1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,839 your source of information and analysis to help you win 3 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:16,199 your fantasy hockey league. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: Block off hot a step hit on, staylock. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Souvier and Victor Nunio. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,559 Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Live once again. Jesse Severe, Victor Nunio. But 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,280 it's a three man booth today. First of all, we 8 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:34,920 got Ryan Downey here. We'll be hearing from him. Why 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,000 don't I introduce him first? 10 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:37,439 Speaker 3: Ryan? How you doing today? 11 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 4: I'm great. There's a third mic in the intro for 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,560 the first time maybe ever. 13 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: I think it is, man, but you've earned it. You've 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,799 earned the third mic because you're doing the you're doing 15 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:50,920 the lord's work here. And Victor Nunio, the Fantasy Hockey Doctor. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,759 How are you doing, Buddy? 17 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:55,799 Speaker 5: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah, it's exciting. We watched some games, 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,920 actual NHL games last night, and we're recording on the 19 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:02,520 second night of the season, and it's just awesome to 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,519 get back in the swing of I think all of 21 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,480 us we're staring at our rosters all summer for months 22 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:10,159 and nothing was happening, and now it's like things are happening, 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,079 people are playing, there's scores that are happening, and people 24 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:16,280 playing that you didn't expect and all these things, and 25 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:18,599 so I just enjoy that so much. How you doing, 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,560 my friend, I'm doing great. 27 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:21,239 Speaker 3: I'm doing great. 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: We're living in schrad Aingers baseball playoffs right now. Because 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,719 we're recording this a little early in the week. Everybody, 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,319 by the time you hear this, the first round of 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,879 the playoffs will be resolved. But nonetheless, Ryan and I 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,879 are caught up in playoff fever because our teams remain alive. 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Ryan's in the center of the sports universe in Toronto 35 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:48,359 is hoping to beat those stinky Yankees. Ryan, how are 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,040 you feeling on that right now? Which will be completely 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,480 irrelevant by the time people hear this. 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: It's been exciting, right The vibe around the city is incredible. 39 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:59,319 You can't go anywhere without seeing Blue Jays paraphernalia. People 40 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:01,680 are really excited. I was at a bar last night 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,000 watching Game three, which of course ended nine to six. 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,680 For those dastardly Yankees and the Blue Jays they've been 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,199 it's been exciting to watch, for sure, and just the 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,560 way that they're winning their games racking up all those 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,719 runs and getting all those hits and home runs, and 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,240 you just got to hope that it'll keep going for 47 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,840 another couple of days here. I guess we'll find out 48 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:21,439 by Friday. 49 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody recording this is going to really identify 50 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,840 when we're recording. But the Brewers are up to well, 51 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,560 they could sweep the Cups. If they don't. Please nobody 52 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,759 tell me. I don't want to know, so please just 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,960 nobody tell me if the Brewers love this year, this series, 54 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,360 because I don't think I can take it. How are 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,360 the Giants doing Victor? 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: Oh great, I totally don't care since they're not in it. 57 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:47,479 But yeah, no, it was they Actually I started as 58 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,280 I only pay attention towards the end of the season, 59 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,639 and they were in it for a while, and then 60 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,479 they just had a horrible run. I think they were 61 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,439 like two and eight. I was like, oh, they have 62 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:56,159 a chance here, and then they just couldn't win a game. 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,000 It was awful, but yeah, it was. I do enjoy 64 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,719 playoff baseball. Who can pay attention for one hundred and 65 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:03,960 sixty two games, I don't know, But when the games 66 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,080 really matter and they're intense, I really enjoy it. It's 67 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:06,639 a lot of fun. 68 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's never going to hold a candle to 69 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,400 the Stanley Cup playoffs because you know what, In case 70 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:14,479 you forgot, this is a hockey podcast. I took us 71 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,240 on that little diversion, but we're here to talk to hockey. 72 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,719 You can talk about a lot of things over on 73 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,400 our Fantasy Hockey Life discord. It's free. Email us Fantasy 74 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,759 Hockey Life at gmail dot com to get us in there. 75 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:29,560 We've got a great episode ahead of us today, Victor, 76 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:31,439 is there anything you want to tell the people before 77 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:32,159 we get into it. 78 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 5: No, that's good. We're excited to bring you all the 79 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,039 in season content and yeah, I definitely keep checking it out. 80 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:50,199 Speaker 6: Be back right after this. We are on our first 81 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:52,080 episode of Tidy Takes for the season. 82 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: And you know what that means, folks. I hand the mic. 83 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:01,039 We hand the mic over to the irreplaceable and unstoppable Ryan. Ryan, 84 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,120 take it away, buddy. 85 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: We are back on the third season. I think, guys 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,759 of Tidy Takes great to have Jesse in the studio 87 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:12,479 here today. Usually it's just me and Victor talking, you know, 88 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,159 about these prospects and young pros. But I love to 89 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:17,319 have the third mic here should be a lot of 90 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:20,399 fun as we open. The season of Tidy takes here. 91 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,040 And for those who are unaware or who just started 92 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,160 listening to Fantasy Hockey Life this summer, maybe because of 93 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:29,319 the excellent beat Writers series. These two guys do every summer, 94 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,839 and I say summer, but starts in April, so it's 95 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:34,680 really just a six month project for these guys. The 96 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:38,519 Tidy is the FHL Fantasy Hockey Life Tiered Dynasty League, 97 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:40,560 and the idea of this league gets in the model 98 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,839 of a dynasty league, but with relegation and promotion and 99 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,560 several tiers up and down. You have to earn your 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,839 way to the top division, and if you do poorly well, 101 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:51,920 you might be relegated. Relegation and promotion means you won't 102 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,480 be able to take your team with you. But the 103 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,680 teams that aren't relegated or promoted, which is most of them, 104 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,959 keep their entire team and try again next year. Relegated 105 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:03,839 and promoted teams build next season's team from the players 106 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,079 left behind. For the managers who departed, the tier that 107 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,120 they are entering receiving priority draft selection, and occasionally they 108 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,000 take part in larger dispersal drafts if enough teams become 109 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,120 available due to attrition or otherwise. There are four tiers 110 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:20,199 in the Tidy with six divisions, the Lord Stanley Division 111 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,600 at the top where Victor and I currently reside, Gretzky 112 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,279 and Lemieux in Tier two, and that's where you'll find Jesse, 113 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,639 Or and Yoger in Tier three, and Lidstrom in Tier four. 114 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,759 And this is as Jesse said, the Tidy Takes. What 115 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:37,439 is Tidy Takes. Tidy Takes is a semi frequent offering 116 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,319 courtesy of yours truly, where I curate a list of 117 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,959 interesting trades across the Tier Dynasty league, focusing specifically on 118 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:46,920 prospects and young pro players whose names you've likely heard 119 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,439 on this very podcast. We use the trades as a 120 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,560 jumping off point for player discussion and analysis, and also 121 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,120 discuss how this may affect the teams involved within their 122 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,800 tiers in the Tier Dynasty. We also interview the managers 123 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,759 to get their thoughts on how the deals came to be, 124 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:03,639 and we share polling data from Tidy managers about what 125 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,480 our Tidy community thinks of these deals. So, with all 126 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,720 that preamble out of the way, let's dive in with 127 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:10,839 our first trade for today from the Ore Division in 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,079 Tier three, and I should just say all of these 129 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,879 trades have happened in our off season and trades opened 130 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:20,759 in August in preparation for our entry draft, so many 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,480 of these trades will be from around August twentieth until now. 132 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:27,360 So our first trade is from the Ore Division in 133 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:31,480 Tier three, featuring two teams, the Wild Gophers and Glocta, 134 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,279 who's a frequent name on this podcast, a frequent trader 135 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:38,639 in the tidy. The Wild Gophers add former Minnesota Golden 136 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,360 Gopher center Logan Cooley in exchange for goaltender Jet Greeves 137 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,879 one for one trade. I did have a chance to 138 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,079 catch up with both the Wild Gophers and Glocta, and 139 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,759 here's what they had to say. Glocta felt that he 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,879 had to do something to get a goalie with upside 141 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,079 since his second best goalie was Jonathan Quick. Goalies are 142 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:57,839 not easy to get and they seem to have a 143 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,240 lot of value in this league. I made a bet 144 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,360 that Greeves would take over the crease this season, and 145 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:04,319 if his numbers are near where they were last season, 146 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:06,439 the deal is an overpayment, but it will be worth 147 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,079 it and the Wild Gophers obviously wanted to it's great 148 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:12,959 that they get to add a Gopher here, and that 149 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:15,759 was part of their reasoning for sure, But Wild Gophers 150 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:18,120 did say that today saw that Glocta was short at 151 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,000 goalie and looking for depth, and so thinking that trade 152 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,720 might be pretty even thinking that Kooley is a top 153 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:25,839 tier asset right now and will continue to be for 154 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,519 a long time, and if Greeves can match what he 155 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,600 did last season, that he could become a top tier 156 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:34,079 asset as well. Our tidy managers are very much in 157 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,720 favor of the Logan Cooley side here ninety six percent 158 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:39,000 to four percent. So a bit of a lopsided start 159 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,920 to this tidy take segment for twenty twenty five. But 160 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,839 I know Victor has been chomping or champing rather at 161 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:47,199 the bit to talk about this one. Victor, what do 162 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,040 you think about Logan Kooley for Jet Greaves? 163 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:54,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. When I first saw this, I thought, Wow, 164 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,199 this is so lopsided in Cooley's favor. I think a 165 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,959 lot of us, especially the ones that like younger play, 166 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:03,199 really feel like Cooley is going to pop off. I 167 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,600 think he's going to be a perennial ninety plus point center. Now, 168 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,519 that may not happen this year, it may be as 169 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,360 early as this year, getting close to point per game, 170 00:08:10,399 --> 00:08:13,199 but I think that he has tremendous upside. So it 171 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:17,480 definitely feels a little bit like you're trading future production 172 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,439 for a little bit more immediate help, and sometimes you 173 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:22,040 have to do that. I get it, and I certainly 174 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,720 agree that Greeves has potential to steal an end Columbus. 175 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:29,079 He is probably in that tandem Regilicans is probably the 176 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,960 most vulnerable starter out there, so I see that. And 177 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Columbus is a team on the up and up, and 178 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,279 he did amazing at the end of last season, So 179 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,320 I get it, and I like that bet in general, 180 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,240 betting on a guy to take a step, betting on 181 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,000 a guy to be better with the team around him. 182 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,279 I just think that Greeves has such a small sample size, 183 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,720 and I don't really like that bet in terms of 184 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:54,120 if you're going to give away such a premium asset 185 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,960 like Cooley, I feel like you should have gotten something 186 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 else back, or maybe aim a little bit higher, right, 187 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:00,799 aim a little bit higher than Grieves, maybe like a 188 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:03,720 John Gibson type who wasn't as proven. But it's going 189 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,360 to be more secure in the starter. Of course, you're 190 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,879 limited by the options and who's available and who you're 191 00:09:08,919 --> 00:09:11,720 trading with, so I understand that, but yeah, I felt 192 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:13,679 like I would have aimed higher, or maybe tried for 193 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,039 a different asset, or maybe get Greeves plus see who 194 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:19,440 else is on the roster and get some other help. 195 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,679 In addition to that, that was my initial reaction. 196 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,799 Speaker 3: Looking at this boy, it's tough. I have two thoughts. 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,440 One of them is this may be one of those 198 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:32,679 where we all think this was incredibly lopsided. I think 199 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,039 on paper, it's unsurprising that people thought Cooley was a 200 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:41,120 much better get than Grieves. One thing about the tidy 201 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:45,960 format is if you get through this year and get promoted, 202 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,519 it don't matter anymore because that team won't be yours anymore. 203 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,440 Those ninety point seasons can belong to somebody else. If 204 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,879 you get significantly more and you feel significantly confident for 205 00:09:55,919 --> 00:10:00,000 this year. Now, this glacka team. This is a legit team. 206 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,360 I don't know if he's looked at it. Austin Matthews, 207 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,840 Cole Kawfield, Will Smith, We've got some Timo Meyer, Lean Hudson, 208 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:14,000 Charlie McAvoy, Alexander Nikishin, Shane Wright, Matt ve Mitchkoff. This 209 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,399 is a stacked team and it's got a lot of 210 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,440 young guys coming up. If anybody could spare, believe it 211 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:22,559 or not, somebody like this, it probably was this team. 212 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:26,480 And literally Jed Graves is the second goalie on this team. Yeah, 213 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:29,600 I think in a vacuum the value of these two 214 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:34,360 strongly leans to Logan Cooley. But this Sash, he's not dumb. 215 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:37,720 He has a strategy here in mind. Maybe this was 216 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:40,840 the best he could get and just he'll have the 217 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:43,720 last laugh if he is looking down at the rest 218 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,440 of this league from the next higher tear next year. 219 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. Context is everything, Jesse, as you say, and especially 220 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,519 with the Tidy, goalies are a very rare and valuable 221 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,879 commodity in this league. I should mention that the goalie 222 00:10:57,919 --> 00:11:00,919 scoring for the Tidy seems to be fair standard across 223 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,480 a lot of mainstream leagues. But we offer four points 224 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,279 for a win, minus one point five for goals against, 225 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,960 three for a shutout, two for an overtime or shootout loss, 226 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,399 and saves our point three to five each, so you 227 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:13,879 can really rack up a good score and your goalies 228 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:16,200 won't make you go negative, so they're one of the 229 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,360 few we do have with our forward positions that there 230 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,440 are significant areas with our Fenwick scoring giveaway take away, 231 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,120 that kind of thing where you can go negative, and 232 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,960 having this asset that can only give you positive points 233 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:31,600 is good. Also important to note that we do have 234 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,080 a games played limit in the tiered dynasty of seventy five, 235 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,600 but that is only for skaters, So it's the skaters 236 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:40,000 game played limit, which means you can play as many 237 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:41,879 goalie games in the week as you want. And so 238 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,679 you find a lot of the top teams in this 239 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:48,480 league tend to have three or four starting goaltending options 240 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,279 so that they can really maximize those starts from With 241 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,480 that in mind, and with what Jesse shared about how 242 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:56,399 Glocta is a pretty stacked team, it makes a lot 243 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,159 of sense to me that he would move on from 244 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,039 a guy like Logan Cooley to bring in a goaltender 245 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,879 like Jack Greeves who could very well be a forty 246 00:12:04,879 --> 00:12:08,759 two to forty five start guy this season with potential 247 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:11,279 for more. It makes a lot of sense in the 248 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,600 context of this league. Personally, I would prefer Logan Cooley 249 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:17,200 myself just looking at my own team and how not 250 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,080 deep we are at the center position. Give me that guy, 251 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,279 but it totally makes sense in Glotta's a situation here. 252 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:27,440 Continuing in Tier three with the Yogura Division. Here we 253 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:30,120 have a favorite on this podcast we like to discuss 254 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,759 our friend Marcus has acquired young defenseman here Tristan Luno 255 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:37,639 from the Anaheim Ducks, as well as Brock Faber, the 256 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:42,080 kind of stalwart defensive stalwart for the Minnesota Wild and 257 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:44,799 a team that has been renamed since we've talked about 258 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,279 them on this podcast, formerly known as JB, a frequent 259 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,399 contributor to this segment as he is a very frequent trader, 260 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,519 now known as the Jamie Bens acquires for those two 261 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,480 defenseman winger Zach Bolduke of the Montreal Canadians, and Marcus 262 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,559 had this to say when I asked him about the deal, 263 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,720 that he drafted Bull Duke in the dispersal with the 264 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,639 intent to trade him for a defenseman since he wasn't 265 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,080 able to secure the defense he had hoped in the 266 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,159 dispersal draft, and that JB the great trading partner, that 267 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:15,879 he has laid several options on the table, saying that 268 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:18,960 Faber plus would be his price to acquire brol Duke 269 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,559 and so Faber already haven't been rewarded with a long 270 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:24,559 term and a price he deal with the wild that 271 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:26,919 tells Marcus that he's going to be a focal point 272 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:29,120 of that team for a long time, and that while 273 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:31,759 Bulduke had a great year previously, that he would take 274 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:33,080 the guy that he knows is going to be a 275 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,080 factor long term versus the up and comer. He also 276 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,639 figured that Bolduke would be on the third line since 277 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,960 he wouldn't be overtaking Suzuki or Doc and specifically I 278 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,720 guess for power play time, and so it makes sense 279 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:49,320 that he would move on from Bolduke to get those defensemen. JB, 280 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:51,879 on the other hand, saw Bulduke as a good fit 281 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,440 with his team, recognizing sometimes you need to overpay give 282 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,000 more to obtain a player that you like. He thinks 283 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:00,000 that Bulduke is going to be a great, complimentary player 284 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:02,840 in Montreal who will play with high end talent, and 285 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:04,919 he doesn't think he gave too much since he felt 286 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:07,799 he needed to drop players anyway to be roster compliant 287 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:10,639 with Billiam Cumming. He didn't want to keep a favor 288 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,399 and there's a lot of defenseman in Anaheim, so there 289 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,720 was some concern around Luno there. Our tidy community is 290 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,840 pretty firm on their thoughts favoring the side of the 291 00:14:18,879 --> 00:14:21,519 young d I guess it depends on your opinion on 292 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:24,159 Bolduke's upsete. So Victor, what do you think Bulduke can 293 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,759 do in the Bleu Bloi rouge? 294 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: Are you saying that so, Job, I think that people 295 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,120 are over reacting a bit to Bullduke. I do. I 296 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,480 think his production was pretty modest last year in Saint Louis. 297 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:39,840 I think that they're really excited about his move and 298 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:44,240 his ability to maybe improve on that forty one point pace. 299 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,440 Thirty six points and seventy two games is what he had, 300 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,840 and he's certainly surprised with that. And I think that 301 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,720 there's also peripheral contribution, so it's not all points, but 302 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:56,519 I think that one of the issues that are one 303 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:58,039 of the things you have to look at. Yes, his 304 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,759 underlying metrics were excellent bo offensively in debt, Defensively, he 305 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:06,559 looks very strong and a lot of those and those components. 306 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:10,279 But he's going to a team in Montreal that has 307 00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:14,200 some young talent already ahead of him. They are pretty 308 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,480 stacked obviously with Demidov. How is he going to get 309 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,639 into that top six. I don't see that happening, So 310 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:22,879 he's probably a third liner. He's not getting power play time. Realistically. 311 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,600 How much is the time on ice going to go 312 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:26,320 up from where it was in Saint Louis. He was 313 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,840 getting almost thirteen minutes a night. Sure, I think he 314 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:33,360 could probably get closer to fifteen or so, maybe, but 315 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:35,320 I don't know that it's going to change that much. 316 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:37,159 So I don't know that he's going to get that 317 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,639 much better than what he did in Saint Louis. Maybe 318 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:43,440 there'll be a slight uptick, but I think some people 319 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,000 are looking at this of this they're going to be 320 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,960 a pretty substantial improvement, and I'm just not sure that's 321 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,559 going to be the case. And then, on the other hand, 322 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,440 you look at Faber, whose rookie season might end up 323 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,720 being his high water mark. I think that when he 324 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:00,480 first came and he first was breaking out, it was like, WHOA, 325 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,000 this guy is really impressive, and he is a really 326 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:05,679 impressive player in real life. He's really able to shut 327 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,559 down some of those top players, and he continues to 328 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:11,080 get power play points. He continues to be out there 329 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 lots of minutes. But he's just one of these guys 330 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,360 that's just going to be way better in real life 331 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,879 than in fantasy. Although with tidy scoring, as you mentioned, 332 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:23,200 with takeaways with Fenwick, with some of these other play 333 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:25,679 driving metrics, I do think that's going to give Favor 334 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,799 a pretty substantial floor. And I do think that I 335 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,519 would rather have him because good defense is hard to 336 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:34,440 come by in this league, so I like that one, 337 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:37,000 and Luno is a cherry on top. I would say, 338 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,039 I don't know that he's going to be able to 339 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,759 do much, but he is someone who has some potential 340 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:45,759 still and hopefully they give him some opportunity to show 341 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,279 what he can do. But I definitely like the Favor side. Basically, 342 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,320 I think that there might be a little bit of 343 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,639 overreaction to bull Duke as someone who may or may 344 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:58,559 not be able to get more opportunity in Montreal and 345 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,360 then getting If it was Favor for Mulduke, I think 346 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,639 I still would have much preferred Favor, but the fact 347 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:07,079 that he got Luno, also, assuming there's roster space, it 348 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,640 really tips the scale from me. What do you think, Jesse? I? 349 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see Faber is as you said, Victory's 350 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,640 puzzle right now is you look at the Jamie Ben's roster. 351 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,319 He had seven defensemen who had more average points per 352 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,279 game last year than did than did Brock Fabor was 353 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:31,079 just in the mix. He went from five point two 354 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,079 down to three point four Tidy points per game last year, 355 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:38,519 and he played seventy eight games, So he's taking advantage 356 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:41,519 of the fact. This guy's still got some name value now, 357 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:46,599 all things being equal, especially in a just a blank slate, 358 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,119 what I like Black favor more sure is Tristan Lunau 359 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,640 going to get his head above the water of just 360 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:58,160 average waiver wire defenceman still unknown, he's starting out the season. 361 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,279 I believe in the miners. I'm still see in the 362 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:03,640 green flag on him anyway. And Zach bolduk did have 363 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,359 a hot end of the season, so this was a 364 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,119 need for nee trade. I don't don't. I don't begrudge 365 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,720 either person here. It's possible that a block Favors here 366 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:16,240 this year resembles last year. It'll look a lot more 367 00:18:16,279 --> 00:18:19,960 even to Tidy voters. But I understand brock Favors still 368 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,119 got higher name recognition, and Zach Boldoog may also have 369 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:27,440 had his hot year last year, we'll see that this 370 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,519 is very much a verdict out. But I get I 371 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:32,200 guess what I'm saying is I get why the guy 372 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:34,279 who came out on the wrong end of the votes 373 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:36,559 did what he did, and I don't think it was 374 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:37,519 necessarily dumb. 375 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: I gotta say, I'm loving having Jesse here to look 376 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:44,359 at these teams and say, actually, this makes sense for 377 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,519 the Jamie Binns, and this makes sense for Glocta. There's 378 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,279 a lot of things to consider here, and I think 379 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:51,920 it's one of the one of the downsides I think 380 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,039 of having all these poles is you just present them 381 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,680 one for one without any context. And so it's important 382 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,319 to note, of course, as you've said that that the 383 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,440 JB team, the Jamie Benn team, they were loaded on 384 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:07,720 defense and they felt that they could get rid of 385 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,000 a guy like Favor to bring in help at wing. 386 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:13,039 Although I love Brock Favor as a hockey player and 387 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,559 I love Tristan Luno as a hockey player, and if 388 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:17,559 this were real hockey, they would be on my team, 389 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:20,759 no question. I can see the argument for bull Duke 390 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,160 having that upside as a second line winger. Maybe he 391 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,200 eventually plays with Davidov. Maybe he bangs and crashes in 392 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,680 front of the net and puts in some of those rebounds. Ultimately, 393 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:32,880 that's going to be a more intriguing asset in fantasy hockey, 394 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,480 at least for me. And there's no guarantee that Luno 395 00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:37,599 will even make the Ducks with the glood of young 396 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,240 d there, he's maybe the seven to eight guy right now. 397 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:43,119 Him and stein Soldberg stand out to me as guys 398 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,960 who could maybe take that next step and be up 399 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,039 with the Ducks sooner rather than later, but otherwise needs 400 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:51,039 to wait for an injury, so he may need a 401 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:54,359 trade to be relevant. Faber is steady but will continue 402 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,880 to have his offensive time. And I was cannibalized by 403 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,559 the likes of zeb Bulliam, so I'll lean bull Duke, 404 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:03,039 although I totally get why you would pick Faber Victor 405 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,400 and with that, we're going to take our first break. 406 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,720 We'll be right back with more tidy takes. 407 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 6: Beyond what are you going to do again? 408 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 5: Selfish breaking down. 409 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: Skate, don't bat. He's still gonna be there when you 410 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,200 kind of jumps on, taking coast to coach talking for angles, 411 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,559 were still shot bad bonce. 412 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 5: That's a good breakaway to get the bounced boys, and. 413 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:36,599 Speaker 4: We're back and we're continuing with the younger division where 414 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:39,640 they've been very busy, and actually the Jamie Benz are 415 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,039 on the docket again here right now. They acquired a 416 00:20:43,079 --> 00:20:46,039 first round pick and Liam Ogrin in the days before 417 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:50,039 the Tidy draft for Mason Lowray and Radcot Goudas and 418 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:54,000 Devon Levi from Scott Deter, a very active member of 419 00:20:54,039 --> 00:20:57,119 our discord, a very beloved manager. In the Tidy, he 420 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,880 also included in that first round draft pick and ended 421 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,279 up being James Hagens, so you can look at this 422 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:06,000 effectively as Ogrin and Hagen's for Lowray, Goudis and Levi. 423 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,039 I did the talk with JB about this trade as well, 424 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,039 and the person who did move Tristan Luno in the 425 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:14,720 previous deal had this to say, obviously, again a lot 426 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,000 of d men in Anaheim, and he feels that Goodis 427 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:20,519 has passed it and that he included Devon Levi as 428 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:25,319 a bit of a deception seeing Buffalo currently adding goaltenders. 429 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,000 For example, they had georgiev and now he's on waivers, 430 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,759 and then they just picked up Colton Ellis the other day. 431 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,880 So lots of turboil and the crease there, especially with 432 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,440 the UPL injury. So JB is not sure where Levi 433 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:40,200 ends up in the near future, and that he is 434 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,319 really a Hagen's enthusiast and that believe he believes the 435 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:46,200 ceiling is very high there. On his team. He has 436 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:52,240 players like Misa de Demidov, Hagen's Slavkovsky, Liam Ogrin, like Ramaki, 437 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,920 lots of great young players here at great young Core, 438 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,880 and he feels that for him it's all about getting 439 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,759 the young or almost ready guys that he can get. 440 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,119 Scott had this to say, and I'm going to read 441 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,359 this verbatim, and I'm just going to just toss it 442 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,839 to you after that, Victor, because I want your genuine 443 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,440 reaction to this. But Scott did pen a bit of 444 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,480 a screed for me to read on the podcast. So 445 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:18,559 here we go. On a calm summer's eve, sipping on 446 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,759 a whiskey sour, I contemplated the upcoming entry draft. While 447 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,319 I traditionally lust for the younger players, I had long 448 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,599 since turned down the fateful road of going all in 449 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,599 for tidy FastTrack after smelling the sweet aromas of it 450 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,279 in the previous season Alas I held the number three 451 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,480 pick in the entry draft and was mercifully out of 452 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,480 reach of the temptation of young Misa or Schaeffer. So, 453 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,599 buzzing on my mid range bourbon, I cast my net 454 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,519 to the league of bidders for the number three picks, 455 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,720 and to my imparadise, I caught interest of the formidable 456 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,400 Jamie Bens. He too shares a fondness for youth, and 457 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,799 made a tempting first offer. Liam Ogrin was not property 458 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:58,400 I would relinquish easily, but knowing he would not likely 459 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,720 serve my team in a great regard this year, I 460 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,720 pounced upon my prey in a swift manner and sunk 461 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,880 my teeth in. Wanting both youthful vigor and veteran might 462 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,119 in return, I trumpeted demands for Sir Lora and Lord Radco. 463 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,960 The d swelled in the offer, but in my zeal, 464 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,160 with my loins already tingling, I needed more to give 465 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,119 up the chance at a future star at number three, 466 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,240 and requested the services of netminder Levi. If Jesse is right, 467 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,839 I may not even get five matches from Levi, but 468 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,160 I still walk away with my head held high and 469 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,559 a bulging d spot from the deal, Victor, your. 470 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 5: Thoughts, Wow, I think Scott has a future in writing 471 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,240 lustful hockey trade novels. I think if that's not a genre, 472 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,359 I think he just created it. That's pretty exciting stuff, 473 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,960 that's pretty interesting. I love that we get that contribution. 474 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,920 Well done, Scott at her. I would say that in 475 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,599 general this is pretty fair. I did that. The votes 476 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,680 are almost even in terms of it's close to being 477 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,359 a draw, with some leaning towards the Ogrin Hagen side. 478 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,920 Certainly you can imagine Hagen's being the best part of 479 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,839 this deal years for three to five years from now, 480 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,519 But for now, I think Lowri, Goudas, even Levi is 481 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,480 a pretty great trio of players to have. I talked 482 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:21,920 recently about Lori and about how there's a lot of 483 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,119 upside there, but there's also some risk and some needing 484 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,559 to figure out better five on five play and defensive metrics. 485 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,200 But he is certainly a high upside guy and should 486 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,720 be running the power play in Boston and goodus. You 487 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:38,799 know what you're getting with him. He's a solid banger. 488 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,680 He has a really good Perferle floor. With the weight 489 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,799 added in tidy too, defenseman and play driving, they should 490 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,200 be a little bit better this year in Anaheim. So 491 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,920 that's all really nice. So you really like to see that. 492 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 I think there's a really solid Perferle floor there. And 493 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,720 then Devin Levi, we've been waiting for him for a while, 494 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480 and it seems like he's finally going to be able 495 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,279 to get some games maybe here there in the near future. 496 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,680 So I like that. And especially with the flex to 497 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,079 be able to move those goalies, those minor goalies up 498 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,319 and down, I think that's a really solid strategy. So 499 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,599 I love that, and I really like Ogrinto on the 500 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,400 other side of this deal. But I feel like Ogeron 501 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,880 might end up being one of those guys that's a 502 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,359 better real life player than a fantasy asset. I'm not 503 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,240 sure that he is guaranteed top power play time. I'm 504 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,640 not sure that he demands top six minutes. I certainly 505 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,480 think he can play there. He doesn't really have a 506 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,079 space right now, though, and so he might just end 507 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,200 up being a middle to bottom six piece who's a 508 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,000 really effective play driver and a steadying influence in that lineup, 509 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,119 but maybe not necessarily someone you want to have on 510 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,039 your team. And of course, if Scott it Or does 511 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:47,039 get promoted, then he's not gonna worry about James Higgins. 512 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,119 So you like, those attractive young pieces are always really exciting, 513 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,960 but you have to be realistic and say, am I 514 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:54,880 even going to be here to reap those rewards? Am 515 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,720 I going to be able to put that player into 516 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,599 my lineup? And if the answer is no, then yeah, 517 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,799 makes sense to move it. What do you think, Jesse? 518 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: First of all, I think this is going to be 519 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,119 the highest rated show in the history of Fantasy Hockey Life. 520 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,640 I'm already cross promoting as we speak on romance novel Reddit. 521 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,319 See if we can get some new listeners to come 522 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,279 into the show and scott it. Or you may have 523 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,920 opportunity for a spinoff that you could put in the 524 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,079 Fantasy Hockey Life Network, which we would create just for 525 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,079 the occasion. On first glance, Liam Ogrin and James Haggens, 526 00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:32,200 I understand how they came out ahead in the voting. 527 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,720 I'm actually surprised that they only had forty seven percent 528 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,079 of the favor here versus Laura and Ngudas and Levi. 529 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,640 I really am worried about Levi and his ability to 530 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:49,799 get substantial starts in Buffalo. It just yeah, he mentioned 531 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,039 me when it came to Levi and it's depressing me. 532 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,440 It kind of surprises if you look at Scott Itter's roster. Now, 533 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,599 he's going to have eleven defensemen, and keep it in mind, 534 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,880 you can start six. You only have a twelve man bench, 535 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720 so when everybody gets healthy, he's going to have five 536 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,640 defensemen out of twelve players on his bench, which to 537 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,599 me is too many. Of course, he'll always probably have 538 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,359 somebody injured, but he's got Owen Pickering, Jeremy Poitier, and 539 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:18,640 I don't think kayshawn Ahchison is supposed to come up 540 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,279 this year. But he has a couple others in the 541 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:23,160 miners as well, so he's really he's got some very 542 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,559 good defenseman and then he's going to have guys to 543 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,079 roll in. He's got Kill mccarr, Darnell Nurse, Zane Perek, 544 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,200 Layne Hudson, Drew Dowdy, good lord, why do you even 545 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,880 need and Thomas Harley, why do you even need backups? 546 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,359 When you have that that certainly we know who's going 547 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,960 to start on a given night. I love rydko Gudas 548 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,000 though I think he's underrated, he could definitely be a 549 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,119 win now piece and of course he's an Anheim Duck, 550 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,039 which means he's going to be playing all those extra 551 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,240 games on off nights, the captain of the Ducks. I 552 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,039 get it. I think in a vacuum, I feel like 553 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,519 he probably could have got more for what he traded 554 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:02,079 away here, Scott Detor, that is. But I get the strategy, 555 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,880 and I just stand in awe and slow clap applause 556 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,480 for the icing on the cake that he provided us 557 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:11,279 about this trade. 558 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesse, I just want to jump in on that 559 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,960 Devin Levi point. If you've scan back two years, the 560 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,880 way that people were talking about this guy was that 561 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,880 he was the next big thing for Buffalo. He was 562 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,119 the next coming of Ryan Miller. He's going to be 563 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,599 the big volume starter. And I think it's just another 564 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,880 one of these situations that Kevin Adams and the Buffalo 565 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,519 Sabers put themselves in, where they expect too much from 566 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,960 a young player and they stunt their development. And now, 567 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,160 just like we've seen with Jack Quinn for instance, and 568 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,119 until last year, you could say the same about a 569 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,119 guy like JJ Pitterca, these guys get rushed in and 570 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,119 it's just so unfair and it stunts their development. And 571 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,920 now we don't know what's going to happen with them. 572 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,920 If I were having to decide to move on from Levi, 573 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,279 I think it'd be pretty easy decision. And then you 574 00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,640 look at other players that went on that side, like 575 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,839 Mason LOWRII this is the Boston Bruins, and they talk 576 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,359 a big game about this being the year they're going 577 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,880 to hand it over to the youth. And yet as 578 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,880 I check right now, there's only one player, maybe two, 579 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,319 that are under the age of twenty five on that team. 580 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640 And you have guys like Fabian Lisel and Georgie Murkilov 581 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:21,279 and lots of great, high upside, high skill players. Mason 582 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:24,559 Lowry is one of those high upside, high skill, high 583 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,640 risk players, and I just don't think he's going to 584 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,480 get the runway that he might get on another team. 585 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,480 And so I don't think we're going to see too 586 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:33,559 much from that side. And so for those reasons, I'm 587 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,880 on the Ogrin Hagen side. Ogrin looks to be getting 588 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,680 some form of opportunity with the Wild this year. He 589 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,279 saw time in the middle six, swapping with the Jesse's 590 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:46,000 favorite young player Danieli Yurov. At points. Ultimately likely he 591 00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,440 will settle in the bottom six ers the thirteenth forward. 592 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,680 But if the Wild continue to rely on veterans like Tarasenko, 593 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:56,000 trendon Marcus Johansson. We've seen various types of those players 594 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,240 see miss time with injury, so I think you're going 595 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,759 to see some auction from Ogrid as soon as this year. 596 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000 And then Hagen's is just it's an obvious It's an 597 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,559 obvious conversation here, But to Hagen's is going to be 598 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,960 an excellent player as long as Boston doesn't unduly complicate 599 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,119 things for him. I understand this deal with those benchmarks 600 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,559 not likely for some of those other players. I'll take 601 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:20,480 Hagen's and Ogrin here as well. And finally, we have 602 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,160 one of the more interesting deals to discuss, more for 603 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,440 the managers involved than the actual players. We have our 604 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,559 first trade in the tiered dynasty between a parent and 605 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,359 a child. As Mystics also known as Donna, has grinded 606 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,000 her way to the top division of the Tidy after 607 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,400 several very impressive seasons in the lower tiers and will 608 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,200 now be facing off against her son, reigning Tidy champion 609 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,240 and NHL Rank king, Mason. I hope I got all 610 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,359 of his titles right there, Jesse, you can maybe let 611 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 me know, but clearly Fantasy Hockey excellence is genetic, and 612 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,599 we'll talk more about that in a second. First, let's 613 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:57,799 talk about the deal. This happened on August twenty first, 614 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:01,279 so about two weeks before our raft, our entry draft 615 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,440 for the rookies, Mystics acquired goaltender Mad Soguard for the 616 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,799 autumn Senators, left winger Carter Maser and a twenty twenty 617 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,480 five third round pick, which ended up being William Moore. 618 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960 At the back half of our draft, there Mason, the 619 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,839 NHL Rankking, acquired from his mother defenseman David Reinbacker and 620 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,279 twenty five third round pick, which turned out to be 621 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,960 Ivan Prosmetov. And I'm just going to say that these 622 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960 third round picks cancel each other out. We did have 623 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,759 some issues with both of these picks due to some 624 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,359 internal rules of the tidy. Some picks were made that 625 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,079 were not allowed, and so both Moore and Prosmetov were 626 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,240 kind of replacement picks, and so they're irrelevant to this deal. 627 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,720 I'm thinking of it more as Mad Soguard and Masar 628 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,240 for David Reinbacher. I asked the Blacks about the genesis 629 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,839 of this deal, and here's what they had to say. 630 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,839 Starting with Mason, that he watched the Dispersal draft pretty 631 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,920 closely and noticed that Mystics got pinched on goalies, that 632 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,720 she was the only team that didn't have back to 633 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,240 back picks, and there were really only five legitimate NHL 634 00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:01,440 starters in the dispersal All five got picked in a row, 635 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,079 leaving Mystics with just one, and so by the end 636 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:06,319 of the draft, the Mystics had built a solid team 637 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,079 with glaring strength of defense and a lack of goalie depth. 638 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:12,400 Mason's own team was lacking in defensive prospects, so he 639 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,079 was looking to add a decent d that might be 640 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,759 streamable up and down from the Miners. Hence David Weinbacher. 641 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,839 Mason has solid goalie death, which why he was comfortable 642 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,799 giving up mad So guard despite the Miners eligible goalies 643 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,200 easily being the most valuable position in the tidy, and 644 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,839 on that I do agree. Soguard is on a one 645 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:31,799 way contract and there was a decent amount of buzz 646 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,680 that he might make the Senators at the time of 647 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,279 the trade in August, and he was eventually their last 648 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,400 cut from camp. So guard has had injury riddled season 649 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,680 after injury riddled season. Being a bigger guy, they tend 650 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,440 to get hurt a bit more. The Mystics had drafted 651 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,119 Marilyn and so this was a decent handcuff that could 652 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,440 get some NHL games this year. As for Carter Maser, 653 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,839 he's another guy that had some sneaky upside and got 654 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,839 a taste of the NHL before having a season ending 655 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,960 energy injury just minutes into his first NHL game. Donna 656 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,359 responded with this that as much as she likes rhin 657 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,839 Backer as a fifth overall pick at the time of 658 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,039 the trade, that Logan Mayou was still with the Habs 659 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,200 and that she felt he was higher on the depth chart, 660 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,839 especially since rhin Bacher had only played ten AHL games 661 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,519 last season has never played more than forty six games 662 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,799 in a season, being someone who came up in the 663 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,119 National Swiss League. Goalies are hard to acquire in this league, 664 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000 and Soguard is on a one way contract. Since Donna 665 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,480 owned Marilynan, she knew that one of them would back 666 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,559 up Olmark this year and whoever was sent down would 667 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,200 get some games at some point that they would be 668 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,319 battling it out. On Daubers September Prospect goalie rankings, Soguard 669 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,119 is ninth, ahead of some pretty good goalies as far 670 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,599 as Maser, and this is where a bit of the 671 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,160 mother's son competitiveness comes in. Mason had tried to pawn 672 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680 off Brendan Breson on her, to which she was not 673 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,759 very happy. She has lost faith in Brendan Breson, so 674 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:56,160 they renegotiated for Maser. She feels that with his fifteen 675 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,279 points in his last twenty AHL games that he is 676 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,000 well suited for this type of league the Tidy as 677 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,160 a two way player with hits and should get some 678 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:07,119 NHL games this season. And she also did also say 679 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,480 that the picks were irrelevant. Our Tidy managers favored the 680 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,920 son over the mother here, although I think that could 681 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,360 be a little bit of fawning over the champion here. 682 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,480 Where do you guys, land Let's start with Victor. 683 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 5: I think that no matter which way we go, Donna 684 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,360 gets praise because either she was the smarter one in 685 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,440 the trade or she raised the Sun to be the 686 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,440 smarter one in the trade. So either way, kudo's Donna. 687 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:32,719 I have to say that at the beginning, But I 688 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960 do think that this I land a little bit closer 689 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,480 on Mason's side for this one, which most people do. 690 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,400 I think that I know I've talked a bit about 691 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,840 Soguard in talking with Kat about Kat Silverman about Soguard. 692 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480 I'm just not sure that he's ever really gonna get 693 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,960 there in terms of being an NHL regular. Of course, 694 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,880 he's going to continue to get opportunity because he is 695 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,280 a behemoth, and so those smaller goalie get one or 696 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,519 two shots maybe, but larger goalies get shot after shot, 697 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,000 even if they struggle, which he has certainly, and he 698 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,119 has had some NHL games, and he certainly is on 699 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,719 the cuffs. So I like the fact that she has 700 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,760 someone who can be flexed in and out of that 701 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,719 spot and get some points. But I do think that 702 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,280 he's not quite as close as maybe some might think 703 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,000 in terms of being a regular. And I definitely like Marilina, 704 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,360 and I'm not someone who enjoys having tandems, so I 705 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,320 think people probably know that I'd rather just have the 706 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,360 person that I think is better, and maybe someone who's 707 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,199 closer on another team. But I get the idea, and 708 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,519 that's not a bad thing. And I really like Maser. 709 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,400 I think that he is I agree with her assessment 710 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:44,760 like strong in the AHL. He's always been a scorer. 711 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,360 He's always been able to figure it out at every 712 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,719 level and kind of improve year after year. But I 713 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,920 think regardless of how good he gets, he's still pretty 714 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,760 much a bottom six option. I don't think he ever 715 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,559 makes it into the top six. But he does have 716 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:01,599 some priffles and Detroit is looking a little bit better 717 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,920 and he can provide some depth scoring there. It's certainly 718 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,079 not a whiff by any mean I means. I just 719 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,239 think that I might have asked for a little bit 720 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,559 more for someone who I think is a pretty good asset. 721 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,920 In terms of Ryan Bacher, I do think that you 722 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,159 have to survive in the Lord Stanley division, and I 723 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:21,960 did my best last year to do that. It's no 724 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,239 simple task, so rounding out the edges and improving your 725 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,719 depth is often a really important aspect, and I do 726 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,199 think that she did that, so that's really important. It's 727 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,400 a very interesting strategy because in most all the other 728 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,519 leagues you're trying to push your way to the top 729 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,920 and get promoted, but in Lord Stanley, just not being 730 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,599 relegated as we've talked about before, is really important and 731 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:45,800 there's nowhere else to go right, You're just trying to 732 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,119 win that division, and so everyone is on the same boat. 733 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,719 There's not as much discrepancy between the teams. And Ryan, 734 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,840 you and I pulled off a trade last year because 735 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,920 we were in slightly different spots in the standings. But 736 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,960 I find it's really hard to find trade partners because 737 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280 everyone has the same eye on things. So I'm glad 738 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,400 that they got this done. And I like the bet 739 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,079 on Ryan Backer personally because when you look at the 740 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:12,039 defense for the Habs, yes, they have guys ahead of him, 741 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,440 guys with more experience, but there's only two right handed shots, 742 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,880 and when this trade was made that there was not 743 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,239 no adoption, so no Adopson is there now. Alex Carrier 744 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,199 and the rest of these are all lefties who are 745 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,800 playing on their off side, and so Ryan Backer is 746 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,400 definitely the most qualified, the next most qualified righty to 747 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,559 be able to slide up there. And I do think 748 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,039 that he's Yeah, he hasn't had as much AHL time, 749 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,760 I'll give Donna that, but I think that he's pretty 750 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,679 He could be in the conversation as early as this 751 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,519 season and even if not. Mason and I would say 752 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,760 Jack are the two teams in this division who really 753 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,239 don't have to worry about relegation. Their teams are so good. 754 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,239 If they don't win, they're not getting relegated. So that 755 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,360 gives Mason the luxury that most teams don't have, which 756 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,599 means that he could wait on rhyinbacker if he doesn't 757 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,400 play at all this season. I still like this for 758 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,039 him because then he'll have that strong depth moving into 759 00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:06,760 next year. So you mentioned that these picks aren't really 760 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,880 anyone anything super exciting, but just to mention that Prosvetov 761 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,199 because I know some people are really interested in him. 762 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,480 He's someone who could never really figured it out at 763 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,519 the NHL level, so I'm not convinced that he will 764 00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,920 this time. But Calgary seems pretty bent on making him 765 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,320 be the backup. Or maybe they're just going to play 766 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,159 us a wolf for seventy games. I don't know, but 767 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,119 they don't really seem to have any other good options. 768 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,480 Devin Cooley is really not a good one either, so 769 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,039 it's going to be the Wolf Show this year and 770 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:35,840 they're going to go as far as he can take them, 771 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,679 and any game that anyone else plays is going to 772 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,719 be an adventure. We saw that in the preseason. Not 773 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,119 that super indicative, but it was not pretty when anyone 774 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,079 but Ustin Wolf was in there. And then William Moore. 775 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,239 I know that for these teams it doesn't really matter, 776 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,400 but William Moore is someone who I think a few 777 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,480 years from now could be really interesting. He's got to 778 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,840 be a little patient there, but I think that there's 779 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,320 potentially a depth player there. What do you think, Jesse? 780 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,559 Speaker 3: First of all, I just have a life philosophy and 781 00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,280 a battle of wits of mother versus son. Never bet 782 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,039 against the mother, all right. That's just a purely philosophical 783 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,000 point of view. But then again, you've got the NHL 784 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,360 ranking the defending champion last year. I think I remember, 785 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,599 and you guys you were I was listening to the 786 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,320 tidy takes, I was editing it. I wasn't on most 787 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,880 of them, but it seems like mystics got dumped on 788 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,920 for a couple of trades last year, if I'm remembering right, 789 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,360 there were a couple that she was on the short 790 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,159 end of the vote on, and then all she did 791 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,960 was score the most points and get herself promoted to 792 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,519 the top league. So maybe let's not doubt some of 793 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,000 those trades even though she's coming in on the other 794 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,960 end of it. But really, I can make all the 795 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,039 narrative stuff I want out of it in the end. Really, 796 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,400 this is a this is not a challenge trade. This 797 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920 is a position for a position trade. And obviously both 798 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,199 of them see something, even the players they're requiring. But 799 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,400 Mason's getting defenseman, Donna's getting and a winger that apparently 800 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,360 intrigues her. And so Mason's getting off an extra player 801 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,519 that's important at this time of year when you're trying 802 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,320 to get your rosters right sized, and Donna's filling in depth. 803 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,480 So I can see both sides. Like every trade, I 804 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,840 think you've got to try to see both sides of it. 805 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,280 Was there a logical case for what each side did, 806 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,280 and I think this certainly was one where I don't 807 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,400 see a problem with what either side did. 808 00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the best things I've learned from working 809 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,519 on this podcast and being a co manager with Victor 810 00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:34,599 in another league is that the win win trades are 811 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,039 always the best kind of trade to make. In a dynasty, 812 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,280 you always will have someone who's dealing from a position 813 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,400 of strength to try and fill a position of weakness, 814 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,679 and those are Even though it might be hard to 815 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,800 find trading partners given standing positions, especially in this particular league, 816 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,480 there's always an opportunity to find a win win. I 817 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,559 don't think there's either side of this trade that is 818 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,480 particularly winning over the other one, and frankly, I'm not 819 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,440 really interested in any of these players. If I had 820 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,639 to pick, I suppose I would take David Reinbacher over 821 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,760 Soguard's inconsistent deployment and the lineup crunch that is playing 822 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,320 out in Detroit in front of our very eyes, as 823 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,360 Emmett Finney is apparently the top line left winger over 824 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,679 a guy like Carter Maser. There's a lot going on 825 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,719 still at the beginning of the season here. I'm sure 826 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,199 Maser will get in at some point, if not as 827 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,320 a regular this season, maybe he'll get a couple of 828 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,639 games and be a valuable minors swing. Rhin Baker's injury 829 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,400 history is concerning. He's lost a lot of development time 830 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,360 to those injuries, so maybe his ceiling is to be 831 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:34,519 that lower end, top four guy. I could also see 832 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:36,679 a world where so Guard eventually signs in Europe and 833 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,719 Maser never really crafts a middle six, so I guess 834 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960 give me rhinbacker because he will probably play NHL games. 835 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,559 And so that's like I said, the managers here are 836 00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,920 a bit more interesting than the deal itself. Donna also 837 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,239 did mention, and I found this interesting enough to just 838 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,199 share here that it's important to her in any league 839 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,679 that she has been in together with Mason, that the 840 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,920 trade be extra fair to avoid the appear yearance of collusion. 841 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:04,559 Mostly but that, and although she is very proud of 842 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,519 what Mason has achieved in hockey with his playing career 843 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,119 and the creation of the NHL ranking app And of 844 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,360 course she didn't mention this, but I'm going to include 845 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,880 winning the tiered Dynasty League. I think that's a big 846 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,400 deal too, That she would like nothing better than to 847 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,679 beat him in Lord Stanley and knock him off the 848 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,480 throne this year. And let me say, as someone who 849 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,400 went through the playoffs and watched Mason claim the title, 850 00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:30,519 I would love to see him knocked off the throne too. 851 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,000 It will certainly be watching this matchup with great delight 852 00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,440 all season long. And thanks Donna and Mason for being 853 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,760 willing and open to share some of that family interpersonal stuff. 854 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,880 With us here on the Tidy Takes, and that's going 855 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,480 to do it for this offseason edition of Tidy Takes. 856 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,880 Thanks Jesse for joining us today. It was such a 857 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,320 pleasure to have you on the show. 858 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,159 Speaker 3: Out standy, Ryan and guests. We'll be right back to 859 00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:08,000 close out the show. Before we get out of here today, 860 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,320 a reminder shows brought to you by fan Tracks. I 861 00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,440 don't know if you've heard that before, but if you didn't, 862 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,039 you heard it now because fan Tracks has all the 863 00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,360 different sports you'd like to play right now. I got 864 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,519 obviously lots of hockey games going, but I also have 865 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:27,119 some basketball leagues on the way, and hey, baseball's already 866 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,199 available for next year. College basketball is probably available. I 867 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,320 haven't looked at it recently, So if you want to 868 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,000 play any of the sports, you can get in there 869 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:40,559 and play some fan Tracks Fantasy. They've also got fantasy content. 870 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,800 Lots of things coming out right now in fantasy hockey 871 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,960 and other sports. FHL's team. You heard, Ryan, the Tidy 872 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,599 the Tidy Admiral was here on this show. He, Timmy Simone, 873 00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,960 and Craftzer are doing work on those Tidy leagues. 874 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 4: That's a lot. 875 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 3: Going on right now. Timmy was very busy this week. 876 00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,679 I know Tony and Patrick leed scouts who have been 877 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,880 doing a great job in getting the scouting reports ready 878 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,800 for upcoming episodes. Brandon helps with the website, prospect ranks, visualizations, 879 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,239 all the cool stuff, especially on Victor's timelines. And if 880 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,199 you'd like to do more with us, if you want 881 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,719 to help, Ryan showed up one day and so can you. 882 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,159 Victor would love to hear from you. He would be 883 00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,159 the guy to get with discord, email, social media. We're 884 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,599 also brought to you by Daber Hockey Dauber Prospects. Victor 885 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,199 is a editor at Daber Prospects and he writes a 886 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,400 column called The Journey that You'll want to be following. 887 00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,559 I do my solo show, Dynasty Sports Life. I talk 888 00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:44,440 about multiple different Dynasty Sports this past week, a little 889 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,719 bit of look back on the baseball season. Next week 890 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,639 probably something to do with basketball, but we talk about 891 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,440 I talk about different sports every week. There social media, 892 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,960 follow us on x Fan Hockey Life, Victor Nuna twelve 893 00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:01,760 on Blue Sky, Jesse Severe, the one Victor. Those are 894 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,320 the two you look at, rate and review as Apple Pod, Spotify, 895 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,159 wherever else you get your pods. Thanks for listening Until 896 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:12,239 next time. Keep living that fantasy hockey regular season I like.