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Speaker 1: Welcome to Squatching Holler.

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Speaker 2: In the midst where the trees lean loop, Squatching Hollers

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gotta tell the show. Wisps creep like a creature's fainted out.

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Every shadows got a secret to grow?

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Speaker 3: Monsters rise? Where the stories are told?

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Speaker 4: Squatching hollow where the legends are born?

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Speaker 5: Are they?

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Speaker 3: Are they gone?

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Speaker 4: Who can say?

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Speaker 2: In the hollow of the truth just slips away? Huge

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foot Prince faed Where the creek runs than a lantern sways,

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Let the search be go, rustling waves, but there's no

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one near?

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Speaker 6: Is it the wind or the beast?

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Speaker 7: You fear?

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Speaker 4: Every echoes a question, Every russell's a clue.

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Speaker 6: Spotching Holly's got its eyes on you.

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Speaker 7: Monsters those or.

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Speaker 6: The stories are torn?

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Speaker 8: Swatching?

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Speaker 2: How where the legends are born?

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Speaker 6: Are they? Are they calling you to say?

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Speaker 7: The nights?

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Speaker 5: And now with your Squatching Holler. Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,

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and Ashley Rain. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere

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great podcasts are found. And now the show.

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Speaker 9: Hey everybody, Amanda you batting down the hatches? You got

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storms around you?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I just checked the radar. While the intro is playing,

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and thankfully all of it's south of us right now,

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but it's still something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've Misty sent us pictures it.

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Speaker 9: Uh, it hit here earlier in the day and that

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she's in East Tennessee and it blew some stuff over

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in the garden and everything. But we needed rain forever

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and then now we're just getting too much of it.

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And yeah, gads, well, welcome in everybody. Uh the squatching holler.

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And we've got Katie g She she's come back to

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talk to us. She has something happened recently. I know

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a little bit about it, and I know enough about Katie.

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We've been in some the same areas before. We're kind

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of similar, we don't we we we like this stuff,

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but when it gets real, it gets kind of spooky.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: The only one that will leave faster now, will is Katie?

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So you see her jump off tailgate. It's time to go.

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But uh, but yeah, you know, we have we have

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people that's been doing this for fifty years. You know

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that we have on and we have people that research

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and gathered data. But then also you know there's tons

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and tons of people that don't go looking for these things,

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right and and and something happens, and I don't know

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whether they're drawn to certain people.

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Speaker 3: You know, we we can get into that later.

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Speaker 9: Uh when Katie, you know, we've seen some of the

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same things at the same time, and her description is

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the same as mine and with multiple witnesses, and I

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don't know what she did to attract these things, but

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we'll we'll bring her out and.

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Speaker 10: Let me Eboddy know what we do to attract these.

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Speaker 3: Things, right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And there's there's people in chat the same way.

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That's why you know, I was like, Katie, can you

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please come on because we did a holiday show and

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you were on.

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Speaker 10: Katie was on the Holiday show not too long ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 9: You know it didn't get a ton of views because

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everybody was doing things and with them. I'm assuming the

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algorithm if you have a lot of people in chat

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and interacting, it puts it out there. And it's just

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I wanted to bring her back and we may get

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into some of the later stuff. It's not gonna be

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a long show tonight. But one thing I wanted to

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say before we've got one picture. I think it's incredible,

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but I understand it's hard, you know, for people to

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see things and I've been involved in that too, but

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I looked up today. You know, most people care iPhones

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or similar equipment with them, and you always hear people,

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you know, well, how come there's no there's no clear pictures? Well,

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the iPhone, uh is good for a good clear picture

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in the sun, sunlight, good lighting for twenty to twenty

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five feet and then video wise you stretch it out

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to about seventy five in good light. That's not in

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a canopy in the wood. That's not you know, you know,

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an hour before dark or whatever. And you know you're

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a photographer, you under you know, oh yeah, you have

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to have good lighting, and you have good lighting.

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Speaker 10: You got to have good aspect ratio and all this

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kind of stuff to go with it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and these great pictures you see.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So if I tell you to take a picture

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for National Geographic, you're gonna plan it out right, You're

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gonna make sure you have all that.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're not.

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Speaker 9: Expecting something to happen, like ninety nine point nine percent

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of us, then that's why we don't have great pictures

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because just base the cameras you have, Amanda, have the

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big lenses, the good you know, the good lenses. And

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the myth on camera is that's the thing. It's so small,

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it's just capable. So but any any kind of picture,

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I think is a is a great thing. And I've

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learned from what happened with Gary Pops. You know, it's

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our good, our moderator.

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Speaker 3: Here. I saw the thing with my eyes.

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Speaker 9: He did too, and I could see a little like

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reddish streaks around the facial area.

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Speaker 10: Oh wow.

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Speaker 9: And when he took the picture and we looked at

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it later, it just showed up as a black blob.

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You could just make out the outline. So I've seen

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it firsthand. And it was only forty yards away, that's

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one hundred and twenty feet right into the woods. So anyway,

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we'll bring miss Katie out and welcome her in again.

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Let's see if she has sound. Hey Katie, Hey, I

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can hear you. I can hear you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, here you too, well, welcome in.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you, And I'll give you fair warning now

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that just about two minutes ago, a big storm has

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broke loose over my house. So hate it sounds like

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I'm on be seeing cows blow by the windows.

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Speaker 9: Well, if you have to throw oh, I can't look

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at chat y'all with Hillary boot Hillary, I'm kidding, So

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I forgot I was gonna say, See, that's why I

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don't look at chat, y'all.

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Speaker 8: So don't look at that.

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Speaker 11: Leave that to me.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm supposed to be here for, y'all.

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Speaker 9: The reason I like talking to Katie. She's not one

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of these that chases shows. And matter of fact, you

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almost have to beg please Katie, please come on and

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talk because she's kind of shy. But we appreciate you

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being here. I know, I know who you don't really

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like doing it, but just thank you. You know, it's

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an honor to have you on the show because you know,

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a lot of people it's tough to get on and

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talk about this stuff, and you know the people has

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been doing it a long time, this second nature. But

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I feel like we needed, you know, kind of shed

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some light on I won't say normal folks like us,

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but that's just kind of it kind of way it is.

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You don't go looking for these things. And and she

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she's telling the truth of y'all.

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Speaker 3: She will come visit with us.

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Speaker 9: But when this starts getting dark, uh uh, She'll she'll

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point to the vehicle and say it's time to go.

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Speaker 3: And yep, I'm kind of the same way. I'm not

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gonna lie. I'm not you know, you too.

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Speaker 10: I don't go looking for it for a reason because

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you don't want it. Sometimes I don't want it to find.

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Speaker 3: You, right, And so a little this. How long did

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this happen? It was April the first instance.

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Speaker 8: Well, it actually goes back to when we moved up here.

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We moved up here the week after Valentine's Day and

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it's been weird ever since. You know, my very first

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morning here, I'm standing out on the back patio and

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I saw something run through the field that moved so

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fast I couldn't tell what it was. I got a

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live action you know how I fones have that live action, Yeah,

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and I got just a live action shot of it

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that you know, you can just see something blur and

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you know. But that was the very first morning we

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were here. I was standing out, it was just getting daylight,

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about seven o'clock in the morning, and I was here

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in a not a cough but not a chuff somewhere

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in between off across the field to the left, and

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I'm like, I took a picture. I had raised my

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camera and took a picture and as I was starting

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to lower my camera, I saw the streak and just

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barely caught a a little live action shot of it.

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Speaker 9: So did you have a gut feeling by because you've

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been around us and other people watching shows, and you've

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had a lot happen to you. When you have heard

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the it's kind of like the huff the Eric expelling,

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and you could tell it was something big. I'm sure

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because you know it's so now you're thinking, what have

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Speaker 3: Moved into?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I've come to the conclusion that there's

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just no getting away from them, that wherever I go,

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they're going to be. I mean, I'm not by any means,

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but I'm just resigned maybe yeah, just resigned to that fact.

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Speaker 9: So well after you know, I don't care whether you

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have paranormal stuff happened or like most of us have

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and weird things, you get to a certain age where

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it doesn't surprise you as much, you know, because you

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and it comes with experience too, Katie.

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Speaker 3: You know you've experienced in.

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Speaker 9: Things and and what it does to us, And I

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think Amanda is the same way. If you have things

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happened to you, you're always you know people say head

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on a swivel, but you're always.

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Speaker 3: Scanning, yeah, always on guard.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's just a natural human thing. Over to you, Roger, ma'am.

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Speaker 8: You ever hunt arrowheads Indian artifacts?

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Speaker 9: I have found them, and we used to hunt them

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years ago. What we would do when my uncle they

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and even pretty sure I know where two mounds are

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barrel mounds that nobody knows. It's been on private property

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for sixty or seventy years or longer. And I didn't

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know what they were until I saw those on that

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just trace. But I don't go into the creeks as

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much I found them, you know, I just don't get

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Speaker 3: I would love to, yeah, but.

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Speaker 8: Well I grew up. I grew up from my earliest.

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hunting for arrowheads. And when but when you're first learning,

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or if somebody wants you to, they'll say, teach me

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how to find an arrowhead m and you take them

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out and they'll be literally standing on top of one

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but can't see it mm hmmm, not trained, and they'll

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be picking up every kind of rock that's vaguely arrowhead shaped.

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way it's thin, the way it's napped, the way it looks,

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even if it's just a tip sticking out of the ground,

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they'll know. Until that eye gets trained to what to

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look for, you know, they're they're blind to it.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

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Speaker 9: I think I have seen Katie, people miss very large

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I mean not just you know, bigfoot or anything like that,

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but people are so distracted they they miss things that

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you know, I'll see it. You didn't see that back there? No,

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this one about people. You know, when you first start

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deer hunting and you're kind of looking too high for them,

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and then you start, like you said, you know what

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to look for. You know what to look for angles.

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Speaker 3: Because they because they kind of blend in.

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Speaker 9: You know, we've both seen them, maybe the same individual

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try to blend in. It caught out an open and

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they'll they'll do they'll do what they can. And we'll

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get into that later in the show. But let's go

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ahead and tell everybody what what happened when y'all moved

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to the new place, and just start from there, and

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I'll just let you let it turn you loose.

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Speaker 8: Well, we got moved in, and like I said, from

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the get go, it was weird, been weird ever since

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we started, probably later towards more towards the end of February,

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first March. Hearing howls and that it does a coll

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whatever they are, whatever it is, it does a strange

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call that sounds like a dog. You know how a

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dog will bark, and it's usually more than just a

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one bark. It's a couple you know, wolf wolf. Well,

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they do this thing and you can it sounds like

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a dog bark, except the dog would be about the

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size of a rama bull, right, and it's like a

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half of I call it a half bark because it's

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just one wolf. Tough they'll do that. We were hearing

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sounds like that, and a lot of howls at night

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and you know, John and I both we have a

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good idea what it was, but what were we going

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to do about it? Go out and that's kindly stop,

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you know, and we we're dealing with that mostly sounds

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and noises. And then as it got into March, I

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would see dark things. Now, this field behind my house

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length from the back of my house to where the

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woods starts about two hundred yards and it's probably about

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three point fifty from side to side, and it's surrounded

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on all sides except you know, where our house is at,

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and our backyard runs down into it by woods, and

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the very back edge goes down into what I call

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a holler that has a creek at the bottom of it,

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and there's a hump in the middle of the field

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from our backyard. It goes out, then it humps up,

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and then it starts dropping down, and then it really

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starts dropping off. It kind of terraces down some steep

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terraces that are wooded down to this creek at the

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bottom of that holler. And I don't know how deep

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it is because I ain't going down there. Then off

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to the left side of the back of the house

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is it's more level. It does drop off some, but

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it's a wider place that's level with trees. And then

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to the right it drops off pretty sharp and down

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into a gully, and I would see things off to

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the left side because that was actually ground out straight

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out of the back. It's actually what I'm looking at

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is the middle parts to the upper parts of trees,

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because they're growing up that slope, and they're fairly tp

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trees from the ground up, but I can only see about,

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you know, from the middle of them up and they're good.

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They're easily forty to sixty foot tall trees.

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Speaker 9: Right, So something standing off down in there. You're seeing

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the top part, and then the trees are coming to

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play at little later, y'all.

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Speaker 8: To come up. They have to come up to the

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top for me to actually be able to see them,

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because there's a little bit of flat park before it

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starts dropping off. Most often I see them up in

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the trees, but off to the left there's a little

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more shelf of land before it drops off, so I

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will be seeing things over there, just black things moving.

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I saw something big and black standing. The trees hadn't

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started leafing out good yet and there was just something

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huge and black standing over there, and you know, I

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did a may which was run getting the house whatever

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it is, I don't know, I don't want to know,

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and just seeing things like that, but mostly hearing things

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at dark. And then it was Easter, not Mother's Day.

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I kept saying Mother's Day with Mark, but it was

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the Easter. Was the last good day that we had rain,

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and that was right at the first of April, that

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first weekend in April, and then we can get rain

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for another month. Basically we'd get a little shower, a

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little five or ten minute shower, but to get good

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rain we did not get. We got one day of

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good rain at the beginning of May and then another day.

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But then over the last month it's really been raining. Saying, yeah,

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we were in a drought. We weren't getting any rain,

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and all the water was, you know, the little side streams.

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There's a lot of streams and gullies that have little

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creeks flowing through them up here. They don't always show

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on a map, but that's just because there's so many

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of them and they're small. But they started, you know,

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drying up. Things were getting pretty dry, and I believe

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that created a situation in which whatever was back there

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was guarding that the bigger stream, the creek, because it

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was a still moving water source even during that period

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of drought. And you know, we were sitting out in

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the driveway. John he's working on a four by six,

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a gator, and we're sitting out there, and it was

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just just before dark, you know, probably again, things always

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started up between around seven pm. Here it's getting later now,

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so it's because it's staying light later, but at that

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time it would start around seven pm. Rackets, noises. I

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have not heard a wood knock yet, but I ain't

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been listening from one and the We were sitting out

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there working and we heard what sounded like what I

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call if you ever heard a bull when it's we

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call it bulling. Usually if there's a cow and heat nearby,

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or another bull they're trying to check, they'll do that low,

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deep rumble. We heard something come from out by like that,

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and it kind of startled me and I was like,

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what was that? And I had no sooner got what

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was that out of my mouth than the whole wood

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back over there just lit up with what sounded like

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monkey screeches that sounded like a zoo, and I tried

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to record it, but even worse on my phone than

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my camera is my microphone. And it went on for

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the first about fifteen seconds. Everything was stunned, you know,

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there was just you know, we were just listening. And

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then I was trying to walk towards the back to

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I want to walk out in the backyard, but I

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was gonna walk towards the back to see if I

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could catch it on my microphone or with my microphone,

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and then the crows started up. It got the crows

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in the fit because there's a lot of crows around here,

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and it kind of covered it up. But I called

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that the monkey chorus, and it went on nearly a minute.

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My neighbor that lives to the right of me, he

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finally come out and shot a shotgun and a few

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seconds after that it cut up.

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, So he just he came out.

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Speaker 9: Just like it matter of factly and just like get

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him to shut up, like he's heard it before.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of calm or I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I can't see his house. He lives with the skill

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from me, and there's trees between us, but I can

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hear his shotguns, and he's got several. And but after

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he had been going on probably about a good forty

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forty five seconds, he finally shot the shotgun. And you know,

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it stopped a few seconds after that, and I see

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what he was doing. You know, he shot it up

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in the air. I could tell that. If you've been

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around guns long enough, you can tell somebody's shot it up.

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But just to get the racket to shut up, I guess.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean I've heard instances where that sound, you know,

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I know it's associated with primates when they're feeding and

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they get into a tizzy, you know.

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Speaker 8: Ye.

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Speaker 9: And I've heard several people talk about the same thing,

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the same sound going on when they're hunting, or you know,

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they've walked up on them while they're hunting, and you know,

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you've got that water source back there, and everything's got

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a drink, so it's a it's a good place to hunt,

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good place to find something to eat. So but so

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that just confirmed, you know that you have more than

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one when you hear multiple.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we knew there was something back there.

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We couldn't we couldn't put a label to what, but

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it was something out of the ordinary, and but that

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was that what I call the monkey chorus happened that

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night and we just shook our heads. I mean, like

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I said, once again, what am I going to do?

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Go out and ask him politely to stop. No, and

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like I said, he John was. Me and John were

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working on the gator. Well the next day we had

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he'd got the gator running and he was wanting to

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test to see if it was cooling, like if its

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fan was coming on and staying on. So we took

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it out and I didn't really want to go, but

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I'm paranoid, and I'm like, I know as soon as

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I said, let him go out, there was something will happen.

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So I rode with him and we got about halfway

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around it, and he stopped to make sure that the

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fan would stay going or we're kick off or cooks on,

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whatever it does. That's above and beyond my head. And

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I got out of the gator and where we're right

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there at that edge that drops off and looks down,

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and I was looking. I got to what I call idiot,

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I got an idiot streak going on, and I said,

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I'm gonna go there and look and see if I

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can find any you know, tracks or anything. I didn't

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really have high expectations because most of the ground is

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covered with you know, litter and duff leaf litter and duff,

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but there's a few bare spots. But it hadn't rained,

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so I didn't really have any high hopes. But I

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had got my phone out and I was carrying it

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and I had it on and I had the camp

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had it on the camera because if I saw anything,

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I was gonna take a picture. And I got close

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to the edge and I'm looking down into that the

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holler that down at this big pile, big pile big trees,

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trees you know, two three feet round that are laying

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down there. And I'm sitting there thinking, you know, maybe

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that's from you know, Helene or whatever. And I noticed

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a motion down in it that looked to me. When

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I first saw it, I thought a bird, like maybe

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a hawk or a blackbird or maybe even an owl

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was down in that mess of down trees and was

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stretching its wing, you know how a bird will stretch

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its wing out. I saw that motion and I was

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focusing and I'm looking at it and I'm like, why's

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that bird? Wait a minute, because I thought the bird

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had left its wings stretched out, and when I looked,

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after a couple of seconds, the whole picture came in

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and I realized I was looking at these long fingers,

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and then I kind of, I wouldn't say, widened my

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gaze out, but I kind of took a better glimpse

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than I could see a face. And I realized that

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what was happening was something had taken its hand and

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pushed down a limb, and that was the motion that

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I saw. And then I saw the whole picture. And

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because I had my camera already on and in my hand,

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I just put it up, snapped a picture, and then

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haw butt.

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Speaker 9: So we want to show the picture. It's pixelated because

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you said it was like eighty or ninety feet away.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So we'll, Amanda bring that picture up and we'll

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look at it a little bit, all right.

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Speaker 3: So one do you have? Do you have the one

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where I have the fingers circle? Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 10: I had both of them, one here, just so we

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had the original and then the one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, ma'am.

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Speaker 9: So when I first saw the picture, it took me

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a little bit, but when I saw it, I was like,

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oh my god, So that would be probably the left hand.

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I'm guessing.

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Speaker 8: Well, that picture of that incident, that picture I took

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about oh later.

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Speaker 9: Oh okay, so the other picture did it have the

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better You could almost see the fingernails, Yes, you can see, Yes,

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that's the one I saw with when you were talking

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to Mark green Man.

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Speaker 3: I must have missed that one.

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Speaker 9: Sorry, but but but the yeah, the other we'll get

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that picture and show it sometime. But that that picture,

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the other one you could y'all, I'm telling you, I'll

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show it to you when I can. But you can

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make out the fingernails, and you can make out almost

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the knuckles, the you know. But this right here, if y'all,

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so Katie, was this one doing something with its tongue?

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Speaker 3: Is that what we're seeing?

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Speaker 8: This happened about a week and a half later. John

475
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,559
and I had been in the backyard work and I had,

476
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,240
like I said, we sat down on the back courch

477
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,279
to take a break, and I'm looking out across this

478
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,440
field and it looks to me I'm saying, something dark

479
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,799
and then it starts looking like this big, like me

480
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,640
out of car sized thing. This one in this picture

481
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,799
is much smaller than the one that I saw that

482
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,599
was down the hill and it looks like it's climbing

483
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,640
a tree. And I'm watching and I'm like, yeah, I

484
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,640
know what that is. I'm like, I got a pretty

485
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,119
good at it and what that is. I pulled my

486
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,759
picture out my camera and I started taking pictures, pull

487
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,359
my phone out, and it's sitting there and I'm watching it.

488
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,599
And my eyes seem much better than my camera does.

489
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,880
I can see pretty good at a long distance. And

490
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,920
I'm watching this thing and it looks like it's getting,

491
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,079
you know it. It looks to me like it gets

492
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:20,759
bigger than a little bit smaller than bigger and a

493
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:24,079
little bit smaller. And what this one is actually doing

494
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,880
is it had climbed in the tree, but because it

495
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,480
was at the you know, near the top of the

496
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:32,400
tree where there's narrower more narrow you know, limbs and

497
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:35,359
part of the trunk, it was almost like it was

498
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,200
tree peeking, but it didn't have enough to peek around right,

499
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:44,160
you know, And it reached up and with its that

500
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,759
I think you that would have been its left hand,

501
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,240
and the other picture you can see where its right

502
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,359
arm is up and holding you know, a a limb

503
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,640
above it. And again it reached up but it didn't

504
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
do this motion. It was just you know of this

505
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,000
and stuck itself out and stuck its face. You can

506
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,279
see there.

507
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 9: And the nose, I mean, and I know once you

508
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,799
see it, I can make out like around the nose,

509
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,640
like I have these indentions right here. I can see

510
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,200
the indentions the mouth, the big nose, the eye sockets.

511
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,720
And you said the head was looks round here, but

512
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,359
it's kind of it's pointed.

513
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 8: And it's it's a hump. It's like I said, it's

514
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,720
like a shoulder to shoulder hump. And the face there's

515
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,279
much more like of that hump above the head and

516
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:41,920
the faces down in it, and it will like it's

517
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,799
either sticking its tongue out or got its lips something

518
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,640
doing something.

519
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,359
Speaker 9: So we now, I don't have any of the other pictures.

520
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,359
I'm sorry. Can I show them sometime later?

521
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:57,559
Speaker 8: Absolutely?

522
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,759
Speaker 9: Okay, Well I'll get with you and get the ones

523
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,039
that you can make out the fingernails and the fingers

524
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:08,799
on the other encounter, Uh, this one this here, you

525
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,920
said it was the size of a Miata car almost

526
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:18,240
black climbing. Yeah, that's crazy. And when we'll I'll go

527
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,319
over it with you I've been kind of busy, so

528
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,039
I apologize everybody. I thought this was the picture. But

529
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:31,359
the other one's pretty incredible. So going back to where

530
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,799
you took the picture before, what what was it doing

531
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,920
on the first one when you, uh, when you saw

532
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,240
the and what she's talking about, y'all is like the

533
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,119
fingers doing doing this. So she saw the moat the

534
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,079
motion and you said the thumb was it's the thumb.

535
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,359
Speaker 8: The thumb on the one I saw when I was

536
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,440
a nine, I said, I knew it had a weird thumb,

537
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,200
mm hmm. And the thumb on this one, it looked

538
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,440
like it's set out about several inches away from wisted

539
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:05,200
the fingers. But their hands are so broad, they're so broad,

540
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,240
it's like two and a half wrong man hands. Yeah, please,

541
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,000
So it's hard to guess, guess to make. But the

542
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,279
thumb seems like it sticks out way out, like it's

543
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,319
just broad like where our fore fingers are. It would

544
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,000
be like double that within with the thumb on the side.

545
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,119
M yeah.

546
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,559
Speaker 10: One of the famous handprint cast, one of Paul Freeman's

547
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,319
ones of a big hand. They actually have a copy

548
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,119
of it where I work. And uh, the like you said,

549
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,119
the thumb of it is in such a weird, odd position.

550
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,680
You know, it's obviously humanoid looking, but it's also something's

551
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,200
how you say, it's it just ain't right, you know,

552
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,759
So yeah, it's it's it's You hear that a lot.

553
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:55,079
I've heard that from other witnesses and stuff. How if

554
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:58,480
they've seen the hands and there's just something off about it.

555
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,039
Speaker 3: The So go back. That was my mistake.

556
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 9: Go back to the first one that you took a

557
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,720
picture of and tell us Finish, tell us telling us

558
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:09,240
what was.

559
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 8: Well, like I said, it was just that fast when

560
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,680
I saw what I thought was a bird stretching its

561
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,400
wing out and I'm looking down at it and it

562
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,759
was hanging there and I'm like, you know, your bird

563
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,680
usually stretch it swing, then pull it back in. And

564
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,680
I'm like, it's just kind of hanging there and I'm thinking,

565
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,839
what's wrong with that bird? And it was just a

566
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:30,920
couple of seconds, you know. Then like I said, the

567
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,359
whole picture came through and I'm like, I'm seeing that

568
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,680
you know of this, And that's another thing. It seems

569
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,480
like it's got prehants, whole fingers. I mean, it just

570
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,559
looked like I don't know if it's just because they're

571
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,319
so big, they hang different than hours. I don't know,

572
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,920
but it looked like it was. There was a tree

573
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,160
in front of it that look to be about three

574
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,519
to four inches around, and I had these first three

575
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:02,279
fingers around that tree, and these two fingers pushing down

576
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,240
the limb, and then there were other limbs. And when

577
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,880
I saw when I realized, I'm like, I'm looking at fingers,

578
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,400
you know, it hit me. It's just like that. I'm like,

579
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,240
those are fingers. And then I kind of just like

580
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,880
my whole attention backed out and I saw all of

581
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,759
the rest of it, and I could see its face.

582
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,400
Now the picture I snapped it had moved some so

583
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,880
there's more branches in the way of its face.

584
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:34,119
Speaker 9: But what's incredible is even watching on my phone when

585
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,119
Mark showed the picture and you were kind of directing

586
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,880
the when I saw the what looked like fingernails, it

587
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,079
was almost like they were reflecting light a little bit,

588
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,240
you know, you could tell it was a different texture

589
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,319
than the skin. And I'm like, oh my god, that

590
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,880
is crazy. And that's a teaser, y'all. I'll try to

591
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,880
show them at the first of the show next week.

592
00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:02,039
But that was actually a pretty good picture, Katie. That

593
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:02,759
was a good job.

594
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's hard to get them, but.

595
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,039
Speaker 8: I mean it was just and it was split, you know. I,

596
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,680
Like I said, I already had my phone out. These

597
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,960
are my only qualifiers. I had went out looking to

598
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,039
see if I could see tracks because I knew there

599
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,240
were coming back there. Did I expect to see something

600
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,119
back there? No, you wouldn't. You could have dubbed me

601
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,359
down there with wild horses if I thought that that

602
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,559
thing was going to be down there.

603
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

604
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 8: And like I said, I took a streak at idiot

605
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,759
and just decided to do a little bit of idiot here,

606
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,519
a little bit there. But I'm walking along the edge

607
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:42,200
looking down at the ground for tracks, and I won't

608
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160
saying nothing. But in case I did see something, I

609
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,240
already had my phone out and was holding it in

610
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,680
my hand. And that was my only qualifiers that I

611
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,720
already had that. Otherwise, if I hadn't, if I had

612
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,440
to stand there and feel in my pocket and pull

613
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,720
my phone out, that picture would have never happened. Yeah,

614
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,480
ever happened because I was gone.

615
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: Did it? Did it? Did it move or make any noises?

616
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 8: Uh? Kiny noises? But it was moving. It was kind

617
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,199
of doing its head inside. I never saw any up

618
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,119
and down but at the side to side motion and

619
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,880
a slight turning. When I got the picture, it had

620
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,440
started turning its head. Okay, was light reflecting off the skin.

621
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,079
Once I saw it for what, you know, when it

622
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,800
moved that limb and I could see more of it.

623
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,159
I could see more skin detail. Its nose was very

624
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,159
square and box like in just immense like they must

625
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:38,960
up to be.

626
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 9: And well, that picture we just showed you can tell

627
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,880
it might be the same individual, possibly because it located

628
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,599
out of boxy.

629
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, their brothers are father and son, but.

630
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,079
Speaker 10: The related somehow, right.

631
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 8: It was much smaller than the one down, the one

632
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,880
down in the hole. I mean, I quit trying to

633
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,519
take in inches and haul but you know, yeah.

634
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: Well I'm glad you did. But now I tried to.

635
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 9: I got a description, and I tried to make an AI,

636
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,000
which a lot of people you know, like, well, you know,

637
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:23,880
I can't draw. So I took Katie's description through Misty

638
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,719
and typed it in exactly like Misty told me that

639
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,800
or I think she showed me the messages, and so

640
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,039
what came up.

641
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: Shocked me.

642
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 9: Because the one that I saw in South Alabama a

643
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,639
couple of days after you did, in the same area.

644
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:51,119
It reminded me of that one, and Manda, if you

645
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,239
can show that one facing forward, it's it's exaggerated a

646
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:01,800
little bit, but that that okay. So if you take

647
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,639
the head and move it up somewhere, you can see

648
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,920
the point of the head like it was sitting straight back.

649
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,159
What I saw if you're looking from behind, the muscles

650
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:17,159
were similar, but not as defined. And that hump hid

651
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:19,960
the ear and it had turned its head away from

652
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,239
the road, and it drew its arms in tight and

653
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,679
its legs and it's sitting there. It's over six foot

654
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,599
toss sitting there.

655
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,679
Speaker 8: Yeah.

656
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 9: And I could see through the hair to the skin.

657
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,760
The skin looked very thick. It was I could see

658
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,599
the the graininess of the skin. It was more gray

659
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:44,280
than black, but you know, it wasn't light gray. And

660
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320
I drove on past it and then went down and

661
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,960
turned around and came back and it was gone. And

662
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,440
Katie had I'm just getting to I want to I

663
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,960
want to put in, Amanda the next picture, if you.

664
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: Would wear the sunlight.

665
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,159
Speaker 9: Yeah, so this is not perfec but so he was

666
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,199
off the road a little bit down the hill a

667
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,800
little and there was a creek. And the only reason

668
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,800
I saw him was because that sunlight. It was, you know,

669
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,360
ninety five degrees, right, Katie. Approximately it was hot, muggy, awful,

670
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,679
and I assume he was down by the creek trying

671
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,320
to get cool, but that light beam of light coming

672
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,039
through the canopy hit him on that shoulder. This is

673
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:33,159
not perfect. I couldn't see the ear, but that's ninety percent.

674
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,679
Speaker 3: Of what I saw.

675
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 9: And loo, I looked at that shoulder and the side

676
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,800
of the head and those big muscles, which doesn't show

677
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,599
it here. It's like the other picture when katie description

678
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,800
popped up and I saw it, Oh my god, that's

679
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,000
kind of what I saw, but from the back angle,

680
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:54,639
you know. And you know, Katie had told about them

681
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,840
seeing one a couple of days earlier in the same spot,

682
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,599
a big guy, And I just wanted to show this

683
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,000
because I wouldn't have had this idea if you had

684
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:06,000
to give the description.

685
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:08,039
Speaker 3: I didn't even think anything about it.

686
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 9: And as soon as I saw it, you know, I

687
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,159
was like, well, I got to try and make this

688
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,480
tongue stick out, because that's what you said but you

689
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,480
said it was similar, except it had, of course had

690
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:20,840
a hair.

691
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you put hair on you over that picture

692
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,119
or onto that picture, it would create being at like

693
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,119
you said ninety five percent.

694
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

695
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 8: The hump the head and the hump are you know,

696
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:42,239
always hard to articulate because I've never seen it on

697
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,960
anything but one of them. I just don't have the

698
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,119
words to articulate how it's. It's a head. It doesn't

699
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:51,840
have a neck or you can't see a neck.

700
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 10: It's almost like the trap muzzles come from wave done

701
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,400
here all the way up to like the back of

702
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:57,760
the head.

703
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, around the around the ear area. Uh.

704
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,199
Speaker 9: I believe the muscles might have been well, I know

705
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,119
he had his head turned away from me, but I

706
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,760
feel like it kind of hid the because here's here's

707
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,760
what I was thought I was looking at. So that

708
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,800
is a little exaggerated with the head dropped down, right,

709
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,199
but it is it y'all these things the head sets

710
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,039
out and down and these muscles come up and the

711
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:34,519
shoulders the look I got, I realized, well, maybe these

712
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,840
things are really really thick skin. That's why you don't

713
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,719
see the the cut. Like I said, this picture, you

714
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,679
know what I mean? The definition. They're definitely big. They're

715
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,480
just head better than a than a bodybuilder.

716
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,679
Speaker 8: Under the ones I've seen and got at the one

717
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,880
I seen that I got a good look at in retrospect,

718
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,920
I almost wonder if like that hump would come forward

719
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440
at some port or the their head would sink back

720
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,760
into it. I don't know, but if you think of

721
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,480
like somebody like say Arnold Schwarzenegger or a human bodybuilder,

722
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,800
you see a little bit of their shoulder and some

723
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,719
of their shoulder come out, and then you see like

724
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,159
this muscle here, what do you call it, the trapezias.

725
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,519
It starts up and it can be thick and it

726
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,199
can be big, but it only goes up to a

727
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,320
certain point on their neck, and then it starts moving

728
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,760
up on these beings, these creatures, it just it just

729
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:33,079
continues into a hump and you it's like it goes

730
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,400
behind the head. You can see the features of the

731
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,480
head within that hump itself. Yeah, I don't know if

732
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:42,840
that's like a fat hump that they live on muscle

733
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,440
or what you know, like babies have what they call

734
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,639
brown fat at the back of their neck when they're

735
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:48,199
first born.

736
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I still got it.

737
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 10: Here's too art prints. I was just working on pulling

738
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,480
up that I just randomly found off art, trying to

739
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,639
find descriptions of where you here for people, how the

740
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,239
head is so much lower down than the trap muscles.

741
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,480
So I don't know if this is anything similar or not,

742
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:12,119
but I wanted to give some audience kind of idea.

743
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: And see how the head the head is.

744
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,639
Speaker 9: So see the back of the neck, how the slope

745
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:21,440
of the back of the neck comes up, and you

746
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,559
have the point and then you see we can straighten

747
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,159
our head up and we can turn and look left

748
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:31,119
or right and put our shoulders. The one I saw

749
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,559
in eighty five didn't do that. It turned its head slightly,

750
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,360
but it dipped a shoulder and bent at the waist

751
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,000
to turn and look at me. So I'm thinking, maybe

752
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,239
they don't have the range of motion as we do.

753
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,480
And looking at this illustration right here makes total sense

754
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,159
the thing that I saw, and Katie her description makes

755
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,000
total sense. You hear a lot of people get a

756
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,639
glimpse of one and they'll say, had no neck, Well,

757
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:56,480
they have a neck.

758
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,039
Speaker 3: I just feel like they're built different than we are.

759
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:03,559
Speaker 8: But from what I not but be extended this way

760
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,519
liked further forward.

761
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:07,079
Speaker 9: Yeah.

762
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you remember, Amanda, when we interviewed M. K.

763
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,719
Davis the first.

764
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 9: Time and we went over the film, you remember the chin,

765
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,639
Patty's chin was out over her breast, out pasted.

766
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 10: It was so far forward.

767
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, I remember that.

768
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 9: So you we don't have you know, some people it

769
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,840
was a suit. Well I want to see the person

770
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,440
getting in that suit because the net would have to

771
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,960
be two foot long exactly. But those are great details.

772
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: KT.

773
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 9: I'm glad. I'm glad you're telling people because it confirms

774
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,920
what I've seen. It confirms what multiple witnesses have seen.

775
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,719
If we can kind of put it together, I'm gonna

776
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,000
get Dannadrello. We had him on a few shows back.

777
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,679
I sent him those two pictures I made and he's

778
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,440
going to try to combine them and draw it out.

779
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,679
So that would be awesome if yeah, he can do that.

780
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,320
And that's why these stories are need to be shared. Uh,

781
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,039
maybe maybe we can make people understand we don't have

782
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,639
the words to really describe it the way it was,

783
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,519
but maybe they can see, you know, we're seeing this

784
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,000
and you know the ones that all.

785
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: It was a bear definitely was not a bear. But

786
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,719
so what else is what else has happened while you've

787
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,199
been there?

788
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 8: And after lots of things, I mean I always Flacken

789
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,880
clashes out at the end of the field. I've gotten

790
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,840
now to where I just don't look because I don't

791
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:46,519
want don't blame me there. Almost two weeks ago, we

792
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,400
got a van. I was out washing the van and

793
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,360
I couldn't help be looking out that direction because where

794
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,320
the van was parked, and I saw this once again.

795
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,960
I don't have the words that were like a shout,

796
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,519
shadowy area that was darker than the rest of it,

797
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:05,159
and I'm looking at it. I'm kind of giving it

798
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,840
the gimlet I and it looks like it starts growing.

799
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,480
It just grew into an oval and it kept growing

800
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,000
and growing. And after I watched it grow for about

801
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:17,679
five seconds, I said, you know, check this farley. I'm

802
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,280
out and went on in the house. I'm like, I

803
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,320
don't want to know what's going on. I don't die it.

804
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,119
I don't want to know it. I don't want to

805
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,920
be sitting in the barbecue shack and have aneurism.

806
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 9: Like you know, y'all, she's making fun, but it's like

807
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,920
she's as nervous as I am, because but the thing is,

808
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,800
she's seen them, she knows how big they are, and

809
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,320
it's up to them to be nice, because if they're not,

810
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,400
there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, it's

811
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,199
just there. That's the one thing, the hardest thing I've

812
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,760
ever had to do is try to explain the size

813
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,440
and mass and well, I know.

814
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: So I got a phone call.

815
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:57,559
Speaker 9: I was going to tell this earlier, but I got

816
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,559
a phone call this past weekend and a kid that

817
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,599
I coached in youth football, he same age as my son,

818
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:10,079
and my son was at a house with him, and

819
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:13,840
he heard somebody made a joke. And there was two

820
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,280
people walking across the field close to dark way out there,

821
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,760
and there was people and none of them knew about

822
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,559
Peyton's experiences and all that, and one of them said, oh, look,

823
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,840
there's a couple of bigfoot. Well I'm not going to

824
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,880
say his name, but he said he heard him say.

825
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,320
He looked up and he said, not they make bigfoot

826
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,599
ain't big enough. And so Peyton said, I need to

827
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,199
see if he's joking. I need to talk to him

828
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,440
away from everybody. So long story short, he said, how

829
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,360
do you know about bigfoot? And he said, man, I've

830
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,119
seen two of them on our farm and it's where

831
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,559
Peyton has been the hunting, and they've had things happen

832
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:58,079
with noises, and you know, they can't explain. They were

833
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,719
out walking one night with their flashlight, probably fifteen years old,

834
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:05,480
and Peyton came back and told me about they saw

835
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,079
something really tall and black in the field just out

836
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,239
of the light but the eye shine was really wide

837
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,480
apart and they you know, did you know I didn't

838
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,199
raise an idiot. He did what we do, Katie. He

839
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,400
took off back to the to the truck. But so

840
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,559
this kid, he is like two thousand acres and I

841
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,119
talked to him, and the bad part is it's two

842
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:29,199
miles from where I'm sitting.

843
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 8: Wow, it's little close for comfort.

844
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,639
Speaker 3: Little too.

845
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,519
Speaker 9: I've took reports from you know, five miles away in

846
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,199
all but that hitting cloak.

847
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: But we got access and we made a plan.

848
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,039
Speaker 9: We're gonna go one Saturday and showing him what to

849
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,360
look for because he's seriously about wanting to know. Because

850
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,639
he pulled up on his fo wheeler at his deer

851
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:53,639
stand and uh, fourteen years ago and that reminded me

852
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,760
when you said it started getting bigger twenty yards away.

853
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,360
He turned his fo wheler off and he's looking towards

854
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,639
his deer stand and just to the side off in

855
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:08,119
the woods, he said, one of them stood up. He said,

856
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:09,920
he's looking at right in the eyes for a good

857
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,599
two seconds, and then he turns the key back on,

858
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,639
fires it up, and he's gone. And then the second

859
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,679
time he saw one, he was fishing. They have pretty

860
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,679
big ponds, and he'd been sitting there a long time

861
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,079
by himself and was gonna drive around to the other

862
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,440
side to see if they're biting over there. And he

863
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:33,119
said when he started the foiler and looked up, it

864
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,679
was a pretty good ways away, but it was standing there.

865
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,199
Speaker 3: And it turned.

866
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 9: Now, he don't watch these shows, he doesn't get into this.

867
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,639
He said, it dropped to all fours and just exploded

868
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:48,239
through the field away from him. So we've got access

869
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,280
to that. There's a cave opening. It's like ten to

870
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,440
twelve foot tall and big.

871
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go. We're gonna go see if and

872
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,000
his daddy's seen something too, but he won't. He wouldn't

873
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:07,239
tell him about it, right, So I wanted to put

874
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:07,760
that out there.

875
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,519
Speaker 9: I will, I will take video and I want to

876
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:13,079
show him what to look for, and then we may

877
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,679
go at night with and get a fire going, or

878
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,920
sit in a truck or something. But I didn't mean

879
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,159
to interrupt Katie, but that reminded me. That was one

880
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,039
of the coolest phone calls because I know this kid.

881
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,320
I know he's not a exaggerator. I know you know

882
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,800
he's not. I know I coached him, I grew he

883
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,599
grew up around my son, so I believe him. And

884
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,719
so anyway, all right.

885
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 8: Gonta do all that. Y'all gonna go set up the

886
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,320
fire and set up out there.

887
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

888
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to scouting first. I'm gonna get the

889
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,840
lay of the land, and I won't know all the exits.

890
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,039
I don't I'm not just going out there blind at night,

891
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:51,199
not knowing where everything's at.

892
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,679
Speaker 8: Son, you want to be crazy like that for you

893
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,119
said you.

894
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 10: Didn't want to to antagonize anything. Now you're gonna go

895
00:48:59,280 --> 00:48:59,920
to a lot of fire.

896
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: Well, well that's the thing. That's what I told him.

897
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 9: I said, we're I don't want to go out there

898
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:09,360
and and stir them up. I want to go out

899
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,320
there and do what we usually do. Be easy about it.

900
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,840
We're not going to be whooping and hollering and hitting trees.

901
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:20,559
I said, if if we find an area that's possible

902
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,639
that they, you know, come around, we'll just sit there

903
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:25,320
and let them come to us if they want to.

904
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: You know, we're I said.

905
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 9: I I used to go out and scream and hollering

906
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,880
stuff like that, and I just don't do that anymore.

907
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,639
Speaker 3: You don't anything that big. You don't want to make

908
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:36,960
it mad.

909
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 9: And you know, Katie, where you moved into, that's their

910
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,199
home turf, you know, that's their home, right.

911
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,119
Speaker 8: They were here before us, They were coming through here

912
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,320
before us, you know, at least. Yeah, I don't know

913
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,000
if they posted up permanently back there. I kind of

914
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,920
hope not, and uh, I really hope not. But you know,

915
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,719
I hope this is just a seasonal thing. But it's

916
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,119
been I want to own now for you know, the entire

917
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:05,960
time we've been here so far. But you know, I

918
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,360
don't know. I'd be screaming and hollering and to Roger,

919
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,800
but not in the way you would think.

920
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, And and look.

921
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,679
Speaker 9: When you know somebody, you know, we've we've john you, Heather,

922
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,519
We've we've been around a lot of people in chat.

923
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:29,079
We've all been around each other, and I feel connected

924
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:32,239
to you in a way because we've had weird things happen.

925
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,480
And we saw the same thing the night that. You know,

926
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,880
You're sitting on the tailgate and I'm sitting in a

927
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,880
chair looking up at you, and I see that red orban.

928
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:45,639
You know, at first I thought it might be a star,

929
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,280
so I didn't say anything. I'm leaning and looking making

930
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,599
sure it wasn't, because you know, we're on that ridge. Yeah,

931
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,440
and I've seen stars, Mars and stuff, you know, Oh,

932
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,840
that's just a start where this thing was moving. Yeah,

933
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,880
And I asked, Katie, asked us, y'all see that red light?

934
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,400
And she turned around and and right at first.

935
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 8: Well, the first I was looking at about our top

936
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,440
height level. I wasn't looking at and I was like,

937
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,159
I don't really see And I turned back and I

938
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,400
looked at you, and I noticed that you were like

939
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:18,840
looking further up than I was. So I turned back

940
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,679
and looked. And as soon as I looked, I saw

941
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,920
it and I was like, oh, that.

942
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: Was probably what half dollar size maybe red light.

943
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 8: Yep, golf ball. To me, it was about like maybe

944
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,719
a little bigger than a golf ball when I.

945
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:37,639
Speaker 9: Saw it, and y'all, it wasn't It wasn't something floating

946
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,559
on the wind. It was it was moving and it

947
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,719
was going up trees and coming around, just like the

948
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,079
orb we caught later. It was just a a little

949
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,880
while later when y'all left. Katie hit the ground running,

950
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,840
but she said, it's time to go where stuff started.

951
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:57,280
But it was moving the same way it was. Now,

952
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,960
this wasn't through a camera. We with our eyes, and

953
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,679
we're not the only ones that saw it. A couple

954
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,199
of people walked off, it's time to go, cleared out,

955
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:10,880
left us sitting there.

956
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,639
Speaker 3: But but you know, when you have something happen.

957
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 9: And you're with people, like what happened at the l

958
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,519
BL with Gary, or what happened with Coombo and the

959
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:26,239
crew that night we were out, it's an awesome experience.

960
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,360
It's scary, but it's awesome because you were all there

961
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,920
and you experienced it, and I kind of feel, you know,

962
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,000
and the thing that I saw and I came back,

963
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:36,039
I really didn't want to talk about it because, oh,

964
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,840
Roger's got a big foot show, you know. But we're

965
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,119
in the area where they're at and where things have

966
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,239
happened and I really didn't want to say anything, so

967
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,679
I told Troy first. And when when I said it,

968
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,039
I said, it looked like it turned and sat down

969
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,960
and pulled its arms in and its legs and turned

970
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,400
its head. He looked at me, he said, you know

971
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,119
they do that, right, I'm like, I know, he said.

972
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:05,199
He said, I've seen them do it multiple times. They

973
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,960
get caught out and open like that. They will do

974
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,880
the best they can until you go by or walk

975
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,480
bout whatever.

976
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,199
Speaker 3: He said.

977
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:14,039
Speaker 9: A matter of fact, Katie had something happen, you know,

978
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,480
like a couple of days ago, similar and you came

979
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:18,679
up and you were telling me and you said the

980
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,559
orange root balls.

981
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: I knew exactly where you're talking about.

982
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I said, I know, I know exactly because it

983
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,119
was just past that where the creek was at. And

984
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:31,360
Katie tells us about what they saw. And I'm sitting

985
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,760
there shaking my head like why do I do this

986
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,400
because it's but you see, what I'm saying is kind

987
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,920
of a you know people's personality, you know their character,

988
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,320
and I'm not saying it holds more weight than other people.

989
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,519
You just don't know them, right. And I feel connected

990
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:53,119
to her too, because we're both chicken.

991
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 8: Chicken yells her back runs a date.

992
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 9: But but the thing is, you know, I've done things

993
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,519
out of character for me when things happen, and you

994
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,400
walking down to look for tracks had to be a huge,

995
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:08,360
huge thing.

996
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: For you.

997
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 8: Guys. The idiot in May it control for a few minutes.

998
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: And I think that's what's wrong with me.

999
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 9: But y'all, I'll i'll definitely I'll get those pictures and

1000
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,559
I'll make sure I got the right ones and i'll

1001
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,760
get it, you know, blown up or we.

1002
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: Can see it here. But I thought I had that picture.

1003
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,039
Speaker 9: I feel bad because, you know, one of those moments

1004
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:34,400
when I'm looking at it on Mark Show and I'm

1005
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,880
leaning in looking at it and I'm like, oh my god,

1006
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,519
I see fingernails. That's that's big.

1007
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to see it.

1008
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,199
Speaker 3: Now you had something.

1009
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,599
Speaker 9: We're not gonna go real long tonight because I wanted

1010
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:53,320
to document this, h because this is kind of recent,

1011
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,559
and we did want to talk about the how they're

1012
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,320
the ones we saw were built.

1013
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: Now I don't think probably all of them are not

1014
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:01,760
like that.

1015
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 9: I saw something in Alabama just a little while back.

1016
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,239
It was tall and thin and black from head to

1017
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:14,519
toe and I saw three steps, and I.

1018
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:14,679
Speaker 3: Off Greg's in here.

1019
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 9: I didn't want to say anything because I but Peyton remembered.

1020
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,920
I said, Greg, there's not supposed to be anybody way

1021
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,320
back here, is it? And he said no, it was

1022
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,320
his private land way back. We'd almost got killed going

1023
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,079
into jeep back there, and I'm looking and I said, Peyton,

1024
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:33,760
you remember how quiet I was when we went up

1025
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,599
to the cave opening, because that's where it was coming from.

1026
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,519
And then it turned and went away from us, and

1027
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,079
I don't know. It looked like it faded out, but

1028
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,519
it could have walked into the brush because it was

1029
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,159
pretty wide open there. And but we were in that

1030
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,119
jeep bouncing, you know, bouncing and going by trees and stuff.

1031
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:59,239
But I clearly saw something pretty tall, solid black, but

1032
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,280
it confused because it was thin. So I don't know

1033
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,440
where we can put a cookie cutter. Hey, this is

1034
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,079
what they look like, you know, because I don't think

1035
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:10,199
I think they're like us.

1036
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: I think they look different.

1037
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 8: I have I think they have commonalities, but otherwise they're

1038
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,920
as individual as people are.

1039
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:25,039
Speaker 9: And they're right yep, And now she has another picture.

1040
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,079
I want if I can get permission, I don't have it,

1041
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,599
but I'd like to show it the next show.

1042
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 3: The one behind the hay bales.

1043
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll say it.

1044
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 9: I've you know, I went over that pretty extensively, and

1045
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:43,920
it's it's eerie looking, y'all. And and you know she's

1046
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,599
not saying it's a big foot, but everything fit and

1047
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,360
it was behind the hayballs roundbells. I hey, and you

1048
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,320
can tell it's pretty massive. How how tall did you

1049
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,039
guess that that one possibly was?

1050
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:01,119
Speaker 3: I am go did measure?

1051
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 8: Oh no, I didn't do nothing. I didn't even see

1052
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,400
it when I got that picture. I didn't even see

1053
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,679
it until after I had taken the picture. That was

1054
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,719
a little and my doubt my daughter actually saw it.

1055
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,559
And I think the incident, you know, where I had

1056
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:21,079
seen something black and dark go over those stacked tabells

1057
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:25,039
that just oozed over it. And when I took that picture,

1058
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:27,000
I had come back over an hour a little over

1059
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,760
an hour later, and I was taking pictures of the

1060
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,599
haybells to show my husband what I was talking about.

1061
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:35,280
And I was pulled off on the side of the

1062
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,920
highway and when I literally just had my phone up

1063
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,599
in front of me and was snapping pictures through the

1064
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:46,199
windshield and more looking back over my shoulder because I

1065
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:48,360
thought an eighteen wheeler was gonna come and knock my

1066
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,760
tail end off. So I was not really paying attention

1067
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,320
to what I was taking a picture of. And I

1068
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,400
think that's why I didn't see it at the time.

1069
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that morning.

1070
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 9: You ever get gut feelings, thank you drop. Yeah, you're

1071
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,440
like me, you know, Amanda, the same way you get

1072
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,800
get those eerie feelings and stop and look around you well,

1073
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,239
and you know, I know deer hunting and stuff like that.

1074
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,000
You know, now, quail are different. They're scary. You walk

1075
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:20,159
up on them, they'll flush.

1076
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:21,079
Speaker 3: But you know.

1077
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,639
Speaker 9: It's simple, you know, as deer, they'll they'll lay there

1078
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:27,519
in a sage grass and let you walk by.

1079
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: And if these.

1080
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:33,119
Speaker 9: Things when you first looked at this one after the

1081
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:38,360
fingers moved and it took you a couple of seconds

1082
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,159
to get the whole picture because you're focused on that

1083
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,360
hand there you thought were feathers now. If you were

1084
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,599
walking by, probably never would have you know, never would

1085
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:52,039
have seen it. So I think a lot of times

1086
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,880
these things blend in so well they notice that.

1087
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 8: Still I didn't see anything down in that pile of brush,

1088
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,679
I was looking at in that pile of brush, and

1089
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,039
I don't know what it's thought process was. Don't pretend

1090
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:10,039
to know. But if I don't know, if it it's

1091
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,960
fingers weren't already hanging there, I have the feeling that

1092
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,880
it had reached around and I caught that otion. If

1093
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,199
I hadn't seen that, I would have I had already

1094
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:20,920
been looking down in the pile of brush, and I

1095
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,639
didn't say nothing.

1096
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,079
Speaker 9: Are you Okay, We're going back to the very first

1097
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,920
time you ever saw one and tell us a little

1098
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,639
bit about that, and then we'll we'll end it after that.

1099
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,800
But like I said, I want to get this documented

1100
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,039
time and date and all that.

1101
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,639
Speaker 3: But back, how old were you?

1102
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 8: I was about to turn ten?

1103
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: Okay, tell us a little bit about that before we go.

1104
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 8: My family and not hiking in the ri Mountains in

1105
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,920
North Carolina, and we're hiking around, had been hiking most

1106
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,599
of the morning. I was the only kid in a

1107
00:59:56,639 --> 01:00:00,000
group of adults, and we had stopped to eat lunch

1108
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:03,599
lunch and just take a little break, and I needed

1109
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,639
to use the bathroom. So I told my parents that

1110
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,400
I was going to go find a tall bush, which

1111
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,119
is you know, code speker.

1112
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, country talk, Yeah.

1113
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 8: And I went off and there was in it. The

1114
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:20,840
land was ripley, and there was a couple of little

1115
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,239
gully you know, like the end of a holler, like

1116
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,039
how a holler starts, you know. There was about two

1117
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:31,039
maybe three of those. I went through away from where

1118
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:33,840
they were sitting at, and the land at the time

1119
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,880
we were hanging on was it was controlled by Alcoa,

1120
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,400
and they had service roads cut for their for whatever

1121
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,480
they run on service roads, golf carts, hot wheels, I

1122
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,440
don't know, but they had little narrow tracks cut. And

1123
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:53,079
I got to where one of those gully ripples had

1124
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,280
been cut, like the end of They had cut it

1125
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,960
for the road to come through. So it went down

1126
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,679
and then it dropped sharp like sharper down It was

1127
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,840
a slope, and then it dropped sharp for they had

1128
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,360
cut the dirt back to make that the track go

1129
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,000
around the curve to start coming back. And there was

1130
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,400
that the edge of the trees at the top where

1131
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,280
I was standing, that kind of semi cleared field, probably

1132
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,320
two to three foot tall, weeds and grass in it,

1133
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:23,159
and then that cut and then the road, and then

1134
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:24,599
on the other side of the road it was like

1135
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,639
it is back here. It's still going downhill. It's still

1136
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,039
downhill and with trees, but there's a little bit of

1137
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,280
a verge, just a little bit before it starts dropping down.

1138
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,000
And I went to the top of that clearing, and

1139
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:40,559
I figured I was doing pretty good because I was

1140
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,199
up in the woods where I would see anybody before

1141
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:47,440
they saw me. I figured, you know, I was. I

1142
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,280
took care of business, and when I went to go

1143
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,079
stand up, before I even looked up and saw it,

1144
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,480
I had the sense of something just not being right,

1145
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,360
and I kind of glanced up, and so as I

1146
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,039
glanced up, I could see it across the road, down

1147
01:02:03,079 --> 01:02:05,480
that hill, and across the road was just this immense

1148
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:08,199
I can't peg how tall it was. I can't tell

1149
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:10,000
you how tall it was, because the last thing I

1150
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:13,480
was thinking was how tall is it? It was, how

1151
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,679
big is it? And it was immense. I mean, like

1152
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,159
two at least two full grown men, two big front

1153
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:24,280
grown men, white or wider. I couldn't I don't recall

1154
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,679
seeing below like mid thigh or just above the knee.

1155
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:33,199
I don't have any recollection of if it even had feeded.

1156
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,800
It could have just been, you know, stumpy for all

1157
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,320
I know. I don't know, but it did harve that long.

1158
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:43,400
I was looking at what was its right hand, and

1159
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,360
it was just hanging there, and it was kind of

1160
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:48,719
not like how humans hand just hang down and you

1161
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,880
all see the back of them or the side of them.

1162
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:55,679
It was more rotated out. I remember it being that

1163
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,000
like if it was in the would have been reaching,

1164
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,440
but it was just it was not square on with me.

1165
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:06,599
It was full kind of to the left, like kind

1166
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:10,840
of turned. But it was just huge, immense, blacker than

1167
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,800
any than any black I've ever seen. It had that

1168
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,960
shoulder to shoulder hump with the head like like kind

1169
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,039
of in the middle of that hump, just the face

1170
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:24,679
and had you can tell it had a head. I

1171
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:30,920
don't remember seeing ears. The hair was the longest at

1172
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,960
the top of it's at that hump and the top

1173
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,280
of its head, and it appeared like that hump went

1174
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,840
above the head like it had some behind it a

1175
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,599
little bit, because the head didn't appear pointed to me,

1176
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,039
and I don't remember seeing ears. It didn't have hair

1177
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:55,159
like its forehead wasn't like sloped. It wasn't as high

1178
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,559
as ours, I would say, put it that way, but

1179
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,480
it was kind of bald and then all that hair started.

1180
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:07,800
It didn't look it didn't look messy. It didn't look groomed,

1181
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,239
and it didn't look messy. Does that make sense. Yeah,

1182
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,960
The hair kind of went in different directions. It wasn't

1183
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,280
groomed straight or anything like that, but it did look

1184
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,800
very clean and shiny. It had a shine quality to it,

1185
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,960
like if you took a pencil and just colored in

1186
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,159
one spot until it shone that great.

1187
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the light was reflecting off of Yeah,

1188
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,599
some of the hair maybe like that.

1189
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,679
Speaker 8: And also it had places on its chest that looked

1190
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:40,440
like there was oil or water or something clumping some

1191
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:44,480
of the hair together. Just like not dirty, but like

1192
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,760
if there was like if you had oil in your

1193
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,360
hair and it's sticking together. There were a couple of

1194
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,480
little places like that that was on its chest and

1195
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,719
you could see the skin through it, and it was

1196
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,519
like you said, that dark not as dark as the hair,

1197
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,119
but that dark gray. Yeah, very rough skin like cow work,

1198
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,920
rougher than cow leather skin. Its face was that dark gray.

1199
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:17,320
It didn't have hair pretty much from comparable from the

1200
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,599
hairline to just below the cheek. Its cheeks were very broad,

1201
01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:26,679
but they didn't stick out. It wasn't like it wasn't

1202
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:29,840
like they didn't have apple cheeks, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1203
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,119
but they did have high broad cheeks, or it did

1204
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:37,039
have high broad cheeks. And its eyes. To me, the

1205
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:39,960
head of it was so big. Maybe in you know,

1206
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,599
looking at it, it would appear like it had wide

1207
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,159
set eyes, but for the size of the head and

1208
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,800
face that it was in that our eyes appeared close set,

1209
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:55,480
you know, closer, and they were very deep, and they

1210
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,239
were very black. I saw no whites at all. The nose,

1211
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,920
like in the picture of the one that you showed tonight,

1212
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,199
how it looked boxy on it was the one I

1213
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:12,679
saw at that occasion was more triangular. And if you

1214
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:14,360
ever look at a cat nose, a cat that has

1215
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,119
a dark nose and it I have just a little

1216
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:20,039
bit of pink that showed the skin. That's how it

1217
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:21,599
was around at sin nostrils.

1218
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 10: It's like it had in very interesting detail.

1219
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:30,039
Speaker 8: It had a long, long upper lip from the bottom

1220
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:34,480
of the nose to and its mouth was you could

1221
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,280
tell it was mouth, but it really it didn't have

1222
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,199
lip shapes. It was just really broad, kind of loose

1223
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,519
looking almost you know, just I don't know, because at

1224
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:45,800
the time it was it was kind of moving its

1225
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,559
lips a little bit. It didn't open its mouth. I

1226
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:51,400
never saw teeth, but I do remember seeing the lips

1227
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,960
kind of twitch and like I said, was sucking on

1228
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:01,039
a piece of handy. Right, the hairstoted just below the cheek,

1229
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:04,519
and it was much thinner, and it came down over

1230
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:08,079
the jaw, the jaw the herd next to the thumb,

1231
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:13,400
that out of place thumb. The other thing, I can't

1232
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,000
explain how its chin looked. It had thin hair, very

1233
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:19,679
you know, thin look cut of hair, but you can

1234
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,239
still see the shape of the chin. And it didn't

1235
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,760
have a chin and allline, but it didn't have this

1236
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:29,079
like how we humans have this.

1237
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:32,559
Speaker 9: So it's more like it came all around in the

1238
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:34,559
same shape, curved shape.

1239
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:41,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was, Yeah, it didn't. It's it's chin was weird.

1240
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,280
I don't have the words to communicate.

1241
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: That's okay, it's hard you're doing.

1242
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:53,519
Speaker 10: You're doing a fantastic job. That's just drawing the picture

1243
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:55,199
in my head. As you're describing the fact that you

1244
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,960
remember so many details that such a young age and

1245
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,559
so long ago. That's actually really could.

1246
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,119
Speaker 8: It's burned into my memory. It's been in my head

1247
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,800
three for forty plus. I'll never forget.

1248
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,199
Speaker 3: So did the chest area did it look Maile?

1249
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:16,239
Speaker 8: Oh it wasn't mail. I could say it's it's dangly mail.

1250
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 9: Yeah. Oh lord, well, I mean being nine years old.

1251
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,199
And did you freeze?

1252
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 8: I didn't make a choice to freeze. I don't remember

1253
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,239
making any time. I was just like stuck. I couldn't.

1254
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 3: You don't know what to do?

1255
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean completely, if it hadn't faded out, and

1256
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,760
that's what it did, it just it faded out. I'm sorry.

1257
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,880
It didn't walk away. It did. It didn't move, really,

1258
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,079
it faded out it. I don't know how else to

1259
01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:56,119
put it. If it hadn't done that and broke the spell,

1260
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,640
we'd still be standing there because I couldn't move. I

1261
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,800
couldn't scream, I could, I couldn't do anything.

1262
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 3: Did you tell anybody when you got back?

1263
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:10,520
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah, I told my mom and I was upset.

1264
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,680
I mean the most upset I'd never been in my

1265
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,920
life to that point. Imagine and you know how as

1266
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,319
a kid and you're scared, something scared you, and you

1267
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,399
get back to mom, dad and you feel a little better.

1268
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,920
You might still be scared or upset, but you feel safe.

1269
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1270
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,359
Speaker 8: I didn't have that when I got back to my parents,

1271
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,039
I didn't. I have never truly felt safe since then.

1272
01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:38,159
And I told my mother, I'm like you. I told her,

1273
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:45,439
I said, a big, hairy, naked man, and and she

1274
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,920
scoffed about it. You know, but there was a lot

1275
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,960
going on, and you know, and in her life and

1276
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,560
our family dynamics at that time. Yeah, you know, we're

1277
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,039
just making up stories because you're bored. And I didn't

1278
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,640
even I didn't even that didn't upset me. And I

1279
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,319
was already so far into upset that I don't think

1280
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:07,760
there's much that could have upset me more. I was like,

1281
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,920
we need to go, you know, we need to leave.

1282
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,079
Unfortunately we were leaving, you know, we had a waste

1283
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:17,119
to hike back to the vehicles. But you know, it

1284
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:20,680
was it was just I was miserable. I just remember

1285
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,600
being middle. I mean, I threw up as soon as

1286
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,800
I started returning to my senses and being aware of

1287
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,760
anything else other than what I was seeing. I mean

1288
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,039
I immediately just I threw up. And yeah, then I

1289
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:36,960
don't remember getting back to the adults. I got back

1290
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,199
to them, but I can't really remember anything other than

1291
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,159
me and absolutely certain that that thing was going to

1292
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,600
reach out at any point and grab me.

1293
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, because when when when there's a threat and you

1294
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,000
can't see it, that's a that's another level of fear

1295
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:54,319
that a lot of people don't get to, thank goodness,

1296
01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:57,159
don't get to experience. I've had a little bit of

1297
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:00,000
that going and it's not a it's not a good feeling.

1298
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,720
And I can imagine, you know, walking back, having to

1299
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,039
turn your back to where it was and walk back

1300
01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:12,119
was terrifying. I appreciate you telling telling that, and I'll

1301
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:17,199
mention this before we go backstage. I asked Katie about

1302
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:20,159
the new neighbors. You know, they kind of keep it

1303
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,880
hush hush, and you know, like they don't talk about

1304
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,880
it like a lot of people don't. You know, you

1305
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,159
don't put it out in the university. It won't make

1306
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:29,960
the matter won't come you know, they won't come around.

1307
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:34,199
But uh, you'are having trouble getting somebody to mow the

1308
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:36,000
back ford the inch, don't.

1309
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 8: The landlord, my our landlord. He came up twice this

1310
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:44,279
past weekend and drove around the house and finally he

1311
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:47,199
stopped the second time, and we were right on the

1312
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:48,840
front porch. He pulled up and he talked to us.

1313
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,920
He said, has anybody come up here with the tractor?

1314
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,640
And I'm like, no, well not the waste thing. And

1315
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,520
he's like, well, I paid a fellow to mow my

1316
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,439
feels meeting the one behind the house, and two that

1317
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,319
he's got about a half mile down the road, the

1318
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:06,680
lower fields. He said, he's moved them to down the field.

1319
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:13,319
Quit down the road, and he quit and move it. Well.

1320
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,000
He raked up a couple hours later he said, well,

1321
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,680
I guess I'm gonna have to find somebody else to

1322
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,399
mow these fields. He says he ain't gonna do it.

1323
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,199
And I already told us there's a guy who leases

1324
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:26,079
the feel from him, who has previously raised hay back

1325
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:29,520
there in the previous couple. I don't know how long,

1326
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,159
but at least last year, and he was supposed to

1327
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:36,199
plant soy in it. He was going to plow it

1328
01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:39,760
up and plant plant soy in it, and he's refusing

1329
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,600
to do that. He said, he's not gonna do it.

1330
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,560
Speaker 9: So if you've got them coming that close and they've

1331
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,159
got the water sores a hunting spot and all that,

1332
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:56,039
and they're not shy about showing themselves to you. It

1333
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:59,319
would not be a stretch to think, you know, that

1334
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:03,880
they've either seen something or they they're from the area

1335
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,880
and they know you know, we're not we're not putting

1336
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:07,720
words in their mouths.

1337
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,039
Speaker 3: But it's kind of odd, you know.

1338
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 9: That, because you know we Greg told a story on

1339
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:18,279
Woodwalker's just last weekend about some guys that were going

1340
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:21,880
to log a place there where they'd been having encounters

1341
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,760
and stuff he had, and the old man came out

1342
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,680
and said, we're not cutting this, and they're like, why not,

1343
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,159
you know, and who's talking about a big track? Well

1344
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:31,800
Greg went down there and found the track, took a

1345
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,800
picture of it and ended up in a book. But uh,

1346
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,000
that was the first time he'd seen any real evidence

1347
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:39,760
other than the things throwing stuff at him and howling

1348
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:45,159
and screaming and breaking trees and that that uh, thank

1349
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:52,079
you to that's that guy. There's there's all this money

1350
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,600
laying on the table basically, and he comes out after

1351
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,439
seeing that track said we're not cutting this. So you know,

1352
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,960
the locals, that's I mean, you know, maybe maybe when

1353
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,640
you get to knowing some of them, you might can

1354
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:05,279
ask them.

1355
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 8: Well, that's what I was thinking. I ain't been here

1356
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:13,439
long enough to be fully taken under the wing. Yeah,

1357
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,279
and I think the landlord knows there's something back there.

1358
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,359
He back in May last month and told us that

1359
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:25,079
he was going to clear a road down to the creek.

1360
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:28,680
And I'm like, what for you know that? Who wants

1361
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,640
to go down there? And he said first he was

1362
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,079
going to clear some shooting lanes, meaning just he's going

1363
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:37,600
to take down some trees to reduce the cover for

1364
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,760
the deer when they were hunting, to make shooting lanes. Yeah,

1365
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,279
we did hear him back there down in the holler

1366
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,119
way back. He's got about eighty acres trees back there,

1367
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,279
and we did hear him cutting some down. But it

1368
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:51,640
also said he had some things back there he needed

1369
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,920
to take care of that he hadn't done yet. You know.

1370
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,600
It was his words to us, and it was about

1371
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,520
time he got on to him. But he ain't done nothing.

1372
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,479
He maybe he's waiting on somebody to see if they

1373
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,039
can flush them out. You know. But I've said about

1374
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:09,439
these ones out here, the way they behaved, they're either

1375
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,640
you know, they're just bold, or they don't know how

1376
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,439
to book or they have not gotten the memo of

1377
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,119
we're not supposed to let somebody say it.

1378
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:20,239
Speaker 10: The way they're describing it. I would go with the

1379
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:22,319
first one. I think that they're very bold, but that's

1380
01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:23,119
just my opinion.

1381
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't. They like you, Katie. You have to

1382
01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:27,880
leave them something.

1383
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:32,239
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna leave them nothing dusk, is that right?

1384
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,119
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much.

1385
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 9: I know you worked all day and you're tired, and

1386
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:42,720
uh we're you know, Amanda's experiencing storms. So we're gonna

1387
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,279
end it here. Thank everybody for being in chat. The

1388
01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:48,079
people that are listening, you know, they'll be listening on

1389
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:52,439
the other platforms. We appreciate you all listening. And I

1390
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,600
just thought it was important for us to get this

1391
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,279
out there, and it gave us a chance to have

1392
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:01,960
a good discussion on anatomy that like we've seen it,

1393
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:02,279
you know.

1394
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 3: And and so.

1395
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 9: It just when I when that when that AI generated,

1396
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:14,800
I was stunned because I'm like, man, if that was

1397
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,800
looking from the back of you, it'd be really close.

1398
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,279
But Katie, I know you're shy. You do a really

1399
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:24,119
good job. As an honor to hear the stories from you,

1400
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,720
I know, you don't like doing it, and I you know,

1401
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,880
I knew when I asked you the odds of you

1402
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,720
might not, but I.

1403
01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:37,319
Speaker 3: Appreciate it very much. So what you cut out come

1404
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:40,920
on for you? Oh, I appreciate it. And tell tell

1405
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,920
John we said, hey, I will.

1406
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,119
Speaker 9: He's probably got your good supper cook and everything waiting

1407
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:46,840
on you.

1408
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,079
Speaker 8: No, he's out as I'm gonna make me oodles and

1409
01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:51,720
noodles and a grilled cheese and hit the bed.

1410
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,199
Speaker 10: That sounds like a good idea to me.

1411
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, so we'll end it right there, y'all, go get

1412
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,359
you oodles and noodles. Heather's got me something in there.

1413
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:02,520
I don't know what it is as yet, but thank

1414
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,039
y'all very much. I appreciate everyone of you. I'll get

1415
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:09,319
those pictures and show them at the beginning of the

1416
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:12,319
show next week. I'm talking to Bama Murdoch. We've got

1417
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:16,239
an idea. I'm trying to get him and maybe somebody

1418
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:20,760
else to come on and talk about how they started out.

1419
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,880
You know, he's a police officer, and you know the

1420
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,960
evidence and gathering evidence and then stranger stuff that's happened

1421
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,279
that kind of changes your mind, you know, about possibilities

1422
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:33,560
you know, and uh, we're working on that, so hopefully

1423
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,479
that'll be next Thursday. Amanda, thank you for everything, and

1424
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,439
all right, y'all, y'all have a good weekend. Stay safe

1425
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:40,840
out there.

1426
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 8: Good not everybody, man, almost.

1427
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,399
Speaker 3: I almost left the studio instead of hitting in the stream.

1428
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 6: Oh, don't do that.

1429
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,239
Speaker 8: Hanging out here, Amanda, Like, well.

1430
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:54,359
Speaker 10: I don't just be like, uh, well, hi, y'all, bye, y'all.

1431
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 3: All right, good night.

1432
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,520
Speaker 11: Down in the pines, where the water runs black, where

1433
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,000
the moss sangs low and the night leans back. The

1434
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:21,119
stores whisper about a shadow, tall, big feet moving where

1435
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:22,279
the moonlight fall.

1436
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 7: Some save it be some saved ghosts in the trees.

1437
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,560
Some say it trouble blowing in with the breeze.

1438
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 11: But around here, man, we know the call, or we

1439
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,520
just call him friends, the squatching howler.

1440
01:18:37,039 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 3: So lie that let the cat.

1441
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,239
Speaker 4: Tell shake the birth time copper heads waving.

1442
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 11: Here Georgia fall.

1443
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: It ain't no man, and it ain't no doll.

1444
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,279
Speaker 4: When a creek grill's cold and the shadows get taller, Yeah,

1445
01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:56,039
you cross the line in the squatting all the well,

1446
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,880
it just walk getting a brave man falter.

1447
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:03,239
Speaker 7: But I mind just that been a squatching how where

1448
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:23,279
body tell me stories about a thing? Ain't sauce to

1449
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:24,560
ten foot.

1450
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 6: High with a tim But y'all red ice burning like

1451
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,319
a summer's coat left tracks think enough to swallow your sob.

1452
01:19:32,319 --> 01:19:35,600
But the old folks laugh, say, don't you fear if

1453
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,920
krit has been living here for hundreds of years, treat

1454
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,079
them with respect when the moon gets smaller.

1455
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 7: And they'll let you live in squatching.

1456
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 3: Holler, So light that fire.

1457
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 6: Let the swamp drum roll.

1458
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 7: You can hear that beast right down in your soul

1459
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:54,199
if you hear her ground from the river.

1460
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 6: Karl.

1461
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:58,279
Speaker 7: It ain't no boat frout barking that lord.

1462
01:19:58,119 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 4: Little swamp urn stealing the niggers get salt to y'all

1463
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,800
night alone and spotting on the weather brevedy ties in

1464
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,319
the fools off fother lord, keep watching on next watching holler.

1465
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 7: Some say gods it old pine ridge.

1466
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 11: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge the warm

1467
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:52,000
thanks show. When the night comes down, something big still calls.

1468
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:57,239
Speaker 3: It's grown so bank that fo hell.

1469
01:20:57,359 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 4: Let the night get deep at the willows will while.

1470
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 7: The coots so creeps. Did you catch us glimpse through

1471
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:04,439
the midnight?

1472
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 8: Holler?

1473
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 7: Just nod your head, don't scream and holler.

1474
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 4: Because of wild I'm on springing and the legends getting taller.

1475
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:14,039
Speaker 3: How wherever it rons in squatching.

1476
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 4: Holly, we ain't scared, but we sure stayed cautious down

1477
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:17,760
in

1478
01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:20,199
Speaker 3: The dock, on that squatching hollow,