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<v Speaker 1>We all find comfort in different things. It may be

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<v Speaker 1>simple you enjoy listening to music, reading a book, or

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<v Speaker 1>doing a crossword puzzle. But some people find comfort in

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<v Speaker 1>things far more sinister. In the story of Anatole moskn

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<v Speaker 1>he found comfort in the deceased, and for nine years

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<v Speaker 1>he would go about saving the abandon at least that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he convinced himself he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, I'm Ben and this is Wicked and Grim,

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<v Speaker 2>a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning following podcasteien listener dis question is that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's play a game.

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<v Speaker 1>I open a can. You open a can, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see if people can tell who opened the can.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like just about to open it to your

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<v Speaker 2>good timing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so let's just pause, Okay, Reset, Reset.

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<v Speaker 2>One of us has put a.

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<v Speaker 1>Man down, is going to go first?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So that's option A, and this is option B.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one was? Which? Can you guess?

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying so hard. I didn't set myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You did, you could have done great or.

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<v Speaker 1>You have done no way that anyone did not give Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't give it away, just in case, give it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it away, Give it away, now, give it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it away, Give it away. Now, what's up. How's

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<v Speaker 2>it going?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, anyway, I'm going to work on that. It's hard, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I find it hard to do with the microphone in

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<v Speaker 1>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's totally the microphone one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Anyway, welcome back to Wicked Ingram.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is our one hundred and twenty first episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy heck, which is wild. That's amazing. And I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>looked at our numbers for the previous I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>a month or so, but I do know we are

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on one million downloads. Oh my gosh. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>technically we might have already hit it. I'm not too certain.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, but it is coming up quick

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<v Speaker 2>at least we should, so that's cool. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of thank you to you guys for all that,

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<v Speaker 2>are getting a double whammy today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that happens more often than not. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, it's kind of annoying because we're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to get this episode out. Shit, we also

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we have two episodes, you know, like we actually

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<v Speaker 1>just realized that on Sunday, the weekend. Yeah, Saturday, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have it. So I had to finish off the

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon one. Uh and it's all ready to go. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna record right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>B Yeah, let's thank them and then I have some

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<v Speaker 1>other thanks to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the list of patrons we have to thank that

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<v Speaker 2>signed up this week, we have Meadow, Zoki Nice and

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<v Speaker 2>Lise Torres, Hayley Lamp, Faith Thompson, Gabby Pino, and Lindsey

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<v Speaker 2>perfect few.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>All of you are supporting us over there. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. We appreciate that, and we appreciate you guys

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<v Speaker 2>that means the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Okay, we did a wicked box draw. We

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<v Speaker 1>did so we did two boxes, so one on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and then every single Patreon just patron.

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<v Speaker 2>Y one on Instagram and Facebook, so the combination.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got one. Yeah, whenever I say Instagram, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean both. They got one just automatically. And like the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of oments that we got that were so kind.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't actually realize I needed that, but it actually

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<v Speaker 1>brought me so much joy. Holy heck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it made us feel really good. So some of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that we didn't even realize, you guys appreciated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we we appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really cool to read. I think some of

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<v Speaker 1>the top ones. Well, not Cool Carl was definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>A top Yes, I think that was probably a number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I think we might actually do another giveaway for

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<v Speaker 1>like a piece of merch because we have not Cool

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<v Speaker 1>Carl merch now.

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<v Speaker 2>We do, which is really cool and it's probably our

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<v Speaker 2>coolest piece of merch or one of anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's retro, right, like the retro vibe and

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<v Speaker 1>then the other one as embarrassing as it is Brigan

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<v Speaker 1>Donnelly's episode. Oh I'm glad you guys enjoy that. I

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<v Speaker 1>begged Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>She did not want to upload that episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to redo this, like I'm sorry, but like

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way this is going up and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It was way too funny. It was way too funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So there there was marital disputes over that episode airing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was what my second episode. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of nervous. I still get freaking nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I get nervous about everything in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's it's worked out pretty good. You do awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. It's funny. I'm glad we put it

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<v Speaker 1>out there. A lot of people have found joy in that,

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess that's something.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when we do have a new listener and

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<v Speaker 2>they go back and start from episode one and they

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<v Speaker 2>get to episode five, we pretty much always get a message,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, the Donnilly's the orgasm thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was a funny mistake. Okay, are we

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<v Speaker 1>ready to roll?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, So what do you got for us today?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so today we're talking about anatotlely moskmin Sweet. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know who this is?

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<v Speaker 2>I they do only because of you telling me slight

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<v Speaker 2>little things about him. If it wasn't for you saying anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have had no clue.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually had this case on my list for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while. I'd probably say, like a good year for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, I haven't done it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Well, I mean we do have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>cases like that that are just sitting on our list,

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for one day, the right day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and I write shit down in books and

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<v Speaker 1>then I forget about the book, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Anatolely was born in Russia in nineteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a love for learning that started at a

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<v Speaker 1>very young age. And to give you an idea just

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<v Speaker 1>how smart he was. By the time he graduated from

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow State University, Anatoly was fluent in thirteen languages. Holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>that is beyond that. How was my mind old? Once

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<v Speaker 1>he had graduated from university.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so he's probably like maybe twenty twenty two, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five tops something like that. Yeah, because is that that

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<v Speaker 2>not that you can't be older to graduate university. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>get me wrong, it's just that era. Usually they're quite

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Yeah, and I believe that he kind of went

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<v Speaker 1>after high school, went to university kind of thing. There

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any breaks or anything. But yeah, that is mind

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<v Speaker 1>blowing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That is wild. I barely speak English and flagelence.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I am going to add a second language

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<v Speaker 1>one day, but I cannot even imagine thirteen. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>no way. There's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>He is using his full brain.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we had this conversation before. What would your

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've talked about Spanish before. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be somewhere that I'd really want to go visit,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and then learn that language that when I

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<v Speaker 1>go there. I mean, gosh, you would go there and

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<v Speaker 1>you'd still fuck up, you'd still look like you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>fit in.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh, yeah, for sure, one hundred percent, one hundred percentred.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be really conscious of that now because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And what's the other thing? You always say, to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, to be fair? So bends one percent to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair to be fair. Okay, So he would be

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<v Speaker 1>described as someone incredibly intelligent, basically a genius, but a

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<v Speaker 1>bit odd and eccentric to say the least, which would

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<v Speaker 1>not be the first time a highly intelligent person would

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<v Speaker 1>be described that way. Not all, but very often intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>people struggle with social skills For a number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's pretty normal for them to be abnormal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's yeah. I've met a few people like that

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and it's it's fair. I mean, like, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking thirteen languages, would you have time to do anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>They probably don't even have time to be social, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so Anatolely would become an expert in Celtic history

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<v Speaker 1>and folklore, with some people believing that he had this

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<v Speaker 1>interest in folklore if I could speak, it was only

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<v Speaker 1>a byproduct of his main interest of the occult.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's got some interesting interests he does, actually, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the occult interests folks, Like, there's some wild stories within

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<v Speaker 2>all of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're really just getting started. He's he is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting. I'll give him that. I'll give him that.

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<v Speaker 3>Ka.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean we're talking about him in a podcast, So.

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<v Speaker 2>There is some interests within his story everything there.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was a collector with over sixty thousand books

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<v Speaker 1>and documents in just his own personal library.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, that's a library and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like I maybe have like ten books. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's why I can't speak thirteen language.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we do live in a tiny home.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, douche, I actually had got rid of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of books.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if we could fit sixty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>books in our tiny No.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean some of them I said were documents, right, oh, Toche,

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<v Speaker 1>So it could have just been papers or whatever. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote several books on the many languages he spoke, and

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<v Speaker 1>he helped translate an incredible amount of work for his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow academics working in the field of linguistics. Perhaps more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>anatotally wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and five, he was commissioned to write

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<v Speaker 1>a summary and a complete list of the dead in

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<v Speaker 1>over seventy or seven hundred cemeteries. Holy Shitni Nosgors and

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<v Speaker 1>anatotally jumped at the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if I may ask, what's Noa?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a city in Russia? Okay, Sorry if if

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<v Speaker 1>I butchered that pronunciation to anyone listening from.

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<v Speaker 2>Russia, another language is what you're trying to speak, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to be an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like you all trying to pronounce Coquitlam. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or I was gonna see Nanaimo. Some people have trouble

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<v Speaker 1>with Nanaimo, but Coquitlam for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>peace and graveyards, and I don't necessarily think that's an

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<v Speaker 1>abnormal thing. But he liked his time in the graveyards.

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<v Speaker 2>Graveyards are honestly a very peaceful place.

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<v Speaker 1>They are.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not going to argue anyone who says

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<v Speaker 2>they're creepy, they're weird. Sure, I'm not gonna argue that.

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<v Speaker 2>Very true. They very much so can but.

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<v Speaker 1>More so at night. I feel like we used to

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<v Speaker 1>through the graveyard. And I know a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was so weird, but I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's very very peaceful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so peaceful. A lot of people find peace

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean theoretically most people will eventually find peace

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<v Speaker 2>in one. Yes, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Even gonna let's just move on, you know what. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>so okay, so anatotally got to work doing a job

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<v Speaker 1>that most people would have turned down. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>work on foot, walking about thirty kilometers a day and

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<v Speaker 1>make detailed reports of the grapes he visited, often sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>on site exposed to the elements, or if lucky, getting

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<v Speaker 1>a hay bill to sleep on. And when he ran

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<v Speaker 1>out of drinking water, he'd drink rain water from puddles,

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<v Speaker 1>from puddles, which I actually just hate because it's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't get bringing sick. Yeah, kid, sick from.

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<v Speaker 2>That rainwater is one thing, but yeah, from the puddle

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<v Speaker 2>from puddle. No.

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<v Speaker 1>He also said he spent one night sleeping in a coffin.

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<v Speaker 1>He obviously took his work very seriously. Wow, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the shit in this case. So I'm like, is this

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<v Speaker 1>guy just making this up? Because that just seems weird

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<v Speaker 1>because I think one article I read so the coffin

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<v Speaker 1>was just there waiting to be filled the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not how it works, I don't think. Because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't bring the body to the cemetery. They bring

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<v Speaker 1>the body in the coffin to the cemetery. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking at a different country.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Maybe I should have googled that that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, as far as I know, the body always

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<v Speaker 2>But who knows as far as Hollywood has taught us.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've never really had a dealing with how

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<v Speaker 2>to put a body in a box and bury it.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I've gone to a few like funerals where it's

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<v Speaker 1>open casket. Yes, and I'm assuming that the body stays

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<v Speaker 1>in there. But yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, procedures nowadays are a lot different. This

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<v Speaker 2>is nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Well this wouldn't This would have been in the two

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really yeah, Oh and I could imagine that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, it is overseas and lots of

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<v Speaker 1>countries in different areas of the world do things far differently,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he was done this massive undertaking, Ana totally

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<v Speaker 1>found work as a freelance journalist when he often and

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<v Speaker 1>he where he often wrote stories about his experiencing is

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<v Speaker 1>roughing it in the cemeteries that he did study. That

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<v Speaker 1>was until November twenty eleven, when Anatole's name was in

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<v Speaker 1>the paper for a totally different reason, okay, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming this is going to be where he's uh

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<v Speaker 2>compiling some bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you shall see, you see. Starting back in about

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine, reports of vandalized or reports of vandal vandalism, vandalism,

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<v Speaker 1>vandalism and sometimes even graves that had been completely emptied

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<v Speaker 1>started coming into police So people were being notified of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know where this is going.

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<v Speaker 1>Anatotally was questioned, especially especially given his well known work

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<v Speaker 1>in around the local cemeteries. But he had a good

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<v Speaker 1>reason to be there, and no one expected an academic

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<v Speaker 1>like he was to be desecrating graves. That was until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, when he was literally caught doing so. By then,

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<v Speaker 1>more reports were coming in, this time about Muslim graves

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<v Speaker 1>being vandalized, and this time it carred a heavier implication.

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<v Speaker 1>A recent terrorist attack had people on edge and thinking

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<v Speaker 1>this new wave of vandalism had a political or racial

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<v Speaker 1>charged motive. The police had been keeping an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>the Muslim cemetery around the city, which is how they

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<v Speaker 1>caught anatolely in action defacing a grave and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a force arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you say defacing a grave, what exactly was

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<v Speaker 2>he doing to sit grave well, I think or any

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<v Speaker 2>of the graves when he was defacing them, because.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get into more detail about what he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing. But in defacing sometimes he would just take

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of the grave, like I mean, I you know

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<v Speaker 1>how sometimes like graves have like a picture. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>might like black or something that.

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<v Speaker 2>Off huh interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>As like a keepsake. I guess you could say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is actually brutal people who go and vandalize or

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<v Speaker 1>do anything and cemeteries are terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that that's like one of the fucking lowest things

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<v Speaker 2>you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really agree, not.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most horrific, don't get me wrong. There

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<v Speaker 2>there's a big difference, but one of the lowest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unnecessary, completely unnecessary. So still thinking that this was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a hate crime, the police then went to

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<v Speaker 1>his home, where they uncovered more than they ever bargained for.

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<v Speaker 1>Anatoly forty five at the time, had never moved out

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<v Speaker 1>of his family home. He very well lived alone, though

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<v Speaker 1>with his parents in a different country for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, which left him to his own devices,

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<v Speaker 1>and he managed to keep himself very busy despite never

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<v Speaker 1>being in a relationship that we know of.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling that keep very busy. Is is

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting very busy, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Because I mean like, if you're in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>that shit takes time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not gonna lie. You take a lot of effort.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they take a lot of time, like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you specifically take of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, try living with.

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<v Speaker 2>You, dude, I trust me, I do. It's I'm not easy,

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So the house was jam packed. As I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>Anatoly was a collector with possibly a hoarding disorder disorder

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and that is my personal diagnosis because I

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<v Speaker 1>saw some footage of the police like walking through his

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<v Speaker 1>home and there's a lot of shit in that house.

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<v Speaker 2>For a moment there, I thought you said that your

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<v Speaker 2>personal diagnosis of yourself was that you're not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I used to be a order.

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<v Speaker 2>You were a hoarder. You were just a eccentric collector

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<v Speaker 2>of things, of things, saying stuff and things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so it was impossible to see the floor in places,

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<v Speaker 1>So that that to me, you know, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, technically it's impossible to see a floor with a

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<v Speaker 2>rug on.

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<v Speaker 1>It, I guess, but there was it was like clutter,

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<v Speaker 1>an accumulation from clutter in each room. But what God

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<v Speaker 1>investigators was actually the smell.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here we go. I do know that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of places with like those extreme hoarding situations there does

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be a smell. But I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>you're going on a different route.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times the smell is from

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<v Speaker 1>food too, because I think sometimes they even have troubles

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<v Speaker 1>throwing up food or like packaging that food was in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it becomes filth. Well, you can't clean with

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<v Speaker 2>that much stuff everywhere too, right, Yeah, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole I've seen some with bathroom problems too, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, oh with animals and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, animals and actual individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was one that I saw where the

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<v Speaker 2>actual individual kept there really sperments that was one of

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<v Speaker 2>their hoarding things.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, I've never heard of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, Yeah, that's that's hum that's something so.

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<v Speaker 1>The host ink okay, almost like something was rotting inside

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<v Speaker 1>and the police wanted to figure out what that smell

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<v Speaker 1>could be or where what it was coming from, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and I just thought of another reason that a

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<v Speaker 2>house could Sorry I digress, but because it could very

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<v Speaker 2>well be moisture build up under a lot of these things, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Mold issues that sort of thing very much, so it

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<v Speaker 2>could beating factor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm just like breathing in that mold. That's so

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<v Speaker 1>bad for you. Hey, yes, okay, wow, wow, so wall search.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's eating right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I know I can't. I actually, when I was researching

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<v Speaker 1>this case, couldn't really eat. Lots of times I do

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<v Speaker 1>like eat while I'm researching or watching true crime shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one just I couldn't for some reason. But

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<v Speaker 1>it could have just been the day. It is gross too. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>where were we? I'm just like all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>So while searching, they found documents and books on doll

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<v Speaker 1>making and mummification. Yeah, and they also found okay, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six life sized dolls, just twenty round. Some are on shelves,

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<v Speaker 1>some were on the floor, some were in the garage.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twenty six of.

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<v Speaker 2>Them life size dolls. How many were human?

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long to put two and two together,

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<v Speaker 1>and the realization was horrifying. The dolls they weren't actually dolls.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the mummified remains of girls previously deceased who

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<v Speaker 1>had already been laid to rest and then dug up.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck all twenty six of them.

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<v Speaker 1>All twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that is a lot of mummified humans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, I couldn't even imagine going into that room

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<v Speaker 1>and discovering that, because dolls alone are creepy. Oh yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and these were kind of how would you describe them vintage?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, they looked I don't even know where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was that gesture.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, they looked kind of olden days ish, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so that would be creepy enough. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>you find out that they're literally like they were people,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my godness. So the girls were women ranged in

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<v Speaker 1>age from three to two twenty five years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of reports do say, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was three to twelve or three to thirteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>but then a lot of them say most the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of them say they ranged from twenty five, which I

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<v Speaker 1>find harder to believe. You think that they would be

429
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<v Speaker 1>more so younger girls. But anyway, the majority said three

430
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<v Speaker 1>to twenty five years old.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, oh oh, okay, so children.

432
00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, girls, young young girls.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Children, some of these are children.

434
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, infants even I think a three year old would

435
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<v Speaker 1>probably consider toddler. Yeah, toddler and infants probably like zero

436
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<v Speaker 1>to one.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

438
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<v Speaker 1>So remember when I mentioned back in about two thousand

439
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<v Speaker 1>and nine reports of vandalized and sometimes even graves that

440
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:54.960
<v Speaker 1>have been completely emptied. Well, that was anttally surprise. Yeah,

441
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<v Speaker 1>anatotally sorry.

442
00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, didn't see that. Coming back at.

443
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<v Speaker 1>The police station, the investigators were left asking one simple question,

444
00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:05.319
<v Speaker 1>a question that usually gets asked. Why.

445
00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

446
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Of course they wanted to know why anatole had done this,

447
00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and he had some surprising answers for them.

448
00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what did you have to say?

449
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.599
<v Speaker 1>When Anatolely was only a boy, he'd spent his time

450
00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:20.960
<v Speaker 1>after school wandering the local cemeteries, examining graves, and becoming

451
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<v Speaker 1>more and more interested in the dead. According to himself

452
00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and even an article he wrote on one of those

453
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<v Speaker 1>trips Anatolely had taken as a boy through the local cemetery,

454
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.880
<v Speaker 1>he actually interrupted a funeral. The funeral had been for

455
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<v Speaker 1>an eleven year old girl, and in their grief, her

456
00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:47.519
<v Speaker 1>surviving relatives had set upon anatolely see that. No, I'm

457
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<v Speaker 1>gonna just carry on and we'll talk about it after, Okay,

458
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:54.079
<v Speaker 1>So he wrote, an adult pushed my face down to

459
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<v Speaker 1>the waxy forehead of the girl in an embroidered cap,

460
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<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing I could do but kiss her

461
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:05.480
<v Speaker 1>as ordered. I kissed her once, then again, then again.

462
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.559
<v Speaker 1>According to Anatoley, the girl's mother then put a wedding

463
00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:13.319
<v Speaker 1>ring on his finger that matched the one on the

464
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:17.559
<v Speaker 1>girl's body, and the two of them were officially married.

465
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<v Speaker 1>What what like? Does that not? Okay? I have trouble

466
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>believing that. Shit like that almost seems something like made

467
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.519
<v Speaker 1>up to me. Could you imagine being a young boy,

468
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.880
<v Speaker 1>You're walking through the cemetery. There happens to be a

469
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<v Speaker 1>funeral of someone, maybe relatively the same age as you.

470
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.359
<v Speaker 1>The family brings you over to this funeral and forces

471
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 1>you to kiss their deceased kid.

472
00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:48.480
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like someone's dream they had. That's what it

473
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>sounds like to me.

474
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and sometimes I've actually had this happen to me before,

475
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>where I forget, oh shit, actually I dreamed that.

476
00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean like to be fit, to be fair,

477
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>people are fucked up not saying that this couldn't happen.

478
00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:07.839
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't make any sense though.

479
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.559
<v Speaker 2>It's fucked up, like you would be grieving.

480
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Why would you want this random child just kissing your

481
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 1>deceased kid like that. It just doesn't make anything.

482
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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense. No, But like I said,

483
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>it could have happened. It could happen.

484
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:23.160
<v Speaker 1>It totally could happen.

485
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Do I think it happened. I'm I mean, maybe there's

486
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.279
<v Speaker 2>more to this story. I don't know, but I'm leaning

487
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.680
<v Speaker 2>towards the fiction side of things.

488
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean, really, I feel like he's the only

489
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<v Speaker 1>one that knows.

490
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm thinking, so if this happened.

491
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<v Speaker 1>With a kid, yeah, So he went on to explain in

492
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<v Speaker 1>his article My Strange Marriage, the little girl's name was Natasha,

493
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>So my strange marriage.

494
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 2>How did he know her name?

495
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I bet you anything that he would

496
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:53.640
<v Speaker 1>have later gone back and visited that grave, Oh, cursuer,

497
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.759
<v Speaker 1>so I could see him knowing the name. So he said,

498
00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.720
<v Speaker 1>My strange marriage with Natasha was useful. It as the

499
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.240
<v Speaker 1>reason behind his belief in magic and his fascination with

500
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the dead, which were two of the reasons behind him

501
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 1>going on to study Celtic history in folklore and the

502
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>occult even probably Yeah. During his studies, Anatole had found

503
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>out about the ancient druid beliefs in communicating with the dead.

504
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Druids would sleep on the graves of the dead in

505
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 1>order to speak with them, and while anatolely was out

506
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:34.359
<v Speaker 1>documenting the graves, he started doing the same thing. He

507
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>had his reasons too, He supposed or his supposed marriage

508
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:43.160
<v Speaker 1>to Natasha. Aside, he'd never been married, but that didn't

509
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.799
<v Speaker 1>mean that Anatoly didn't want to start a family. He

510
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>at one point applied to an adoption agency to try

511
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.599
<v Speaker 1>to adopt a daughter, but his application had been denied.

512
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<v Speaker 1>According to the agency, Anatoly didn't make enough money to

513
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<v Speaker 1>support a child in the agency. Must have thought that

514
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was that and moved on. But after his failed application

515
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>and it totally began keeping an eye on obituaries, especially

516
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>those involving young children. Oh fuck yeah.

517
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I just I had a joke. I can't

518
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.079
<v Speaker 2>remember where I heard it before it and I was

519
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 2>going to make it. But as soon as you said

520
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>young children, I'm like, no, I'm not going to make

521
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that joke. It changes it. It changes it, It changes

522
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the joke.

523
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's gonna want to know what the joke.

524
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Now the joke is. I can't remember where I heard

525
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 2>it from. I think it might have been explos them,

526
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 2>you know those those web comics that are really like, yeah,

527
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>adult oriented. Yeah, the joke was not abituary. You mean

528
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:46.799
<v Speaker 2>hotbituary that was That was the joke. But as soon

529
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned children, that through that.

530
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't have said anything, I know. Okay,

531
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>So once the funeral was over and the girls were

532
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.440
<v Speaker 1>buried and it totally would spend the nights sleeping on

533
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>top of their graves and waiting for them to speak

534
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.359
<v Speaker 1>to him. According to him, he would ask them if

535
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>they wanted a second chance to live, and if they did,

536
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.039
<v Speaker 1>he would dig them up and take them home.

537
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 2>See, I have a problem with this.

538
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Outside I saw right away, you're just like moving your mic.

539
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>You're like, no, I got this isn't right.

540
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Outside of the obvious of digging someone up and taking

541
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>them home. Outside of that, why the fuck is he

542
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.519
<v Speaker 2>just going to the obituaries and sleeping on top of

543
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the grave to try and communicate with the dead, to

544
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:34.759
<v Speaker 2>find a spouse.

545
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Not a spouse, babe, a child.

546
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Or a child.

547
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so the adoption agencies did not let him adopt

548
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 1>a kid, rightfully, so and so this is his way

549
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>of getting a child.

550
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, see I was thinking, we are going the necrophilia route.

551
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, oh, we're gonna make you disbelief. This doesn't

552
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 1>have that.

553
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 2>You and your necrophilia.

554
00:27:57.880 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have it in there.

555
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you and your necroman See how's.

556
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>That it doesn't have this?

557
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>This is child necromancy.

558
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, whatever. I know after after I picked this case,

559
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize you were like, really, yeah.

560
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>More dead dead people being dug up?

561
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Way to go?

562
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I just there are a billion and one ways. I mean,

563
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>it makes more sense. Not that I'm advocating this, It

564
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 2>makes more sense to go and steal a child than

565
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>digging up a deceased one.

566
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I feel like stealing a child and I don't know,

567
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>they're both terrible, but like, I mean the other one

568
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 1>is alive still right, and like.

569
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then he has a live child than.

570
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>H dead one. No one would want him to have

571
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a live child.

572
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I can see on why he would

573
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>go this route, which it is a plausible explanation, but

574
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a stretch in my opinion, is him seeing himself

575
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.079
<v Speaker 2>as so much of an outsider that he's finding someone

576
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>else who is just as desperate as him, akaone who

577
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 2>is deceased, who wants a second chance at life. They

578
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>just want a family again, They want to be alive.

579
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to be in the ground. So a

580
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 2>desperate person looking for a desperate person. Yeah, that's the

581
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>only thing I can see.

582
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 1>I also just need to know would you rather do

583
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>a case about a spouse killing their spouse?

584
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, at this point, kind of you do you really do?

585
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, where are we here? So anatotally didn't know. Okay,

586
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 1>I see where the fuck we are? So I'm just like,

587
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 1>where are we?

588
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 3>So?

589
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Anatolely didn't know how to bring them back to life,

590
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and he knew that he'd have to wait a while

591
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 1>for science to find a way to do it for him.

592
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>So he feels like he's listening to these girls. They

593
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.799
<v Speaker 1>want to come back to life. He wants to bring

594
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>them back to life, but he feels like, I guess

595
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 1>science needs to catch up. So he's taking them home

596
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 1>with him, right, and then he realizes that he needs

597
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to preserve the girl's bodies. Intel science is at that point,

598
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 1>which it still isn't okay. So he began researching ways

599
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to mummify them. I feel like you're just like because his.

600
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Theory is there, but practicality it makes no fucking sense

601
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>because just because you have the body, the skin, the bones,

602
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean you have the person. I know, you're

603
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>not preserving their brain, you're not preserving their heartserving their consciousness.

604
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Or they're really not being preserved at all.

605
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 2>It's on the most super superficial level that he is

606
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>capturing who they are.

607
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he settled on the solution of salt and

608
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>baking soda, covering their hands, feet, and sometimes their face

609
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>with cloths to cover their decomposition when it didn't always work,

610
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 1>and then he began looking after them. He made them

611
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>eyes so that they could watch cartoons with him. He

612
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>painted the masks or the masks over their face with

613
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>nail polish. He stuffed musical boxes and mementos from the

614
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>graves inside them so they made noises when he would

615
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 1>go to play with them.

616
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Jesus, what do he fucking stuff in their eye sockets?

617
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:20.759
<v Speaker 2>See him? Eyes?

618
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Buttons?

619
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit?

620
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes buttons? Was buttons?

621
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Fucking buttons? Anyone else out there thinking of Coraline, the

622
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>other mother right.

623
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Now, also buttons or I think sometimes he did put

624
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.119
<v Speaker 1>doll eyes in there too.

625
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Okay, okay, I can go on a whole

626
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 2>other tangent here with this, but I'm not. I'm not.

627
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if anyone's going to comment how we say

628
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 1>buttons button. I feel like people it's actually me have

629
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>said that. I say button really like cutely or weirdly button, button,

630
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a little button. So they celebrated the holidays and even

631
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the girl's birthdays together, but it wasn't all happy family.

632
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Some of the girls turned on him and anatotally didn't

633
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 1>like that. Then your face there, stop with the facial

634
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 1>they they turned on him. Okay, they were still a family,

635
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 1>they were still his daughters, but they weren't allowed in

636
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.799
<v Speaker 1>the house anymore, and it totally banished them to the garage,

637
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 1>and that was where the police found several of the

638
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>mummified remains when they arrested him in twenty eleven. All right,

639
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, I can't okay, I have this. Nothing about

640
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 1>this is funny whatsoever, but your facial expressions right now,

641
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I just can't even.

642
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Look at you because I can't even fucking believe this, dude, Like,

643
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 2>it's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

644
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>It's very absurd.

645
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, police wanted to know why, and this

646
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 2>is his why? Like what, Yeah, the I don't know

647
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 2>how to put it in words, the disorders or condition

648
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that this individual has to do this sort of thing

649
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and think this way. Wow, all right, it's baffling to

650
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 2>me to say, it's.

651
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Very baffling too. So Anatole was charged with the desecration

652
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of graves and dead bodies, which would have landed him

653
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>apparently a maximum sense of five years if he was

654
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>found guilty, which does not seem like enough. But it

655
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>was pretty clear that he was guilty, and something else

656
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 1>was pretty clear too. Anatotally was sent for a psychiatric evaluation. Rightfully, so,

657
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>his parents claimed that he was fine. His parents actually

658
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know if I've put this in here,

659
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't think anything was wrong. They just thought

660
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that he liked to collect dolls. They didn't realize that

661
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>they were human.

662
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, they didn't realize they were human.

663
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.440
<v Speaker 1>They just thought that he kind of his hobby. Was Like,

664
00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they thought he made them or what.

665
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 2>WI dolls, Go for it. They're not dolls, mom, figures.

666
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't know if you know this about me,

667
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>but do you know those like porcelain dolls? Yeah, I

668
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>used to collect some of those.

669
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know you had some.

670
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, that's so embarrassing and you still married me.

671
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Hey yeah, yeah, you also collected beanie babies and personals babies.

672
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Makes sense because that was gonna be my life savings.

673
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that does not make sense.

674
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so his call. His colleagues at the newspaper said

675
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 1>he was eccentric and a bit quirky, but he wasn't

676
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 1>capable of doing something like this, So, like people close

677
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 1>to him, this was shocking. But the evaluation came back

678
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>with very different results and it totally was diagnosed as

679
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>having paranoid schizophrenia, and his doctor said that he was

680
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 1>unfit to stand trial.

681
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>That makes total sense. It does because he's literally putting voices, personalities,

682
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and everything to these remains of the individuals.

683
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he was therefore also determined to not be

684
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 1>criminal liable for his crimes, even though in his interview

685
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 1>with the police he admitted that he'd known and understood

686
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>that what he was doing was illegal. But he'd done

687
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.199
<v Speaker 1>it anyway. He explained that the girls had been calling

688
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.320
<v Speaker 1>to him from beyond the grave, and he thought that

689
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 1>it was more important to help them than it was

690
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to follow the law.

691
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I believe that.

692
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe that, Like you almost you almost feel

693
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a little bit bad for him.

694
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I do. I wholeheartedly feel bad for him. Yeah, for sure,

695
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>because I believe that he has this paranoid schizophrenia. I've

696
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 2>talked to individuals before who have schizophrenia, and it's very

697
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 2>real situation. There's one individual who had talked to before.

698
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.599
<v Speaker 2>He literally saw people, like a fucking person there in

699
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>his room, oh wow, talking to him, and he would have.

700
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 1>To like that wasn't there.

701
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he'd have to throw an object at them to

702
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>see if he hit them, to see if they were real.

703
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. See that's scary.

704
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>That it is. And so someone who's dealing with this

705
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing, Yeah, they would definitely say, Okay, these

706
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 2>people are really talking to me. It's a real situation.

707
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>He legitimately believed that he was helping them, yeah, and

708
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>eye his head right.

709
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>So I feel bad for him because of that. Yeah,

710
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>it's fucking weird. Yeah, but I I do.

711
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Feel for him, So he said, Okay, where was I.

712
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Not that he's the weird one. The situation is weird.

713
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Having to deal with that, thinking of talking to a

714
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 2>dead person.

715
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Is oh yeah, no, I mean.

716
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not saying he's weird.

717
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.679
<v Speaker 1>Any One that kind of doesn't have this mental illness

718
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that's terrifying, right, So so he said this right before

719
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>he told the police that he'd started bringing the girls

720
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>home before speaking with them because he was getting old

721
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and was getting harder for him to sleep on top

722
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 1>of the graves. He said he'd started sleeping next to

723
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>them at home and hope that being inside would actually

724
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>help them feel more comfortable communicating with him, but who

725
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.280
<v Speaker 1>knows if it actually did. He also rounded up the

726
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>whole interview. See this, there is some bullshit stuff in here.

727
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>So he rounded up the whole interview by telling the

728
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>police not to bother bearing the girls too deeply because

729
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 1>he was going to dig them back up as soon

730
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>as he was released anyway. Yeah, see that's bullshit.

731
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>That is.

732
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>So back to his evaluation, anatotally suffered from a form

733
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 1>of pard schizophrenia and was unfit to stand trial, but

734
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>he was also unfit to be released back to the public.

735
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>He was sentenced to a psychiatric hospital to receive treatment

736
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 1>until he was either well enough to go to court

737
00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>or be released. In twenty thirteen, his stay was extended.

738
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>It continued to be extended until twenty eighteen. This was

739
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 1>when his doctors claimed that Anatole was no longer a

740
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>danger to society and petitioned to have him released. He

741
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.559
<v Speaker 1>would still be receiving care and would have to live

742
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>at home with his parents, but he'd be free and

743
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>able to roam the streets again. This came on top

744
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 1>of a petition from Anatole's lawyers, who claimed that Anatole

745
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 1>almost unbelievably was requesting to leave the facility because he

746
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't They wouldn't let him get married someone somewhere with

747
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>his face plastered all over the news for his horrible crimes.

748
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 1>A twenty five year old linguistic student had seen something

749
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.639
<v Speaker 1>in him that she liked. She and Anatole had become

750
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 1>pen pals, and through the years they had turned that

751
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 1>into a friendship, which had then turned into a romantic interest.

752
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.320
<v Speaker 1>That was about as far as they could go. When

753
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Anatole was still in a psychiatric hospital and considered to

754
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>have a mental illness. No comments there.

755
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I do have comments that I'm just waiting for you.

756
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have covered cases where this sort of

757
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>thing happens. It seems like people sometimes almost get an

758
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 1>obsession with some criminal when they go to jail and stuff. Right.

759
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, and actually, I don't know if you realized

760
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>how much this has been paralleling the greyhound bus murder,

761
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the beheading. I can't remember the individual, but he was schizophrenic,

762
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 2>did not take his medication, had the incident on the bus,

763
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>was hearing voices and all the shit. Yeah, went to court,

764
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>was not criminally negligent, went to psychiatric care and was

765
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>eventually released, and there was an outcry from public over it. Now,

766
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>he brutally murdered someone and was willingly off his medication.

767
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>The difference between that and this This individual will didn't

768
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 2>harm any living person.

769
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>But still he harmed the loved ones, Yes.

770
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Very much.

771
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 3>So.

772
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:14.440
<v Speaker 2>He desecrated graves. Yeah, and it was emotional damage to

773
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 2>loved ones. That's not a crime. However, physically everyone can

774
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>still walk and talk and go about with their day,

775
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So I believe this is

776
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a classic case where someone can be rehabilitated and be

777
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 2>reintroduced into society wholeheartedly. I do. I believe he should

778
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:40.679
<v Speaker 2>be released on certain conditions. Medication, care checkups. Definitely. You're

779
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking not allowed to go to.

780
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Graveyards heck no, yeah, or really be around like children, probably,

781
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

782
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if anything of those is breached, then he's

783
00:40:53.320 --> 00:41:00.199
<v Speaker 2>going back into care. That is my thoughts. I don't

784
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>think that anyone is undeserving of love, whether you commit

785
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 2>a horrific crime or not. I really don't, because that

786
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 2>could bring you out of whatever dark place you were in.

787
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>M hm.

788
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>So these two finding each other, Hey, good for them.

789
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean there was quite an age difference between them.

790
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if we if fucking Charles Manson found his bride,

791
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 2>his his fucking his one. Hey, good for Charles Charles Manson.

792
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad he has someone. He's still a fucking piece

793
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of shit, but hey, he's got someone. Maybe it'll better him.

794
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean sometimes I actually love ken better people. Yeah,

795
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>it can make it. Sometimes it can make them worse too,

796
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 1>So there's a flip side to everything.

797
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that someone can find that in someone.

798
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it would have been on her to

799
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>reach out to him, right.

800
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And beauty is in the eye to beholder one

801
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 2>way or another, so.

802
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 1>I think there was often to say on that. There

803
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>were some articles as well that said that she'd had

804
00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>even gone to his trial.

805
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean good for them.

806
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he had reached out to his lawyers. He

807
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted to move to Moscow and marry his girlfriend. Of course,

808
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the victims' families shared their concerns, with the press putting

809
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 1>on the pressure to keep him locked up, and before

810
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>anyone knew it, Anatotally's petition was under consideration once again,

811
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>though it was ultimately determined that anatotally stay at the

812
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.440
<v Speaker 1>hospital would be extended and he would not be released.

813
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>And so, as far as I can tell, that's where

814
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 1>he still is today. But sometimes I feel like, especially

815
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>in situations like this, they may be released and not

816
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>even be notified. Yeah, the public too, right, because he

817
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 1>could be in danger if he is put out. So

818
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.519
<v Speaker 1>but as far as I can tell, he still is

819
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 1>away for now.

820
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I think the best case scenario would be that he

821
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.199
<v Speaker 2>does not ever get a full release. I think, like, yeah,

822
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>it's day passes, like, hey, you can go out to

823
00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>your thing. With all these stipulations you have to check

824
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>in and you have someone follow you whatever, and you

825
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>leave at eight, you're back by four something like that

826
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>or nine to five whatever.

827
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Like, I definitely think being out in the

828
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 1>daylight would be better if he was kind of not

829
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>out at night, because at night you could kind of

830
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>get away with things in graveyards more so.

831
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, and like you say, not around children or anything,

832
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>because he clearly has a thing with children. And if

833
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.199
<v Speaker 2>grave robbing didn't work, hey, maybe abducting would. Oh my gosh,

834
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>So we would want to make sure there are all

835
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.280
<v Speaker 2>those risks taken care of.

836
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is kind of my thought here. Okay,

837
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>So I do think in rare instances, people who have

838
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>committed crimes do have the power to change and be rehabilitated.

839
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 1>But for that to happen, I think remorse for their

840
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>actions does need to be shown. Yes, and Anatoly doesn't

841
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 1>have any remorse for his actions.

842
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, If he doesn't, then, yeah.

843
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>He refuses to apologize to the victims families. In twenty twenty,

844
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>he said, these girls are girls. There are no parents.

845
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>In my view, I don't know any of them. Besides,

846
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>they buried their daughters and this is where I believe

847
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 1>their rights over them finished. So no, I would not apologize.

848
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, he's.

849
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 1>One more earlier. He told the parents you abandon your

850
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 1>girls in the cold, and I brought them home and

851
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 1>warmed them up, which honestly makes my blood like boil. Yeah,

852
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like that's brutal, it is. And this is years

853
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 1>after he did this shit too.

854
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 2>He's not over his schizophrenia. He's still got this point

855
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>of view of they are talking to me, they need

856
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 2>my help, and I'm going to bypass the law and

857
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 2>clearly these parents to do so. Yeah, so if he

858
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 2>can ever get over that, then I may advocate for

859
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>him to potentially be released. Uncertain, Yeah we can't. Yeah,

860
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.079
<v Speaker 2>wholeheartedly agree with.

861
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>You, because I mean initially he basically was like, don't

862
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>bury them too deeply. Now he's not apologizing to the

863
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.880
<v Speaker 1>family and he's basically accusing them for leaving them in

864
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the cold, Like that's not okay, that's not okay. He

865
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>needs to have remorse for what he's done.

866
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, definitely, definitely why did you let me

867
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>go on a rent like that? Saying I fucking advocate

868
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 2>for him? And then you're like, actually, he's a piece

869
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 2>of shit, and I'm just like, wow, well now I

870
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 2>feel like a complete douche Canado.

871
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, that's I had to let you get your words

872
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>out right.

873
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but all I need to do is let you

874
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 2>talk for another minute, and my whole theories and shit

875
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:37.840
<v Speaker 2>would have changed.

876
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Well anyway, I'm sure people enjoyed it so rightfully. So

877
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the victims' families claim that there'll be no peace for

878
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 1>them if he does ever get released. One of the victims,

879
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was one of the first victims.

880
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 1>She was aged ten when anatolely dug her up and

881
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>this little girl had been murdered. So to say that

882
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>her family had already been through enough would be an understatement.

883
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Her mother didn't realize that on a regular basis, she

884
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>was visiting her daughter's grave, but yet her daughter's remains

885
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.679
<v Speaker 1>were no longer there. She's been quoted to say, I

886
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 1>am also very afraid that he will go back to

887
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the old ways. I have no faith in his recovery.

888
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 1>He's a fanatic. She fears he will find her daughter

889
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>once again and they will have to do this all

890
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>over again, go through this hell all over again. She said,

891
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>my health is failing me, and I don't think I

892
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.360
<v Speaker 1>can face this. I do not want tragic events. Life

893
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>is tough anyway. Now, she has consistently been opposed to

894
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 1>his release and would be happy to know he will

895
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>spend his life in the hospital forever. That is what

896
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:54.519
<v Speaker 1>she wants. And then Anatole's parents have also suffered. Apparently

897
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>they now have to live in isolation with a community

898
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.519
<v Speaker 1>that has turned on them. The wife even suggests that

899
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.280
<v Speaker 1>they perhaps kill themselves, but her husband refused. They're both

900
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 1>in unhealthy states.

901
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

902
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>So I mean that's the other thing. This has affected people,

903
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 1>even his parents, in such horrible ways. And but yet

904
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 1>he's not really like remorseful. So is he healed? Like,

905
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>is he actually rehabilitated.

906
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>No, if he's not remorseful, he's not. And that's that's

907
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 2>the key. He needs to get the help he needs

908
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.639
<v Speaker 2>to get there. And if he can't get that help

909
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 2>or he can't get there, then that's a boundary he's

910
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>never going to be able to overcome.

911
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

912
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>And I just at the end there, when you were

913
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>talking about his parents, I just realized the irony in

914
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>this whole case, because he's talking about wanting to have

915
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.920
<v Speaker 2>a family wanting to find children right, bring them home,

916
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and he wants to be the best for his children.

917
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 2>So he wants a family, yet he turned his back

918
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 2>and his actual family. He wants the perfect children, and

919
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>he was probably the worst of what a child could be.

920
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean I can't imagine. I mean, for

921
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>many years he probably was okay, but it's like, I

922
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.400
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine what they're going through now.

923
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>But his relation his acts as a child drove his

924
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>parents to have a conversation if they should kill themselves

925
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>or not. Yeah, what kind of child does that?

926
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's really sad.

927
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he should have thought about what he was like

928
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 2>as a child to his parents before he was looking

929
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>for his own.

930
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean one of the articles did say they

931
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.159
<v Speaker 1>were still living in that same spot, so the parents

932
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 1>do need to probably move. But I mean there would

933
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>be old They would be quite older at this time too.

934
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

935
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there you go.

936
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That's a case in a half. I had a lot

937
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 2>of opinions on that one. Sorry for that.

938
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 1>You did actually have a lot of opinions. And sorry,

939
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.119
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I fumbled a little bit, But I

940
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 1>have some pain in my neck that I'm dealing with

941
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's distract I had a mole removed today and

942
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>it's actually hurting. I should have taken smibie profen.

943
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 2>You should have so you have you have, you have

944
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 2>good courage.

945
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

946
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Help.

947
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Then at one point I just stop them and like

948
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:05.119
<v Speaker 1>just take take a second, and I just.

949
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Like touk giants chugged half the cam.

950
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's interesting when you have like a little distraction,

951
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>how it can distract you even more.

952
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeahh no, I get that. Like out of the corner

953
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:18.679
<v Speaker 2>of my eye, I just see a little little.

954
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Husky, little honeybee, little.

955
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Honey curled up, sleeping away.

956
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 1>She's so sweet. It's ridiculous.

957
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>She's fitting to her family.

958
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Great. Oh yeah, it's ridiculous. How well she's fitting in here.

959
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If you are part of our Patreon or anything

960
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.679
<v Speaker 2>like that or social media, think you put it on

961
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Instagram a couple of times even.

962
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Once I think, yeah, we've only put one post a

963
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 1>lot that was something actually in the giveaway. A lot

964
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 1>of people want to see more and hear more with

965
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:41.199
<v Speaker 1>the dogs.

966
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if you might have seen them snuggling. But

967
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 2>people also we also asked our patrons what sort of

968
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff they want to see over on Patreon little more.

969
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 2>They really want to see like vlogs, so behind the scenes,

970
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 2>like video more of that. So those are gonna be

971
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>coming down the pipe here pretty quick. I think I

972
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>need to get in a coal to be ready in

973
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:57.559
<v Speaker 2>front of the camera.

974
00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, two things. First of all, today you have

975
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.679
<v Speaker 1>some freaking facial reactions that were unbelievable, and I'm sure

976
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.320
<v Speaker 1>people would probably have loved to see those. But also

977
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times when we're podcasting, like I look

978
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 1>like a piece of shit. Well, so then I have

979
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to like look nice, well and presentable all the time.

980
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking vlogs right now. Oh, we don't have the

981
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>cameras set up positions for like actual filming podcasts just yet.

982
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully in a few months to come. Maybe that's in

983
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the near future at least, we don't know. But for now,

984
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>we can definitely do vlogs for sure.

985
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, well.

986
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Logs and live streams maybe that sort of stuff.

987
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Will we be doing a vlog when we go to Tafino, Oh,

988
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 1>because I think we've already mentioned this, but we're we're

989
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 1>bringing both puppers with us, which is going to be

990
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 1>a shit show and a half.

991
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'll be fun.

992
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Because it's literally about a thirteen or fourteen hour drive

993
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>for us to get there. Yep, with two young huskies.

994
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 2>We are stopping overnight on the way there and back.

995
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 1>We are ye not being total assholes to them.

996
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>But we got to stop by Taco Fino. We gotta

997
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 2>put another sticker on the truck. Oh yeah, if you

998
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.079
<v Speaker 2>guys are ever into Fino and you stop by the

999
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 2>food truck Taco Fino, it's covered in stickers. There's currently.

1000
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Nicole was there last summer and put a sticker of

1001
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Jacko on.

1002
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>The side when I had put a sticker on at

1003
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the brewery there too on the door.

1004
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should uh maybe put the Do we put Gothic?

1005
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Gothic and grim one?

1006
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Do we have stickers right now?

1007
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 2>We got a few, I think kicking around.

1008
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 1>If not, we better get some order here.

1009
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess. Eh, Holy shat, holy shiat indeed.

1010
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, anyway, thanks so much for listening to this

1011
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 1>rigging roller coaster. It wasn't quite as bad as the Donnelly's.

1012
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, you didn't say orgasms.

1013
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 1>It's a badism, so shit. Yeah, I should have threw

1014
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 1>that in there next.

1015
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Time, next time. On wicked and grim. Nicole's is orgathering

1016
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:54.280
<v Speaker 2>every five seconds. Oh wow, that would be a case

1017
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 2>and a half. Wow. But yeah, so we appreciate you

1018
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:00.400
<v Speaker 2>guys being here. You guys literally make this an absolutely

1019
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 2>incredible experience for us. I know, every podcast episode, I'm

1020
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:05.599
<v Speaker 2>always thanking you saying how awesome you are.

1021
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 1>But we really actually mean it.

1022
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 2>We do. It's not a scripted segment. We just we

1023
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 2>say it because we mean it, and I always say

1024
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>it because Nicole has always had a loss for words

1025
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and she just looks to me to say it because

1026
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm better with it. Again, I don't know, you just

1027
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of have Hey, you said you give us a

1028
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 2>wrap up this time.

1029
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, the wrap ups are hard because you legitimately

1030
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>do them every time.

1031
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just say it. So you just said

1032
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I just do it, So you can just do it.

1033
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Go go for it. I believe in you.

1034
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, now i'd be like I'm being passive, but honestly,

1035
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.400
<v Speaker 1>pressure we literally do appreciate every one of you, whether

1036
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 1>you're like a patron or a listener, we just appreciate you.

1037
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 1>And you can find us on the website. I don't

1038
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>even know what our website is. Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, The

1039
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Wicked What are we? The Wicked Life, The Wicked Life.

1040
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're doing great, keep going.

1041
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I don't even know how you in this.

1042
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, if you want to learn more about us,

1043
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>find us on Facebook, Instagram, you can gmail us.

1044
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 2>We do you want me to just do it? You

1045
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 2>can email us. All right, I got it, I got it.

1046
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>You did great. Next time maybe next time, Okay, okay, okay.

1047
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 2>We appreciate you guys here, guys are absolutely incredible. Thank

1048
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you so much for being here. If you want to

1049
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 2>check out any of our social media link down below.

1050
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 2>We have Instagram, Facebook, website, YouTube, you name it. You

1051
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 2>can of course gmail us, send us an email. You

1052
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>can give us a rating on Spotify, you can give

1053
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>us a rating on Apple. Podcast that goes a long way.

1054
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>We seeeriously appreciate it. And like we already talked about

1055
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of this episode, there will be another

1056
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.760
<v Speaker 2>exclusive episode being dropped on Patreon this very day, and

1057
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a whole library over there you can check out

1058
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 2>exactly a lot of behind the scenes. You can go

1059
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 2>check out there, or you can just stay here just

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<v Speaker 2>keep listening to episodes like this and next one too,

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<v Speaker 2>because we appreciate you all just the same, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how you support us, it means the world. So thank you, good.

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<v Speaker 1>God, good work. See that's the problem. It's like your job.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, here is a prop. This is like

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<v Speaker 1>your job.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my job.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, you're just good at this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking, just saying things.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. Ben's awesome, You're awesome. We're all awesome and until

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<v Speaker 1>next time. No, you're all wicked, wickedly awesome. Until next time,

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<v Speaker 1>stay wicked.