Speaker 1: North of Springfield. There's a site called Fulbright Springs. Just
north of that, there's this hill. They did some excavations
in burial mounds that were found on this hill. You
had seven skeletons that were aligned like the spokes on
a wheel burial mound that they had found out in
the Ohio area where I think these beams or these
skeletons were buried like the spokes on a wheel, but
they were in a sitting position and they were all
facing each other, and I believe that they were supposedly
some kind of Bigfoot creature.
Speaker 2: There was another.
Speaker 1: Spoke mound burial that was unearthed somewhere in Indiana where
there were eight skeletons, one of them being anywhere from
eight to nine feet tall.
Speaker 3: This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name is Matt and
joining me is Nicholas Daegel. Now, Nicholas, I don't want
to call you an author. You are an author. You're
the author of Genesis six and the Ozarks, which we're
going to talk about. But I see you as much
more than that. I see you as more of a researcher.
And it seems like your book was kind of research
notes and laid out like research. Would you agree with that?
That's a very astute observation. I would agree with that, ohheartedly. Actually,
this topic is a lot. There is a lot to this.
How did did you end up writing this book? What
was your motivation and inspiration behind actually putting a book
of this out there?
Speaker 1: So and I in my book, I do explain that
in the first couple of chapters, I'm going to just
kind of get a cliff notes version. Yeah, pretty much
pretty much. What kind of got me from there to
hear is I had read through the Book of Genesis.
I am a person of strong faith, and I claim that.
So I was reading through, but I had never read
through the Book of Genesis. So I was reading through
the Book of Genesis, and I had come across Genesis six.
It kind of mind boggled me when I read through this,
because in Genesis six it talks about sons of God
going into darters of man and creating these beings called
the Nephelum. So I had I mean, I had heard
about and sorry nephylin being giant beans. I had heard
about giants all throughout the Bible. I mean, you hear
about when twelve spies go into the land of Canaan,
they see what they appear as giants, right, and they
look like grasshoppers. And then you have, I meant, the
famous story David and Goliath where the little shepherd boy
uses the slingshot, throws a rock and hits a giant
who's like nine or ten foot right in the middle
of the head and wins the victory.
Speaker 2: So but I had never I never realized there.
Speaker 1: Was a kind of a whole story and con I
guess you could say a conspiracy behind it all.
Speaker 2: But that really.
Speaker 1: Kind of got started me on my journey to research
the Nephelin man discover what these things were.
Speaker 2: I meant, there are two prevailing theories.
Speaker 1: One is that I mean they had the sons of
God into the daughters of Man. Well, the main I
feel like, the mainstream theory that has been kind of
taught is that the sons of God were the sons
of Seth, who was the righteous.
Speaker 2: Lineage of Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: After Cain killed Abel, Seth replaced Abel. Well, so you
have these sons of God who are supposed to be
the sons of Seth, But then you have the daughters
of Men, who are supposed to be the daughters of
Cain and they're mating creating these Nephilim, So pretty.
Speaker 2: Much with this idea that that seth I view is
you have.
Speaker 1: An unholy lineage with a holy lineage, right making giants.
That didn't make sense to me, because whether you're holy
or unholy, it doesn't make en time they would create
creatures of immense size.
Speaker 3: Both groups were human, yeah, exactly, of flesh. So I
mean there's you know, regardless of religious views or anything,
there's lots of people in the world that are not
Christians or holy and they have children all the time
that aren't giants exactly.
Speaker 1: And I mean really just just thinking about it from
a I mean for me, that's a very simple way
to think about it. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Like
the way the second view would be, the angelic view
is that these sons of God were which also means
bene Elohim. They were fallen angels who came down, saw
female women, mated with them, and then created this hybrid offspring,
half fallen angel, half human, which that makes more sense
how you would get a giant. It's a minute's they're
creating a whole new species.
Speaker 3: And there are other passages in the Bible that reference
the angels being fallen for that reason, isn't there?
Speaker 1: Yes, there are, I know, and Peter talks about they're
chained up in darkness because of sending against the almighty Creator.
Speaker 2: And yes, throughout the throughout the scriptures.
Speaker 1: It points to them leaving their first estate and standing
against God and against man. And then there's also books
like the Book of Nach, which I meant, though.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: Mainstream, I mean, mainstream Christianity would say it's not canon,
it's not part of the inspired scriptures of God, it's
still could bring some value and understanding to the whole
Genesis six narrative because it was I mean, it really
is like the book of the first Book of Enoch
is Genesis six, those first five verses, but zoomed in
and explaining everything that happened during that time of Genesis six,
during that time period. But anyway, so I really just
kind of got into a lot of a lot of
I guess you could say experts in the area, like
I used a lot of La Marzoli. I don't know
if you've heard of La Marzoli, Timothy Alberino, doctor Michael Heizer,
who is A. He wrote The Unseen Realm. He is a.
He was a biblical scholar. He has since passed, but
he was kind of the forefather of bringing back this
idea of the sons of God being fallen angels mating
with man and really even just kind of going back
to grade school and learning about you know, you have
the these Greek mythology. You have these little gene gods
that are mating with ours I mean, or that are
mating with female women, and they're creating these demigods.
Speaker 2: Like you can kind of see the Genesis and six.
Speaker 1: Narratives throughout other mythologies as well if you really look,
I mean, you see the skeleton of it in these
other mythologies and other stories amongst various cultures.
Speaker 2: So that it is kind of what got me started.
Speaker 1: On this research and wanting to just delve more into
the Genesis sixth narratives. Well, as I was doing a
lot of this research, I it seemed like with a
lot of these stories, a lot of these myths, the
idea was that these giant Nephylum were giving credit for
you know, building a lot of these megalithic sites all
across the world, all.
Speaker 2: These pyramids, I mean it's the first one. You have.
Speaker 1: The Pyramid of Kolua down in Mexico, and in that story,
there was a flood that came, and then after the flood,
there was these giants who built this pyramid of klu
so that if another flood were to come, they could
hide on top of the pyramid to survive the next flood.
And the flood was a result of the Almighty Deity.
It was his his wrath on mankind for being corrupt
and hubrious. But then you also have on the island
of Malta you have Gigontia, which is a megalotic temple,
and the lore is that it was built by a
female giant named Setsuna. So it was just just very interesting.
And then even going into like some Native American low
some of this stuff I was looking at, I've even
heard that a lot of the lore is that a
lot of these mound complexes all across North America, that
these early indigenous groups said that they were already here
when they first came into the area, and that they
were most likely built by a race of red air giants.
And then you even have like I'm in Lovelock Cave,
the whole story of the Piute Indians and the Lovelock
giants and the Piot Indians burning these giants alive in
love Lock Cave because they were just sick and tired
of these giants who were I mean, they were devours.
They would cannibalize that, the Pioted Indians, they would steal
I mean, they were just ruthless. So just hearing all
these different tales and lore, it just it really piqued
my interest. How it seems like there was a connection
between a lot of these ancient ruins, megalithic sites, and
early mound complexes tied to giants.
Speaker 2: And how these.
Speaker 1: A lot of these different sites too, they align up
with some kind of celestial or lunar or solar event,
and that would have been knowledge that would have been
passed down from these fallen angels to their offspring, which
would have been the Nephilim, as a way to make
men worship their offspring. I mean, it's an advanced knowledge
that these giants would have had that I mean, if
you could predict the path of the sun, I mean,
people would have worshiped you as a god on this earth.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. And I mean a lot of those structures.
Like you're saying, we're talking globally here at a time
where you couldn't communicate across the world like you can
now obviously, and you still see these reoccurring things. You
see the reoccurring talks of giants, them being cannibalistic. That's
something that gets brought up a lot. And then you
have these megastructures that we still have no explanation for,
and like you're saying, a lot of them seem to
be tied to the cosmos and things in the sky
and knowledge that there's no way they would have had
and if for some reason there was a genius of
their time, there was no way for them to communicate
that information to other civilizations on the other side of
the planet. But yet it seems like they did. So
this really ties everything together.
Speaker 2: It seems, yeah, it really does.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's I'm glad that you brought the
fact that some of this is globally. It is happening
all over and just even thinking about how the similarities
in a lot of these different complexes too. I meant,
you have mound sites here in America, but if you
look over in England, there's there are similar mound sites
over in England that were created by the the Beaker people,
which was an early early indigenous group.
Speaker 2: Are really all the pyramid.
Speaker 1: Sites across Central America, It's Egypt, Cambodia. Like, there's there's
so much similarities and supposedly none of these people had
anything any kind of any form of communication, Like, how
would the idea have been spread from each individual group
to make vast similar structures when there was no communication?
Speaker 2: Our way to spread the idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen some stuff. I believe it's from Graham
Hancock that was talking about the uh, the the math
behind the pyramids for instance. Yeah, and it's just mind blowing.
It's absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 1: And honestly that's that. I love Graham Hancock's work. Like, so,
I've really well, I would say Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse
really was the catalyst for me that spurred me on
to want to delve into this even more. I mean,
I did read the Genesis six narrative, and I did
look at all these other people's work, a lot of
them being Christian, based their work on the Nephilim, But
really watching Ancient Apocalypse is kind of what sealed the
deal for me, because he doesn't come at it from
a quote unquote biblical standpoint. But even in ancient apocalypse,
you can see at least I can the Genesis six
narratives being played out through all these ancient cultures and
through the resource that he has done on these different
mound complexes and earthworks and megalithic sites.
Speaker 3: Well, let me back up for just a second and
ask you this question, because this is something that is
just one of those things that kind of sticks out
over and over and over whenever it comes to the
Nephilim theory. In the Bible, it says that they were
here during those days and after and then in the Bible,
the flood happens, and if you're not on the arc,
you're gone. How did the lephalom survive?
Speaker 1: And that is a question that's really good, and I
don't think any of us will have it.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things where there has to be
that part to it. They have to survive the flood
for all of this to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people like la Morzola, I
believe he has the idea when it says the nephila
on the earth in those days and also afterwards. So
when Moses is writing that, he is saying in those days,
meaning before the flood and after when the sons of
God went into the daughters of Man. So some people
translate our interpret that as saying there was multiple occurrences
where sons of God went into the daughters of Man,
creating these Nephelin beans.
Speaker 2: I mean it happened in.
Speaker 1: Those days, but then there was also another an another
incursion happened after the flood. And that's where we get
in the Land of Canaan, these giant offspring, because the
Bible does, I mean, the Bible does allude to them
coming back after the flood. Because then no gosh, I
think it's number fourteen. It talks about the Anachem, and
it says that it literally says the Anacheine war descendants
of the nepheline. And then you can follow the path
because so it says the Anachem. Then when Joshua comes
into the land of Canaan to conquer it, it mentions
that the Anachein it's either in Deuteronomy or Joshua. It
mentions that the Anakeem settled in Ashdod, Gaza and Gas.
So they moved down to Philistine territory, one being Gas.
And then you go to first Samuel when David is
battling Goliath. Goliath was from Gas. Okay, you can see
the progression in the Old Testament of how the Anachem
or descendants of the Nasaline they went to Gas and
ash Dad and Gaza and golithe was from Gas and
Goliath being a man or a being of an immense
size nine or ten foot tall.
Speaker 3: Well, the title of your book Genesis six and the Ozarks,
you're from Missouri, yes, So how did they get there?
Where's the connection there? How do we get from that
area of the world to right here in the heartland
of the United States.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, what I see arize and this all speculation,
But what I believe is that as Joshua was driving.
Speaker 2: Them out of the land of Cane and.
Speaker 1: They dispersed amongst other areas of the world, and from
that their descendants continually dispersed coming over. And like I
even believe that when you hear about the Phoenicians, could
I think the Phoenicians could have possibly been neshalom and origin.
They were seafaring people. Did they learn how to travel
long distances across vast seas, and that's how they came
over here. One reason to make me believe that is
because and I've seen this in what was it America?
I think it was an America on Earth with Scott Walters.
He there is a site here in New Hampshire called
America's Stone Hinge. And it's very interesting because the people
that own America's Stone Hinge they have a son who
I mean, he's in his probably in his thirties. But
this was ten years ago. He discovered a line that
connects from America Stone Hinge all the way to by
Root Lebanon, which I meant by Root Lebanon that would
have been in the Middle East where these giants would
have been at I mean right next to right next
to Israel, and I know Lebanon is where the Phoenicians were. Well,
what's interesting is in this connection he found from by
Root Lebanon to America's Stone Hinge. If you zoom in
down in England, it goes directly through Stone Hinge.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I mean they were the Phoenicians, that
was the path they traveled to get from point A
to point B, Like could these some of these micalypic
sites also.
Speaker 3: Be trail markers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trail markers, breadcrumbs being left along the path that
these beings could have traveled. And as I as I
stayed before, I meant they would have had this advanced
knowledge of the cosmos because it was passed on to
them from their fallen angel fathers, fallen angel angelic fathers.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of in Native American history. Whenever you're
talking about Bigfoot creatures sasquatch, which you know are obviously
the giant of choice on this podcast, they say that
they were here before them. They always referenced these giants
as being here before they were here. If it's a
group that you know in their history they traveled here,
they were already here. There's some oral tradition history that
says that the the Bigfoot let them out of a
cave or emerge from the cave whenever they got here,
things of that nature, which also kind of lines up
with what you're saying about them traveling here on their
own potentially and would have been here long long before
we even stepped foot on this land as humans.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I'm not as like and I was telling you
this before we started, I'm not as well first in
the whole Bigfoot realm. I mean, I'm starting to get
a little more into it, but I really do. I
really believe that they tie.
Speaker 3: There's a tremendous amount of overlap, which is what I
wanted to talk about next. Actually, because you've done a
lot of research into mounds and burial sites where they've
unearthed these giant skeletons, and a lot of times in
the Bigfoot world, those mounds and burial sites and the
giant skeletons are tied to the Bigfoot stuff and the
idea that they were living alongside Native Americans and possibly
revered enough by the Native Americans and some of their
social connections to bury them inside mountains and things like that.
Talk a little bit about the research that you found,
especially in your area, whenever it comes to that topic.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So, and my book really centers around So first,
I want to say, my book really centers around a
gentleman named Sterling Price Newberry. He was a missionary, a
Baptist pastor, and he lived in the area in the
nineteen thirties or he was really active in his He
was an amateur archaeologist. He was very active between nineteen
thirty two to like nineteen thirty six and thirty seven.
That's where I found a lot of newspaper articles on
his archaeological finds. I mean, he must have really just
been going at it those four or five years. One
interesting one that he found was in nineteen thirty two
he found this mound, two mounds actually, that were north
of Springfield. There's a site called full Bright Springs, and
full Bright Springs is currently owned by the city. It
is a it's a park, it's a greenway trail. Actually,
they turned a lot of these. They turned that area
into a bike path. The greenway trail that I meant
the greenway trail is probably like five miles long. But
with full Bright Springs. It was settled by the Fulbright family,
who were one of the pioneer families of Springfield. There's
even it's also its stand up now too, and it's
one of the water.
Speaker 2: Reserves for the city of Springfield.
Speaker 1: So at the full Bright area there is this probably
one hundred year building that is the full Bright Pump Station,
and just north of that there's this hill. And what's
interesting is in this article that I found from nineteen
thirty two, Sterling Newberry and his son, Sterling Newberry Junior.
They did some excavations in burial mounds that were found
on this hill, and the two burial mounds were on
the west side of the hill. Newberry said in the
article that he believes that that's because as the sun
was setting, I meant those mounds were aligned up to
go along with the setting sun. Well, so when they
unearthed these two burial mounds there was a more north
one and then the one that was just directly south
of it, and the northern one it was just a
single individual burial. He claims it was some kind of
Indian chieftain. Very interesting characteristic about the skeleton. It doesn't
say anything about the height of any of the skeletons,
but this chieftain skeleton, his skull was painted red. I
don't know the significance of that or why, but that
has to be significant now it's so, I mean that
that intrigued me. And then just south of that Indian
barial mound, you had another burial mound that when they
excavated it, you had seven skeletons that were aligned like
the spokes on a wheel. I do have a friend
named Kent, who I mean, he's going out.
Speaker 2: To a lot of these sites with me. He lives,
I mean, he loves locally.
Speaker 1: And him and I, I mean, we're pretty good friends
and we're both into this stuff. Kent is originally from
the Indiana, Ohio area, and he's actually done a lot
of work with I don't know if you ever heard
of Fritz Zimmerman, who so Cant and Fritz are well acquainted.
And Kent was telling me about a burial site that
they found, burial mound that they had found out in
the Ohio area where you had I think these beams
or these skeletons were buried like the spokes on a wheel,
that they were in a sitting position and they were
all facing each other, and I believe that they were
supposedly some kind of bigfoot creature, which I thought was
pretty interesting because I mean, you had that same spoke
mound burial, that same spoke burial pattern I did find
from the nineteen twenties, there was another spoke mound burial
that was unearthed somewhere in Indiana where there were eight skeletons,
one of them being anywhere from eight to nine feet tall.
So there's something about this spoke pattern, and it seems
like it was greatly revered. I wonder if it's I mean,
it definitely has to do something with solar alignment. I
would I can only imagine it has some kind of
origins in solar.
Speaker 2: Sun worship or something like that. But I just thought
it was.
Speaker 1: Very interesting that you have a burial pattern with an
eight or nine foot skeleton in nineteen twenty found in Indiana,
but that same burial pattern was found here four or
five hundred miles away in Springfield, Missouri.
Speaker 3: And I mean, obviously it's something that more than one
group did, but it wasn't the go to thing for
them to do either, So it has to represent something.
It has to be significant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to find out more details from can
about the burial mound where there was like the supposed
Bigfoot entities that were buried, But like I said, they
were in a seated position and they were all facing
each other, but it was still that same spoke pattern.
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking about what you're talking about, how would
they do that. I know there's no way to know
for sure, but if you've got seven skeletons laid out
in a pattern like that in a circle inside of
a mound. Did they all perish at the same time
where they added one at a time? Was it forethought
that we're going to do it like this and this
is how many will complete the circle?
Speaker 1: So here are my thoughts and this I'm tying this
to another site that Stirling Newberry down two or three
years later. I wonder, could those seven that were buried
a line like spokes on a wheel?
Speaker 2: So this this top dog that had the red skull.
Speaker 1: I almost wonder if he was he might have been
a giant or someone of in size, even though the.
Speaker 2: Article doesn't say that. The speculation right.
Speaker 1: But he was the important one, he was the single
he was, he was on the highest point. Something was
very important about him, some high priest or chief or something.
I wonder, could those seven that were buried like the
spokes on a wheel, could they have actually been servants
that were sacrificed.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean, once again, this is all conjecture, speculation, but
it's very very plausible.
Speaker 3: Because typically I mean, side by side are stacked. It's
typically how it goes, which makes sense because you know
people pass away at different times, and they're buried at
different times, so that's the easiest way to go about it.
You don't want to have to dig up someone and
move them around and position them and all that. So Yeah,
this specific thing leads me to believe that this was
an intentional thing that happened very much. Happened at the
same time the ones that were seated also seems very
significant that they were in that position. I have heard
a story about an archaeological dig that found a couple
very large skeletons in this part of the country. Okay,
that were painted. They had they had painted markings on
them and elaborate headdresses. But one of the most interesting
aspects was they were buried with parrot feathers, and we
don't have parrots, so nobody really had an explanation. And
they were supposedly you know, uh, over seven foot if
I remember correctly, and but buried in a mound and
treated with great reverence and respect whoever they were.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So when I hear things like that parrot feathers, I
mean that just for me, that backs up Graham Hancock's
claim that there was a worldwide trade system, Like there's
there's no way around it. Yeah, I mean, and I
think that these I personal believe that these neffling, these giants,
whatever they were, they were part of that. Heck, they
might have been the ones who started the whole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might have instituted it.
Speaker 2: Exactly instituted. That's a great way to say.
Speaker 3: It, especially if they were setting things up to be worshiped,
you know. Yeah, going on the theory that you're presenting,
would line up with their heritage, you know, bringing the
worship to them instead of God. Yeah, exactly were the
skeletons that you mentioned in your part of the country
where they buried with anything and the items or anything
like that.
Speaker 1: So the Indian chieftain was buried with a stone battle axe,
and actually, I think in the article it says a
stone sacrificial battle axe. I really wonder if, like I said,
I really wonder if those seven that were in the
spoke pattern.
Speaker 2: That they were sacrificed.
Speaker 1: Heck, they might have even been that battle axe might
have been used as a sacrificial tool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might have been.
Speaker 1: And what's also interesting is I mean, so, yeah, I
spent a lot of time with my book looking at
old newspaper archives, but also.
Speaker 2: Looking at old.
Speaker 1: Records in the in our local libry, and I found
from nineteen fourteen, and this would have been the same area.
Speaker 2: There was an em Shepherd. Ian Shepherd was.
Speaker 1: A he was like he was a professor at a
local university, and he was active, you know, late eighteen hundreds,
early nineteen hundreds. I think he passed. He actually passed
in the nineteen thirties, probably around when Newberry was really
getting into the height of his archaeological career. In a
lot in some of the newspaper articles I've seen Newberry
reference Shepherd, So I think im Shepherd was an inspiration
for Newbery in some aspect. And I even think Newberry
probably used some of Shepherd's published work to spur on
some of his archaeological finds. So for instance, being in
nineteen fourteen, this would have been what fifteen or sixteen
years before Newberry found this Spoke Mountain burial. Shepherd Minton's
in a book about the history of Springfield that there
was a cave on the which would have been the
Owen property. Right now that where the Owen property would
have been. It is now called Lost Hill Park. This
park is on the same Greenway trail the full Bright
Greenway trail that goes from full Bright Springs to one
of the local elementary schools. I can't remember the name
of the elementary school, but it's that five mile trail.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Lost Hill Park's only like a mile away from full
Bright Springs where this Spoke Mountain burial was found. There
are several caves in this Lost Hill, like several caves
in this hill that that Lost Hill Park. Of course,
they've all been sealed up.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can't go crawling in there. And I've.
Speaker 1: I've watched I've watched the there's a YouTube video of
a guy who's a local splunker and he's going in
some of these different caves and I mean he records
himself because I'm not going to crawl in them, but
he's he's going crawl in them, and I mean he
records like he can only get a couple of feet
in until it's been completely covered up to where no
one can go in these caves. And I mean it's
it's to protect it's to protect the ecosystem and stuff
like that. But anyway, in one of those, I think
in the Lost Hill there's at least three or four
caves there that are covered up well. In one of
those caves, Ian Shepherd writes that he found bones strength
Actually it says strange bones in this history book that
were broken in half. Some of them were long bones
like the and stuff like that were broken in half
and bone marrow had been extracted. It doesn't allude to
what kind of bones. I wonder if it is human.
And the reason I say that is because this isn't
the first time in my research I've come across long
bones in a cave that have been broken in half
for bone marrow.
Speaker 2: To be extracted.
Speaker 1: Love Lock Cave, like I mentioned earlier with the Red
Haired Giants. When that cave was estimated, they found human
loan bones that had been broken in half, bone marrow extracted,
which points to some kind of cannibalistic activity. So Ian
Shepherd most likely found evidence of cannibalism in that flul
Bright area. And then what two decades later, Sterling Newberry
then finds a spoke mound.
Speaker 3: Burial seems awfully coincidental.
Speaker 1: Yes, it really does, and that's that's that's honestly how
I look at it.
Speaker 2: It seems it seems too coincidental.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you said they were a mile apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So over the years, obviously, giant skeletons being found
in archaeological dig sites and various other methods. It's been
a reoccurring theme throughout history. There's lots of old newspaper
articles about it and mentions of it and history books,
and there's also I've read several instances of archaeololo archaeologists
at the time possibly being involved in hoaxing large skeletons
for the purpose of, you know, money, I would assume, Yeah,
but they wouldn't be hoaxing them if that wasn't like
something big to find, right, there has to be something
for them to like. We have bigfoot hoaxers obviously, and
the reason we have bigfoot hoaxers is because people talk
about seeing bigfoot. So no hoaxing makes sense. Very seldom
do you have a hoax perpetrated on something that doesn't
exist and has never been heard of. So finding these
giant skeletons, hey, I want some of that money. I
want some of the people to back me and what
I'm doing. So I'm going to hoax this giant skeleton.
Find that makes sense. The part that gets me Where
are the bones? Where are the skeletons? Obviously you hear
conspiracy theories about, you know, people from the Smithsonian showed
up and took them and they disappeared or whatever time
and time again. What are your thoughts on that. Do
you think there's some no pun intended giant cover up
going on?
Speaker 1: I mean, I really layan that way, Yes, I do,
because and I'm not going to say that I'm not
saying that every single I'm not saying that every single
skeleton that was found that was stated to be a
giant is authentic. But I'm also not going to say
that every single one was a hoax, right, Because Here's
how I've kind of thought about it.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 1: At least eight hundred to one thousand accounts all across
America of everyday, average, hardworking people farmers who found anywhere
from seven to eleven foot skeletons over the course of
sixty years. In most of these accounts, local people who
were part of universities like very prestigious and respect did
in those days, came to look at these fines.
Speaker 2: So it was significant enough for.
Speaker 1: The academic community come check it out. Then even significant
enough that the Smithsonian came in, looked at it, and
a lot of times Smithsonian took them. So but then
when you look at this Smithsonian like I mean, it
takes a quick Google search. You can type in giant skeletons,
and the first thing that comes up the Smithsonian claims
all these were fake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way. There's no way that many were fake.
Speaker 1: Either you have over a thousand accounts of people who
have repeatedly tried to outsmart the system and they all
went and the Smithsonian declared them all fake. Or you
have people who found something of significance and there's one
institute that holds a lot of power and control that
came in and thought it was significant that they took
the remains, and no one really knows what happened to
him because in a lot of these reports, I mean,
it clearly says in most of these articles that the
Smithsonian took them.
Speaker 2: And it's not even just the newspaper articles.
Speaker 1: So, first off, Newberry, Sterling Newberry, he also found this
was a few years later after he found this Spoke
Mountain burial. He found another cave in another site east
of Springfield, also James River, that had supposedly as textile
pottery in this cave. Well, one was those three bowls
that were very significant that are explained pretty well in
this in this article, and it's one was a snake body.
There was a bowl that the rim was a snake body,
and it morphed into a panther head, which I mean
that sounds very aspect sound. Then the next bowl had
five points at the base, so when you turn it
over it made a star shape. Then the last one
was a bowl with an owl head. What's interesting is
that article says that they went to the Smithsonian in
nineteen forty. In my research of going to the library,
I found a book called The History of Springfield by
Miriam L. Brown, and this was written in nineteen forty.
Speaker 2: Miriam L.
Speaker 1: Brown was a educator and teacher of the Springfield Public
School system.
Speaker 2: She wrote in this.
Speaker 1: Book that a couple of years she's talking about the
mound builders in one of the chapters, and she says,
a couple of years ago, some very interesting pieces of
pottery were found by some local gentlemen. And this pottery
was unlike anything that has ever been seen before.
Speaker 2: In this part of the country, so much that.
Speaker 1: A museum from Washington, DC came in and.
Speaker 2: Said the pottery was.
Speaker 1: Very significant and unlike anything they've ever seen, and pretty
much it states that this museum in Washington, DC took
the pottery. So I have another record that's not just
a newspaper article saying that one of the Newberry's finds
did go to the Smithsonian and this pottery was at
the time would have been so out there and so
out of place, uncharacteristic of what's been found before that
they decided to put it in the Springfield public school
system in one of the curriculum books. I mean, that's
pretty significant. That speaks volumes to me that that's not
just some kind of hoax.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, the information in those books has to
be vetted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean exactly, this is something they were teaching
this kids in the school system to this like that
of that day. And also I found multiple newspaper articles,
you know, Sterling Newberry brings fifty teachers to sites of
archaeological significance. I found at least two articles where one
he took forty teachers to some of the sites that
he went to, and then another one he took fifty teachers.
So he was greatly involved in the Springfield Public school system.
So really to claim that these things are hogwash or
a hoax, then you woul almost say that the whole
school system was a part of it, which I don't
see that.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, why why cover it up?
Speaker 1: This is just this is just my my belief, I
think because a it kind of goes against no one
likes to change a story and admit they were wrong.
And this could greatly I mean, if there was an
advanced civilization, an advanced culture of giant entities, giant beans,
I mean, they would really rewrite history and you'd get
to change it all up. So he I feel like
there's a Hubris thing in it. But also, and this
is just me being a man of faith, I wonder
because it backs up the Bibles.
Speaker 3: The next part of that would be obviously the only
way for this cover up to work. They can't still
be around, So what happened to them? Where did this
the race of giants go to begin? How did they
all die off?
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty interesting story. So my friend, I
have a friend, Brent Hyde. I'm actually part of his
archaeological team, and I mean, if you want to check
out his stuff, he's on Brent Heyde Outdoors. He's done
a lot of research into more so than I have,
of this stuff. And he had said that actually with
some of these Native American hold on Native American stories,
that there is some war, that there was a sickness
or an illness or a disease that kind of went
through and wiped out some of these giants almost and
that it only affect it really only affected these giant
nephelin beans, kind of like sickle cell disease, you would say,
where sickle cell only affects, you know, African Americans. Was
there maybe some kind of disease that went widespread that
wiped them out?
Speaker 2: Or could it have also also could have.
Speaker 1: Been like you have the legend of the Pyote Indians,
you know, chasing these red hair giants into the caves
and burned them alive. Did man get tired of being
oppressed and they started to fight back and eventually won?
Or could there still be some out there? Could some
of them be Bigfoot and could they just like could
they there still be some out there? But they're just
more scarce and they only come out at certain times
and only certain people see them.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's up for speculation, but that's kind of what I.
Speaker 3: What I wonder Building off of that speculation, let's just
say that there was an uprising that whatever was going
on the short humans decided, Hey, we're sick of it.
We're going to get rid of these things. Maybe there
was a disease that came through and decimated the population,
which gave the people the opportunity to stand up to
them numbers wise or whatever, and they did try to
eradicate them and overthrow them. That would kind of make
sense as to why Bigfoot behaves the way it does,
why it lives in the areas it lives in, why
it stays hidden, why they seem to be very selective
whenever they do have direct contact with humans. It's definitely
built on respect and trust. Based on the stories I've heard,
What are your thoughts, I know, you know Bigfoot's not
your thing, but what are your thoughts about Bigfoot being
connected to all of this?
Speaker 1: I really I think that there is a high chance
believe that they are some kind of modern day Nephilm.
I really do. I believe a part of it. They
are spiritual, but they're also physical. And then I know,
I wonder if they're I mean, I'm even open to
the fact that could they be interdimensional?
Speaker 2: Could they have used portals? Like I mean, could some
of these?
Speaker 1: Could some of these ancient The reason these ancient ruins
in these sites were so important is because they were
portals to another dimension and they knew how.
Speaker 2: To go through them. I mean, I mean, I've actually.
Speaker 1: Even heard some speculate that could they have survived the
flood because some of them could have went to another
dimension that I don't know, it's possibility. I really wonder
if they are of some kind of modern day Nephilm.
And I recently heard something else. I don't know if
you ever heard about the Candlehart Giant. I haven't really
studied so the candor Heart Giant. I literally heard just
like actually the podcast I was telling you about that
I was on a few days ago, the guy mentioned this.
Because I had never really studied much on the Candleheart Giant.
A lot of my energy and focus has been finding
stuff around here in Missouri. And I know you can
look at this stuff worldwide, but I just feel like
my focus is I want to find local stuff.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so.
Speaker 1: I found out what the Candleheart giant. Apparently the locals
would bring offerings up to it and like leave offerings
at the foot of the cave the mass of the cave,
and I'm like, that sounds a lot like.
Speaker 2: These. I mean, I know a lot of.
Speaker 1: I've heard in some of these big Foot stories that
people going and leaving it gifts. I mean, it sounds
like the acts of reverence are very similar in that aspect.
Speaker 3: In a lot of native cultures, there are situations where
they would take food, a portion of their crops and
go and leave it at the tree line for the
Bigfoot so they wouldn't come in and take everything. There's
even I've heard stories of people planting a separate garden
for the Bigfoot to come and take things from instead
of raiding their garden. And I agree the gifting stuff
and those stories reminds me a lot of tribute and
reverence and things like that. That's where it all gets
kind of icky for me. There's definitely, you know, two
schools of thought whenever it comes to Bigfoot. You've got
the flesh and blood people that believe this is an
I'm discovered primate. A lot of that's based on behavior
similarities and evidence findings and tracks and things like that.
But then something that has grown tremendously over the past
ten years is the paranormal side of things, where people
talk about the mind speak and the portals and the
things like that, the cloaking. I mean, some of that
could potentially be you know, angelic knowledge possibly passed down,
you know, if you're following the Knupflin line of thought,
that they know how to do things that we don't,
which kind of makes sense. A lot of it is
very supernatural, and whenever you talk about angels in the Bible,
they were definitely supernatural. What we would consider paranormal.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Something else that I actually recently thought about with a
possible connection, you know. I mean, I've always seen, you're
always seen the the imprint of a big foot. And
what's interesting is with a lot of these giants sometimes
they have polydactyle, you know, six toes, six fingers, And
actually in the Bible it does mention. I think it's
in first of Second Samuel, but and I believe it
was maybe even one of goliath.
Speaker 2: Brothers had six digits.
Speaker 1: So I wondered if people have ever found any polydactyle
in any big foot prints, and I've actually heard that
there there has been. There's been some with six digits,
there's been somewhat four even down the three.
Speaker 3: I have personally seen tracks that were human shaped, but
the fore foot looked like it only had three toes.
Down in Texas, it was very common for people to
find tracks in the Southern States with four toes, whereas
Pacific Northwest and kind of the northern States typically find
five toad Now, there was a sighting that got nationwide
attention in the early two thousands, a gentleman by the
name of Tim Peeler who went viral because one he
had a bigfoot sighting. But he was a very interesting character,
what I would consider a hillbilly. Okay, he lived off
by himself and everything. And his story was he saw this,
you know, this bigfoot, this giant hair covered creature at
the edge of his property, and he ran it off,
told it to get But during the news interview with him,
he said that it had beautiful hair and looked like
it had six fingers on each hand. Really, no, I
don't know a lot of people who have gotten a
good look at Bigfoot's hands, so I don't know what
the actual statistics would be on the number of times
that people have seen six fingers as opposed to five.
But Tim Peeler's testimony he said he saw six fingers,
So that kind of also supports what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, and I think the polydactyle
or the extra digits or lack of digits, I mean,
I just feel like that's most probably most likely in
ish a mess up in the genetic makeup, you know,
since these things aren't I mean, it's messing with bloodlines,
it's messing with DNA, it's not supposed to be angelic
with human. It's supposed to be human with human, you know.
So is that some kind of error in the genetic
makeup is what I wonder.
Speaker 2: But that is when I.
Speaker 1: Heard that there have been occasions of extra digits and
sometimes less digits, It's made me kind of wonder could
that be another tie to connect Nestlin to dig.
Speaker 3: Flots Whenever you were doing research for your book or
just research in general. I mean, you're talking about ancient
burial sites and mounds and you know, lots of historic things.
How do you go about researching it? What resources do
you use to find these things? I mean obviously the
Internet would be on there, yeah, but I'm imagine it
goes beyond the Google search.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean really a lot of a lot of newspaper.
Speaker 1: Archives, a lot of old.
Speaker 2: Like county historical books, like from one hundred years.
Speaker 1: Ago, stuff like that, because a lot of those they have,
I mean, they kind of talked about prehistoric, like the
supposed prehistoric stuff, and I feel like back then a
lot of it wasn't a censor. Yeah, I use a
lot of that. And then I have several several friends
that I've become well acquainted with who I mean, they've
just been studying this stuff for years, even almost decades,
So I kind of run ideas by them and kind
of soak up there and put it all together.
Speaker 3: Honestly, are there a lot of Christians pursuing this mystery?
Speaker 1: It seems like there is more of an openness to
it than there used to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, definitely from ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, five years ago, I would have
thought me now was cuckoo. I mean I really never
thought I'd look like I really would. I was like,
I would have thought that there's no way now that
stuff's real. But I was also probably just quick to
write stuff off because I had never heard about it before. Yeah,
and I think I think that's what a lot of
it is.
Speaker 2: Well, I never heard about this, therefore it can't be real.
Speaker 3: So where are you going in the future with this?
Speaker 1: So i'd like to I mean, I am kind of
working on a second book, and that's where with my research,
I'm talking about old county records and stuff like that.
I'm looking at old county records of other places around
Missouri where giant skeletons have been found to see if
there's anything that alludes to anything related to Native American
low or giants, are just similar characteristics related to the giants.
So like, for instance, actually the other day I was
I was looking into Paul Bunyan. I had never really
researched Paul Bunyans because Paul Bullion is very interesting, because
I mean, it's I mean, I don't believe that there
really was a one hundred and eighty nine foot tall
man that you know, carved out the great legs and all,
but I.
Speaker 2: Do believe it's some of that based off of.
Speaker 1: Older facts, you know, Like I think I've kind of
come to believe that a lot of these miss and lures.
I mean they had to originate from somewhere and they
had to be an inspiration for them. So something, something
real had to inspire the mythology. So I just kind
of wondered, like, what about Paul Bunyan was interesting? Well,
I started to look into it, and one and I'm
not saying that this guy is a nephilim or anything
like that, but one thing that was interesting is I
found out that there is this guy who Paul Bunyan
was most likely based off of. And I mean this
guy was only six' ford and he WAS i think
he was Like French canadian. Descent he was from the eighteen.
Forties they said he was.
Speaker 2: A.
Speaker 1: BRAWLER i meant like he would get in fights with.
Everybody AND i can't remember his name off.
Speaker 2: The top of my. Head i'd have to look it.
Speaker 1: Up but one interesting characteristic that they said he had
is that he had double rows of. Teeth and the
thing that thought was interesting about, THAT i mean that
could have just been a genetic anomaly or but with
a lot of these, skeletons some of the articles allude
to them, being you, know having six. Days another one
is them having double rows of, teeth.
Speaker 3: Right love lock giants.
Speaker 2: Especially, YEAH i just thought it was.
Speaker 1: Interesting cal this lumberjack from the akings, forties Who Paul
bunyan might be based off, of supposed they had double
rows of. Teeth they just little little things like that
that kind of pop. Out is like like if you
don't know the story and the characteristics of, giants like
you would just overlook. It but then you see that
and it's like that's, like at what point dorough some
things or at what point this coincidence really no longer?
Speaker 3: Coincidental AND i mean maybe he was the great, great
great great great grandson of one of. These, ever you
know what happens whenever it starts diluting down over the, Generations.
Speaker 1: Yeah BECAUSE i MEAN i do, BELIEVE i MEAN i
do believe that. THINGS i, mean there are probably some
characteristics that are passed on to like as the bloodline
gets more and more and more, diluted someone may have
a characteristic that. Happened BECAUSE i, mean there's still people
that are born with. Paulodactylee i'm not saying that they
are of that offspring or they're, not you, Know i'm
not saying that They're, Nephlin but, like could some of
these genes?
Speaker 2: Spread you?
Speaker 1: Know BUT i just thought it WAS i just thought
that was a very interesting characteristic in the story of
this guy who Supposedly Paul bunyan is based off, of
And Paul dunyan was lore of a giant In North.
Speaker 3: America so where can people find your Book genesis six
and the if they want to check it?
Speaker 2: Out genesis sixth and The ozarks is exclusively On. Amazon and.
Speaker 1: All you do is you just go into you just
go To, amazon you type In genesis six and The
ozarks and it's the only one that comes.
Speaker 3: Up and then if somebody wants to get in contact
with you, directly how would they go about doing.
Speaker 1: That i'm gonna have A, Facebook, Nicholas John dagel or
my email is In dagel D A I G L
e at gmail dot.
Speaker 3: Com all, Right, nicholas thanks for coming on the show
and talking giants with. Me i've enjoyed, it man learned a.
Lot hopefully people understand. It hopefully people get the connection
and see the overlaps and the similarities a lot of
that stuff THAT i asked you about how you go
about RESEARCHING i Think you've done an excellent job doing
research and including a lot of you, know visuals to
go along with your. RESEARCH i think a lot of
that can benefit the bigfoot community as. Well those same
resources are available and a lot of that information is
out there if you are willing to dig and look for.
It so, yeah, man thanks for coming.
Speaker 2: On, hey thanks for having me, On. Matt.
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