Speaker 1: He's Night Side with Dan ray I WBZ Costs Radio.
Speaker 2: By the way, we don't do this much anymore, but
Speaker 2: every once a week Massachusetts reports their confirmed COVID cases
Speaker 2: and COVID has not gone away. Last week in Massachusetts
Speaker 2: there were three hundred and ninety four confirmed COVID cases
Speaker 2: and four deaths attributed to COVID. But I will just
Speaker 2: put that on the back burn because that's not worth
Speaker 2: what we are talking about this hour. I want to
Speaker 2: welcome to telepon to our microphones. Kevin Sirelli. Kevin Sirelli
Speaker 2: is a futurist, someone who is thinking about tomorrow and
Speaker 2: obviously has the perspective of yesterday, but is thinking about
Speaker 2: tomorrow and has a website called Meetthefuture dot tv. Kevin SERRELLI,
Speaker 2: we had a great chat this afternoon. I don't want
Speaker 2: to leave it in the bullpen, but welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us. You had a career.
Speaker 2: You you were one of these folks who you were
Speaker 2: going off to college and you didn't really have an
Speaker 2: idea what you wanted to do when you kind of
Speaker 2: journalism of all things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talked my way into it. I talked my way
Speaker 3: into it. You know, when I grew up, I grew
Speaker 3: up outside of Philly. Don't hang up. I'm an Eagles fan.
Speaker 3: But Oka Delaware County.
Speaker 2: Get ragged rights. The last time the Patriots played the Eagles.
Speaker 2: The Eagles won that Super Bowl too, So.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. So I feel welcome,
Speaker 3: and I will say, you guys have a great program.
Speaker 3: You do a lot of good for the community, and
Speaker 3: I respect that deeply. But I grew up and I
Speaker 3: got in for engineering at Penn State. But I always
Speaker 3: watched the news and listened to the news and read
Speaker 3: the news. And when I got in for engineering, my
Speaker 3: dad was an engineer and my dad goes, Kevin, you
Speaker 3: don't like math. You really you're not a numbers guy kid.
Speaker 3: So I said, well, what do I do? He goes,
Speaker 3: go try out for the school newspaper. So that's what
Speaker 3: I did. I didn't tell anyone because you know, if
Speaker 3: you know anything about the daily Collegiate at Ben's safe
Speaker 3: to me. I'm like, those kids are smart. So I
Speaker 3: didn't think I was going to make it, and I
Speaker 3: ended up making it. And I said, Dad, I made
Speaker 3: the paper, and I just thought it was the coolest
Speaker 3: thing you could call. Anybody get into anything. It was
Speaker 3: a free ticket to really just if you're a curious guy,
Speaker 3: and I am. You know, it's it's a great way
Speaker 3: to learn. And and I'll be blunt about I was
Speaker 3: way better at being a journalist than I wasn't being
Speaker 3: a student. And I get a call from the dean
Speaker 3: like halfway through college and he goes, you haven't taken
Speaker 3: a journalism course and you're still technically not a journalism major. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the rest is history.
Speaker 2: You know, well, you're also worried at Penn State at
Speaker 2: a at a tough time for Ben's for Penn State,
Speaker 2: that was, and a time when a guy from New England,
Speaker 2: coach Bill O'Brien brought that football provern back after the
Speaker 2: scandals of the Paternal years in Sandusky. I know nothing
Speaker 2: about Sandusky other than what we saw we court. I
Speaker 2: still don't understand how Paternal could have turned a blind
Speaker 2: eyedea to all of that.
Speaker 3: You know, my biggest takeaway from that story, which was honestly,
Speaker 3: truthfully the hardest story that I've ever told ever in
Speaker 3: any of my reporting. But I remember sitting in the
Speaker 3: Center County Courthouse in belfont Pia, which is right outside
Speaker 3: of State College. It's a small little town, dead smack
Speaker 3: in the middle of what James Carville calls pennsil Tucky,
Speaker 3: in between you know, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. There's a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of Alabama in between. And that's where I was.
Speaker 3: And I remember the courage of the young people who testified,
Speaker 3: not just before the global media which descended upon that town,
Speaker 3: not just before their community members, but the man Jerry
Speaker 3: Sandusky who did those heinous crimes, and the courage that
Speaker 3: that took for them. And they were my age when
Speaker 3: they were testifying. I was, you know, a senior in college.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It really left a lasting, lasting impression, and it also
Speaker 3: gave me confidence in the justice system.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So from there, you you pursued kind of a
Speaker 2: media career, a journalism career or whatever, and you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta break that no one ever could have anticipated,
Speaker 2: which it kind of propelled you down the road of journalism.
Speaker 3: Ironically, it's funny, and it's funny, you know, I was,
Speaker 3: I bounced around a Politico and the Hill newspaper and
Speaker 3: uh and I was I Donald Trump's Twitter got hacked.
Speaker 3: But back in twenty I want to say twelve. And
Speaker 3: this is when Twitter was not ex it was Twitter,
Speaker 3: and I just covered the Sandusky trial, had just moved
Speaker 3: to the DC, first job out of college. I'm like
Speaker 3: mopping floors at a coffee shop on the weekends. And
Speaker 3: my editor emails me and goes, you need to reach
Speaker 3: out to Trump's people. I'm like Trump from The Apprentice
Speaker 3: because if Twitter got hacked, and I go, who cares
Speaker 3: about Donald Trump's Twitter? You know here, I am big
Speaker 3: hot shot fresh out of college. I grew up watching
Speaker 3: exactly exactly, yeah, and I go pretty serious lyrics come on?
Speaker 3: So I reach out to this guy named Michael Cohen
Speaker 3: and he started and ead the Fixer exactly, And he.
Speaker 2: Gives me, I'm curious, how did you just happen to
Speaker 2: get Michael Cohen's Cohen was pretty close to Trump, as
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know I can talk my way
Speaker 3: into anything. That's a good journalist, right, So you know,
Speaker 3: I just I go, what do I do? You call
Speaker 3: Michael Cohen? That's the guy's lawyer. Like everyone got a lawyer, right,
Speaker 3: So reach out to Donald Trump's lawyer. So I'm like
Speaker 3: twenty two you know, and you know, and I'm and
Speaker 3: I end up having a long conversation with Michael Cohen,
Speaker 3: and flash forward, I'm at the Hill a year and
Speaker 3: a half later and Trump's calling into Morning Joe, and
Speaker 3: my mom and dad back in Delco are telling me,
Speaker 3: well do you think of Trump? And I'm like, that
Speaker 3: guy has no chance of being president. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like everyone and their mother's running for president.
Speaker 2: Back then, pol not a political operative. You're a journalist,
Speaker 2: go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So then my best buddy goes also back
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, they're all talking about Trump, so I go.
Speaker 3: He dares me, you should interview Donald Trump, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: why not. I dig back in my email find Michael
Speaker 3: Cohen's address. He connects me to a woman named Hope Pix.
Speaker 3: Next thing I know, I'm in Trump Tower, and you know,
Speaker 3: she says, mister trumbles, and I go up to the
Speaker 3: pop floor and Trump threatens to runners a third party candidate.
Speaker 3: My editor's there, and it was the whole thing. Next
Speaker 3: thing I know, Bloomberg hires me and they put me
Speaker 3: on Trump and Ben Carson until they fizzle out. And
Speaker 3: obviously Trump never fizzled out, so I traveled the country
Speaker 3: the world and was one of the originals. And then yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Whull Picks was his his go to person, and she
Speaker 2: got a lot of coverage in the one of the
Speaker 2: the trial in New York City. So you you you
Speaker 2: were mixing with the right people, that's for sure. But uh,
Speaker 2: the career journalism has now launched you into another area.
Speaker 2: By the way, you said you're a Bloomberg. You must
Speaker 2: know my former colleague at w BZ, Joe Matthew.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, yeah, yeah, small world.
Speaker 2: It is a small world. Trust me. Joe was there
Speaker 2: our morning anchor at w b Z before he went
Speaker 2: with Bloomberg a few years ago. So uh, yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we do have some other other connections. So
Speaker 2: now you're what's called a futurist and you okay, we'll
Speaker 2: see you have a website called Meet the Future dot
Speaker 2: t V and.
Speaker 3: M t S dot TV. Yeah, m c S dot TV.
Speaker 3: Everyone goes it's mt V, I said, no, it's actually
Speaker 3: more like meets Discovery Channel. You said Meet the Future.
Speaker 2: But it's m t ST yeah, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: So then the title Meet the Future stands or MTF
Speaker 2: stands for meet the future and yes dot TV okay,
Speaker 2: and your your mission statement, uh, if there is, if
Speaker 2: there is one, to embrace freedom as we meet the futures,
Speaker 2: challenges and opportunities. Uh, do not nostra damas, nor do
Speaker 2: you play one on the radio. And you're not going
Speaker 2: to tell you who's going to be elected president in
Speaker 2: twenty fifty two.
Speaker 3: Day.
Speaker 2: However, trends and things that you're looking at from a
Speaker 2: technical point of view, and that's where I think our
Speaker 2: audience will be able to interact with you in terms
Speaker 2: of questions and comments. So I got to take a
Speaker 2: quick break here. The only thing I know about the future,
Speaker 2: the only thing that I've experienced about the future is
Speaker 2: driving in a cab way mow in San Francisco. So
Speaker 2: that's it for me. Okay, what someone says to me,
Speaker 2: what's the future? So wee go back. I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask you to kind of describe where we're headed in
Speaker 2: this world. What's what's going to fall by the wayside
Speaker 2: and what is going to blossom as we as we
Speaker 2: move forward. That is going to be pretty much our conversation,
Speaker 2: and I know you can more than handle it, and
Speaker 2: I hope that our listeners realize that we're doing a
Speaker 2: couple of different lengthier interviews tonight than we normally do,
Speaker 2: but I want folks to get involved. Six one seven, five,
Speaker 2: four ten, third, six one seven will be back on
Speaker 2: Night Side with my guest Kevin Sirilli MTF dot TV,
Speaker 2: which stands for Meet the Future. I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of folks in my audience who are a lot
Speaker 2: smarter than I am on some of the things we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about, So folks feel free to join
Speaker 2: the conversation. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: My guest is Kevin Soirelli. He's a futurist, and we're
Speaker 2: going by the end of this hour, you're going to
Speaker 2: understand that phrase. Perhaps a little bit more. We'll drill
Speaker 2: down a little bit and Kevin, let's let's talk about
Speaker 2: where we're headed when when we talk today briefly, uh well,
Speaker 2: actually not briefly, for about half an hour, you seem
Speaker 2: to suggest that a lot of the things that people
Speaker 2: look upon as the latest and greatest, and maybe things
Speaker 2: that people have recently joined, like Facebook and Twitter and
Speaker 2: all of those might be going the way of the
Speaker 2: dinosaurs for sure.
Speaker 3: You know, I think a lot about the First Industrial Revolution,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot about what it must have
Speaker 3: been like to be around even when the Gutenberg printing
Speaker 3: press was invented. And when you think of even in
Speaker 3: the last thirty years, just the last three decades, the
Speaker 3: level of technology that has transformed our lives, from GPS
Speaker 3: and then the personal computer, and then the Internet, and
Speaker 3: then the cell phone and then Uber and now you're
Speaker 3: talking about driverless cars. And when you think of the
Speaker 3: biggest pop culture controversy this year has been a pop
Speaker 3: star goes to outer space for eleven minutes and no
Speaker 3: one blinks because we think it's a waste of time.
Speaker 3: It's really a transformational moment when America is turning two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years old next year and we now
Speaker 3: are living at what I believe is the start of
Speaker 3: the revolution that will be like tenfold at least the
Speaker 3: size of the Industrial Revolution. So where are we building toward?
Speaker 3: What what are we orienting toward? And what's our north star?
Speaker 3: And those are the questions that I'm much more interested
Speaker 3: in now, both on the digital frontier and the topography.
Speaker 3: I think a lot about digital frontiers as if it's
Speaker 3: it's a destination, you know, the same way that there's countries.
Speaker 3: Digital frontiers are digital destinations, especially in the world of
Speaker 3: AI and what's coming after artificial intelligence, which is quantum wow.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot about outer space as.
Speaker 2: Well, you know. It's it's interesting. I worked for many
Speaker 2: years a TV reporter and I had in my car
Speaker 2: when I was working the morning news and I was
Speaker 2: out the live reporter at five am in the morning
Speaker 2: because I wanted to coach Mike my kids in sports
Speaker 2: afternoons and evenings, and I would have map books.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, my dad had that.
Speaker 2: My dad, Yeah, and some of the and city maps
Speaker 2: and the ideas.
Speaker 3: You're sitting there in the.
Speaker 2: Dark with a flash oh this no, this was pre
Speaker 2: map quest and you're looking and does that a one
Speaker 2: way straight or whatever? And I remember one time, two times,
Speaker 2: stay about one. I'm somewhere in New Hampshire. It's like
Speaker 2: five o'clock in the morning, and I'm supposed to meet
Speaker 2: up with George Bosch, then Governor George Boyce, who's going
Speaker 2: to be campaigning somewhere in New Hampshire, and nobody's up.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like I'm looking at the houses
Speaker 2: are far apart, and finally I see a light. Normally
Speaker 2: during the day, you can pull over and ask someone, hey,
Speaker 2: where am I. So I had to go up to
Speaker 2: these houses like at five o'clock in the morning, knock
Speaker 2: on the door and ring the bell. Uh. And someone
Speaker 2: comes to the door and I said, Hi, I'm Dan
Speaker 2: Ray from Channel four. Oh, I know who you are.
Speaker 2: Good to tell me where I am and to get
Speaker 2: your bearings. Now you got ways and all of that.
Speaker 2: I remember one other time I was in Lynn, Massachusetts
Speaker 2: on New Year's morning. It's like it's four o'clock on
Speaker 2: New Year's morning. Everybody is either hungover or asleep, and
Speaker 2: I'm lost looking for somewhere, and I see a guy
Speaker 2: standing in the corner and as I go over, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pull up next to him, roll down the window
Speaker 2: January first, and ask him where I'm going. As I
Speaker 2: go over, I see that he pulls out of his
Speaker 2: coat a blade that's like eighteen inches long. At that point,
Speaker 2: it's like, no, you're going to be on the other
Speaker 2: side of my car. I'm putting in reverse and got here.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't happen today because everybody has ways. So are
Speaker 2: we going to be able to what do we go?
Speaker 2: How is that? How can they make ways better?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, listen, all of these stories
Speaker 3: are taking me back. And I'm an optimist, right. I
Speaker 3: believe that I would much rather live in a world
Speaker 3: with technology than without it. And I believe that, and
Speaker 3: so I think there's a lot of folks who are
Speaker 3: dooming gloomers. And you know, I think Elon Musk just
Speaker 3: had a headline. I saw that popped over. I wanted
Speaker 3: to say the terminal, but that's not the terminal popped
Speaker 3: over my feed.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, it's you know what happened, right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: but it's said, uh, it's said, uh, you know, the
Speaker 3: robots are coming and they can't be like the terminator.
Speaker 3: And you know, it gets a lot of clicks, and
Speaker 3: I get the game. I get the game. But what's
Speaker 3: more important is that we now as Americans, are so
Speaker 3: reliant on this technology and it We depend on it
Speaker 3: in many the same ways that we depend on our utilities.
Speaker 3: And it's a blessing to be an American. I believe that,
Speaker 3: and our freedoms and our democracy, even if you no
Speaker 3: matter what side of the ideological spectrum you're on. But
Speaker 3: I interviewed one of the top generals at the United
Speaker 3: States Space Force, which is the military domain military branch,
Speaker 3: last month at the National Press Club, and I said,
Speaker 3: what do you want to know? In general Gagnon, I said,
Speaker 3: what do you want people to know about the work
Speaker 3: that you're doing? And you know why people should care?
Speaker 3: And he said, well, the average American interacts with space
Speaker 3: more than two dozen times per day. I said really,
Speaker 3: and he goes, yeah, and they don't even know it.
Speaker 3: And so yes, we're relying on ways and Google Maps
Speaker 3: and Google Earth and satellite imagery that we're using. But
Speaker 3: what would happen if China or Russia took out their
Speaker 3: satellites and all of a sudden we have a situation
Speaker 3: where either our military doesn't have access to that information,
Speaker 3: or that there's a massive space attack that we don't
Speaker 3: even see. And maybe you know, no one up in
Speaker 3: space loses their lives per se, but here on the
Speaker 3: in the geographical domain, because of the cyber attack domain,
Speaker 3: we lose all of our ability on our modern way
Speaker 3: of life. I think about that a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking there, you're talking there about emp's electromagnetic pulses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're thinking about that. You're thinking about how Shi
Speaker 3: Jingping of the Chinese Communist Party and his totalitarian twin,
Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin, they're doing. We always talk about the ships
Speaker 3: out of Alaska or in the Indo Pacific and the
Speaker 3: military exercises, their drills that they're doing. But they're doing
Speaker 3: the same thing with their satellites, their robotic satellites up
Speaker 3: and outer space, and that matters, it really matters, and
Speaker 3: that is a lot of repercussions.
Speaker 2: So the question then becomes, and we've got to get
Speaker 2: to a break here, which I will just leave this.
Speaker 2: Is there an administration, and I'm not talking Democrat Republican.
Speaker 2: Is there an administration that has done or is doing
Speaker 2: a better job anticipating those problems. I don't know. If
Speaker 2: you read the book seventy seven Days in September, it's
Speaker 2: an interesting thing that you know, goes goes off and
Speaker 2: everything is out. This guy has to walk from Texas
Speaker 2: back home to Minnesota. Took him seventy oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: know that. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. I The author is
Speaker 2: Ray and I'm trying to think of his last name.
Speaker 2: I'll get I'll have it on the other side. He's
Speaker 2: been a great guest, but well we'll talk about that
Speaker 2: on the other side. And then I want to talk
Speaker 2: about things that are are not inherently dangerous, some of
Speaker 2: the things that you see coming down the line that
Speaker 2: we're all going to all. Yeah, help, Absolutely, we'll get
Speaker 2: to all of this. If you have any questions, feel free.
Speaker 2: Kevin Sarelli is here six one, seven, two, four ten
Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine, three thirty back on Night's side.
Speaker 2: Right after this, I told Kevin today, I said, we
Speaker 2: get a lot of listeners all around the country, so
Speaker 2: feel free wherever you're listening tonight, give us a call.
Speaker 2: And as they say, never make me somebody who sounds
Speaker 2: silly when I tell a guest we got listeners in
Speaker 2: different places, feel free to join the conversation. As they say,
Speaker 2: often the only dumb questions of the questions that you
Speaker 2: don't have the courage to ask. I know that I
Speaker 2: found that out when I was in law school. Always
Speaker 2: the question I didn't ask in class came up on
Speaker 2: the midterm of the finals. Back in Nightside with my guest,
Speaker 2: Kevin Sorelli, a futurist MTF meet the Future MTF dot
Speaker 2: TV coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'MBZ Boston's News Radio with.
Speaker 2: Me is Kevin Surly. Kevin is what's called a futurist.
Speaker 2: He spends a lot of time thinking about the future
Speaker 2: and what impact it might have on my future and
Speaker 2: on your future, and on his future. The book seventy
Speaker 2: seven Days in September was written by a fellow named
Speaker 2: Ray Gorham. A very interesting book, and it does talk
Speaker 2: about electromagnetic pulses and what can happen. The more we
Speaker 2: rely on technology, the more we become, in some respects
Speaker 2: a slave of it. Friend of mine whose car battery died, uh,
Speaker 2: and he had a tough time figuring out how to
Speaker 2: get out of the car because when the battery died,
Speaker 2: everything shut down in the car. Yeah, yeah, and so
Speaker 2: how And I guess there is a way to get
Speaker 2: out of this particular brand car. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: mention what it is, but there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: who could find themselves in that situation. And so what
Speaker 2: about I mean, you obviously embrace and look forward to
Speaker 2: the future. The troglodytes amongst us, I'm not one of them,
Speaker 2: but what about the troglodytes who were saying whoa whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: whoa whoa. We got to figure out what's going on
Speaker 2: and a little cost benefit analysis before we forge ahead.
Speaker 3: So you know, I just think back to the iPhone
Speaker 3: and I remember when Steve Jobs walked out on the
Speaker 3: stage and said one more saying and comes out, you know,
Speaker 3: introducing the iPhone. That was just in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3: I mean that was just crazy. Well I'm thinking of
Speaker 3: my mom, who God blesser is back in Delco and
Speaker 3: you know she's got hearing aids. Well, Apple's now a
Speaker 3: health company. I mean, think about it, twenty two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven. They do the iPhone and then folks like
Speaker 3: my mom who have hearing aids, they're connected to the iPhone. Well,
Speaker 3: now the AirPods, which are out selling the Apple Watch,
Speaker 3: are hearing aids, and policy President Biden has allowed for
Speaker 3: hearing aids and the cost of it, so it's just
Speaker 3: tweak the policy so you can get them and CBS
Speaker 3: and your local pharmacies and whatnot. But now the AirPod
Speaker 3: is the hearing aid and Apple wants the hearing aid market.
Speaker 3: So my mom just got a new iPhone and I'm
Speaker 3: laying on this plane shortly, I promise, and there's a
Speaker 3: glitch in the new system on the iPhone and it
Speaker 3: couldn't connect with their hearing aids. So for three days
Speaker 3: my mom couldn't hear them. Well, what's her iPhone? And
Speaker 3: so that's meet the future right there is the policy
Speaker 3: and the matters and why that's an issue because of
Speaker 3: the monopoly and the regulatory structure and the updates, and
Speaker 3: as all of our devices become not just that we're
Speaker 3: addicted to them, but are more medically inclined. My lead
Speaker 3: story tonight was about the DNA syentization of how a
Speaker 3: baby was saved and the impacts that'll have because of
Speaker 3: the DNA coding. As this becomes more and more intertwined,
Speaker 3: our devices are more and more intertwined, and it has
Speaker 3: to be in sync not just with one particular company,
Speaker 3: but with our American ideals, because Lord forbid, a bad
Speaker 3: actor have access to what I believe will be bigger
Speaker 3: than the iPhone and the smartphones in general, which is glasses,
Speaker 3: wearable technology on your face. You're seeing Meta get into that,
Speaker 3: and Mark Zuckerberg predicts that in the next ten years,
Speaker 3: the glasses market spectacles where you'll be able to see.
Speaker 3: It'll be like a clipboard in front of your eyes,
Speaker 3: and doctors and teachers and students will you in the
Speaker 3: in your control room as well. You'll be traveling, but
Speaker 3: you'll be seeing the information in your frame and augmented reality.
Speaker 2: So all of that is so let me talk about
Speaker 2: that for a second. Let me understand that. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in a car.
Speaker 4: Somewhere, or I'm driving a car yep, And as an option,
Speaker 4: i can have some written information on my glasses while
Speaker 4: I'm driving a car or I'm flying on an airplane.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, because here's here's what's happening. And you know,
Speaker 3: and this has already being tested because right now, what
Speaker 3: you're doing to see how how fast you're going, You
Speaker 3: glance down, and you glance down to see how fast
Speaker 3: you're going, or you glance down to see where the
Speaker 3: gas tank is. Why should you take your eyes off
Speaker 3: the road. So if you've got the glasses on, you'll
Speaker 3: have a number and you'll see it it And it's
Speaker 3: almost like playing a video game. Like think of playing
Speaker 3: a video game when you're in a race car or
Speaker 3: in a jet and you see in front of you
Speaker 3: target here, it is here, it is that's for all
Speaker 3: this is that is yeah, and it'll be on your face.
Speaker 2: So okay, I get that. But the question is, can
Speaker 2: you be distracted by what is in your your eyeglass
Speaker 2: frame or what it would appear to be in your
Speaker 2: eye glass frame?
Speaker 3: I'm playing, Well, aren't you just double's advocate right back?
Speaker 3: Don't you get distracted by the computer that's in your
Speaker 3: pocket and you're a smartphone? Doesn't that distract us already?
Speaker 2: Well? Sure I had, But I have the ability if
Speaker 2: I want, if I'm a good doobie, I can turn
Speaker 2: my cell phone off, or I can ignore it when
Speaker 2: it rings, or if I want to talk on it,
Speaker 2: I can pull off to the side of the road.
Speaker 2: Now most people don't, I get that, Okay, But what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, once my glass is I'm not going
Speaker 2: to show me the landscape, but they're going to show
Speaker 2: me some some written information.
Speaker 3: Yes, messages, text messages.
Speaker 2: At whatever, whatever. At what point will I reach will
Speaker 2: my brain reach overload?
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's a great point. And to
Speaker 3: be blunt with you, I think that in the long term,
Speaker 3: in the next two decades, there's going to be more
Speaker 3: and more autonomous vehicles and driving will be like eventually
Speaker 3: what we think of with the horse and buggy. But
Speaker 3: let me put the goggles to you this way. Okay,
Speaker 3: when you go into the operating room, your doctor is
Speaker 3: holding a clipboard looking at charts. There's probably a computer monitor,
Speaker 3: and there's nurses and technicians and whatnot. But when I
Speaker 3: saw this demo, I was down in Florida. I'll never
Speaker 3: forget it. The demo set. Put these on and see
Speaker 3: a world where you're looking down and you're getting the
Speaker 3: data of the operating wound in front of them. So
Speaker 3: it's augmented reality over the operating procedure. And eventually you're
Speaker 3: going to look back one day and you're going to say,
Speaker 3: I don't want my doctor ever holding a clipboard ever again.
Speaker 3: I want the technology and his vision and his scalpel
Speaker 3: or her scalple operating, because that is the most up
Speaker 3: to date information and technology to save lives. And when
Speaker 3: I thought of it that way, I thought I get it.
Speaker 3: I had the aha moment that these glasses are really
Speaker 3: the future, and it's why Meta and Rayman are doing partnerships.
Speaker 3: Apple has really put the kebash. This is just breaking
Speaker 3: this week on the Apple Vision pros. Huge dud for them,
Speaker 3: by the way, But now they're thinking, we try to
Speaker 3: get into this. The glasses, I mean, Mark Zuckerberg's biggest
Speaker 3: hit isn't Facebook or Instagram. It's legitimately these glasses that
Speaker 3: he developed as a side project with Rayman, and they're
Speaker 3: selling like hotcakes.
Speaker 2: So what about the idea that all of these big
Speaker 2: companies will decide, Okay, we're not going to engage in
Speaker 2: an anti trust activity per se. But what we're going
Speaker 2: to do is we're going to focus pardon the pun,
Speaker 2: in this area. We'll let Zuckerberg focus in this area.
Speaker 2: Where is there going to be competition? If everybody, yeah,
Speaker 2: is competition going to go away?
Speaker 3: No? No, and competition. The greatest export of America has
Speaker 3: always been its innovation, and that has to be protected.
Speaker 3: It's why China steals it from us. But the competition
Speaker 3: very bit that they're great at cheating. They're great cheaters.
Speaker 3: They are they're great cheaters, and you know, but but
Speaker 3: but but let's double down on this because because the
Speaker 3: fight I think that we in America take sometimes and
Speaker 3: now you know, I think every American is is is
Speaker 3: at least having a perspective on it with the terraff.
Speaker 3: But the battle is okay. So you've got goggles on
Speaker 3: your head and you can be distracted. Who do you
Speaker 3: want programming those goggles? An American company or a Russian
Speaker 3: company or a Chinese company that I think is an
Speaker 3: American because they believe that.
Speaker 2: The question, the question provides the answer. But it's it's
Speaker 2: something to think about if we If we don't do it,
Speaker 2: someone else will.
Speaker 3: That's why the TikTok fight was really just the it
Speaker 3: was Paul Revere to be blunt. It was it was
Speaker 3: you're in New England. I mean you know that it was.
Speaker 2: I covered I covered that ride back that night in
Speaker 2: seventeen seventy five. Yeah, I had a live shot you
Speaker 2: conquered that night. It was cold, only kidding. So so
Speaker 2: when you look at all of this, and but I
Speaker 2: want to roll back before we go to break here
Speaker 2: to the the electromagnetic pulse issue and the conversation about
Speaker 2: what China could do via via satellites, et cetera. I
Speaker 2: assume that we have a scientific structure, we have a
Speaker 2: military structure. We have all of these structures, but at
Speaker 2: some point, the decisions of where the money goes and
Speaker 2: where the emphasis comes comes from who's ever in charge
Speaker 2: as a democracy? And I want you to pick a
Speaker 2: president for me. I'm not looking for that, but I'm saying,
Speaker 2: how important is it that in coming presidential campaigns as
Speaker 2: opposed to talking about the issues that we traditionally talk about,
Speaker 2: which is the federal debt, open closed borders, how many
Speaker 2: warships China has? When will the presidential conversations get to
Speaker 2: what we're talking about tonight next time?
Speaker 3: The question, No, it's not going to be next time.
Speaker 3: This is nice. Thank you for asking this question. When
Speaker 3: I was a kid, you know, mister Justin used to
Speaker 3: teach me and Delco in the seventh grade history class,
Speaker 3: elections are about the future. I don't think we've had
Speaker 3: an election that's been about the future since I was
Speaker 3: a kid. Okay, And it's not a critique on a candidate.
Speaker 3: It's a critique on our system and the legacy media
Speaker 3: institutions that just are not they're not talking about issues
Speaker 3: that are just the future, like they're missing it. And
Speaker 3: the people get it, Like everyone I talk to gets it.
Speaker 3: I mean, my friends, my family, your listeners. They get it.
Speaker 3: They see that their kids are using artificial intelligence every
Speaker 3: day to go to school, and there's a debate happening
Speaker 3: between teachers and students over best practices. We've got to,
Speaker 3: you know, the press has to do a better job.
Speaker 3: So I think we're still a ways away, but we
Speaker 3: got to have our eye on the book. By the way,
Speaker 3: China playing the long game, and they're playing for keeps.
Speaker 3: They're talking about a five hundred year plan. We can't
Speaker 3: be talking about every four year plan forever, no.
Speaker 2: Question about that. They want to be the they want
Speaker 2: to emerge at the end of the twenty first century
Speaker 2: as that runs the world. My guest is Kevin so Early.
Speaker 2: He's a futurist. We're talking about some interesting issues. If
Speaker 2: you'd like to join the conversation, feel free six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I want to get to phone calls, but I also
Speaker 2: have a couple of more questions myself, but I would
Speaker 2: much prefer to hear your questions. We'll be back on
Speaker 2: Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: My guest is Kevin su Early. He's a futurists. Here's
Speaker 2: from website Meet the Future MTF dot tv. Kevin. One
Speaker 2: final quick question from me, and that is this. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a follow up on the last question. As
Speaker 2: you said, the China's playing the long game. We play
Speaker 2: a game that's four years, or arguably every two years
Speaker 2: because you have the off year presidential elections. Americans vote
Speaker 2: in elections primarily with their pocketbooks. So last time it
Speaker 2: was the price of eggs, the price of gasoline, inflation,
Speaker 2: all of that federal debt. Who who is the candidate
Speaker 2: who's going to be brave enough or or small enough
Speaker 2: to take up this set of questions that you and
Speaker 2: I have been talking about for the last forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: You know what, I'll be honest with you, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But you have my word, truly, And by the way,
Speaker 3: thank you for tonight. And this has really been just
Speaker 3: so much fun and I really appreciate it. But but
Speaker 3: but you have my word that once we get cranking
Speaker 3: and you can subscribe to our newsletter and Meet the
Speaker 3: Future on sub sec that's my that's just subscribe and
Speaker 3: we'll just get it five days a week, Sunday to Thursday.
Speaker 3: But once I put my foot on the gas and
Speaker 3: I started interviewing these folks. These are the types of
Speaker 3: questions I'm asking them. The topics that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't care about, you know, did this, do this?
Speaker 4: Or do that?
Speaker 3: I don't care about the horse race. I don't care.
Speaker 3: You know why, because there's no we don't have horse
Speaker 3: and buggies anymore. That's why I don't care about the
Speaker 3: horse race. Even the anecdotes is out is out of place.
Speaker 3: So I care. I care about the future. And that's
Speaker 3: that we got. We got to have more journalists like
Speaker 3: you and like I would argue myself, who are asking
Speaker 3: those types of questions, because then people will catch on.
Speaker 3: The public wants it. They're craving it. They're craving it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so anyway. But I look forward to
Speaker 3: not just to you know, I'm Catholic, and you know,
Speaker 3: don't put your faith in a in a human right
Speaker 3: because you'll be disappointed. But I am looking forward to
Speaker 3: a platform that captures the American spirit of innovation, that
Speaker 3: is forward thinking. And I think we have to we
Speaker 3: have to get there, and we have to innovate. The
Speaker 3: innovation must remain innovation rounded and rooted in our principles.
Speaker 3: As we celebrate the birth of our country two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty years, we can't just be thinking of seventeen
Speaker 3: seventy six. We have to be thinking of where we're
Speaker 3: going to be in the next two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 3: And when I asked that question to Space Force, they
Speaker 3: told me beyond the moon. Beyond the moon. Back in
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, it was to be able to go
Speaker 3: to the moon. We dared to go to the moon.
Speaker 3: Now we laugh when we have a debate about whether
Speaker 3: we should go to the moon or Mars. Well, Space
Speaker 3: Force is thinking we're going beyond the moon. Our democracy
Speaker 3: will be beyond the moon, and we have to start
Speaker 3: thinking like that. How are we setting over that?
Speaker 2: Let help? I want to get one call in for you. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got Margie somewhere in the Catskills. Margie, we're flat
Speaker 2: out of time. Thank you for calling back. We lost
Speaker 2: you there for a moment. You're my guest. Kevin's a
Speaker 2: really quick comment of question. Marg You go right.
Speaker 5: Ahead, very very quick. I feel so sorry for the futurist,
Speaker 5: because you will never ever be surprised. I went to
Speaker 5: the Woodstock Festival in sixty nine, and when I walked
Speaker 5: over that hill and saw four hundred thousand people, that
Speaker 5: would never have happened today. Everyone's on their cell phones.
Speaker 5: You're never gonna see a surprise, Margie.
Speaker 2: And ef P and E f P over America would
Speaker 2: be a hell of a surprise.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Kevin, Margie, come with me to Coachella next year. Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll dance our socks off, all right, Marge. I got hope,
Speaker 3: I got faith. People love to dance. I read about Woodstock,
Speaker 3: but you know we'll put on her dancing. She kids
Speaker 3: love to dance march. Come on. I'm an optimist.
Speaker 2: Thanks Margie, Thanks, thank you, Margie. Thanks Maggie, talk to
Speaker 2: you soon. What was Coachella? I've heard of it, but
Speaker 2: tell us that is That's not the Burning Man Festival?
Speaker 2: Is it out of there?
Speaker 3: And you no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3: Coachella is what all the kids go to. You know,
Speaker 3: I've never been. I drove through it. I had to
Speaker 3: get to the Pat Telvion Race and Arizona.
Speaker 2: I was out in La.
Speaker 3: I was doing a thing in La a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago, and I at usc and I drove with
Speaker 3: like a moron. I should have been in one of
Speaker 3: those robotics because.
Speaker 2: I didn't you know, you didn't follow ways obviously, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well there's only one roads, so there's only one way
Speaker 3: through Arizona, and so it's beautiful. I love Arizona, but
Speaker 3: I love Arizona's gorgeous. But I but Palm Springs. You know,
Speaker 3: they put on Coachella and it's a big music festival.
Speaker 3: You know, the kids, they had, Lady Gaga, you know,
Speaker 3: it's all it's like Woodstock for this generation. And you know,
Speaker 3: so I still think people people like to people like
Speaker 3: to be together and and do those things because it's
Speaker 3: it's you know, human to human well enhances it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think what she was saying was that she
Speaker 2: knew that there was a music festival, but if that
Speaker 2: music festival was today and she was parking her car
Speaker 2: five miles away and walking in to Woodstock, that she
Speaker 2: would have been able to check on her cell phone
Speaker 2: and would have seen pictures and and all of that.
Speaker 2: So I think that is a surprise I think she
Speaker 2: was talking about. But guess what I mean. I don't
Speaker 2: want to see an emp surprise and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden way cap and realize planes aren't flying because the
Speaker 2: more we were relying on on electronics, the more that
Speaker 2: everything can come down in one fell swoop. I would
Speaker 2: again't recommend people read seventy seven Days in September. I
Speaker 2: think Gorm had a follow on book as well, because
Speaker 2: it's real. I mean, you know, when when all of
Speaker 2: a sudden my cable TV goes out, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what am I going to do for my information here?
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, this is this is the sign of
Speaker 3: the times. I don't even have cable Okay, okay, conversation,
Speaker 3: my friend, all right, conversation, that's the that's the next one.
Speaker 2: That's the next one. Kevin. Again, folks can follow you
Speaker 2: on substack, is that correct?
Speaker 3: And yeah, on substack and then my website MTF dot
Speaker 3: tv and you know, and and you know and write man,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm we all got to. What I want
Speaker 3: is for people to feel proactive about tomorrow so that
Speaker 3: they play a part in it. This isn't just you know,
Speaker 3: the forces or the chatbots are going to tell us
Speaker 3: what to do. This isn't nineteen eighty four. It's twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, and we get we have we're in the
Speaker 3: front seat you know, we're in the driver's seat. Even
Speaker 3: if we're not driving the car. We get to orient
Speaker 3: ourselves for what future we want to do.
Speaker 2: We're not driving the car, we're paying for the car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Gotta look at it like that, Kevin. Great, great conversation.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We will talk to you here.
Speaker 2: I promise you. Okay, thanks list same you to thank you,
Speaker 2: Sir Kevin Sarelli a futurist, and I think it's some
Speaker 2: people got us to keep thinking.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton's campaign song was Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow,
Speaker 2: and I think that should be our campaign song. We'll
Speaker 2: come back here on night Side right after eleven o'clock news.
Speaker 2: Stay with us.