1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free, write to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,800 your support. I want to welcome back to the program 10 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:34,200 Andrew Dunn. He is a contributing columnist at the Charlotte 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,039 Observer and also the publisher of long Leaf Politics. You 12 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:40,200 can read that work at long leafpo l dot com 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,439 and subscribe to the newsletter there. Andrew, how are you, sir? 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: I'm well, good to be back with you. Thanksgiving. 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,799 Speaker 1: I did I did not quite the four generations that 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,640 you wrote about at long Leave Politics, but so that 17 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:58,600 was that was good? And so yeah, what was your 18 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,960 because you did write a piece this I thought it 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,159 was very good. I enjoyed it. So what was the 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,079 sort of the lesson that you took away from you know, 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,319 the ability to have what was it you said? Four generations? 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,719 So what your grandfather or great grandfather, who all was there. 23 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:16,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a wonderful time. We had everybody 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,920 from my seven month old niece I'm now an uncle, 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,359 which is fantastic, and then we had my ninety one 26 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:29,040 year old grandma. So wait quite the range. But you know, 27 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:31,560 really it was just a great time to kind of 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,319 unplug for a few days and relax. And you know, 29 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,920 I'm sure that all of us had different political thoughts 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,760 and whatnot, but it just never came up. You know, 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,200 what we were focused on was being together with family 32 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:45,879 and given thanks. And you know, if everybody could do 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,959 that more often, I think we'd be in a better place. 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Say, I went down to Atlanta, was with my 35 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:56,400 brother and his wife's extended family. We do that every year, 36 00:01:56,879 --> 00:01:59,359 and same thing. I know there are people, you know, 37 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:02,400 in that family that have very different political views than 38 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:04,519 I do. When we never talk politics, it never comes up, 39 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:10,039 and nobody tries to needle each other. But I guess 40 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,159 if you've got family members that want to antagonize, I 41 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,039 guess it would be a different story. But I didn't have. 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,680 There's nobody in the family that does that. 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness. 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, and now we did not. A 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,280 topic that did not come up, but was all over 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,000 Charlotte media for the week prior to Thanksgiving was Operation 47 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:34,840 Charlotte's Web. We talked a little about it before Thanksgiving, 48 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:37,960 before last week, and you've written quite a few pieces 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,080 about this at Long Leave Politics, but also with the 50 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,719 Charlotte Observer. You wrote your first newspaper column. You talked 51 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:46,759 about why you were not a fan of the masked 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,120 agents and the unmarked vans. You wrote about then the 53 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:58,400 case that immigration enforcement, including deportation, is necessary and it's 54 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:02,000 moral as well. And then you have a piece at 55 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,199 Long Leave Politics how border patrol raids changed the North 56 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:09,280 Carolina political landscape. So I will ask how so. 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't talk politics at Thanksgiving dinner, but I 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,000 love talking politics with you. 59 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. 60 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, how it changed the political landscape? I mean, 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,800 basically I had three takeaways here. You know. Number one 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,039 is it really seems to me that the kind of 63 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,599 shock and awe smash and grab raids are a political loser. 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,479 You know, I get that I may be a little 65 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,080 skewed in my perception living here in Charlotte, but I 66 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:39,759 do my best to get outside the bubble as much 67 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,960 as possible. And it does seem to me that that 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,960 sort of operation just kind of makes people uncomfortable, especially 69 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:51,560 you know, in unaffiliated voters, the suburban voters that tend 70 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:55,560 to be are the swing voters in our elections. People 71 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:57,680 just don't love to see it. 72 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'll confirm that for you. People that are 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,120 not political at all, And even if they want the 74 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:07,479 border closed and they want the criminal aliens deported, what 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,599 they saw made them feel uneasy, right, And. 76 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:14,599 Speaker 2: Some of it is I think the Trump administration likes 77 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:16,879 to play up the drama a little bit, and that 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,160 certainly doesn't help when you're really leaning into it. You know, 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,720 President Obama deported a lot more people, but he never 80 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:26,839 went out and did press conferences on it. He just 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,639 kind of did it, and nobody seemed to care. But 82 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,800 that brings me to point number two, which is this 83 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:35,879 is actually a bigger shift than I think a lot 84 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:39,000 of people give it credit for. Is that the conversation 85 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,360 has completely changed. You know, six months ago, there was 86 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,079 a debate on whether law enforcement should cooperate with ICE 87 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,000 at all. You know, we've talked about this all the time, 88 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,720 where you know, Sheriff McFadden here in Mecklenburg County kind 89 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,040 of campaigned on not cooperating with ICE and not turning 90 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,439 people over, and now after Charlotte's Web, it seems like 91 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,879 that position is just completely untenable. That even Democrats, even 92 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,279 the left side of the aisle, is now saying, all right, well, 93 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,839 we're okay with deporting criminals, We're okay with handing them over. So, 94 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:11,560 you know, I think that's an opportunity for the General 95 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Assembly in North Carolina to really push on that expand 96 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:19,319 the list of crimes that make people eligible for deportation. 97 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,839 And it seems kind of obvious, but I think anytime 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,800 somebody is brought to the jail there should be a 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,600 determination of their legal status in this country. I don't 100 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,560 know why you would limit that, you know, to certain 101 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:33,360 classes of folks. 102 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hang on, you know why. 103 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,759 Speaker 2: Well, okay, I do know why. But it doesn't make 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,360 any sense. 105 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:41,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it does if you don't want to anger 106 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,639 an activist base, right sure, And that's what the I mean, 107 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:51,199 that's what guys like Gary mcfaden ran on in twenty eighteen. 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,759 It was an explicit promise to get rid of the 109 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:57,360 two eighty seven g program. So they would not know 110 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,480 who's coming into the jail, so they would and not 111 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,120 be able to cooperate with ICE. That was explicit, and 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,079 all of his actions since then have been in line 113 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,959 with that campaign promise. So credit where it's due. He is, 114 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:12,360 you know, he is fulfilling his campaign promise. 115 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: Well, I guess you got to give him credit for that. 116 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,319 But yeah, I mean, now is the time to really 117 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:20,800 put pressure on that because I don't think anybody can 118 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,199 be front and center saying they're not going to cooperate 119 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:26,759 with ICE for people arrested and brought to the jail. 120 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,360 That's a non starter now. 121 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:31,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, And then also the third component here 122 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:37,480 the businesses e verified specifically, I was surprised that you 123 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:44,319 found only five e verify enforcement actions since twenty seventeen, 124 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,240 and that's in North Carolina. 125 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:51,639 Speaker 2: Alone, exactly. Yeah, So the North Carolina Department of Labor 126 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,839 is responsible for enforcing the e verify law, and North 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,600 Carolina has a really weak everify law. You know, some 128 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:01,680 states have started to go in to requiring all employers 129 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,319 to use it, but North Carolina still only requires, you know, 130 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:09,279 employers of twenty five or more to use everify, and 131 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:12,160 that makes it incredibly easy to work around it. You know, 132 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:15,759 if you're a contractor, you use subcontractors and everybody falls 133 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:19,639 under the twenty five employee threshold, so nobody is checking it. 134 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:24,959 But I have to believe that there are some businesses 135 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,639 that are violating this law, you know, just driving around 136 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:31,480 the state. You know, it seems to be quite clear, 137 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,399 but I don't know what the exact issue is. My 138 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:36,959 guess is that the Department of Labor just doesn't have 139 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,279 the resources to actually enforce this, and I think that's 140 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:42,519 probably by design. I mean, I think there's a lot 141 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:46,319 of folks who give money to the General Assembly who 142 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:48,839 do not want tight enforcement of this law. 143 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. I mean that's always been going back, you know, 144 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:56,480 twenty five years when immigration sort of exploded as a 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,120 national issue the first time, with the path the citizenship 146 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,199 and all of that. Right, there was this alliance between 147 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:06,680 people who wanted you know, open borders for I guess 148 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,920 what they thought were, you know, the potential for new 149 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,120 voters for Democrats, but also the cheap labor for the 150 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,519 chamber and the business crowd. And that's been that alliance, 151 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,000 and like to your point, I don't know if that's 152 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,439 a tenable position any longer, especially in economic heart hard times, right, 153 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,959 people are now looking at anybody coming across the border 154 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,240 illegally as now somebody that's taking a job that they 155 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,039 want to hold themselves, and so it's a harder sell. 156 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,240 I think at this point. Now I did think your 157 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,879 piece at the Charlotte Observer, I think this is actually 158 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:45,360 the winning argument on open borders versus enforcement. And you 159 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:48,080 start off the piece by saying there is nothing compassionate 160 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:51,720 about open borders, and I think when you go through 161 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:54,000 as you did in your piece, and you talk about 162 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,200 the horrors that people go through to come across the border, 163 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,440 and then once they are here, they are basically indentured servants, 164 00:09:02,799 --> 00:09:06,440 and they are and they're employed by the cartels as 165 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,159 sort of the logistical support for whatever cartel operations are 166 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:14,919 functioning in various cities. Like these people have no option 167 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,559 but to stay and work illegally and have their money 168 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,679 siphoned away from them and not be able to report 169 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:24,480 abuses or crimes and that sort of stuff, because if 170 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,960 they do so, the cartels will kill them, They'll kill 171 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,279 their families back home. And so like, this is this 172 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,639 open border idea, and let everybody in that that's not 173 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,879 the morally superior position. It's not the compassionate position. 174 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: No, not at all. And we've known this for decades. 175 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:44,480 I mean it's almost twenty years ago now. The Charlotte Observer, 176 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:48,120 I believe, was a Pulitzer finalists for their piece called 177 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,759 the Cruelest Cuts looking at the conditions, labor conditions and 178 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,399 some of the Piedmont North Carolina poultry plants. And you know, 179 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,960 that's exactly what you get if you have kind of 180 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,039 a wink in a nod and greation enforcement and you know, 181 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:05,440 leave the borders open and encourage people to come put 182 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,399 their life at risk. And there's just no, there's no 183 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,720 good argument for the arrangement that we have today. And 184 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:15,799 I think you know at the conservative position is the 185 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:17,919 truly humanitarian one. 186 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you mentioned, I've talked about this with 187 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:23,799 people from like particularly the construction industry when we were 188 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,720 talking about Charlotte's Web and they say, look, our job 189 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:29,320 sites are empty. You know, Americans won't do these jobs. 190 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,440 And I said, well, then create like a like the 191 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,679 farm worker program, what do you call it, the Brasero's program, right, 192 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,600 where like you can create something to fill these jobs. 193 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,000 But the key is that you've got to have a 194 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,559 legal way to do it, and you can't be undercutting 195 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,639 American workers. So then employers are incentivized to go with 196 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,840 the illegal labor and keep this sort of underground economy going. 197 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:58,039 Speaker 2: Exactly. I mean, I think I don't think it's true 198 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,360 that Americans don't want to do those jobs. Maybe it's 199 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:02,440 true they don't want to do the jobs for the 200 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,240 wages you're trying to pay. And that's why I think 201 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,080 one of the best ideas that the Trump administration has 202 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,240 had this year is increasing the fee for employers to 203 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,080 use the H one B visa program. I can't remember 204 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,200 what the number was they landed on, but increasing the 205 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,879 cost of doing that so it's not a it's truly 206 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:24,679 getting workers that you can't hire in the United States, 207 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:26,759 rather than a cost saving measure. And I think we 208 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:29,120 should bring that approach all up and down to all 209 00:11:29,159 --> 00:11:30,279 all levels of visas. 210 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw there's a some Twitter account that was 211 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:38,000 posting all of these different ads for the H one 212 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,240 B jobs, and I mean, it's obviously rife with fraud 213 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,679 that companies are bringing people in and they're doing it 214 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,879 in order to undercut and pay undercut American workers and 215 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,080 pay lower salaries and they're abusing the system. But that 216 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,600 being said, there there, you know, there can be a 217 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,960 way to bring in labor if we're not filling the 218 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,840 jobs with Americans. So yeah, I think that's the I 219 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,559 think that's the sane and rational position. And I even 220 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,919 saw people in the comment section that we're giving you kudos, 221 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:09,360 saying and they never agree with conservatives on anything, but 222 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,000 on this one, they tend to agree with you. So 223 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,120 I think this is the winning argument. 224 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll tell you if the Observer comments section agrees 225 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,480 with me, maybe maybe I'm on something or maybe I'm 226 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,360 just way off base. 227 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: That's right, Hey, Andrew, I always appreciate it. Thank you, sir. 228 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,200 We'll talk with you next week. 229 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. 230 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:30,279 Speaker 1: All right. That's Andrew Dunn. You can read his work 231 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,799 at the Charlotte Observer. 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All right, 252 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:47,519 so excuse me. Andrew Dunn's piece over at the Charlotte 253 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,840 Observer Border patrol leaves Charlotte, but hardly sorry, but hard 254 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:58,240 reality remains. We need deportations. That was the headline and 255 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,360 wrote in this piece. When we refuse to enforce our laws, 256 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,000 we haven't chosen mercy We've chosen a system that leaves 257 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:11,679 people to die in the desert, drown in rivers, be 258 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:15,720 assaulted by cartels, and then live in a permanent shadow 259 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:20,960 class here in the United States. There is no honest 260 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,279 path forward on immigration that does not include enforcing the law, 261 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,720 and that includes deportations. That's what I said during the operation. 262 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,960 You know, if you don't like the law, then you 263 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,679 change the law. You don't get to nullify a law 264 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,080 that you don't like. That's not how this system is 265 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,320 supposed to work. It's not. And if you know, if 266 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,279 you're allowed to nullify laws that you don't like, well 267 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,080 you know, I've got some laws that I'd like to 268 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,080 nullify as well. So who's to say just because you 269 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,960 don't like the way it looks, you don't like Custom 270 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:02,919 and Border Patrol agents coming to town and rounding up 271 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,799 three hundred and seventy plus people, you don't like the 272 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,679 way it looks, it makes you feel sad or something, 273 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,279 then change the law. You don't get to say don't 274 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,519 enforce it. But I understand like, and this is what 275 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Andrew was saying. Also about the optics. I get that 276 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:25,519 I've heard it. It makes people feel uncomfortable. It makes 277 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:28,320 them feel sad because you see the crying mom. You 278 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,440 see the kid no mommy or daddy, you know, crying 279 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,679 that their parent is being taken away. Which, by the 280 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,159 way that scene plays out, whenever police arrest somebody for 281 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,600 breaking the law and a child is present like that, 282 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,720 is that that sort of thing happens all the time. 283 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:51,840 Families are broken up whenever there is an arrest of 284 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:56,480 one of the family members. That's what happens there. It's 285 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:58,919 just now you're seeing it because people are videotaping it. 286 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:02,919 They're employing the the you know, Hamas playbook. Democrats once 287 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:07,759 again employing the Hamas playbook, which is to force the 288 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:12,039 focus of attention onto the ramifications of the decision to 289 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,639 break the law, to do something bad on the front end, 290 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:22,120 pay no attention to that, and flip the the oppressor 291 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,879 oppressed narrative. And now, or if I want to go 292 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,840 all Darvo on you, it's the reverse victim and offender. 293 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:31,639 The offender is the people who the offenders of the 294 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:35,639 people who came into the country illegally. That's the initial offense. 295 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,519 When they are caught and sent home, that doesn't make 296 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:43,559 them the victim. They are still the offender. They are 297 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:49,120 suffering the repercussions, the penalties of their offense. That's how 298 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:54,879 that works, he said. The progressive left often treats loose 299 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:58,200 borders as an act of compassion, but in reality they 300 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,799 produce something close to law ballless cruelty. And I went 301 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,640 over this about a week ago, week and a half ago, 302 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,640 going through the way that the cartels use these illegal 303 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,359 immigrants that they have smuggled into the country. They keep 304 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,759 them indentured, they threaten them, they threaten their families, and 305 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:21,400 then they use those people to aid the cartel operations. 306 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:25,279 And those people have no choice but to continue working here, 307 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,640 staying here, sending money back to the cartels, providing logistical 308 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,319 support or whatever lookout you know, support, doing whatever the 309 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,359 cartel demands of them. They can't go home, they can't quit, 310 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:40,680 they can't run away. So what do you do? Well, 311 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,079 if we deport them, that's not really their fault, then, 312 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,799 is it. Here's a great idea. How about making an 313 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,119 escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western 314 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,640 North Carolina? 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We go over to the 335 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,079 text line here, Alan says, we are at the end 336 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,319 of the covert parts of the left's revolutions. Stopping it 337 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,480 and repairing the damage are not going to look pleasant. 338 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,680 People better come to understand that this is the result 339 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,079 of someone else's actions that weren't broadcast to the masses. 340 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,680 Many of the masses still don't know that they opened 341 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,960 the borders wide open, nor do they know why. Also, 342 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:31,200 Obama counted turnarounds at the border. Yeah, I've talked about 343 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,519 that that data point as well. Obama deported quote unquote 344 00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:38,680 deported three million people. They called him the deporter in chief. 345 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:43,920 A lot of the lefty activists were mad at him 346 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,000 for that, But those were not deportations from the interior. 347 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:51,359 They were people coming across and then being sent right back, 348 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,559 and those counted as deportations. So that's why he got 349 00:19:55,559 --> 00:20:01,160 the numbers up, you know. And also Donald Trump, you know, 350 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,880 when you lock down the border, you're not going to 351 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,359 have as many deportations because you're not catching people at 352 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,759 the border anymore because they're not coming across the border, right, 353 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,640 So that allows them to focus on the interior enforcement, 354 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,720 and what we saw in Charlotte is what that looks like, 355 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:23,319 and that makes people feel uneasy and uncomfortable. And that's 356 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,839 why I've been saying this for the last three weeks, right, 357 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,240 which is I said it yesterday with the sheriff Gary 358 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:35,759 not my fault McFadden's press release, where it's like, you know, 359 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:39,000 we didn't create this confusion and chaos and fear, and 360 00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:43,319 oh no, you did. You absolutely did. The Democrat Party 361 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,359 under the Biden administration opened the borders. We got ten 362 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,200 to fifteen million people that came across the border in 363 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,319 four years. And this is what it looks like to 364 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,200 try to find them and get them out. And when 365 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,680 you've got a guy like McFadden as sheriff that doesn't 366 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,440 even want to identify somebody as a legal or illegal 367 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:07,480 alien in the jail and refuses to cooperate with ICE 368 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:10,200 and just releases the person back out onto the street, 369 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,359 then yes, this is what it looks like. And yes, 370 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,000 you're responsible for creating the fear and confusion and chaos 371 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,559 that the operation looks like because you did it. You 372 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:26,119 forced this operation to occur, right, You let inten to 373 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,000 fifteen million people within four years, and it creates a 374 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:35,559 backlog of any quote unquote due process proceedings. And so 375 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,079 the left is using this narrative, this argument that, oh, 376 00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:43,440 we have to have due process, this due process that meanwhile, 377 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,440 like most of the people that they've caught already had 378 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,920 deportation orders against them. They were not here, they were 379 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,160 not supposed to be here. They were told to go 380 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,799 home and they didn't, or they came back after they did. 381 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:01,200 And so what the argument is about due process is 382 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,359 to slow the process down. Get you a bunch of 383 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,119 court court hearings, make a bunch of asylum claims, like, 384 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,680 do all of these procedural things that you can do 385 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:14,559 in order to slow everything down, so you can run 386 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:18,640 out the clock on Donald Trump's term and hope that 387 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,200 a Democrat gets in and gives you amnesty or gives 388 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,720 you a path to citizenship which is amnesty right, or 389 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,680 goes back to the status quo where you know, don't ask, 390 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,200 don't tell. Basically, we're not going to enforce immigration law. 391 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:42,319 Let me see. And there's another message here from Cohen 392 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:48,920 who says, before I retired from OSHA, every time we 393 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,319 went to a construction site, when we parked our vehicles 394 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:54,799 and got out and put on our NCOSH safety vests 395 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:58,680 and hard hats. Hispanic workers would actually take off running away. 396 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,240 We would yell at them that the were nots come back, 397 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,039 but they never did until we would leave when we 398 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:09,319 did a little bit of the inspection with very few workers, 399 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,720 and then we would leave the site. They would eventually 400 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,880 come back and get back to work. And this was 401 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:22,000 twenty years ago. Twenty years ago, you heard the story 402 00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:29,920 during Operation Charlotte's Web about Miguel Martinez. This was the 403 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:38,200 US citizen who was arrested after documenting border patrol in Charlotte. Well, 404 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,319 why would you be arrested for simply documenting border patrol? Well, 405 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,119 there may have been a little bit of a van 406 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,119 that he was driving, jumping the median, running red lights, 407 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,839 driving the wrong way in traffic as he tried to 408 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,519 evade a traffic stop. Remember in the video went viral, 409 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,240 he was in like a large van tearing through an intersection. Yeah, 410 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,319 that was also him. Well, a federal judge last week 411 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:14,279 partially dismissed charges, so some of the charges remain, some 412 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,920 of them do not. I saw people reporting this on 413 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,680 social media that they dropped all the charges against him, 414 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720 but that did not happen. The judge in the case 415 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,279 did not drop all the charges, but he did drop some. 416 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:32,880 The federal government brought charges against this guy, Martinez, twenty 417 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,640 four years old, who was taking photos of agents at 418 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,160 several locations. This was on November sixteenth. That was the 419 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,160 second day that CPB quote roamed the city. This is 420 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,839 from the Charlotte observer. Roamed the city in paramilitary gear. 421 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:55,480 How dare they be kitted up? How dare they? And 422 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,480 they were questioning and stopping people in public places. Border 423 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,400 patroll tried to get Martinez to engage in a voluntary stop, 424 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,319 that's in quotes, a voluntary stop, but he fled after 425 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,200 circling agents in a parking lot. This is all according 426 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,079 to court documents that the observer is apparently quoting but 427 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,759 did not link up. So I cannot independently verify if 428 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:20,799 this is in fact true, but we'll have to take 429 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:24,519 their word for it. They've earned our trust. Is kidding now, 430 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,200 That's why I when looking for the link. So when 431 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:34,119 he refuses to stop, they follow him and that prompts 432 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:40,359 the chase. Oh, by the way, Martinez has a previous 433 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,400 conviction of resisting an officer, which might be relevant. All right. 434 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,240 If you're listening to this show, you know I try 435 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,039 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 436 00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,119 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 437 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,400 say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because 438 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,079 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 439 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,440 been so impressed with ground News. 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Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen 451 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,279 percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to 452 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,759 get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not 453 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,759 only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News, 454 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:51,799 as they make the media landscape more transparent from the 455 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,559 Charlotte Observer story by Julia Coyn talking about the arrest 456 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,920 of Miguel Martinez. It occurred back on the number sixteenth, 457 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,559 Some of it captured on video by passers by while 458 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,079 they were actually stopped in traffic and Martinez was zooming 459 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,079 past them with Border patrol in tow. The chase was 460 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,640 previously sorry. The chase followed after he refused to stop. 461 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,000 He was previously convicted of resisting an officer. He was 462 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:23,480 charged with felony assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering 463 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:28,559 with federal officers. That federal charge was enhanced when the 464 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,680 government claimed that he used a deadly or dangerous weapon 465 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,640 in the alleged crime, that weapon being his vehicle. But 466 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,960 video played during his three hour preliminary hearing more on 467 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,519 that moment in the US District Court for the Western 468 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,880 District of North Carolina showed footage from inside a car 469 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,200 carrying four ICE agents who said they planned to smash 470 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,039 into Martinez. At one point, an agent said he's going 471 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,400 to get shot now. Again. I did not get to 472 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,279 see the video. I've not seen the transcripts of the proceeding, 473 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,440 so I cannot verify any of this. But it sounds 474 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,960 to me not like the officers are saying like, Ooh, 475 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,160 we hope he gets shot. It's not like they're saying 476 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,400 it that way, but it sounded like in the transcript 477 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,440 that was excerpted in the article later on, seems like 478 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,920 they're saying that the guy's behaving in a way that's 479 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,880 going to get him shot because he's acting erratically. He's 480 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,079 gone crazy, he's zooming around traffic, he's hoppin' medians. After 481 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,960 nearly a week of deliberating alone, US Magistrate Judge David 482 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:43,200 Keisler issued an order dismissing the enhancement charge. So it's 483 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,400 just the enhancement charge using a deadly or dangerous weapon 484 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:55,160 his vehicle. That's the charge that was dismissed. He found 485 00:28:55,319 --> 00:29:01,599 there was probable cause to believe that Martinez forcibly interfered 486 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:09,279 with the agents, so that remains. Those charges remain. Martinez. 487 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,880 His federal public defender argued that Martinez had every right 488 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,000 to flee, which is an interesting argument. When agents tried 489 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 to stop Martinez, he says they were infringing on his 490 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:26,000 First Amendment rights to engage in citizen journalism and document 491 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:33,680 agents in public spaces. Okay, as a former reporter aka journalist, 492 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,359 went to school for it, was trained in it. There 493 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,400 is no such thing as a citizen journalist. All journalists, 494 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,079 unless you are working for like Stars and Stripes and 495 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,680 you are employed by the government, by the military, every 496 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,359 journalist is a citizen journalist. Oh, I guess, unless you're 497 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:55,119 an illegal alien journalist, then you're not a citizen. But 498 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,359 even then you'd be a citizen of whatever country you're 499 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,480 a citizen of. So, like a journal n lists does 500 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:05,200 not enjoy extra protections. This is one of the things 501 00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,880 why I always oppose these shield laws that the journalism 502 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,839 in crowd always wants to put in place, Like I 503 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,640 should be able to have these special privileges. No, you shouldn't. 504 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,279 You're just a regular person, just like I was. And 505 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,119 what I was told many times over the years. When 506 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:24,319 you go to a police scene, when you go someplace 507 00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,119 in law enforcement has for example, set up the crime 508 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,079 tape and they're telling people stay out of an area. 509 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,240 If they're telling every citizen to stay out of the area, 510 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,920 that includes you, Okay, you don't get Now. They may 511 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,319 be nice and set up a media staging area, say hey, media, 512 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,519 come over, here. We'll do press conferences right here, but 513 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,759 regular citizens can come in there too. Non journalists can 514 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:53,680 also stand in there. Right you're out on the street, 515 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:59,359 some crime has occurred, media shows up, and the cops 516 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,519 are like, stay back behind this line. If you cross 517 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,920 over into that line saying First Amendment, First Amendment, you're 518 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,440 gonna get arrested, and then you're not gonna get the 519 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,680 story and your boss is not gonna be happy. So 520 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,720 you can claim First Amendment protections, but the time to 521 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,599 fight that out is going to be in court, okay. 522 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,440 And if cops, if law enforcement of any kind, if 523 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,079 they're like, you need to get out of this area 524 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,720 because we're conducting an operation, and you choose not to 525 00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,319 do so, that is your choice. But if you end 526 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,279 up arrested, right then you're gonna have to make that 527 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,519 argument at some other point. But it's not gonna stop 528 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,440 you from getting arrested. That's what we were taught. Maybe 529 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,000 the rules of journalisming have changed, but that was always 530 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,359 what we were told. The assistant US Attorney Karen Finley 531 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,720 in court said it's lucky that nobody got hurt. She's 532 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,400 exactly right, and she pointed out that the guy could 533 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440 have just stopped. He could have just talked to the cops. 534 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,720 He's a US citizen. He could have just said, yeah, 535 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,000 I'm out here shooting video. I'm taking your pictures. I'm 536 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,359 posting them up onto Instagram. So I'm trying to get 537 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,000 everybody to know where you are. So they can avoid 538 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,839 being deported. They can they can avoid being held responsible 539 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,000 for the consequences of their actions. Right, he could have 540 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,319 said that. They could have They could have said, well, 541 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,279 you're we're gonna we're going to arrest you now for 542 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,559 interfering with the operation. Or maybe they could have said 543 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,319 stop it, go away. But he could have voluntarily engaged 544 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,240 in the conversation with CBP. He was at no risk 545 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,559 of being deported. He chose this course of action. All right, 546 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,920 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 547 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,000 for listening. I could not do the show without your 548 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,799 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 549 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,640 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 550 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,359 and tell them you heard it here. 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