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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ leaves Well,

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Speaker 2: Ready for another weekend of action, this time north of

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the border from where we are Quebec in Canada and

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a super middleweight showdown that has some intrigue. We're ready

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to preview Christian Mobili's return against a veteran that expects,

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at least we expect to give him a real challenge

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in Serge de' Revyonchinko. Looking forward to talking about that fight.

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We've got a former two division world champ one on

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one with Dan Rayfield. News and nostalgia. It is the

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Big Fight Weekend preview. I'm merely he's somewhat capable. Host

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TJ Reeves here, he is insider. Dan Rayfield a little

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frazzled right now as we headhim to the weekend. You

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got everything settled. You got schools starting in northern Virginia.

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We're already veterans. We're four days in at the time.

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You and I are doing the podcast in Florida. You

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Virginia people got to keep up. You're starting next week.

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But I got you, you got you got parental duties

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going on you're juggling all of this. We got fights,

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you did an interview with Danny Garcia. We're going, We're good,

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Speaker 3: Podcast is well starting, and and and and the miss

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is is out of town, gonna be an for like

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four days for our work conference. So so, uh, mister

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mom is dealing with all the school stuff, all all

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their ship got to take him to the birthday party Saturday.

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get there and have the wife programmed into the GPS.

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Speaker 2: As we often say, the wives are the m vps

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right now. You'd bet rather be in the runk in

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the ring ten rounds with Canelo than dealing with all

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of this.

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Speaker 1: But there we go.

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Speaker 2: Uh Okay, So lots to get to thank you for

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finding us. We preview going into the weekend twice, the

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ray field twice, the fun. We recap coming off the

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et cetera. Let's get some going here in August. That

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helped the show out, all right, so lots to get

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to and cover. I know you left us on the

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recap podcast saying I am really looking forward to Christian Mobilly,

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hard hitting a fighter fighting out of Canada and D'revonchinko,

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who's been in with some really big names and some

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tremendous fights.

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Speaker 1: Ten round, non title fight.

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Speaker 2: It's the main event of the top rank ESPN card

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coming for Saturday night. Here we go, let's get right

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into it, let's get into the preview mode. I know

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we're excited to talk about this one.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I mean, I know a lot of

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people wanted to declare that the Fight of the Year

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race was over last week after the excellent fight between

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Virgil Ortiz and Saray Bochuk, and that was a great fight,

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and it's a very good candidate and as a leader,

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maybe in the clubhouse among a couple of other top

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notch fights we have seen this year. But I'm not

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closing the book yet. Besides the fact that we're just

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here in early August, mid August, the fact is that

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this fight between Mabilly and Devin Chank, since it was

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made in my mind Anyway, it was circled as like, hey,

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this could be a just a really superb action pack

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kind of fight. And Mobilly is a hard hitter, seems

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to have a good chin, always in great condition, you know,

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on the rise big time. And in terms of Turgeate

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devn Schenko, I mean he's verrely is he in a

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bad fight at all. I mean he's coming off of

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a situation in his well two fights ago. Anyway, he

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did fight in April and a sort of a get

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back fight, and you know, as a Devin Chanko goes

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an easy win over Von Alexander in a shutout. But

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prior to that, in June of last year, he had

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that lazious battle with Haimi Mungia that was picked by

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many people as the fight of the year for twenty

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twenty three, and that certainly wasn't his first time being

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in a tremendous fight. May I remind everybody about the

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fight he gave against Kennedy Glofkin in twenty nineteen for

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the middle whit title, a fight that I was ringside

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for that I scored in favor of Sergei devren Schenko

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that night. And I'm a huge triple g fan and

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that gave that fight to Devin Chanku on a close clone.

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a middleweight world title fight in a split decision loss.

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title fight, and that was a majority decision. The only

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time he's ever really kind of been you know, I

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wouldn't even say outclass, but it was a clear loss

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even though he competed was when he when he fought

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in a WBC midleweight title doubt in twenty twenty, he

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lost a decision to Jamal Charlot. But the other good

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names he's been in with, and that includes Mongi at

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in championship level fights. He either won or was competitive

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in every single one of those fights. Scored some knockdowns.

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I mean, so this is a step up from a billy.

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been coming up on either we've seen on ESPN plus

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because he's been on these eye the Tiger Cars. Who's

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now is coch Voter along with Top Break. But he's

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not really fought He's not fought bad opposition, okay, but

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he's not fought anybody that's in my mind the level

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of toughness and combined with experience of a different check well.

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Speaker 2: But the last fight, we didn't see any of him

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because he landed one body shot like a minute into

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the fight, and the guys down.

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Speaker 1: Hefron is down on all fours and is counted out.

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Speaker 2: So yes, give him credit for the knockout, but we

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barely even got our popcorn to see what the guy

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could do in the last fight.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I'm looking at his record and I'm

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gonna I'm running down some of the guys in reverse order.

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You mentioned the Hefron fight which was in May that

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like was over before it ever even started, the last

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literally forty seconds, and he scored a knockout with the

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body shot. Rowan Murdoch knocked him in the sixth round.

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Decent opponent Demon Nicholson, you know pretty good. Chin actually

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went to distance. Was the first guy that took the

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distance with Edgar Berlanga, right, he stopped him in four rounds.

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a good win. That was a ten round decision. Carlos

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also has a decision win against Vaughan Alexander by a

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similar shutout type of scores. Who you know, Vaughn pretty

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much goes to distance with everybody. You know. He fought

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Najib Hamedi, who was a guy that challenged at one

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point Sergey kobo Lev several years ago for a light

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heavyweight till he stopped him in five. So he's fought

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like those types of like fringy contender slash guys that

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were like okay, you know, but he's not fought anybody

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of the level like I said, the combination of the experience,

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toughness and resume win or lose as devin Chenko. And so,

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long in the tooth. He's been some very harsh battles

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over the years. He's thirty eight years old now, but

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billy home turf. He's a fighter that fights out of

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Canada these days at a Quebec you know, Montreal, andre

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Quebec city, and Devin Chenko is on the road as usual.

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I mean, I just don't see, unless something freakish happens

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or two run fight. I think this is a it's

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only a ten round fight, not a twelve. And these guys,

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you know, I certainly know Devin Chenkos can go twelve

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rounds and it's you know, probably in a sleep hones

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it that it should be a pretty tough ruling fight

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for these guys. I mean, I expected to be good action,

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not not a lot of dancing, A fight that's gonna

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be fun at close quarters, as we talked about many times.

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this kind of fight. You know, they can fight in

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a much smaller ring. They're gonna be right there looking

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for each other. Not a lot of you know, not

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a lot of style points. I don't think are gonna

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be scoring this fight. This is going to be a

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man's man trying to fight stan and let me see

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who can take it and who can give it the best.

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Speaker 1: And the mobility.

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Speaker 2: Again, as you mentioned as a fierce body puncher. What

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is it for fights since last December? This is the

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fourth fight since last December, so let's hear it for activity.

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He's a contender on his way up. And obviously we

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will talk more about this after whatever happens. We suspect

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that Mobilly will win. But he is a guy that

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is potentially I'm saying this a fight or two away

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Speaker 1: Being on the radar for you know who.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Canelo Lavarez keeps going here, that's not unrealistic, right, So.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna he's got a First of all, it is

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going to be his fourth fight in thirteen months. He

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of this year, and now this fight in in August.

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be back in the ring before the end of this year.

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mandatory position is because he's highly ranked in multiple organizations

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and you know, the combination of the activity. If he

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keeps winning and then you beat you know, solid opponents

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like at devron Chenko, it's going to push you up

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the ranking. So he's closing in on a mandatory situation,

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you know. But I think top ranks plans are and

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I the Tiger because it's hard to come by a

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title fight right now in that weight class because of

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the fact that Canelo has three belts and whoever he's fighting,

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he can only fight one guy at a time, gon

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to fight twice a year at the most, and the

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other belt is going to be contested, you know, by

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something that he's not involved with. That that's the fight

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that's going to be your boy, Willilliams Skull in the

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in the in the title fight. So what the what

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the real possibility here is Again, it's not necessarily about

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winning titles, but it's about you know, getting fans excited,

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putting asses in seats, making a good fight, proving yourself

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to a higher degree. And there's a lot of discussion

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that if he is successful, meaning the Billy, and of

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doing the honeymong Gy is next fight in September. That

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there's a very good, strong possibility based on what Top

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it's not out of the realm that they would do

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the next fight against the Billy versus Bungee if he

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defeats Eric Bazinion. And by the way, I'm not sure

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if there's a rematch clause in the fight from ability,

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I'm not sure about that at all. But the reality is,

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let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Devyn

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Takle pulls off the upset. Do you think anybody out

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there would be upset up they did Devon Schenko in

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a rematch against mong Gia. I mean, it's the fight

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of the year to many people. So this is the

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While you're sitting around waiting to get the Canel Olado ticket,

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you got to, you know, give a reason for people

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to tune in and people it'll be interested. And if

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you can make these kind of matchups, belt or no Belt,

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Speaker 2: All right, as you say, I like it. That is

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where Mobili is a decent favorite there.

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Speaker 1: But will it be a knockout?

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et cetera. Another fight that we're also interested in heavyweights,

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and this is Arslan Beck Machmadov and Guido Vianello ten

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round heavyweight battle. All right on paper, this is the

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co feature. This looks intriguing. Are how intrigued are you

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by this one? For Saturday night in Quebec.

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Speaker 3: The heavyweight division is very hot right now. There's a

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lot of activity in the division. And while I don't

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look at these two guys as in that a group,

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they're not on that you know Fury Wild. There are

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Fury Joshua Oo Sick that caliber or even that second

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level like the you know the guys who are on

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the on the rise. Let's say, you know, like are

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the coming back like at Joseph Parker Ngela or you know,

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we saw what Martin mcculey did a couple of weeks ago.

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I mean, it's a good it's a good competitive fight.

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their ups and downs, they both had a loss. Uh,

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they're both good punchers. Uh, they're not guys so again,

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who are gonna be having to run around looking for

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the other guy in the ring? They're they're fighters that

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that that are absolutely you know, the stand and trade

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kind of fighters. So from an entertainment perspective, you know,

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which we always talk about being the first and foremost

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thing in terms of importance. I think, you know, however

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long this lasts, it will be a fun sort of

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punch out.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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about mac Maduf, you know, he is a Russian fighter,

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but he's based in Montreal, in Quebec. This is like

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his home arena, so to speak. Top rank is the cope,

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is the promoter of the NLO. He's the Italian Olympian.

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he was a guy that was a heavy duty puncher,

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like a really powerful puncher, but hadn't really you know,

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been in the ring with lots of good opponents. But

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on the times where he did fight halfway decent guys

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like for example, everybody knows Carlos Kakam at this point,

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former world title challenger but known as a very durable fighter,

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got a bunch of losses. But this was a guy

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that stopped him, uh in the actually I take the

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back he went to distance room. That was the one

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time that macmadub went to distance, was against talking, but

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he still won the fight. The other fighters he fought,

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UH that were known were on a lower level, like

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and like a kind of faded used up. Marius Walk

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for example, stopped him in six rounds. The Michael Wallach

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stopped him, you know, in the first round when he

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fought another guy that seemed like it would be an

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evenly matched TG. You know what I'm gonna say, it

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was your boy, It was my boy. You're a g Cabell.

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came in undefeated, with a ton of hype. I think

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he was the betting favorite. And this is one of

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the fights that took place in Saudi Arabia. This was

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the day of reckoning card reckoning. Yes, last December, Cabiel

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looked absolutely sensational and mowed down Macmaduf in devastating fashion,

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knocked him down three times and stopped him in the

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fourth round. And so at that point a lot of

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people were sort of like, well, you know, this guy

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was quote unquote exposed. He did come back in May,

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he scored a win against you know, a journeyman type

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of opponent, stopped him in the second round, and so

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now they're putting him back in, you know, with a

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similarly a record type, experienced type guy in Vannello. But

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Vnello's at his own issues also. I mean, you know,

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he's got the amateur career as an olympian, He's twelve

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to and one with ten knockouts. He's coming off a loss,

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but kind of a forgivable loss. It was a split

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decision that took place in April against Faa Jagua, another olympian.

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He had that freaky loss to Jonathan Rice that was

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really because of a cut and that cause a doctor

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stop it in the seventh round of a fight that

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so I don't like hold that loss against them so much,

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but it did show some you know chink so to speak,

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in what he could bring to the table in a jagula.

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lost that one. So it's a really important fight for

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both of these heavyweights if they want to get back

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in to even being considered in the mix. Like the

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guy that loses is going to be like opponent status. Basically,

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the guy that wins is going to have some semblance

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of a career back. I mean that sounds unfair, unfortunately,

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sometimes that's the way it rolls in the heavyweight division.

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glory in the heavyweight division. So I think this is

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a good matchup. I mean again, do I I don't

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want to, you know, pontificate and say this is, like,

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you know, the the ultimate heavyweight matchup. But at least

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the promoters have gone and in my viewpoint done two

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things they've made on paper a fight that's somewhat competitive

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in my mind. And two, whatever happens when bell rings,

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it should be interesting to watch and the outcome the

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winner will definitely take a good step forward for sure.

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a card that does not you know, most of the

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top ranked fights usually have at least one world title

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fight on them, but for a card like this, it

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doesn't have the world title fight. Both fights seem to

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be on paper, fights that should produce action and should

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be interesting to watch. And you know, at the end

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of the day, that's what we're here for as entertainment.

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Speaker 2: I understand. And so again heavyweights, as you said, anything

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can happen. One punch can change everything, and we look

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for the drama we look for. Is there gonna be

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some drama in this one again? Danny Garcia interview with

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Dan coming up again. He's on the Canelo undercard fighting

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eras Landy Laura. You'll hear from him in a few minutes.

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Two other fighters to mention that are also part of

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this top ranked card, but they're not on the ESPN broadcast.

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Do I have that correct or earlier in the card

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in Abdullah Mason and Jehi Tuck, tell me Moore please.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean all the top ranked fights that

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are not on the main card, as in this case,

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it's the two top fights we mentioned super middleweight with

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Mobility different Chenko in the heavyweights with mac Madouven vn L.

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Everything else is on ESPN Plus and Top. You know,

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this is mainly a card that is that is made

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up of the eye of the Tiger. Young fighter is

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mostly Canadian. But Abdullah Mason, the lightweight who was fourteen

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and oh is one of the very best prospects in

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the entire sport. I mean, like a bonafid guy that

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could be the prospect of the year when the year

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is over. Fourteen and oh, twelve knockouts, only twenty years old,

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and you know, he is a spectacular talent, and he's

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you know, keeping the chain move and he's in there

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again with a solid opponent Mike Ohan Junior who's nineteen

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and two, who's got a pretty decent level of experience.

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Abdullah Mason, whoever he's fighting, whether it's a top opponent

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or a nobody opponent, at this stage of his career,

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one hundred percent worth keeping an eye on. Really, we're

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going to be talking about him in the future in

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main event type world title fights, I believe, you know,

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in the next few years. And Johy Tucker's another top

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rank prospect in ny Round on this card, maybe not

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as top level as Mason. He's already suffered a loss

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in a draw. Top rank did have high hopes for me.

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He's only twenty one years old, though he's kind of

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been inconsistent showing sometimes where you're like, wow, he looked

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really good and other times like, man, what's going on

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with that? He? You know, he did go through a

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little bit of a rough patch where he lost the

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decision majority to Nicholas Flaws and then had a draw.

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He got back on the wagon and got to win.

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really slip up. If he takes another loss or draw,

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I'd be willing to bet the house the top rank

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issues the old Pink slips. So this is a very

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critical fight for Tucker, who's not at the same level

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of prospect, but if you will, as Mason, but still

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a guy that at least to see what happens down

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the road. Because this is an important important fight for him.

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Ce D can turn the corner. Look, but again, he's

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only twenty one years old, so there's no you know,

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he's in that spot where you can't declare another loss.

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Speaker 2: We joke around, it's like Missouri the show me to

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show me, Yeah, show me if he's gonna hang around

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with top rank, show me something in this opportunity that

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they're obviously giving him. All right, So that is the

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top rank ESPN card for Saturday Night. It is the biggest,

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most prominent card that's going to be taking place for

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this weekend in North America, obviously, so we look forward

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to those fights. We've got some new so nostalgia but

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without further delay. We've got the former junior welterweight multi

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division world champion, former junior welterweight unified champ, former one

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belt welterweight champ as well in Danny Garcia. He's fighting

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Eras Landy Laura. It's on the undercart of the Canelo

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Berlanga pay per view in September. You don't have to

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wait for September. You get him right now here with

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us on the previewpot.

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Speaker 3: I want to welcome into the podcast this week none

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other than Danny Swift Garcia, the two division world champion

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going for a third world title. Danny, You'll be fighting

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Arislandi Laura for his WBA middleweight title. That fight takes

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place in the co feature when Canelo Alvarez takes on

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Edgar Berlanga on the PBC on Prime pay per View

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September fourteenth at the Team Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

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I want to welcome you at you. It's our first

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interview since I've been doing this podcast. I'm very happy

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to have you on. How have you been. It's been

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a while since I've talked to you.

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Speaker 5: I've been great, you know, enjoying my life. I had

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two kids in my last fight.

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Speaker 3: Another top now now we know you need the money.

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I guess you're having more kids, right I know in

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doing what you love, that is true.

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Speaker 5: You know I'm chasing greatness right now, and that's that's

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on I'm fighting.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that because the

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reality is you haven't fought in two years or it

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will be able to be just about two years since

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you get in the ring. It's only been it only

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be your fourth fight, where you've had four fights since

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twenty nineteen, and so I know you say you're chasing

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greatness and you have other things you want to do,

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like you mentioned, But was there a particular reason that

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you decided to take the layoff?

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Speaker 4: Was there?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there was an injury or just

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got a little bored or just couldn't get a fight.

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What was the long layoff for.

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Speaker 5: Over the layout was the fight was supposed to take

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place last year in August, so I was supposed to

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come back right away, but I guess Showtime's hoped doing boxing,

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so I got caught up in that small political change

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and I just waited it out. And that's pretty much

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the reason why any fight it's because the Showtop thing,

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not really because I just didn't want to fight.

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Speaker 4: It was just time and bad timing on that on

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that on that end.

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Speaker 3: So I asked that because there's some people that thought

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when when this fight was announced, ' like boy man,

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I thought Danny Garcia retired, but that's obviously not the case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I never I never retired. I never announced

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my retirement. But I guess people can assume or come

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to their own conclusions or assumptions when you know you

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haven't been acted. But I wasn't active because I didn't

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want to. Just the way the game is now, you

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gotta gets you gotta wait your turn.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the other thing also is you were

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in the news, not so much for this fight being made,

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But if you go back a couple of months ago,

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there was a lot of discussion about Danny Garcia was

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getting involved in promotion. You and your partner created Swift Promotions.

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You put on a card in Atlantic City with the

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plans to do some events in Atlantic City in your

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hometown of Philadelphia, And so when you hear that, you're like, well,

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you know, maybe he's he's staying involved in boxing, but

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maybe getting away from the part where he's the guy

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in the ring and now he's doing the business outside

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00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:31,880
of the ring.

473
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,519
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I always want to.

474
00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 5: Be a promoter, and you know, I just didn't want

475
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,200
to stand around and do nothing. So I'm always a

476
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,319
person liked to chase new goals and new dreams, and

477
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,079
like even during the pandemic when I wasn't fighting, when

478
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,880
I want to the buyer real estate and build real estate.

479
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,599
So I'm always thinking about what can I do when

480
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,000
I'm not in the ring, And I thought about, you know,

481
00:21:58,039 --> 00:21:59,640
giving back, giv it back to a young kid.

482
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,559
Speaker 4: The started the motion and see if I could do

483
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,240
something big.

484
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,559
Speaker 3: And how did that first show go for you?

485
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 5: The first show went good, the second the second show

486
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,559
went great. You know, sold out getting them in Philly

487
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,680
twenty three hundred arena. The venue was about a thousand

488
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,480
people and a thousand people showed up.

489
00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 4: So it was a great turnout. You know.

490
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: I was happy, great atmosphere and people seem to love it.

491
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 4: So I can't wait for the next one.

492
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,799
Speaker 3: All right. Well, so now you'll take a little break

493
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,440
from that aspect of your your career and go involved.

494
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,440
Now be involved in an actual fight where you're that

495
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,920
got you in the boxing ring. And so the part

496
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,799
of this fight that I look at, I see, you know,

497
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,799
Danny Garcia have been super successful as a champion in

498
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:43,599
the junior welterweight division with a lot of big wins,

499
00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:47,440
had success in the welterweight division, won another world title. Uh,

500
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:50,400
you've just had the one fight in the junior middleweight division.

501
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,640
That was your last fight. That's like I said about

502
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,599
two years ago. And I think even Danny Garcia wiul

503
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:57,839
admit maybe not your greatest performance, even though you won

504
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,559
the fight against Jose Benevidez Junior. Uh And now you

505
00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:04,799
step up into the middleweight division to challenge Arislandi Laara

506
00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,079
for his world title. He's a veteran, he's experienced, he's

507
00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:09,079
been a champ at one hundred and fifty four and been,

508
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,839
you know, one of the top guys for quite a while,

509
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,960
and so I just wonder your your perspective on the

510
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,200
move up and weight and taking on this challenge where

511
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,480
you have never really fought above welterweight.

512
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 5: The first fight of market four, you know, I feel

513
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,440
like I will box a mazy for like on my

514
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,519
every ground. So I feel like I dominated that fight.

515
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:32,240
And I feel like the Laura fight, that's the fight

516
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,559
that was the easiest fight me. You know, he he's

517
00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:37,359
with PVC, I'm with PVC. So I felt like it

518
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,799
wasn't no political non political getting away of that fight,

519
00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:43,039
and that's why I really want to fight him. And

520
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:45,720
plus he has a belt and that that's the opportunity

521
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:51,000
for me to be a three division world champion. And yeah, definitely,

522
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,319
so I feel like it's just made sense and not

523
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,599
you can pretty stop that fight.

524
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: Now, do you feel like, you know, because you were

525
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,079
even when you were fighting Danny as a junior welterweights

526
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,720
as terrific as you were being champ and everything, you

527
00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:03,680
were never looked at as a guy that was like

528
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,200
a big junior welterweight. You know, you always fit that

529
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,359
weight class really well. And I think there were some

530
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,880
people that saw your fights at welterweight and say, you know,

531
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,960
Danny Garcia is still really good, but he's not really

532
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,200
that big of a guy at welterweight. Now you're stepping up,

533
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,160
you know, another two divisions from there, and I wonder

534
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,640
in your mind, like, how do you think you fit

535
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,519
in now as one hundred and sixty pounder.

536
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 4: I'm still a.

537
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 5: Great to be honest, I always walked around my weight.

538
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,680
I always walked around instead of the sixty five pounds.

539
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,000
So I feel like at my age, you know my age,

540
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,440
I'm thirty six now, I feel like it's very impoorant

541
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,039
for me to fight it a weight that I'm comfortable

542
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:39,839
with and not really killing myself.

543
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 4: You know, when you're in your twenties, you could kill

544
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,400
yourself to be weight.

545
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 5: Rehydrate ten pounds and feel really strong, but it's a

546
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,599
lot different now. So I feel like I got to

547
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,799
be morphrategic when it comes to my fights and everything

548
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,720
just has to make sense, and I feel like this

549
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,240
is going to help me for the better now.

550
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: I think that when you mentioned that this was a

551
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,440
fight that's sort of been in the in the in

552
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,880
the works for while I know showtime was there was

553
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,720
talks about it being last summer. As you mentioned, it

554
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,000
didn't happen for obvious reasons. Now it's taking place. There was.

555
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,680
There would be some that will look at this and say,

556
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,319
you know, Garcia Lara, two excellent names, guys who have

557
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,759
been a credit and fought a lot of big fights.

558
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480
But and I have to be honest, I kind of

559
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,519
fall into this category. While I'm not unhappy to see

560
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,160
Danny Swift Garcia back in the ring, I do question

561
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,160
the merit of you challenging for a middleweight title, having

562
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,079
never fought in the way class, having come off a

563
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,960
very long layoff, and haven't had that fight with Benevitez

564
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
at one fifty four in your last fight. So tell

565
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960
me and tell the listeners what makes you say that

566
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,759
it should be Danny Swift Garcia now that deserves the

567
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:40,640
opportunity to challenge for a middleway title.

568
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:42,839
Speaker 4: You know, at the end of the.

569
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: Day, if you look at the last twelve years of

570
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:49,119
box and got fall for both title twenty twelve and

571
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,920
I'll fall now.

572
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: But the best fighters my whole entire career, you.

573
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 5: Know, So when it comes to I know a lot

574
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,640
of people saying, how do you get that opportunity?

575
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,319
Speaker 4: How do you skip the line?

576
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,279
Speaker 5: But I'll put in a lot of work, you know,

577
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,960
And I've seen a lot of other fighters get opportunities,

578
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,960
you know, their first time we went up a weight,

579
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:10,519
like Terrorist Crawford, he just fought for a WBA title.

580
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,759
He never caught that one with before. So I feel

581
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,200
like it makes no difference to me. You know, when

582
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,759
you're chasing greatness and you want to be great, you know,

583
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,400
I want to do what Colvid did. I want to

584
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200
do when Duran did. I want to start at the

585
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,400
smarter weight class. They go all the way up and

586
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,400
win titles in the heavy weight class. So to me,

587
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,200
this's just a chance to being the This is is

588
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,279
for my legacy, and I feel like when his legacy fights,

589
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,920
you know, you can't be bad at it.

590
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: In terms of Laura. He's forty one years old, as

591
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,480
I mentioned, been a guy that's had an excellent career,

592
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,400
been a real serious world champion at one hundred and

593
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,839
fifty four pounds, was a top amateur just like you were.

594
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,720
But he's he's fought infrequently, and I wonder when you

595
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:54,160
look at him and you see yourself matching up with him,

596
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,920
where do you view him at in his career? He

597
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,759
has not yet faced, in my opinion anyway of all

598
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,599
of his middleway fights, certainly a big name or a

599
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,359
or a top top guy. Uh, surely nobody with a

600
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,799
name like Danny Garcia, you know, whatever way class you're

601
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,079
fighting in. So how do you view Laura at this

602
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,759
point in his career as you go into this fight?

603
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I still view Laura.

604
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: You know, he's a great CHAMPI and he's been knocked

605
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,079
I know he has at fault into big names at

606
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,440
one sixty, but he's still been knocking guys out even at.

607
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,519
Speaker 4: Forty years old, so he's definitely still a threat.

608
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,079
Speaker 5: You know, I'm looking at Laura like Laura, you know,

609
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,240
so I'm taking them serious. You know, I'm training hard

610
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,079
and I expect the best lar that, Like I know,

611
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,160
he's expected the best, Danny Garcia, so I'm gonna come

612
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,640
in there and.

613
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: Ready in big history, Danny, you have had a ton

614
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,680
of high profile TV fights, main event fights against a

615
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,160
lot of good names, a lot of big wins. I

616
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,720
wonder when you think back on your career, I know

617
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:52,240
it's not over yet, but is there one of your

618
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,400
of all those fights you have, I think of Matisse, Uh,

619
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,960
that spectacular knockout against Eric Morales in your rematch, a

620
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,240
big win against Lama Peterson, the great knockout against American

621
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,640
in your unification fight. You got so many top fights.

622
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,680
When you think back, what's your favorite fight of yours

623
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,440
that you've had in why?

624
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 5: My favorite fight? Number one plan? I have to be

625
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,279
Americ Khan because no one thought I was I was

626
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,839
an eighth to one underdog. You know, I just beat

627
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Morale as they say he was old, and then I

628
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,480
just jumped up in front of my title. I gainst

629
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,799
a superstar and Americ Khan one of the most talented

630
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,839
boxers and Olympic silver medolists at seventeen years old. I

631
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:35,079
feel like Americ Khan was one of my greatest victories.

632
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,799
And then, uh, even the Matissa fight because I was

633
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,960
I was already I already made five defenses and then

634
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:43,240
I was still the underdog.

635
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,839
Speaker 4: So I felt like I proved myself a.

636
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: Lot, you know, even even the Thermo fight. To me,

637
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,079
it's a great fight, even though it was a close fight.

638
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,119
You know, some people that I want, some people thought

639
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,799
I lost. It depends fight, you know, like I thought,

640
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:01,759
I help, But that was only my second ef. That

641
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,759
was asking my first defense. I'm sorry, that was my

642
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,960
first defense. And I try to unify the division. So

643
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,799
that's that's an historic question me too, cause I showed that,

644
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,400
you know, I was trying to be great and unified

645
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,480
two divisions.

646
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:13,519
Speaker 4: Back to back.

647
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:15,759
Speaker 3: So with this fight with Laara, are you back in

648
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,720
boxing for the long haul? Are we gonna have to

649
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,880
go another two years? Uh to see you fight again

650
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,279
after this?

651
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,119
Speaker 5: That's a good question. Right now, I'm just taking it

652
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
one fight at a time. I'm taking one fight at

653
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,160
a time. You know, you can't fight forever, and so

654
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:33,160
he to win this world.

655
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna wrap up with this. I'll just take

656
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,279
a point of privilege here and I'll say, Danny, I've

657
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,880
been covering boxing almost twenty five years, and I was

658
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,160
looking up your record. Before we got on the interview,

659
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,799
when I was getting ready for some of these questions,

660
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,519
I was looking back at your at your roster of fights.

661
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,279
Do you know that I've I think when I I'm

662
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,519
gonna be at this fight card between Canelo and Berlin

663
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,640
and your fight with Laura, I believe this is gonna

664
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,119
be my twenty fifth Danny guar see a fight at ringside.

665
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,519
I think you're of all the fighters I've ever covered,

666
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,880
that might be number one or number two of everybody

667
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,119
I've ever covered. I want to know because I was

668
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,440
there when you won the title against uh against Morales,

669
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:14,960
against Morales, I was there when you won against Maatista.

670
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,279
I was at your professional debut. I want to know

671
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,160
being at that many Danny Garcia fights so I get

672
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:27,440
a prize. Oh, let me know what you need, all right,

673
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:28,440
Just joke, just joking.

674
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,759
Speaker 4: I remember do you remember the art of Me? After

675
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:33,240
I got off the scale and I ate the cheesecake?

676
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:33,960
Do you remember that?

677
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,559
Speaker 3: Which fight was that? I kind of do vaguely remember

678
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:37,680
that it was.

679
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,759
Speaker 5: Uh, well, Steve Forbes, it was after the Wayne and

680
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,400
you were saying at the table and the first thing

681
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,400
I ate with the cheesecake. You finally remember you was like,

682
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,440
why the cheese Kate?

683
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,039
Speaker 3: I guess I don't remember that. Tell me now, you

684
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:52,680
tell me the story, because I usually am the guy

685
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,640
telling the other fighter of the story of what I remember.

686
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:57,039
Speaker 5: I remember I got off the scale and the first

687
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,480
thing I ate with the cheese cake? Do you say

688
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,160
it right next to me? And you said you're he

689
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,799
never got their wind and you say you're gonna write

690
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:03,119
an article on it. I don't know you ever wrote

691
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,640
the article, but I remember that that was a pretty

692
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,319
funny moment.

693
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: I gotta go back and check that out. I do,

694
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,200
I do remember. I do remember the pro debut at

695
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,799
the Borgata on a on an HBO under card. You

696
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,440
weren't on television, but you were off TV. But the

697
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,319
thing about it was, you know, you had a lot

698
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,559
of hype from the amateurs and and at the time

699
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,920
your manager was Shelley Finkel, and Shelley was telling me,

700
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,359
you got to watch my kid, Danny Garcia's turn and pro.

701
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,599
Make sure you get there early. I got there early,

702
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,720
like I always do. When I saw you you score

703
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:34,680
your first win against Mike Denby, if I recall correctly, Yeah,

704
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:41,960
that's a long time ago. Well, so I can't either,

705
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
but I'm going to remember, I think what happens on

706
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,920
September fourteenth. I'm looking forward to seeing you fight, looking

707
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,319
forward to seeing Canelo, and I wish you good luck

708
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:50,079
in the match. Danny.

709
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,839
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thank you.

710
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,119
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to joke around with you a little bit.

711
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,000
You've now interviewed him. Are you warming up to this

712
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,519
one a little bit? You said you got to get

713
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,839
warmed up to be interesting, and you warm it up

714
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,319
a little bit, Big Dan on this one.

715
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I've always enjoyed watching Danny fight. I

716
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:08,920
joke around with him. I mean, I've covered as many

717
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Danny Garcia fights in person as literally any other fighter

718
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,880
in my entire career. He was the perfect storm of

719
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,400
a fighter in the sense that he was a golden

720
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
boy prospect, so he fought in all the big shows,

721
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,799
and then he fought a ton of his fights on

722
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,200
the East Coast, which is where I live, and then

723
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,279
he headlined his own major shows. He fought a lot

724
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,000
in New York, and he fought a lot of big

725
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,039
fights in main event fights. So it was the perfect

726
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:29,759
storm of being able to be in front of him

727
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,319
at these fights. Tons of times. I think I have

728
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,880
to go back and do like the official count, but

729
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,759
I want to say I've been ringside for twenty six

730
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,440
or twenty seven of Danny Garcia's professional fights. I mean,

731
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,319
it's crazy as the South, and this will be another

732
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,559
one because I am going to be traveling for the

733
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,720
Canelo Berlanga event. So I mean, I was at Danny's

734
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,319
professional debut. I was there when he won the title

735
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,359
for the first time against Eric Morales, I was there

736
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,720
for the rematch. I was there, you know, for you know,

737
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,079
all of his major fights, the Sean Porter fight and

738
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,839
the Keith Thurman fight. And just so, I've known Danny

739
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,599
and his dad for my entire time that they've been

740
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:06,440
around professional boxing. So I like Danny. The fathers are crazy,

741
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,799
but I like the dad also, and so anytime I

742
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,519
get a chance to talk to Danny, it's always good.

743
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,519
I enjoy it. It's not that i'm and I've made

744
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,000
this point, it's it's a little nuanced. Sometimes boxing fans

745
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:19,319
have a tough time dealing with nuance. It's not that

746
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,039
I hate the matchup. It's not that I don't think

747
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,640
Danny Garcia and Aristoni Laura can't fight each other, and

748
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440
it's not like at least maybe like a halfway decent fight.

749
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,319
My thing. And you heard in the interview Danny and

750
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,359
I talked about he made his case about why a

751
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:34,920
lot of people are upset because Danny's sort of cutting

752
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,359
the line a fight for a middleweight title when he

753
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,359
has only had one fight above one hundred and forty

754
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,400
seven pounds, So he didn't look particularly great in that

755
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,400
fight against Jose Benevitez Junior in a majority decision victory.

756
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,319
And he's only had you know what four fights or

757
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,319
something like that, and like four years, five years, it

758
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,920
has been very very inactive. This is only going to be,

759
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,079
you know, his first fight since that fight that he

760
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,920
had against Benavide's which was back in July of twenty

761
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,240
twenty two, so it's been it'll be a two years

762
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,359
plus since he had a fight. So that's the reason

763
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,199
for the irritation. Let's say, in terms of the title

764
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:12,760
as a matchup, that's fine. They both got good names

765
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,400
and Danny always gives a great effort. You know, he

766
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,119
wants to enhance his legacy, which obviously he can do

767
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,320
if he wins a middleway title. My irritation for the

768
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,159
fight is probably more related to Larer than it is

769
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:25,599
to Garcia.

770
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: Put it to you like that, and the fact that

771
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,239
you're sticking in on a pay per view. And as

772
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,679
you mentioned before and you said it again here, Garcia

773
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,280
hasn't really established himself as a middleweight, but he's getting

774
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,719
a middleweight.

775
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,519
Speaker 3: It's not even so much about it being on the

776
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,280
pay per view, it's they make it the co feature.

777
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,159
Speaker 1: And the other thing. Garcia has been open about this.

778
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: He's battled mental health issues as well, and that's been

779
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,599
part of why he has not been in the ring,

780
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,000
and he has openly said that part of it. That

781
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:50,800
was part of the inactivity too, that.

782
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: Was really not mostly an activity. Part of it was

783
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,039
because they were trying to get this fight going in

784
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,440
twenty twenty three, and for a variety of different reasons

785
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,679
that did it happen. So it's sort of PBC's always

786
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,519
got list of like a handful of fights that are

787
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:02,920
sort on the drawing board that they want to do,

788
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,199
and it's all about fighting the slot forum the spot

789
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,280
they try to do this fight on Showtime Before Showtime

790
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,280
ended its involvement in the end of twenty twenty three,

791
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,000
it just didn't work out for a variety of reasons.

792
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,760
And as Danny Jokio in the time off he's had

793
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,599
the two years he's had, him and his wife have

794
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,800
had two kids, so he's been busy.

795
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:21,679
Speaker 1: No doubt.

796
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,079
Speaker 2: Okay, So good stuff there and again that is coming

797
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:29,760
obviously September fourteenth, but a good preview there with Danny

798
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,599
Garcia to fight eras Landy Laurel.

799
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Let's get to some news.

800
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Can I tell you on the front end that I

801
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,599
was intrigued when I saw the blurb about tim Zo

802
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,480
fighting for a title fighting in the United States, and

803
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,239
I kept reading and then suddenly fighting in Florida and

804
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,800
fighting near West Central Florida where I am, because this

805
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,639
is a guy that I've been watching from a distance

806
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:56,000
in Australia, you know, obviously continents away. And now it

807
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,559
looks like you tell me more that in October I

808
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:03,599
be f junior middleweight title fight with Bachrum maturz al

809
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,599
Iev Uh and Tim Zuo will be happening.

810
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: What what else have you heard here? As Wednesday has

811
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:11,000
become Thursday.

812
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: No, this isn't this final week. This is a so

813
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,280
if you back up for a quick minute, people recall

814
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,039
that in March him lost the WBO title and a

815
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:25,440
chance for the vacant WBC title in the Bloodbath with Fendora.

816
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,480
He got the cut on the scalp and you know,

817
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:29,880
he you know, he was dominating until the cut happened,

818
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,440
and then you know, he ended up losing a super

819
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,920
close decision, uh a big you know, and that was

820
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,639
sort of an upset. So he's going to go back,

821
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:37,679
and they were making plans from the he was gonna

822
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,599
fight exclusively in the United States, but once he took

823
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,039
the loss, they were gonna do like a comeback fight

824
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,000
in Australia. They were trying to line him up for

825
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,440
an IBF eliminator where he was highly ranked, to do

826
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,119
the fight with Ericson Lubin in September. Lubin was ruled

827
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,519
out because of a hand injury. He wouldn't be ready

828
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,320
within the time frame that they were planning the fight.

829
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,199
So his promoter, No Limit Boxing, and Tim also works

830
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,480
with PBC, but No Limits to promoter certainly they do

831
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,679
was events in Australia. They were looking for another opponent.

832
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,440
At that time. You have Bakram Ortazliev, who won the

833
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:10,239
vacant title when Charlow didn't show for the purse bit

834
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,199
and vacated, and he ended up fighting in April against

835
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Jack Coulka and winning the vacant title and by the way,

836
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,039
a very good fight. I watched it on YouTube after

837
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,000
it happened, and just a couple of weeks ago popped

838
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,880
up on like one of my regional sports channels, so

839
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,360
it's definitely worth to find it for those who never

840
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,679
saw it. It's a very entertaining fight, a very good

841
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:33,199
performance from Bachram winning the belt. Anyway, so the elimination

842
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,920
fight that Zee was supposed to do. Oh so then

843
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,679
Zee was supposed to ask people know was going to

844
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,559
fight on August third on the Terrence Crawford Magimov card.

845
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:44,159
He was set to fight Virgil Ortiz, but the doctor

846
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,440
ruled him out of the fight because the scalp cut

847
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,000
had not healed enough from to go into the full training.

848
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,239
So he was out of that fight because.

849
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: He literally had to have plastic surgery and the warning

850
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,679
was this has not been enough time for you to train, etc.

851
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,079
Speaker 1: And maybe it could open up again.

852
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,079
Speaker 3: Gotta be careful, right, So with him out, they the

853
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,639
folks involved with that show offered Virgil Artis with Boatschuk

854
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,960
as a replacement. The Saudi's were like, no, thank you,

855
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:11,719
So they ended up doing the boat Chuk fight against

856
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,840
Arties on the Golden Boys show that was last week.

857
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,679
And meanwhile, Tim Zou is not getting that Lubin fight

858
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,199
because it wasn't it was gonna be ready. So while

859
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,440
that was all going on, the IBF operates a little

860
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,079
bit differently than some of the other sanctioning bodies. They

861
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,760
have a time frame in which they call a mandatory fight,

862
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,599
but if the time frame expires before the eliminator has

863
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:35,360
been fought, they just go to the next available guy

864
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,360
in the rankings and give him the title fight. So

865
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,079
that's what happened with Zoo. He was gonna do the

866
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,199
eliminator in September, but once that that opponent was no

867
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,039
longer able to get that deal done and he was

868
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,960
out the time on the Baker mandatory came to the

869
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,599
point where I guess he was up and they said, okay, fine,

870
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,639
you're gonna be ordered to fight the next avaiable guy,

871
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:55,840
which was Tim Zu. So they ordered that fight back

872
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,320
about I don't know, literally like ten days ago, a

873
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,760
week ago in early August, and they said, if you

874
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,199
don't have a deal by September fifteenth, I want to

875
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,239
say it was or September twenty something like that, that

876
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,039
they would then have a purspit. But he didn't need

877
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:12,440
that because PBC, which has worked with Main Events, which

878
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,159
is the promo for Bakram, and had Bachram on a

879
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,559
bunch of undercards when he was taking step aside to

880
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,119
not do the Charlot fight. They were able to make

881
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,039
a deal with PBC no limit in main Events to

882
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,800
do the fight in America on October nineteenth at the

883
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,480
carib Royale Resort in Orlando, Florida, which, if you follow

884
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,440
boxing these days, has become kind of a hot deed.

885
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:32,960
They've done a bunch of different shows down there. You know,

886
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,639
Mattrium has done cards there. Jake Paul's fought there, They've

887
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,960
done some of the DI Zone, MVP Prospect cards.

888
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: They fought there for top rank even a couple of

889
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:41,840
years ago.

890
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, not not Berlanga for top rank. That

891
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,239
was the Matrum card. Oh okay, that was Mattrium. So anyway,

892
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,880
but the point is that's a boxing hot deed kind

893
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,000
of plays these days, and they were able to make

894
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,320
that deal very quickly. So they informed the IBF to

895
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,000
cancel the Purspit because they have a deal and the

896
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,880
fight will be October nineteenth. Now, the good news is

897
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,440
this will now be of you know, we have talked

898
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,719
about numerous times about the prospect of non pay per

899
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480
view PBC fights. We talked about them trying to do

900
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,760
this August event with Caleb Plant where there was an

901
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,320
injury to the opponent, so that got called off and

902
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,320
they put that on the Canelo pay per view instead.

903
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,960
So now we get into the month of October and

904
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,679
this will be unless something. I don't think anything's changing.

905
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:24,440
There's not going to be a fight before this for PBC.

906
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,079
This will be the first non pay per view fight

907
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,559
on prime video. Uh Tim Zoo against Schemer Tazi, keep.

908
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,519
Speaker 2: Pushing it from August. Now it's October, so that's.

909
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,639
Speaker 3: The But it's a good listen. I know a lot

910
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,800
of people never saw Bakram. They don't know anything about

911
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,280
him to the you know, he's just a glossy record.

912
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,719
They know nothing else. Trust me when I tell you,

913
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,800
as somebody that has watched backroom fight on more than

914
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,880
one occasion, he's a solid, sturdy guy with pretty good power.

915
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,119
Not the kind of speed that Tim Zoo has But

916
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,239
to me, this will be uh an entertaining, kind of

917
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,599
hard hitting kind of fight. I think it be a good,

918
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,679
solid matchup and a worthy a worthy fight for for

919
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,320
a prime video.

920
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: And it's a belt, and it's a belt in a

921
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,599
division that has Terrence Crawford, who we're going to talk

922
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:10,800
about in a second. The interesting thing here is we

923
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,239
got the Australian Zoo, we got Bachrum, and we got Orlando, Florida, Babe,

924
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,039
I might as well.

925
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:18,199
Speaker 1: It's like, go have to fight it out.

926
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,559
Speaker 3: You got you. You're slapping knee, but I'm slapping you back.

927
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,039
Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, and I'm gonna go. I'm

928
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:22,960
gonna go try to cover this.

929
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: But I'm saying maybe they should fight it at Epcot

930
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,599
at Disney for the international flavor of Australian versus Bachrum here.

931
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued by this, all right.

932
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: So that morphs into the next bit of news, which

933
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,079
is not a surprise that Terrence Crawford says I'm not

934
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,599
coming back to Welter Wade. He vacates the WBO title,

935
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,360
So that's not unexpected. And that also means here that

936
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,400
whoever wins this in October just like Virgil Ortiz could

937
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,840
tell me more, be on the radar for Crawford down

938
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,880
Row Well.

939
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: When Crawford fought Magamov for the title the w the

940
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,199
WBA title at one fifty four, it also was for

941
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,320
the interim title at one four of the WBO. Their

942
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,519
reasoning or whatever you want to make of it, was

943
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,400
because Fandora was going to be sidelined because of the

944
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,320
injuries suffered against him Zoo. They both got injured, and

945
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,840
that Fandora was suspended by the Nevada Commission until sometime

946
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,239
in November, but with a decent likelihood that they won't

947
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,119
even fight again until sometime early in twenty twenty five.

948
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,599
So they made that available. And so when when they

949
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,199
sanctioned that fight for the wo interim title the WBO,

950
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,960
like any organization does, they lay out certain parameters of

951
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,440
what's going to occur where, you know, depending on the outcome.

952
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,320
And so if Crawford was the winner, he would have

953
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,760
to have I think it was ten days, maybe it

954
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,119
was two weeks to let the organization know what his

955
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,440
intentions were. Am I going to retain the title at

956
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,480
one fifty four? Am I going to come back and

957
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,000
opt to defend the title at one forty seven. To

958
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:48,639
nobody's surprise, Karence Crawford said, I'm fighting at one fifty

959
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,639
four and he informed the WBO of that decision. So

960
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,800
in a corollary move, when he vacated and it was

961
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,400
determined that he's going to remain at one fifty four,

962
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,840
they the WBO elevated Brian Orman Junior, the undefeated top

963
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,199
rank fighter who had won the interim title back a

964
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:08,920
couple of months ago, where everybody sort of figured, when

965
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,119
the winner of that fight has the interim belt in

966
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,199
the not too distant future, they're going to be elevated. Beau.

967
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,559
Everybody knew that Crawford was fighting Magma up and the

968
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:19,280
perception was and it turned out to be accurate that

969
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,280
whatever happened in that fight, Crawford was never seen one

970
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,000
hundred and forty seven pounds again, that is exactly what happened.

971
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:28,599
So you have Brian Norman. He gets the belt. Unfortunately,

972
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:30,199
and this is one thing that you know that drives

973
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,199
me crazy. People want to call him the email champion

974
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,480
whatever you want to say that you don't get declared

975
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,639
the champ in the ring like a normal fight where

976
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,360
you win against a guy by a knockout or decision,

977
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,599
they raise her in and say the new champ. They

978
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,760
say the new interim champ. But then you know, a

979
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,719
month later he gets elevated to the full world champion.

980
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,480
So now Brian Norman has the full title. And I

981
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,199
talked to his manager, Joline Mazzone, a very experienced boxing person.

982
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,719
She told me that they've been in a conversation with

983
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Top Rank and that he's going to make his first

984
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,880
defense sometime in November. There had been conversation believing that

985
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,159
this exact situation was going to unfold, that it would

986
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,039
become the full title about possibly Norman making his first

987
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,079
defense against tia Fimo Lopez, who was discussing moving off

988
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,920
from junior welterweight to welterweight. But Tiafimo later informed his

989
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,679
people and Top Ranked that he is unfortunately not going

990
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,280
to fight for the rest of this year, so they

991
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,119
will look around and find a fight for Brian Norman

992
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,679
to make a defense against, and you know, and try

993
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,480
to get him busy and make a name for himself

994
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,840
in a welterweight division that is now basically completed its

995
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,639
transition because Spence is not coming back to that weight

996
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,360
class whenever, if he ever fights again, Crawford has now

997
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,360
made it very clear he's not fighting at welterweight anymore.

998
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,079
The other big names of the times, you know, Danny

999
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,519
Garcia is now fighting in the middleweight division. They got

1000
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,760
Sean Porter retired, Calbrook retired, Amer Con retired, Keith Thurman

1001
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,960
unfortunately sidelined with terrible injury that's going to keep him

1002
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,280
out and he was going to fight at one fifty

1003
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,760
four in his last fight anyway. So that era of

1004
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,239
a lot of top notch welterweights that really ruled the

1005
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,719
roost of boxing for quite a number of years. That

1006
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,039
year is now over and now it's a whole new

1007
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,519
group of guys. He got Mario Barrios with the WBC beilt,

1008
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:06,599
he got Jaron Ennis with the IBF title. Now Brian

1009
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,039
has this title with WBO. Amanta Stanionis is the WBA champion.

1010
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:16,280
Now Crawford still technically has the supertitle of the WBA.

1011
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,599
At some point in the not too distant future that

1012
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,239
will also end up being vacated. I am sure there's

1013
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,239
been conversation. Eddie Hearn has been out doing YouTube interviews

1014
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,519
saying that they have made a very handsome offer to

1015
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,880
get Mario Barrios to fight Jaron Ennis in his next

1016
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,960
fight to unify the titles, which will which would be

1017
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,880
an interesting fight obviously for a lot of different reasons.

1018
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,280
We'll see if they take them up on that and

1019
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,920
what the details of that were. But the point here

1020
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,000
is that that move that Crawford made not unexpected, but

1021
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,119
it creates a little bit of a domino effect within

1022
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,199
the division and also sets up a lot of shit

1023
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,599
that will go on at one point fifty four or

1024
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,159
whoever he's gonna fight, whether it will be perhaps against

1025
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,840
Virtual Ortiz, which seems to be the odds on favorite

1026
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,719
because he's not fighting Canelo. Based on Canelo's comments to Turkey,

1027
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Kurky has sort of disavowed Tim Zoo, I mean a

1028
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000
lot up said because he said he didn't want to

1029
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:05,039
not fight for this title, he didn't want to wait

1030
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:08,280
around for Crawford's next move in February. So Turkey didn't

1031
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,280
like that apparently, which is certainly his prerogative. So they're

1032
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,599
they're looking at Virgil Ortiz. But the main thing is

1033
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,159
one p fifty four is a deep weight class and

1034
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:18,920
one forty seven is trying to go through its transition process.

1035
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 2: And Jeron Ennis obviously has great opportunity here against some

1036
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,519
other guys to collect some belts. We'll see, we'll see

1037
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:28,079
what happens there. All Right, a couple of other items,

1038
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,480
then we'll get to our nostalgia here before we're done.

1039
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:34,320
You mentioned Chako Latito and Nonito donn Air could be

1040
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,480
possible future Hall of famers, maybe fighting each other. You

1041
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,960
mentioned that the last time we were chatting that now

1042
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:41,079
is apparently not going to.

1043
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: Happen, right, That apparently is not gonna happen. So that

1044
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,280
that was something that was reported by my good buddy

1045
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Lance Pugmeyer from Boxing Scene, who spoke to He was

1046
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,519
at the fight in Las Vegas when Virgil Artis and

1047
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,639
Boachuk fought last weekend, and he talked to Nonino Donair,

1048
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,280
who lives in Vegas in the tens a lot of

1049
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,639
the fights, and said to him, and he quoted him,

1050
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:05,760
that they were having conversations about trying to make that

1051
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,239
fight for later this year. And I've said this before,

1052
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,440
having nothing to do with that story that Lance wrote.

1053
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,199
I've written this in my columns like my old man

1054
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,960
fight dreams were Donair against Chocolatito two future Hall of Famers.

1055
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,280
Both guys are in the twilight of their career. They're

1056
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,480
only a few years apart in age. They're both four

1057
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,960
division champions. They both have been involved in very significant

1058
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,039
fights in the smaller weight divisions. Chocolatito, like I said,

1059
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,480
four division champion, former pound for pounking, don't Air, four

1060
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,840
division champion, been in a fight of the year, you know,

1061
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:36,960
scored the knock out of the year, been a fighter

1062
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,320
of the year. I mean, these guys are just covered

1063
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,159
in the glory. They're both going to be in the

1064
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:43,280
Hall of Fame. And since they're both near the end

1065
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,880
and still want to fight, what better way than to

1066
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,039
see them against each other in the same weight class,

1067
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:53,400
because Donair has been fighting at bantamweight and Chocolatito when

1068
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,360
he got his return fight after some time out of

1069
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,000
the ring, he came back in June and he was

1070
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,039
fighting as a bandon weight. He scored a nice knockout

1071
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,119
and looked good against Robert Barrera, and so they started.

1072
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,840
Apparently there was some conversation, but in the end, after

1073
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,719
those comments came out from Donair, the next day or

1074
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,199
two days later on social media, it was Gonzales posting

1075
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:17,599
that they're not going to do the fight, and the

1076
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,719
quote was something like on behalf of team Chocolatito, we

1077
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,159
want to inform our fans that we have and this

1078
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:26,320
was all on capitals no interest at all in fighting

1079
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,280
Donito donaire, nor are we in talks with his team,

1080
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,079
and he made the point that he's got no title

1081
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,960
and he didn't feel like that he had anything that

1082
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:35,840
interested him, so we wish him. Then he kind of

1083
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,039
stuck like the knife and little he says therefore he

1084
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,599
wished him luck in retirement. But obviously dona Air has

1085
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:44,360
made the point he's not retiring, so Chat still wants

1086
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,239
to fight for a title.

1087
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,599
Speaker 1: They all caps for a bottle.

1088
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,039
Speaker 3: I got it, So Chuck Tito wants to fight for

1089
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:50,960
a belt so he can possibly get a fight for

1090
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,840
one of the Bandon White titles. He might be able

1091
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,719
to land the shot at one of the Banda White titles.

1092
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,400
He's already been a champ at Junior Banda White. I

1093
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,840
know he'd liked to make some history by getting it

1094
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,920
on a fifth way class. So it was crushing to

1095
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,840
my old man. Fight dreams is the point, because I

1096
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,960
love both of those. I love Gonzalez and I love

1097
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:09,679
don Air. I would have loved the fight, but it

1098
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:10,199
ain't happening.

1099
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: That one is not gonna happen, all right, real quick?

1100
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,440
Nick Ball does have an opponent. Queensberry has announced that opponent.

1101
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,320
After Ball got the win on what the five versus

1102
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,760
five card to become the WBA Featherweight champion.

1103
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: What's up here and win?

1104
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you mentioned, he won on the five on five.

1105
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,639
He had a very exciting victory against against Raymond Ford,

1106
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,639
tremendous battle. This was back in June, and so now

1107
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:37,960
he's had some tough fights in early he had the

1108
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:40,199
close draw, you know, the where a lot of people

1109
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,119
thought he won, where he didn't get the WBC belt.

1110
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,159
That was on the five on five card, and he

1111
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,559
gets the title shot in June. Like I mentioned, his

1112
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,199
scores a very close but outstanding action pack win against Ford.

1113
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,960
And so his promoter, Frank Warren is taking him home

1114
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,760
to Liverpool to make the first title defense, and they've

1115
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,719
matched him up with Ronnie Rios, who was a former

1116
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,000
title challenger twice and the junior featherweight division. He was

1117
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:05,079
the name that had been first and foremost was supposed

1118
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:08,159
to fight Stephen Fulton when they were doing the non

1119
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,400
pay per view PBC card in August that was going

1120
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,679
to have Caleb Plant in the main event. It was

1121
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,639
supposed to be Fulton against Rios and the co feature.

1122
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,320
I guess he got this offer or this possibility, and

1123
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,000
so therefore Fulton is fighting a different opponent on the

1124
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,559
preliminaries of the Canelo Berlanga card, where Plant is also

1125
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,280
on the pay per view. In any event, look, Ronnie

1126
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Rio's as a first defense, It's not like an A

1127
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,800
plus opponent. But Ronnie's a good, solid pro. You know,

1128
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,559
he's lost, you know, a couple of title fights in

1129
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,920
the junior featherweight division against Ray Vargas years ago. He

1130
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,840
had a twelve round knockout loss against m j Acmadalia

1131
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,599
back in twenty twenty two. He then took quite a

1132
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,960
while off, but he did come back a few months

1133
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,119
ago and score a victory. And so now he's going

1134
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,599
to Liverpool to the challenge nick Ball and nick Ball

1135
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,159
if anybody deserves I'm not going to call Ronnie Rios

1136
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:55,719
a soft touch, because I don't believe he is a

1137
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,440
soft touch, but he's certainly an underdog. But if anybody

1138
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:04,360
in that time, top tier deserves a hometown fight against

1139
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,840
a repidod opponent, but not you know, a guy that's

1140
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,039
the favorite or anything like that. You know, because of

1141
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,880
everything that Nick has done in the last few fights,

1142
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,280
I see no problem with this and you know, go there,

1143
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,119
do your job and hopefully we'll see you in a

1144
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,519
unification fight, you know after that.

1145
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,119
Speaker 2: He's a short, squat featherweight, very popular. So now he

1146
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,960
gets a shot there to fight in front of the

1147
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,119
home fans in October.

1148
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,039
Speaker 3: We like that. And speaking by the way, he hasn't

1149
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,440
fought in Liverpool since he was back, you know, a

1150
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,440
six round prospect, so it's a really big deal for him.

1151
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: That is a big deal.

1152
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: So speaking to the Brits, two British heavyweights, Fabio Wardley

1153
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,159
and Fraser Clark who threw down very evenly matched and

1154
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:40,960
had a split draw back in March.

1155
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,679
Speaker 1: They're gonna do this again. What's the update?

1156
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 3: First of all, first fight was absolutely sensational, both guys undefeated.

1157
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,480
Wardley was defending the British and the Commonwealth heavyweight title.

1158
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,320
Fraser Clark doesn't have as much experience professionally, but he

1159
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,880
was a bronze medalist in the Olympics in Tokyo, twenty

1160
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,480
twenty really really turned out to be a spectacue fight.

1161
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,960
I mean again, we talked about people wanting to just

1162
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,079
say it's Ortiz and Boachuk has the fight of the year,

1163
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,480
but that I think was because of it was immediate,

1164
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,119
like they just saw it, and so they're not really

1165
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,800
thinking through the other excellent fights that have taken place.

1166
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,280
I'm not saying that Virgil Ortis and Bowchuk wasn't a

1167
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,519
bona fide candidate, but Wordley and Clark is a candidate also,

1168
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,760
as there are other fights that were up there, Comatov

1169
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,480
and Ford and Tyson Fury against Alexander Usik, and obviously

1170
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,039
Boachuk and Artis. Maybe we'll see something like that this

1171
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:33,800
weekend with the Mobility against Devon Jake. But Wardley and Clark,

1172
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,599
as soon as they had that first fight end in Mars,

1173
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,840
especially because it turned out to be a draw, there

1174
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,840
was immediate discussion of a rematch. I had reported back

1175
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,360
a while ago that there was a decent possibility. I

1176
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,760
want to say that they were talking about doing it

1177
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,039
on September twenty first on the Anthony Joshua Dubois card. Now,

1178
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,559
remember these guys drew like fifteen thousand people to the

1179
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:54,840
O two Arena as the main event. So they could

1180
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,039
have definitely done their own show, probably would have put

1181
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:58,559
it on a pay per view in Britain if they

1182
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,760
did the rematch on its own card as a main event.

1183
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,159
But it's not going to be the main event, and

1184
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,480
it's not going to be in Britain most likely. According

1185
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:07,960
to what the people I've talked to, is this is

1186
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,559
going to be another fight that loads up these read

1187
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,599
season cards. They're gonna probably do the fight. It's not official,

1188
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:16,320
it's not done, they haven't announced it, but the plans are.

1189
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,559
What they're targeting anyway, is to put this on the

1190
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:24,159
undercard in October when we see the fight between Arthur

1191
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,440
Better BAV and Dmitri Biebl for the undisputed light heavyweight title.

1192
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,880
So if this is one of those one of the

1193
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,639
fights on that card, the main event is already like

1194
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:34,000
one of the best fights that you can make in

1195
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,360
the entire sport. Certainly, we've been waiting a long time

1196
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,079
for it. It got delayed because of the injury to the

1197
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,760
Better BF. But you throw on Fabio Wardley and Fraser

1198
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,239
Clark in part two of a tremendous heavyweight battle that

1199
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,400
definitely makes that card and without even knowing the other

1200
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,679
fights that the Saudi's are looking to do, if that

1201
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,840
does in fact land there, like I'm told, it's probably

1202
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,599
going to be the case, that's a tremendous fight for

1203
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:58,039
that show.

1204
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: Okay, good stuff for Wardley and Clark. Stay tuned for

1205
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,440
our British fight fans.

1206
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:07,679
Speaker 3: Oh that's listen. That's a hell of a fight. I

1207
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:08,199
can't wait for that.

1208
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,639
Speaker 2: We love the heavyweights. Heavyweights, it means something different. It

1209
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:15,880
just seems like spectacular years so far with that Usik

1210
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,719
Fury fight at the.

1211
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:17,079
Speaker 1: Top of it.

1212
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,079
Speaker 2: But we've seen knockouts from Anthony Joshua Jang, dispatching of

1213
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:27,400
Deontay Wilder, and Martin Bocoli's upset demolishing Jared Anderson, which

1214
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,400
we both thought, I mean the heavyweight division compelling.

1215
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: You forgot about the other fight of your candidate in

1216
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,199
the heavyweight division that was a couple of weeks ago

1217
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,480
between Derrek Chessaur and Joe Joyce.

1218
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:42,159
Speaker 2: Yes, Chasaur and Joyce. Nostalgia time. Speaking of nostalgia, unfortunately

1219
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,639
earlier this week is the is the anniversary, and we

1220
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,400
did talk recently about this, but forty two years ago,

1221
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,360
this past Monday, on August the twelfth, Salvador Sanchez, one

1222
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,119
of the great fighters, Mexican fighters, at only twenty three

1223
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,920
years of age, had accomplished so much and only tw

1224
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:03,880
three years old, killed in a car crash. We did

1225
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,519
talk for those that were not with us on this

1226
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:10,000
pot about the Azuma Nelson fight at Madison Square Garden

1227
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,599
and that anniversary forty two years ago, back in July,

1228
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,679
was just three weeks before this car accident, back in

1229
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,400
nineteen eighty two, earlier this week. We can't convey enough

1230
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:25,320
how meteoric the rise was for this guy, Hall of fame,

1231
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,079
credentials even in his early twenties, and then bam, gone

1232
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,400
horribly in his own accident. He was at the wheel,

1233
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,199
it's his own car crash and dead and gone. Dan

1234
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,000
it just twenty three years of age.

1235
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:41,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, driving a Porsche. Was it involved in a car

1236
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,079
accident with a truck or two trucks? I guess he

1237
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,360
left behind a wife and two small children. Like you said,

1238
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:49,840
only twenty three years old, but at twenty three, had

1239
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,079
accomplished more than most fighters accomplished in an entire career.

1240
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,000
So the credentials that he had, the reason we spoke

1241
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,440
about the Nelson fight because that was the anniversary. A,

1242
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,280
that was a fantastic fight, and b it turned out

1243
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,039
to be his last fight, and at the time was

1244
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:05,880
Zuma Nelson was totally unknown and he went on to

1245
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,360
become one of the all time greats himself, winning championships

1246
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,320
at featherweight and junior lightweight, become a Hall of Famer,

1247
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,119
just like Sanchez. So when he died, Sanchez was forty

1248
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,679
four to one and one with thirty two knockouts, and

1249
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,800
he was he had made nine defenses. The ninth defense

1250
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,639
was against against a Zumin Nelson, and even though that

1251
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:23,400
fight had just happened three before his death, he was

1252
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,880
already scheduled have a rematch with with Juan Laporte back

1253
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,360
at Madison's Pare Guard in September of eighty two. When

1254
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,119
he died obviously in August of eighty two. So you know,

1255
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:34,400
this was a time in boxing where the top fighters

1256
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:39,239
fought frequently. Savador Sanchez became known to the Americans more

1257
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,039
than just his Mexican viewers and fans because he fought

1258
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,079
a number of fights on ABC on the network, and

1259
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:48,320
he fought he was one of the main fighters in

1260
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,159
the early eighties late seventies that formed the foundation of HBO.

1261
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,719
He along with Larry Holmes and Marvin Hagler, were three

1262
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,480
fighters that HBO featured a lot in its in its

1263
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,639
early days when they got more heavily involved in boxing,

1264
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,119
they couldn't get enough of these guys. And Sanchez also,

1265
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:06,599
you know, like I said, he fought on the networks,

1266
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,920
also I saw I remember seeing him as a kid

1267
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,920
like in some of the early fights I watched on TV.

1268
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,239
Spectacular fighter, had power, had technique, had skills, could defend,

1269
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:23,159
had angles through lots of punches, exciting, but also had,

1270
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:25,079
like I said, the skill set. You know, it was

1271
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,760
like the combination of a great boxer but also a

1272
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,280
great brawler, like the real good. But they call him

1273
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,760
a boxer puncher, but he fought everybody.

1274
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: The coming out was really the network TV fights with

1275
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,440
Danny Little Red Lopez, and you can YouTube those up

1276
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,280
and go back and look at him. One of them

1277
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,679
was what ABC wide well to sports. I think the

1278
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:44,400
other one may have been even on CBS. But they

1279
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,960
were both brawls, and Sanchez took everything that Lopez had

1280
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,400
to offer and then brutalized him and so just yeah.

1281
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: He was. He was always active. He fought on a

1282
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,920
regular regular basis, but just in terms of the elite

1283
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,000
guys that he fought. He defeated Danny Little Red Lopez

1284
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:00,639
for the title Danny Lope in the Hall of Fame.

1285
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:03,679
He defeated him in a rematch. He defeated Juan Laporte,

1286
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,440
was an excellent contender at that time. They were going

1287
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,559
to have a rematch, but he obviously passed before they

1288
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,159
could do it. He had the win that we spoke

1289
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,000
about against zum and Nelson. That was one of the

1290
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,840
great fights you'll ever see, and it still blows my

1291
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,320
mind that Nelson was so unknown at that time to

1292
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,440
see what he went on to do after that fight,

1293
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,000
he became like one of the great fighters in history himself.

1294
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,199
Like you can, I think there's a very strong argument

1295
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,039
that you can make a lot of people make that

1296
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,800
the greatest ever professional boxer from Africa is a Zuma.

1297
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,719
Nelson and Sanchez fought him when he was an unknown guy.

1298
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,599
But it shows you how good he was because it

1299
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:39,079
took him fifteen rounds but he finally stopped Nelson, and

1300
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:41,599
like I said, unfortunately he passed a few weeks later.

1301
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,239
But the biggest fight that Sanchez ever had, the fight

1302
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,199
that I have been obsessed with TJ for years been.

1303
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:50,280
I've located memorabilia from that fight for my collection, different

1304
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,239
posters and other credentials and stickers and credent you know,

1305
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:59,159
the whole nine program, the legendary one of the great

1306
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,840
monster fights in the history of the great Mexico Puerto

1307
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,400
Rico rivalry at the Caesars Palace Pavilion, a don King

1308
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,599
close circuit pay per view main event uh the world

1309
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,159
WBC Featherweight title defense against Wilfredo Gomez. Gomez was the

1310
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,639
long time junior featherweight champion from Puerto Rico. Massive puncher

1311
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:20,960
along Tyle Raine comes up. That was like they called

1312
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,440
it the Battle of the Little Giants, and that's exactly

1313
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,440
what it was. This was an epic fight and Sanchez

1314
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,679
and Gomez went at it like their lives depended on it.

1315
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,639
And in the end it was Savador Sanchez with two

1316
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,920
knockdowns and a big knockout, stopped Gomez in the eighth round.

1317
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,840
Sensational fight.

1318
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:42,039
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it go back in YouTube that went up.

1319
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: I'm so geeked up right now talking about this, and

1320
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,559
I mean it's sad that we're doing it because it's

1321
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:50,079
because Sanchez passed. But I'm so thinking about this Gomez fight.

1322
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,119
I probably watched that Gomez Sanchez fight every other month.

1323
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,440
I'm gonna go I'm gonna watch it when.

1324
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: We watch it again, and we can't. I mean, I

1325
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,719
said this back in July. I'll say it again for

1326
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,800
this audience. We can't convey enough what a national hero,

1327
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,360
but also in his home area, his home region goods.

1328
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,519
The images from that funeral when you go back in YouTube,

1329
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:13,480
in national television, I mean, it's on national TV and

1330
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:16,519
there are thousands of people in the streets and they

1331
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:20,039
are carrying the coffin. The people are carrying the coffin

1332
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,719
and passing it from people to people to take it

1333
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,119
into the church. You taught you talk about what an icon,

1334
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,960
and he easily we talked about this before. He easily

1335
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:34,800
had five years of high level career and maybe ten

1336
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,599
years of high level career still left at only twenty

1337
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,239
three years old. You don't know for sure, but I

1338
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:42,519
would say easily five years of high level career that

1339
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:43,079
are gone.

1340
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: Geologically, as tough as he was and as many fights said,

1341
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,880
you know, he was in some hard, tough fights, but

1342
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,639
he was not even at twenty three, with forty six

1343
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:57,199
fights in his career and having made nine defenses. He

1344
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,400
did not take overwhelming punishment either, got a lot of

1345
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,280
his guys out of there. There were certain fights that

1346
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,519
maybe weren't the most exciting where he was able to

1347
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:07,519
outbox guys. I mean, he could really do a lot.

1348
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:09,079
He was a very versatile fighter when he when he

1349
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:10,559
had a bite down and fight though, like he did

1350
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:14,000
against Gomez, I mean he sures heck did that. I mean, well,

1351
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:15,679
Franil Gomez the Hall of Fame r also. I mean

1352
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,000
he may have lost that fight against Sanchez coming up

1353
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:21,719
to the next weight class, but he was a spectacular

1354
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:23,400
fighter in his own right, one of the greatest punchers

1355
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,039
boxing he's ever seen. And Sanchez shredded him, you know,

1356
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:27,679
as in the later going to that fight. I mean,

1357
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:29,880
you know, it's just a nostalgia.

1358
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: You gotta go, you gotta go see this. Go check

1359
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,400
out the ray Field collection. Whenever he puts up anything

1360
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,679
on Salvador Sanchez.

1361
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:36,559
Speaker 1: This guy was that big.

1362
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: This year, I put up some of the cars I

1363
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,880
have from a because you know, you're boxing. You know,

1364
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,159
people know baseball cards, football cards. There's boxing cards. There's

1365
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:48,320
always been, like in back in the tobacco era, like

1366
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,000
the right, the late you know, the early nineteen hundreds.

1367
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,119
A lot of the cards that were more modern were

1368
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,440
on stickers that came in foreign issues, like in Italy

1369
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,800
and Panini. Sanchez has some cards, but they're in like

1370
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,920
these obscure sets. You gotta find like his nineteen eighty

1371
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,679
two sticker from the Italian Panini set. You gotta find

1372
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:07,840
the sticker and the card on a sheet that you

1373
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,679
got to cut out. That was in the famous combat

1374
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:14,760
magazine that comes from Japan called Gong, And they've got

1375
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,360
one issue that had a sticker, one issue that's got

1376
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,840
the card. Rayfiel's got the uncut sheets. Oh, I mean,

1377
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,800
I'm an animal with this shit, of course you do.

1378
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: I expect nothing less of the Rayfield collection on Salvador

1379
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,000
Sanchez than you've got the cutout sheets of boxing cards

1380
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,599
of him from a Japanese fight magazine.

1381
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: But he was that big of a deal. That's for sure.

1382
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:36,559
Speaker 2: One more piece of nostalgia, and that goes back twenty

1383
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:40,320
three years ago. Now, coming Sunday, August eighteenth is the

1384
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,840
anniversary from two thousand and one. That's Chris Bird and

1385
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,639
David Tua in a heavyweight battle. All right, why does

1386
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:49,400
this stand out? Why does this make the nostalgia rundown

1387
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,719
for these two ahead?

1388
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:54,559
Speaker 3: The main reason is because you get to, like late August,

1389
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,360
mid to late August is not a lot of stuff

1390
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,679
going on right in terms of anniversaries. It's typically a

1391
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:02,239
slow time of the year. However, Chris Bird, who was

1392
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,840
a heavyweight title holder, David Tua, who I've maintained over

1393
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,840
the last say twenty five or thirty years, is probably

1394
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,760
the best heavyweight not to win a world title, a

1395
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,960
tremendous puncher, totally opposite styles, but there were two of

1396
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,239
the best and the biggest names of their time. And

1397
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,400
when you look back that period of time in the

1398
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,760
early two thousands, I'm not going to sider and tell

1399
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,679
you it's as good of a heavyweight ear as say,

1400
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,320
like the nineteen seventies or the nineteen nineties, or even

1401
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,480
frankly the ear that we're in now, with what we've

1402
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,159
seen with Fury and Ou Sick and Joshua Wilder and

1403
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,320
all the guys that have been around now. But David

1404
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,840
two and Chris Bird were two of the best and

1405
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,159
the best names of their time. Bird was very polarizing

1406
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:44,599
because he made terrible fights. Was a super skilled fighter,

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though kind of boring, but was always at a gigantic

1408
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,880
disadvantage in terms of usually his height and weight. But

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01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,199
he was a brilliant boxer of Southpaw. Was an Olympian

1410
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for the United States. Started his career like in the

1411
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one fifties, but became a bona fide heavyweight, you know,

1412
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handed Vitali Klitschko his first loss, you know, on an injury,

1413
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and Tua had a tremendous resume. He beat a lot

1414
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of top guys who went on to become world title

1415
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you know, world champions, but they weren't in world title fights.

1416
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,000
I mean, he's got two wins over by knockout against

1417
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:15,400
Hasim Rockman. He's got you know, he knocked out John

1418
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,599
Ruiz in nineteen seconds and he has a draw i

1419
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,159
should say against Rockman in the rematch, but a knockout

1420
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:23,440
in the first fight. He had a nineteen second knockout

1421
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,039
against Jean Ruiz, who went on to become a heavyweight champion.

1422
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,320
He beat Michael Moore after he was in a world

1423
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,519
champion and a fight I was ringside four in thirty seconds.

1424
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,000
He knocked him out. Was a devastating knockout. You know.

1425
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,440
He beat my friend of me Freso Kendo by knockout.

1426
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,840
He beat Donnel Nicholson. He got a title shot against

1427
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,920
the prime Lennox Lewis and lost in a one sided decision,

1428
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,320
the first heavyweight championship fight I ever covered. But he

1429
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,599
has wins over guys who were good contenders at that time,

1430
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:53,199
Obed Sullivan and you can go on David ais On,

1431
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:57,119
you know, just good quality guys that were populated that

1432
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,920
upper restaurant. Olag Maskio by knockout in a fight that

1433
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,679
was on CBS when they used to still show you know,

1434
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:06,679
good heavyweight fights on the networks. Ike I Deabuci had

1435
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:09,480
one of the great heavyweight fights of ever in a

1436
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,280
very very razor close loss on HBO. I always thought

1437
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,679
he'd eat that fight out, but he was fighting at

1438
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,800
that level, tons of top names, and so when he

1439
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,199
got in the fight against Chris Bird, this was like

1440
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:22,760
for big stakes. It was on showtime. They were fighting

1441
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,440
in an IBF elimination fight. The winner was going to

1442
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:28,960
fight Evander Holyfield for the vacant title, and that was

1443
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,840
also a big deal. Holy Field was maybe not at

1444
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,320
his best at that point, but was still one of

1445
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,000
the great names in the division. And in this particular

1446
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:40,480
fight that took place in Las Vegas, Chris Bird Does

1447
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,000
did what Chris Bird does. He outpointed two in a close,

1448
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,559
competitive fight, you know, eight four eight four seven five

1449
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,360
on the scorecards, but he definitely was the rightful winner.

1450
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,880
And he went on then and fought Evander Holyfield for

1451
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,039
the vacant IBF title, a fight that I was ringside for,

1452
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:56,599
and he won that title. And unfortunately for David Two,

1453
01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:58,800
as I have said many times, he had the great

1454
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,840
misfortune of being a really outstanding heavyweight in that era

1455
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,920
and only got one title shot, and it happened to

1456
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,400
come against the dead prime Lenox Lewis and the mandatory

1457
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:10,880
and he got absolutely played with in that fight, and

1458
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,119
he never got another opportunity. And this was the chance

1459
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:15,440
to get that chance, right had he beaten Chris Burt,

1460
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:18,559
because I believe he would have absolutely defeated that that

1461
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:21,320
version of the Vander Holyfield, but it didn't happen. In

1462
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,079
the you know, this is the anniversary of that fight.

1463
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:25,760
So this was a fight that was worthy of being

1464
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,960
for a title unto itself. But it turned out that

1465
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,159
it was an elimination.

1466
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,639
Speaker 2: And for Tua what might have been because Birds you,

1467
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:33,519
as you just described, bird beat him that night. I

1468
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:38,360
still remember the Ruiz, the John Ruiz and the Morror

1469
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,920
fights because again blink of and I they're over. This

1470
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,119
guy was, you know, samoan fighter, kind of menacing the

1471
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:47,960
whole thing, and you would have gotten me on the

1472
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,119
trivia pat He only got one title shot, one one

1473
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:51,159
track at Lennox Lewis.

1474
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: And that's and the thing about you mentioned about the

1475
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,840
two quickies between Ruiz and Moore. The Ruiz fight was

1476
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,119
before my time of covering boxing, although I remember watching it,

1477
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:01,239
and as I'm sure you would understand, I have the

1478
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:04,559
poster from that fight, of course. But the David Tua

1479
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:06,760
fight I was at in Atlantic City. But the thing

1480
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,639
about the David Tua fight, which was after David was,

1481
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:11,239
you know, well beyond his prime. This is in two

1482
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,199
thousand and two. I remember having a conversation with my

1483
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,000
good pal Carry Davis, who used to run the boxing

1484
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,119
department at HBO Sports. He was the senior vice president

1485
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:24,280
and you know, we would always talk on a regular basis,

1486
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,280
and not that I was making the decisions, but he

1487
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,960
would always run fights by me, like what do you

1488
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,199
think of this? What do you think of that? He

1489
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,320
was like looking for like my visceral reaction when he

1490
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,119
would come up with a fight that he was interested

1491
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,760
to work on. And when when he I remember we

1492
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,920
were having lunch in like Indianapolis at a fight we

1493
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,000
were at, and before that fight was going on, he

1494
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,360
told me they were going to make David two against

1495
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,679
Michael Moore. What do I think? And I looked at him, like,

1496
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:48,199
what are you doing? I said, that is a one

1497
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,360
round fight. I said, David two was going to absolutely

1498
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,679
fucking annihilate Michael Moore. No, no, no, you don't understand this.

1499
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,000
That the other Okay. Now fast forward a couple of

1500
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,840
months whenever the fight has and I'd never forget this.

1501
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,480
I know this is not about the bird, but where

1502
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,599
I ran sitting ringside in Atlantic City. I'm in the

1503
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:06,519
front row of the media section on the where the

1504
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:08,760
TV cameras are shooting over us, and Carrie Davis is

1505
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,960
in the front row where the HBO executives always sat

1506
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:14,559
directly across the ring for me, like I could make

1507
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:16,399
eye contact with him, and we were you know, you

1508
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:19,239
could get the facial knowledge from each other if you

1509
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:22,279
were nodding or whatever was going on. So the fight

1510
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:25,560
starts ding ding. Thirty seconds later, Michael Moore is out

1511
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,760
fucking called splatte yep on the canvas, a devastating, destructive

1512
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,439
massive David to a knockout and I catch carry Davis's

1513
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,199
eye across the ring and he looked directly at me

1514
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,960
when that knockout happened, and he just put his head down.

1515
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,520
He is basically like, yeah, yeah, you do.

1516
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,359
Speaker 2: You remember lunch in Indianapolis, my friend, where I told

1517
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,880
you what was gonna happen. But Chris Bird got Tua

1518
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:54,119
on that night back twenty three years ago, August eighteen

1519
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:59,800
of two thousand and one. They're in that heavyweight battle. Listen,

1520
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,319
we've done plenty of damage here on the preview pod.

1521
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,800
Christian Mobili and Sergei de' revyon Chinkowa, They're gonna do

1522
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,000
plenty of damage. We're looking forward to that main event.

1523
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,840
Whatever happens, we're going to recap it. Coming off the weekend.

1524
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,199
You heard from Danny Garcia as well, in advance of

1525
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,239
Hymn Fighting on the Canelo undercard one on one with

1526
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:22,800
Dan here on this pod again, likeas Radus review Us

1527
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,760
on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, why don't we reconvene on the

1528
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,239
bet Us Boxing Show. We'll handicap a little bit at

1529
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,880
one Eastern time Friday, depending.

1530
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,319
Speaker 1: On when they're hearing the pod, join us live.

1531
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,520
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about the Mobility fight, the heavyweight co feature,

1532
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,279
handicap those more fun and frivolity. Raphael will tell more

1533
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,640
stories about getting boxing cards perforated from third world countries

1534
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,760
and wherever else because I expect nothing less.

1535
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 3: Just for the record, by the way, they're not perfect.

1536
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,119
If you wanted to take them out, you got to

1537
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:51,720
cut them with the scissors night tem.

1538
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: To City, okay, so you could not.

1539
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't perfect, okay, but nonetheless you got the

1540
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:58,279
Salvador sang and chess cars. I'm a Japanese boxing magazine,

1541
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:02,319
of course, that's how that works. Listen, great stuff here.

1542
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,920
Let's reconvene on the beat Us Show and then whatever

1543
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,960
happens a fight, preach Unite, recap awaits us off the weekend.

1544
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan, Raphael, Yes, sir friend.

1545
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,279
Speaker 2: All right, and we thank you for listening. You've been

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01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:15,920
with us on the Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast,