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Speaker 1: our resident New York Jets historian, Bob Letter and I'll
Speaker 1: promote his book. He'd love to hear this before he
Speaker 1: ops on Beyond Broadway, Joe the Super Bowl team that
Speaker 1: changed football, Bob Letterer, You guys can pick up your
Speaker 1: books right now wherever you get your books. Look it up.
Speaker 1: Bob gosh darn Letterer and really the goal, and I'll
Speaker 1: speak for Bob here. The goal for Bob in the
Speaker 1: book is everyone talks about Joe, name of Joe, name
Speaker 1: of Joe, Nama, Joe Namath when there's anniversaries or this
Speaker 1: or that, and for good reason, right, Joe Namath is
Speaker 1: this iconic figure in New York Je's history. But what
Speaker 1: Bob wanted to do for this book is highlight all
Speaker 1: of the other players and coaches. He actually puts it
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the book. Let me skip ahead
Speaker 1: a few pages here for a second. There is a
Speaker 1: shout out here in the book. Where is it? Is
Speaker 1: it the final page? I believe so it's somewhere in
Speaker 1: here where he gives a shout out to all of
Speaker 1: the members of the Jets, their team, their coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and everyone that came together. Yes, there it is. It's
Speaker 1: on the very first page, beyond the title dedicated to
Speaker 1: all fifty six players, coaches. Let me refris it dedicated
Speaker 1: to all fifty six players, coaches and owners of the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight nineteen sixty nine Super Bowl New York Jets.
Speaker 1: And this was a quote from Jim Richards, a special
Speaker 1: team or Super Bowl Jets quote. We didn't have team
Speaker 1: chemistry because we were winning. We won because of the
Speaker 1: intangibles that come from team chemistry. There you go, that
Speaker 1: book beyond Broadway Joe or their guy Bob Lederer, easy,
Speaker 1: says boy Grin with even more shameless self promotion, certainly
Speaker 1: for myself, but also for Bob's book. You bet your
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Speaker 1: there or the other. Bob seemed intrigued. I didn't give
Speaker 1: him all the details. Will allow that to happen once
Speaker 1: the phone lines open up here, uh, in a little bit,
Speaker 1: we'll do that and allow you guys to ask questions
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Speaker 1: having a b O B on the show. And I
Speaker 1: said it before, I'll say it again. This is a
Speaker 1: show by the people for the people. A lot of
Speaker 1: shows say that, but I don't know if a lot
Speaker 1: of shows you deliver on that. I literally give you, guys,
Speaker 1: is what you want. And you, guys asked for this man,
Speaker 1: and he is coming back. It is bo B. It
Speaker 1: is Bob Lederer. He is the author of this very
Speaker 1: book I have in front of me, Beyond Broadway, Beyond Broadway,
Speaker 1: Joe the Super Bowl team that changed football, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that on the show today as well. And
Speaker 1: here he is back today and weekly moving forward, Let's
Speaker 1: bring him in. Bob Lederer, Baby, what's up, Bob boom.
Speaker 2: This is this is my pride. Wow, this is that book. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm signed by all living members of the super Bowl team.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, what a what a what a piece
Speaker 1: of action there, Bob.
Speaker 2: That's a jet's keep saying if there ever was one.
Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to break into my house, my
Speaker 2: wife has no jewels. But that's that's what you would
Speaker 2: look for.
Speaker 1: Okay. Hey, by the way, you know, completely unrelated, but
Speaker 1: where do you normally keep it in your house?
Speaker 2: In my living room?
Speaker 1: Okay, good I just want to know so I know
Speaker 1: exactly we're not to go because I don't plan on
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: But yes, I also have a separate book that would
Speaker 2: signed chapter by chapter by the same guys.
Speaker 1: Really. Oh, that's awesome. That's cool, especially with how the
Speaker 1: book reads for those who have not read it before,
Speaker 1: that's really neat. So, Bob, we will get to the
Speaker 1: callers and they have a lot of questions about the book,
Speaker 1: and several people, to your suggestion, bad show, give a
Speaker 1: shout out to him, him, shout out to him. He
Speaker 1: bought the audio version of the books, so he's been
Speaker 1: listening to it. And then we've had several by the
Speaker 1: physical book as they've been going through it. So we'll
Speaker 1: have some comments and things of that nature coming up there.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And Bob, let me ask you this because this conversation
Speaker 1: came up yesterday on the show We need a New
Speaker 1: York Jets Mount Rushmore from Bob Letterer, Oh, who are
Speaker 1: the four greatest New York Jets of all time? It
Speaker 1: became a very heated debate yesterday as people were debating
Speaker 1: different eras and different qualities for this Mount Rushmore. If
Speaker 1: you could only pick a Mount Rushmore of four for
Speaker 1: the greatest New York Jets of all time in your opinion,
Speaker 1: it would include who and let's explain each of your
Speaker 1: decisions here.
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe, so.
Speaker 1: Joe Namath obviously has to be on there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think Cleco just defensive lineman of all
Speaker 2: time for the Jets. Okay, Carl the running back?
Speaker 1: Huh no, no, go ahead, no, yeah, geez.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the running back they got for that? Uh
Speaker 2: that parcels stole from New England.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Curtis Martin, Curtis Martin, I'm sorry, of course, that's right.
Speaker 2: Then you got the fourth and you could go player,
Speaker 2: but credit being credit, I would give it.
Speaker 1: To web Okay, we've you bank. Okay, So here are
Speaker 1: the other guys, and Bob, you smack these if you
Speaker 1: don't think they're worthy or not or what have you.
Speaker 1: There are several several other names games that were a suggested.
Speaker 1: One that created some conversation was Darrelle Revis. Where do
Speaker 1: you stand on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he deserves it. He would be deserving of that.
Speaker 1: So he's in the conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And what about the legend Don Maynard?
Speaker 2: Yes, but less so than than Revis.
Speaker 1: Okay, du Choe, please explain why do you think.
Speaker 2: I don't know? I you know he played in an
Speaker 2: earlier era when well, I was about to say it
Speaker 2: was easier to be a wide receiver. It was actually
Speaker 2: tougher to be a wide receiver. They could they could
Speaker 2: bump and run you from the line of scrimmage, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't just five yards, and they could bump you
Speaker 2: down field as long as the pass what ball wasn't
Speaker 2: in the air. So Maynard was Maynard was. I would
Speaker 2: put Maynard on the old Jets team with probably the
Speaker 2: Wesley Walker and or George Sower as the wide receivers.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's he's certainly deserving of it. There's no
Speaker 2: doubt about it.
Speaker 1: All Right, let me throw another one at you. Winston Hill,
Speaker 1: who was recently inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: And I'm proud to say that one of the efforts,
Speaker 2: two of the efforts in my book were to get
Speaker 2: him and Larry Grantham into the Hall of Fame. And
Speaker 2: in fact, when Winston was elected, his eldest daughter contacted me.
Speaker 2: She's an opera singer. Wow, she contacted me and thanked
Speaker 2: me for my efforts to get him, you know, into
Speaker 2: the hall, because he was really the giant oversight.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but let's face offensive lineman don't get the credit.
Speaker 1: They don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, the greatest offensive lineman of all time in
Speaker 2: the NFL. You wouldn't put them up on the on
Speaker 2: Matt Rushmore. They would be full of quarterbacks, running backs,
Speaker 2: and wide receivers.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's uh, that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 1: hard truth. So okay, so you got Winston Hill in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, where are you at on getting
Speaker 1: Larry Grantham in there?
Speaker 2: With the senior contact I keep contacting the Pro football writers.
Speaker 2: All right, and I think Larry was on the initial
Speaker 2: old timers list last year.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's progress, you know.
Speaker 2: It's progress. I mean, I think it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing that everybody always says is what a
Speaker 2: what a is a Yiddish word, Chandra, what a shonda?
Speaker 2: That that Larry Grantham and a lot of other guys
Speaker 2: have already passed away.
Speaker 1: And number one pet Peeve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they ever get into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, their family will represent them.
Speaker 1: It's not the same.
Speaker 2: But that's that's just a shame.
Speaker 1: I'll shout out my radio show. I had a radio
Speaker 1: caller very early in my radio career, maybe ten eleven
Speaker 1: years ago. One of the gifts he gave me when
Speaker 1: he found out this crazy Jets fan was joined the
Speaker 1: radio show was an autographed photo of Larry Grantham framed
Speaker 1: and I have that in my office over there across
Speaker 1: across the room. It's a wonderful piece of history and
Speaker 1: a wonderful gesture.
Speaker 2: So I do have Larry and he and Pete Lammon's
Speaker 2: in particular. Yeah, we're great players from that team who
Speaker 2: I was in constant contact with after the book came
Speaker 2: out for years, and unfortunately Larry passed away I think
Speaker 2: in I think the Super Bowl year. I know he
Speaker 2: wasn't that pulled that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Not the reunion. I'm pretty sure he had died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, June seventeen, twenty seventeen, apparently is when he passed away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was really that's really a sad story too,
Speaker 2: because Larry never believed in making claims for CTE and
Speaker 2: Larry was basically diagnosed with CTE and it was too late.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get the U three the compensation that the
Speaker 2: NFL was giving him because they had passed an expiration date.
Speaker 2: And that's that was. That was really sad that that happened.
Speaker 2: But he but he actually whatever I know about playing defense,
Speaker 2: UH footballer in the NFL in particular, Larry Grantham taught me.
Speaker 2: We used to talk regularly on Monday morning about the
Speaker 2: day before and I would ask him what did you
Speaker 2: see yesterday that struck you and ask him specific things.
Speaker 2: And I think I said this last week. I'll repeat
Speaker 2: it real briefly, and that told me, when you see
Speaker 2: defensive backs who constantly are out of position, uh, it's
Speaker 2: because one they don't do their film study enough. Two
Speaker 2: they're stupid. They don't retain. They don't they don't retain
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they should retain, you know, in
Speaker 2: order to know what these guys do. And it's something
Speaker 2: related to it. I was reminded of the other day.
Speaker 2: Maynard always preferred to run against veteran cornerbacks because he
Speaker 2: knew exactly what they were going to try to do
Speaker 2: against him. You put a rookie, a talented rookie opposite him,
Speaker 2: and he had no idea what to expect. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so he preferred the veterans. He beat both of them. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're playing against the veterans.
Speaker 1: That's such a crazy story because I'm wearing a Bruce
Speaker 1: Lee T shirt right now and people know on the
Speaker 1: channel that I am a a on the edge of
Speaker 1: a fourth degree black belt in taekwondo, and one of
Speaker 1: the things I enjoy doing is sparring. And what you
Speaker 1: just said translates to the dojang. When you're facing a
Speaker 1: fellow black belt in a fight, you prefer them because
Speaker 1: you sort of they all know the ethics, the morals,
Speaker 1: the standards, everything. But when you get a white belt
Speaker 1: in there that may be incredibly talented, but they're sort
Speaker 1: of like a baby deer. They're sort of going all
Speaker 1: over the bus. You're not exactly it's a little you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little uneasy because you're not exactly sure what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do because you've never there's no experience in
Speaker 1: the in the doja before. So we talk about that
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: But who do you root for in the Karate Kid movies?
Speaker 1: That's a good point, Sweet the Light, Nady Cooper Kai, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, crush, that's a that's a real way to
Speaker 1: do it. So, yeah, that is funny that that translates
Speaker 1: to the football field in that way. Who else is
Speaker 1: in the so obviously I mean it's the title of
Speaker 1: the book, Beyond Broadway, Joe. Okay, that's obviously in the title.
Speaker 1: Who else Beyond Broadway? Joe? Do you believe that Jet
Speaker 1: fans don't give enough love to that should that deserves
Speaker 1: a spotlight from the Super Bowl team?
Speaker 2: Well, you know where, let's let's move a step down
Speaker 2: from Mount Rushmore. Sure, you know there were so many
Speaker 2: guys that year who had all Pro years. Jim Turner,
Speaker 2: the kicker, Yeah, set Afl which became NFL records for
Speaker 2: points in a season. I think it was one hundred.
Speaker 2: I'll look it up in his I was thinking about
Speaker 2: last night. I think it was one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: one points in a twelve game season, and the NFL
Speaker 2: record was broken. His record was broken years later, maybe
Speaker 2: ten years later, by guys who had fourteen game seasons.
Speaker 2: I think it was a kicker at Minnesota that that
Speaker 2: did it. Let me, this is not a good way
Speaker 2: to to do.
Speaker 1: That's all right, But.
Speaker 2: Where's this chapter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, if he could throw that one on the pile,
Speaker 1: that would be great, because we talked about it in
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an unbelievable season as a kicker. And
Speaker 2: the ironic thing is we've been brought him in as
Speaker 2: a free agent because the Jets kicker when we took
Speaker 2: over was a defensive lineman that really wasn't very good,
Speaker 2: but they didn't the old Titans didn't really have any choice,
Speaker 2: and so he brought Turner in in sixty four his
Speaker 2: second year. Week second year, took him literally, just called
Speaker 2: him up out of nowhere, had him fly out to
Speaker 2: the West coast, and had him do a tryout. And
Speaker 2: we've tried to sign him for the next season. This
Speaker 2: was in the middle of the sixty four season. He
Speaker 2: tried to sign him for the next season, and Jim
Speaker 2: refused because Jim said, I want to be a free agent.
Speaker 2: I might get a better offer. No, he was probably
Speaker 2: going to get a better offer. Was we was very
Speaker 2: well known for being very very cheap, and so he
Speaker 2: held out. He signed by the Jets for the next season. Okay,
Speaker 2: and he slowly made his mark. I mean, in those years,
Speaker 2: kickers who made sixty percent of their kickers were yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, conversion rate acceptance rate among fans is a lot
Speaker 1: different back then than what it is now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he would have been booed off
Speaker 2: the field. But but after he replaced Dick Goozman, who
Speaker 2: was the defensive lineman I mentioned before, and he came
Speaker 2: to camp, Jim Turner started, you know, a very good
Speaker 2: career with the Jets. But he was good inside of
Speaker 2: fifty yards, like he let me show you. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at some of these numbers. Between forty and forty nine,
Speaker 2: he was only thirty two percent, wow, and eighteen percent
Speaker 2: beyond fifty He so he was not he was not great.
Speaker 2: But but I think he's got a he should be
Speaker 2: in the hall in the the honor roll around the ballpark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the yeah, Ring of Honor, Yes, yes, the.
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor. Absolutely. And he got hurt in sixty
Speaker 2: seven training camp and he lost it to a guy
Speaker 2: named bouth Lustig who was had been the kicker with Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: But then Lustig got hurt. So Turner got back for
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season and let's see in in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, Yep, he hit on. He had thirty
Speaker 2: four field goals. He had a new klicker, Babe Perilli
Speaker 2: I mentioned it was acquired from the Boston Patriots during
Speaker 2: the off season. And he was not only a good,
Speaker 2: good backup quarterback, he was an outstanding holder.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: He had a skill level that nobody at that point did,
Speaker 2: and he made by Jim's own admission, he made Jim
Speaker 2: Turner into an All Star that year and the next
Speaker 2: year he was pretty good. But then when when Babe
Speaker 2: left nineteen seventy, Jim's kicking went down. As far as
Speaker 2: the Jets were concerned, they traded him to Denver and
Speaker 2: he is in the honor area in Denver for the
Speaker 2: records that he set there. So Jim Turner doesn't get enough.
Speaker 2: I mentioned last week that the whole defensive line, Philbin,
Speaker 2: Verlin Biggs and John Elliott, they each had over ten
Speaker 2: sacks that year. That was white the sack exchange, but
Speaker 2: they were better against the run than the sack exchange was.
Speaker 2: So they were combination really really good. Atkinson, the middle linebacker,
Speaker 2: Al Atkinson had a very good year that year. Jim Turner,
Speaker 2: Jim Turner, their strong safety boy made the All Star team.
Speaker 2: In fact, the week after the Super Bowl game mm HM,
Speaker 2: eleven of the Jets went to play for the AFL
Speaker 2: East in the All Star Game. And and that was
Speaker 2: and that it probably was a record, you know for
Speaker 2: that time. The other thing was their look, their defensive backs.
Speaker 2: Billy Baird was had been a free agent by Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Jim Hudson. Jim Hudson who was I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: strong safety was a free out of Texas who had
Speaker 2: actually played quarterback for Texas UH in the Cotton Bowl
Speaker 2: one year. Johnny Sample they had he was a veteran,
Speaker 2: but they had signed him as a free agent. And
Speaker 2: Randy Beverly who was the other corner, had all been
Speaker 2: a free agent. So I mean, that's some of the
Speaker 2: guys who really, you know, had terrific years. And on
Speaker 2: the Ovensive line, I could name all all of the
Speaker 2: guys because Winston Hill and Bob Tallamany and John and
Speaker 2: Dave Herman and Andy Rasmuss and were at the top
Speaker 2: of their game that year. And I mentioned in the
Speaker 2: book and I know I've said it here, Yes, Joe
Speaker 2: is almost it was almost an impregnable offensive line that
Speaker 2: it couldn't get You couldn't get past them. The Joe
Speaker 2: he would get hit only maybe for twelve sacks a year,
Speaker 2: and you know, twenty twenty five was the norm against
Speaker 2: Moost teams. The defenses back then were much rougher, the
Speaker 2: rules were much less restrictive as to what that's alignment
Speaker 2: could do. And so it's you know, quite a team.
Speaker 2: And of course George sour who was of course the
Speaker 2: you know start number three in the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 2: so I mean, I mean, it's almost nobody on that
Speaker 2: starting team that I couldn't really give a start to.
Speaker 2: And then you after, I have to say this, and
Speaker 2: that is the coaches. Yes, loom what Michaels, who was
Speaker 2: the defense coordinator, not in name, but in responsibility, just
Speaker 2: had built a defense that led the AFL in defense
Speaker 2: that year that you couldn't you really couldn't run against him,
Speaker 2: you know, in the in the championship game at Shay
Speaker 2: only accumulated like fifty five yards in a running attack
Speaker 2: on thirty something attempts. They just couldn't do anything to
Speaker 2: get the Jets running. And Solamonica Daryl Lamonica just threw
Speaker 2: on almost every down and he had a big day statistically,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't he couldn't get it done. So Michael
Speaker 2: deserves a lot of And Cleave Rush, who was the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. Yeah, and this is a great story too.
Speaker 1: Oh please.
Speaker 2: The end of that season, Burke Steelers needed a new
Speaker 2: coach and it came down to Cleve Rush, the offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator for the Jets, a guy named Chuck Noll who
Speaker 2: was the defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Cults. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: New England hired Cleve and Pittsburgh hired Chuck Noll.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wow, wow, Oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 2: Cleve was an obvious choice for either one of those teams.
Speaker 2: But the Jet players that I talked to all loved
Speaker 2: Cleve but said he was not head coaching material because
Speaker 2: he was way too sensitive and so he lasted in
Speaker 2: New England a year and a half, maybe it was
Speaker 2: two years. And Chuck Noll, whatever happened to Chuck Noll,
Speaker 2: Chuck and all.
Speaker 1: God, that name sounds awfully familiar. I'll have to hit
Speaker 1: that with a Google search to get back to you.
Speaker 2: Do a Google are on.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, because this was a
Speaker 1: question that came up yesterday. How does the talent of
Speaker 1: the how did the talent of the AFL compared to
Speaker 1: the NFL. Because that's why are some people when we're
Speaker 1: talking about this about rushmore conversation doctor guy like Don Maynard,
Speaker 1: because they said he wasn't consistently going against NFL talent
Speaker 1: and thus maybe some of the numbers could have been bloated.
Speaker 2: I'd say in the early years, the numbers probably were bloated.
Speaker 2: He was playing against NFL rejects in Canadian League players
Speaker 2: guys like Don Maynard, Blaine len Dawson, Dave Perrilly, George Blanda,
Speaker 2: I could name a whole bunch of others, mostly offensive
Speaker 2: players had not been given as good a shot in
Speaker 2: the NFL as as they may be deserved. I mean,
Speaker 2: Len Dawson is a classic example. He just didn't get
Speaker 2: that much of a chance with Pittsburgh. Blanda had kicked
Speaker 2: around in the NFL with the Bears and Detroit. I
Speaker 2: believe he was not young when he came to the AFL.
Speaker 2: Same with Parilli. Perilli was the number two draft choice
Speaker 2: in the NFL in nineteen fifty two by Green Bay,
Speaker 2: and he was on green Bay, he was on Cleveland,
Speaker 2: he was on Detroit. He had a second shot at
Speaker 2: Green Bay when Lombardi came in and Vince said, nice
Speaker 2: to meet you, goodbye. So Maynard Maynard came in and
Speaker 2: he had some big years with terrible quarterbacks that the
Speaker 2: Titans had, And it wasn't until Nameless showed up in
Speaker 2: sixty five that Maynard really had a professional But they
Speaker 2: were playing against mediocre talent I'd say into the sixty
Speaker 2: four season. But that's when the Jets opened their wallet
Speaker 2: and started putting out big money and that forced the
Speaker 2: other teams. Actually, San Diego had been doing that too.
Speaker 2: San Diego had a good talented roster of collegiate players
Speaker 2: that they had signed, and Kansas City did do because
Speaker 2: Lamar Hunter was an oil man, had money Galore, there
Speaker 2: was no problem there, but it was the rest of
Speaker 2: the league. And once the Jets started spending, a number
Speaker 2: of the other AFL teams started spending two and guys
Speaker 2: like Otis Taylor, who the Dallas Cowboys tried to hide
Speaker 2: in a hotel room I think in Dallas and the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Scotch just basically broke through the window. So
Speaker 2: these young talents started to get into the AFL. Famously,
Speaker 2: in my book, I said to Matt Snell, you know,
Speaker 2: your rookie year in sixty four, that was really your
Speaker 2: best year as a pro. And he said to me,
Speaker 2: look at the competition I was playing against. And in
Speaker 2: other words, what he was telling me was the competition
Speaker 2: got better and better and better every year, and it
Speaker 2: became harder, you know, for him to really go past
Speaker 2: what he was already achieving. But you know, it really
Speaker 2: was a matter of bringing in young players and letting
Speaker 2: them grow and be coached up. I mean, Dave Herman
Speaker 2: is a great example. He was drafted the same year
Speaker 2: as Snell by the Jets and the Giants, and Dave
Speaker 2: Herman decided to sign with the Jets. He immediately started
Speaker 2: and and Weeb, who was a master coach of offensive linemen, quarterbacks, kickers,
Speaker 2: offensive linemen. You know, it took him under you know,
Speaker 2: his wing Winston Hill cut by Baltimore at the end
Speaker 2: of the sixty three training camp. Yeah, and Don Shula
Speaker 2: was telling guys he was cutting, go up to New
Speaker 2: York and talk to Web. I think he needs some players.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow. So the talent started to get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2: And what Super Bowl three really showed the AFL had
Speaker 2: caught up as far as personnel, and Kansas City, you know,
Speaker 2: made a giant extra impression on that the next year
Speaker 2: because Kansas City was loaded with guys. Talk about guys
Speaker 2: who should be in the Hall of Fame. You could
Speaker 2: probably put a third of the guys who started for
Speaker 2: Kansas City in the Hall of Fame because they're they're
Speaker 2: just so memorable and they were so talented.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me anything about this player, because this
Speaker 1: player is coming up. Because Justin Fields gets added to
Speaker 1: the team and a lot of people go, well, let's
Speaker 1: look at the previous rushing records for quarterbacks, and in
Speaker 1: the modern era, Geno Smith gets brought up twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: at three and sixty six rushing yards. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's got to be more than that. So I keep
Speaker 1: digging in history, digging in history, and I come up
Speaker 1: on a guy named al Duo from the New York
Speaker 1: Titans days, and he had I think it's four fifty
Speaker 1: and change or something in a single season.
Speaker 2: Eldaro is one of those. I think he was held.
Speaker 2: He had had a chance in the NFL and I
Speaker 2: think in the Canadian League.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what can you tell me about him?
Speaker 2: You can see some old time film of al Daro
Speaker 2: on YouTube playing. He was He was a shifty quarterback.
Speaker 2: He wasn't big in athletic or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: he was shifty. You remember how you've probably seen film
Speaker 2: you weren't around friend Tarkington, a little guy, he's like
Speaker 2: five to eleven, maybe he was six feet and he'd
Speaker 2: drop out of the pocket and he'd go left and he'd.
Speaker 1: Go right, squirrely. Yeah, he's right.
Speaker 2: Dar wasn't do wasn't that talented, and he certainly didn't
Speaker 2: call plays for him to run with the ball. But
Speaker 2: there were instances that again you can see on film
Speaker 2: of him scrambling, you know, downfield.
Speaker 1: So was most of that scrambling not design quarterback runs.
Speaker 2: Not design.
Speaker 1: No there, Oh my gosh, that's incredible.
Speaker 2: No design. That shows you how bad the offensive line
Speaker 2: was apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But also the numbers to get to a four
Speaker 1: to sixty and change number based purely off of scrambles.
Speaker 1: I mean that's insane. Regardless of the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: or nineteen sixty that is wow.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll just dispute you there, because nineteen sixty,
Speaker 2: sixty one, sixty two, go back, go back and look
Speaker 2: at the rosters, which you can do. There's a roster page.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pro Football Reference, sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like there's a there's a draft page.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know the guys Titans drafted in the fall of
Speaker 2: sixty two, of which they offered none of them any money,
Speaker 2: and so we When he came in in sixty three,
Speaker 2: his shelf was bear of collegiates, had signed nobody, They
Speaker 2: didn't even get free agents. He was just working with
Speaker 2: Titans players and guys who had been cut, you know,
Speaker 2: by NFL teams.
Speaker 4: So you can see.
Speaker 2: I mean, Aldo for his time was pretty good. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think he probably played in an AFL All Star
Speaker 2: Game in one of those first couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the numbers are just super eyebrow raising, specially today.
Speaker 1: But again justin field.
Speaker 2: You you got some of that in front of you.
Speaker 2: What are his passing six long?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so al duo. Also, when we're going to
Speaker 1: the single season all time numbers, that's where you also
Speaker 1: see Dureaux here. So here are his total numbers. I
Speaker 1: have them all in fun of me.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: His best passing season was in nineteen sixty. That was
Speaker 1: the same year that he had the crazy rushing numbers.
Speaker 1: He had twenty seven hundred passing yards and twenty six
Speaker 1: passing touchdowns. Now he also had twenty six interceptions, which
Speaker 1: is not great. But when you look at the Jets
Speaker 1: single season all time passing touchdown leaders, we just did
Speaker 1: it the other day. Rive Fitzpatrick got thirty one. There's
Speaker 1: a viny Testaverdy season at twenty nine. DeRose is in
Speaker 1: there in the top five. Rogers just joined that group
Speaker 1: last year too. So yeah, So that's that nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: season of twenty sixdowns in Russia.
Speaker 2: Alway in nineteen sixty was Jameis Winston.
Speaker 1: No, there you go, that's exactly it. That's a great
Speaker 1: comp because that's what it appears to be, is you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, so he appeared to be pure
Speaker 1: gunslinger here when you look at this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and imagine imagine them playing in the Polo grounds
Speaker 2: right in front of fourteen thousand people. Now, yes, it
Speaker 2: was a sad It was a sad time. And Harry
Speaker 2: was who was the owner, who had been a sportscaster.
Speaker 2: So imagine, I don't know, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: a really bombastic current day football sports broadcaster, because that's
Speaker 2: what that's what Harry Wismer was. Harry Wismer came from
Speaker 2: the school, and there were others who would miscall a
Speaker 2: play on the field and basically make something up to
Speaker 2: make that Listen. I've done play by play, not a
Speaker 2: football but of basketballs not uncommon when you're watching a game,
Speaker 2: either from far away or a new team that you've
Speaker 2: never seen, and you get the roster ten minutes before
Speaker 2: the game, it's not uncommon to miscall the guy or
Speaker 2: to sure or to just not not say that so
Speaker 2: and so had the ball. And I put a lot
Speaker 2: of emphasis when I was doing play by play on
Speaker 2: I came from Marty Glickman and Marv Allous, which is
Speaker 2: to basically you mentioned you mentioned every player, and you
Speaker 2: have to have an appropriate verb for every pass that
Speaker 2: they make. I used to have a sheet of verbs
Speaker 2: that would tell me here's what I can say when
Speaker 2: when somebody makes a pass, a bounce pass, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: I love that, and it's you know, because to me,
Speaker 2: I wanted to really give a picture to a listener
Speaker 2: of what was going on. And you know when I
Speaker 2: listened to that to the broadcasters today, I find that
Speaker 2: wanting because they'll just say, oh, so and so it
Speaker 2: goes back to throw and he throws it, and so
Speaker 2: and so has it at the thirty two. Well what
Speaker 2: side of the field is he on? You know, what
Speaker 2: kind of a pass was it?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 2: Uh? You know to me that that's important if I'm listening,
Speaker 2: you know, to the game and trying to get a
Speaker 2: picture in my mind of what's going on.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, Bob, Well let's go to the fans.
Speaker 1: We will open up the phone lines here in just
Speaker 1: a second. But we got a comment in Bob or
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore has angered uh some fans in the comments.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: So we'll start here with Philly Noodle setting this in
Speaker 1: remember for a year, So happy anniversary, Philly noodles. He's saying,
Speaker 1: sending Bob a telegram here, no revis no mercy. He's
Speaker 1: the goat.
Speaker 2: He has to be so philly noodle. I want you
Speaker 2: to write back in and tell me who does he
Speaker 2: replace on the foursome that I mentioned.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: Probably he's gonna say, Web, But we brought up only
Speaker 2: the only championship we ever had, and and and he
Speaker 2: had won. He had won in Baltimore, the same way
Speaker 2: he built the Jets team. And in fact, they asked
Speaker 2: Web and this is one of the reasons I put
Speaker 2: him on there as well. They asked me after he retired,
Speaker 2: what was a tougher job going into Baltimore where they
Speaker 2: had no team and Unitis wasn't there, or going to
Speaker 2: the Jets with a brand new franchise, a brand new name,
Speaker 2: no college players, you know, bunch of Titans in NFL
Speaker 2: and Canadian League rejects. And he said the Jet job
Speaker 2: was tougher because he started with nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna say this, Bob, because there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of people doing these jet jet mount rushmore less
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. You're the only one
Speaker 1: that's put in Web and I'm not saying that in
Speaker 1: any other way, but to say I appreciate the creativity
Speaker 1: because coaches get overlooked in these all the time, and
Speaker 1: delivering a championship that seems pretty freaking.
Speaker 2: Important, and defensive players get overlooked a lot of the
Speaker 2: time as well as offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: Right, that's one hundred percent true. Philly Noodle's just coming
Speaker 1: back in to repeat the same message, shoes. Welly, you
Speaker 1: heard the call from Bob. You must just shake out somebody.
Speaker 8: Are you taking out?
Speaker 1: Philly?
Speaker 2: Who do you want to kick off?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I want to kick off?
Speaker 1: Yeah he picked kick off, Joe claim he did pick
Speaker 1: web you bank. There it is he picked a web
Speaker 1: you bank.
Speaker 2: Okay, well you spelled you bank. So you're out.
Speaker 1: You're out, buddy. All right, let's do this. I love it.
Speaker 1: Let's uh. Let's go to the phone lines, all right,
Speaker 1: and let's see how people play nice plots a potential book.
Speaker 1: Bet oh boy, this is gonna be interesting. The phone
Speaker 1: lunch are open next after.
Speaker 6: This, he can get football man.
Speaker 4: Hen't just football hug.
Speaker 6: Bob thirste this special Geez.
Speaker 9: Watches foot poo with my green Jay geezyeshes chest chest.
Speaker 1: Let's go, Bob. I told you on the phone that
Speaker 1: when you were on last time that a lot of
Speaker 1: people and we have several callers. I want to call
Speaker 1: in and tell you this to your face that seb
Speaker 1: People said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's this Bob guy?
Speaker 1: You got to have him back on the show. And
Speaker 1: I said, all right, I'll let's see what we can do.
Speaker 1: And someone said, can you have him on regularly? I said,
Speaker 1: all right, let me find him. And so we will
Speaker 1: have some of that here in just a moment. But
Speaker 1: we must start off with that book bet I told
Speaker 1: you about. Here is a fan that has a bet
Speaker 1: for you. Here we go, Scottie Mayhem's on the show.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Scotty Bob.
Speaker 10: First of all, I am so happy you're on the show.
Speaker 10: I was six years old when this super Bowl jets
Speaker 10: one want to know in the super Bowl, by the way,
Speaker 10: I one. By the way, I agree with Philly Noodles
Speaker 10: and it's e W. Just so we're all clear, ew
Speaker 10: emphasis on two. You Banks does not deserve to be
Speaker 10: on the Mountain brushmore.
Speaker 11: But we'll leave that for another day.
Speaker 10: I have not read your book yet, Bob, but I
Speaker 10: would like to make a bet with you. Okay, that's
Speaker 10: not because I don't want to read your book. My
Speaker 10: bet is you made two statements on the show which
Speaker 10: I disagree with, but you also acknowledge you're not an
Speaker 10: expert on the jets of today. Nobody will debate your
Speaker 10: expertise on the jets of yesteryear.
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty good about the players today. I
Speaker 2: just can't remember their names.
Speaker 10: I don't agree. I'm going to make two bets for you.
Speaker 10: The first one is I will buy ten of your books.
Speaker 10: One of my friends.
Speaker 2: Make it eleven hundred. I don't need to sell twelve
Speaker 2: hundred more to get royalty.
Speaker 10: I'll get you twenty. I'll get you to twenty. I
Speaker 10: will put up ten books, and another of my colleagues
Speaker 10: on the Jet Nation BG show will do ten, so
Speaker 10: he'll match my bet. I'll buy ten of your books,
Speaker 10: so it's another ten. If you want to do twenty,
Speaker 10: you buy ten of my books. And I don't know
Speaker 10: what the other FF wants to buy, but I have
Speaker 10: ten books for you to buy. Your books are about
Speaker 10: twenty dollars. My books are about twenty dollars, so I'll
Speaker 10: put up two hundred dollars. First bet, if the Jets
Speaker 10: win more than the Vegas line, you said the Jets
Speaker 10: would be lucky. I'm quoting you. You said the Jets
Speaker 10: would be lucky to win six games. The Jets are
Speaker 10: not going to win six games. They're going to win
Speaker 10: ten or eleven games this year. I'll tell you why afterwards.
Speaker 10: But first bet, if you're a sporting man, I'll go
Speaker 10: with your Vegas line. Would you like to bet on
Speaker 10: the Jets over under five and a half games?
Speaker 2: No, honestly, I'll make a gentleman's bet with you. I
Speaker 2: don't make bets bets. I'll tell you why. I learned
Speaker 2: a long time ago. I'm really good at that. In
Speaker 2: the opposite, so I tell you they won't.
Speaker 4: They will.
Speaker 10: I agree they're going to win, and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 10: you why.
Speaker 2: What if you want to I don't know how much
Speaker 2: I'm willing to go, but if you're willing to bet,
Speaker 2: they're gonna win ten or eleven.
Speaker 10: And oh oh, I see, So we'll go beyond the
Speaker 10: Vegas line. Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2: I family be if you ain't gonna win ten or
Speaker 2: eleven games.
Speaker 10: All right, So let's we've already we've already heard you
Speaker 10: won't do the Vegas line. I got it. So the
Speaker 10: lucky Jets will win more than five and a half games.
Speaker 10: So we're already agreeing that the Jets are going to
Speaker 10: win more because you're gonna be wrong on that. But
Speaker 10: this is the reason why.
Speaker 2: Why do you Let's let's stop there for a second,
Speaker 2: because you have the time to do this. Why why
Speaker 2: do you think that's gonna happen?
Speaker 10: Okay, so you're a historian, Bob, and I appreciate all
Speaker 10: the knowledge you're bringing from yesteryear. I love it. Actually,
Speaker 10: some of the stories you've shared, I didn't know, and
Speaker 10: I watched the game when I was a little kid.
Speaker 10: I you know, what did I know?
Speaker 2: A six year old? Do you remember? Because I was very.
Speaker 10: Very barely remember the game, but I watched it again
Speaker 10: at ten and eleven and they showed the game. So yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean, I fell in love with the Jets, and
Speaker 10: unlike any other team, this is the team that I
Speaker 10: would go to war for. I love this team. So
Speaker 10: it's been hard the last fifteen years. But let me
Speaker 10: tell you why they're going to be a playoff team
Speaker 10: this year. And it's based on everything that you've been
Speaker 10: doing for Jet Nation, which is sharing knowledge. Take a
Speaker 10: look at seven out of the eight teams that made
Speaker 10: the playoffs last year, Bob, they all had top offensive
Speaker 10: line off the top offensive line. The only team that
Speaker 10: didn't make the playoffs with the top offensive line is
Speaker 10: Carolina Okay, which there's many reasons why Carolina is trash,
Speaker 10: but they did have a top offensive line. Only team
Speaker 10: that didn't make the playoffs. The Jets have upgraded markedly
Speaker 10: on their coaching. They had the worst coaching staff in football,
Speaker 10: not even close. The same mistakes that were made the
Speaker 10: past three years were made last year with the stupid
Speaker 10: mental mistakes with the penalties and the coddling of players,
Speaker 10: and then they basically got rid of their head coach
Speaker 10: and everything went to hell in a handbasket. That is
Speaker 10: not happening under AG's watch. The Jets coaching and the
Speaker 10: Jets o line are going to be the reasons why
Speaker 10: the Jets win way more than six games. A lot
Speaker 10: of the people on this channel agree with you. They
Speaker 10: are going to be in for a very happy awakening.
Speaker 10: The Jets are gonna win often and ugly. So here's
Speaker 10: bet number two.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I gonna stop you there, what do you
Speaker 2: mean by ugly.
Speaker 10: They're gonna win games because of coaching, because of game management.
Speaker 10: They have a much better game manager. Justin Fields is
Speaker 10: light years better than Mark Sanchez. It's not close. They're
Speaker 10: gonna win on defense, and they're gonna win on running,
Speaker 10: and they're gonna win on one read offense. Justin Fields
Speaker 10: is not an elite processor, but he showed what he's
Speaker 10: capable of at Ohio State, and with the right coaching,
Speaker 10: they're gonna win games every single week. You will see
Speaker 10: it and then we can talk again. But here's my
Speaker 10: second bet. You said my quarterback is trash. That's basically
Speaker 10: what you said. So I will give you a second bet,
Speaker 10: and you can take a look at the same line,
Speaker 10: Vegas line twenty seven hundred yards. I'll go over, and
Speaker 10: I'll go over the twenty seven cumulative touchdowns. Second bet ten.
Speaker 1: Both of those real quick would be career highs.
Speaker 2: But not much of a career high. He had something
Speaker 2: like that with the Bears.
Speaker 10: He didn't Justin.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields is a very nice guy from everything I've read,
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you he holds onto the ball too long.
Speaker 2: He only looks at one receiver. He doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to how to go do the reads from the first
Speaker 2: a second to the third. In fact, that that was
Speaker 2: something I concluded watching it was a citrus ball as
Speaker 2: the Orange Bowl or whatever that he played in as
Speaker 2: a rook as a senior in college. Yeah, the guys.
Speaker 2: The guy can run like the run like the devil.
Speaker 2: And in fact, I think that one of the Jet
Speaker 2: things they want to teach him this year, because he's
Speaker 2: not good at processing, is to run more often to
Speaker 2: get out of there if the first guy is completely
Speaker 2: covered in his mind. Either throw a ball away, which
Speaker 2: you know every quarterback can be taught to do, or
Speaker 2: to run more often because he is very elusive. He's
Speaker 2: very fast. But typically what I saw here in Chicago
Speaker 2: for three years was a guy who's inaccurate with his throws.
Speaker 2: He plays as a thrower like it's the like it's
Speaker 2: the NC double A. He he's not going to find
Speaker 2: a receiver that's as wide open ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: time as he was accustomed to. And he had great
Speaker 2: receivers as we know. You know at Ohio State too.
Speaker 2: I listen, I wish, I obviously want the Jets to
Speaker 2: do as well as they can. I think he's a
Speaker 2: one year band aid. Maybe they'll keep him a second
Speaker 2: year as a backup if he's willing to do that.
Speaker 2: They got him for a two year deal. But you know,
Speaker 2: my hopest of hopes is that he has a decent
Speaker 2: year and they decide what the Bears decided, and that is,
Speaker 2: let's go get ourselves a young quarterback. Gup. We think
Speaker 2: we can we can mold into a better guy than this.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I disagree with you that he's
Speaker 2: better than Mark Sanchez was, Oh my god, and Sanchez
Speaker 2: is first two years. All say, women, All Sanchez had
Speaker 2: to do is something comparable to what they're asking fields
Speaker 2: to do this year, and that is don't make mistakes.
Speaker 10: And that's what's gonna happen, Bob. So you're going to
Speaker 10: see our new franchise quarterback who is going to run.
Speaker 10: It's gonna have over eight hundred yards. He's gonna have
Speaker 10: way over twenty seven touchdowns. They're not going to win
Speaker 10: the way most teams.
Speaker 2: How many how many interceptions?
Speaker 10: Do you think he's gonna a lot less than you
Speaker 10: were saying, Bob, Because look, I've already made the offer
Speaker 10: for the second bet. You say he's trash, He's not trash.
Speaker 10: He's going to be.
Speaker 2: You know, you you said the way I described him,
Speaker 2: it sounded you like he's trash. He's not trash, But
Speaker 2: you know, like, are you a baseball fan too?
Speaker 10: I am a baseball fan, Bob.
Speaker 2: In Major League Baseball, you have Triple A and you
Speaker 2: have the major leagues, but you also have some guys
Speaker 2: who described as four A players. They're better than Triple A,
Speaker 2: but they're not quite up to NFL, to the MLB,
Speaker 2: you know, caliber to be a really good, reliable player.
Speaker 10: Right, And everything you were talking about is Geno Smith
Speaker 10: and Sam Darnold. Who are the four A players that
Speaker 10: are now considered to be better than average quarterbacks? And
Speaker 10: you had a situation with justin fields where he had
Speaker 10: no offensive line, he had trash coaching, and he's improved
Speaker 10: every single year. Take a look at his statistics. There's
Speaker 10: no debate about that, Bob. Just take a look at
Speaker 10: what he's done each year. He's going to be better
Speaker 10: this year. He's not going to throw the number of
Speaker 10: interceptions you're alluding to. He's going to throw the ball away.
Speaker 10: And yes, he's going to run. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 10: If he runs for a thousand yards and he gets
Speaker 10: twelve touchdowns running. We're all great with that. What I'm
Speaker 10: saying to you is they're going to win often, and
Speaker 10: they're going to win ugly, and he's going to be
Speaker 10: a game manager this year. That doesn't mean that doesn't
Speaker 10: mean that he can't continue to grow and get better
Speaker 10: next year, and he will be with the Jets for
Speaker 10: two years.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was amazing.
Speaker 10: It was an amazing court. They got the best quarterback
Speaker 10: that they could get in the offseason for the Jets.
Speaker 10: There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: I agree. But winning what you just described, winning often
Speaker 2: and winning ugly is, as you are correctly saying, what
Speaker 2: teams that didn't make the playoffs by a long shot
Speaker 2: the year before inevitably experience when they do make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: And that's when you got a four or five win
Speaker 2: team that suddenly wins nine and gets into the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and and they don't win convincingly week by week, but
Speaker 2: they do just enough, you know, to to get some
Speaker 2: ws on the board.
Speaker 1: So, Bob, you know you mentioned that perhaps you know
Speaker 1: you don't want to do the five and a half
Speaker 1: on the on the Vegas line. What would be a
Speaker 1: number that you'd be comfortable with if there's a bet
Speaker 1: to be had here between you and Scottie.
Speaker 2: Well, again, I don't. I don't do bets, bets.
Speaker 1: Gentleman's bet right if you want to listen, if.
Speaker 2: You want to do a gentleman's bet, I would bet
Speaker 2: you they don't win more than six games.
Speaker 10: They're going to win more than six.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what gentleman's bet.
Speaker 10: If you don't put if you don't put anything on,
Speaker 10: it's not it's not worth it.
Speaker 4: You want to do one?
Speaker 1: Isn't that the same thing? Or is that a better word?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What is the gentleman's bet? You you clarify to me, Bob,
Speaker 1: what's the different one?
Speaker 2: It's just the one ball bet, dollars one book, and
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I don't do bets.
Speaker 10: Okay, great, how about for your Justin Fields take, Bob,
Speaker 10: would you like to put a gentleman's bet on that
Speaker 10: as well?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Great?
Speaker 1: Here here are the numbers, by the way, because Bob
Speaker 1: said this, so I want to clarify. So Justin Field's
Speaker 1: career numbers. He said that he's seen it in Chicago,
Speaker 1: the most total touchdowns Justin Fields has ever had in
Speaker 1: a season was twenty twenty two. He had twenty five
Speaker 1: total touchdowns.
Speaker 11: I said, twenty seven was this year.
Speaker 2: As far as yards go, Paul.
Speaker 1: I've got that one. That was not in the same
Speaker 1: years twenty twenty two. As a matter of fact, there
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty three at twenty five hundred yards that
Speaker 1: was the most passing yards.
Speaker 2: So that's not that's not that's not inconceivable. And he
Speaker 2: didn't have much of a wide receiver corps there.
Speaker 1: Yes, But what I would say, I'm giving credit, yeah,
Speaker 1: giving real quick giving credit to what Scotty's saying is
Speaker 1: both of those happening in the same year, is what
Speaker 1: Scott is saying, which that did not happen in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Both these are separate years. He's saying both of these
Speaker 1: will be eclipsed in the same season in which twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five hits.
Speaker 2: What what would also tell you is going to hold
Speaker 2: him back is and we had this argument with one
Speaker 2: of the other callers last week, they don't have a
Speaker 2: second world. They don't have a second wide receiver to
Speaker 2: basically take the defense off of. You know, the Jets
Speaker 2: really only good wide receiver and you can throw, you
Speaker 2: can talk about throwing the tight ends and and you know,
Speaker 2: unless you get the world's greatest tight end. I mean,
Speaker 2: they've got a third year player from Michigan who basically
Speaker 2: is you know, he's been a serviceable body, and he
Speaker 2: had a reputation at Michigan of making and making catches.
Speaker 2: And the kid they draft in the second round has.
Speaker 10: Taskeled Taylor and Jeremy rutckerd are gonna have bunny balls
Speaker 10: this year.
Speaker 2: Agree with you?
Speaker 10: I agree with you on the wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that you really do you really expect they're
Speaker 2: going to find somebody between.
Speaker 10: Now and the I wrote to as big will can
Speaker 10: allude to. I've already already written to Keenan Allen, who
Speaker 10: would be the perfect fit for us as a second
Speaker 10: wide receiver. I'm not on you don't like Keenan Allen.
Speaker 1: Oh and he was in Chicago, so actually, real quick,
Speaker 1: give us the Keenan Allen take. Yeah, you were in Chicago. Okay,
Speaker 1: what did you think of him?
Speaker 2: Not very much? Neither of the Bears. But good, I'm
Speaker 2: cutting you off.
Speaker 10: Good, Listen, Keenan Allen would be the listen. Garrett Wilson's
Speaker 10: the number one they don't need Dj Moore, which a
Speaker 10: lot of people want us to trade for. We don't
Speaker 10: need to number one.
Speaker 2: You won't get DJ Moore.
Speaker 10: And we don't. We don't want him because he's making
Speaker 10: twenty seven million dollars and Garrett Wilson's about to get paid.
Speaker 10: So we don't need DJ Moore. We need a Keenan Allen,
Speaker 10: you know, gray Beard, seven hundred to eight hundred yards.
Speaker 10: He's the perfect guy for us. I believe he's going
Speaker 10: to come to the Jets. I'm crossing my fingers that
Speaker 10: it's not Amari Cooper because Amari Cooper is shot. But look,
Speaker 10: even if they don't, they have a committee. They have
Speaker 10: Josh Reynolds, who's going to get thirty to forty you
Speaker 10: know receptions. They've got the guy from Green Bay who
Speaker 10: I hope they trade. They have a committee of wide
Speaker 10: receivers Tyler Johnson. Some are saying is going to do well.
Speaker 10: Their tight ends are going to be the number two
Speaker 10: wide receivers on this team. But Bob, look, I would
Speaker 10: do one book with you. That's twenty dollars. I'll buy
Speaker 10: your buck.
Speaker 2: I'll read your book again. That is very kind of you,
Speaker 2: and it's very It sounds like a very lucrative.
Speaker 10: Yeah, could you get twenty the way?
Speaker 2: By the way, I think I disagree with you. I
Speaker 2: think their running backs are going to be their second
Speaker 2: wide receiver.
Speaker 10: Prieste Hall is going to catch a lot of balls.
Speaker 2: I think to Allen has that talent as well.
Speaker 10: Yes, I think Brice. I know they're talking about a
Speaker 10: committee of running backs, but Breese was hurt last year.
Speaker 10: Nobody talked about it. He had a knee injury. Breese
Speaker 10: is a beast. He's going to show out. He's going
Speaker 10: to have well over fifteen hundred yards. You want to
Speaker 10: bet on that. No, I know you're not making any bets,
Speaker 10: but Breeze is going to have a monster year. Take
Speaker 10: them in the fantasy football early and Bob, I still
Speaker 10: love your content. You're amazing with your history. You're not
Speaker 10: very good with the current chats. I'm sorry sorry for
Speaker 10: that take, but you will learn this year that the
Speaker 10: coaching is the most important thing.
Speaker 2: Listen, Well, I agree with you totally because one of
Speaker 2: the keys to the Super Bowl Jets team was how
Speaker 2: much they coached up guys who were very good in college.
Speaker 2: But as you know, in college, you're playing against kids
Speaker 2: other guys. You go to the pros and you're suddenly
Speaker 2: playing against men with a lot of experience, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't come all that easily to ninety nine point nine
Speaker 2: percent of rookies who come into the league unless you're
Speaker 2: super duper talented, and that's a hard thing to find
Speaker 2: so or if you.
Speaker 10: Have super duper coaching, and the difference between what we
Speaker 10: had last year and what we have this If you
Speaker 10: just go over every single person that we have on
Speaker 10: our coaching staff, it's going to be a revelation. People
Speaker 10: don't realize how important coaching is. It's more so in
Speaker 10: football than in any sport throw out baseball, throw out basketball.
Speaker 10: Football is by far and away, the coaching staff makes
Speaker 10: the most impact of it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you the other thing that's very unique
Speaker 2: about football, and that is the dynamics of the guy
Speaker 2: that you play again, play a play with on your
Speaker 2: left and on your right if you're on the defensive
Speaker 2: line or offensive line. Because one of the things that
Speaker 2: Grantham taught me is that you have to know what
Speaker 2: everybody that you're playing with on the team is capable
Speaker 2: of doing and where their shortcomings are so that you
Speaker 2: can help to overcome those shortcomings. If you know the
Speaker 2: guy doesn't have good enough speed against somebody coming out
Speaker 2: of the backfield, that there are things you can do
Speaker 2: to slow them down, or to provide some additional coverage
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Or you know, you're more susceptible
Speaker 2: against the run because you're trying to, you know, brush
Speaker 2: the passer on every play, So you have to make
Speaker 2: adjustments to that. And football week is unique like that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Scotty. We have a lot of cars to
Speaker 1: get to, so you're going to keep moving along here.
Speaker 1: Up next is Bubbah blub Blah Badshaw here on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh he might be in a tunnel batchaw wait do
Speaker 1: we got you?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: You got me?
Speaker 5: You got me?
Speaker 1: I'm actually okay.
Speaker 4: How are you, Bob?
Speaker 2: I'm good, Good morning.
Speaker 4: How are you? Where are you?
Speaker 2: Where are you driving to and from?
Speaker 12: Well it's gonna sound a little weird, but I'm headed
Speaker 12: to Coopertown.
Speaker 2: Oh really, do you you work? You don't work at
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 12: No, no, I I work in Goobertown, Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, then I don't know when Cooper's town. You
Speaker 2: are a die hard in Arkansas. I want to hear
Speaker 2: what you got to say.
Speaker 12: Well, I was actually one of the people.
Speaker 4: Get you know.
Speaker 12: About Me and Paul are about the same age, So
Speaker 12: obviously I never got to see any Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brenan Brennan, one second you your call broke up there,
Speaker 1: so Bob didn't hear you. You said you were one
Speaker 1: of the ones, and then he cut out to just
Speaker 1: repeat yourself, go ahead, please.
Speaker 12: I was one of the one of the guys that
Speaker 12: reached out to Paul as soon as I watched the
Speaker 12: last video you were on, and I said, hey, we've
Speaker 12: got to get Bob. We got to get him back on.
Speaker 12: We've got to get him on more often. Me and
Speaker 12: Paul are about the same age. So I obviously never
Speaker 12: got to see anything of Super Bowl three.
Speaker 2: You know, you can go on YouTube and watch the
Speaker 2: whole game.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and I mean I've seen it. But I mean
Speaker 12: as for really getting to know the players and whatnot.
Speaker 12: And you know, nowadays I can get on Twitter, Facebook
Speaker 12: and I can I can find out, you know, what
Speaker 12: songs these players are listening to while they're walking up
Speaker 12: to training camp.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 12: I don't know that stuff about Don Maynard. I don't
Speaker 12: know that stuff you know about Winston Hill or Curly
Speaker 12: Johnson the kicker. I don't the punter, the kicker, the
Speaker 12: old line. So I really enjoyed because I was hoping
Speaker 12: you were gonna ask me, Brandon, did you buy my book?
Speaker 12: Because I've got your audio book and I've been listening
Speaker 12: to it.
Speaker 5: Oh what do you know what?
Speaker 2: He mispronounces only a couple of players' names. But what
Speaker 2: do you think of the audiobook?
Speaker 12: I thought it was really good. It was kind of
Speaker 12: interesting because when it came to the page, I guess
Speaker 12: there's a page where it's just the roster and.
Speaker 2: That he read that. Oh my god.
Speaker 12: So I sat there for like ten minutes and it's
Speaker 12: like alphabetical order.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like bye by the self cover copy. It's very
Speaker 2: cheap and you'll have a keepsake.
Speaker 12: Yes, I'll definitely do that. The reason the reason I
Speaker 12: went with the audio book is I listened a lot
Speaker 12: while I'm at work, so but you know, uh, there
Speaker 12: was a lot of interesting things, you know, that I've
Speaker 12: learned and I kind of forget about. I think you
Speaker 12: were talking about Curly Johnson being under a semi ball
Speaker 12: at one point when he was the Titans coach, and
Speaker 12: I thought that was kind of interesting, just in the
Speaker 12: fact that, you know, we all talk about semi ball being,
Speaker 12: you know, kind of the guy who I can't think
Speaker 12: of the word, but he just kind of like brought
Speaker 12: in the forward pass.
Speaker 1: He made it.
Speaker 4: He made it sexy.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. But he was a great but he was
Speaker 2: a great punter.
Speaker 12: Exactly, and he was also a great defensive back. But
Speaker 12: that being said, I thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 12: He probably learned he probably learned some stuff from Sammy
Speaker 12: and whatnot. But I was gonna ask you, I miss
Speaker 12: the very beginning of this show when you were saying,
Speaker 12: who was on your mount rushmore.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, we're getting a lot of pushback. But
Speaker 2: I have name of I have Joe Cleco, I have
Speaker 2: Curtis Martin, and I put Weed Bond there because they
Speaker 2: the only Super Bowl champion winner. And he literally he
Speaker 2: had the parcels attitude, let me do the boy of
Speaker 2: the let me let me do the bull in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: So you're not only drafted the guys made those decisions,
Speaker 2: but then he had a staff and with himself he
Speaker 2: coached them up. And what you'll hear or what see
Speaker 2: in the book is how pervasive his coaching was because
Speaker 2: he coached the kickers, he coached Joe, he coached the
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. I mean, he turned Winston Hill into what
Speaker 2: Winston Hill became, which which was a Hall of fame
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. So for that reason, I have him up there,
Speaker 2: and I understand Reeves and I could, you know, if
Speaker 2: I could remember all the names. I mean, I thought
Speaker 2: I was a big Freeman McNeil fan when I was
Speaker 2: when I first came here. And he and he was
Speaker 2: a great running back too, and and there were other guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, they had they had some really terrific offensive
Speaker 2: lineman who I really respected for their quality and for
Speaker 2: how long they lasted so and you know, hey, the
Speaker 2: whole the whole line you know, uh that they had
Speaker 2: with with with coleco and and everybody else was was
Speaker 2: awesome for two or three years. Actually, it's a fascinating
Speaker 2: ESPN documentary that I was just watching a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago about that offense, about that defensive line.
Speaker 1: Oh I saw that. Yeah, we had the director Ken Rogers,
Speaker 1: he joined us on the show.
Speaker 8: He was at a lot of.
Speaker 2: Things, a lot of things I had forgotten, including how
Speaker 2: short their tenure really was uh, you know, as a
Speaker 2: forceome but but they were great.
Speaker 12: Well, I thought that was interesting in your book with
Speaker 12: Winston Hell about how his dad called him and you know,
Speaker 12: he's like, yeah, you need to stay, you just you
Speaker 12: just say you just you just stay there. And then
Speaker 12: you know what he ended up becoming because of his
Speaker 12: you know, his dad told him to stay, you know,
Speaker 12: don't go home. You know, we'll get this figured out.
Speaker 12: And uh, you know that that's pretty insane as well.
Speaker 12: But anyway, so I've got to ask, because it's obviously
Speaker 12: the books Beyond Broadway, Joe, and you may have said
Speaker 12: this in the past, and I may have just missed it.
Speaker 12: I guess, do you believe Matt Snell should have gotten
Speaker 12: the MVP of that game? Or do you believe Joe
Speaker 12: did it enough?
Speaker 2: Or look, in those days, it was the quarterback who
Speaker 2: got all the glory. And so I wasn't shocked. But
Speaker 2: in retrospect, even the next day, the owner of Sonny Werblin,
Speaker 2: or the ex owner of Sonny Werblin, said it should
Speaker 2: have been co you know, co MVP with Joe and
Speaker 2: in fact, as a result, Sonny who had a promise,
Speaker 2: uh to to Matt not only about a lifetime job,
Speaker 2: but about you know, if he if they won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, that he'd get a car or whatever. He
Speaker 2: went out and bought him a really fancy sports car.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, and and boy, you know when
Speaker 2: you watch that Super Bowl game, which again I want
Speaker 2: to tell everybody is on YouTube, including the commercials.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I love seeing those old commercials there.
Speaker 2: It's interesting when when Matt Snell got the ball, Baltimore
Speaker 2: could not take him down. He really was like a
Speaker 2: wild bull. I mean, he took two or three guys
Speaker 2: and he kept going and going and go and not
Speaker 2: just being stopped and churning, but he was breaking tackles
Speaker 2: and going downfield and getting you know, twelve yards when
Speaker 2: he could have held him to six. I mean, just
Speaker 2: just an unbelievable job, you know that he did that day.
Speaker 2: And and you never heard anything from Matt about, well, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what about me? Why didn't I get the
Speaker 2: accolades and that sort of thing. It was all Joe
Speaker 2: and hey, I was sixteen years old that day, and
Speaker 2: Joe was the stir. That's that was the strawest stir
Speaker 2: to drink, and he was he was the guy He
Speaker 2: was the difference maker, There's no doubt about it. And
Speaker 2: he put the bull's eye on his back with his
Speaker 2: that the Jets were going to win the game, and
Speaker 2: Baltimore responded and tried to kill him. I couldn't get
Speaker 2: to him more than once in the game. So yeah,
Speaker 2: but Matt Snell, he was outstanding. And I told you
Speaker 2: guys last week, I spent fifteen hours talking to Matt
Speaker 2: and it was a revelation. He's a terrific guy, and
Speaker 2: I wish that there wasn't such animosity on his part
Speaker 2: and so much ignorance on the Jets part to make
Speaker 2: this go the way as I mentioned last week George
Speaker 2: Steinberner did with Yogi Barrow when Yogi basically said I'm
Speaker 2: done with the Yankees.
Speaker 1: Well, I just have to jump in here bad seean
Speaker 1: just say this that, Bob, now that you've agreed, you
Speaker 1: may want to go back on that after all the
Speaker 1: angry phone calls and things that may still be coming here,
Speaker 1: that you may want to go back on that word,
Speaker 1: But your agreement to join us weekly moving forward. I
Speaker 1: know me and batchall were talking about it off air,
Speaker 1: about the Matt Snell tapes and everything else. That you
Speaker 1: collected with the book. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: would be fascinated to hear some of those conversations, perhaps
Speaker 1: for the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, as I said I have, I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit like Bob Woodward in that I taped
Speaker 2: every conversation so that I could because I had someone
Speaker 2: transcribe it for me. I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 2: I got it all right. The only problem, the only
Speaker 2: problem with some of the audio is I'm so busy
Speaker 2: laughing at some of the stories that they're telling me
Speaker 2: that it may be it may ruin a little bit
Speaker 2: of of the sound quality. But I even got written
Speaker 2: approval from each of the players except one, to use
Speaker 2: those audio as I see fit. So I may. My
Speaker 2: wife keeps telling me you should put out an audio file.
Speaker 1: And so, oh my goodness. Yes.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 1: By the way, Bob, we have to know the follow
Speaker 1: up when you ask a journalist something like that, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got approval from every player but one. I am
Speaker 1: forced to ask, by the gods who the player was
Speaker 1: that didn't give you approval?
Speaker 2: Randy Rasmussem because his best friend was a lawyer. Ah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what that meant because
Speaker 2: I said, Randy, I'm not going to do something the
Speaker 2: faiious with this, of course, and he said, well, but
Speaker 2: I just I would want to know and want to
Speaker 2: give you approval as to, you know, what you were
Speaker 2: going to do with it. So you know, if I
Speaker 2: do what's been suggested, you think that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: So maybe I should should really take a serious look
Speaker 2: at it. But what am I going to do it
Speaker 2: for the sixtieth anniversary? When do I wait until the
Speaker 2: last one passes away then say and then say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've got all this great material that that went into
Speaker 2: the book, and you know it's to me, it's a treasure.
Speaker 2: And I'll and I'll say this, it's hard for it
Speaker 2: not to come across as taking a slap at Joe.
Speaker 2: But Joe's last book was really, in my mind, so
Speaker 2: questionable because.
Speaker 1: It's four quarters book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some one of my friends, the guy
Speaker 2: who provided me with all the gent memorabilion and review
Speaker 2: bank stuff and such. He went to Joe's press public
Speaker 2: session when he introduced the book, and he got me
Speaker 2: a copy and it's signed by Joe. It's the only
Speaker 2: signed copy from Joe of anything but yeah, but Joe
Speaker 2: just seems to have forgotten what happened in some of
Speaker 2: the things in that book. And I was amazed at that.
Speaker 2: I mean I have like, for instance, he tells the
Speaker 2: story about the night the morning after he predicted they
Speaker 2: were going to win the Super Bowl. Yes, everybody I
Speaker 2: talked to said that Joe came into the breakfast area
Speaker 2: and immediately got hounded by some of the players, some
Speaker 2: jokingly and some seriously. One of the guys said to him,
Speaker 2: what are you trying to do. We're trying to we're
Speaker 2: trying to lull these guys to slip, and you're waking
Speaker 2: them up headlines right, and we've came in He called them, Joseph, Joseph,
Speaker 2: what did you do last night? Because they all were
Speaker 2: reading the Miami Miamiyah. And in Joe's new book, he says, oh,
Speaker 2: that all happened on the playing field the next day,
Speaker 2: and he tells it quite differently. And I just looked
Speaker 2: and I said, what is this?
Speaker 4: What's going on? What?
Speaker 2: Why is he changing the story? And there were several
Speaker 2: other instances in his book. So I I really lost,
Speaker 2: you know, respect for Joe. But he doesn't he doesn't
Speaker 2: care about me and couldn't care less so anyway.
Speaker 1: But yes, for your audio. You know, I'll help you
Speaker 1: in any way that I can, because I think getting
Speaker 1: that out will give a boost to the book to
Speaker 1: make it, you know, reallive again.
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think of that idea? Bado?
Speaker 12: Yeah, oh I love that idea. Yeah, well we may
Speaker 12: and h have't been talking. We've been talking about it
Speaker 12: off air, So I would I would love. I would
Speaker 12: love for you'll get that together. Definitely be looking forward
Speaker 12: to that. And I think and I'm not and you know,
Speaker 12: it's not just me. I'm not the only one. There's
Speaker 12: plenty of other people in the group that want to
Speaker 12: hear all that.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 2: What makes me feel good is that because you are
Speaker 2: of that certain age that seems to have lost any
Speaker 2: real interest in that game because or in that team,
Speaker 2: because it was almost sixty years ago. And I think
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate because that's the legacy of the franchise. Of course,
Speaker 2: you know, whether the current ownership wants to accept that
Speaker 2: or buy it or not, and they seem not to.
Speaker 2: That's that's really what this what this history of this
Speaker 2: franchise is and they should be doing everything they can
Speaker 2: to basically clean up the mess because, as I said
Speaker 2: one of the last pages of the book, they have
Speaker 2: the worst record of any of the AFL teams that
Speaker 2: went into the NFL that year. I mean since the
Speaker 2: Merchant and that correct. That's that's horrible.
Speaker 1: So anyway, good. Yeah, but yes, we'll try to see
Speaker 1: if we can make that happen by because so many
Speaker 1: fans should be open to it. We could try to
Speaker 1: find a way to play some of that on the show.
Speaker 1: It would be great for all the fans to get
Speaker 1: a listen to it. Yes, so we'll work behind the scenes, Bob,
Speaker 1: and we'll help in any way that we can to
Speaker 1: make that a reality.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've got to I'll get off here. I know
Speaker 12: there's other people, but I do. I had two little,
Speaker 12: two little questions I wanted to ask, and I'll get
Speaker 12: off your answer them after I get off.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 12: One being I want to hear what y'all are doing
Speaker 12: for the Force to celebrate the Force tomorrow. And the
Speaker 12: second question, Bob, as for me and Paul, we've never
Speaker 12: experienced a Super Bowl win. Can you explain what you
Speaker 12: felt that day? You know, when you when when they
Speaker 12: wanted all you said you were sixteen years old. The
Speaker 12: closest thing, and Paul after that as probably New York
Speaker 12: beating New England and twenty eleven, that's the closest way up.
Speaker 12: So can you can you walk us through that amazing day?
Speaker 2: Well? Thank you?
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: I remember tingling as I was watching the game that
Speaker 2: day as they as they were winning. They were winning
Speaker 2: in the first quarter, they were winning in the second quarter,
Speaker 2: they extended their lead in the third quarter, they extended
Speaker 2: it again in the fourth quarter, and I just saying, Holy,
Speaker 2: you know what, They're going to win this game. This
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. Because as big a Jet fan as I was,
Speaker 2: I had my doubts about some of the players. And
Speaker 2: I thought I thought that Randy Beverly was was easy
Speaker 2: for the pickings. You know, he was the right cornerback
Speaker 2: and he had two interceptions that day, and Baltimore had
Speaker 2: been so impressive defensively that I just I had doubt
Speaker 2: that the offensive line could hold them off as often
Speaker 2: as they did. But as I said last week, we
Speaker 2: was praying for blitz's against names because name hath picked
Speaker 2: teams apart that blitzed him. And they had two weeks
Speaker 2: to watch film and The famous story is that Pete Lamon's,
Speaker 2: but there were others ms and Boozer was another one
Speaker 2: who said, turn off the film. You're making this over
Speaker 2: confident because we know we can score against this team,
Speaker 2: and in fact, we've came in the first time that
Speaker 2: he sat down, you know, with the film to go
Speaker 2: over it with the guys and said, hey, listen, Cleave
Speaker 2: and the rest of the coach have been watching this
Speaker 2: and if we can't throw against these guys, we should
Speaker 2: just hang it up. Yah. Lance Allworth, while I interviewed
Speaker 2: for the book, said to me, I think I think
Speaker 2: the Jets went into a shell. They I'm so busy
Speaker 2: trying to protect the lead and make sure they didn't
Speaker 2: make a mistake. He said. If it had been me,
Speaker 2: I would have gone to Joe if he was on
Speaker 2: my team. Owner said, Joe, let's bust this thing open. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's give it to him. So you know. The other
Speaker 2: famous story, Lenny Dawson was sitting in the stands and
Speaker 2: he was surrounded by NFL guys and as the game
Speaker 2: was going on, he kept looking at him and saying,
Speaker 2: so what do you think of the AFL now? And
Speaker 2: next year, of course he had his chance, and he
Speaker 2: did a great job. But as I was watching a
Speaker 2: game and becoming so and so more and more aware
Speaker 2: they were going to win. Yes, But it was the
Speaker 2: euphoria for the next week because, as I mentioned, I
Speaker 2: went back to school. I went to syvest In High
Speaker 2: School in Manhattan, and I had to travel in from
Speaker 2: Queens every day. It's not an hour and twenty five
Speaker 2: minute commute or whatever. And all my friends who I
Speaker 2: hung at with and we talked football all the time,
Speaker 2: they came up to me. They were all giant fans
Speaker 2: and hey, congratulations, your guys won and they deserve to win.
Speaker 2: Last yesterday they just outplayed the Colts. And you can
Speaker 2: imagine as a kid how great that feels, because today,
Speaker 2: if that happened, they would say, you just got You
Speaker 2: were lucky. I mean that's what the NFL owners said,
Speaker 2: you were lucky. If you paid ninety nine more times,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't win one of those games.
Speaker 1: Well, I just know what's going to happen before I
Speaker 1: kick the bucket. The Jets are going to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and that feeling is going to be insane.
Speaker 1: We have a ton of more callers, plenty more callers,
Speaker 1: so we'll continue the train to year up next, Johnny boy,
Speaker 1: who's been waiting patiently. Johnny, good morning, sir, and you're
Speaker 1: on mute just before you start.
Speaker 2: Mary, Mary, Johnny, good morning.
Speaker 4: How are you guys?
Speaker 2: We're good. I hope you are too.
Speaker 4: I'll doing really well.
Speaker 13: It's my Dogter's birthday today, her first birthday, birthday.
Speaker 2: What's your name of Addison? Addison?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 1: Yes, happy birthday.
Speaker 2: Happy, So Bob's I had a.
Speaker 13: Few questions and I kind of wanted to touch base
Speaker 13: on a little bit with Scotty, said, I love, I
Speaker 13: love a lot of a lot of the things that
Speaker 13: Scotty does say. But DJ Moore or Keenan Allen, I'm
Speaker 13: taking DJ Moore.
Speaker 2: Oh every day. They would never they'll never get DJ
Speaker 2: Moore from the Bears. You know, he's integral to their
Speaker 2: offense here, and they.
Speaker 1: Got a couple of receivers. Right Luther Burden Realma Dune said,
Speaker 1: they can afford to give up Dj Moore, Right, Bob.
Speaker 2: Luther Burden, from everything I read pre draft was so
Speaker 2: overrated that I was really surprised. I was wondering who
Speaker 2: was gonna draft him, and he just he just didn't
Speaker 2: do anything. His last year in college, so you know,
Speaker 2: maybe he's gonna turn out and maybe he'll be like
Speaker 2: Dan Marino and had a very very uh unexcited draft night.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, never know, But I love when you
Speaker 1: say that who is going to draft him? Bears? Apparently
Speaker 1: they're the ones that are gonna draft him. But go ahead, Johnny.
Speaker 13: Sobo So I had a question right in regards to
Speaker 13: Joe Namath and Dom Maynard, right because you've watched both
Speaker 13: of them play. Yeah, so I wanted to ask because
Speaker 13: I mean, I think what that offense was pretty high
Speaker 13: flying back back in those days. Put them in this era.
Speaker 13: Do you believe that Joe Namath would be successful in
Speaker 13: the sense in an offense or in the NFL that
Speaker 13: kind of protects now more of a quarterback and Don
Speaker 13: Maynard as well for wide receivers, do you think that
Speaker 13: they would be a lot better or worse? Because I
Speaker 13: know you did state Joe names issue was he wasn't
Speaker 13: really good being on target his target.
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't you know. It's a very complex answer,
Speaker 2: but it's an interesting answer I can give you. He
Speaker 2: had two bad knees, he couldn't move. I don't know
Speaker 2: how well, he would survive in the NFL today because
Speaker 2: I think the pass rush is stronger and faster.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: They don't. In those days. The Jets kept both of
Speaker 2: their running backs, Snell and Boozer and Bill Mathis. All
Speaker 2: three of them were really good blockers. And watch and
Speaker 2: watch just clips of the Super Bowl game or anything
Speaker 2: else you can see and look at all the running
Speaker 2: back blocking that Namath had every time he went back
Speaker 2: to throw anything more than a quick hitter. They don't
Speaker 2: do that anymore. They don't even have two running backs anymore,
Speaker 2: which I think is a big mistake, and they do
Speaker 2: it because they want to have a more wide open offense.
Speaker 2: But I think you can get running backs who are
Speaker 2: both effective, and I like what the Jets are trying
Speaker 2: to do now with speed and quickness in one back
Speaker 2: and power in Allen in another back. That to me,
Speaker 2: you know, is a kin It's not the same as
Speaker 2: Boozer and Snell, but but it's close. But even then,
Speaker 2: they're not going to use him at the same time
Speaker 2: most of the time, and I think I think they should.
Speaker 2: But Namath would be much more of a target now
Speaker 2: and he was a target then. But here's the big difference.
Speaker 2: Back then, there was an unwritten rule. You don't hit
Speaker 2: Joe below the waist because the league, the AFL, knew
Speaker 2: he was He was their their limitless credit card. He
Speaker 2: was the guy that was getting all the headlines and
Speaker 2: lifting the league publicity wise, and was a great player.
Speaker 2: And today, how many great players are there. It's not
Speaker 2: the same thing. There were no other great young quarterbacks
Speaker 2: in the American Football League and certainly nothing like Nameth
Speaker 2: even in the NFL back then. So it was a
Speaker 2: different time. And I'm not saying that Joe didn't get hurt.
Speaker 2: He did. He had busted ribs when he played Denver
Speaker 2: and Oakland famously, like Lasseter hit him and broke his jaw,
Speaker 2: but again above the waist, because they knew if they
Speaker 2: if they nailed him on either of his legs, that
Speaker 2: might be the end of his career. Yet when the
Speaker 2: that's it, like all this stuff is in the book.
Speaker 2: But when the Jets brought name It in for his
Speaker 2: first press conference, uh, the doctor for the team, the
Speaker 2: team physician, the Jets hadn't even looked at his knees yet,
Speaker 2: and they took the team physician took him into the
Speaker 2: men's room and sat him down and looked at his
Speaker 2: two knees, and he went back to web and Sonny
Speaker 2: Werblin said, you might want to get yourself a second
Speaker 2: quarterback because I don't know how long he's going to last.
Speaker 2: And name had name one more thing. Name it had
Speaker 2: had a number of operations as a jet quarterback, and
Speaker 2: he always bounced back. But you know, he just was
Speaker 2: a question mark every year because of the condition of
Speaker 2: his knees.
Speaker 4: So that's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 13: So with modern medicine and the way it is now
Speaker 13: and technology on how advanced it it is compared to
Speaker 13: what it was back then, you think that.
Speaker 2: Would have you know, that's a great you know what, Johnny,
Speaker 2: I give you a lot of credit. That's a great point.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean Boozer had experimental surgery on his knee and
Speaker 2: it was the first of many, uh you know, well
Speaker 2: executed operations for knee injuries like he had until that point.
Speaker 2: When you had a knee injury like that, you were done.
Speaker 2: In fact, Boozer was told get ready to go back
Speaker 2: and become a teacher Jesus.
Speaker 4: And what do you think about don You think don
Speaker 4: would have been able to talk.
Speaker 2: Mayd Maynard would thrive in any era, and now, especially
Speaker 2: because the rules are so much in favor of the
Speaker 2: wide receiver. You can hit him beyond five yards. Maynard
Speaker 2: had had sprinter speed back then, not not akin to
Speaker 2: what they do now. But he was a track and
Speaker 2: field guy, and he was fast, and he was elusive,
Speaker 2: and he was very thin, but he was tough as nails.
Speaker 2: He took a lot of hits and just came back,
Speaker 2: you know, ready, ready for the next pass.
Speaker 13: Pops always said that he looked like he was just
Speaker 13: gliding on air on how fast he was in his stripe.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Baltimore had, not not one guy
Speaker 2: the whole season against the Colts had gotten beyond their
Speaker 2: defensive backs, you know, on on a fly pattern because
Speaker 2: they had this so called impregnable you know, deep deep defense.
Speaker 2: And in the first quarter Namath Maynard had a bit
Speaker 2: of of a problem, you know, with his knee, and
Speaker 2: they kept it quiet, but but everybody knew that he
Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent, and he beat their defensive backs
Speaker 2: the first time he went deep. And that's why all
Speaker 2: the attention and all the defensive rotation went to him
Speaker 2: and that made George Sour wide open because he was
Speaker 2: going one on one against Lenny Lyles, and Lenny Lyles was,
Speaker 2: you know, the the Achilles heel in Baltimore's defensive backfield.
Speaker 13: Well, Bob, I appreciate that. Beg appreciate you guys on
Speaker 13: that wanted to come up here and ask that. I
Speaker 13: really do like that you do come on the show.
Speaker 13: I'm one of the guys on air that I love
Speaker 13: hearing the stories.
Speaker 2: Man By the book. It's you know, it's not expensive
Speaker 2: anymore because it's been out for five years, and you
Speaker 2: can buy the softcover edition, which I'd recommend that that's
Speaker 2: an easy and easy acquisition. And I know as a
Speaker 2: Jet fan, since you're interested, you will enjoy it, I
Speaker 2: said last week, and I think it's the case. Is
Speaker 2: one guy that bought the book that told me he
Speaker 2: had read every book that there was about that team,
Speaker 2: and every second or third page of the book he
Speaker 2: learned something new that he didn't know. Get to know
Speaker 2: these guys, because, as one other guy said to me,
Speaker 2: this is something that people are going to look back
Speaker 2: at fifteen one hundred years from now, and that's what
Speaker 2: he thought. This book's value is going to be. It
Speaker 2: is really the only look at everybody else on that team,
Speaker 2: although Namath has the second longest chapter in the book.
Speaker 13: Most definitely man Well, last thing, real quick. I wanted
Speaker 13: to say this because I know it's been going in
Speaker 13: the in the chat. The biggest thing for me with
Speaker 13: this upcoming season is it's just such an unknown. We
Speaker 13: don't know what Glenn is as a head coach. We
Speaker 13: don't know what Justin feels could potentially be. With Tanner
Speaker 13: Angstrang potentially being in a really good OC, we don't
Speaker 13: know what Tanner is.
Speaker 4: Breis Hall has a lot of stuff to prove.
Speaker 13: The defense has a lot to prove as well. They're
Speaker 13: hearing people saying that all it's the Jets again, you
Speaker 13: know the You're gonna see them more paper, It's another
Speaker 13: check mark.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things they have to prove.
Speaker 13: It's the only reason why I feel like I can
Speaker 13: be a little bit optimistic in regards of the season itself,
Speaker 13: because it's unknown, and I think they probably have to.
Speaker 13: We have to be patient because there's gonna be some
Speaker 13: growing pains.
Speaker 2: Well. And I read, yes, the second youngest team in
Speaker 2: the league.
Speaker 4: YEP.
Speaker 2: Just about every acquisition they've made and they've been all
Speaker 2: free agents are young guys, some of them they're all
Speaker 2: going to be coached and coached up. Some of them
Speaker 2: will blossom. But you know, I'll been, out of every ten,
Speaker 2: you'll have two that are really going to become players,
Speaker 2: and everybody else will fall to the side and be
Speaker 2: replaced by somebody else.
Speaker 13: But I think this team will be a lot more
Speaker 13: discipline than what they have been in the last I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree. I love the fact that he's a Parcels
Speaker 2: disciple because Parcels I just wish they could have retained
Speaker 2: his and they didn't. But anyway, Johnny, thank you. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate your but but by the book, you'll enjoy
Speaker 2: it sounds good, any guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. Another way, speaking of the book, let
Speaker 1: me throw it up here on the screen real quick.
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Speaker 2: Do you have any doubts at all. Read read the
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Speaker 1: One more. We forgot to get to that question from
Speaker 1: beat Job. What is your Fourth of July celebrations tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Bob?
Speaker 1: What do you got going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think my wife and I are just going
Speaker 2: to try to find someplace to hang out and do
Speaker 2: something different because I still work, and so tomorrow will
Speaker 2: be a welcome off day just to not work. And
Speaker 2: we may go to the movies this afternoon.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're looking at the Jurassic movie, but I'm seeing I've.
Speaker 1: Been looking at that too. Well, I'll tell you this, Bob,
Speaker 1: I always feel this way. So you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: that it all comes full circle when I hear a
Speaker 1: review for something I haven't a movie. We'll just use
Speaker 1: that as an example. If someone gives me a view
Speaker 1: of a movie I haven't seen you and they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's sort of questionable. I tell
Speaker 1: that person I make my own decisions, buddy boy, so
Speaker 1: pack your review. I'm gonna I'm gonna read a book
Speaker 1: and make my own opinion. I'm gonna watch a movie
Speaker 1: and do it. So, Bob, if you want to see
Speaker 1: that Jurassic Park movie with the very talented and beautiful
Speaker 1: Scarlet Johansson, then damn it, you go see that movie,
Speaker 1: Bob letter. As far as I'm concerned, let's go.
Speaker 2: We'll go to the early show to get the cheapest
Speaker 2: price we can.
Speaker 1: There, you go, matten a baby, love it all right,
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phone lines. Frank A k A.
Speaker 1: For Lily, I gotta get that out of my head
Speaker 1: because that's that's that's gonna be a hard transition. But
Speaker 1: for Lily, what's going on? Brother?
Speaker 2: Hey? For really, don't hit me. You look like you're
Speaker 2: too big for me.
Speaker 4: It just arrived last night.
Speaker 2: Actually okay, well I seriously you can. Yes, here's my
Speaker 2: email address. It's our fl Bob at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: You send me, you send me just little notes as
Speaker 2: you get through it and say, wow, I love the
Speaker 2: chapter on web or I love the chapter on Yeah.
Speaker 2: I literally I just got it. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: How much would you have to pay for that vintage copy.
Speaker 7: I don't know, twenty bucks. Maybe I don't even know
Speaker 7: what it wasn't that about? It was on Amazon, don't
Speaker 7: even remember.
Speaker 2: It wasn't good.
Speaker 4: It wasn't enough for me to care.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much. Where do you have
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of.
Speaker 4: Jet But I was only four.
Speaker 7: In January sixty nine, so I don't remember the game.
Speaker 7: I watched it twenty million times. Where your fam was?
Speaker 2: Your family? Yeah?
Speaker 7: My brother was a huge My brother's eight years older
Speaker 7: than me. He was a huge Jets fan, huge Joe
Speaker 7: Namath fan.
Speaker 2: Where is his copy? Good question?
Speaker 4: Where are you?
Speaker 2: I'll have to let him out him? Where are you
Speaker 2: calling Trump? Where do you live? I live in Dallas
Speaker 2: right now, but I grew up in New Jersey. Wow? Okay, good?
Speaker 11: How about the cowboys?
Speaker 6: What was that?
Speaker 2: How about them cowboys that?
Speaker 7: You know what the best part about the being here
Speaker 7: in Dallas is when Stephen A. Smith, you know, you
Speaker 7: know Stephen I. Smith is obviously the next day he
Speaker 7: goes and abuses them because they lost some stupid game
Speaker 7: or how they lost. It's it's phenomenal because all my
Speaker 7: friends here, they're all Dallas cowboys do.
Speaker 2: You think they're gonna be any good this year.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they're gonna win nine, nine, ten games
Speaker 7: between eight and nine and we're in that range, which
Speaker 7: I think, Actually, I think that Jeffs are gonna be
Speaker 7: in the same, not ten. I said this before, Paul,
Speaker 7: You've heard me say this before.
Speaker 4: I said it.
Speaker 7: After twelve games, Jets are gonna be six and six.
Speaker 7: That's gonna come down to the last five games. I
Speaker 7: think they're gonna win eight or nine games. And I
Speaker 7: think they're gonna do it the way Bob you said
Speaker 7: they were gonna do it. You don't need a second
Speaker 7: they don't need a second wide receiver.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be throwing. I didn't say. I told I
Speaker 2: completely disagree with that. They do need a second wife.
Speaker 1: My mob wants a second risk.
Speaker 2: Use their running backs. Is their second wide receiver. They
Speaker 2: you gotta have. You got to stop the double team
Speaker 2: on your best wide receiver. They're gonna double team him
Speaker 2: on every play.
Speaker 7: And I and I think that, I personally think they're
Speaker 7: gonna they're gonna be able to get the ball out
Speaker 7: to the breast and and I think Justin Field is
Speaker 7: gonna run a lot I do believe he's gonna break.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, And I think I think he's gonna
Speaker 2: run a lot, and they're gonna tell him if if
Speaker 2: the guy is if the first receiver isn't open. He's
Speaker 2: not good at looking at the second of the.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 2: And you know, now obviously he could get really badly hurt.
Speaker 2: But you got to catch him. As Ali used to say,
Speaker 2: you got to catch me first. And what questions do
Speaker 2: you have?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 2: I just so you're you obviously saw the game. You
Speaker 2: you know, wrote about it well.
Speaker 7: And by the way, your your mount rush were Paul,
Speaker 7: I agreed, I put we've on that, but I didn't
Speaker 7: know who to take off. I'll be honest that you
Speaker 7: can go back to the comments Paul from a couple
Speaker 7: of days ago. I put weve on that, but I
Speaker 7: actually had no idea to take off. But I'm all
Speaker 7: about winning, So I think it has to be people
Speaker 7: from that Eric, because it's all about the winning. But
Speaker 7: my question for you is, like you were you were
Speaker 7: obviously you were sixteen.
Speaker 4: He sent what was.
Speaker 2: Like, what was the most fascinating thing you've like? What
Speaker 2: we think the most important part of that game was?
Speaker 4: In your opinion.
Speaker 2: And you may have said it in the book, but
Speaker 2: I'll tell you no.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I mentioned the turning point last week. The turning point
Speaker 2: was in the first quarter when the Jets realized that
Speaker 2: Boldemort was running their offense and the Colts didn't realize it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was interesting. Yeah, And I thought that was the
Speaker 2: biggest ahai in the book. And I tried to get
Speaker 2: on all kinds of media just to talk about that,
Speaker 2: because nobody has ever mentioned that. And John Schmidt is
Speaker 2: the one who told me about it, and he was
Speaker 2: the center uh and and it's just it's amazing that
Speaker 2: that could have been the case. But it's a it's
Speaker 2: an absolute remarkable thing. So that was the turning point
Speaker 2: in the first quarter when Weeb called Cleve Rush over
Speaker 2: and they listened to to uh A moral calling plays.
Speaker 2: And then they called Joe over and Schmidt and said, look, listen,
Speaker 2: listen to the play calls, and they they could predict
Speaker 2: what where the ball was going. And so they told
Speaker 2: Joe go out there and let's mix it up. Let
Speaker 2: they'll they'll be expecting us to go in this direction.
Speaker 2: Immediately when they start to move you you're audible, and
Speaker 2: you change it immediately. In like three seconds get any
Speaker 2: other would go the other way. And the cole players
Speaker 2: I talked to, some of them just wouldn't admit that
Speaker 2: the Jets at one farre and square. But they all
Speaker 2: said to me they couldn't figure out why they were
Speaker 2: always a step or two behind on every play. And
Speaker 2: even the most professional best athletes of all time, when
Speaker 2: you get them going in the wrong direction, it's hard
Speaker 2: for them to stop and and and not be taking
Speaker 2: advantage of it when the ball goes in the other direction.
Speaker 2: So that that that was that. And and in the
Speaker 2: third quarter, Boltemore's first play from scrimmage, Tom Maddy goes down,
Speaker 2: goes up the middle, gets four or five yards, and
Speaker 2: Roland Biggs hits him. The ball pops loose, and Ralph
Speaker 2: Baker picks it up and the Jets down deep. What
Speaker 2: three or four turnovers in that game?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: They beverly had two interceptions, uh, sample had an interception
Speaker 2: and then interceptions uh And and there was the one
Speaker 2: bubble recovery.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then in the fourth quarter. And I don't think
Speaker 2: they threw the ball in the fourth quarter, not one throw.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And that was the big thing. I mean, I think
Speaker 7: you're year somebody said it was a year. Someone said, well,
Speaker 7: they wanted to open up the offense, but I'm like,
Speaker 7: I think they would have lost opened up.
Speaker 2: The offense wanted. He was sitting in the stands too,
Speaker 2: and he said, damn, let's let's blow these guys off
Speaker 2: the field. Because he could see from high above, you
Speaker 2: know that the wide receivers could get open, and he
Speaker 2: saw what the running backs were doing, even taking swing passes.
Speaker 4: Out of the backfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, always wide opening and Maynard. Maynard
Speaker 2: didn't make a single catch that day. It might have
Speaker 2: been one of the best games he ever played because
Speaker 2: he was the greatest decoy.
Speaker 4: At this hour.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that far, I do remember from watching the YouTube's
Speaker 7: I have. So I have another comment regarding the Matt's
Speaker 7: and Matt Snell thaying, you know you mentioned George Steinbrenner
Speaker 7: and Yogi Bear and the way that got connected. I
Speaker 7: don't know if you know the story Susan Waldman, who
Speaker 7: worked for Yes and Who's A Who's A. Yeah, she
Speaker 7: actually went to George and said, look, you gotta change,
Speaker 7: you gotta fix this. Do you know anybody who could
Speaker 7: actually do that with Woody or with someone in a jetment,
Speaker 7: possibly yourself or anybody. I don't realize that I didn't
Speaker 7: even notice about match now, by the way, I had
Speaker 7: no idea if that was going on.
Speaker 4: Told well, like.
Speaker 2: I said, the Post and the Deli News have been
Speaker 2: sending people there to his home in Newark like it's
Speaker 2: Newark for years and years and years. It finally stopped
Speaker 2: after the fiftieth anniversary. But he just ignored them and
Speaker 2: closed the door. And he wouldn't even talk to him
Speaker 2: about it. And he was I was the first guy
Speaker 2: that he told. I told the Jets when when I
Speaker 2: was escorted into the Jets offices to one of their
Speaker 2: vps by the guy who helped me with all the
Speaker 2: WEAED memorabilia. He's he's a very rich guy, has four
Speaker 2: season tickets, each of them five hundred bucks a game
Speaker 2: a game for season tickets. And he escorted me and
Speaker 2: we talked about the book, and uh, the sub came
Speaker 2: up about what are you going to do for the
Speaker 2: fiftieth aniverse? Oh, we got big plans and whatever. And
Speaker 2: I said, what are you doing about Matt Snell? Oh
Speaker 2: we got big plans too. I said, well, I don't
Speaker 2: need you to tell me everything, but you know how
Speaker 2: mad Matt Snell is at you. Oh yeah, we know
Speaker 2: there's animosity, but we think we can take care of it.
Speaker 2: I said, listen, I'm here, and I'd be very happy
Speaker 2: to serve as a liaison in some way or to
Speaker 2: help you because I can talk to Matt. He won't
Speaker 2: talk to you right now, and I can see what.
Speaker 2: In fact, when I met Matt the only time in person,
Speaker 2: he met me in Manhattan, and I took him and
Speaker 2: his buddy out to dinner, and part of the evening
Speaker 2: really was for me to find out from Matt what
Speaker 2: is it going to take for you to make amends
Speaker 2: with the Jets. And I left that evening knowing what
Speaker 2: He might be open to it, but he was ninety
Speaker 2: percent not there. He really wasn't interested. And his his buddy,
Speaker 2: you know, basically said that to me as well, that boy,
Speaker 2: it's really going to take something to turn Matt around
Speaker 2: because he's got a lot of anger for a lot
Speaker 2: of years. And I said, yeah, I know, it's it's
Speaker 2: hard to get over. So I offered it to the
Speaker 2: Jets and they basically said, don't don't need any help.
Speaker 2: We got it all figured out. And and I also
Speaker 2: said last week that at the fiftieth anniversary celebration in
Speaker 2: the hotel, at least before the before the game. This
Speaker 2: is on Saturday. The game was on Sunday. The VP
Speaker 2: that I talked to came over to me. You know,
Speaker 2: I got Matt's uniform in the in my car on
Speaker 2: the in the trunk just in case he shows up,
Speaker 2: and said he's not showing up. You haven't done what
Speaker 2: you needed to do. Well, you know, we'll still love
Speaker 2: a great I said, you'll have a great thing tomorrow,
Speaker 2: but Matt Snell needs to be there. And I got
Speaker 2: to tell you I'm you know, I'm really sad for
Speaker 2: you and Test that you guys couldn't make this work
Speaker 2: because this was the time to make it work. And
Speaker 2: he I told Matt, you deserve to come out down
Speaker 2: the field and get the standing ovation from seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand people that you have long deserved. And you know
Speaker 2: I feel that to this day. But it's I don't
Speaker 2: think it's ever going to happen. And I could call
Speaker 2: Woody's office, you know, from now until hell Freeze is over,
Speaker 2: and he's not going to come to the phone to
Speaker 2: listen to me. Do you think it's more the Jets
Speaker 2: right now, or is it more Matt? It's the Jets.
Speaker 2: It's the Jets because they think, basically, they think. What
Speaker 2: they said to me was, oh, yeah, Matt'll walk in
Speaker 2: here and we'll we'll talk him through this. And I said,
Speaker 2: Matt's never walking in through this front door. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to go to him. Yeah, and oh well, okay,
Speaker 2: well you know, we'll we'll send people there and they'll
Speaker 2: go run up to his apartment. I said, that's not
Speaker 2: it either. You've got to lay the groundwork. He's not
Speaker 2: just going to stand there and wait for you to
Speaker 2: drive up. You have, you have, you have to make
Speaker 2: amends with this guy. This guy Fields, he's been screwed
Speaker 2: and he's now whatever. He was probably seventy years old.
Speaker 2: Then how old is he now, Paul? Is he like
Speaker 2: eighty something?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I got that, And I said, this has been brewing
Speaker 2: for over eighty three.
Speaker 4: He's three.
Speaker 2: He's been brewing for like fifty years. Because he retired
Speaker 2: relatively early. He played sixty four till seventy three. I
Speaker 2: think maybe with seventy two, so it's a long time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he played till seventy two. He retired at
Speaker 1: the age of thirty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't.
Speaker 4: They didn't.
Speaker 2: They refuse to help him, you know, get a job
Speaker 2: outside the organization, outside football. We don't, they told him.
Speaker 2: We don't give references even to our ex players.
Speaker 4: What it's amazing.
Speaker 7: It's an amazing story, which I never knew it.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, and I had a hard time
Speaker 2: getting people to talk to me about the book on
Speaker 2: you know, on radio or whatever. And one of the
Speaker 2: guys I tried to talk to you said, I'm not
Speaker 2: interested in talking to you. Get me mad to talk
Speaker 2: to me. And I begged Matt to help me with
Speaker 2: the book, and Matt said, Bob, I've done all I
Speaker 2: can to help you, and I'm really not interested in
Speaker 2: helping promote the Jets because that's what I think I'd
Speaker 2: be doing, promoting the Jets.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Thanks for the call, Brot. There you go,
Speaker 1: four callers coming, Philly Noodles, You're up next.
Speaker 4: What's going on? Bob? Here we go? All right, So, Bob,
Speaker 4: I respect your take. Yes, weave you bank. I'm sorry
Speaker 4: I'm putting in the demand in the context like this.
Speaker 4: I know it sounds mean, but you Bank, Ye, I
Speaker 4: have to do it. Revers has got to go there,
Speaker 4: and it's no. And I understand the bias to the
Speaker 4: super Bowl. The respect of the super Bowl has to
Speaker 4: be there, and I get it, but you already have
Speaker 4: that in representatives with Maynard and name can't.
Speaker 2: I didn't put Maynard on there. I put Joe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's what I'm saying. I feel like you got
Speaker 4: to put Maynard, Nameth, Martin Reaves. You gotta have representatives
Speaker 4: of yesterday and near the past. You can't. We can't
Speaker 4: say on an all time team. So I can do
Speaker 4: that with the Lakers and just be like, well it's
Speaker 4: Elgin Baylor. I could just pick all the old time
Speaker 4: guys that were great that one then and excuse Kobe
Speaker 4: and Shock, like you can do that all day with
Speaker 4: all these type of teams. You just can't do that.
Speaker 4: If you're saying all time, it means the span of time.
Speaker 4: It's time. It's not all team, it's not all super
Speaker 4: Bowl win, it's all time. So time is relevant to everything,
Speaker 4: not just the past. So you gotta bring in future.
Speaker 4: You gotta says, is like top five cornerbacks of all times.
Speaker 2: We're adding a fifth bust to to Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 4: Oh you can add a six. Can you imagine all
Speaker 4: the other teams like the forty nine ers, the Steelers,
Speaker 4: like you can add a bus that's bigger than the.
Speaker 2: How many super Bowls do they want?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I and I was gonna preface. Besides, so
Speaker 4: I came up in my mind. I'm like, well, I
Speaker 4: could preface. Okay, I can go with Bob's take and say, Bob,
Speaker 4: let's go against all the one win super Bowl teams
Speaker 4: and let's go with their mount rushmore. Would they include
Speaker 4: every one of their coaches? Maybe right, like the Saints
Speaker 4: might have to put Sean Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I get that, but those but those coaches didn't
Speaker 2: build a team. We built a team. That's the only
Speaker 2: reason I actually put him up there is that he
Speaker 2: bought the groceries and then he cooked the groceries.
Speaker 4: And it's a good take. It's a New Yorkers take.
Speaker 2: One of the great things about my book, if you
Speaker 2: haven't read it, is there are anecdotes from we We've
Speaker 2: used to do annual written analyzes of each of his players,
Speaker 2: and I had access to that, and so I saw
Speaker 2: a year to year what he wrote about Joe and
Speaker 2: what he wrote about Philip and what he wrote about
Speaker 2: Matt Snell and that sort of thing, and it shows
Speaker 2: you the development that they made and and that to
Speaker 2: me was very telling. And and you know who I mean,
Speaker 2: there probably is a coaching general manager today. I forget.
Speaker 2: But it's a it's a vanishing breed.
Speaker 4: I hear your take. That's it's a good take without
Speaker 4: a doubt. So it is to say, like, yeah, let's
Speaker 4: put that to Bill.
Speaker 2: What else you got?
Speaker 4: I was gonna bring that And I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: so I think what the take I took there was
Speaker 4: good with you? So oh yeah. So now with the wins,
Speaker 4: I'm not Goda. Scotty is my hero. Like Scotty is
Speaker 4: the iverinnerjet fan that we have where he's like, I'll
Speaker 4: bet everybody fust the board, we're gonna go to the
Speaker 4: super Bowl, like you know what I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: but in actuality, I look at the schedule and I
Speaker 4: can't help but say, six wins seems almost but easy,
Speaker 4: And it's really how many times do you split? Do
Speaker 4: you split all three series which you're AFC East folks,
Speaker 4: Let's say we went out against the Dolphins or we
Speaker 4: should win out against the Patriots. That's four wins right there.
Speaker 4: So I'm not even so.
Speaker 2: We're gonna I don't think we're gonna win out against
Speaker 2: the Patriots.
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. If you logically just split,
Speaker 4: give yourself a win with the Panthers, you give yourself
Speaker 4: a win with the Browns. We give ourselves a win
Speaker 4: with the Steelers, which is definitely manageable, and we basically
Speaker 4: beat the Broncos, but we lost the kicking aspect. You
Speaker 4: have yourself there six wins easily. So to me, it's like,
Speaker 4: do we are we in fear of the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2: I'm not, Well, you know what, you you just made
Speaker 2: a great point that hasn't come up today about how
Speaker 2: many wins they can get. Yeah, do you have any
Speaker 2: confidence in their kicking game?
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm so, let's see if the thinker.
Speaker 2: I think one of them will probably I don't know
Speaker 2: which one, but one of them will probably be okay.
Speaker 2: But kicking, kicking is an art. Kicking is not you know,
Speaker 2: and and in fact, Paul, you probably know who I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, But there was this unbelievable punter from three
Speaker 2: years ago that Buffalo drafted out of San Diego State. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who basically got in trouble that they had rape charges
Speaker 2: against him which apparently were dropped or they were not
Speaker 2: guilty or whatever. And that guy, you know, is still
Speaker 2: out there and I don't know, you know.
Speaker 4: What his He's been picked up, I believe, Actually, yeah,
Speaker 4: I believe. So I would have to double check, but
Speaker 4: I think he did get picked up.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but I mean I was when
Speaker 2: I heard about him coming out of college. He said, Jeevez,
Speaker 2: come on, you can draft him the sixth round. What
Speaker 2: are you going to lose by drafting him in the
Speaker 2: sixth round?
Speaker 4: The punt God. Yeah, now, Bob one thing. I will
Speaker 4: hundred percent agree with you. I am in fear of
Speaker 4: a second wide receiver situation. So let's say Josh Reynolds
Speaker 4: is your third flex option because he really is a
Speaker 4: very reliable hands receiver. He proved that the past two years,
Speaker 4: so I'm cool with him being a good three. I
Speaker 4: set it across all platforms, JET related, on Facebook, anywhere
Speaker 4: I can get it. They need to attack some team's
Speaker 4: vulnerability of having too many good receivers. That's the Packers.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of the teams headed that way. I
Speaker 4: mean the Packers got the Tivian Wicks, Dobbs and Watson.
Speaker 4: Watson would probably be or Dobbs your first, you know, strike,
Speaker 4: but they could come at a significant cost, meaning you know,
Speaker 4: these guys want to get paid, but they're not better
Speaker 4: than Garrett Wilson. So to me, it's not even a competition.
Speaker 4: You signed Wilson and then you go and trade for
Speaker 4: somebody's number three or four wide receiver who's not getting
Speaker 4: enough light that you can become the number two house.
Speaker 2: I'll high drift pick you're willing to go.
Speaker 4: I'm willing to give up a third rounder and you
Speaker 4: might even be able to get away with a fourth
Speaker 4: because of the desperation of having too much in one team.
Speaker 4: Like the Packers drafted Matt Golden, so he has to
Speaker 4: be a starter. He was drafted I think first round,
Speaker 4: so you have to start the Yeah, you gotta start.
Speaker 2: What you've seen so far in training camp. You have
Speaker 2: any belief in Aaron Smith.
Speaker 4: Not one hundred. I think he's the burner, which is fine,
Speaker 4: but again, he has to come into a fold as
Speaker 4: a fourth, but he's going to be your four.
Speaker 2: That guy can catch the ball, he can open it
Speaker 2: up for Garrett well, he will beat defenses with his
Speaker 2: speed uh and and force them to take him seriously.
Speaker 2: And you know, even doing that and having the free safety,
Speaker 2: you know, go deep to him, double team or whatever.
Speaker 4: So Bob, that's a good call. I think he's liking,
Speaker 4: to me like a DeShawn Jackson when affiliate waters. So
Speaker 4: if they can get him used in that light, sure,
Speaker 4: But the Shawn Jackson wasn't he like really considered their
Speaker 4: number one option. So Arian Smith, still I think you
Speaker 4: pepper him in. But I still think the number two
Speaker 4: drafted from somewhere else that you can bring in even
Speaker 4: as a one year. Hey, we gave up this pick
Speaker 4: because if it works out, he might help us drag
Speaker 4: ourselves into a wald farm.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't give up a three. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of these teams are trading five, yeah, four parts, and okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll be willing to do that. But because they're
Speaker 2: going to get some extra picks next year, I think
Speaker 2: they have a bunch of extra seventh round picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, compensatory picks there. We'll get an extra fourth for
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick that is projected, and then several or sevens.
Speaker 4: Is what about a four? A four for Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 4: or Christian Watson line them up as a second. I
Speaker 4: don't know, that's pretty that's pretty tough to me. That
Speaker 4: gives some fear and the other coordinator like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Why is why is Green Bay going to give up
Speaker 2: a young talented wide receiver?
Speaker 4: Because they have too many as right now? They have
Speaker 4: way too many. They just picked up a couple of
Speaker 4: the players too, they picked up Michel Hardman. That could
Speaker 4: be special teams play to be honest, but either way,
Speaker 4: they have way too many. They have a plothoraugh. So
Speaker 4: you were attacking teams with that many. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: you attack all teams. Teams with that many, you have
Speaker 4: to go and take a gamble out.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, makes a lot of sense. Tell me,
Speaker 1: thank you for the call, folks, for getting along here.
Speaker 1: So we'll just do some quick today.
Speaker 2: Paul, what else you got to do?
Speaker 1: I guess that's a good point. So all right, here's next.
Speaker 1: We have Bill. What's up? Bill?
Speaker 4: WHOA?
Speaker 2: I didn't think I was going to get on, So
Speaker 2: I'm glad you called. You know Bill, I've seen you
Speaker 2: on another show which we both know. Yeah, and I've
Speaker 2: heard you talk. I've heard you talk about the sixty
Speaker 2: nine Jets, and I was desperately trying to find you
Speaker 2: on Facebook, on Twitter whatever.
Speaker 3: To basically get out of Twitter. Oh my god, to
Speaker 3: try to tell you my book. I actually I'm waiting
Speaker 3: on your book. I purchased it. I'm waiting for them
Speaker 3: to mail it to me.
Speaker 2: Great, I got the New York I mean, see Queen's
Speaker 2: on your on your.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a Mets fan.
Speaker 2: I'm a Mets fan in addition to Jets fan.
Speaker 1: I'm both.
Speaker 2: I grew up in Flushing, literally two miles from Say Stadium,
Speaker 2: so I was, I was a fan. I still am
Speaker 2: a fan, although last night I must admit Game two
Speaker 2: I deliberately did not watch because I've been disgusted by
Speaker 2: what I've seen. But now maybe they've turned the corner.
Speaker 2: We'll see. But you live in Queens, No, I'm a
Speaker 2: Latin from Manhattan. Oh okay, great? Whereabouts? I live on
Speaker 2: the Upper west Side Oh okay, good. Yeah, my son
Speaker 2: who just got married, was on the Upper west Side
Speaker 2: on ninety second Street, and I moved to the Upper
Speaker 2: east Side street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one of those guys that has the what
Speaker 3: is it the embarrassment of saying, well, let me see.
Speaker 3: I was eleven years old when the Mets won the
Speaker 3: sixty nine World Series, and I remember clearly car I
Speaker 3: was a Mets fan then. Unfortunately, I was not a
Speaker 3: football fan then. I was not watching any football back then,
Speaker 3: and I only heard secondhand about Joe Namath the guarantee.
Speaker 2: Have you watched that was great? Have you watched YouTube
Speaker 2: to look at the game? I have not. Well, go
Speaker 2: back and watch it. I'll tell you it is not
Speaker 2: the most fascinating football game you're ever gonna see. But
Speaker 2: watching name it in action, because I think Namath had
Speaker 2: his best game as a all around pro, as a
Speaker 2: field tactician and any throwing game and basically not trying
Speaker 2: to be a gun slinger. And the defense played very well.
Speaker 2: And there's really twist and turn in that game. You know,
Speaker 2: somebody asked me earlier, what was the turning point? Well,
Speaker 2: there was another turning point in the game. It was
Speaker 2: the first time Baltimore had the got had the ball,
Speaker 2: and they methodically marched downfield and want and watched this
Speaker 2: bill as you watch the game, and it was like
Speaker 2: it was second and ten or something. And John Elliott,
Speaker 2: who was the Jets' right defensive tackle, was such a
Speaker 2: good pass rusher, and they thought he was susceptible to
Speaker 2: the run, but he got better and better against it.
Speaker 2: But there's just one play, and you can't see it
Speaker 2: on NBC, But I had the film, the NFL film
Speaker 2: that they gave to the Jets of that game, and
Speaker 2: you can see this that I'm describing. On this play,
Speaker 2: Baltimore's right tackle, so he's not opposite John Elliott. Baltemore's
Speaker 2: right tack, the right guard, excuse me, block John Elliott.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a delay, a delay run by
Speaker 2: Tom Maddy. John Elliott throws him off to the side.
Speaker 2: Here comes the left guard who is opposite John Elliott.
Speaker 2: John Elliott basically flattens him. Here comes Hill, the full back,
Speaker 2: to block him, and John Elliott basically just says, get
Speaker 2: out of my way, and he throws him aside. And
Speaker 2: here comes Maddie and Elliott puts his arms around him
Speaker 2: and holds him to a one yard game. He threw
Speaker 2: off three blocks in about two and a half seconds.
Speaker 2: And on the next play it was third and nine
Speaker 2: and they tried running. They tried running the ball again
Speaker 2: and Philbin knocked the running back I think it was
Speaker 2: Maddie also five yards behind the line of scrimmage. Then
Speaker 2: they caused Baltimore to have to try a long field goal,
Speaker 2: which they missed, and that was the first time Baltimore
Speaker 2: had the ball. And Ralph Baker, who was a left
Speaker 2: side linebacker for the Jets, I said, what did you
Speaker 2: think because all this was happening. He said, it really
Speaker 2: bothered me. And really I wondered, you know, what's going
Speaker 2: on here? Because they were just moving everything downfield against us.
Speaker 2: We didn't seem to be able to stop them, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the defense stiffened up and stopped them.
Speaker 2: And that was a big part of the game because
Speaker 2: Boltimore looked like they were gonna go downfield to score touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Anyway, I remember in seventy two watching the Jets
Speaker 3: cold game where name it it in United is Yeah,
Speaker 3: looked up and threw for about eight hundred arts combined
Speaker 3: to his.
Speaker 2: Joe Joe had six touchdowns and Uniteds had five.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And John Riggans drew in one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 3: yards rushing, and he was my favorite running back.
Speaker 2: He was amazing. Yeah, if he had stayed longer, he
Speaker 2: might be on Rushmore.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well for me, I would like to see Wesley
Speaker 3: Walker on Mount Rushmore too, But yeah, have so much
Speaker 3: space or touchdowns.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins game right, talk about dueling quarterbacks Ken O'Brien,
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, Wes walkuddies.
Speaker 2: He had the kind of speed. Nobody else in the
Speaker 2: NFL at that point had his kind of speed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Harold is coming out of college, so yeah, we
Speaker 2: can always hope. You know, maybe Arian Smith will will
Speaker 2: do that. All. He's a lot shorter, but.
Speaker 3: I would I think he's gonna make improvements in terms
Speaker 3: of bringing down that drop rate of his and if
Speaker 3: that happens, he's gonna become a much more dangerous receiver.
Speaker 2: For from your from your mouth to God's ear.
Speaker 3: Absolutely man, absolutely so. I'm you know, very happy to
Speaker 3: actually meet you for the first time.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: Embarrassed that I never got to see the Jets in
Speaker 3: their Super Bowl game then because I wasn't even a
Speaker 3: football fan. That came a little bit later. And the
Speaker 3: writer Luna is gorgeous, gorgeous so much. My granddaughter's name
Speaker 3: is Mia Luna.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Okay, see we're simpatico. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking to it. You're talking to a seven
Speaker 2: time grandfather, So I know.
Speaker 12: There you go.
Speaker 1: We're all swimming in the same pool here, which as
Speaker 1: much appreciated.
Speaker 2: Finally get great to get to meet you same here
Speaker 2: there he is.
Speaker 1: All right, we have one last call, Bob.
Speaker 7: Here we go.
Speaker 1: It's none other than your good old friend Easy in
Speaker 1: the truck. What's up? Easy?
Speaker 11: Breakfast at a place.
Speaker 1: I saw that you went through an entire journey because
Speaker 1: in the green room I could see every camera that's
Speaker 1: waiting Easy listening to the show breakfast, and then in
Speaker 1: the car having his day.
Speaker 2: I haven't had breakfast yet.
Speaker 4: Easy.
Speaker 2: What was what was on your menu this morning?
Speaker 4: I had?
Speaker 9: Well, boy, I usually give the make one or again
Speaker 9: a western omelet with rye, toast and butter and a
Speaker 9: cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: I make I make omelets, and my my wife called
Speaker 2: him smell the omelets because they smell up.
Speaker 11: Because you burn the eggs, buddy, and burn the eggs.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about today?
Speaker 11: Okay, So.
Speaker 9: I think to get Matt Snell on board. I think
Speaker 9: Woody and Chris need to go to his house with
Speaker 9: a limousine and they need to knock on his door
Speaker 9: and beg him to come out to breakfast with them
Speaker 9: and tell him and tell him I was wrong about
Speaker 9: what I said in the past. You were an integral
Speaker 9: part of Jets history and we would like to put
Speaker 9: you on the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 11: You deserve to be.
Speaker 9: Honored in front of the fans in the stadium for
Speaker 9: your contributions to the Jets. And I think if they
Speaker 9: actually do that in earnest, I think they might get
Speaker 9: him to at least go.
Speaker 4: To at least yeah.
Speaker 2: The only the only thing I like the idea. The
Speaker 2: only problem is they've already gone up with their limousine
Speaker 2: to his apartment. Oh yeah, I think I think they
Speaker 2: have to set the groundwork first. You can't just go there.
Speaker 2: You can't just go Yeah, you can't just go there
Speaker 2: and knock on the door. It's got to be set up.
Speaker 2: And and I think it's a great idea. They should
Speaker 2: take him out whatever, But you know, he's eighty three
Speaker 2: years old. Especially now, you got to make you got
Speaker 2: to let him know you're coming so he's ready, because
Speaker 2: you might be sitting there and you might be sitting
Speaker 2: there in his undies for all we know it's no
Speaker 2: I I I hope, Yeah, well I I hope.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. I appreciate that.
Speaker 11: Double down about I want to talk about by Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 9: Go, Okay, I believe I love Revis, but I think
Speaker 9: the Mount Rushmore is more about who is the best
Speaker 9: player and who was the best him. And so that's
Speaker 9: why I give Curtis Barton the nod on that, because
Speaker 9: he was beloved that. I mean, it's one thing to
Speaker 9: be crank and all that, and Revs is crank. I
Speaker 9: don't know, but Reeves had some bad blood with some
Speaker 9: of the fans, and Curtis Martin was everything you'd ever
Speaker 9: want out of a New York Jet player as far
Speaker 9: as a fan is. He was crete, he was gracious,
Speaker 9: he was lovable, and he was a him through and through.
Speaker 9: He wanted when Parcels was going to the Jets, he
Speaker 9: told ourselves, get me, Enity, I want to learn the Jets.
Speaker 9: He wanted to be a Jet. He lives and helved
Speaker 9: and breathed and bled Jet's green. So that's the type
Speaker 9: of guy I want on my Mount Rushing one. That's
Speaker 9: my my take on that one.
Speaker 2: Everyone else I have, I have, I have Curtis up there,
Speaker 2: and uh, in fact, I think it took way too
Speaker 2: long to put him in the Hall of Fame, way
Speaker 2: too long. I mean he was he was a running
Speaker 2: back who did everything run and block and and catch
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 1: What didn't he rushing two years two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: He's the oldest running back to ever lead the league
Speaker 1: in rushing. Yes, he had one thousand, six ninety seven
Speaker 1: rushing yards.
Speaker 11: He could run, he could catch, he could block. I
Speaker 11: mean he was everything you want to running back.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 11: He's just he was my favorite. I thought Curtis was
Speaker 11: the best. The next next thing we're talking about, we
Speaker 11: were ex time to listen to show people. We're talking
Speaker 11: about do you think.
Speaker 4: Made today?
Speaker 11: And my absolutely And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Well, I lost you for a second. So I think
Speaker 2: name it? Do I think name it? And Maynard what?
Speaker 5: They would absolutely make it in the league today, because hey,
Speaker 5: you can't you can't touch the quarterback hardly unless it's
Speaker 5: a clean hit.
Speaker 8: And you can't even fall on the guy even when
Speaker 8: you I've been watching some uh some old film of.
Speaker 5: JJ with the Jets when he tackles the guy, he
Speaker 5: literally after as the guy's falling down, He puts his
Speaker 5: hands on the ground and pushes himself off the ground
Speaker 5: before the quarterback even hits the floor these days because
Speaker 5: he doesn't want to get penalized for putting his weight
Speaker 5: on the guy. So I think Nameath would have definitely
Speaker 5: been better. Plus, you cannot maul the receivers. You got
Speaker 5: five yards, then you gotta let him run. I mean
Speaker 5: you used to have players back in the day. I
Speaker 5: mean Oakland Raiders they had what Jack Tatum and and
Speaker 5: uh Leicster Lester the Molester. I mean, come on, I
Speaker 5: mean you're talking about these guys used to beat the
Speaker 5: crap out of you fifteen twenty yards downfield.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is a different game today. Well, twenty
Speaker 8: year career, he'd kicked.
Speaker 2: The AFL in its time was very strongly a passing
Speaker 2: league and that they the NFL. They wanted to be
Speaker 2: wide open because they thought that was a more exciting
Speaker 2: brand to play and it would attract viewers. And so
Speaker 2: I listen, I don't have any goat those guys would
Speaker 2: would be uh would be good today? Would they be
Speaker 2: as good as they were?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: Hey, you gotta also remember the guys now are faster, bigger, stronger.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that that precludes name it and
Speaker 2: and the people of that era from from being really
Speaker 2: good players, But I don't know if they would have
Speaker 2: been the same. It's a different kind of league now
Speaker 2: than it was then.
Speaker 5: And well, I remember during the sack exchange, Mark Gastineau
Speaker 5: was like the third fastest player on the team. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean you could you. I mean that's he would
Speaker 5: have made it in today's game. Probably they would put
Speaker 5: him at more of an outside linebacker in today's game
Speaker 5: in a three to four. But Gastona I think deserves
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame considerations. If you look at his
Speaker 5: at his career numbers, he made almost as many Pro
Speaker 5: Bowls as clecoh and all that stuff and the stacks
Speaker 5: and all that. He should be in the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 5: I mean the Hall of Fame, and I hope he
Speaker 5: goes in because the man is sick and I would
Speaker 5: hate to see him get in after he's dead.
Speaker 2: He deserves You watched did you watch the ESPN special
Speaker 2: from a couple of exactly last year but it's been replayed.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 5: I loved it, and I fell in love with Mark
Speaker 5: Astina all over again, I mean when he talked about
Speaker 5: how he was molested as a kid, I mean that
Speaker 5: pretty much explains. I mean, you didn't back in that era,
Speaker 5: you didn't talk about that stuff. You had to just
Speaker 5: suck it up and live with it. And he had
Speaker 5: to live and play all those games at that high level.
Speaker 5: And that's probably why he had all these these He
Speaker 5: wanted to be loved so bad and he was trying
Speaker 5: to call attention to himself.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 5: That explains pretty much everything about Mark Astina was his youth.
Speaker 2: I think the most argument I can make for cast
Speaker 2: is I think Gastino is really the person who made
Speaker 2: the sack such a tremendous statistic and how important it
Speaker 2: was in the game. Obviously there have been sacks from
Speaker 2: the beginning, but it just wasn't played up, the fact
Speaker 2: that they weren't even keeping it as a statistic.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty two was the first year.
Speaker 2: You know, Paul Zimmerman, who was the Jets beat writer
Speaker 2: in the New York Post, he had in the sixty
Speaker 2: a sixty nine season he recorded unofficially because it was
Speaker 2: his numbers, right Y Alton had twenty and a half sacks,
Speaker 2: and to read that twenty years later unofficially. Why weren't
Speaker 2: they keeping that number somewhere? I mean, it's kind of silly,
Speaker 2: but they weren't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, an important one. I appreciate that. Easy for the
Speaker 1: Mark Astna PU Football Hall of Fame consideration. We'll have
Speaker 1: to have that for another show, for sure, Bob, a
Speaker 1: historic show. I hope you get an idea of all
Speaker 1: the people that have wanted you back on the show.
Speaker 1: A lot of them called into the program today. That
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. So, Bob, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking the time ahead of the holiday.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I hope everybody out
Speaker 2: there has a great July fourth, and I look forward
Speaker 2: to seeing you again hopefully next week.
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