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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects, and this episode will be
Speaker 3: continuing off this three part series of Jamachia, numerology, and ciphers.
Speaker 3: In the first episode, we pretty much went over Hebrew,
Speaker 3: English and Greek. Jamatra covered Jamatria, and then we also
Speaker 3: went into numerology and what was that word again, I'm so.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's a hard word.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying that one right now. We got plenty,
Speaker 3: I got plenty of them coming ahead of it and
Speaker 3: my notes, so uh yeah, we covered that and kind
Speaker 3: of I think just gave a basic understanding of like,
Speaker 3: you know, what's going on with Jamachi and numerology and
Speaker 3: how it matches up you know, Alpha numerically. And in
Speaker 3: this episode we're going to try to kind of go
Speaker 3: over and cover older stuff. You know. I think in
Speaker 3: this series, as me and Lisa were kind of I
Speaker 3: guess creating it, you know, because I think it kind
Speaker 3: of took on its own, its own thing. By now
Speaker 3: this was going to be like one episode and now
Speaker 3: it's turning into three. But at some point we started
Speaker 3: like coming across like older and older things, and like
Speaker 3: some of them I had heard of already and forgot about.
Speaker 3: But I remember being brought up in occultism and amongst
Speaker 3: the cult communities and circles, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I was like, suck going back to that,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think when I started looking more
Speaker 3: into the people who were responsible for writing these books
Speaker 3: that I had heard of, I was just like, damn,
Speaker 3: Like they're rather influential and kind of important and almost
Speaker 3: kind of like maybe Goddess where we are now in
Speaker 3: some ways, you know. And these people believed in jamatria,
Speaker 3: they believed in numerology, they believed in ciphers, they believed
Speaker 3: in energy, numerical value letters, you know, and they wrote
Speaker 3: stuff on all that, and I think, you know, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting to see people that were into that,
Speaker 3: how deep it goes, and what they accomplished. And I
Speaker 3: think that says something right there in a sense. So
Speaker 3: we're gonna kind of go over some of older things
Speaker 3: and older people, older books, older texts. We're gonna show
Speaker 3: a bunch of slides, just like the first episode, and
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure the next one. For people listening, I
Speaker 3: highly suggest to check out the video. I think you'll
Speaker 3: get more out of it, but I'm sure if you
Speaker 3: listen you'll still you get something. But I think the
Speaker 3: visuals definitely help. And I guess we'll get going if
Speaker 3: you want. Lisa, and I know that you're going to
Speaker 3: be starting it off.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're gonna kind of start off back on
Speaker 1: where I left off with the timeline on the first
Speaker 1: episode and discuss libra abaci. So libra abaci, I believe
Speaker 1: that's how you say it, So just her warning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Abachi abachi whatever, Yeah, hbachi. Now that makes me hungry,
Speaker 1: so you just drop right, it's yeah and it's haabachi.
Speaker 1: See there you go. Who would have known. So it's
Speaker 1: also known as the Book of Calculation, and it is
Speaker 1: a very historic manuscript on arithmetic written by the Leonardo
Speaker 1: of Pisa in twelve o two. Now this Leonardo at
Speaker 1: Pisa is later going to be known to us as Fibonacci.
Speaker 1: Leonardo was the son of a merchant and he traveled
Speaker 1: a lot with his father all over the Mediterranean and
Speaker 1: the Middle East. And I believe it was when he
Speaker 1: was in India that he came to study the Hindu
Speaker 1: Arabic numeral system, which would later play into this man manuscript,
Speaker 1: the Librabaci. So Libra Abaci is considered as one of
Speaker 1: the first Western books written to describe the Hindu bear
Speaker 1: Arabic numeral numeral system using symbols that look like modern
Speaker 1: Arabic numerals, and in fact, that is the numeral system
Speaker 1: that we use today. So a little bit on the
Speaker 1: spelling of Librabaci is that sometimes you'll see that the
Speaker 1: book is translated to as the Book of Abacus, and
Speaker 1: that's not correct something. And I think because you see
Speaker 1: the word abachi, it looks like abacus, and you think
Speaker 1: automatically that it's abacus. And at the time when it
Speaker 1: was written, abacus was used to refer to calculations in
Speaker 1: any form. But when Leonardo wrote it, he spelled it
Speaker 1: with a double b abb A c I and used
Speaker 1: the two b's in the original manuscript, and that denoted
Speaker 1: that the calculations he was referring to in that manuscript
Speaker 1: was specifically using the Hindu Arabic numerals. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why all this is really important because you're thinking, like,
Speaker 1: why are we discussing this. So this book discusses methods
Speaker 1: on doing calculations without the use of the abacus. It's
Speaker 1: been described as a very thorough write up on the
Speaker 1: Hindu Arabic numerals, algebraic methods, problems advocated, and so forth.
Speaker 1: And they use specifically the digits zero through nine. And
Speaker 1: this is something that's kind of found throughout with all
Speaker 1: the Semitic languages and then the languages that evolved from there. So,
Speaker 1: just for context, going back to the timeline, up until
Speaker 1: this time, around the twelve hundreds, Europe is still using
Speaker 1: the Rome ral numerals, and all the advancements and modern
Speaker 1: mathematics were kind of stalled and it was proving impossible
Speaker 1: to evolve beyond that. Now, with the book Librabachi, it
Speaker 1: addressed the mathematical applications that could be used for both
Speaker 1: commercial tradesmen and mathematicians, and it just proved that it
Speaker 1: was superior to the one that was being used at
Speaker 1: the time. But here's the I guess the conflict on
Speaker 1: that that while it served to contribute to the decimal numerals,
Speaker 1: Liberbaci was the pivotal moment in history when the modern
Speaker 1: world at that time switched from an alphanumerical system to
Speaker 1: now Arabic numerals. So when we talked about how Hebrews
Speaker 1: or Jewish mysticism or Greek isosophy were using or pairing
Speaker 1: the alphabet with numbers and using them interchangeably, that was
Speaker 1: taking on on a life of its own. With the
Speaker 1: writing or with the publication of librar Abaci, the Western civilization,
Speaker 1: modern world of that time decided to make the switch,
Speaker 1: and that's why we don't use alpha numeric systems today
Speaker 1: because of the switch over during this time. And you had,
Speaker 1: you know, your dissonance. Like the people that were following,
Speaker 1: you know, the old way were the Abbassists, and they
Speaker 1: didn't want to change over. But the people that were
Speaker 1: going to change over to this new Librabacci were became
Speaker 1: known as the Algorithmists, which I thought that was weird,
Speaker 1: the whole algorithm algarthmists. So I think it's important to
Speaker 1: make a mental note of this with the Fibonacci manuscript.
Speaker 1: So around this time twelfth thirteenth century, imagine everybody's talking
Speaker 1: to each other. The Jewish mystics, the Greek people, the Arabics,
Speaker 1: all of them are talking to each other and they're
Speaker 1: kind of having like a mini pre party to the Renaissance.
Speaker 1: So Renaissance started like fourteenth century or whatever, but everybody's
Speaker 1: talking to each other. You're seeing all of these like
Speaker 1: really great texts come out of Spain, Italy, Egypt, Greece,
Speaker 1: Middle East, and it's some of the most extensive texts
Speaker 1: even today on Jewish mysticism, Greek isosophy, and Arabic Islamic mysticism.
Speaker 1: So when this happens and you have this adoption of
Speaker 1: a new system, this system seems to go away or
Speaker 1: almost underground and it's almost it kind of sets it
Speaker 1: up nicely that now only a select few know of
Speaker 1: alpha numerical systems, and the rest of the world takes
Speaker 1: off in a totally different direction with this separation of
Speaker 1: the alphabet and the numbers. So it and I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. I think so. And the main
Speaker 1: part about it is that most of these people that
Speaker 1: were combining the alphabet together with numbers, they were talking
Speaker 1: about how it was a way to have a direct
Speaker 1: path to speak with God or the divine and now
Speaker 1: by separating the two, you're almost launching into a new
Speaker 1: way of a like a centralized middle man operation of
Speaker 1: you have to come through me to talk to God,
Speaker 1: you can't do it on your own, or at least
Speaker 1: that's how I'm interpreting it. With all this, I know
Speaker 1: it's just a switching of mathematics, but I think it
Speaker 1: was so much more well in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it even seems to like, you know, thinking
Speaker 3: about stuff that we have you know, shown each other
Speaker 3: and sent each other and looked at and just conversations
Speaker 3: about like like kind of like things like that happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, going back to we were talking about like
Speaker 3: Phoenician language and then like how that's split off into like.
Speaker 1: Three three different ones, you know, and then.
Speaker 3: Like you're talking about now again the separation of you know,
Speaker 3: I guess letters and numbers from each other. Absolutely, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just like you see, I guess you can see
Speaker 3: a constant like separation and split off maybe from the
Speaker 3: one original source, I guess. But I think I'm not
Speaker 3: saying original. I'm just saying no, no.
Speaker 1: No, But you said it perfectly. There's a schism and
Speaker 1: it's here. Yeah. And now with like social media, you're
Speaker 1: seeing all of this Fibonacci over and over again, and
Speaker 1: it's like are they launching us into a new system again?
Speaker 1: I mean it almost is like are we going through this,
Speaker 1: you know, all over again? And I think I mentioned
Speaker 1: to you it was like a side fact was that
Speaker 1: the Fibonacci you know, sequence is used to like denote
Speaker 1: patterns and nature and leaf growth and tree growth and
Speaker 1: what have you. And if you believe in fossils, if
Speaker 1: you look at some of the old fossils, the old
Speaker 1: trees and leave systems do not follow the Fibonacci sequence.
Speaker 1: So I thought that's kind of it's kind of something
Speaker 1: to kind of mention as a side thing. So you
Speaker 1: have this happening around early twelve hundreds, and I think
Speaker 1: that's important to kind of keep in mind. Okay, everything
Speaker 1: was kind of merging, everybody was talking to each other.
Speaker 1: Then you have this happened. Okay, so switching gears to
Speaker 1: the Arabic side of it all.
Speaker 3: You know. And I do think that's just I hate
Speaker 3: to interrupt you, this might even be something that you're
Speaker 3: going to say yourself. I do think when it comes
Speaker 3: through stuff like this, even with occultism and magic, there
Speaker 3: is not enough eyes on Arabic shit.
Speaker 1: I agreed.
Speaker 3: I think that's for a reason. I even do think
Speaker 3: this is just my opinion, just my theory, but I
Speaker 3: even do think that might be some of the more
Speaker 3: deeper embedded secrets inside the OTO might be kind of
Speaker 3: awe from that. That's just my opinion, and I think
Speaker 3: it's just interesting. It's even something that me and you
Speaker 3: had noticed, even getting into this stuff, you actually don't
Speaker 3: have a ton of info on that stuff like you
Speaker 3: do with everything.
Speaker 1: Else, right right, No, I agree.
Speaker 3: But yet some of the oldest stuff you can find
Speaker 3: from there, Yeah, no, it's translations of that stuff of.
Speaker 1: Arabic I mean, it could be and I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned it. It could be an artifact of the fact
Speaker 1: that most of the Arabic stuff hasn't been translated to
Speaker 1: you know, English or a language that most other civilizations utilize.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, why not, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything else has been translated, you know, why why.
Speaker 3: The if they understood this is just my opinion. When
Speaker 3: you want to start talking about letters and possible equaling
Speaker 3: symbolism or energy and this and that, just this is
Speaker 3: my opinion. If you decided to call your own language Arabic,
Speaker 3: starting it with an A, you're already making a statement
Speaker 3: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think so, I think so yeah.
Speaker 3: Same thing, and just not to the same thing with
Speaker 3: India or Indian. I even think, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of mysticism in that that I think is misunderstood.
Speaker 3: And I even think the I again is even playing
Speaker 3: into saying something making a statement about that.
Speaker 1: Well, remember we discussed how like when they were forming
Speaker 1: these letters, they were wanting it to sound like what
Speaker 1: it looked like.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, so okay, sorry.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're good. This is really good. I'm
Speaker 1: glad because it plays into what I'm going to say
Speaker 1: in a little bit so Abajad numerals, I want to
Speaker 1: discuss Abajod numerals before I get into a book, to
Speaker 1: kind of give you a little bit of back history,
Speaker 1: because they didn't spend a whole lot of time on
Speaker 1: the timeline, and like Nick was saying, it's very important
Speaker 1: that we cover this, and not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: people were covering it, and so I thought it would
Speaker 1: be interesting to cover so Avajod numerals are akin to
Speaker 1: Hebrew jamatria or Greek isosophe Aod numerals is a decimal
Speaker 1: alphabetical numeral system that was created in the eighth century
Speaker 1: using the alpha numeric code by using the twenty eight
Speaker 1: letters of the Arabic alphabet, and they assigned them to
Speaker 1: numerical values. And we saw this with with the Hebrew language,
Speaker 1: and we saw this with the Greek language. The reason
Speaker 1: I found it significant to who mentioned is that this
Speaker 1: ancient numeral system has been found to be encoded in
Speaker 1: the Quran. Again, we saw that it was encoded in
Speaker 1: the Torah and other religious texts, and now you're seeing
Speaker 1: it also being encoded in the religious texts in Islam.
Speaker 1: Abjod and if I'm saying that wrong. I apologize. Abjod,
Speaker 1: which means alphabet, is a bit of an acronym in
Speaker 1: that it derives its first four letters a b JD
Speaker 1: of the Semitic alphabet. And remember we talked about how
Speaker 1: the alphabet started with the proto Kanite and then morphed
Speaker 1: into the Phoenician, like you were saying earlier, and then
Speaker 1: it split into three. It split into the pre Hebrew
Speaker 1: or the Aramic, and then the Greek and then the Arabic.
Speaker 1: So that's where you have your three, which is kind
Speaker 1: of weird that you have that three concept going on again.
Speaker 1: And it numbered the letters one through nine at intervals
Speaker 1: of ten, the same thing with Greek and the same
Speaker 1: thing with the Hebrews. The order of ab j D
Speaker 1: is not of Arabic origin, and if we you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about going through it in the first episode,
Speaker 1: because it the aba Jod numeral system dates back to
Speaker 1: the Phoenician alphabet and can be compared to the Hebrew
Speaker 1: where you have alef Beth, Gimmel Daleth. The Greek has alpha, beta, gamma, delta,
Speaker 1: and then we see that Abajad has a left ba
Speaker 1: jim dahal so it's very similar. I mean it's almost identical.
Speaker 1: And then you have the numbering of them throughout. So
Speaker 1: these Arabic of Jod numerals can be compared and are
Speaker 1: similar to almost all the other types of alpha numerical
Speaker 1: codes in Hebrew and Greek. So in regards to the
Speaker 1: alpha numeric system encoded in the Quran. Going back to
Speaker 1: me mentioning that there is a concept called the mathematical
Speaker 1: miracle of the Quran, which I thought that was interesting
Speaker 1: mm and it shows that every letter word verse in
Speaker 1: the Quran is mathematically linked. It is said that the Quran.
Speaker 1: In the Quran, there are ninety nine attributes or names
Speaker 1: of Allah, with the hundredth being Allah in the Quran,
Speaker 1: and each attribute or name has its own numerical value.
Speaker 1: There was a quote that went on to describe that
Speaker 1: how could an illiterate man who lived fourteen hundred years
Speaker 1: ago have encoded this chapter with Abajad numerals? And I
Speaker 1: put up an example here to kind of give you
Speaker 1: an idea of what I'm talking about. So, the geometrical
Speaker 1: value of all the odd words, the first word, the
Speaker 1: third word, the fifth word, is equal to the geometrical
Speaker 1: value of all the odd letters, which is weird. And
Speaker 1: then if you can do that with the same you
Speaker 1: can do the same thing with the even words, in
Speaker 1: that the geometrical value of all even words is equal
Speaker 1: to that of the grametric value of all even letters.
Speaker 1: It's just weird, Like who would have designed it that way? It,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it was. I don't know it. That's a lot of thought.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of math, for sure. So in Islam
Speaker 1: there is a like you have Jewish mysticism, you have
Speaker 1: Greek or you have Jewish kabbala, you have Greek isoposophy
Speaker 1: or whatever. In the Islamic tradition or Islamic mysticism, there's
Speaker 1: a thing called Sufi or Sufi tradition, and the Sufi
Speaker 1: tradition in these Islamic texts, especially with the Koran words,
Speaker 1: they state that it contains an outward meaning as well
Speaker 1: as a veiled one. Again, the same talk like going
Speaker 1: through going the would be Jewish jamatria. And so these
Speaker 1: hidden meanings reveal a certain truth that's missed when you're
Speaker 1: just reading the surface of the text. And therefore the
Speaker 1: sufis invest like enormous amount of study in these holy books,
Speaker 1: and they go on to say the ninety nine Names
Speaker 1: of God are also a focus to them because they
Speaker 1: believe that this is how that you can access spiritual
Speaker 1: power through contemplating the ninety nine names as well as
Speaker 1: be able to be the go to, like the medium
Speaker 1: person between the two worlds. So yeah, that's that's something
Speaker 1: that I thought that I would show and on this
Speaker 1: graph so you could see how like one and two
Speaker 1: should go along with the Hebrew and the Greek, and
Speaker 1: then how it compares the the Jamatra value and then
Speaker 1: that example with the even number the even number of works,
Speaker 1: it's an even number of letters. So so the significant
Speaker 1: texts that I'm going to talk about is kind of
Speaker 1: a big deal in Islamic mysticism. And it was written
Speaker 1: by Ahmad Alboni and he was an Algerian Sufi scholar.
Speaker 1: Ahmad Albuni authored what would become one of the most
Speaker 1: controversial books for many centuries in the Middle East, and
Speaker 1: I think they quote it as being super dangerous, don't
Speaker 1: read it. It's you know, all kinds of shadow band
Speaker 1: by the Islamic faith. Alboni was a Sophie Muslim theologian
Speaker 1: mystic mathematician and philosopher. I was going to say that
Speaker 1: majority of these people that wrote these texts, they're all mathematicians, right,
Speaker 1: They're all like into math, they know math very well,
Speaker 1: and they're making super contributions. And it's just a side question.
Speaker 1: Are a cultist all occultist great mathemat tis like do
Speaker 1: you have? Is there is there like a requirement that
Speaker 1: you should be well versed in mathematics.
Speaker 4: That's I mean, just from my experience in you know,
Speaker 4: I guess in like the magic, ceremonial magic, and even
Speaker 4: amongst like I guess witchcraft community, there's a there's a
Speaker 4: huge part of people that don't even acknowledge the number
Speaker 4: of stuff anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, I couldn't tell you if they're good at
Speaker 3: math or not because they're not messing with this stuff.
Speaker 1: So it seems like a big, big deal.
Speaker 3: Which, which actually is surprising to me, is like it's
Speaker 3: probably blown off just as much as it is in
Speaker 3: the conspiracy community. Wow. Yeah, But I mean if you
Speaker 3: were to see what they were doing or what they
Speaker 3: thought was magic or what they thought was witchcraft, you
Speaker 3: don't understand why it's so simple minded? Why would you
Speaker 3: even want to start including man, I.
Speaker 1: Mean numbers were everything to these.
Speaker 3: No, just lighting a candle and just asking for, like
Speaker 3: you know, just to get laid or a couple of books.
Speaker 3: You use a couple of fucking oils and a few crystals,
Speaker 3: so you're.
Speaker 1: Only asking for at that point. Oh it's funny, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: So he was born in Buna, Algeria, but spent a
Speaker 1: majority of his life in Egypt. Again, Egypt. It seems
Speaker 1: like some of these great mystics spent a good amount
Speaker 1: of time in Egypt studying, and he practiced Sufiism, which
Speaker 1: is Islamic mysticism, and its focuses on a direct relationship
Speaker 1: with God, understanding existence through spiritual realization, and then they
Speaker 1: search for the life's meaning beyond like the religious narratives,
Speaker 1: so they're taking it above and beyond. I think Sufi
Speaker 1: masters practice the summoning of jins since they have a
Speaker 1: heightened iritual state and allowed them to serve as the
Speaker 1: intermediates between spiritual and earthing RUMs, which I was talking
Speaker 1: about earlier with that book. Interestingly, it's a mixed bag
Speaker 1: when reading the biography of Albuoni. Although a lot's not
Speaker 1: known about him, It's weird because you see many Western
Speaker 1: occultists or magicians regard him as or refer to him
Speaker 1: as a magician. But then you have all these Muslim
Speaker 1: scholars saying no, no, no, he was not a magician. He
Speaker 1: didn't practice magic, he didn't do any of that. He
Speaker 1: just studied it. So you have this very staunch like
Speaker 1: opinion in the Muslim world, whereas the other ones are
Speaker 1: like holding you in high regard as a magician. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was important to mention that, you know,
Speaker 1: you have this kind of bipolar reception of him.
Speaker 3: There was I think there was like issues with that
Speaker 3: kind of one or two other people I'm going to
Speaker 3: read that. I think like they were kind of like praised,
Speaker 3: but then like at times I think there's somebody I
Speaker 3: was going to mention that. I think like the Vatican
Speaker 3: has even banned like their books, or the Catholic Church
Speaker 3: or something that might have two people with something associated
Speaker 3: with that. Yeah, it's like they ended up banning their
Speaker 3: books anyway.
Speaker 1: But which is Yeah, to me, that's that's a promotion
Speaker 1: in my in my mind if a book gets banned
Speaker 1: on buying it. So yeah, and he studied cosmology, alchemy,
Speaker 1: during a time when apparently it wasn't considered magic in
Speaker 1: the Arab world, and mysticism was super popular among the Muslims,
Speaker 1: and it was like one of the ways to achieve
Speaker 1: like a state of unity with the divine. So it
Speaker 1: might have just been like more of a circumstance of
Speaker 1: like what was happening at the time. So so.
Speaker 3: I had also thought of too. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: this is like a stretch, but you know, I think
Speaker 3: it was Blavotsky. I think a few other people had
Speaker 3: even stated that, like you're really the hidden hidden secrets,
Speaker 3: you're actually still not supposed to really put out there technically,
Speaker 3: I think there was something said like that, and like
Speaker 3: going back then when these books are getting banned, just
Speaker 3: this is my opinion, I think people also have more intelligent.
Speaker 1: Thing, oh for sure, So.
Speaker 3: Could this stuff have actually been easier understood that and
Speaker 3: let's say, like maybe there was actually too much in
Speaker 3: it that made sense to the common person. Then well,
Speaker 3: remember we talked about it, why they get banned from
Speaker 3: a church because like, yeah, there's not too much and
Speaker 3: they don't read that, don't need that.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, like we showed how like even in
Speaker 1: graffiti people knew about alphanumeric systems, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're like, can't let these common folk be summoning people.
Speaker 1: We still need them to pay dues every Sunday. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So Albundi goes on to write Libra have Yeah, and
Speaker 1: now I have that song in my head breakout into
Speaker 1: a song that was funny.
Speaker 3: Though before I was like, you know, his wife was
Speaker 3: a redhead, his daughter was kind of slutty, and his
Speaker 3: son played the fool. I was like, hmm, what's album.
Speaker 1: I bet if you looked into it, there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot more there.
Speaker 3: Oh you had the dog too, don't forget the dog. Now.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the song Love and Marriage by Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 3: I know, I know who he's saying that, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if he wrote.
Speaker 1: It or if it's the one that was used.
Speaker 3: Was probably I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll bet you there's a connection with that. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I think that, Okay. Shams al
Speaker 1: Mariv ma Ariv that was my best attempt is also
Speaker 1: known as the Son of Knowledge or the Book of
Speaker 1: the Son of g Nosis, and it's described as both
Speaker 1: a grimore on Arabic magic and a manual to achieve
Speaker 1: esoteric spirituality. So they refer al but Albouni as a
Speaker 1: quasi kabbalistic Sufi chkh who wrote the Shams during his
Speaker 1: time in Egypt. And even though the popularity of the
Speaker 1: Pickatrix is well known and it's super popular, it is
Speaker 1: said that the Shams is the book of magic more
Speaker 1: widely used and regarded as a more influential book of
Speaker 1: its type in the Arab speaking world. And they've even
Speaker 1: compared it to Agrippa's book on occult Philosophy. So I
Speaker 1: think that's a huge stamp of like, wow, that's it's something.
Speaker 1: So Schams has a total of twenty chapters. In the
Speaker 1: first couple of chapters, it explains the mysticism of symbolism meanings,
Speaker 1: letters and numbers, followed by magic squares numerology of the
Speaker 1: abba Jad numerals, and we begin to see that they
Speaker 1: use the Abbajod numerals as a way to establish a
Speaker 1: relationship with the divine by using the numbers in letters,
Speaker 1: because they believe that it has a divine relationship to
Speaker 1: everything else that exists in the world. In the Shams,
Speaker 1: Alboni indicates that by using the specific order and combinations
Speaker 1: of letters and numbers, geometric shapes. The practitioner can cause
Speaker 1: a magical effect powerful enough to influence reality, unlock secrets
Speaker 1: of the spiritual realm, I'm sorry, of the supernatural realm,
Speaker 1: and influence inanimate objects. And I think they're referring to
Speaker 1: like gens and stuff like that here. That's a big claim.
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the book covers astrological influences,
Speaker 1: religious and philosophical concepts, wisdom and rituals, natural theology, and
Speaker 1: secret properties in the ninety nine Names of God. But
Speaker 1: then you get to chapter nineteen and which I found
Speaker 1: significant nineteen because they go on about nineteen in most
Speaker 1: of these texts, how it's a big deal in Islamic mysticism.
Speaker 1: So you get to chapter nineteen, and it's probably probably
Speaker 1: the most it's probably part of the book that's the
Speaker 1: most responsible for its controversy because it actually discusses, as
Speaker 1: the article describes, the Ultimate Guide to Witchcraft, talisman recipes
Speaker 1: and each containing their own combination of letters, numbers, zodiacs,
Speaker 1: geometrical shapes, chronic verses, hymns, and symbols. So it's like
Speaker 1: they say, it's not a recipe book, but some say, no,
Speaker 1: it's a recipe book. You can you can. It tells
Speaker 1: you what to do, and so most of the let's see,
Speaker 1: most of the slides that I'm gonna show next are
Speaker 1: of chapter nineteen. I figured that would be the most interesting.
Speaker 3: No, nothing, if I had, like if I was, I
Speaker 3: guess back then, well now, maybe back then again, people
Speaker 3: were just better at doing things because they didn't have
Speaker 3: stupid shit occupy them with. To me, if I wanted
Speaker 3: to write a book like this and thought I was going
Speaker 3: to have to draw that stuff, I would never even
Speaker 3: do it. I can't.
Speaker 1: Well, I think back then people were like.
Speaker 3: You're making that, sir. That would take me probably months
Speaker 3: because I would take the ship out of it, thinking
Speaker 3: it's not perfect.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just screw it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would never over give up. I'd give up. I
Speaker 3: would just be like, forget it.
Speaker 1: It's not it doesn't look right. I don't like the colors. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it'd have been a nightmare for me to finish. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The book contains tables, prayer charts, and numerical ciphers to
Speaker 1: assists with solving hidden messages in the text. Here, Alboony
Speaker 1: theorized that the twenty eight letters of the Arabic letters
Speaker 1: used in the Quran all have numerical values. So this
Speaker 1: is where you see that the beginning of that theory
Speaker 1: that oh, no, the Quran is is h Quran whatever
Speaker 1: is coded and and all of it has meaning. This
Speaker 1: is where you see it. This text is basically saying
Speaker 1: that it analyzed it, it found it. This is where
Speaker 1: it's at.
Speaker 3: Hence why it's in the episode now.
Speaker 1: Hence wins Yes, yes, exactly, and why I'm spending so
Speaker 1: much time explaining through elaborate charts using letters and numbers.
Speaker 1: Albuni would later be credited as constructing magic squares based
Speaker 1: on the names of God and in accordance with planetary alignments,
Speaker 1: which reminds me of everything you were talking about at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the first episode, and they were.
Speaker 3: Doing it in earlier yeah, correct.
Speaker 1: Correct. It is said that magic squares were already in
Speaker 1: use in places like Iraq and India centuries before the
Speaker 1: publication of the Shams. However, Albuni's work was among the
Speaker 1: first cryptograms developed for Muslims or Muslims only because it
Speaker 1: was written obviously in Arabic inso much the numerical charts
Speaker 1: were written onto the undershirts of soldiers in India, so
Speaker 1: they mean they were even used out in the out
Speaker 1: in the streets.
Speaker 3: So yeah, haven't we even come across that. You might
Speaker 3: have showed it. Maybe you didn't show it like graffiti
Speaker 3: almost kind of.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that and that was in POMPEII where they
Speaker 1: were using alphanumeric codes as political signs as a way
Speaker 1: to throw jabs to Nero who was running for office
Speaker 1: or I don't know, he wasn't running for office. I
Speaker 1: think he was assigned. I thought it was cool that
Speaker 1: that's the way to do it.
Speaker 3: So they were trolling back then. They're trolling with memes
Speaker 3: on wolves.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And here we thought it's a new concept.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 3: Back in the days. Ain't nothing new.
Speaker 1: Where it's just recycling ship. Despite being popular, it has
Speaker 1: a reputation being one of the most suppressed and banned
Speaker 1: books for much of Islamic history. Yet it's held in
Speaker 1: high regard for its legitimacy and use in the occult
Speaker 1: and it's being read and studied into the present day.
Speaker 1: And I believe that there are some scholars in the
Speaker 1: US of occult philosophy that are trying to translate it,
Speaker 1: write books on it, and I guess do an analysis
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's another thing I have noticed. And
Speaker 3: I mean I'm sure I've actually said this before in
Speaker 3: different ways, but coming when it gets to universities and colleges.
Speaker 3: The more and more I'm like researching on certain topics,
Speaker 3: the more I'm finding out how like they are a
Speaker 3: plethora of actual information on some really interesting shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's like, what the.
Speaker 1: Well, if you don't want it, if you don't want
Speaker 1: anybody to read it, just put in a book, because
Speaker 1: nobody reads books anymore. I mean, it's true, they want
Speaker 1: to listen to a video or they want to hear
Speaker 1: it on a podcast, but nobody wants to.
Speaker 3: Reach this stuff that. I mean, you have come across
Speaker 3: where it's like, yo, they're showing this in school lectures. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like you even realize what the hell they're looking at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like that guy who was just explaining the Kabbala,
Speaker 1: You're just like, wow, that's something that you know, I
Speaker 1: thought is something about secret societies or whatever, and he's
Speaker 1: just giving a lecture about it like it was another
Speaker 1: day in June.
Speaker 3: And it's like and and and and not even for nothing,
Speaker 3: but like not to even sound like a dick, but
Speaker 3: it's just like I'm like, yo, if you were to
Speaker 3: take some of those kids and like dump them in
Speaker 3: the middle of a bunch of like Instagram conspiracy theorists,
Speaker 3: they would even be like, yo, you kidding me, Like
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like they did even realize,
Speaker 3: like you think that shit's silly.
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not. But and it's not some kid.
Speaker 3: Who doesn't know anything about conspiracy theories probably yet right,
Speaker 3: actually spit some real shit to these people that think
Speaker 3: they know everything.
Speaker 1: If you if you look at it, it's not at
Speaker 1: no regular you know, community college and nothing against community college, right, No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's no small.
Speaker 3: Universe, well know, places that could come.
Speaker 1: People come out of. And so when we say, well
Speaker 1: are these big wig people do they even know about
Speaker 1: this stuff? Well, hell, they're attending the lectures at these
Speaker 1: universities that are talking about it. They're getting an intro
Speaker 1: when the rest of us are not. I mean, just
Speaker 1: as you know, whatever. So, as I explained earlier in
Speaker 1: the beginning the beginning of the book, Albuni wanted to
Speaker 1: place the hidden aspects of ancient wisdom along with esoteric
Speaker 1: knowledge in one book, and they considered esoteric knowledge as
Speaker 1: the secret nosis to be only understood by a small
Speaker 1: group of people. Large part of the book focused on mysticism, spirituality,
Speaker 1: occult practices, including numerology which is the Aubadja numeral system, alchemy, astrology, magic,
Speaker 1: and folk medicine. Like they have instances where folk medicine
Speaker 1: is inserted within the text of the book, which I
Speaker 1: found pretty interesting as well. Towards the end of the book,
Speaker 1: the author combines all of these topics into a how
Speaker 1: to to be used in rituals. Tell this man creation
Speaker 1: or summoning the supernatural. I think that's probably what they
Speaker 1: didn't like is that he you know, he was Bruce
Speaker 1: lene it. He was telling everybody how it's done, what's
Speaker 1: in the what's in the sauce, And you're like, no, man,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. Yeah, you can't tell people that.
Speaker 1: So reception of the Psalms seems split down the middle,
Speaker 1: and I think kind of beat this to a dead horse.
Speaker 1: But I think what what it basically does is it's
Speaker 1: revealing the fault lines between Islamic mysticism and then religious narrative,
Speaker 1: and it's seen where the two are getting from each other.
Speaker 1: And then again, I think personally it is completely my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think it kind of takes out the middle man.
Speaker 1: If you read this book and you're well versed and
Speaker 1: you can do it, what do you what do you
Speaker 1: need to pay dues for? What do you need to
Speaker 1: go and pay homage to to your aymands or to
Speaker 1: your priests or to your rabbis or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that you become God or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you can grow it yourself in your rockyard.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to say this is the same thing,
Speaker 3: but I guess, you know, I guess I am actually,
Speaker 3: But I mean I think he might have even mentioned
Speaker 3: shoe salesman, which is kind of funny, the whole Albundi thing.
Speaker 3: But you know, even with Alison Crowley with magic and
Speaker 3: theory and practice, you know, his opinion was that, like
Speaker 3: anybody from this book, you know, if you even understand
Speaker 3: like that language. But then again, the books people back
Speaker 3: then may have I don't know, you know what I'm
Speaker 3: saying the way that he spoke, but you know, the
Speaker 3: way it's written then and now, it's just hard to
Speaker 3: even understand. But according to him in that book, his
Speaker 3: intentions was so that anybody could understand magic because he
Speaker 3: did his opinion, he should be available to everybody. You know,
Speaker 3: you know, and it is you know, that's like I
Speaker 3: even said that with a guest on magic experiences or not.
Speaker 3: You know, you might see some people that maybe are
Speaker 3: a little bit more in tune, but nobody's more special
Speaker 3: than the next. Everybody still has in my opinion, everybody
Speaker 3: has the same chance to do it, to experience that
Speaker 3: as the next person. There's no difference in somebody in
Speaker 3: my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I mean it's but like you know, according to him,
Speaker 3: that book was supposed to do that, which I guess, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Cut out in middleman maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know that's a phrase.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that's not trying to like romonel. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I could see that though, like in a sense
Speaker 3: not the middle.
Speaker 1: Man too well. And the thing is because like remember
Speaker 1: when we talked about in the last episode about Greek
Speaker 1: isosophy and how Vatican came down in their Nicea Council
Speaker 1: of Nicea and they're like, anybody that does anything to
Speaker 1: do with isosophy is in direct violation of the State
Speaker 1: Church and will be I don't prosecuted, but you know
Speaker 1: we'll be punished or whatever. And you see this here too,
Speaker 1: where Islam is like absolutely not it had this book
Speaker 1: has everything to do with magic. Magic is one of
Speaker 1: the seven Deadly sins. You're equating some of these gens
Speaker 1: with God and you're now, you know, in communication when
Speaker 1: you should only be talking to God or through Us,
Speaker 1: and I think that's it. You start to see that,
Speaker 1: and then you see that also. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you see it completely in Jewish mysticism, but you definitely
Speaker 1: see it in the Christian faith, and you definitely see
Speaker 1: it in the Islamic faith. So yeah, but so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the things with this book. And
Speaker 1: basically Albuni described how, in terms of the ninety nine
Speaker 1: names of God, what the dimensions and the properties were
Speaker 1: of the alphanumerical systems, and how to how to manipulate them,
Speaker 1: how to use them. He also talked about the power
Speaker 1: associated with it and how many times to recite something
Speaker 1: with a specific number that would grant you access to
Speaker 1: the knowledge or grant your prayer or I mean that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that I think that's all definite, like nobueno for the
Speaker 1: higher ups. And then I think that that was it
Speaker 1: for me? Did I Yeah, I think that was it?
Speaker 3: All right, So thank you very much. That that's hard
Speaker 3: to follow that up.
Speaker 1: No, that's not true.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just gonna like, I mean, I know, we
Speaker 3: kind of explained this a little bit already, but we'll
Speaker 3: kind of like reiterate it a little bit about numerology,
Speaker 3: even though again that's like a word that's like technically
Speaker 3: fairly new, considering the stuff that we're showing is very new.
Speaker 3: You know. Numerology is the belief in a cult, divine,
Speaker 3: or mystical relationship between a number and one or more
Speaker 3: coinciding events. It is also the study of numerical value
Speaker 3: from an alphanumeric system of the letters in words and names.
Speaker 3: I threw in here. Also, the term arithmetsy a rhythmancy
Speaker 3: is derived from two Greek words rhythmos, meaning number and
Speaker 3: I don't know this is in mantilla, however, we say,
Speaker 3: meaning divination, rythmancy is basically the study of divination through numbers.
Speaker 3: Although the word dates to the fifteen seventies, the word
Speaker 3: numerology is not recorded in English before nineteen oh seven.
Speaker 3: Do you think etater Earlier? The sixth century BCE philosopher
Speaker 3: and mystic Pythagoras believe that numbers carried sacred codes and
Speaker 3: were divinely inspired and created. Some alchemical theories were closely
Speaker 3: related to numerology. For example, Persian Arab alchemist Jabir I
Speaker 3: even I just said his name Ibin Hayne, and we
Speaker 3: had mentioned him earlier, we mention him in the last episode,
Speaker 3: and he had another one who was rather young. So
Speaker 3: they do also question if it was not like a
Speaker 3: pen name, if I do remember, yeah, and a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit about him. Supposedly he died around eight
Speaker 3: o six to eight sixteen, and he's the purported author
Speaker 3: of a ton of works in Arabic, often called the
Speaker 3: Jiberian Corpus. The works that survive today mainly deal with
Speaker 3: alchemy and chemistry, magic and Schiite religion's philosophy. The original
Speaker 3: scope of the Corpus was pretty vast and diverse. It
Speaker 3: covered a wide range of topics from cosmology, astronomy, and astrology,
Speaker 3: also had medicine from mycology, zoology and botany botany. I
Speaker 3: mean that's even if you even want to take the
Speaker 3: voyage manuscript at I guess face value or drawing value.
Speaker 3: That is all half the books like plants to begin
Speaker 3: with too.
Speaker 1: So I bet you it's a code.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I like I said, I think at some
Speaker 3: point we'll be covering that and showing it as like
Speaker 3: in parts of parts of our parts Uh to metaphysics, logic,
Speaker 3: and grammar. So there was a lot that this guy
Speaker 3: Uh wrote. Jabier's works contained the oldest known systematic classification
Speaker 3: of chemical substances and the oldest known instructions for deriving
Speaker 3: an inorganic compound from organic substances such as plants, blood,
Speaker 3: and hair by chemical means. His works also contain one
Speaker 3: of the earliest known versions of the sulfur merk theory
Speaker 3: of metals, a mineralogical theory that would remain dominant until
Speaker 3: the eighteenth century. A significant part of Jabir's writings were
Speaker 3: informed by a philosophical theory as the science of the balance,
Speaker 3: which was aimed at reducing all phenomena to his system
Speaker 3: of measures and and quantitative proportions. As early as the
Speaker 3: tenth century, the identity and an exact corpus of works
Speaker 3: of Jabir was in dispute in islam scholarly circles. The
Speaker 3: authorship of all these works by a single figure, and
Speaker 3: even the existence of a historical Jabir or also doubted
Speaker 3: by modern scholars. Instead, Jaber is thought to have been
Speaker 3: a pseudonym used by an anonymous school of Chiite alchemists
Speaker 3: writing in the late ninth and tenth centuries.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Schiites, that was the whole thing between the
Speaker 1: Albuoni and in the Arab world, is that they were
Speaker 1: going back and forth with their mystic texts. So just
Speaker 1: an insert on.
Speaker 3: That, thank you, one of the things he did do.
Speaker 3: The seventy Books, also called the Book of seventy this
Speaker 3: contains a systematic exposition of Giberian alchemy. It is organized
Speaker 3: into seven parts, containing ten treaties each, three parts dealing
Speaker 3: with the preparation of the elixir from animal, vegetable and
Speaker 3: mineral substances, two parts dealing with the four elements from
Speaker 3: a theoretical and practical point of view, and one part
Speaker 3: focusing on the alchemical use of animal substances and one
Speaker 3: part focusing on minerals and metals. It was translated into
Speaker 3: Latin by Gerard of Cremona under the title liber d
Speaker 3: Septuaginta or something like that. By screwing that up, but
Speaker 3: it seemed to I guess, have been important enough for
Speaker 3: someone to try to transcribe it. Yeah, and that was
Speaker 3: back in The person who transcribed it died in eleven
Speaker 3: eighty seven. Oh wow, Yeah, that's a long time. And
Speaker 3: then we'll get on to somebody that I actually remembered
Speaker 3: from I guess my occult studies coming across you know people,
Speaker 3: and that would be Pietro Bongo I'm saying correctly. He
Speaker 3: came from a noble family. He was born and raised
Speaker 3: in Bergamo, Italy. He died on September twenty fourth, sixteen
Speaker 3: oh one. Supposedly he studied the mathematical arts of quadrivium,
Speaker 3: arithmetic and geometry, music theory and astronomy, and philosophy and theology,
Speaker 3: besides classical poetry and the occult sciences of magic and kabbala.
Speaker 3: So it was into it all he met, said the Hebrew,
Speaker 3: Greek and Latin languages in his books. He tried his
Speaker 3: best to reconcile Pythagorean doctrine with Christian theological theology. That
Speaker 3: is another thing I do actually once you mentioned that,
Speaker 3: I find interesting and it really makes me wonder about
Speaker 3: Catholicism really being more of occultism. And it's something that
Speaker 3: I think will probably notice when we do get into
Speaker 3: covering some older grim ras later on down the road
Speaker 3: with the Occult Rejects or the n White Patriots show,
Speaker 3: not sure, not sure which one yet, but eventually a
Speaker 3: lot of them do have a lot of Catholic Catholicism
Speaker 3: mixed into it, a lot.
Speaker 1: Very much so, very much so, very much so. It
Speaker 1: almost reminds me of like the side note that you know,
Speaker 1: like here in like South Texas or whatever, how you
Speaker 1: see the intermix between the old Native American mythos and Catholicism.
Speaker 1: You don't know where one begins and the other one ends.
Speaker 1: I see that a lot with these groom warms.
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. His major work, the Screw This Up the
Speaker 3: Numerum Mysterio was uh and that's I got that up
Speaker 3: right there on the screen was first published in fifteen
Speaker 3: ninety one and received an imprimature, and that is a
Speaker 3: declaration authorizing publication of a book. The term is also
Speaker 3: applied loosely to any mark of approval or endorsement from
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. So stamp of approval by themah, the
Speaker 3: we improved this message. That messed with me up. That
Speaker 3: was good. The book explores the mystical significance of numbers,
Speaker 3: beginning with lengthy discourses on the number one, two, and three,
Speaker 3: and continuing with shorter tracks on significant numbers later in sequence.
Speaker 3: Bongo uses a wide range of sources, including all pagan
Speaker 3: literature and philosophy of classical Greece, Rome, and early Church fathers,
Speaker 3: and in the mainstream Catholic tradition of scholarship, and as
Speaker 3: well as very recent scholarship of his own day. So
Speaker 3: he seemed to have I think, kind of like grabbed
Speaker 3: from different areas. One thing that I did want to
Speaker 3: go over because I did mention before that he studied
Speaker 3: the mathematical arts of drivium or wherever you say that
Speaker 3: in case people are like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3: I thought it was a little interesting. It is from
Speaker 3: the time of Plato through the Middle Ages, the quadrivium
Speaker 3: was a grouping of four subjects or arts, arithmetic, geometry, music,
Speaker 3: and astronomy that formed a second curricular stage, following preparatory work,
Speaker 3: the Trivium, consisting of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. Together, the
Speaker 3: Trivium and the Quadrivium comprised the seven Liberal Arts and
Speaker 3: formed the basis of a liberal arts education in Western
Speaker 3: society until gradually displaced as a curricular structure by the studio.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to say.
Speaker 1: This, himanius y.
Speaker 3: Plus it's like underlined, it's telling me it's spelled wrong,
Speaker 3: and it's later o shoots Beginning with Petriarch in the
Speaker 3: fourteenth century. The seven classical arts were considered thinking skills
Speaker 3: and were distinguished from practical arts such as medicine and architecture.
Speaker 3: These four studies composed the secondary part of the curriculum
Speaker 3: outlined by Plato in the Republic and described in the
Speaker 3: seventh book of that work. So I just thought that
Speaker 3: was interesting to know that, like, even stuff from back
Speaker 3: then that these people are into kind of has made
Speaker 3: its way. But I think just gone in the total
Speaker 3: opposite direction it was supposed to go in. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like down instead of enlightened.
Speaker 1: No, it seemed like everybody was educated and they like
Speaker 1: majored in all these different subjects, and they were fluent
Speaker 1: in so many different things. And now it's like, can't
Speaker 1: even pass math.
Speaker 3: And I just go into Liberal Arts and turn into a.
Speaker 1: Socialist holding signs on the street.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's just so screwed up. Is that. It's like
Speaker 3: it's like they forced you to have to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's true, you know, especially I mean, I mean that's
Speaker 3: my experience, I knowing with colleges out here and stuff.
Speaker 3: I know that, like you know, pretty much any college,
Speaker 3: even if you went to it or whatever, it's like
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to take a Liberal arts first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they do.
Speaker 3: It's like it's already like pushing. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: just sometimes wonder the humanity. IM on to the next person.
Speaker 3: One of my favorites in this actually Anthonasius. I'm sure
Speaker 3: I'm screwing that up with Anthonasius Kircher. He was born
Speaker 3: on the May twid in either sixteen oh one or
Speaker 3: sixteen oh two in uh Geisa, Buchonia near Fulda, which
Speaker 3: I think this was Germany. He attended the Jesuit College
Speaker 3: in Fulda from sixteen fourteen to sixteen eighteen when he
Speaker 3: entered the society. He was taught Hebrew by a rabbi
Speaker 3: in addition to his studies at school. He studied philosophy
Speaker 3: and theology at Paderborn, but fled to Cologne in sixteen
Speaker 3: twenty two to escape advancing Protestant forces. Don't know what
Speaker 3: was going on then. From sixteen twenty two to sixteen
Speaker 3: twenty four, Kircher was sent to begin his regency period
Speaker 3: in Clobe Ends. I'm saying that right as a teacher.
Speaker 3: This was followed by an a Simon to holligs Stunt,
Speaker 3: where he taught mathematics, Hebrew and Syriac back in the
Speaker 3: day sixteen hundreds. You've got people out there who was
Speaker 3: teaching those three and people don't even know, like we
Speaker 3: don't even have to speak one language correctly.
Speaker 1: That was just going to say the only language.
Speaker 3: I'm like thinking to myself, I'm like, you know how
Speaker 3: long it takes me to spell everything correctly? Kind of text?
Speaker 3: It's like I don't he was people listening that have
Speaker 3: text conversations to me like I know what he's doing.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I have like deplorable jan in the
Speaker 3: back of my head saying like he ain't lying.
Speaker 1: That's a shout out to her.
Speaker 3: He was ordained with the priesthood in sixteen twenty eight
Speaker 3: and became professor of ethics and mathematics at the University
Speaker 3: of Wurzburg, where he also taught Hebrew in Syriac. Beginning
Speaker 3: in sixteen twenty eight, he began to show interest in
Speaker 3: Egyptian hieroglyphs. Kircher was also actively involved in the erection
Speaker 3: of the pamph Umphilgy a pimp obelisk, and added hieroglyphs
Speaker 3: of his design in the blank areas. Kircher made use
Speaker 3: of the Pythagorean principles to read hieroglyphs at this obelisk
Speaker 3: and use the same form of interpretation when reading scripture.
Speaker 3: Kircher had an early interest in China, telling his superior
Speaker 3: in sixteen twenty nine that he wished to become a
Speaker 3: missionary to that country. Interesting. In sixteen sixty seven he
Speaker 3: published a treatise whose full title was China Illustrata, which
Speaker 3: means China Illustrated. It was a work of an encyclopedia,
Speaker 3: pretty much combining material from accurate photography, two mythical elements
Speaker 3: such as study of dragons, now again, if it's a cult,
Speaker 3: you know, symbolism or whatever. Yeah, I may not whatever,
Speaker 3: It might just be misunderstanding. The work drew heavily on
Speaker 3: the reports of Jesuits working in China. In particular, Michael
Speaker 3: Boyme and Martino Martini just wanted to make mention that
Speaker 3: I found that interesting that the Jesuits were going over
Speaker 3: to China. I'll they go everywhere. Yeah, it's like the
Speaker 3: damn Mormons, the missions. A mission sounds so cute.
Speaker 1: Normalous, well, when you spoke it that way.
Speaker 3: Kertcher also was sent the Voyage Manuscript in sixteen sixty six,
Speaker 3: What a better year to do it by by Johannes
Speaker 3: Marcus Marcy in the hope of Kircher being able to
Speaker 3: decipher it. In this uh Polographia Novai teen sixty three,
Speaker 3: Kircher proposed that it was an artificial universal language. That's all.
Speaker 3: Like I really got out of what he thought about it.
Speaker 3: Kircher published urs Magna Lucius et Ombre concerning the display
Speaker 3: of images on a screen using an apparatus similar to
Speaker 3: the magic lantern developed by Christian Huygens and others. Kercher
Speaker 3: described the construction of a lamp that used reflection to
Speaker 3: project images on the wall of a darkened room. Although
Speaker 3: Kircher did not invent the device, he improved it in
Speaker 3: suggested methods by which exhibitors could use the device. Much
Speaker 3: of the significance of his work arises from Kircher's rational
Speaker 3: approach towards the the demystification of projected images.
Speaker 1: It's like the beginnings of the holographic you know technology.
Speaker 3: Or even knowing even knowing that, like or if he's
Speaker 3: demystifying it, does that mean that people in mind fucking
Speaker 3: people with it? Ah, or people misunderstood what they're actually seeing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, when he's when you're saying projecting images and
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I'm thinking of the early experiments with
Speaker 1: the eye and trying to look at you know, how
Speaker 1: the lens work. Yeah, so that's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, here we go. Previously, such images had been used
Speaker 3: in Europe to mimic supernatural appearances. Kirtscha himself cites the
Speaker 3: use of displayed images by the rabbis in the court
Speaker 3: of King Solomon. Kurtcha's stressed that exhibitors should take great
Speaker 3: care to inform spectators that such images were purely naturalistic
Speaker 3: and not magical.
Speaker 1: So even back then they didn't they you know, they
Speaker 1: were trying to say, oh, it's not magic, it's not magic.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like yeah, kind of like
Speaker 5: what's still going on today, or that's not what you
Speaker 5: think magic is exactly Kercher.
Speaker 3: He also constructed a magnetic clock, which he explained in
Speaker 3: his Magnus, which came out in sixteen forty one. The
Speaker 3: clock had been invented by another Jesuit, Linus of Liege
Speaker 3: Kircher's patron. I'm saying this correctly. Parisk had claimed that
Speaker 3: the clock's motion supported the Copernican cosmological model, arguing that
Speaker 3: the magnetic sphere and the clock rotated by the magnetic
Speaker 3: force of the sun. Kircher's model disproved that hypothesis, showing
Speaker 3: that the motion could be produced by a water clock
Speaker 3: in the base of the device. The clock has been
Speaker 3: reconstructed by Carolyn Orguru in collaboration with Michael John Gorman
Speaker 3: and is on display at the Green Library at Statford
Speaker 3: Stanford University. So, I mean, I do think this guy
Speaker 3: has come out with some wild stuff too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: The mysteria no, I'm sorry, the Musurgia univalis from sixteen
Speaker 3: fifty sets out Kirch's views on music. He believed that
Speaker 3: the harmony of music reflected the proportions of the universe.
Speaker 3: The book includes plans for constructing water powered automatic organs,
Speaker 3: notations of birds song, and diagrams of musical instruments. One
Speaker 3: illustration shows the difference between the ears of humans and
Speaker 3: other animals. In Forenergia Nova sixteen seventy three, Kertscher considered
Speaker 3: the possibilities of transmitting music to remote places.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: In sixteen three, this guy was talking about transmitting music
Speaker 3: and sounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we have here I'm backtracking a little bit.
Speaker 3: This is the The All Seeing Eye, which was a
Speaker 3: kind of like a thing that was published by Manly
Speaker 3: and edited by Manly Pole. And he had an opinion
Speaker 3: on Athanasius Kurture. Did you see right here? There is
Speaker 3: no doubt that Kercher was assisted by a group of
Speaker 3: very able specialists in various forms of scientific and philosophic research.
Speaker 3: He apparently superintended and edited the writings of these various
Speaker 3: men and then adding whatever remarks he felt would clarify
Speaker 3: the text. He just published the various works in a
Speaker 3: large number of massive tomes folio and in some case
Speaker 3: intricately constructed books if you containing movable charts in diagrams
Speaker 3: consisting of wheels which actively revolved upon the paper, and
Speaker 3: similar curious devices. That's even like another thing, like some
Speaker 3: of the stuff this guy was doing, Like you know,
Speaker 3: it was pretty pretty well books, very advanced. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: should spend in your turn and stuff. Kirtchure included in
Speaker 3: his researches such as such subjects as alchemy, capitalism, cryptography,
Speaker 3: and early geography. One of his books contains a most
Speaker 3: curious map of Atlantis, showing this continent as an island.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt that many of his volumes contain cryptograms,
Speaker 3: few of which have ever been deciphered. For in his
Speaker 3: research he discovered many valuable items of arcane lore which
Speaker 3: he could not safely have published except under the concealment
Speaker 3: of cryptography.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: There is much to indicate that probability, the probability that
Speaker 3: Kerchure was an initiated member of the Roscha Crucian Fraternity,
Speaker 3: which at the time included many eminent Catholic scholars in
Speaker 3: its ranks. Curious Rosicrucion emblems as watermarks in the paper
Speaker 3: of the books which Kircher publish substantiate the theory that
Speaker 3: at least some of his works contain Rosicrucian secrets profoundly
Speaker 3: concealed under a various enigmatical figure. I think can continue
Speaker 3: a little bit more about what he said about it. Yes.
Speaker 3: The most famous of Kirsch's writings is the Odipus Egypticus
Speaker 3: or whatever you say, This damn thing. A monumental achievement
Speaker 3: and usually found in three or four volumes, but sometimes
Speaker 3: appearing in two large folios. This work covers the religions
Speaker 3: in the philosophies of the ancient world, an analysis of mythologies, languages, arts, crafts,
Speaker 3: and sciences, and includes several remarkable attempts to interpret the
Speaker 3: hieroglyphs figures of the Egyptians. The volumes are are illustrated
Speaker 3: with literally thousands of figures, in most cases well drawn. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how he says, the interpretations of the figures demonstrate Kirtcha
Speaker 3: to have been a mystic and a Platonist. Several excellent
Speaker 3: statements are found to be found concerning Pythagoras in his mathematics. Hermes,
Speaker 3: Zoraster and Moses are also treated in an intelligent and
Speaker 3: inspired manner.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: So that's what he had to say about Anthony's Kirture,
Speaker 3: Anthony's Church, whatever you say, his name of it. But
Speaker 3: I just find, you know, he's somebody who was heavily
Speaker 3: into you know, numbers, cryptography, you know, huge into that.
Speaker 3: This is some of the stuff that I'm showing you
Speaker 3: up here. And it's even like you know, showing you
Speaker 3: breakdowns of him, like values of stuff. You know, he
Speaker 3: was very much into the whole idea of like, you know,
Speaker 3: values to letters and ciphers.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Here's another one. You know, who knows if that's like,
Speaker 3: you know, a big type of cipher thing that wheel.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Most of these ciphers are in a circular pattern, which
Speaker 1: I find pretty particular.
Speaker 3: He has like some other ones where it's like showing
Speaker 3: you know, values to things. So the symbols and letters,
Speaker 3: I mean, so this was a guy. I mean, he
Speaker 3: even had in his sixteen sixty five thing. He's got
Speaker 3: the square of Abercate Daber in there. You know, he's
Speaker 3: got the fourth the magic square or four whatever, the
Speaker 3: fourth you know, the magic square fourth, the fourth square. Uh,
Speaker 3: he's got that in there. So here was some of
Speaker 3: the stuff that he did with the maps. This is
Speaker 3: supposedly the one of Atlantis that he drew. I find
Speaker 3: that interesting. That is, Yeah, he was even here entertaining Atlantis.
Speaker 3: He's got the Coptic alphabet there, and like you know,
Speaker 3: values and stuff and you know, or kind of like
Speaker 3: I guess, uh, showing associations with other things. Here's the
Speaker 3: map of China that he did.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah back then, Yeah, how the hell did you even
Speaker 3: know that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it's I would have copied and
Speaker 1: traced it something and said I did it. But that's extensive.
Speaker 1: I mean you would have to look above. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm getting, you know what I mean, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just think it's kind of interesting
Speaker 3: in itself, Like where the hell do we get maps from.
Speaker 1: The weekend with Yeah, with that it only makes from above.
Speaker 3: But I understand how like, yeah, I guess you could
Speaker 3: draw your travels across the you know, against the land,
Speaker 3: but I don't know about all that. All right, moving
Speaker 3: on some more stuff of his again. This is even
Speaker 3: the thing I think I was talking about animal ears
Speaker 3: and regular ears, human ears, the model of the earth's
Speaker 3: internal fires. Thought this was interesting, the medic magnetic clock,
Speaker 3: and now or into since we had mentioned him so
Speaker 3: many times. Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, also Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von
Speaker 3: Nietscheim whatever I'm saying that right, And he was born
Speaker 3: September fourteenth, fourteen eighty six. And he has too died
Speaker 3: February eighteenth, fifteen thirty five. He was a German Renaissance
Speaker 3: polymed physician, legal scholar, soldier feel Elgin, and a cult writer.
Speaker 3: Agrippa's three books of a cult philosophy, published in fifteen
Speaker 3: thirty three, was heavily influenced by Kabbalah, Hermeticism, and neo Platonism.
Speaker 3: His book was widely influential among esoterics of the modern
Speaker 3: of the early modern period, and still is to this thing,
Speaker 3: in my opinion. He was also condemned as heretical by
Speaker 3: the Inquisitor of Cologne. Agrippa was born in Nedesheim, near Cologne,
Speaker 3: to a family of middle nobility. Many members of his
Speaker 3: family had been in service to the House of Habsburn.
Speaker 3: Gripper studied at the University of Cologne from fourteen ninety
Speaker 3: nine to fifteen oh two, and they're saying that that
Speaker 3: was from the age of thirteen to sixty when he
Speaker 3: received a degree of Magister RTM. Now a Magister of Art.
Speaker 3: That's basically what that is, and that is abbreviated with
Speaker 3: M M dot A dot A M or a dot
Speaker 3: M dot, And that just sounds a lot kind of
Speaker 3: like the Freemasons accepted, you know, the FNA and M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it does.
Speaker 3: The degree is usually associated with that of a Minister
Speaker 3: of science. It is likely that Agrippa's interest in the
Speaker 3: occult came from his Albertist influence. Agrippa himself named Albert
Speaker 3: Albert's Speculum specun as, one of the first occult study texts.
Speaker 3: He later studied in Paris, when he apparently took part
Speaker 3: in a secret society involved in the occult. You'll find
Speaker 3: out which one exactly. In fifteen oh eight, Agrippa traveled
Speaker 3: to Spain to work as a mercenary. He continued his
Speaker 3: travels through Valencia, the Belarus, Sardinia, Naples, Avignon, and Lyon.
Speaker 3: He served as a captain in the army of Maximilian,
Speaker 3: the first Holy Roman Emperor, who awarded him the title
Speaker 3: of Ritter, I think it's kind of like Knight. In
Speaker 3: the winter of fifteen oh nine to fifteen ten, Agrippa
Speaker 3: returned to Germany and studied with Johannes Trithemius at Wurzburg.
Speaker 3: On April eighth, fifteen ten, he dedicated the then unpublished
Speaker 3: first draft of the Oculta Philosophia on the Occult philosophy
Speaker 3: in English terms to Trithemius recommended that Agrippa keep his
Speaker 3: occult studies secret. Fun fact, April eighth is also the
Speaker 3: first day of the Bad Agrippa followed Maximilian to Italy
Speaker 3: in fifteen eleven, and as a theologian, attended the Schismatic
Speaker 3: Council of Pisa in fifteen twelve, which was called by
Speaker 3: some cardinals in opposition to a council by Pope Julius
Speaker 3: the Second. He remained in Italy for seven years, partly
Speaker 3: in the service of William the ninth, Marquis of Montferrat,
Speaker 3: and probably occupied in study and teaching theology and practicing medicine.
Speaker 3: During his time in northern Italy, Agrippa came into contact
Speaker 3: with Augustino Ricci and perhaps Paolo Ricci, and studied the
Speaker 3: works of philosophers Marsilio Ficino and Giovanni Pico della Mirandolo,
Speaker 3: and he studied the Cabbala. Side note. Giovanni that I
Speaker 3: just mentioned was an Italian Renaissance nobleman and philosopher. He
Speaker 3: is famed through the events of fourteen eighty six, when,
Speaker 3: at the age of twenty three, he proposed to defend
Speaker 3: nine hundred theses on religion, philosophy, natural philosophy, and magic
Speaker 3: against all like other kind of like church shit. He
Speaker 3: wrote Theoration on the Dignity of Man, which has been
Speaker 3: called the manifesto of the Renaissance and a key text
Speaker 3: of Renaissance humanism and of what has been called the
Speaker 3: Hermetic Reformation. He was the founder of the tradition of
Speaker 3: Christian Kabbala, a key tenant of early modern Western esotericism.
Speaker 3: These nine hundred theses were first printed to a first
Speaker 3: printed book to be universally banned by the Church. I
Speaker 3: think it's just interesting to get an idea of a
Speaker 3: little bit of the people they were influenced there hanging
Speaker 3: in around with them.
Speaker 1: Well, they mentioned Mirondola a lot in some of these texts.
Speaker 1: When they'll they'll cross reference him for some reason, and
Speaker 1: I had not I meant to look him up, but
Speaker 1: they mentioned him a lot.
Speaker 3: And then in fifteen fifteen he lectured at the University
Speaker 3: of Pavia on the commander of Hermes Tris Megistist. But
Speaker 3: these electures were abruptly terminated owing to the victories of
Speaker 3: Francis the First, the King of France. Again, I was
Speaker 3: talking about how he was really known for the Three
Speaker 3: Books of a Cult Philosophy. I have these up on
Speaker 3: the screen showing some of it. I know a little
Speaker 3: bit about it. The Three Books of a Cult Philosophy
Speaker 3: is a Grippa's study of a cult philosophy, acknowledged as
Speaker 3: a significant is acknowledged as a significant contribution to the
Speaker 3: Renaissance philosophical discussion concerning the powers of magic and its
Speaker 3: relationship with religion. The first book was printed in fifteen
Speaker 3: thirty one in Paris, Cologne and in Antwerp, while the
Speaker 3: full three volumes first appeared in Cologne in fifteen thirty three. Excellent.
Speaker 3: The three books deal with elemental, celestial, and intellectual magic.
Speaker 3: The books outlined the four elements, astrology, Kabbalah, numerology, angels,
Speaker 3: names of God, the virtues and relationships with each other,
Speaker 3: as well as methods of utilizing these relationships and laws
Speaker 3: in medicine, scriying, alchemy, ceremonial magic, and origins of what
Speaker 3: are from the Hebrew, Greek, and Chaldean context. Agrippa's interpret
Speaker 3: interpretation of magic is similar similar to the authors Orsilio
Speaker 3: Ficino basically people I mentioned before and Johann Ruxelyn's synthesis
Speaker 3: of magic and religion and emphasize and exploration of nature.
Speaker 3: My opinion, I do think and you know, if there's
Speaker 3: people who are into ceremonial magic, has studied it or whatever,
Speaker 3: I just you know, a lot of people do look
Speaker 3: at this guy and the magic community as kind of
Speaker 3: be in one of the ogs, you know. So there's
Speaker 3: probably a reason for that, not saying that we're all
Speaker 3: getting it correct when we look at this stuff either.
Speaker 3: But you know, and here's just some of the slides.
Speaker 3: I think everyone need to show these again until he
Speaker 3: show that this person wasn't too like you know, numerical
Speaker 3: value and symbols and value again. He's even showing the
Speaker 3: same planetary squares they we were just talking about earlier.
Speaker 3: That was what in the thirteen hundreds in that book.
Speaker 3: You know, again he's showing the same stuff in his Yeah,
Speaker 3: stuff that I even showed in the first episode. Again,
Speaker 3: you know these things do pop up.
Speaker 1: Will they use them over and over?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're using them for a reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, some more stuff. I mean, these things almost
Speaker 3: look like his own languages. And then we go. I
Speaker 3: figured might as well go to the person that he
Speaker 3: learned from. Kind of Johannes is truth to Meus was
Speaker 3: born Johann heiden Heidenberg on the February one, fourteen sixty two.
Speaker 3: When he died December thirteenth, fifteen sixteen. He was a
Speaker 3: German Benedictine abbot and a polymath who was active in
Speaker 3: the German Renaissance as a I don't even know how
Speaker 3: you say this word lexig. How do you say lexo? Yeah, lexographer, yeah, lexographer, chronicler, cryptographer,
Speaker 3: and occultist. He is considered the founder of modern cryptography,
Speaker 3: a claim also shared with Leon Bautista Alberti, and he
Speaker 3: was also big into steganography, as well as the founder
Speaker 3: of bibliography and literary studies as branches of knowledge. He
Speaker 3: had considerable influence on the development of early modern and
Speaker 3: modern occultism. His students included Heinrich Cornelius grit and Para Celsius,
Speaker 3: Para Kelsius. How you say his name? There are theories,
Speaker 3: and I do want to mention this. There are theories
Speaker 3: that Megan covered the Arbitel with me previously in the
Speaker 3: past she covered it pretty well. Has She also theorized
Speaker 3: he may have written the Arbitel, which is another well
Speaker 3: known Yeah, so not that Johannes did, but that Para
Speaker 3: Celsius Celsis did. That he was the one who did.
Speaker 3: When Johannes was still an infant, his father, Johann von
Speaker 3: Heidenberg died, and then his stepfather, whom his mother Elizabeth
Speaker 3: married seven years later, was hostile to education, and Johannes
Speaker 3: could only learn in secret. He learned Greek, Latin and Hebrew.
Speaker 3: When he was seventeen years old, he escaped from his
Speaker 3: home and wandered around looking for good teachers, traveling to Treer, Cologne,
Speaker 3: the Netherlands Heidelberg. He studied at the University of Heidelberg.
Speaker 3: One of the things that he is known for. I
Speaker 3: thought this was kind of like an interesting funny one's
Speaker 3: kind of cover. Trithemius had a reputation as a necromancer.
Speaker 3: The forced legend is strongly based on a legend involving Maximilian,
Speaker 3: his first wife, Mary of Burgundy, and Trithemius. Throughout his
Speaker 3: fifteen oh seven account, Trithemius was the first author who
Speaker 3: mentioned the historical doctor Faustus or Johann Faust of Nittlingen Knittlingen.
Speaker 3: In the letter he wrote to the polymath Heinrich Cornelius
Speaker 3: or Gripper. He appeared to criticize the vanity of Forst,
Speaker 3: who had inferious skills and went against the teachings of
Speaker 3: the Church, being summoned to the Emperor's court in fifteen
Speaker 3: In fifteen oh six and fifteen oh seven, he also
Speaker 3: helped to prove Maximilian's Trojan origins. In the fifteen sixty
Speaker 3: nine edition of his tiss Tish Reddin Martin Luther writes
Speaker 3: about a magician and necromancer understood to be Trithemius, who
Speaker 3: summoned Alexander the Great and other ancient heroes, as well
Speaker 3: as the Empress, the emperor's deceased wife, and Mary of
Speaker 3: Burgundy to entertain Maximilian. And yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 3: know who knows, And you know, see this is again,
Speaker 3: when you have two people that are huge on Cipher's
Speaker 3: and this guy is like, you know, the god of
Speaker 3: this shit, the og of this stuff. How do you
Speaker 3: know if these stories are supposed to be taken as literal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Supposed to be running through cipherful.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, yeah, it might very well be.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, parts of it something. Who knows, you know,
Speaker 3: there might be some play on this. Uh oh man,
Speaker 3: where was I Yeah. In his fifteen eighty five account,
Speaker 3: Augustine lurch lerch Shimer writes that after Mary's death, Tristhimiez
Speaker 3: was summoned to console a devastated Maximilian. Trithimiez conjured a
Speaker 3: shade of Mary who looked exactly like her when alive.
Speaker 3: Maximilian also recognized a birthmark on her neck that only
Speaker 3: he knew about. He was just distraught by the experience, though,
Speaker 3: and ordered him to never do it again. An anonymous
Speaker 3: account in fifteen eighty seven modified the story in a
Speaker 3: less sympathetic version. The Emperor became Charles the Fifth, who,
Speaker 3: despite knowing about the risk of black magic, ordered forced
Speaker 3: this to raise Alexander and his wife from death. Charles
Speaker 3: saw that the woman had a birthmark which he had
Speaker 3: heard about, so you know, again back to the birthmark. Later,
Speaker 3: the woman in Goethe's gowaits Forced became Helen of Troy.
Speaker 3: The story of maximum Million, Mary of Burgundy and the
Speaker 3: Abbot Johannes trith Tritham later appeared as one of Grimm's tales.
Speaker 3: I tried looking for that. I mean, I couldn't find it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and here we're going to get into one
Speaker 3: of his books that I thought was really interesting to cover.
Speaker 3: And I remember this book from back in the day,
Speaker 3: you know, going through grimoires and his old books and
Speaker 3: looking at the stuff with like ciphers or associations and values.
Speaker 3: Stega Nographia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, right, I mean, that's a long word.
Speaker 3: Yes, Steganographia trith to mess most famous work, Steganographia, was
Speaker 3: written around the fourteen ninety nine and published in Frankfurt
Speaker 3: in sixteen oh six. He was placed on the Index
Speaker 3: Librorum Prohibitorium in sixty nine and removed in nineteen hundred.
Speaker 3: This book is in three volumes and about magic, specifically
Speaker 3: about using spirits to communicate over long distances. Since the
Speaker 3: publication of the decryption key, to the first two volumes
Speaker 3: in sixteen oh six, they have been known to be
Speaker 3: actually concerned with cryptography and steganography. It's real big right
Speaker 3: here again. Until recently, the third volume was widely still
Speaker 3: believed to be solely about magic, but the magical formula
Speaker 3: have now been shown to be covert texts for yet
Speaker 3: more cryptographic content. However, mentions of the magical work within
Speaker 3: the third book by such figures as Agrippa and John
Speaker 3: d still lend credence to the idea of a mystical,
Speaker 3: mystic magical foundation. In the third book, Robert Hook suggested
Speaker 3: in the chapter of Doctor D's Book of Spirits that
Speaker 3: John De made use of trith to meim trith to
Speaker 3: mean his tegnography to conceal his communication with Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: Amongst the codes used in this book is day and
Speaker 3: this is something I want to cover next one is
Speaker 3: they ave Maria cipher where each coded letter is replaced
Speaker 3: by a short sentence about Jesus in Latin. That's crazy, yep.
Speaker 3: So these people that screw around with numbers and crytography
Speaker 3: and cipher's, I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were something that they're making their own stuff.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Then we'll go on to this one which
Speaker 3: you wrote to my attention. Oh, here's just some more
Speaker 3: of like kind of like showing the sight, you know.
Speaker 3: I thought these were interesting, like ciphers and stuff, stuff
Speaker 3: he did in his book. Then we're going to get
Speaker 3: to I don't even know how you say this book
Speaker 3: katab shork al Mustaham something like that, The Long Desired
Speaker 3: Fulfilled Knowledge of Occult Alphabets or Occult Alphabets. Bye. And
Speaker 3: this is even another thing. I think it might be questionable.
Speaker 3: Iban Washhia that was supposedly around eight sixty three. See
Speaker 3: The Long Desired Fulfilled Knowledge of Occult Alphabets, also known
Speaker 3: in English as Ancient Alphabets, is a hermetic discussion of
Speaker 3: the esoteric meaning of various scripts and ciphers, both real
Speaker 3: and fictitious. It is written perhaps by Iban, like I
Speaker 3: said before, also known as Abu Bakar Ahma had been
Speaker 3: Ali who lived in the ninth and tenth centuries. He
Speaker 3: wrote a number of books on hermetic philosophy, toxicology, magic,
Speaker 3: and the occult. This includes Nabuten Agriculture, which the author
Speaker 3: of the Pika Trix openly drew from, and the Pika
Speaker 3: trix is a That's something that I think was going
Speaker 3: to be one of those books I'm eventually going to cover.
Speaker 1: It's I believe it's an Arabic, yes, which is.
Speaker 3: Why I want to get into it. Yeah. I even
Speaker 3: think the whole thing with the mansions of the moon
Speaker 3: and how everything's with the moon very interesting. He was
Speaker 3: the first historian to decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs by relating
Speaker 3: them to the contemporary Coptic language. While some have argued
Speaker 3: that the text is a Renaissance forgery based on Prodamus
Speaker 3: Koptis by the seventeenth century German Jesuit Anthonyesius Kircher, most
Speaker 3: scholars agree that it is a genuine ninth century medic account.
Speaker 3: I do think it's funny how they are saying, no,
Speaker 3: it's Kirchers, you know, back to somebody had just talked about.
Speaker 3: It's worth noting that Ivan contributor contributions were well known
Speaker 3: among Arab Egyptologists and in Europe, including Kircher, who built
Speaker 3: upon some of his findings. Anyway, according to jacko or
Speaker 3: Jacob Hamen and Tila katab Shah, however, you say this
Speaker 3: guy's name may have been authored by Hassan Iban for Raj,
Speaker 3: an obscured descendant of the Heranian Sabian scholars, you know,
Speaker 3: who claimed to have merely copied the work in the
Speaker 3: year of four thirteen, which have been ten twenty two
Speaker 3: a d. The book deals with I've seen a couple
Speaker 3: of different numbers for this. The book deals with eighty nine.
Speaker 3: I think think you saw eighty something. I've seen ninety three.
Speaker 3: The book deals with I'll just stick with the eight
Speaker 3: and nine ancient languages in their writings in comparison in
Speaker 3: Arabic below. And this is just a small list. I
Speaker 3: took out most of them. But you have Thecufic alphabet.
Speaker 3: You have the Indian alphabet on three different sorts, the
Speaker 3: Syrian alphabet, the Old Nabathian alphabet, the Hebrew alphabet, the
Speaker 3: Greek alphabet, the alphabet of Hermes, the alphabet of Plato,
Speaker 3: the alphabet of Pythagoras, the alphabet of Socrates of Aristotle,
Speaker 3: the red alphabet invented and used by the philosopher Magnus,
Speaker 3: the talisman alphabet invented by Greek phalalas philosopher. I don't
Speaker 3: even know how to say that. I'm not even gonna
Speaker 3: try to the mysterious alphabet invented by Hellosh, the Greek
Speaker 3: philosopher who used it in his books, the alphabet of
Speaker 3: Hermes abou Tat the philosopher, the alphabet of Saturn, the
Speaker 3: alphabet of Jupiter, the alphabet of more Mars, the alphabet
Speaker 3: of the Sun, you know all, the alphabet of Taurus
Speaker 3: under the influence of Mars, the alphab the alphabet of
Speaker 3: Areas under the influence of Mars, the alphabet of King Kimas.
Speaker 3: I mean, so that this guy tons the alphabet of
Speaker 3: the Pharaohs, the oldest child Dian alphabet he has in there.
Speaker 3: Supposedly that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: And this is from one of his things. In this
Speaker 3: section on hieroglyphics used to express world's relative to animal
Speaker 3: actions and affections, Washia includes a mysterious figure which he
Speaker 3: briefly explains. It is expressive of the most sublime secret.
Speaker 3: You know, I even think like Crowley's even used that
Speaker 3: phrase polled originally bohumad and carouge or cav or the
Speaker 3: secret of the nature of the worlds or the secret
Speaker 3: of secrets, which I've heard used, or the beginning in
Speaker 3: Return of Everything. This text remains undiscovered and Uhia doesn't
Speaker 3: explain what it means, but Anthonasius Kircher discusses it at
Speaker 3: great length in his sixteen thirty six work Prodromus Coptus,
Speaker 3: the Coptic or Egyptian Forerunner. The figure derives from the
Speaker 3: Bembian tablet or the menza Isaiaca or whatever. The Isaiah tablet,
Speaker 3: an elaborate tablet of tablet of bronze with enamel in
Speaker 3: silver inlet. The tablet is now regarded as of Roman
Speaker 3: rather than Egyptian origin, dating to sometime to the first century. Apparently,
Speaker 3: the winged figure is holding a tablet inscribed with Coptic
Speaker 3: Egyptian characters, representative of the four elements, which Kirchure associates
Speaker 3: with unity of old things. The drawing represents the connection
Speaker 3: between the macrocosm and microcosm, according to Kircher, depicts a
Speaker 3: scare beetle with the head of Horus, the subluinary demons
Speaker 3: who traffic between the high and low. This would explain
Speaker 3: why the figure was sacred or representative of the beliefs
Speaker 3: of the hauranin Sabbians, an astro cult who preserved the
Speaker 3: ancient practices of Mesopotamians. They believe that all events in
Speaker 3: the terrestrial realm were produced by the configuration of the planets,
Speaker 3: and that each planet in celestial sphere was animated by souls. Basically,
Speaker 3: the power of the spirits could be harnessed to impact
Speaker 3: change in this world through ritual just basically what planetary
Speaker 3: magical is to I mean elemental magic. You could start
Speaker 3: pulling on the elementals of planets, you know, Ah, by
Speaker 3: the power of his own soul, like the celestial souls,
Speaker 3: he would transcend his humanity and command movement of the
Speaker 3: heavenly spheres.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is some of the stuff that's out
Speaker 3: of that book. You know. Again there's that symbol up
Speaker 3: in the corner that's on there. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 3: know here's like, oh you know the symbol Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I guess like you know these all the different again
Speaker 3: you remember you're saying the alphabets all these people, you know,
Speaker 3: and then again like are those like these like secret
Speaker 3: ciphers for these people? Of these codes for these people?
Speaker 3: Is like that alphabet Like were people using these things then?
Speaker 3: And like we just had no idea about it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like were there groups of actual people who like use it.
Speaker 1: I would say yes, I would say absolutely yes. And
Speaker 1: every time you went in to like whenever they did
Speaker 1: these you know, magic spells or not magic squares, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: magic squares, and they did all of this rituals, they
Speaker 1: gained more information on more sigils to use kind of
Speaker 1: like ohay, like they went in and they found another
Speaker 1: movement and then they could come back and put the
Speaker 1: movements together. And so people were going in and out
Speaker 1: of these realms to get more and more sigils.
Speaker 3: No, and yeah, me and you weren't even talking about that.
Speaker 3: And I've you know, I've even wondered with like dancing
Speaker 3: and like you know, uh performances. You know, you could
Speaker 3: be easily dancing in these shapes and spelling stuff out
Speaker 3: and nobody would have it. Faintest idea, No, I have
Speaker 3: no idea. I mean, Michael Jackson could have been doing
Speaker 3: that shit for a week now or give it me.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean these people could have been like
Speaker 3: drawing out Hebrew letters, just keble letters in their own right.
Speaker 3: I mean, how would you.
Speaker 1: Like, you're tapping into an actual vestige of the algorithm
Speaker 1: and the matrix by constructing your body in a certain
Speaker 1: way and aligning the energy in a manipulative form. You
Speaker 1: never know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like if someone told me that at these
Speaker 3: did stuff like that during their rituals, that would not
Speaker 3: be surprised, you know what I'm saying, Like I could
Speaker 3: see it making sense. So I just wonder, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. But and the amount of advancements that
Speaker 1: were made in this small I mean, look at all
Speaker 1: these books that came out of what is it, ninth
Speaker 1: century all the way to thirteenth century, and the advancements
Speaker 1: that were made, and then now you have the Renaissance
Speaker 1: in the fourteenth century that they're making all these technology.
Speaker 1: Was it because of these people?
Speaker 3: If this feels like legit, if there's actually, like you know,
Speaker 3: true like science and knowledge behind this stuff, and you
Speaker 3: know all that numerical values, shapes, geometry, cultures of magic
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, I mean, I I don't understand, Like, well,
Speaker 3: how has people gotten dumber? Myself included?
Speaker 1: I think I think it's on purpose. It has to.
Speaker 3: Be, like this shit is so old mm hm.
Speaker 1: And they knew so much. Not only were they, you know,
Speaker 1: fluent in different languages, they knew about math, science, medicine, uh,
Speaker 1: theology of any type. It It was expansive. Their knowledge
Speaker 1: was expansive. And it wasn't just one person, it was
Speaker 1: many people. And they made so many contribs. I mean
Speaker 1: even one book had so many contents in it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, how to on be keeping, It
Speaker 1: was like how to on all keeping? You know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've we've de evolved, not evolved, but devolved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as people.
Speaker 3: Sure, something happened, definitely, you know that, like I have said,
Speaker 3: which I think is kind of why I thought this
Speaker 3: was important to cover. You know, I'm just repeating myself again,
Speaker 3: but like again, I do question like do we or
Speaker 3: even you know, even understanding or speaking our language correct,
Speaker 3: you know, or it was like is it understood differently
Speaker 3: to other people?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know.
Speaker 3: That is the end of this episode. That went great.
Speaker 3: Perfect timing too. I wanted to hopefully keep it around
Speaker 3: in hour and a half and that's exactly what we did.
Speaker 3: That was smooth as hell. Thank you very much. Lisa
Speaker 3: definitely gonna hang of this, you know, and you know
Speaker 3: I have to thank her because prior to this, I
Speaker 3: was working with screenshots, you know, no pay It was
Speaker 3: a mess, and you know, thanks Lisa, I've actually got
Speaker 3: my shit together a little bit. I'm idolizing documents. I'm
Speaker 3: actually like writing notes and scripts for myself, and the
Speaker 3: throwing images up on slides, which I think look better
Speaker 3: than showing them on stream yard, which is exactly why
Speaker 3: it too. But there isn't as less of a image,
Speaker 3: I guess the kayh, you know, it just looks like
Speaker 3: shit through streaming. But thank you very much. I thought
Speaker 3: that went smooth. And you know, like again, I guess
Speaker 3: the way that I'm doing it now also helps. So
Speaker 3: I think you bringing some sort of formality to the
Speaker 3: ECLE rejects the way we do our research now because
Speaker 3: it was surely a mess, Bryor, you know, but we
Speaker 3: still still made it happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The
Speaker 3: next episode it's gonna be the ciphers. You know, we're
Speaker 3: gonna go into some of these old ciphers. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, and that is even another thing. I didn't
Speaker 3: really go get into it really too much, I guess,
Speaker 3: because it really all depends on what you're into. But
Speaker 3: like you know, even with Jamachia, there certain sites you
Speaker 3: can go to. They have tons of different ciphers that
Speaker 3: you can run it through. Yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 3: I really only screw around with the really three major ones,
Speaker 3: but I know other sites that that do. And it's
Speaker 3: just you know all those ciphers, you know, is there
Speaker 3: so thing to it? Because it is interesting when sometimes
Speaker 3: you see people who are into this stuff and they'll
Speaker 3: like use all these different ciphers and it's like you'll
Speaker 3: get not so much matching, but you'll see interesting neither
Speaker 3: numbers or phrases that almost coincide anyway, right, you know.
Speaker 3: So but uh, yeah, the next episode Cipher's I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to that, you know, I do think that will
Speaker 3: give some credence to how like maybe we don't truly
Speaker 3: understand everything that we're looking at.
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff you found how some of the
Speaker 1: writings was written in cipher's and no one even really
Speaker 1: talks about that it was written in a cipher and
Speaker 1: people are reading it in an English lit like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing.
Speaker 3: About you could even twice the Book of the Lore
Speaker 3: in that into that. I mean, it's telling you there's
Speaker 3: a cipher, right, I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, if all these religious texts are kind of coded,
Speaker 1: obviously a cipher exists is it true of all religious
Speaker 1: texts across the planet, you know, obviously in Western civilization,
Speaker 1: but it seems like they were all into it.
Speaker 3: I think so. I definitely think so. I think that's
Speaker 3: ways of them putting out stuff that that's part of
Speaker 3: being in the club. Yeah, you know this, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, So yeah, that is the end of part two.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much again, Lisa. Yeah, Cipher's in the
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