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Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Souvier and Victor Nunio.
Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Live once again. Jesse Severe, Victor Nunio. But
it's a three man booth today. First of all, we
got Ryan Downey here. We'll be hearing from him. Why
don't I introduce him first?
Speaker 3: Ryan? How you doing today?
Speaker 4: I'm great. There's a third mic in the intro for
the first time maybe ever.
Speaker 3: I think it is, man, but you've earned it. You've
earned the third mic because you're doing the you're doing
the lord's work here. And Victor Nunio, the Fantasy Hockey Doctor.
How are you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 5: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah, it's exciting. We watched some games,
actual NHL games last night, and we're recording on the
second night of the season, and it's just awesome to
get back in the swing of I think all of
us we're staring at our rosters all summer for months
and nothing was happening, and now it's like things are happening,
people are playing, there's scores that are happening, and people
playing that you didn't expect and all these things, and
so I just enjoy that so much. How you doing,
my friend, I'm doing great.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We're living in schrad Aingers baseball playoffs right now. Because
we're recording this a little early in the week. Everybody,
by the time you hear this, the first round of
the playoffs will be resolved. But nonetheless, Ryan and I
are caught up in playoff fever because our teams remain alive.
Ryan's in the center of the sports universe in Toronto
is hoping to beat those stinky Yankees. Ryan, how are
you feeling on that right now? Which will be completely
irrelevant by the time people hear this.
Speaker 4: It's been exciting, right The vibe around the city is incredible.
You can't go anywhere without seeing Blue Jays paraphernalia. People
are really excited. I was at a bar last night
watching Game three, which of course ended nine to six.
For those dastardly Yankees and the Blue Jays they've been
it's been exciting to watch, for sure, and just the
way that they're winning their games racking up all those
runs and getting all those hits and home runs, and
you just got to hope that it'll keep going for
another couple of days here. I guess we'll find out
by Friday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody recording this is going to really identify
when we're recording. But the Brewers are up to well,
they could sweep the Cups. If they don't. Please nobody
tell me. I don't want to know, so please just
nobody tell me if the Brewers love this year, this series,
because I don't think I can take it. How are
the Giants doing Victor?
Speaker 5: Oh great, I totally don't care since they're not in it.
But yeah, no, it was they Actually I started as
I only pay attention towards the end of the season,
and they were in it for a while, and then
they just had a horrible run. I think they were
like two and eight. I was like, oh, they have
a chance here, and then they just couldn't win a game.
It was awful, but yeah, it was. I do enjoy
playoff baseball. Who can pay attention for one hundred and
sixty two games, I don't know, But when the games
really matter and they're intense, I really enjoy it. It's
a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's never going to hold a candle to
the Stanley Cup playoffs because you know what, In case
you forgot, this is a hockey podcast. I took us
on that little diversion, but we're here to talk to hockey.
You can talk about a lot of things over on
our Fantasy Hockey Life discord. It's free. Email us Fantasy
Hockey Life at gmail dot com to get us in there.
We've got a great episode ahead of us today, Victor,
is there anything you want to tell the people before
we get into it.
Speaker 5: No, that's good. We're excited to bring you all the
in season content and yeah, I definitely keep checking it out.
Speaker 6: Be back right after this. We are on our first
episode of Tidy Takes for the season.
Speaker 3: And you know what that means, folks. I hand the mic.
We hand the mic over to the irreplaceable and unstoppable Ryan. Ryan,
take it away, buddy.
Speaker 4: We are back on the third season. I think, guys
of Tidy Takes great to have Jesse in the studio
here today. Usually it's just me and Victor talking, you know,
about these prospects and young pros. But I love to
have the third mic here should be a lot of
fun as we open. The season of Tidy takes here.
And for those who are unaware or who just started
listening to Fantasy Hockey Life this summer, maybe because of
the excellent beat Writers series. These two guys do every summer,
and I say summer, but starts in April, so it's
really just a six month project for these guys. The
Tidy is the FHL Fantasy Hockey Life Tiered Dynasty League,
and the idea of this league gets in the model
of a dynasty league, but with relegation and promotion and
several tiers up and down. You have to earn your
way to the top division, and if you do poorly well,
you might be relegated. Relegation and promotion means you won't
be able to take your team with you. But the
teams that aren't relegated or promoted, which is most of them,
keep their entire team and try again next year. Relegated
and promoted teams build next season's team from the players
left behind. For the managers who departed, the tier that
they are entering receiving priority draft selection, and occasionally they
take part in larger dispersal drafts if enough teams become
available due to attrition or otherwise. There are four tiers
in the Tidy with six divisions, the Lord Stanley Division
at the top where Victor and I currently reside, Gretzky
and Lemieux in Tier two, and that's where you'll find Jesse,
Or and Yoger in Tier three, and Lidstrom in Tier four.
And this is as Jesse said, the Tidy Takes. What
is Tidy Takes. Tidy Takes is a semi frequent offering
courtesy of yours truly, where I curate a list of
interesting trades across the Tier Dynasty league, focusing specifically on
prospects and young pro players whose names you've likely heard
on this very podcast. We use the trades as a
jumping off point for player discussion and analysis, and also
discuss how this may affect the teams involved within their
tiers in the Tier Dynasty. We also interview the managers
to get their thoughts on how the deals came to be,
and we share polling data from Tidy managers about what
our Tidy community thinks of these deals. So, with all
that preamble out of the way, let's dive in with
our first trade for today from the Ore Division in
Tier three, and I should just say all of these
trades have happened in our off season and trades opened
in August in preparation for our entry draft, so many
of these trades will be from around August twentieth until now.
So our first trade is from the Ore Division in
Tier three, featuring two teams, the Wild Gophers and Glocta,
who's a frequent name on this podcast, a frequent trader
in the tidy. The Wild Gophers add former Minnesota Golden
Gopher center Logan Cooley in exchange for goaltender Jet Greeves
one for one trade. I did have a chance to
catch up with both the Wild Gophers and Glocta, and
here's what they had to say. Glocta felt that he
had to do something to get a goalie with upside
since his second best goalie was Jonathan Quick. Goalies are
not easy to get and they seem to have a
lot of value in this league. I made a bet
that Greeves would take over the crease this season, and
if his numbers are near where they were last season,
the deal is an overpayment, but it will be worth
it and the Wild Gophers obviously wanted to it's great
that they get to add a Gopher here, and that
was part of their reasoning for sure, But Wild Gophers
did say that today saw that Glocta was short at
goalie and looking for depth, and so thinking that trade
might be pretty even thinking that Kooley is a top
tier asset right now and will continue to be for
a long time, and if Greeves can match what he
did last season, that he could become a top tier
asset as well. Our tidy managers are very much in
favor of the Logan Cooley side here ninety six percent
to four percent. So a bit of a lopsided start
to this tidy take segment for twenty twenty five. But
I know Victor has been chomping or champing rather at
the bit to talk about this one. Victor, what do
you think about Logan Kooley for Jet Greaves?
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. When I first saw this, I thought, Wow,
this is so lopsided in Cooley's favor. I think a
lot of us, especially the ones that like younger play,
really feel like Cooley is going to pop off. I
think he's going to be a perennial ninety plus point center. Now,
that may not happen this year, it may be as
early as this year, getting close to point per game,
but I think that he has tremendous upside. So it
definitely feels a little bit like you're trading future production
for a little bit more immediate help, and sometimes you
have to do that. I get it, and I certainly
agree that Greeves has potential to steal an end Columbus.
He is probably in that tandem Regilicans is probably the
most vulnerable starter out there, so I see that. And
Columbus is a team on the up and up, and
he did amazing at the end of last season, So
I get it, and I like that bet in general,
betting on a guy to take a step, betting on
a guy to be better with the team around him.
I just think that Greeves has such a small sample size,
and I don't really like that bet in terms of
if you're going to give away such a premium asset
like Cooley, I feel like you should have gotten something
else back, or maybe aim a little bit higher, right,
aim a little bit higher than Grieves, maybe like a
John Gibson type who wasn't as proven. But it's going
to be more secure in the starter. Of course, you're
limited by the options and who's available and who you're
trading with, so I understand that, but yeah, I felt
like I would have aimed higher, or maybe tried for
a different asset, or maybe get Greeves plus see who
else is on the roster and get some other help.
In addition to that, that was my initial reaction.
Speaker 3: Looking at this boy, it's tough. I have two thoughts.
One of them is this may be one of those
where we all think this was incredibly lopsided. I think
on paper, it's unsurprising that people thought Cooley was a
much better get than Grieves. One thing about the tidy
format is if you get through this year and get promoted,
it don't matter anymore because that team won't be yours anymore.
Those ninety point seasons can belong to somebody else. If
you get significantly more and you feel significantly confident for
this year. Now, this glacka team. This is a legit team.
I don't know if he's looked at it. Austin Matthews,
Cole Kawfield, Will Smith, We've got some Timo Meyer, Lean Hudson,
Charlie McAvoy, Alexander Nikishin, Shane Wright, Matt ve Mitchkoff. This
is a stacked team and it's got a lot of
young guys coming up. If anybody could spare, believe it
or not, somebody like this, it probably was this team.
And literally Jed Graves is the second goalie on this team. Yeah,
I think in a vacuum the value of these two
strongly leans to Logan Cooley. But this Sash, he's not dumb.
He has a strategy here in mind. Maybe this was
the best he could get and just he'll have the
last laugh if he is looking down at the rest
of this league from the next higher tear next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Context is everything, Jesse, as you say, and especially
with the Tidy, goalies are a very rare and valuable
commodity in this league. I should mention that the goalie
scoring for the Tidy seems to be fair standard across
a lot of mainstream leagues. But we offer four points
for a win, minus one point five for goals against,
three for a shutout, two for an overtime or shootout loss,
and saves our point three to five each, so you
can really rack up a good score and your goalies
won't make you go negative, so they're one of the
few we do have with our forward positions that there
are significant areas with our Fenwick scoring giveaway take away,
that kind of thing where you can go negative, and
having this asset that can only give you positive points
is good. Also important to note that we do have
a games played limit in the tiered dynasty of seventy five,
but that is only for skaters, So it's the skaters
game played limit, which means you can play as many
goalie games in the week as you want. And so
you find a lot of the top teams in this
league tend to have three or four starting goaltending options
so that they can really maximize those starts from With
that in mind, and with what Jesse shared about how
Glocta is a pretty stacked team, it makes a lot
of sense to me that he would move on from
a guy like Logan Cooley to bring in a goaltender
like Jack Greeves who could very well be a forty
two to forty five start guy this season with potential
for more. It makes a lot of sense in the
context of this league. Personally, I would prefer Logan Cooley
myself just looking at my own team and how not
deep we are at the center position. Give me that guy,
but it totally makes sense in Glotta's a situation here.
Continuing in Tier three with the Yogura Division. Here we
have a favorite on this podcast we like to discuss
our friend Marcus has acquired young defenseman here Tristan Luno
from the Anaheim Ducks, as well as Brock Faber, the
kind of stalwart defensive stalwart for the Minnesota Wild and
a team that has been renamed since we've talked about
them on this podcast, formerly known as JB, a frequent
contributor to this segment as he is a very frequent trader,
now known as the Jamie Bens acquires for those two
defenseman winger Zach Bolduke of the Montreal Canadians, and Marcus
had this to say when I asked him about the deal,
that he drafted Bull Duke in the dispersal with the
intent to trade him for a defenseman since he wasn't
able to secure the defense he had hoped in the
dispersal draft, and that JB the great trading partner, that
he has laid several options on the table, saying that
Faber plus would be his price to acquire brol Duke
and so Faber already haven't been rewarded with a long
term and a price he deal with the wild that
tells Marcus that he's going to be a focal point
of that team for a long time, and that while
Bulduke had a great year previously, that he would take
the guy that he knows is going to be a
factor long term versus the up and comer. He also
figured that Bolduke would be on the third line since
he wouldn't be overtaking Suzuki or Doc and specifically I
guess for power play time, and so it makes sense
that he would move on from Bolduke to get those defensemen. JB,
on the other hand, saw Bulduke as a good fit
with his team, recognizing sometimes you need to overpay give
more to obtain a player that you like. He thinks
that Bulduke is going to be a great, complimentary player
in Montreal who will play with high end talent, and
he doesn't think he gave too much since he felt
he needed to drop players anyway to be roster compliant
with Billiam Cumming. He didn't want to keep a favor
and there's a lot of defenseman in Anaheim, so there
was some concern around Luno there. Our tidy community is
pretty firm on their thoughts favoring the side of the
young d I guess it depends on your opinion on
Bolduke's upsete. So Victor, what do you think Bulduke can
do in the Bleu Bloi rouge?
Speaker 5: Are you saying that so, Job, I think that people
are over reacting a bit to Bullduke. I do. I
think his production was pretty modest last year in Saint Louis.
I think that they're really excited about his move and
his ability to maybe improve on that forty one point pace.
Thirty six points and seventy two games is what he had,
and he's certainly surprised with that. And I think that
there's also peripheral contribution, so it's not all points, but
I think that one of the issues that are one
of the things you have to look at. Yes, his
underlying metrics were excellent bo offensively in debt, Defensively, he
looks very strong and a lot of those and those components.
But he's going to a team in Montreal that has
some young talent already ahead of him. They are pretty
stacked obviously with Demidov. How is he going to get
into that top six. I don't see that happening, So
he's probably a third liner. He's not getting power play time. Realistically.
How much is the time on ice going to go
up from where it was in Saint Louis. He was
getting almost thirteen minutes a night. Sure, I think he
could probably get closer to fifteen or so, maybe, but
I don't know that it's going to change that much.
So I don't know that he's going to get that
much better than what he did in Saint Louis. Maybe
there'll be a slight uptick, but I think some people
are looking at this of this they're going to be
a pretty substantial improvement, and I'm just not sure that's
going to be the case. And then, on the other hand,
you look at Faber, whose rookie season might end up
being his high water mark. I think that when he
first came and he first was breaking out, it was like, WHOA,
this guy is really impressive, and he is a really
impressive player in real life. He's really able to shut
down some of those top players, and he continues to
get power play points. He continues to be out there
lots of minutes. But he's just one of these guys
that's just going to be way better in real life
than in fantasy. Although with tidy scoring, as you mentioned,
with takeaways with Fenwick, with some of these other play
driving metrics, I do think that's going to give Favor
a pretty substantial floor. And I do think that I
would rather have him because good defense is hard to
come by in this league, so I like that one,
and Luno is a cherry on top. I would say,
I don't know that he's going to be able to
do much, but he is someone who has some potential
still and hopefully they give him some opportunity to show
what he can do. But I definitely like the Favor side. Basically,
I think that there might be a little bit of
overreaction to bull Duke as someone who may or may
not be able to get more opportunity in Montreal and
then getting If it was Favor for Mulduke, I think
I still would have much preferred Favor, but the fact
that he got Luno, also, assuming there's roster space, it
really tips the scale from me. What do you think, Jesse? I?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see Faber is as you said, Victory's
puzzle right now is you look at the Jamie Ben's roster.
He had seven defensemen who had more average points per
game last year than did than did Brock Fabor was
just in the mix. He went from five point two
down to three point four Tidy points per game last year,
and he played seventy eight games, So he's taking advantage
of the fact. This guy's still got some name value now,
all things being equal, especially in a just a blank slate,
what I like Black favor more sure is Tristan Lunau
going to get his head above the water of just
average waiver wire defenceman still unknown, he's starting out the season.
I believe in the miners. I'm still see in the
green flag on him anyway. And Zach bolduk did have
a hot end of the season, so this was a
need for nee trade. I don't don't. I don't begrudge
either person here. It's possible that a block Favors here
this year resembles last year. It'll look a lot more
even to Tidy voters. But I understand brock Favors still
got higher name recognition, and Zach Boldoog may also have
had his hot year last year, we'll see that this
is very much a verdict out. But I get I
guess what I'm saying is I get why the guy
who came out on the wrong end of the votes
did what he did, and I don't think it was
necessarily dumb.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, I'm loving having Jesse here to look
at these teams and say, actually, this makes sense for
the Jamie Binns, and this makes sense for Glocta. There's
a lot of things to consider here, and I think
it's one of the one of the downsides I think
of having all these poles is you just present them
one for one without any context. And so it's important
to note, of course, as you've said that that the
JB team, the Jamie Benn team, they were loaded on
defense and they felt that they could get rid of
a guy like Favor to bring in help at wing.
Although I love Brock Favor as a hockey player and
I love Tristan Luno as a hockey player, and if
this were real hockey, they would be on my team,
no question. I can see the argument for bull Duke
having that upside as a second line winger. Maybe he
eventually plays with Davidov. Maybe he bangs and crashes in
front of the net and puts in some of those rebounds. Ultimately,
that's going to be a more intriguing asset in fantasy hockey,
at least for me. And there's no guarantee that Luno
will even make the Ducks with the glood of young
d there, he's maybe the seven to eight guy right now.
Him and stein Soldberg stand out to me as guys
who could maybe take that next step and be up
with the Ducks sooner rather than later, but otherwise needs
to wait for an injury, so he may need a
trade to be relevant. Faber is steady but will continue
to have his offensive time. And I was cannibalized by
the likes of zeb Bulliam, so I'll lean bull Duke,
although I totally get why you would pick Faber Victor
and with that, we're going to take our first break.
We'll be right back with more tidy takes.
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Speaker 5: Selfish breaking down.
Speaker 4: Skate, don't bat. He's still gonna be there when you
kind of jumps on, taking coast to coach talking for angles,
were still shot bad bonce.
Speaker 5: That's a good breakaway to get the bounced boys, and.
Speaker 4: We're back and we're continuing with the younger division where
they've been very busy, and actually the Jamie Benz are
on the docket again here right now. They acquired a
first round pick and Liam Ogrin in the days before
the Tidy draft for Mason Lowray and Radcot Goudas and
Devon Levi from Scott Deter, a very active member of
our discord, a very beloved manager. In the Tidy, he
also included in that first round draft pick and ended
up being James Hagens, so you can look at this
effectively as Ogrin and Hagen's for Lowray, Goudis and Levi.
I did the talk with JB about this trade as well,
and the person who did move Tristan Luno in the
previous deal had this to say, obviously, again a lot
of d men in Anaheim, and he feels that Goodis
has passed it and that he included Devon Levi as
a bit of a deception seeing Buffalo currently adding goaltenders.
For example, they had georgiev and now he's on waivers,
and then they just picked up Colton Ellis the other day.
So lots of turboil and the crease there, especially with
the UPL injury. So JB is not sure where Levi
ends up in the near future, and that he is
really a Hagen's enthusiast and that believe he believes the
ceiling is very high there. On his team. He has
players like Misa de Demidov, Hagen's Slavkovsky, Liam Ogrin, like Ramaki,
lots of great young players here at great young Core,
and he feels that for him it's all about getting
the young or almost ready guys that he can get.
Scott had this to say, and I'm going to read
this verbatim, and I'm just going to just toss it
to you after that, Victor, because I want your genuine
reaction to this. But Scott did pen a bit of
a screed for me to read on the podcast. So
here we go. On a calm summer's eve, sipping on
a whiskey sour, I contemplated the upcoming entry draft. While
I traditionally lust for the younger players, I had long
since turned down the fateful road of going all in
for tidy FastTrack after smelling the sweet aromas of it
in the previous season Alas I held the number three
pick in the entry draft and was mercifully out of
reach of the temptation of young Misa or Schaeffer. So,
buzzing on my mid range bourbon, I cast my net
to the league of bidders for the number three picks,
and to my imparadise, I caught interest of the formidable
Jamie Bens. He too shares a fondness for youth, and
made a tempting first offer. Liam Ogrin was not property
I would relinquish easily, but knowing he would not likely
serve my team in a great regard this year, I
pounced upon my prey in a swift manner and sunk
my teeth in. Wanting both youthful vigor and veteran might
in return, I trumpeted demands for Sir Lora and Lord Radco.
The d swelled in the offer, but in my zeal,
with my loins already tingling, I needed more to give
up the chance at a future star at number three,
and requested the services of netminder Levi. If Jesse is right,
I may not even get five matches from Levi, but
I still walk away with my head held high and
a bulging d spot from the deal, Victor, your.
Speaker 5: Thoughts, Wow, I think Scott has a future in writing
lustful hockey trade novels. I think if that's not a genre,
I think he just created it. That's pretty exciting stuff,
that's pretty interesting. I love that we get that contribution.
Well done, Scott at her. I would say that in
general this is pretty fair. I did that. The votes
are almost even in terms of it's close to being
a draw, with some leaning towards the Ogrin Hagen side.
Certainly you can imagine Hagen's being the best part of
this deal years for three to five years from now,
But for now, I think Lowri, Goudas, even Levi is
a pretty great trio of players to have. I talked
recently about Lori and about how there's a lot of
upside there, but there's also some risk and some needing
to figure out better five on five play and defensive metrics.
But he is certainly a high upside guy and should
be running the power play in Boston and goodus. You
know what you're getting with him. He's a solid banger.
He has a really good Perferle floor. With the weight
added in tidy too, defenseman and play driving, they should
be a little bit better this year in Anaheim. So
that's all really nice. So you really like to see that.
I think there's a really solid Perferle floor there. And
then Devin Levi, we've been waiting for him for a while,
and it seems like he's finally going to be able
to get some games maybe here there in the near future.
So I like that. And especially with the flex to
be able to move those goalies, those minor goalies up
and down, I think that's a really solid strategy. So
I love that, and I really like Ogrinto on the
other side of this deal. But I feel like Ogeron
might end up being one of those guys that's a
better real life player than a fantasy asset. I'm not
sure that he is guaranteed top power play time. I'm
not sure that he demands top six minutes. I certainly
think he can play there. He doesn't really have a
space right now, though, and so he might just end
up being a middle to bottom six piece who's a
really effective play driver and a steadying influence in that lineup,
but maybe not necessarily someone you want to have on
your team. And of course, if Scott it Or does
get promoted, then he's not gonna worry about James Higgins.
So you like, those attractive young pieces are always really exciting,
but you have to be realistic and say, am I
even going to be here to reap those rewards? Am
I going to be able to put that player into
my lineup? And if the answer is no, then yeah,
makes sense to move it. What do you think, Jesse?
Speaker 3: First of all, I think this is going to be
the highest rated show in the history of Fantasy Hockey Life.
I'm already cross promoting as we speak on romance novel Reddit.
See if we can get some new listeners to come
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Fantasy Hockey Life Network, which we would create just for
the occasion. On first glance, Liam Ogrin and James Haggens,
I understand how they came out ahead in the voting.
I'm actually surprised that they only had forty seven percent
of the favor here versus Laura and Ngudas and Levi.
I really am worried about Levi and his ability to
get substantial starts in Buffalo. It just yeah, he mentioned
me when it came to Levi and it's depressing me.
It kind of surprises if you look at Scott Itter's roster. Now,
he's going to have eleven defensemen, and keep it in mind,
you can start six. You only have a twelve man bench,
so when everybody gets healthy, he's going to have five
defensemen out of twelve players on his bench, which to
me is too many. Of course, he'll always probably have
somebody injured, but he's got Owen Pickering, Jeremy Poitier, and
I don't think kayshawn Ahchison is supposed to come up
this year. But he has a couple others in the
miners as well, so he's really he's got some very
good defenseman and then he's going to have guys to
roll in. He's got Kill mccarr, Darnell Nurse, Zane Perek,
Layne Hudson, Drew Dowdy, good lord, why do you even
need and Thomas Harley, why do you even need backups?
When you have that that certainly we know who's going
to start on a given night. I love rydko Gudas
though I think he's underrated, he could definitely be a
win now piece and of course he's an Anheim Duck,
which means he's going to be playing all those extra
games on off nights, the captain of the Ducks. I
get it. I think in a vacuum, I feel like
he probably could have got more for what he traded
away here, Scott Detor, that is. But I get the strategy,
and I just stand in awe and slow clap applause
for the icing on the cake that he provided us
about this trade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesse, I just want to jump in on that
Devin Levi point. If you've scan back two years, the
way that people were talking about this guy was that
he was the next big thing for Buffalo. He was
the next coming of Ryan Miller. He's going to be
the big volume starter. And I think it's just another
one of these situations that Kevin Adams and the Buffalo
Sabers put themselves in, where they expect too much from
a young player and they stunt their development. And now,
just like we've seen with Jack Quinn for instance, and
until last year, you could say the same about a
guy like JJ Pitterca, these guys get rushed in and
it's just so unfair and it stunts their development. And
now we don't know what's going to happen with them.
If I were having to decide to move on from Levi,
I think it'd be pretty easy decision. And then you
look at other players that went on that side, like
Mason LOWRII this is the Boston Bruins, and they talk
a big game about this being the year they're going
to hand it over to the youth. And yet as
I check right now, there's only one player, maybe two,
that are under the age of twenty five on that team.
And you have guys like Fabian Lisel and Georgie Murkilov
and lots of great, high upside, high skill players. Mason
Lowry is one of those high upside, high skill, high
risk players, and I just don't think he's going to
get the runway that he might get on another team.
And so I don't think we're going to see too
much from that side. And so for those reasons, I'm
on the Ogrin Hagen side. Ogrin looks to be getting
some form of opportunity with the Wild this year. He
saw time in the middle six, swapping with the Jesse's
favorite young player Danieli Yurov. At points. Ultimately likely he
will settle in the bottom six ers the thirteenth forward.
But if the Wild continue to rely on veterans like Tarasenko,
trendon Marcus Johansson. We've seen various types of those players
see miss time with injury, so I think you're going
to see some auction from Ogrid as soon as this year.
And then Hagen's is just it's an obvious It's an
obvious conversation here, But to Hagen's is going to be
an excellent player as long as Boston doesn't unduly complicate
things for him. I understand this deal with those benchmarks
not likely for some of those other players. I'll take
Hagen's and Ogrin here as well. And finally, we have
one of the more interesting deals to discuss, more for
the managers involved than the actual players. We have our
first trade in the tiered dynasty between a parent and
a child. As Mystics also known as Donna, has grinded
her way to the top division of the Tidy after
several very impressive seasons in the lower tiers and will
now be facing off against her son, reigning Tidy champion
and NHL Rank king, Mason. I hope I got all
of his titles right there, Jesse, you can maybe let
me know, but clearly Fantasy Hockey excellence is genetic, and
we'll talk more about that in a second. First, let's
talk about the deal. This happened on August twenty first,
so about two weeks before our raft, our entry draft
for the rookies, Mystics acquired goaltender Mad Soguard for the
autumn Senators, left winger Carter Maser and a twenty twenty
five third round pick, which ended up being William Moore.
At the back half of our draft, there Mason, the
NHL Rankking, acquired from his mother defenseman David Reinbacker and
twenty five third round pick, which turned out to be
Ivan Prosmetov. And I'm just going to say that these
third round picks cancel each other out. We did have
some issues with both of these picks due to some
internal rules of the tidy. Some picks were made that
were not allowed, and so both Moore and Prosmetov were
kind of replacement picks, and so they're irrelevant to this deal.
I'm thinking of it more as Mad Soguard and Masar
for David Reinbacher. I asked the Blacks about the genesis
of this deal, and here's what they had to say.
Starting with Mason, that he watched the Dispersal draft pretty
closely and noticed that Mystics got pinched on goalies, that
she was the only team that didn't have back to
back picks, and there were really only five legitimate NHL
starters in the dispersal All five got picked in a row,
leaving Mystics with just one, and so by the end
of the draft, the Mystics had built a solid team
with glaring strength of defense and a lack of goalie depth.
Mason's own team was lacking in defensive prospects, so he
was looking to add a decent d that might be
streamable up and down from the Miners. Hence David Weinbacher.
Mason has solid goalie death, which why he was comfortable
giving up mad So guard despite the Miners eligible goalies
easily being the most valuable position in the tidy, and
on that I do agree. Soguard is on a one
way contract and there was a decent amount of buzz
that he might make the Senators at the time of
the trade in August, and he was eventually their last
cut from camp. So guard has had injury riddled season
after injury riddled season. Being a bigger guy, they tend
to get hurt a bit more. The Mystics had drafted
Marilyn and so this was a decent handcuff that could
get some NHL games this year. As for Carter Maser,
he's another guy that had some sneaky upside and got
a taste of the NHL before having a season ending
energy injury just minutes into his first NHL game. Donna
responded with this that as much as she likes rhin
Backer as a fifth overall pick at the time of
the trade, that Logan Mayou was still with the Habs
and that she felt he was higher on the depth chart,
especially since rhin Bacher had only played ten AHL games
last season has never played more than forty six games
in a season, being someone who came up in the
National Swiss League. Goalies are hard to acquire in this league,
and Soguard is on a one way contract. Since Donna
owned Marilynan, she knew that one of them would back
up Olmark this year and whoever was sent down would
get some games at some point that they would be
battling it out. On Daubers September Prospect goalie rankings, Soguard
is ninth, ahead of some pretty good goalies as far
as Maser, and this is where a bit of the
mother's son competitiveness comes in. Mason had tried to pawn
off Brendan Breson on her, to which she was not
very happy. She has lost faith in Brendan Breson, so
they renegotiated for Maser. She feels that with his fifteen
points in his last twenty AHL games that he is
well suited for this type of league the Tidy as
a two way player with hits and should get some
NHL games this season. And she also did also say
that the picks were irrelevant. Our Tidy managers favored the
son over the mother here, although I think that could
be a little bit of fawning over the champion here.
Where do you guys, land Let's start with Victor.
Speaker 5: I think that no matter which way we go, Donna
gets praise because either she was the smarter one in
the trade or she raised the Sun to be the
smarter one in the trade. So either way, kudo's Donna.
I have to say that at the beginning, But I
do think that this I land a little bit closer
on Mason's side for this one, which most people do.
I think that I know I've talked a bit about
Soguard in talking with Kat about Kat Silverman about Soguard.
I'm just not sure that he's ever really gonna get
there in terms of being an NHL regular. Of course,
he's going to continue to get opportunity because he is
a behemoth, and so those smaller goalie get one or
two shots maybe, but larger goalies get shot after shot,
even if they struggle, which he has certainly, and he
has had some NHL games, and he certainly is on
the cuffs. So I like the fact that she has
someone who can be flexed in and out of that
spot and get some points. But I do think that
he's not quite as close as maybe some might think
in terms of being a regular. And I definitely like Marilina,
and I'm not someone who enjoys having tandems, so I
think people probably know that I'd rather just have the
person that I think is better, and maybe someone who's
closer on another team. But I get the idea, and
that's not a bad thing. And I really like Maser.
I think that he is I agree with her assessment
like strong in the AHL. He's always been a scorer.
He's always been able to figure it out at every
level and kind of improve year after year. But I
think regardless of how good he gets, he's still pretty
much a bottom six option. I don't think he ever
makes it into the top six. But he does have
some priffles and Detroit is looking a little bit better
and he can provide some depth scoring there. It's certainly
not a whiff by any mean I means. I just
think that I might have asked for a little bit
more for someone who I think is a pretty good asset.
In terms of Ryan Bacher, I do think that you
have to survive in the Lord Stanley division, and I
did my best last year to do that. It's no
simple task, so rounding out the edges and improving your
depth is often a really important aspect, and I do
think that she did that, so that's really important. It's
a very interesting strategy because in most all the other
leagues you're trying to push your way to the top
and get promoted, but in Lord Stanley, just not being
relegated as we've talked about before, is really important and
there's nowhere else to go right, You're just trying to
win that division, and so everyone is on the same boat.
There's not as much discrepancy between the teams. And Ryan,
you and I pulled off a trade last year because
we were in slightly different spots in the standings. But
I find it's really hard to find trade partners because
everyone has the same eye on things. So I'm glad
that they got this done. And I like the bet
on Ryan Backer personally because when you look at the
defense for the Habs, yes, they have guys ahead of him,
guys with more experience, but there's only two right handed shots,
and when this trade was made that there was not
no adoption, so no Adopson is there now. Alex Carrier
and the rest of these are all lefties who are
playing on their off side, and so Ryan Backer is
definitely the most qualified, the next most qualified righty to
be able to slide up there. And I do think
that he's Yeah, he hasn't had as much AHL time,
I'll give Donna that, but I think that he's pretty
He could be in the conversation as early as this
season and even if not. Mason and I would say
Jack are the two teams in this division who really
don't have to worry about relegation. Their teams are so good.
If they don't win, they're not getting relegated. So that
gives Mason the luxury that most teams don't have, which
means that he could wait on rhyinbacker if he doesn't
play at all this season. I still like this for
him because then he'll have that strong depth moving into
next year. So you mentioned that these picks aren't really
anyone anything super exciting, but just to mention that Prosvetov
because I know some people are really interested in him.
He's someone who could never really figured it out at
the NHL level, so I'm not convinced that he will
this time. But Calgary seems pretty bent on making him
be the backup. Or maybe they're just going to play
us a wolf for seventy games. I don't know, but
they don't really seem to have any other good options.
Devin Cooley is really not a good one either, so
it's going to be the Wolf Show this year and
they're going to go as far as he can take them,
and any game that anyone else plays is going to
be an adventure. We saw that in the preseason. Not
that super indicative, but it was not pretty when anyone
but Ustin Wolf was in there. And then William Moore.
I know that for these teams it doesn't really matter,
but William Moore is someone who I think a few
years from now could be really interesting. He's got to
be a little patient there, but I think that there's
potentially a depth player there. What do you think, Jesse?
Speaker 3: First of all, I just have a life philosophy and
a battle of wits of mother versus son. Never bet
against the mother, all right. That's just a purely philosophical
point of view. But then again, you've got the NHL
ranking the defending champion last year. I think I remember,
and you guys you were I was listening to the
tidy takes, I was editing it. I wasn't on most
of them, but it seems like mystics got dumped on
for a couple of trades last year, if I'm remembering right,
there were a couple that she was on the short
end of the vote on, and then all she did
was score the most points and get herself promoted to
the top league. So maybe let's not doubt some of
those trades even though she's coming in on the other
end of it. But really, I can make all the
narrative stuff I want out of it in the end. Really,
this is a this is not a challenge trade. This
is a position for a position trade. And obviously both
of them see something, even the players they're requiring. But
Mason's getting defenseman, Donna's getting and a winger that apparently
intrigues her. And so Mason's getting off an extra player
that's important at this time of year when you're trying
to get your rosters right sized, and Donna's filling in depth.
So I can see both sides. Like every trade, I
think you've got to try to see both sides of it.
Was there a logical case for what each side did,
and I think this certainly was one where I don't
see a problem with what either side did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the best things I've learned from working
on this podcast and being a co manager with Victor
in another league is that the win win trades are
always the best kind of trade to make. In a dynasty,
you always will have someone who's dealing from a position
of strength to try and fill a position of weakness,
and those are Even though it might be hard to
find trading partners given standing positions, especially in this particular league,
there's always an opportunity to find a win win. I
don't think there's either side of this trade that is
particularly winning over the other one, and frankly, I'm not
really interested in any of these players. If I had
to pick, I suppose I would take David Reinbacher over
Soguard's inconsistent deployment and the lineup crunch that is playing
out in Detroit in front of our very eyes, as
Emmett Finney is apparently the top line left winger over
a guy like Carter Maser. There's a lot going on
still at the beginning of the season here. I'm sure
Maser will get in at some point, if not as
a regular this season, maybe he'll get a couple of
games and be a valuable minors swing. Rhin Baker's injury
history is concerning. He's lost a lot of development time
to those injuries, so maybe his ceiling is to be
that lower end, top four guy. I could also see
a world where so Guard eventually signs in Europe and
Maser never really crafts a middle six, so I guess
give me rhinbacker because he will probably play NHL games.
And so that's like I said, the managers here are
a bit more interesting than the deal itself. Donna also
did mention, and I found this interesting enough to just
share here that it's important to her in any league
that she has been in together with Mason, that the
trade be extra fair to avoid the appear yearance of collusion.
Mostly but that, and although she is very proud of
what Mason has achieved in hockey with his playing career
and the creation of the NHL ranking app And of
course she didn't mention this, but I'm going to include
winning the tiered Dynasty League. I think that's a big
deal too, That she would like nothing better than to
beat him in Lord Stanley and knock him off the
throne this year. And let me say, as someone who
went through the playoffs and watched Mason claim the title,
I would love to see him knocked off the throne too.
It will certainly be watching this matchup with great delight
all season long. And thanks Donna and Mason for being
willing and open to share some of that family interpersonal stuff.
With us here on the Tidy Takes, and that's going
to do it for this offseason edition of Tidy Takes.
Thanks Jesse for joining us today. It was such a
pleasure to have you on the show.
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