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<v Speaker 1>Your afternoon dry just got a little better. Well that's

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<v Speaker 1>the hope at least. Now back to in the zone

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<v Speaker 1>with Brandon Kravitz. Let's keep the NBA talk rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring it on my good pal Nick Whalen, NBA analysts,

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<v Speaker 2>among other things, over at rodawire dot com. You can

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<v Speaker 2>also catch him on prop Points every weekday from two

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<v Speaker 2>to three pm on Vson, the sports betting network. Nick

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<v Speaker 2>was gracious enough to have me as a co host

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<v Speaker 2>for a week plus a ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a blast, and I don't know, maybe Nick

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have as much fun. We'll let's see if we

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<v Speaker 2>can reconnect with Nick. I have a feeling that might

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<v Speaker 2>have been on us all right, Oh yeah, oh Tyler.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler's giving me the old thumbs up. Okay, double thumbs up.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Nick? I don't know if you've heard any

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<v Speaker 1>of that.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>We're good, We're good, We're all set.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who's responsible for this, but bottom line is,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on, let's talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Nix like I'm a TV superstar now. Will not be uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we will not be told around like this. So we

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<v Speaker 2>we got a chance on Visan to chat about the

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<v Speaker 2>Desmond Bayne News early in the week. This was a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days after it happened, and so it really

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<v Speaker 2>kicked things off for us, all part of what seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be the ever changing landscape of the current NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, this has to be the most fascinating that

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<v Speaker 2>this league has been in years heading into an off season,

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<v Speaker 2>between the old guard phasing out, the new guard coming

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<v Speaker 2>into their own, we don't know who's gonna pop and

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<v Speaker 2>who's not, all the injury question marks in the Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Conference and the second apron shortening these windows. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>with me on this that this feels like perhaps the

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<v Speaker 2>toughest read of where exactly we are in the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>that we've seen in years.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's accurate. I think it is Brandon, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>in the Eastern Conference, where you know, we know the

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<v Speaker 3>East has always been the weaker conference. You know, basically

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<v Speaker 3>for as long as I followed the NBA, there's been

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<v Speaker 3>a power struggle in the West where you go into

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<v Speaker 3>every year and it feels like twelve or thirteen teams

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<v Speaker 3>think they're making the playoffs, and in the East it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, there's like maybe four or five teams that

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<v Speaker 3>we think are contending for the title. The East is

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<v Speaker 3>as wide open as I can remember any conference being.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think Cleveland is a great example. They're

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<v Speaker 3>favored right now to win the Eastern Conference, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>coming off of a really disappointing playoff run in which

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<v Speaker 3>this great regular season felt like it didn't matter. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>they fizzle out in round two. And I think in

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<v Speaker 3>a typical off season, there would be a reaction to that, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be scrambling. If you're the cap, You're thinking of

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<v Speaker 3>what do we have to change? You know, who do

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<v Speaker 3>we have to keep up with in the Eastern Conference?

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<v Speaker 3>And instead, all of a sudden, you're still the favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the incumbent because of the Jason Tatum injury in Boston,

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<v Speaker 3>the salary cap catching up to the Celtics, to Alburn

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<v Speaker 3>expected to miss most about all the next season. Damian

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<v Speaker 3>Lillard of course in the same boat in Milwaukee. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think the other thing is just broadly

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<v Speaker 3>brand and we've moved out of the super team era.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It felt like for the entire previous decade like there

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<v Speaker 3>was at least one Kingkin team in each conference, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, for a while, it was who's going to

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<v Speaker 3>knock off the Miami Heat or basically whatever team Lebron

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<v Speaker 3>James is on. You could just pencil them in to

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<v Speaker 3>the NBA finals. The league is wide open, and we

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<v Speaker 3>could criticize the new CBA. I have plenty of bad

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<v Speaker 3>things to say about it if we want to go

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<v Speaker 3>down that route, but I think it has at least

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<v Speaker 3>helped accomplish this goal of preventing teams from stacking superstars.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, unless you're willing to pay an exorbitant luxury

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<v Speaker 3>tax bill like the one the Boston Celtics were facing

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<v Speaker 3>had they not gotten rid of Drew Holliday and Kristaps

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<v Speaker 3>Porzingis this week. It makes it really, really difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>build a roster where other teams look at it and say,

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<v Speaker 3>we just can't beat this team. And you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>a while in the previous decade, we saw teams essentially

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<v Speaker 3>taking themselves out of the race. You know, they're they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the Lebron Caves or they're looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Durant Warriors and saying, there is no way that

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<v Speaker 3>we can build a team that can compete with this team.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not happening right now, even with a team like Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>see very very good roster. They've built it organically. The

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<v Speaker 3>Thunder are not undeatable. We saw that in the NBA Finals.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they were trailing at the half at home

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<v Speaker 3>in Game seven after Tyres Albert went out. So the

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<v Speaker 3>Western Conference is going to be incredibly stacked up. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there are a ton of teams that can sell

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<v Speaker 3>themselves on maybe toppling the Thunder. And like we said,

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<v Speaker 3>the Eastern Conference specifically your Orlando Magic, Brandon, there we

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<v Speaker 3>go teams like that. You don't often go into a

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<v Speaker 3>season doing like, hey, this might be our year.

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<v Speaker 2>It is crazy the confidence that I see building in

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<v Speaker 2>this city.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>On this show we've been pretty measured in our expectations

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<v Speaker 2>going into next season. Perhaps that will change as we

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<v Speaker 2>feel the buzz of the season starting, and maybe our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners even disagree with me having that assessment that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been measured. When I look at the Eastern Conference specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>the Magic are going to be a factor. But if

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<v Speaker 2>is there a team that you think is that people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't maybe paying enough attention to that you think, in

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<v Speaker 2>this quote wide open Eastern Conference can really make a push.

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<v Speaker 2>We seem to be all in on Detroit on this

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<v Speaker 2>show as one of those teams that can make a leap.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there one that you've identified that said people need

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking about them as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Detroit's in the mix. I still would

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<v Speaker 3>like to see the Pistons make some upgrades this offseason.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they're necessarily in a position to

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<v Speaker 3>do that, partially because there just aren't those obvious names

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<v Speaker 3>out there right This is, you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most boring free agency classes that we've had in a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. So if you're Detroit, you know you're I

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<v Speaker 3>think you're in a similar place to Orlando. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Pistons on balance, we're healthier than the Magic last season.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Orlando more than I do Detroit going into

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<v Speaker 3>next year. Still need to see the Magic add some

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<v Speaker 3>depth pieces right now. They were one of the shallowest

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<v Speaker 3>teams in the NBA last year and kind of got

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<v Speaker 3>even shallower with the Desmond Baine trade. But much like

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<v Speaker 3>Orlando gets Jail and Suggs back, the Pistons gets an

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<v Speaker 3>IVY back. You know, maybe that is kind of what

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<v Speaker 3>you're selling yourself as the big free agent quote unquote addition,

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<v Speaker 3>but beyond those teams, Brandon I really liked what the

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta Hawks did this past week. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>basically taking a free flyer on Christaps Porzingis. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>our last memory of Porzingis is him huffing at puffing

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<v Speaker 3>through the playoffs against the Knicks, you know, barely able

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<v Speaker 3>to stay on the court. Who knows what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>with that mysterious illness. But my guess is at the

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta Hawks did their due diligence before making that trade,

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<v Speaker 3>and again they basically got Porzingis for free, and they

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<v Speaker 3>got off to the Terrence Maan contract as a part

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<v Speaker 3>of that trade. So even if that's all you accomplished,

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<v Speaker 3>that's still a net positive for Atlanta. And if they

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<v Speaker 3>can get Porzingis right, he's on an expiring contract, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's very little risk here. If Porzingis is the guy

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<v Speaker 3>that he was two seasons ago, I think that is

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<v Speaker 3>a huge, huge edition for a Hawks team that gets

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Johnson back from injury. Dyson Daniels of course, took

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<v Speaker 3>a huge step forward. So if you're looking for the

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<v Speaker 3>best value right now to win the East, I think

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta at twenty two to one is really interesting. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's going on with the Toronto Raptors, Brandon.

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<v Speaker 3>They just might go beside you, Jerry earlier this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>that was nowhere. You know, we're not that far removed

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<v Speaker 3>from beside you jury being like VGM, right, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>other organizations. You know, we're jealous of this guy. I

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<v Speaker 3>get it. You know when you look at the track

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<v Speaker 3>record outside of the Kawhi Trade, not a whole lot there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Raptors have missed the playoffs and for the

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<v Speaker 3>last five years that there is some intrigue with that roster.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to see and how some of these pieces

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<v Speaker 3>come together. I don't think the Raptors are going to

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<v Speaker 3>win the East, but I do think fifty five to

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<v Speaker 3>one is a little bit long for the amount of

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<v Speaker 3>pure talent that's on that roster and the last team

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<v Speaker 3>I'll bring up, Randon. I'm hesitant to even do this,

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<v Speaker 3>but look there, they're ten to one right now. If

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<v Speaker 3>Joel Embiid can stay healthy, now Joel and b can

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<v Speaker 3>stay healthy, the Philadelphia seventy six ers will be in

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<v Speaker 3>the mix. Now what I bet on that being the case?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not well, I be drafting Joel and Bian in

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<v Speaker 3>fantasy Hell, no, I will not be doing that. But

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<v Speaker 3>this is a team that we had penciled in as

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the second or third best team in the Eastern

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<v Speaker 3>Conference last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Joel Embiid getting sidebar?

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<v Speaker 2>Here? Is Joel Embiid going to be a first round

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<v Speaker 2>pick in fantasy basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>For most people?

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<v Speaker 2>Not me?

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<v Speaker 1>Think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. We were saying this last year, Brandon,

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<v Speaker 3>you and I were saying, don't draft him. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>worth it. You know, you need sixty plus games for

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<v Speaker 3>this to be worth it, even if he gives you

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<v Speaker 3>that crazy per game production. I think people will be

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<v Speaker 3>out this time around. And you know, and too many

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<v Speaker 3>people made that mistake last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, completely agree. It is too punitive to have a

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<v Speaker 2>first round pick in fantasy basketball that doesn't play. Talking

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<v Speaker 2>to Nick Whalen, NBA analysts from rodewire dot com, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mavericks welcome Cooper Flag into the fold. They're fortunate enough

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<v Speaker 2>to get that number one pick. That's a team that

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<v Speaker 2>could potentially compete once they get Kyrie back. But looking

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<v Speaker 2>at things statistically, I know that this is something you

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<v Speaker 2>guys have talked about extensively on your NBA shows on

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<v Speaker 2>and on Vson. What do you expect Cooper Flag's numbers

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<v Speaker 2>to look like in year one?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's interesting. You know, Draft Pings actually added some

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<v Speaker 3>Cooper Flag specific markets early this morning. You can now

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<v Speaker 3>bet on the over under for points per game and

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<v Speaker 3>rebounds per game for Cooper Flag as well as some

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<v Speaker 3>special markets. Cooper Flag have a triple double? Will Cooper

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<v Speaker 3>Flag have a forty point game next season? So the

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<v Speaker 3>over under for his points per game is set at

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen point nine for next season. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 3>really accurate projection. I would lean under. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to the type of team that typically holds

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<v Speaker 3>the number one pick, right. This isn't the Washington Wizards,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't the Charlotte Hornets. This is a Maverick team

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, was making the playoff push last season.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a Mavericks team that, if you look at the

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<v Speaker 3>odds to win the West right now, is essentially projected

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<v Speaker 3>to be the eighth or ninth best team in a

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<v Speaker 3>loaded conference. You know, I think early in the season

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to see some more ball handling opportunities, the

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<v Speaker 3>more primary creation opportunities for Cooper Flag. But once Kyrie

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<v Speaker 3>Irving comes back, I think Cooper Flagg is your third option,

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<v Speaker 3>right assuming Anthony Davis is healthy. At that point, you

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<v Speaker 3>have two all NBA guys at the top of that roster.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you have some really good rebounders on that

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<v Speaker 3>team as well. You can bet on Cooper Flag's rebounding

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<v Speaker 3>right now. It's basically over under six boards per game.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a really good rebounder. He's a really good, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>overall staff producer. But you haven Davis, you have Daniel Gafford,

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<v Speaker 3>you have Derek Lively will be back healthy. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think Cooper Flag is going to be an excellent player

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<v Speaker 3>in the long term. I don't know that we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see one of those monster statistical rookie seasons out

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<v Speaker 3>of him. I think his impact is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>more so felt in terms of wins and losses, more

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<v Speaker 3>so felt in the icest, you know, as opposed to him,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, coming out and averaging like twenty two points

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<v Speaker 3>and eight rebounds per game.

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<v Speaker 2>Right away, all right, last thing for you, Nick, more

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<v Speaker 2>troubling development for you the Ace Bailey situation in Utah

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<v Speaker 2>or VJ Edgecomb wearing the number seventy.

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<v Speaker 3>Seven equally troubling, equally troubling. You know, you never want

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<v Speaker 3>to see a young player who hasn't even played an

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<v Speaker 3>NBA game yet picking a number really north of I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, like thirty five. That's kind of a cap.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. You think of some guys who've warned numbers

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<v Speaker 3>in like the seventies, the eighties and nineties. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's Chris Weber when he went to the Pistons.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Blake Griffin when he was wearing like ninety one

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<v Speaker 3>for the Celtics. I remember Baron Davis wearing eighty five

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<v Speaker 3>for the New York Knicks, Mellow wearing like seventy seven

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<v Speaker 3>in Portland. I mean, these are that's the number you

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<v Speaker 3>take when you know your career is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's an over the hill number. It slows you down.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are big, the big number. Nobody could define me

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<v Speaker 2>on this. The big numbers, the higher numbers slow you down, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Question, no question. Now the counter to that is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the best players in the NBA, Luka Doncic, wears

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<v Speaker 3>seven to seven, So we need to keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a counter example here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's slow though, so it kind of fits. It's slow.

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<v Speaker 3>He is slow. Bj Chcomb is a completely different type

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<v Speaker 3>of player than Luka Doncic. The evidence strongly suggests that

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to wear number seventy seven, But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Lucas kind of pulling that the other way. The eighth

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<v Speaker 3>Bailey situation, I don't know how this is going to

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<v Speaker 3>go down. I think we're going to have our answer

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<v Speaker 3>by Sunday or Monday, because the Utah Jazz begin their

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<v Speaker 3>mini camp ahead of Summer League on Monday. It is

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<v Speaker 3>very rare for a prospect to not essentially immediately go

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<v Speaker 3>to his destination, and you go through the whole dog

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<v Speaker 3>and pony show, You do the press conference, you hold

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<v Speaker 3>up your jersey, you meet with the local reporters. Of now,

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<v Speaker 3>East Bailey has not made his way to Utah. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if we're looking at some sort of borderline

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<v Speaker 3>on precedent, a holdout. I don't know what east Bailey

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<v Speaker 3>expected the way that he handled the pre draft process.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think the Utah Jazz are gonna budge.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they know what they signed up for.

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<v Speaker 2>Runtalwire dot com is how you can find his work

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter at Waylan the l is a one go and.

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<v Speaker 1>Find him great stuff. As always good to catch up again,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Nick anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up next, we grade the NBA Draft a's, b's.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a few f's. We'll get to all of

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<v Speaker 2>that in just a bit.