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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: I do want to get to a local story. Well,
Speaker 1: we wait for those two to take the stage and
Speaker 1: then anxious to duck in, but this one really really
Speaker 1: bothers me.
Speaker 2: And this is a story from the Steamboat Pilot, and
Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of morals to this story.
Speaker 2: If you're new to Colorado.
Speaker 1: Steamboatsy this amazing town up in the Mountain's great ski town.
Speaker 1: The first big cases I ever had was up there,
Speaker 1: and I was just a law clerk in that one.
Speaker 1: But which is an interesting story. I'll tell it sometime,
Speaker 1: but not right now. This story here's the headline, and
Speaker 1: then the Post carried a version of it. But I'm
Speaker 1: really anxious to get your take, because one of the
Speaker 1: cool things for me, at least being on air all
Speaker 1: these years is, you know, I've been in Colorado now, jeez,
Speaker 1: I can't even count fifty.
Speaker 2: Years, maybe forty nine years.
Speaker 1: But I came from Chicago, and I grew up on
Speaker 1: the South Side of Chicago, first in an apartment and
Speaker 1: then with the greatest childhood you could ever imagine, whether
Speaker 1: we were in the apartment or then in our small
Speaker 1: home in the heart of the South Side and what
Speaker 1: later became Barack Obama's district. But I had the greatest
Speaker 1: childhood imaginable, and my dad was a cop, and my
Speaker 1: mom could have done anything, stayed home to raise us,
Speaker 1: and I literally cannot imagine a tougher job. But the
Speaker 1: point of all of this is that I just didn't
Speaker 1: get exposed to a lot of wildlife, right. Hunting was
Speaker 1: not part of our thing. I mean in Chicago, Like
Speaker 1: when we then moved over to the southwest Side. When
Speaker 1: it got too violent at seventy six and Aberdeen, we
Speaker 1: moved to sixty third and Pulaski. You know, I'd see
Speaker 1: some cows on you know, trained cars going to the
Speaker 1: stockyards and things like that, but we didn't have wildlife,
Speaker 1: So hunting was not part of growing up. You know,
Speaker 1: wildlife in that circle of life was not part of
Speaker 1: life for us growing up, going to my dad taking us,
Speaker 1: you know, to cub games and socks games. It was
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But I got to tell you
Speaker 1: that aside to me, this one is crystal clear. Whether
Speaker 1: it's it's to somebody who's grown up their entire life
Speaker 1: in the wilderness with the animals and the circle of life,
Speaker 1: or whether it's a guy like me who grew up
Speaker 1: in the city.
Speaker 2: Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Speaker 1: And I think this is as wrong as you can get.
Speaker 1: And I think it's an example of bureaucratic laziness and
Speaker 1: excuse making.
Speaker 2: So listen to this.
Speaker 1: After elk gets stuck on Steamboat Springs property, CPW urges.
Speaker 2: Residents to let nature take it course.
Speaker 1: Okay, when an elk got stuck in a snowy gully
Speaker 1: on a Steamboat Springs residence property Thursday, neighbors were prepared
Speaker 1: to come from miles around to help, but a ranger
Speaker 1: with Colorado Parks and Wildlife advised them to let nare
Speaker 1: nature take its course. BS. I wish I could say
Speaker 1: the full word BS. That's a lazy friggin ranger. Let
Speaker 1: me go on with the story. That was not out
Speaker 1: of the story quote. It's very tough to see. We're
Speaker 1: all humans, said Rachel Gonzalez, the CPW Northwest Region Public
Speaker 1: Information Officer. When we see an animal in a bad situation,
Speaker 1: we all want to help. The reality is sometimes we
Speaker 1: could be doing that animal more harm by trying to
Speaker 1: help it.
Speaker 2: B s BS not this animal. How are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: How are you gonna do more harm to this animal
Speaker 1: by saving it? This is lazy, bureaucratic garbage. The story
Speaker 1: goes on. Millly Free, the Steamboat Springs resident who conducted
Speaker 1: the rescue mission, came home to an elk walking through
Speaker 1: her property and snapped a photo admiring the beauty.
Speaker 2: But when Freed.
Speaker 1: Walked away, the elk got startled and ran into a
Speaker 1: gully full of snow.
Speaker 2: I could tell the elk was struggling to get through.
Speaker 1: The snow, but I thought the elk, they'll deal with this.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she'll be okay. According to Freed and CPW,
Speaker 1: the elk seemed to be in poor health even before
Speaker 1: getting stuck. I'd really like to see the evidence of
Speaker 1: that I've seen the picture anyway, it goes on to say.
Speaker 1: Hours later, the elk was still stuck in the gully
Speaker 1: and up to its neck in snow. According to Freed,
Speaker 1: Freed called CPW seeking help, but a CPW ranger incurred
Speaker 1: her to leave the alkala encouraged her to leave the
Speaker 1: alkalon overnight to see if it could escape the gully
Speaker 1: without help. Around seven pm Thursday, Freed decided to rally
Speaker 1: the troops to dig a path in the snow for
Speaker 1: the elk. Early the next morning, we got a group
Speaker 1: of about ten neighbors to agree to help. Everyone I
Speaker 1: called wanted to help. I was amazed that people were
Speaker 1: willing to come from five miles away so early in
Speaker 1: the morning. When the neighbors arrived at Freed's property, the
Speaker 1: elk was still alive, but still stuck. Then while the
Speaker 1: group had breakfasts, the elk died.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was so weak that it was an inevitable ending,
Speaker 1: said Freed. I get it, that's wildlife, but I wish
Speaker 1: it had ended better, Freed boy, and I bet the
Speaker 1: elk does too. Freed voice disappointment that CPW did not
Speaker 1: assess the situation in person or intervene, but CPW said
Speaker 1: interference can make a bad situation even worse. Again, total bureaucratic, lazy, garbage, garbage,
Speaker 1: It goes on to say, from our standpoint, it's important
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're respecting wildlife and giving them space,
Speaker 1: especially this time of year when they're already doing everything
Speaker 1: they can to conserve energy and calories. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: you've got an elk dying. It's stuck in the snow
Speaker 1: up to its neck. It can't move.
Speaker 2: It's dying. Oh, we got to give it space.
Speaker 1: Right, According to Gonzales, every situation is different and there's
Speaker 1: not just one way to respond to an animal in distress.
Speaker 1: She said, CPW intervenes when necessary, but tends to lean
Speaker 1: toward letting, letting nature take its course, and then it
Speaker 1: goes on from there. Freeed added that a friend is
Speaker 1: planning on processing the.
Speaker 2: Elk for food. Give me a break.
Speaker 1: You've got all these neighbors who want to do the
Speaker 1: right thing right. God created these animals. The neighbors are
Speaker 1: willing to go out there. They're just asking the state
Speaker 1: for some help. Here's an animal in distress, it's dying.
Speaker 1: What is the downside of saving it, but my constitutionally
Speaker 1: protected opinion based upon the publicly available facts, it's just
Speaker 1: bureaucratic laziness.
Speaker 2: And so a magnificent.
Speaker 1: Creature that should still be alive today died what must
Speaker 1: have been a very painful death, and to me, that's garbage.
Speaker 1: These neighbors wanted to do the right thing.
Speaker 4: That happened in my hometown, and unlike you growing up
Speaker 4: in an urban area, Dan, I grew up in a
Speaker 4: very rural area in Grasslake, Michigan. That elk would still
Speaker 4: be alive. We would have tried to call DNR Michigan
Speaker 4: Department National Natural Resources. I believe there would I hope
Speaker 4: there would have been a different response in that instance.
Speaker 4: You know, the animal is not only in danger, it's
Speaker 4: being stressed, and you have to be able to start
Speaker 4: some effort to save that animal. And I know it's dangerous.
Speaker 4: The elk could be very agitated, and you don't want
Speaker 4: to get in his path or its way. But there
Speaker 4: was a way to save that elk well, and all.
Speaker 1: These people rallied and he came out with their shovels
Speaker 1: et centa. But they had a right calling the state,
Speaker 1: They had a right to get some help from the
Speaker 1: state Colorado is a state income tax. Colorado has lots
Speaker 1: of taxes. I bet all those people are paying lots
Speaker 1: of taxes, and they had a right to expect some
Speaker 1: help from the state.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: Listen, if it's a spider in your house or something
Speaker 1: like that, that's one thing. Even though I'll admit that
Speaker 1: I will take fighters out and throw them outside.
Speaker 2: Amy hates that.
Speaker 1: But the point being, this is a big, magnificent elk.
Speaker 1: It's in pain, it's in distress, just a little basic humanity, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think the state failed these citizens. The
Speaker 1: state failed this beautiful creature. And it's another example in
Speaker 1: my constitutionally protected opinion of bureaucratic laziness.
Speaker 2: Maybe there are other facts that I don't know or
Speaker 2: I'm missing. I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Eight five five for zero five eight two five five
Speaker 1: the number text d A N five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 1: But no, I think this animal should have been saved.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1: Corodo Bureaucrats my humble opinion, failing this beautiful animal, failing
Speaker 1: the citizens of Colorado who wanted the animals save citizens
Speaker 1: who got up at dawn, traveled miles with shovels to
Speaker 1: get together to save this elk stuck in her neck,
Speaker 1: stuck up to her neck in deep snow overnight, and
Speaker 1: the person who saw this tries to get the state involved.
Speaker 1: The state doesn't come out, and then you know, as
Speaker 1: the people are having breakfast, which they're entitled to do,
Speaker 1: the elk dies.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: Just awful, what a waste, a total bureaucratic failure. Tara
Speaker 1: and Pueblo, you're on the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 5: Hi, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure, Tara.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it is really vomnerable when people should
Speaker 5: be taking some responsibility to do their job and be
Speaker 5: helpful just want to brush it off and do nothing.
Speaker 2: It drives you crazy, doesn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the neighbors that they were willing to go miles
Speaker 1: at dawn to save this animal, but the professionals should
Speaker 1: have been out they're saving it right long before then.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Not every Texter happy with me,
Speaker 1: but that's okay.
Speaker 2: People can't always be right.
Speaker 4: I think this textures unhappy with you, but I had
Speaker 4: the same question as this texter. Dan if I may, says,
Speaker 4: Dan been a resident hunter here in Colorado for over
Speaker 4: sixty years. Yep, stuff happens. I find it interesting that
Speaker 4: it is a city boy lawyer. A little shot at you.
Speaker 4: You didn't spot the fact that the helpers made time
Speaker 4: to have breakfast. What's up with that part though?
Speaker 3: Why do they?
Speaker 4: But why do they stop to have breakfast? Dig the
Speaker 4: damn elk out?
Speaker 1: Hopefully have breadtha, Hopefully that Texter is on their way
Speaker 1: to the ear doctor right now, because I specifically read
Speaker 1: that part of the story. I know you, I know
Speaker 1: that while they were having breakfast, the elk passed away.
Speaker 1: But here's the point here. Let me read this text.
Speaker 1: Dan been a resident and hunter here in Colorado for
Speaker 1: over sixty years. Yep, stuff happens. I find it interesting
Speaker 1: that is a city boy lawyer. You didn't spot the
Speaker 1: fact that the quote helpers make time to have breakfast
Speaker 1: while the animal died. Hope those helpers didn't choke on
Speaker 1: their eggs and vagan bacon. Again, stuff happens, in my
Speaker 1: constitutionally protected opinion. Smiling and winking emoji, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: didn't mean to demean the wildlife officer with your words.
Speaker 1: I thought I did not, not personally, but no, clearly
Speaker 1: if if my words weren't clear enough, And nothing's personally here,
Speaker 1: I'm not faulting any particular individual. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: the bureaucratic mindset Colorado Parks and Wildlife as a bureaucracy
Speaker 1: should have gone out and saved this animal. And the
Speaker 1: excuses what I was particularly referring to were the excuses
Speaker 1: offering in this offered in this article, which to me
Speaker 1: are typical bureaucratic garbage.
Speaker 2: It's very tough to see. I mean, she's talking about
Speaker 2: an elk, stuff buried all the way up to it
Speaker 2: neck in the snow. Everybody can see it. Come on,
Speaker 2: we're humans.
Speaker 1: God gave us these gifts. We're supposed to be their
Speaker 1: caretakers and their stewards. Yeah, we were given them to eat,
Speaker 1: we were given them to do this and that, but
Speaker 1: we were supposed to treat them well. So this is
Speaker 1: I don't aim this at any particular individual in this story,
Speaker 1: but the bureaucracy, the state of Colorado under Jared Polus.
Speaker 2: It's very tough to see. We're all humans.
Speaker 1: When we see an animal in a bad situation, we
Speaker 1: all want to help the reality is sometimes we could
Speaker 1: be doing that animal more harm by trying to help it.
Speaker 1: So tell me, State of Colorado, how are you doing
Speaker 1: this animal in a tortuous situation more harm by just
Speaker 1: digging it out.
Speaker 2: This is not tough. It's not in the middle of
Speaker 2: a highway.
Speaker 1: And to the shot taken it these people who just
Speaker 1: want to have a little breakfast first. These people are
Speaker 1: all up early in the morning, They've come a long way,
Speaker 1: They've all brought shovels. They're not paid by the State
Speaker 1: of Colorado. They're not paid by the taxpayer. These are
Speaker 1: unpaid volunteers about to go out by the way and do.
Speaker 2: Some really hard work and some risk there, and some risks,
Speaker 2: you know, so that you gotta have fuel. You gotta
Speaker 2: have fuel.
Speaker 1: If the state had done its job, the folks wouldn't
Speaker 1: even have to be outset.
Speaker 4: I just got to say to the Texter's point, I
Speaker 4: do agree, as again, somebody who grew up in a
Speaker 4: rural environment, I would want to have breakfast too. But
Speaker 4: the elk is stuck. This is a crisis situation. You
Speaker 4: dig the elk out first, and they'll go have a
Speaker 4: big bonanza breakfast. A cracker barrel or.
Speaker 1: Bro It's like on the plane, you got to put
Speaker 1: your own face mask on first, right, and here they.
Speaker 4: Need to dig him out without eating breakfast.
Speaker 2: You gotta have the fuel. You gotta have the fuel.
Speaker 1: But Dan, the person who saw it originally obviously didn't
Speaker 1: see a sign of illness or distress. It was cruel
Speaker 1: to not get that elk out. If wildlife had come
Speaker 1: out and determined the elk was dying, then put it
Speaker 1: out of its misery. Great point, you've got you've got
Speaker 1: a creation of god suffering. I think we're put on
Speaker 1: this earth to relieve suffering. You've got a creation of
Speaker 1: God's suffering. You've got taxpayer funded people who are supposed
Speaker 1: to address this situation. It probably died from the stress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have froze to death. Whatever, It was a
Speaker 1: brutal death that could have been avoided. The Texter goes
Speaker 1: on to say, the few times I've had to call
Speaker 1: Fish and Game, they have neither not come or been
Speaker 1: of little help.
Speaker 2: No longer call them that.
Speaker 1: From Frandy that maybe the first Frandy who has ever
Speaker 1: written the show.
Speaker 2: Dan, they should have dug the elk out the night before.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the States should have You've got this citizen
Speaker 1: who starts by calling the government, right, they're the specialist
Speaker 1: Parks and wildlife calls. The government figures though, get them out,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, this good Samaritan citizen
Speaker 1: sees the government isn't acting, so starts calling their friends.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't expect them to go out in the dark
Speaker 1: at night, in deep snow with shovels to try to
Speaker 1: save the elk. But the professionals should have been there. Yeah, wow, Dan,
Speaker 1: they should not wait on government. The spirit of America is,
Speaker 1: do not wait on your government, Take charge yourself. We
Speaker 1: are the government, we the people. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: they did the right thing there to help. I mean,
Speaker 1: they did the right thing to call the government to
Speaker 1: try to get the government's help, and the government, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, should have helped Dan. I live in Cedar
Speaker 1: Edge where we have deer in our yards here around.
Speaker 1: CPW will not intervene if we spot an injured deer.
Speaker 1: Let nature take its course. As the mantra we here too,
Speaker 1: And I say bs to that. Depending on the circumstance.
Speaker 1: To me, again, that's bureaucratic laziness. It depends on the circumstance. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: if you've got a deer that's passing away from.
Speaker 2: Some kind of this or that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the state has to come out and
Speaker 1: give it CPR. I'm not saying that at all. But
Speaker 1: if you've got a deer that says duck in a
Speaker 1: barbey er fence, or you've got a deer like this,
Speaker 1: or an elk in this case, stuck in the snow, No,
Speaker 1: we are better than that than to leave an animal
Speaker 1: there to be tortured.
Speaker 2: We're better than that.
Speaker 1: Dan, If that had been a predator wolf here in Colorado,
Speaker 1: they would have moved the entire amount to save it.
Speaker 2: Hell. Yes, text of the year can tender right top five.
Speaker 1: If that had been one of Jared Polus's beloved wolves
Speaker 1: that was brought in to slaughter the livestock of our ranchers,
Speaker 1: they would have Polus himself would have flown out. He
Speaker 1: would have every asset possible deployed to save that wolf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is outrageous and it's symptomatic of something even bigger.
Speaker 2: But it's cruel.
Speaker 4: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1: If the State of Colorado wasn't going to do its
Speaker 1: job and save this animal that was dying, this horrific
Speaker 1: death where everybody could see it and it could have
Speaker 1: been easily rescued. Then put it out of its misery.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a story. I'll get to the
Speaker 1: phones and text if you just joined the sink. Not emotional,
Speaker 1: it's peanut butter. This is a story out of the
Speaker 1: Steamboat Pilot via the Denver Post after elk gets stuck
Speaker 1: on Steamboat Springs property CPW Colorado Parks and Wildlife urges
Speaker 1: residents to let nature take its course. My constitutionally protected opinion.
Speaker 1: That's buer lazy bureaucratic BS. Here's the heart of the story.
Speaker 1: I won't read it as I did earlier. Is I
Speaker 1: understand the story. You've got this elk that gets stuck
Speaker 1: in this big field. It's a fenced, big field behind
Speaker 1: somebody's house. Bury it all the way up to its
Speaker 1: neck in the snow, and the elk is an obvious misery,
Speaker 1: and the neighbor calls the state as it should. You
Speaker 1: know the budget for that department, I looked it up
Speaker 1: in the break three hundred and eleven million. You think
Speaker 1: they could afford to and elk dyeing a horrible death,
Speaker 1: calls the state and says, hey, you got to rescue
Speaker 1: this animal.
Speaker 2: State says no, and then we get.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, all this bureaucratic nonsense in those quotes
Speaker 1: I read, Garriotte could be doing the animal more harm.
Speaker 1: How are you doing the animal more harm by simply
Speaker 1: digging it out rather than have it died that horrific death.
Speaker 2: So this neighbor does the right thing.
Speaker 1: What a good person rallies friends, calls friends, people come
Speaker 1: from miles away with shovels to dig the animal out
Speaker 1: early morning while they're having breakfast. The poor animal passes away.
Speaker 1: So that's what we're talking about right now. What do
Speaker 1: you think like I do, the States should have stepped
Speaker 1: in there. Texter Dan liable for animal cruelty. Dan a
Speaker 1: friend who's a forest fighter. Forest fire fighter once told
Speaker 1: me there's no such thing as a natural disaster, and
Speaker 1: then it goes on for a while. They only got
Speaker 1: labeled as disasters once people got involved.
Speaker 2: Dan Less.
Speaker 1: Time I checked, every person who registered a vehicle has
Speaker 1: to pay for a while life pass unless you opt out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it looks like from what I'm reading, it was
Speaker 1: an extra forty one million dollars to Parks and Wildlife.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Parks and Wildlife does a lot of good.
Speaker 1: But this animal should have been saved.
Speaker 7: Dan.
Speaker 1: How many gullies with deep snow do you suppose they're
Speaker 1: in Colorado?
Speaker 2: Elk deer, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Oops like that, maybe being chased by a wolf from
Speaker 1: online all the time. But you have your knickers in
Speaker 1: a knot because people happen to have seen it part
Speaker 1: of nature that it's a false allegation.
Speaker 2: I don't wear knickers. In fact, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into those kind of details.
Speaker 1: But there's a brief, Dan, I can't find any long enough.
Speaker 1: But the point here being, wait a second, the fact
Speaker 1: that you cannot save them all doesn't mean you don't
Speaker 1: save the ones you can. Here's God's creature right in
Speaker 1: front of us, easily saved, dying a horrific death.
Speaker 2: That the fine city is doing what they can and
Speaker 2: the state won't step in. Dan.
Speaker 1: If the Department of Wildlife's position is let nature take
Speaker 1: its course, why do we need to employ people to
Speaker 1: do stuff that will happen regardless if we employ them
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 2: What a great point and.
Speaker 1: The fact that the rescue crew stopped in at breakfast
Speaker 1: before starting their rescue and knowing the elk had been
Speaker 1: stuck for twelve to fifteen hours, is the real story.
Speaker 2: It just is.
Speaker 1: Respectfully disagree, my friend. These the person who assembled that
Speaker 1: rescue crew had been trying to get the state on it,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing had reason to believe that.
Speaker 2: Who would.
Speaker 1: Of course, the State's going to come and save that
Speaker 1: very savable animal. It's just out there where everybody can
Speaker 1: see it. And I do think, I mean, think about
Speaker 1: how hard it is for some people to shovel their driveway.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's some real physical work. But here you
Speaker 1: got people going out into a deep snowfield with shovels
Speaker 1: to dig out an elk. I think they have a
Speaker 1: right to get some fuel first, Dan, Ryan is right,
Speaker 1: dig first, dine later. The animal was suffering, which I
Speaker 1: submit is why the States should have stepped in. There's
Speaker 1: no way I'm going to blame these good Samaritans who
Speaker 1: had come to do tough and potentially dangerous work.
Speaker 4: Dan.
Speaker 1: I agree with the Texter and Ryan. Even if you're hungry,
Speaker 1: it was an emergency, I would have been the first
Speaker 1: out to start digging while everyone else is eating. I
Speaker 1: don't even eat breakfast. Most often work very physically hard
Speaker 1: at my job all day and then eat one meal
Speaker 1: at the end.
Speaker 2: The thought doesn't always count.
Speaker 1: That from Jack, fascinating to me so many Texters critical
Speaker 1: of the group out in the early morning hours that
Speaker 1: was going out to do very hard work just fueling up.
Speaker 2: I mean, would you drive your.
Speaker 1: Car out onto a rescue mission like that without making
Speaker 1: sure there was fuel in the tank, especially when you
Speaker 1: got professionals paid all this money, who should be out
Speaker 1: there helping this animal? Which goes to our next text, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm amazed at the randomness of CPW efforts. I've seen
Speaker 1: them slingload elk herds, one animal at a time from
Speaker 1: one place to another by helicopter, and helicopters cost thousands
Speaker 1: per hours to operate.
Speaker 2: That from Brian Dan.
Speaker 1: The other thing is maybe they were having breakfast while
Speaker 1: planning how to deal with the wild oaks safely for
Speaker 1: the animal and the people. Tremendous point. You huddle up
Speaker 1: before you run on off tackle football play. You're gonna
Speaker 1: huddle up before figuring out something you don't do every day.
Speaker 2: You got this.
Speaker 1: Elk buried in its neck up to its neck and
Speaker 1: snow out in the field in front of you.
Speaker 2: How do we safely do this?
Speaker 1: So I admire the heck out of these people for
Speaker 1: traveling miles to do it, and I blame the state.
Speaker 2: For not rescuing this critter.
Speaker 1: And I loved the texture who said if it was
Speaker 1: one of Jared's prized wolves that were brought in to
Speaker 1: slaughter our ranchers livestock, yeah, that they would have deployed
Speaker 1: every state resource to rescue that animal. Eric and Loveland
Speaker 1: on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7: Hey, Dan, what a cool topic. Thanks for talking about them.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to put in my two cents.
Speaker 3: Uh uh.
Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of talk being thrown around
Speaker 7: these days about Nazis, and I think you would call
Speaker 7: these people Nazis. I'd like to. I'd like to nominate
Speaker 7: them for that term. These wildlife people don't know, no, Eric,
Speaker 7: they they they they're inhumane. They don't really they don't
Speaker 7: really care about the animals. They just care about doing
Speaker 7: their job by the book and by the rules, and
Speaker 7: they don't they don't care about animals lives. They really don't.
Speaker 1: Eric, I don't think that's fair and and and and
Speaker 1: i'd ask you if you have ever't inspect that up.
Speaker 1: And here's why I say that, my friend, what I
Speaker 1: see here, and I made it clear earlier, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not calling out any individual in particular. I'm calling
Speaker 1: out a bureaucratic mindset and a very bureaucratic garbage. We
Speaker 1: were fed afterwards about why that animal wasn't helped. But
Speaker 1: I could not even imagine that most, if not all,
Speaker 1: of these wildlife officers love wildlife. I'm talking about bureaucracy.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the state of Colorado. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think we saw here, just just a bureaucracy that
Speaker 1: was going to let this animal die a slow torture
Speaker 1: as death.
Speaker 7: I would like to give you an example. There's a
Speaker 7: guy who had a pet squirrel who he went on
Speaker 7: social media, which was foolish in New York, and the
Speaker 7: and the Animal Department, uh got wind of it and
Speaker 7: came and took it from it, and took it from
Speaker 7: him and killed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that wasn't Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I've got
Speaker 1: to believe, and I listen, I don't interact with that agency,
Speaker 1: but I've got to believe that people who go into
Speaker 1: that they love animals, they care for animals. I think
Speaker 1: this was a bureaucracy that just failed.
Speaker 2: You know, it's.
Speaker 7: Really disagree with you. I guess on the fact that
Speaker 7: many of them they probably do love animals, but it's
Speaker 7: maybe it's the higher ups, but it is a bureaucratic
Speaker 7: mindset that it's really dismissive, as we saw in the
Speaker 7: case of this elk of animal lives.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the bureaucratic mindset. And I'll give you a
Speaker 1: great example, okay, and it's a little short on time here,
Speaker 1: and well there isn't time to go through it right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, personally, and I think anybody just from living life,
Speaker 1: right this is going to ring true to you. People
Speaker 1: who go into that parks and wildlife, they probably dearly
Speaker 1: love animals. But then you get a lot of people
Speaker 1: in a lot of kind of jobs everything else where
Speaker 1: where you know what, they're not the boss, and you
Speaker 1: got the bureaucracy, and you got that lazy, bureaucratic mindset.
Speaker 1: It goes to what I was talking about the other day.
Speaker 1: After that horrific, unnecessary, plain disaster in DC. The standards
Speaker 1: are dropping in America, and the standards are dropping faster
Speaker 1: in leftist control places. Excellence isn't the standard anymore, Going
Speaker 1: the extra mile isn't the standard anymore. It's this this,
Speaker 1: you know, bureaucratic mediocrity. And I think that's what we
Speaker 1: saw in action.
Speaker 2: Here. You've got a.
Speaker 1: Beautiful animal right out there in the open. It's not
Speaker 1: in some gully ten miles away. You've got citizens coming
Speaker 1: from miles away with shovels to dig this animal out,
Speaker 1: and the State of Colorado wouldn't step in to save it.
Speaker 2: Give me a break. Yeah, that to me, that just
Speaker 2: speaks to these bigger issues.
Speaker 1: But it's wrong because that is a living creature that
Speaker 1: was feeling physical pain, that was obviously feeling emotional pain,
Speaker 1: and it's just wrong on every level. We're better than
Speaker 1: that here on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's it's just kind of about basic decency
Speaker 1: and if you just joined us, thank you.
Speaker 2: This is out of a.
Speaker 1: Steamboat pilot newspaper and it's about a big, beautiful elk
Speaker 1: that gets stuck on a Steamboat Springs property. So this
Speaker 1: is on a snowy gully on a Steamboat Springs residence property.
Speaker 1: According to this steamboat pilot piece, and according to the piece,
Speaker 1: after this elk gets stuck in deep snow all the
Speaker 1: way up to its neck. Neighbors were prepared to come
Speaker 1: from miles around to help, but a ranger with Colorado
Speaker 1: Parks and Wildlife advised them to let nature take its course.
Speaker 1: So you've got this home owner, as I understand the story,
Speaker 1: who's asking Parks and Wildlife to save the animal. And
Speaker 1: Millie Freed, the Steamboat Springs resident who conducted the rescue mission,
Speaker 1: is the person I admire so much or pulling this
Speaker 1: rescue crew together. And yeah, so she gets this group together,
Speaker 1: but in the meantime, she's asking the state to step in,
Speaker 1: as I understand the story, and the state didn't. And
Speaker 1: then you get this quote from the state's spokesperson that
Speaker 1: I consider to just be typical bureaucratic bs. From our standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's important to make sure that we're respecting wildlife and
Speaker 1: giving them space, especially this time of the year when
Speaker 1: they're already doing everything they can to conserve energy and calories.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're respecting that elk by letting it die.
Speaker 2: This miserable had to be a miserable, painful death physically, emotionally.
Speaker 2: That's respecting the elk.
Speaker 1: No. To me, that's bureaucratic, lazy, bureaucratic garbage. And I'm
Speaker 1: not faulting any particular individual.
Speaker 2: Named in this story.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bureaucratic mindset. And it's just to me, though,
Speaker 1: that this story just goes again to the heart of
Speaker 1: who we are in decency, because you know, anybody who
Speaker 1: says they believe in God, even if somebody doesn't believe
Speaker 1: in God, just just basic morality. You've got a living
Speaker 1: thing that feels physical and emotional pain.
Speaker 2: It's dying a torturous death. You can help it. It's
Speaker 2: not like it's at the bottom of a gully ten
Speaker 2: miles away. Just don't know. No, we don't want to.
Speaker 1: We don't want to make it worse for the animal.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna let it be tortured to death.
Speaker 2: There, Ernie and Cheyenne, you're on the Dan Kaplis Show. Welcome,
Speaker 2: Hi Dan here, Ernie.
Speaker 6: Hey, I would just like to give your listeners just
Speaker 6: my own little personal experience with the term compassion. You know,
Speaker 6: several years ago, I was in my backyard in the summertime,
Speaker 6: and I heard this god awful wailing of a cat
Speaker 6: that was in distress. I looked over the gate and
Speaker 6: I saw what appeared to be two dogs. What was
Speaker 6: two dogs when? Was a pit bull mix and the
Speaker 6: other dog, I don't remember what breed it was, but
Speaker 6: the pit bull mix had a cat in its mouth
Speaker 6: by the back of its neck, and the cat was
Speaker 6: just dangling there. And I had a little fat Shepherd
Speaker 6: mix dog named Chow, and I opened that gate and
Speaker 6: I said, Chow, get them. That dog ran down the
Speaker 6: alley about seventy five feet and smacked into that pit
Speaker 6: bull and enrolled it, and the pit bull dropped the cat.
Speaker 1: Oh what a great story, Ernie, And how great of
Speaker 1: you to do that, my friend, And thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing that story.
Speaker 2: And it makes me think.
Speaker 1: To our wonderful neighbors, the Schneiders, coyote got our little dog.
Speaker 1: We've had different dogs at different sizes, and this one's
Speaker 1: still with us. She's got to be one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty and dog's ears and Kyle got her and runs
Speaker 1: away with her. So she's a goner. And the neighbor
Speaker 1: has this wonderful honey dog. The Schneiders said this wonderful
Speaker 1: honey dog, Amos, And they said, Amos, go get them.
Speaker 1: Amos chased down that kyote, probably a couple of blocks down,
Speaker 1: Tackle to kyote. Kyleed freed, tests and forty nine hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and vet bills later, and tests is still with
Speaker 1: us and thriving us.
Speaker 4: Want a steak for the hero dog?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, amosy absolutely, yeah, God rest his canine soul.
Speaker 1: Rick and Boon, you're on the Dan Kapitlo show. Just
Speaker 1: do we need on this topic or any topic?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 3: Rick? I'm well, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm really angry about this story.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to absorb it. I just sitting on the
Speaker 3: radio here a little while ago, so I'm still not
Speaker 3: quite clear on exactly what happened. But as I understand,
Speaker 3: then in a deep snowfield kind of fighting, it.
Speaker 2: Was spared up to its neck and couldn't get out, and.
Speaker 3: A bunch of folks came out there with shovels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they.
Speaker 1: Wanted direct Yes, But the woman who owns the property,
Speaker 1: it's her big backyard. She asked the state to step
Speaker 1: in and save the animal, and the states said no,
Speaker 1: so she organized this group and they came from miles away.
Speaker 2: Rick. But while they were having.
Speaker 3: Breakfast, I can understand that. I can understand both sides
Speaker 3: of it. DoD Brussels folks shipped in to do it.
Speaker 3: It's what humans do with their empathy, and we tried
Speaker 3: to help. I would hope that somebody was out there
Speaker 3: with a pair of snow shoes and a rifle or
Speaker 3: a gun. It's all all failed.
Speaker 2: Rick.
Speaker 1: The music means that I've got a bar for news,
Speaker 1: But I Rick, are you able to stay my good friend?
Speaker 1: Rick is a wonderful caller. He raises Cati. He brings
Speaker 1: just a tremendous perspective to the show. We'll continue this
Speaker 1: conversation on the other side. Lots want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I say the States should have stepped in. It's awful
Speaker 1: they didn't. What do you think You're on the Dan
Speaker 1: Kaplis Show.