Speaker 1: Welcome to Squatching Holler.
Speaker 2: In the midst where the trees lean loop, Squatching Hollers
gotta tell the show. Wisps creep like a creature's fainted out.
Every shadows got a secret to grow?
Speaker 3: Monsters rise? Where the stories are told?
Speaker 4: Squatching hollow where the legends are born?
Speaker 5: Are they?
Speaker 3: Are they gone?
Speaker 4: Who can say?
Speaker 2: In the hollow of the truth just slips away? Huge
foot Prince faed Where the creek runs than a lantern sways,
Let the search be go, rustling waves, but there's no
one near?
Speaker 6: Is it the wind or the beast?
Speaker 7: You fear?
Speaker 4: Every echoes a question, Every russell's a clue.
Speaker 6: Spotching Holly's got its eyes on you.
Speaker 7: Monsters those or.
Speaker 6: The stories are torn?
Speaker 8: Swatching?
Speaker 2: How where the legends are born?
Speaker 6: Are they? Are they calling you to say?
Speaker 7: The nights?
Speaker 5: And now with your Squatching Holler. Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Rain. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.
Speaker 9: Hey everybody, Amanda you batting down the hatches? You got
storms around you?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just checked the radar. While the intro is playing,
and thankfully all of it's south of us right now,
but it's still something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've Misty sent us pictures it.
Speaker 9: Uh, it hit here earlier in the day and that
she's in East Tennessee and it blew some stuff over
in the garden and everything. But we needed rain forever
and then now we're just getting too much of it.
And yeah, gads, well, welcome in everybody. Uh the squatching holler.
And we've got Katie g She she's come back to
talk to us. She has something happened recently. I know
a little bit about it, and I know enough about Katie.
We've been in some the same areas before. We're kind
of similar, we don't we we we like this stuff,
but when it gets real, it gets kind of spooky.
Speaker 3: So Katie, Yeah.
Speaker 9: The only one that will leave faster now, will is Katie?
So you see her jump off tailgate. It's time to go.
But uh, but yeah, you know, we have we have
people that's been doing this for fifty years. You know
that we have on and we have people that research
and gathered data. But then also you know there's tons
and tons of people that don't go looking for these things,
right and and and something happens, and I don't know
whether they're drawn to certain people.
Speaker 3: You know, we we can get into that later.
Speaker 9: Uh when Katie, you know, we've seen some of the
same things at the same time, and her description is
the same as mine and with multiple witnesses, and I
don't know what she did to attract these things, but
we'll we'll bring her out and.
Speaker 10: Let me Eboddy know what we do to attract these.
Speaker 3: Things, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And there's there's people in chat the same way.
That's why you know, I was like, Katie, can you
please come on because we did a holiday show and
you were on.
Speaker 10: Katie was on the Holiday show not too long ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 9: You know it didn't get a ton of views because
everybody was doing things and with them. I'm assuming the
algorithm if you have a lot of people in chat
and interacting, it puts it out there. And it's just
I wanted to bring her back and we may get
into some of the later stuff. It's not gonna be
a long show tonight. But one thing I wanted to
say before we've got one picture. I think it's incredible,
but I understand it's hard, you know, for people to
see things and I've been involved in that too, but
I looked up today. You know, most people care iPhones
or similar equipment with them, and you always hear people,
you know, well, how come there's no there's no clear pictures? Well,
the iPhone, uh is good for a good clear picture
in the sun, sunlight, good lighting for twenty to twenty
five feet and then video wise you stretch it out
to about seventy five in good light. That's not in
a canopy in the wood. That's not you know, you know,
an hour before dark or whatever. And you know you're
a photographer, you under you know, oh yeah, you have
to have good lighting, and you have good lighting.
Speaker 10: You got to have good aspect ratio and all this
kind of stuff to go with it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and these great pictures you see.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So if I tell you to take a picture
for National Geographic, you're gonna plan it out right, You're
gonna make sure you have all that.
Speaker 3: Well, if you're not.
Speaker 9: Expecting something to happen, like ninety nine point nine percent
of us, then that's why we don't have great pictures
because just base the cameras you have, Amanda, have the
big lenses, the good you know, the good lenses. And
the myth on camera is that's the thing. It's so small,
it's just capable. So but any any kind of picture,
I think is a is a great thing. And I've
learned from what happened with Gary Pops. You know, it's
our good, our moderator.
Speaker 3: Here. I saw the thing with my eyes.
Speaker 9: He did too, and I could see a little like
reddish streaks around the facial area.
Speaker 10: Oh wow.
Speaker 9: And when he took the picture and we looked at
it later, it just showed up as a black blob.
You could just make out the outline. So I've seen
it firsthand. And it was only forty yards away, that's
one hundred and twenty feet right into the woods. So anyway,
we'll bring miss Katie out and welcome her in again.
Let's see if she has sound. Hey Katie, Hey, I
can hear you. I can hear you.
Speaker 3: Yes, here you too, well, welcome in.
Speaker 8: Well, thank you, And I'll give you fair warning now
that just about two minutes ago, a big storm has
broke loose over my house. So hate it sounds like
I'm on be seeing cows blow by the windows.
Speaker 9: Well, if you have to throw oh, I can't look
at chat y'all with Hillary boot Hillary, I'm kidding, So
I forgot I was gonna say, See, that's why I
don't look at chat, y'all.
Speaker 8: So don't look at that.
Speaker 11: Leave that to me.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm supposed to be here for, y'all.
Speaker 9: The reason I like talking to Katie. She's not one
of these that chases shows. And matter of fact, you
almost have to beg please Katie, please come on and
talk because she's kind of shy. But we appreciate you
being here. I know, I know who you don't really
like doing it, but just thank you. You know, it's
an honor to have you on the show because you know,
a lot of people it's tough to get on and
talk about this stuff, and you know the people has
been doing it a long time, this second nature. But
I feel like we needed, you know, kind of shed
some light on I won't say normal folks like us,
but that's just kind of it kind of way it is.
You don't go looking for these things. And and she
she's telling the truth of y'all.
Speaker 3: She will come visit with us.
Speaker 9: But when this starts getting dark, uh uh, She'll she'll
point to the vehicle and say it's time to go.
Speaker 3: And yep, I'm kind of the same way. I'm not
gonna lie. I'm not you know, you too.
Speaker 10: I don't go looking for it for a reason because
you don't want it. Sometimes I don't want it to find.
Speaker 3: You, right, And so a little this. How long did
this happen? It was April the first instance.
Speaker 8: Well, it actually goes back to when we moved up here.
We moved up here the week after Valentine's Day and
it's been weird ever since. You know, my very first
morning here, I'm standing out on the back patio and
I saw something run through the field that moved so
fast I couldn't tell what it was. I got a
live action you know how I fones have that live action, Yeah,
and I got just a live action shot of it
that you know, you can just see something blur and
you know. But that was the very first morning we
were here. I was standing out, it was just getting daylight,
about seven o'clock in the morning, and I was here
in a not a cough but not a chuff somewhere
in between off across the field to the left, and
I'm like, I took a picture. I had raised my
camera and took a picture and as I was starting
to lower my camera, I saw the streak and just
barely caught a a little live action shot of it.
Speaker 9: So did you have a gut feeling by because you've
been around us and other people watching shows, and you've
had a lot happen to you. When you have heard
the it's kind of like the huff the Eric expelling,
and you could tell it was something big. I'm sure
because you know it's so now you're thinking, what have
we done?
Speaker 3: Moved into?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I've come to the conclusion that there's
just no getting away from them, that wherever I go,
they're going to be. I mean, I'm not by any means,
but I'm just resigned maybe yeah, just resigned to that fact.
Speaker 9: So well after you know, I don't care whether you
have paranormal stuff happened or like most of us have
and weird things, you get to a certain age where
it doesn't surprise you as much, you know, because you
and it comes with experience too, Katie.
Speaker 3: You know you've experienced in.
Speaker 9: Things and and what it does to us, And I
think Amanda is the same way. If you have things
happened to you, you're always you know people say head
on a swivel, but you're always.
Speaker 3: Scanning, yeah, always on guard.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's just a natural human thing. Over to you, Roger, ma'am.
Speaker 8: You ever hunt arrowheads Indian artifacts?
Speaker 9: I have found them, and we used to hunt them
years ago. What we would do when my uncle they
were getting the tobacco fields ready and there's a heavy
We found places where they made them beside little brooks
and even pretty sure I know where two mounds are
barrel mounds that nobody knows. It's been on private property
for sixty or seventy years or longer. And I didn't
know what they were until I saw those on that
just trace. But I don't go into the creeks as
much I found them, you know, I just don't get
out and do it.
Speaker 3: I would love to, yeah, but.
Speaker 8: Well I grew up. I grew up from my earliest.
Some of my earliest memories are being out just surface
hunting for arrowheads. And when but when you're first learning,
or if somebody wants you to, they'll say, teach me
how to find an arrowhead m and you take them
out and they'll be literally standing on top of one
but can't see it mm hmmm, not trained, and they'll
be picking up every kind of rock that's vaguely arrowhead shaped.
But once it clicks, once they see that shape, the
way it's thin, the way it's napped, the way it looks,
even if it's just a tip sticking out of the ground,
they'll know. Until that eye gets trained to what to
look for, you know, they're they're blind to it.
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 9: I think I have seen Katie, people miss very large
I mean not just you know, bigfoot or anything like that,
but people are so distracted they they miss things that
you know, I'll see it. You didn't see that back there? No,
And I think you're right. I talked about it a
couple of shows ago. I don't remember if it was
this one about people. You know, when you first start
deer hunting and you're kind of looking too high for them,
and then you start, like you said, you know what
to look for. You know what to look for angles.
The most time, you don't see a deer the full body.
You pick out angles, you know, and and movement. And
I think maybe possibly with these things, people are looking
too low.
Speaker 3: Because they because they kind of blend in.
Speaker 9: You know, we've both seen them, maybe the same individual
try to blend in. It caught out an open and
they'll they'll do they'll do what they can. And we'll
get into that later in the show. But let's go
ahead and tell everybody what what happened when y'all moved
to the new place, and just start from there, and
I'll just let you let it turn you loose.
Speaker 8: Well, we got moved in, and like I said, from
the get go, it was weird, been weird ever since
we started, probably later towards more towards the end of February,
first March. Hearing howls and that it does a coll
whatever they are, whatever it is, it does a strange
call that sounds like a dog. You know how a
dog will bark, and it's usually more than just a
one bark. It's a couple you know, wolf wolf. Well,
they do this thing and you can it sounds like
a dog bark, except the dog would be about the
size of a rama bull, right, and it's like a
half of I call it a half bark because it's
just one wolf. Tough they'll do that. We were hearing
sounds like that, and a lot of howls at night
and you know, John and I both we have a
good idea what it was, but what were we going
to do about it? Go out and that's kindly stop,
you know, and we we're dealing with that mostly sounds
and noises. And then as it got into March, I
would see dark things. Now, this field behind my house
length from the back of my house to where the
woods starts about two hundred yards and it's probably about
three point fifty from side to side, and it's surrounded
on all sides except you know, where our house is at,
and our backyard runs down into it by woods, and
the very back edge goes down into what I call
a holler that has a creek at the bottom of it,
and there's a hump in the middle of the field
from our backyard. It goes out, then it humps up,
and then it starts dropping down, and then it really
starts dropping off. It kind of terraces down some steep
terraces that are wooded down to this creek at the
bottom of that holler. And I don't know how deep
it is because I ain't going down there. Then off
to the left side of the back of the house
is it's more level. It does drop off some, but
it's a wider place that's level with trees. And then
to the right it drops off pretty sharp and down
into a gully, and I would see things off to
the left side because that was actually ground out straight
out of the back. It's actually what I'm looking at
is the middle parts to the upper parts of trees,
because they're growing up that slope, and they're fairly tp
trees from the ground up, but I can only see about,
you know, from the middle of them up and they're good.
They're easily forty to sixty foot tall trees.
Speaker 9: Right, So something standing off down in there. You're seeing
the top part, and then the trees are coming to
play at little later, y'all.
Speaker 8: To come up. They have to come up to the
top for me to actually be able to see them,
because there's a little bit of flat park before it
starts dropping off. Most often I see them up in
the trees, but off to the left there's a little
more shelf of land before it drops off, so I
will be seeing things over there, just black things moving.
And then one day in March, the first of April,
I saw something big and black standing. The trees hadn't
started leafing out good yet and there was just something
huge and black standing over there, and you know, I
did a may which was run getting the house whatever
it is, I don't know, I don't want to know,
and just seeing things like that, but mostly hearing things
at dark. And then it was Easter, not Mother's Day.
I kept saying Mother's Day with Mark, but it was
the Easter. Was the last good day that we had rain,
and that was right at the first of April, that
first weekend in April, and then we can get rain
for another month. Basically we'd get a little shower, a
little five or ten minute shower, but to get good
rain we did not get. We got one day of
good rain at the beginning of May and then another day.
But then over the last month it's really been raining. Saying, yeah,
we were in a drought. We weren't getting any rain,
and all the water was, you know, the little side streams.
There's a lot of streams and gullies that have little
creeks flowing through them up here. They don't always show
on a map, but that's just because there's so many
of them and they're small. But they started, you know,
drying up. Things were getting pretty dry, and I believe
that created a situation in which whatever was back there
was guarding that the bigger stream, the creek, because it
was a still moving water source even during that period
of drought. And you know, we were sitting out in
the driveway. John he's working on a four by six,
a gator, and we're sitting out there, and it was
just just before dark, you know, probably again, things always
started up between around seven pm. Here it's getting later now,
so it's because it's staying light later, but at that
time it would start around seven pm. Rackets, noises. I
have not heard a wood knock yet, but I ain't
been listening from one and the We were sitting out
there working and we heard what sounded like what I
call if you ever heard a bull when it's we
call it bulling. Usually if there's a cow and heat nearby,
or another bull they're trying to check, they'll do that low,
deep rumble. We heard something come from out by like that,
and it kind of startled me and I was like,
what was that? And I had no sooner got what
was that out of my mouth than the whole wood
back over there just lit up with what sounded like
monkey screeches that sounded like a zoo, and I tried
to record it, but even worse on my phone than
my camera is my microphone. And it went on for
the first about fifteen seconds. Everything was stunned, you know,
there was just you know, we were just listening. And
then I was trying to walk towards the back to
I want to walk out in the backyard, but I
was gonna walk towards the back to see if I
could catch it on my microphone or with my microphone,
and then the crows started up. It got the crows
in the fit because there's a lot of crows around here,
and it kind of covered it up. But I called
that the monkey chorus, and it went on nearly a minute.
My neighbor that lives to the right of me, he
finally come out and shot a shotgun and a few
seconds after that it cut up.
Speaker 3: Oh lord, So he just he came out.
Speaker 9: Just like it matter of factly and just like get
him to shut up, like he's heard it before.
Speaker 3: It was kind of calm or I don't know.
Speaker 8: I can't see his house. He lives with the skill
from me, and there's trees between us, but I can
hear his shotguns, and he's got several. And but after
he had been going on probably about a good forty
forty five seconds, he finally shot the shotgun. And you know,
it stopped a few seconds after that, and I see
what he was doing. You know, he shot it up
in the air. I could tell that. If you've been
around guns long enough, you can tell somebody's shot it up.
But just to get the racket to shut up, I guess.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean I've heard instances where that sound, you know,
I know it's associated with primates when they're feeding and
they get into a tizzy, you know.
Speaker 8: Ye.
Speaker 9: And I've heard several people talk about the same thing,
the same sound going on when they're hunting, or you know,
they've walked up on them while they're hunting, and you know,
you've got that water source back there, and everything's got
a drink, so it's a it's a good place to hunt,
good place to find something to eat. So but so
that just confirmed, you know that you have more than
one when you hear multiple.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we knew there was something back there.
We couldn't we couldn't put a label to what, but
it was something out of the ordinary, and but that
was that what I call the monkey chorus happened that
night and we just shook our heads. I mean, like
I said, once again, what am I going to do?
Go out and ask him politely to stop. No, and
like I said, he John was. Me and John were
working on the gator. Well the next day we had
he'd got the gator running and he was wanting to
test to see if it was cooling, like if its
fan was coming on and staying on. So we took
it out and I didn't really want to go, but
I'm paranoid, and I'm like, I know as soon as
I said, let him go out, there was something will happen.
So I rode with him and we got about halfway
around it, and he stopped to make sure that the
fan would stay going or we're kick off or cooks on,
whatever it does. That's above and beyond my head. And
I got out of the gator and where we're right
there at that edge that drops off and looks down,
and I was looking. I got to what I call idiot,
I got an idiot streak going on, and I said,
I'm gonna go there and look and see if I
can find any you know, tracks or anything. I didn't
really have high expectations because most of the ground is
covered with you know, litter and duff leaf litter and duff,
but there's a few bare spots. But it hadn't rained,
so I didn't really have any high hopes. But I
had got my phone out and I was carrying it
and I had it on and I had the camp
had it on the camera because if I saw anything,
I was gonna take a picture. And I got close
to the edge and I'm looking down into that the
holler that down at this big pile, big pile big trees,
trees you know, two three feet round that are laying
down there. And I'm sitting there thinking, you know, maybe
that's from you know, Helene or whatever. And I noticed
a motion down in it that looked to me. When
I first saw it, I thought a bird, like maybe
a hawk or a blackbird or maybe even an owl
was down in that mess of down trees and was
stretching its wing, you know how a bird will stretch
its wing out. I saw that motion and I was
focusing and I'm looking at it and I'm like, why's
that bird? Wait a minute, because I thought the bird
had left its wings stretched out, and when I looked,
after a couple of seconds, the whole picture came in
and I realized I was looking at these long fingers,
and then I kind of, I wouldn't say, widened my
gaze out, but I kind of took a better glimpse
than I could see a face. And I realized that
what was happening was something had taken its hand and
pushed down a limb, and that was the motion that
I saw. And then I saw the whole picture. And
because I had my camera already on and in my hand,
I just put it up, snapped a picture, and then
haw butt.
Speaker 9: So we want to show the picture. It's pixelated because
you said it was like eighty or ninety feet away.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So we'll, Amanda bring that picture up and we'll
look at it a little bit, all right.
Speaker 3: So one do you have? Do you have the one
where I have the fingers circle? Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 10: I had both of them, one here, just so we
had the original and then the one.
Speaker 3: Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 9: So when I first saw the picture, it took me
a little bit, but when I saw it, I was like,
oh my god, So that would be probably the left hand.
I'm guessing.
Speaker 8: Well, that picture of that incident, that picture I took
about oh later.
Speaker 9: Oh okay, so the other picture did it have the
better You could almost see the fingernails, Yes, you can see, Yes,
that's the one I saw with when you were talking
to Mark green Man.
Speaker 3: I must have missed that one.
Speaker 9: Sorry, but but but the yeah, the other we'll get
that picture and show it sometime. But that that picture,
the other one you could y'all, I'm telling you, I'll
show it to you when I can. But you can
make out the fingernails, and you can make out almost
the knuckles, the you know. But this right here, if y'all,
so Katie, was this one doing something with its tongue?
Speaker 3: Is that what we're seeing?
Speaker 8: This happened about a week and a half later. John
and I had been in the backyard work and I had,
like I said, we sat down on the back courch
to take a break, and I'm looking out across this
field and it looks to me I'm saying, something dark
and then it starts looking like this big, like me
out of car sized thing. This one in this picture
is much smaller than the one that I saw that
was down the hill and it looks like it's climbing
a tree. And I'm watching and I'm like, yeah, I
know what that is. I'm like, I got a pretty
good at it and what that is. I pulled my
picture out my camera and I started taking pictures, pull
my phone out, and it's sitting there and I'm watching it.
And my eyes seem much better than my camera does.
I can see pretty good at a long distance. And
I'm watching this thing and it looks like it's getting,
you know it. It looks to me like it gets
bigger than a little bit smaller than bigger and a
little bit smaller. And what this one is actually doing
is it had climbed in the tree, but because it
was at the you know, near the top of the
tree where there's narrower more narrow you know, limbs and
part of the trunk, it was almost like it was
tree peeking, but it didn't have enough to peek around right,
you know, And it reached up and with its that
I think you that would have been its left hand,
and the other picture you can see where its right
arm is up and holding you know, a a limb
above it. And again it reached up but it didn't
do this motion. It was just you know of this
and stuck itself out and stuck its face. You can
see there.
Speaker 9: And the nose, I mean, and I know once you
see it, I can make out like around the nose,
like I have these indentions right here. I can see
the indentions the mouth, the big nose, the eye sockets.
And you said the head was looks round here, but
it's kind of it's pointed.
Speaker 8: And it's it's a hump. It's like I said, it's
like a shoulder to shoulder hump. And the face there's
much more like of that hump above the head and
the faces down in it, and it will like it's
either sticking its tongue out or got its lips something
doing something.
Speaker 9: So we now, I don't have any of the other pictures.
I'm sorry. Can I show them sometime later?
Speaker 8: Absolutely?
Speaker 9: Okay, Well I'll get with you and get the ones
that you can make out the fingernails and the fingers
on the other encounter, Uh, this one this here, you
said it was the size of a Miata car almost
black climbing. Yeah, that's crazy. And when we'll I'll go
over it with you I've been kind of busy, so
I apologize everybody. I thought this was the picture. But
the other one's pretty incredible. So going back to where
you took the picture before, what what was it doing
on the first one when you, uh, when you saw
the and what she's talking about, y'all is like the
fingers doing doing this. So she saw the moat the
motion and you said the thumb was it's the thumb.
Speaker 8: The thumb on the one I saw when I was
a nine, I said, I knew it had a weird thumb,
mm hmm. And the thumb on this one, it looked
like it's set out about several inches away from wisted
the fingers. But their hands are so broad, they're so broad,
it's like two and a half wrong man hands. Yeah, please,
So it's hard to guess, guess to make. But the
thumb seems like it sticks out way out, like it's
just broad like where our fore fingers are. It would
be like double that within with the thumb on the side.
M yeah.
Speaker 10: One of the famous handprint cast, one of Paul Freeman's
ones of a big hand. They actually have a copy
of it where I work. And uh, the like you said,
the thumb of it is in such a weird, odd position.
You know, it's obviously humanoid looking, but it's also something's
how you say, it's it just ain't right, you know,
So yeah, it's it's it's You hear that a lot.
I've heard that from other witnesses and stuff. How if
they've seen the hands and there's just something off about it.
Speaker 3: The So go back. That was my mistake.
Speaker 9: Go back to the first one that you took a
picture of and tell us Finish, tell us telling us
what was.
Speaker 8: Well, like I said, it was just that fast when
I saw what I thought was a bird stretching its
wing out and I'm looking down at it and it
was hanging there and I'm like, you know, your bird
usually stretch it swing, then pull it back in. And
I'm like, it's just kind of hanging there and I'm thinking,
what's wrong with that bird? And it was just a
couple of seconds, you know. Then like I said, the
whole picture came through and I'm like, I'm seeing that
you know of this, And that's another thing. It seems
like it's got prehants, whole fingers. I mean, it just
looked like I don't know if it's just because they're
so big, they hang different than hours. I don't know,
but it looked like it was. There was a tree
in front of it that look to be about three
to four inches around, and I had these first three
fingers around that tree, and these two fingers pushing down
the limb, and then there were other limbs. And when
I saw when I realized, I'm like, I'm looking at fingers,
you know, it hit me. It's just like that. I'm like,
those are fingers. And then I kind of just like
my whole attention backed out and I saw all of
the rest of it, and I could see its face.
Now the picture I snapped it had moved some so
there's more branches in the way of its face.
Speaker 9: But what's incredible is even watching on my phone when
Mark showed the picture and you were kind of directing
the when I saw the what looked like fingernails, it
was almost like they were reflecting light a little bit,
you know, you could tell it was a different texture
than the skin. And I'm like, oh my god, that
is crazy. And that's a teaser, y'all. I'll try to
show them at the first of the show next week.
But that was actually a pretty good picture, Katie. That
was a good job.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's hard to get them, but.
Speaker 8: I mean it was just and it was split, you know. I,
Like I said, I already had my phone out. These
are my only qualifiers. I had went out looking to
see if I could see tracks because I knew there
were coming back there. Did I expect to see something
back there? No, you wouldn't. You could have dubbed me
down there with wild horses if I thought that that
thing was going to be down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And like I said, I took a streak at idiot
and just decided to do a little bit of idiot here,
a little bit there. But I'm walking along the edge
looking down at the ground for tracks, and I won't
saying nothing. But in case I did see something, I
already had my phone out and was holding it in
my hand. And that was my only qualifiers that I
already had that. Otherwise, if I hadn't, if I had
to stand there and feel in my pocket and pull
my phone out, that picture would have never happened. Yeah,
ever happened because I was gone.
Speaker 3: Did it? Did it? Did it move or make any noises?
Speaker 8: Uh? Kiny noises? But it was moving. It was kind
of doing its head inside. I never saw any up
and down but at the side to side motion and
a slight turning. When I got the picture, it had
started turning its head. Okay, was light reflecting off the skin.
Once I saw it for what, you know, when it
moved that limb and I could see more of it.
I could see more skin detail. Its nose was very
square and box like in just immense like they must
up to be.
Speaker 9: And well, that picture we just showed you can tell
it might be the same individual, possibly because it located
out of boxy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, their brothers are father and son, but.
Speaker 10: The related somehow, right.
Speaker 8: It was much smaller than the one down, the one
down in the hole. I mean, I quit trying to
take in inches and haul but you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well I'm glad you did. But now I tried to.
Speaker 9: I got a description, and I tried to make an AI,
which a lot of people you know, like, well, you know,
I can't draw. So I took Katie's description through Misty
and typed it in exactly like Misty told me that
or I think she showed me the messages, and so
what came up.
Speaker 3: Shocked me.
Speaker 9: Because the one that I saw in South Alabama a
couple of days after you did, in the same area.
It reminded me of that one, and Manda, if you
can show that one facing forward, it's it's exaggerated a
little bit, but that that okay. So if you take
the head and move it up somewhere, you can see
the point of the head like it was sitting straight back.
What I saw if you're looking from behind, the muscles
were similar, but not as defined. And that hump hid
the ear and it had turned its head away from
the road, and it drew its arms in tight and
its legs and it's sitting there. It's over six foot
toss sitting there.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And I could see through the hair to the skin.
The skin looked very thick. It was I could see
the the graininess of the skin. It was more gray
than black, but you know, it wasn't light gray. And
I drove on past it and then went down and
turned around and came back and it was gone. And
Katie had I'm just getting to I want to I
want to put in, Amanda the next picture, if you.
Speaker 3: Would wear the sunlight.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so this is not perfec but so he was
off the road a little bit down the hill a
little and there was a creek. And the only reason
I saw him was because that sunlight. It was, you know,
ninety five degrees, right, Katie. Approximately it was hot, muggy, awful,
and I assume he was down by the creek trying
to get cool, but that light beam of light coming
through the canopy hit him on that shoulder. This is
not perfect. I couldn't see the ear, but that's ninety percent.
Speaker 3: Of what I saw.
Speaker 9: And loo, I looked at that shoulder and the side
of the head and those big muscles, which doesn't show
it here. It's like the other picture when katie description
popped up and I saw it, Oh my god, that's
kind of what I saw, but from the back angle,
you know. And you know, Katie had told about them
seeing one a couple of days earlier in the same spot,
a big guy, And I just wanted to show this
because I wouldn't have had this idea if you had
to give the description.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think anything about it.
Speaker 9: And as soon as I saw it, you know, I
was like, well, I got to try and make this
tongue stick out, because that's what you said but you
said it was similar, except it had, of course had
a hair.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you put hair on you over that picture
or onto that picture, it would create being at like
you said ninety five percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The hump the head and the hump are you know,
always hard to articulate because I've never seen it on
anything but one of them. I just don't have the
words to articulate how it's. It's a head. It doesn't
have a neck or you can't see a neck.
Speaker 10: It's almost like the trap muzzles come from wave done
here all the way up to like the back of
the head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, around the around the ear area. Uh.
Speaker 9: I believe the muscles might have been well, I know
he had his head turned away from me, but I
feel like it kind of hid the because here's here's
what I was thought I was looking at. So that
is a little exaggerated with the head dropped down, right,
but it is it y'all these things the head sets
out and down and these muscles come up and the
shoulders the look I got, I realized, well, maybe these
things are really really thick skin. That's why you don't
see the the cut. Like I said, this picture, you
know what I mean? The definition. They're definitely big. They're
just head better than a than a bodybuilder.
Speaker 8: Under the ones I've seen and got at the one
I seen that I got a good look at in retrospect,
I almost wonder if like that hump would come forward
at some port or the their head would sink back
into it. I don't know, but if you think of
like somebody like say Arnold Schwarzenegger or a human bodybuilder,
you see a little bit of their shoulder and some
of their shoulder come out, and then you see like
this muscle here, what do you call it, the trapezias.
It starts up and it can be thick and it
can be big, but it only goes up to a
certain point on their neck, and then it starts moving
up on these beings, these creatures, it just it just
continues into a hump and you it's like it goes
behind the head. You can see the features of the
head within that hump itself. Yeah, I don't know if
that's like a fat hump that they live on muscle
or what you know, like babies have what they call
brown fat at the back of their neck when they're
first born.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I still got it.
Speaker 10: Here's too art prints. I was just working on pulling
up that I just randomly found off art, trying to
find descriptions of where you here for people, how the
head is so much lower down than the trap muscles.
So I don't know if this is anything similar or not,
but I wanted to give some audience kind of idea.
Speaker 3: And see how the head the head is.
Speaker 9: So see the back of the neck, how the slope
of the back of the neck comes up, and you
have the point and then you see we can straighten
our head up and we can turn and look left
or right and put our shoulders. The one I saw
in eighty five didn't do that. It turned its head slightly,
but it dipped a shoulder and bent at the waist
to turn and look at me. So I'm thinking, maybe
they don't have the range of motion as we do.
And looking at this illustration right here makes total sense
the thing that I saw, and Katie her description makes
total sense. You hear a lot of people get a
glimpse of one and they'll say, had no neck, Well,
they have a neck.
Speaker 3: I just feel like they're built different than we are.
Speaker 8: But from what I not but be extended this way
liked further forward.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you remember, Amanda, when we interviewed M. K.
Davis the first.
Speaker 9: Time and we went over the film, you remember the chin,
Patty's chin was out over her breast, out pasted.
Speaker 10: It was so far forward.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 9: So you we don't have you know, some people it
was a suit. Well I want to see the person
getting in that suit because the net would have to
be two foot long exactly. But those are great details.
Speaker 3: KT.
Speaker 9: I'm glad. I'm glad you're telling people because it confirms
what I've seen. It confirms what multiple witnesses have seen.
If we can kind of put it together, I'm gonna
get Dannadrello. We had him on a few shows back.
I sent him those two pictures I made and he's
going to try to combine them and draw it out.
So that would be awesome if yeah, he can do that.
And that's why these stories are need to be shared. Uh,
maybe maybe we can make people understand we don't have
the words to really describe it the way it was,
but maybe they can see, you know, we're seeing this
and you know the ones that all.
Speaker 3: It was a bear definitely was not a bear. But
so what else is what else has happened while you've
been there?
Speaker 8: And after lots of things, I mean I always Flacken
clashes out at the end of the field. I've gotten
now to where I just don't look because I don't
want don't blame me there. Almost two weeks ago, we
got a van. I was out washing the van and
I couldn't help be looking out that direction because where
the van was parked, and I saw this once again.
I don't have the words that were like a shout,
shadowy area that was darker than the rest of it,
and I'm looking at it. I'm kind of giving it
the gimlet I and it looks like it starts growing.
It just grew into an oval and it kept growing
and growing. And after I watched it grow for about
five seconds, I said, you know, check this farley. I'm
out and went on in the house. I'm like, I
don't want to know what's going on. I don't die it.
I don't want to know it. I don't want to
be sitting in the barbecue shack and have aneurism.
Speaker 9: Like you know, y'all, she's making fun, but it's like
she's as nervous as I am, because but the thing is,
she's seen them, she knows how big they are, and
it's up to them to be nice, because if they're not,
there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, it's
just there. That's the one thing, the hardest thing I've
ever had to do is try to explain the size
and mass and well, I know.
Speaker 3: So I got a phone call.
Speaker 9: I was going to tell this earlier, but I got
a phone call this past weekend and a kid that
I coached in youth football, he same age as my son,
and my son was at a house with him, and
he heard somebody made a joke. And there was two
people walking across the field close to dark way out there,
and there was people and none of them knew about
Peyton's experiences and all that, and one of them said, oh, look,
there's a couple of bigfoot. Well I'm not going to
say his name, but he said he heard him say.
He looked up and he said, not they make bigfoot
ain't big enough. And so Peyton said, I need to
see if he's joking. I need to talk to him
away from everybody. So long story short, he said, how
do you know about bigfoot? And he said, man, I've
seen two of them on our farm and it's where
Peyton has been the hunting, and they've had things happen
with noises, and you know, they can't explain. They were
out walking one night with their flashlight, probably fifteen years old,
and Peyton came back and told me about they saw
something really tall and black in the field just out
of the light but the eye shine was really wide
apart and they you know, did you know I didn't
raise an idiot. He did what we do, Katie. He
took off back to the to the truck. But so
this kid, he is like two thousand acres and I
talked to him, and the bad part is it's two
miles from where I'm sitting.
Speaker 8: Wow, it's little close for comfort.
Speaker 3: Little too.
Speaker 9: I've took reports from you know, five miles away in
all but that hitting cloak.
Speaker 3: But we got access and we made a plan.
Speaker 9: We're gonna go one Saturday and showing him what to
look for because he's seriously about wanting to know. Because
he pulled up on his fo wheeler at his deer
stand and uh, fourteen years ago and that reminded me
when you said it started getting bigger twenty yards away.
He turned his fo wheler off and he's looking towards
his deer stand and just to the side off in
the woods, he said, one of them stood up. He said,
he's looking at right in the eyes for a good
two seconds, and then he turns the key back on,
fires it up, and he's gone. And then the second
time he saw one, he was fishing. They have pretty
big ponds, and he'd been sitting there a long time
by himself and was gonna drive around to the other
side to see if they're biting over there. And he
said when he started the foiler and looked up, it
was a pretty good ways away, but it was standing there.
Speaker 3: And it turned.
Speaker 9: Now, he don't watch these shows, he doesn't get into this.
He said, it dropped to all fours and just exploded
through the field away from him. So we've got access
to that. There's a cave opening. It's like ten to
twelve foot tall and big.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go. We're gonna go see if and
his daddy's seen something too, but he won't. He wouldn't
tell him about it, right, So I wanted to put
that out there.
Speaker 9: I will, I will take video and I want to
show him what to look for, and then we may
go at night with and get a fire going, or
sit in a truck or something. But I didn't mean
to interrupt Katie, but that reminded me. That was one
of the coolest phone calls because I know this kid.
I know he's not a exaggerator. I know you know
he's not. I know I coached him, I grew he
grew up around my son, so I believe him. And
so anyway, all right.
Speaker 8: Gonta do all that. Y'all gonna go set up the
fire and set up out there.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to scouting first. I'm gonna get the
lay of the land, and I won't know all the exits.
I don't I'm not just going out there blind at night,
not knowing where everything's at.
Speaker 8: Son, you want to be crazy like that for you
said you.
Speaker 10: Didn't want to to antagonize anything. Now you're gonna go
to a lot of fire.
Speaker 3: Well, well that's the thing. That's what I told him.
Speaker 9: I said, we're I don't want to go out there
and and stir them up. I want to go out
there and do what we usually do. Be easy about it.
We're not going to be whooping and hollering and hitting trees.
I said, if if we find an area that's possible
that they, you know, come around, we'll just sit there
and let them come to us if they want to.
Speaker 3: You know, we're I said.
Speaker 9: I I used to go out and scream and hollering
stuff like that, and I just don't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: You don't anything that big. You don't want to make
it mad.
Speaker 9: And you know, Katie, where you moved into, that's their
home turf, you know, that's their home, right.
Speaker 8: They were here before us, They were coming through here
before us, you know, at least. Yeah, I don't know
if they posted up permanently back there. I kind of
hope not, and uh, I really hope not. But you know,
I hope this is just a seasonal thing. But it's
been I want to own now for you know, the entire
time we've been here so far. But you know, I
don't know. I'd be screaming and hollering and to Roger,
but not in the way you would think.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, And and look.
Speaker 9: When you know somebody, you know, we've we've john you, Heather,
We've we've been around a lot of people in chat.
We've all been around each other, and I feel connected
to you in a way because we've had weird things happen.
And we saw the same thing the night that. You know,
You're sitting on the tailgate and I'm sitting in a
chair looking up at you, and I see that red orban.
You know, at first I thought it might be a star,
so I didn't say anything. I'm leaning and looking making
sure it wasn't, because you know, we're on that ridge. Yeah,
and I've seen stars, Mars and stuff, you know, Oh,
that's just a start where this thing was moving. Yeah,
And I asked, Katie, asked us, y'all see that red light?
And she turned around and and right at first.
Speaker 8: Well, the first I was looking at about our top
height level. I wasn't looking at and I was like,
I don't really see And I turned back and I
looked at you, and I noticed that you were like
looking further up than I was. So I turned back
and looked. And as soon as I looked, I saw
it and I was like, oh, that.
Speaker 3: Was probably what half dollar size maybe red light.
Speaker 8: Yep, golf ball. To me, it was about like maybe
a little bigger than a golf ball when I.
Speaker 9: Saw it, and y'all, it wasn't It wasn't something floating
on the wind. It was it was moving and it
was going up trees and coming around, just like the
orb we caught later. It was just a a little
while later when y'all left. Katie hit the ground running,
but she said, it's time to go where stuff started.
But it was moving the same way it was. Now,
this wasn't through a camera. We with our eyes, and
we're not the only ones that saw it. A couple
of people walked off, it's time to go, cleared out,
left us sitting there.
Speaker 3: But but you know, when you have something happen.
Speaker 9: And you're with people, like what happened at the l
BL with Gary, or what happened with Coombo and the
crew that night we were out, it's an awesome experience.
It's scary, but it's awesome because you were all there
and you experienced it, and I kind of feel, you know,
and the thing that I saw and I came back,
I really didn't want to talk about it because, oh,
Roger's got a big foot show, you know. But we're
in the area where they're at and where things have
happened and I really didn't want to say anything, so
I told Troy first. And when when I said it,
I said, it looked like it turned and sat down
and pulled its arms in and its legs and turned
its head. He looked at me, he said, you know
they do that, right, I'm like, I know, he said.
He said, I've seen them do it multiple times. They
get caught out and open like that. They will do
the best they can until you go by or walk
bout whatever.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 9: A matter of fact, Katie had something happen, you know,
like a couple of days ago, similar and you came
up and you were telling me and you said the
orange root balls.
Speaker 3: I knew exactly where you're talking about.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I said, I know, I know exactly because it
was just past that where the creek was at. And
Katie tells us about what they saw. And I'm sitting
there shaking my head like why do I do this
because it's but you see, what I'm saying is kind
of a you know people's personality, you know their character,
and I'm not saying it holds more weight than other people.
You just don't know them, right. And I feel connected
to her too, because we're both chicken.
Speaker 8: Chicken yells her back runs a date.
Speaker 9: But but the thing is, you know, I've done things
out of character for me when things happen, and you
walking down to look for tracks had to be a huge,
huge thing.
Speaker 3: For you.
Speaker 8: Guys. The idiot in May it control for a few minutes.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what's wrong with me.
Speaker 9: But y'all, I'll i'll definitely I'll get those pictures and
I'll make sure I got the right ones and i'll
get it, you know, blown up or we.
Speaker 3: Can see it here. But I thought I had that picture.
Speaker 9: I feel bad because, you know, one of those moments
when I'm looking at it on Mark Show and I'm
leaning in looking at it and I'm like, oh my god,
I see fingernails. That's that's big.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 3: Now you had something.
Speaker 9: We're not gonna go real long tonight because I wanted
to document this, h because this is kind of recent,
and we did want to talk about the how they're
the ones we saw were built.
Speaker 3: Now I don't think probably all of them are not
like that.
Speaker 9: I saw something in Alabama just a little while back.
It was tall and thin and black from head to
toe and I saw three steps, and I.
Speaker 3: Off Greg's in here.
Speaker 9: I didn't want to say anything because I but Peyton remembered.
I said, Greg, there's not supposed to be anybody way
back here, is it? And he said no, it was
his private land way back. We'd almost got killed going
into jeep back there, and I'm looking and I said, Peyton,
you remember how quiet I was when we went up
to the cave opening, because that's where it was coming from.
And then it turned and went away from us, and
I don't know. It looked like it faded out, but
it could have walked into the brush because it was
pretty wide open there. And but we were in that
jeep bouncing, you know, bouncing and going by trees and stuff.
But I clearly saw something pretty tall, solid black, but
it confused because it was thin. So I don't know
where we can put a cookie cutter. Hey, this is
what they look like, you know, because I don't think
I think they're like us.
Speaker 3: I think they look different.
Speaker 8: I have I think they have commonalities, but otherwise they're
as individual as people are.
Speaker 9: And they're right yep, And now she has another picture.
I want if I can get permission, I don't have it,
but I'd like to show it the next show.
Speaker 3: The one behind the hay bales.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll say it.
Speaker 9: I've you know, I went over that pretty extensively, and
it's it's eerie looking, y'all. And and you know she's
not saying it's a big foot, but everything fit and
it was behind the hayballs roundbells. I hey, and you
can tell it's pretty massive. How how tall did you
guess that that one possibly was?
Speaker 3: I am go did measure?
Speaker 8: Oh no, I didn't do nothing. I didn't even see
it when I got that picture. I didn't even see
it until after I had taken the picture. That was
a little and my doubt my daughter actually saw it.
And I think the incident, you know, where I had
seen something black and dark go over those stacked tabells
that just oozed over it. And when I took that picture,
I had come back over an hour a little over
an hour later, and I was taking pictures of the
haybells to show my husband what I was talking about.
And I was pulled off on the side of the
highway and when I literally just had my phone up
in front of me and was snapping pictures through the
windshield and more looking back over my shoulder because I
thought an eighteen wheeler was gonna come and knock my
tail end off. So I was not really paying attention
to what I was taking a picture of. And I
think that's why I didn't see it at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that morning.
Speaker 9: You ever get gut feelings, thank you drop. Yeah, you're
like me, you know, Amanda, the same way you get
get those eerie feelings and stop and look around you well,
and you know, I know deer hunting and stuff like that.
You know, now, quail are different. They're scary. You walk
up on them, they'll flush.
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 9: It's simple, you know, as deer, they'll they'll lay there
in a sage grass and let you walk by.
Speaker 3: And if these.
Speaker 9: Things when you first looked at this one after the
fingers moved and it took you a couple of seconds
to get the whole picture because you're focused on that
hand there you thought were feathers now. If you were
walking by, probably never would have you know, never would
have seen it. So I think a lot of times
these things blend in so well they notice that.
Speaker 8: Still I didn't see anything down in that pile of brush,
I was looking at in that pile of brush, and
I don't know what it's thought process was. Don't pretend
to know. But if I don't know, if it it's
fingers weren't already hanging there, I have the feeling that
it had reached around and I caught that otion. If
I hadn't seen that, I would have I had already
been looking down in the pile of brush, and I
didn't say nothing.
Speaker 9: Are you Okay, We're going back to the very first
time you ever saw one and tell us a little
bit about that, and then we'll we'll end it after that.
But like I said, I want to get this documented
time and date and all that.
Speaker 3: But back, how old were you?
Speaker 8: I was about to turn ten?
Speaker 3: Okay, tell us a little bit about that before we go.
Speaker 8: My family and not hiking in the ri Mountains in
North Carolina, and we're hiking around, had been hiking most
of the morning. I was the only kid in a
group of adults, and we had stopped to eat lunch
lunch and just take a little break, and I needed
to use the bathroom. So I told my parents that
I was going to go find a tall bush, which
is you know, code speker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, country talk, Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I went off and there was in it. The
land was ripley, and there was a couple of little
gully you know, like the end of a holler, like
how a holler starts, you know. There was about two
maybe three of those. I went through away from where
they were sitting at, and the land at the time
we were hanging on was it was controlled by Alcoa,
and they had service roads cut for their for whatever
they run on service roads, golf carts, hot wheels, I
don't know, but they had little narrow tracks cut. And
I got to where one of those gully ripples had
been cut, like the end of They had cut it
for the road to come through. So it went down
and then it dropped sharp like sharper down It was
a slope, and then it dropped sharp for they had
cut the dirt back to make that the track go
around the curve to start coming back. And there was
that the edge of the trees at the top where
I was standing, that kind of semi cleared field, probably
two to three foot tall, weeds and grass in it,
and then that cut and then the road, and then
on the other side of the road it was like
it is back here. It's still going downhill. It's still
downhill and with trees, but there's a little bit of
a verge, just a little bit before it starts dropping down.
And I went to the top of that clearing, and
I figured I was doing pretty good because I was
up in the woods where I would see anybody before
they saw me. I figured, you know, I was. I
took care of business, and when I went to go
stand up, before I even looked up and saw it,
I had the sense of something just not being right,
and I kind of glanced up, and so as I
glanced up, I could see it across the road, down
that hill, and across the road was just this immense
I can't peg how tall it was. I can't tell
you how tall it was, because the last thing I
was thinking was how tall is it? It was, how
big is it? And it was immense. I mean, like
two at least two full grown men, two big front
grown men, white or wider. I couldn't I don't recall
seeing below like mid thigh or just above the knee.
I don't have any recollection of if it even had feeded.
It could have just been, you know, stumpy for all
I know. I don't know, but it did harve that long.
I was looking at what was its right hand, and
it was just hanging there, and it was kind of
not like how humans hand just hang down and you
all see the back of them or the side of them.
It was more rotated out. I remember it being that
like if it was in the would have been reaching,
but it was just it was not square on with me.
It was full kind of to the left, like kind
of turned. But it was just huge, immense, blacker than
any than any black I've ever seen. It had that
shoulder to shoulder hump with the head like like kind
of in the middle of that hump, just the face
and had you can tell it had a head. I
don't remember seeing ears. The hair was the longest at
the top of it's at that hump and the top
of its head, and it appeared like that hump went
above the head like it had some behind it a
little bit, because the head didn't appear pointed to me,
and I don't remember seeing ears. It didn't have hair
like its forehead wasn't like sloped. It wasn't as high
as ours, I would say, put it that way, but
it was kind of bald and then all that hair started.
It didn't look it didn't look messy. It didn't look groomed,
and it didn't look messy. Does that make sense. Yeah,
The hair kind of went in different directions. It wasn't
groomed straight or anything like that, but it did look
very clean and shiny. It had a shine quality to it,
like if you took a pencil and just colored in
one spot until it shone that great.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the light was reflecting off of Yeah,
some of the hair maybe like that.
Speaker 8: And also it had places on its chest that looked
like there was oil or water or something clumping some
of the hair together. Just like not dirty, but like
if there was like if you had oil in your
hair and it's sticking together. There were a couple of
little places like that that was on its chest and
you could see the skin through it, and it was
like you said, that dark not as dark as the hair,
but that dark gray. Yeah, very rough skin like cow work,
rougher than cow leather skin. Its face was that dark gray.
It didn't have hair pretty much from comparable from the
hairline to just below the cheek. Its cheeks were very broad,
but they didn't stick out. It wasn't like it wasn't
like they didn't have apple cheeks, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
but they did have high broad cheeks, or it did
have high broad cheeks. And its eyes. To me, the
head of it was so big. Maybe in you know,
looking at it, it would appear like it had wide
set eyes, but for the size of the head and
face that it was in that our eyes appeared close set,
you know, closer, and they were very deep, and they
were very black. I saw no whites at all. The nose,
like in the picture of the one that you showed tonight,
how it looked boxy on it was the one I
saw at that occasion was more triangular. And if you
ever look at a cat nose, a cat that has
a dark nose and it I have just a little
bit of pink that showed the skin. That's how it
was around at sin nostrils.
Speaker 10: It's like it had in very interesting detail.
Speaker 8: It had a long, long upper lip from the bottom
of the nose to and its mouth was you could
tell it was mouth, but it really it didn't have
lip shapes. It was just really broad, kind of loose
looking almost you know, just I don't know, because at
the time it was it was kind of moving its
lips a little bit. It didn't open its mouth. I
never saw teeth, but I do remember seeing the lips
kind of twitch and like I said, was sucking on
a piece of handy. Right, the hairstoted just below the cheek,
and it was much thinner, and it came down over
the jaw, the jaw the herd next to the thumb,
that out of place thumb. The other thing, I can't
explain how its chin looked. It had thin hair, very
you know, thin look cut of hair, but you can
still see the shape of the chin. And it didn't
have a chin and allline, but it didn't have this
like how we humans have this.
Speaker 9: So it's more like it came all around in the
same shape, curved shape.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was, Yeah, it didn't. It's it's chin was weird.
I don't have the words to communicate.
Speaker 3: That's okay, it's hard you're doing.
Speaker 10: You're doing a fantastic job. That's just drawing the picture
in my head. As you're describing the fact that you
remember so many details that such a young age and
so long ago. That's actually really could.
Speaker 8: It's burned into my memory. It's been in my head
three for forty plus. I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: So did the chest area did it look Maile?
Speaker 8: Oh it wasn't mail. I could say it's it's dangly mail.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Oh lord, well, I mean being nine years old.
And did you freeze?
Speaker 8: I didn't make a choice to freeze. I don't remember
making any time. I was just like stuck. I couldn't.
Speaker 3: You don't know what to do?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean completely, if it hadn't faded out, and
that's what it did, it just it faded out. I'm sorry.
It didn't walk away. It did. It didn't move, really,
it faded out it. I don't know how else to
put it. If it hadn't done that and broke the spell,
we'd still be standing there because I couldn't move. I
couldn't scream, I could, I couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3: Did you tell anybody when you got back?
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah, I told my mom and I was upset.
I mean the most upset I'd never been in my
life to that point. Imagine and you know how as
a kid and you're scared, something scared you, and you
get back to mom, dad and you feel a little better.
You might still be scared or upset, but you feel safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I didn't have that when I got back to my parents,
I didn't. I have never truly felt safe since then.
And I told my mother, I'm like you. I told her,
I said, a big, hairy, naked man, and and she
scoffed about it. You know, but there was a lot
going on, and you know, and in her life and
our family dynamics at that time. Yeah, you know, we're
just making up stories because you're bored. And I didn't
even I didn't even that didn't upset me. And I
was already so far into upset that I don't think
there's much that could have upset me more. I was like,
we need to go, you know, we need to leave.
Unfortunately we were leaving, you know, we had a waste
to hike back to the vehicles. But you know, it
was it was just I was miserable. I just remember
being middle. I mean, I threw up as soon as
I started returning to my senses and being aware of
anything else other than what I was seeing. I mean
I immediately just I threw up. And yeah, then I
don't remember getting back to the adults. I got back
to them, but I can't really remember anything other than
me and absolutely certain that that thing was going to
reach out at any point and grab me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because when when when there's a threat and you
can't see it, that's a that's another level of fear
that a lot of people don't get to, thank goodness,
don't get to experience. I've had a little bit of
that going and it's not a it's not a good feeling.
And I can imagine, you know, walking back, having to
turn your back to where it was and walk back
was terrifying. I appreciate you telling telling that, and I'll
mention this before we go backstage. I asked Katie about
the new neighbors. You know, they kind of keep it
hush hush, and you know, like they don't talk about
it like a lot of people don't. You know, you
don't put it out in the university. It won't make
the matter won't come you know, they won't come around.
But uh, you'are having trouble getting somebody to mow the
back ford the inch, don't.
Speaker 8: The landlord, my our landlord. He came up twice this
past weekend and drove around the house and finally he
stopped the second time, and we were right on the
front porch. He pulled up and he talked to us.
He said, has anybody come up here with the tractor?
And I'm like, no, well not the waste thing. And
he's like, well, I paid a fellow to mow my
feels meeting the one behind the house, and two that
he's got about a half mile down the road, the
lower fields. He said, he's moved them to down the field.
Quit down the road, and he quit and move it. Well.
He raked up a couple hours later he said, well,
I guess I'm gonna have to find somebody else to
mow these fields. He says he ain't gonna do it.
And I already told us there's a guy who leases
the feel from him, who has previously raised hay back
there in the previous couple. I don't know how long,
but at least last year, and he was supposed to
plant soy in it. He was going to plow it
up and plant plant soy in it, and he's refusing
to do that. He said, he's not gonna do it.
Speaker 9: So if you've got them coming that close and they've
got the water sores a hunting spot and all that,
and they're not shy about showing themselves to you. It
would not be a stretch to think, you know, that
they've either seen something or they they're from the area
and they know you know, we're not we're not putting
words in their mouths.
Speaker 3: But it's kind of odd, you know.
Speaker 9: That, because you know we Greg told a story on
Woodwalker's just last weekend about some guys that were going
to log a place there where they'd been having encounters
and stuff he had, and the old man came out
and said, we're not cutting this, and they're like, why not,
you know, and who's talking about a big track? Well
Greg went down there and found the track, took a
picture of it and ended up in a book. But uh,
that was the first time he'd seen any real evidence
other than the things throwing stuff at him and howling
and screaming and breaking trees and that that uh, thank
you to that's that guy. There's there's all this money
laying on the table basically, and he comes out after
seeing that track said we're not cutting this. So you know,
the locals, that's I mean, you know, maybe maybe when
you get to knowing some of them, you might can
ask them.
Speaker 8: Well, that's what I was thinking. I ain't been here
long enough to be fully taken under the wing. Yeah,
and I think the landlord knows there's something back there.
He back in May last month and told us that
he was going to clear a road down to the creek.
And I'm like, what for you know that? Who wants
to go down there? And he said first he was
going to clear some shooting lanes, meaning just he's going
to take down some trees to reduce the cover for
the deer when they were hunting, to make shooting lanes. Yeah,
we did hear him back there down in the holler
way back. He's got about eighty acres trees back there,
and we did hear him cutting some down. But it
also said he had some things back there he needed
to take care of that he hadn't done yet. You know.
It was his words to us, and it was about
time he got on to him. But he ain't done nothing.
He maybe he's waiting on somebody to see if they
can flush them out. You know. But I've said about
these ones out here, the way they behaved, they're either
you know, they're just bold, or they don't know how
to book or they have not gotten the memo of
we're not supposed to let somebody say it.
Speaker 10: The way they're describing it. I would go with the
first one. I think that they're very bold, but that's
just my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't. They like you, Katie. You have to
leave them something.
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna leave them nothing dusk, is that right?
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 9: I know you worked all day and you're tired, and
uh we're you know, Amanda's experiencing storms. So we're gonna
end it here. Thank everybody for being in chat. The
people that are listening, you know, they'll be listening on
the other platforms. We appreciate you all listening. And I
just thought it was important for us to get this
out there, and it gave us a chance to have
a good discussion on anatomy that like we've seen it,
you know.
Speaker 3: And and so.
Speaker 9: It just when I when that when that AI generated,
I was stunned because I'm like, man, if that was
looking from the back of you, it'd be really close.
But Katie, I know you're shy. You do a really
good job. As an honor to hear the stories from you,
I know, you don't like doing it, and I you know,
I knew when I asked you the odds of you
might not, but I.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it very much. So what you cut out come
on for you? Oh, I appreciate it. And tell tell
John we said, hey, I will.
Speaker 9: He's probably got your good supper cook and everything waiting
on you.
Speaker 8: No, he's out as I'm gonna make me oodles and
noodles and a grilled cheese and hit the bed.
Speaker 10: That sounds like a good idea to me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so we'll end it right there, y'all, go get
you oodles and noodles. Heather's got me something in there.
I don't know what it is as yet, but thank
y'all very much. I appreciate everyone of you. I'll get
those pictures and show them at the beginning of the
show next week. I'm talking to Bama Murdoch. We've got
an idea. I'm trying to get him and maybe somebody
else to come on and talk about how they started out.
You know, he's a police officer, and you know the
evidence and gathering evidence and then stranger stuff that's happened
that kind of changes your mind, you know, about possibilities
you know, and uh, we're working on that, so hopefully
that'll be next Thursday. Amanda, thank you for everything, and
all right, y'all, y'all have a good weekend. Stay safe
out there.
Speaker 8: Good not everybody, man, almost.
Speaker 3: I almost left the studio instead of hitting in the stream.
Speaker 6: Oh, don't do that.
Speaker 8: Hanging out here, Amanda, Like, well.
Speaker 10: I don't just be like, uh, well, hi, y'all, bye, y'all.
Speaker 3: All right, good night.
Speaker 11: Down in the pines, where the water runs black, where
the moss sangs low and the night leans back. The
stores whisper about a shadow, tall, big feet moving where
the moonlight fall.
Speaker 7: Some save it be some saved ghosts in the trees.
Some say it trouble blowing in with the breeze.
Speaker 11: But around here, man, we know the call, or we
just call him friends, the squatching howler.
Speaker 3: So lie that let the cat.
Speaker 4: Tell shake the birth time copper heads waving.
Speaker 11: Here Georgia fall.
Speaker 1: It ain't no man, and it ain't no doll.
Speaker 4: When a creek grill's cold and the shadows get taller, Yeah,
you cross the line in the squatting all the well,
it just walk getting a brave man falter.
Speaker 7: But I mind just that been a squatching how where
body tell me stories about a thing? Ain't sauce to
ten foot.
Speaker 6: High with a tim But y'all red ice burning like
a summer's coat left tracks think enough to swallow your sob.
But the old folks laugh, say, don't you fear if
krit has been living here for hundreds of years, treat
them with respect when the moon gets smaller.
Speaker 7: And they'll let you live in squatching.
Speaker 3: Holler, So light that fire.
Speaker 6: Let the swamp drum roll.
Speaker 7: You can hear that beast right down in your soul
if you hear her ground from the river.
Speaker 6: Karl.
Speaker 7: It ain't no boat frout barking that lord.
Speaker 4: Little swamp urn stealing the niggers get salt to y'all
night alone and spotting on the weather brevedy ties in
the fools off fother lord, keep watching on next watching holler.
Speaker 7: Some say gods it old pine ridge.
Speaker 11: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge the warm
thanks show. When the night comes down, something big still calls.
Speaker 3: It's grown so bank that fo hell.
Speaker 4: Let the night get deep at the willows will while.
Speaker 7: The coots so creeps. Did you catch us glimpse through
the midnight?
Speaker 8: Holler?
Speaker 7: Just nod your head, don't scream and holler.
Speaker 4: Because of wild I'm on springing and the legends getting taller.
Speaker 3: How wherever it rons in squatching.
Speaker 4: Holly, we ain't scared, but we sure stayed cautious down
in
Speaker 3: The dock, on that squatching hollow,