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See website for details. 57 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:45.680 Oh Radio, you are now listening to True Murder, the 58 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.240 most shocking killers in true crime history and the authors 59 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:55.599 that have written about them. Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker, Dck. 60 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:00.319 Every week another fascinating author talking about the most talking 61 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.520 and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with 62 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:08.080 your host, journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 63 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:22.599 Good Evening the Peernox cast the impression of being a 64 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.000 very well to do and content family even after the 65 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:30.599 separation of Richard and his wife. But madness was contained 66 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.960 inside this house, and one night Richard Piernoch came to 67 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.639 kill his wife and daughter, brutally beating them, force feeding 68 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.639 them alcohol, and placing them together in a car which 69 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:43.199 he let drive into a wall so that it would 70 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:47.919 seem like a drunk driving accident. What Richard Piernock didn't 71 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.280 foresee was his daughter's survival and her willingness for the 72 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:55.680 first time to describe in detail her father's psychosis and 73 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:02.319 his manipulative personality. What's a success once, I say a 74 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.719 successful whistleblower? Pearnock denied his involvement in the murder, claiming 75 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:11.479 a conspiracy against him on all levels, confounding the justice system, 76 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:17.079 hiring and firing lawyers representing himself, saying everyone was against him. 77 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.560 After numerous tense trials, Peernock was finally sentenced to life 78 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.680 in prison, though those close to him still live in fear. 79 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.439 The book that we're featuring this evening is a checklist 80 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:34.519 for Murder with my special guests, journalist and author Anthony Flacco. 81 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:36.759 Welcome to the program, and thank you for agreeing to 82 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.519 this interview. Anthony Flacco, Thank you, Dan, it's very nice 83 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.519 to be here. Glad you could make it. Finally we 84 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.439 have you on the program. And let's first talk about 85 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.439 that this book when it first came out, and then 86 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.959 after when you told us when this book first came out, 87 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.240 Can you tell us how you came to be the 88 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.560 author of this what drew you to this case? 89 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.199 And I published this book. Sorry. I published this book 90 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.439 originally twenty years ago through Dell Books, and it was 91 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:12.639 very well received and sold a lot of copies, and 92 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.279 I sold a screenplay version of it to NBC Films, 93 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.480 And the book was just sort of cooking along until 94 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.439 it got to the twenty year anniversary. And I've done 95 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.480 other books in the time since that had done well. 96 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.279 So published your contacted me and wanted to buy out 97 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:32.439 the rights and reissue it again, which they've done, and 98 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.639 that's Diversion Books who brought out this new version. And 99 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.879 I've written a new afterward which sort of catches everybody 100 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.920 up with what's been going on since this case was resolved. 101 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:51.319 Great, now, let's unlike the book where you started at 102 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:55.360 a different point. Let's talk about Robert Pirnack before we 103 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.040 get to the story itself. Very much unlike the book, 104 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:02.600 but let's talk about his his background. You talk about 105 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.399 him being in an engineer and at the Department of 106 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.959 Water Resources, so this is where a lot of this begins. 107 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:12.000 So tell us a little bit Robert his background. 108 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.839 Well, he was sort of the original nerd early in 109 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.079 his career, and he did well with computers and technical 110 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:22.600 things in engineering type jobs. He had worked for a 111 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.399 while with a special effects company in Hollywood, rigging things 112 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:28.800 to blow up, and this is where he got his 113 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:33.040 expertise with explosives, with fuses and the timers of all kinds, 114 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:37.600 whether they're advanced or whether they're crude and homemade. He 115 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.240 then went to work using his computer knowledge for the 116 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.839 Department of Water Resources in California and did well there 117 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.439 on the technical level for a number of years. But 118 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:52.160 as he aged into his thirties, he just began developing 119 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:56.720 these personality traits that caught friction with everybody he was around. 120 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.800 It seemed impossible to stay on good terms with the 121 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:07.720 He was perpetually angry or offended or injured and seeking redress. 122 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:11.279 He became a kind of guy who constantly files complaints 123 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:15.120 on his coworkers and supervisors, and then over the last 124 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.759 few years before the crimes broke out, he started doing 125 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:24.439 his own jailhouse lawyer lawsuits against people inside the Department 126 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.240 of Water Resources as well as other private companies he 127 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:31.399 would come across in his private life and amassing all 128 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.439 this money from nuisance suits where he'd win a few 129 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.879 grand here and a few grand there to just go away, 130 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.000 and he started compiling this money. By the time the 131 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.279 crimes finally broke out at the end of the eighties, 132 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.480 he had over a quarter of a million dollars liquid 133 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.360 in the bank, as well as a number of real 134 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:52.319 estate properties, and virtually everything he had accumulated had come 135 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.240 through ill will and his tendency to sue everything that moves, 136 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.560 and that was before the crime started. 137 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.759 Now you talk about that there was some merit that 138 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:10.360 at least his argument before it seems that he becomes 139 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.680 more deluded, and you talk about illusion and delusion and 140 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:19.319 the fine line, and you talk about the lawsuits, but 141 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:24.680 talk about his wife, Claire and their relationship and what 142 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.720 was her role during this whole time. Was she supportive 143 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.159 in the lawsuits and was she behind her husband initially? 144 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.120 And talk about their relationship that they were. 145 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.240 You hit a good point with the illusion and delusion 146 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.960 phenomenon in Prenock's life because right some of his suits, 147 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.879 particularly his original lawsuits, I think he did find some 148 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.960 corruption and bid rigging in terms of the awarding of 149 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.320 state contracts to various contractors and vendors, and he was 150 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.480 complaining about that. But once he got the taste of 151 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:02.600 making quick and easy money by being righteously offended and 152 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:06.159 reporting things, that's when he began to see problems everywhere. 153 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.000 And as he got more and more lawsuits going, and 154 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.080 he had dozens of these things, he started in his 155 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.440 mind to group all of the people that were against 156 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.759 him in these lawsuits against him as if they were 157 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.879 a single force, as if they were some kind of 158 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.320 army of conspirators, and really it was just a collection 159 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.000 of defendants that he had slapped with private lawsuits. But 160 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.639 it became in his mind, me against the world, to 161 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.480 kind of mentality. And I've always thought this is Peirnock 162 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.159 was the last kind of person whoever should have gotten 163 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:42.399 into using civil law to create social change because of 164 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:47.720 his tendency to personalize things and personalize his anger, which 165 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.120 he did, and to create monsters of people who were 166 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.679 really just civil defendants. But he did, and he didn't 167 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.919 seem to have any ability to back off or moderate 168 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.360 the level of his response. Thing was always fought as 169 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.519 though you know, life itself depends on it. Even if 170 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.120 he wants somebody to just fix the stairway outside their 171 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.360 building because it made him trip and fall, you know, 172 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.240 And so the drama, the internal drama kept building up 173 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.399 inside of him. Now his wife, who originally was quite 174 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.440 a demure and supportive woman, it would have naturally taken 175 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:24.799 her husband's part if he's trying to get some to 176 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:30.279 right some wrongs using his legal expertise. But as his companion, 177 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.840 she also began to see he was farther and farther 178 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:37.279 from reality, developing more and more problems and feuds with 179 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.720 more and more people and organizations, and she just became 180 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.360 exhausted by it. At the end, she had completely dropped 181 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.159 out of all of his civil work, didn't even want 182 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.480 to hear about it anymore, and it all went on 183 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.639 just strictly on his own. In the background. He had 184 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:54.200 a big office in the house that he had crammed 185 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.960 with files, and that just sort of became the thing 186 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.720 that Robert does. Robert goes back to the office anytime 187 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:05.960 at work and pumps his lawsuits. So she just wanted out. Unfortunately, 188 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.240 by the time the crimes began, his own illness had 189 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.159 proceeded far enough that he now thought she was a 190 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.159 part of this great group of people that are against him. 191 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.720 And out to get him, and that somehow they had 192 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.919 gotten to his wife Claire and were using her as 193 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.919 an agent against him, sort of having her eyes and 194 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.559 ears inside his home. And when he decided that was 195 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:33.080 the case for whatever reasons, of course it was false, 196 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.639 that's when he began planning his murder attacks, which the 197 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:38.799 planning went on for months. 198 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:44.080 Now, let's talk about Natasha, his daughter, and you talk 199 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.559 about the relationship changing as well as the relationship with 200 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.279 Claire and her husband Robert, but also the relationship with 201 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.840 Natasha and her father. So tell us about this change 202 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.519 and what it initially started at and what had sort 203 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:00.039 of ended up as a relationship previous to these murders. 204 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:03.480 Of Well, this is something we just we want so 205 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.840 much for kids not to get caught up in and 206 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:09.559 just they do again and again and again in the beginning, 207 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.440 and I have the photos to prove it in the book. 208 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.919 She was daddy's little girl. She was the sweet little child, 209 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.519 and he carried her around his shoulders everywhere. I've got 210 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:20.200 a picture of her as a ten year old girl 211 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.720 at her confirmation. They were Catholics. They would just break 212 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:27.679 your heart. She's such a little beauty. But what happened 213 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.039 once she began to develop as a person and to 214 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:34.279 develop her own personality and opinions and started saying no 215 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.440 to Daddy. Then she joined the enemy because he could 216 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.879 no longer control her. The only way to have peace 217 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.200 with Robert Peirnack is to accept his control over you. 218 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:49.639 And then from the age of I don't know, around 219 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.200 ten or so, began this process of alienation to the 220 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.000 time by the time the crimes hit when she was seventeen, 221 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.279 they were completely estranged. And she told me that by 222 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.480 the time she was thirteen or fourteen, she already used 223 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.480 the word evil in thinking of her father. She wasn't 224 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.840 saying that to call him names or be mad at Daddy. 225 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:14.000 She was as a Catholic person expressing in her opinion, 226 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.039 what's the darkest thing a person can possibly be, which 227 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:21.360 is evil where you expect nothing good from you, expect 228 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.879 only trouble and tragedy from them, and it's terrible. But 229 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.399 she got that one spot on. I mean, she was 230 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.000 Sigmund Freud in understanding that her father, no matter how 231 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:36.120 good an image he could put up for people, or 232 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.519 for some reporter or for some camera, she understood all 233 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.919 that was just crap that what she had was a 234 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.879 demon in her house, an evil person. By demon, I 235 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.360 don't mean in a religious term, I just mean somebody 236 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.399 whose humanity is so twisted in perverse you can no 237 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:57.840 longer expect fair human reactions out of them. And so 238 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.360 she essentially from the time she was sixteen or so, 239 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.440 barely even went home except when she had to. She 240 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.960 had a list of friends that she could spend the 241 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.879 night with girlfriends, and she tended to hang with them 242 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.679 just for the point of avoiding her father. 243 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.559 Now there is evil that you talk about as emanates 244 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.559 in beatings. So Natasha from a young age gets to 245 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.120 see her father beat her. But you also include a 246 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.039 very dramatic example of what goes on in this home 247 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.799 when you talk about the twenty one days in traction 248 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.720 and what Natasha was forced to do and what she 249 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:38.799 did do to cover up this crime or prevent her 250 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.840 father from having any contact with police over this tell 251 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:42.840 us a little bit about that. 252 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.440 Well, she was still a young girl when she said 253 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.200 something that pissed off Daddy and a note she got 254 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.759 between Dad when he was going after mom, and for 255 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.399 her trouble, she was picked up and thrown against the wall. 256 00:14:55.559 --> 00:15:00.919 And it dislocated her arm, broke her shoulder, and they 257 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.519 then had to go to church and everywhere else and 258 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.759 say that she had fallen so as not to cause, 259 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.159 of course trouble with police, and not to embarrass the 260 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.879 family and humiliate everybody, mom and everybody else. And so 261 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:19.840 she did and kept up the story for years until 262 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.240 finally it all broke with the crimes. In fact, during 263 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.960 the trial, the defense attorney tried to make something out 264 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.720 of that, but because she had been forced to lie 265 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:30.440 about her own broken arm, this meant that maybe she 266 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.799 was lying in her testimony, and the jurorsis kind of 267 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.120 laughed that one off, because I think they understood that 268 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.039 she was a helpless girl. What was she going to 269 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.120 do if she didn't make dead happy. She already knew 270 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.320 what he did when he's not happy, and now if 271 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.120 you want him to be happy, you'd better tell this 272 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.120 lie that he has. So she told it. 273 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:55.720 Now. Robert is living with a woman named Sonya Siegel, 274 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.960 and she has her own place, and he has a strange, 275 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:04.840 real reationship with Claire that he's over at the house occasionally. 276 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.759 So you can tell us about that, but also tell 277 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:12.399 us about the agreement that they have that he talks 278 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:18.200 Claire into to delay the divorce, and okay, on the 279 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.240 premise of tell us explain that, because that's a very 280 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:21.759 important thing that we'll say. 281 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.440 Okay, well that's it's really two questions. Let me get 282 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.799 to Sonya first, who was really she was just a 283 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.919 young divorcee still still young, forty two or so, who 284 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:32.679 just wanted to have a good man in her life. 285 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.639 And Pearanock has the ability to project being a good man. 286 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.600 Sonia thought this was a guy whose wife had thrown 287 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.120 him out, and she took him in to her condo, 288 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.000 and she thought they were in love and they were 289 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.559 going to be married. So she was working that angle 290 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.480 of the street, having no idea of this second life. 291 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.960 Pear Knock entertained whereby he would, even though he lived 292 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.960 at her house, he would drop by the family home 293 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.200 whenever he wanted and stay as long as he wanted, 294 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.279 kind of start fights, caused trouble, whip everything up, and 295 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.360 then leave and go over to Sonya's. Again, this is 296 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.759 the condition things were in when the crimes finally broke out. Now, 297 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.319 when you mentioned this agreement, what had happened was Claire, 298 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.039 oh of almost a year before the crimes, knowing that 299 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.640 the divorce was just inevitable, had sought out a divorce attorney, 300 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.279 a female who her name was Victoria doomm It was 301 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.400 a great name for an attorney who would eventually come 302 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:30.519 up against Robert Pirnock too, But at the time all 303 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.960 she did was consult with her about a divorce and 304 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:38.960 Victoria said, okay, I'll get the papers ready. But before 305 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.680 they got the papers ready to go, Sonia called and said, no, 306 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.240 hold off on that. Robert has an agreement he wants 307 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.440 to be to sign, and if I do, he'll agreeed 308 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.559 to all these other demands that I have for the 309 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.480 next six months. And so she brought a copy over 310 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.720 to Victoria to look at, and thank goodness she did, 311 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.720 because that became a key piece of element of evidence. 312 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.240 What happened was by filing the divorce. By telling the 313 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.119 husband she was going to file divorce, it caught him 314 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.160 off guard with regard to protecting all these assets he'd 315 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.400 put together, and he wasn't about to split that with her. 316 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.599 So he came up with an agreement whereby in the 317 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:20.480 agreement's kind of heartbreaking too, he agrees not to hit her, 318 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:24.079 not to beat Natasha I mean, all these just basic 319 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.680 human things nobody should ever have to get anybody to 320 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.440 agree to. But they do, and they list it and 321 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.400 they sign it for a period of months, and he says, 322 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.799 if she'll just hold off on the divorce for those 323 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.759 six months, why then he'll go ahead and include her 324 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:40.200 in some of these businesses and things that would be 325 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:43.519 contested in the divorce. That's her motive for doing the agreement. 326 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.279 She'll get a better financial settlement and she only has 327 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.640 to wait another six months. But what happens is he 328 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:53.319 immediately begins planning to kill her before that six months 329 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.480 is up, because he knows once a divorce action starts, 330 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.759 he can't kill her, he'll be the first one arrested. 331 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.599 So he tries to use this time barrier that he'd 332 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.319 put in this padding of six months to give him 333 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:08.799 time to plan. Later, it was found he started making 334 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.799 checklists on things to do and things to find and 335 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.079 places to go regarding this murder almost immediately when they 336 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:16.279 got that agreement signed. 337 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:31.000 Now, let's talk about Natasha's friend Patricia. Okay, well we 338 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.680 can get to the day in question here, but okay, well, 339 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.839 well maybe I'm jumping ahead a little bit let's talk 340 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:41.559 about Natasha and the day she finds herself again with 341 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.039 her father and how what she normally would have done 342 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.240 under these kinds of circumstances Like you had mentioned. He 343 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.640 comes in ranting and raving and causing trouble and he's 344 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.079 allowed to do that. They have some kind of situation 345 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.960 where he's continually doing that. She's accustomed to that, Natasha 346 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.400 tries to avoid it. So tell us what happens on 347 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.759 the day question with this same kind of situation that 348 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:05.720 she seems to have seen before. 349 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.160 Okay, Well, she had been out with her her best friend, 350 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:14.480 Patricia Patty, and they she'd come home. Patty dropped her 351 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.880 off with her car because Natasha's had a flat or 352 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:20.480 something and she wasn't driving it, and Natasha had some chores. 353 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.079 She was supposed to go home. She was supposed to 354 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.000 move the lawn and do some laundry, and so she 355 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.279 was going to do all that and shower and change clothes, 356 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:29.079 and then Patty would come back at the end of 357 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:31.240 the afternoon pick her up and they were going to 358 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:35.119 go out dancing for the evening together. So Patty drops 359 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:39.039 her off. She sees Robert Pearlock's car in the driveway, 360 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.400 and Patty gets a bad feeling and says, Natasha, you 361 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:43.720 want me to come inside with you? I mean, I 362 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:45.359 know it's not safe in there with your old man 363 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.359 in there. Natasha goes, no, no, maybe he'll just turn 364 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.119 around and go home late in the day anyhow, So 365 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.880 Patty drops her off and she goes on inside. Now 366 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.200 Robert Pearlock's story is he had gone to the house 367 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.160 to go out to the backyard to repaint some bookshelves 368 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.319 that were there for whatever reason, but what he had 369 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.359 actually done was to set his plot in motion. Once 370 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:17.079 Natasha came into the house, he began berating her for 371 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.799 using too much electricity, and as Natasha says, it didn't 372 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:23.559 matter why he would start the argument that the point 373 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.160 was always just to give himself a reason to get 374 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:31.240 angry and lose his temper, which he did, And her 375 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.160 mistake was she said something wise ass back to him. 376 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:38.279 He was complaining that she left lights on, but then 377 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:40.759 he walked away and left the TV on the rooms, 378 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.519 and she called and says, oh, I guess you don't 379 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:46.799 really care about the electricity, do you, And that launched him. 380 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.400 He came flying across the room and tackled her and 381 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.319 knocked her to the floor, choked her nearly to unconsciousness, 382 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.559 then whipped out a hood he'd pulled from somewhere with 383 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:00.680 a rope on the bottom, and tied it around her neck, 384 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:03.799 completely covered her eyes and just had one little hole 385 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.680 for the mouth. And then he tied her hands behind 386 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.400 her and her feet, carried her into her mother's bedroom, 387 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:16.319 through on the bed, and left her there. And all 388 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:21.319 this time she's supposedly getting ready. How far do you 389 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:22.319 want me to go with the story? 390 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:24.559 Don't go ahead? 391 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:32.720 Okay, Well, Patty did come back, and she knocked on 392 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.559 the door. Nobody answers. And she went around and knocked 393 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:39.359 on the window Natasha's window. Nobody answers. And she knows 394 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:42.119 this is very strange. Robert Pear Knox's car is still 395 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:46.480 in the driveway. Natasha's undrivable car is still sitting there. 396 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:50.559 No one else has arrived, but no one's answering the door. 397 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.319 She knocks hard too. Now the house is not that big. 398 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.039 You knock hard on the front door, anybody anywhere on 399 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.960 the premises hears you. But nothing happens. As it happened 400 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.839 because she'd spent the night there a number of times 401 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.880