Speaker 1: Before we continue, we'd like to add a quick note
Speaker 1: regarding the film Pink Flamingos. While it's often associated with
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus culture and underground cinema, viewing or enjoying the
Speaker 1: film is not indicative of any particular sexual orientation. Additionally,
Speaker 1: the co host on this podcast, Ryan identifies as heterosexual,
Speaker 1: and his references to the film should be understand I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: should be understood in that context as part of a
Speaker 1: broader cultural conversation rather than a reflection of Ryan's sexuality
Speaker 1: or personal identity.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.
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Speaker 1: All right, so you've made it this far, you've made
Speaker 1: it through Pink Flamingos. I don't know if you're still listening.
Speaker 1: I'm just yelling at a wall right now. I've made
Speaker 1: the reference before where it's like wet, hot American summer
Speaker 1: where the kid who is running the radio station it's
Speaker 1: not plugged in. So we are back, continuing the John
Speaker 1: Waters Pride Month podcast series starring me, Ryan, Mark Fulcini,
Speaker 1: and Rafall. Thank you for listening, and we have Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do applause. Oop, that was the laugh laugh track. Sorry, lad,
Speaker 1: That's enough of that, all right. We are moving forward
Speaker 1: in the Trash trilogy, the first film being Pink Flamingos
Speaker 1: and the second film is called Female Trouble. Now, who
Speaker 1: picked Female?
Speaker 3: This is my pick?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the nineteen seventy four film starring Divine
Speaker 1: Mark I will pass it to you.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, So Female Trouble the reason why I picked it,
Speaker 4: It's just the first one that popped in my head
Speaker 4: when we were kind of talking about this and I
Speaker 4: was wondering why I had this connection to Female Trouble.
Speaker 4: I think I have reference before that I really like
Speaker 4: Divine in a brunette wig or like this dark wig.
Speaker 4: I think this has a lot of good fashion, also
Speaker 4: has some good quotes.
Speaker 1: But basically the story of Gorman basically.
Speaker 4: Yes, actually but but yeah, the story follows Don Davenport,
Speaker 4: who is a kind of like just like a bad
Speaker 4: youth like it kind of follows her entire life and
Speaker 4: basically she's just kind of like a bad schoolgirl who
Speaker 4: does not get her chatcha heels that she wanted for Christmas,
Speaker 4: and this basically sends her life on a very interesting path.
Speaker 4: And we follow it, We follow through of what she's doing.
Speaker 4: So so yeah, it's it's starting divine in the same
Speaker 4: like cast of characters that we basically everyone from Pink
Speaker 4: Flamingos essentially, and uh and yeah, where should I go
Speaker 4: from here?
Speaker 5: Kuv?
Speaker 6: I There's nothing that made me happier than her sitting
Speaker 6: in the classroom and just pulling out that gigantic me
Speaker 6: falls up and starting eating it. It fucked I. I
Speaker 6: was just I just died. I was like, this is flawless.
Speaker 6: I loved and oh god.
Speaker 1: So this was my least favorite movie of the Trash Trilogy,
Speaker 1: of the three, and just because it's like so unpleasant.
Speaker 1: It's just really sad and unpleasant. And I know it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be over the top comedic, but like Pink
Speaker 1: Flamingo is so ridiculous and the next one is so ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but this is the most grounded in reality of the three.
Speaker 1: It's about like a high school delinquent who gets pregnant
Speaker 1: and then raises a child and it's just really sad.
Speaker 1: So I just found this movie to be unpleasant. However,
Speaker 1: I wrote, this is the most marked movie I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and I mark when I texted you guys that I
Speaker 1: swear in my life, I did not know that this
Speaker 1: was the movie you chose. Really, uh, I wanted to
Speaker 1: share my Chatcha heels story for my life. So in
Speaker 1: this movie, Dawn is in high school played by Divine,
Speaker 1: and she's like, all I want is chacha heels. Now
Speaker 1: I don't really know what that means, but it's a
Speaker 1: shoe of some sort. Anyone want to explain that.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing there were probably some like dance kind of
Speaker 4: fancy shoes that her parents thought were not appropriate for
Speaker 4: her age or for her you know, maybe like it's
Speaker 4: for like an older woman, more wild.
Speaker 5: So that was my thought.
Speaker 1: So this is all that she wanted and and her
Speaker 1: parents didn't think it was appropriate, so they get her
Speaker 1: a water down version and she's furious. I think she
Speaker 1: like throws down the Christmas tree and tackles her mom
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 5: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: But my chatch I heal story is this. I was
Speaker 1: probably in like freshman year of high school, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know which way it was up, but I knew
Speaker 1: that I wanted to have a black leather jacket because
Speaker 1: I was a loser, and I thought that that would
Speaker 1: be cool. So I asked my parents I really want
Speaker 1: and I feel like Mark could relate to this because
Speaker 1: your parents are very like old school in this way
Speaker 1: and ridiculous. But I was like, I want a black
Speaker 1: leather jacket. And this is in the late two thousands,
Speaker 1: this is not in like nineteen sixty four. And my
Speaker 1: parents for Christmas bought me a brown leather jacket because
Speaker 1: they thought a black leather jacket was like too controversial.
Speaker 5: You know, draped him yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I opened it and I was like, I hate this.
Speaker 1: This is not what I wanted at all. My parents
Speaker 1: were like, you're spoiled. You don't appreciate us. We spent
Speaker 1: a lot of money on this, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not what I asked for, and they thought
Speaker 1: I was like a piece of shit basically. But the
Speaker 1: fact that my parents thought a black leather jacket would
Speaker 1: be I mean, like a classy one one that you
Speaker 1: would buy like old Navy or you know the gap.
Speaker 1: They thought that was just crazy rebellious. And that's that
Speaker 1: just shows. Like I've talked about how I'm in therapy,
Speaker 1: my therapists have asked like, did you feel like you
Speaker 1: had autonomy as a child at all. I mean, I
Speaker 1: understand that adults are in charge, but could you make
Speaker 1: any sort of decision? And I said no, not at all.
Speaker 1: I literally had no autonomy, Like everything in my life
Speaker 1: was not my decision, which is why in the Hooga
Speaker 1: episode with Brian, I said being an adult is way
Speaker 1: better than being a child. But anyways, this is not
Speaker 1: about me or my therapy.
Speaker 5: This is did they go this way? Though you didn't
Speaker 5: answer that question, It's.
Speaker 1: Only did what did it go? What way? Oh? Did
Speaker 1: it go the way?
Speaker 5: Escalate this way? Like where the mother gets knocked unconscious
Speaker 5: for the tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say yes it did. Okay, very very
Speaker 1: very similar. But one of the reasons that I want
Speaker 1: I thought this movie is the most Mark movie I've
Speaker 1: ever seen is on Ida. So Mark, why don't you
Speaker 1: talk about on Ida?
Speaker 3: So so?
Speaker 4: Just like so Don basically runs away. She there's always
Speaker 4: like this character who like this creep character who picks
Speaker 4: up some chick or like there's always like some guy
Speaker 4: in a car who's like a creep, but it ends
Speaker 4: up being actually divine. It's like basically divine as a
Speaker 4: male like picks up divine and then has a kind
Speaker 4: of rape scene. It's like kind of rape kind of not.
Speaker 4: She ends up getting pregnant, uh, and then she moves
Speaker 4: to this neighborhood and it's like her working years, like
Speaker 4: which she's like a waitress for a day and then
Speaker 4: basically becomes like a criminal pretty fast and like starts
Speaker 4: stripping and like you know, hooking. But she lives next
Speaker 4: to uh. This woman who is aunt Ida. Aunt Ida
Speaker 4: is the egg woman from Pink Flamingos.
Speaker 3: She is now back. She is her.
Speaker 4: Opening scene, her her opening scene, so now she has
Speaker 4: like bleach blonde crazy hair like she her opening scene
Speaker 4: is just her topless, like just like rubbing on her
Speaker 4: boobs like like kind of enjoying it.
Speaker 7: She walks actually in the first place, what's up? She
Speaker 7: walks for a change. She she walks, that's she's.
Speaker 4: Not trapped in a crim She walks for a change.
Speaker 4: She she puts on like this like leather like very
Speaker 4: revealing outfit, and she comes out and she asks her
Speaker 4: is it her nephew, Yeah, her nephew, like how she looks,
Speaker 4: and aunt Ida is just aunt Ida is the aunt
Speaker 4: I wish I had at aunt Ida is.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't have one, not exactly.
Speaker 4: And on Ida's son son nephew who's a hairdresser. She's
Speaker 4: just like, oh, you're a hairdresser, like, obviously you're gay.
Speaker 4: And he's like, no, I'm not. She's like, but you
Speaker 4: should be. And the quote is that what she says,
Speaker 4: which is fantastic, And this probably leads into why this
Speaker 4: movie resonated me with a lot, like a lot watching
Speaker 4: it on, Ida says, I worry that you'll work in
Speaker 4: an office, have children celebrate wedding anniversaries. The world of
Speaker 4: the heterosexual is a sick and boring life and I
Speaker 4: love that. But yeah, she's constantly trying to make her
Speaker 4: nephew gay but he's not. And he ends up starting
Speaker 4: a relationship with Don Davenport, who is Divine's.
Speaker 1: Character Filthy you, filthy hetero, you hetero. I love that. Sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Ryan.
Speaker 5: This is his name, Gator.
Speaker 3: The names are always ridiculous in these movies, Like.
Speaker 6: I think it's also funny too because the real life names,
Speaker 6: Like I love he does such a good job with
Speaker 6: opening credits, like the artwork and stuff like that. But
Speaker 6: this one has a person whose name is Baronica Sipkiss
Speaker 6: and I just love that name. I was like, who
Speaker 6: is this person? I just thought it was wonderful.
Speaker 4: Oh, but Don basically is she has her daughter has
Speaker 4: now grown, who is played by mink Stole.
Speaker 3: Who's an adult woman.
Speaker 4: But but the I loved also like she like Don
Speaker 4: is just like so sick of taking care of her
Speaker 4: child who wants to just like be a child.
Speaker 3: She doesn't allow her.
Speaker 4: To go to school. She does allowed her to like
Speaker 4: basically do anything Taffy.
Speaker 1: That's I kept thinking of how hard you would laugh
Speaker 1: at Don's parenting of Taffy.
Speaker 4: Uh, And she says to her, can't can't you sit
Speaker 4: here and look out the way, look out into the air,
Speaker 4: Like can't you just sit here and look out into
Speaker 4: the air?
Speaker 3: Like why do you have to talk to me?
Speaker 4: My jeans were polluted by your birth.
Speaker 1: There's a scene later where somebody comes in the house
Speaker 1: and it's like I need food and Taffy says, there's
Speaker 1: no food here. Mother doesn't buy food from me.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 6: I love when they first like introduced adult Taffy and
Speaker 6: Don is eating this fucking massive donut and Don's doing
Speaker 6: something and Taffy comes in and she's like, didn't I
Speaker 6: tell you no jumping rope within ten feet of me?
Speaker 1: But I will say this, and this is a comedy,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean this one hundred percent seriously. At
Speaker 1: least Down was there for Taffy as a terrible parent
Speaker 1: versus Don. Sorry, Taffy escapes Don later in the film
Speaker 1: to find her father and it doesn't go well. And
Speaker 1: I also wanted to add that the father, Taffy's father,
Speaker 1: is also divine, but not in Drag.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yep, so so yeah, so so Down. Basically
Speaker 4: her kind of associates who are like her childhood friends,
Speaker 4: are also part of this like criminal group that they started,
Speaker 4: and they are talking a lot about this like great
Speaker 4: place to get I think, like Don is basically like
Speaker 4: I need to, like I need something to pick me up.
Speaker 4: So they suggest her to go get her hair done.
Speaker 4: And there's a really good shop which Gator works at.
Speaker 4: He's a hairdresser, but they do like auditions for the
Speaker 4: It's like very exclusive, so you have to go and
Speaker 4: get auditioned to get your hair done. And the people
Speaker 4: who are running the shop are kind of like the
Speaker 4: Marbles in a way, a little bit different, but it's
Speaker 4: the same guy, David Lockery. And now the one who
Speaker 4: previously played Cotton is now playing the like his wife,
Speaker 4: the owner, and they're just kind of like terrible people
Speaker 4: masquerading as like good people. And don Don makes the
Speaker 4: you know, audition to get her hair done and she
Speaker 4: starts this relationship with Gator.
Speaker 1: I said that David Lockery in this film is the
Speaker 1: closest any character in all four of these films comes
Speaker 1: to Mark. I, uh.
Speaker 3: Great outfits. He has great outfits in this film.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. And Gator says talking to on Ida about
Speaker 1: how he's straight, he says, don't you worry about me?
Speaker 1: On Ida? Sex aint new problem? So love how that
Speaker 1: is the BALTI.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I also loved at the beauty salon, like I don't
Speaker 4: know what was happening there, but like one of the
Speaker 4: beauticians was like making out with his clients, like.
Speaker 1: I wrote that. I wrote that. I wrote that down Mark,
Speaker 1: I've loved that so much. They come into the beauty
Speaker 1: and it's like five people in chairs getting their hair
Speaker 1: done by five hairdressers, but one of them is making
Speaker 1: out with the hairdresser, which made me think of did
Speaker 1: I always tell you when I went to knockouts the
Speaker 1: hair dressing the barber chain.
Speaker 5: Really have?
Speaker 1: I talked about this on the pod oh, serious, I
Speaker 1: probably have. But so I was in Framingham. This is
Speaker 1: like God forever ago. I was like in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: and I've never had a consistent barber until recently in
Speaker 1: my life. Like when I was a kid, I did,
Speaker 1: but I would kind of bounce around all over the place.
Speaker 1: And I always hate getting a haircut. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it's I always just think, Beau, It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go, It's a waste of my day.
Speaker 1: So I was driving around Framingham. I was on Root
Speaker 1: nine and I saw it Knockout's Barbershop. So I pull in,
Speaker 1: I get out of the car, I go in, and
Speaker 1: as soon as I walk in, I realize it's a
Speaker 1: which is honestly a genius marketing plan. It's a Hooters barbershop.
Speaker 1: So it is. It is all hot women dressed very provocatively.
Speaker 1: Who are hairstylists that are gonna cut your hair? But
Speaker 1: they're hot and they have like essentially bikinis on. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is awful, But Mark, did
Speaker 1: you want to say something?
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of I'm like surprised this.
Speaker 1: Exists, Like are you surprised it exists?
Speaker 4: I mean, no, it makes sense, I guess, but like
Speaker 4: I really didn't think.
Speaker 3: I didn't know this is a thing.
Speaker 1: So I came in and I was waiting and I
Speaker 1: was looking at all these hairdressers and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: they're all really hot and like they're dressed this way.
Speaker 1: This is weird. And then they were like, we can
Speaker 1: take you right away. And then they didn't have a
Speaker 1: liquor license, but they were like, do you want a
Speaker 1: beer that we can just comp you a beer? And
Speaker 1: I said no, because there was the middle of the day.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I can't do that. So then
Speaker 1: the haircut was fine. It was like an average haircut,
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of banter and flirting and
Speaker 1: massages like massaging my shoulders, my neck and my scalp,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I know what this is.
Speaker 1: But I was like, did I enjoy this more than
Speaker 1: a regular haircut? Fuck? Yes, I did? Are you kidding?
Speaker 5: They've never given them that haircut, that's the that's their claim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're the first person I gave
Speaker 1: this haircut too.
Speaker 5: Ever, but yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Like I'm straight too, not as straight as Ryan is
Speaker 1: the point of that story.
Speaker 5: But I actually have not been knock.
Speaker 6: Sorry some I'm straighter than you, congrass Man's the whole
Speaker 6: point of this, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh yeah sorry, So not to derail us
Speaker 1: Mark continue, No, this.
Speaker 4: Is so basically the ideas that you have. The the
Speaker 4: owners of the hair salon then take an interest into
Speaker 4: Dawn and say that, like they have this theory that
Speaker 4: like crime is beauty, so they're interested in her sort
Speaker 4: of like criminal aspect of her life and they want
Speaker 4: to document like take pictures of her and make her famous.
Speaker 4: That's I guess the idea behind this.
Speaker 1: This is not too far from Mark in real life.
Speaker 1: In my opinion and mar which I loved and supported,
Speaker 1: Mark had a photography series of fireball nips on the ground,
Speaker 1: so like that immediately made me think of his photography
Speaker 1: series of fireball nips on the ground. And also, fucking Mark,
Speaker 1: the biggest hipster ever. He didn't have wedding photos and
Speaker 1: we were all asking for them because he was like, well,
Speaker 1: I took them with a camera with film, and there's
Speaker 1: nowhere in Iceland to get the film developed. I was like,
Speaker 1: of course you did. This is the most Mark thing
Speaker 1: you've ever said.
Speaker 7: Now I need to support him with quote beauty and crime.
Speaker 7: The worst the crime gets, the more ravishing one becomes.
Speaker 4: Exactly, so this starts this kind of relationship, and of
Speaker 4: course Dawn is like liking this, but in the aspect
Speaker 4: like at the same time, Dawn finds that her husband
Speaker 4: is cheating the beautician is cheating on her, and she
Speaker 4: then wants to divorce, and she, I think, says she's
Speaker 4: like she gets him fired from the job, which then
Speaker 4: pisses off off aunt Ida, and aunt Ida comes over
Speaker 4: to the house and throws acid in Don's face, horribly
Speaker 4: disfiguring her.
Speaker 1: I think before the acid burn this is a line
Speaker 1: I wrote down that I loved. I think it was Dawn.
Speaker 1: She goes to the salon and goes up to get
Speaker 1: her and says, I got you a present to remember
Speaker 1: me by and punches him in the face.
Speaker 4: Don't mess with Don. So now that down is like
Speaker 4: horribly disfigured. The group, they like, the group of beauticians
Speaker 4: like think that now she is like, this is a
Speaker 4: good thing for her. So they're very excited to see
Speaker 4: how like, you know, damaged her faces and they think
Speaker 4: this is going to like make her even more like
Speaker 4: famous and kind of more you know, ascend her essentially,
Speaker 4: and yeah, they do a photo series with her and
Speaker 4: she what happens to Dona like what happens to Don
Speaker 4: at this point somehow they host a show, so she
Speaker 4: has like her kind of like performance at the end,
Speaker 4: which actually I was realizing this. I feel like this
Speaker 4: influenced the substance. The end of the substance. I don't
Speaker 4: know how it is, yeah, but Don basically has this.
Speaker 4: Oh the she when she gets out of the hospital,
Speaker 4: the beauticians take on Ida hostage and put her in
Speaker 4: a cage in her like a bird cage in her house,
Speaker 4: and chop her hand off. But Taffy, Taffy feels remorse
Speaker 4: for this, so she gives her a like hook and
Speaker 4: then Taffy also joins the Harry Krishna's because Don is
Speaker 4: not there for her, and Taffy goes like at at
Speaker 4: Don's like final performance, Taffy goes to kind of make
Speaker 4: amends with her mom and see if she can like
Speaker 4: repent for all of the evil doings, and Don strangles
Speaker 4: her to death for her performance.
Speaker 1: Don kills her own daughter. Taffy is that she didn't
Speaker 1: do enough to Taffy, But I think that the final
Speaker 1: performance that Don gives is very similar to Pink Flamingos,
Speaker 1: where this photographer photographer couple are so into Dawn for
Speaker 1: committing these horrible acts. So she has this like stage
Speaker 1: performance and she's just doing crazy stuff on stage but
Speaker 1: just to be like gross. But my favorite one that
Speaker 1: she does and she takes up a bucket of dead
Speaker 1: fish and starts rubbing fish all over her sall.
Speaker 3: And the crowd loves it.
Speaker 1: It's just so gross.
Speaker 6: I gotta say, like when when when Taffy tells her
Speaker 6: that she wants to join the Higher Christmas? It is
Speaker 6: the only time that Don is disgusted and the rage
Speaker 6: that she just lets out, How could you.
Speaker 5: Joy these terrible people? How could you do this? I
Speaker 5: would never It's just so funny. I love that.
Speaker 4: I wrote down her what she does in her performance.
Speaker 4: She does a trampoline performance, which she's just like jumping
Speaker 4: on trampoline lots. She rips a phone book in half,
Speaker 4: and then she enters a cage with dead fish and
Speaker 4: rubs them on herself. And then she says, who wants
Speaker 4: to be famous? Who wants to die for art? And
Speaker 4: she takes out a gun and starts shooting the audience.
Speaker 1: Yes, she started. That's part of her art performances to
Speaker 1: shoot the audience with a gun. I think this is
Speaker 1: a lot about more than Pin Flamingos. Is about fame
Speaker 1: and what's the difference between infamy and fame? Is there
Speaker 1: any difference between infamy and fame and American society? What
Speaker 1: is you know, like what is art? It's it's definitely
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope, but not to jump ahead. But her
Speaker 1: trial I found very amusing just based on her testimony
Speaker 1: because she's shooting the people on the art show. So
Speaker 1: she gets arrested and goes to goes on trial and
Speaker 1: she's just very unrepentant. I would say.
Speaker 4: Don is definitely unraveling at this point.
Speaker 7: But I think this story about kind of, you know,
Speaker 7: difference between infamy and fame in American society is also
Speaker 7: interesting because it's actually popping up already in Pin Tamingos
Speaker 7: because the tribunal towards the end, it's kind of showing
Speaker 7: you exactly the same thing. You have this kind of
Speaker 7: full media coverage and like over the air Divine actually
Speaker 7: kind of oh, like the character of Divine actually gets
Speaker 7: the recognition because of being infamous. Actually, so the same
Speaker 7: kind of you know, playoff is happening over there.
Speaker 6: I feel I think it's interesting too, where like in
Speaker 6: the in the Art show, when she shoots that guy,
Speaker 6: it's that whole thing too. Of like everyone's been following
Speaker 6: this Carnalie because they just love like watching the train
Speaker 6: wreck that is gone, but then they actually do it,
Speaker 6: where now you're part of it and it's not entertaining anymore.
Speaker 6: It's not funny anymore. It's not and it's just like
Speaker 6: that was an interesting collision there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, However, at the same time, she actually doesn't start shooting,
Speaker 7: and the people who never said anything she actually starts shooting,
Speaker 7: and people who say I do when she asked if
Speaker 7: they want to die.
Speaker 5: For art, you want to you want to participates.
Speaker 1: Not guilty, y'all got to feel me.
Speaker 7: Kind of ambiguous feelings over here, to be quite honest
Speaker 7: with Also, the same thing kind of comes down to
Speaker 7: the Dollar story because I'm like, I'm kind of like
Speaker 7: I've been observant of this story because this story I
Speaker 7: think like this, this this part of the narrative is
Speaker 7: the most disturbing to me. And I'm kind of weirdly
Speaker 7: enough and probably provocatively enough feeling like the final death
Speaker 7: of the Dollar is actually the most humane thing that
Speaker 7: happens to her in the entire life that she has
Speaker 7: in a film.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, because when when Taffy goes to visit
Speaker 1: her dad, who's played by Divine as a man, Uh,
Speaker 1: it couldn't then, it couldn't be worse, Like, doesn't he
Speaker 1: actually try?
Speaker 5: She does? She does?
Speaker 3: She does, yes, because he tries to basically rape her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she comes back and divines like, what
Speaker 1: happened to your dad? And she was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: couldn't find him. There's a reference to Richard Speck in
Speaker 1: this movie, who's a famous serial killer, and this had
Speaker 1: I wanted to read this because this was a big
Speaker 1: thing in the nineties and I remember this happening. But
Speaker 1: this is way after Female Trouble. So in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: Chicago television news anchor Bill Curtis received videotapes made at
Speaker 1: the Stateville Correctional Center in nineteen eighty eight from an
Speaker 1: anonymous attorney, showing them publicly for the first time before
Speaker 1: the Illinois State Legislature. Curtis pointed out explicit scenes of sex,
Speaker 1: drug use, and money being passed around by prisoners who
Speaker 1: seemingly have no fear of being caught. In the center
Speaker 1: was Richard Speck, who was performing oral sex on another inmate,
Speaker 1: sharing cocaine, and boasting. If they quote, if they only
Speaker 1: knew how much fun I was having, they would turn
Speaker 1: me loose end quote. The Illinois legislature packed the auditorium
Speaker 1: to view the two hour video, but stop the screening
Speaker 1: when it showed Spec performing oral sex on another man.
Speaker 1: Also in this video, it doesn't say it here he
Speaker 1: had been taking He had somehow been taking estrogen supplements
Speaker 1: and a grown breasts in prison, so he was used
Speaker 1: as like a sex object, like, oh, there's boobs in prison.
Speaker 1: Go to Richard Speck and the fact that he was
Speaker 1: a famous male serial killer.
Speaker 4: Ye did Richard Spec kill the nurses? Is this the
Speaker 4: same story or no?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in Yeah, this is the guy who
Speaker 4: killed the nurses in the sixties.
Speaker 1: It was in mind Hunter. And also it says in
Speaker 1: the prison video he admitted to killing the nurses, describing
Speaker 1: the experience of strangling someone quote it ain't like you
Speaker 1: see on TV. It takes about three and a half
Speaker 1: minutes and a lot of strength.
Speaker 2: End quote. Pikes yep.
Speaker 4: So, so Don Davenport goes to jail and she actually
Speaker 4: gets sentenced to death by electrocution. Also a re I'm
Speaker 4: wondering if Johnny Depp's tattoo of the electric chairs reference
Speaker 4: to this. But what I loved like this Also at
Speaker 4: this point in the movie, you're kind of so tired,
Speaker 4: like you're so fatigued by this movie that it goes
Speaker 4: on quite long in the in the prison. But what
Speaker 4: I did love is that she already had a girlfriend,
Speaker 4: Like Don already had a girlfriend in prison, like everyone
Speaker 4: loved her.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, she but also as a woman. As
Speaker 1: a woman, Donald was always straight and then she goes
Speaker 1: to prison and immediately becomes the lesbian.
Speaker 5: Right why not?
Speaker 4: So she like the final scene is like her on
Speaker 4: the electric chair and she starts to like say some
Speaker 4: so speech and then she gets cut by electrocution and
Speaker 4: then it is like a freeze frame on her face
Speaker 4: in the credits roll.
Speaker 6: I I love the second woman who came in the room.
Speaker 6: They're like a having her own visitors, and she's like,
Speaker 6: do you want me to model for you? And it's
Speaker 6: just like she has such this like warm relationship and
Speaker 6: I was like, man, they're just kind of showing you, like,
Speaker 6: no matter where she goes, she's something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all of.
Speaker 1: These movies were short, but this is the only one
Speaker 1: to me that seemed long. It's like, wow, we're still I.
Speaker 3: Think also said that you said that this was your
Speaker 3: least one, man.
Speaker 7: I mean the least favorite again because of what Tim
Speaker 7: said before. It's reedy is so negative. It's like it's
Speaker 7: so negative, like I couldn't really kind of grasp anything
Speaker 7: that would kind of give me this pure sensation of okay,
Speaker 7: comedic humor. Timing, No, it's just straight negativity and it's
Speaker 7: just bombarding you with it the whole time.
Speaker 1: I agree, it's like showing the most miserable lives for
Speaker 1: the sake of comedy. Where Pin Flamingos in the movie
Speaker 1: We're Gonna Do Next are fun in their own way
Speaker 1: and their own like sick, twisted way. This is just
Speaker 1: not fun to me at all in any way.
Speaker 5: Can I go ahead?
Speaker 6: I just want to share because I love so On
Speaker 6: a lot of DVDs and blue rays and stuff like
Speaker 6: movie posters, you're going to see critics quotes, and I
Speaker 6: think John Waters intentionally always puts like his favorite like
Speaker 6: negative quotes on the covers of his movies and on
Speaker 6: Female Trouble I think is the greatest review of any
Speaker 6: movie ever. It's by Rex Read, very famous film critic,
Speaker 6: and it just says, where do these people come from?
Speaker 6: Where do they go when the sun goes down? Is
Speaker 6: there a law or something? I think it's fun. I
Speaker 6: think it's brilliant. I think it's so brilliant. It's just like,
Speaker 6: what is this movie? I just always killed me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Alsipe.
Speaker 7: Part of the story is that we kind of knowing
Speaker 7: the personality of Divine automatically kind of try to rule
Speaker 7: for her, kind of you know, just support her and
Speaker 7: kind of hope for some sort of resolutions, going to.
Speaker 3: Kind of know be.
Speaker 7: Fair, maybe too much of a word, but still to
Speaker 7: a certain degree satisfying to the general audience, and we
Speaker 7: just don't get it. Like over there you have those
Speaker 7: people kind of manipulated her into the position where she
Speaker 7: is also kind of getting away with it like nobody's business,
Speaker 7: which is not the case with the Marbles before, but
Speaker 7: you know, like in Ping Flamingos because they obviously gets
Speaker 7: shot right by her. Yeah, I think this is honestly,
Speaker 7: I know it is ridiculous, but probably this is kind of,
Speaker 7: you know, a bit of a.
Speaker 3: Cost of my dissatisfaction to find a resolution. I wish
Speaker 3: she kind of got away with this electric chair.
Speaker 7: I wish she somehow imagined people somebody else into the
Speaker 7: chair and tried them, Like, you know, I want her
Speaker 7: to live.
Speaker 5: I'm curious.
Speaker 6: Do you think it's because we see her so quote
Speaker 6: unquote earlier in life, where like, yeah, divine is established
Speaker 6: in Pink Flamengos, and this one you're starting as a
Speaker 6: school kid and going on you're seeing all the mistakes
Speaker 6: and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, just like, I know, it's
Speaker 1: a comedy and it's ridiculous, but being knocked up in
Speaker 1: high school and then dropping out and having a baby
Speaker 1: and treating the baby terribly, to me, it's just not funny.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, But you didn't think it was
Speaker 4: funny when they were like pulling her up the stairs
Speaker 4: and chaining.
Speaker 5: Her in the end.
Speaker 1: I did want I did want to mention the quote,
Speaker 1: which is my favorite quote in the movie. This is
Speaker 1: a quote that a character says, quote, I would not
Speaker 1: suck your dick if I was drowning and there was
Speaker 1: oxygen in your balls.
Speaker 5: Oh that's what Gator says to Taffy. That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I also have a good quote that kind of, you know,
Speaker 7: is said by my main character. But at the same time,
Speaker 7: I think it kind of covers to me the idea
Speaker 7: of the film. Uh you look at the clim person
Speaker 7: on the pipes.
Speaker 3: And don't you forget it? Yeah, that's how I feel
Speaker 3: honestly about this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Down is so happy to be herself in the
Speaker 1: trial and meant to be put to death. She's like
Speaker 1: so happy to be put to death. She's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be so famous. This is gonna be wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing went right in Don's life.
Speaker 1: No, except she was straight.
Speaker 7: And did you get the final quote of this girlfriend
Speaker 7: that she had in the prison. There was also this
Speaker 7: like very final kind of speech on her part where
Speaker 7: she goes, you still think it's a show, You're gonna
Speaker 7: realize it's your life and that's dark.
Speaker 2: That's dark.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Nis, Mark, thank you for that choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, I mean this is.
Speaker 4: Gonna be This is great song too, also a great
Speaker 4: like opening song, absolutely the kindest singing.
Speaker 5: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: This is also the last movie with divine that we
Speaker 1: will cover. Yeah, all right, I don't have much else
Speaker 1: to say, but I would say my advice in the
Speaker 1: theme of this movie. To me, my biggest takeaway was
Speaker 1: life comes at you fast.
Speaker 5: This is John Waters Perispueler's day off. This is his
Speaker 5: way of doing it. Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, any other thoughts in this movie before we
Speaker 1: you guys give your advice?
Speaker 3: Nope? I think my advice would you find yourself in
Speaker 3: on Ida?
Speaker 5: For sure?
Speaker 3: Every every gay boy.
Speaker 1: Needs it on Ida, Move to Flea Bottom find it
Speaker 1: on Yeah.
Speaker 7: I would say, whenever anybody asks you if you want
Speaker 7: to die for our saying you don't.
Speaker 1: Agreed, Very good one, Ryan.
Speaker 6: My advice is don't don't be overly dramatic, because the
Speaker 6: best line in this entire movie is when uh Dawn
Speaker 6: is at the counter at the hair salon and she's like,
Speaker 6: I don't want to be overly bitter, but I'd like
Speaker 6: you to destroy all of his belongings.
Speaker 5: I think that's fucking for us.
Speaker 1: What's the mustache guy's name? David Lockery?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love when Devine goes h fire him from the
Speaker 1: hair salon and David Lockery picks up the phone and
Speaker 1: is like Samantha Fire Fire Gator, and then she says
Speaker 1: like why, no reason. Then he hangs up. My advice
Speaker 1: is don't listen to Mark. Sorry, but all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna close out the Trash Trilogy and the next part.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening with the doozy. With a doozy,
Speaker 1: I mean the next movie. Spoiler alert. The next movie
Speaker 1: is my favorite movie in the Trash trilogy. All right,
Speaker 1: catch you on the flip