2: and I open my eyes. There's a policeman. But he
Speaker 2: introduced I'm the captain, chief of police for this area.
Speaker 2: He has all of his medals on. He's in full regalia.
Speaker 2: What do you want. I want to stay here. It's
Speaker 2: really nice. I don't think that's possible, I said, let
Speaker 2: me think. So. He's very polite, actually more polite than
Speaker 2: the swamis. He goes down. There's a bathing gat and
Speaker 2: he sits down in the bathing gat and I meditate
Speaker 2: a bit, and then I realized I achieved what I
Speaker 2: had come for. I now know my direction. The future
Speaker 2: was shown and out my eyes I can see smoke
Speaker 2: coming out of the gat. And I go down and
Speaker 2: sit beside him. He says, okay, I'll leave, but I
Speaker 2: want a train, a first class ticket from Calcutta to Chennai,
Speaker 2: which is like twelve hundred miles or more. So he says,
Speaker 2: follow me, go ahead. His jeep is there. So this
Speaker 2: is nineteen seventy seven. He has a full walkie military
Speaker 2: walkie talkie. Gets on the walkie talkie. There's no cell
Speaker 2: phones or anything like that. Hey, hop in the jeep,
Speaker 2: we'll go. We get to the train station. I have
Speaker 2: a first class ticket, put into a first class cabin.
Speaker 2: There's a big guy sitting on the chair opposite. Because
Speaker 2: it's it's like a big room. I can hold four
Speaker 2: people in the first class. Always say to him, are
Speaker 2: you going to Chennai too? He says no, I'm just
Speaker 2: supposed to stay here so you don't jump off. So
Speaker 2: I got an escort out of Calcutta. He was huge.
Speaker 2: And that's in my first book, in this Living on
Speaker 2: the Enerage. But it also has a section on meditations
Speaker 2: how to do them. It has some very cool diagrams
Speaker 2: that you won't find anywhere that are stuff like this.
Speaker 2: One is a zen from the saut Zung is a
Speaker 2: zen sect. Another one's written based on how mantra functions
Speaker 2: from the logos down to the personality drawn by my teacher.
Speaker 2: And there's quite a number of those. I didn't put
Speaker 2: them in my new book, but there's the total of
Speaker 2: what it's called. The great work has a lot of
Speaker 2: sanscrit though, but shows our human psychology from an esoteric
Speaker 2: point of view, so cool stuff like that. My other
Speaker 2: book has more pictures. I don't know if I can
Speaker 2: find it fast enough. But one of the paintings I
Speaker 2: did of the Masters, I know it's at the front
Speaker 2: of the book somewhere. I never find it when I
Speaker 2: want to show people.
Speaker 3: I know. Isn't that how it works?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: You're like, I remember this amazing thing. Where is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And where can people buy these books?
Speaker 2: So Amazon, of course, okay, you on your website because
Speaker 2: it's not self published.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2: My first book didn't sell as well. It was a
Speaker 2: British publisher, so he didn't do my second book. I
Speaker 2: had to find someone else. He's out of England, access
Speaker 2: Mundy Publishing. But it's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, maybe
Speaker 2: other places, et cetera. Still sells. I get notifications this
Speaker 2: one because it's a lot longer. It's three hundred and
Speaker 2: some odd or two three hundred I think, yeah, three
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty fifty pages. I published it in India
Speaker 2: through an Indian publishing company, but they're connected all over
Speaker 2: the world. Quality is not the same as in Britain,
Speaker 2: but it's cheaper.
Speaker 3: Nice iks, so.
Speaker 2: It's available. Oops. It has some interesting charts and more
Speaker 2: some diagrams. I get a whope chart like in theosophy
Speaker 2: of the first initiation, second initiation, third initiation. Biosha showed
Speaker 2: it in the gird Jeff terminology like third initiation as
Speaker 2: man numbers five and in the Hindu uh third initiation
Speaker 2: as Maha yog and in Buddhism the sadak agra in.
Speaker 2: So all this different terminology, same thing, type of thing.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to learn in it. And you
Speaker 2: did all the writing, yes, except there's a yeah past
Speaker 2: lives and one of my students also on their past lives.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: The beginning is more stories of what the group is
Speaker 2: doing now and the experiences with the masters and some
Speaker 2: of the other beings that we have experiences with are
Speaker 2: called nagas dragons that hold wisdom and knowledge and power.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so, and I'm teaching.
Speaker 2: But this has been fun. I've enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 6: Got stories for days too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could I could talk on I'm terrible.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 3: No, we love stories. That's that's why we're here.
Speaker 2: You never got around to sleep.
Speaker 1: What is it the or the astrual paralysis or something
Speaker 1: like that. You said, yeah, next time, but it is
Speaker 1: next time. We'll we'll talk about that one.
Speaker 6: I'll bring that up first.
Speaker 3: I hope to come back, Yes, definitely.
Speaker 6: Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna wrap it up so I'll have
Speaker 1: everybody else plug this stuff as well.
Speaker 6: Judith, what is going on?
Speaker 7: Once again? Thank you for having me, Cyrus. It was
Speaker 7: a pleasure. We could go deep dive on several different topics.
Speaker 7: I'm sure to leave a bug in your ear. To
Speaker 7: leave a bug in your ear is have you thought
Speaker 7: about the similarities between Mott and your teachings.
Speaker 2: Between Oh for sure. I have a whole Egyptian section.
Speaker 2: We have an occult encyclopedia which we don't share, so
Speaker 2: it has Buddhists, Hindu, Egyptian and other type of entities.
Speaker 6: That's right, she wants to talk about.
Speaker 7: That's definitely a conversation I would love to have with you.
Speaker 2: I don't share. I can share certain parts of it,
Speaker 2: but other parts I can. My wife is very completely
Speaker 2: understand that. Yeah, she has all these memories from ancient Egypts.
Speaker 3: All right, well, uh and Brandon, my man, my man,
Speaker 3: my man, Nick, Thank you so much as always love
Speaker 3: doing this, love meeting new people. Sir. That was fantastic.
Speaker 3: You are you are wise beyond your years as it
Speaker 3: goes through. Your stories are amazing and we're gonna just
Speaker 3: gonna have to have storytelling with with you the next time.
Speaker 3: Just continue down these paths because we can learn so
Speaker 3: much through the actual experience of people. And you've you've
Speaker 3: travel you're so well traveled as well, and so I, uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I appreciate all those stories, sir.
Speaker 2: I'm not wise beyond my ears because I think my
Speaker 2: years have caught up to me.
Speaker 3: No, not at all, not at all. No, you can
Speaker 3: tell even though you got the glasses on, I can
Speaker 3: tell your your eyes are young. You know that's the wisdom.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Nick the Godfather, Grandmaster Cardinal Electric heading himself brilliant all
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Speaker 3: does at all times. I give it up to him.
Speaker 3: Thank you Nick, as always.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that, man. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and always asking great questions
Speaker 1: in it and stuff.
Speaker 6: Thank you and Kaivo what is going on? Thank you
Speaker 6: so much for making it today.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, and this is a wonderful conversation.
Speaker 5: I really really enjoyed hearing everything that you're doing with
Speaker 5: your group in your book, Cyrus. It sounds fantastic. And
Speaker 5: you all can find me at Kaivo Rose on Instagram
Speaker 5: and YouTube. I do weekly and daily astrology videos for everybody,
Speaker 5: also do personal readings and I also read Taro as well.
Speaker 4: So it was wonderful to chat with you all.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, of course, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yes yes, Cyrus, we already spoke to him.
Speaker 1: I did want to give a shout out for the
Speaker 1: super chats Howard eighty eight eighty eight, I mean that.
Speaker 6: Was ridiculous, Thank you so much. Wow, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then Tiffany eleven sent this a super chat as well,
Speaker 1: so and I did want to thank Alan for hooking
Speaker 1: us up with Cyrus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to thank you, sent him a thank you.
Speaker 2: I think it's been more wrestling or something tonight.
Speaker 6: So oh wow, okay, all right, nice.
Speaker 2: Really into Marshall. I got them into martial arts, but
Speaker 2: they found that karate was hurting their knees, so.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: So him and his wife both do sumo and judo.
Speaker 2: Cool where I did karate for forty years. I can
Speaker 2: barely walk.
Speaker 6: Kick some asshole if you have to.
Speaker 2: But thank you very much. I enjoyed this a lot
Speaker 2: and really appreciate all the nice questions and interest.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir, and again, thank you all
Speaker 1: the rejects for coming on the show and everybody in
Speaker 1: the chat.
Speaker 6: That is what's up. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: That's where we go live and until the next one,
Speaker 1: everybody be well later.