Speaker 1: I made a disas sunny sun. I had a vision.
Speaker 2: It's nice.
Speaker 3: What's happening everybody? Welcome to for crying out loud. Yeah,
it's our Friday show.
Speaker 1: It's our Friday show.
Speaker 2: I have like some funny I mean not super funny topics,
but fun but like fun some stuff I wanted to
talk to you about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, me too. Yeah, So
that's our show.
Speaker 2: It's just we're a little bit warm, is the thing,
and it lowers your energy a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna bring it up. We're gonna bring it up. Yeah. Yeah.
Did you have a nice week, like in between I did.
I did have a nice week. In the last twenty
five minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's still hot out here in the San
Fernando Valley. Natali's still at her first day sko huh
and uh yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's been a long week. It has kind of been
a long week.
Speaker 3: What do you think about the by the way, the
Menendez brothers.
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit okay, I'm a little bit mixed.
Speaker 2: It's funny because my podcast partner for Board a f
and Rose Pricks. We talked about them on our on
board on a different podcast, but and her take was
different than mine. But then she kind of turned me
around on it a little bit because I was sort
of feeling like, all right, they've done their time already. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also there were extenuating circumstances, which is what our
boyfriend Mark Erragos was trying to say, right, right, do.
Speaker 1: We still like Mark Erragos? I mean, I don't know,
we're neutral?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Neutral? He's fine? Yeah? What is he? Is he like
getting right wing?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, is he? I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean he does Two Angry Men with podcast with
Harvey Levin that I watch sometimes when they're covering like topics,
you know, And I mean I really haven't heard him
talk politics on that show. Okay, and Harvey Levin is
Harvey Levin?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well whatever, Yeah. The point is that, I mean
he's still.
Speaker 3: A defense a criminal defense attorney, right for people like
you know, uh, what's his.
Speaker 1: Name, Scott Peterson?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Well, somebody's got to be a defense attorney, though,
right doesn't necessarily say anything about your politics, right. In fact, well,
I would say a lot of liberal people are defense attorneys.
He's on the side of money. Let's put it that
way exactly.
Speaker 1: That's right. He's on the side of mind. Yeah so,
But anyway, I don't know where I stand on the
Menanda's brothers.
Speaker 2: It's there's such a high profile case that I think
people have mixed feelings about ration now, about why their motives,
about whether they should get out or not. Like some
people I think do feel like, hey, they've done their time.
There's people that have done way worse that are out.
These guys have been in jail their whole lives. On
the other hand, it was a pretty heinous crime, right.
Speaker 3: People are having a hard time with the with the
going back to the car and reloading and killing well
not just killing the mom, but going and reloading and
killing her, and that like why you know, it's a crime,
is a crime, but why, Like people are having an
art time like why the mom?
Speaker 1: You know, why the moment?
Speaker 2: Also, I think when your defense is like that this
dad was horrible guy, not saying he wasn't. I mean,
I think there are credible accusations that he was a
sexual abuser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Was he a horrible person who they were possibly justified
and killing possibly, But it wasn't like they killed him
in the act of abte you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean, It was like killed him while they
were eating ice cream from behind.
Speaker 2: Sitting on the couch. And it seemed that a big
part of their motive was money. Like if you want
to look at the fact that like how they started,
they went any money, and who they were and how
they behaved, it's kind of hard to be like, well, yeah,
it was just because they were abute, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I get it. I mean, and also
just because what about.
Speaker 3: Everybody else that's in jail that can't afford Mark Arragos.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like why you know, well,
but it didn't work. They didn't get out. Why it
didn't work.
Speaker 2: But also they were also getting like conjugal visits and
like you know, they're both one of them's been married twice. Yeah,
in prison, and it's like, hey, some people here like
can't even find one mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, right, I don't know, it's right.
Speaker 2: But then it's like the thing that they didn't get
out because of was cell phone use.
Speaker 3: That is the thing that I was watching Mark talk
about like that drove him insane because of cell phone use,
you know, like he he was like that's just a
bunch of bullshit. The other thing he was saying is
one of the councilmen or whoever's on the parole board
that denied Eric also was the same guy that that
okayed the parole of Sirhan Sirhan, Right. So it's like
and he the way described it, he did it for
political reasons in both cases.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. There's like motivations are not
quite what they seem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you see, Okay, so then like people
say to Mark, what about the mom, He'll say, well,
he will say that she, you know, was like the
gatekeeper for the dad to be able to do what
he had to do, basically like coming from her own sister,
coming from their own family members. The sisters of both
the dad and Kitty both want those boys out of
jail before they die. You know, they're very old at
this point, and they want to see them out of jail.
And they said that she you know, would say, like,
don't go down the hallway if her husband's and with
the boys, leave them alone, Like she was kind of
like the gatekeeper of the abuse. So he's trying to
get his buck on right, right, He's just trying to
get busy.
Speaker 1: No, that's horrible. I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree she's not innocent if she was allowing this abuse.
Speaker 1: It's just like, right, I do think.
Speaker 2: They're probably not being released for bad reasons.
Speaker 1: When they have been in jail, what have they been
there for like thirty years, thirty eight? I mean they
went in at eight.
Speaker 3: Well Eric was eighteen or nineteen when he was first arrested,
and so yeah, I was like nineteen and now there
he's fifty five, fifty four, fifty five.
Speaker 2: You want to look at what prison is for, right,
And they've done a lot of good things in prison.
Speaker 1: One of them they're not going to go kill their
parents again.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's no risk of that. One of them
started to hospice program in prison, and another one started
like the green space program, which for like the environment,
excuse me.
Speaker 1: So they have done a lot.
Speaker 3: They also have other inmates that have been released, you know,
that have come up on their behalf to say I'm
a changed person because of them. They helped me when
I was in jail, Like now I'm a you know,
different person.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Our political system is fucked up and there are political reasons,
so I think they should be let out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the other thing too, is they've been I
feel like they've done They've been there so long more
than a lot of people that have committed murder.
Speaker 1: They've been their extra you know, I know.
Speaker 3: But like then some people do commit murdering they get
life in prison as well.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I don't think that they're.
Speaker 2: A menace to society. And I think that they have
done a lot of good in prison while they've They've
started good programs while they were so and also the family,
there's the whole side of the both sides of the
family want them out.
Speaker 1: Like that's got to say something. You know, are they
in the same prison, Yes, yeah they are.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine then I was thinking to myself, imagine,
Like so the first I got the CNN alert like
Eric denied parole, and I was like, wow, I did
not expect that. And then I was thinking, could you
imagine if he got denied and Lyle got left let out?
Speaker 2: Like that would have been crazy. But now Garret Goos
is not slowing down.
Speaker 3: He's they have all this other stuff that they're filing,
some habeas corpus thing, and they have all these different
things and it can go in front of Newsome. But
I don't know if he's gonna let them out against
the parole board. You know, I don't know if he
would go against the pro I think he would have
let them out if the parole board, But now, like
I don't know, I don't know if he's.
Speaker 2: Going to because I remember that I thought that it
was going to be up to new Some.
Speaker 1: To decide, right it seems it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I think that it goes in front of the parole
Board and then it goes to him him and then
he decides, so he could let them out, But now
it's I think it's going to be tougher for him,
and you know, especially if he's going to be running
for president, to let these guys, I don't know, it
might be tougher for him to go against the parole board.
Right so, but so, but Mark said, he's not waiting
for that. He's got other shit cooking and he's not
He's like he's he's just now he's like pissed and
he's going full steam ahead. So God, I wish he
would come on our show. You know, we have a
good chance of getting them on our show.
Speaker 1: They got out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean first they're gonna have to do you know,
the big money with like twenty twenty and whoever, you know,
the big interviews. But then once they fizzle down and
they go on all the other shows, right, I mean,
we're friends with their attorney for god's sakes.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, we'll just take one of them. We
don't have that both. So the other another thing that's
kind of in the news.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this might be a stretch to
say it's in the news, but Kate Goslin the John
and Kate plus eight yea, her son Colin has been
like kind of saying some stuff doing some interviews where
he's basically saying that like his mom sucks, which we already.
Speaker 1: Knew, right, and that she.
Speaker 2: You know, did you know that when he was I'm
not exactly sure how old he was, but basically he's
saying that she's pretty bad for splitting him off with
the rest of the family and keeping him from his
siblings and like robbing him of the chance to be
close to his siblings. So a few years ago, so
Kate and Kate is basically like doubling down and going
he knows.
Speaker 1: What he did. Yeah, why is it such a cunt?
She is a such a cunt.
Speaker 2: I mean the haircut obviously gave it away. Like years ago,
we all knew she was a cunt.
Speaker 1: Right. Do you remember that clip where she was like,
stop breathing, No, stop breathing.
Speaker 3: She told her She's like, there's a clip of her
telling her husband like shut shut shop. He's talking and
then she's like that gets annoyed and stops him and
said and she's like, can you stop breathing?
Speaker 1: Well, this is breathing, but what's not come down too hard?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she's you remember the clip
where she wouldn't she wouldn't give her kids water, but
then she drank some water herself was saying I'm thirsty,
and she was like, shut up, just waiting.
Speaker 1: She's like then she and then she sits there was she.
Speaker 2: Has water in front of her and she unscrews the
cap and she takes like a nice sip of water. Yeah,
just just google to Kate Goslin and water.
Speaker 1: And what was the deal? She had? How many kids? Eight? Eight?
And were they all twins?
Speaker 2: So no, there were two older ones and then she
had like six. H you call that sex chaplets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she had two older ones and then them, so.
Speaker 1: She might have had twins and then six. Yeah, but
the older ones were twins or not. But the older
ones are.
Speaker 2: Calling and Hannah Okay, yeah, okay, I could be I
could be wrong about that. Don't don't fully quote me
on Okay, Hannah could be one.
Speaker 1: Of the younger ones. I'm not sure. Here's what I know.
Speaker 2: She sent the boy Callin off to a mental hospital.
Speaker 1: Did you know that when he was younger? No, I
don't know any of like.
Speaker 2: Off because of behavioral issues. She called it.
Speaker 1: She like put him in like a home, Okay, in like.
Speaker 2: A hospital basically for behavioral issues.
Speaker 1: Then the dad pulled him out.
Speaker 2: And also Hannah was one of the kids, and she
might have been one of the older ones. She went
and lived with the dad as well. And they both
say that the mom was like abusive, you know, and
that's why. And she said it was really hard to
make the decision to go live with her dad. But
that basically because I think they've been kind of brainwashed,
but that her mom was abusive. And the son Colin
is saying, like he thinks, you know, that reality TV
the whole like, yeah, ruin that wreck their family, but
also that you know, she was all about just being
on TV and it was all like a show and
she wasn't very loving. And then there's this clip where
she's speaking to his allegation where she's talking about him
and she's like basically like, well, when he was younger, Yeah,
something I really liked about him is he really helped
me a lot, like with the other kids, Like he
was a helper. It's like, so nothing you could come
up with that you liked about him, except like what
he could do for you exactly.
Speaker 1: She's just such a narcissist. She's so off. She is
a narcissist.
Speaker 2: Yet, so he now has no relationship with the younger siblings.
That's really sad, been talking, been coming out and saying
that he's really sad about it and that it's her fault. Yeah,
And then she's apparently making a comeback right now on TikTok,
like she's people are watching it just just because they
like watch. They like to hate watch.
Speaker 3: Because she'll do like she's gonna like show you how
she organizes her vitamins. Oh no, yeah, like how to
organize her vitamins for the day, and then she takes
this vitamin at this time and this and and she's
doing it for like, you know, a long TikTok and
people are like hate watching it. Like she could talk
about paint drying, and people would love to like hate
watch it. Like, but she's like and she thinks she's
killing it, but she doesn't realize people are like laughing
at her.
Speaker 1: Well she her laughing all the way to the freaking bank.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, how much money though, do you make
on TikTok?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Really? Can you make some money? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I mean no, I guess some people do
make some good money probably, But yeah, she strikes me
as just a narcissistic, just terrible person. And that's really
sad that that family, yeah's torn apart.
Speaker 1: But it's tough. You know.
Speaker 2: My brother, as you know, has worked on a lot
of these like big family shows, like.
Speaker 1: The multiples shows, and like, I.
Speaker 2: Certainly am not going to call out any specific families,
but like the business of having a TV show about
your family is very much a business.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that, Yeah, I could see.
Speaker 2: That you're not just hey, here's our family, just having
a normal life, like no, these people are.
Speaker 1: Right very much in you know, oh yeah, and it's.
Speaker 2: All about let's hammer out our storylines. This is what
we want to showcase. This is the businesses that we
want to promote, like it's a business.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it reminds me of the whole Ruby Frankie thing. Yes,
And she was like Kate like the og. She was
Ruby Frankie before Ruby Frankie pretty much. Yeah, yeah, I've
seen like by the way, like honey booboo, remember her
like she was, she was like the little princess thing
and then her they her and her mom went off
to do a reality show after the Tierras and princess
like she started there, but then it was like she started.
Speaker 1: On toddlers and tierras.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you're right, yeah, and then they love that show,
I know, and then she broke out and started then
they did, they got their own.
Speaker 1: Show, Here Comes any Boo boo who here comes anybody?
Speaker 3: And it started when she was little and it went
all the way until she was like, you know, going
off to college and having a boyfriend, and then her
mom was fucking Lulu like cuckoo, like went off the
deep and was doing drugs and missing and going to
jail and all kinds of shit. And when you watch
You're on the Tierras and Toddlers show, she's her mom
is married to the goofy guy and they're just like
this you know family that goes and clips coupons and
goes to the grocery store together. And then she became
like divorced from the guy, and then you know, like
thinking she's all that, and then got like plastic surgery
to get skinny and lost all this weight and uh
and it's.
Speaker 2: Like and then, by the way, all things I would do, right,
be sure that if I had my own TV show
would not be clipping coupons the.
Speaker 3: Right minus the meth and the ten different boyfriends and
ending up in jail and the domestic violence all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, and she had an older sister that passed away,
one of the older sisters of her right of cancer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, of the mom or of honey, of
which one's honey boo boo, honey boo Boo's the.
Speaker 3: Daughter, the daughter she's the one to remember when she
would talk with her, her belly button would talk.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bolly button together, they.
Speaker 2: Called her honey boo boo, they called her bob yeah,
and it was honey Boo boos.
Speaker 1: And Mama they call the mom mom mama. Okay, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: Honey Booboo's older sister passed away from cancer when she
was like in high school, when honey Boobu was in
high school.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: But the point is they had like eight seasons. For
God's sakes, this family, like and look where they started
and look where they ended up.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Also, there's a show that you told me to watch
that I watched, and that was about a girl that
was stalked for like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called it was called Stalking Samantha Thirteen Years
of Terror, and it's on Hulu.
Speaker 2: Okay, this was so creepy, wasn't it creepy? Yeah, you
guys need to watch this. Yeah, so this guy was
stalking her. She never dated him. They were literally like
she was just nice to him. And oh my god,
I'm going to say something that is so controversial right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. You know how whenever whenever there's a mass shooting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's always this point of view that like
the reason why some boys, especially become like, you know,
mass shooters, yeah, school shooters, is because like people think
of them as a weirdo and they're isolated and they
don't like you people that won't sit with them at lunch.
I've always had the point of view that maybe those
that kid is fucking creepy, And I don't think that
I don't think that people should be trained to not
follow any instincts. Like there's a difference between bullying somebody
and purposely like isolating somebody because we've just decided that
we're mean kids. And you might be thinking, hey, I
listened to your Patreon, Like there's mean girl activity out there.
And bullying, and that is very true. But sometimes some
people come off as like weirdos and are anti social personalities.
And I don't think the answer is like, come on,
people be nicer. So it's come aut lunch, go against
your instincts.
Speaker 1: I agrees.
Speaker 2: Here's why this girl freakin was just nice to this
guy who was kind of a weirdo, and she was
the only person that was kind of that was nice
to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was like in college. I think when she
met they had like a church group or something that
and she was just nice to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people thought he was a fucking weirdo, but
she was like, well let me, let me be nice.
She's like a person that was nice to everybody. And
what was the reward for that being stalked?
Speaker 1: Thirteen years of being stocked? Yeah, you would not let up. Now.
Speaker 3: She got a restraining order at one point and then
the last two years. No, I think it lasted like
eight years, didn't it. The restraining ye eight years? And
then the day it expired, he shows up in a
completely different town joining her like adult soccer league in
the evenings, Like.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: The guy shows up that like the day the thing expired,
eight years later, and she still tried to.
Speaker 2: Be nice, right, like, uh no, I won't go get
a like restraining order again, like this minute. No. And
plus he's not really doing anything right, He wasn't right, Yeah,
but he.
Speaker 1: Following her around, follow every single place she went.
Speaker 3: Yes, And in this documentary you see video that was
taken from his phone of him like taking pictures of
her while she's camping, videotaping her, driving by her house,
videotaping that. There's tons of like, and then there's the
CCT footage of like, yeah, so eventually he like kidnaps
her and holds her hostage, but like seats the video
of the the unit of where he was keeping her hostage.
Speaker 2: I mean, crazy story. It is a crazy story. It's
like a couple episodes, I think, right, yeah, I think
it's two episodes. Two episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fascinating to me, And yeah, exactly, but
case in point of what to your point about some
people are just fucking creepy. Look what's now all coming
out of Brian Kohlberger. How all these reports of people
not feeling comped, like getting creeped out, Like there was
reports of him when he was working at the Washington
State University as a tha in his criminal justice class.
There's reports of students like he would follow them close behind,
or they would walk into a room and he would
stand right behind them, very close, like in their personal space.
He would like belittle them sometimes or call them out,
and to the point where the faculty was thinking about
not giving him his his degree or something, putting him
on probation because of his behavior. And then they never
followed through with it. It was like, so, yes, people
felt the creeps from this guy, and and and yet
what do we tell our daughters, like be nicle, be nice?
You know, there's a difference between like being nice to somebody,
like in elementary school, the kid that like doesn't have
anyone to sit with at lunch. Of course, of course
we should encourage our kids to be inclusive and be nice,
and that could really but we're talking about like in
high school when boys are being super fucking weirdo creepers
and they're sitting around in their basement with other boys
coming up with hate lists and like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need to like, no, listen to your
gut nicer to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Now listen to the gut listen to
your gut is always right. Now he's he's like complaining
to the staff he wants to be moved because he's
getting threats of being raped in prison, and they're like
flooding his his jail cell, like they're doing something with
the with the plumbing system. So his jail cell has
been getting flooded and he's getting, you know, threats of
being raped.
Speaker 1: And so he actually wrote a letter.
Speaker 3: To like the the the warden, saying can we please
can I please move to a different cell block, like
it's the fucking Marriott, Like this room's plumbing, Like I
can I be moved to a different room?
Speaker 1: Fuck you dude, Now that's jail fucker. Good luck. Yep, yep.
I don't think he's gonna last in there. Yeah. I
don't think he's gonna last much longer?
Speaker 2: Have you? Okay, there is this movie that I want
to tell you about. Yes, okay, two things. One did
you ever listen to It's the Doctor Deaf that podcast?
So it was one of the seasons. It might have
been like season two, maybe it was season one was
the one where where they made a Netflix documentary about
it called Bad Surgeon. Yeah, and it's with the guy
that was like doing these surgeries on people, like windpipe surgeries.
And the woman who was the journalist, she was doing a documentary.
Her name was Benita, Yeah, and she was doing a
documentary about him, and then like fell in love with him.
Fell in love with him. Okay, But then this was
my thought about it. So I was like, I got
to look up. I got to see what this woman
looks like. She was like a little bit older. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Wasn't she working for ABC News? She was a reporter. Yeah,
she was doing a story. So I look her up.
Speaker 2: She's super pretty, you know. And then I had this
thought though, like Okay, so this guy starts telling her
that they're going to get married at the Vatican. The
Pope is going to marry remember this, Yeah, And she's
like really because like but we're both like divorced. So
and he's like, don't even worry about it. I'm going
to have a beautiful wedding with.
Speaker 1: The meat balls. And he oh. I talked to Papa Us,
the Pope. I spoke with him.
Speaker 2: He's he loves us, he loves it. He's going to
he wants us to be the first divorce a couple
that it's you know, and she's like really, oh my god, amazing, Right, Okay,
what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And then like said, like the Clintons are coming, yes, right.
Speaker 2: Super close with the Clinton. Clinton can't wait to be here.
He's going to be his best man, like stras coming back,
Bama Obama, Obama's were coming. Yeah, right, But this is
what I was wondering, How dumb is she? Right? Like?
Speaker 1: And also it if.
Speaker 2: It was me, let's just say, I would be like
a fuck out of here, you liar?
Speaker 1: Right? But is it something because she's so pretty?
Speaker 2: Is this like a pretty privileged thing where you're just like, well,
I mean I've seen myself in the mirror, Like I
guess I believe it.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't the pope want a marriage? Right?
Speaker 2: Because it can't just be that like, well, this guy's
so amazing. Everybody loves him. Like do you do no
homework at all? Like have you never googled anything? Do
you not find out? Like I just didn't understand. And
in the interview, like on the podcast, they kind of
keep asking her so like no red flags, like nothing,
and she's like no, not really, She's like because it
all it seemed to track. How did it try? Yeah,
how were you, Just like it just took finally. Somebody,
like one of her friends was like, hey, by the way,
the pope is not even going to be there at
the time that you're supposed to get married, and she
was like, oh oh, because at one point he was like,
my love meanmore, I'm going you, I will plan the
whole thing you. He's like, don't you may have to
make me one promise you don't. Might you mind your
business and I'm going to surprise.
Speaker 1: You with everything? And she's like, okay, I mean he
likes planning stuff. No, he's a busy sucking.
Speaker 2: Surgeon apparently doing surgeries without like a medical degree or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's super busy doing that.
Speaker 2: But he's also planning your whole wedding at some palace.
Speaker 1: Right, because that's what guys in that position do.
Speaker 3: I am planning, you know, And like you're a journalist,
you don't think that's a little weird. You don't want
to like, yeah, google, like, when's the last time a
pope performed.
Speaker 1: A wedding at the Vatican.
Speaker 2: So I was getting really annoyed listening to it because
I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just listening to you just listened to it recently.
Speaker 2: I just really I was just listening to it, yeah,
like over the weekend, and I was, you know me,
I go back and I'm like, doctor Death.
Speaker 1: That sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: And then I look in my podcast app and I've
listened to every episode of every season. So then I
just go, well, I don't remember it, yeah, start over
you Yeah. And then I'm listening to it and I
was just like, this, dumb bitch, I know, I do
not feel sorry for you, because that is crazy they
thought that that could possibly be true, right right, like
how do And then I'm listening to one right now.
I think it's the new the latest season, which is
it's not brand new, but about a guy who this
guy is like a total criminal who said he had
a cure for AIDS, he was curing HIV and it's
all and they're talking about all the people like he's
working with Fauci and he's working with all these people,
and I'm like, I cannot believe all these people that
fall for like.
Speaker 1: Does nobody do it back?
Speaker 2: I have to do his Google people like it takes
one person and then the one person who's like a
little suspicious, you know, everybody's like, oh god, why are
you suspicious?
Speaker 1: This is a great guy.
Speaker 2: There was this guy got this letter recommendation from this
other pretty famous like respected doctor who wrote a letter
of recommendation for this guy who was a complete fraud
criminal all somebody had to do. At one point, they
like looked him up and they're like, oh, he never
went to school where he said.
Speaker 1: He went to school. I mean, you would do that
for a guy you date on bumble, right, But they're
not right.
Speaker 2: But they're right, Oh, well, this guy's charging people hundreds
of thousand dollars to cure cancer. And then he's like, here,
I made you a drink with nutmeg, And they're like, oh,
it sounds kind of crazy, right, right, might it work?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? I know?
Speaker 3: I just think that people are just so like I
guess they get lost in the fantasy of it or something.
I mean, it's like with the doctor Death Chick, you know,
like there was so many red flags from beginning to end,
even in his profession, right, Like people were.
Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody the surgery he did surgery on a little
girl who was born without a wind pipe, right, he
did this surgery, and then everybody was like, oh my god,
it's a miracle and then then she died. Yeah, but
they didn't look into it at all, like maybe it
was because he doesn't know how to do surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't get that.
Speaker 3: How does somebody get into that hospital and perform surgeries
and like people trusting their lives. It's not like he's
doing you know, like plastic surgery. He's doing fucking wind
pipe surgery, right, you know, didn't he say like he
was going to bathe it in DNA or something and
then put it back in or some I mean it
sounded like, ah, that could work, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Though. These people are always like they double.
Speaker 2: Takya you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're like, oh,
I guess, I mean I don't know how to do
with surgery.
Speaker 1: Second guess. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like it made kind of sense, like okay, and then
it grows on its own and then you put it.
I don't know, but like really though, like you got
to have a boss in front, Like isn't there somebody
that employs you and goes over your resume? I don't
get it. But yeah, as far as his girlfriend, like
that was just crazy. She must feel you never watched
that documentary with her in it where she was talking
about it or did you.
Speaker 2: Forget because I was just listening to the podcast. But
they did do They did the Netflix documentary. It was
called Bad Surgeon, Yeah, which is about that case. I
need to go back and watch it, but I know
that there was at some point she was like, really
like the Obamas, and then she had a friend that
knew somebody that worked in the office for the Obama
so she had somebody ask them, and that the people
were for the Obamas were like, no, they've never heard
of them. Wow, that sounds like then it starts. She
started to have some suspicions at that point, but she
would bring stuff up to him a little bit and
he'd be like, oh my god, it's so funny that
you thought.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no here right.
Speaker 2: She was like, well, the Pope, the Pope's not even
going to be there, and he goes, oh, oh, oh
I meet I. I yes, I heard that, but I
don't know what accent I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Now you're doing a good Italian accent.
Speaker 2: I know you heard something about the pope there, but
let me speak to him.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I'm so upset. I don't worry. I'm
going to talk to him. He's going to change his plans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got of like blackout dates like in Disneyland. Like,
oh yeah, he's not there on those dates.
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, those are the dates he's not there.
Oh my god, something bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I gotta check the Vatican calendar a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's do it the next weekend. You're back.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's so great, Cater, It's all going to
be cool. I'll rearrange it with the Obamas.
Speaker 1: Everybody's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ten minutes later, he's like, it's all good. Everybody's
we're back on right.
Speaker 1: What was his end game?
Speaker 3: You know, like what was his what was gonna happen
on the wedding day when it came, or or even
like what was his what was he trying to do?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, that's a good question because she she
was like, well, so she becomes she's finally onto it.
Speaker 1: She finds out that he's a fraud.
Speaker 2: So she just keeps it going and he's like, oh,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: You know, no, you misunderstand.
Speaker 2: So she pretends to be like or was she pretending
I don't know. She says she was pretending to Now
she's just playing along.
Speaker 1: Then she says to.
Speaker 2: Him, like, you know what, maybe we should like, you'res
under a lot of stress right now.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of like windpipe surgeries lined up.
Speaker 2: Here's what we should probably do. Let's let's postpone the wedding.
Let's cancel the wedding for right now. But like we're
still totally in loved, like.
Speaker 1: Do not even worry totally marrying you.
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh my god, that's amazing, okay,
And then she says he was very relieved because he
didn't have to keep up the ruse, right.
Speaker 1: So, I don't know what, but like, how many women
are in the world.
Speaker 3: Why did he feel like he had to con this girl?
Or you know, I don't know, or no, or he
was I don't know. I don't get it. I don't
get what his end game was. Did he love her
so much that he wanted to marry her and wanted.
Speaker 1: To impress her? Was that it?
Speaker 3: Or was he trying to impress his coworkers that he's
marrying an ABC journalists.
Speaker 1: Don't forget he had a whole family.
Speaker 2: Oh he was married with kids living in Italy, that's right,
and he was but and she busted him.
Speaker 1: So she had a friend. She sent her friend.
Speaker 2: They all went to Italy and then that they all
spied on him and they saw that there was like
a woman and kids in the house with him. So
these friends of hers went to the house and they
were like, knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 1: Hey, okay, uh is a so and so here.
Speaker 2: And anyway, then they're like, oh my god, this is
so crazy, but we just happened to be in Italy
and we're really good friends with Benita, and we just
have a wedding.
Speaker 1: Gift for you. Oh is that what they did? And
he was like, oh uh cool, cool, thank you so much.
Oh they said it to him. They said that to him.
Speaker 2: He answered the door okay, and they were like, yeah,
we just we just wanted to give you a wedding gift.
Speaker 1: And then they're like.
Speaker 2: Trying to look over his shoulder like like like you know,
scope out, and he's like bobbing and weird, so like
with nothing.
Speaker 1: To see you back here, thank you for the gifts.
Speaker 2: Let me take this cake caddy upstairs to my wife
right now.
Speaker 1: My wife.
Speaker 2: So they're like, okay, you sure we can't come in
for a minute, right wish you a happy.
Speaker 1: Wedding, and he's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I'm very windpipe surgery upstairs, Room one, my bedroom, concierge
service for the windpipes.
Speaker 1: So then they leave and they go tell Benita.
Speaker 2: There's a fucking whole ass wife and kids in there,
and then then she was real mad, and she was
but I feel like this was when she was still
playing along. So then I was like, all right, Benita, yeah,
like yeah, if you already knew he was a fraud,
why are you this upset that he also has a
wife and kids.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean what was she expecting to see?
You know, like, yeah, yeah, that's why you got to
watch the documentary because there's video of them showing up
at the house. I remember seeing them in the car. Yeah,
they were doing the drive bys. They videotaped themselves in
the car doing a drive by. I gotta watch this now, Yeah,
you gotta watch it. And then they show like I
think the wife and they they they or the kid
or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good. So whatever happened with that guy?
Is he in jail?
Speaker 3: That's the other thing I don't know. Did he go
to jail? Where's Kaelin. Can he google it for us?
Speaker 1: Let me call him in Long Beach, call the LBC.
I'm gonna look at it as bad surgeon.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got up, and I've got another I've got
another thing to tell you, Okay.
Speaker 1: So then I watched this other show.
Speaker 2: Basically I was looking for something to watch at the
gym because I've been going to the gym like every
single day. That's pretty by the way, I know, but
I really I've graduated from listening to podcasts to watching shit, right,
and I so I watched I watched so many things.
I watched Hit Makers okay on Netflix, which I watched
all that at the gym. And then I've been watching
Building the Band, i watched Perfect Match.
Speaker 1: I've been like wow on a TV. Okay. I was
kind of out of stuff to watch.
Speaker 2: So I found this movie, a Netflix Flix movie, okay,
like a Netflix original Obsession. Okay, have you seen this one?
It's about another surgeon. Okay, it's about this surgeon who
meets his son's girlfriend and then they immediately start having
sex because you know, like you do. Yeah, this is
any of this ringing a bell to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So the girl's name, so the it's all like he's
a happily married guy. He's this amazing surgeon, and it
opens with he's just done this amazing surgery where he's
separated conjoined twins, okay, And then they have a son
who's like in his twenties. And then we find out
that the son is like really into his new girlfriend
and they're going to meet her and her name's Anna.
And then he meets her at this like something where
somebody's doctor is getting awarded something, you know, some gala yea,
and he meets her and she's like she he spots
her from across the room. She's very beautiful, well according
to him, you know. And then he talks to her
at the bar and it's immediately like she's so over
the top, like hello, like, and then he's got a
drink and there's an olive in it and she's like,
is that for me? And then he feeds her the
olive in her mouth and I'm like, and she's being
just super seductive and he knows she's like he knows
the name of the girlfriend. So she says her name
and that's the name, and she's very purposeful, like she's
hitting on him.
Speaker 1: But they don't know who the who they are? He yo, no,
no do he'll do.
Speaker 2: So she says her name and he's like, oh yeah,
I'm the jad dad. And then she's like I know
or something. I know I've been wanting to meet you.
You're an amazing surgeon.
Speaker 1: You know. She's just immediately super over the top hitting
on him. And it's supposed to be one of these
like psychological thrillers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so right away, I'm like, okay, let me figure
this out.
Speaker 1: Okay. So he here's the thing she's going after him. Okay.
So then the like the.
Speaker 2: Next scene, basically she starts calling his phone. She looks
somehow she gets his phone number, she starts texting him,
and then they fuck like like a scene in They're
like having crazy sex. Right. So I'm like, okay, okay,
let me try to outsmart the writers of this show. Yes, right,
so I start going, Okay, here's here's what I think
it is.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think the ending is.
Speaker 2: She was a conjoined twin and he like fucked up
their surgery and like killed her, killed her twin. Now
she's like seeking revenge, so she's gonna she she only
started sleeping with the son to get to the dad
and then she's gonna like ruin his life. Ah Okay,
then we find out basically, now, this came out like
two years ago, so if you haven't seen it, I
don't think I'm ruining it for you. At this point,
it's four episodes. Yeah, it's like thirty five minutes long. Okay,
so I only watched the first two, so I'm not
spoiling the ending for anybody, Okay, but he So basically
one of the things is she's like a submissive, so
she's like, you own me, I'm gonna do whatever you say. So,
like in the first scene at their house, he's like,
can I get you something to drink? And then she's
like yeah, and he goes, okay, what do you want
to drink? And she's like whatever you want me to drink?
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm like okay.
Speaker 2: So she's she's she's working the you know, she's playing
three D chess right yeah, yeah, okay, So then they're
having crazy sex. It's very sexual except for honest to god,
you know how that one show that we watched was
like lady porn, Yeah kind of yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 1: Like rug munching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was like regular dude porn except for soft porn,
and I was like, this is not sexy for any
any women.
Speaker 1: I think I could be wrong. Yeah, but like you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know when sex in shows is like very
animalistic and the guys just like starts fucking you from behind, yes,
and you're like, well, in real life, you're not ready
for that to be happening like one second, You're not
like you.
Speaker 1: Make out for one second and then and then you're
just like all kind of step. Yes, that's not realistic.
I'm sorry, it's not. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's some unicorns out there and they're like, yeah,
I'm ready to get in one second of kid, But like,
have these people never heard of like foreplay? A guy
is watching this and turned on, like just watch regular porn.
You don't need the story, right right, Yeah, we're the
ones who like a little backstory.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So it's just immediately like they did.
Speaker 2: They just like wants to just like fuck her from
every angle and consume her. He's super super obsessed with
her right away.
Speaker 3: Okay, and she's down obviously like going for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so I am creating all of this great
writing this. I'm like okay, so here, this is.
Speaker 1: Why I have that storyline.
Speaker 2: Then he she has a diary and it's but it's
like tied up with a ribbon. And he sees that
she has a diary and he's like, I want to
read your diary, and she goes at some point, at
some point, you will, okay. So now I'm like, here's
what's going to happen. Okay, She's going to kill herself,
and then she's going to have written in her diary
like all sorts of like lies about this guy. She's
going to have sought revenge on him, right, Okay, Okay, no,
because like then in the next scene, she's like, okay,
you can read my diary, and it's like this, and
at every turn I'm like, yeah, movies, this sucks so bad.
This show is so so bad. Right, So I found
I found a review of it. I was like, well,
let me just go see I read the spoiler you did.
I was like, now need to see what happens? Yeah,
oh okay, now I want to know. So here okay?
So here was here was the plot point, though that
is a bit of a spoiler. If you really don't
want to know, then fast forward like a minute and
a half. Yeah, but this isn't the spoiler to the
whole thing. But he says, I want you to tell
me something about yourself, a secret that my son doesn't know.
I want to have something that about you. So she's like, okay,
I have a twin. I have a brother. I had
a brother and he died by suicide. And the reason
he killed himself was because he was obsessed with me.
He wanted me sexual, he was obsessed with me, and
I turned him down. Himself her twin or her just
her brother.
Speaker 1: Okay. She just said I had a brother, yeah, okay,
and he died okay.
Speaker 2: And it was my fault. He was in love with
me and he wanted me and I turned him down.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So at this point, right I'm like, okay, okay, now,
oh I see what's going on. It is something about
the being a surgeon that twins. There's something with brothers
with siblings. Yeah, and that's a lie and whatever. Okay, Well,
spoiler alert on the whole thing. I was totally wrong, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to read you a little bit
of this review because I thought it was funny. Okay,
So those familiar with the work of Richard Armitage. Probably
expect to see him a certain kind of way. So
this is the guy who plays the dad yeah grim
composed down to business. The man doesn't smile. He glares
and smolders, and sometimes he fucks a pillow. I cannot
tell you how bizarre and unsettling it is to see
Richard Armitage from the Hobbit Movies pounce on a hotel
bed like a bassett hound sniffing out a treat in
search of the scent of his lever, the previous occupant
of the hotel room. When he finally finds the scent
lingering on a throw pillow, he stuffs his face into it,
as though the scent is the only thing keeping him alive.
After wildly sniffing the pillow for a few seconds, Armitage
turns over in the bed and while the pillow is
stuffed over his face, yanks down his jeans and starts.
Speaker 1: To jerk it.
Speaker 2: After a few seconds of that, Armitage turns back over,
stuffs the pillow beneath him, and fucks it to fruition,
trembling and crying.
Speaker 1: Then he goes. I like Armitage chiseled good looks.
Speaker 2: The ability to glower on cue a lack of personality.
He's a blank slate. He's the epitome of serviceable, a
perfect mid tier Netflix actor, and he excelled in and
then he goes on and then he goes There's a
lot of steamy sex and obsession, but unless you have
a specific kink, it's probably not going to do much
for you. It made me incredibly uncomfortable, and that's because
Armitage's character, surgeon William Farrow, spends a lot of time
fucking his son's fiance Anna Caesar, across a room at
a party, and they wordlessly stare at each other, and
soon thereafter they're having animalistic sex on floors, up against
walls and out in alleys. It's anyway, uh. And then
it goes when William is not having sex with Anna,
he's stalking her, following her around the city, even if
that also means tracking her while she's with his son,
Hannah does not mind anyway.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: I just love the description of this because they make
it sound so cheesy.
Speaker 3: Is so cheesy that I mean I've seen like it
sounds to me like a lot of Netflix movies that
I've already seen that are pretty cheesy to begin with.
There's there's one called It's It was a series two
seasons like Hot for Sex or something like that or
I can't I don't know, but it was so cheesy
hot for teacher not have, Like, uh, I could picture
the actress. She's a really pretty brunette. Oh god, I
gotta figure it out. Well, if we had Kaylan.
Speaker 1: Kaylan wouldn't find it for us. Sex life. I think
it was called okay, yeah, sex life.
Speaker 3: And she was married and living in the suburbs, but
she was in love with her ex boyfriend from when
before she got married, and then she started having an
affair with him. Turns out spoiler alier he's a dick.
And then now but the husband finds out that she
was cheating, so now he starts to it's just this
whole thing. But it was so cheesy and like every
scene was like gratuitous sex and you know, ridiculous. So like,
that's Netflix for you, But what was we don't like,
you don't know what the obsession was.
Speaker 2: Well, I could tell you the ending, but then everybody's
going to be mad because then.
Speaker 1: Well I want to know. I'll tell you. I'll tell
you after we right after. Okay, I'll tell you what
actually happened. Okay, and you know I found out so dumb.
It's so dumb.
Speaker 2: But you for the for those of you who are
mad right now that you want to know what happens,
just google it. Google the movie up session the spoiler.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the disgraced Italian Swiss surgeon, Yeah, Paolo Macriani. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
his story is the subject of Netflix here. The key
conviction in Sweden, So he was he a Swedish appeals
court sentenced him to two and a half years in prison.
Speaker 1: So he served that it, Yeah, two and.
Speaker 2: A half years, two and a half years surgery without
a license.
Speaker 3: Yes, the court ruled that he had acted with criminal
intent and was indifferent to the risks of the procedures.
Speaker 1: Conviction upheld his uh uh.
Speaker 3: He appealed the sentence in the Sweden's court, but the
appeal was denied October twenty third, holding his conviction in
prison term served sentenced in Spain. Then he went to
Spain and he began serving his time in a prison
near Barcelona. Okay, and then he had charges in Italy. Yeah,
he only served like a couple of years in prison.
Speaker 2: So he's out now he's out, Yeah, probably doing surgery.
Speaker 1: Probably wow, room number one upstairs. Yeah, hi, darn it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully he's not doing Hopefully he's banned from that shit,
I would.
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