WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:05.000 Before we continue, we'd like to add a quick note 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:08.720 regarding the film Pink Flamingos. While it's often associated with 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.880 LGBTQ plus culture and underground cinema, viewing or enjoying the 4 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.800 film is not indicative of any particular sexual orientation. Additionally, 5 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:22.320 the co host on this podcast, Ryan identifies as heterosexual, 6 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:26.239 and his references to the film should be understand I'm sorry, 7 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:29.079 should be understood in that context as part of a 8 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:36.119 broader cultural conversation rather than a reflection of Ryan's sexuality 9 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:37.560 or personal identity. 10 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:58.640 Thank you so much for listening. 11 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:53.320 Talking always like a lost culture chaos and new same. 12 00:00:53.240 --> 00:01:02.840 Wing like a lost christ stream. 13 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.560 All right, so you've made it this far, you've made 14 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:10.280 it through Pink Flamingos. I don't know if you're still listening. 15 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.799 I'm just yelling at a wall right now. I've made 16 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.200 the reference before where it's like wet, hot American summer 17 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.280 where the kid who is running the radio station it's 18 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:22.879 not plugged in. So we are back, continuing the John 19 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:31.439 Waters Pride Month podcast series starring me, Ryan, Mark Fulcini, 20 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:37.959 and Rafall. Thank you for listening, and we have Oh yeah, 21 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:46.959 I'll do applause. Oop, that was the laugh laugh track. Sorry, lad, 22 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.359 That's enough of that, all right. We are moving forward 23 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.400 in the Trash trilogy, the first film being Pink Flamingos 24 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.200 and the second film is called Female Trouble. Now, who 25 00:01:59.239 --> 00:01:59.879 picked Female? 26 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:01.879 This is my pick? 27 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:06.640 Okay, this is the nineteen seventy four film starring Divine 28 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.280 Mark I will pass it to you. 29 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:16.759 Sure, yeah, So Female Trouble the reason why I picked it, 30 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.360 It's just the first one that popped in my head 31 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:20.199 when we were kind of talking about this and I 32 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:22.719 was wondering why I had this connection to Female Trouble. 33 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:24.879 I think I have reference before that I really like 34 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.439 Divine in a brunette wig or like this dark wig. 35 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.800 I think this has a lot of good fashion, also 36 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:31.840 has some good quotes. 37 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.000 But basically the story of Gorman basically. 38 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:43.319 Yes, actually but but yeah, the story follows Don Davenport, 39 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:48.039 who is a kind of like just like a bad 40 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:52.240 youth like it kind of follows her entire life and 41 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:56.479 basically she's just kind of like a bad schoolgirl who 42 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.800 does not get her chatcha heels that she wanted for Christmas, 43 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:04.120 and this basically sends her life on a very interesting path. 44 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.080 And we follow it, We follow through of what she's doing. 45 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.560 So so yeah, it's it's starting divine in the same 46 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.280 like cast of characters that we basically everyone from Pink 47 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:26.039 Flamingos essentially, and uh and yeah, where should I go 48 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:26.400 from here? 49 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:26.719 Kuv? 50 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:32.479 I There's nothing that made me happier than her sitting 51 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.960 in the classroom and just pulling out that gigantic me 52 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.400 falls up and starting eating it. It fucked I. I 53 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.960 was just I just died. I was like, this is flawless. 54 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.360 I loved and oh god. 55 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.680 So this was my least favorite movie of the Trash Trilogy, 56 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.159 of the three, and just because it's like so unpleasant. 57 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.879 It's just really sad and unpleasant. And I know it's 58 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.479 supposed to be over the top comedic, but like Pink 59 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.039 Flamingo is so ridiculous and the next one is so ridiculous, 60 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.199 but this is the most grounded in reality of the three. 61 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.479 It's about like a high school delinquent who gets pregnant 62 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.560 and then raises a child and it's just really sad. 63 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.040 So I just found this movie to be unpleasant. However, 64 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.240 I wrote, this is the most marked movie I've ever seen, 65 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.720 and I mark when I texted you guys that I 66 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.079 swear in my life, I did not know that this 67 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:31.639 was the movie you chose. Really, uh, I wanted to 68 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.319 share my Chatcha heels story for my life. So in 69 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:39.720 this movie, Dawn is in high school played by Divine, 70 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.079 and she's like, all I want is chacha heels. Now 71 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:43.759 I don't really know what that means, but it's a 72 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.800 shoe of some sort. Anyone want to explain that. 73 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.720 I'm guessing there were probably some like dance kind of 74 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.439 fancy shoes that her parents thought were not appropriate for 75 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.879 her age or for her you know, maybe like it's 76 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.160 for like an older woman, more wild. 77 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:01.680 So that was my thought. 78 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:09.079 So this is all that she wanted and and her 79 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.480 parents didn't think it was appropriate, so they get her 80 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:13.879 a water down version and she's furious. I think she 81 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.439 like throws down the Christmas tree and tackles her mom 82 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:17.079 or something like that. 83 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:18.920 That's amazing. 84 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.600 But my chatch I heal story is this. I was 85 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.199 probably in like freshman year of high school, and I 86 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.879 didn't know which way it was up, but I knew 87 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.160 that I wanted to have a black leather jacket because 88 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.240 I was a loser, and I thought that that would 89 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:36.240 be cool. So I asked my parents I really want 90 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.040 and I feel like Mark could relate to this because 91 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.560 your parents are very like old school in this way 92 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.279 and ridiculous. But I was like, I want a black 93 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:47.120 leather jacket. And this is in the late two thousands, 94 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.959 this is not in like nineteen sixty four. And my 95 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:56.319 parents for Christmas bought me a brown leather jacket because 96 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:00.480 they thought a black leather jacket was like too controversial. 97 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:03.399 You know, draped him yeah, And. 98 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.360 I opened it and I was like, I hate this. 99 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.480 This is not what I wanted at all. My parents 100 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.120 were like, you're spoiled. You don't appreciate us. We spent 101 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:12.560 a lot of money on this, and I was like, 102 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.879 this is not what I asked for, and they thought 103 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.879 I was like a piece of shit basically. But the 104 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.319 fact that my parents thought a black leather jacket would 105 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.680 be I mean, like a classy one one that you 106 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.120 would buy like old Navy or you know the gap. 107 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:34.079 They thought that was just crazy rebellious. And that's that 108 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.720 just shows. Like I've talked about how I'm in therapy, 109 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.959 my therapists have asked like, did you feel like you 110 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.199 had autonomy as a child at all. I mean, I 111 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.759 understand that adults are in charge, but could you make 112 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.720 any sort of decision? And I said no, not at all. 113 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.680 I literally had no autonomy, Like everything in my life 114 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.160 was not my decision, which is why in the Hooga 115 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.839 episode with Brian, I said being an adult is way 116 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.439 better than being a child. But anyways, this is not 117 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:01.959 about me or my therapy. 118 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:03.759 This is did they go this way? Though you didn't 119 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:04.759 answer that question, It's. 120 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:08.519 Only did what did it go? What way? Oh? Did 121 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:09.000 it go the way? 122 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:12.720 Escalate this way? Like where the mother gets knocked unconscious 123 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:13.480 for the tree. 124 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:18.000 Yeah, I would say yes it did. Okay, very very 125 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:23.120 very similar. But one of the reasons that I want 126 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:24.959 I thought this movie is the most Mark movie I've 127 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.720 ever seen is on Ida. So Mark, why don't you 128 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:29.199 talk about on Ida? 129 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:30.839 So so? 130 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.720 Just like so Don basically runs away. She there's always 131 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.439 like this character who like this creep character who picks 132 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.360 up some chick or like there's always like some guy 133 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.720 in a car who's like a creep, but it ends 134 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.040 up being actually divine. It's like basically divine as a 135 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:49.480 male like picks up divine and then has a kind 136 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.240 of rape scene. It's like kind of rape kind of not. 137 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.120 She ends up getting pregnant, uh, and then she moves 138 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.279 to this neighborhood and it's like her working years, like 139 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.600 which she's like a waitress for a day and then 140 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.879 basically becomes like a criminal pretty fast and like starts 141 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.879 stripping and like you know, hooking. But she lives next 142 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:11.639 to uh. This woman who is aunt Ida. Aunt Ida 143 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.439 is the egg woman from Pink Flamingos. 144 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.560 She is now back. She is her. 145 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:21.199 Opening scene, her her opening scene, so now she has 146 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.879 like bleach blonde crazy hair like she her opening scene 147 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.560 is just her topless, like just like rubbing on her 148 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.759 boobs like like kind of enjoying it. 149 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.559 She walks actually in the first place, what's up? She 150 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.320 walks for a change. She she walks, that's she's. 151 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:38.000 Not trapped in a crim She walks for a change. 152 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.559 She she puts on like this like leather like very 153 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:51.120 revealing outfit, and she comes out and she asks her 154 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:55.519 is it her nephew, Yeah, her nephew, like how she looks, 155 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.799 and aunt Ida is just aunt Ida is the aunt 156 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:05.559 I wish I had at aunt Ida is. 157 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:11.039 No, I didn't have one, not exactly. 158 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:16.000 And on Ida's son son nephew who's a hairdresser. She's 159 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.039 just like, oh, you're a hairdresser, like, obviously you're gay. 160 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.720 And he's like, no, I'm not. She's like, but you 161 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.600 should be. And the quote is that what she says, 162 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.960 which is fantastic, And this probably leads into why this 163 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.600 movie resonated me with a lot, like a lot watching 164 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.559 it on, Ida says, I worry that you'll work in 165 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.360 an office, have children celebrate wedding anniversaries. The world of 166 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.519 the heterosexual is a sick and boring life and I 167 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.480 love that. But yeah, she's constantly trying to make her 168 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.759 nephew gay but he's not. And he ends up starting 169 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:52.039 a relationship with Don Davenport, who is Divine's. 170 00:09:51.639 --> 00:10:00.320 Character Filthy you, filthy hetero, you hetero. I love that. Sorry, 171 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:00.919 go ahead, Ryan. 172 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:02.799 This is his name, Gator. 173 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.399 The names are always ridiculous in these movies, Like. 174 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.240 I think it's also funny too because the real life names, 175 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:13.879 Like I love he does such a good job with 176 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.200 opening credits, like the artwork and stuff like that. But 177 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.919 this one has a person whose name is Baronica Sipkiss 178 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:21.519 and I just love that name. I was like, who 179 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.480 is this person? I just thought it was wonderful. 180 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:28.080 Oh, but Don basically is she has her daughter has 181 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.120 now grown, who is played by mink Stole. 182 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:30.919 Who's an adult woman. 183 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:36.399 But but the I loved also like she like Don 184 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.399 is just like so sick of taking care of her 185 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.960 child who wants to just like be a child. 186 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:41.840 She doesn't allow her. 187 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.679 To go to school. She does allowed her to like 188 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.120 basically do anything Taffy. 189 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.720 That's I kept thinking of how hard you would laugh 190 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:51.480 at Don's parenting of Taffy. 191 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.120 Uh, And she says to her, can't can't you sit 192 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.279 here and look out the way, look out into the air, 193 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:57.720 Like can't you just sit here and look out into 194 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:58.080 the air? 195 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.279 Like why do you have to talk to me? 196 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.919 My jeans were polluted by your birth. 197 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.080 There's a scene later where somebody comes in the house 198 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.200 and it's like I need food and Taffy says, there's 199 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.840 no food here. Mother doesn't buy food from me. 200 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:13.840 I love. 201 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.039 I love when they first like introduced adult Taffy and 202 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:22.039 Don is eating this fucking massive donut and Don's doing 203 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.080 something and Taffy comes in and she's like, didn't I 204 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.960 tell you no jumping rope within ten feet of me? 205 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.200 But I will say this, and this is a comedy, 206 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.720 and I don't mean this one hundred percent seriously. At 207 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.600 least Down was there for Taffy as a terrible parent 208 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:42.960 versus Don. Sorry, Taffy escapes Don later in the film 209 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.960 to find her father and it doesn't go well. And 210 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.240 I also wanted to add that the father, Taffy's father, 211 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.639 is also divine, but not in Drag. 212 00:11:53.200 --> 00:12:00.720 Right, Yeah, yep, so so yeah, so so Down. Basically 213 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.039 her kind of associates who are like her childhood friends, 214 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.240 are also part of this like criminal group that they started, 215 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.279 and they are talking a lot about this like great 216 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.600 place to get I think, like Don is basically like 217 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.039 I need to, like I need something to pick me up. 218 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.360 So they suggest her to go get her hair done. 219 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.960 And there's a really good shop which Gator works at. 220 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:25.279 He's a hairdresser, but they do like auditions for the 221 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:28.639 It's like very exclusive, so you have to go and 222 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.720 get auditioned to get your hair done. And the people 223 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.600 who are running the shop are kind of like the 224 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.320 Marbles in a way, a little bit different, but it's 225 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.159 the same guy, David Lockery. And now the one who 226 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.840 previously played Cotton is now playing the like his wife, 227 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:47.639 the owner, and they're just kind of like terrible people 228 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:54.320 masquerading as like good people. And don Don makes the 229 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.440 you know, audition to get her hair done and she 230 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:59.080 starts this relationship with Gator. 231 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.799 I said that David Lockery in this film is the 232 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.240 closest any character in all four of these films comes 233 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:12.159 to Mark. I, uh. 234 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.240 Great outfits. He has great outfits in this film. 235 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.960 Yes, yeah. And Gator says talking to on Ida about 236 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.840 how he's straight, he says, don't you worry about me? 237 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:26.679 On Ida? Sex aint new problem? So love how that 238 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:27.559 is the BALTI. 239 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.279 Yeah. 240 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.200 I also loved at the beauty salon, like I don't 241 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:34.879 know what was happening there, but like one of the 242 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.200 beauticians was like making out with his clients, like. 243 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.720 I wrote that. I wrote that. I wrote that down Mark, 244 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:41.720 I've loved that so much. They come into the beauty 245 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.399 and it's like five people in chairs getting their hair 246 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.200 done by five hairdressers, but one of them is making 247 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.480 out with the hairdresser, which made me think of did 248 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.679 I always tell you when I went to knockouts the 249 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:58.759 hair dressing the barber chain. 250 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.240 Really have? 251 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.559 I talked about this on the pod oh, serious, I 252 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.279 probably have. But so I was in Framingham. This is 253 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.240 like God forever ago. I was like in my early twenties, 254 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:16.440 and I've never had a consistent barber until recently in 255 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.320 my life. Like when I was a kid, I did, 256 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.759 but I would kind of bounce around all over the place. 257 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.159 And I always hate getting a haircut. I don't know why, 258 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:25.399 but it's I always just think, Beau, It's like, oh, 259 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:26.919 I don't want to go, It's a waste of my day. 260 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.720 So I was driving around Framingham. I was on Root 261 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.960 nine and I saw it Knockout's Barbershop. So I pull in, 262 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.320 I get out of the car, I go in, and 263 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.720 as soon as I walk in, I realize it's a 264 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:43.559 which is honestly a genius marketing plan. It's a Hooters barbershop. 265 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:48.759 So it is. It is all hot women dressed very provocatively. 266 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.480 Who are hairstylists that are gonna cut your hair? But 267 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:55.960 they're hot and they have like essentially bikinis on. So 268 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:01.159 I was like, oh, this is awful, But Mark, did 269 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:01.919 you want to say something? 270 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.960 I'm just kind of I'm like surprised this. 271 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:08.080 Exists, Like are you surprised it exists? 272 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.639 I mean, no, it makes sense, I guess, but like 273 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:12.759 I really didn't think. 274 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:14.159 I didn't know this is a thing. 275 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.200 So I came in and I was waiting and I 276 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.679 was looking at all these hairdressers and I was like, wow, 277 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.720 they're all really hot and like they're dressed this way. 278 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:23.480 This is weird. And then they were like, we can 279 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:25.519 take you right away. And then they didn't have a 280 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.080 liquor license, but they were like, do you want a 281 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.919 beer that we can just comp you a beer? And 282 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.320 I said no, because there was the middle of the day. 283 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.679 I was like, no, I can't do that. So then 284 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.639 the haircut was fine. It was like an average haircut, 285 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.519 but there was a lot of banter and flirting and 286 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.799 massages like massaging my shoulders, my neck and my scalp, 287 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.000 and I was like, oh, I know what this is. 288 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.360 But I was like, did I enjoy this more than 289 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.360 a regular haircut? Fuck? Yes, I did? Are you kidding? 290 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.000 They've never given them that haircut, that's the that's their claim. 291 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.240 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're the first person I gave 292 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:05.039 this haircut too. 293 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.679 Ever, but yeah, so. 294 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.600 Like I'm straight too, not as straight as Ryan is 295 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:13.519 the point of that story. 296 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:15.080 But I actually have not been knock. 297 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:21.080 Sorry some I'm straighter than you, congrass Man's the whole 298 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:21.879 point of this, right. 299 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:27.559 Yeah, but uh yeah sorry, So not to derail us 300 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.639 Mark continue, No, this. 301 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.480 Is so basically the ideas that you have. The the 302 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:36.559 owners of the hair salon then take an interest into 303 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:41.000 Dawn and say that, like they have this theory that 304 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.879 like crime is beauty, so they're interested in her sort 305 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.519 of like criminal aspect of her life and they want 306 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:53.519 to document like take pictures of her and make her famous. 307 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.440 That's I guess the idea behind this. 308 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.039 This is not too far from Mark in real life. 309 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.919 In my opinion and mar which I loved and supported, 310 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.680 Mark had a photography series of fireball nips on the ground, 311 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.359 so like that immediately made me think of his photography 312 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.359 series of fireball nips on the ground. And also, fucking Mark, 313 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.880 the biggest hipster ever. He didn't have wedding photos and 314 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.359 we were all asking for them because he was like, well, 315 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:21.839 I took them with a camera with film, and there's 316 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.319 nowhere in Iceland to get the film developed. I was like, 317 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.240 of course you did. This is the most Mark thing 318 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:26.960 you've ever said. 319 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.960 Now I need to support him with quote beauty and crime. 320 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.720 The worst the crime gets, the more ravishing one becomes. 321 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:38.440 Exactly, so this starts this kind of relationship, and of 322 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:43.359 course Dawn is like liking this, but in the aspect 323 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:48.200 like at the same time, Dawn finds that her husband 324 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.759 is cheating the beautician is cheating on her, and she 325 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:56.079 then wants to divorce, and she, I think, says she's 326 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.400 like she gets him fired from the job, which then 327 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.119 pisses off off aunt Ida, and aunt Ida comes over 328 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.160 to the house and throws acid in Don's face, horribly 329 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:06.880 disfiguring her. 330 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.599 I think before the acid burn this is a line 331 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:13.480 I wrote down that I loved. I think it was Dawn. 332 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.759 She goes to the salon and goes up to get 333 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.119 her and says, I got you a present to remember 334 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:19.599 me by and punches him in the face. 335 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.920 Don't mess with Don. So now that down is like 336 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.759 horribly disfigured. The group, they like, the group of beauticians 337 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.480 like think that now she is like, this is a 338 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.839 good thing for her. So they're very excited to see 339 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.720 how like, you know, damaged her faces and they think 340 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.680 this is going to like make her even more like 341 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.720 famous and kind of more you know, ascend her essentially, 342 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:56.000 and yeah, they do a photo series with her and 343 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.680 she what happens to Dona like what happens to Don 344 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.680 at this point somehow they host a show, so she 345 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.359 has like her kind of like performance at the end, 346 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.319 which actually I was realizing this. I feel like this 347 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.599 influenced the substance. The end of the substance. I don't 348 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:22.079 know how it is, yeah, but Don basically has this. 349 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.480 Oh the she when she gets out of the hospital, 350 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.160 the beauticians take on Ida hostage and put her in 351 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.920 a cage in her like a bird cage in her house, 352 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:36.200 and chop her hand off. But Taffy, Taffy feels remorse 353 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.119 for this, so she gives her a like hook and 354 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.720 then Taffy also joins the Harry Krishna's because Don is 355 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:46.160 not there for her, and Taffy goes like at at 356 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:52.200 Don's like final performance, Taffy goes to kind of make 357 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.319 amends with her mom and see if she can like 358 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.640 repent for all of the evil doings, and Don strangles 359 00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:59.839 her to death for her performance. 360 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:02.799 Don kills her own daughter. Taffy is that she didn't 361 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.599 do enough to Taffy, But I think that the final 362 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.880 performance that Don gives is very similar to Pink Flamingos, 363 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:13.839 where this photographer photographer couple are so into Dawn for 364 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:17.319 committing these horrible acts. So she has this like stage 365 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:21.559 performance and she's just doing crazy stuff on stage but 366 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.519 just to be like gross. But my favorite one that 367 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.079 she does and she takes up a bucket of dead 368 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.279 fish and starts rubbing fish all over her sall. 369 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:31.960 And the crowd loves it. 370 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:33.680 It's just so gross. 371 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:38.240 I gotta say, like when when when Taffy tells her 372 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:40.880 that she wants to join the Higher Christmas? It is 373 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.440 the only time that Don is disgusted and the rage 374 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:46.680 that she just lets out, How could you. 375 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.680 Joy these terrible people? How could you do this? I 376 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.039 would never It's just so funny. I love that. 377 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:55.480 I wrote down her what she does in her performance. 378 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.640 She does a trampoline performance, which she's just like jumping 379 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:00.680 on trampoline lots. She rips a phone book in half, 380 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:02.799 and then she enters a cage with dead fish and 381 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.319 rubs them on herself. And then she says, who wants 382 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.279 to be famous? Who wants to die for art? And 383 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.519 she takes out a gun and starts shooting the audience. 384 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.039 Yes, she started. That's part of her art performances to 385 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:20.079 shoot the audience with a gun. I think this is 386 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.359 a lot about more than Pin Flamingos. Is about fame 387 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.599 and what's the difference between infamy and fame? Is there 388 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.599 any difference between infamy and fame and American society? What 389 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:36.160 is you know, like what is art? It's it's definitely 390 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.920 pushing the envelope, but not to jump ahead. But her 391 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.079 trial I found very amusing just based on her testimony 392 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.039 because she's shooting the people on the art show. So 393 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.839 she gets arrested and goes to goes on trial and 394 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.160 she's just very unrepentant. I would say. 395 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.039 Don is definitely unraveling at this point. 396 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:00.519 But I think this story about kind of, you know, 397 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.559 difference between infamy and fame in American society is also 398 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.400 interesting because it's actually popping up already in Pin Tamingos 399 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:10.319 because the tribunal towards the end, it's kind of showing 400 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.039 you exactly the same thing. You have this kind of 401 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.640