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<v Speaker 1>He's Night Side with Dan ray I WBZ Costs Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, we don't do this much anymore, but

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<v Speaker 2>every once a week Massachusetts reports their confirmed COVID cases

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<v Speaker 2>and COVID has not gone away. Last week in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>there were three hundred and ninety four confirmed COVID cases

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<v Speaker 2>and four deaths attributed to COVID. But I will just

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<v Speaker 2>put that on the back burn because that's not worth

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<v Speaker 2>what we are talking about this hour. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to telepon to our microphones. Kevin Sirelli. Kevin Sirelli

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<v Speaker 2>is a futurist, someone who is thinking about tomorrow and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously has the perspective of yesterday, but is thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and has a website called Meetthefuture dot tv. Kevin SERRELLI,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a great chat this afternoon. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to leave it in the bullpen, but welcome to Night's Side.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much for joining us. You had a career.

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<v Speaker 2>You you were one of these folks who you were

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<v Speaker 2>going off to college and you didn't really have an

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<v Speaker 2>idea what you wanted to do when you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>journalism of all things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, talked my way into it. I talked my way

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<v Speaker 3>into it. You know, when I grew up, I grew

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<v Speaker 3>up outside of Philly. Don't hang up. I'm an Eagles fan.

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<v Speaker 3>But Oka Delaware County.

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<v Speaker 2>Get ragged rights. The last time the Patriots played the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 2>The Eagles won that Super Bowl too, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. So I feel welcome,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will say, you guys have a great program.

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<v Speaker 3>You do a lot of good for the community, and

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<v Speaker 3>I respect that deeply. But I grew up and I

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<v Speaker 3>got in for engineering at Penn State. But I always

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<v Speaker 3>watched the news and listened to the news and read

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<v Speaker 3>the news. And when I got in for engineering, my

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<v Speaker 3>dad was an engineer and my dad goes, Kevin, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't like math. You really you're not a numbers guy kid.

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<v Speaker 3>So I said, well, what do I do? He goes,

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<v Speaker 3>go try out for the school newspaper. So that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I didn't tell anyone because you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you know anything about the daily Collegiate at Ben's safe

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I'm like, those kids are smart. So I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think I was going to make it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>ended up making it. And I said, Dad, I made

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<v Speaker 3>the paper, and I just thought it was the coolest

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<v Speaker 3>thing you could call. Anybody get into anything. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a free ticket to really just if you're a curious guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am. You know, it's it's a great way

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<v Speaker 3>to learn. And and I'll be blunt about I was

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<v Speaker 3>way better at being a journalist than I wasn't being

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<v Speaker 3>a student. And I get a call from the dean

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<v Speaker 3>like halfway through college and he goes, you haven't taken

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<v Speaker 3>a journalism course and you're still technically not a journalism major. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, you're also worried at Penn State at

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<v Speaker 2>a at a tough time for Ben's for Penn State,

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<v Speaker 2>that was, and a time when a guy from New England,

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<v Speaker 2>coach Bill O'Brien brought that football provern back after the

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<v Speaker 2>scandals of the Paternal years in Sandusky. I know nothing

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<v Speaker 2>about Sandusky other than what we saw we court. I

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<v Speaker 2>still don't understand how Paternal could have turned a blind

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<v Speaker 2>eyedea to all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my biggest takeaway from that story, which was honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>truthfully the hardest story that I've ever told ever in

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<v Speaker 3>any of my reporting. But I remember sitting in the

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<v Speaker 3>Center County Courthouse in belfont Pia, which is right outside

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<v Speaker 3>of State College. It's a small little town, dead smack

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of what James Carville calls pennsil Tucky,

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<v Speaker 3>in between you know, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. There's a whole

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of Alabama in between. And that's where I was.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember the courage of the young people who testified,

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<v Speaker 3>not just before the global media which descended upon that town,

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<v Speaker 3>not just before their community members, but the man Jerry

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<v Speaker 3>Sandusky who did those heinous crimes, and the courage that

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<v Speaker 3>that took for them. And they were my age when

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<v Speaker 3>they were testifying. I was, you know, a senior in college.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 3>It really left a lasting, lasting impression, and it also

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<v Speaker 3>gave me confidence in the justice system.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So from there, you you pursued kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>media career, a journalism career or whatever, and you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta break that no one ever could have anticipated,

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<v Speaker 2>which it kind of propelled you down the road of journalism.

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<v Speaker 3>Ironically, it's funny, and it's funny, you know, I was,

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<v Speaker 3>I bounced around a Politico and the Hill newspaper and

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<v Speaker 3>uh and I was I Donald Trump's Twitter got hacked.

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<v Speaker 3>But back in twenty I want to say twelve. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is when Twitter was not ex it was Twitter,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just covered the Sandusky trial, had just moved

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<v Speaker 3>mopping floors at a coffee shop on the weekends. And

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<v Speaker 3>my editor emails me and goes, you need to reach

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<v Speaker 3>out to Trump's people. I'm like Trump from The Apprentice

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<v Speaker 3>because if Twitter got hacked, and I go, who cares

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<v Speaker 3>about Donald Trump's Twitter? You know here, I am big

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<v Speaker 3>hot shot fresh out of college. I grew up watching

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<v Speaker 3>exactly exactly, yeah, and I go pretty serious lyrics come on?

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<v Speaker 3>So I reach out to this guy named Michael Cohen

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<v Speaker 3>and he started and ead the Fixer exactly, And he.

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<v Speaker 2>Gives me, I'm curious, how did you just happen to

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<v Speaker 2>get Michael Cohen's Cohen was pretty close to Trump, as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know I can talk my way

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<v Speaker 3>into anything. That's a good journalist, right, So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I just I go, what do I do? You call

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Cohen? That's the guy's lawyer. Like everyone got a lawyer, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So reach out to Donald Trump's lawyer. So I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two you know, and you know, and I'm and

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<v Speaker 3>I end up having a long conversation with Michael Cohen,

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<v Speaker 3>and flash forward, I'm at the Hill a year and

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<v Speaker 3>a half later and Trump's calling into Morning Joe, and

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<v Speaker 3>my mom and dad back in Delco are telling me,

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<v Speaker 3>well do you think of Trump? And I'm like, that

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<v Speaker 3>guy has no chance of being president. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like everyone and their mother's running for president.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then, pol not a political operative. You're a journalist,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. So then my best buddy goes also back

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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania, they're all talking about Trump, so I go.

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<v Speaker 3>He dares me, you should interview Donald Trump, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>why not. I dig back in my email find Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Cohen's address. He connects me to a woman named Hope Pix.

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<v Speaker 3>Next thing I know, I'm in Trump Tower, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she says, mister trumbles, and I go up to the

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<v Speaker 3>pop floor and Trump threatens to runners a third party candidate.

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<v Speaker 3>My editor's there, and it was the whole thing. Next

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<v Speaker 3>thing I know, Bloomberg hires me and they put me

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<v Speaker 3>on Trump and Ben Carson until they fizzle out. And

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<v Speaker 3>obviously Trump never fizzled out, so I traveled the country

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<v Speaker 3>the world and was one of the originals. And then yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Whull Picks was his his go to person, and she

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of coverage in the one of the

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<v Speaker 2>the trial in New York City. So you you you

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<v Speaker 2>were mixing with the right people, that's for sure. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the career journalism has now launched you into another area.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, you said you're a Bloomberg. You must

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<v Speaker 2>know my former colleague at w BZ, Joe Matthew.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course, yeah, yeah, small world.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a small world. Trust me. Joe was there

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<v Speaker 2>our morning anchor at w b Z before he went

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<v Speaker 2>with Bloomberg a few years ago. So uh, yeah, very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we do have some other other connections. So

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<v Speaker 2>now you're what's called a futurist and you okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you have a website called Meet the Future dot

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<v Speaker 3>M t S dot TV. Yeah, m c S dot TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone goes it's mt V, I said, no, it's actually

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<v Speaker 3>more like meets Discovery Channel. You said Meet the Future.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's m t ST yeah, right, right, right, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>So then the title Meet the Future stands or MTF

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<v Speaker 2>stands for meet the future and yes dot TV okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and your your mission statement, uh, if there is, if

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<v Speaker 2>there is one, to embrace freedom as we meet the futures,

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<v Speaker 2>challenges and opportunities. Uh, do not nostra damas, nor do

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<v Speaker 2>you play one on the radio. And you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you who's going to be elected president in

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<v Speaker 3>Day.

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<v Speaker 2>However, trends and things that you're looking at from a

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<v Speaker 2>technical point of view, and that's where I think our

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<v Speaker 2>of questions and comments. So I got to take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break here. The only thing I know about the future,

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that I've experienced about the future is

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<v Speaker 2>driving in a cab way mow in San Francisco. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for me. Okay, what someone says to me,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the future? So wee go back. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you to kind of describe where we're headed in

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<v Speaker 2>this world. What's what's going to fall by the wayside

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<v Speaker 2>and what is going to blossom as we as we

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<v Speaker 2>move forward. That is going to be pretty much our conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know you can more than handle it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that our listeners realize that we're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of different lengthier interviews tonight than we normally do,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want folks to get involved. Six one seven, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten, third, six one seven will be back on

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side with my guest Kevin Sirilli MTF dot TV,

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<v Speaker 2>which stands for Meet the Future. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of folks in my audience who are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>smarter than I am on some of the things we're

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is Kevin Soirelli. He's a futurist, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going by the end of this hour, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>understand that phrase. Perhaps a little bit more. We'll drill

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<v Speaker 2>down a little bit and Kevin, let's let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>where we're headed when when we talk today briefly, uh well,

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<v Speaker 2>actually not briefly, for about half an hour, you seem

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<v Speaker 2>to suggest that a lot of the things that people

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<v Speaker 2>that people have recently joined, like Facebook and Twitter and

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<v Speaker 2>all of those might be going the way of the

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<v Speaker 2>dinosaurs for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think a lot about the First Industrial Revolution,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think a lot about what it must have

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<v Speaker 3>been like to be around even when the Gutenberg printing

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<v Speaker 3>level of technology that has transformed our lives, from GPS

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<v Speaker 3>talking about driverless cars. And when you think of the

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<v Speaker 3>one blinks because we think it's a waste of time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really a transformational moment when America is turning two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty years old next year and we now

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<v Speaker 3>are living at what I believe is the start of

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<v Speaker 3>the revolution that will be like tenfold at least the

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<v Speaker 3>size of the Industrial Revolution. So where are we building toward?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it gets a lot of clicks, and

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<v Speaker 3>I get the game. I get the game. But what's

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<v Speaker 3>matter what side of the ideological spectrum you're on. But

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<v Speaker 3>that you're doing? And you know why people should care?

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, well, the average American interacts with space

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<v Speaker 3>more than two dozen times per day. I said really,

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<v Speaker 3>and he goes, yeah, and they don't even know it.

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<v Speaker 3>and Google Earth and satellite imagery that we're using. But

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<v Speaker 3>what would happen if China or Russia took out their

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<v Speaker 3>where either our military doesn't have access to that information,

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<v Speaker 3>even see. And maybe you know, no one up in

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<v Speaker 3>space loses their lives per se, but here on the

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're thinking about that. You're thinking about how Shi

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<v Speaker 3>Jingping of the Chinese Communist Party and his totalitarian twin,

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<v Speaker 3>Vladimir Putin, they're doing. We always talk about the ships

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<v Speaker 3>out of Alaska or in the Indo Pacific and the

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<v Speaker 3>military exercises, their drills that they're doing. But they're doing

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing with their satellites, their robotic satellites up

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<v Speaker 3>and outer space, and that matters, it really matters, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is a lot of repercussions.

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<v Speaker 2>So the question then becomes, and we've got to get

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<v Speaker 2>Is there an administration, and I'm not talking Democrat Republican.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there an administration that has done or is doing

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<v Speaker 2>a better job anticipating those problems. I don't know. If

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<v Speaker 2>you read the book seventy seven Days in September, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting thing that you know, goes goes off and

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<v Speaker 2>back home to Minnesota. Took him seventy oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. I The author is

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<v Speaker 2>Ray and I'm trying to think of his last name.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get I'll have it on the other side. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been a great guest, but well we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side. And then I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about things that are are not inherently dangerous, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you see coming down the line that

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<v Speaker 2>we're all going to all. Yeah, help, Absolutely, we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to all of this. If you have any questions, feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Sarelli is here six one, seven, two, four ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six one seven, nine, three thirty back on Night's side.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after this, I told Kevin today, I said, we

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<v Speaker 2>feel free wherever you're listening tonight, give us a call.

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<v Speaker 2>And as they say, never make me somebody who sounds

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<v Speaker 2>silly when I tell a guest we got listeners in

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<v Speaker 2>different places, feel free to join the conversation. As they say,

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<v Speaker 2>often the only dumb questions of the questions that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the courage to ask. I know that I

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<v Speaker 2>found that out when I was in law school. Always

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<v Speaker 2>the midterm of the finals. Back in Nightside with my guest,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Sorelli, a futurist MTF meet the Future MTF dot

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<v Speaker 2>TV coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray. I'MBZ Boston's News Radio with.

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<v Speaker 2>Me is Kevin Surly. Kevin is what's called a futurist.

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<v Speaker 2>He spends a lot of time thinking about the future

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<v Speaker 2>and what impact it might have on my future and

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<v Speaker 2>on your future, and on his future. The book seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven Days in September was written by a fellow named

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Gorham. A very interesting book, and it does talk

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<v Speaker 2>about electromagnetic pulses and what can happen. The more we

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<v Speaker 2>rely on technology, the more we become, in some respects

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<v Speaker 2>a slave of it. Friend of mine whose car battery died, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but what about the troglodytes who were saying whoa whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I just think back to the iPhone

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<v Speaker 3>and your local pharmacies and whatnot. But now the AirPod

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<v Speaker 3>so that's meet the future right there is the policy

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<v Speaker 3>as all of our devices become not just that we're

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<v Speaker 3>our devices are more and more intertwined, and it has

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<v Speaker 3>to be in sync not just with one particular company,

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<v Speaker 3>but with our American ideals, because Lord forbid, a bad

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<v Speaker 3>actor have access to what I believe will be bigger

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<v Speaker 3>than the iPhone and the smartphones in general, which is glasses,

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<v Speaker 3>wearable technology on your face. You're seeing Meta get into that,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going, or you glance down to see where the

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<v Speaker 3>gas tank is. Why should you take your eyes off

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<v Speaker 3>the road. So if you've got the glasses on, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>have a number and you'll see it it And it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost like playing a video game. Like think of playing

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<v Speaker 3>a video game when you're in a race car or

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<v Speaker 3>in a jet and you see in front of you

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<v Speaker 3>target here, it is here, it is that's for all

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<v Speaker 3>this is that is yeah, and it'll be on your face.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, I get that. But the question is, can

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<v Speaker 2>you be distracted by what is in your your eyeglass

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<v Speaker 2>frame or what it would appear to be in your

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<v Speaker 2>eye glass frame?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm playing, Well, aren't you just double's advocate right back?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you get distracted by the computer that's in your

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<v Speaker 3>pocket and you're a smartphone? Doesn't that distract us already?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Sure I had, But I have the ability if

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<v Speaker 2>I want, if I'm a good doobie, I can turn

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<v Speaker 2>my cell phone off, or I can ignore it when

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<v Speaker 2>it rings, or if I want to talk on it,

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<v Speaker 2>I can pull off to the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Now most people don't, I get that, Okay, But what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying is, once my glass is I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to show me the landscape, but they're going to show

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<v Speaker 2>me some some written information.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, messages, text messages.

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<v Speaker 2>At whatever, whatever. At what point will I reach will

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<v Speaker 2>my brain reach overload?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I think that's a great point. And to

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<v Speaker 3>be blunt with you, I think that in the long term,

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<v Speaker 3>in the next two decades, there's going to be more

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<v Speaker 3>and more autonomous vehicles and driving will be like eventually

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<v Speaker 3>what we think of with the horse and buggy. But

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<v Speaker 3>let me put the goggles to you this way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>when you go into the operating room, your doctor is

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<v Speaker 3>holding a clipboard looking at charts. There's probably a computer monitor,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's nurses and technicians and whatnot. But when I

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<v Speaker 3>saw this demo, I was down in Florida. I'll never

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<v Speaker 3>forget it. The demo set. Put these on and see

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<v Speaker 3>a world where you're looking down and you're getting the

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<v Speaker 3>data of the operating wound in front of them. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's augmented reality over the operating procedure. And eventually you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to look back one day and you're going to say,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want my doctor ever holding a clipboard ever again.

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<v Speaker 3>I want the technology and his vision and his scalpel

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<v Speaker 3>or her scalple operating, because that is the most up

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<v Speaker 3>to date information and technology to save lives. And when

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<v Speaker 3>I thought of it that way, I thought I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I had the aha moment that these glasses are really

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<v Speaker 3>the future, and it's why Meta and Rayman are doing partnerships.

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<v Speaker 3>Apple has really put the kebash. This is just breaking

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<v Speaker 3>this week on the Apple Vision pros. Huge dud for them,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, But now they're thinking, we try to

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<v Speaker 3>get into this. The glasses, I mean, Mark Zuckerberg's biggest

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<v Speaker 3>hit isn't Facebook or Instagram. It's legitimately these glasses that

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<v Speaker 3>he developed as a side project with Rayman, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>selling like hotcakes.

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<v Speaker 2>So what about the idea that all of these big

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<v Speaker 2>companies will decide, Okay, we're not going to engage in

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<v Speaker 2>an anti trust activity per se. But what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do is we're going to focus pardon the pun,

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<v Speaker 2>in this area. We'll let Zuckerberg focus in this area.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is there going to be competition? If everybody, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is competition going to go away?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, and competition. The greatest export of America has

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<v Speaker 3>always been its innovation, and that has to be protected.

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<v Speaker 3>It's why China steals it from us. But the competition

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<v Speaker 3>very bit that they're great at cheating. They're great cheaters.

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<v Speaker 3>They are they're great cheaters, and you know, but but

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<v Speaker 3>but but let's double down on this because because the

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<v Speaker 3>fight I think that we in America take sometimes and

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<v Speaker 3>now you know, I think every American is is is

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<v Speaker 3>at least having a perspective on it with the terraff.

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<v Speaker 3>But the battle is okay. So you've got goggles on

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<v Speaker 3>your head and you can be distracted. Who do you

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<v Speaker 3>want programming those goggles? An American company or a Russian

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<v Speaker 3>company or a Chinese company that I think is an

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<v Speaker 3>American because they believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>The question, the question provides the answer. But it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>something to think about if we If we don't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>someone else will.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the TikTok fight was really just the it

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<v Speaker 3>was Paul Revere to be blunt. It was it was

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<v Speaker 3>you're in New England. I mean you know that it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I covered I covered that ride back that night in

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen seventy five. Yeah, I had a live shot you

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<v Speaker 2>conquered that night. It was cold, only kidding. So so

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at all of this, and but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to roll back before we go to break here

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<v Speaker 2>to the the electromagnetic pulse issue and the conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>what China could do via via satellites, et cetera. I

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<v Speaker 2>assume that we have a scientific structure, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>military structure. We have all of these structures, but at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, the decisions of where the money goes and

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<v Speaker 2>where the emphasis comes comes from who's ever in charge

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<v Speaker 2>as a democracy? And I want you to pick a

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<v Speaker 2>president for me. I'm not looking for that, but I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>how important is it that in coming presidential campaigns as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to talking about the issues that we traditionally talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the federal debt, open closed borders, how many

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<v Speaker 2>warships China has? When will the presidential conversations get to

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about tonight next time?

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<v Speaker 3>The question, No, it's not going to be next time.

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<v Speaker 3>This is nice. Thank you for asking this question. When

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<v Speaker 3>I was a kid, you know, mister Justin used to

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<v Speaker 3>teach me and Delco in the seventh grade history class,

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<v Speaker 3>elections are about the future. I don't think we've had

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<v Speaker 3>an election that's been about the future since I was

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<v Speaker 3>a kid. Okay, And it's not a critique on a candidate.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a critique on our system and the legacy media

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<v Speaker 3>institutions that just are not they're not talking about issues

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<v Speaker 3>that are just the future, like they're missing it. And

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<v Speaker 3>the people get it, Like everyone I talk to gets it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, my friends, my family, your listeners. They get it.

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<v Speaker 3>They see that their kids are using artificial intelligence every

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<v Speaker 3>day to go to school, and there's a debate happening

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<v Speaker 3>between teachers and students over best practices. We've got to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the press has to do a better job.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think we're still a ways away, but we

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<v Speaker 3>got to have our eye on the book. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>China playing the long game, and they're playing for keeps.

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<v Speaker 3>They're talking about a five hundred year plan. We can't

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<v Speaker 3>be talking about every four year plan forever, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Question about that. They want to be the they want

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<v Speaker 2>to emerge at the end of the twenty first century

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<v Speaker 2>as that runs the world. My guest is Kevin so Early.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a futurist. We're talking about some interesting issues. If

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to join the conversation, feel free six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get to phone calls, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple of more questions myself, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>much prefer to hear your questions. We'll be back on

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<v Speaker 2>Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is Kevin su Early. He's a futurists. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>from website Meet the Future MTF dot tv. Kevin. One

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<v Speaker 2>final quick question from me, and that is this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a follow up on the last question. As

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<v Speaker 2>you said, the China's playing the long game. We play

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<v Speaker 2>a game that's four years, or arguably every two years

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<v Speaker 2>because you have the off year presidential elections. Americans vote

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<v Speaker 2>in elections primarily with their pocketbooks. So last time it

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<v Speaker 2>was the price of eggs, the price of gasoline, inflation,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that federal debt. Who who is the candidate

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be brave enough or or small enough

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<v Speaker 2>to take up this set of questions that you and

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<v Speaker 2>I have been talking about for the last forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, I'll be honest with you, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have my word, truly, And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for tonight. And this has really been just

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<v Speaker 3>so much fun and I really appreciate it. But but

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<v Speaker 3>but you have my word that once we get cranking

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<v Speaker 3>and you can subscribe to our newsletter and Meet the

569
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<v Speaker 3>Future on sub sec that's my that's just subscribe and

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00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 3>we'll just get it five days a week, Sunday to Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>But once I put my foot on the gas and

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<v Speaker 3>I started interviewing these folks. These are the types of

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<v Speaker 3>questions I'm asking them. The topics that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care about, you know, did this, do this?

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<v Speaker 4>Or do that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care about the horse race. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>You know why, because there's no we don't have horse

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<v Speaker 3>and buggies anymore. That's why I don't care about the

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<v Speaker 3>horse race. Even the anecdotes is out is out of place.

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<v Speaker 3>So I care. I care about the future. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>that we got. We got to have more journalists like

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<v Speaker 3>you and like I would argue myself, who are asking

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<v Speaker 3>those types of questions, because then people will catch on.

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<v Speaker 3>The public wants it. They're craving it. They're craving it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's so anyway. But I look forward to

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<v Speaker 3>not just to you know, I'm Catholic, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>don't put your faith in a in a human right

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<v Speaker 3>because you'll be disappointed. But I am looking forward to

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<v Speaker 3>a platform that captures the American spirit of innovation, that

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<v Speaker 3>is forward thinking. And I think we have to we

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<v Speaker 3>have to get there, and we have to innovate. The

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<v Speaker 3>innovation must remain innovation rounded and rooted in our principles.

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<v Speaker 3>As we celebrate the birth of our country two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty years, we can't just be thinking of seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy six. We have to be thinking of where we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in the next two hundred and fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I asked that question to Space Force, they

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<v Speaker 3>told me beyond the moon. Beyond the moon. Back in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen sixties, it was to be able to go

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<v Speaker 3>to the moon. We dared to go to the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we laugh when we have a debate about whether

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<v Speaker 3>we should go to the moon or Mars. Well, Space

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<v Speaker 3>Force is thinking we're going beyond the moon. Our democracy

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<v Speaker 3>will be beyond the moon, and we have to start

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<v Speaker 3>thinking like that. How are we setting over that?

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<v Speaker 2>Let help? I want to get one call in for you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I got Margie somewhere in the Catskills. Margie, we're flat

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<v Speaker 2>out of time. Thank you for calling back. We lost

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<v Speaker 2>you there for a moment. You're my guest. Kevin's a

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<v Speaker 2>really quick comment of question. Marg You go right.

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead, very very quick. I feel so sorry for the futurist,

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<v Speaker 5>because you will never ever be surprised. I went to

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<v Speaker 5>the Woodstock Festival in sixty nine, and when I walked

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<v Speaker 5>over that hill and saw four hundred thousand people, that

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<v Speaker 5>would never have happened today. Everyone's on their cell phones.

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<v Speaker 5>You're never gonna see a surprise, Margie.

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<v Speaker 2>And ef P and E f P over America would

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<v Speaker 2>be a hell of a surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, Kevin, Margie, come with me to Coachella next year. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll dance our socks off, all right, Marge. I got hope,

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<v Speaker 3>I got faith. People love to dance. I read about Woodstock,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know we'll put on her dancing. She kids

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<v Speaker 3>love to dance march. Come on. I'm an optimist.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Margie, Thanks, thank you, Margie. Thanks Maggie, talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you soon. What was Coachella? I've heard of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>tell us that is That's not the Burning Man Festival?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it out of there?

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<v Speaker 3>And you no, no, no, no, no, no no no.

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<v Speaker 3>Coachella is what all the kids go to. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never been. I drove through it. I had to

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<v Speaker 3>get to the Pat Telvion Race and Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>I was out in La.

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing a thing in La a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago, and I at usc and I drove with

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<v Speaker 3>like a moron. I should have been in one of

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<v Speaker 3>those robotics because.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't you know, you didn't follow ways obviously, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there's only one roads, so there's only one way

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<v Speaker 3>through Arizona, and so it's beautiful. I love Arizona, but

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<v Speaker 3>I love Arizona's gorgeous. But I but Palm Springs. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they put on Coachella and it's a big music festival.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the kids, they had, Lady Gaga, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all it's like Woodstock for this generation. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so I still think people people like to people like

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<v Speaker 3>to be together and and do those things because it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, human to human well enhances it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think what she was saying was that she

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<v Speaker 2>knew that there was a music festival, but if that

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<v Speaker 2>music festival was today and she was parking her car

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<v Speaker 2>five miles away and walking in to Woodstock, that she

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<v Speaker 2>would have been able to check on her cell phone

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<v Speaker 2>and would have seen pictures and and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that is a surprise I think she

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about. But guess what I mean. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see an emp surprise and all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden way cap and realize planes aren't flying because the

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<v Speaker 2>more we were relying on on electronics, the more that

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<v Speaker 2>everything can come down in one fell swoop. I would

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<v Speaker 2>again't recommend people read seventy seven Days in September. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Gorm had a follow on book as well, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's real. I mean, you know, when when all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden my cable TV goes out, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what am I going to do for my information here?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, oh, this is this is the sign of

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<v Speaker 3>the times. I don't even have cable Okay, okay, conversation,

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<v Speaker 3>my friend, all right, conversation, that's the that's the next one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the next one. Kevin. Again, folks can follow you

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<v Speaker 2>on substack, is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, on substack and then my website MTF dot

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<v Speaker 3>tv and you know, and and you know and write man,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm we all got to. What I want

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<v Speaker 3>is for people to feel proactive about tomorrow so that

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<v Speaker 3>they play a part in it. This isn't just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the forces or the chatbots are going to tell us

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<v Speaker 3>what to do. This isn't nineteen eighty four. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, and we get we have we're in the

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<v Speaker 3>front seat you know, we're in the driver's seat. Even

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<v Speaker 3>if we're not driving the car. We get to orient

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves for what future we want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not driving the car, we're paying for the car.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta look at it like that, Kevin. Great, great conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. We will talk to you here.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you. Okay, thanks list same you to thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Kevin Sarelli a futurist, and I think it's some

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<v Speaker 2>people got us to keep thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton's campaign song was Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that should be our campaign song. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back here on night Side right after eleven o'clock news.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us.