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Speaker 1: In the Mental Mysteries, you'll find Welcome to Mada Mysteries,
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Speaker 3: My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean, and tonight is Wonder Wizday
Speaker 3: Baby for the live show. If this is your first
Speaker 3: time ever tuning into a Meta Mysteries episode, you tuned
Speaker 3: in at the right time, because tonight we got Lord
Speaker 3: Byron Jester. What to do, sir?
Speaker 4: That's going good man? How you guys doing solid.
Speaker 5: Doing good man? You're one of our favorite guests, man,
Speaker 5: So it's always it's always a good time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I c't I caught the last Wonder Wednesday do.
Speaker 4: I thought all you guys crushed it?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 5: Oh awesome, Man. That means a lot coming from you, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys are crushing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude. You know, we're just diving into a bunch
Speaker 3: of different things and really looking into the the deeper,
Speaker 3: more esoteric level of understanding and gotta be honest, like
Speaker 3: just uh, with having you on and a couple of
Speaker 3: a couple other of our guests that we've had on,
Speaker 3: it's just been like it's like the praying Mantis going
Speaker 3: in there with astral surgery, just tweaking shit within our
Speaker 3: mind and everything, because I swear the influence is crazy.
Speaker 3: Like I'm just like, I feel like, you know, this
Speaker 3: is this all was meant to happen. You ever feel
Speaker 3: like that, Like it's all just it was made to happen.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm just super stoked that we were
Speaker 3: able to you know, kind of be friends with you
Speaker 3: and have you on the show all the times and
Speaker 3: learn from you. And as a matter of fact, I
Speaker 3: just bought some oregano oil too, so nice. I remember
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the best medicine you could ever have, reganal
Speaker 4: oil or n em oil. We're both.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So yeah, dude, we're really excited about this.
Speaker 3: We uh, we have been covering really quite a bit lately,
Speaker 3: and so I reached out to you and I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's been a little while, why don't you come back
Speaker 3: on to Meta Mysteries, especially for the live show, because
Speaker 3: we know that a lot of the one love hearing
Speaker 3: you talk and because you're a pretty eccentric kind of guy,
Speaker 3: and uh love that energy and all of the wild
Speaker 3: shit that you get into and the guests that you
Speaker 3: provided over here with JS, Garrett and l the outcome
Speaker 3: is fucking studs.
Speaker 5: You know people. Bet we probably wouldn't have had the
Speaker 5: opportunity to speak with otherwise, you know. And so you
Speaker 5: speak on you know, uh, you know, getting with Buyer
Speaker 5: and it's like those little steps and you get different levels,
Speaker 5: you know, and then the teacher, you know, arrives and
Speaker 5: so man, it's just been a hell of a journey.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: You've definitely been a part of that.
Speaker 4: Well thanks man, you guys have been a part of
Speaker 4: my journey too. Man, you got you guys kind of
Speaker 4: got the whole ball going with doing interviews and.
Speaker 3: You know, so yeah, well, hey, whatever we can do
Speaker 3: to provide the outlet to be able to have these
Speaker 3: conversations and to be able to let a lot of
Speaker 3: this stuff, you know, out into the world, because if
Speaker 3: you really think about it, a lot of this stuff
Speaker 3: was you know, this was mystery school shit and you
Speaker 3: had to be initiated and then you know, maybe you
Speaker 3: had to cut off the tip of your dick in
Speaker 3: order to get into it. They got weird with initiation
Speaker 3: back in the day. And quickly, Yeah, we're not asking
Speaker 3: for anybody's blood, you know, unless you want to, you know,
Speaker 3: do some kind of spell with your own blood, then
Speaker 3: that's up to you.
Speaker 5: We're not telling nobody what to do, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: but uh but yeah, you were. You were messaging me
Speaker 3: or we were texting the other day and you said
Speaker 3: that you set up your own church.
Speaker 4: Yeah. May Apotheosis is officially a tax exempt religious nonprofits.
Speaker 5: That's a gangster move, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It took a little trial
Speaker 4: and error because uh, you know, uh so so at
Speaker 4: first I was just going to do it for here
Speaker 4: in Utah. But we're not even sure if we're gonna
Speaker 4: stay here. We're thinking about uh moving, and and we're
Speaker 4: kind of thinking like Kentucky area, but we're not exactly
Speaker 4: sure where we want to go. Maybe maybe Idaho, maybe
Speaker 4: why I don't know, uh.
Speaker 3: Go to Louisiana.
Speaker 4: But someone was trying to tell me to go to Missouri.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Apparently all the cool kids are in Missouri right now,
Speaker 4: I don't know. But anyway, uh So I started thinking,
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, like I probably don't even
Speaker 4: need like an actual physical address. I can probably use
Speaker 4: like a digital address. So then I started looking at
Speaker 4: like which states are the best to file in? And uh,
Speaker 4: number one, of course is Delaware. Everyone knows, you know,
Speaker 4: you want to file your articles of incorporation in Delaware.
Speaker 4: Number two was Virginia. And that's where I'm from and
Speaker 4: that's where all my family is. So I was able
Speaker 4: to set up a registered agent for Virginia pretty easily.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh so yeah, so I'm basically an online
Speaker 4: church right now at the moment.
Speaker 3: So that's awesome, dude. So I mean, what is what
Speaker 3: does that actually mean?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 3: I mean I know that you know you. Is it
Speaker 3: basically like a five O one C three kind of thing?
Speaker 4: No? Not a five oh one C three. That's what
Speaker 4: I think of the five O one C three. All right, No,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a five oh eight C one A church,
Speaker 4: you know. So you know, with the five oh one
Speaker 4: C three you later on have to apply for and
Speaker 4: go through all these steps for your tax exempt status.
Speaker 4: But with the five O eight U C one A
Speaker 4: and they do not make this easy to find out
Speaker 4: or read about or anything. Uh, you're automatically tax exempt.
Speaker 4: But you know, so I was even on what is
Speaker 4: it the state? Uh, basically the Treasury for Virginia, right,
Speaker 4: and uh going on their website to file my articles
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, yeah, they don't have anything about the
Speaker 4: five O eight in there, and so I had so
Speaker 4: I had to basically produce my own documents, which I
Speaker 4: was expecting anyway. Uh, but but they want you to
Speaker 4: at least use the first articles for their template and
Speaker 4: then add your articles after that. So I had so
Speaker 4: I had to redo mine a couple of times, but
Speaker 4: I got it. And now I'm yeah, now.
Speaker 3: My church, are you like a pastor or a priest
Speaker 3: or what is your title?
Speaker 4: Okay? So, so so I have, uh, you know, the
Speaker 4: articles filed, and then I have my bylaws and my
Speaker 4: statement of faith and everything. I'm I'm still kind of
Speaker 4: debating on how what kind of terminology I'm gonna use, uh,
Speaker 4: because you know a lot of people, like especially like
Speaker 4: in the occult spare, we'll use like high priest for
Speaker 4: the person who's in charge, and then priests for everyone
Speaker 4: right under them. Uh, you know, and that's a pretty
Speaker 4: easy system. But then you also have you know, like
Speaker 4: minister Pastor and all that stuff. Here in Utah, the
Speaker 4: LDS have a profit and then twelve apostles. So so
Speaker 4: I almost had that'd be kind of cool since I'm
Speaker 4: here in Utah to do a profit and apostles. So
Speaker 4: I don't know. I also thought about kind of using
Speaker 4: the terroorts like magician or magus and heterofont and all that.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, uh how I'm gonna how I'm
Speaker 4: gonna structure the hierarchy yet, dude. So I'm gonna hash
Speaker 4: that out properly here pretty soon. I kind of like profit,
Speaker 4: you know. You know.
Speaker 5: No, that's so when you when you filed all this
Speaker 5: stuff and you were trying to get it going, was
Speaker 5: there questions like, well, okay, well what is your primary
Speaker 5: believe or did it go into any detail like that
Speaker 5: or just kind of.
Speaker 4: And that was the problem the first time I tried
Speaker 4: to file, was I was adding all this stuff in there,
Speaker 4: you know, and uh so so like like after the
Speaker 4: second try, I I just went bare bones and just
Speaker 4: did the basic for the articles, just what they need
Speaker 4: to know legally. And I and so I really had
Speaker 4: to specify it because they don't have like a tax
Speaker 4: code on the template and they don't give you this option.
Speaker 4: So I had to write in an extra article uh
Speaker 4: that was specifically like this is a five eight C
Speaker 4: one A and not a five oh one C three.
Speaker 4: So but but it worked.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 4: So so you know, there there's a there's a few
Speaker 4: cool Well. Number one is that I have to do it,
Speaker 4: you know, can good faith and actually start structuring it
Speaker 4: as a church. And so, uh so i'll probably hear
Speaker 4: pretty soon start doing some live streams as a congregation
Speaker 4: at first, and maybe even like a Patreon kind of
Speaker 4: like you guys are doing with this you know livestream
Speaker 4: that we're doing right now something like that. But but
Speaker 4: but but there's a few cool things like for one,
Speaker 4: you know, since uh I'm going to be doing like
Speaker 4: ritual for hire and stuff like that, I'm going to
Speaker 4: uh you know, that's one of those things that I
Speaker 4: could like write a a deductible receipt for because all
Speaker 4: I'm really doing is like praying for the person, just
Speaker 4: giving them a church blessing. You know, I just have
Speaker 4: a better way of doing that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Well and then there's you know, the tive
Speaker 3: dollars and everything. That's I mean, you just called donations
Speaker 3: and Patreon support time money at that time.
Speaker 4: So you know. Another cool thing, it's like if someone
Speaker 4: donates like a like a laptop to me or like
Speaker 4: a microphone or something, I can give them a receipt
Speaker 4: and when it when someone donates like an item to
Speaker 4: a nonprofit, you you leave the value blank and they
Speaker 4: can put in their own value for that item. So
Speaker 4: that's how that works.
Speaker 3: So I got an extra mic dude, let me know.
Speaker 4: Totally.
Speaker 3: So it's actually worth about three grand.
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding at least put four you know whatnot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and same with like services and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. You know. Uh yeah, so you know it's
Speaker 4: it's it's pretty cool. It's pretty rad.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, So is it have you thought about like
Speaker 3: maybe some of the terminology as far as like is
Speaker 3: it going to be called a church or a temple
Speaker 3: or a cave or whatever? You know, like, have you
Speaker 3: thought about that even even if it is just online?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did put church in the name. I put
Speaker 4: it all in lowercase. It's just my apotheosis church. And
Speaker 4: uh uh so when I'm when I'm talking online and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think I'm just gonna have it be just like
Speaker 4: my apotheosis, and then you know, church will be for
Speaker 4: like legal matters just at that Lectra bid in, but
Speaker 4: for uh you know, because uh, but I put church
Speaker 4: in the name just to make it easier to go
Speaker 4: through and to get less pushback and to not like
Speaker 4: send off any red flags, you know, because you know
Speaker 4: with the five oh ay, there was a lot of
Speaker 4: misinformation going around about five years ago, four years ago
Speaker 4: during the Rona and uh, you know, like people were
Speaker 4: basically trying to run like businesses as churches, you know,
Speaker 4: and so there was some misinformation going around back then
Speaker 4: about that. So I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Avoid all that, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But it makes sense to me because you know, like
Speaker 4: everything I talk about is spiritual in nature. One of
Speaker 4: my core beliefs is like magic and astrology, proofs creation,
Speaker 4: you know, so everything everything I talk about, everything I sell,
Speaker 4: every service I offer, is all spiritual in nature. So
Speaker 4: so so it makes sense to me.
Speaker 3: Was what was your your statement, because you said that
Speaker 3: there had to be some kind of statement whenever you
Speaker 3: started this church.
Speaker 4: Yeah, statement of fifth. I think I'm actually going to
Speaker 4: retype it actually retype it out. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 4: some stuff I did. I made sure to include like
Speaker 4: talisman's magic and radionics as part of an astrology, practical
Speaker 4: spiritual modalities and stuff like that. I may I made
Speaker 4: sure to include all.
Speaker 5: That dy times or at least one.
Speaker 4: So I think it's called the ins in a CC church.
Speaker 4: I think it's based out of South Dakota. It's a
Speaker 4: Native American church, and they used to not allow outsiders
Speaker 4: to be a member of it, but or people that
Speaker 4: aren't Indian or Indigenous. But now you can pay money
Speaker 4: and be a part of their church if you're like
Speaker 4: white or whatever, or black or whatever. But if you're
Speaker 4: a member of this inn acc church, you can legally
Speaker 4: carry psychedelics on you and cannabis. I think I think
Speaker 4: it's up to two ounces of cannabis, like basically nationwide.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm sure there's I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 4: there's like one or two states or a couple of
Speaker 4: states that are going to give you some pushback on it.
Speaker 4: But I definitely wouldn't mind figuring that out.
Speaker 3: You know, have you thought about a maybe a hat
Speaker 3: of sorts, maybe apotheosis Yamaka type thing.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, a Jester cap totally. Uh yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: so a lot of that I'm going to work out.
Speaker 4: But I'm also uh so this is just the beginning.
Speaker 4: Later on, especially uh like when I have a forum
Speaker 4: and all of that, I'm gonna set up a private
Speaker 4: membership association too. And so my goal with a private
Speaker 4: membership association is, you know, people would be able to
Speaker 4: post like PDFs for books and videos and stuff and
Speaker 4: avoid copyright restrictions because it's a private library. It's not
Speaker 4: open to the public, you know, stuff.
Speaker 3: Like that Nakashak record type deal over there, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then after that I'm one, I'm gonna start
Speaker 4: hashing out uh, irrevocable trusts or an offshore trust, you know,
Speaker 4: stuff like that, irrevocable trusts. So so at some point I'm
Speaker 4: probably going to put everything into a trust with the
Speaker 4: Private Membership Association and the church, and I'll just be
Speaker 4: the trustee of the trust. So but but trust they
Speaker 4: require a lot more research. You got to do it right,
Speaker 4: you know, if you want. But once you put everything
Speaker 4: into a trust with the church and the p and A,
Speaker 4: you're going to be pretty as long as long as
Speaker 4: you're acting in good faith, you're going to be pretty
Speaker 4: much untouchable legally.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really did your research on this, then just
Speaker 3: have curiosity if you don't mind me asking, You don't
Speaker 3: have to answer it. But how much did it run
Speaker 3: you to start this whole thing?
Speaker 4: Oh, the church? Yeah, it's like seventy five bucks to file.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends, you know, it depends if you can
Speaker 4: draft your documents yourself, or or if you trust yourself
Speaker 4: enough to do it and not need a lawyer to
Speaker 4: look at the documents. You know, Like I said, it
Speaker 4: took me three tries because I got these little like
Speaker 4: like one of the details I had to get right
Speaker 4: was you have to have the spacing correct on the document.
Speaker 4: You know. So so if you draft your own documents,
Speaker 4: it has to be like one in the half inches
Speaker 4: on the top, like one in a quarter inches on
Speaker 4: the side, one the quarter inch on the bottom. Has
Speaker 4: to everything has to be like spaced out a certain way,
Speaker 4: and like I said, all of the articles have to
Speaker 4: be in the exact same order that they want them.
Speaker 3: And you know, so that sounds about right. Yeah, government
Speaker 3: is real particular about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but when I got it. Man, I got it,
Speaker 4: and I'm stoked. So and as soon as you get it, right,
Speaker 4: you know, they send you a document that's like signed
Speaker 4: by the treasurer or whatever or the commissioner and uh
Speaker 4: and it says that, uh, like you know, like everything
Speaker 4: that you sent them is within the confines of the law.
Speaker 4: So you did get like validation and also got my
Speaker 4: E I N number from the I R S. And
Speaker 4: I'm gonna set up a bank and then yeah.
Speaker 5: I am. I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is legitis.
Speaker 5: Fun.
Speaker 3: I just want to know what do I gotta do,
Speaker 3: what if me and Sean got to do to become
Speaker 3: your apostles? Sir, Yeah, you're not worthy.
Speaker 5: First of all. Off, don't ever ask that again.
Speaker 3: All right, that's gold too. I was just you know,
Speaker 3: I felt like we were on that same level.
Speaker 5: But that's okay, we're not not even close.
Speaker 4: Did you see the comment in the chat that just
Speaker 4: bought up. It was like, well, ship, y'all, let's make
Speaker 4: meta mysteries a church and the cult a real cult.
Speaker 3: Yeah shout out, no, no, no, no, that's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Me and Jacob I've actually talked about that, like in
Speaker 3: the past, about forming like a cult of conspiracy type
Speaker 3: church and it would basically just be like a m
Speaker 3: M a church of sorts where he would just like.
Speaker 4: So you could you could legitimately do that because I
Speaker 4: mean the term marshal and martial arts refers to the
Speaker 4: planet Mars, the god of war, so you could do
Speaker 4: it as like a like a Marsian veneration.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Well, so you absolutely could do that, especially especially if
Speaker 4: you have like a shrine maybe with like aries got
Speaker 4: a war and you bow to them as you walk in,
Speaker 4: you know, something simple like that.
Speaker 3: That would be sick. I'm more of a lover, so
Speaker 3: maybe a little Venusian, you know, yeah, excited to go to.
Speaker 4: So you know, like I said, there are a lot
Speaker 4: of people trying to run businesses as five O eights
Speaker 4: and they and they started getting in. At first they
Speaker 4: were getting away with it, but then once a lot
Speaker 4: of people started doing it, they started cracking down on it.
Speaker 4: But with like a bar, I think you could pull
Speaker 4: it off just because uh, you know, you look at
Speaker 4: uh the planet the god of drinking, Dionysus, no Venus, Bacchus, Venus,
Speaker 4: you know, Aphrodite Venus. You know you I think if
Speaker 4: you were sincere in it, you could pull it off,
Speaker 4: you know, but there were people that weren't being sincere
Speaker 4: in it. They just thought they were just trying to
Speaker 4: be above the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wonder how they go about that as far as,
Speaker 5: you know, like to get into like moral the moral
Speaker 5: aspect of it. You know, there's colds all the time,
Speaker 5: and and it didn't seem like they can really do
Speaker 5: anything to stop them from you know, you hear all
Speaker 5: those stories where you know, they go and they drink
Speaker 5: the kool aid and it was like was seemingly nothing
Speaker 5: they could.
Speaker 3: Really do about it, and everybody's having sex.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and how do they determine like the moral of
Speaker 5: that as far as what's good and what's not, you know,
Speaker 5: without getting kind of opinionated?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, but you know, some of
Speaker 4: those colds, like you know, the Jonestown that you mentioned,
Speaker 4: were we're kind of like operations or like expansions of
Speaker 4: the MK ultra because like all of those mind control
Speaker 4: experiments that the Naval Intelligence and CIA and stuff we're doing. Uh,
Speaker 4: they they left the big paper trail, you know, so
Speaker 4: when they started putting him into like churches and colts
Speaker 4: and stuff. Then they're able to kind of have like
Speaker 4: a tax exempt thing going, and then they were able
Speaker 4: to kind of create their own funding, uh for these
Speaker 4: experiments without leaving that paper trail going straight back to
Speaker 4: Uncle Sam. So a lot of those cults were straight
Speaker 4: up like intelligence, you know.
Speaker 3: And most of them are. Yeah, that's what That's what
Speaker 3: I've learned is that most of the time shit gets
Speaker 3: like way too extreme and way too out of hand.
Speaker 3: There's there's fed hands in there.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean if you look at Jim Jones especially,
Speaker 4: he looks like a CIA operative, Like he literally like
Speaker 4: Stan Smith on American Dad. You know, like if you
Speaker 4: put Stan Smith in aviators, you got Jim Jones for sure.
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, it's uh, it's it's a wild thing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's whenever I saw that you texted that, I was like,
Speaker 3: of course you would. Of course you're gonna oh yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know what's even funnier about it, Uh, I
Speaker 4: called on Joseph Smith and the Angel Moroni to help
Speaker 4: me with it.
Speaker 3: So and it worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I much love to those guys.
Speaker 3: Shout out to find a couple of plates somewhere.
Speaker 4: Then, dude, yeah, because you know, because that's something that
Speaker 4: were part of the story that really stuck with me.
Speaker 4: The first time I heard it in like third grade,
Speaker 4: was you know, he was asking guy like, hey, there's
Speaker 4: all these other religions, which one has it right? And
Speaker 4: God's like none of them have it right. You have
Speaker 4: to start your own church. And I was like, jackpot
Speaker 4: so ever since I was like eight or nine years old,
Speaker 4: I was like, how do I do that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great, that's so much fun.
Speaker 3: Dude, just get over the chat. Taylor said, how goes it?
Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday? All, Thank you guys so much for joining
Speaker 3: us tonight. This is this is one of the bigger
Speaker 3: groups we've had in a little while. So it's awesome.
Speaker 3: And I think that they're just here for Byron. He's
Speaker 3: the man.
Speaker 5: Really, I mean, who doesn't want to.
Speaker 3: Listen to Byron. It's been a little minute too. This
Speaker 3: is like I feel like it's been like one of
Speaker 3: the longer times we gone without talking to you.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's almost embarrassing.
Speaker 4: I think it's only been like I think it's only
Speaker 4: been like three months.
Speaker 5: Yeah, too long.
Speaker 4: Long.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean there for a little while we were doing
Speaker 3: like once a month.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, something like that six weeks or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, going a quarter of a fucking year without talking
Speaker 3: to you, dude, the fuck is that all about?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 3: Super Markey said, sorry, I'm late, guys, just got home,
Speaker 3: had to shower. What up, Supermarkey? Good to see you, Bud.
Speaker 3: And then of course, yeah, Norah bringing up the meta
Speaker 3: mysteries church and cult of conspiracy, real cult, you know that. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm actually kind of jealous. It does sound like a
Speaker 3: lot of fun, because.
Speaker 4: Dude, I think you and Jacob should get special like
Speaker 4: uh like macho man Randy Savage style custom sunglasses me.
Speaker 4: Like one that says cult, the other one says conspiracy
Speaker 4: across the lenses. Yeah, yeah, you know, or maybe even
Speaker 4: just cult the conspiracies on on one, you know, just
Speaker 4: across it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to get a slim Gym sponsorship.
Speaker 4: Oh I know, man, some of those old sense Slim
Speaker 4: jimmercials are so good. I remember the one. It was
Speaker 4: like the snowboarders and they're like, wrestling is not an
Speaker 4: extreme sport, and all of a sudden an extreme sport.
Speaker 4: He's like, you see like all these like snowboarding terms
Speaker 4: and like dropping elbows on.
Speaker 5: Dude, he's like shaking the.
Speaker 4: Board upside down. Well they're still feet are still hanging
Speaker 4: upside down in it. You know, like.
Speaker 5: Those commercials were so ridiculous back in the day when
Speaker 5: we were growing up. I feel like they they had
Speaker 5: just really figured it out, you know, they really figured
Speaker 5: out how to get into our mind. Because some of
Speaker 5: those commercials I can still see today. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 5: I mean it was like, I don't know, it was
Speaker 5: like the peak of understanding how to really get into
Speaker 5: the mind, and it was just everywhere, you.
Speaker 3: Know, the Supermarke he said Jay Usa one word four letters.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, Yeah, dude, it's really good to catch up
Speaker 3: with you. And it's awesome that you're starting that, uh
Speaker 3: your church, and you know, whatever you need from us,
Speaker 3: I mean we're we're willing to help you with whatever
Speaker 3: you need.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: So, uh, you need any kind of technical support, you
Speaker 3: need any kind of I mean apostle you need you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He's not going for its available
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know what's what's cool too, is uh but
Speaker 4: because because I'm filed in uh Virginia and I'm not
Speaker 4: actually operating in Virginia, I can't use it to get
Speaker 4: any like property taxes off. But but each church can
Speaker 4: have one property that's a tax exempt you know, or
Speaker 4: you can have like a branch of a church into
Speaker 4: a you know, like so I can open a branch
Speaker 4: in like Kentucky and and that property could be you know,
Speaker 4: exempt from property taxes. But you're exempt from property taxes anyways.
Speaker 4: Just people don't, you know, take them to court and
Speaker 4: you get taken out the list.
Speaker 5: I've heard, I've heard of that. It just sounds it
Speaker 5: sounds crazy to me that that's actually a thing. But
Speaker 5: you just have to actually speak up and say, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't want to do this.
Speaker 4: It's basically like McDonald's and Burger King and gas stations
Speaker 4: that are supposed to pay property taxes. People aren't supposed
Speaker 4: to pay property taxes because we have the right to
Speaker 4: own property. You can't tax right because it's God given.
Speaker 4: You know. A lot of that comes from the Bar Association.
Speaker 4: Even with the five O eight, you know, like the
Speaker 4: I R. S. I don't think is even legally supposed
Speaker 4: to regulate what a church is and how a church operates.
Speaker 4: But they the way they got around that was they
Speaker 4: had this separate tax code where you're automatically tax exempt
Speaker 4: and as long as you file the documents, you're all good.
Speaker 4: But they just don't tell anyone that exists. You couldn't
Speaker 4: even look it up on the Like when I was
Speaker 4: on the Commissioner or what was it called the States
Speaker 4: Corporate Commissioner or something, Corporate Commissions for Virginia, it's basically
Speaker 4: the Treasury or whatever. Like I said, they had all
Speaker 4: the tax codes you can, you can pull them all up,
Speaker 4: except for the five O eight. You couldn't pull it up. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they try and make it as as difficult as possible.
Speaker 3: They trying to collect all that cheese, all the cheese
Speaker 3: they can, you know, and just out of curiosity, what
Speaker 3: are some of your philosophies and practices that you'll be
Speaker 3: preaching on uh on on church are? First of all,
Speaker 3: are you gonna be doing it on Sundays? Is it
Speaker 3: gonna be a Saturday thing?
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be Monday. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do it on Monday, Moonday, Yeah, Moonday, and going back
Speaker 4: to pro wrestling. I think I'm gonna call it my
Speaker 4: live streams that I start doing on Monday, Moonday night
Speaker 4: raw nice. You know, I might put congregation in there too,
Speaker 4: just to you know, make it you know, just to
Speaker 4: stay in good faith and let let them make it
Speaker 4: clear what I'm doing, you know, so that.
Speaker 3: Way it doesn't just look like a hangout or anything
Speaker 3: like that. So is it is there any kind of
Speaker 3: like specific direction you're trying to go as far as
Speaker 3: magic and maybe the occult and stuff like that, or
Speaker 3: is it kind of just gonna be why ranging all
Speaker 3: encompassing eclectic, Like we just covered the eclectic Witcher recently,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of like a.
Speaker 4: It might not be much different than what you guys
Speaker 4: do for your solo shows or like what you did
Speaker 4: for your last Wizard Wednesday, you know, where you just
Speaker 4: kind of go over like a book or some type
Speaker 4: of spiritual teaching and you know, reflect on it and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. You know. So but as far as
Speaker 4: like practices go, you know, of course it's going to
Speaker 4: be like operative. You know, like theory is cool and all,
Speaker 4: but there's a huge disconnect from theory and reality. So
Speaker 4: so I just you know, I just want to take
Speaker 4: people from right here and bring them up to here.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like what you say too about how
Speaker 3: you feel that magic is essentially your god given right.
Speaker 3: And you know, we talk all the time about even
Speaker 3: like certain rituals, even you know, and how easy and
Speaker 3: simple it really is to get into. Some people may
Speaker 3: call him a habit, but if you're conscious about your habits,
Speaker 3: then it becomes somewhat of a ritual, I believe.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, totally, you know, I mean the way athletes
Speaker 4: have their superstitions, or commercial fishermen. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you guys are friends with any commercial fishermen, have known
Speaker 4: any commercial fishermen. I mean, those guys, are they very superstitious,
Speaker 4: ten times more than anyone you'll ever meet.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. My dad was a hardcore in the
Speaker 3: casino for a little while, and every time i'd see
Speaker 3: him sitting at, you know, one of the slot machines,
Speaker 3: he'd be doing some weird shit with his hands. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck you doing? He's like, I have a process.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, dance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But yeah, I think that that's uh, it's
Speaker 3: it's important, and I think that, like, you know, we've
Speaker 3: talked about certain rituals and stuff like that, and that's
Speaker 3: really why I try every single episode to try and
Speaker 3: include at least one ritual to practice whatever as we're
Speaker 3: talking about, just to show how simple and easy it
Speaker 3: actually is. And for the people that make question, you know,
Speaker 3: where we're pulling this from, is it coming from the
Speaker 3: dark side. There is never any mention of a demon
Speaker 3: or a devil or an underlaw, uh you know, underworld
Speaker 3: kind of character or anything like that. It's really more
Speaker 3: so just co creat I feel like it's it's almost
Speaker 3: like a co creative kind of thing. Like everything that
Speaker 3: we do, you know, whenever we put it into practice,
Speaker 3: it feels like you're working with the source, or working
Speaker 3: with the universe, or working with if you're working with
Speaker 3: an angel or whatever, right, Like, it feels very like
Speaker 3: co creative.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the the more you do magic, and you know,
Speaker 4: especially if you can leave your superstitions and preconceived notions
Speaker 4: and programming, you know, leave that at the door. But uh,
Speaker 4: but it definitely doing magic, especially like consistently meditation all that,
Speaker 4: having a consistent practice, it'll start to connect you with
Speaker 4: your higher self, you know, with the Creator. With all
Speaker 4: of that, you know, And so.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you too. I saw somebody who
Speaker 3: you know, they were talking about the difference between uh,
Speaker 3: you know, white in black witchcraft or light in dark witchcraft,
Speaker 3: the occult whatever, right, And they say that the people
Speaker 3: of the light they know not to do baneful magic
Speaker 3: because of the threefold law, like whatever you do will
Speaker 3: come back to you three times or whatever. And then
Speaker 3: the people that are practicing in the dark, they are
Speaker 3: like just totally disregarding that. And so I wonder, you know,
Speaker 3: just psychologically, even whenever you're whenever you're practicing baineful magic,
Speaker 3: for example, because I know you've done it before, you
Speaker 3: dirty little boy, but not just kidding, but whenever you're
Speaker 3: practicing stuff like that, do you keep that in the
Speaker 3: back of your mind or do you look at that
Speaker 3: as just like it's a stupid superstition that you know
Speaker 3: holds people accountable.
Speaker 4: It is a stupid superspetition, And it's and it's a
Speaker 4: misunderstanding of the three fold log because it's because it's
Speaker 4: not what you put out comes back to you threefold.
Speaker 4: It's if I slap you on the face, it's your
Speaker 4: obligation to smack me either three times or three times
Speaker 4: as hard. You're supposed to return it threefold. So you know,
Speaker 4: if you know, if someone rips you off, you rip
Speaker 4: them off harder, you know, like you're supposed to destroy
Speaker 4: your enemy. I think it comes from the second initiation
Speaker 4: in WICCA, might be the third, but I think it
Speaker 4: might be the second. Okay, where where you're going through
Speaker 4: these stages. The first one you get flogged like three times,
Speaker 4: and then six times and then nine times, and then
Speaker 4: after they're initiated, they flog you. So as you lash
Speaker 4: them three times, they're supposed to lash you nine times
Speaker 4: and then you know, twenty one twenty seven.
Speaker 3: So is that that's a WICCAN rule?
Speaker 4: Then yeah, it's it's not if I put out negativity
Speaker 4: it comes back to me three fold. It's if you
Speaker 4: bring me negativity, I'm going to destroy you. You know,
Speaker 4: you have an obligation to you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's even more than an eye for an eye,
Speaker 3: it's my eye, you take my eye, I'm I'm taking
Speaker 3: both your eyes, and I'm I might get your nose.
Speaker 4: Yeah totally, you know. So yeah, but you know, but
Speaker 4: I and you know, some of the black conditions especially
Speaker 4: might get triggered by this. But I do think there
Speaker 4: is some type of mechanism in this realm that could
Speaker 4: be considered karma. And and there are people that throw
Speaker 4: a lot of curses around for no reason, and a
Speaker 4: lot of those people do get destroyed, and a lot
Speaker 4: of people think that's just action and reaction. I'm not
Speaker 4: so sure, you know. I do think there's a I
Speaker 4: do think there's like a mechanism here that could be
Speaker 4: considered karma. And I think there's ways of negated too.
Speaker 4: And I think that's why some of the most evil
Speaker 4: people in the world do so many charitable aids. You know,
Speaker 4: they all don't it to charity and set up nonprofits
Speaker 4: and you know, and a lot of these people are
Speaker 4: doing it in a way to subvert even more. But
Speaker 4: still I think there's I think there's like these weird
Speaker 4: little like kind of like life hacks, to kind of
Speaker 4: hacking the negative effects from some bad karma that you
Speaker 4: might get. You know.
Speaker 3: I felt that way too, Like anytime, let's say, something
Speaker 3: is weirdly talked about in a movie, right, something that
Speaker 3: has never happened, but then a year or two later,
Speaker 3: it's almost like that movie was a prophecy of sorts,
Speaker 3: And I kind of feel like they do that to
Speaker 3: kind of release the the maybe the karma debt that
Speaker 3: they accrue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it easily because it kind of puts it more
Speaker 4: on your lap. You know.
Speaker 5: Well, I think too it, you know, because lately the
Speaker 5: way I've been looking at things is that everything is
Speaker 5: so conscious consciousness driven, you know, and so it's I
Speaker 5: think it's more so to put that information out and
Speaker 5: then almost like that karma, the that you were talking about,
Speaker 5: it kind of just sends it out and if it's
Speaker 5: in all of our awareness, it almost makes it happen,
Speaker 5: you know. If that many people are thinking about a
Speaker 5: certain thing, I feel like it's more likely to happen
Speaker 5: because consciousness is involved now. And that's like as far
Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, the way that I've been looking at it,
Speaker 5: I mean, without consciousness, you have nothing, and so I
Speaker 5: think consciousness is this. I think that's where the power is.
Speaker 5: And I think that's the ether, that's the whatever that is.
Speaker 5: When you send something out, you're sending it into consciousness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I think they've been trying to
Speaker 4: stomp out, you know, the whole idea of what America
Speaker 4: was supposed to be in the American dream. And I
Speaker 4: think it's such a powerful thought for him, and it's
Speaker 4: in our you know, conscious so much that I think
Speaker 4: they're having me such a tough time stomping it out.
Speaker 4: You know, like, I'm sure if they you know, if
Speaker 4: they had it their way, we would have lost our
Speaker 4: guns twenty.
Speaker 3: Years ago, you know, probably farther back in Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, right. Well, look, I kind of wanted to
Speaker 3: pick your brain a little bit because we've been covering
Speaker 3: a good amount of like wide ranging topics, and I
Speaker 3: feel like we got a pretty decent understanding about, you know,
Speaker 3: what they represent and what they actually mean, and just
Speaker 3: looking at them for the actual esoteric meaning rather than
Speaker 3: getting caught up in verbiage and what did it literally mean?
Speaker 3: And I'm I believe that we're at the point like
Speaker 3: we don't really give a shit if anything literally happened.
Speaker 3: It's all about what can you gain from the myth
Speaker 3: and what can you gain from the story, because I
Speaker 3: believe that that's really where the nosis is. But just
Speaker 3: out of curiosity, have you ever looked into.
Speaker 4: The Druids a little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I found that so fascinating doing that level of research.
Speaker 3: Now I know that it's it can be pretty skewed
Speaker 3: a little bit because a lot of their teachings were
Speaker 3: you know, burned or thrown away or collected and maybe
Speaker 3: the Vatican has it, who knows, right, But most of
Speaker 3: the stories really come from those who were battling them,
Speaker 3: and during that time it was the Roman Catholics I
Speaker 3: believe that were really the ones going over there and
Speaker 3: trying to take them out. But even the Roman Catholics
Speaker 3: would admit that during that time the oh hold on,
Speaker 3: let me do something real quick. That even during that time,
Speaker 3: the Catholics would say they would meet them on the
Speaker 3: battlefield and they would see the Druidic wizards essentially like
Speaker 3: forming fog and or they they could bring on rain
Speaker 3: or bring on lightning. Yeah, and it was just really wild.
Speaker 3: And so it's cool that even the enemy had something
Speaker 3: what I would deem positive, you know, to say about them.
Speaker 3: And I believe that they had to have been working
Speaker 3: with that kind of magic. I mean, do you think
Speaker 3: that that was propaganda, that that was just their reasoning
Speaker 3: for taking them out almost like a whole the whole
Speaker 3: Nephelum story. Well, they where they had the tainted blood,
Speaker 3: so of course we had to kill them, you know,
Speaker 3: like or do you believe that you know, that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff was actually going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do think they're doing magic. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, manipulating weather with magic is it's not
Speaker 4: like an impossible thing to do, you know, Yeah, many
Speaker 4: to doing with radionics. You know, there's legends of Genghis
Speaker 4: con if he was even a real character, but where
Speaker 4: he was causing storms to take out his enemies and stuff,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's a it's a thing man. People do it.
Speaker 3: Man. That is I just think that that is so cool.
Speaker 3: We're trying to bring it back, you know, neo Druidism
Speaker 3: or neo Druidry or whatever they're calling it nowadays. And
Speaker 3: you'll hear like some clapback on people saying something about that, oh,
Speaker 3: you can't possibly be practicing what the Druids were doing
Speaker 3: back then because none of their knowledge survived. And it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, that's part of the reason why it's called
Speaker 3: neo druid it's like the new way, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Totally, you know. And you know, people when it comes
Speaker 4: to trying to like revive these old traditions, you know,
Speaker 4: people gotta understand too, like they were using what they
Speaker 4: had available, you know. So I don't think it's good
Speaker 4: to just be like dogmatic about what trying to recreate
Speaker 4: what they're doing because now we have a lot more
Speaker 4: to draw from. Yeah, you know, we have a lot
Speaker 4: more resources, you know. I think just look at just
Speaker 4: look at the name plant right when I was talking
Speaker 4: about Nemo being like one of the best medicines you know,
Speaker 4: like I said, also works good for like removing curses
Speaker 4: and stuff. You know that comes from Australia. You know,
Speaker 4: like we can just order that on amazone whenever we want,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, or wherever. You know, it's at
Speaker 4: most co ops, most food co ops, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's definitely an interesting time to be alive.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Information is everywhere, you know, at your fingertips.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's pretty special, I think. And I think that
Speaker 3: you know, for a lot of people out there that
Speaker 3: aren't necessarily too concerned about being too dogmatic in whatever
Speaker 3: their teachings are, whatever the lessons they're trying to learn,
Speaker 3: is as long as they can be open minded, dude,
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff really does make sense, you know,
Speaker 3: whether you're looking into witchcraft, are you're looking into magic,
Speaker 3: or you're looking into religion of sword, are you're looking
Speaker 3: into whatever ancient kind of mythology, Maybe you want to
Speaker 3: get a little Norse, pagan or whatever. I believe that
Speaker 3: if you can remain open minded enough about all of
Speaker 3: that that you can kind of pick and choose. And
Speaker 3: some people might call that cherry picking, but I think
Speaker 3: that you could possibly fuse a lot of that stuff together.
Speaker 3: Which you know, we recently did the Eclectic Witchcraft episode
Speaker 3: a couple days ago, and that was really all it's about. Like,
Speaker 3: and I know some people like there's some witches that
Speaker 3: are like, oh, eclectic witches. All right, You're not grounded
Speaker 3: in any kind of one thing. You're just taking a
Speaker 3: little bit from everywhere. But I feel like that's the
Speaker 3: best way to really learn. And also the same people
Speaker 3: that if you really think about it, like I would
Speaker 3: imagine that the maybe the first witch or the first
Speaker 3: witches or the first coven that was created, they weren't
Speaker 3: even necessarily pulling I mean, what were the grassroots of that.
Speaker 3: They probably pulled a little bit from here, pulled a
Speaker 3: little bit from there, and started putting together.
Speaker 4: Look at American voodoo or who dooo you know, but
Speaker 4: like like voodoo from like Louisiana and stuff from the South,
Speaker 4: you know, like they drew from different European cultures, folk
Speaker 4: magic they drew from Haitian folk magic, and they drew
Speaker 4: from like Native American folk magic, you know, plus like
Speaker 4: the Catholic and Christian influence on top of it, you know,
Speaker 4: the saints and everything. So you know, that's a pretty
Speaker 4: solid system of magic. You know, it doesn't resonate with
Speaker 4: me too much, but it's a pretty solid system of magic.
Speaker 4: And all they did was just using what's available to them.
Speaker 4: You know, they don't even use like some of the
Speaker 4: people in the Hoodoo crowd. Instead of using like parchment
Speaker 4: paper to draw their sigils or veves on, they'll just
Speaker 4: tear a piece off of a brown paper because that's
Speaker 4: that's the culture. That's what they were using. And whodo
Speaker 4: instead of a parchment paper, they would just use grocery.
Speaker 5: Bags, right, And a lot of that had to do with,
Speaker 5: you know, what was available. You know, we were going
Speaker 5: over that with this this last episode, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it would make so much more sense, you know, to
Speaker 5: just use what's around you rather than having to travel,
Speaker 5: you know, and I mean two days to go pick
Speaker 5: a certain type of herb or what have you. You know,
Speaker 5: you would just use what's around you and then just
Speaker 5: believe and assume that that's going to work, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, And it makes so much, so much
Speaker 5: more sense, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I'll say this though, when I
Speaker 4: got into radionics, man, I don't do a lot of
Speaker 4: sympathetic magic at all. Like radionics kind of changed a
Speaker 4: lot of that aspect of my magic a lot, you know,
Speaker 4: And that just kind of goes with technology and things changing,
Speaker 4: I guess. But for me, it's it just works so
Speaker 4: much better when I just program a vigil candle, program
Speaker 4: all my information in there, fill it up with a
Speaker 4: bunch of awesome, clean energy, and then light it on
Speaker 4: my altar and let the spirits deal with it. That's
Speaker 4: the closest thing to like plug and play for like
Speaker 4: a spell for me, you know. But but you know,
Speaker 4: when I when I do sympathetic magic, all the times
Speaker 4: I've done it, you know, like did like an actual
Speaker 4: like spell, I mean, it works really good, you know.
Speaker 4: But I think the important thing is making contact with spirits,
Speaker 4: you know, because there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 4: into witchcraft community and they're almost just treading water, like
Speaker 4: you know, they'll they'll throw stuff together and do a spell.
Speaker 4: But you know, like I really think you should master
Speaker 4: evocation number one like that should be like one. The
Speaker 4: second development is like key for everything, but like the
Speaker 4: one like magical technique. I think it is probably one
Speaker 4: of the most important things that master is like evocation, right,
Speaker 4: because you know, when you can like effectively summon someone
Speaker 4: like Belile, I mean, you can almost do anything and
Speaker 4: it's gonna work at that point, right, you know. So,
Speaker 4: so all the spells really doing is just anchoring it
Speaker 4: in the physical realm.
Speaker 5: Mm hm, you know, speaking it out right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting and knowing that you have that help
Speaker 3: too because it Now, this is something that I did
Speaker 3: want to ask you specifically because I know that you
Speaker 3: work with a lot of help and whenever you're working
Speaker 3: with that, do you literally, like literally not figuratively, do
Speaker 3: you literally believe that these people, spirits, demons, angels are
Speaker 3: actually there? Or is it something that you're telling your
Speaker 3: mind to believe to make the make the spell work.
Speaker 4: Uh, there's definitely a spirit in the room. Now are
Speaker 4: these eggrigors or do they exist outside of the human experience?
Speaker 4: Who knows? You know, it's like chicken or the egg
Speaker 4: at that point. But uh, but but you want to
Speaker 4: you want to do both so you kind of okay,
Speaker 4: I'll bring it up right here because this is kind
Speaker 4: of important, I guess. So, you know, you have the
Speaker 4: psychological framework of magic. These are all just archetypes, you know,
Speaker 4: They all you know, part of your subconscious part of creation.
Speaker 4: You know, the human experience anthropomorphized basically is you know,
Speaker 4: to make it easier to work with and conceptualize. And
Speaker 4: the people that have that kind of mindset, they're usually
Speaker 4: a lot healthier and they're more stable as human beings.
Speaker 4: Where people that strictly go on the literal aspect of magic,
Speaker 4: where these are real, they're separate from us. They're conscious
Speaker 4: and self aware beings like those are the people that
Speaker 4: seem to suffer a little bit more with magic. But
Speaker 4: there's there's a rub to this though, because the people
Speaker 4: that are in the psychological framework of magic, a lot
Speaker 4: of them don't understand just how real and physical magic is.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of people that subscribe to
Speaker 4: that psychological framework where they don't even think it's possible
Speaker 4: to curse someone or terminate a target with a curse.
Speaker 4: You know, we're both where almost everyone that takes like
Speaker 4: the spirit spirits being real and literal almost all of
Speaker 4: them know for a fact, you can kill people with magic. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So so it seems like, you know, you're probably going
Speaker 4: to get better results from the literal framework, but the
Speaker 4: psychological framework is a lot safer and healthier and stable.
Speaker 4: So I think it might be best for some people
Speaker 4: to try to find a balance in between that.
Speaker 7: M h.
Speaker 5: And why do you say, why do you just to
Speaker 5: help me understand that? Why why would you say that
Speaker 5: it's safer to do the psychological route. Is that because
Speaker 5: that you're just you're disconnected from whatever that is, or
Speaker 5: in the psychological route, there really is no other thing
Speaker 5: to be connected to.
Speaker 4: Well, well you sort of. I think you had it
Speaker 4: right with the with the first part of that. But
Speaker 4: but there's the other thing that it's like a mindset
Speaker 4: that these are already inside of you, Like these are archetypes,
Speaker 4: are already within you. So it's almost like a part
Speaker 4: of yourself that you're putting out in front of you
Speaker 4: to work with. You know, it's almost like shadow work.
Speaker 4: And that is true. I mean, the whole psychological part
Speaker 4: is true. The literal part is uh, you know, it's
Speaker 4: probably mostly true, but it's like you know, like you know,
Speaker 4: like where did these spirits come from originally? You know?
Speaker 4: You know so uh you know, well, I mean because
Speaker 4: because you look at like angels. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if you're talking about the Christian pantheon, the Norse pantheon. Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, like basically every single religion, every single myth,
Speaker 4: all the pagans, everything, all the all of it was
Speaker 4: based off of the skyclock. Like these are all archetypes
Speaker 4: for like constellations and aspects of the human experience. You know,
Speaker 4: like every one of them has Mars as the god
Speaker 4: of war, Jupiter as the expanding force, Saturn as the
Speaker 4: contricting force. You know, you know, the Sun is always
Speaker 4: the risen savior of man.
Speaker 3: You know, goes to sleep for three days, rises back up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and uh and even like a lot
Speaker 4: of our secret societies are all based on the same thing,
Speaker 4: you know, like Freemasons and stuff. But you know, say
Speaker 4: with instead of three kings falling the star undeath the
Speaker 4: just the birth of the sun, they have three Ruffians.
Speaker 4: Instead of dying for three nights, he suffers three Hymabyth
Speaker 4: suffers three deadly blows and then and then he's resurrected.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Wow, So it's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all based on the same concepts, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not so.
Speaker 3: And as far as you're the way that you're putting
Speaker 3: at like just trying to understand these spirits and these
Speaker 3: deities and angels and whatever, you know, psychologically, do you
Speaker 3: feel like, essentially you know, if they are Tulpa's or
Speaker 3: most of them are going to be egg gors because
Speaker 3: they're pretty well known, But like, do you feel as
Speaker 3: almost as if that you're projecting them from you? And
Speaker 3: that's why it's better to work with them psychologically as
Speaker 3: opposed to looking at them as if they're literal forces
Speaker 3: that you don't have any control of that are in
Speaker 3: the room with you. Is that why that, you know,
Speaker 3: the psychological route is a little bit safer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably, But I try to have the I mean,
Speaker 4: I basically feel like I'm in control the whole time.
Speaker 4: You know. That's something I've learned a lot working with spirits.
Speaker 4: And there's some spirits you definitely don't want to piss
Speaker 4: off and be disrespectful to. But for the most part, they,
Speaker 4: even like feral spirits out in nature, seem to be
Speaker 4: obedient to us for whatever reason. You know, it takes
Speaker 4: the discipline and some willpower. But if you have like
Speaker 4: strong willpower, I think that for whatever reason, they're completely
Speaker 4: obedient to us.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that that's why the Druids
Speaker 3: had it right, dude. You know, they didn't go into
Speaker 3: a church or a temple. They just had the grove.
Speaker 3: They were out in there in the fucking woods, and
Speaker 3: they were working with the elements and the nature, spirits
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Like that makes them most amount
Speaker 3: of sense if I mean, depending on what you think.
Speaker 3: If you believe that humanity is native to Earth, then
Speaker 3: it would be your divine right to be able to
Speaker 3: work with those things, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, some of the right hand path, especially
Speaker 4: the old school right hand path magicians, they had this
Speaker 4: mindset that we are created in the image of God,
Speaker 4: and the spirits obey us because because of that, because
Speaker 4: because we're a reflection of God, you know. And even
Speaker 4: with the law, you know how we started with the
Speaker 4: church and everything. The law is structured, especially in America
Speaker 4: because we have the Constitution of the Bill of Rights,
Speaker 4: most of the Bill of Rights. But you know where
Speaker 4: it's like God created man, Man created government, government created corporation, towns,
Speaker 4: boroughs and you know, statues and codes and shit like that.
Speaker 4: You know. So we're like up here above the government,
Speaker 4: you know. And so whenever you get into like the
Speaker 4: legal process, they always try to bring you under their control.
Speaker 4: And but when you actually know the law, especially like
Speaker 4: the real nuts and bolts of the law. It because
Speaker 4: I used to always think that the system was so
Speaker 4: far gone I just needed to be destroyed and rebuilt.
Speaker 4: But when I started learning the law, I was like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, dude, our founding forefathers knew what was up.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty solid system, Like, it works pretty well.
Speaker 4: We just forgot how to use it.
Speaker 3: Oh they were freemasons. They definitely knew what the fuck
Speaker 3: was up, dude.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And you know, back in the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 4: we were reading more books on the law. We owned
Speaker 4: more books on the law than Britain, did, you know,
Speaker 4: because everyone was just reading the law, everyone, you know,
Speaker 4: even Joseph Smith. You know, he allegedly was just some farmer,
Speaker 4: which I don't think so. I think he was a
Speaker 4: wealthy guy. I think he came from a little bit
Speaker 4: of a pedigree. But you know, he knew the law.
Speaker 4: He knew how to file documents, how to be a church.
Speaker 4: Everyone knew how to be a lawyer back then, especially
Speaker 4: people that were kind of wealthy and came from good families.
Speaker 4: They all knew how to be their own lawyers. All
Speaker 4: of our founding forefathers, that was one of the professions
Speaker 4: they had. They were lawyers, you know, even though they
Speaker 4: are really farmers and generals and shit, but they they
Speaker 4: all knew the law well enough to represent themselves and
Speaker 4: represent other people.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, they were super advanced too. Like, even by
Speaker 3: the age of like twenty five twenty six, they were
Speaker 3: so far like like entrenched in their career and their
Speaker 3: understanding of this reality and and their their understanding of
Speaker 3: the law and stuff like that. It is pretty impressive
Speaker 3: to go back and look at like, all right, you know,
Speaker 3: like Thomas Jefferson or somebody like that, for example, I
Speaker 3: don't know how old he was, but just hypothetically, you know,
Speaker 3: whenever he was like twenty five, he was already signing
Speaker 3: the fucking Declaration of Independence like shit like that, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's like it's crazy that, you know, how I guess,
Speaker 3: well taught they were, and intelligent they were and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But yeah, man, it's uh times times be changing,
Speaker 3: but I think the tide is turning on that.
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things. Yeah, Like I always
Speaker 4: mentioned that I'm gonna creates a hardcore creationists, and so
Speaker 4: I think it's one of those things where this realm
Speaker 4: was built just for us and we are the apex
Speaker 4: of this realm.
Speaker 3: That's something I want to ask you because we've had
Speaker 3: conversations with numerous people talking about well, mainly our boy
Speaker 3: Optimistic Bank shout out and he brings up pantheism, And
Speaker 3: at first I was like, you know, at first, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. That is everybody me and I am
Speaker 3: I everybody and am I, you know, part of the
Speaker 3: call it the Creator or the One or whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call it. It's like, you know, And I
Speaker 3: sat with that for a little while, and then it
Speaker 3: started to make more sense because if there is no separation,
Speaker 3: then of course you would have some kind of I
Speaker 3: don't want to say leniency over working with the spirits
Speaker 3: and working with the angels and working with whoever it
Speaker 3: is you're trying to work with. But like, maybe that's
Speaker 3: why you have certain like domain to I don't want
Speaker 3: to say use them, but with them, right and so
Speaker 3: I don't know. And also there's you know, just with
Speaker 3: my whole experience and DMT and going to the void
Speaker 3: and everything and everything was gone and the only thing
Speaker 3: that was there was just my own awareness and my
Speaker 3: own consciousness. And I feel like even whenever you go
Speaker 3: into a dream like this is how I kind of
Speaker 3: convince myself of it. I could just be straight up
Speaker 3: with every single one of these shows, I question, like,
Speaker 3: am I slowly losing it? Every single episode? Like I
Speaker 3: questioned that because I'm like, maybe I don't have it
Speaker 3: right and I got to start over from scratch. But
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm pretty on. But whenever it comes
Speaker 3: to that, like, all right, so when you go to
Speaker 3: sleep at night and let's say you have it, are
Speaker 3: you somebody like that? Like, are you like a prolific
Speaker 3: dreamer by any means?
Speaker 4: Yeah, usually lucy dreams and all that go out of body.
Speaker 3: Huh okay, all right, So in that dream, who created
Speaker 3: that world?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know that's a that's a good one.
Speaker 3: You know, like it could all be us, you know,
Speaker 3: it could all just be an absolute, all total mind
Speaker 3: fuck because that world in the dream reality, no matter
Speaker 3: no matter where you are or who you are, or
Speaker 3: who your family is, or what you're working or anything
Speaker 3: like that. That is that's happening in your mind, right, Like,
Speaker 3: or do we believe that this is your jumping dimensions
Speaker 3: you're going to other timelines. Then that's where it starts
Speaker 3: to get a little sketchy because we don't know. There's
Speaker 3: no way to really be able to like confirm that,
Speaker 3: but it definitely feels like to me that that stuff
Speaker 3: is going on in our mind. And I mean, all right,
Speaker 3: who created that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, you get to the point there, like
Speaker 4: what's the mind? You know, because uh, you know, like
Speaker 4: I think that our consciousness doesn't come from our brain
Speaker 4: at all. I think our brain is just a receiver
Speaker 4: for the consciousness. Yes, you know, it's like a radio,
Speaker 4: you know. And I think that's like one of the
Speaker 4: things that some of the later Buddhists like monks or
Speaker 4: profits or whatever you want to call them, the leaders
Speaker 4: of the truth, kind of got wrong because, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: and Buddhism is they think there is no soul because
Speaker 4: because the text is like, this is not the soul,
Speaker 4: this is not the soul, This is not the soul.
Speaker 4: So they take it as you know what it's saying
Speaker 4: is like you you are not your brain, you are
Speaker 4: not your heart, like these are just you know, your
Speaker 4: soul is something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, you know, I'd buy that.
Speaker 4: And then you know, the one of the little uh
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of spiritual people will talk about
Speaker 4: it and some of the old ocult books. But if
Speaker 4: you just sit and just close your eyes and just
Speaker 4: observe your thoughts and don't try to regulate them, don't
Speaker 4: try to control them, just sit in the background and
Speaker 4: observe them, just let them come in and go as
Speaker 4: they please. You know, do that for like ten minutes,
Speaker 4: and then you got to ask yourself, if I'm my thoughts,
Speaker 4: then who is that paying attention to them?
Speaker 5: M hmm. Yeah. It definitely doesn't feel like the version
Speaker 5: of you that's paying attention to them is actually coming
Speaker 5: up with thoughts. Like you're not literally constructing these thoughts
Speaker 5: in real time. It feels like you're just a wit
Speaker 5: of them. And that's the strangest thing when you start
Speaker 5: to think about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people aren't their thoughts, they're not their beliefs, you know,
Speaker 4: And and it's really unfortunate there's so many people struggle
Speaker 4: with that, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, they don't know how to separate it, you know,
Speaker 3: because you've never really had an opportunity so much to
Speaker 3: be able to separate it because some people believe that
Speaker 3: or they don't believe in meditation, or they don't believe
Speaker 3: in psychedelics, or they don't believe in breath work or
Speaker 3: anything like that. Like, and that's that's very unfortunate that
Speaker 3: some people are taught that way.
Speaker 4: But real quick to the people out there that are
Speaker 4: skepticle of this, try it for a month, Try it
Speaker 4: for a month, and then tell me, dude.
Speaker 3: And it's helped me out so much to be able
Speaker 3: to separate like this meat suit, just understanding that it's
Speaker 3: not me and understanding that like it's up to me
Speaker 3: on all right, am I going to react to a
Speaker 3: situation like this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Because they all a reaction is is just essentially kind
Speaker 3: of buying into the system. It's almost habitual. Whereas if
Speaker 3: you're aware in the moment, and you can keep that
Speaker 3: level of awareness in every single moment, then you're gonna
Speaker 3: most of the time prevent yourself from reacting in a
Speaker 3: way that you're gonna regret.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's that's really interesting. Actually, I
Speaker 5: think that's the one thing that that really separates us
Speaker 5: from from animal, you know what I mean. Because an
Speaker 5: animal is just gonna react, that's just their animal nature,
Speaker 5: their instinct, their protective whatever. We have the ability to
Speaker 5: analyze the situation and almost rise above or even access
Speaker 5: your higher self and see it at a higher perspective
Speaker 5: and really try to figure out what's the best way
Speaker 5: to go about this, you know. And sometimes we're better
Speaker 5: at it than others for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's really sad though, you know, because so
Speaker 4: many people are so propagandaized and they're so polarized right now,
Speaker 4: you know. You you know, let's just take a polarizing
Speaker 4: subject like a like abortion right, and you know, the
Speaker 4: the left is like very like venomous, Like the Christians
Speaker 4: are pretty annoying about it, you know, preaching to like
Speaker 4: abortion clinics and stuff. Yeah. I get that's annoying, you know,
Speaker 4: because most people don't want to have to go through
Speaker 4: a procedure like that, So to have someone like yelling
Speaker 4: out a megaphone, right, it's.
Speaker 5: Kind of a dick move exactly.
Speaker 4: But uh, but you know, just because because these people
Speaker 4: are so like aggressive and venomous where they think you're
Speaker 4: like the most evil thing if you if you're pro life.
Speaker 4: But if you really break it down logically, like just
Speaker 4: because someone thinks it's wrong to kill an unborn child,
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily doesn't make them a bad person. It
Speaker 4: kind of makes them a good person. You know. It's
Speaker 4: a same with like vegans. You know, like vegans think
Speaker 4: it's wrong to kill an animal and for an animal
Speaker 4: to suffer when when you have other options. You know, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: a lot of vegans are pretty annoying, but you know,
Speaker 4: you're not a bad person for having that belief. It's
Speaker 4: just a different belief than you have, right, you know.
Speaker 5: Ultimately, you know, people really don't like being told what
Speaker 5: to do, you know. And I think when when someone's
Speaker 5: telling you will that that's wrong or this is the
Speaker 5: way you should do it, it's coming from a well
Speaker 5: I have all the answers you know, and you don't,
Speaker 5: and and you know, maybe one day you'll figure it out,
Speaker 5: and it's like, you know what I mean that that's
Speaker 5: I think what gets people really upset, you know, this
Speaker 5: this hierarchy of intellect or or you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: I have the answers well.
Speaker 3: It's the it's the polarization that ultimately creates the trigger
Speaker 3: in the first place, you know, because some people are
Speaker 3: just gonna be like I associate with everything that this
Speaker 3: side thinks. And it's like that's not right either, Like
Speaker 3: that's not logical at all, you know, like and and so,
Speaker 3: and that's not even just political or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but just in order, like it's important to always be
Speaker 3: aware and put a substantial amount of thought into something
Speaker 3: whenever you're speaking on polar polarizing topics like that, and
Speaker 3: just try and you know, become empathetic and sympathetic and
Speaker 3: try and put yourself in somebody else's shoes so that
Speaker 3: you can try and understand. And yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's just such a dangerous move to
Speaker 3: group a large sum of people into they're all evil,
Speaker 3: Like that's that rate. There is how religious wars have
Speaker 3: started in the first place, you know, because they're always
Speaker 3: seen as less than human and that's not good. You know,
Speaker 3: nobody's nobody's parading that. It's like, you know, so it's
Speaker 3: it's it's you know, if you have awareness, you know,
Speaker 3: you don't really have that problem. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: very important to meditate and to be honest, dude. Like
Speaker 3: I feel like other people have probably said this too,
Speaker 3: But god damn, if we can just get all of
Speaker 3: the world's leaders together on like some kind of ayahuasca journey,
Speaker 3: I mean, world peace overnight, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think people need to start learning
Speaker 4: philosophy and debate and understanding like logical fallacies. You know,
Speaker 4: Like think about how much stuff that we have shoved
Speaker 4: on our throat, you know, in the last like ten years,
Speaker 4: you know, and especially from like the neo left, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know, how much of that stuff can you
Speaker 4: argue without using any logical fallacy? You know, some of
Speaker 4: the stuff that we're having shoved on our throat, there's
Speaker 4: no way you could make any argument unless it was
Speaker 4: a logical fallacy. It would have to be like appeal
Speaker 4: to emotion straw man, you know, non sequitor.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's all part of the word
Speaker 3: magic in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think people need to start learning about
Speaker 4: just logical fallacies and just start having like open discussion
Speaker 4: about it, you know.
Speaker 3: So right, But.
Speaker 4: The problem is, like people are having these ideas and
Speaker 4: it's propaganda, you know, shape their entire consciousness. So they're
Speaker 4: already putting up all these walls around it. So any
Speaker 4: chip in that wall, you know, is is dangerous to
Speaker 4: the ego, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and to be honest, I kind of like, I
Speaker 3: just love kind of just going against the grain and
Speaker 3: whatever somebody deems like evil or or whatever, even though
Speaker 3: it's not even etymologically true. I need to, like, I
Speaker 3: need to know where did it all start? How did
Speaker 3: it evolve to this? And that was another one of
Speaker 3: the episodes that we did whenever we talked about the genius,
Speaker 3: the genie, and the gin, and because people would just
Speaker 3: instantly assume that, well, a genie and a gin they
Speaker 3: absolutely are horrible things and you shouldn't be working with them.
Speaker 3: Or sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad, so just stay
Speaker 3: on the safe side and don't touch them. Whereas if
Speaker 3: you go back to its etymological roots to the genius, essentially,
Speaker 3: these emperors were looking at it as what we would
Speaker 3: call it, their higher selves, and they would like certain
Speaker 3: emperor's genius would literally be worshiped like in small like
Speaker 3: sector cults. And then of course religion came around and
Speaker 3: they kind of just grouped it all together into one thing.
Speaker 3: But I find it very interesting about how they have
Speaker 3: and that's not even just what the genius and the
Speaker 3: genie and the gin. It really goes back to even
Speaker 3: working with the the damons and how its etymological roots
Speaker 3: started with the damon and how it eventually evolved through
Speaker 3: essentially religious bastardization and evolving it into a demon. Now
Speaker 3: I know that that's just the the English conversion of
Speaker 3: the word. And you know, they they had a whole
Speaker 3: nother word for evil spirits hebrewically, if that's a word,
Speaker 3: but eventually they ended up turning it into the term demon.
Speaker 3: And the reason why they did that was because they
Speaker 3: wanted people to stop worshiping their damon, you know, and
Speaker 3: or stop working essentially, yeah, they're guiding spirit, you know.
Speaker 3: Aleister Crowley called it his holy Guardian Angel, which was
Speaker 3: his damon. And I mean, think what you want about Crowley,
Speaker 3: and that's beside the point. But just to see how
Speaker 3: others have looked at those terms and how they've like
Speaker 3: evolved over time, that's it. Like, it's very clear that
Speaker 3: they have been trying to do their own version of
Speaker 3: word magic and manipulate almost the past in a sense
Speaker 3: because most of the religions out there, they have nothing
Speaker 3: but bad things to say about paganism. But then you
Speaker 3: start looking into paganism, you're like, oh, wait, they were
Speaker 3: working with the nature, you know, like what they were doing,
Speaker 3: simple spells, they were leaving out offerings, like what's wrong
Speaker 3: with that?
Speaker 4: It's all the same stuff, really, you know. And you know,
Speaker 4: even like you know, the magic and occult circles. You know,
Speaker 4: they always talk about how the Christians ripped off the
Speaker 4: Pagans and the Christians ripped off these pagan holidays and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I don't think so. I just think it's all
Speaker 4: based off the same thing. It's all based on the skyclock, yep,
Speaker 4: you know, it's all based on astrology and stuff. So
Speaker 4: you know, so you know, I don't think they're ripping
Speaker 4: each other off, like I don't think, you know, like
Speaker 4: the Indians in New Mexico ripped off the Vikings, you know,
Speaker 4: or the Slavics, you know, but they all have more
Speaker 4: or less the same style of spirituality, the pantheon, same
Speaker 4: creation myth.
Speaker 5: You know, just different interpretations of the skyclock.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They basically took some older information, evolved it and made
Speaker 3: it theirs and then said this is the beginning, you know,
Speaker 3: like this is the way you know, Like meanwhile, I
Speaker 3: was just like a crash bandicoot checkpoint, you know, it
Speaker 3: was never the beginning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, it's it's just one of those things,
Speaker 4: you know, Like, you know, I think it's all based
Speaker 4: on the same stuff. I think it's all the same thing.
Speaker 4: The problem with the Abrahamic religions though, is it's because
Speaker 4: it's it's framed in like this historical you know, as
Speaker 4: a historical frameworks that people take it literally, you know,
Speaker 4: even though you can find a lot of the same
Speaker 4: stories or aspects of the same stories, yeah, in previous myths.
Speaker 4: And like I said, it's not like they're ripping each
Speaker 4: other off. It's just based on the same principles.
Speaker 5: And I think that's the the biggest argument when it
Speaker 5: comes to like, well, why is Christianity the the one
Speaker 5: true religion? And I think that's where they go is
Speaker 5: the this is the historical fact about it, and and
Speaker 5: geography and different buildings and stuff like that structures and
Speaker 5: they can look back and match it up and see
Speaker 5: like oh yeah, see it's real. You know, this is
Speaker 5: what happened.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting. I want to get
Speaker 3: over the chat here as a couple of people leaving
Speaker 3: some some notedge over here. Yeah, super market said, no
Speaker 3: such thing as a dark side, just something standing in
Speaker 3: the light making a shadow.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And you know when you uh, when you
Speaker 4: you know, I'm a creationist and I have an ether framework.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't believe in particle physics. I believe
Speaker 4: in uh ether field theory and uh so when you
Speaker 4: look at the way what light is, so light is
Speaker 4: basically a disturbance in the ether. So so basically the
Speaker 4: light is already there, you know, we're already surrounded by light.
Speaker 4: But what we call visible light is that perturbation of
Speaker 4: the ether. So it is the exact same thing, is
Speaker 4: just one of disturbance in the ether.
Speaker 5: That could be the excitation of it, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's interesting too because there's there was this video
Speaker 3: that I saw literally earlier today, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if they were quantum physicists or whatever, but it was
Speaker 3: basically talking about the myth that light travels and I thought,
Speaker 3: holy shit, that is crazy because we've always been told
Speaker 3: that you know, it's traveling at light speed or it's
Speaker 3: thirty thousand light years away, you know, if it's traveling,
Speaker 3: you know, via light. And you know the example that
Speaker 3: the gentleman made. He goes, look it, I believe that
Speaker 3: it had they've they've proven it, at least according to him,
Speaker 3: that that light doesn't travel. And he goes, well, if
Speaker 3: light's not traveling, then what's the medium that allows this
Speaker 3: to happen? He started going into the ether and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, right, And he goes and he made an
Speaker 3: example of you know, think about whenever you're at like
Speaker 3: a football game or a baseball game or something like that,
Speaker 3: and the whole crowd in the everybody in the stadium
Speaker 3: is doing the wave. And he goes, Now, whenever you're
Speaker 3: you as the individual that is participating in the wave,
Speaker 3: you know, whenever that wave starts to come around, all
Speaker 3: you do is stand up, raise your hands, and then
Speaker 3: sit back down. You didn't travel with the wave. You
Speaker 3: were just kind of accentuated during that wave. And so
Speaker 3: that's kind of the example that he was giving as
Speaker 3: far as like light doesn't travel, it's almost just like
Speaker 3: being exposed or accentuated or excited at that excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a rate of induction, Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so interesting to think about it like that, and
Speaker 3: I dude, it has to I mean it would have
Speaker 3: to be the ether. What's the other medium?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well look at that way.
Speaker 4: They call it different things now, you know, like in
Speaker 4: the metaphasic community and alter the community, you know, Oregon scaler,
Speaker 4: you know, you look at quantum field, Higgs boson and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and then they have like all this
Speaker 4: light just complete retarded ideas of like virtual photons, virtual
Speaker 4: particles because none of it actually makes sense, you know.
Speaker 4: So they they know that there's a field there, you know,
Speaker 4: but because of Einstein, because of the ramifications of the ether,
Speaker 4: they just won't allow it because then they have to
Speaker 4: go back and question the very beginning of the history
Speaker 4: of all that why they had to take it out
Speaker 4: of physics.
Speaker 3: Which is actually pretty interesting too if you think about
Speaker 3: like just implementing that into shadow work, for example, because
Speaker 3: if if you're worried about, you know, not dealing with
Speaker 3: things of your past or things that you're you know,
Speaker 3: self conscious about or whatever, and you're not dealing with
Speaker 3: that shadow work, the light always exists, right, you just
Speaker 3: need to shine the light there or excite the light
Speaker 3: that is already there. That is being hidden, right, so
Speaker 3: there is technically there's nothing that's not in the light.
Speaker 4: At that point, you could almost look at a Lucifer,
Speaker 4: you know, as a magical archetype. Being the light bringer,
Speaker 4: is being the disturbance in that ether.
Speaker 5: You know, Oh shit, we're the disturbance of the darkness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and and there is a disturbance that
Speaker 4: happens when you work with some of the you know,
Speaker 4: the demons and Lucifer and Satan, that you are kind
Speaker 4: of kicking up all this stuff that's kind of buried.
Speaker 4: That's why I think it's important for people to start
Speaker 4: off with like angels or have a spiritual practice before
Speaker 4: they're just jumping the demon. It's not that big of
Speaker 4: a deal. But the the more issues you have and
Speaker 4: unresolved trauma, you know, all that stuff's gonna come up
Speaker 4: pretty quick. So you know, some people can handle that,
Speaker 4: some people can't.
Speaker 3: So from that metaphysical standpoint though, and you know, you
Speaker 3: bringing up Lucifer being the light bringer and basically the disturber,
Speaker 3: I mean, why is it then that a demon or
Speaker 3: somebody who may be notable of the dark side would
Speaker 3: be able to shine the light faster than an angel metaphysically.
Speaker 4: Speaking, because you can look at them as being archetypes
Speaker 4: of the dark sub conscious.
Speaker 3: You know that makes sense, Yeah, of the material world.
Speaker 3: Of the material world too, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they're the closest to the yeah, because I
Speaker 4: mean they That's another cool thing when you work with
Speaker 4: demons is they have a stronger energy. You feel they
Speaker 4: have a distinct energy too. They just seem a lot
Speaker 4: closer to the physical realm than like angels do.
Speaker 3: That puts a interesting spin on things whenever you look
Speaker 3: at shit like that though, right, Because now it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you let's just call them demons for the sake of conversation.
Speaker 3: But if you're bringing let's just specifically call on Lucifer.
Speaker 3: I mean, knock on Wood. I'm not really calling on you, Bud,
Speaker 3: but because we always get everybody says that that's what
Speaker 3: we're calling on. No, don't make a mistake, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that. But let's say hypothetically that you were doing
Speaker 3: some kind of shadow work, or you were going super
Speaker 3: deep in some kind of meditation to really start working
Speaker 3: on yourself, or ask for some kind of material gain
Speaker 3: or something like that. Then essentially the demons would be
Speaker 3: the angels of the shadow realm.
Speaker 5: That's yeah. So actually.
Speaker 4: I have thought about that a lot, especially you know,
Speaker 4: with the Abrahamic religions, how they're polarized and they're just
Speaker 4: kind of split. You know. I have thought about that
Speaker 4: that because you know, you have the seventy two angels
Speaker 4: from the Goatia, then you have the seventy two demons
Speaker 4: of the Goatia. And I was wondering if they were
Speaker 4: almost the same entity, just down further to a more
Speaker 4: dense manifestation.
Speaker 3: In a different geological place that they just so happened
Speaker 3: to take up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn, I thought that a few times, you know.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, who knows, you know,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, who knows what.
Speaker 3: It's all about? What you accept though, isn't it?
Speaker 4: It's hard to say? Uh, you know, if it works,
Speaker 4: it works. First of all, that's number one proofs in
Speaker 4: the pudding, you know, So you know, it's it's worth
Speaker 4: experimenting with and asking them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Oh you're gonna get me interested in
Speaker 3: working with demons now. God, yeah, they just lost their
Speaker 3: followers now, God, they're uh, you know, they're more interesting
Speaker 3: than a lot of other spirits.
Speaker 4: But you know, you don't have to work with demons.
Speaker 4: But I mean, they they work so fast. You know,
Speaker 4: they have a unique energy. You feel it right away.
Speaker 4: It's more profound of an experience, and they work really fast.
Speaker 4: But you know, you should you should be a grounded
Speaker 4: person first. I think, work out some of your issues
Speaker 4: from your childhood traumas. But I mean everyone's different though, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm just saying of the sake of science, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, I think from a pragmatic standpoint, I
Speaker 4: think demons are pretty much the best to work with.
Speaker 3: Now, does a demon always want some kind of offering
Speaker 3: or sacrifice in order to work with you? Is that
Speaker 3: every single demon across the board?
Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think so. But I think it's
Speaker 4: a good practice to have.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm okay with offering up you know, you
Speaker 3: want to so.
Speaker 4: A lot of it is just energy, you know, Like
Speaker 4: you know, it's not like the let's say you pour
Speaker 4: a libation of like coffee into the ground, right, The
Speaker 4: spirit isn't drinking the coffee. It is the energy of it,
Speaker 4: you know. So you know the act of evocation, you know,
Speaker 4: you're you're you're condensing the energy into a single source,
Speaker 4: and you're basically given that spirit a body, you know,
Speaker 4: with your own willpower. I mean, you could almost look
Speaker 4: at that as an offering because because you're you're giving
Speaker 4: a lot of energy just evoking it. You know, I
Speaker 4: still make offerings a big part of my practice. But
Speaker 4: you know, with radionics, though, you can do the energetic
Speaker 4: blood sacrifice, and that works pretty good for an offering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're using just like the the diabetic pricker too,
Speaker 3: aren't you.
Speaker 4: Oh for blood? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 4: use a little lancet. Doesn't leave any scars asn't you know,
Speaker 4: callous or anything like that. Well, he needs a couple
Speaker 4: of drops, you know. But uh, you know, if we
Speaker 4: if we get some property when we move out, if
Speaker 4: we move out of Utah, you know, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 4: staying here. You know. My woman hates it here though
Speaker 4: she hates the people, She hates the desert, and I
Speaker 4: love it. Man. I'm getting a tan. That's why i've
Speaker 4: been itching. If you see me like kind of reaching down,
Speaker 4: I'm like scratching because I had a pretty nearly sunburn
Speaker 4: and it's peeling now. Nice because uh, because you know,
Speaker 4: coming from the Pacific Northwest. I've never had a tan
Speaker 4: in my life, so now that I live in the desert,
Speaker 4: you know, I really want to get that like old
Speaker 4: school pro wrestler Hulk Hogan, skin of a hot dog look.
Speaker 3: So so super Market said, it reminds me of the
Speaker 3: star card in Tarot. She's pouring water on the ground
Speaker 3: and in the water the light and the dark, the
Speaker 3: light and the dark at the same time.
Speaker 5: Like acknowledging both, Yeah, because essentially they're both there, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think we all have that aspect of ourselves
Speaker 5: as well, you know, and when you're you know, someone
Speaker 5: is fucking with you, and that little bit of the
Speaker 5: darkness comes up because you just want to like kick
Speaker 5: some ass or you know what I mean, or say
Speaker 5: something mean to something. That's all in us. It's not
Speaker 5: like I step.
Speaker 4: Everything, every one of us, you know. And you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes good people do bad things, sometimes bad people do
Speaker 4: good things. You know, Like you know, I mean you
Speaker 4: were you guys remember high school? Uh did you know?
Speaker 4: Like there were kids I saw in high school that
Speaker 4: were like huge douchebags, and uh, you know, you run
Speaker 4: into them like ten years later at like a bar,
Speaker 4: at a party, or something, and they're like super nice,
Speaker 4: super chill, like awesome people because you know, they're not
Speaker 4: you know, a fifteen year old little punk kid anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: So I'm still curious too, though about why the demons
Speaker 5: work faster. That's one thing that because usually I can like, okay,
Speaker 5: that kind of makes sense, but I really just don't
Speaker 5: understand why that is. You know, is that across the
Speaker 5: board with a lot of the people that you've spoken to,
Speaker 5: or is is that.
Speaker 3: Just I mean, is it possible that it could just
Speaker 3: be a psychological thing that you know that the demons
Speaker 3: are a little bit more promiscuous and you're not necessarily
Speaker 3: asking for permission if it's good or evil? Like, could
Speaker 3: it be that too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was some of that. You know, angels work
Speaker 4: really slow, they're pretty safe, they're really healing. That's the
Speaker 4: one thing I think angels excel at the most. Just
Speaker 4: being in their presence will make you like, if you
Speaker 4: work with nothing but angels for like six months, it
Speaker 4: doesn't even take the long like four to six months,
Speaker 4: maybe seven eight months, You're gonna look younger and healthier
Speaker 4: and have a brighter glow and will probably even get
Speaker 4: hit on more, you know, but you're gonna look younger
Speaker 4: and healthier with a brighter glow working with angels than
Speaker 4: you would with demons, you know.
Speaker 5: So uh huh.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you're cleaning your aura and you're
Speaker 4: doing energy work and all of that, you know, you're
Speaker 4: not gonna it's not like demons are gonna make you
Speaker 4: look ugly, you know. But but I definitely, I definitely
Speaker 4: think angels you're gonna look better. You know, you'll basically
Speaker 4: look more attractive if you work with a lot of angels.
Speaker 3: More luminous, right, interesting, Kara said, I feel like it
Speaker 3: helped me back thinking I had to have everything perfect
Speaker 3: if I truly started practicing. But magic really is about
Speaker 3: being playful and learning from your intuition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a good point too. It's you know,
Speaker 4: so when I first started taking magic like super serious,
Speaker 4: I was doing a lot of the planetary magic and everything,
Speaker 4: the whole thing of like everything needing to be pro perfect,
Speaker 4: you know, because because you have a specific day an
Speaker 4: hour that you get to do everything, Let's say you
Speaker 4: get off work a little late, or let's say you know, you, uh,
Speaker 4: you got homes late at night and you just fall
Speaker 4: asleep and you don't do your evocation, it screws up
Speaker 4: your whole pathworking, you know. So, uh, I kind of
Speaker 4: stopped caring about that stuff a lot after a while,
Speaker 4: because you just started hindering my my work, you know,
Speaker 4: so worrying about everything being perfect, especially with like spells
Speaker 4: and stuff too. There's a lot of people that they
Speaker 4: don't have this one item, you know, so you just
Speaker 4: got to work around it. I think I think the
Speaker 4: important thing is just doing it, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that sounds bad.
Speaker 4: But I agree with that, especially the whole playful thing.
Speaker 4: I think that's a powerful manifesting tool.
Speaker 5: Just being playful right, which goes along with you know,
Speaker 5: if you feel like you're not doing it right or
Speaker 5: you're putting too much too much on it, you know,
Speaker 5: like you're putting too much effort into and now you're
Speaker 5: not really having fun with it. Now you're just it's
Speaker 5: too stringent, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know that depends on your life circumstance,
Speaker 4: because something some uh, some things come up and it's
Speaker 4: hard to uh, you're so emotionally invested in it, it's
Speaker 4: hard to you know, it's hard to put that aside.
Speaker 5: You know, and in that case, just don't go through
Speaker 5: with the right or or whatever you.
Speaker 4: Or you can hire someone else, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's also that you know, like, because if I'm
Speaker 4: not emotionally attached to it, it'll be easy for me,
Speaker 4: you know, JS. You know, yeah, it's no problem for him.
Speaker 4: You know, he's going to sacrifice the chicken anyway, you know,
Speaker 4: as well do it for you put on the schedule. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 4: no more quails.
Speaker 3: He learned that lesson the hard way.
Speaker 5: He said, his veins turned cold. Dude, That's that's terrifying, dude.
Speaker 4: Magic. Magic is a trip. The way it manifests sometimes,
Speaker 4: the way it'll change your physical appearance is a trip.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: That's like one of the main things. You know, if
Speaker 4: you like, if you work with like, uh, really masculine gods,
Speaker 4: you'll probably start taking on some masculine features. If you
Speaker 4: work with like really feminine like goddesses, you're probably gonna
Speaker 4: start taking on some of those. A lot of people
Speaker 4: that work with especially the death current, not just necessarily
Speaker 4: something dead people, but really work with the death current necromancy,
Speaker 4: a lot of those people start, you know, they start
Speaker 4: looking dead, they start looking like crap. You know, they
Speaker 4: start getting all pale and blotchy.
Speaker 5: You're you're literally embodying it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But but but there's people that that work that
Speaker 4: that don't have the same side effects. So you know,
Speaker 4: there's a way around it. You know, I've never gone
Speaker 4: really hard on the whole death current thing.
Speaker 3: Well it's that actually makes sense. You know, electro Nick
Speaker 3: working with the Pleaadians, and I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: ever seen a picture of them, but they're always usually
Speaker 3: beautiful and so of course.
Speaker 5: Embodied embodied.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, super Mark, you said make higher self decisions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally on. And that's hard for some people because
Speaker 4: some people are just so dense and in their ways.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many people are even conscious of the
Speaker 4: decisions they make?
Speaker 3: Well reactive right, not like biblical or anything, which I
Speaker 3: think that there's like a lot of you know, one
Speaker 3: line bangers in the Bible for sure, But you know,
Speaker 3: to be in this world but not of this world?
Speaker 3: I mean is that not it like saying to go
Speaker 3: with your higher self essentially in so many words.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean this place is pretty distracting. You know,
Speaker 4: you come here, you know, stuff starts happening. Life happens,
Speaker 4: and you just kind of, you know, forget about your
Speaker 4: whole mission, which your mind is wiped as soon as
Speaker 4: you get here anyway, so you don't, you see, forget
Speaker 4: what your mission is right from the get go. But
Speaker 4: you know, then life happens. You know, you go through
Speaker 4: a breakup, maybe someone gets strung out on drugs. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny, it's interesting how that works out.
Speaker 5: You know, we're we have information around us, like so
Speaker 5: much more so than ever, but yet we also have
Speaker 5: more of the distraction as well.
Speaker 4: You know. It's oh yeah, and everything's so oversaturated. Now
Speaker 4: that's a that's a real problem in the age of information,
Speaker 4: you know, like too much. Like like TikTok is just
Speaker 4: like a billion hours of nothing, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: apparently there's some good stuff on there. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I hate TikTok.
Speaker 3: Heude. I love it personally, It's one of my favorites. Dude,
Speaker 3: I can I can stay going down a you know,
Speaker 3: a rabbit hole over there as long as you like
Speaker 3: type in the search bar what you're looking for, then
Speaker 3: you prevent yourself from stumbling across information you don't really
Speaker 3: care about. But yeah, Kara said, I would assume it's
Speaker 3: got to be about respect. Darkness is not equal to evil,
Speaker 3: contrary to what the world wants to put on it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's something you know, I always talk about
Speaker 4: when people bring up evil. You know, it's like can
Speaker 4: you even define what evil is? You know, like are
Speaker 4: wolves evil or lion's evil or alligators evil? You know,
Speaker 4: this is just like everything's a part of creation, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a an ecosystem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think they use that term dark you know,
Speaker 5: every time they're just trying to explain something that they
Speaker 5: don't fully understand. You know, as far as as far
Speaker 5: as you know, the cosmos go, there's like the cosmic web,
Speaker 5: and everything's kind of expanding in a manner that almost
Speaker 5: as though there's something connected to everything, you know, And
Speaker 5: they call that dark matter because they just they know
Speaker 5: it's it's there, but they can't quite figure out what
Speaker 5: it is or why it is. It's like a placeholder term,
Speaker 5: so it's dark matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see that dark matter was another like ad hoc
Speaker 4: thing that they just kind of threw out there because
Speaker 4: you know, observation wasn't matching theory. So instead of going
Speaker 4: back and maybe reinvestigating the theory, they just threw something
Speaker 4: together that it makes sense.
Speaker 5: And to be honest with you, I kind of think
Speaker 5: that whatever that is, because they don't know what it is,
Speaker 5: I think it ties into everything that we talk about here,
Speaker 5: the metaphysics, and you know, it has something to do
Speaker 5: with what makes everything possible.
Speaker 3: I mean it could be the etheric grid.
Speaker 5: Mm. Yeah, I mean I don't know. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: it seems to connect everything together, and so I mean
Speaker 5: we call ourselves the one you know, it's like that's that,
Speaker 5: you know, But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's all like the Silver Court attachment or some shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nick said, what's y'all's opinions on dejav vu? What is
Speaker 3: your opinion on dejeu vu?
Speaker 5: Byron?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, you know, when when I was a kid,
Speaker 4: especially and it still happens now, but when I was
Speaker 4: a kid, it was like every day but I would
Speaker 4: like wake up and uh and dream what was going
Speaker 4: to happen to me throughout the day, you know, and
Speaker 4: there would always be like these key things that I
Speaker 4: would always try to like change or change the outcome of,
Speaker 4: and I never could uh so, So I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: I've had profound experiences with it, and uh, it's it's
Speaker 4: but that experience as a kid kind of I have
Speaker 4: my doubts about free will, and I lean more towards destination.
Speaker 3: Oh it's your destiny, destiny. Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's
Speaker 3: pretty inter I actually, I kind of I don't know,
Speaker 3: just with how my mind operates, especially these days, I
Speaker 3: almost look at deja vu in the same sense of synchronicities,
Speaker 3: you know, like the how how we would look at
Speaker 3: a synchronicity, like whatever your special number is or whatever
Speaker 3: is special to you, and it always just so happens
Speaker 3: to that you're able to catch it, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: one to eleven or eleven eleven or four forty four
Speaker 3: like Nick or anything like that. It's always like just
Speaker 3: almost like a reminder that this place is not as
Speaker 3: grim and just only physical as as you once thought.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a reminder that this is there's so
Speaker 3: much more to this in a sense, and some people,
Speaker 3: you know, just chalk that up to a coincidence, which
Speaker 3: is really sad because it can be a special thing.
Speaker 3: But you know, just going off of like what you know,
Speaker 3: Bashar says, it's like it's all meaningless up until you
Speaker 3: apply meaning to it. And I think that that's really
Speaker 3: you know, and I could be wrong, maybe that's just
Speaker 3: a woo woo way of looking at it, but I
Speaker 3: think that it's it's all just subtle reminders that this
Speaker 3: is a temporary thing, so don't get too caught up
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So me, like, I think dejevo is either like
Speaker 4: remnants of our past life or has something more to
Speaker 4: do with predestination, you know, like the events are just
Speaker 4: playing out the way they're supposed to play out, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I go back and forth with that. As far
Speaker 5: as the predestination thing. Yeah, dejah vou is one of
Speaker 5: those things that it makes you it forces you to
Speaker 5: think that way. You know, it's like this must have
Speaker 5: happened already, and if so, then did I have a
Speaker 5: choice upon arriving here. You know.
Speaker 4: It's one of those like loaded like theosophical debates or
Speaker 4: whatever like conversations you can. It's it's such a loaded
Speaker 4: thing to debate about, you know, predestination or free will. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and I'd like to think that there's some
Speaker 4: free will, like with enough hard work, and discipline. You know,
Speaker 4: if you get really good at magic and psychic development,
Speaker 4: you and you fortify your will power and have a
Speaker 4: connection with your higher self and everything. Like I would
Speaker 4: like to think you would at least be able to
Speaker 4: achieve moments of free will.
Speaker 3: I mean I like to think about it, you know,
Speaker 3: to pull a line from Joe Dirt, it's like I
Speaker 3: like to see homos naked. I mean I like to
Speaker 3: you know, like to see what it's like. A life
Speaker 3: is what you make it kind of situation. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean I think that it's all about like how
Speaker 3: you look at the world. It's always going to interact,
Speaker 3: you know, according to how you're like through the lens
Speaker 3: that you're looking at it like it works with you
Speaker 3: kind of thing.
Speaker 4: That's that's life of life of garden. You did you
Speaker 4: make it work?
Speaker 3: Dig it. So moving on, Britain said, I'm thinking if
Speaker 3: demons are closer to our density, that might be why
Speaker 3: they work faster, because they are more at our level
Speaker 3: versus an angel that would be at a higher density.
Speaker 3: It would take more work for them to shift down
Speaker 3: the energy to our realm to help us. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: this is actually goes into the conversation of the Oh,
Speaker 3: it was the red shift in the blue shift conversation
Speaker 3: that we had, which essentially is about you know, like
Speaker 3: the idea of blue shifting for humans would just be
Speaker 3: about raising your frequency so that you know, the angels
Speaker 3: or the higher level entities would be able to match
Speaker 3: you and they wouldn't have to go down so far.
Speaker 3: Whereas you know, if you were red shifting and angels
Speaker 3: would have to red shift or it's back one of
Speaker 3: the other ones. I can't remember which way, but that
Speaker 3: angels would have to red shift, which you know, kind
Speaker 3: of lower their energy or whatever to be able to
Speaker 3: meet us in the middle. And conversely the other way
Speaker 3: that we would have to lower ourselves i e. Fear depression, anxiety,
Speaker 3: w whatever, in order to be able to communicate with
Speaker 3: the underworld or the lesser the density entities. What do
Speaker 3: you think about that?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, yeah, I totally think so. Yeah. With the
Speaker 4: with with the angels, I mean it almost there's times,
Speaker 4: especially like when you're new to working with them, there's
Speaker 4: times where it almost doesn't even feel like they're in
Speaker 4: the room with you, you know, But then you'll start
Speaker 4: noticing changes in your appearance and changes in your life
Speaker 4: and everything, you know, So and that's another big thing. Man,
Speaker 4: if you're not picking up on the spirit or you're
Speaker 4: having trouble, just go through the motions like it's there
Speaker 4: with you and close it out because chances are you're
Speaker 4: just not picking up on it, you know, or you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what brit says, or it means that you're here,
Speaker 3: but you're not really from here. And that's that's the
Speaker 3: conversation rate there, right, like, because so many people are
Speaker 3: attached to this human body and that's how they believe
Speaker 3: that that's who they are. Meanwhile, everybody understands this is
Speaker 3: only a temporary thing and that obviously you like, I mean,
Speaker 3: and this is where it gets a little convoluted, because
Speaker 3: were you alive before you were born as a human
Speaker 3: and are you going to be alive after you die
Speaker 3: as a human. But if we are to believe that
Speaker 3: we are spiritual beings, and you know, energy can't be
Speaker 3: created or destroyed, only transferred at that point, getting a
Speaker 3: little thermodynamics there, but like, if that's for real, and
Speaker 3: I believe that it is, then you know, it's all
Speaker 3: about kind of like what you're vibing with at that point, like,
Speaker 3: do you see yourself strictly as a human, then then
Speaker 3: maybe you're you're limited on the different magical things that
Speaker 3: you can do. Whereas if you see yourself as more
Speaker 3: than just that, as the soul or as the energy,
Speaker 3: as the spirit or whatever, then maybe you would be
Speaker 3: a little bit more inclined, a little bit more successful
Speaker 3: to be able to work with the higher level entities.
Speaker 4: I don't know, just ever tell you guys this story
Speaker 4: when I had my memory of dying and incarnating into
Speaker 4: this life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe he went over that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is a car crash or something, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I died in a car crash. It looked like
Speaker 4: a late seventies model car. And I remember just being
Speaker 4: in a lot of pain. I think I was upside down.
Speaker 4: There was parts of me hanging out that shouldn't be
Speaker 4: hanging out, you know. And uh and I remember, like, uh,
Speaker 4: at this, I'm like three years old when I had
Speaker 4: this dream, like three or four years old. It's partly
Speaker 4: closer to like two or three, because like I said,
Speaker 4: like I wasn't even in kindergarten. Yeah, but uh, but
Speaker 4: so in this dream, you know, I'm beat up and
Speaker 4: getting a car I think the car came out of nowhere,
Speaker 4: ran me off the road or something one of those situations.
Speaker 4: And uh, I was in so much pain, and I
Speaker 4: remember asking God, like, all right, if if I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna make it, can I at least like not suffer
Speaker 4: as much? I know, you know, and so you know,
Speaker 4: like if I'm not gonna make it, just take me, now,
Speaker 4: you know. And then everything it wasn't like I saw
Speaker 4: a light. It was like everything dissolved into this white
Speaker 4: golden light and it has everything materialized, like I guess
Speaker 4: de materialized into the white golden light. All the matter
Speaker 4: went away. I started going up and then I'm up
Speaker 4: in like a just like a like a black void,
Speaker 4: and there's just this wall of like a golden light,
Speaker 4: and it's everywhere and it's really imposing. Uh and uh
Speaker 4: and I remember being there before, right, I remember being
Speaker 4: there several times before.
Speaker 6: And uh.
Speaker 4: And then I looked behind me to see what was
Speaker 4: behind me, and I see like a silver light that's
Speaker 4: kind of further away, almost like a tunnel, and I
Speaker 4: wasn't sure which way to go, and I hear some
Speaker 4: voices calling for me down in the silver light. And uh,
Speaker 4: so before before this happened though, like, so I'm not
Speaker 4: sure which way to go. So then I try to
Speaker 4: remember my past life, because my life just flashed before
Speaker 4: my eyes before this happened, right parts of it. And
Speaker 4: so I try to remember my past life and it
Speaker 4: was already e RaSE like the mind the mind wife
Speaker 4: happens right away.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: So so I heard these voices down the silver Light
Speaker 4: and then I decided to kind of just kind of
Speaker 4: creep over there, like maybe I could get a closer look,
Speaker 4: and I got sucked into it, and then I yelled
Speaker 4: at myself, don't fucking forget this time. And then I
Speaker 4: wake up in the car and I'm like, forget.
Speaker 5: What that's a trip.
Speaker 4: So so I think the silver light is the reincarnation trap,
Speaker 4: and I think the golden light takes you back to
Speaker 4: source or whatever is on the other side of that end.
Speaker 4: But I had this realization associating it with the Tree
Speaker 4: of Life in Cabala. I think it was after the
Speaker 4: Cult of Conspiracy interview that I did. I think it
Speaker 4: was like right after that, but I started thinking of
Speaker 4: the Tree of Life glyph. So I started thinking associating
Speaker 4: the silver Light with the moon being the reincarnation trap
Speaker 4: and the sun being the we're turning you back to source.
Speaker 4: But if you look at the Tree a Life glyph
Speaker 4: on the on the other so basically, let's just say, like,
Speaker 4: let's just put my spirit where the bar going in
Speaker 4: between Venus and mercury is. Can you put the tree
Speaker 4: a life Requie Jonathan?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 3: The what is it called, like the Cephyarroth or some ship?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Just tree of life? Yeah, yeah, Cabala tree of life,
Speaker 4: the basic glyph that everyone knows with all the sphears
Speaker 4: and everything. Right, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Got you here.
Speaker 4: And so I started thinking like, okay, if the silver
Speaker 4: light is uh the reincarnation trap, uh, there we go.
Speaker 3: Oh God, come on now, come on back. All right,
Speaker 3: that was not or we're just gonna stick with this
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: Okay. So the earth is molku down the very bottom right, yes,
Speaker 4: so it is the moon that's like right above it.
Speaker 4: So let's put my soul in that bar going right
Speaker 4: in between hood and nachiak or whatever you know as
Speaker 4: mercury and Venus. I'm just doing with the planets, gonna
Speaker 4: make it easy, okay. So got the Earth, you got
Speaker 4: the moon, then you have Mercury and Venus going parallel
Speaker 4: right there. Then you have the sun, and on the
Speaker 4: other side of the Sun is like keither, which which
Speaker 4: would be like the head of God. Right, So I
Speaker 4: started thinking associating. I've been associating that the bright light
Speaker 4: of the sun for a while and the silver light
Speaker 4: with the moon for a while, and and I almost
Speaker 4: think they have it mapped out here, because, like I said,
Speaker 4: if it is associated with the moon, that silver light,
Speaker 4: and it is the immediate reincarnation trap, look where the
Speaker 4: moon is, and it just fast passed straight down to
Speaker 4: the earth, right and then if you look at the Sun,
Speaker 4: it would be a fast track straight to the head
Speaker 4: of God. So I kind of had that.
Speaker 3: Huh, which one's the sun? What is it called?
Speaker 4: Right there in the middle right here?
Speaker 3: Gotcha?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so duh right up here. That was kind of
Speaker 4: added later a little bit.
Speaker 3: But the individuality, Yeah, it's not a real suffrath.
Speaker 4: It's like it's kind of weird. But that'll also take
Speaker 4: you to the night side, you know. But uh but yeah,
Speaker 4: but I totally had that kind of realization that the
Speaker 4: the glyph right there could be almost encoding the whole
Speaker 4: reincarnation cycle. You know.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's interesting that the sun would be represented by
Speaker 3: Michael and the moon would be represented by Gabriel.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow because whenever you did that, because the last
Speaker 3: time you were on we did that, uh, the the
Speaker 3: meditation where essentially you were guiding it and you called
Speaker 3: on the different cardinal directions and then the different angels
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and Michael and Gabriel. For for
Speaker 3: me specifically, was like I felt that, you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't just my mind, it was just I let go
Speaker 3: and I felt a full on presence whenever you mentioned
Speaker 3: both of those.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was the way he was chanting it as well.
Speaker 5: That really did something.
Speaker 3: Oh we're gonna have to get weird again tonight Byron
Speaker 3: you down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do it again.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, So so I had that uh, that realization man, Uh,
Speaker 4: it was I think it was a right after that
Speaker 4: Cult of Conspiracy interview. I think it was right after
Speaker 4: that that I had that realization with the with the
Speaker 4: Tree of Life associating with the Tree of Life.
Speaker 3: Are you saying that we opened up your third high
Speaker 3: over there, sir? Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, something happened. It just it just popped in my
Speaker 4: head like it was like right after right after I finished. Man,
Speaker 4: it was like right after I got up, I was stretching,
Speaker 4: ah man, sitting down for like two or three hours,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that I think that one was
Speaker 4: like three and a half hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, take for a bit over there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's not crazy to go for
Speaker 3: three over there. But you know, and that's I love
Speaker 3: those episodes for the opposite reason that I love meta mysteries,
Speaker 3: Like they're so different. Like me and Sean, it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna take something and try and go
Speaker 3: as deep as we possibly can with it, and there's
Speaker 3: no hold ups, there's no stick ups. It's just like
Speaker 3: we're working together to really try and understand it. Whereas
Speaker 3: over with Jacob, I mean, I can't even get to
Speaker 3: a checkpoint without being checked, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He has a very intense personality. Smart guy, though, dude, Joey,
Speaker 4: smart motherfucker, absolutely smart dude, you know, oh yeah, smart guy.
Speaker 3: He makes me think, And to be honest, I love that.
Speaker 3: Like that's my favorite part about The Cold is that
Speaker 3: it makes me think, especially like earlier, for example, we
Speaker 3: did an episode with The Cold and it was about
Speaker 3: some kind of gassing type of situation that was going
Speaker 3: on in Illinois back in like nineteen forty or something
Speaker 3: like that, and he was thinking that it had to
Speaker 3: have been the Nazis that were coming over to America
Speaker 3: and gassing certain people's houses and stuff. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, just think about it, like for the
Speaker 3: numerology and the propaganda that was also going on around
Speaker 3: at that point. And he had mentioned about how thirty
Speaker 3: three people got gassed in their house and over the
Speaker 3: span of twelve days, and the news articles all said
Speaker 3: that that it was thirty three people over the span
Speaker 3: of twelve days, and it just kept on saying. I
Speaker 3: was like, dude, I'm telling you, every time they go
Speaker 3: with that type of numerology, it has to be something.
Speaker 3: And so then I started looking up, like, all right,
Speaker 3: what is the symbolism with thirty three and twelve whenever
Speaker 3: combined like that? And then of course it has to
Speaker 3: get a little kabbalistic, because Jesus lived to be thirty
Speaker 3: three years thirty three years old, there's thirty three vertebrae,
Speaker 3: there's thirty three levels within freemasonry and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But then you look at the twelve. It's the fucking
Speaker 3: twelve apostles, So of course they're playing there together, you.
Speaker 4: Know, twelve signs of the Zodia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And so I was like, of course that's
Speaker 3: an occult thing. How are you not seeing it? That's
Speaker 3: screens two.
Speaker 4: And the thirty three is associated with the sun, which
Speaker 4: Jesus is also associated with the sun, you know, So yeah,
Speaker 4: thirty three the solar lunar cycle, the solar eclipse cycle
Speaker 4: is that thirty three years. And the Quran is really
Speaker 4: heavy on the number nineteen, and that's why you have
Speaker 4: like nineteen hijackers flight nineteen, flight ninety one OVID nineteen,
Speaker 4: and that's associated with the moon because the moon's ecliptic
Speaker 4: cycle is nineteen years and so and you also look
Speaker 4: at you know, the sun, right, so you have the
Speaker 4: our calendar on the winter solstice is twelve twenty one,
Speaker 4: which is thirty three, and then the spring equinox is
Speaker 4: three twenty one, which is thirty three, you know, and
Speaker 4: then when you look at like Jesus being in metaphor
Speaker 4: for the sun. Everyone knows like this from you know,
Speaker 4: like zeitgeist and stuff, but it's still true, you know.
Speaker 4: So like uh on this in the northern hemisphere, as
Speaker 4: the sun begins to work its way from the equator
Speaker 4: down to the tropic of Capricorn, it gets lower and
Speaker 4: lower and lower and lower on the horizon as it
Speaker 4: gets further away from us. And on the twenty first,
Speaker 4: it reaches its lowest point and then it kind of
Speaker 4: sits there for about three days and then.
Speaker 5: It goes up one that resurrects.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why you have. The sun dies for three
Speaker 4: days and is resurrected, and we sell and we celebrate
Speaker 4: the resurrection on Easter, which is the first Sunday after
Speaker 4: the first full moon after the spring equinox, you know.
Speaker 4: And when we associate, when we associate Jesus with like
Speaker 4: the lamb of God, that's like the aries. That's that's
Speaker 4: that's the lamb of God. That's the first uh, that's
Speaker 4: the first month in the solar year is aries. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We're just gonna let you cook right now. That was
Speaker 5: great in the kitchen.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so yeah, you know, how do we get
Speaker 4: into that. I don't know what we were originally talking about, man.
Speaker 3: We were talking about the Tree of life and then
Speaker 3: the gas oh oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty three, Yeah, thirty three, and then nineteen with
Speaker 4: the moon. The Koran's really big on nineteen, the Bible's
Speaker 4: really big on thirty three, you know. So, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: the sun and the moon.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just repurposed information, is really all.
Speaker 4: It is another interesting thing, you know, And this is
Speaker 4: something that Zeitgey's kind of got wrong a little bit.
Speaker 4: And I think Peter Joseph did it because it was
Speaker 4: like the first time this information was being brought out.
Speaker 4: I think he tried to make it really really easy
Speaker 4: because it gets really convoluted because because not everything's in
Speaker 4: apples apples comparison, but it's clear that's based on the
Speaker 4: same principle. But uh so, so he talks about Horror
Speaker 4: is dying and resurrecting, having twelve followers and stuff, but
Speaker 4: really Horace was the resurrection of Asirius, you know. So
Speaker 4: a cyrus is chopped in the thirteen parts, which which
Speaker 4: leaves twelve parts that are discarded. The thirteenth part is
Speaker 4: this phallus, which which isis used to impregnant yourself to
Speaker 4: give birth the horus. So that's where you have like
Speaker 4: the twelve signs plus the erection, which is the resurrection.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, you know, I have this in the conversation,
Speaker 3: but I.
Speaker 4: Think I think Nimrod in the Bible though, has a
Speaker 4: similar thing where it gets like chopped up, but instead
Speaker 4: of gettingchoppedup in the thirteen because you get chopped up
Speaker 4: in the nineteen pieces. So I want to start looking
Speaker 4: into that a little bit, associating like again with with
Speaker 4: the moon and the Qur'an dude I nineteen.
Speaker 3: You know, whenever it comes to especially like you know,
Speaker 3: ancient Egyptian kind of stuff like that, when you get
Speaker 3: into Isis, Osiris, Horus and Thoth and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: do you think that like those people back in those
Speaker 3: days that were let's just say, for a lack of
Speaker 3: a better word, worshiping these these gods and these deities,
Speaker 3: do you think that they looked at it as literal
Speaker 3: or do you think that they were more in tune
Speaker 3: like spiritually working with the energies of said uh mythological
Speaker 3: god or both?
Speaker 4: Uh? It depends. You know, like part of me thinks
Speaker 4: that that was something that the priests class, that the
Speaker 4: higher echelons knew and understood, you know, where uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the lesser, the unwashed masses, the unclean masses probably didn't know,
Speaker 4: you know, who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lesser initiated probably took me.
Speaker 4: But the thing with the Pagan pantheon, it's a lot
Speaker 4: it's a lot more obvious with the Pagan pantheon that
Speaker 4: these are metaphors, you know, for the skyclock and as
Speaker 4: a result, the whole creation, because everything comes from the sky,
Speaker 4: you know, everything down here so.
Speaker 3: Well, especially the Greeks, right, I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 3: they were like looking at Hercules as a literal thing.
Speaker 3: It had to have been something.
Speaker 4: You know, going back to the solar messiahs. Hercules is
Speaker 4: another one. Prometheus gets punished by Zeus. He gets chained
Speaker 4: to that rock. It's fairly similar to the really similar
Speaker 4: to the Crucifixion. Instead of getting stabbed in the liver
Speaker 4: by a spear, he's getting his liver eaten out every
Speaker 4: day by Zeus, who's in the form of an eagle. Hercules,
Speaker 4: instead of having twelve apostles or getting his body chopped
Speaker 4: up into twelve pieces, they get discarded. He performs the
Speaker 4: twelve labors of Hercules to free Prometheus. And what was
Speaker 4: Prometheus punished for for bringing the giving humanity? The fire?
Speaker 4: Of the gods. So that's where you have this thing
Speaker 4: where he like was basically changed to a rock really
Speaker 4: symmeto a crucifixion. He basically was crucified and suffered for
Speaker 4: man's redemption.
Speaker 3: So they were literally eating his livery.
Speaker 4: You said, uh, yeah, Zeus was in the form of
Speaker 4: an eagle eating out his liver.
Speaker 3: That is very like a cultic too, if you think
Speaker 3: about it like symbolic, I'll say, because if you look
Speaker 3: at the eagle as a whole, you know, especially within astrology,
Speaker 3: you got the scorpion and then it rises, you know,
Speaker 3: raises its kundleini and then it turns itself into an eagle.
Speaker 3: So that way, it's not a bottom dweller and it's
Speaker 3: looking from a higher perspective. And so if that's if
Speaker 3: that was the case, and then you compare that to
Speaker 3: the eating of the flesh essentially what Jesus was saying,
Speaker 3: eat of my flesh and drink of my blood. It's
Speaker 3: like a what was it called not communion, damn the Eucharist.
Speaker 3: And do you do you think that that's like a
Speaker 3: correlation there, like maybe that that same story, like that's
Speaker 3: maybe that's where the whole idea of the Eucharist started.
Speaker 4: Uh probably, I mean even looking at you know, sorry,
Speaker 4: it's being broken up into all these little parts, you know.
Speaker 4: Uh so, yeah, probably. And you know, the thing with
Speaker 4: the Greek myths too, was Prometheus was the Greek god
Speaker 4: that was tasked with creating humans. So he was basically
Speaker 4: the savior of man. God. He was the one that
Speaker 4: created us, and then he pays this ultimate sacrifice for
Speaker 4: our salvation, you know. And you'll get Hercules as being
Speaker 4: the Sun having to go save them, has to go
Speaker 4: through all the constellations to save them.
Speaker 3: It's all just astro theology at this point, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, and there could be some history in there too,
Speaker 4: like with the Bible of the Koran, because a part
Speaker 4: of it does read like a history book, and there
Speaker 4: could be stuff that's dn't in there to look at.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think Christians need to start investigating the Quran more.
Speaker 3: You know, really why you say that, I mean, just the.
Speaker 4: Way the Bible is all big on the number thirty three,
Speaker 4: and the way we see that in all these psychologa
Speaker 4: logical operations are pulling off, and how it's associated with
Speaker 4: the sun, and the way the Quran talks about the
Speaker 4: number nineteen, And the Kuran actually tells you to go
Speaker 4: and go look for the number nineteen. Investigate this. They're
Speaker 4: lying about history, they're lying about this. Go and go
Speaker 4: look for yourselves. What yeah, so and so you look
Speaker 4: at you know, and the number nineteen it's it's like
Speaker 4: it's in every conspiracy, even more than the number thirty three.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, that makes so much sense. I didn't know that
Speaker 3: the Koran was on some shit like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, but both books, I mean, they've been
Speaker 4: translated a few times, mistranslated a few times. You know,
Speaker 4: you gotta keep you know, you gotta be real careful
Speaker 4: with what you want to hold onto when you read those.
Speaker 4: But but I do think I think Christians need to
Speaker 4: start investigating the Kuran, especially the truthers. No but or not,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, they're not exactly easy books to read.
Speaker 5: So I imagine, yeah, well, very interesting that being said.
Speaker 5: As far as the moonlight and the sunlight, one being
Speaker 5: the reincarnation, the other one the strict path to God,
Speaker 5: which one are you guys doing? Because I think I might,
Speaker 5: I think I might take the ride again, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 3: I thought about this recently.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, if there's a slim hope that I can
Speaker 3: remember even half of a percent about my previous life,
Speaker 3: i'lbeit through deja vu or synchronicity or something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's really not that bad here, once you
Speaker 3: get the hang of it, you know what i mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: For the longest time, I was like, I'm done with
Speaker 4: this place. I'm going back, you know. But now, but
Speaker 4: now I start thinking, you know, like think about what
Speaker 4: I learned in this life, Like, imagine what one more
Speaker 4: ride could do?
Speaker 5: Oh dude, you know.
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, fuck, dude, Like what if that?
Speaker 4: What if that doesn't happen? Though? What if I'm like
Speaker 4: retarded or something. You know, You're.
Speaker 5: Gonna be happy all the time. You're not even gonna
Speaker 5: have to worry about that.
Speaker 4: It'd be really good supply grill chy sandwiches, I'm good.
Speaker 5: And chocolate mouth dude, chicken nuggets. It would be good
Speaker 5: to go, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, cutting cutting stuff with safety scissors.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 3: I actually had a thought about this too, as far
Speaker 3: as like reincarnation goes I and and tell me if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong or I'm just I like to theorize and
Speaker 3: philosophize about all this kind of stuff as far as
Speaker 3: reincarnation goes. Is it possible that the reason we don't remember,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, why most people don't remember where they
Speaker 3: came from is because the previous incarnation or the previous
Speaker 3: way we were living was so different compared to this
Speaker 3: that it doesn't even necessarily apply. The rules are totally different,
Speaker 3: and maybe the density was a little bit different, and
Speaker 3: you know that knowledge isn't going to help you over
Speaker 3: here kind of thing, because if you think about it,
Speaker 3: that's the same way that like dreams and you know,
Speaker 3: uh DMT trips or mushroom trips are It's like you
Speaker 3: feel like you're taking on so much knowledge and so
Speaker 3: much information, but it's hard to really apply geometric fucking
Speaker 3: symbolism into this life in a sense. And so maybe
Speaker 3: it's like your mind really old, only holds on to
Speaker 3: what is like necessary. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Ever since that dream, which is
Speaker 4: like three years old, you know, I've been thinking about
Speaker 4: this like a lot throughout my life, and I have
Speaker 4: no idea, you know, like it's to me, it seems
Speaker 4: like a it seems kind of bunk to me that
Speaker 4: we don't remember our lives and why we're here, you know.
Speaker 4: And I guess that's probably part of the game. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but I just feel like it would I
Speaker 4: feel like it would have been a lot easier to
Speaker 4: make certain decisions if you remember the mistakes you made
Speaker 4: in your past lives.
Speaker 3: But or if you were allowed to live longer, like
Speaker 3: if we didn't have to tap out at a maximum
Speaker 3: of one twenty, if we can live like fucking Methusla
Speaker 3: to nine hundred years old or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, if we were like twenty five years
Speaker 4: old for like a hundred years, that'd be great.
Speaker 5: So wise, you know, and the people before you, you know,
Speaker 5: as wise as they are teaching you stuff as you're
Speaker 5: coming up, dude, Like it would be just exponential as
Speaker 5: far as you know, how wise we would all be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, you know, now there's a real issue
Speaker 4: that you know, with inoculations and diet GMOs and you know,
Speaker 4: all the processed foods. You know, like people are are
Speaker 4: losing their uh their mental capacity younger and younger ages.
Speaker 4: Now you know, people are going more senilean dementia and
Speaker 4: pre dementia, and yeah.
Speaker 3: It's uh and losing themselves through anxiety, which is ultimately
Speaker 3: just a disconnection from what you truly are if you
Speaker 3: really think about it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, anxiety and depression, Yeah right.
Speaker 5: Right, they're feeding into those thoughts that aren't even you.
Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes die but sometimes diet you know
Speaker 4: it can cause that stuff too, you know. And so yeah,
Speaker 4: it's uh because because now people's like minds are kind
Speaker 4: of starting to fade. You know, fifty sixty years old,
Speaker 4: and uh, that's not a lot of prime years, you know,
Speaker 4: where you're like healthy and young and capable and ambitious.
Speaker 4: It's not a lot of years.
Speaker 3: I feel like, whenever I'm fifty, I really have a
Speaker 3: pretty damn good grasp on what's going on here. I
Speaker 3: hope that I don't die at that age. That would suck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's my goal to be as young
Speaker 4: and healthy for as long as possible. You know.
Speaker 3: There you go, Yeah, dude. So when we me and
Speaker 3: Sean we had previously talked on the on the most
Speaker 3: recent episode about getting you on here, we kind of
Speaker 3: wanted to dive into what are some possible like simple rituals.
Speaker 3: Do you do like any kind of simple rituals? An
Speaker 3: example of that would be, like I learned that if
Speaker 3: you put like a drop of honey in your coffee,
Speaker 3: that it's gonna make your day sweet as long as
Speaker 3: you go with that intention kind of thing. Is Is
Speaker 3: there any like kind of simple rituals that you do
Speaker 3: on a daily basis that maybe you don't even you know,
Speaker 3: it's just just part of your your daily thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, not too different than what you're
Speaker 4: talking about. But I'll I'll bless spiritually, like clean and
Speaker 4: bless my food and drink a lot. I do that
Speaker 4: a lot, you know. So that's a big one.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's something you can try with your coffee
Speaker 4: when you before you put the cinnamon in it, like
Speaker 4: like bless and clean it and then put the mean
Speaker 4: sugar put the sugar or honey in it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've also been told that going winter shins
Speaker 3: or counterclockwise is uh is better to stir your coffee
Speaker 3: in the morning. I don't know, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: getting in the flow of just the flow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I uh, I guess like if I'm cooking like
Speaker 4: a pot of food or something, I'll stir it really
Speaker 4: like at a steady pace, you know, without clanking on
Speaker 4: the edges, and then I'll bless it and then really
Speaker 4: clean it and kind of use of divine words of
Speaker 4: power and stuff while I'm doing it. And uh so,
Speaker 4: uh so do you say you're told to go winter shins?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I believe it's because if you look at
Speaker 3: a lot of the the the spiral like things that
Speaker 3: are within nature, whether it be shells or just certain
Speaker 3: flows of water and stuff, that it's always usually like,
Speaker 3: uh counterclockwise.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I wonder if that has something to do
Speaker 4: with why Mecca they walk counterclockwise around the Kaba?
Speaker 5: That can be I think that I think came up
Speaker 5: too because.
Speaker 4: I was always wondering like, why did they what do
Speaker 4: they walk withter shoons? You know, why they walk counterclockwise?
Speaker 4: I was always wondering.
Speaker 5: That it makes mirroring nature?
Speaker 4: Yeah, makes sense?
Speaker 3: What makes sense? You had to go with the flow
Speaker 3: of what everything else is already doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even though everything goes clockwise over the earth, it
Speaker 4: still makes sense to me. It's like flowers and everything
Speaker 4: that's coming manifesting down here is counterclockwise. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good point. So all right, well I think
Speaker 3: that you know, we're probably gonna wrap it up here.
Speaker 3: And uh, Sean, do you have a card?
Speaker 5: Pold sir, Oh, I have too, if that's okay. So
Speaker 5: I got the Ace of wands, get and the two
Speaker 5: of one's.
Speaker 3: Oh, right next to each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the two of one's is very interesting looking.
Speaker 3: The ace of wands and the two of ones. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're back to back. So uh the Ace of Wands,
Speaker 3: the gift of creation is presented from divine be open
Speaker 3: to exciting new possibilities. The Ace of Wands brings the
Speaker 3: gift of a new beginning rooted in passion and creativity.
Speaker 3: The hand of the Divine emerges from a cloud, offering
Speaker 3: a single wand of visionary inspiration sprouting green leaves. Beneath
Speaker 3: the wand is a lush landscape that includes a castle,
Speaker 3: peaceful river, and a handful of fertile trees. This scene
Speaker 3: depicts stability, prosperity, movement, and the current of emotions that
Speaker 3: propels you forward, supporting a new venture, and the spiritual
Speaker 3: message behind it says when travel and adventure. When travel
Speaker 3: and adventure opportunities present themselves, embrace them. Beginning a health
Speaker 3: or fitness routine will bring renewed confidence and excitement into
Speaker 3: your life. This is an ideal time to take action
Speaker 3: on goals or creative projects that you've been thinking about.
Speaker 3: So stay open to divine inspiration. So basically the key
Speaker 3: meaning to this card would be inspiration and creativity and
Speaker 3: new beginnings.
Speaker 5: Yeah good, Why I keep pulling it? Man? You know
Speaker 5: the taro's like, uh, loose a mite heavy, Yeah, do something.
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's almost like the fool card if
Speaker 3: you think about it. It's a new beginning and maybe
Speaker 3: it's just another chapter.
Speaker 4: Yeah. All all of the ones are basically new beginnings,
Speaker 4: you know, and then the twos are like a fork
Speaker 4: in the road or decision you have to make.
Speaker 3: You're on one because it says the upright key meanings
Speaker 3: to the two of One's is choice. So that's interesting.
Speaker 3: So it says a choice to expand your world awaits
Speaker 3: do you stay with what you know or choose the
Speaker 3: unknown adventure. The two of Wand's card is an invitation
Speaker 3: to ponder the future. A man looks out onto the
Speaker 3: vast expanse of land from a position high up in
Speaker 3: his luxurious castle. He he has already established his position
Speaker 3: of stability and now he craves adventure. One wand is
Speaker 3: securely anchored to the castle walls, showing his efforts to
Speaker 3: build his fortune, while the other wand is held above
Speaker 3: his head. In his other hand, he holds a globe
Speaker 3: as if to save the world is in his hands.
Speaker 3: Where will he go next? The two of Lan's signals
Speaker 3: an opportunity to plan for the next exciting phase and
Speaker 3: an already rich and full life. The spiritual message behind
Speaker 3: it is weigh your options before making a big decision
Speaker 3: and heed intuitive guidance in your decision making process. You're
Speaker 3: making plans and taking your goals to the next level
Speaker 3: and phase of life, which is exciting. Your life continues
Speaker 3: to be enriched when you follow a spiritual path and
Speaker 3: explore new directions. So, uh yeah, choice and future plans
Speaker 3: and also the numerology of two equals choice or partnership.
Speaker 5: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean speaking of you know, the new beginnings
Speaker 3: and possible possible partnership. You did start a church and
Speaker 3: you may have new apostles, So.
Speaker 5: Got one more time.
Speaker 3: I got to plan many seeds, and you know not
Speaker 3: all of them are gonna sprout. He's got to make
Speaker 3: a suggestion suggestion, you know, that's all. Yeah, dude, Byron,
Speaker 3: do you have a like a website or anything for
Speaker 3: your church yet?
Speaker 4: No, not yet, but uh, but but that's that's the plan,
Speaker 4: you know, because I don't want especially for the church proper.
Speaker 4: I don't want just a website, want a forum to
Speaker 4: you know, community. But as long as I have a newsletter,
Speaker 4: you know, that'll be fine. But it would be nice
Speaker 4: to have a an actual community, you know. I could
Speaker 4: do that on like Telegram or something else, I guess.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, when you get that going, man, just let
Speaker 5: us know. Dude. Yeah, I will be out there and
Speaker 5: let the one know.
Speaker 3: When when are you when are you thinking about whenever?
Speaker 3: Like the next steps of actually starting the Patreon and
Speaker 3: starting the the basically internet church at that point, Like
Speaker 3: when when do you plan on starting that?
Speaker 4: Uh? Probably before the end of the year.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Yeah, we'll definitely.
Speaker 4: But I have a lot of stuff coming out. I
Speaker 4: have a bunch of new products, uh coming out. Uh
Speaker 4: one one for become a Living God publishing company, and
Speaker 4: then I have more machines for uh myself and uh
Speaker 4: Jscarrett dot Net and uh and then uh I'm talking
Speaker 4: with someone later this Yeah, so I got I got
Speaker 4: a few things going on. Uh, some things I don't
Speaker 4: want to talk about quite yet until more into the
Speaker 4: fruits of being manifested, you know, the ball going a
Speaker 4: little more. But yeah, I got a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: going on first.
Speaker 3: So but uh, you're a busy man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, I'm gonna be releasing some really beefed
Speaker 4: up machines here pretty soon. And uh yeah, so so
Speaker 4: so the first thing I got knocked down is uh
Speaker 4: the publishing company become a Living God. And then and
Speaker 4: then I yeah, yeah, I have like six more machines
Speaker 4: and were putting out pretty soon. Uh so I yeah,
Speaker 4: so I got a lot going on as far as
Speaker 4: that new stuff.
Speaker 5: But perfect.
Speaker 3: So as far as that become a living God, You're
Speaker 3: you're saying that you you're starting a publishing company.
Speaker 4: No, that's a colleague of mine. Uh uh uh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be building some machines for them. Oh, just like
Speaker 4: for you know that I do for j S.
Speaker 3: Oh perfect.
Speaker 4: So, but the the ones for U become a living
Speaker 4: God are like very specific for them, you know. It's uh,
Speaker 4: they're the only ones that have those ones. So okay,
Speaker 4: very very special. I don't I don't. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I'm at liberty to talk about it yet, but uh,
Speaker 4: but uh, I'll talk to you guys after the show.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you about after the
Speaker 3: show too. I just can't right now, Okay, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess we'll wrap it up right there. We'll get
Speaker 3: over to Lord Byron's Guided Meditation, which is always so
Speaker 3: much fun. It was a good time, yeah, dude, So
Speaker 3: thank you Byron for joining us on this one. It
Speaker 3: was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Brother.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, I guess with that being said, if
Speaker 3: Lord Byron Jester came here and he taught you anything,
Speaker 3: it's that you don't know what you don't know, So.
Speaker 5: Don't just get weird, stay weird inside.
Speaker 2: You mine ordinary for behind color, soul, the stars, line in.
Speaker 4: The mental mysteries you're finding. They're just sitting and relaxed
Speaker 4: for a second. Like exhale, feel all your muscles, relax,
Speaker 4: feel the muscles in your face, relax, take slow, deep breaths.
Speaker 4: Fill your stomach up like a like a balloon, like
Speaker 4: really fill your stomach up with all that air. And
Speaker 4: when you slowly exhale, excel all that air out of
Speaker 4: your stomach in hell and again, release all your muscles,
Speaker 4: release the tension in your face. Just take a few breaths,
Speaker 4: and every time you excel, just go deeper into relaxation. Okay. Now,
Speaker 4: imagine a white golden light about three to four feet
Speaker 4: above your head. Feel that light shining down on you.
Speaker 4: Visualize an empty sphere right above the crown of your
Speaker 4: head that kind of goes into the crown of your
Speaker 4: head about an inch or two. Now, as we take
Speaker 4: a slow deep breath, see that white golden light from
Speaker 4: above your heads, from the heavens coming down and fill
Speaker 4: that sphere with that white golden light. Take a few
Speaker 4: deep breaths as you inhale, just feel it fill up
Speaker 4: with that white golden light. Now, for this one, we're
Speaker 4: gonna vibrate the name elo heme and we're gonna pronounce
Speaker 4: it a low heme. So take a slow, deep breath,
Speaker 4: feel the light from heaven coming down and filling that
Speaker 4: sphere with that white golden light. And now We're gonna
Speaker 4: vibrate the name low sh And then as we vibrate
Speaker 4: that name, like really visualize and see that sphere of
Speaker 4: white golden light that you're filling up right at the
Speaker 4: crown of your head, not just filling up, but getting
Speaker 4: brighter and activating. Take another slow deep breath, bringing that
Speaker 4: light from heaven into that first sphere of right at
Speaker 4: the crown of the head. I'm gonna vibrate alo him
Speaker 4: again one more time. Hellow Okay, So now we're gonna
Speaker 4: take a few deep breaths. Now, visualize another empty sphere
Speaker 4: right where your throat is. It kind of goes up
Speaker 4: into the mouth a little bit maybe an inch below
Speaker 4: the collarbone, but an empty sphere right where your throat is.
Speaker 4: And now as we take a slow deep breath, as
Speaker 4: we inhale, visualize that white golden light from the heavens
Speaker 4: coming down through the first sphere right the crown chakra,
Speaker 4: coming right through that into the empty throat chakra chakra,
Speaker 4: but the sphere and the throat, and bring that white
Speaker 4: golden light down to fill up that sphere in your throat.
Speaker 4: Take a slow deep breath, build it up with that
Speaker 4: white golden light and now we're gonna vibrate the name
Speaker 4: yode Hay, bob hay, slow deep breath, fill it up
Speaker 4: with that white golden lion yo head.
Speaker 6: Bob Hey, take another slow deep breath, fill it up
Speaker 6: with that white golden light.
Speaker 4: And this time, don't just fill it up with that
Speaker 4: white golden light, really fill that light, intensify and active
Speaker 4: yo head ball one more time. Yoh, okay. Now visualize
Speaker 4: an empty sphere right where your heart center is. And
Speaker 4: now as we take a deep breath, we're bringing that
Speaker 4: white light, that white golden light down from the heavens,
Speaker 4: down through the first sphere of the crown chakra, fully
Speaker 4: let up and activated, through the spine down to the
Speaker 4: sphere at the throat, fully lit up and activate it.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna pass that and go right into this
Speaker 4: empty sphere in the heart and we're just gonna fill
Speaker 4: it up with that white golden light. So take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath, fill it up, and this time we're gonna
Speaker 4: vibrate the name. A hey yay m.
Speaker 7: A hey yah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fill it up that white golden light and really
Speaker 4: fill it, intensify and activate. Oh and looks and do
Speaker 4: it one more time, and the heart center is a
Speaker 4: really important one. So this time when you activated and
Speaker 4: you feel it intensified, like really feel it come out
Speaker 4: of your heart and almost fill the whole room, your
Speaker 4: whole aura, slow deep breath and okay, now visualize you
Speaker 4: have a empty sphere right in your stomach, just a
Speaker 4: few inches like maybe three fingers above your navel, an
Speaker 4: empty sphere right there. So you're gonna take a slow
Speaker 4: deep breath and again bring that white gold and lie
Speaker 4: down from the heavens through your the sphere on your crown,
Speaker 4: fully lit up and activated, down through your spine to
Speaker 4: your throat, fully lit up and activated, down the spine
Speaker 4: right to your heart, fully lit up and activated, and
Speaker 4: down into the empty sphere right in your stomach, right
Speaker 4: around where your liver is. Take a slow deep breath.
Speaker 4: Fill it up with that white golden light. And this
Speaker 4: time we're gonna vibrate the name of God, oh ad,
Speaker 4: don't name. So take a slow deep breath. Fill it
Speaker 4: up with that white golden light.
Speaker 7: Uh do, Take a slow deep breath, deal it up
Speaker 7: with that white golden light, and this time really fill it,
Speaker 7: light up, intensify and activate. Uh uh, just slow deep breath,
Speaker 7: bring that white light down through the center column.
Speaker 4: Fill up the stomach one more time. Okay, now we're
Speaker 4: gonna have visualized and empty sphere like right where the
Speaker 4: grond is, where your root chakra and saquerel chakra are.
Speaker 4: And again we're gonna breathe in. We're gonna bring that
Speaker 4: white golden light down from the heavens through the first
Speaker 4: sphere at the crown of our head, down through the spine,
Speaker 4: through the second sphere in the throat, down the spine
Speaker 4: to the third sphere in the heart, down the spine
Speaker 4: to the fourth sphere in the stomach. All of these
Speaker 4: are gonna be lit up right activated. And then we're
Speaker 4: gonna bring it down past that and fill up an
Speaker 4: empty sphere right in the growing area. So take another
Speaker 4: slow deep breath, fill it up with that white golden light.
Speaker 4: And now we're going to vibrate the name of God
Speaker 4: aga lat Take a slowly breath, Oh God, take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath. Fill it up with that white golden light.
Speaker 4: Oh ah, one last time, I really feel it intensify
Speaker 4: and activate. Take a few deep breaths, and bring that
Speaker 4: white golden light all the way through the heavens, all
Speaker 4: the way down your central channel through all of those
Speaker 4: spheres we just activated all the way down into the earth.
Speaker 4: I feel that white golden light as you breathe in
Speaker 4: in goal for your whole body, maybe about three feet
Speaker 4: four foot diameter around you. I'll start breathing in that
Speaker 4: white golden light, slow deep breath through every single pore
Speaker 4: in your body. So breathe in this white golden light
Speaker 4: omni directionally through every pore in the bow. Now we're
Speaker 4: gonna take a few of those deep breaths and bring
Speaker 4: that white golden light. Concentrate it to right at the
Speaker 4: base of the spine. Now as we take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath, we're gonna bring that white golden light from
Speaker 4: the base of our spine, from the tailbone, all the
Speaker 4: way up our central channel, going up the spine. And
Speaker 4: then as we exhale, it's gonna break the crown in
Speaker 4: cascade and waterfall around your whole aura. Take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath, slowly bring it up the spine. H exhale
Speaker 4: waterfall and cascade all around you, this white golden light.
Speaker 4: Take a deep breath, bring it up the spine, exhale
Speaker 4: waterfall all around you. And this time the next couple
Speaker 4: of times we do this, Let's really pay attention and
Speaker 4: feel for any type of energetic blockages and do your
Speaker 4: best to break through those blockages. So take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath, exhale. Do that a few more times. Okay,
Speaker 4: So now we're gonna call on the angels in each
Speaker 4: of those spears with the elements. So the first one
Speaker 4: we're gonna call on is gonna be Metatron at the crown,
Speaker 4: and then it's gonna be Raphael for air at the throat,
Speaker 4: Gabriel for water at the heart, Michael or meek Iel
Speaker 4: at the stomach or the liver for fire, and er
Speaker 4: A L at the in the grind for Earth. And
Speaker 4: so it's just gonna be white for Metatron and the
Speaker 4: spirits of Ether, yellow for Raphael and the spirits of Air,
Speaker 4: blue for water for Gabriel and the spirits of Water,
Speaker 4: red for meek i L and the spirits of Fire.
Speaker 4: And uh, I think, just for now, I think green
Speaker 4: will do for the Earth. Some people will do brown
Speaker 4: green or like a hazel kind of color. Let's just
Speaker 4: do green at the groin for her A L and
Speaker 4: the spirits of Earth. Okay, so we're just gonna take
Speaker 4: a slow, deep breath, feel that first sphere at the
Speaker 4: top of the crown. But the white light. Now we're
Speaker 4: just gonna vibrate Metatron's name, Man Troe. When more time
Speaker 4: filling with the white light, Man Troll. One more slow
Speaker 4: deep breath developed that white light, Man.
Speaker 7: True.
Speaker 4: Now take a few deep breaths and visualize Metatron right
Speaker 4: above your head, and we're just gonna do a short
Speaker 4: little invocation for him in the spirits of ether. So
Speaker 4: take a slow, deep breath. Visualize Medatron right above your
Speaker 4: head with a bunch of protective spirits all around him,
Speaker 4: all around you. I'm just gonna call upon I call
Speaker 4: upon Metatron, the guardian of the heavens. Open up your gate,
Speaker 4: and with the spirits of bay Thor flow through me.
Speaker 4: Now for this for the next four I guess it'll
Speaker 4: be good to know what direction you're looking. If you know,
Speaker 4: we're northeast, south and west there. If not, just do
Speaker 4: your best. So now we're gonna breathe in, and then
Speaker 4: as we exhale, we're gonna feel the sphere in the
Speaker 4: throat up with a yellow light. And this is going
Speaker 4: to have the characteristics of air. So as we've begin
Speaker 4: to activate it, make sure you really hone in on
Speaker 4: the element of air and you know intelligence, clairvoyance, communication,
Speaker 4: all those airy attributes. So take a slow, deep breath,
Speaker 4: fill that sphere up with the yellow element of air.
Speaker 4: And now we're gonna vibrate Raphael's name. M h. Grow.
Speaker 4: Really feel that air element intensify.
Speaker 7: Raw.
Speaker 4: Now with this one almost filled, the whole room, fill
Speaker 4: up with the air element. Grow. Now, if you know
Speaker 4: which the cardinal directions are, which way you're facing, Visualize
Speaker 4: Raphael standing in the east with the air flowing all
Speaker 4: around them, the yellow color and the air flowing all
Speaker 4: around them, with a bunch of the spirits of air
Speaker 4: all around you protecting you. And now we're just gonna
Speaker 4: do a quick little invocation. I call upon Raphael, the
Speaker 4: Guardian of the yeast, open up your gate and let
Speaker 4: the spirits of air flow through me. Okay, So now
Speaker 4: we're going down to the heart. We're gonna fill it
Speaker 4: up with the blue light for the element of water.
Speaker 4: And as you begin to activate it, really hone into
Speaker 4: those water attributes and motion intuition, the astral realm uh
Speaker 4: feminine principles. Take a slow, deep breath, fill that sphere
Speaker 4: up with the blue light. And now we're gonna vibrate
Speaker 4: the name gabriel Go breathe, y know, let water intensify.
Speaker 4: Take a deep breath, make that blue light brighter, stronger,
Speaker 4: more activated. God breathe. Ah. Now we're gonna do one
Speaker 4: more time, and this time, when we vibrate Gabrielle's name,
Speaker 4: fill the whole room, fill up with the elemental powers
Speaker 4: of water, that blue light, emotions, intuition, national projection, feminine
Speaker 4: like a deep breath.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 4: Now visualize the archangel Gabrielle standing in the west with
Speaker 4: a bunch of that water element behind him, and all
Speaker 4: around him the spirits of the water. They're protecting you
Speaker 4: and filling the room. I call upon gabriel the Guardian
Speaker 4: of the West, open up your gate, and let the
Speaker 4: spirits of water flow through me. Okay, so now we're
Speaker 4: gonna come down to the stomach. This time we're gonna
Speaker 4: be channeling the fire element, says you take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath, fill it up with that fiery red light
Speaker 4: and really holding in on the fire element like willpower,
Speaker 4: you know, force, masculinity, you know, like really focus on
Speaker 4: those fire elements. And for this one, we're gonna vibrate
Speaker 4: the name Michael, which is meek l. Take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath. Fill it up with that bright red fiery light,
Speaker 4: me god, m hm. Take a deep breath. Fill it
Speaker 4: over that bright red light. And as we vibrate Michael,
Speaker 4: really feel that light intensify me ca mm hmmm. And
Speaker 4: this time field that fire like fill the whole room.
Speaker 4: Feel that creative force, destructive force will power might courage
Speaker 4: me ca it. Take a few breaths. Visualize Michael standing
Speaker 4: in the south with a bunch of the fire element
Speaker 4: and the color red all behind him. Fill in the room,
Speaker 4: and a bunch of the elemental spirits of fire all
Speaker 4: around you, protecting you. I call upon Mikail, the guardian
Speaker 4: of the South. Open up your gain, Let the spirits
Speaker 4: of fire flow through me. Okay, now focus on the
Speaker 4: sphere right at the groin. I'm gonna take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath. We're gonna fill it with a green light.
Speaker 4: And this time we're gonna vibrate the name er ree l.
Speaker 3: Er h.
Speaker 4: M hm. Take a slow, deep breath, feel that light.
Speaker 4: Really intensify that green light m hm. Can do that
Speaker 4: one more time. This time we're gonna fill the whole
Speaker 4: room up with the color of green and the Earth
Speaker 4: element you could probably visualize like trees and vines everywhere.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna charge that sphere one more time. Er,
Speaker 4: take a few slow, deep breaths and visualize the archangel
Speaker 4: Aeriel standing in the north, the color green behind them,
Speaker 4: the Earth element behind him, that grounding fertility, prosperous energy,
Speaker 4: a bunch of Earth spirits filling the whole room and
Speaker 4: protecting you. I call upon our Reel, the guardian of
Speaker 4: the North. Open up your gate and look the spirits
Speaker 4: of Earth flow through me. Now we're gonna hold on
Speaker 4: to all of the angels. We're gonna visualize all the
Speaker 4: angels in their cardinals, in their directions, protecting us. To
Speaker 4: take a few deep breaths, we're gonna vis you know,
Speaker 4: we got Metatron and the spirits of ether looking down
Speaker 4: on us from the heavens protecting us. We have Raphael
Speaker 4: in the ease with the spirits of air protecting us,
Speaker 4: Gabriel in the West with the spirits of water protecting us,
Speaker 4: meek I l in the South with the spirits of
Speaker 4: fire protecting us, ere Al in the North with the
Speaker 4: spirits of Earth protecting us. Not just visualize pentagrams right
Speaker 4: in front of all of these angels of white golden
Speaker 4: light right side of pentagrams, and we're just gonna banish
Speaker 4: any negative energy that's still upt in the room. So
Speaker 4: just visualize the archangels and creating those pentagrams all around you,
Speaker 4: one in each cardinal direction, and we're just gonna say
Speaker 4: about me flames the pentagram the way you profane, and
Speaker 4: just visualize any leftover negative energy in the room just
Speaker 4: being expelled, banished from sight. The whole room's filled with
Speaker 4: a white golden light now, so now really see that
Speaker 4: white golden light from the beginning of the meditation from
Speaker 4: the heavens filling the whole place. And we're just going
Speaker 4: to breathe in that white golden light through every poor
Speaker 4: in the body. And as we do this, every breath,
Speaker 4: feel that white golden light expand further out past your body,
Speaker 4: out past your aura. Fill the whole room just fills
Speaker 4: up with this white gold and purifying light above me
Speaker 4: shines the sixth rates. Darter, Maybe this temple be blessed
Speaker 4: and made pure, so mould it be? Okay, take a
Speaker 4: few deep breaths and really take in that white golden light,
Speaker 4: make sure the whole room is purified by this point.
Speaker 4: If you feel confident with this, you might be able
Speaker 4: to expand it even further and clean your whole house
Speaker 4: or your whole apartment and just fill it with the
Speaker 4: white purifying light. Okay, So now we're going to do
Speaker 4: a really simple but short exercise from Basic Psychic Development
Speaker 4: by John Fried Lambert. It's actually the very first exercise
Speaker 4: in the book. I believe what we're going to do
Speaker 4: is we're going to try to get rid of a negative,
Speaker 4: stored emotion that we're holding on too from our past.
Speaker 4: So I want you just took a few deep breaths,
Speaker 4: and I want you to try and think of a
Speaker 4: time when something gave you like really bad anxiety, or
Speaker 4: think back when like a negative emotion at a time
Speaker 4: of a situation where you felt really negatively about it.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't have to be a big one at first.
Speaker 4: You can start off with something small, you know, like
Speaker 4: maybe you were rude to someone you shouldn't have been
Speaker 4: rude to. Maybe someone was rude to you and they
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been rude to you. But just recall a
Speaker 4: simple basic memory from your past that you're still holding
Speaker 4: on to. That's giving you anxiety and possibly holding you back. Okay,
Speaker 4: So as we breathe in, breathe in that white golden
Speaker 4: light again through every pore in the body, and as
Speaker 4: you breathe in, try to think of what there was
Speaker 4: to learn from that situation, What you what? What you
Speaker 4: what you've learned from that situation. So take a slow,
Speaker 4: deep breath, taking all the knowledge and wisdom that was
Speaker 4: gained from that event or could be gained from that event,
Speaker 4: And as you excel, you're just gonna release it and
Speaker 4: let it go and get rid of it. It takes
Speaker 4: a slow, deep breath breathing that white golden light, think
Speaker 4: about all the wisdom and knowledge, everything that was to
Speaker 4: learn from that event, And as you excel, you're just
Speaker 4: gonna let it go and fill that out of your event.
Speaker 4: Just go away, Just get it out of your aura,
Speaker 4: get it out of your energetic body. You then fill
Speaker 4: your whole aura up with that white golden light. Really
Speaker 4: purify all of that, think about all the knowledge and
Speaker 4: wisdom with the gain from it. And as you exhale,
Speaker 4: you're just gonna banish all that negative energy, all that
Speaker 4: stuff you're holding on to that you don't need to
Speaker 4: banishing it for good, banishing it from your aura, from
Speaker 4: your energy body. Just do this a few more times.
Speaker 4: I can feel some things not wanting to let go
Speaker 4: my golden light, knowledge, wisdom, everything that you've learned. Exhale,
Speaker 4: just banish it. Okay, I can still feel something holding
Speaker 4: onto someone out there. Let's really try to get it
Speaker 4: out this time as we inhale. Instead of bringing that
Speaker 4: white lighte from every poor in the body, let's bring
Speaker 4: it down from the heavens, that white golden light, and
Speaker 4: we're just gonna have it push out any negative energy
Speaker 4: all through our or take it a deep breath and
Speaker 4: just feel any of that gunk chain shackles, it might
Speaker 4: be a cord or a rope attaching you to that event.
Speaker 4: To take a deep breath, and we're just gonna force
Speaker 4: all that stuff out down through our legs and then exhale,
Speaker 4: banish it. Take another deep breath, bring that white golden
Speaker 4: light all the way down for your crown and force
Speaker 4: any of that negative energy. Really pay attention to your
Speaker 4: or where it is, get it all the way out,
Speaker 4: all the way down to your feet. The next hell,
Speaker 4: and banish it for good. We're gonna do that one
Speaker 4: more time. You banish it for good. You can a
Speaker 4: few slottle deep breaths. Purify your aura, Purify your own
Speaker 4: if you're savvy enough, purify your house. Just breathing that
Speaker 4: white golden light. Purify everything. Exhale, get rid of everything.
Speaker 4: Take a few deep breaths. Okay, yeah, I think I
Speaker 4: think that's good, man. I think whoever was holding onto that,
Speaker 4: I think we got got it out and I feel
Speaker 4: a lot better. I just better turn my camera on.
Speaker 5: I kind of feel like I should deep, dude, I
Speaker 5: kind of.
Speaker 4: Feel like I should have had the camera on. Man. Like,
Speaker 4: halfway through it, I was like, man, but I didn't
Speaker 4: want to turn it on on. Halfway through it, I
Speaker 4: kind of felt like I should have had the camera on. Dude.
Speaker 5: Oh that's all good, dude. That was to us where
Speaker 5: we needed to go. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just got to say, like, whenever you
Speaker 3: were calling upon the angels and stuff like that, I
Speaker 3: was like, God, I love your Byron.
Speaker 5: Yeah good thinking the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could. I could feel it activating in other people,
Speaker 4: you know. That's why when I was doing the last part,
Speaker 4: breathing out that that negative attachment to that, to that
Speaker 4: memory to the moment I could feel someone having trouble
Speaker 4: getting rid of it, so.
Speaker 3: That might have been me I was having because I
Speaker 3: wanted to go to the deepest, darkest, most like level
Speaker 3: yeah from childhood, you know, which is usually the darkest stuff,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Like that uh, that meditation man with the angels and stuff.
Speaker 4: Because you're packing the room full of spirits. And you know,
Speaker 4: if you do like a like a spell or something
Speaker 4: after that, or an evocation or something, it's so much
Speaker 4: more powerful, you know, because you got so you know,
Speaker 4: you just packed the room with spirits. You got rid
Speaker 4: of all your junk holding you back. You know, all
Speaker 4: your psychic senses are basically starting to activate, so you're
Speaker 4: a lot more in tune magically. So it's a good
Speaker 4: one man. And and you know it's it's universally, you know,
Speaker 4: you can swap out the angels for like the Greek gods,
Speaker 4: or you just gotta you just gotta associate the elements
Speaker 4: with it, or or the demons.
Speaker 5: Or oh yeah, definitely, I definitely felt the sense that
Speaker 5: this room was was not just me in here, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. I definitely had that sense like
Speaker 5: the room got a little more crowded, you know, in
Speaker 5: a good way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt the same way. That was, man, that.
Speaker 5: Was so good. Like I'm still trying to come back.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you. I feel like Neo using
Speaker 5: his eyes for the first time, you know, yeah, what
Speaker 5: my eyes hurt, So the first time you're using them,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's like coming out of a d
Speaker 4: MT trip. You know. It's like you know, you're back
Speaker 4: to normal and you're out of that realm, but you
Speaker 4: still feel like one foot in, you know, still kind
Speaker 4: of got that all going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, noh, ship dude, damn thanks man. That was great, man.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 5: Quite a service.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought I thought about like cleaning the ore
Speaker 4: again and sending it all back to the senders, but
Speaker 4: I thought the shadow Work one was probably more important.
Speaker 4: Something told something, something told me to do that one.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's the thing that that we just
Speaker 5: intuitively avoid, you know, it's just you don't want to
Speaker 5: go there, you know, But I think that we needed
Speaker 5: to go there, man. So I appreciate you you calling
Speaker 5: that out man, and making that judgment call, because that was, uh,
Speaker 5: that was wonderful. Man. I feel pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Byron, you are the man, and uh I
Speaker 3: think next time will definitely not be three months from now.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, you know, uh that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Let let me talk to uh uh the guy I'm
Speaker 4: uh going to be building those machines for, because I
Speaker 4: think we should get him on, because because because he's uh,
Speaker 4: he's colleagues and friends with JS and Lighton and all
Speaker 4: those guys, you know. So so we're all kind of
Speaker 4: like in the same circle, even though I'm like the
Speaker 4: new guy, you.
Speaker 5: Know, but that sounds interesting. Yeah, yeah, all the guys
Speaker 5: you've brought on, you know. Yeah, the past man, it's
Speaker 5: been pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: He's probably asleep now, but I hit him up tomorrow. He's
Speaker 4: here in Utah too, He's down in southern southwest Utah.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we're We're available every Monday and Wednesday night.
Speaker 3: We have our said, our schedule, uh schedule set for
Speaker 3: every Monday and Wednesday night. So whatever one best for
Speaker 3: you and him, then we have that up.
Speaker 4: See. See. I like that, you know because like the
Speaker 4: closest things the patrons that I have, So Mondays for
Speaker 4: the moon, Wednesdays for Mercury, right, and uh, Hecatay and
Speaker 4: Hermes are like my favorite spirits to pretty much work with.
Speaker 4: Hecitay and Hermes says the moon.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people were Mercury lately.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, she's super popular. Left hand path and right
Speaker 4: hand path people like her, so she's pretty marketable like that.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He's a triple headed goddess? Is that the one that
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's also a double headed single headed version, but yeah,
Speaker 4: triple head of goddess.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 4: So people are kind of rass.
Speaker 3: Someone is that? Like Mother mad and Crone also encompassed
Speaker 3: within that.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's different than I think. It's
Speaker 4: more like the uh, like the trifle, crossworlds like the
Speaker 4: like like a heaven, Earth and the underworld.
Speaker 5: Interesting interesting within that meditation, dude, I started to see like,
Speaker 5: and it's happened to me before, but this was like
Speaker 5: a lot more interesting than usual. I kept seeing these
Speaker 5: three things popping into my field of view, and it
Speaker 5: was like at one point they were like one would
Speaker 5: pop in and then the other one would dissipate. This
Speaker 5: one would pop in, and then there was another one
Speaker 5: the the other lower corner that would pop in it
Speaker 5: was just like kept going like that. It was almost
Speaker 5: like they were trying to present themselves to me in
Speaker 5: some sort of way to let me know that there
Speaker 5: was some sort of intelligence it's behind it, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. I don't know. I couldn't tell what
Speaker 5: I was looking at, but there was a there was
Speaker 5: three of them.
Speaker 3: There's something magical about just the resonance whenever you're humming
Speaker 3: like that, like oh yeah with the uh what is
Speaker 3: it the Gateway tapes. It's about the resonance whenever you're
Speaker 3: like syncing up and especially you know, hearing you hum
Speaker 3: in my micro or in my headphones and then me
Speaker 3: humming along with you. It's like almost like an echoe
Speaker 3: and internal hum resonating at the same time. I thought
Speaker 3: that was really cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I like to do it pretty slow and kind of
Speaker 4: basy too, you know. I think that kind of helps,
Speaker 4: but you can tell. Like the first one I did,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's a little too fast. You
Speaker 4: gotta slow that down a little bit.
Speaker 5: That was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what you're doing Byron?
Speaker 4: Oh? Thanks? Yeah, it's fun, man, it's fun. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, uh, like playing music or something.
Speaker 3: You know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well all right, Byron.
Speaker 3: I mean this was awesome, dude, and uh, we'll definitely
Speaker 3: make it happen again. And uh, for anybody that wants
Speaker 3: to be able to reach out to you, we'll have
Speaker 3: your links, uh down the show notes. And yeah they
Speaker 3: want to come and check out your store or anything
Speaker 3: like that, we'll have that down there.
Speaker 4: Oh sweet. And uh yeah, if you'd like to make
Speaker 4: a taxiductible donation to my religious nonprofit.
Speaker 5: A church, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I gotta I just yeah, I gotta get that going.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I got so many products that I'm releasing
Speaker 4: right now, and a couple of them need a little
Speaker 4: bit of research and development first.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well get some game that's cool. Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 3: all right, guys, Uh until next time, we'll see you
Speaker 3: all on the flip side.
Speaker 4: But guys, all right.
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