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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I'm Dana Valley coming.

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Speaker 2: At you with a slew of people today to do

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the five year NBA redraft.

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Speaker 1: You heard a little bit about it and the intro

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that Grant and I recorded. Grant and I are here.

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Speaker 2: We are joined by our esteemed Leacher Report colleagues, Jay

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Dunbar Bryan Daporak. We do not have Bryant Knox, the

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other participant of this draft, but we do have his picks,

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so we'll go through those and slander him accordingly.

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Speaker 1: For them, they are socials.

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Speaker 2: Jay, Bryant's and Brian's will be in the YouTube and

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podcast descriptions, or if you're watching, they will be up

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on screen. But before we get started, Brian, do you

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think that you could just take the kids through and

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let them know.

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Speaker 1: How we approached this five year redraft?

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Speaker 3: It would be my pleasure. Thank you guys for having

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us and for participating. This always a ton of fun

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and I'm very excited to both slander and defend slander

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everyone else's picks and defend mine. So the premise here,

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we are doing the twenty twenty through twenty twenty four

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draft classes. Anyone who was undrafted during that time is

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also eligible, namely Austin Reeves. We are starting every franchise

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from scratch, so you do not have to consider team

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fit here, and it was if every team is starting

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from scratch with this player pool, who would you pick

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to build your franchise around moving forward? We are not

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considering contracts in here. We are considering injuries. So notably,

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Tyre's Halliburton has a torn achilles in real life. He

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has a torn achilles in this scenario as well. But

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if you believe that he will be fine come twenty

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twenty six when he has recovered, you can pick Tyre's Haliburton.

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And that is fair game. Believe that is everything. I

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guess I should note the teams were ordered in reverse

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of their winning percentage over the past five years. Case

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you're wondering how we arrived at the order we did,

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but again, we weren't taking team fit into account. So

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just to just to confuse you a little more, the

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teams don't really matter. The order of the players is

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really all that matters.

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Speaker 2: I have I have a question, Yes, how is it

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is it the second year in a row that we

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have done this and you've had the first pick each time?

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Speaker 1: I would like to know, I calls.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did. I knew that was going to be

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an accusation. I sent a video of me running a randomizer.

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I'm surprised that no one accused me of running the

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randomizer like ten times until I actually got number one again.

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But shout out to random. I believe random dot org

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is the esteemed place that continues to grant me. Victor

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Webbin yell at number one.

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Speaker 4: I just am a little insulted. You didn't think we

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would notice the Sora watermark on the videos. I did,

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at least, I think.

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Speaker 3: I only whatever.

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Speaker 4: It's fine, it's fine. It's not like this is a

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one player draft anyway. There's a clear number one overall.

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Speaker 3: I only had to drain one small league to get

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my number one pick.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of the number one pick, you want to

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take us through it, and you're logic.

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Speaker 4: P thought process here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to take about fifty minutes to defend

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taking Victor webbit yam at number one. No ten seconds.

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I mean one player in this group of players has

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goat in his realistic range of outcomes. It's Wemby. He's

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led the league in blocks three straight years, averaging a

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career high rebounds points, basically everything decided to cut down

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on threes and is now just murdering people inside. I mean,

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as if he could stay healthy, he's going to be

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a top ten player all time, if not top five,

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if he could stay healthy, as a fair question, given

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what happened last year, and he's already sidelined this year,

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but with this amount of talent, I'm taking that gamble

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without question.

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Speaker 1: Is is there an argument at all?

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Speaker 2: I'm asking the room at large here if you were

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concerned about someone who's built like he is, just this

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physiological anomaly to say, I know someone else in this

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draft is going to make seven all NBA teams or something,

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and is there any art I wouldn't have done it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking, would could you make that case?

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Speaker 4: Or no? I mean, like you're making the like the

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floor case, like you're the I don't. I don't. I

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don't think there is a short, short retort a response.

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There's there's no argument against taking with me. We can

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work really hard if we want to.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to agree, especially because if you as

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up again. So I mean, I know what you're saying

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with the tall guy syndrome. But uh yeah, I'm not

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gonna work hard as Grant said to make that case.

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Speaker 1: So the draft actually begins with me at number two.

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Speaker 2: All good things begin with me anyway, as Grant NOAs

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be my co host.

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Speaker 1: I have the Wizards here at number two.

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Speaker 2: I went with Kay Cunningham, and I think that we've

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entered highly debatable territory.

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Speaker 1: For the next few picks.

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Speaker 2: I considered Evan Mobley here was probably the toughest cut

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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards as well.

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Speaker 2: My logic for Kate Cunningham became, look at what he's

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been able to do for an offense that has really

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never optimized the personnel around him, and the efficiency quibbles

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are fine, I get them. Give this guy help and

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you saw it like a real secondary like even playing

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along Dennis Shuder was a big deal for Kate Cunningham,

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and I found myself asking who are the other primary

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ball handlers in the NBA who are also as good

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on defense as Kate Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: Where he can do a lot of the low man stuff.

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Speaker 2: He's a good rebounder now, which he will push the

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pace off of and he is not going to be

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a sieve when he's in one on one situations or

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submarine a team defense. The list I came up with,

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and I went through this with Grant a little bit.

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There's healthy Jason Tatum, there's Giannis. If you throw him

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into that, you can't put maybe down the line. He

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wasn't eligible, but Cooper flag for this draft. So just

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looking at the macro not for this draft, and that's

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why I went.

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Speaker 1: With Kate Cunningham.

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Speaker 2: Is I don't want to play the is he a

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best two way player in the game card? But if

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your primary ball handler can also be a really valuable

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defender and can drive that type of impact at both

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ends of the floor, I'm going to bet on the

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Wizards being able to assemble a more flattering supporting cast

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around Kate Cunningham in the years to come.

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Speaker 4: This is a defensible pick. I wouldn't have made it,

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but you know, everybody gets to run their own race.

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You also forgot twenty twenty two April to June Andrew

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not in this draft class. But I just thought we

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don't talk about it enough. I guess I'm up next.

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Anybody have anything on kid, I mean any commial pretty

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good pick.

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Speaker 3: I want to save hulster fire until after your pick,

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because I think yes, and then we can go to

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BK's and that that that quester surprised me, I will say, yeah, okay,

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bit for this in the lead up.

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Speaker 4: So I as the Charlotte Hornets took Tyres Haliburton at

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number three, and yes, injuries are a thing. Yes he

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has one of the worst ones that you can have.

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Don't care. There are no players in this draft pool

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who have been the best player on a championship team.

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Tyres Haliburton is the only one that has been the

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best player on a conference finalist that took a historical

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juggernaut to seven games and might have beat him if

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he hadn't gotten hurt. So I'm weighing the what has

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he done much more heavily than the what might he

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do post injury. With that said, the argument I made

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when I wrote up the defense of this is Kevin

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Durant was five years older when he tore his achilles,

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and that was six years ago, and he looks pretty

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good and has been pretty solid since then. I think

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Haliburton has a very good chance to get back to

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is an All NBA player after he comes back. I

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would also say that a huge factor here, and the

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reason I took him over guys like Edwards and like

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Mobiley was that I think Haliburton is the rarest kind

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of offensive player, which is, if you have him, you

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play a certain way and it works, like he is

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an infectious offensive leader, like on the Steve Nash level.

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I think, and we know it it works because he

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did it last year, like he was the reason. There

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are others, but he was the main reason the Pacers

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went to the absolute precipice of winning a title. And

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that's just gonna. I'll acknowledge the risks and the downsides

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and the uncertainty, but if we're trying to get the

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guy that you want to build a franchise around, I'm

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gonna take the one that took his the farthest. That's

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kind of like the end of the justification. And so

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Speaker 1: I have unmoved, but I did it.

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Speaker 4: You have a draft with your heart too, and this

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was this is also a heart pick.

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Speaker 3: There you go. So I guess we could spoil that.

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the San Antonio Spurs, and I just, I mean, I

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appreciate you guys both addressing that right off the bat

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in your justifications why you passed up him, in particular,

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because you know, I made a list ahead of time,

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and Aunt was number two on mine, and I thought

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that was gonna be like pretty consensus. Web won Aunt two.

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threes through seven tier that you could really go any

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which way. I would imagine that is not necessarily maybe

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not the consensus. But like if you ask most people

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who are you taking over Aunt? Kate or Aunt or Halle?

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I'm not saying you guys are wrong, Like it's interesting

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hearing that conventional thinking challenged.

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Speaker 2: I Can we just sit here and say Grant is wrong?

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Speaker 4: AUNT gets to the finals?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: No, so I understand that logic, But look at this,

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and Durant specifically never played the style of game that

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was so predicated on him just blitzing up and down

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the floor with the ball in his hands and I

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feel like coming back from what they need him to

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do both on the ball and off the ball, Like

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if he's your team tent Paul, I just feel like

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there's more of a risk for the floor to fall

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out from underneath him. And it's different with you know,

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we're working on hypotheticals with Wemby, but like Tyr's Haliburton

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is actually dealing with this thing as we speak.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys don't know this, but Dan doesn't believe

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in medical science. This is the time to this feels

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like the time to reveal it.

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Speaker 2: For RFK, Yeah, just cut out the title and all,

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and never would have suffered this injury.

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Speaker 4: I know for a fact Charriis Haliburtn does not consume

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artificial dies and so his achilles is going to recover. No,

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Achilles thing, just that I do think there's a good

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argument to be made that, like, Halliverton's best asset is

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the way his brain processes basketball, and that's gonna be unaffected.

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big draft knocks is he's not super quick, and this

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is a guy that doesn't have a step to lose

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and so great. If he can see everything that needs

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to happen, if he can't physically do it, then this

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is a terrible pick. Good news is we won't We'll

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all have forgotten about this by twenty twenty six when

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he's back playing and so and I'll deny that I didn't. No,

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but Edwards is way safer, right, Like Edwards is just

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he's super durable. He's been on very good teams. He

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plays both ends, mostly in the playoffs onf on the

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defensive side. But like other than Wemby, I think I

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think Edwards, I mean, Caid's really good. But but Edwards

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to Van Moble is really like I get it, I

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totally get it. Edwards is by far the safer pick.

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would you and you did go with Evan Mobley?

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Speaker 1: Would you have Is there a case he made that

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have a mobile?

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Speaker 2: Should have went for Ann or if you if Ant

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was still on the if you had the if the pixliplock,

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would you have taken Aunt over Evan Mobley?

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Speaker 5: I probably would have taken it. I think was with Brian,

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I mean I had I had a graphic made up

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for the article that goes with this exercise beforehand, and

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I had Webby and ant On there and maybe that's

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just because they're the biggest stars, but I also thought

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that they were going to be one and two. But yes,

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I did take Mobile at five for our fictional Houston Rockets,

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and you know, he's, like he's already.

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Speaker 1: Their point card in real life, I think at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's not saying much, but okay, true,

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So yeah, I mean, he he's already the defensive player

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of the Air ring defensi player of the Air, top

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ten mv VP guy last year, and you know, he's

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if he doesn't grow at all, he deserves a spot.

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But I mean, I know earlier this year they're trying

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to run the offense through him a little bit more

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with Garland out and with like other roster changes, but

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you know, and that didn't go quite swimmingly. But you know,

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that's still like a new role for him, and just

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his where his baseline already is and his potential for

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growth offensively is just he could push up into that,

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you know, higher. This pick could look low in a

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couple of years, even at the end of this year.

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So I was happy to get him at five.

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Speaker 1: We should probably do like a superlative things at the end.

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Speaker 2: But I think this ends up being one of the

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best picks of the drafts because I had my big

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board was Wemby, and then I flip flop between Kate

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and Evan Mobley, And anyone who has read my redrafts

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of that draft class in the past knows that I'm

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a notorious flip flopper on.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Mobley.

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Speaker 2: Was an excellent pick here Jay excellent value too, and

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everyone who passed on him except for me as an idiot.

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Speaker 3: But I don't want you taking mobiley mobilely over Wemby.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's fair bet a past, but you also

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rigged the draft, or so I might be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had Mobile lower than consensus, I think,

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and I guess, so I don't know. I mean I

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saw there was I think an athletic place recently that

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was saying like they were hoping for the best version

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of the Calves is if Evan Mobley is their best

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player and they have been underwhelmed with the returns so far,

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like they want him to take another leap and now

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they're starting to doubt if that's in there for him.

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So I think that's kind of the the tough thing

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for a couple of these picks is like, you know,

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you're not only basing it on what they are, but

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projecting moving forward. Like mobiley, if he hits his ceiling

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is going to be in this range, but like what

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if this is more or less who he is as

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a player, And that that was a factor for a

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pick that I've made later on that Dan, I know

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you're gonna frist me over the coles for so we'll

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get there.

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Speaker 1: Jay, you also had picked number six. Who did you take?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Jeez? Who did I take? When you go to

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the drop board? Oh? Maxie? Yes? So this one, I

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I was kind of struggling between Alpie, Shangoon and Maxie.

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And while I was kind of trying to not be

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a prisoner of the moment with you know, some of

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the stagnation that Mobile's going through at the moment, MAXI

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kind of you know, he's he on the NBA for

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a few nights not long before this raft, so that

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might have been a little bit in my head.

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Speaker 6: But he's I've also kind of planned through my flag

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a little bit with him. He's just he's just kind

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of the guy that I sort of sort of gravitate

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to his just his his just mentality and is worth

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ethic on top of his talent, just his leadership and

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the growth that he's shown there. And I mean, I think,

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like just putting a ceiling on this guy is a mistake.

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And I said that the last time we did this exercise,

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when I think I took him in the top five

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as well. And his just his growth is just across

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the board. His efficiency up, is his averages are up.

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I think he's like second and scoring right now. So

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I feel pretty good about it. I might regret that

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leaving Shanghun on the board, especially you know, with his

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growth as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean we're in some like pretty this this stretch

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here is a lot of talent up at the top,

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so I mean you kind of can't go wrong. But

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I'm happy with Maxi. But like I said, I could

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be provedrouns.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's we're good. We're running out

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of guys that you could say I could envision him

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being the best offensive player on a really high level team.

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And now there's some more speculative picks, but Maxi is

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like certainly playing like that guy right now and has

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for a couple of years. This we're officially in territory

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of like, yeah, I get it, and we can't. You

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almost can't knock it because there's a case for MAXI

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for sure, I Shangoon just sitting there and we're going

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to talk about him that that's the only other one

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that I think you could really Yeah, that makes this tough.

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Speaker 2: Shows shanng Goon went BK had that pick Brian Knox right,

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nooneh doesn't know him or isn't watching on screen, had

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the Shangoon pick at number seven went to the Orlando Magic.

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I want to ask Brian, as the resident Sixers fan,

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who would you have gone with when it becomes between

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like a Maxie Shangoon.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean it is hard not to be

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a prisoner at the moment, but like both guys, with

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both guys in that respect, like Maxie is putting up

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such insane numbers right now, but he's also playing forty

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one minutes a game and is about to have his

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hamstring tear into four pieces, whereas Shangoon, you know, is

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not playing for Canadian tips. Who's playing for a coach

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who actually respects a normal minut's allocation, although he's honestly

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playing thirty seven minutes a game, so I guess it's

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not that much better. He Manadoka is trying to get

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his tips on as well. Uh Man, I I'm just

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gonna be a homer and say Maxie because I didn't

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see this type of a leap coming from him. It

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there was some concern last year that he I don't

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want to say stagnated, but like he wasn't fully ready.

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You know, like there is the question of ken he

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be the number one option a really good team, Like

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you knew he could be the number two next to

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Joel Embiid with all the attention that he commanded, but

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with them beard out, he was starting, you know, he

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was the number one guy on the Scotting report most nights.

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He kind of struggled with dealing with that type of attention,

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especially when he got double teams started to figure it

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out midway through the season and then got hurt and

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it was the last season, so it didn't really matter.

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This year. I mean, Embiid has barely played, Paul George

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has barely played, and he is just single handedly carrying

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the Sixers every night. I mean it's close with him

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and Shenguin. But you know, I do worry a little

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bit about, you know, building a round a center who

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is not either an elite three point shooter or an

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elite shot blocker. You know, Jokic is the one exception

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where he's just such a ridiculously good passer that it

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doesn't matter. And I know Shangun is baby basically baby

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Yokic in that regard. And he's also added a three

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point shot this year on low volume, it's still shooting

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almost forty four from three, which is just a revelation

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for him. So like, I really don't think you could

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go wrong, but I'll just be a homer in Saint.

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Speaker 2: MAXI grant would you have picked because I would have

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warned With Shangoun, I.

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Speaker 4: Think I think it depends on where you. I think

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I probably would have gone MAXI. And the reason is,

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like I said, I'm we're already past like this is

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our alpha on a championship team level type of guys,

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I think, And like you don't want to make the

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scalable and portable, like this is way too early. It

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feels like in a draft with five draft classes to

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be thinking about that. But like like Brian's. I feel

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like Maxi Maxi can be good. Maxi can be a

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number two for sure, because the shooting play is no

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matter what right like that's he's a good enough shooter

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that if he's off the ball, like you're terrified, you

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have to account for him. And he's so quick he

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can absolutely be on the ball. He's showing this year

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even more than ever. Defensively, like Shangun, I think has

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proved he can be part of a very good defense.

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I don't think anyone would make the case that he's

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the most important part of some good Rockets defenses. Maxi

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is has generally been regarded as not a good defender,

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but how much does that matter at his position? I

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would say less so than the shan gun concerns. I think,

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I go Maxi there, but it's it's close. I think

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we could be a debating these two all day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just looked at it through the perspective of since

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it was from scratch, who do I think would need

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more ancillary help around them to build? And I look

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at I know Houston has Durant now, but the offense

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is killing it even when Durant's not on the floor,

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and Shangoon's there. I think just his level of passing

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and then the just his body type and having a

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center bring the ball up the floor. I think he

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needs less talent around him to raise the floor of

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an offense than a tires max he does.

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Speaker 1: Is where I landed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: You had pick number eight, Grant, who which team had it?

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And who did you take?

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Speaker 4: The Toronto Raptors had it, and I this is a

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little and I'll admit to this is another pick with

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your heart a little bit. But and I've been prefacing

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this for several picks. I do think we're out of

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number one options. That's been the knock on Jalen Williams.

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I would note that the Thunderworld plus five point four

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in the playoffs last year when I think they won

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the championship, when Jadab was on the floor and Shay

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was off. So he made strides towards answering that can

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he be the guy without another guy as an offensive leader.

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I think it's like it may be the type of

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thing where from series to series, because the Thunder going

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to be in a lot of playoff series, he can

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he'll answer the bell sometimes and he won't, so he's

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like a one point five option or something like that.

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But I think he's just the portability thing and the scalability,

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Like he's good at literally everything. All defensive player, last

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year All NBA player, has shown the ability to shoot

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over forty percent from three when he's not tasked with

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a ton of playmaking. He's just like, I don't know,

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he's other than Caid, I guess, And maybe Edward's like

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the most complete player in this pool, and at eight

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I think I think you do that, especially if you believe,

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which I still am inclined to, there might be some

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like if he were on a different team or had

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been tasked with first option creator stuff, he might be

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able to do that more regularly or maybe all the time.

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Speaker 2: Plus I have another follow up question, are you planning

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at all to draft anyone who's played a game this season?

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Speaker 4: Let's see, Yeah, my next pick has played this season,

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so yeah, I you know, again with the with the

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I think he'll be okay with the shooting risk, the

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thunder or just sand bagging it so they don't have

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to pay him, and they they did it. He's not

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going to play sixty five games, have to pay the

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super max rates. Honestly gamesmanship.

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Speaker 2: Do J or Brian, do you have any thoughts on

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Grant going j Dup here with some of the other

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names that are still on the board.

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Speaker 5: I do not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I hear the concern about can he

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be the number one option? But I mean every NBA

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franchise wants a star two way wing, and you're you're

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not going to get many better in this age range

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than j Dup. So even if you have to find

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someone who can lighten the scoring load on him in

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the future, like just historically, you're going to run into

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another star wing in the playoffs. He is the guy

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you throw on that wing and just let him go

475
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,720
to work. So I think it's a great pick there.

476
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 5: Yeah. I would have had him there too. I think,

477
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:54,559
you know, there aren't maybe one number one option left.

478
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,519
We'll get to him later, but yeah, J jumps the

479
00:23:58,559 --> 00:23:59,160
pick for me too.

480
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,039
Speaker 2: I went at number nine for the Pelicans and took

481
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,400
Chet Holmgren and two players gave me pause here not

482
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,440
to pick Chet, and based off where they ended up

483
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,279
going in the draft, apparently I would have been the

484
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,480
only one who had pause at this spot when looking

485
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,039
at a Scottie Barnes or Apalo Bencaro. I do not think,

486
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,799
let's start off here, that chet Holmgren can be the

487
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,720
number one option for an offense.

488
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: I think he can.

489
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: We've started off the past two seasons when he's been

490
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,279
healthy of wow, look at what he is doing. Though

491
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,799
in a more more expanded offensive role. He gets conflated

492
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:32,960
among the bigs who I feel like people think they

493
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,400
can only stretch the floor, and his game just basically

494
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,359
spans every level. And this season I'm kind of sold

495
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,680
of putting them if he can go on drives or

496
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,640
catch the ball on the move, He's just more equipped

497
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,000
to deal with physicality and finishing near the basket. And

498
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,319
that kind of tipped the scales for me, because when

499
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,000
you start to go through the list looking at the

500
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,079
other end of the floor, Let's just assume Victor woman

501
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,799
Yama plays in sixty five games in every single season.

502
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,480
Who are the list of players that you think could

503
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,440
realistic challenge him for Defensive Player of the year. Chet

504
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,079
Holmgren is on that short list in so far again

505
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,759
as one exists.

506
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Maybe some people don't think that they do.

507
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: And that's where I just he's he's scalable. I know

508
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,880
Grant doesn't like that word in the top ten. He

509
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,759
called it no, no, or whatever. But his offensive game

510
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,400
is scalable and his defense is he's a defensive Player

511
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,599
of the Year type anchor. The health gave me pause,

512
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,720
but he hasn't dealt with anything chronic, and so that

513
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,759
that was me was okay. He's had a lot of

514
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,640
like the Anthony Davis ism of oh, he's just dealing

515
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,400
with all these different injuries and some of them are serious,

516
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,119
but they're not reoccurring.

517
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: And so I felt confident enough to take him here.

518
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 4: I will say that he was. I wasn't sure which

519
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,160
between him and Jado, but I was going to take

520
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,119
until like the last minute. I really, like, I really

521
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,400
did think about him. The positional value is just like

522
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,720
it's stupid. Did you get all that from a center

523
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,319
that can defend the rim for you? Like it's it

524
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,240
was a real it was a real tough one. I

525
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,000
I would push back a little bit on the like

526
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,359
the chronic nature, like is it bad that his bones

527
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,920
break a lot? Like it's our concerning level with trail.

528
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: So isn't Anthony Davis's most chronic injury injuries themselves? And

529
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,079
if that's the Dane isn't that the territory that Chet

530
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,519
is falling into, which is still a problem. It's just

531
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,599
let's give him more than you know, like three seasons

532
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:22,640
and change to see if it actually is an always

533
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,160
injured thing.

534
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,079
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean the hip one is like, don't

535
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,359
get undercut, Like that's a little bit out of his control.

536
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: I would cone, but it's not like he reaggravated the

537
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:31,839
Liz Frank injury that you know what I mean?

538
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,839
Speaker 1: Like, that's what I was trying to look at it through.

539
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,599
Speaker 2: Any thoughts from Jay or Brian on why my pick

540
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:38,599
was one hundred percent correct?

541
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: Or do we just wonder?

542
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: No?

543
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: Number ten was the Utah Jazz who had this one?

544
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,599
Speaker 5: That was me?

545
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: Yep, this is so I'm just gonna invite Orlando Magic fans. Uh,

546
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,000
you can find me on Twitter at the T O

547
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,440
P O K and I that's correct. Yeah, so blame

548
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,720
me all you want there. I will never see it.

549
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,799
But uh, spoiler, I did not I had back to

550
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,599
back picks here, and I did not take Paolo Bancaro

551
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,680
with either of these picks. So we'll start with I'm

552
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:18,319
and Thompson. Look, he's I don't think aman's going to

553
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,279
be a number one option, and Poolow is more established

554
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,759
in that role for sure. So if that's what I

555
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,680
was going for, then I would have preferred Polo. But

556
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,599
again I'm thinking going back to the Jadub thing, like

557
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:32,839
you're going to run into star Wings in the playoffs.

558
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,920
You're going to you know, assuming Jason Tatum comes back

559
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,559
healthy next year or Jalen Brown, you know, Boston gets

560
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,839
back to being what they were, there's a chance you

561
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,839
see those guys in the finals for the next couple

562
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,519
of years. If you're sticking in the West and Jadab

563
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,480
is in the West, you're going to see Jadab in

564
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,039
the playoffs. You need a star on both ends of

565
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:56,160
the floor that can deal with a player like that,

566
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,759
and I think I'm in you know, he he's more

567
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:04,480
of a box of clay right now, then more of

568
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,240
these guys who are more well formed, Like, we don't

569
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,839
know exactly what Amen's going to be, but so far

570
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,599
he's taking a leap this year as a playmaker. He

571
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,119
finished fifth and defensive Player of the Year race as

572
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,359
a sophomore, got a first team All Defense not last year.

573
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,720
You know, shooting is going to be the swing skill

574
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,640
for him. He is not a good three point shooter

575
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,039
that has not come around this year. If that never

576
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,960
comes around, that's going to limit his ceiling. But still,

577
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,680
he's just so defensively versatile that I think that gives

578
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:35,480
him such a high floor. And if the playmaking holds true,

579
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,240
even if he doesn't turn into this elite number one

580
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:42,240
option scorer, like, he's going to be a guy that

581
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,359
you just want on your team because he can blow

582
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,039
up the other team's game plan. So that is that's

583
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:49,720
why I went him at number ten.

584
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: Do you are we discounting him offensively at all when

585
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
you say he can't, because I think in year three,

586
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720
no one was going to say that Yannis would.

587
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: Have counters or be a number one option at all.

588
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:06,119
Speaker 2: If you think that Giannis isn't a true number one option, sure,

589
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,279
but I would say at this stage Amends maybe even

590
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:10,680
shown a little bit more as a pastor than Yiannis did.

591
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400
And there are two different types of players on the ball,

592
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,200
Like he has this amen, Thompson has more of this

593
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:19,119
like nuclear boletic athleticism, where Yannis so often in the

594
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,960
beginning just felt like more of a brute force, especially

595
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,920
once he kind of filled out. Is there did that

596
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,720
factor into the equation all for you that, oh there

597
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,279
is more offensive or do you maybe distrust more that.

598
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,400
I don't know if Amen Thompson like Giannis is taking

599
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,880
mid rangers, has on all counters, is taking threes even

600
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,559
though people don't.

601
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,559
Speaker 1: Necessarily loves when he does it.

602
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,559
Speaker 2: I'm just curious as to whether you like or at

603
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,480
large or we maybe underrating the ability for Amen Thompson

604
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,000
to broaden his offensive horizons down the line.

605
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,559
Speaker 3: I mean that was baked into this that again, like

606
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:55,559
he is less fully formed, so like there's a chance

607
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,599
that he takes a big leap offensively, like the playmaking

608
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,599
is already taking a big leap. But yeah, I mean

609
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,119
maybe the scoring comes around and then pair that with

610
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
the defense. Like That's why I'm willing to gamble at

611
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,319
him at number ten, even if there are some more

612
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:13,000
fully established options that we're still on the board at

613
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:14,000
this spot.

614
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Nobody had anything else to add. You want to take

615
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,279
us through your pick number eleven.

616
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 3: B Yes, which I know you in particular love this

617
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,440
pick Indiana Pacers at number eleven with Paolo Bancaro still

618
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,480
on the board, take Jalen Johnson and I'm willing to

619
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,839
go to bat for this one, because we've seen Jalen

620
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,119
Johnson this year without Trey Young. I mean, he just

621
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000
looks like a two way superstar at this point. It's

622
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
not a matter of should they move on from Trey

623
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Young or not. I don't really care about that, but

624
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,200
it's clear the Atlanta Hawks, Jalen Johnson is the best

625
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,599
player on the Atlanta Hawks right now and they should

626
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,119
not go back to Trey Young. This heliocentric Trey Young offense,

627
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,279
and Jalen Johnson is the side piece. Jalen Johnson is

628
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:05,519
averaging almost twenty two to ten and seven, shooting fifty

629
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,599
six percent overall forty one point five from three. And

630
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160
this isn't just a small sample sized thing. Last year,

631
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,119
he was already breaking out before the shoulder injury. But

632
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,599
he was at you know, nineteen ten and five last year,

633
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,559
and that was with him being more of a sidekick

634
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,960
to Trey Young. So when I was kidding, I mean,

635
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,880
Paolo was the other guy obviously that I was torn

636
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,480
between because he is a more established number one option offensively.

637
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,119
But then I was just going back and forth comparing

638
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,720
the two, and I just kept asking myself, like, what

639
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,079
is Paolo definitively better? At than Jalen other than drawing

640
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,559
fouls free time.

641
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,759
Speaker 4: You know, so go ahead, Dan, I think, so, Dan,

642
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:49,920
you take Polo next, and then maybe we should kind

643
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,960
of have a little bracket around these three picks because

644
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,759
I think it's interesting.

645
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:57,039
Speaker 2: Yes, so, yes, I had the Kings at number twelve,

646
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,559
and I took Paalo bank Carol.

647
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, I consider taking with my previous pick.

648
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,119
Speaker 2: Here's the two things that I don't understand with the

649
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,799
Jalen Johnson over Plow picks. But I think the Amen

650
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,119
Thompson pick is pretty easily justifiable, just you're betting on

651
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,680
the speculative nature of what he could become. Offensively, Jalen

652
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,359
Johnson won has not like it's he's had three breakout

653
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,240
seasons because he just can't really stay healthy. It feels

654
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:26,079
like you've also surrounded him this year. The offense has

655
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,519
been good when he's on the court without Trey Young.

656
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:32,000
He has a better spacing environment around him still than

657
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,720
Paalo basically ever had until this season, and probably it's

658
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,079
a better spacing environment than Polo has right now. The defense,

659
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,200
I think it's to call him a two way superstar,

660
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,359
I think stretches it. He's fine, but like, I don't know,

661
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,200
he doesn't do anything for me. Is it really like

662
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:47,960
someone who's gonna grab rebounds and can go up and

663
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,240
down the floor and end possessions?

664
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: I guess sure.

665
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,759
Speaker 2: But opponents are shooting thirty one percent from three when

666
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,119
Jalen Johnson's on the floor, and Jalen Johnson has nothing

667
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,359
to do about that, and so it feels like some

668
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,240
of those numbers gets kewed. And so I look at

669
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,960
what Polo one is done in the playoffs, like he's

670
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,519
had some they've been short appearances, but he's had some

671
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,960
really monster cameos there. And when you start to look at, well,

672
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,480
the confines in which he has worked with the Orlando

673
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,759
Magic are just so bad. And you can point to

674
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,599
this season before his groin injury and say, well, he

675
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,079
hasn't done enough for He just hasn't done enough as

676
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,279
to progress and be more efficient, which I think is

677
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:30,039
a real concern. But you're just kind of looking throughout

678
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,440
the course of this dude's career and this is like

679
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,519
the spacing around him has been atrocious that they've ranked

680
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,160
in like the tenth percent tiler or worse of teammates

681
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,799
spacing around Paolo for basically his entire career. I guess

682
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,559
if you think he is a ball stopper, can't play faster,

683
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:46,599
and you think he's never gonna be able to play

684
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,680
at different cadences, my pushback there would be we kind

685
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,319
of thought that the same thing about Luca at one point,

686
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,319
and at least before he left Dallas he proved that

687
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,000
wasn't true.

688
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,359
Speaker 1: I just thought other picks.

689
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure people would have taken Pallo, you know before,

690
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,440
like I'm taking him now, well before I just Jaled

691
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,039
Johnson specifically, and did before Brian takes him? Did either

692
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,000
Did it stand out to any of you or you

693
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:10,960
both kind of at the point where we might just

694
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:14,599
need to recalibrate how we feel about Paalo Bancaro.

695
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,119
Speaker 4: So I want to. I think you're right in to

696
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,679
cite the environment and like it just he's not been

697
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,039
set up to succeed all that well because of the spacing.

698
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,679
The counter to that to me is like, well he's

699
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,639
why can't he help the spacing and the pace of

700
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,079
that offense? Like and the reason that's especially relevant is

701
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,119
I think Paolo is a player that if he's on

702
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,159
your team, you are built around him because of how

703
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,239
he plays and I would be concerned that unless he

704
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,760
does the things that you pointed to play faster, improve

705
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,840
shot selection space better, like we're seeing it like the

706
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,119
magic Now everyone's losing their minds because hey, maybe they

707
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,599
won't be bottom ten in offense this year. And he's

708
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,440
your best off He is your off defensive centerpiece, right so,

709
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,079
like how good are you really? He's still very young,

710
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,519
that could change. I would say that I have the

711
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,199
next pick, and I would not have taken him had

712
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,840
he been on the board, because I do think you

713
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,119
constrain yourself. It's almost a reverse of my Haliburton argument.

714
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,280
You have Haliburton, you're gonna play this way, it's gonna work.

715
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,559
You flip it. You have Palo, You're gonna play this way.

716
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,159
It has not worked. And so unless he makes real strides,

717
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:30,400
I think he's like he's like, it's a paradox. You

718
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,360
have to be built around him. And I also I'm

719
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,559
not sure you can build around him, like right, like

720
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,400
he can't be a complimentary player right now, So I

721
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,360
don't I don't know. I think you just like box

722
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,639
yourself in a little bit with him. This is all

723
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,280
terrible analysis. If he becomes a better three point shooter

724
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,360
and gonna move the ball faster because he's really young.

725
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,800
But that I right, Brian, Like, that's kind of the thinking,

726
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,519
right you just like, Okay, this is how we play

727
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:56,840
because we have Polo, and so far has it hasn't

728
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,119
It hasn't produced results.

729
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,199
Speaker 3: Yes, that is exactly, But it's kind of the same

730
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,320
with Zion. I mean, Zion is an even more extreme

731
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,800
version of this, especially with the injuries, but even remove

732
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,840
the injuries, and it's like, all right, you have this

733
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,079
six six power forward who doesn't shoot threes and can't

734
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,639
defend the rim, so you have to build a very

735
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,440
specific roster around him. And with Paolo, I think it's

736
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,679
kind of the same way, whereas Jalen Johnson, I think

737
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,079
it's a much more plug and play and could fit

738
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:28,159
in a variety of systems. But yeah, I mean I

739
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,559
absolutely acknowledge like this pick could age very badly. If

740
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:34,880
Pollo makes these strides it very well good?

741
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,559
Speaker 2: You know, I just does the context of shouldn't the

742
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,119
context of what we're actually doing here matter at all?

743
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: Too?

744
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,679
Speaker 2: You're starting a franchise from scratch, and so you want

745
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,119
to take someone who's Yeah, if he could just be

746
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,880
the second or third best player awesome, So I get

747
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,199
there there might be a rigidity to how you have

748
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,679
to build around Pallow. I don't think you can build

749
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,119
around Jalen Johnson and hope to be okay, finished top

750
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,559
four in the East Shore. You're not winning multiple playoff

751
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,159
series Janellen Johnson as your best player.

752
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: I think you're right. And I think too that what

753
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,599
taking guys like Johnson and Thompson over Pallo is illustrating

754
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,480
is like everyone's acknowledging there's a chance that Polo's ceiling.

755
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,880
Everyone acknowledges Polo's ceiling is higher than those guys and

756
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,400
several players taken earlier. I think the disconnect is maybe

757
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,320
you your stance on him reflects that you think there's

758
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,079
a greater percentage chance of him hitting that ceiling than

759
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,519
maybe the rest of us that passed on him. Think

760
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,480
you know what I mean, Like the ceiling is hard

761
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,559
to ignore, but it's like we've seen the floor and

762
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,239
the I don't know what's the analogy falls apart like

763
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,320
the middle stories of the Pallo experience, and they haven't

764
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,960
been all that great.

765
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 2: So I'm the only one so far who would have

766
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,039
taken him by now at twelve Jay, what about you?

767
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:55,719
Would you would he still be on the board for

768
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,960
you if you had picked it twelve?

769
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,119
Speaker 5: I mean Grinan and I talked about this before and

770
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,079
we were kind of laugh I was just laughing about

771
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,039
the prospect of him having to defend himself. So I

772
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:11,079
am enjoying this conversation. But I think, I I don't

773
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,159
know's it's a tough one because I think your point

774
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,000
is well taken. Dan, where at this point in the draft,

775
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:22,760
if you're building a franchise, you're you get a shot

776
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,440
at a franchise star with Polo and you're not that

777
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:31,000
Jamon Johnson. Isn't that right? So I think I would

778
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,679
take the shot of pollow and him advancing, you know,

779
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:39,199
getting to his ceiling based on those parameters, just because,

780
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,880
like like Grant said, we all agree that the ceiling

781
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,840
is higher, and if I'm starting a franchise, I want

782
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,840
a star and he might not be there yet, but

783
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,519
that's that is that's what you have to take a

784
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:53,280
shot on. So I think that's that's where I plant

785
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,119
my flag. But Brian's argument is is you know, totally valid.

786
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I think it's s us.

787
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: By the way, as a segue to Grant's you thought

788
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,800
I couldn't get one in as a segue to Grant's pick,

789
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,400
this isn't even specific to Polo. For me, I would

790
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,519
have taken who Grant is about to choose before jail

791
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:17,719
like that. I think I'm having trouble wrapping my head

792
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,719
around the jail and Johnson of it all more than

793
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,079
the I understand the concerns about Polo, but if it

794
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,119
wasn't going to be Polo, why wasn't it some of

795
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:26,880
these other guys that were about to discuss?

796
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: He is going to remind you when Jalen Johnson is

797
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,559
all NBA this year. I want this podcast to come

798
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:33,239
back to haunt you.

799
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,639
Speaker 4: It will be noted. So this is where the heist

800
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,880
really starts. Guys, I think so had I don't know

801
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,800
what I would have. Jalen Johnson was off the board,

802
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,599
so I didn't really have to think that seriously about

803
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,119
him here. But like I said, if Polo were still there,

804
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:55,079
I think I would have gone Scottie Barnes. There is

805
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,639
there is some recency here because he I mean, the

806
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,920
Raptors are way better than we expect this season. How

807
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,679
much should that matter? He seems like a lock to

808
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,480
make an all defensive team so far? How much should

809
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,280
that matter? But he's been a good defender for his

810
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,000
whole career. I pulled some of the stats up just

811
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,760
to do some cherry picking for the write up for

812
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,840
this exercise, and he's just like, whether you want to

813
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,519
sort it by this, many players in this pool have

814
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,159
averaged a block and a steal, or have averaged five

815
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,280
rebounds on five assists. Like it's just like him and Wimby,

816
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,920
or like him and one other guy most of the time.

817
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,639
So the versatility was huge here. I'm not going to

818
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:32,880
sit here and make the case he can be a

819
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,880
number one offensive option. I just don't unless unless his

820
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,840
absolute apex to this point in his career as a

821
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,840
shooter is just the baseline going forward. We could talk

822
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,679
about it then, but he's not there. I just think

823
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,400
if he's your second best player, you're a pretty good team.

824
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,280
I think at this at this stage and that was

825
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,400
kind of enough there. Didn't really think about anybody after

826
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,559
him all that hard. So yeah, I don't know, I

827
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,239
don't need to belabor it. I thought I thought he

828
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,119
was just the most well rounded, the best value here

829
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,559
of anybody that was left.

830
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: I think is this the most obvious, one of the

831
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,119
most obvious, aside from since Wemby at number one? Is

832
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:12,880
this the most obvious selection based relative who's on the moor?

833
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,199
Speaker 4: I feel like you're diminishing the wisdom of this. I think,

834
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:18,840
did you mean to say inspired?

835
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm looking at the players to come and

836
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:26,559
BK had the next pick, right, Yeah, So we moved

837
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,960
to number fourteen, and it's I really like Franz Wagner

838
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,679
and maybe there are some matters, maybe there's a Franz

839
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,559
Wagner person out there. It's at all I would take

840
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,000
in Franz over I just don't know. I definitely would

841
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,880
have been prepared to make that argument. Does anyone have

842
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,599
any thoughts about BK taking Franz Wagner at number fourteen

843
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,119
based off players to come?

844
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,519
Speaker 4: I think it's a totally defensible pick. I didn't take.

845
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,239
I didn't think about him, just because I still don't

846
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,400
think the shooting is good enough and for the type

847
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,960
of player he is, that that was kind of a

848
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:53,880
deal breaker for me.

849
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: Brian, where do you land on the Franz or Pallo discussion?

850
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,159
If you're the magic or do you think that he

851
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,400
is more valuable to their long term than Paolo.

852
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it comes down to the shooting. Like last

853
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,320
year was just so bad from him, and now this

854
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,639
year he's starting to look better again. So if that

855
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,719
is sustainable, I don't know. I mean, I think it's

856
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,159
a question that they need to answer. Like I hate

857
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,639
to go back to the you know, do you need

858
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,199
to break up Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown thing with

859
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,760
Boston because I think that that was sillier and obviously

860
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,719
they didn't, but those guys were both more well rounded

861
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,239
than Paolo and Franz. Like, I think we actually might

862
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,480
reach a point, especially based on where Orlando is financially

863
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,760
in the wake of the Desmond main trade, where they

864
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:48,360
might have to make that decision at some point. Probably

865
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,559
wouldn't happen for another year or two at least, but

866
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,880
I don't think it's a completely unreasonable thing to ask.

867
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,480
I'll say, the only other guy I would have considered

868
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:01,079
that fourteen is who Jay took it fifteen, So we

869
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:02,199
can go there.

870
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,639
Speaker 2: Well, can we point out the poetism poeticism of Franz

871
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,559
Wagner going to the Bulls in this draft when they

872
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,079
traded away that picked.

873
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 3: Hey but has panned out well for them. Lots of playoffs, playing, playing, tournament.

874
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: Success, life lifeline, that extension is going to hit like

875
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:26,480
Cocaine Jay.

876
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: Can you take us through who you picked at number

877
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,000
fifteen and where they went?

878
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, for the Atlanta Hawks, we selected Austin Reeves.

879
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaking of guys who you know own the NBA for

880
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,639
a short stretch this season, I mean, he's dropping like

881
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,800
insane scoring games, taking over la I just like I

882
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,159
think I picked this up from one of your redrafts stories, Dan,

883
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,639
But just the number is his numbers over the last

884
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:03,000
three years without stuff ours, without a D, without Luca,

885
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:07,880
without Lebron he he he has a He runs a

886
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,440
top ten offense in that time frame, So I mean

887
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,559
just the last couple of years alone. He probably warn't

888
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:17,679
a spot here in the middle of this draft, but

889
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,159
his growth this year is like, frankly unexpected at least

890
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,280
from me. And I mean the fact that he's scoring

891
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,199
as much as he doesn't and he can be that

892
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,079
like main option for short stretches just kind of I

893
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,079
was happy to get him here. I jumped right on him.

894
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:38,920
So fun, fun guy to have on the team too.

895
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,559
Speaker 2: Would am I the only one who would have taken

896
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,880
m a memo ball by now or is it we'll

897
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:46,360
get there?

898
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 4: I mean reason is the only undrafted Uh? Is he

899
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,039
only undrafted guy to get picked here?

900
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: Yes?

901
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 4: Right?

902
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

903
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah?

904
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: And it wasn't even close. There was like Nazi Marshall

905
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,440
I think was the only other one. Jose Alvarado.

906
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: Keep naming form Repelicans.

907
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: Future Pelican Ellis.

908
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 4: I don't have I don't have an issue with this pick.

909
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,559
It's just like it comes down to do you think

910
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,119
reeves numbers without stars are sustainable, like on a team

911
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,880
where there it's not just the stars aren't playing, it's

912
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,679
like they're just arn't any and he is the guy

913
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,920
all the time like that, which like I don't know

914
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,599
why you would doubt that, given it's been several years

915
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:34,559
of him kind of doing this, and especially what he's

916
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,960
done this year. I wonder if they'll be, well this

917
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,840
he's a Laker, so there probably won't be that much pushback,

918
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,760
but like, well, no, I was gonna I don't think

919
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,000
I think it's justifiable, oh.

920
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,639
Speaker 1: For for sure.

921
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: And also initially I think it helped his profile that

922
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,159
he was on the Lakers, but now I think people

923
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:54,679
outside of LA have your probably to overcompensate for people

924
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:58,599
near La who are like trumpeting up Austin Reeves is

925
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,320
this next big thing? And I think we you maybe is.

926
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,719
I don't know if it's a point for him or

927
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,559
against him. If you're doubting whether he can do stuff

928
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,480
as the primary guy, it's almost easier based off the

929
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,320
stuff he does the best now to fit him in

930
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,639
as the primary guy and trust him less as a

931
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,559
secondary guy because he's not going to give you a

932
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,760
ton defensively. And so unless you're if your primary guy

933
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,840
is Luca, those two can actually work together on offense.

934
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,440
It's well, how do you build out the defense around them?

935
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,440
And so if Austin Reeves is just your focal point

936
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,639
of the offense, it becomes a little bit easier to

937
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:33,119
build out your your defense rather than focusing on our

938
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,280
top one and two options aren't going to be the

939
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,519
best defender.

940
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: So I think it's a completely defensible pick. I'm just

941
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,239
LaMelo ball. Pilled is all, Well, well, Jay's.

942
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: Got another one here that also is not LaMelo ball.

943
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think, well, let me first reveal a pick.

944
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:51,000
So I went with Desmond Baine for the Okay, see thunder,

945
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,920
But so to speak to LaMelo a little bit.

946
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: I just.

947
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 5: Going to this exercise. Last year I passed on for

948
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,559
similar reasons. It's just LaMelo is sort of unserious. He

949
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:08,239
just doesn't Basketball doesn't seem like his main priority. And

950
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,840
I think in the long term with guys like that,

951
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,920
I just I don't want to commit my franchise to

952
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,159
somebody who is at that sort of approach of the game.

953
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,920
I think that like, his talent is there, but it's

954
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,280
not so transcendent that I want to deal with that

955
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,599
sort of mentality. So I took the safer pick. Even

956
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,760
though you know Bain is kind of struggling in his

957
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,039
transition to Orlando so far. I think, you know, it's

958
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,519
been a short stretch, and like I said before, I'm

959
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,519
trying not to be a prisoner of this fifteen game stretch.

960
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:46,400
He's a forty three point shooter. You know, he's going

961
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,639
to plug in, he defend well, He's not going to

962
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:55,559
be a franchise star. LaMelo, in his best scenario, can

963
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,360
be that. But I think it's a very very outside

964
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,400
shot and I'm not willing to bet on it.

965
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 4: And that's not even factoring in the health stuff for Lamebelo,

966
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,360
which is okay, I drafted Terry's Halburton, so.

967
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: We are here.

968
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,639
Speaker 4: We don't have me saying this, yeah, but uh, I

969
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,159
mean that had that had to have been for me,

970
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,719
that would because it's not Alburton. I will consider injuries,

971
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,519
I think.

972
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,519
Speaker 2: Just for the stage of the draft rat if the

973
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,599
injuries are I don't think he's ever going to be healthy.

974
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:28,159
Speaker 1: That, Like Grants, that would have been a bigger packer

975
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:28,480
for me.

976
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: If you're at sixteen and you're building a franchise from scratch,

977
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,840
I'm gonna just take the guy that I think even

978
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,000
has the to Darryl Moriot a five percent chance of

979
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,440
turning into a franchise player. Where Baine feels like he'll

980
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,400
top out, he's a he's an infinitely scalable number two.

981
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,280
But that does kind of feel like Jay said, where

982
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,960
he'll top out.

983
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you took Paolo, so you you got a.

984
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,559
Speaker 2: Type, the healthy one.

985
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,559
Speaker 4: So I'm like you, well so, and Brian's not here.

986
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,760
But Bryant did take LaMelo Ball with the next pick

987
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,480
at seventeen for the Lakers.

988
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: And Steel like automatically the steal of the draft, right,

989
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:02,719
I mean.

990
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,559
Speaker 4: You gotta do it, like just for the reason you

991
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,400
said it is like we're starting a franchise. We're now

992
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,280
into these guys are all starters that are still gonna

993
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,800
come off the board here. But like there is that

994
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,880
slim chance that if he is healthy and he does

995
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,079
get more serious and you put a real team around him,

996
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,039
LaMelo could be the best player on a team that excels,

997
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,360
like right, like in ways that I mean, there's I'm

998
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,000
looking at down the list, there's a couple guys you

999
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:26,800
might still squint and see that with, but he's the

1000
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,000
last like obvious one.

1001
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, pacomb Doattier would have been the move. Yeah, So

1002
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,800
can I actually ask LaMelo Ball? I'm genuinely asking because

1003
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,599
now I've heard it twice and I've heard it about

1004
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,360
what is like what is the evidence that LaMelo Ball

1005
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,039
doesn't take basketball seriously?

1006
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:43,039
Speaker 1: Like what are we basing?

1007
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,199
Speaker 2: Is it because he got a speeding ticket three years

1008
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,559
ago or something? Because well, I think some of that's unfair.

1009
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 4: I think he just shot selection like the one legged

1010
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,199
stuff like if you're making that at forty percent, keep

1011
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,119
it up or but like he just isn't, And I

1012
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,320
think some of it is unfair. But the speeding ticket,

1013
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
just like his persona, the general like silliness. You do

1014
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:06,320
see riot ups where it's like his teammates love him

1015
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,920
because he is like loose and like a fun guy.

1016
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440
It does feel old manny, but I am one, So

1017
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,519
I'll just say, like, what's what is the track record

1018
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,639
of a guy with his personality and his like again

1019
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,880
unseerious approach becoming the player we think he might be too,

1020
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,199
you know, like top option leader of a great team.

1021
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,199
Like I don't know, there's not a lot of precedent.

1022
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,239
I guess I would say for someone like him reaching

1023
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,159
the level he would.

1024
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,639
Speaker 3: Need to reach, I feel like with him it's a

1025
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,880
chicken or the egg thing, like is he playing on

1026
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,440
serious basketball and that's why the Hornets suck? Or do

1027
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:43,920
the Hornets suck and that's why he's playing on serious basketball?

1028
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:48,039
Like is he a good, good stats, bad team guy

1029
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,760
and if he goes to a good team he can't

1030
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,400
contribute meaningfully to winning? Or is he just like his

1031
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,679
style of play will preclude him from meaningfully contributing to winning.

1032
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,400
And I think six or five plus years into his

1033
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,800
NBA career, we still don't have an answer to that question,

1034
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,639
which is but it's not start.

1035
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: It's not on the same scale as Zach Lavine to

1036
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,719
where he's played because with the Hornets, it's there's the

1037
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,239
unseerious version of the Hornets and then there's Okay, they're

1038
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,199
starting to get more serious. But and LaMelo is a

1039
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,440
part of this problem, which I think should impact his value.

1040
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,400
He's not healthy or Brendan Miller's not healthy, and so

1041
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,199
they finally give LaMelo spacing and he's back now as

1042
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,079
we're recording this. But this is kind of the once

1043
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,280
Brendan I was looking forward to this season to questions

1044
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,159
for me, where Ken LaMelo stay healthy?

1045
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: So far that's not looking great.

1046
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,559
Speaker 2: And then the second question was what does he look

1047
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:41,360
like around actual spacing where it feels like there is

1048
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,119
more of an ecosystem for him to operate in, because

1049
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:46,880
I would have more questions about how does he scale

1050
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,559
back his game or adapt his game when the Hornets

1051
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,519
are built to and now that Konk Nipple's there doing

1052
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,679
what he's doing, the centers have overachieved in Charlotte' seaon

1053
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,039
James is just the defensive monster. I'm hoping they can

1054
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,199
string together because we need a verdict on LaMelo. But

1055
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,800
like that that could be part of impacting his value too,

1056
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,960
is we just don't know, and by this point we should.

1057
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,599
Speaker 4: A couple things. Looking down the list here of the

1058
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:13,559
top thirty guys, I think you could make the case

1059
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,159
that other than Ill just he's coming later. It doesn't matter,

1060
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:21,480
I'll spoil it Alex Sar other than him, LaMelo is

1061
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,199
like the only guy that has not played in what

1062
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,360
you would term like a relevant stretch of NBA basketball

1063
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,239
in his career, right like Charlotte has been bad the

1064
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,599
whole time he's been there, and so like the second

1065
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,599
the related point I would make with that is that he,

1066
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,960
more than anybody full stop on this list, is needs

1067
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,840
to be like observed in a different environment, because if

1068
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,159
he goes to another team and it's we got all

1069
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,039
the same stuff, then okay, it's the it's the chicken,

1070
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,559
I guess in the chicken or egg analogy, And if

1071
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:55,360
he goes somewhere else and it works and it's different,

1072
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,000
like okay, now we know, but he's unique almost other

1073
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,079
than Sar maybe who who's got like half the track

1074
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:05,360
record if that a third maybe career wise, like we

1075
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:08,920
just we've never seen him play meaningful basketball, So like,

1076
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,119
how how do you, how do you make judgments on him?

1077
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,400
That's that's why he fell, I think ultimately, because this

1078
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,920
seems this will seem really low to a lot of people.

1079
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: Do you assign any value to when you look at, Oh,

1080
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,199
the offense with him on the floor during these years

1081
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,719
has been decidedly above average, and you look at the

1082
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,159
person now that he's I don't want to say dragging

1083
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,559
all the time, but because I can't get that out

1084
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:29,840
of my.

1085
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,159
Speaker 1: Head, maybe just being stubborn.

1086
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 4: Well, all that stuff cuts both ways too, because like

1087
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,079
it's decidedly better, it's above average, but okay, if he's

1088
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,760
this offensive centerpiece that like, I don't think you'd say

1089
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,360
the offenses have been objectively great. But then like you've

1090
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,039
always you've been right to cite all the time, like

1091
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,000
the level of shooting talent around him has been abysmal

1092
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,360
for almost his entire career and especially lately. So a

1093
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,519
guy like him with no shooting around him, that's just

1094
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,800
like you're taking away all these weapons that he could

1095
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,199
utilize and look a lot better along. I don't know,

1096
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,320
he's definitely someone we should have spent time talking about

1097
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,320
because again like seventeenth, seventeenth and you know, and he's

1098
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,519
been an All Star like that.

1099
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:12,079
Speaker 2: I don't remember where I took I think I was

1100
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:13,639
the one who took him last year. I don't remember

1101
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,159
where I took him. I'll have to go double check

1102
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,000
that and see what it was. Bka also had the

1103
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,639
next pick at number eighteen of the mesto.

1104
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: Oh no, this is you, ran right, this is me,

1105
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:24,719
And I will say I surprised myself a little bit.

1106
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:30,079
Didn't talk about prisoner at the moment, so I was good.

1107
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:34,119
Speaker 2: Grant, it's either they have to be injured or recency biases.

1108
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. So I've made it a point that

1109
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,039
like I would like someone that's gonna help my team win,

1110
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,039
and the Pistons have won a lot, and it is

1111
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,400
all It's not all kid Cunningham during there's well the

1112
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,599
next guy that comes off the board, you break my

1113
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:52,679
heart with Dan and I really almost took him. Kind

1114
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:55,639
of wish I did. Uh. But the most improved conversation

1115
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,000
Jalen Duran is like, way up there. He's a plus

1116
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:02,360
offensive player that has added he can just take his

1117
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,000
guy off the dribble from the top of the arc,

1118
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:06,760
which is not common for a center. His pick and

1119
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,360
roll defense is good now. He's a huge part of

1120
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,920
the reason the Piston just dominate the paint on both ends.

1121
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,639
He's a conventional center though in many respects, which is like,

1122
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,679
you're not going to use him to switch, You're not

1123
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,360
going to space the floor with him. He's also like

1124
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:23,360
just I think he's twenty two and he's taken this

1125
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,119
leap now, so I think he's gonna finish this season

1126
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,360
as like a top five center and maybe better than that.

1127
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,039
And if you were putting together all NBA teams, you'd

1128
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,159
be talking about him right now because he's an ended

1129
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,679
that needs to hold up and the Pistons need to

1130
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,119
keep winning, and he needs to keep mattering. But given

1131
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:43,480
his youth and just the strides that he's made year

1132
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,199
over year, now I just kind of couldn't leave him

1133
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,800
on the board anymore. But the guy you take next

1134
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,159
Dan is the one that I've it's gonna haunt me.

1135
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: So at nineteen I went with Denny Avdia, which is

1136
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,920
just he's still kind of young, but not someone that

1137
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,920
you would expect to He's the past three years, the

1138
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,679
season over in season improvement has been Insaney. We're kind

1139
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,079
of reaching the point where you don't get to say anymore, Well,

1140
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,239
he's just not at this level. It's not going to

1141
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440
be sustainable campy for a good team. He's basically actually

1142
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,800
like twenty five plus five plus, Like those twenty five

1143
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,119
and five seasons still matter.

1144
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 1: He'll give you really impactful defense.

1145
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: And I think again, I kept han't remind myself that

1146
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,559
we were starting a team from scratch. I feel like

1147
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:28,760
if you were starting a team around Jalen Duran, just

1148
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,880
to bring it back to the other I don't know

1149
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,559
what you're ceiling is with Jalen Duran. As you're it's

1150
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:36,400
easier to fit the perimeter parts around him. Then you

1151
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:38,800
have to think, oh, Denny Avdio needs the ball in

1152
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,159
his hands or you want to put the ball on

1153
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,480
Denny obvious hands most of the time. So I guess

1154
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,119
it makes it easier from that sense. But Jalen Duran

1155
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:49,679
feels a little like straight to DVD bam Adabaio for me.

1156
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,320
And we wouldn't build around bam Adebayo as our best player.

1157
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 4: Well yeah, yeah, no, I have no pushback. I think ida.

1158
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,599
I guess if I had to make a case, I

1159
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:04,440
would just say that I think Duran might be a

1160
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,840
massive part of why your team is like very difficult

1161
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,360
to deal with on both ends. At the center spot

1162
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,320
might be someone it's Isaiah Stewart's doing a lot of

1163
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,119
the lifting defensively, But like, I think you could we're

1164
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:19,599
getting to the point where you could say you can

1165
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:21,840
build a top ten defense around Duran in the middle.

1166
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,480
Avdia as his offense has scaled up so much, I

1167
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,920
don't think he's quite the same level of defender he's,

1168
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,639
which is like, what are you gonna do? He can,

1169
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,840
He's only got so many calories to burn. But yeah, offensively,

1170
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,440
Avidya is just like he's just a better player. He's

1171
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:40,119
he seems like he might be a true first option wing,

1172
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,320
which is like kind of what he looked like at

1173
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,840
the end of last year, which makes you think it's

1174
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,719
pretty real. So yeah, I I I should have flipped

1175
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,960
the coin and just taken Ovdia.

1176
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,199
Speaker 1: We're on to pick number twenty. Memphis.

1177
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,159
Speaker 2: There was a Memphis Grizzlies who went there, mister Taborik

1178
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:57,800
who went to the Memphis Grizzlies.

1179
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,119
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I was just that you took Denny.

1180
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:08,239
So I was scrambling here. So this guy, I'm I'm

1181
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:13,159
interested to see if or how the perception changes of

1182
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,599
him in the coming years, because I took Josh Giddy

1183
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:20,519
and I can already hear Grizzlies fans screaming like about

1184
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,960
his reputation from the playoff from a couple years ago

1185
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,199
when he was got completely played off the floor against Dallas.

1186
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:30,800
You know, I will say this, like, obviously there's this

1187
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,920
perception because they traded Okay, so he traded him just

1188
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,519
for Alice Caruso, did not get picked back, just a

1189
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:40,360
straight up trade, and I Thunder immediately won the title.

1190
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,400
And now you know, that's just a punchline more for

1191
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:47,320
the Bulls than for Giddy. But like, Giddy is part

1192
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,079
of that, so I think that's going to be baked

1193
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:53,400
into the perception of him overall. But since they traded

1194
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Zach Olvine. After they traded Zach Lavine last year, he

1195
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,400
played I believe twenty five games, averaged about twenty points,

1196
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,519
nine and a half rebounds, eight assists, shot forty five

1197
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,639
percent from three point range, almost fifty percent from the field.

1198
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,639
This year, he's averaging twenty ten and almost ten, shooting

1199
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:17,320
forty six percent overall thirty nine percent from three point range.

1200
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,599
So if the three point shot is real, and we're

1201
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,599
operating in a now thirty nine game sample size, so

1202
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:28,159
I'm not saying that it is. But if this progression

1203
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:31,119
that he's shown from three point range is real, I

1204
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:34,239
think that does raise the ceiling on Josh Giddy more

1205
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,880
than the national perception of him might suggest at the moment. So,

1206
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:42,800
you know, I don't know that he's a number one

1207
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,639
guy on a title team. I don't think he's the

1208
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,760
number one guy on the title team, but I mean,

1209
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,880
he is a big part of why the Bulls have

1210
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,719
gotten off to a surprisingly good start this year. And

1211
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,679
you know, I looked at the other guys in this range.

1212
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:57,239
There are a couple of guys I was tempted by

1213
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,159
that I think probably have a higher long term ceiling,

1214
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,280
a few of whom went like significantly later than Giddy.

1215
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,320
But I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm intrigued by

1216
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,920
what he's shown post Lavine trade last year and then

1217
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,920
in the early going this year enough that like, you know,

1218
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,000
he's been in the NBA for this is his fifth season,

1219
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,840
but he also just turned twenty three, Like he's still

1220
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,760
really young and has a chance to continue growing.

1221
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: This would have been tough. I get everything you're saying,

1222
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:32,480
but it also if.

1223
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,519
Speaker 1: You are could you make the case and I guess

1224
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:34,960
you kind of did.

1225
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,119
Speaker 2: If you are building from scratch, it makes even more

1226
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,400
sense to go with someone like Giddy because his limitations

1227
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,239
are best worked around by making him the central focus

1228
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,960
of what you're doing.

1229
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,239
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I mean like it's similar in a way

1230
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,840
to the polo problem, where you do have to the

1231
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,559
build a very certain way around him. But yeah, like

1232
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,960
if you know he's going to be your centerpiece moving forward,

1233
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,480
then you can target the exact type the archetypes that

1234
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:05,400
you need instead of having to force him into you know,

1235
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,719
I think he just had no chance in Okay because

1236
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,119
he needs to be the primary playmaker, have the ball

1237
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,320
in his hands, and obviously they have shake coaches Alexander.

1238
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,639
It was just never going to happen for him there.

1239
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,000
But seeing what he's been able to do in this

1240
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:20,760
role makes you think, like, oh, okay, there is a

1241
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,920
reason they took him number six overall in twenty one.

1242
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,079
He's showing the upside that he had coming into the draft.

1243
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:30,440
It just took a couple of years for him to

1244
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:30,840
get there.

1245
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right to have questions about like

1246
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,960
viability and like a championship team or like he might

1247
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,199
run into the same stuff where he gets played off

1248
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:40,760
the floor in the playoff type of thing. Should the

1249
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,599
Bulls get there? But also like, he's probably an All

1250
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,039
Star right now, and if you want to really simplify it,

1251
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:48,360
I don't think anybody coming off the board after him

1252
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:51,119
is this if you had the All Star voting happen now,

1253
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,280
would be anywhere close to that. So like, and given

1254
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,840
his youth, that's not just like, well he's not some

1255
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,000
he's thirty and he just happens to be playing better.

1256
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,440
It's like he's really young and he's reached this level.

1257
01:02:03,079 --> 01:02:05,840
I'm not a giddy guy, but I think that's just

1258
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,239
the right pick at this point.

1259
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:10,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you trying to say you don't emote or

1260
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:11,880
that you're not a fan of Johnson.

1261
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:14,159
Speaker 4: Both?

1262
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: You also had pick number twenty one, mister Taporak going

1263
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,199
to the Dallas Mavericks.

1264
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:21,079
Speaker 1: Who did you select?

1265
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 3: I did? I took Trey Murphy the third here, And

1266
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,320
this is really just me trying to get Trey Murphy

1267
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:31,760
his own team. We've seen this whenever Zion is not

1268
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,039
playing and Trey Murphy is I feel like the Pelicans

1269
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:38,000
have had to be dragged into featuring him as a

1270
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,840
number one option, and they still haven't really committed to

1271
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,719
the bit in the way that they should. But Trey

1272
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,679
Murphy is one of the highest volume, most accurate three

1273
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,480
point shooters at his position over the past few years.

1274
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:55,920
I mean, over the past three years, averaging eight attempts

1275
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:00,320
from three per night, shooting thirty seven percent overall. Like

1276
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,880
every team wants that type of a player, a hey volume,

1277
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,719
high efficiency forward and so like that alone is tempting,

1278
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,960
But I also just think he's got a higher ceiling

1279
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:14,360
if they actually was on his own team and it

1280
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,039
was featured as a number one or number two guys.

1281
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,760
The Pelicans have just been built so strangely over the

1282
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,000
last few years that we haven't quite seen the ceiling.

1283
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:27,400
So this is just me betting on I believe there's

1284
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:32,760
more more untapped upside in Trey Murphy, even though I

1285
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,239
mean he's older. He's twenty five, turned twenty five in June,

1286
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:37,039
so he's older than a lot of guys coming off

1287
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,400
the board. So like some of the guys after him

1288
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,199
probably have a higher ceiling as well. But I don't know.

1289
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,199
I just I really I like him a lot. I

1290
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,480
think he's got a chance to be something special if

1291
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,480
he's not playing on one of the most dysfunctional teams

1292
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,960
in the NBA.

1293
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's tough to imagine.

1294
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what his ceiling would be as just

1295
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:00,360
your primary guy.

1296
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,679
Speaker 1: We've really never even seen it.

1297
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:04,159
Speaker 2: And even now, to your point, it's if the ion

1298
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,119
is gonna be healthier Derek Queen is there, they're probably

1299
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:08,840
gonna want to run more stuff through Derek Queen. I

1300
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,719
just have I don't hate the pick. I just have

1301
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,079
trouble in envisioning it because we haven't seen it.

1302
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't in some ways the fact that the

1303
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,320
Pelicans don't think it's a good idea to use him

1304
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,519
that way, doesn't that like suggest that it is in

1305
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:25,519
fact a good idea. They've decided we can't try this,

1306
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,760
and like their decisions don't work, so by default he

1307
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,280
should be Yeah. I don't know either, But like I also, Brian,

1308
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,360
so your point, like, it's not just eight three is

1309
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,800
a game. It's he shoots him super deep, he can

1310
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,039
shoot him off the move, and he's not like I

1311
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:43,280
don't know, he's not Kyle Korver where if you close

1312
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,840
out and run him off the line problem solved. It's like,

1313
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,239
oh god, we're all getting dunked on now, Like he's

1314
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,679
that just speaks to like maybe they should explore what

1315
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:54,880
like more. Trey Murphy looks like, I think that's right, Dan,

1316
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,639
Do you want to get real on brand in a second?

1317
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: Here, I have the next pick, and I think in

1318
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,639
this skill of the draft, we should probably term this one.

1319
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,199
I went with Reed Shepherd to the Philadelphia seventy six

1320
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,519
ers at number twenty two. This is when we're talking

1321
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:10,679
about where we're at in this exercise this right now. No,

1322
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,239
Reed Shepherd's not going to make an All Star game,

1323
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,480
but he's shooting over forty eight percent from three. He's

1324
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:19,239
developed a nice chemistry with Alpern, Shannggoon, Shony could move

1325
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,639
away from the ball. Shony has done a bunch of

1326
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:24,000
stuff on the ball. He's shooting over forty five percent

1327
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:27,559
on self created threes. Yes, he's not a starter, so

1328
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,519
he is getting some lineup bumps there, and the fact

1329
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:33,039
that you're not the primary option helps him. But that's

1330
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:34,920
also kind of his appeal to me, is you like

1331
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,719
guys who could toggle.

1332
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,639
Speaker 1: Between two existences.

1333
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: He is, you know, Grant and I coming out of

1334
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:42,679
his draft class, that thought, oh, this is someone who's

1335
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:45,400
not gonna submarine your defense either, and in what very

1336
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,920
little action we saw from him, even during Summer League,

1337
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,400
you kind of started to question. But he's hands, he'll

1338
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,320
get some steals. There's a lot of guys around him

1339
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,239
to insulate him. But give me, at this point, I

1340
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:58,599
could envision him. No, is it the most likely outcome.

1341
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't.

1342
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,519
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it is the most like the outcome

1343
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,880
because it's all NBA teams, But I'm going to look

1344
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,159
for someone who I think can hit that ceiling. And

1345
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:09,039
I think at this point, you know, I I thought

1346
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,920
about him when I took Denny Avdia a few picks ago,

1347
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:14,159
because I'm just I want to bet on that, because

1348
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,800
Denny Avia is probably not going to make multiple ll

1349
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,960
MBA teams if we're being honest read Shepherd. It's the

1350
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,559
mystery box element. You could say, well, it's the odds

1351
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,679
are against him doing that as well. But so I

1352
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:28,639
even think this is late for him. I kind of

1353
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:30,840
had I loved Denny Avvida, but I'm kind of thinking

1354
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,800
I should have made a point and taken Read Shepherd there.

1355
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 4: I mean at this point in the draft, I think

1356
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,760
as I look down at I think we're all a

1357
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,440
little risk averse because we didn't really pull the trigger

1358
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:46,239
on you know, guys with as little experience as Shepherd

1359
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:49,320
and as much upside as Maybe I'm telling on myself

1360
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,840
with my next pick, but I do redeem myself even later.

1361
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,000
It's just like Shepherd's sort of an exceptional case because

1362
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:59,920
he had such, you know, really high pre draft billing

1363
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,519
as far as his ceiling. But I think I think

1364
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:06,760
just going with potential, even especially when you've seen glimpses

1365
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,159
of like what that might look like this year, is

1366
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,239
a pretty good way to go. Because like my next guy,

1367
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:14,519
maybe we should just put him up now. I take

1368
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:18,400
Jalen Suggs next for the Knicks, and like, man, that's

1369
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,519
a boring pick compared to Read Shepherd, but like and

1370
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,920
the justification is he's you on the short list and

1371
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,199
some people would say the best defensive guard in the

1372
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,960
league if you think Aman Thompson is not a guard

1373
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,599
and has had a season one season injuries or factor

1374
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,719
there too. Staying on brand for me where he shot

1375
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,039
almost forty percent from three plays, super hard like, seems

1376
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:41,800
like he's going to be on winning teams a lot,

1377
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,760
assuming he's healthy. But like, what's the Jalen Suggs upside?

1378
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,159
We may have actually already seen his best season and

1379
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,039
it was two years ago. Compared to Sheppard, that's a

1380
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:51,960
lot less exciting.

1381
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I I like the pick, but I'm

1382
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,639
I don't know, I'm intrigued to see what he becomes.

1383
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:08,039
I'm just intrigued to see how the magic shakeout in general.

1384
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:14,920
So you know, it feels like he he's another guy.

1385
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,000
If he has more of an offensive ceiling that we

1386
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:19,680
haven't seen yet, this is going to look like a

1387
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,720
great pick. I mean, it's kind of a a lowercase

1388
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,399
version of Tom and Thompson where I don't think he's

1389
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,960
got the same type of ceiling as Ammen. But you know,

1390
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,359
defense alone, like point of attack defense is so important

1391
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,760
in the NBA, and you're getting one of the better

1392
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,399
ones in the league. And now, I mean this year

1393
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,760
he is shooting a career high like fifty two from three.

1394
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 4: So there's totally sustainable.

1395
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there's a room for growth.

1396
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: There's the dials all go to eleven element to him tho,

1397
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,279
where I kind of understand where it's Look, it's uninspiring

1398
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:55,239
because he's following me selecting what if Steph Curry could

1399
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:59,720
make all defense and so that's really just eclipses value

1400
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,840
of his I understand where he's coming from.

1401
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:04,199
Speaker 4: It's hard, it's hard to look good after that. Yeah,

1402
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:08,000
I mean, I think I said all I want to

1403
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,600
say about Segs. We need we kind of need to

1404
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,880
get to. Uh, he's not here to defend himself, so

1405
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,399
let's let's get to This is.

1406
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: In fact why he is not on the podcast.

1407
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:21,079
Speaker 4: He knew Peyton Pritchard of twenty four to the Cavs.

1408
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,079
Here's the thing. I do think Peyton Pritcheart is a

1409
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:27,800
starting caliber NBA player, you know, just hasn't really been

1410
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,039
in position to do that on some very good Celtics teams.

1411
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:39,600
That's that's all. Great shooter, great shooter. Like I mean, look,

1412
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:42,359
how different is he really Dann from Read Shepherd? If

1413
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,960
we're going to be honest, Oh, I'm just I'm just

1414
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:46,920
really trying to bother you.

1415
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,079
Speaker 2: I don't actually who do who do you trust more

1416
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:50,079
to shoot off the dribble?

1417
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: Read Shepherd or Peyton Pritchard?

1418
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 4: How far away from the basket?

1419
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,399
Speaker 2: Are we look Peyton Pritchard is the like to read

1420
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,800
Shepherd is like Kyrie Irving to Steph Curry is just

1421
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:01,600
exceedingly valuable players.

1422
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 1: But reacheppers in his own you know, goat class there.

1423
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,159
Speaker 4: Also, how old is Presser does it?

1424
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 5: He's sneaky old twenty seven. He kind of is what

1425
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,159
he is at this point right like this. He's a

1426
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,000
nice Ancelello piece for the Celtics, one sixth Man of

1427
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,720
the Year last year. But kind of we're at the

1428
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,560
point of the draft where you're taking some swings and

1429
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,119
even you know, you could probably get a better real

1430
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,159
life pick at this point too. But if we're talking

1431
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:29,359
about upside, there really isn't much left with Pritchard, so

1432
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:35,319
I I I probably would have passed on him. Dan

1433
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:38,159
has convinced me to swing for the swing for the

1434
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,880
fences with you know, talent, and I think I had

1435
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,880
we had this conversation before we did the actual draft,

1436
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,880
I probably would have considered that a little bit more.

1437
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,960
But I think by the end of the draft here

1438
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:50,880
we are all kind of shifting our mindsets a little

1439
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,119
bit to swing for upside, and that's kind of what

1440
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:56,840
I would have done a little bit And which that's

1441
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,600
what you do. I did do for the Warriors at

1442
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,720
twenty five. I was hoping this guy would fall to

1443
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:09,079
me Stefan Castle, I guess earlier in the draft I

1444
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:11,800
was trying to be resistant to like early play with

1445
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:16,640
Mobile and Bane to some extent. But this guy has

1446
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,039
had a before his injury knocked him out for a

1447
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:24,399
short period, has had a great start to the season.

1448
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:29,840
He's actually kind of become more Stefan Castle than he like,

1449
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,720
he's just leaned into everything he's his his strength have

1450
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,800
come out even more and his weaknesses have come out

1451
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,399
even more. He's he hasn't quite improved his his bugaboo.

1452
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,520
His one knock on him is that he needs a

1453
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,640
he needs a long range shot and that hasn't shown

1454
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,319
up yet, right, But everything else he does well has

1455
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:53,880
been there. His scoring is up. His he's been a

1456
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,119
better playmaker. He's been better, I mean, he's been as

1457
01:11:57,159 --> 01:12:01,760
good defensively his his overall shooting is better, but that's

1458
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,479
because he's just been you know, that's all been inside

1459
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,000
the arc. So like his one thing we need from

1460
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:12,319
him is is long range shooting. And his turnovers are

1461
01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:15,720
still like they're kind of out of whack this early.

1462
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:18,119
I don't expect to stay over four per game, but

1463
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,439
that's where it is right now. But I think just

1464
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,199
the upside is there. He can probably be your Robin

1465
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:30,079
to somebody's Wemby, so that somebody's Batman Wemby. But yeah,

1466
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,119
I was excited to get here. I would have considered

1467
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:37,880
him earlier in the draft. And you know, I mean

1468
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,520
I I the two guys I was hoping for in

1469
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,199
these two slots were Shepherd and Castle. Obviously you sniped

1470
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,039
me on on Shepherd, but I was happy to get

1471
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:49,520
Castle down here at twenty five.

1472
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:54,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like, I do you think, I guess

1473
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:57,079
you sort of answered it. But like let's say you

1474
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,399
let's say you knew he was gonna shoot it like

1475
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,479
this going forward? Is he still someone you would pick here?

1476
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,000
Because I almost would, just like he's so good at

1477
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:07,439
every he's so good at everything else. It certainly the

1478
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,119
shot is worth the weight, right, like it's worth gambling.

1479
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,079
But do you do you feel like you need that

1480
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,880
to be a given to take him here?

1481
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's still I think in this

1482
01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:21,079
range and given the players going around him, I'd still

1483
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:25,159
take him. But like I said, his ceiling goes exponentially

1484
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,520
off if he does get that. I mean his aggressiveness

1485
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,319
at the rim, I mean just his his base. He's

1486
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:33,600
got such a strong baseline with everything else that he

1487
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,960
does well that I think you're he's got a decent

1488
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,279
floor anyway. So yeah, I would take him here the

1489
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,800
ringing repeat of the year. I forgot to mention here,

1490
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:45,560
considering who's going around him.

1491
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: He did.

1492
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think at this stage too, you could

1493
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,479
even make I know you talked about betting on upside

1494
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,079
being important, but in a real draft, if we weren't

1495
01:13:55,079 --> 01:13:57,640
building from scratch, you like to get a player who

1496
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,119
would even have like, oh, second third best player on

1497
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:05,279
a title contender at twenty five is just objectively good value. Jay,

1498
01:14:05,319 --> 01:14:07,439
you had picked twenty six with the LA Clippers. Who

1499
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:12,520
did you take for them? And did you select carbon credits?

1500
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:15,560
Speaker 5: Oh? I was waiting for I was waiting for that

1501
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:19,800
some sort of dig, but no, I kind of went

1502
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:22,560
somewhat of a safe route. I think we're in a

1503
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,239
similar situation here where you know you got I took

1504
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:31,000
Jaden McDaniels for the Clippers. He's a guy with you know,

1505
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,800
he's got such a solid baseline, he was all defense

1506
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,560
once I believe a second team great in transition, great

1507
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,239
in transition. He just you know, he just doesn't have

1508
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,680
the three point shot yet. But this year he's starting

1509
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,800
to show that he's putting a lot of work over

1510
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,159
the offseason on his handles, and you know, he's his

1511
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:59,680
three point shot is look to be improved in the

1512
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,560
early If that sticks, he can be one of the

1513
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:07,119
better two way wings in the NBA. And I think, like,

1514
01:15:07,119 --> 01:15:10,640
like I said, at this stage, that's I'm happy with

1515
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,119
that getting that down here.

1516
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's It does feel like a safe pick.

1517
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:21,039
But at the point in the draft, and especially you

1518
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:23,439
know you mentioned the improved handle, the stretch he had

1519
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,199
Rampy Edwards wasn't playing was kind of absurd, and so

1520
01:15:27,279 --> 01:15:29,279
that would be I think, yeah, there's players that you

1521
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:31,800
could bet on from here, and some of us do, oh,

1522
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,880
they have the better potential to become a star. But

1523
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,880
if you were saying, hey, I'm gonna get my second

1524
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,800
or third best guy and then work my way back

1525
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,439
from there in free agency or trades or whatever, I

1526
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,880
get the logic of where this was coming. Like, he's

1527
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,479
just the proof of concept with him is is huge,

1528
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,359
I think too.

1529
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,399
Speaker 4: Like we've talked several times with different picks for different

1530
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:52,960
reasons about like, well, you're gonna run into Jason Tatum

1531
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,920
or you're gonna run into who Like Jane McDaniels is

1532
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,239
one hundred percent someone you need to get through a

1533
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:02,439
playoff gauntlete just because he's the guy you would just

1534
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,560
throw on you name Star Wing or Combo forward X.

1535
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,000
Like again, it's a different approach, but like, you know,

1536
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:14,039
it's good. Contrast with Castle, who's like the value is

1537
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:17,800
more speculative, but McDaniels is like, yeah, I could absolutely.

1538
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,079
He is someone that will be on the floor in

1539
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:24,000
Game seven of the finals, and like you don't, You're like,

1540
01:16:24,079 --> 01:16:26,760
because he has to be, so I mean that's I

1541
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,520
don't know how much better you're gonna do this.

1542
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,119
Speaker 2: Late in the draft, we move on to pick number

1543
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:34,279
twenty seven, which was the Phoenix Suns. This was a

1544
01:16:34,319 --> 01:16:40,520
BK pick correct, Yes, yeah, Shadon Sharp be get backstory here. Bryant,

1545
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,720
despite many think he might be a Celtics fan at

1546
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,960
this point, having he does root for the Portland Trailblazers.

1547
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,039
I will say this surprised me a little bit because

1548
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:51,079
I have no idea what.

1549
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: Shade and sharp ceiling is supposed to be anymore.

1550
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 4: Maybe that's the argument. It's just because just athletically, he's

1551
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,199
don't know what percentile you'd put him in. It's single

1552
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:07,039
digits in the NBA. Just think maybe maybe the creation

1553
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:10,159
gets better. I think if we're gonna if we're gonna

1554
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:13,800
concede like this is, we're also in this speculative portion here,

1555
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,800
Like I don't know, I could imagine him becoming just

1556
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,800
like a spectacular offensive player, but I could also imagine

1557
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,560
him being kind of Jalen Green for forever. So I

1558
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,399
don't know, I don't I don't know where you go

1559
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:25,760
with that.

1560
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:27,119
Speaker 1: How do you two?

1561
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:29,119
Speaker 2: If you're Brian Jay, you have any thoughts about the

1562
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:31,119
would either of you have taken Shane and Sharp here?

1563
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 3: He was not on my board in the top thirty,

1564
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:43,600
but I like after really the top twenty two twenty

1565
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,560
three ish, Like, there are just so many guys in

1566
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,600
this range that I think you can make an argument for,

1567
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,760
and there got a bunch of guys went undrafted.

1568
01:17:51,359 --> 01:17:53,239
Speaker 4: They talk about those at the end for sure.

1569
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like it's hard for me to poke too

1570
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,359
many holes in any of these picks at the end,

1571
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:01,359
because yeah, there are a bunch of guys that I

1572
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,199
think you can make a case for, and it really

1573
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,640
just comes down the personal preference at that point. But mean,

1574
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,880
Shane Sharp wasn't looking really good this season before you

1575
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:08,319
got hurt?

1576
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: Yep, Grant, isn't it twenty eight for the Milwaukee Bucks?

1577
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,159
Who did you?

1578
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:19,239
Speaker 4: Yeah? Just, I mean sar has looked markedly better in

1579
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:21,119
a lot of key ways. They see Alex argoes to

1580
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:23,720
the Bucks at twenty eight, I should say the three

1581
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,000
point shooting might be real. Uh, he's a super mobile

1582
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,079
big doesn't have great hands, but even those are better.

1583
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:33,359
I could just see him being you know, give him

1584
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:35,600
two three more years a seasoning and he's like an

1585
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,880
all defensive caliber big guy that can space the floor

1586
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,479
and make plays off the dribble. I mean, maybe the

1587
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,920
Wizards will be good enough by then for that stuff

1588
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,159
to matter. Maybe not, But I just I just took

1589
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:50,279
a took a flyer on someone. I think his upside

1590
01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:54,680
is pretty, you know, pretty darn high. It just again,

1591
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,600
we need to see him in like a winning environment

1592
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,079
to get a real sense of it. But this was

1593
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:01,560
a hard pick because there's a half dozen guys, I

1594
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,800
think you could justify taking here, and I you know,

1595
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,439
it was stars extent. It was just a chance Stars.

1596
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 2: Interesting though, because if you really leaned into the unknown

1597
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,159
quantity of it, all, you could have justified taking him

1598
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,439
before LaMelo or something. Is that I'm gonna just I'm

1599
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,319
gonna swing that this guy is the number one type

1600
01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:23,319
cornerstone because of what he could do defensively and as

1601
01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:25,800
you mentioned, all the stuff he's able to do offensively

1602
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,159
even if he's still not that that physical presence there.

1603
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:31,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the wizards of it all makes it

1604
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:33,600
so hard too. It's just like he's not played a

1605
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,039
real basketball game yet, so I don't I know, nobody

1606
01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:38,760
has taken him seriously on a scouting report, Nobody Like,

1607
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,680
I don't know how you factor all that stuff in

1608
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,920
just the the physical tools, or you go and yeah,

1609
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:48,239
it's vibes. It's vibes and physical tools. That's all the

1610
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,600
next guy, you keep doing this the next I really

1611
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,279
thought hard about the next guy too.

1612
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: So I took Jabari Smith Junior at number twenty nine

1613
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,680
for the Denver Nuggets. This is one of those picks

1614
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,199
where I feel like I could and I'm I'm not

1615
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:02,800
being an asshole. Now, I feel like I could look

1616
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,560
like a genius or a moron if we just fast forwards,

1617
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,359
like one or two years down the line. I think

1618
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:11,359
he's underrated defensively the fact that he has played so

1619
01:20:11,399 --> 01:20:13,680
many different positions on defense so far, and maybe you

1620
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,760
look at it and say, well, they've done a lot

1621
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,199
of that because you don't trust him as a five. Sure,

1622
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:20,640
but I think a lot of teams would play Jabari

1623
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,079
Smith Junior a ton or more at the five than

1624
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:25,960
we've seen in Houston. The offense is I think the

1625
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:26,720
handle can be.

1626
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,199
Speaker 1: Good enough to at least attack closeouts, whether he follows

1627
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:30,640
all the way through on those drives.

1628
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,119
Speaker 2: Do you trust him working from the mid range, whether

1629
01:20:33,159 --> 01:20:35,079
it's dribbling into it or from a standstill.

1630
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: That's where it gets murky.

1631
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,039
Speaker 2: But this is just he's been what the third option

1632
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,840
ever since he arrived or lower because he's lower now

1633
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,920
ever since he arrived in Houston, And so you're trying

1634
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,079
to extrapolate from that.

1635
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: It's dangerous, but just give me as of.

1636
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 2: Right now, he spaces the floor and can be awesome

1637
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,880
and versatile on the defensive end, and so I will

1638
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:01,760
take that at number twenty nine. Yeah, final pick, mister Taporak,

1639
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:02,960
the Boston Celtics.

1640
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:05,239
Speaker 1: Jay's Boston Celtics. Who did you give them?

1641
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, they are just so desperate for a center right

1642
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:13,680
now that I went with Ka Conglu, which again, like this, Dan,

1643
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,720
I feel the very same way you do about this

1644
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,800
Jabari Smith pick that could look like a genius or

1645
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,800
just a total idiot with this one, because Brandon Miller

1646
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,640
was the other guy I seriously considered here. We just

1647
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,680
haven't seen enough of him with the injury last year

1648
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,359
in particular, But I know he's back now. He missed

1649
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,640
a good chunk of time already this year as well,

1650
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:37,199
so like in a year, if he stays healthy, Brandon

1651
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:39,039
Miller is obviously going to be the pick here. But

1652
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,600
I you know, I when someone gets to that banged

1653
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,920
up this early in the career, he just have some

1654
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,119
modicum of concern there a Conglu. Maybe this was Grant.

1655
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,600
I might be subscribing to your recency bias because this

1656
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,319
was shortly after the game that he hit eight threes. Yeah,

1657
01:21:57,359 --> 01:22:00,840
but I mean he's just added that to his game.

1658
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,800
But like he didn't. He barely took any threes at

1659
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,119
all his first three seasons, was a low volume the

1660
01:22:06,199 --> 01:22:09,600
last two, but was starting to shoot them. And now

1661
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,760
this year he just came back into shooting five threes

1662
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,880
a game to shooting almost forty one percent deep, you know,

1663
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:19,880
not starting still a ton, but he was buried behind

1664
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,039
Clint Capella for most of his early career and now

1665
01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:25,159
they have Chris Worzingis as well. You know, I think

1666
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:27,720
he could be a starting center in the league. I

1667
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,560
think you want a stretch five, so you know, ideally,

1668
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,840
if you're like starting to build a roster, you want

1669
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,840
your your center to be able to shoot threes if

1670
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,439
you can build a team from scratch. And he's decent,

1671
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:44,039
not not an elite rim protector, but it's fine on

1672
01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:46,199
that end of the floor. So I don't think he's

1673
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,520
gonna be like a top option on offense, but I

1674
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:53,199
think he gives you enough scoring wise, and I don't

1675
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,880
have any major concerns about him on either end of

1676
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:00,239
the floor. So at this spot, it felt it out

1677
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:03,039
like a safe pick. But I mean definitely guys on

1678
01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:06,279
the board who have higher upside than him that you know,

1679
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:07,920
in a year from now, I'm not sure he's going

1680
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,239
to make the cut.

1681
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you guys want to talk about some of

1682
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,399
the guys that are still on the board, because you

1683
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,960
mentioned one. Brandon Miller was just he was staring at

1684
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,039
me for like three picks, and I was like, why

1685
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:24,159
am I not doing this? I think he's the one

1686
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,920
that if he could, And it was the same concern

1687
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,439
you had of just like we've seen so little, like

1688
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,880
how how can you take him? Does anybody else have

1689
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,239
like an obvious I can't believe this guy's still on

1690
01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:39,039
the board? Dan, was there one that that you're surprised

1691
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:39,640
nobody picked?

1692
01:23:40,039 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick Williams is just sitting there.

1693
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: He I was a little surprised that no one went

1694
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,720
the us R Thompson route and the judgment, So that

1695
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,680
was another guy. I want to say, I'm collectively proud

1696
01:23:56,079 --> 01:23:59,479
for no one buying into the Dyson Daniel Sham I think.

1697
01:23:59,359 --> 01:24:01,239
Speaker 1: That was a very useful player.

1698
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,520
Speaker 2: But we got ahead of our skis last season and

1699
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,119
we've kind of just the spacing in Atlanta, they have

1700
01:24:07,119 --> 01:24:09,520
a floor spacing five on the court virtually at all times,

1701
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,520
and his efficiency has been dog shit, and I just

1702
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,119
I thought someone was I would have expected someone to

1703
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,079
take him. He has that most improved player and again,

1704
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:22,359
I think he's very good. But we assigned a lot

1705
01:24:22,399 --> 01:24:25,640
of value to someone who hadn't really played his first

1706
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,720
two seasons and then all of a sudden turned out

1707
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,239
to be a useful NBA player was billed as Oh,

1708
01:24:30,279 --> 01:24:33,279
but that's the danger in selecting most improved off of

1709
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:35,199
virtually a non existent baseline.

1710
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 4: To me, yeah, I think any of the concerns you

1711
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,800
would raise about either of the Thompson's or someone like

1712
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:46,279
Castle or existing Daniels and are way more severe, like

1713
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:48,439
like he can't, he's not like a good ball handler,

1714
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,039
and he's a nominal point guard who also can't. I'm

1715
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:53,359
not gonna he is. Like if you're if there's ten

1716
01:24:53,399 --> 01:24:55,119
guys that you would have thought about, maybe he's one

1717
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:59,199
of them. But like, I never really seriously considered picking him.

1718
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,239
I'm trying to think who else.

1719
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 2: Have been given consideration. Let's just call name Hawks current

1720
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:05,439
Hawks players.

1721
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 4: I think there's like other guys in that class I

1722
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:11,159
would have taken before. Resa say, like, don't you take Bozellos,

1723
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,079
Keishawn George even you might take before.

1724
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: Look, I thought I didn't put this in my right up.

1725
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,960
I really thought hard about Keishaw George was one of

1726
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,079
my last two picks, but that was had I been,

1727
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:24,920
you know, attending grant grant school of what's happened in

1728
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,880
the past two weeks, I might have done that.

1729
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,039
Speaker 4: But still accepting applicants.

1730
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,039
Speaker 5: I will say going into this, I thought the twenty

1731
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:37,880
four class was going to have the fewest players selected,

1732
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,840
But it turns out twenty three only had two.

1733
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,039
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's.

1734
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,159
Speaker 5: Right, Wemby and then and then twenty four had sa

1735
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,840
Shepherd Castle. So I think if Miller had Miller had

1736
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,479
getten selected, I did think about him too, but so

1737
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,600
maybe they just did deserve a little bit more. But

1738
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,520
it's kind of funny that they ended up being last

1739
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,159
in this exercise, right.

1740
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Thompson, I think, yeah, we mentioned Asar

1741
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,159
Brandon Miller. You gotta go down pretty like Lively maybe

1742
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:12,960
as someone give some thought to how may Hawks is

1743
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,640
having a great start. I don't know if I would

1744
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:21,319
have gone with him. Man, Yeah, that's George Toomani Kamara. Maybe, like,

1745
01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:25,840
if you really want to Galaxy, bring it. Walker Kessler

1746
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,760
is not in the twenty three class, but I gave

1747
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:32,479
him a quick look because he's hurt, and uh, let's yeah,

1748
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,039
I don't know Jay and Ivy, probably not Keithan Murray.

1749
01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:38,000
Probably Keith and Murray. If he'd been healthy to start

1750
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,199
the year, maybe we would have talked about him anybody else.

1751
01:26:40,279 --> 01:26:41,800
I just want to I want to appease all the

1752
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,199
fan bases that are going to be mad that we

1753
01:26:43,239 --> 01:26:46,319
didn't take their their players.

1754
01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 5: Christian Brown.

1755
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:49,199
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1756
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,079
Speaker 2: Maybe Christian Brown's a good because I think he could

1757
01:26:52,079 --> 01:26:53,880
have fallen in Jay took Jaye.

1758
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: McDaniel's right.

1759
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: He could have kind of fallen into that of you

1760
01:26:57,039 --> 01:26:59,800
know what you're getting and it's just this super high

1761
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:01,119
end role player.

1762
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: So I think he could have That's that's a good

1763
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,119
call out. King did.

1764
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:05,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1765
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:13,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, somewhere out there, there's a redraft of that class

1766
01:27:13,079 --> 01:27:14,880
where I think I took him like third. This was

1767
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,359
quite a while ago, but uh yeah, I'd say we've

1768
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,600
settled the Franz versus kaminga.

1769
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 1: Oh it's not it's not TBD. Still, yeah, I.

1770
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 4: Think I think the jury has returned a verdict. To

1771
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,359
deliberately change the subject. Andrew Nimhard is way down there

1772
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:33,399
in the twenty two class.

1773
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: Did you mention I feel bad I didn't take an

1774
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,159
apologies if you mentioned him, But I just offensively.

1775
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:40,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't bring myself to do a Blakol.

1776
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 4: Didn't mention him. Yeah, he's he's an upside play right,

1777
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,359
like he's he fits into the Castle kind of. I

1778
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,359
mean he hasn't produced like Castle, but yeah, I think

1779
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:52,319
he's someone to definitely have considered.

1780
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 3: What about Jalen Green.

1781
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,279
Speaker 4: Yeah about mentioned Shade Sharp as like a version of

1782
01:27:57,319 --> 01:28:01,359
Jalen Green, and Jalen Green's just sitting right there. He Yeah.

1783
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,359
Speaker 2: Look, I mean he came back for a second and

1784
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,000
looked pretty good. So if he had been playing that

1785
01:28:05,079 --> 01:28:07,239
way and never got injured, maybe he like forces his

1786
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:10,560
way into the you know, the latter half of this discussion.

1787
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 4: I mean, like it's a stretch. But like Aaron Smith,

1788
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,920
if we're taking guys like McDaniels and Suggs and stuff like.

1789
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,279
Speaker 1: That, if you took contracts into consideration, Smith might have

1790
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:21,840
made that one.

1791
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 4: Right.

1792
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the quintessential. I feel like he can do

1793
01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:30,359
more and he's never gonna do more.

1794
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,359
Speaker 4: He's like quietly been topped out for like three years

1795
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:38,119
and we're just still waiting. I mean, Isaiah Stewart's there.

1796
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,800
You can make the case he's mattered more to the

1797
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,439
Pistons than Durham, and I took Duran.

1798
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:44,520
Speaker 1: I can't.

1799
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,319
Speaker 2: I don't see anybody else that's would have been at

1800
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:51,479
least yeah, I say they can let us know in

1801
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,560
the comment, like to Cason Wallace.

1802
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wallace on his next team, Yeah, right when he

1803
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:03,880
gets one, just like Josh Kitty. I mean, there's it's

1804
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,039
too crowded there. But they're gonna have to pick between

1805
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:09,039
him and Caruso at some point. And if they pick,

1806
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,079
they picked Caruso. Caason Willace is going to break up

1807
01:29:12,399 --> 01:29:14,000
so very quickly.

1808
01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 2: Can we go one by one and we'll start with

1809
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,399
I feel like we haven't heard enough from Jay. Were

1810
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,800
there any like on both sides of the spectrum a

1811
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,399
pick that you thought was particularly good value that was

1812
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,600
made versus one that you were a little surprised by

1813
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,239
that stands out? And if you don't have an answer,

1814
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:28,079
because I'm just throwing this on everybody off the cuff,

1815
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:28,640
that's fine too.

1816
01:29:31,079 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 5: I didn't have I mean, I think, honestly, I think

1817
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,960
Aunt was pretty good value up at you know, whatever

1818
01:29:37,039 --> 01:29:41,079
he ended up going, because I expected him go second.

1819
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:43,279
And I know that's probably a copo because it's such

1820
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:48,479
top of the draft, but I mean, uh, beyond that,

1821
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,239
like I was, like I said, I was super happy

1822
01:29:51,279 --> 01:29:55,119
to get Castle down low, but I really don't want

1823
01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:58,920
to call out my own pick. So but yeah, I

1824
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,359
mean I guess I didn't really, uh you know, I

1825
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:01,920
didn't really.

1826
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: I guess this question is mood because of the Peyton

1827
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,439
Pritchard pick. There's just that's I'm trying not to.

1828
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 5: I'm trying to.

1829
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 2: Bryant did get one of the better value picks. I

1830
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,840
think shang Gun at seven I thought was really good value.

1831
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah that's a good one. No, I mean, I'll just

1832
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,560
my Haliburton pick. I'll just get out ahead of it,

1833
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:29,159
like that's a potentially a wildly uh terrible pick. I think, Dan,

1834
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:31,920
you're getting Avdia at nineteen. Just he was jumping off

1835
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,840
the page. To me, if he is this, then he

1836
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:39,760
should have gone seven eight spots earlier. I think, just

1837
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,880
if this is the level he's going to be at, like,

1838
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:43,359
what are we? What are we doing? How is he

1839
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,880
down here in the Jalen dur and Josh Giddy.

1840
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,119
Speaker 1: Range all right now? Now say good things about me?

1841
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:51,640
Taking read Shepherd even after that, it's you stay.

1842
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 4: True to yourself. That's I mean, what else can we do.

1843
01:30:55,359 --> 01:30:57,560
Speaker 2: I'd like to commend Brian by making a divisive pick

1844
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:01,520
at number one. Yea, I know you put a lot

1845
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,640
of thought into that one, but you made the brave decision.

1846
01:31:04,319 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 5: Well.

1847
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 3: I liked you trying to find the contrarian take on that.

1848
01:31:07,039 --> 01:31:07,600
I appreciate.

1849
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,039
Speaker 1: I couldn't. To be clear, I don't believe it.

1850
01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 3: I was just right.

1851
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: What would be the case to not take him?

1852
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's an interesting thought exercise, like how how

1853
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,880
many injuries does he need to have before you're like,

1854
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,800
I'm starting to get nervous.

1855
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 2: So many more unless the membership calls him home or

1856
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,319
probably just in the bag until til the wheels fall off.

1857
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 4: I think what you might if, okay, injury is aside,

1858
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:36,840
you could say, maybe Wemby doesn't become someone you build

1859
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,119
the offense around, and like you just got to have

1860
01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:41,640
that at number one, and it's just like, also, maybe

1861
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,399
he does, and then maybe the is so good that

1862
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,079
it doesn't matter. It's I mean, it's he's number one.

1863
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:50,239
There's just no scenario where he doesn't go number one.

1864
01:31:51,319 --> 01:31:53,079
Speaker 1: This is a lot of fun, though, guys, thanks for

1865
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:54,720
bringing it to the table.

1866
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 2: It was agonizing in some instances when you got like

1867
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,640
to certain picks, but it was a lot of fun overall.

1868
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,399
We'll probably be doing this again at some point. I

1869
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,279
imagine he's becoming an annual thing. But grant other than that,

1870
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:08,079
as anyone has any other thoughts, are you ready just

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to take us out of here?

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Speaker 4: Yep? Thanks, thanks again, Jay, Thanks Brian, Thanks Bran Knox

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with us in spirit today and you can't defend yourself,

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so what a sport? Just everybody, please, thank thanks everybody

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for listening, for watching. Remember rate review, subscribe, tell your friends,

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tell your enemies, join our discord links for that YouTube

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and podcast description. Until we draft again or otherwise come

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speak to you. And we've closed with shouts to Franklin

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Latina and apologize to Jared