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Speaker 1: North of Springfield. There's a site called Fulbright Springs. Just

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north of that, there's this hill. They did some excavations

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in burial mounds that were found on this hill. You

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had seven skeletons that were aligned like the spokes on

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a wheel burial mound that they had found out in

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the Ohio area where I think these beams or these

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skeletons were buried like the spokes on a wheel, but

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they were in a sitting position and they were all

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facing each other, and I believe that they were supposedly

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some kind of Bigfoot creature.

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Speaker 2: There was another.

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Speaker 1: Spoke mound burial that was unearthed somewhere in Indiana where

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there were eight skeletons, one of them being anywhere from

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eight to nine feet tall.

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Speaker 3: This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name is Matt and

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joining me is Nicholas Daegel. Now, Nicholas, I don't want

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to call you an author. You are an author. You're

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the author of Genesis six and the Ozarks, which we're

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going to talk about. But I see you as much

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more than that. I see you as more of a researcher.

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And it seems like your book was kind of research

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notes and laid out like research. Would you agree with that?

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That's a very astute observation. I would agree with that, ohheartedly. Actually,

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this topic is a lot. There is a lot to this.

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How did did you end up writing this book? What

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was your motivation and inspiration behind actually putting a book

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of this out there?

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Speaker 1: So and I in my book, I do explain that

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in the first couple of chapters, I'm going to just

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kind of get a cliff notes version. Yeah, pretty much

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pretty much. What kind of got me from there to

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hear is I had read through the Book of Genesis.

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I am a person of strong faith, and I claim that.

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through the Book of Genesis. So I was reading through

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the Book of Genesis, and I had come across Genesis six.

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It kind of mind boggled me when I read through this,

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because in Genesis six it talks about sons of God

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going into darters of man and creating these beings called

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the Nephelum. So I had I mean, I had heard

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about and sorry nephylin being giant beans. I had heard

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about giants all throughout the Bible. I mean, you hear

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about when twelve spies go into the land of Canaan,

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they see what they appear as giants, right, and they

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look like grasshoppers. And then you have, I meant, the

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famous story David and Goliath where the little shepherd boy

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uses the slingshot, throws a rock and hits a giant

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who's like nine or ten foot right in the middle

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of the head and wins the victory.

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Speaker 2: So but I had never I never realized there.

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Speaker 1: Was a kind of a whole story and con I

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guess you could say a conspiracy behind it all.

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Speaker 2: But that really.

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Speaker 1: Kind of got started me on my journey to research

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the Nephelin man discover what these things were.

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Speaker 2: I meant, there are two prevailing theories.

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Speaker 1: One is that I mean they had the sons of

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God into the daughters of Man. Well, the main I

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taught is that the sons of God were the sons

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of Seth, who was the righteous.

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Speaker 2: Lineage of Adam and Eve.

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Speaker 1: After Cain killed Abel, Seth replaced Abel. Well, so you

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have these sons of God who are supposed to be

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the sons of Seth, But then you have the daughters

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of Men, who are supposed to be the daughters of

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Cain and they're mating creating these Nephilim, So pretty.

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Speaker 2: Much with this idea that that seth I view is

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Speaker 1: An unholy lineage with a holy lineage, right making giants.

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or unholy, it doesn't make en time they would create

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creatures of immense size.

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Speaker 3: Both groups were human, yeah, exactly, of flesh. So I

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mean there's you know, regardless of religious views or anything,

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Christians or holy and they have children all the time

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the way the second view would be, the angelic view

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bene Elohim. They were fallen angels who came down, saw

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female women, mated with them, and then created this hybrid offspring,

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half fallen angel, half human, which that makes more sense

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the angels being fallen for that reason, isn't there?

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chained up in darkness because of sending against the almighty Creator.

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against God and against man. And then there's also books

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it's not part of the inspired scriptures of God, it's

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still could bring some value and understanding to the whole

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is like the book of the first Book of Enoch

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and explaining everything that happened during that time of Genesis six,

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during that time period. But anyway, so I really just

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idea of the sons of God being fallen angels mating

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with man and really even just kind of going back

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to grade school and learning about you know, you have

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the these Greek mythology. You have these little gene gods

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mating with female women, and they're creating these demigods.

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Speaker 2: Like you can kind of see the Genesis and six.

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Speaker 1: Narratives throughout other mythologies as well if you really look,

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other mythologies and other stories amongst various cultures.

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the Genesis sixth narratives. Well, as I was doing a

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lot of this research, I it seemed like with a

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there was a flood that came, and then after the flood,

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so that if another flood were to come, they could

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female giant named Setsuna. So it was just just very interesting.

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these early indigenous groups said that they were already here

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the whole story of the Piute Indians and the Lovelock

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giants and the Piot Indians burning these giants alive in

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Speaker 1: A lot of these different sites too, they align up

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure. And I mean a lot of those structures.

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Speaker 2: It seems, yeah, it really does.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, it's I'm glad that you brought the

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Speaker 2: Are really all the pyramid.

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so much similarities and supposedly none of these people had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen some stuff. I believe it's from Graham

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behind the pyramids for instance. Yeah, and it's just mind blowing.

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Speaker 1: And honestly that's that. I love Graham Hancock's work. Like, so,

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them being Christian, based their work on the Nephilim, But

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narratives being played out through all these ancient cultures and

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through the resource that he has done on these different

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Speaker 3: Well, let me back up for just a second and

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you're gone. How did the lephalom survive?

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things where there has to be

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on the earth in those days and also afterwards. So

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God went into the daughters of Man. So some people

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translate our interpret that as saying there was multiple occurrences

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where sons of God went into the daughters of Man,

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creating these Nephelin beans.

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Speaker 2: I mean it happened in.

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Speaker 1: Those days, but then there was also another an another

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incursion happened after the flood. And that's where we get

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in the Land of Canaan, these giant offspring, because the

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Bible does, I mean, the Bible does allude to them

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coming back after the flood. Because then no gosh, I

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think it's number fourteen. It talks about the Anachem, and

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it says that it literally says the Anacheine war descendants

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of the nepheline. And then you can follow the path

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because so it says the Anachem. Then when Joshua comes

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into the land of Canaan to conquer it, it mentions

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that the Anachein it's either in Deuteronomy or Joshua. It

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mentions that the Anakeem settled in Ashdod, Gaza and Gas.

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So they moved down to Philistine territory, one being Gas.

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And then you go to first Samuel when David is

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battling Goliath. Goliath was from Gas. Okay, you can see

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the progression in the Old Testament of how the Anachem

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or descendants of the Nasaline they went to Gas and

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ash Dad and Gaza and golithe was from Gas and

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Goliath being a man or a being of an immense

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size nine or ten foot tall.

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Speaker 3: Well, the title of your book Genesis six and the Ozarks,

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you're from Missouri, yes, So how did they get there?

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Where's the connection there? How do we get from that

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area of the world to right here in the heartland

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of the United States.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, what I see arize and this all speculation,

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But what I believe is that as Joshua was driving.

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Speaker 2: Them out of the land of Cane and.

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Speaker 1: They dispersed amongst other areas of the world, and from

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that their descendants continually dispersed coming over. And like I

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even believe that when you hear about the Phoenicians, could

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I think the Phoenicians could have possibly been neshalom and origin.

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They were seafaring people. Did they learn how to travel

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long distances across vast seas, and that's how they came

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over here. One reason to make me believe that is

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because and I've seen this in what was it America?

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I think it was an America on Earth with Scott Walters.

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He there is a site here in New Hampshire called

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America's Stone Hinge. And it's very interesting because the people

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that own America's Stone Hinge they have a son who

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I mean, he's in his probably in his thirties. But

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this was ten years ago. He discovered a line that

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connects from America Stone Hinge all the way to by

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Root Lebanon, which I meant by Root Lebanon that would

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have been in the Middle East where these giants would

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have been at I mean right next to right next

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to Israel, and I know Lebanon is where the Phoenicians were. Well,

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what's interesting is in this connection he found from by

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Root Lebanon to America's Stone Hinge. If you zoom in

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down in England, it goes directly through Stone Hinge.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, So.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if I mean they were the Phoenicians, that

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was the path they traveled to get from point A

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to point B, Like could these some of these micalypic

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sites also.

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Speaker 3: Be trail markers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, trail markers, breadcrumbs being left along the path that

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these beings could have traveled. And as I as I

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stayed before, I meant they would have had this advanced

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knowledge of the cosmos because it was passed on to

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them from their fallen angel fathers, fallen angel angelic fathers.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of in Native American history. Whenever you're

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talking about Bigfoot creatures sasquatch, which you know are obviously

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the giant of choice on this podcast, they say that

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they were here before them. They always referenced these giants

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as being here before they were here. If it's a

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group that you know in their history they traveled here,

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they were already here. There's some oral tradition history that

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says that the the Bigfoot let them out of a

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cave or emerge from the cave whenever they got here,

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things of that nature, which also kind of lines up

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with what you're saying about them traveling here on their

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own potentially and would have been here long long before

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we even stepped foot on this land as humans.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, I'm not as like and I was telling you

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this before we started, I'm not as well first in

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the whole Bigfoot realm. I mean, I'm starting to get

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a little more into it, but I really do. I

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really believe that they tie.

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Speaker 3: There's a tremendous amount of overlap, which is what I

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wanted to talk about next. Actually, because you've done a

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lot of research into mounds and burial sites where they've

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unearthed these giant skeletons, and a lot of times in

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the Bigfoot world, those mounds and burial sites and the

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giant skeletons are tied to the Bigfoot stuff and the

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idea that they were living alongside Native Americans and possibly

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revered enough by the Native Americans and some of their

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social connections to bury them inside mountains and things like that.

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Talk a little bit about the research that you found,

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especially in your area, whenever it comes to that topic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So, and my book really centers around So first,

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I want to say, my book really centers around a

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gentleman named Sterling Price Newberry. He was a missionary, a

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Baptist pastor, and he lived in the area in the

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nineteen thirties or he was really active in his He

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was an amateur archaeologist. He was very active between nineteen

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thirty two to like nineteen thirty six and thirty seven.

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That's where I found a lot of newspaper articles on

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his archaeological finds. I mean, he must have really just

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been going at it those four or five years. One

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interesting one that he found was in nineteen thirty two

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he found this mound, two mounds actually, that were north

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of Springfield. There's a site called full Bright Springs, and

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full Bright Springs is currently owned by the city. It

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is a it's a park, it's a greenway trail. Actually,

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they turned a lot of these. They turned that area

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into a bike path. The greenway trail that I meant

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the greenway trail is probably like five miles long. But

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with full Bright Springs. It was settled by the Fulbright family,

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who were one of the pioneer families of Springfield. There's

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even it's also its stand up now too, and it's

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one of the water.

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Speaker 2: Reserves for the city of Springfield.

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Speaker 1: So at the full Bright area there is this probably

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one hundred year building that is the full Bright Pump Station,

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and just north of that there's this hill. And what's

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interesting is in this article that I found from nineteen

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thirty two, Sterling Newberry and his son, Sterling Newberry Junior.

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They did some excavations in burial mounds that were found

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on this hill, and the two burial mounds were on

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the west side of the hill. Newberry said in the

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article that he believes that that's because as the sun

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was setting, I meant those mounds were aligned up to

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go along with the setting sun. Well, so when they

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unearthed these two burial mounds there was a more north

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one and then the one that was just directly south

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of it, and the northern one it was just a

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single individual burial. He claims it was some kind of

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Indian chieftain. Very interesting characteristic about the skeleton. It doesn't

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say anything about the height of any of the skeletons,

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but this chieftain skeleton, his skull was painted red. I

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don't know the significance of that or why, but that

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has to be significant now it's so, I mean that

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that intrigued me. And then just south of that Indian

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barial mound, you had another burial mound that when they

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excavated it, you had seven skeletons that were aligned like

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the spokes on a wheel. I do have a friend

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named Kent, who I mean, he's going out.

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Speaker 2: To a lot of these sites with me. He lives,

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I mean, he loves locally.

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Speaker 1: And him and I, I mean, we're pretty good friends

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and we're both into this stuff. Kent is originally from

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the Indiana, Ohio area, and he's actually done a lot

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of work with I don't know if you ever heard

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of Fritz Zimmerman, who so Cant and Fritz are well acquainted.

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And Kent was telling me about a burial site that

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they found, burial mound that they had found out in

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the Ohio area where you had I think these beams

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or these skeletons were buried like the spokes on a wheel,

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that they were in a sitting position and they were

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all facing each other, and I believe that they were

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supposedly some kind of bigfoot creature, which I thought was

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pretty interesting because I mean, you had that same spoke

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mound burial, that same spoke burial pattern I did find

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from the nineteen twenties, there was another spoke mound burial

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that was unearthed somewhere in Indiana where there were eight skeletons,

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one of them being anywhere from eight to nine feet tall.

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So there's something about this spoke pattern, and it seems

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like it was greatly revered. I wonder if it's I mean,

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it definitely has to do something with solar alignment. I

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would I can only imagine it has some kind of

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origins in solar.

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Speaker 2: Sun worship or something like that. But I just thought

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it was.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting that you have a burial pattern with an

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eight or nine foot skeleton in nineteen twenty found in Indiana,

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but that same burial pattern was found here four or

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five hundred miles away in Springfield, Missouri.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, obviously it's something that more than one

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group did, but it wasn't the go to thing for

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them to do either, So it has to represent something.

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It has to be significant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to find out more details from can

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about the burial mound where there was like the supposed

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Bigfoot entities that were buried, But like I said, they

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were in a seated position and they were all facing

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each other, but it was still that same spoke pattern.

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Speaker 3: So I'm thinking about what you're talking about, how would

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they do that. I know there's no way to know

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for sure, but if you've got seven skeletons laid out

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in a pattern like that in a circle inside of

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a mound. Did they all perish at the same time

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where they added one at a time? Was it forethought

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that we're going to do it like this and this

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is how many will complete the circle?

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Speaker 1: So here are my thoughts and this I'm tying this

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to another site that Stirling Newberry down two or three

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years later. I wonder, could those seven that were buried

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a line like spokes on a wheel?

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Speaker 2: So this this top dog that had the red skull.

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Speaker 1: I almost wonder if he was he might have been

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a giant or someone of in size, even though the.

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Speaker 2: Article doesn't say that. The speculation right.

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Speaker 1: But he was the important one, he was the single

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he was, he was on the highest point. Something was

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very important about him, some high priest or chief or something.

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I wonder, could those seven that were buried like the

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spokes on a wheel, could they have actually been servants

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that were sacrificed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, once again, this is all conjecture, speculation, but

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it's very very plausible.

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Speaker 3: Because typically I mean, side by side are stacked. It's

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typically how it goes, which makes sense because you know

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people pass away at different times, and they're buried at

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different times, so that's the easiest way to go about it.

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You don't want to have to dig up someone and

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move them around and position them and all that. So Yeah,

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this specific thing leads me to believe that this was

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an intentional thing that happened very much. Happened at the

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same time the ones that were seated also seems very

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significant that they were in that position. I have heard

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a story about an archaeological dig that found a couple

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very large skeletons in this part of the country. Okay,

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that were painted. They had they had painted markings on

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them and elaborate headdresses. But one of the most interesting

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aspects was they were buried with parrot feathers, and we

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don't have parrots, so nobody really had an explanation. And

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they were supposedly you know, uh, over seven foot if

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I remember correctly, and but buried in a mound and

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treated with great reverence and respect whoever they were.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So when I hear things like that parrot feathers, I

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mean that just for me, that backs up Graham Hancock's

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claim that there was a worldwide trade system, Like there's

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there's no way around it. Yeah, I mean, and I

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think that these I personal believe that these neffling, these giants,

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whatever they were, they were part of that. Heck, they

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might have been the ones who started the whole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they might have instituted it.

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Speaker 2: Exactly instituted. That's a great way to say.

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Speaker 3: It, especially if they were setting things up to be worshiped,

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you know. Yeah, going on the theory that you're presenting,

477
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,279
would line up with their heritage, you know, bringing the

478
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:07,759
worship to them instead of God. Yeah, exactly were the

479
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,440
skeletons that you mentioned in your part of the country

480
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,519
where they buried with anything and the items or anything

481
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:16,920
like that.

482
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: So the Indian chieftain was buried with a stone battle axe,

483
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,759
and actually, I think in the article it says a

484
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:32,200
stone sacrificial battle axe. I really wonder if, like I said,

485
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,880
I really wonder if those seven that were in the

486
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,039
spoke pattern.

487
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,119
Speaker 2: That they were sacrificed.

488
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,279
Speaker 1: Heck, they might have even been that battle axe might

489
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,920
have been used as a sacrificial tool.

490
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might have been.

491
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,599
Speaker 1: And what's also interesting is I mean, so, yeah, I

492
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,279
spent a lot of time with my book looking at

493
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,720
old newspaper archives, but also.

494
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,559
Speaker 2: Looking at old.

495
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,519
Speaker 1: Records in the in our local libry, and I found

496
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,119
from nineteen fourteen, and this would have been the same area.

497
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: There was an em Shepherd. Ian Shepherd was.

498
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: A he was like he was a professor at a

499
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,239
local university, and he was active, you know, late eighteen hundreds,

500
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,320
early nineteen hundreds. I think he passed. He actually passed

501
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,679
in the nineteen thirties, probably around when Newberry was really

502
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,239
getting into the height of his archaeological career. In a

503
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,000
lot in some of the newspaper articles I've seen Newberry

504
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,280
reference Shepherd, So I think im Shepherd was an inspiration

505
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,920
for Newbery in some aspect. And I even think Newberry

506
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,960
probably used some of Shepherd's published work to spur on

507
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:57,840
some of his archaeological finds. So for instance, being in

508
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,039
nineteen fourteen, this would have been what fifteen or sixteen

509
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:08,360
years before Newberry found this Spoke Mountain burial. Shepherd Minton's

510
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,880
in a book about the history of Springfield that there

511
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,519
was a cave on the which would have been the

512
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,840
Owen property. Right now that where the Owen property would

513
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,840
have been. It is now called Lost Hill Park. This

514
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,199
park is on the same Greenway trail the full Bright

515
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Greenway trail that goes from full Bright Springs to one

516
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,880
of the local elementary schools. I can't remember the name

517
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,320
of the elementary school, but it's that five mile trail.

518
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:39,679
Speaker 2: Well.

519
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:44,039
Speaker 1: Lost Hill Park's only like a mile away from full

520
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:49,639
Bright Springs where this Spoke Mountain burial was found. There

521
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,440
are several caves in this Lost Hill, like several caves

522
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,239
in this hill that that Lost Hill Park. Of course,

523
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,920
they've all been sealed up.

524
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,039
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can't go crawling in there. And I've.

525
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,559
Speaker 1: I've watched I've watched the there's a YouTube video of

526
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,800
a guy who's a local splunker and he's going in

527
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,800
some of these different caves and I mean he records

528
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,320
himself because I'm not going to crawl in them, but

529
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960
he's he's going crawl in them, and I mean he

530
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,440
records like he can only get a couple of feet

531
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960
in until it's been completely covered up to where no

532
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,159
one can go in these caves. And I mean it's

533
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,599
it's to protect it's to protect the ecosystem and stuff

534
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,119
like that. But anyway, in one of those, I think

535
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,480
in the Lost Hill there's at least three or four

536
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,760
caves there that are covered up well. In one of

537
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,639
those caves, Ian Shepherd writes that he found bones strength

538
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Actually it says strange bones in this history book that

539
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:59,039
were broken in half. Some of them were long bones

540
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,000
like the and stuff like that were broken in half

541
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,719
and bone marrow had been extracted. It doesn't allude to

542
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,199
what kind of bones. I wonder if it is human.

543
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,760
And the reason I say that is because this isn't

544
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,840
the first time in my research I've come across long

545
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,039
bones in a cave that have been broken in half

546
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:22,119
for bone marrow.

547
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: To be extracted.

548
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,559
Speaker 1: Love Lock Cave, like I mentioned earlier with the Red

549
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:31,199
Haired Giants. When that cave was estimated, they found human

550
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,760
loan bones that had been broken in half, bone marrow extracted,

551
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:43,440
which points to some kind of cannibalistic activity. So Ian

552
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:49,199
Shepherd most likely found evidence of cannibalism in that flul

553
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,519
Bright area. And then what two decades later, Sterling Newberry

554
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,519
then finds a spoke mound.

555
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: Burial seems awfully coincidental.

556
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: Yes, it really does, and that's that's that's honestly how

557
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,280
I look at it.

558
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,639
Speaker 2: It seems it seems too coincidental.

559
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you said they were a mile apart.

560
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even that.

561
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. So over the years, obviously, giant skeletons being found

562
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:27,400
in archaeological dig sites and various other methods. It's been

563
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,519
a reoccurring theme throughout history. There's lots of old newspaper

564
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,440
articles about it and mentions of it and history books,

565
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:46,519
and there's also I've read several instances of archaeololo archaeologists

566
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:53,320
at the time possibly being involved in hoaxing large skeletons

567
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,320
for the purpose of, you know, money, I would assume, Yeah,

568
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,800
but they wouldn't be hoaxing them if that wasn't like

569
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,480
something big to find, right, there has to be something

570
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,840
for them to like. We have bigfoot hoaxers obviously, and

571
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,559
the reason we have bigfoot hoaxers is because people talk

572
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:20,400
about seeing bigfoot. So no hoaxing makes sense. Very seldom

573
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,199
do you have a hoax perpetrated on something that doesn't

574
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,920
exist and has never been heard of. So finding these

575
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,480
giant skeletons, hey, I want some of that money. I

576
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,880
want some of the people to back me and what

577
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,159
I'm doing. So I'm going to hoax this giant skeleton.

578
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:40,719
Find that makes sense. The part that gets me Where

579
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,079
are the bones? Where are the skeletons? Obviously you hear

580
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:48,199
conspiracy theories about, you know, people from the Smithsonian showed

581
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,079
up and took them and they disappeared or whatever time

582
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:56,599
and time again. What are your thoughts on that. Do

583
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:01,079
you think there's some no pun intended giant cover up

584
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:01,440
going on?

585
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I really layan that way, Yes, I do,

586
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,440
because and I'm not going to say that I'm not

587
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,920
saying that every single I'm not saying that every single

588
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,000
skeleton that was found that was stated to be a

589
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,280
giant is authentic. But I'm also not going to say

590
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,199
that every single one was a hoax, right, Because Here's

591
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,320
how I've kind of thought about it.

592
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: You have.

593
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:38,079
Speaker 1: At least eight hundred to one thousand accounts all across

594
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:46,639
America of everyday, average, hardworking people farmers who found anywhere

595
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,079
from seven to eleven foot skeletons over the course of

596
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:56,320
sixty years. In most of these accounts, local people who

597
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,360
were part of universities like very prestigious and respect did

598
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,079
in those days, came to look at these fines.

599
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: So it was significant enough for.

600
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: The academic community come check it out. Then even significant

601
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,360
enough that the Smithsonian came in, looked at it, and

602
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,360
a lot of times Smithsonian took them. So but then

603
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,440
when you look at this Smithsonian like I mean, it

604
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,559
takes a quick Google search. You can type in giant skeletons,

605
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,159
and the first thing that comes up the Smithsonian claims

606
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:32,960
all these were fake.

607
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way. There's no way that many were fake.

608
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,159
Speaker 1: Either you have over a thousand accounts of people who

609
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:48,400
have repeatedly tried to outsmart the system and they all

610
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,440
went and the Smithsonian declared them all fake. Or you

611
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:59,519
have people who found something of significance and there's one

612
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,440
institute that holds a lot of power and control that

613
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:07,320
came in and thought it was significant that they took

614
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,320
the remains, and no one really knows what happened to

615
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,719
him because in a lot of these reports, I mean,

616
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,440
it clearly says in most of these articles that the

617
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,239
Smithsonian took them.

618
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: And it's not even just the newspaper articles.

619
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: So, first off, Newberry, Sterling Newberry, he also found this

620
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,960
was a few years later after he found this Spoke

621
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,599
Mountain burial. He found another cave in another site east

622
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:40,519
of Springfield, also James River, that had supposedly as textile

623
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:46,840
pottery in this cave. Well, one was those three bowls

624
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,039
that were very significant that are explained pretty well in

625
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:55,079
this in this article, and it's one was a snake body.

626
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,480
There was a bowl that the rim was a snake body,

627
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,679
and it morphed into a panther head, which I mean

628
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:08,000
that sounds very aspect sound. Then the next bowl had

629
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,320
five points at the base, so when you turn it

630
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,280
over it made a star shape. Then the last one

631
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,559
was a bowl with an owl head. What's interesting is

632
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,960
that article says that they went to the Smithsonian in

633
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,320
nineteen forty. In my research of going to the library,

634
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:32,400
I found a book called The History of Springfield by

635
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,280
Miriam L. Brown, and this was written in nineteen forty.

636
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: Miriam L.

637
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,039
Speaker 1: Brown was a educator and teacher of the Springfield Public

638
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:41,719
School system.

639
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: She wrote in this.

640
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,559
Speaker 1: Book that a couple of years she's talking about the

641
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,280
mound builders in one of the chapters, and she says,

642
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,960
a couple of years ago, some very interesting pieces of

643
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:57,159
pottery were found by some local gentlemen. And this pottery

644
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,840
was unlike anything that has ever been seen before.

645
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,519
Speaker 2: In this part of the country, so much that.

646
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,559
Speaker 1: A museum from Washington, DC came in and.

647
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: Said the pottery was.

648
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: Very significant and unlike anything they've ever seen, and pretty

649
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:19,480
much it states that this museum in Washington, DC took

650
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:24,400
the pottery. So I have another record that's not just

651
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,360
a newspaper article saying that one of the Newberry's finds

652
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,360
did go to the Smithsonian and this pottery was at

653
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,000
the time would have been so out there and so

654
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:43,280
out of place, uncharacteristic of what's been found before that

655
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440
they decided to put it in the Springfield public school

656
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,719
system in one of the curriculum books. I mean, that's

657
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,159
pretty significant. That speaks volumes to me that that's not

658
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:54,079
just some kind of hoax.

659
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,079
Speaker 3: No, I mean, the information in those books has to

660
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:57,599
be vetted.

661
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean exactly, this is something they were teaching

662
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,119
this kids in the school system to this like that

663
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,559
of that day. And also I found multiple newspaper articles,

664
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:19,239
you know, Sterling Newberry brings fifty teachers to sites of

665
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,679
archaeological significance. I found at least two articles where one

666
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,760
he took forty teachers to some of the sites that

667
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,639
he went to, and then another one he took fifty teachers.

668
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:32,480
So he was greatly involved in the Springfield Public school system.

669
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:37,079
So really to claim that these things are hogwash or

670
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,920
a hoax, then you woul almost say that the whole

671
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,880
school system was a part of it, which I don't

672
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:43,760
see that.

673
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, why why cover it up?

674
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:56,079
Speaker 1: This is just this is just my my belief, I

675
00:45:56,199 --> 00:46:03,199
think because a it kind of goes against no one

676
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,119
likes to change a story and admit they were wrong.

677
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,400
And this could greatly I mean, if there was an

678
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:18,119
advanced civilization, an advanced culture of giant entities, giant beans,

679
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:20,480
I mean, they would really rewrite history and you'd get

680
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,000
to change it all up. So he I feel like

681
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,519
there's a Hubris thing in it. But also, and this

682
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:29,719
is just me being a man of faith, I wonder

683
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:35,280
because it backs up the Bibles.

684
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,079
Speaker 3: The next part of that would be obviously the only

685
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,960
way for this cover up to work. They can't still

686
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:47,000
be around, So what happened to them? Where did this

687
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,280
the race of giants go to begin? How did they

688
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:51,599
all die off?

689
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty interesting story. So my friend, I

690
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,159
have a friend, Brent Hyde. I'm actually part of his

691
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,079
archaeological team, and I mean, if you want to check

692
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,519
out his stuff, he's on Brent Heyde Outdoors. He's done

693
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,679
a lot of research into more so than I have,

694
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,960
of this stuff. And he had said that actually with

695
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,119
some of these Native American hold on Native American stories,

696
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,760
that there is some war, that there was a sickness

697
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,760
or an illness or a disease that kind of went

698
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,119
through and wiped out some of these giants almost and

699
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:38,119
that it only affect it really only affected these giant

700
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,440
nephelin beans, kind of like sickle cell disease, you would say,

701
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,679
where sickle cell only affects, you know, African Americans. Was

702
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,880
there maybe some kind of disease that went widespread that

703
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,599
wiped them out?

704
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:58,039
Speaker 2: Or could it have also also could have.

705
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Been like you have the legend of the Pyote Indians,

706
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,880
you know, chasing these red hair giants into the caves

707
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,039
and burned them alive. Did man get tired of being

708
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:13,400
oppressed and they started to fight back and eventually won?

709
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,159
Or could there still be some out there? Could some

710
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,599
of them be Bigfoot and could they just like could

711
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,360
they there still be some out there? But they're just

712
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,199
more scarce and they only come out at certain times

713
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:27,800
and only certain people see them.

714
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

715
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,679
Speaker 1: That's up for speculation, but that's kind of what I.

716
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: What I wonder Building off of that speculation, let's just

717
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,159
say that there was an uprising that whatever was going

718
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:48,039
on the short humans decided, Hey, we're sick of it.

719
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,679
We're going to get rid of these things. Maybe there

720
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,519
was a disease that came through and decimated the population,

721
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:59,559
which gave the people the opportunity to stand up to

722
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:06,480
them numbers wise or whatever, and they did try to

723
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:12,960
eradicate them and overthrow them. That would kind of make

724
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:19,159
sense as to why Bigfoot behaves the way it does,

725
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,800
why it lives in the areas it lives in, why

726
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,599
it stays hidden, why they seem to be very selective

727
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:34,079
whenever they do have direct contact with humans. It's definitely

728
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:38,440
built on respect and trust. Based on the stories I've heard,

729
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
What are your thoughts, I know, you know Bigfoot's not

730
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:51,719
your thing, but what are your thoughts about Bigfoot being

731
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,920
connected to all of this?

732
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: I really I think that there is a high chance

733
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,480
believe that they are some kind of modern day Nephilm.

734
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,920
I really do. I believe a part of it. They

735
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,000
are spiritual, but they're also physical. And then I know,

736
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,880
I wonder if they're I mean, I'm even open to

737
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,719
the fact that could they be interdimensional?

738
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: Could they have used portals? Like I mean, could some

739
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,400
of these?

740
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: Could some of these ancient The reason these ancient ruins

741
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,360
in these sites were so important is because they were

742
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,880
portals to another dimension and they knew how.

743
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 2: To go through them. I mean, I mean, I've actually.

744
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:39,079
Speaker 1: Even heard some speculate that could they have survived the

745
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:40,800
flood because some of them could have went to another

746
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,280
dimension that I don't know, it's possibility. I really wonder

747
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,840
if they are of some kind of modern day Nephilm.

748
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,320
And I recently heard something else. I don't know if

749
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,239
you ever heard about the Candlehart Giant. I haven't really

750
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,519
studied so the candor Heart Giant. I literally heard just

751
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,800
like actually the podcast I was telling you about that

752
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,440
I was on a few days ago, the guy mentioned this.

753
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,079
Because I had never really studied much on the Candleheart Giant.

754
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,679
A lot of my energy and focus has been finding

755
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,320
stuff around here in Missouri. And I know you can

756
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,760
look at this stuff worldwide, but I just feel like

757
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,360
my focus is I want to find local stuff.

758
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, so.

759
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: I found out what the Candleheart giant. Apparently the locals

760
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:35,119
would bring offerings up to it and like leave offerings

761
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,440
at the foot of the cave the mass of the cave,

762
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,559
and I'm like, that sounds a lot like.

763
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:42,519
Speaker 2: These. I mean, I know a lot of.

764
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: I've heard in some of these big Foot stories that

765
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,119
people going and leaving it gifts. I mean, it sounds

766
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:55,840
like the acts of reverence are very similar in that aspect.

767
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: In a lot of native cultures, there are situations where

768
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:14,920
they would take food, a portion of their crops and

769
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:18,800
go and leave it at the tree line for the

770
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,480
Bigfoot so they wouldn't come in and take everything. There's

771
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:31,559
even I've heard stories of people planting a separate garden

772
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,559
for the Bigfoot to come and take things from instead

773
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:41,400
of raiding their garden. And I agree the gifting stuff

774
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:47,840
and those stories reminds me a lot of tribute and

775
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,119
reverence and things like that. That's where it all gets

776
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:55,239
kind of icky for me. There's definitely, you know, two

777
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,679
schools of thought whenever it comes to Bigfoot. You've got

778
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,000
the flesh and blood people that believe this is an

779
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,639
I'm discovered primate. A lot of that's based on behavior

780
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:08,599
similarities and evidence findings and tracks and things like that.

781
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:15,320
But then something that has grown tremendously over the past

782
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,840
ten years is the paranormal side of things, where people

783
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,519
talk about the mind speak and the portals and the

784
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:27,840
things like that, the cloaking. I mean, some of that

785
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:36,800
could potentially be you know, angelic knowledge possibly passed down,

786
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,360
you know, if you're following the Knupflin line of thought,

787
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:44,039
that they know how to do things that we don't,

788
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,039
which kind of makes sense. A lot of it is

789
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:52,480
very supernatural, and whenever you talk about angels in the Bible,

790
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:57,000
they were definitely supernatural. What we would consider paranormal.

791
00:53:58,159 --> 00:53:58,679
Speaker 2: Exactly.

792
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,559
Speaker 1: Something else that I actually recently thought about with a

793
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:07,239
possible connection, you know. I mean, I've always seen, you're

794
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,480
always seen the the imprint of a big foot. And

795
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,639
what's interesting is with a lot of these giants sometimes

796
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:18,280
they have polydactyle, you know, six toes, six fingers, And

797
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,719
actually in the Bible it does mention. I think it's

798
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,239
in first of Second Samuel, but and I believe it

799
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,719
was maybe even one of goliath.

800
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: Brothers had six digits.

801
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,159
Speaker 1: So I wondered if people have ever found any polydactyle

802
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,159
in any big foot prints, and I've actually heard that

803
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,559
there there has been. There's been some with six digits,

804
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:50,719
there's been somewhat four even down the three.

805
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: I have personally seen tracks that were human shaped, but

806
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,480
the fore foot looked like it only had three toes.

807
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:08,599
Down in Texas, it was very common for people to

808
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:14,079
find tracks in the Southern States with four toes, whereas

809
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,960
Pacific Northwest and kind of the northern States typically find

810
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:25,559
five toad Now, there was a sighting that got nationwide

811
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:30,360
attention in the early two thousands, a gentleman by the

812
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,119
name of Tim Peeler who went viral because one he

813
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:39,920
had a bigfoot sighting. But he was a very interesting character,

814
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:46,400
what I would consider a hillbilly. Okay, he lived off

815
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,079
by himself and everything. And his story was he saw this,

816
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,119
you know, this bigfoot, this giant hair covered creature at

817
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:59,880
the edge of his property, and he ran it off,

818
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,960
told it to get But during the news interview with him,

819
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:14,000
he said that it had beautiful hair and looked like

820
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:19,719
it had six fingers on each hand. Really, no, I

821
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,119
don't know a lot of people who have gotten a

822
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:25,079
good look at Bigfoot's hands, so I don't know what

823
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:28,159
the actual statistics would be on the number of times

824
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,679
that people have seen six fingers as opposed to five.

825
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,880
But Tim Peeler's testimony he said he saw six fingers,

826
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,159
So that kind of also supports what you're talking about.

827
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, and I think the polydactyle

828
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:48,800
or the extra digits or lack of digits, I mean,

829
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,960
I just feel like that's most probably most likely in

830
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,960
ish a mess up in the genetic makeup, you know,

831
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,599
since these things aren't I mean, it's messing with bloodlines,

832
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:05,199
it's messing with DNA, it's not supposed to be angelic

833
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,679
with human. It's supposed to be human with human, you know.

834
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,519
So is that some kind of error in the genetic

835
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:13,719
makeup is what I wonder.

836
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: But that is when I.

837
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Heard that there have been occasions of extra digits and

838
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,679
sometimes less digits, It's made me kind of wonder could

839
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,599
that be another tie to connect Nestlin to dig.

840
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: Flots Whenever you were doing research for your book or

841
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,079
just research in general. I mean, you're talking about ancient

842
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:46,400
burial sites and mounds and you know, lots of historic things.

843
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,519
How do you go about researching it? What resources do

844
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:56,320
you use to find these things? I mean obviously the

845
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,360
Internet would be on there, yeah, but I'm imagine it

846
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,639
goes beyond the Google search.

847
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean really a lot of a lot of newspaper.

848
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Archives, a lot of old.

849
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,599
Speaker 2: Like county historical books, like from one hundred years.

850
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,719
Speaker 1: Ago, stuff like that, because a lot of those they have,

851
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,880
I mean, they kind of talked about prehistoric, like the

852
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,119
supposed prehistoric stuff, and I feel like back then a

853
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:42,880
lot of it wasn't a censor. Yeah, I use a

854
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,119
lot of that. And then I have several several friends

855
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,519
that I've become well acquainted with who I mean, they've

856
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,719
just been studying this stuff for years, even almost decades,

857
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,639
So I kind of run ideas by them and kind

858
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:02,719
of soak up there and put it all together.

859
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:12,039
Speaker 3: Honestly, are there a lot of Christians pursuing this mystery?

860
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: It seems like there is more of an openness to

861
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,800
it than there used to be.

862
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: I mean, definitely from ten years ago.

863
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, five years ago, I would have

864
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,880
thought me now was cuckoo. I mean I really never

865
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,199
thought I'd look like I really would. I was like,

866
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:32,159
I would have thought that there's no way now that

867
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,440
stuff's real. But I was also probably just quick to

868
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,480
write stuff off because I had never heard about it before. Yeah,

869
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,639
and I think I think that's what a lot of

870
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:44,360
it is.

871
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: Well, I never heard about this, therefore it can't be real.

872
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,639
Speaker 3: So where are you going in the future with this?

873
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: So i'd like to I mean, I am kind of

874
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,800
working on a second book, and that's where with my research,

875
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,320
I'm talking about old county records and stuff like that.

876
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:11,119
I'm looking at old county records of other places around

877
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:15,239
Missouri where giant skeletons have been found to see if

878
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:23,400
there's anything that alludes to anything related to Native American

879
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:34,639
low or giants, are just similar characteristics related to the giants.

880
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,880
So like, for instance, actually the other day I was

881
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,760
I was looking into Paul Bunyan. I had never really

882
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,679
researched Paul Bunyans because Paul Bullion is very interesting, because

883
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:49,800
I mean, it's I mean, I don't believe that there

884
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,559
really was a one hundred and eighty nine foot tall

885
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,760
man that you know, carved out the great legs and all,

886
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,239
but I.

887
01:00:56,159 --> 01:01:02,239
Speaker 2: Do believe it's some of that based off of.

888
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Older facts, you know, Like I think I've kind of

889
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,960
come to believe that a lot of these miss and lures.

890
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,000
I mean they had to originate from somewhere and they

891
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:18,639
had to be an inspiration for them. So something, something

892
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:23,159
real had to inspire the mythology. So I just kind

893
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:28,159
of wondered, like, what about Paul Bunyan was interesting? Well,

894
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,920
I started to look into it, and one and I'm

895
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,880
not saying that this guy is a nephilim or anything

896
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,480
like that, but one thing that was interesting is I

897
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:42,119
found out that there is this guy who Paul Bunyan

898
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,159
was most likely based off of. And I mean this

899
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,760
guy was only six' ford and he WAS i think

900
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,079
he was Like French canadian. Descent he was from the eighteen.

901
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:52,559
Forties they said he was.

902
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: A.

903
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:57,039
Speaker 1: BRAWLER i meant like he would get in fights with.

904
01:01:57,239 --> 01:01:59,000
Everybody AND i can't remember his name off.

905
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,199
Speaker 2: The top of my. Head i'd have to look it.

906
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: Up but one interesting characteristic that they said he had

907
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,800
is that he had double rows of. Teeth and the

908
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,320
thing that thought was interesting about, THAT i mean that

909
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,199
could have just been a genetic anomaly or but with

910
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:22,320
a lot of these, skeletons some of the articles allude

911
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,079
to them, being you, know having six. Days another one

912
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:26,880
is them having double rows of, teeth.

913
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 3: Right love lock giants.

914
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: Especially, YEAH i just thought it was.

915
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 1: Interesting cal this lumberjack from the akings, forties Who Paul

916
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:41,159
bunyan might be based off, of supposed they had double

917
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:44,400
rows of. Teeth they just little little things like that

918
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,519
that kind of pop. Out is like like if you

919
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:50,400
don't know the story and the characteristics of, giants like

920
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,400
you would just overlook. It but then you see that

921
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,400
and it's like that's, like at what point dorough some

922
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,920
things or at what point this coincidence really no longer?

923
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 3: Coincidental AND i mean maybe he was the great, great

924
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:09,079
great great great grandson of one of. These, ever you

925
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,760
know what happens whenever it starts diluting down over the, Generations.

926
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,519
Speaker 1: Yeah BECAUSE i MEAN i do, BELIEVE i MEAN i

927
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,239
do believe that. THINGS i, mean there are probably some

928
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:25,000
characteristics that are passed on to like as the bloodline

929
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,920
gets more and more and more, diluted someone may have

930
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:30,400
a characteristic that. Happened BECAUSE i, mean there's still people

931
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,599
that are born with. Paulodactylee i'm not saying that they

932
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:36,679
are of that offspring or they're, not you, Know i'm

933
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:38,639
not saying that They're, Nephlin but, like could some of

934
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:39,559
these genes?

935
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,679
Speaker 2: Spread you?

936
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:44,239
Speaker 1: Know BUT i just thought it WAS i just thought

937
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:48,199
that was a very interesting characteristic in the story of

938
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:51,519
this guy who Supposedly Paul bunyan is based off, of

939
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:55,159
And Paul dunyan was lore of a giant In North.

940
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:59,679
Speaker 3: America so where can people find your Book genesis six

941
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:01,199
and the if they want to check it?

942
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: Out genesis sixth and The ozarks is exclusively On. Amazon and.

943
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:12,039
Speaker 1: All you do is you just go into you just

944
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:14,039
go To, amazon you type In genesis six and The

945
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,639
ozarks and it's the only one that comes.

946
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:21,559
Speaker 3: Up and then if somebody wants to get in contact

947
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:23,559
with you, directly how would they go about doing.

948
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:28,519
Speaker 1: That i'm gonna have A, Facebook, Nicholas John dagel or

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my email is In dagel D A I G L

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e at gmail dot.

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Speaker 3: Com all, Right, nicholas thanks for coming on the show

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and talking giants with. Me i've enjoyed, it man learned a.

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Lot hopefully people understand. It hopefully people get the connection

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and see the overlaps and the similarities a lot of

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that stuff THAT i asked you about how you go

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about RESEARCHING i Think you've done an excellent job doing

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research and including a lot of you, know visuals to

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go along with your. RESEARCH i think a lot of

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that can benefit the bigfoot community as. Well those same

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resources are available and a lot of that information is

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out there if you are willing to dig and look for.

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It so, yeah, man thanks for coming.

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Speaker 2: On, hey thanks for having me, On. Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely have you had an encounter With bigfoot Or

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dogman or something else you can't explain you'd like to

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share your story on the, podcast, well good. News you

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can email me At Bigfoot crossroads at gmail dot. Com

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check out the Website bigfootcrossroads dot. Com you can find

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links to all the past, episodes, merchandise social media, links

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everything you, need all in one. Place and until next,

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time remember there's something in the.

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Speaker 2: Woods