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Mentioned 30 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:28,239 myself or ESPN the fan for seventy dollars off your 31 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:30,680 first cleaning. Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in 32 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:33,480 double d Donell Dixon of the Daily Herald, the Daily 33 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:36,959 Geraldi and how artdal double d Well. 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: Happy holiday to you, Ben and everybody else there at 35 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:40,920 the station. 36 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: Hey, we appreciate that. And big Cougar roar to you 37 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,920 and your wonderful family this holiday season doubled. We've been 38 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:51,760 delving into all the nix and grannies, all the news 39 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:53,719 and notes coming out of Brigham today. I want to 40 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,040 ask you this question. Right we're in transfer portal season. 41 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:00,680 It's it's untimely for many out there there as you 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,560 prepare for bowl games, there's opt outs. Guys are choosing 43 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,599 to go to the draft. People are getting into the 44 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,240 portal and shopping themselves. Agents are everywhere. Look, it's chaos, 45 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:14,960 let's be honest. College football chaos, college athletics chaos. But 46 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:18,800 what would you say to this question. Has the new 47 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,199 college football landscape of nil in transfer portal and even 48 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:25,560 to a certain degree, kind of this revshare model that's 49 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,840 coming into play now, has it been more beneficial, more 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,800 detrimental or has it been neutral for BYU athletics or 51 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,439 BYU football let's not just BA football in particular. 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: Well, then you asked me that question, you know how 53 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:43,039 I'm going to answer, right, I. 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,479 Speaker 1: Don't know how you're going to answer it. I have 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,280 no idea, because like, what's the for BA football specifically? 56 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,199 Has it been net benefit, net positive, that negative or 57 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:53,759 net neutral? 58 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: I would say net positive for BYU and specifically and 59 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,199 for other teams they've also, I mean, if you take 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,800 a look at even Texas A and M what they've 61 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,520 done under the current system. They've went out and got 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,560 themselves at one of the best defenses in the country 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,319 and now they're playing in the college football playoffs, so 64 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,199 I think it worked on an individual team basis in 65 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,639 many cases. But you know me, I'm concerned about the 66 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,240 future of the sport that I've loved over the year 67 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:26,159 in college football and and you know college basketball as well. 68 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:27,560 You know, I do a lot of research now as 69 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,599 I'm preparing for some Big twelve basketball previews, and the 70 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,439 number of players I see on rosters who have been 71 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:38,639 to three or four different universities is shocking to me. Still, 72 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,360 I have a hard time dealing with it because it 73 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:47,360 is a university and they're initially signed as a student athlete. 74 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,000 I know we all hate that term, necessarily because the 75 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,840 NCAA uses it at nauseum every time we cover something, 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,080 But they are supposed to be student athletes. And I 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,000 don't know how anybody that is focused on their athlete 78 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,719 career and moving from place to place and they've been 79 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:06,199 to four different university already can be advancing in their 80 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,319 degree in any way, shape or form, and so there 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,120 they're not so individually, I think there's some real issues 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,639 with what's going on, and the repercussions of those decisions 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,120 are going to happen when they stop playing the game, 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,920 and that could be pretty harsh for a number of 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,399 athletes who come to the end of their road and 86 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:29,079 they don't have a college degree from all of that 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,639 opportunity that they had. And that's what, you know. I 88 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,639 hope that more and more athletes take advantage of the 89 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,519 opportunity to get an education to do something beyond playing 90 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,040 the sport they love, because you get single minded and 91 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,959 you want to train and do that. And You've talked 92 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,920 often about the difficulty of being excellent in everything when 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,480 you're trying to be a college athlete, and I don't 94 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,839 think this makes it any easier with all of the 95 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:55,959 movement that's going on and all the money that's out there, 96 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,360 and it creates a very difficult decision. And I'm not 97 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,639 saying it's not a tough decision for athletes to this 98 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,759 night to go somewhere else. I just think it complicates 99 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,839 things in a way that is going to be difficult 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,279 for many individuals to overcome. 101 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: How's that, Yeah, So this is what I would I 102 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,639 would retort. I think you bring up some really good points. 103 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,639 I think there's a lot to take in there. I 104 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,160 think for the last you know, sixty years or more, 105 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:26,240 STV revenue has been pouring into universities. The finger pointing 106 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,399 needs to be number one, pointed at the adults that 107 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:34,319 were running the program in an antitrust way, in an 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,680 illegal way, taking advantage of the workforce, and not actually 109 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:44,319 providing the fair market value to the student athlete. Right 110 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:47,279 does that make sense? Like the adult look at all 111 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:49,399 the universities and how much money they just had, and 112 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:52,480 they took advantage of these guys, and so the market 113 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:56,360 pendulum swing right like, it's swinging really aggressively in the 114 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,519 opposite direction. It'll come back to center as all free 115 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,240 markets do. But right now we're seeing the pendulum swing 116 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,240 because of how corrupt the adults were running the organization 117 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,680 and getting rich off of the lifeblood of these programs 118 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,839 have been over the last sixty years. So it's just 119 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:16,800 swinging right now. So it's there. Those are the people's 120 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,560 I point the finger at them more than I do 121 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,160 the student athletes right now. 122 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and the system has you know, was broken 123 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:28,360 for a number of years before this started to happen, 124 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:32,560 and we all know that the ball committees and those 125 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,560 who ran the ball were getting rich. Universities were getting 126 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:39,360 rich to players were getting a PlayStation. I mean, it 127 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:42,199 makes sense that there should be some revenue sharing in 128 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,040 that regard. The athletes were being taken advantage of, and 129 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,360 I understand all of that. I just feel like they 130 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:51,279 broke this thing loose without any idea of how they 131 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:57,959 were going to make it work in an important situation, 132 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,160 and so we're seeing a lot of those repercussions of 133 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:05,959 things that don't work. The Bowl system is dying because 134 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,519 teams are going, nah, we're not going to go bowling. 135 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,480 We don't want to play, you know, in order to 136 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:14,000 game regardless because their objection was we didn't make the playoffs. 137 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:16,279 But there are a lot of teams who decided, now, 138 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:18,319 we don't really want to go through with that, and 139 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,040 so that creates a vacuum for the end of the season. 140 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,959 What are these teams going to do when they've gone 141 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,160 bowling all this time? And I know with b YU 142 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:31,240 would go to various bowl games, they'd either break even 143 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:34,839 or lose money. So you can see how why would 144 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:37,439 we want to continue to do that? You know, your 145 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:40,240 weigh the option, Well, we get to have extra practices 146 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:43,600 for our young guys. It's a fun activity for the 147 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,680 at b YU, for the players, and their wives, you know, 148 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:51,240 to go on a vacation at Christmas time, make some money, 149 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:55,079 do some things, you know, get get some gifts and 150 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,560 that sort of thing. It's just the system is so 151 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,079 busted that I don't know what they're supposed to do 152 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,800 with it. And you can't take advantage of the players 153 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:05,639 like they were, but you also have to give them 154 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:08,959 some direction on how to move forward. And I don't think, 155 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,879 as you mentioned, don't think the adults in the room 156 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,959 are doing that very well. 157 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:16,199 Speaker 1: Donald Dixon double d the Daily Heralding and talking some 158 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:19,759 Cougar Beat topics of the day here on your Utah 159 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:23,040 ESPN Radio Network, Brought to you by Bresa Cleaning Services. 160 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,639 Bresa makes it a breeze to keep your house clean. 161 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,199 Get seventy dollars off your first cleaning at Bresa Cleaning Services. Darnell, 162 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:33,600 I know you covered the BYU men's hoops team, and 163 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:37,480 I know you're looking at this roster like there's too 164 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,200 many mercenaries on it. But has it been pretty fun 165 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,480 to watch? You know? I mean, look, BYU basketball is 166 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,679 possibly going to be a two seed in the NCAA tournament, 167 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,240 maybe possibly figures cross hopefully a one seed something they've 168 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:54,000 never done before. 169 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: Oh, they're definitely fun to watch. And I had to 170 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:02,279 kind of rick call when by You played Spacific the 171 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,240 other night. You know, they obviously played each other when 172 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,480 both teams were in the West Coast Conference, and the 173 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,559 expectation for BYU to beat every team in that league 174 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,399 other than Saint Mary's and Gonzagara regularly made it very 175 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:21,080 difficult for the Cougars to play the Pacifics and Pepperdine's 176 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,240 and Santa Clairs of the world, because you just didn't 177 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,360 think there was any possible way the Cougars could lose 178 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:29,440 those games. And when they did, the sky was falling 179 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:31,799 and they were probably you know, what was the problem. 180 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:34,240 Why couldn't they do it? And they've they've gone so 181 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:37,559 far from that team that that program that played in 182 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:42,480 the West Coast Conference. It's it's incredible to reflect on. 183 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,240 You know, they've got the number one high school recruit 184 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:49,159 on the team and they're playing games at Madison Square 185 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,399 Garden and against I mean, their schedule was really good. 186 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,240 They're right around seven or eight I think in net 187 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,120 rankings right now, just exactly where they wanted to be 188 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,440 based on how they decided to operate and get their 189 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:08,799 schedule going the Lack game where aj Debonsa and Richie thunders. 190 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:15,919 Speaker 1: And you know the Rob Robert. 191 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:19,399 Speaker 2: I mean, they put up sixty nine points and they're 192 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:25,039 the best trio possibly in the country. I think that 193 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,440 they still have a lot of work to do in 194 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:30,399 developing a good rotation with the bench and that that'll 195 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:32,639 come up. But as they head into Big twelve play 196 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:34,200 and a couple of games, they've got a couple left 197 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,480 against what I used to call what they used to 198 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,759 call in boxing. Tomato Cans just got teams that you 199 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:43,879 can beat up. And it's that time of year where 200 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,120 they're you know, they just finished their finals and they 201 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,399 want to get everybody healthy and all that. So this 202 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,159 allows them to do it. But it's been fantastic to watch. 203 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,320 I think Kevin Young has has put together a really 204 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,799 good team, and the team is very different from last 205 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,039 year's team. You know, you take what you want to 206 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,279 build with, and he's put this team together and he's 207 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,080 had to sustain a few losses with you know, Dawson 208 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:10,039 Baker and they picking's getting hurt and gone for the season. 209 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,320 But this is the team he wanted and they're definitely 210 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,320 producing on the floor. They put seventeen thousand or roughly. 211 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,240 I mean, I know they announced sold tickets, but you know, 212 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:23,679 sixteen or seventeen thousand dollars for our seventeen thousand fans 213 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,600 for a weekday game is just incredible to me. I 214 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:29,679 remember going to BYU games during Christmas break and there'd 215 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,399 be you know, five or six thousand. So the introg 216 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,480 levels there. The fans are going to show up wherever 217 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,879 they go. They're heading into a really good league. Again, 218 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,600 the Big twelve is just a monster and bway your 219 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:44,720 fans need to be prepared. They might lose a few games, 220 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:49,159 but this is a really good team that is still 221 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,039 finding out what they do best and the coaching staff 222 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:55,440 still figuring out how to make things work. But so 223 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,279 much talent on this team and so much that they 224 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,600 can't accomplish this year. 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Big three. Uh, something that Ronald and 226 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:07,480 I are gonna have to debate maybe later on in 227 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,799 the show as we prepare for our Little Cougar Sports 228 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,720 basketball pregame show. But uh, you mentioned the Big three, AJ, 229 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,039 Richie and Rob. What's what are some other big threes 230 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,679 that in by U basketball history that like that are 231 00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:29,399 comparable to this crew right now. I mean you have 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,279 the Gimmer maybe uh uh, you know Brandon Davies do 233 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,840 you put you know, Jackson? Emery is the third you 234 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,200 know as a three on three squad, Like, who's gonna 235 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,399 be able to is it? Danny Ainge? Great Kite and 236 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,159 Fred Warbers? Could they stick it to this squad? The 237 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:50,799 goat Danny Ainge? Who could who can win? Who could 238 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,879 beat that aj Ritchie and Rob Wright trio in in 239 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,759 their prime in b YU basketball history. 240 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,919 Speaker 2: Man that I don't know if there's anybody that could. 241 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: What about a Sean Bradley. Sean Bradley's a tough cover. 242 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:10,159 Sean Bradley before the mission, you know, when he was healthy, 243 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,279 you know what I mean? That dude what it was 244 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,440 at Emery High School. He's running the floor like a 245 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,000 gallopings of raft and he's just dunking on fools, you know, 246 00:13:19,159 --> 00:13:21,720 off of one foot. That dude was a That dude 247 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,720 was a beast. You know what about Sean Bradley. I'm 248 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,200 trying to think of who played with Seanda in that era. Yeah, 249 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:29,879 Kent Robertson in that group. 250 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,919 Speaker 2: Russ Larson was with that group. That was pretty good. 251 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,519 I think, you know the the like I keep thinking 252 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,639 of duos too, like Kyle Collinsworth and Chase Fisher. I 253 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,120 think Noah Hartstock was part of that group. So there's 254 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,519 there's a you know, a group there, and like you 255 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,080 mentioned Jimmer and Jackson Emery and and Brandon Davies. But 256 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,000 I'm not I'm pretty sure there's never been a threesome 257 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:57,919 like we've seen a trio like we've seen with this group. 258 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,200 There's been some great duos and and some teams, you know, 259 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,200 over the years, even Dave Rose teams that they put 260 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,440 good teams on the floor and they had opportunities to 261 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,519 win NCA tournament games and stiled just short. Is probably 262 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,759 because they didn't have a third option to go to 263 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,080 when you think about some of those great teams that 264 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,360 they had. So so the fact that there are three 265 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,399 options offensively that can go off at any time, and 266 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,240 AJ likes to say defenses have to pick their poison, 267 00:14:25,759 --> 00:14:28,159 you know, do they want to double a j He's 268 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,960 such a good passer that that's going to provide lots 269 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,159 of opportunities for others to make baskets? Do you focus 270 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,440 on keeping Richie from going off? How do you get 271 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,159 the ball out of Rob Wright's hands. He's the one, 272 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:39,799 he's the point guard. He's got in the van of 273 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:46,399 all time. And then you see someone like toddim Russ, 274 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,440 who went off the other night, you know on Alexi 275 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,879 Coasts had a game where he made four or four 276 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,559 from three. So their five five three pointers from I 277 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,399 think five or eight how we finished. But uh, there's 278 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,559 just so much for teams to have to defend. And 279 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,440 I do think that it's defensively has gotten better that 280 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,679 will carry them a little further maybe than they went 281 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:08,279 last year, because I thought, you know, they gave up 282 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,720 something like fifty three three pointers in three tournament games 283 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:14,200 last year. They can't do that and expect to get 284 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,200 any further in the tournament. But I think they've gotten 285 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,559 better defensively. Keva Keda is as big and strong and 286 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:25,320 active and as effective as any post BYUS ever put 287 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,240 on the floor in terms of getting things done other 288 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,080 than scoring. He can score a little bit, He can 289 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,159 rebound and score. He gets that little jump book, but 290 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,639 he's just touch a rim protector and a rim runner. 291 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Those two lobs that Aj threw to him against Clemson 292 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,840 just back to back man. They ran that play perfectly 293 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:49,000 and it's just a great pass and the finish by 294 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,759 Keva and then he practically takes the backboard down. They 295 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:53,879 have to stop the game, which ended up being a 296 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,559 really good thing for the Cougars because they got a 297 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,639 chance to rest and they were only playing starters really 298 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,720 in the second half. So those guys and then Cannard Davis, 299 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,360 who didn't have a very good shooting night, gither and 300 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,440 I expect him to bounce back. But this team has 301 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:09,919 what it needs and they're really going to be tested 302 00:16:09,919 --> 00:16:12,440 in the Big Twelve. There's I mean, Arizona's terrific, Iowa 303 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,879 staters are really good, Kansas is getting better, Baylor, all 304 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:19,000 those good teams in this league are going to test them. 305 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,759 But I'm excited to follow this group and see how 306 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:22,480 they finish out. 307 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Double D Donald Dixon and a Cougar Beat brought to 308 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,759 you by Bresa Cleaning Services. Brisa makes it a breeze 309 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,840 to keep your house clean seventy dollars off your first 310 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:35,240 cleaning service. Double D. Did you see after the win 311 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,519 over Pacific the ad of Pacific And by the way, 312 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:42,039 I love Pacific because my grandpa actually attended Pacific once 313 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,320 upon a time. In their dental program. I believe back 314 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,960 in like the the fifties. Shout out to Grandpa Webster, 315 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,639 Rest in love, rest in peace, the greatest grandpa known 316 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,519 to man. But Adam Tsore says, tough one for Pacific 317 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,320 men's basketball tonight, good scheduling, lesson for the future in 318 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,600 this funny money age, We're in no point in playing 319 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,079 this game at all. You're not even playing a basketball team, 320 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,240 just walking bags of cash. 321 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,759 Speaker 2: Your reaction, Yeah, it was pretty funny to follow the 322 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,079 comments on that. Wanted to see him backtrack once he 323 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,759 went on there. It probably isn't appropriate for an ad 324 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,000 to say something like that on social media, and he'd 325 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,720 probably learned that lesson. We'll see next Steve. Maybe it 326 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:31,240 makes those comments later everything else, but we all know. 327 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,599 I mean with with the non conference schedule for teams 328 00:17:36,599 --> 00:17:39,440 that are in the top ten or top twenty, they 329 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,440 all schedule this way, and you schedule like I mentioned 330 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,160 Tomato Cans and they get a big payday and you 331 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,200 get to kind of stretch your legs and rest guys 332 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:50,160 and kind of experiment with things. That's just how college 333 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,960 basketball works. And Pacific is one of those teams that 334 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:56,920 have to play some by games during the course of one. 335 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,319 Speaker 1: Hundred thousand dollars, Right, they took that one hundred k 336 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:01,799 they took. Yeah, they could give it back right. 337 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,759 Speaker 2: Right, they could, And they need to have that for 338 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:08,279 their because they don't have the kind of budgets that 339 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 a lot of programs do at upper levels. So it's 340 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,480 a necessary evil, and it's not fun for these teams sometimes. 341 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,799 I mean I actually feel bad for teams on occasion 342 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,960 and go out and play you know, Iowa State and 343 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,279 get beat by fifty or BYU and get beat by 344 00:18:24,279 --> 00:18:26,839 forty five. That can't be fun for the players. And 345 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,480 they know why they're playing that game, and they have 346 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:31,359 to believe going in, Hey me, we might be able 347 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,960 to hold with these guys. And we saw Delaware, you know, 348 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,319 jump out on BYU. And Delaware's probably a two hundred 349 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,400 plus net ranking team, so things can happen. But I 350 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,839 think this ad probably learned this lesson that he's not 351 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:46,920 going to be making those comments again online. The best 352 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,319 response I saw was they're not walking bags of cash, 353 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,440 they're dunking, shooting, blocking bags of cash. Because those are 354 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,240 good players. But BYU is just playing the game. BYU 355 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,119 is following the rules in their program the way that 356 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,440 all the other programs used to and not tell anybody 357 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,000 they were paying the players. And so the Cougars are 358 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,039 doing what they need to do to be competitive and 359 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:11,000 to be excellent. 360 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,759 Speaker 1: Darnell, you know this is it's a new era of 361 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:22,519 college athletics, a new era of college football, college basketball. 362 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Do you feel like, I mean, you're an Olympic sports guy, 363 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,680 are we seeing an improvement across all sports? Though we're 364 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,279 seeing it. I've seen parody in college football. I've seen 365 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,160 parody in college basketball. Even we've seen teams elevated to 366 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,480 new heights because now they can do what the SEC 367 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:44,279 schools in the Big ten schools and some of these 368 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:46,720 other schools have been doing for years, which is cheating 369 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,440 and paying their players in liquid cash bag men type 370 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,319 of funds. Now everyone can do it and it's proper 371 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,400 as legal. You know, are we seeing some parody and 372 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:04,160 is there a benefit on the Olympic sports side as well? Well? 373 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: At least initially, I see not parody in Olympic sports. 374 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,920 I see a bigger disparity between the top levels and 375 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,680 the other levels. I feel like it really depends on 376 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,319 how much your athletic department and your university are willing 377 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,000 to put money forward their Olympic programs, And a lot 378 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:26,480 of the discussion with all of this has been there's 379 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,359 going to be schools who are going to say, you know, 380 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,559 we're just not going to field these Olympic teams as 381 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:33,640 many as we used to. We're going to cut programs 382 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:36,559 so we can keep spending money on the money making sports. 383 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,799 I haven't seen that from BYU yet, but I think 384 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,880 I have seen in sports like women's soccer and women's volleyball. 385 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:49,519 I think that there are some universities who are really 386 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,759 out ahead in terms of how much they're paying their athletes. 387 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,440 And I can give this example. I was doing a 388 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:01,720 women's basketball Big Twelve preview and are going through each team, 389 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,799 and there are so many teams whose leading scorer is 390 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,319 a transfer, and you know, why would they leave, Like, 391 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,119 for instance, of the girl who played at Notre Dame 392 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,720 that's now at TCU eleven mile, why would she leave 393 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:20,359 Notre Dame for TTU. Well, there's probably lots of reasons, 394 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,000 but I would say you'd have to consider that she 395 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,119 was paid an offul lot of money to go do that. 396 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:28,559 Not a lot of the universities and willing to put 397 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:32,240 that much money toward an Olympic sport that doesn't make 398 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:35,599 a ton of money for the university. So we'll see 399 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,960 that play out over the next few years. But again, 400 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,119 I see more of a disparity between the top and 401 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,599 the bottom in Olympic sports than than I have in 402 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,680 previous years. 403 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: Let me miss this, darn, I'm going to pivot over 404 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,359 to football because the college football cartel, the cabal, the oligopoly, 405 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,240 it's still rain in front there. I was. I was 406 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,240 reading up on psyops recently. Are you familiar with with 407 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,680 psychological op psyops at all? 408 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: Not really? 409 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: Okay, well, there's a couple of signs that you're living 410 00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:13,599 in a syop where you're experiencing a syop. I thought 411 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:17,519 it was very interesting, and you know, I think there's 412 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,400 a little bit of a college football syop going on. 413 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,519 You see a lot of the talking heads, right, the 414 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:28,279 power brokers of the media world, all saying the same 415 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,640 thing at the same time. Have you noticed that at all? 416 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:39,119 Maybe maybe Kirk Herbstreet, Nick Sabin, Josh Pate, Joel Klatt, 417 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:45,200 Paul Finebaum, you know what I mean? They all say 418 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,960 the same thing, and so I thought it was interesting, Like, 419 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,319 you know, there's certain signs that you're in a bit 420 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,400 of a syop, if you will. One of them is 421 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720 that the media all say the same thing, they all 422 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,319 echo the same thing. It's almost scripted, right, and it's everywhere. 423 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,279 It's like, and if you go against it, your ostracize, 424 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,799 you're attacked. Right. So let me ask you this. I 425 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:14,480 gave you a few of those names, right, Which college 426 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,960 football talking head is the most compromised, bought and paid 427 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,200 for by the college football cartel the cabal? Is it 428 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,799 Joe Klatt? Is it Kirkirbstreet? Is it ex Saban, Paul 429 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:25,279 Faibas or Josh Pate. 430 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,799 Speaker 2: It seems to me that most of what I'm reading 431 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:33,599 online is Kirk Kurbstreet takes a lot agreed, and he 432 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,920 says he's not. I mean, he knows what the what 433 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,400 the noise is. It's an interesting observation, Ben, And certainly 434 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,359 we saw that play out during the college football playoffs 435 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,240 because pretty much every single talking head was not talking 436 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:54,720 about by U, regardless of what their resume was, which 437 00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:57,319 in many cases was better than teams they were talking about, 438 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,240 and VYU was being left out of graphics of teams 439 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,039 that were supposed to be in the same area and 440 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,799 had similar resumes and wins. So you know, it does 441 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,599 does lend itself to conspiracy theory ideas we all tend 442 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,839 to pairt what we read and see and and what 443 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:21,400 what we what we think doesn't always enter the equation 444 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,359 and we just well that that makes sense. Maybe I'll 445 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,039 just say that. Or are they being told by the 446 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,680 upper management that this is what you have to say 447 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,880 or want to not do they not want to appear 448 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,720 that they're not towing the company line. I don't know, 449 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:39,839 I mean, it's it was. It was mind boltling to 450 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,799 a lot of people, including me, that b YU was 451 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,400 not being talked about as legit. And what's interesting is, 452 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,160 you know everyone just said, well, you need to play 453 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,039 better against Texas Tech, and that was really true by 454 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,000 you had played closer in those games and not them conceded. 455 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,200 I mean talk about blowbots. Both of those games were 456 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,559 close in third quarter and then things just kind of 457 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,200 fell fart. So they did play them well for two 458 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:08,480 and a half quarters in both situations, but final score 459 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,720 indicated that the game was not close, and so that 460 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,519 was the overriding element and data point that these guys 461 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,240 argued whenever by was brought up, Well, look, they got 462 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,519 beat really badly by Texas Tech, even though Texas Texas 463 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,680 the number four team in the country and has maybe 464 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000 the best defense in the country. Those other data points 465 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,640 that BYU had advantages over the other teams didn't matter 466 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,000 because of what the eye test told them. So you know, 467 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:40,440 they tended to pair it exactly what they knew they 468 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,920 they'd seen, so b why you kind of could have 469 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,559 maybe changed that narrative a little bit with closer games. 470 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,640 But when you're not being when you're not being graded 471 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:56,160 or compared fairly in that idea, then you know you 472 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,839 have limited number of opportunities to change their mind. 473 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: Darnell Dixon the Daily Heraldi and nobody knows it better. Darnell, 474 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,599 what have you been writing about over the Daily Herald 475 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,160 that we can read right now? 476 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of basketball. Obviously, you wrote something about 477 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:18,680 the scheduling. I had a long talk with with the 478 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,880 coaching staff BYU, with Chris Burgess in particular. This just 479 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,079 happened before the Seaton started and talked about the scheduling, 480 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,200 and I've kind of seen it play out over the 481 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,839 course of the non conference schedule. They wanted to make 482 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,480 it kind of like what Arizona did last year, because 483 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,880 by you finished higher than Arizona the standings, had a 484 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,119 better record, but because of NET, Arizona got a better 485 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,200 NCA seed. So that's what B why you kind of 486 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,960 patterned their schedule after, is what they saw Arizona and 487 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:54,160 other Power Conference teams did to bring their NET ranking up. 488 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,200 And you just mentioned when we started the show, B 489 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,039 why you could be a number two seed. And that's 490 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,720 a lot of schedule work as well as the work 491 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,640 on the floor. So that's something I wrote about. Got 492 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,319 the women's the Big Twelve basketball preview going in tomorrow 493 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,839 and then next week of course the men's Big Twelve preview, 494 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,079 and man, it's just a load. There's some great teams 495 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,039 really looking forward to seeing BYU against the Iowa States 496 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,799 and Texas, Texas and Kansas, and you know, the Big 497 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,920 Twelve is just a great, great conference. And I really 498 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,640 liked then that. You know, once we started playing in 499 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,200 the Big Twelve, they started having posting news conferences with 500 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,359 the opposing coach love. They never did, never did in 501 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,960 the West Coast Conference in the month West Nope, I 502 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,400 mean occasionally, like when you went to the conference tournaments. 503 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,759 They do that, but not regular season games. And I 504 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,240 love to pick the brains as some of these coaches 505 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,599 from the Big twelve teams. They're great coaches and they 506 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,759 have a lot of interesting things to say, and so 507 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,279 I'm looking forward to that as well. 508 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: Darnald Dixon. Ladies and gentlemen, Donna, we sleech you, We 509 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,400 appreciate you, We love you. Great content. I want you 510 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,160 to do some due diligence on this syop in the 511 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,519 college football world. See what you can find. Brother. 512 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,319 Speaker 2: Okay, you have a great weekend, Ben. 513 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,279 Speaker 1: He said, okay, but he acted like he's not gonna 514 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,920 do it. That that that's exactly He's like, Oh, we 515 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:21,160 don't oh donkey, he said, Man, come on, let's go. 516 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,960 Let's get into syops. They're real guys, that's our segment. 517 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:28,680 Is a Pokemon it is not. I'm sure there's probably 518 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,680 some syop power, uh you know, illustrated by or you know, 519 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:38,400 emanated by one of those pokemon's anma people things. Anyway, 520 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,400 I'm not sure, but uh, Darnell, love and appreciate you, man. 521 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,160 Thanks for propping off. 522 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,599 Speaker 2: All right, see you later. 523 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,559 Speaker 1: There you have it. There, you have it a little 524 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:50,160 UH Daily Heraldian for you here on your Utah ESPN 525 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:54,440 Radio network. Guys, UH, we're live from the road Home 526 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,079 the road Home dot dot org and UH two's the 527 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,920 season to be giving. Because we've been given much, we 528 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,319 two must give and the Road Home is in need 529 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:09,279 of your help. At this time. They are housing thousands 530 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,880 of people along the Wassatch front at each one of 531 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,079 their locations. Last year, eight thousand people were served by 532 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,319 the road Home, two thousand children. Up to ninety percent 533 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:24,000 of those that were placed in housing remained housed in fact, 534 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:27,319 so we we we take care of them as they 535 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,359 get back on their feet here at the road Home. 536 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,599 Call today make a donation. 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We'll be back. 548 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,200 Don't go anywhere. Cougarnations to play it again to as 549 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,000 we get into some Isaiah Glasger commentary. Is IG coming back, 550 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,119 is IG going into the portal? Is IG going to 551 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,680 the National Football League. Let's discuss on the flip side. 552 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:27,960 You're listening to Cougar Sports on one O three nine 553 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:29,680 ninety eight point three ESP