WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:10.160 You wanted him back. He's coming back, b O b 2 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.800 Bob Letterer and he reveals his Mount Rushmore. After the 3 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:17.280 conversation yesterday, Boy Green Daily starts now. 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:20.239 I'm gonna lose my gash guard bananas. 5 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.920 Boy Green Daily starts now joints. 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:29.920 Buggy, Buggy Buggy, Let's go. 7 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:39.719 Do me. Put your seatbelts on, get ready for the ride. 8 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.039 We're the freaking New York Jets. We're built for the ship. 9 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.640 Good morning, everybody. I'm Paul Leston Junior aka Boy Green. 10 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:59.920 I'm the New York Jets digital reporter for Eavy Doc. 11 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.399 I'm welcome to Boy Green Daily, a daily New York 12 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.439 Jets video show, also available where we get your podcast. 13 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:10.480 If you're watching on the YouTube, like the video, hit subscribe, baby, 14 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.040 and I will do this. Before we get to our 15 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:17.879 special guest today is we have a very special contest 16 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.879 happening here on the show. It is the biggest giveaway 17 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.959 I've ever done in this show's history. Boo, y'all, let's 18 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:25.719 show it up there on the big board. Do you 19 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:30.000 want to go to the Jets Cowboys game for dirt cheap? Hell, 20 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.599 I've got the giveaway for you. 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We'll be drawing this winner in the month 52 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:12.960 of August. Good luck to everyone involved. Let's bleep in go. 53 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.319 We should be joined in just a few minutes by 54 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.800 our resident New York Jets historian, Bob Letter and I'll 55 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:20.840 promote his book. He'd love to hear this before he 56 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.759 ops on Beyond Broadway, Joe the Super Bowl team that 57 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.840 changed football, Bob Letterer, You guys can pick up your 58 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.360 books right now wherever you get your books. Look it up. 59 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.479 Bob gosh darn Letterer and really the goal, and I'll 60 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.240 speak for Bob here. The goal for Bob in the 61 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.039 book is everyone talks about Joe, name of Joe, name 62 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.479 of Joe, Nama, Joe Namath when there's anniversaries or this 63 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:44.240 or that, and for good reason, right, Joe Namath is 64 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.319 this iconic figure in New York Je's history. But what 65 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.719 Bob wanted to do for this book is highlight all 66 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.919 of the other players and coaches. He actually puts it 67 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.199 at the beginning of the book. Let me skip ahead 68 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:00.599 a few pages here for a second. There is a 69 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:05.199 shout out here in the book. Where is it? Is 70 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.159 it the final page? I believe so it's somewhere in 71 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:10.800 here where he gives a shout out to all of 72 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:15.400 the members of the Jets, their team, their coaching staff, 73 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.040 and everyone that came together. Yes, there it is. It's 74 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.439 on the very first page, beyond the title dedicated to 75 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.720 all fifty six players, coaches. Let me refris it dedicated 76 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.279 to all fifty six players, coaches and owners of the 77 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.839 nineteen sixty eight nineteen sixty nine Super Bowl New York Jets. 78 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.160 And this was a quote from Jim Richards, a special 79 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.560 team or Super Bowl Jets quote. We didn't have team 80 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.079 chemistry because we were winning. We won because of the 81 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:47.000 intangibles that come from team chemistry. There you go, that 82 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:53.120 book beyond Broadway Joe or their guy Bob Lederer, easy, 83 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.199 says boy Grin with even more shameless self promotion, certainly 84 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.000 for myself, but also for Bob's book. You bet your 85 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.480 sweet buns. Also for all you people out there in 86 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.120 the audience that we're saying, maybe a book bet here 87 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.160 there or the other. Bob seemed intrigued. I didn't give 88 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.800 him all the details. Will allow that to happen once 89 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.680 the phone lines open up here, uh, in a little bit, 90 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.519 we'll do that and allow you guys to ask questions 91 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:22.680 to Bob whenever that comes here on the program. All right, 92 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.319 So Bob is having a technical issue, So hang on tight, people, 93 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.240 We'll play a quick hep song. The phone lines are 94 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.319 not open. We're just gonna play this quick hep song 95 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.360 and hopefully we'll be right back. Hang on, tight, folks. 96 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:40.160 Boy like me days, Buggy days, Budge days talking just 97 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:41.120 football man. 98 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.360 Boy, Buggy Day. 99 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:52.279 Buggy Day bug and they're not Jets Football Club. 100 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:53.680 Wow. 101 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:03.879 First special scene Foster super Bowl see my dream j T. 102 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:05.600 S Chest chest chests. 103 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:19.480 Bully, you're talking Jets football mayam Bully Dames, but Dave, 104 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:28.120 but if you don't catch Football Club Wow, last the 105 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.120 best special teams watch. 106 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:35.160 The Super Bowl season with by Green Cha T s 107 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:36.720 Chest chest chests. 108 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.639 Thank you Hep for that song. I appreciate it. We 109 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.439 should have Bob in here in just a moment. He 110 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:44.680 had a technical issue on his side, so we should 111 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.199 be able to correct that here momentarily looking forward to 112 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:49.920 having a b O B on the show. And I 113 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.319 said it before, I'll say it again. This is a 114 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.480 show by the people for the people. A lot of 115 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.000 shows say that, but I don't know if a lot 116 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.000 of shows you deliver on that. I literally give you, guys, 117 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.360 is what you want. And you, guys asked for this man, 118 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.759 and he is coming back. It is bo B. It 119 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.720 is Bob Lederer. He is the author of this very 120 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.399 book I have in front of me, Beyond Broadway, Beyond Broadway, 121 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.480 Joe the Super Bowl team that changed football, and we'll 122 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:18.399 talk about that on the show today as well. And 123 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:22.480 here he is back today and weekly moving forward, Let's 124 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:27.240 bring him in. Bob Lederer, Baby, what's up, Bob boom. 125 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:31.600 This is this is my pride. Wow, this is that book. Okay, 126 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.959 I'm signed by all living members of the super Bowl team. 127 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.399 Oh my goodness, what a what a what a piece 128 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:39.959 of action there, Bob. 129 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:42.680 That's a jet's keep saying if there ever was one. 130 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.319 So if anybody wants to break into my house, my 131 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.240 wife has no jewels. But that's that's what you would 132 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:49.639 look for. 133 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.879 Okay. Hey, by the way, you know, completely unrelated, but 134 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.319 where do you normally keep it in your house? 135 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:56.079 In my living room? 136 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.800 Okay, good I just want to know so I know 137 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:01.639 exactly we're not to go because I don't plan on 138 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:02.079 doing that. 139 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:06.839 But yes, I also have a separate book that would 140 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.759 signed chapter by chapter by the same guys. 141 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:13.120 Really. Oh, that's awesome. That's cool, especially with how the 142 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:14.959 book reads for those who have not read it before, 143 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.399 that's really neat. So, Bob, we will get to the 144 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.920 callers and they have a lot of questions about the book, 145 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:25.079 and several people, to your suggestion, bad show, give a 146 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.879 shout out to him, him, shout out to him. He 147 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:28.759 bought the audio version of the books, so he's been 148 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.040 listening to it. And then we've had several by the 149 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.279 physical book as they've been going through it. So we'll 150 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.559 have some comments and things of that nature coming up there. 151 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:37.440 Thank you. 152 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.360 And Bob, let me ask you this because this conversation 153 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.919 came up yesterday on the show We need a New 154 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:48.120 York Jets Mount Rushmore from Bob Letterer, Oh, who are 155 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.440 the four greatest New York Jets of all time? It 156 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.639 became a very heated debate yesterday as people were debating 157 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.600 different eras and different qualities for this Mount Rushmore. If 158 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.720 you could only pick a Mount Rushmore of four for 159 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.519 the greatest New York Jets of all time in your opinion, 160 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.679 it would include who and let's explain each of your 161 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:07.399 decisions here. 162 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.559 Okay, Joe, so. 163 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.480 Joe Namath obviously has to be on there. 164 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:21.159 Okay, Yeah, I think Cleco just defensive lineman of all 165 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.879 time for the Jets. Okay, Carl the running back? 166 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.600 Huh no, no, go ahead, no, yeah, geez. 167 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.440 I'm sorry the running back they got for that? Uh 168 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.320 that parcels stole from New England. 169 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.159 Yeah, Curtis Martin, Curtis Martin, I'm sorry, of course, that's right. 170 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.639 Then you got the fourth and you could go player, 171 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.480 but credit being credit, I would give it. 172 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.799 To web Okay, we've you bank. Okay, So here are 173 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.759 the other guys, and Bob, you smack these if you 174 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:58.240 don't think they're worthy or not or what have you. 175 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.440 There are several several other names games that were a suggested. 176 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.480 One that created some conversation was Darrelle Revis. Where do 177 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:07.200 you stand on that? 178 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.600 Yeah, he deserves it. He would be deserving of that. 179 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:12.759 So he's in the conversation. 180 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.000 Oh, absolutely, absolutely. 181 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:17.240 And what about the legend Don Maynard? 182 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.720 Yes, but less so than than Revis. 183 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.080 Okay, du Choe, please explain why do you think. 184 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.159 I don't know? I you know he played in an 185 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:31.159 earlier era when well, I was about to say it 186 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.200 was easier to be a wide receiver. It was actually 187 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:38.120 tougher to be a wide receiver. They could they could 188 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:42.039 bump and run you from the line of scrimmage, and 189 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.240 it wasn't just five yards, and they could bump you 190 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.320 down field as long as the pass what ball wasn't 191 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:55.679 in the air. So Maynard was Maynard was. I would 192 00:10:55.720 --> 00:11:00.120 put Maynard on the old Jets team with probably the 193 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:05.240 Wesley Walker and or George Sower as the wide receivers. 194 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.120 But yeah, he's he's certainly deserving of it. There's no 195 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:09.840 doubt about it. 196 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:13.480 All Right, let me throw another one at you. Winston Hill, 197 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.440 who was recently inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 198 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.519 And I'm proud to say that one of the efforts, 199 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.720 two of the efforts in my book were to get 200 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.519 him and Larry Grantham into the Hall of Fame. And 201 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:31.440 in fact, when Winston was elected, his eldest daughter contacted me. 202 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.840 She's an opera singer. Wow, she contacted me and thanked 203 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.440 me for my efforts to get him, you know, into 204 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.000 the hall, because he was really the giant oversight. 205 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:42.799 Right. 206 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.279 But yeah, but let's face offensive lineman don't get the credit. 207 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:47.559 They don't know. 208 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:50.320 I mean, the greatest offensive lineman of all time in 209 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.039 the NFL. You wouldn't put them up on the on 210 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.879 Matt Rushmore. They would be full of quarterbacks, running backs, 211 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:58.080 and wide receivers. 212 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.039 That's true. That's uh, that's a that's a that's a 213 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.440 hard truth. So okay, so you got Winston Hill in 214 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.679 the Hall of Fame, where are you at on getting 215 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:06.720 Larry Grantham in there? 216 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:11.759 With the senior contact I keep contacting the Pro football writers. 217 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:15.440 All right, and I think Larry was on the initial 218 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:17.960 old timers list last year. 219 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:20.840 Okay, that's progress, you know. 220 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.559 It's progress. I mean, I think it's going to happen. 221 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.679 The unfortunate thing that everybody always says is what a 222 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:32.840 what a is a Yiddish word, Chandra, what a shonda? 223 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.200 That that Larry Grantham and a lot of other guys 224 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.799 have already passed away. 225 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.000 And number one pet Peeve. 226 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.240 Yeah, and if they ever get into the Hall of Fame, 227 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.080 you know, yeah, their family will represent them. 228 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:46.120 It's not the same. 229 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.000 But that's that's just a shame. 230 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.240 I'll shout out my radio show. I had a radio 231 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.759 caller very early in my radio career, maybe ten eleven 232 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.679 years ago. One of the gifts he gave me when 233 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:00.039 he found out this crazy Jets fan was joined the 234 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:06.320 radio show was an autographed photo of Larry Grantham framed 235 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.320 and I have that in my office over there across 236 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.960 across the room. It's a wonderful piece of history and 237 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:14.080 a wonderful gesture. 238 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:18.159 So I do have Larry and he and Pete Lammon's 239 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:23.840 in particular. Yeah, we're great players from that team who 240 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.759 I was in constant contact with after the book came 241 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:32.759 out for years, and unfortunately Larry passed away I think 242 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.320 in I think the Super Bowl year. I know he 243 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:36.279 wasn't that pulled that up. 244 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:37.200 Yeah, it wasn't. 245 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.559 Not the reunion. I'm pretty sure he had died. 246 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.559 Yeah, June seventeen, twenty seventeen, apparently is when he passed away. 247 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:50.720 Yeah, And that was really that's really a sad story too, 248 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:58.039 because Larry never believed in making claims for CTE and 249 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:02.080 Larry was basically diagnosed with CTE and it was too late. 250 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:08.440 He couldn't get the U three the compensation that the 251 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.480 NFL was giving him because they had passed an expiration date. 252 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.759 And that's that was. That was really sad that that happened. 253 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:21.639 But he but he actually whatever I know about playing defense, 254 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.960 UH footballer in the NFL in particular, Larry Grantham taught me. 255 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.799 We used to talk regularly on Monday morning about the 256 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.159 day before and I would ask him what did you 257 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.480 see yesterday that struck you and ask him specific things. 258 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.519 And I think I said this last week. I'll repeat 259 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.879 it real briefly, and that told me, when you see 260 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.240 defensive backs who constantly are out of position, uh, it's 261 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.440 because one they don't do their film study enough. Two 262 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:57.080 they're stupid. They don't retain. They don't they don't retain 263 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:01.000 whatever it is that they should retain, you know, in 264 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:06.320 order to know what these guys do. And it's something 265 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.000 related to it. I was reminded of the other day. 266 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.399 Maynard always preferred to run against veteran cornerbacks because he 267 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.120 knew exactly what they were going to try to do 268 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.639 against him. You put a rookie, a talented rookie opposite him, 269 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.440 and he had no idea what to expect. Yeah, and 270 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.399 so he preferred the veterans. He beat both of them. Yes, 271 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:29.000 we're playing against the veterans. 272 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.039 That's such a crazy story because I'm wearing a Bruce 273 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.000 Lee T shirt right now and people know on the 274 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.399 channel that I am a a on the edge of 275 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:42.000 a fourth degree black belt in taekwondo, and one of 276 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.480 the things I enjoy doing is sparring. And what you 277 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:48.080 just said translates to the dojang. When you're facing a 278 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.000 fellow black belt in a fight, you prefer them because 279 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.559 you sort of they all know the ethics, the morals, 280 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.399 the standards, everything. But when you get a white belt 281 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.759 in there that may be incredibly talented, but they're sort 282 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.120 of like a baby deer. They're sort of going all 283 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:05.919 over the bus. You're not exactly it's a little you know, 284 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.200 it's a little uneasy because you're not exactly sure what 285 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.960 they're gonna do because you've never there's no experience in 286 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.159 the in the doja before. So we talk about that 287 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:15.679 all the time. 288 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.399 But who do you root for in the Karate Kid movies? 289 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.159 That's a good point, Sweet the Light, Nady Cooper Kai, Yes, 290 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.320 you know, crush, that's a that's a real way to 291 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:27.480 do it. So, yeah, that is funny that that translates 292 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.720 to the football field in that way. Who else is 293 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.000 in the so obviously I mean it's the title of 294 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.600 the book, Beyond Broadway, Joe. Okay, that's obviously in the title. 295 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.600 Who else Beyond Broadway? Joe? Do you believe that Jet 296 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.519 fans don't give enough love to that should that deserves 297 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.159 a spotlight from the Super Bowl team? 298 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.879 Well, you know where, let's let's move a step down 299 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:52.759 from Mount Rushmore. Sure, you know there were so many 300 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.960 guys that year who had all Pro years. Jim Turner, 301 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.679 the kicker, Yeah, set Afl which became NFL records for 302 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.000 points in a season. I think it was one hundred. 303 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:06.480 I'll look it up in his I was thinking about 304 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.880 last night. I think it was one hundred and forty 305 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:13.200 one points in a twelve game season, and the NFL 306 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:18.440 record was broken. His record was broken years later, maybe 307 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:24.880 ten years later, by guys who had fourteen game seasons. 308 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:31.279 I think it was a kicker at Minnesota that that 309 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.400 did it. Let me, this is not a good way 310 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:35.720 to to do. 311 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:37.559 That's all right, But. 312 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.039 Where's this chapter? 313 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.000 Yeah, see, if he could throw that one on the pile, 314 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:45.119 that would be great, because we talked about it in 315 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:45.680 the beginning. 316 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:51.359 Yeah, he had an unbelievable season as a kicker. And 317 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.279 the ironic thing is we've been brought him in as 318 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.640 a free agent because the Jets kicker when we took 319 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:04.440 over was a defensive lineman that really wasn't very good, 320 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.920 but they didn't the old Titans didn't really have any choice, 321 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:14.279 and so he brought Turner in in sixty four his 322 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.920 second year. Week second year, took him literally, just called 323 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.759 him up out of nowhere, had him fly out to 324 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:27.160 the West coast, and had him do a tryout. And 325 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.880 we've tried to sign him for the next season. This 326 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.200 was in the middle of the sixty four season. He 327 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:34.680 tried to sign him for the next season, and Jim 328 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.319 refused because Jim said, I want to be a free agent. 329 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.920 I might get a better offer. No, he was probably 330 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:46.160 going to get a better offer. Was we was very 331 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:52.000 well known for being very very cheap, and so he 332 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.720 held out. He signed by the Jets for the next season. Okay, 333 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:01.079 and he slowly made his mark. I mean, in those years, 334 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:04.839 kickers who made sixty percent of their kickers were yeah. 335 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.960 Right, conversion rate acceptance rate among fans is a lot 336 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:09.640 different back then than what it is now. 337 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.480 Oh yeah, I mean he would have been booed off 338 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:16.559 the field. But but after he replaced Dick Goozman, who 339 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:19.599 was the defensive lineman I mentioned before, and he came 340 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:24.680 to camp, Jim Turner started, you know, a very good 341 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:29.400 career with the Jets. But he was good inside of 342 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.920 fifty yards, like he let me show you. I'm looking 343 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.119 at some of these numbers. Between forty and forty nine, 344 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:42.240 he was only thirty two percent, wow, and eighteen percent 345 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.599 beyond fifty He so he was not he was not great. 346 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.720 But but I think he's got a he should be 347 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:54.599 in the hall in the the honor roll around the ballpark. 348 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:56.920 Yeah, the yeah, Ring of Honor, Yes, yes, the. 349 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:02.599 Ring of Honor. Absolutely. And he got hurt in sixty 350 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:06.119 seven training camp and he lost it to a guy 351 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.799 named bouth Lustig who was had been the kicker with Buffalo. 352 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:10.079 Wow. 353 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:16.160 But then Lustig got hurt. So Turner got back for 354 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:22.839 the beginning of the season and let's see in in 355 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:28.359 nineteen sixty nine, Yep, he hit on. He had thirty 356 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.519 four field goals. He had a new klicker, Babe Perilli 357 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.359 I mentioned it was acquired from the Boston Patriots during 358 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.440 the off season. And he was not only a good, 359 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.200 good backup quarterback, he was an outstanding holder. 360 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:42.880 Wow. 361 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:46.640 He had a skill level that nobody at that point did, 362 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:50.480 and he made by Jim's own admission, he made Jim 363 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:56.039 Turner into an All Star that year and the next 364 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.960 year he was pretty good. But then when when Babe 365 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:04.240 left nineteen seventy, Jim's kicking went down. As far as 366 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.799 the Jets were concerned, they traded him to Denver and 367 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:13.880 he is in the honor area in Denver for the 368 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.920 records that he set there. So Jim Turner doesn't get enough. 369 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:24.279 I mentioned last week that the whole defensive line, Philbin, 370 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:27.599 Verlin Biggs and John Elliott, they each had over ten 371 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.559 sacks that year. That was white the sack exchange, but 372 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:35.839 they were better against the run than the sack exchange was. 373 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:42.079 So they were combination really really good. Atkinson, the middle linebacker, 374 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:46.240 Al Atkinson had a very good year that year. Jim Turner, 375 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:57.119 Jim Turner, their strong safety boy made the All Star team. 376 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.359 In fact, the week after the Super Bowl game mm HM, 377 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:05.440 eleven of the Jets went to play for the AFL 378 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:12.319 East in the All Star Game. And and that was 379 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.359 and that it probably was a record, you know for 380 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:21.559 that time. The other thing was their look, their defensive backs. 381 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.480 Billy Baird was had been a free agent by Baltimore. 382 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.319 Jim Hudson. Jim Hudson who was I'm talking about the 383 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:34.599 strong safety was a free out of Texas who had 384 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:38.759 actually played quarterback for Texas UH in the Cotton Bowl 385 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.839 one year. Johnny Sample they had he was a veteran, 386 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.079 but they had signed him as a free agent. And 387 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.319 Randy Beverly who was the other corner, had all been 388 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.200 a free agent. So I mean, that's some of the 389 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:53.000 guys who really, you know, had terrific years. And on 390 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.039 the Ovensive line, I could name all all of the 391 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.400 guys because Winston Hill and Bob Tallamany and John and 392 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.960 Dave Herman and Andy Rasmuss and were at the top 393 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.680 of their game that year. And I mentioned in the 394 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.920 book and I know I've said it here, Yes, Joe 395 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.960 is almost it was almost an impregnable offensive line that 396 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:16.640 it couldn't get You couldn't get past them. The Joe 397 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.839 he would get hit only maybe for twelve sacks a year, 398 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:23.920 and you know, twenty twenty five was the norm against 399 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.440 Moost teams. The defenses back then were much rougher, the 400 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:32.559 rules were much less restrictive as to what that's alignment 401 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:37.559 could do. And so it's you know, quite a team. 402 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.079 And of course George sour who was of course the 403 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.960 you know start number three in the Super Bowl. And 404 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.640 so I mean, I mean, it's almost nobody on that 405 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.960 starting team that I couldn't really give a start to. 406 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.400 And then you after, I have to say this, and 407 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:59.400 that is the coaches. Yes, loom what Michaels, who was 408 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:04.200 the defense coordinator, not in name, but in responsibility, just 409 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.079 had built a defense that led the AFL in defense 410 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.000 that year that you couldn't you really couldn't run against him, 411 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.000 you know, in the in the championship game at Shay 412 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.519 only accumulated like fifty five yards in a running attack 413 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.000 on thirty something attempts. They just couldn't do anything to 414 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.880 get the Jets running. And Solamonica Daryl Lamonica just threw 415 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:30.200 on almost every down and he had a big day statistically, 416 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.839 but he couldn't he couldn't get it done. So Michael 417 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.519 deserves a lot of And Cleave Rush, who was the 418 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:42.160 offensive coordinator. Yeah, and this is a great story too. 419 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:43.480 Oh please. 420 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:48.000 The end of that season, Burke Steelers needed a new 421 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.599 coach and it came down to Cleve Rush, the offensive 422 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.279 coordinator for the Jets, a guy named Chuck Noll who 423 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:02.240 was the defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Cults. Yeah, and 424 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.279 New England hired Cleve and Pittsburgh hired Chuck Noll. 425 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:13.519 Oh my gosh, wow, wow, Oh, thank goodness. 426 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.559 Cleve was an obvious choice for either one of those teams. 427 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.880 But the Jet players that I talked to all loved 428 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.000 Cleve but said he was not head coaching material because 429 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:27.559 he was way too sensitive and so he lasted in 430 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:29.599 New England a year and a half, maybe it was 431 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.559 two years. And Chuck Noll, whatever happened to Chuck Noll, 432 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:33.599 Chuck and all. 433 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.039 God, that name sounds awfully familiar. I'll have to hit 434 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.480 that with a Google search to get back to you. 435 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.200 Do a Google are on. 436 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.160 Well, let me ask you this, because this was a 437 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.920 question that came up yesterday. How does the talent of 438 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.039 the how did the talent of the AFL compared to 439 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.319 the NFL. Because that's why are some people when we're 440 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.440 talking about this about rushmore conversation doctor guy like Don Maynard, 441 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.680 because they said he wasn't consistently going against NFL talent 442 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.519 and thus maybe some of the numbers could have been bloated. 443 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.160 I'd say in the early years, the numbers probably were bloated. 444 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:11.200 He was playing against NFL rejects in Canadian League players 445 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:18.119 guys like Don Maynard, Blaine len Dawson, Dave Perrilly, George Blanda, 446 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.160 I could name a whole bunch of others, mostly offensive 447 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:29.359 players had not been given as good a shot in 448 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:33.440 the NFL as as they may be deserved. I mean, 449 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.200 Len Dawson is a classic example. He just didn't get 450 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.599 that much of a chance with Pittsburgh. Blanda had kicked 451 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.960 around in the NFL with the Bears and Detroit. I 452 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.799 believe he was not young when he came to the AFL. 453 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.880 Same with Parilli. Perilli was the number two draft choice 454 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.759 in the NFL in nineteen fifty two by Green Bay, 455 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.319 and he was on green Bay, he was on Cleveland, 456 00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.960 he was on Detroit. He had a second shot at 457 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:06.400 Green Bay when Lombardi came in and Vince said, nice 458 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:12.559 to meet you, goodbye. So Maynard Maynard came in and 459 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.880 he had some big years with terrible quarterbacks that the 460 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.160 Titans had, And it wasn't until Nameless showed up in 461 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:22.599 sixty five that Maynard really had a professional But they 462 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.400 were playing against mediocre talent I'd say into the sixty 463 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:31.319 four season. But that's when the Jets opened their wallet 464 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.839 and started putting out big money and that forced the 465 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.519 other teams. Actually, San Diego had been doing that too. 466 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.720 San Diego had a good talented roster of collegiate players 467 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.880 that they had signed, and Kansas City did do because 468 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.079 Lamar Hunter was an oil man, had money Galore, there 469 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.039 was no problem there, but it was the rest of 470 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.799 the league. And once the Jets started spending, a number 471 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.599 of the other AFL teams started spending two and guys 472 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.160 like Otis Taylor, who the Dallas Cowboys tried to hide 473 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:07.160 in a hotel room I think in Dallas and the 474 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:13.440 Kansas City Scotch just basically broke through the window. So 475 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:18.079 these young talents started to get into the AFL. Famously, 476 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.559 in my book, I said to Matt Snell, you know, 477 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.839 your rookie year in sixty four, that was really your 478 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.880 best year as a pro. And he said to me, 479 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.799 look at the competition I was playing against. And in 480 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.000 other words, what he was telling me was the competition 481 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.880 got better and better and better every year, and it 482 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:43.119 became harder, you know, for him to really go past 483 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.359 what he was already achieving. But you know, it really 484 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.759 was a matter of bringing in young players and letting 485 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.440 them grow and be coached up. I mean, Dave Herman 486 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.319 is a great example. He was drafted the same year 487 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.480 as Snell by the Jets and the Giants, and Dave 488 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:04.720 Herman decided to sign with the Jets. He immediately started 489 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:13.559 and and Weeb, who was a master coach of offensive linemen, quarterbacks, kickers, 490 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.000 offensive linemen. You know, it took him under you know, 491 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.240 his wing Winston Hill cut by Baltimore at the end 492 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.400 of the sixty three training camp. Yeah, and Don Shula 493 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.759 was telling guys he was cutting, go up to New 494 00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.079 York and talk to Web. I think he needs some players. 495 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:32.960 Wow. 496 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.279 Wow. So the talent started to get bigger and bigger. 497 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.599 And what Super Bowl three really showed the AFL had 498 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.119 caught up as far as personnel, and Kansas City, you know, 499 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.519 made a giant extra impression on that the next year 500 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.279 because Kansas City was loaded with guys. Talk about guys 501 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.319 who should be in the Hall of Fame. You could 502 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.920 probably put a third of the guys who started for 503 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.640 Kansas City in the Hall of Fame because they're they're 504 00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.680 just so memorable and they were so talented. 505 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.599 Can you tell me anything about this player, because this 506 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.000 player is coming up. Because Justin Fields gets added to 507 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.119 the team and a lot of people go, well, let's 508 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.359 look at the previous rushing records for quarterbacks, and in 509 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.119 the modern era, Geno Smith gets brought up twenty thirteen 510 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:15.640 at three and sixty six rushing yards. But I'm like, 511 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.279 there's got to be more than that. So I keep 512 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.359 digging in history, digging in history, and I come up 513 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.880 on a guy named al Duo from the New York 514 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.079 Titans days, and he had I think it's four fifty 515 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:28.160 and change or something in a single season. 516 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.039 Eldaro is one of those. I think he was held. 517 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.359 He had had a chance in the NFL and I 518 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.480 think in the Canadian League. 519 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.519 Yeah, so what can you tell me about him? 520 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.480 You can see some old time film of al Daro 521 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:48.119 on YouTube playing. He was He was a shifty quarterback. 522 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.240 He wasn't big in athletic or anything like that, but 523 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.799 he was shifty. You remember how you've probably seen film 524 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.200 you weren't around friend Tarkington, a little guy, he's like 525 00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:01.039 five to eleven, maybe he was six feet and he'd 526 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.799 drop out of the pocket and he'd go left and he'd. 527 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.440 Go right, squirrely. Yeah, he's right. 528 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.319 Dar wasn't do wasn't that talented, and he certainly didn't 529 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.480 call plays for him to run with the ball. But 530 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.720 there were instances that again you can see on film 531 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.319 of him scrambling, you know, downfield. 532 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.119 So was most of that scrambling not design quarterback runs. 533 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:24.480 Not design. 534 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.240 No there, Oh my gosh, that's incredible. 535 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.039 No design. That shows you how bad the offensive line 536 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:30.880 was apparently. 537 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.400 Yeah. But also the numbers to get to a four 538 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.559 to sixty and change number based purely off of scrambles. 539 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.839 I mean that's insane. Regardless of the twenty twenty five 540 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.799 or nineteen sixty that is wow. 541 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.440 Well, you know, I'll just dispute you there, because nineteen sixty, 542 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.119 sixty one, sixty two, go back, go back and look 543 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.240 at the rosters, which you can do. There's a roster page. 544 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.200 Yeah, Pro Football Reference, sure. 545 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.119 Yeah, just like there's a there's a draft page. 546 00:31:58.440 --> 00:31:58.920 Yeah. 547 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.039 You know the guys Titans drafted in the fall of 548 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.880 sixty two, of which they offered none of them any money, 549 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.759 and so we When he came in in sixty three, 550 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:17.160 his shelf was bear of collegiates, had signed nobody, They 551 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.559 didn't even get free agents. He was just working with 552 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.039 Titans players and guys who had been cut, you know, 553 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.240 by NFL teams. 554 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:28.559 So you can see. 555 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.519 I mean, Aldo for his time was pretty good. In fact, 556 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.759 I think he probably played in an AFL All Star 557 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.720 Game in one of those first couple of years. 558 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.799 Yeah. Again, the numbers are just super eyebrow raising, specially today. 559 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.599 But again justin field. 560 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:47.720 You you got some of that in front of you. 561 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:49.519 What are his passing six long? 562 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.440 Oh yeah, so al duo. Also, when we're going to 563 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.279 the single season all time numbers, that's where you also 564 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.240 see Dureaux here. So here are his total numbers. I 565 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.359 have them all in fun of me. 566 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:00.640 Here. 567 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.039 His best passing season was in nineteen sixty. That was 568 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.440 the same year that he had the crazy rushing numbers. 569 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.640 He had twenty seven hundred passing yards and twenty six 570 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:14.319 passing touchdowns. Now he also had twenty six interceptions, which 571 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.400 is not great. But when you look at the Jets 572 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.000 single season all time passing touchdown leaders, we just did 573 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.559 it the other day. Rive Fitzpatrick got thirty one. There's 574 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.160 a viny Testaverdy season at twenty nine. DeRose is in 575 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.599 there in the top five. Rogers just joined that group 576 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.039 last year too. So yeah, So that's that nineteen sixty 577 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.079 season of twenty sixdowns in Russia. 578 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.480 Alway in nineteen sixty was Jameis Winston. 579 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.559 No, there you go, that's exactly it. That's a great 580 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.480 comp because that's what it appears to be, is you 581 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.400 look at the numbers, so he appeared to be pure 582 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.480 gunslinger here when you look at this. 583 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.880 Yeah, and imagine imagine them playing in the Polo grounds 584 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:56.440 right in front of fourteen thousand people. Now, yes, it 585 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.720 was a sad It was a sad time. And Harry 586 00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.599 was who was the owner, who had been a sportscaster. 587 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.839 So imagine, I don't know, I'm trying to think of 588 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:17.440 a really bombastic current day football sports broadcaster, because that's 589 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.239 what that's what Harry Wismer was. Harry Wismer came from 590 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:26.280 the school, and there were others who would miscall a 591 00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:31.599 play on the field and basically make something up to 592 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.079 make that Listen. I've done play by play, not a 593 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:39.039 football but of basketballs not uncommon when you're watching a game, 594 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.440 either from far away or a new team that you've 595 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.800 never seen, and you get the roster ten minutes before 596 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.320 the game, it's not uncommon to miscall the guy or 597 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:50.800 to sure or to just not not say that so 598 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.880 and so had the ball. And I put a lot 599 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.519 of emphasis when I was doing play by play on 600 00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.199 I came from Marty Glickman and Marv Allous, which is 601 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:03.119 to basically you mentioned you mentioned every player, and you 602 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.400 have to have an appropriate verb for every pass that 603 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:10.760 they make. I used to have a sheet of verbs 604 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.039 that would tell me here's what I can say when 605 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.679 when somebody makes a pass, a bounce pass, you know whatever. 606 00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:20.679 I love that, and it's you know, because to me, 607 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.679 I wanted to really give a picture to a listener 608 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.079 of what was going on. And you know when I 609 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.920 listened to that to the broadcasters today, I find that 610 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.679 wanting because they'll just say, oh, so and so it 611 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:33.679 goes back to throw and he throws it, and so 612 00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:35.880 and so has it at the thirty two. Well what 613 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.119 side of the field is he on? You know, what 614 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.440 kind of a pass was it? 615 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:40.199 Right now? 616 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:44.360 Uh? You know to me that that's important if I'm listening, 617 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.079 you know, to the game and trying to get a 618 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.000 picture in my mind of what's going on. 619 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.360 Well, all right, Bob, Well let's go to the fans. 620 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.239 We will open up the phone lines here in just 621 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.639 a second. But we got a comment in Bob or 622 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.159 Mount Rushmore has angered uh some fans in the comments. 623 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:03.519 Why wouldn't they? 624 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:04.079 Uh? 625 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.039 So we'll start here with Philly Noodle setting this in 626 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:13.280 remember for a year, So happy anniversary, Philly noodles. He's saying, 627 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.920 sending Bob a telegram here, no revis no mercy. He's 628 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:17.400 the goat. 629 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.840 He has to be so philly noodle. I want you 630 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.920 to write back in and tell me who does he 631 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.599 replace on the foursome that I mentioned. 632 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:26.920 That's a good question. 633 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.039 Probably he's gonna say, Web, But we brought up only 634 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.280 the only championship we ever had, and and and he 635 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.440 had won. He had won in Baltimore, the same way 636 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.800 he built the Jets team. And in fact, they asked 637 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.000 Web and this is one of the reasons I put 638 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.840 him on there as well. They asked me after he retired, 639 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.760 what was a tougher job going into Baltimore where they 640 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:53.199 had no team and Unitis wasn't there, or going to 641 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.280 the Jets with a brand new franchise, a brand new name, 642 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:01.679 no college players, you know, bunch of Titans in NFL 643 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.760 and Canadian League rejects. And he said the Jet job 644 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.800 was tougher because he started with nothing. 645 00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.199 Well, I'm gonna say this, Bob, because there's been a 646 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.960 lot of people doing these jet jet mount rushmore less 647 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.079 over the last couple of weeks. You're the only one 648 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.519 that's put in Web and I'm not saying that in 649 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.440 any other way, but to say I appreciate the creativity 650 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.760 because coaches get overlooked in these all the time, and 651 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.159 delivering a championship that seems pretty freaking. 652 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.599 Important, and defensive players get overlooked a lot of the 653 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.079 time as well as offensive linemen. 654 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.880 Right, that's one hundred percent true. Philly Noodle's just coming 655 00:37:35.880 --> 00:38:09.760 back in to repeat the same message, shoes. Welly, you 656 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.079 heard the call from Bob. You must just shake out somebody. 657 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:14.039 Are you taking out? 658 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:14.360 Philly? 659 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.719 Who do you want to kick off? 660 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:17.519 Yeah? 661 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:18.360 I want to kick off? 662 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:22.800 Yeah he picked kick off, Joe claim he did pick 663 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.559 web you bank. There it is he picked a web 664 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.000 you bank. 665 00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.320 Okay, well you spelled you bank. So you're out. 666 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.880 You're out, buddy. All right, let's do this. I love it. 667 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:38.360 Let's uh. Let's go to the phone lines, all right, 668 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.480 and let's see how people play nice plots a potential book. 669 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.440 Bet oh boy, this is gonna be interesting. The phone 670 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:46.880 lunch are open next after. 671 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:58.320 This, he can get football man. 672 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.239 Hen't just football hug. 673 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.280 Bob thirste this special Geez. 674 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:16.920 Watches foot poo with my green Jay geezyeshes chest chest. 675 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.920 Let's go, Bob. I told you on the phone that 676 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.679 when you were on last time that a lot of 677 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.079 people and we have several callers. I want to call 678 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:28.920 in and tell you this to your face that seb 679 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.679 People said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's this Bob guy? 680 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.599 You got to have him back on the show. And 681 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.119 I said, all right, I'll let's see what we can do. 682 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.920 And someone said, can you have him on regularly? I said, 683 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.800 all right, let me find him. And so we will 684 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:44.440 have some of that here in just a moment. But 685 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.039 we must start off with that book bet I told 686 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.840 you about. Here is a fan that has a bet 687 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.760 for you. Here we go, Scottie Mayhem's on the show. 688 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.480 Go ahead, Scotty Bob. 689 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.280 First of all, I am so happy you're on the show. 690 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.280 I was six years old when this super Bowl jets 691 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.880 one want to know in the super Bowl, by the way, 692 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.719 I one. By the way, I agree with Philly Noodles 693 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.119 and it's e W. Just so we're all clear, ew 694 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:15.800 emphasis on two. You Banks does not deserve to be 695 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.480 on the Mountain brushmore. 696 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.119 But we'll leave that for another day. 697 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.679 I have not read your book yet, Bob, but I 698 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.519 would like to make a bet with you. Okay, that's 699 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.440 not because I don't want to read your book. My 700 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:33.000 bet is you made two statements on the show which 701 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.880 I disagree with, but you also acknowledge you're not an 702 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:41.039 expert on the jets of today. Nobody will debate your 703 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:42.960 expertise on the jets of yesteryear. 704 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:44.920 I think I'm pretty good about the players today. I 705 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.519 just can't remember their names. 706 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.719 I don't agree. I'm going to make two bets for you. 707 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.000 The first one is I will buy ten of your books. 708 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:54.920 One of my friends. 709 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.599 Make it eleven hundred. I don't need to sell twelve 710 00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.920 hundred more to get royalty. 711 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.760 I'll get you twenty. I'll get you to twenty. I 712 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.000 will put up ten books, and another of my colleagues 713 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:11.159 on the Jet Nation BG show will do ten, so 714 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.039 he'll match my bet. I'll buy ten of your books, 715 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.159 so it's another ten. If you want to do twenty, 716 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.320 you buy ten of my books. And I don't know 717 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.199 what the other FF wants to buy, but I have 718 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.760 ten books for you to buy. Your books are about 719 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.719 twenty dollars. My books are about twenty dollars, so I'll 720 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.119 put up two hundred dollars. First bet, if the Jets 721 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.920 win more than the Vegas line, you said the Jets 722 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.679 would be lucky. I'm quoting you. You said the Jets 723 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.119 would be lucky to win six games. The Jets are 724 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:41.800 not going to win six games. They're going to win 725 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.920 ten or eleven games this year. I'll tell you why afterwards. 726 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.000 But first bet, if you're a sporting man, I'll go 727 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.800 with your Vegas line. Would you like to bet on 728 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:53.119 the Jets over under five and a half games? 729 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.519 No, honestly, I'll make a gentleman's bet with you. I 730 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.800 don't make bets bets. I'll tell you why. I learned 731 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.480 a long time ago. I'm really good at that. In 732 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.079 the opposite, so I tell you they won't. 733 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:07.679 They will. 734 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.719 I agree they're going to win, and I'm gonna tell 735 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.119 you why. 736 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.079 What if you want to I don't know how much 737 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.280 I'm willing to go, but if you're willing to bet, 738 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.280 they're gonna win ten or eleven. 739 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.320 And oh oh, I see, So we'll go beyond the 740 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.320 Vegas line. Yeah, I understand. 741 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.599 I family be if you ain't gonna win ten or 742 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:26.280 eleven games. 743 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:29.719 All right, So let's we've already we've already heard you 744 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.800 won't do the Vegas line. I got it. So the 745 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.800 lucky Jets will win more than five and a half games. 746 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.880 So we're already agreeing that the Jets are going to 747 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.079 win more because you're gonna be wrong on that. But 748 00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:41.480 this is the reason why. 749 00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.519 Why do you Let's let's stop there for a second, 750 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.039 because you have the time to do this. Why why 751 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:47.360 do you think that's gonna happen? 752 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.679 Okay, so you're a historian, Bob, and I appreciate all 753 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.599 the knowledge you're bringing from yesteryear. I love it. Actually, 754 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.440 some of the stories you've shared, I didn't know, and 755 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.199 I watched the game when I was a little kid. 756 00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.360 I you know, what did I know? 757 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.880 A six year old? Do you remember? Because I was very. 758 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.079 Very barely remember the game, but I watched it again 759 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.599 at ten and eleven and they showed the game. So yeah, 760 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:12.559 I mean, I fell in love with the Jets, and 761 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.159 unlike any other team, this is the team that I 762 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.039 would go to war for. I love this team. So 763 00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.159 it's been hard the last fifteen years. But let me 764 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.320 tell you why they're going to be a playoff team 765 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.920 this year. And it's based on everything that you've been 766 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.280 doing for Jet Nation, which is sharing knowledge. Take a 767 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.679 look at seven out of the eight teams that made 768 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.519 the playoffs last year, Bob, they all had top offensive 769 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:39.000 line off the top offensive line. The only team that 770 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:41.840 didn't make the playoffs with the top offensive line is 771 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.960 Carolina Okay, which there's many reasons why Carolina is trash, 772 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.599 but they did have a top offensive line. Only team 773 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:53.199 that didn't make the playoffs. The Jets have upgraded markedly 774 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.119 on their coaching. They had the worst coaching staff in football, 775 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.559 not even close. The same mistakes that were made the 776 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.199 past three years were made last year with the stupid 777 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:07.159 mental mistakes with the penalties and the coddling of players, 778 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.360 and then they basically got rid of their head coach 779 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.760 and everything went to hell in a handbasket. That is 780 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.400 not happening under AG's watch. The Jets coaching and the 781 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.559 Jets o line are going to be the reasons why 782 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.920 the Jets win way more than six games. A lot 783 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.639 of the people on this channel agree with you. They 784 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.159 are going to be in for a very happy awakening. 785 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:28.800 The Jets are gonna win often and ugly. So here's 786 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:29.639 bet number two. 787 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:31.880 Hold on, I gonna stop you there, what do you 788 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:32.599 mean by ugly. 789 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.800 They're gonna win games because of coaching, because of game management. 790 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.920 They have a much better game manager. Justin Fields is 791 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.599 light years better than Mark Sanchez. It's not close. They're 792 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.519 gonna win on defense, and they're gonna win on running, 793 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.519 and they're gonna win on one read offense. Justin Fields 794 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.800 is not an elite processor, but he showed what he's 795 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.559 capable of at Ohio State, and with the right coaching, 796 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.800 they're gonna win games every single week. You will see 797 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.000 it and then we can talk again. But here's my 798 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:09.480 second bet. You said my quarterback is trash. That's basically 799 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.079 what you said. So I will give you a second bet, 800 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:13.920 and you can take a look at the same line, 801 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:18.440 Vegas line twenty seven hundred yards. I'll go over, and 802 00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:24.239 I'll go over the twenty seven cumulative touchdowns. Second bet ten. 803 00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.000 Both of those real quick would be career highs. 804 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.679 But not much of a career high. He had something 805 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:33.599 like that with the Bears. 806 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.159 He didn't Justin. 807 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.880 Justin Fields is a very nice guy from everything I've read, 808 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.119 but I'm telling you he holds onto the ball too long. 809 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.559 He only looks at one receiver. He doesn't know how 810 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.280 to how to go do the reads from the first 811 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.119 a second to the third. In fact, that that was 812 00:45:56.199 --> 00:46:00.280 something I concluded watching it was a citrus ball as 813 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.320 the Orange Bowl or whatever that he played in as 814 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.880 a rook as a senior in college. Yeah, the guys. 815 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.000 The guy can run like the run like the devil. 816 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:12.920 And in fact, I think that one of the Jet 817 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.599 things they want to teach him this year, because he's 818 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.760 not good at processing, is to run more often to 819 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.599 get out of there if the first guy is completely 820 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.639 covered in his mind. Either throw a ball away, which 821 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.719 you know every quarterback can be taught to do, or 822 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.760 to run more often because he is very elusive. He's 823 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.559 very fast. But typically what I saw here in Chicago 824 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:42.639 for three years was a guy who's inaccurate with his throws. 825 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.719 He plays as a thrower like it's the like it's 826 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.000 the NC double A. He he's not going to find 827 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.079 a receiver that's as wide open ninety percent of the 828 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.320 time as he was accustomed to. And he had great 829 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:02.239 receivers as we know. You know at Ohio State too. 830 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.199 I listen, I wish, I obviously want the Jets to 831 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.400 do as well as they can. I think he's a 832 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:12.840 one year band aid. Maybe they'll keep him a second 833 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:14.840 year as a backup if he's willing to do that. 834 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.840 They got him for a two year deal. But you know, 835 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.840 my hopest of hopes is that he has a decent 836 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.320 year and they decide what the Bears decided, and that is, 837 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.159 let's go get ourselves a young quarterback. Gup. We think 838 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.639 we can we can mold into a better guy than this. 839 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.280 And by the way, I disagree with you that he's 840 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.400 better than Mark Sanchez was, Oh my god, and Sanchez 841 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.760 is first two years. All say, women, All Sanchez had 842 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.960 to do is something comparable to what they're asking fields 843 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.360 to do this year, and that is don't make mistakes. 844 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:48.920 And that's what's gonna happen, Bob. So you're going to 845 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.760 see our new franchise quarterback who is going to run. 846 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.239 It's gonna have over eight hundred yards. He's gonna have 847 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.440 way over twenty seven touchdowns. They're not going to win 848 00:47:58.840 --> 00:47:59.920 the way most teams. 849 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.400 How many how many interceptions? 850 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.039 Do you think he's gonna a lot less than you 851 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.760 were saying, Bob, Because look, I've already made the offer 852 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.159 for the second bet. You say he's trash, He's not trash. 853 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:11.119 He's going to be. 854 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.519 You know, you you said the way I described him, 855 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.920 it sounded you like he's trash. He's not trash, But 856 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:18.920 you know, like, are you a baseball fan too? 857 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.199 I am a baseball fan, Bob. 858 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:26.440 In Major League Baseball, you have Triple A and you 859 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.480 have the major leagues, but you also have some guys 860 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.400 who described as four A players. They're better than Triple A, 861 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.320 but they're not quite up to NFL, to the MLB, 862 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.239 you know, caliber to be a really good, reliable player. 863 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.119 Right, And everything you were talking about is Geno Smith 864 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.159 and Sam Darnold. Who are the four A players that 865 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.199 are now considered to be better than average quarterbacks? And 866 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.360 you had a situation with justin fields where he had 867 00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:58.679 no offensive line, he had trash coaching, and he's improved 868 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.679 every single year. Take a look at his statistics. There's 869 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:03.840 no debate about that, Bob. Just take a look at 870 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.320 what he's done each year. He's going to be better 871 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.719 this year. He's not going to throw the number of 872 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.360 interceptions you're alluding to. He's going to throw the ball away. 873 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.639 And yes, he's going to run. There's nothing wrong with that. 874 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.000 If he runs for a thousand yards and he gets 875 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.880 twelve touchdowns running. We're all great with that. What I'm 876 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.280 saying to you is they're going to win often, and 877 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.079 they're going to win ugly, and he's going to be 878 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.440 a game manager this year. That doesn't mean that doesn't 879 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.199 mean that he can't continue to grow and get better 880 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.039 next year, and he will be with the Jets for 881 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:34.639 two years. 882 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.079 Oh, it was amazing. 883 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.400 It was an amazing court. They got the best quarterback 884 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.880 that they could get in the offseason for the Jets. 885 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:44.199 There's no doubt about that. 886 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:48.599 I agree. But winning what you just described, winning often 887 00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:53.360 and winning ugly is, as you are correctly saying, what 888 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.320 teams that didn't make the playoffs by a long shot 889 00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:01.119 the year before inevitably experience when they do make the playoffs. 890 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.000 And that's when you got a four or five win 891 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.159 team that suddenly wins nine and gets into the playoffs, 892 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.840 and and they don't win convincingly week by week, but 893 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:14.280 they do just enough, you know, to to get some 894 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:15.440 ws on the board. 895 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.239 So, Bob, you know you mentioned that perhaps you know 896 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:21.840 you don't want to do the five and a half 897 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.719 on the on the Vegas line. What would be a 898 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:25.960 number that you'd be comfortable with if there's a bet 899 00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.599 to be had here between you and Scottie. 900 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.840 Well, again, I don't. I don't do bets, bets. 901 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:33.199 Gentleman's bet right if you want to listen, if. 902 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.639 You want to do a gentleman's bet, I would bet 903 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.360 you they don't win more than six games. 904 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:39.880 They're going to win more than six. 905 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.840 So I don't know what gentleman's bet. 906 00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:43.920 If you don't put if you don't put anything on, 907 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.239 it's not it's not worth it. 908 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:47.280 You want to do one? 909 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.639 Isn't that the same thing? Or is that a better word? 910 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:49.920 Like? 911 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.360 What is the gentleman's bet? You you clarify to me, Bob, 912 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:53.079 what's the different one? 913 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:01.840 It's just the one ball bet, dollars one book, and 914 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:04.039 I don't. I don't. I don't do bets. 915 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.360 Okay, great, how about for your Justin Fields take, Bob, 916 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.280 would you like to put a gentleman's bet on that 917 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:10.760 as well? 918 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:11.280 Yeah? 919 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:12.559 Great? 920 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.880 Here here are the numbers, by the way, because Bob 921 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.239 said this, so I want to clarify. So Justin Field's 922 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.159 career numbers. He said that he's seen it in Chicago, 923 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.239 the most total touchdowns Justin Fields has ever had in 924 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.400 a season was twenty twenty two. He had twenty five 925 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.320 total touchdowns. 926 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.800 I said, twenty seven was this year. 927 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.320 As far as yards go, Paul. 928 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.039 I've got that one. That was not in the same 929 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.880 years twenty twenty two. As a matter of fact, there 930 00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:35.360 was twenty twenty three at twenty five hundred yards that 931 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:36.440 was the most passing yards. 932 00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.320 So that's not that's not that's not inconceivable. And he 933 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.199 didn't have much of a wide receiver corps there. 934 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:46.599 Yes, But what I would say, I'm giving credit, yeah, 935 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.360 giving real quick giving credit to what Scotty's saying is 936 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.039 both of those happening in the same year, is what 937 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.360 Scott is saying, which that did not happen in Chicago. 938 00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.599 Both these are separate years. He's saying both of these 939 00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.199 will be eclipsed in the same season in which twenty 940 00:51:59.239 --> 00:51:59.960 twenty five hits. 941 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.039 What what would also tell you is going to hold 942 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.760 him back is and we had this argument with one 943 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.000 of the other callers last week, they don't have a 944 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.679 second world. They don't have a second wide receiver to 945 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:19.280 basically take the defense off of. You know, the Jets 946 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.760 really only good wide receiver and you can throw, you 947 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.199 can talk about throwing the tight ends and and you know, 948 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.920 unless you get the world's greatest tight end. I mean, 949 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.679 they've got a third year player from Michigan who basically 950 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.480 is you know, he's been a serviceable body, and he 951 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:40.599 had a reputation at Michigan of making and making catches. 952 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.239 And the kid they draft in the second round has. 953 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.840 Taskeled Taylor and Jeremy rutckerd are gonna have bunny balls 954 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:47.199 this year. 955 00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:48.800 Agree with you? 956 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.840 I agree with you on the wide receiver. 957 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.599 I'm hoping that you really do you really expect they're 958 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.159 going to find somebody between. 959 00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.239 Now and the I wrote to as big will can 960 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.960 allude to. I've already already written to Keenan Allen, who 961 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.599 would be the perfect fit for us as a second 962 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.639 wide receiver. I'm not on you don't like Keenan Allen. 963 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.079 Oh and he was in Chicago, so actually, real quick, 964 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:17.840 give us the Keenan Allen take. Yeah, you were in Chicago. Okay, 965 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:18.719 what did you think of him? 966 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.960 Not very much? Neither of the Bears. But good, I'm 967 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:23.559 cutting you off. 968 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.920 Good, Listen, Keenan Allen would be the listen. Garrett Wilson's 969 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.559 the number one they don't need Dj Moore, which a 970 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.360 lot of people want us to trade for. We don't 971 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.239 need to number one. 972 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.280 You won't get DJ Moore. 973 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.760 And we don't. We don't want him because he's making 974 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.920 twenty seven million dollars and Garrett Wilson's about to get paid. 975 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.039 So we don't need DJ Moore. We need a Keenan Allen, 976 00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.559 you know, gray Beard, seven hundred to eight hundred yards. 977 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.280 He's the perfect guy for us. I believe he's going 978 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.880 to come to the Jets. I'm crossing my fingers that 979 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:58.239 it's not Amari Cooper because Amari Cooper is shot. But look, 980 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.480 even if they don't, they have a committee. They have 981 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.800 Josh Reynolds, who's going to get thirty to forty you 982 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:09.480 know receptions. They've got the guy from Green Bay who 983 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.920 I hope they trade. They have a committee of wide 984 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.679 receivers Tyler Johnson. Some are saying is going to do well. 985 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:16.800 Their tight ends are going to be the number two 986 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.760 wide receivers on this team. But Bob, look, I would 987 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.679 do one book with you. That's twenty dollars. I'll buy 988 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:23.239 your buck. 989 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:26.920 I'll read your book again. That is very kind of you, 990 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.440 and it's very It sounds like a very lucrative. 991 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:32.920 Yeah, could you get twenty the way? 992 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.480 By the way, I think I disagree with you. I 993 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:37.480 think their running backs are going to be their second 994 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.079 wide receiver. 995 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:40.079 Prieste Hall is going to catch a lot of balls. 996 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.599 I think to Allen has that talent as well. 997 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.960 Yes, I think Brice. I know they're talking about a 998 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:51.519 committee of running backs, but Breese was hurt last year. 999 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.679 Nobody talked about it. He had a knee injury. Breese 1000 00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.280 is a beast. He's going to show out. He's going 1001 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.360 to have well over fifteen hundred yards. You want to 1002 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.840 bet on that. No, I know you're not making any bets, 1003 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.320 but Breeze is going to have a monster year. Take 1004 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:09.239 them in the fantasy football early and Bob, I still 1005 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.360 love your content. You're amazing with your history. You're not 1006 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.440 very good with the current chats. I'm sorry sorry for 1007 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.960 that take, but you will learn this year that the 1008 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:19.599 coaching is the most important thing. 1009 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.840 Listen, Well, I agree with you totally because one of 1010 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.199 the keys to the Super Bowl Jets team was how 1011 00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.639 much they coached up guys who were very good in college. 1012 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:34.800 But as you know, in college, you're playing against kids 1013 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.760 other guys. You go to the pros and you're suddenly 1014 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:42.000 playing against men with a lot of experience, and it 1015 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:46.000 doesn't come all that easily to ninety nine point nine 1016 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:49.400 percent of rookies who come into the league unless you're 1017 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.199 super duper talented, and that's a hard thing to find 1018 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.360 so or if you. 1019 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.840 Have super duper coaching, and the difference between what we 1020 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.320 had last year and what we have this If you 1021 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.760 just go over every single person that we have on 1022 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.199 our coaching staff, it's going to be a revelation. People 1023 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.960 don't realize how important coaching is. It's more so in 1024 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:15.960 football than in any sport throw out baseball, throw out basketball. 1025 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.039 Football is by far and away, the coaching staff makes 1026 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:20.000 the most impact of it. 1027 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.159 Well, I'll tell you the other thing that's very unique 1028 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.880 about football, and that is the dynamics of the guy 1029 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.880 that you play again, play a play with on your 1030 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.159 left and on your right if you're on the defensive 1031 00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:34.840 line or offensive line. Because one of the things that 1032 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.960 Grantham taught me is that you have to know what 1033 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.599 everybody that you're playing with on the team is capable 1034 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.440 of doing and where their shortcomings are so that you 1035 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.760 can help to overcome those shortcomings. If you know the 1036 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.800 guy doesn't have good enough speed against somebody coming out 1037 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.519 of the backfield, that there are things you can do 1038 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.880 to slow them down, or to provide some additional coverage 1039 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.199 that sort of thing. Or you know, you're more susceptible 1040 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:07.480 against the run because you're trying to, you know, brush 1041 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.599 the passer on every play, So you have to make 1042 00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.880 adjustments to that. And football week is unique like that. 1043 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.159 Thank you, Scotty. We have a lot of cars to 1044 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:16.960 get to, so you're going to keep moving along here. 1045 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.880 Up next is Bubbah blub Blah Badshaw here on the show. 1046 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.199 Oh he might be in a tunnel batchaw wait do 1047 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:23.639 we got you? 1048 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:24.880 No? 1049 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:27.119 You got me? 1050 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:27.679 You got me? 1051 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:28.719 I'm actually okay. 1052 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:29.599 How are you, Bob? 1053 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:30.760 I'm good, Good morning. 1054 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:31.760 How are you? Where are you? 1055 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:33.239 Where are you driving to and from? 1056 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.639 Well it's gonna sound a little weird, but I'm headed 1057 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:38.519 to Coopertown. 1058 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:44.280 Oh really, do you you work? You don't work at 1059 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:44.960 the Hall of Fame. 1060 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:51.199 No, no, I I work in Goobertown, Arkansas. 1061 00:57:52.119 --> 00:58:01.519 Oh okay, then I don't know when Cooper's town. You 1062 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:07.440 are a die hard in Arkansas. I want to hear 1063 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:08.320 what you got to say. 1064 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.559 Well, I was actually one of the people. 1065 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:20.800 Get you know. 1066 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.360 About Me and Paul are about the same age, So 1067 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.480 obviously I never got to see any Super Bowl. 1068 00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.599 Yeah, Brenan Brennan, one second you your call broke up there, 1069 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:33.320 so Bob didn't hear you. You said you were one 1070 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.159 of the ones, and then he cut out to just 1071 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:36.519 repeat yourself, go ahead, please. 1072 00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.000 I was one of the one of the guys that 1073 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.159 reached out to Paul as soon as I watched the 1074 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:48.000 last video you were on, and I said, hey, we've 1075 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.239 got to get Bob. We got to get him back on. 1076 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:54.400 We've got to get him on more often. Me and 1077 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:58.800 Paul are about the same age. So I obviously never 1078 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:00.960 got to see anything of Super Bowl three. 1079 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.199 You know, you can go on YouTube and watch the 1080 00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:04.719 whole game. 1081 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.119 Yeah, and I mean I've seen it. But I mean 1082 00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.639 as for really getting to know the players and whatnot. 1083 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:18.000 And you know, nowadays I can get on Twitter, Facebook 1084 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.800 and I can I can find out, you know, what 1085 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.880 songs these players are listening to while they're walking up 1086 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:26.880 to training camp. 1087 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:28.239 I don't. 1088 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.000 I don't know that stuff about Don Maynard. I don't 1089 00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:35.519 know that stuff you know about Winston Hill or Curly 1090 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:40.800 Johnson the kicker. I don't the punter, the kicker, the 1091 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.760 old line. So I really enjoyed because I was hoping 1092 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.719 you were gonna ask me, Brandon, did you buy my book? 1093 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:50.880 Because I've got your audio book and I've been listening 1094 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:51.079 to it. 1095 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.000 Oh what do you know what? 1096 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.599 He mispronounces only a couple of players' names. But what 1097 00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:56.880 do you think of the audiobook? 1098 00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:01.199 I thought it was really good. It was kind of 1099 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.000 interesting because when it came to the page, I guess 1100 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:09.639 there's a page where it's just the roster and. 1101 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:13.320 That he read that. Oh my god. 1102 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.760 So I sat there for like ten minutes and it's 1103 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.880 like alphabetical order. 1104 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:20.280 You know. 1105 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:27.119 It's like bye by the self cover copy. It's very 1106 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.639 cheap and you'll have a keepsake. 1107 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.840 Yes, I'll definitely do that. The reason the reason I 1108 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.360 went with the audio book is I listened a lot 1109 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:42.480 while I'm at work, so but you know, uh, there 1110 01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.000 was a lot of interesting things, you know, that I've 1111 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.000 learned and I kind of forget about. I think you 1112 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:54.800 were talking about Curly Johnson being under a semi ball 1113 01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.920 at one point when he was the Titans coach, and 1114 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.760 I thought that was kind of interesting, just in the 1115 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:05.679 fact that, you know, we all talk about semi ball being, 1116 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.159 you know, kind of the guy who I can't think 1117 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:11.880 of the word, but he just kind of like brought 1118 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.000 in the forward pass. 1119 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:13.480 He made it. 1120 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.079 He made it sexy. 1121 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.800 Yep, yep. But he was a great but he was 1122 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:20.760 a great punter. 1123 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.679 Exactly, and he was also a great defensive back. But 1124 01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.880 that being said, I thought that was kind of interesting. 1125 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.639 He probably learned he probably learned some stuff from Sammy 1126 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:36.039 and whatnot. But I was gonna ask you, I miss 1127 01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.760 the very beginning of this show when you were saying, 1128 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.039 who was on your mount rushmore. 1129 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.840 Oh okay, well, we're getting a lot of pushback. But 1130 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:48.800 I have name of I have Joe Cleco, I have 1131 01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:51.960 Curtis Martin, and I put Weed Bond there because they 1132 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:55.920 the only Super Bowl champion winner. And he literally he 1133 01:01:56.559 --> 01:02:00.719 had the parcels attitude, let me do the boy of 1134 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.119 the let me let me do the bull in the kitchen. 1135 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.480 So you're not only drafted the guys made those decisions, 1136 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:10.840 but then he had a staff and with himself he 1137 01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:13.719 coached them up. And what you'll hear or what see 1138 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:19.159 in the book is how pervasive his coaching was because 1139 01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.239 he coached the kickers, he coached Joe, he coached the 1140 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:26.840 offensive lineman. I mean, he turned Winston Hill into what 1141 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.239 Winston Hill became, which which was a Hall of fame 1142 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:33.360 offensive lineman. So for that reason, I have him up there, 1143 01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.000 and I understand Reeves and I could, you know, if 1144 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.960 I could remember all the names. I mean, I thought 1145 01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:40.280 I was a big Freeman McNeil fan when I was 1146 01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:43.960 when I first came here. And he and he was 1147 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:48.519 a great running back too, and and there were other guys. 1148 01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.039 I mean, they had they had some really terrific offensive 1149 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.079 lineman who I really respected for their quality and for 1150 01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:59.239 how long they lasted so and you know, hey, the 1151 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:03.239 whole the whole line you know, uh that they had 1152 01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:07.760 with with with coleco and and everybody else was was 1153 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.880 awesome for two or three years. Actually, it's a fascinating 1154 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.079 ESPN documentary that I was just watching a couple of 1155 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.880 weeks ago about that offense, about that defensive line. 1156 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:21.079 Oh I saw that. Yeah, we had the director Ken Rogers, 1157 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:22.440 he joined us on the show. 1158 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:24.320 He was at a lot of. 1159 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.320 Things, a lot of things I had forgotten, including how 1160 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:31.159 short their tenure really was uh, you know, as a 1161 01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:32.719 forceome but but they were great. 1162 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.320 Well, I thought that was interesting in your book with 1163 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:42.960 Winston Hell about how his dad called him and you know, 1164 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:44.880 he's like, yeah, you need to stay, you just you 1165 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.480 just say you just you just stay there. And then 1166 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:50.159 you know what he ended up becoming because of his 1167 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:52.559 you know, his dad told him to stay, you know, 1168 01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:55.199 don't go home. You know, we'll get this figured out. 1169 01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:58.519 And uh, you know that that's pretty insane as well. 1170 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:04.800 But anyway, so I've got to ask, because it's obviously 1171 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.360 the books Beyond Broadway, Joe, and you may have said 1172 01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.159 this in the past, and I may have just missed it. 1173 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.159 I guess, do you believe Matt Snell should have gotten 1174 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.199 the MVP of that game? Or do you believe Joe 1175 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:17.840 did it enough? 1176 01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:22.599 Or look, in those days, it was the quarterback who 1177 01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:27.159 got all the glory. And so I wasn't shocked. But 1178 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.719 in retrospect, even the next day, the owner of Sonny Werblin, 1179 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.400 or the ex owner of Sonny Werblin, said it should 1180 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.840 have been co you know, co MVP with Joe and 1181 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:41.480 in fact, as a result, Sonny who had a promise, 1182 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.920 uh to to Matt not only about a lifetime job, 1183 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.639 but about you know, if he if they won a 1184 01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.199 Super Bowl, that he'd get a car or whatever. He 1185 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.880 went out and bought him a really fancy sports car. 1186 01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.440 So yeah, I mean, and and boy, you know when 1187 01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:59.719 you watch that Super Bowl game, which again I want 1188 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:02.519 to tell everybody is on YouTube, including the commercials. 1189 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.400 Yes, yeah, I love seeing those old commercials there. 1190 01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:10.280 It's interesting when when Matt Snell got the ball, Baltimore 1191 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.719 could not take him down. He really was like a 1192 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.199 wild bull. I mean, he took two or three guys 1193 01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:19.559 and he kept going and going and go and not 1194 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.159 just being stopped and churning, but he was breaking tackles 1195 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.760 and going downfield and getting you know, twelve yards when 1196 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.400 he could have held him to six. I mean, just 1197 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:34.599 just an unbelievable job, you know that he did that day. 1198 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.360 And and you never heard anything from Matt about, well, hey, 1199 01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:40.880 you know what about me? Why didn't I get the 1200 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.239 accolades and that sort of thing. It was all Joe 1201 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.159 and hey, I was sixteen years old that day, and 1202 01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.480 Joe was the stir. That's that was the strawest stir 1203 01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.719 to drink, and he was he was the guy He 1204 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:57.239 was the difference maker, There's no doubt about it. And 1205 01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.440 he put the bull's eye on his back with his 1206 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.239 that the Jets were going to win the game, and 1207 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.760 Baltimore responded and tried to kill him. I couldn't get 1208 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:09.159 to him more than once in the game. So yeah, 1209 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:11.920 but Matt Snell, he was outstanding. And I told you 1210 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:15.599 guys last week, I spent fifteen hours talking to Matt 1211 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:20.320 and it was a revelation. He's a terrific guy, and 1212 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.079 I wish that there wasn't such animosity on his part 1213 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.719 and so much ignorance on the Jets part to make 1214 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.679 this go the way as I mentioned last week George 1215 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:34.639 Steinberner did with Yogi Barrow when Yogi basically said I'm 1216 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:36.000 done with the Yankees. 1217 01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:38.760 Well, I just have to jump in here bad seean 1218 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.920 just say this that, Bob, now that you've agreed, you 1219 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.920 may want to go back on that after all the 1220 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.960 angry phone calls and things that may still be coming here, 1221 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:48.360 that you may want to go back on that word, 1222 01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:51.679 But your agreement to join us weekly moving forward. I 1223 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.840 know me and batchall were talking about it off air, 1224 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.800 about the Matt Snell tapes and everything else. That you 1225 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:58.840 collected with the book. I think a lot of people 1226 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:02.480 would be fascinated to hear some of those conversations, perhaps 1227 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:03.199 for the first time. 1228 01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:06.480 Yeah, I you know, as I said I have, I'm 1229 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:10.559 a little bit like Bob Woodward in that I taped 1230 01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.719 every conversation so that I could because I had someone 1231 01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:17.239 transcribe it for me. I wanted to make sure that 1232 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:21.119 I got it all right. The only problem, the only 1233 01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:23.360 problem with some of the audio is I'm so busy 1234 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:25.519 laughing at some of the stories that they're telling me 1235 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.599 that it may be it may ruin a little bit 1236 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.840 of of the sound quality. But I even got written 1237 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.599 approval from each of the players except one, to use 1238 01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:40.480 those audio as I see fit. So I may. My 1239 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:44.000 wife keeps telling me you should put out an audio file. 1240 01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:45.760 And so, oh my goodness. Yes. 1241 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:46.880 Hey. 1242 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:48.800 By the way, Bob, we have to know the follow 1243 01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:52.280 up when you ask a journalist something like that, Hey, 1244 01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:56.159 I got approval from every player but one. I am 1245 01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:58.559 forced to ask, by the gods who the player was 1246 01:07:58.679 --> 01:07:59.800 that didn't give you approval? 1247 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.639 Randy Rasmussem because his best friend was a lawyer. Ah, 1248 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.280 I don't know, I don't know what that meant because 1249 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:10.880 I said, Randy, I'm not going to do something the 1250 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.639 faiious with this, of course, and he said, well, but 1251 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.639 I just I would want to know and want to 1252 01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:19.039 give you approval as to, you know, what you were 1253 01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:21.479 going to do with it. So you know, if I 1254 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.239 do what's been suggested, you think that's a great idea. 1255 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.159 So maybe I should should really take a serious look 1256 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.239 at it. But what am I going to do it 1257 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:32.279 for the sixtieth anniversary? When do I wait until the 1258 01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:36.760 last one passes away then say and then say, Okay, 1259 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:39.159 I've got all this great material that that went into 1260 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:45.960 the book, and you know it's to me, it's a treasure. 1261 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.720 And I'll and I'll say this, it's hard for it 1262 01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:53.119 not to come across as taking a slap at Joe. 1263 01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:59.119 But Joe's last book was really, in my mind, so 1264 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:00.880 questionable because. 1265 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:04.000 It's four quarters book. 1266 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:06.640 Yeah, I got some one of my friends, the guy 1267 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:10.439 who provided me with all the gent memorabilion and review 1268 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:14.640 bank stuff and such. He went to Joe's press public 1269 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.720 session when he introduced the book, and he got me 1270 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.880 a copy and it's signed by Joe. It's the only 1271 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:24.600 signed copy from Joe of anything but yeah, but Joe 1272 01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:27.720 just seems to have forgotten what happened in some of 1273 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:31.880 the things in that book. And I was amazed at that. 1274 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:34.720 I mean I have like, for instance, he tells the 1275 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:38.680 story about the night the morning after he predicted they 1276 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.920 were going to win the Super Bowl. Yes, everybody I 1277 01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:48.359 talked to said that Joe came into the breakfast area 1278 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.039 and immediately got hounded by some of the players, some 1279 01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.399 jokingly and some seriously. One of the guys said to him, 1280 01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.359 what are you trying to do. We're trying to we're 1281 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:00.800 trying to lull these guys to slip, and you're waking 1282 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:06.119 them up headlines right, and we've came in He called them, Joseph, Joseph, 1283 01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:08.399 what did you do last night? Because they all were 1284 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:13.840 reading the Miami Miamiyah. And in Joe's new book, he says, oh, 1285 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.640 that all happened on the playing field the next day, 1286 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:20.399 and he tells it quite differently. And I just looked 1287 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:21.960 and I said, what is this? 1288 01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:23.560 What's going on? What? 1289 01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:26.720 Why is he changing the story? And there were several 1290 01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:29.960 other instances in his book. So I I really lost, 1291 01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.279 you know, respect for Joe. But he doesn't he doesn't 1292 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.760 care about me and couldn't care less so anyway. 1293 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.760 But yes, for your audio. You know, I'll help you 1294 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:41.840 in any way that I can, because I think getting 1295 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:44.760 that out will give a boost to the book to 1296 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:46.760 make it, you know, reallive again. 1297 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:50.600 What do you what do you think of that idea? Bado? 1298 01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.920 Yeah, oh I love that idea. Yeah, well we may 1299 01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:55.960 and h have't been talking. We've been talking about it 1300 01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:59.439 off air, So I would I would love. I would 1301 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.079 love for you'll get that together. Definitely be looking forward 1302 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.159 to that. And I think and I'm not and you know, 1303 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:07.239 it's not just me. I'm not the only one. There's 1304 01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:10.359 plenty of other people in the group that want to 1305 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:10.880 hear all that. 1306 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:11.600 See. 1307 01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:15.159 What makes me feel good is that because you are 1308 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:20.119 of that certain age that seems to have lost any 1309 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.399 real interest in that game because or in that team, 1310 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:27.600 because it was almost sixty years ago. And I think 1311 01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:31.159 that's unfortunate because that's the legacy of the franchise. Of course, 1312 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:36.159 you know, whether the current ownership wants to accept that 1313 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:37.960 or buy it or not, and they seem not to. 1314 01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.880 That's that's really what this what this history of this 1315 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.279 franchise is and they should be doing everything they can 1316 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:50.359 to basically clean up the mess because, as I said 1317 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:52.720 one of the last pages of the book, they have 1318 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:56.600 the worst record of any of the AFL teams that 1319 01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:00.479 went into the NFL that year. I mean since the 1320 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.920 Merchant and that correct. That's that's horrible. 1321 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.520 So anyway, good. Yeah, but yes, we'll try to see 1322 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:10.119 if we can make that happen by because so many 1323 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:11.760 fans should be open to it. We could try to 1324 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:13.800 find a way to play some of that on the show. 1325 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.479 It would be great for all the fans to get 1326 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:18.760 a listen to it. Yes, so we'll work behind the scenes, Bob, 1327 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:20.680 and we'll help in any way that we can to 1328 01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:22.439 make that a reality. 1329 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.560 Yeah, I've got to I'll get off here. I know 1330 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.000 there's other people, but I do. I had two little, 1331 01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:32.159 two little questions I wanted to ask, and I'll get 1332 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:33.920 off your answer them after I get off. 1333 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:33.920 But. 1334 01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:38.079 One being I want to hear what y'all are doing 1335 01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:41.399 for the Force to celebrate the Force tomorrow. And the 1336 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:46.399 second question, Bob, as for me and Paul, we've never 1337 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:52.199 experienced a Super Bowl win. Can you explain what you 1338 01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:55.880 felt that day? You know, when you when when they 1339 01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:58.960 wanted all you said you were sixteen years old. The 1340 01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:03.159 closest thing, and Paul after that as probably New York 1341 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:07.640 beating New England and twenty eleven, that's the closest way up. 1342 01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:11.079 So can you can you walk us through that amazing day? 1343 01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:14.439 Well? Thank you? 1344 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:17.760 Wow. 1345 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:22.359 I remember tingling as I was watching the game that 1346 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:26.640 day as they as they were winning. They were winning 1347 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:28.960 in the first quarter, they were winning in the second quarter, 1348 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:33.560 they extended their lead in the third quarter, they extended 1349 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:36.840 it again in the fourth quarter, and I just saying, Holy, 1350 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.720 you know what, They're going to win this game. This 1351 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.239 is unbelievable. Because as big a Jet fan as I was, 1352 01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.680 I had my doubts about some of the players. And 1353 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.880 I thought I thought that Randy Beverly was was easy 1354 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.760 for the pickings. You know, he was the right cornerback 1355 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:59.239 and he had two interceptions that day, and Baltimore had 1356 01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:04.159 been so impressive defensively that I just I had doubt 1357 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:07.000 that the offensive line could hold them off as often 1358 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.880 as they did. But as I said last week, we 1359 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:15.800 was praying for blitz's against names because name hath picked 1360 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.880 teams apart that blitzed him. And they had two weeks 1361 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:24.199 to watch film and The famous story is that Pete Lamon's, 1362 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.800 but there were others ms and Boozer was another one 1363 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.199 who said, turn off the film. You're making this over 1364 01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:32.479 confident because we know we can score against this team, 1365 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:37.920 and in fact, we've came in the first time that 1366 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.880 he sat down, you know, with the film to go 1367 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.359 over it with the guys and said, hey, listen, Cleave 1368 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.840 and the rest of the coach have been watching this 1369 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.880 and if we can't throw against these guys, we should 1370 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:54.760 just hang it up. Yah. Lance Allworth, while I interviewed 1371 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.720 for the book, said to me, I think I think 1372 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.479 the Jets went into a shell. They I'm so busy 1373 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:02.439 trying to protect the lead and make sure they didn't 1374 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:05.079 make a mistake. He said. If it had been me, 1375 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:06.600 I would have gone to Joe if he was on 1376 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:10.000 my team. Owner said, Joe, let's bust this thing open. Yeah, 1377 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:15.079 let's give it to him. So you know. The other 1378 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.920 famous story, Lenny Dawson was sitting in the stands and 1379 01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:21.640 he was surrounded by NFL guys and as the game 1380 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.560 was going on, he kept looking at him and saying, 1381 01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.000 so what do you think of the AFL now? And 1382 01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.800 next year, of course he had his chance, and he 1383 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.720 did a great job. But as I was watching a 1384 01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:35.399 game and becoming so and so more and more aware 1385 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:37.720 they were going to win. Yes, But it was the 1386 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:41.720 euphoria for the next week because, as I mentioned, I 1387 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:44.000 went back to school. I went to syvest In High 1388 01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:47.600 School in Manhattan, and I had to travel in from 1389 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.840 Queens every day. It's not an hour and twenty five 1390 01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:53.920 minute commute or whatever. And all my friends who I 1391 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.159 hung at with and we talked football all the time, 1392 01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.000 they came up to me. They were all giant fans 1393 01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:04.000 and hey, congratulations, your guys won and they deserve to win. 1394 01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:07.760 Last yesterday they just outplayed the Colts. And you can 1395 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:12.960 imagine as a kid how great that feels, because today, 1396 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:15.319 if that happened, they would say, you just got You 1397 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.239 were lucky. I mean that's what the NFL owners said, 1398 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.239 you were lucky. If you paid ninety nine more times, 1399 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:20.640 you wouldn't win one of those games. 1400 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:23.600 Well, I just know what's going to happen before I 1401 01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.000 kick the bucket. The Jets are going to win the 1402 01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:28.359 Super Bowl, and that feeling is going to be insane. 1403 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.640 We have a ton of more callers, plenty more callers, 1404 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:34.720 so we'll continue the train to year up next, Johnny boy, 1405 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.439 who's been waiting patiently. Johnny, good morning, sir, and you're 1406 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:39.239 on mute just before you start. 1407 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:42.399 Mary, Mary, Johnny, good morning. 1408 01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:43.520 How are you guys? 1409 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:45.439 We're good. I hope you are too. 1410 01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:47.039 I'll doing really well. 1411 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:50.279 It's my Dogter's birthday today, her first birthday, birthday. 1412 01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:53.359 What's your name of Addison? Addison? 1413 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:53.720 Great? 1414 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:54.840 Yes, happy birthday. 1415 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.560 Happy, So Bob's I had a. 1416 01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:59.800 Few questions and I kind of wanted to touch base 1417 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:02.000 on a little bit with Scotty, said, I love, I 1418 01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:03.479 love a lot of a lot of the things that 1419 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:09.359 Scotty does say. But DJ Moore or Keenan Allen, I'm 1420 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:10.600 taking DJ Moore. 1421 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.800 Oh every day. They would never they'll never get DJ 1422 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.640 Moore from the Bears. You know, he's integral to their 1423 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:19.119 offense here, and they. 1424 01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:21.760 Got a couple of receivers. Right Luther Burden Realma Dune said, 1425 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:23.600 they can afford to give up Dj Moore, Right, Bob. 1426 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:28.960 Luther Burden, from everything I read pre draft was so 1427 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.840 overrated that I was really surprised. I was wondering who 1428 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:35.159 was gonna draft him, and he just he just didn't 1429 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:39.319 do anything. His last year in college, so you know, 1430 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:41.800 maybe he's gonna turn out and maybe he'll be like 1431 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:46.079 Dan Marino and had a very very uh unexcited draft night. 1432 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.680 That's true. Yeah, never know, But I love when you 1433 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:52.640 say that who is going to draft him? Bears? Apparently 1434 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.880 they're the ones that are gonna draft him. But go ahead, Johnny. 1435 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.479 Sobo So I had a question right in regards to 1436 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.600 Joe Namath and Dom Maynard, right because you've watched both 1437 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:05.000 of them play. Yeah, so I wanted to ask because 1438 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:08.600 I mean, I think what that offense was pretty high 1439 01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:13.520 flying back back in those days. Put them in this era. 1440 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:17.600 Do you believe that Joe Namath would be successful in 1441 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:20.920 the sense in an offense or in the NFL that 1442 01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:25.079 kind of protects now more of a quarterback and Don 1443 01:18:25.159 --> 01:18:28.880 Maynard as well for wide receivers, do you think that 1444 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.359 they would be a lot better or worse? Because I 1445 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:37.800 know you did state Joe names issue was he wasn't 1446 01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:40.399 really good being on target his target. 1447 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:45.000 No, that wasn't you know. It's a very complex answer, 1448 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.079 but it's an interesting answer I can give you. He 1449 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:52.880 had two bad knees, he couldn't move. I don't know 1450 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:56.760 how well, he would survive in the NFL today because 1451 01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:00.079 I think the pass rush is stronger and faster. 1452 01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:02.319 There. 1453 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.399 They don't. In those days. The Jets kept both of 1454 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:08.239 their running backs, Snell and Boozer and Bill Mathis. All 1455 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:11.840 three of them were really good blockers. And watch and 1456 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.399 watch just clips of the Super Bowl game or anything 1457 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:17.560 else you can see and look at all the running 1458 01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:20.760 back blocking that Namath had every time he went back 1459 01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:24.880 to throw anything more than a quick hitter. They don't 1460 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:28.720 do that anymore. They don't even have two running backs anymore, 1461 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:31.079 which I think is a big mistake, and they do 1462 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:33.159 it because they want to have a more wide open offense. 1463 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.960 But I think you can get running backs who are 1464 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.760 both effective, and I like what the Jets are trying 1465 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.399 to do now with speed and quickness in one back 1466 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.920 and power in Allen in another back. That to me, 1467 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:48.840 you know, is a kin It's not the same as 1468 01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:51.640 Boozer and Snell, but but it's close. But even then, 1469 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:53.159 they're not going to use him at the same time 1470 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:56.119 most of the time, and I think I think they should. 1471 01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.319 But Namath would be much more of a target now 1472 01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.520 and he was a target then. But here's the big difference. 1473 01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:06.840 Back then, there was an unwritten rule. You don't hit 1474 01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:12.079 Joe below the waist because the league, the AFL, knew 1475 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:17.319 he was He was their their limitless credit card. He 1476 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.279 was the guy that was getting all the headlines and 1477 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:24.960 lifting the league publicity wise, and was a great player. 1478 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.000 And today, how many great players are there. It's not 1479 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:31.239 the same thing. There were no other great young quarterbacks 1480 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.920 in the American Football League and certainly nothing like Nameth 1481 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:38.800 even in the NFL back then. So it was a 1482 01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:42.479 different time. And I'm not saying that Joe didn't get hurt. 1483 01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:44.640 He did. He had busted ribs when he played Denver 1484 01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:50.640 and Oakland famously, like Lasseter hit him and broke his jaw, 1485 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.680 but again above the waist, because they knew if they 1486 01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:56.720 if they nailed him on either of his legs, that 1487 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.760 might be the end of his career. Yet when the 1488 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:01.920 that's it, like all this stuff is in the book. 1489 01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:05.000 But when the Jets brought name It in for his 1490 01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.800 first press conference, uh, the doctor for the team, the 1491 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:13.560 team physician, the Jets hadn't even looked at his knees yet, 1492 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:18.199 and they took the team physician took him into the 1493 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:21.000 men's room and sat him down and looked at his 1494 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:23.880 two knees, and he went back to web and Sonny 1495 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:26.680 Werblin said, you might want to get yourself a second 1496 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:29.760 quarterback because I don't know how long he's going to last. 1497 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.920 And name had name one more thing. Name it had 1498 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:38.279 had a number of operations as a jet quarterback, and 1499 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.319 he always bounced back. But you know, he just was 1500 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.119 a question mark every year because of the condition of 1501 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:45.600 his knees. 1502 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:48.079 So that's what I was going to ask. 1503 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.239 So with modern medicine and the way it is now 1504 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:53.159 and technology on how advanced it it is compared to 1505 01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:55.720 what it was back then, you think that. 1506 01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.800 Would have you know, that's a great you know what, Johnny, 1507 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:00.880 I give you a lot of credit. That's a great point. 1508 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:01.840 I don't know. 1509 01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:07.079 I mean Boozer had experimental surgery on his knee and 1510 01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:12.439 it was the first of many, uh you know, well 1511 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:16.920 executed operations for knee injuries like he had until that point. 1512 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:18.840 When you had a knee injury like that, you were done. 1513 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:21.279 In fact, Boozer was told get ready to go back 1514 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:23.840 and become a teacher Jesus. 1515 01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:26.960 And what do you think about don You think don 1516 01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:28.119 would have been able to talk. 1517 01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:32.319 Mayd Maynard would thrive in any era, and now, especially 1518 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.720 because the rules are so much in favor of the 1519 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:39.680 wide receiver. You can hit him beyond five yards. Maynard 1520 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:43.800 had had sprinter speed back then, not not akin to 1521 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.000 what they do now. But he was a track and 1522 01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:50.359 field guy, and he was fast, and he was elusive, 1523 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.560 and he was very thin, but he was tough as nails. 1524 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:56.520 He took a lot of hits and just came back, 1525 01:22:56.760 --> 01:22:58.800 you know, ready, ready for the next pass. 1526 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:02.880 Pops always said that he looked like he was just 1527 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.880 gliding on air on how fast he was in his stripe. 1528 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:09.239 I'll tell you what Baltimore had, not not one guy 1529 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:13.359 the whole season against the Colts had gotten beyond their 1530 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:18.159 defensive backs, you know, on on a fly pattern because 1531 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:22.439 they had this so called impregnable you know, deep deep defense. 1532 01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:27.239 And in the first quarter Namath Maynard had a bit 1533 01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:30.279 of of a problem, you know, with his knee, and 1534 01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:35.239 they kept it quiet, but but everybody knew that he 1535 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:39.039 wasn't one hundred percent, and he beat their defensive backs 1536 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:41.960 the first time he went deep. And that's why all 1537 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.359 the attention and all the defensive rotation went to him 1538 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.800 and that made George Sour wide open because he was 1539 01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:51.880 going one on one against Lenny Lyles, and Lenny Lyles was, 1540 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:57.439 you know, the the Achilles heel in Baltimore's defensive backfield. 1541 01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:03.039 Well, Bob, I appreciate that. Beg appreciate you guys on 1542 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:05.000 that wanted to come up here and ask that. I 1543 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:06.800 really do like that you do come on the show. 1544 01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:10.359 I'm one of the guys on air that I love 1545 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:11.239 hearing the stories. 1546 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:15.840 Man By the book. It's you know, it's not expensive 1547 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.720 anymore because it's been out for five years, and you 1548 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:23.600 can buy the softcover edition, which I'd recommend that that's 1549 01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:27.039 an easy and easy acquisition. And I know as a 1550 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.640 Jet fan, since you're interested, you will enjoy it, I 1551 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.039 said last week, and I think it's the case. Is 1552 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:34.960 one guy that bought the book that told me he 1553 01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:37.159 had read every book that there was about that team, 1554 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:39.439 and every second or third page of the book he 1555 01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:43.399 learned something new that he didn't know. Get to know 1556 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.399 these guys, because, as one other guy said to me, 1557 01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:49.000 this is something that people are going to look back 1558 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:52.319 at fifteen one hundred years from now, and that's what 1559 01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:54.920 he thought. This book's value is going to be. It 1560 01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:58.560 is really the only look at everybody else on that team, 1561 01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.640 although Namath has the second longest chapter in the book. 1562 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:08.880 Most definitely man Well, last thing, real quick. I wanted 1563 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:10.439 to say this because I know it's been going in 1564 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:13.279 the in the chat. The biggest thing for me with 1565 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:17.880 this upcoming season is it's just such an unknown. We 1566 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:20.920 don't know what Glenn is as a head coach. We 1567 01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:25.159 don't know what Justin feels could potentially be. With Tanner 1568 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:29.239 Angstrang potentially being in a really good OC, we don't 1569 01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:30.159 know what Tanner is. 1570 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:32.920 Breis Hall has a lot of stuff to prove. 1571 01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.119 The defense has a lot to prove as well. They're 1572 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:40.119 hearing people saying that all it's the Jets again, you 1573 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:42.479 know the You're gonna see them more paper, It's another 1574 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:43.199 check mark. 1575 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.159 There's a lot of things they have to prove. 1576 01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:47.920 It's the only reason why I feel like I can 1577 01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:51.720 be a little bit optimistic in regards of the season itself, 1578 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:55.439 because it's unknown, and I think they probably have to. 1579 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:57.439 We have to be patient because there's gonna be some 1580 01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:58.119 growing pains. 1581 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:01.439 Well. And I read, yes, the second youngest team in 1582 01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:01.880 the league. 1583 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:02.359 YEP. 1584 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:05.960 Just about every acquisition they've made and they've been all 1585 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.680 free agents are young guys, some of them they're all 1586 01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:12.399 going to be coached and coached up. Some of them 1587 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:17.159 will blossom. But you know, I'll been, out of every ten, 1588 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:19.960 you'll have two that are really going to become players, 1589 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.960 and everybody else will fall to the side and be 1590 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:23.279 replaced by somebody else. 1591 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:26.079 But I think this team will be a lot more 1592 01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:29.239 discipline than what they have been in the last I agree. 1593 01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:32.039 I agree. I love the fact that he's a Parcels 1594 01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:36.039 disciple because Parcels I just wish they could have retained 1595 01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:39.199 his and they didn't. But anyway, Johnny, thank you. I 1596 01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.199 really appreciate your but but by the book, you'll enjoy 1597 01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:45.560 it sounds good, any guys. 1598 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.079 Yes, thank you. Another way, speaking of the book, let 1599 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:49.760 me throw it up here on the screen real quick. 1600 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.000 You guys can go to Yeah, you could go to 1601 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:55.680 Amazon right now. Beyond Broadway Joeisubull Team that changed Football. 1602 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:59.000 The paperback version is available right now on Amazon, so 1603 01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:01.399 make sure you head on over just typing in Beyond 1604 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:03.840 Broadway Joe and it pops right up there on the 1605 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.800 top link, So make sure you check it out there. 1606 01:27:07.119 --> 01:27:09.399 Do you have any doubts at all. Read read the 1607 01:27:09.439 --> 01:27:12.680 recommendations of people who are present. 1608 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:15.960 They speak to themselves. Yeah, we have over three hundred 1609 01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:19.039 people in the room, so everyone liked the video a hit. Subscribe. 1610 01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:21.720 We appreciate it. Support Bob as he's here on the show. 1611 01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:23.720 One more. We forgot to get to that question from 1612 01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:27.119 beat Job. What is your Fourth of July celebrations tomorrow? 1613 01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:27.439 Bob? 1614 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:28.319 What do you got going on? 1615 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:30.159 Yeah? I think my wife and I are just going 1616 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.520 to try to find someplace to hang out and do 1617 01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:37.359 something different because I still work, and so tomorrow will 1618 01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:39.840 be a welcome off day just to not work. And 1619 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:42.039 we may go to the movies this afternoon. 1620 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:44.279 Okay, I don't know. 1621 01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:48.199 We're looking at the Jurassic movie, but I'm seeing I've. 1622 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:50.359 Been looking at that too. Well, I'll tell you this, Bob, 1623 01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:52.560 I always feel this way. So you know, it's funny 1624 01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:55.039 that it all comes full circle when I hear a 1625 01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:58.079 review for something I haven't a movie. We'll just use 1626 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:00.000 that as an example. If someone gives me a view 1627 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:01.880 of a movie I haven't seen you and they're like, 1628 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:04.720 I don't know, man, it's sort of questionable. I tell 1629 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.359 that person I make my own decisions, buddy boy, so 1630 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.039 pack your review. I'm gonna I'm gonna read a book 1631 01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:12.159 and make my own opinion. I'm gonna watch a movie 1632 01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:14.239 and do it. So, Bob, if you want to see 1633 01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:17.159 that Jurassic Park movie with the very talented and beautiful 1634 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.880 Scarlet Johansson, then damn it, you go see that movie, 1635 01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:23.159 Bob letter. As far as I'm concerned, let's go. 1636 01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:25.600 We'll go to the early show to get the cheapest 1637 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:26.239 price we can. 1638 01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:28.800 There, you go, matten a baby, love it all right, 1639 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:31.159 Let's go to the phone lines. Frank A k A. 1640 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:33.399 For Lily, I gotta get that out of my head 1641 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:36.000 because that's that's that's gonna be a hard transition. But 1642 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:37.319 for Lily, what's going on? Brother? 1643 01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:40.800 Hey? For really, don't hit me. You look like you're 1644 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:41.479 too big for me. 1645 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:45.920 It just arrived last night. 1646 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:51.560 Actually okay, well I seriously you can. Yes, here's my 1647 01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:55.159 email address. It's our fl Bob at gmail dot com. 1648 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:58.319 You send me, you send me just little notes as 1649 01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:00.399 you get through it and say, wow, I love the 1650 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.800 chapter on web or I love the chapter on Yeah. 1651 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:07.359 I literally I just got it. Thank you, thank you. 1652 01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:10.560 How much would you have to pay for that vintage copy. 1653 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.319 I don't know, twenty bucks. Maybe I don't even know 1654 01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.239 what it wasn't that about? It was on Amazon, don't 1655 01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:15.760 even remember. 1656 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:16.600 It wasn't good. 1657 01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:18.039 It wasn't enough for me to care. 1658 01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.920 Thank you, thank you very much. Where do you have 1659 01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:23.000 I've got a couple of. 1660 01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:25.439 Jet But I was only four. 1661 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:31.000 In January sixty nine, so I don't remember the game. 1662 01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.840 I watched it twenty million times. Where your fam was? 1663 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:35.399 Your family? Yeah? 1664 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.880 My brother was a huge My brother's eight years older 1665 01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:40.119 than me. He was a huge Jets fan, huge Joe 1666 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:40.760 Namath fan. 1667 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.000 Where is his copy? Good question? 1668 01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:45.720 Where are you? 1669 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:48.560 I'll have to let him out him? Where are you 1670 01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:51.399 calling Trump? Where do you live? I live in Dallas 1671 01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.560 right now, but I grew up in New Jersey. Wow? Okay, good? 1672 01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:56.279 How about the cowboys? 1673 01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:57.520 What was that? 1674 01:29:57.920 --> 01:29:59.720 How about them cowboys that? 1675 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:02.479 You know what the best part about the being here 1676 01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:05.279 in Dallas is when Stephen A. Smith, you know, you 1677 01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:08.359 know Stephen I. Smith is obviously the next day he 1678 01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:11.119 goes and abuses them because they lost some stupid game 1679 01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:13.520 or how they lost. It's it's phenomenal because all my 1680 01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:16.560 friends here, they're all Dallas cowboys do. 1681 01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:18.000 You think they're gonna be any good this year. 1682 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:19.079 The Cowboys. 1683 01:30:19.479 --> 01:30:24.800 Yeah, I think they're gonna win nine, nine, ten games 1684 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.520 between eight and nine and we're in that range, which 1685 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.399 I think, Actually, I think that Jeffs are gonna be 1686 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.600 in the same, not ten. I said this before, Paul, 1687 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:36.279 You've heard me say this before. 1688 01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:37.479 I said it. 1689 01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:40.680 After twelve games, Jets are gonna be six and six. 1690 01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:43.159 That's gonna come down to the last five games. I 1691 01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.199 think they're gonna win eight or nine games. And I 1692 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:46.960 think they're gonna do it the way Bob you said 1693 01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:49.079 they were gonna do it. You don't need a second 1694 01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:51.199 they don't need a second wide receiver. 1695 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:55.840 They're gonna be throwing. I didn't say. I told I 1696 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.439 completely disagree with that. They do need a second wife. 1697 01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:00.079 My mob wants a second risk. 1698 01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.359 Use their running backs. Is their second wide receiver. They 1699 01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:09.119 you gotta have. You got to stop the double team 1700 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:11.760 on your best wide receiver. They're gonna double team him 1701 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:12.359 on every play. 1702 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:16.479 And I and I think that, I personally think they're 1703 01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:18.800 gonna they're gonna be able to get the ball out 1704 01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:22.079 to the breast and and I think Justin Field is 1705 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:24.079 gonna run a lot I do believe he's gonna break. 1706 01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:27.319 I think yeah, And I think I think he's gonna 1707 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:29.079 run a lot, and they're gonna tell him if if 1708 01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:32.039 the guy is if the first receiver isn't open. He's 1709 01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:33.800 not good at looking at the second of the. 1710 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:37.479 Go. 1711 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.600 And you know, now obviously he could get really badly hurt. 1712 01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:44.640 But you got to catch him. As Ali used to say, 1713 01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:49.359 you got to catch me first. And what questions do 1714 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:49.600 you have? 1715 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:50.439 No? 1716 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:55.000 I just so you're you obviously saw the game. You 1717 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:57.960 you know, wrote about it well. 1718 01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.600 And by the way, your your mount rush were Paul, 1719 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:03.399 I agreed, I put we've on that, but I didn't 1720 01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:06.399 know who to take off. I'll be honest that you 1721 01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:09.039 can go back to the comments Paul from a couple 1722 01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:10.840 of days ago. I put weve on that, but I 1723 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:13.479 actually had no idea to take off. But I'm all 1724 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:15.600 about winning, So I think it has to be people 1725 01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:18.000 from that Eric, because it's all about the winning. But 1726 01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:20.680 my question for you is, like you were you were 1727 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:22.399 obviously you were sixteen. 1728 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:23.760 He sent what was. 1729 01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:30.239 Like, what was the most fascinating thing you've like? What 1730 01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:32.279 we think the most important part of that game was? 1731 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:33.760 In your opinion. 1732 01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:36.239 And you may have said it in the book, but 1733 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:37.479 I'll tell you no. 1734 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:37.640 No. 1735 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:40.920 I mentioned the turning point last week. The turning point 1736 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:43.199 was in the first quarter when the Jets realized that 1737 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:47.960 Boldemort was running their offense and the Colts didn't realize it. Yeah, 1738 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:51.520 that was interesting. Yeah, And I thought that was the 1739 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.760 biggest ahai in the book. And I tried to get 1740 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:58.560 on all kinds of media just to talk about that, 1741 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:03.439 because nobody has ever mentioned that. And John Schmidt is 1742 01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:05.920 the one who told me about it, and he was 1743 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:10.479 the center uh and and it's just it's amazing that 1744 01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:13.960 that could have been the case. But it's a it's 1745 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:17.159 an absolute remarkable thing. So that was the turning point 1746 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:21.279 in the first quarter when Weeb called Cleve Rush over 1747 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:24.880 and they listened to to uh A moral calling plays. 1748 01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:28.600 And then they called Joe over and Schmidt and said, look, listen, 1749 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:32.479 listen to the play calls, and they they could predict 1750 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.880 what where the ball was going. And so they told 1751 01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:38.119 Joe go out there and let's mix it up. Let 1752 01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:41.119 they'll they'll be expecting us to go in this direction. 1753 01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:45.079 Immediately when they start to move you you're audible, and 1754 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.399 you change it immediately. In like three seconds get any 1755 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.159 other would go the other way. And the cole players 1756 01:33:51.199 --> 01:33:54.199 I talked to, some of them just wouldn't admit that 1757 01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:57.159 the Jets at one farre and square. But they all 1758 01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:58.960 said to me they couldn't figure out why they were 1759 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:03.439 always a step or two behind on every play. And 1760 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:07.520 even the most professional best athletes of all time, when 1761 01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:10.399 you get them going in the wrong direction, it's hard 1762 01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:13.079 for them to stop and and and not be taking 1763 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.520 advantage of it when the ball goes in the other direction. 1764 01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:20.319 So that that that was that. And and in the 1765 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:25.640 third quarter, Boltemore's first play from scrimmage, Tom Maddy goes down, 1766 01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:28.479 goes up the middle, gets four or five yards, and 1767 01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:32.199 Roland Biggs hits him. The ball pops loose, and Ralph 1768 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:36.000 Baker picks it up and the Jets down deep. What 1769 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:37.840 three or four turnovers in that game? 1770 01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:38.079 Right? 1771 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:43.680 They beverly had two interceptions, uh, sample had an interception 1772 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:48.159 and then interceptions uh And and there was the one 1773 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:50.880 bubble recovery. 1774 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:51.239 Yeah. 1775 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:53.239 And then in the fourth quarter. And I don't think 1776 01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:57.199 they threw the ball in the fourth quarter, not one throw. 1777 01:34:57.800 --> 01:34:58.000 Yeah. 1778 01:34:58.199 --> 01:34:59.760 And that was the big thing. I mean, I think 1779 01:34:59.800 --> 01:35:02.439 you're year somebody said it was a year. Someone said, well, 1780 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:04.720 they wanted to open up the offense, but I'm like, 1781 01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:06.399 I think they would have lost opened up. 1782 01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:10.239 The offense wanted. He was sitting in the stands too, 1783 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:13.359 and he said, damn, let's let's blow these guys off 1784 01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:16.560 the field. Because he could see from high above, you 1785 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:18.640 know that the wide receivers could get open, and he 1786 01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:22.479 saw what the running backs were doing, even taking swing passes. 1787 01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:23.000 Out of the backfield. 1788 01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:28.199 Yeah, and you know, always wide opening and Maynard. Maynard 1789 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.159 didn't make a single catch that day. It might have 1790 01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:32.079 been one of the best games he ever played because 1791 01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:33.840 he was the greatest decoy. 1792 01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:35.600 At this hour. 1793 01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:39.000 Yeah, that far, I do remember from watching the YouTube's 1794 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:42.359 I have. So I have another comment regarding the Matt's 1795 01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:47.279 and Matt Snell thaying, you know you mentioned George Steinbrenner 1796 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.119 and Yogi Bear and the way that got connected. I 1797 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:52.680 don't know if you know the story Susan Waldman, who 1798 01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:58.239 worked for Yes and Who's A Who's A. Yeah, she 1799 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:01.119 actually went to George and said, look, you gotta change, 1800 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:03.439 you gotta fix this. Do you know anybody who could 1801 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:05.800 actually do that with Woody or with someone in a jetment, 1802 01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:09.680 possibly yourself or anybody. I don't realize that I didn't 1803 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:11.319 even notice about match now, by the way, I had 1804 01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:12.479 no idea if that was going on. 1805 01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:13.880 Told well, like. 1806 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:16.279 I said, the Post and the Deli News have been 1807 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:20.239 sending people there to his home in Newark like it's 1808 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:23.720 Newark for years and years and years. It finally stopped 1809 01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:27.319 after the fiftieth anniversary. But he just ignored them and 1810 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.319 closed the door. And he wouldn't even talk to him 1811 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:31.439 about it. And he was I was the first guy 1812 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:35.840 that he told. I told the Jets when when I 1813 01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:39.760 was escorted into the Jets offices to one of their 1814 01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:43.319 vps by the guy who helped me with all the 1815 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:47.079 WEAED memorabilia. He's he's a very rich guy, has four 1816 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:50.119 season tickets, each of them five hundred bucks a game 1817 01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:57.039 a game for season tickets. And he escorted me and 1818 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.359 we talked about the book, and uh, the sub came 1819 01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:02.800 up about what are you going to do for the 1820 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:06.199 fiftieth aniverse? Oh, we got big plans and whatever. And 1821 01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:08.800 I said, what are you doing about Matt Snell? Oh 1822 01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.840 we got big plans too. I said, well, I don't 1823 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:13.720 need you to tell me everything, but you know how 1824 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:17.319 mad Matt Snell is at you. Oh yeah, we know 1825 01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:20.279 there's animosity, but we think we can take care of it. 1826 01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:24.199 I said, listen, I'm here, and I'd be very happy 1827 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:27.359 to serve as a liaison in some way or to 1828 01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:29.600 help you because I can talk to Matt. He won't 1829 01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:32.279 talk to you right now, and I can see what. 1830 01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:36.399 In fact, when I met Matt the only time in person, 1831 01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:40.640 he met me in Manhattan, and I took him and 1832 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:43.720 his buddy out to dinner, and part of the evening 1833 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:47.119 really was for me to find out from Matt what 1834 01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:49.840 is it going to take for you to make amends 1835 01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:54.399 with the Jets. And I left that evening knowing what 1836 01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:57.960 He might be open to it, but he was ninety 1837 01:37:58.039 --> 01:38:03.560 percent not there. He really wasn't interested. And his his buddy, 1838 01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:06.880 you know, basically said that to me as well, that boy, 1839 01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:09.439 it's really going to take something to turn Matt around 1840 01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:12.000 because he's got a lot of anger for a lot 1841 01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:13.920 of years. And I said, yeah, I know, it's it's 1842 01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:16.319 hard to get over. So I offered it to the 1843 01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:20.960 Jets and they basically said, don't don't need any help. 1844 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:23.760 We got it all figured out. And and I also 1845 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:28.279 said last week that at the fiftieth anniversary celebration in 1846 01:38:28.359 --> 01:38:30.520 the hotel, at least before the before the game. This 1847 01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:35.680 is on Saturday. The game was on Sunday. The VP 1848 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:37.279 that I talked to came over to me. You know, 1849 01:38:37.359 --> 01:38:40.119 I got Matt's uniform in the in my car on 1850 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:43.319 the in the trunk just in case he shows up, 1851 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:47.039 and said he's not showing up. You haven't done what 1852 01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:49.760 you needed to do. Well, you know, we'll still love 1853 01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:51.880 a great I said, you'll have a great thing tomorrow, 1854 01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:55.680 but Matt Snell needs to be there. And I got 1855 01:38:55.800 --> 01:39:01.399 to tell you I'm you know, I'm really sad for 1856 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:04.800 you and Test that you guys couldn't make this work 1857 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:07.680 because this was the time to make it work. And 1858 01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:11.439 he I told Matt, you deserve to come out down 1859 01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:14.720 the field and get the standing ovation from seventy five 1860 01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:19.000 thousand people that you have long deserved. And you know 1861 01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:22.439 I feel that to this day. But it's I don't 1862 01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:26.560 think it's ever going to happen. And I could call 1863 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:30.079 Woody's office, you know, from now until hell Freeze is over, 1864 01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:31.399 and he's not going to come to the phone to 1865 01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:35.000 listen to me. Do you think it's more the Jets 1866 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:37.279 right now, or is it more Matt? It's the Jets. 1867 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:42.159 It's the Jets because they think, basically, they think. What 1868 01:39:42.279 --> 01:39:44.560 they said to me was, oh, yeah, Matt'll walk in 1869 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:47.399 here and we'll we'll talk him through this. And I said, 1870 01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:50.760 Matt's never walking in through this front door. You're gonna 1871 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:53.920 have to go to him. Yeah, and oh well, okay, 1872 01:39:54.039 --> 01:39:56.760 well you know, we'll we'll send people there and they'll 1873 01:39:56.800 --> 01:39:59.880 go run up to his apartment. I said, that's not 1874 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:03.000 it either. You've got to lay the groundwork. He's not 1875 01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:04.960 just going to stand there and wait for you to 1876 01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:08.199 drive up. You have, you have, you have to make 1877 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:10.800 amends with this guy. This guy Fields, he's been screwed 1878 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:15.359 and he's now whatever. He was probably seventy years old. 1879 01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:18.600 Then how old is he now, Paul? Is he like 1880 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:19.279 eighty something? 1881 01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:19.520 Yeah? 1882 01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:22.960 I got that, And I said, this has been brewing 1883 01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:24.560 for over eighty three. 1884 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:25.960 He's three. 1885 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.640 He's been brewing for like fifty years. Because he retired 1886 01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:35.920 relatively early. He played sixty four till seventy three. I 1887 01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:39.319 think maybe with seventy two, so it's a long time. 1888 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:41.960 And yeah, he played till seventy two. He retired at 1889 01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:42.840 the age of thirty one. 1890 01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:45.800 Yeah, and they didn't. 1891 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:46.439 They didn't. 1892 01:40:46.520 --> 01:40:49.079 They refuse to help him, you know, get a job 1893 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:53.720 outside the organization, outside football. We don't, they told him. 1894 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:57.199 We don't give references even to our ex players. 1895 01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:00.840 What it's amazing. 1896 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.199 It's an amazing story, which I never knew it. 1897 01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:06.800 And I, you know, and I had a hard time 1898 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.119 getting people to talk to me about the book on 1899 01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:11.479 you know, on radio or whatever. And one of the 1900 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:13.039 guys I tried to talk to you said, I'm not 1901 01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:15.000 interested in talking to you. Get me mad to talk 1902 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.600 to me. And I begged Matt to help me with 1903 01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:20.079 the book, and Matt said, Bob, I've done all I 1904 01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:23.239 can to help you, and I'm really not interested in 1905 01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:26.359 helping promote the Jets because that's what I think I'd 1906 01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:27.960 be doing, promoting the Jets. 1907 01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:37.640 Fair enough, Thanks for the call, Brot. There you go, 1908 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:40.920 four callers coming, Philly Noodles, You're up next. 1909 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:48.760 What's going on? Bob? Here we go? All right, So, Bob, 1910 01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:52.479 I respect your take. Yes, weave you bank. I'm sorry 1911 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:54.960 I'm putting in the demand in the context like this. 1912 01:41:55.079 --> 01:42:00.199 I know it sounds mean, but you Bank, Ye, I 1913 01:42:00.279 --> 01:42:02.039 have to do it. Revers has got to go there, 1914 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.640 and it's no. And I understand the bias to the 1915 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:07.800 super Bowl. The respect of the super Bowl has to 1916 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:09.439 be there, and I get it, but you already have 1917 01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:13.520 that in representatives with Maynard and name can't. 1918 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.600 I didn't put Maynard on there. I put Joe. 1919 01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:21.960 Yeah, what's what I'm saying. I feel like you got 1920 01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:27.199 to put Maynard, Nameth, Martin Reaves. You gotta have representatives 1921 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:32.920 of yesterday and near the past. You can't. We can't 1922 01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:34.800 say on an all time team. So I can do 1923 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:36.960 that with the Lakers and just be like, well it's 1924 01:42:37.239 --> 01:42:39.800 Elgin Baylor. I could just pick all the old time 1925 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:42.520 guys that were great that one then and excuse Kobe 1926 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:44.279 and Shock, like you can do that all day with 1927 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.239 all these type of teams. You just can't do that. 1928 01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:49.000 If you're saying all time, it means the span of time. 1929 01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:52.680 It's time. It's not all team, it's not all super 1930 01:42:52.720 --> 01:42:57.239 Bowl win, it's all time. So time is relevant to everything, 1931 01:42:57.359 --> 01:42:59.840 not just the past. So you gotta bring in future. 1932 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:03.680 You gotta says, is like top five cornerbacks of all times. 1933 01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:07.920 We're adding a fifth bust to to Mount Rushmore. 1934 01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.199 Oh you can add a six. Can you imagine all 1935 01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:13.079 the other teams like the forty nine ers, the Steelers, 1936 01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:15.199 like you can add a bus that's bigger than the. 1937 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:18.560 How many super Bowls do they want? 1938 01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:22.199 Yeah? So I and I was gonna preface. Besides, so 1939 01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:23.600 I came up in my mind. I'm like, well, I 1940 01:43:23.640 --> 01:43:26.920 could preface. Okay, I can go with Bob's take and say, Bob, 1941 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.399 let's go against all the one win super Bowl teams 1942 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.760 and let's go with their mount rushmore. Would they include 1943 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.760 every one of their coaches? Maybe right, like the Saints 1944 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:38.960 might have to put Sean Yeah, I. 1945 01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:42.720 Mean I get that, but those but those coaches didn't 1946 01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:45.399 build a team. We built a team. That's the only 1947 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.720 reason I actually put him up there is that he 1948 01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:51.720 bought the groceries and then he cooked the groceries. 1949 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:55.159 And it's a good take. It's a New Yorkers take. 1950 01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:59.319 One of the great things about my book, if you 1951 01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:03.119 haven't read it, is there are anecdotes from we We've 1952 01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:07.840 used to do annual written analyzes of each of his players, 1953 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:10.279 and I had access to that, and so I saw 1954 01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:12.399 a year to year what he wrote about Joe and 1955 01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:14.479 what he wrote about Philip and what he wrote about 1956 01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:17.199 Matt Snell and that sort of thing, and it shows 1957 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:21.479 you the development that they made and and that to 1958 01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:25.680 me was very telling. And and you know who I mean, 1959 01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:28.720 there probably is a coaching general manager today. I forget. 1960 01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:31.439 But it's a it's a vanishing breed. 1961 01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:35.439 I hear your take. That's it's a good take without 1962 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:38.479 a doubt. So it is to say, like, yeah, let's 1963 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:39.039 put that to Bill. 1964 01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:39.680 What else you got? 1965 01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:41.640 I was gonna bring that And I was like, all right, 1966 01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:43.560 so I think what the take I took there was 1967 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.680 good with you? So oh yeah. So now with the wins, 1968 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:50.239 I'm not Goda. Scotty is my hero. Like Scotty is 1969 01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:53.359 the iverinnerjet fan that we have where he's like, I'll 1970 01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:56.680 bet everybody fust the board, we're gonna go to the 1971 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.039 super Bowl, like you know what I mean, you know, 1972 01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:02.439 but in actuality, I look at the schedule and I 1973 01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:05.640 can't help but say, six wins seems almost but easy, 1974 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:09.439 And it's really how many times do you split? Do 1975 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:13.199 you split all three series which you're AFC East folks, 1976 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.119 Let's say we went out against the Dolphins or we 1977 01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:19.520 should win out against the Patriots. That's four wins right there. 1978 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:20.720 So I'm not even so. 1979 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:23.760 We're gonna I don't think we're gonna win out against 1980 01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:24.319 the Patriots. 1981 01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:26.680 So that's what I'm saying. If you logically just split, 1982 01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:30.640 give yourself a win with the Panthers, you give yourself 1983 01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:33.239 a win with the Browns. We give ourselves a win 1984 01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:36.560 with the Steelers, which is definitely manageable, and we basically 1985 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:40.840 beat the Broncos, but we lost the kicking aspect. You 1986 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:44.279 have yourself there six wins easily. So to me, it's like, 1987 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:46.600 do we are we in fear of the Buccaneers. 1988 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:50.920 I'm not, Well, you know what, you you just made 1989 01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:53.960 a great point that hasn't come up today about how 1990 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.840 many wins they can get. Yeah, do you have any 1991 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:58.319 confidence in their kicking game? 1992 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:01.560 Well, that's what I'm so, let's see if the thinker. 1993 01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:05.079 I think one of them will probably I don't know 1994 01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:07.119 which one, but one of them will probably be okay. 1995 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:11.840 But kicking, kicking is an art. Kicking is not you know, 1996 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:15.640 and and in fact, Paul, you probably know who I'm 1997 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:19.359 talking about, But there was this unbelievable punter from three 1998 01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:24.760 years ago that Buffalo drafted out of San Diego State. Yeah, 1999 01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.439 who basically got in trouble that they had rape charges 2000 01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:32.239 against him which apparently were dropped or they were not 2001 01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:36.359 guilty or whatever. And that guy, you know, is still 2002 01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:38.199 out there and I don't know, you know. 2003 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:42.520 What his He's been picked up, I believe, Actually, yeah, 2004 01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:44.159 I believe. So I would have to double check, but 2005 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:45.159 I think he did get picked up. 2006 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:48.359 I don't know, but but I mean I was when 2007 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:50.920 I heard about him coming out of college. He said, Jeevez, 2008 01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:53.039 come on, you can draft him the sixth round. What 2009 01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:54.520 are you going to lose by drafting him in the 2010 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:55.119 sixth round? 2011 01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:59.840 The punt God. Yeah, now, Bob one thing. I will 2012 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.000 hundred percent agree with you. I am in fear of 2013 01:47:02.079 --> 01:47:06.199 a second wide receiver situation. So let's say Josh Reynolds 2014 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:09.039 is your third flex option because he really is a 2015 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:13.279 very reliable hands receiver. He proved that the past two years, 2016 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:16.279 so I'm cool with him being a good three. I 2017 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:20.319 set it across all platforms, JET related, on Facebook, anywhere 2018 01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:23.800 I can get it. They need to attack some team's 2019 01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:27.680 vulnerability of having too many good receivers. That's the Packers. 2020 01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:31.800 There's a couple of the teams headed that way. I 2021 01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:36.920 mean the Packers got the Tivian Wicks, Dobbs and Watson. 2022 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:41.840 Watson would probably be or Dobbs your first, you know, strike, 2023 01:47:42.079 --> 01:47:45.479 but they could come at a significant cost, meaning you know, 2024 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:47.039 these guys want to get paid, but they're not better 2025 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:49.840 than Garrett Wilson. So to me, it's not even a competition. 2026 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.399 You signed Wilson and then you go and trade for 2027 01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:56.319 somebody's number three or four wide receiver who's not getting 2028 01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:58.920 enough light that you can become the number two house. 2029 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:00.800 I'll high drift pick you're willing to go. 2030 01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:03.640 I'm willing to give up a third rounder and you 2031 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:05.439 might even be able to get away with a fourth 2032 01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:08.520 because of the desperation of having too much in one team. 2033 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:12.720 Like the Packers drafted Matt Golden, so he has to 2034 01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:14.800 be a starter. He was drafted I think first round, 2035 01:48:15.279 --> 01:48:18.680 so you have to start the Yeah, you gotta start. 2036 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:21.800 What you've seen so far in training camp. You have 2037 01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:23.560 any belief in Aaron Smith. 2038 01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:28.199 Not one hundred. I think he's the burner, which is fine, 2039 01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:30.319 but again, he has to come into a fold as 2040 01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:32.880 a fourth, but he's going to be your four. 2041 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:36.359 That guy can catch the ball, he can open it 2042 01:48:36.479 --> 01:48:43.520 up for Garrett well, he will beat defenses with his 2043 01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:47.439 speed uh and and force them to take him seriously. 2044 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.640 And you know, even doing that and having the free safety, 2045 01:48:52.119 --> 01:48:54.760 you know, go deep to him, double team or whatever. 2046 01:48:55.720 --> 01:48:59.199 So Bob, that's a good call. I think he's liking, 2047 01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:03.239 to me like a DeShawn Jackson when affiliate waters. So 2048 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:06.800 if they can get him used in that light, sure, 2049 01:49:07.399 --> 01:49:10.159 But the Shawn Jackson wasn't he like really considered their 2050 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:13.880 number one option. So Arian Smith, still I think you 2051 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:16.680 pepper him in. But I still think the number two 2052 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:20.119 drafted from somewhere else that you can bring in even 2053 01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:22.680 as a one year. Hey, we gave up this pick 2054 01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:25.079 because if it works out, he might help us drag 2055 01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:26.239 ourselves into a wald farm. 2056 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:26.760 I wouldn't. 2057 01:49:26.760 --> 01:49:27.159 I wouldn't. 2058 01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:29.920 I wouldn't give up a three. You know, a lot 2059 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:35.720 of these teams are trading five, yeah, four parts, and okay, 2060 01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:38.920 maybe I'll be willing to do that. But because they're 2061 01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:42.319 going to get some extra picks next year, I think 2062 01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:44.880 they have a bunch of extra seventh round picks. 2063 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:47.640 Yeah, compensatory picks there. We'll get an extra fourth for 2064 01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:51.520 Hassan Reddick that is projected, and then several or sevens. 2065 01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:55.000 Is what about a four? A four for Romeo Dobbs 2066 01:49:55.359 --> 01:49:58.159 or Christian Watson line them up as a second. I 2067 01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:00.439 don't know, that's pretty that's pretty tough to me. That 2068 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:03.720 gives some fear and the other coordinator like, oh, okay. 2069 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.000 Why is why is Green Bay going to give up 2070 01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:07.800 a young talented wide receiver? 2071 01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:11.560 Because they have too many as right now? They have 2072 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:13.760 way too many. They just picked up a couple of 2073 01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:17.119 the players too, they picked up Michel Hardman. That could 2074 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:19.159 be special teams play to be honest, but either way, 2075 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:21.319 they have way too many. They have a plothoraugh. So 2076 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:23.880 you were attacking teams with that many. I'm not saying 2077 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.840 you attack all teams. Teams with that many, you have 2078 01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:28.880 to go and take a gamble out. 2079 01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:31.680 Okay, all right, makes a lot of sense. Tell me, 2080 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:34.680 thank you for the call, folks, for getting along here. 2081 01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:38.520 So we'll just do some quick today. 2082 01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:39.720 Paul, what else you got to do? 2083 01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:42.479 I guess that's a good point. So all right, here's next. 2084 01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:43.840 We have Bill. What's up? Bill? 2085 01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:44.439 WHOA? 2086 01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:47.880 I didn't think I was going to get on, So 2087 01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:50.760 I'm glad you called. You know Bill, I've seen you 2088 01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:54.039 on another show which we both know. Yeah, and I've 2089 01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:56.720 heard you talk. I've heard you talk about the sixty 2090 01:50:56.840 --> 01:50:59.920 nine Jets, and I was desperately trying to find you 2091 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:02.239 on Facebook, on Twitter whatever. 2092 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.479 To basically get out of Twitter. Oh my god, to 2093 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:11.479 try to tell you my book. I actually I'm waiting 2094 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:14.680 on your book. I purchased it. I'm waiting for them 2095 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:15.600 to mail it to me. 2096 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:19.439 Great, I got the New York I mean, see Queen's 2097 01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:20.479 on your on your. 2098 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:21.960 Yeah, I'm a Mets fan. 2099 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.359 I'm a Mets fan in addition to Jets fan. 2100 01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:25.560 I'm both. 2101 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:29.600 I grew up in Flushing, literally two miles from Say Stadium, 2102 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:32.640 so I was, I was a fan. I still am 2103 01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:37.000 a fan, although last night I must admit Game two 2104 01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:40.199 I deliberately did not watch because I've been disgusted by 2105 01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:42.560 what I've seen. But now maybe they've turned the corner. 2106 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:45.800 We'll see. But you live in Queens, No, I'm a 2107 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:51.520 Latin from Manhattan. Oh okay, great? Whereabouts? I live on 2108 01:51:51.640 --> 01:51:54.800 the Upper west Side Oh okay, good. Yeah, my son 2109 01:51:55.119 --> 01:51:57.399 who just got married, was on the Upper west Side 2110 01:51:57.399 --> 01:51:59.399 on ninety second Street, and I moved to the Upper 2111 01:51:59.439 --> 01:52:01.239 east Side street. 2112 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:05.640 Yeah, I'm one of those guys that has the what 2113 01:52:05.800 --> 01:52:08.159 is it the embarrassment of saying, well, let me see. 2114 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:11.319 I was eleven years old when the Mets won the 2115 01:52:11.399 --> 01:52:14.119 sixty nine World Series, and I remember clearly car I 2116 01:52:14.199 --> 01:52:17.920 was a Mets fan then. Unfortunately, I was not a 2117 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:24.800 football fan then. I was not watching any football back then, 2118 01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:29.720 and I only heard secondhand about Joe Namath the guarantee. 2119 01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:33.359 Have you watched that was great? Have you watched YouTube 2120 01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:37.279 to look at the game? I have not. Well, go 2121 01:52:37.680 --> 01:52:39.359 back and watch it. I'll tell you it is not 2122 01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:42.640 the most fascinating football game you're ever gonna see. But 2123 01:52:43.439 --> 01:52:45.640 watching name it in action, because I think Namath had 2124 01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:48.119 his best game as a all around pro, as a 2125 01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:53.359 field tactician and any throwing game and basically not trying 2126 01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:58.119 to be a gun slinger. And the defense played very well. 2127 01:52:58.239 --> 01:53:01.439 And there's really twist and turn in that game. You know, 2128 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:04.640 somebody asked me earlier, what was the turning point? Well, 2129 01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:07.119 there was another turning point in the game. It was 2130 01:53:07.159 --> 01:53:10.439 the first time Baltimore had the got had the ball, 2131 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:14.399 and they methodically marched downfield and want and watched this 2132 01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:18.239 bill as you watch the game, and it was like 2133 01:53:18.399 --> 01:53:23.119 it was second and ten or something. And John Elliott, 2134 01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:27.640 who was the Jets' right defensive tackle, was such a 2135 01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:30.920 good pass rusher, and they thought he was susceptible to 2136 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:32.960 the run, but he got better and better against it. 2137 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:38.359 But there's just one play, and you can't see it 2138 01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:42.600 on NBC, But I had the film, the NFL film 2139 01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:46.640 that they gave to the Jets of that game, and 2140 01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:50.039 you can see this that I'm describing. On this play, 2141 01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:56.920 Baltimore's right tackle, so he's not opposite John Elliott. Baltemore's 2142 01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:00.720 right tack, the right guard, excuse me, block John Elliott. 2143 01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:05.279 It's going to be a delay, a delay run by 2144 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:09.600 Tom Maddy. John Elliott throws him off to the side. 2145 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:12.960 Here comes the left guard who is opposite John Elliott. 2146 01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:20.760 John Elliott basically flattens him. Here comes Hill, the full back, 2147 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:23.880 to block him, and John Elliott basically just says, get 2148 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:25.880 out of my way, and he throws him aside. And 2149 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.920 here comes Maddie and Elliott puts his arms around him 2150 01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:31.600 and holds him to a one yard game. He threw 2151 01:54:31.680 --> 01:54:34.600 off three blocks in about two and a half seconds. 2152 01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:37.760 And on the next play it was third and nine 2153 01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:41.079 and they tried running. They tried running the ball again 2154 01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:45.319 and Philbin knocked the running back I think it was 2155 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:48.640 Maddie also five yards behind the line of scrimmage. Then 2156 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:51.479 they caused Baltimore to have to try a long field goal, 2157 01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:55.119 which they missed, and that was the first time Baltimore 2158 01:54:55.159 --> 01:54:57.399 had the ball. And Ralph Baker, who was a left 2159 01:54:57.439 --> 01:54:59.760 side linebacker for the Jets, I said, what did you 2160 01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:02.479 think because all this was happening. He said, it really 2161 01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:05.439 bothered me. And really I wondered, you know, what's going 2162 01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:08.359 on here? Because they were just moving everything downfield against us. 2163 01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:10.399 We didn't seem to be able to stop them, and 2164 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:13.800 all of a sudden, the defense stiffened up and stopped them. 2165 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:16.319 And that was a big part of the game because 2166 01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:18.880 Boltimore looked like they were gonna go downfield to score touchdown. 2167 01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:19.720 Yeah. 2168 01:55:20.039 --> 01:55:26.279 Yeah, Anyway, I remember in seventy two watching the Jets 2169 01:55:26.359 --> 01:55:30.720 cold game where name it it in United is Yeah, 2170 01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:34.479 looked up and threw for about eight hundred arts combined 2171 01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:34.720 to his. 2172 01:55:35.039 --> 01:55:38.960 Joe Joe had six touchdowns and Uniteds had five. 2173 01:55:39.479 --> 01:55:40.439 Yeah yeah. 2174 01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:44.000 And John Riggans drew in one hundred and twenty five 2175 01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:46.960 yards rushing, and he was my favorite running back. 2176 01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:50.640 He was amazing. Yeah, if he had stayed longer, he 2177 01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:51.760 might be on Rushmore. 2178 01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:52.479 Yeah. 2179 01:55:52.880 --> 01:55:56.399 Yeah, Well for me, I would like to see Wesley 2180 01:55:56.520 --> 01:56:00.920 Walker on Mount Rushmore too, But yeah, have so much 2181 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:03.159 space or touchdowns. 2182 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:07.960 The Dolphins game right, talk about dueling quarterbacks Ken O'Brien, 2183 01:56:08.119 --> 01:56:11.439 Dan Marino, Wes walkuddies. 2184 01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:13.039 He had the kind of speed. Nobody else in the 2185 01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:16.119 NFL at that point had his kind of speed. Yeah, 2186 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:20.239 and Harold is coming out of college, so yeah, we 2187 01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:23.920 can always hope. You know, maybe Arian Smith will will 2188 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:25.439 do that. All. He's a lot shorter, but. 2189 01:56:25.880 --> 01:56:29.880 I would I think he's gonna make improvements in terms 2190 01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:33.760 of bringing down that drop rate of his and if 2191 01:56:33.840 --> 01:56:38.159 that happens, he's gonna become a much more dangerous receiver. 2192 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:40.880 For from your from your mouth to God's ear. 2193 01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:46.479 Absolutely man, absolutely so. I'm you know, very happy to 2194 01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:48.760 actually meet you for the first time. 2195 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:50.359 Again. 2196 01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:53.399 Embarrassed that I never got to see the Jets in 2197 01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:56.439 their Super Bowl game then because I wasn't even a 2198 01:56:56.479 --> 01:57:01.279 football fan. That came a little bit later. And the 2199 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:07.680 writer Luna is gorgeous, gorgeous so much. My granddaughter's name 2200 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:08.439 is Mia Luna. 2201 01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:15.039 Oh wow. Okay, see we're simpatico. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 2202 01:57:15.399 --> 01:57:17.520 Well, you're talking to it. You're talking to a seven 2203 01:57:17.600 --> 01:57:18.920 time grandfather, So I know. 2204 01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:20.159 There you go. 2205 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:23.600 We're all swimming in the same pool here, which as 2206 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:24.520 much appreciated. 2207 01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:29.279 Finally get great to get to meet you same here 2208 01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:30.399 there he is. 2209 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:32.239 All right, we have one last call, Bob. 2210 01:57:32.359 --> 01:57:32.800 Here we go. 2211 01:57:33.359 --> 01:57:35.840 It's none other than your good old friend Easy in 2212 01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:37.279 the truck. What's up? Easy? 2213 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:41.199 Breakfast at a place. 2214 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:44.640 I saw that you went through an entire journey because 2215 01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:47.159 in the green room I could see every camera that's 2216 01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:50.680 waiting Easy listening to the show breakfast, and then in 2217 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:52.199 the car having his day. 2218 01:57:52.880 --> 01:57:53.960 I haven't had breakfast yet. 2219 01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:54.239 Easy. 2220 01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:56.159 What was what was on your menu this morning? 2221 01:57:56.960 --> 01:57:57.399 I had? 2222 01:57:57.600 --> 01:58:00.960 Well, boy, I usually give the make one or again 2223 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:04.520 a western omelet with rye, toast and butter and a 2224 01:58:04.560 --> 01:58:05.279 cup of coffee. 2225 01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:08.880 I make I make omelets, and my my wife called 2226 01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:11.399 him smell the omelets because they smell up. 2227 01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:13.640 Because you burn the eggs, buddy, and burn the eggs. 2228 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:17.319 What are we talking about today? 2229 01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:19.239 Okay, So. 2230 01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:24.199 I think to get Matt Snell on board. I think 2231 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:28.399 Woody and Chris need to go to his house with 2232 01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:32.760 a limousine and they need to knock on his door 2233 01:58:33.640 --> 01:58:36.239 and beg him to come out to breakfast with them 2234 01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:41.199 and tell him and tell him I was wrong about 2235 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:43.960 what I said in the past. You were an integral 2236 01:58:44.039 --> 01:58:46.920 part of Jets history and we would like to put 2237 01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:47.920 you on the Ring of Honor. 2238 01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:49.399 You deserve to be. 2239 01:58:49.479 --> 01:58:51.560 Honored in front of the fans in the stadium for 2240 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:55.119 your contributions to the Jets. And I think if they 2241 01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:58.680 actually do that in earnest, I think they might get 2242 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:00.359 him to at least go. 2243 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:01.800 To at least yeah. 2244 01:59:01.960 --> 01:59:05.880 The only the only thing I like the idea. The 2245 01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:08.800 only problem is they've already gone up with their limousine 2246 01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:13.079 to his apartment. Oh yeah, I think I think they 2247 01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:17.079 have to set the groundwork first. You can't just go there. 2248 01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:23.800 You can't just go Yeah, you can't just go there 2249 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:27.479 and knock on the door. It's got to be set up. 2250 01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:31.319 And and I think it's a great idea. They should 2251 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:34.319 take him out whatever, But you know, he's eighty three 2252 01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:37.199 years old. Especially now, you got to make you got 2253 01:59:37.319 --> 01:59:40.199 to let him know you're coming so he's ready, because 2254 01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:42.079 you might be sitting there and you might be sitting 2255 01:59:42.119 --> 01:59:46.439 there in his undies for all we know it's no 2256 01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:51.560 I I I hope, Yeah, well I I hope. 2257 01:59:55.680 --> 01:59:57.560 Thank you for sharing. I appreciate that. 2258 01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:02.119 Double down about I want to talk about by Mount Rushmore. 2259 02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:08.720 Go, Okay, I believe I love Revis, but I think 2260 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:12.039 the Mount Rushmore is more about who is the best 2261 02:00:12.159 --> 02:00:16.840 player and who was the best him. And so that's 2262 02:00:16.920 --> 02:00:20.439 why I give Curtis Barton the nod on that, because 2263 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.800 he was beloved that. I mean, it's one thing to 2264 02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:26.720 be crank and all that, and Revs is crank. I 2265 02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:31.319 don't know, but Reeves had some bad blood with some 2266 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:35.239 of the fans, and Curtis Martin was everything you'd ever 2267 02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:38.159 want out of a New York Jet player as far 2268 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:41.840 as a fan is. He was crete, he was gracious, 2269 02:00:42.199 --> 02:00:46.039 he was lovable, and he was a him through and through. 2270 02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:49.960 He wanted when Parcels was going to the Jets, he 2271 02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:52.399 told ourselves, get me, Enity, I want to learn the Jets. 2272 02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:57.039 He wanted to be a Jet. He lives and helved 2273 02:00:57.119 --> 02:01:01.439 and breathed and bled Jet's green. So that's the type 2274 02:01:01.439 --> 02:01:05.760 of guy I want on my Mount Rushing one. That's 2275 02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:07.199 my my take on that one. 2276 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:12.399 Everyone else I have, I have, I have Curtis up there, 2277 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:14.960 and uh, in fact, I think it took way too 2278 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:17.000 long to put him in the Hall of Fame, way 2279 02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:20.920 too long. I mean he was he was a running 2280 02:01:20.960 --> 02:01:25.279 back who did everything run and block and and catch 2281 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:25.720 the ball. 2282 02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:30.039 What didn't he rushing two years two thousand and four. 2283 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:32.319 He's the oldest running back to ever lead the league 2284 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:35.239 in rushing. Yes, he had one thousand, six ninety seven 2285 02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:35.880 rushing yards. 2286 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:39.720 He could run, he could catch, he could block. I 2287 02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:42.600 mean he was everything you want to running back. 2288 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:43.399 He was. 2289 02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:47.840 He's just he was my favorite. I thought Curtis was 2290 02:01:47.880 --> 02:01:52.000 the best. The next next thing we're talking about, we 2291 02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:54.439 were ex time to listen to show people. We're talking 2292 02:01:54.439 --> 02:01:55.560 about do you think. 2293 02:01:57.359 --> 02:01:58.439 Made today? 2294 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:02.319 And my absolutely And I'll tell you what. 2295 02:02:03.800 --> 02:02:06.000 Well, I lost you for a second. So I think 2296 02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:07.840 name it? Do I think name it? And Maynard what? 2297 02:02:09.399 --> 02:02:12.960 They would absolutely make it in the league today, because hey, 2298 02:02:13.399 --> 02:02:16.800 you can't you can't touch the quarterback hardly unless it's 2299 02:02:16.840 --> 02:02:17.560 a clean hit. 2300 02:02:17.880 --> 02:02:20.359 And you can't even fall on the guy even when 2301 02:02:20.359 --> 02:02:24.000 you I've been watching some uh some old film of. 2302 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:28.800 JJ with the Jets when he tackles the guy, he 2303 02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:31.920 literally after as the guy's falling down, He puts his 2304 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:35.399 hands on the ground and pushes himself off the ground 2305 02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:38.840 before the quarterback even hits the floor these days because 2306 02:02:38.880 --> 02:02:41.439 he doesn't want to get penalized for putting his weight 2307 02:02:41.520 --> 02:02:45.199 on the guy. So I think Nameath would have definitely 2308 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:48.520 been better. Plus, you cannot maul the receivers. You got 2309 02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:51.960 five yards, then you gotta let him run. I mean 2310 02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:55.840 you used to have players back in the day. I 2311 02:02:55.920 --> 02:03:01.079 mean Oakland Raiders they had what Jack Tatum and and 2312 02:03:01.359 --> 02:03:05.159 uh Leicster Lester the Molester. I mean, come on, I 2313 02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:07.880 mean you're talking about these guys used to beat the 2314 02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:11.399 crap out of you fifteen twenty yards downfield. 2315 02:03:11.880 --> 02:03:18.920 I mean, this is a different game today. Well, twenty 2316 02:03:18.960 --> 02:03:21.239 year career, he'd kicked. 2317 02:03:21.560 --> 02:03:24.359 The AFL in its time was very strongly a passing 2318 02:03:24.439 --> 02:03:29.840 league and that they the NFL. They wanted to be 2319 02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:32.359 wide open because they thought that was a more exciting 2320 02:03:32.439 --> 02:03:35.560 brand to play and it would attract viewers. And so 2321 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:38.560 I listen, I don't have any goat those guys would 2322 02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:42.439 would be uh would be good today? Would they be 2323 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:43.279 as good as they were? 2324 02:03:43.359 --> 02:03:43.479 Then? 2325 02:03:44.000 --> 02:03:47.920 Hey, you gotta also remember the guys now are faster, bigger, stronger. 2326 02:03:48.640 --> 02:03:52.880 I'm not saying that that that precludes name it and 2327 02:03:53.119 --> 02:03:57.319 and the people of that era from from being really 2328 02:03:57.359 --> 02:03:59.479 good players, But I don't know if they would have 2329 02:03:59.560 --> 02:04:01.600 been the same. It's a different kind of league now 2330 02:04:01.680 --> 02:04:02.359 than it was then. 2331 02:04:03.079 --> 02:04:07.439 And well, I remember during the sack exchange, Mark Gastineau 2332 02:04:07.960 --> 02:04:12.560 was like the third fastest player on the team. Yeah yeah, 2333 02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:17.920 I mean you could you. I mean that's he would 2334 02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:20.920 have made it in today's game. Probably they would put 2335 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:24.520 him at more of an outside linebacker in today's game 2336 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:29.960 in a three to four. But Gastona I think deserves 2337 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:33.840 a Hall of Fame considerations. If you look at his 2338 02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:37.800 at his career numbers, he made almost as many Pro 2339 02:04:37.920 --> 02:04:42.359 Bowls as clecoh and all that stuff and the stacks 2340 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:44.560 and all that. He should be in the Pro Bowl, 2341 02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:46.279 I mean the Hall of Fame, and I hope he 2342 02:04:46.359 --> 02:04:49.279 goes in because the man is sick and I would 2343 02:04:49.279 --> 02:04:51.479 hate to see him get in after he's dead. 2344 02:04:52.439 --> 02:04:55.640 He deserves You watched did you watch the ESPN special 2345 02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:58.720 from a couple of exactly last year but it's been replayed. 2346 02:04:58.760 --> 02:04:59.279 I loved it. 2347 02:04:59.720 --> 02:05:01.960 I loved it, and I fell in love with Mark 2348 02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:05.279 Astina all over again, I mean when he talked about 2349 02:05:05.319 --> 02:05:08.000 how he was molested as a kid, I mean that 2350 02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:11.880 pretty much explains. I mean, you didn't back in that era, 2351 02:05:12.079 --> 02:05:14.399 you didn't talk about that stuff. You had to just 2352 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:16.720 suck it up and live with it. And he had 2353 02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:19.800 to live and play all those games at that high level. 2354 02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:22.880 And that's probably why he had all these these He 2355 02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:27.000 wanted to be loved so bad and he was trying 2356 02:05:27.039 --> 02:05:28.319 to call attention to himself. 2357 02:05:28.640 --> 02:05:29.079 It's just. 2358 02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:34.800 That explains pretty much everything about Mark Astina was his youth. 2359 02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:37.880 I think the most argument I can make for cast 2360 02:05:38.279 --> 02:05:41.359 is I think Gastino is really the person who made 2361 02:05:41.399 --> 02:05:48.960 the sack such a tremendous statistic and how important it 2362 02:05:49.079 --> 02:05:50.960 was in the game. Obviously there have been sacks from 2363 02:05:50.960 --> 02:05:54.079 the beginning, but it just wasn't played up, the fact 2364 02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:56.600 that they weren't even keeping it as a statistic. 2365 02:05:58.119 --> 02:05:59.760 Nineteen eighty two was the first year. 2366 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:02.359 You know, Paul Zimmerman, who was the Jets beat writer 2367 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:07.119 in the New York Post, he had in the sixty 2368 02:06:07.159 --> 02:06:11.439 a sixty nine season he recorded unofficially because it was 2369 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:14.800 his numbers, right Y Alton had twenty and a half sacks, 2370 02:06:15.720 --> 02:06:20.159 and to read that twenty years later unofficially. Why weren't 2371 02:06:20.199 --> 02:06:23.359 they keeping that number somewhere? I mean, it's kind of silly, 2372 02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:24.359 but they weren't. 2373 02:06:25.199 --> 02:06:27.760 Yeah, an important one. I appreciate that. Easy for the 2374 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:30.960 Mark Astna PU Football Hall of Fame consideration. We'll have 2375 02:06:31.079 --> 02:06:35.239 to have that for another show, for sure, Bob, a 2376 02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:38.399 historic show. I hope you get an idea of all 2377 02:06:38.399 --> 02:06:40.560 the people that have wanted you back on the show. 2378 02:06:40.600 --> 02:06:43.279 A lot of them called into the program today. That 2379 02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:45.239 was a lot of fun. So, Bob, thank you so 2380 02:06:45.359 --> 02:06:47.039 much for taking the time ahead of the holiday. 2381 02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:49.680 Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I hope everybody out 2382 02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:52.800 there has a great July fourth, and I look forward 2383 02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:54.199 to seeing you again hopefully next week. 2384 02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:56.880 There we go. Thanks everybody for tuning in to the 2385 02:06:56.920 --> 02:06:58.920 four hundred people that are watching live and the people 2386 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:01.600 that watch and listen into the show after the fact. 2387 02:07:01.640 --> 02:07:04.279 We appreciate it. Have a great day, and we'll