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<v Speaker 1>Do you hear that the music?

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<v Speaker 2>It is necessary for the recording of sound to convert

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<v Speaker 2>the sound waves to corresponding changes in light. The sound

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<v Speaker 2>waves produced by my voice are transmitted through the air

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<v Speaker 2>to the microphone, where these sound waves are converted to

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<v Speaker 2>changes in an electric current. These variations in the electric

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<v Speaker 2>current are then amplified and used to control the light.

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<v Speaker 2>This varying beam of light falling on the photoelectric cells

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<v Speaker 3>Themes the crack.

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<v Speaker 2>As the varying electrical current in the photoelectric cell is small,

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the Occult Rejects, and this episode will be

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<v Speaker 3>continuing off this three part series of Jamachia, numerology, and ciphers.

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<v Speaker 3>In the first episode, we pretty much went over Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 3>English and Greek. Jamatra covered Jamatria, and then we also

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<v Speaker 3>went into numerology and what was that word again, I'm so.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, it's a hard word.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying that one right now. We got plenty,

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<v Speaker 3>I got plenty of them coming ahead of it and

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<v Speaker 3>my notes, so uh yeah, we covered that and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I think just gave a basic understanding of like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what's going on with Jamachi and numerology and

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<v Speaker 3>how it matches up you know, Alpha numerically. And in

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<v Speaker 3>this episode we're going to try to kind of go

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<v Speaker 3>over and cover older stuff. You know. I think in

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<v Speaker 3>this series, as me and Lisa were kind of I

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<v Speaker 3>guess creating it, you know, because I think it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of took on its own, its own thing. By now

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<v Speaker 3>this was going to be like one episode and now

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<v Speaker 3>it's turning into three. But at some point we started

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<v Speaker 3>like coming across like older and older things, and like

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<v Speaker 3>some of them I had heard of already and forgot about.

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<v Speaker 3>But I remember being brought up in occultism and amongst

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<v Speaker 3>the cult communities and circles, and then I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I was like, suck going back to that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think when I started looking more

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<v Speaker 3>into the people who were responsible for writing these books

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<v Speaker 3>that I had heard of, I was just like, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>Like they're rather influential and kind of important and almost

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like maybe Goddess where we are now in

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<v Speaker 3>some ways, you know. And these people believed in jamatria,

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<v Speaker 3>they believed in numerology, they believed in ciphers, they believed

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<v Speaker 3>in energy, numerical value letters, you know, and they wrote

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<v Speaker 3>stuff on all that, and I think, you know, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very interesting to see people that were into that,

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<v Speaker 3>how deep it goes, and what they accomplished. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that says something right there in a sense. So

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna kind of go over some of older things

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<v Speaker 3>and older people, older books, older texts. We're gonna show

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of slides, just like the first episode, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure the next one. For people listening, I

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<v Speaker 3>highly suggest to check out the video. I think you'll

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<v Speaker 3>get more out of it, but I'm sure if you

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<v Speaker 3>listen you'll still you get something. But I think the

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<v Speaker 3>visuals definitely help. And I guess we'll get going if

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<v Speaker 3>you want. Lisa, and I know that you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be starting it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we're gonna kind of start off back on

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<v Speaker 1>where I left off with the timeline on the first

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<v Speaker 1>episode and discuss libra abaci. So libra abaci, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you say it, So just her warning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Abachi abachi whatever, Yeah, hbachi. Now that makes me hungry,

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<v Speaker 1>so you just drop right, it's yeah and it's haabachi.

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<v Speaker 1>See there you go. Who would have known. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Book of Calculation, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a very historic manuscript on arithmetic written by the Leonardo

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<v Speaker 1>of Pisa in twelve o two. Now this Leonardo at

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<v Speaker 1>Pisa is later going to be known to us as Fibonacci.

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<v Speaker 1>Leonardo was the son of a merchant and he traveled

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<v Speaker 1>a lot with his father all over the Mediterranean and

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. And I believe it was when he

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<v Speaker 1>was in India that he came to study the Hindu

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<v Speaker 1>Arabic numeral system, which would later play into this man manuscript,

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<v Speaker 1>the Librabaci. So Libra Abaci is considered as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first Western books written to describe the Hindu bear

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<v Speaker 1>Arabic numeral numeral system using symbols that look like modern

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<v Speaker 1>Arabic numerals, and in fact, that is the numeral system

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<v Speaker 1>that we use today. So a little bit on the

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<v Speaker 1>spelling of Librabaci is that sometimes you'll see that the

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<v Speaker 1>book is translated to as the Book of Abacus, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not correct something. And I think because you see

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<v Speaker 1>the word abachi, it looks like abacus, and you think

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<v Speaker 1>automatically that it's abacus. And at the time when it

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<v Speaker 1>was written, abacus was used to refer to calculations in

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<v Speaker 1>any form. But when Leonardo wrote it, he spelled it

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<v Speaker 1>with a double b abb A c I and used

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<v Speaker 1>the two b's in the original manuscript, and that denoted

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<v Speaker 1>that the calculations he was referring to in that manuscript

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<v Speaker 1>was specifically using the Hindu Arabic numerals. And I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why all this is really important because you're thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we discussing this. So this book discusses methods

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<v Speaker 1>on doing calculations without the use of the abacus. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been described as a very thorough write up on the

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<v Speaker 1>Hindu Arabic numerals, algebraic methods, problems advocated, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And they use specifically the digits zero through nine. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that's kind of found throughout with all

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<v Speaker 1>the Semitic languages and then the languages that evolved from there. So,

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<v Speaker 1>just for context, going back to the timeline, up until

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<v Speaker 1>this time, around the twelve hundreds, Europe is still using

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<v Speaker 1>the Rome ral numerals, and all the advancements and modern

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<v Speaker 1>mathematics were kind of stalled and it was proving impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to evolve beyond that. Now, with the book Librabachi, it

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<v Speaker 1>addressed the mathematical applications that could be used for both

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<v Speaker 1>commercial tradesmen and mathematicians, and it just proved that it

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<v Speaker 1>was superior to the one that was being used at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But here's the I guess the conflict on

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<v Speaker 1>that that while it served to contribute to the decimal numerals,

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<v Speaker 1>Liberbaci was the pivotal moment in history when the modern

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<v Speaker 1>world at that time switched from an alphanumerical system to

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<v Speaker 1>now Arabic numerals. So when we talked about how Hebrews

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<v Speaker 1>or Jewish mysticism or Greek isosophy were using or pairing

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<v Speaker 1>the alphabet with numbers and using them interchangeably, that was

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<v Speaker 1>taking on on a life of its own. With the

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<v Speaker 1>writing or with the publication of librar Abaci, the Western civilization,

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<v Speaker 1>modern world of that time decided to make the switch,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why we don't use alpha numeric systems today

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<v Speaker 1>because of the switch over during this time. And you had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your dissonance. Like the people that were following,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the old way were the Abbassists, and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to change over. But the people that were

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<v Speaker 1>going to change over to this new Librabacci were became

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Algorithmists, which I thought that was weird,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole algorithm algarthmists. So I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>make a mental note of this with the Fibonacci manuscript.

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<v Speaker 1>So around this time twelfth thirteenth century, imagine everybody's talking

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. The Jewish mystics, the Greek people, the Arabics,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them are talking to each other and they're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of having like a mini pre party to the Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 1>So Renaissance started like fourteenth century or whatever, but everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>talking to each other. You're seeing all of these like

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<v Speaker 1>really great texts come out of Spain, Italy, Egypt, Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East, and it's some of the most extensive texts

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<v Speaker 1>even today on Jewish mysticism, Greek isosophy, and Arabic Islamic mysticism.

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<v Speaker 1>So when this happens and you have this adoption of

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<v Speaker 1>a new system, this system seems to go away or

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<v Speaker 1>almost underground and it's almost it kind of sets it

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<v Speaker 1>up nicely that now only a select few know of

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<v Speaker 1>alpha numerical systems, and the rest of the world takes

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<v Speaker 1>off in a totally different direction with this separation of

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<v Speaker 1>the alphabet and the numbers. So it and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting. I think so. And the main

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<v Speaker 1>part about it is that most of these people that

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<v Speaker 1>were combining the alphabet together with numbers, they were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how it was a way to have a direct

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<v Speaker 1>path to speak with God or the divine and now

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<v Speaker 1>by separating the two, you're almost launching into a new

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<v Speaker 1>way of a like a centralized middle man operation of

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<v Speaker 1>you have to come through me to talk to God,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do it on your own, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I'm interpreting it. With all this, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a switching of mathematics, but I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much more well in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it even seems to like, you know, thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about stuff that we have you know, shown each other

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<v Speaker 3>and sent each other and looked at and just conversations

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<v Speaker 3>about like like kind of like things like that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, going back to we were talking about like

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<v Speaker 3>Phoenician language and then like how that's split off into like.

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<v Speaker 1>Three three different ones, you know, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you're talking about now again the separation of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess letters and numbers from each other. Absolutely, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like you see, I guess you can see

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<v Speaker 3>a constant like separation and split off maybe from the

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<v Speaker 3>one original source, I guess. But I think I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>saying original. I'm just saying no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, But you said it perfectly. There's a schism and

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<v Speaker 1>it's here. Yeah. And now with like social media, you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing all of this Fibonacci over and over again, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like are they launching us into a new system again?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it almost is like are we going through this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all over again? And I think I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>to you it was like a side fact was that

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<v Speaker 1>the Fibonacci you know, sequence is used to like denote

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<v Speaker 1>patterns and nature and leaf growth and tree growth and

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. And if you believe in fossils, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at some of the old fossils, the old

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<v Speaker 1>trees and leave systems do not follow the Fibonacci sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought that's kind of it's kind of something

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of mention as a side thing. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have this happening around early twelve hundreds, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's important to kind of keep in mind. Okay, everything

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of merging, everybody was talking to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have this happened. Okay, so switching gears to

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<v Speaker 1>the Arabic side of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. And I do think that's just I hate

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<v Speaker 3>to interrupt you, this might even be something that you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to say yourself. I do think when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>through stuff like this, even with occultism and magic, there

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<v Speaker 3>is not enough eyes on Arabic shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I agreed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's for a reason. I even do think

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<v Speaker 3>this is just my opinion, just my theory, but I

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<v Speaker 3>even do think that might be some of the more

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<v Speaker 3>deeper embedded secrets inside the OTO might be kind of

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<v Speaker 3>awe from that. That's just my opinion, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's just interesting. It's even something that me and you

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<v Speaker 3>had noticed, even getting into this stuff, you actually don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a ton of info on that stuff like you

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<v Speaker 3>do with everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Else, right right, No, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>But yet some of the oldest stuff you can find

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<v Speaker 3>from there, Yeah, no, it's translations of that stuff of.

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<v Speaker 1>Arabic I mean, it could be and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned it. It could be an artifact of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that most of the Arabic stuff hasn't been translated to

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<v Speaker 1>everything else has been translated, you know, why why.

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<v Speaker 3>The if they understood this is just my opinion. When

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<v Speaker 3>you want to start talking about letters and possible equaling

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<v Speaker 3>symbolism or energy and this and that, just this is

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<v Speaker 3>starting it with an A, you're already making a statement

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, I think so yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I even think the I again is even playing

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<v Speaker 1>Well, remember we discussed how like when they were forming

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, so okay, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, you're good. This is really good. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bit so Abajad numerals, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting to cover so Avajod numerals are akin to

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<v Speaker 1>letters of the Arabic alphabet, and they assigned them to

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<v Speaker 1>numerical values. And we saw this with with the Hebrew language,

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<v Speaker 1>and we saw this with the Greek language. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>ancient numeral system has been found to be encoded in

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<v Speaker 1>the Quran. Again, we saw that it was encoded in

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<v Speaker 1>the Torah and other religious texts, and now you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it also being encoded in the religious texts in Islam.

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<v Speaker 1>Abjod and if I'm saying that wrong. I apologize. Abjod,

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<v Speaker 1>that it derives its first four letters a b JD

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<v Speaker 1>of the Semitic alphabet. And remember we talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>the alphabet started with the proto Kanite and then morphed

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<v Speaker 1>into the Phoenician, like you were saying earlier, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it split into three. It split into the pre Hebrew

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where you have your three, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>And it numbered the letters one through nine at intervals

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<v Speaker 1>of ten, the same thing with Greek and the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with the Hebrews. The order of ab j D

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<v Speaker 1>is not of Arabic origin, and if we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it the aba Jod numeral system dates back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Phoenician alphabet and can be compared to the Hebrew

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<v Speaker 1>where you have alef Beth, Gimmel Daleth. The Greek has alpha, beta, gamma, delta,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we see that Abajad has a left ba

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<v Speaker 1>jim dahal so it's very similar. I mean it's almost identical.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have the numbering of them throughout. So

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<v Speaker 1>these Arabic of Jod numerals can be compared and are

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<v Speaker 1>similar to almost all the other types of alpha numerical

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<v Speaker 1>codes in Hebrew and Greek. So in regards to the

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<v Speaker 1>alpha numeric system encoded in the Quran. Going back to

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<v Speaker 1>me mentioning that there is a concept called the mathematical

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<v Speaker 1>miracle of the Quran, which I thought that was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>mm and it shows that every letter word verse in

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<v Speaker 1>the Quran is mathematically linked. It is said that the Quran.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Quran, there are ninety nine attributes or names

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<v Speaker 1>of Allah, with the hundredth being Allah in the Quran,

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<v Speaker 1>and each attribute or name has its own numerical value.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a quote that went on to describe that

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<v Speaker 1>how could an illiterate man who lived fourteen hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>ago have encoded this chapter with Abajad numerals? And I

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<v Speaker 1>put up an example here to kind of give you

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<v Speaker 1>value of all the odd words, the first word, the

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<v Speaker 1>third word, the fifth word, is equal to the geometrical

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<v Speaker 1>value of all the odd letters, which is weird. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if you can do that with the same you

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<v Speaker 1>can do the same thing with the even words, in

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<v Speaker 1>that the geometrical value of all even words is equal

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<v Speaker 1>to that of the grametric value of all even letters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just weird, Like who would have designed it that way? It,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like it doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>it was. I don't know it. That's a lot of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of math, for sure. So in Islam

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<v Speaker 1>there is a like you have Jewish mysticism, you have

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<v Speaker 1>Greek or you have Jewish kabbala, you have Greek isoposophy

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. In the Islamic tradition or Islamic mysticism, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a thing called Sufi or Sufi tradition, and the Sufi

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<v Speaker 1>tradition in these Islamic texts, especially with the Koran words,

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<v Speaker 1>they state that it contains an outward meaning as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a veiled one. Again, the same talk like going

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<v Speaker 1>through going the would be Jewish jamatria. And so these

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<v Speaker 1>hidden meanings reveal a certain truth that's missed when you're

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<v Speaker 1>just reading the surface of the text. And therefore the

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<v Speaker 1>sufis invest like enormous amount of study in these holy books,

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<v Speaker 1>and they go on to say the ninety nine Names

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<v Speaker 1>of God are also a focus to them because they

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this is how that you can access spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>power through contemplating the ninety nine names as well as

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<v Speaker 1>be able to be the go to, like the medium

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<v Speaker 1>person between the two worlds. So yeah, that's that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought that I would show and on this

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<v Speaker 1>should go along with the Hebrew and the Greek, and

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<v Speaker 1>then how it compares the the Jamatra value and then

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<v Speaker 1>that example with the even number the even number of works,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an even number of letters. So so the significant

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<v Speaker 1>texts that I'm going to talk about is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal in Islamic mysticism. And it was written

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<v Speaker 1>by Ahmad Alboni and he was an Algerian Sufi scholar.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahmad Albuni authored what would become one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>controversial books for many centuries in the Middle East, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they quote it as being super dangerous, don't

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<v Speaker 1>read it. It's you know, all kinds of shadow band

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<v Speaker 1>by the Islamic faith. Alboni was a Sophie Muslim theologian

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<v Speaker 1>mystic mathematician and philosopher. I was going to say that

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<v Speaker 1>majority of these people that wrote these texts, they're all mathematicians, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They're all like into math, they know math very well,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making super contributions. And it's just a side question.

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<v Speaker 1>Are a cultist all occultist great mathemat tis like do

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<v Speaker 1>you have? Is there is there like a requirement that

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<v Speaker 4>That's I mean, just from my experience in you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess in like the magic, ceremonial magic, and even

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<v Speaker 4>amongst like I guess witchcraft community, there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 4>huge part of people that don't even acknowledge the number

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I couldn't tell you if they're good at

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<v Speaker 3>math or not because they're not messing with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So it seems like a big, big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Which, which actually is surprising to me, is like it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably blown off just as much as it is in

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<v Speaker 3>the conspiracy community. Wow. Yeah, But I mean if you

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<v Speaker 3>were to see what they were doing or what they

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<v Speaker 3>thought was magic or what they thought was witchcraft, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand why it's so simple minded? Why would you

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<v Speaker 3>even want to start including man, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean numbers were everything to these.

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<v Speaker 3>No, just lighting a candle and just asking for, like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just to get laid or a couple of books.

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<v Speaker 3>You use a couple of fucking oils and a few crystals,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Only asking for at that point. Oh it's funny, yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was born in Buna, Algeria, but spent a

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<v Speaker 1>majority of his life in Egypt. Again, Egypt. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like some of these great mystics spent a good amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time in Egypt studying, and he practiced Sufiism, which

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<v Speaker 1>with God, understanding existence through spiritual realization, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>search for the life's meaning beyond like the religious narratives,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're taking it above and beyond. I think Sufi

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<v Speaker 1>masters practice the summoning of jins since they have a

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<v Speaker 1>heightened iritual state and allowed them to serve as the

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<v Speaker 1>intermediates between spiritual and earthing RUMs, which I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about earlier with that book. Interestingly, it's a mixed bag

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<v Speaker 1>when reading the biography of Albuoni. Although a lot's not

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<v Speaker 1>known about him, It's weird because you see many Western

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<v Speaker 1>occultists or magicians regard him as or refer to him

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<v Speaker 1>as a magician. But then you have all these Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>scholars saying no, no, no, he was not a magician. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't practice magic, he didn't do any of that. He

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<v Speaker 1>just studied it. So you have this very staunch like

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<v Speaker 1>opinion in the Muslim world, whereas the other ones are

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<v Speaker 1>like holding you in high regard as a magician. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was important to mention that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this kind of bipolar reception of him.

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<v Speaker 3>There was I think there was like issues with that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of one or two other people I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>read that. I think like they were kind of like praised,

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<v Speaker 3>but then like at times I think there's somebody I

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<v Speaker 3>was going to mention that. I think like the Vatican

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<v Speaker 3>has even banned like their books, or the Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 3>or something that might have two people with something associated

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<v Speaker 3>with that. Yeah, it's like they ended up banning their

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<v Speaker 3>books anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But which is Yeah, to me, that's that's a promotion

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<v Speaker 1>in my in my mind if a book gets banned

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<v Speaker 1>on buying it. So yeah, and he studied cosmology, alchemy,

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<v Speaker 1>during a time when apparently it wasn't considered magic in

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<v Speaker 1>the Arab world, and mysticism was super popular among the Muslims,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like one of the ways to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>like a state of unity with the divine. So it

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<v Speaker 1>might have just been like more of a circumstance of

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<v Speaker 3>I had also thought of too. I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 3>this is like a stretch, but you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was Blavotsky. I think a few other people had

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<v Speaker 3>even stated that, like you're really the hidden hidden secrets,

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<v Speaker 3>you're actually still not supposed to really put out there technically,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there was something said like that, and like

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<v Speaker 3>going back then when these books are getting banned, just

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<v Speaker 3>this is my opinion, I think people also have more intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, oh for sure, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Could this stuff have actually been easier understood that and

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, like maybe there was actually too much in

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<v Speaker 3>it that made sense to the common person. Then well,

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<v Speaker 3>remember we talked about it, why they get banned from

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<v Speaker 3>a church because like, yeah, there's not too much and

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<v Speaker 3>they don't read that, don't need that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, like we showed how like even in

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti people knew about alphanumeric systems, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, can't let these common folk be summoning people.

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<v Speaker 1>We still need them to pay dues every Sunday. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So Albundi goes on to write Libra have Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>now I have that song in my head breakout into

419
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<v Speaker 1>a song that was funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Though before I was like, you know, his wife was

421
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<v Speaker 3>a redhead, his daughter was kind of slutty, and his

422
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<v Speaker 3>son played the fool. I was like, hmm, what's album.

423
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<v Speaker 1>I bet if you looked into it, there's a whole

424
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<v Speaker 1>lot more there.

425
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<v Speaker 3>Oh you had the dog too, don't forget the dog. Now.

426
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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the song Love and Marriage by Frank Sinatra.

427
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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know who he's saying that, but I

428
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<v Speaker 3>don't know if he wrote.

429
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<v Speaker 1>It or if it's the one that was used.

430
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<v Speaker 3>Was probably I'm pretty sure.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll bet you there's a connection with that. I

432
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<v Speaker 1>don't know why, but I think that, Okay. Shams al

433
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<v Speaker 1>Mariv ma Ariv that was my best attempt is also

434
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<v Speaker 1>known as the Son of Knowledge or the Book of

435
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<v Speaker 1>the Son of g Nosis, and it's described as both

436
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<v Speaker 1>a grimore on Arabic magic and a manual to achieve

437
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:52.039
<v Speaker 1>esoteric spirituality. So they refer al but Albouni as a

438
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<v Speaker 1>quasi kabbalistic Sufi chkh who wrote the Shams during his

439
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<v Speaker 1>time in Egypt. And even though the popularity of the

440
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<v Speaker 1>Pickatrix is well known and it's super popular, it is

441
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<v Speaker 1>said that the Shams is the book of magic more

442
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<v Speaker 1>widely used and regarded as a more influential book of

443
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<v Speaker 1>its type in the Arab speaking world. And they've even

444
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<v Speaker 1>compared it to Agrippa's book on occult Philosophy. So I

445
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>think that's a huge stamp of like, wow, that's it's something.

446
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>So Schams has a total of twenty chapters. In the

447
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<v Speaker 1>first couple of chapters, it explains the mysticism of symbolism meanings,

448
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>letters and numbers, followed by magic squares numerology of the

449
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<v Speaker 1>abba Jad numerals, and we begin to see that they

450
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<v Speaker 1>use the Abbajod numerals as a way to establish a

451
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<v Speaker 1>relationship with the divine by using the numbers in letters,

452
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<v Speaker 1>because they believe that it has a divine relationship to

453
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<v Speaker 1>everything else that exists in the world. In the Shams,

454
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<v Speaker 1>Alboni indicates that by using the specific order and combinations

455
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<v Speaker 1>of letters and numbers, geometric shapes. The practitioner can cause

456
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<v Speaker 1>a magical effect powerful enough to influence reality, unlock secrets

457
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<v Speaker 1>of the spiritual realm, I'm sorry, of the supernatural realm,

458
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<v Speaker 1>and influence inanimate objects. And I think they're referring to

459
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<v Speaker 1>like gens and stuff like that here. That's a big claim.

460
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<v Speaker 1>I think the rest of the book covers astrological influences,

461
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>religious and philosophical concepts, wisdom and rituals, natural theology, and

462
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<v Speaker 1>secret properties in the ninety nine Names of God. But

463
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<v Speaker 1>then you get to chapter nineteen and which I found

464
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<v Speaker 1>significant nineteen because they go on about nineteen in most

465
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<v Speaker 1>of these texts, how it's a big deal in Islamic mysticism.

466
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<v Speaker 1>So you get to chapter nineteen, and it's probably probably

467
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<v Speaker 1>the most it's probably part of the book that's the

468
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<v Speaker 1>most responsible for its controversy because it actually discusses, as

469
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<v Speaker 1>the article describes, the Ultimate Guide to Witchcraft, talisman recipes

470
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<v Speaker 1>and each containing their own combination of letters, numbers, zodiacs,

471
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<v Speaker 1>geometrical shapes, chronic verses, hymns, and symbols. So it's like

472
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<v Speaker 1>they say, it's not a recipe book, but some say, no,

473
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a recipe book. You can you can. It tells

474
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<v Speaker 1>you what to do, and so most of the let's see,

475
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<v Speaker 1>most of the slides that I'm gonna show next are

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<v Speaker 1>of chapter nineteen. I figured that would be the most interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>No, nothing, if I had, like if I was, I

478
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<v Speaker 3>guess back then, well now, maybe back then again, people

479
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 3>were just better at doing things because they didn't have

480
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 3>stupid shit occupy them with. To me, if I wanted

481
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 3>to write a book like this and thought I was going

482
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>to have to draw that stuff, I would never even

483
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<v Speaker 3>do it. I can't.

484
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think back then people were like.

485
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<v Speaker 3>You're making that, sir. That would take me probably months

486
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<v Speaker 3>because I would take the ship out of it, thinking

487
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<v Speaker 3>it's not perfect.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's what I'm just gonna say.

489
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or just screw it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

491
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I would never over give up. I'd give up. I

492
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 3>would just be like, forget it.

493
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<v Speaker 1>It's not it doesn't look right. I don't like the colors. Yeah, no, no, no,

494
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 1>it'd have been a nightmare for me to finish. Yeah.

495
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<v Speaker 1>The book contains tables, prayer charts, and numerical ciphers to

496
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<v Speaker 1>assists with solving hidden messages in the text. Here, Alboony

497
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<v Speaker 1>theorized that the twenty eight letters of the Arabic letters

498
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<v Speaker 1>used in the Quran all have numerical values. So this

499
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<v Speaker 1>is where you see that the beginning of that theory

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<v Speaker 1>that oh, no, the Quran is is h Quran whatever

501
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 1>is coded and and all of it has meaning. This

502
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<v Speaker 1>is where you see it. This text is basically saying

503
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that it analyzed it, it found it. This is where

504
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 1>it's at.

505
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<v Speaker 3>Hence why it's in the episode now.

506
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<v Speaker 1>Hence wins Yes, yes, exactly, and why I'm spending so

507
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 1>much time explaining through elaborate charts using letters and numbers.

508
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<v Speaker 1>Albuni would later be credited as constructing magic squares based

509
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<v Speaker 1>on the names of God and in accordance with planetary alignments,

510
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>which reminds me of everything you were talking about at

511
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the first episode, and they were.

512
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 3>Doing it in earlier yeah, correct.

513
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Correct. It is said that magic squares were already in

514
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>use in places like Iraq and India centuries before the

515
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 1>publication of the Shams. However, Albuni's work was among the

516
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 1>first cryptograms developed for Muslims or Muslims only because it

517
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.359
<v Speaker 1>was written obviously in Arabic inso much the numerical charts

518
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 1>were written onto the undershirts of soldiers in India, so

519
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>they mean they were even used out in the out

520
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in the streets.

521
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, haven't we even come across that. You might

522
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<v Speaker 3>have showed it. Maybe you didn't show it like graffiti

523
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:11.240
<v Speaker 3>almost kind of.

524
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that and that was in POMPEII where they

525
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>were using alphanumeric codes as political signs as a way

526
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 1>to throw jabs to Nero who was running for office

527
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>or I don't know, he wasn't running for office. I

528
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>think he was assigned. I thought it was cool that

529
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 1>that's the way to do it.

530
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>So they were trolling back then. They're trolling with memes

531
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 3>on wolves.

532
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. And here we thought it's a new concept.

533
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not.

534
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Back in the days. Ain't nothing new.

535
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Where it's just recycling ship. Despite being popular, it has

536
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a reputation being one of the most suppressed and banned

537
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 1>books for much of Islamic history. Yet it's held in

538
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>high regard for its legitimacy and use in the occult

539
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's being read and studied into the present day.

540
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that there are some scholars in the

541
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>US of occult philosophy that are trying to translate it,

542
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 1>write books on it, and I guess do an analysis

543
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>on it.

544
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 3>So you know, that's another thing I have noticed. And

545
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean I'm sure I've actually said this before in

546
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 3>different ways, but coming when it gets to universities and colleges.

547
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 3>The more and more I'm like researching on certain topics,

548
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 3>the more I'm finding out how like they are a

549
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.640
<v Speaker 3>plethora of actual information on some really interesting shit. Yeah,

550
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, what the.

551
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you don't want it, if you don't want

552
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.119
<v Speaker 1>anybody to read it, just put in a book, because

553
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody reads books anymore. I mean, it's true, they want

554
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>to listen to a video or they want to hear

555
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 1>it on a podcast, but nobody wants to.

556
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Reach this stuff that. I mean, you have come across

557
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 3>where it's like, yo, they're showing this in school lectures. Yeah,

558
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.599
<v Speaker 3>like you even realize what the hell they're looking at.

559
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, like that guy who was just explaining the Kabbala,

560
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>You're just like, wow, that's something that you know, I

561
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 1>thought is something about secret societies or whatever, and he's

562
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 1>just giving a lecture about it like it was another

563
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>day in June.

564
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 3>And it's like and and and and not even for nothing,

565
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 3>but like not to even sound like a dick, but

566
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 3>it's just like I'm like, yo, if you were to

567
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 3>take some of those kids and like dump them in

568
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 3>the middle of a bunch of like Instagram conspiracy theorists,

569
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 3>they would even be like, yo, you kidding me, Like

570
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying, Like they did even realize,

571
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.559
<v Speaker 3>like you think that shit's silly.

572
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:42.079
<v Speaker 1>But it's not. It's not. But and it's not some kid.

573
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Who doesn't know anything about conspiracy theories probably yet right,

574
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.280
<v Speaker 3>actually spit some real shit to these people that think

575
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 3>they know everything.

576
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 1>If you if you look at it, it's not at

577
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>no regular you know, community college and nothing against community college, right, No,

578
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's no small.

579
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Universe, well know, places that could come.

580
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>People come out of. And so when we say, well

581
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.760
<v Speaker 1>are these big wig people do they even know about

582
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 1>this stuff? Well, hell, they're attending the lectures at these

583
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>universities that are talking about it. They're getting an intro

584
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 1>when the rest of us are not. I mean, just

585
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 1>as you know, whatever. So, as I explained earlier in

586
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the beginning the beginning of the book, Albuni wanted to

587
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>place the hidden aspects of ancient wisdom along with esoteric

588
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>knowledge in one book, and they considered esoteric knowledge as

589
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the secret nosis to be only understood by a small

590
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>group of people. Large part of the book focused on mysticism, spirituality,

591
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 1>occult practices, including numerology which is the Aubadja numeral system, alchemy, astrology, magic,

592
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and folk medicine. Like they have instances where folk medicine

593
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.760
<v Speaker 1>is inserted within the text of the book, which I

594
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>found pretty interesting as well. Towards the end of the book,

595
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 1>the author combines all of these topics into a how

596
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>to to be used in rituals. Tell this man creation

597
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.519
<v Speaker 1>or summoning the supernatural. I think that's probably what they

598
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't like is that he you know, he was Bruce

599
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>lene it. He was telling everybody how it's done, what's

600
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>in the what's in the sauce, And you're like, no, man,

601
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. Yeah, you can't tell people that.

602
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 1>So reception of the Psalms seems split down the middle,

603
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.639
<v Speaker 1>and I think kind of beat this to a dead horse.

604
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>But I think what what it basically does is it's

605
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 1>revealing the fault lines between Islamic mysticism and then religious narrative,

606
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's seen where the two are getting from each other.

607
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>And then again, I think personally it is completely my opinion,

608
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.119
<v Speaker 1>I think it kind of takes out the middle man.

609
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>If you read this book and you're well versed and

610
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>you can do it, what do you what do you

611
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 1>need to pay dues for? What do you need to

612
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>go and pay homage to to your aymands or to

613
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>your priests or to your rabbis or whatever. And I'm

614
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.039
<v Speaker 1>not saying that you become God or anything like that.

615
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying you can grow it yourself in your rockyard.

616
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to say this is the same thing,

617
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 3>but I guess, you know, I guess I am actually,

618
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 3>But I mean I think he might have even mentioned

619
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 3>shoe salesman, which is kind of funny, the whole Albundi thing.

620
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 3>But you know, even with Alison Crowley with magic and

621
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 3>theory and practice, you know, his opinion was that, like

622
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 3>anybody from this book, you know, if you even understand

623
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 3>like that language. But then again, the books people back

624
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 3>then may have I don't know, you know what I'm

625
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>saying the way that he spoke, but you know, the

626
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<v Speaker 3>way it's written then and now, it's just hard to

627
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<v Speaker 3>even understand. But according to him in that book, his

628
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 3>intentions was so that anybody could understand magic because he

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<v Speaker 3>did his opinion, he should be available to everybody. You know,

630
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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it is you know, that's like I

631
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<v Speaker 3>even said that with a guest on magic experiences or not.

632
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<v Speaker 3>You know, you might see some people that maybe are

633
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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more in tune, but nobody's more special

634
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<v Speaker 3>than the next. Everybody still has in my opinion, everybody

635
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 3>has the same chance to do it, to experience that

636
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<v Speaker 3>as the next person. There's no difference in somebody in

637
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<v Speaker 3>my opinion.

638
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I agree with you.

639
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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's but like you know, according to him,

640
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<v Speaker 3>that book was supposed to do that, which I guess, Yeah,

641
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Cut out in middleman maybe I don't know.

642
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I know that's a phrase.

643
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why that's not trying to like romonel. Yeah,

644
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 3>but I could see that though, like in a sense

645
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<v Speaker 3>not the middle.

646
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<v Speaker 1>Man too well. And the thing is because like remember

647
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<v Speaker 1>when we talked about in the last episode about Greek

648
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.599
<v Speaker 1>isosophy and how Vatican came down in their Nicea Council

649
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<v Speaker 1>of Nicea and they're like, anybody that does anything to

650
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<v Speaker 1>do with isosophy is in direct violation of the State

651
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<v Speaker 1>Church and will be I don't prosecuted, but you know

652
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll be punished or whatever. And you see this here too,

653
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.519
<v Speaker 1>where Islam is like absolutely not it had this book

654
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.519
<v Speaker 1>has everything to do with magic. Magic is one of

655
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<v Speaker 1>the seven Deadly sins. You're equating some of these gens

656
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<v Speaker 1>with God and you're now, you know, in communication when

657
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you should only be talking to God or through Us,

658
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's it. You start to see that,

659
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and then you see that also. I don't know if

660
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you see it completely in Jewish mysticism, but you definitely

661
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 1>see it in the Christian faith, and you definitely see

662
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>it in the Islamic faith. So yeah, but so yeah,

663
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>that's that's one of the things with this book. And

664
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<v Speaker 1>basically Albuni described how, in terms of the ninety nine

665
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.519
<v Speaker 1>names of God, what the dimensions and the properties were

666
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 1>of the alphanumerical systems, and how to how to manipulate them,

667
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>how to use them. He also talked about the power

668
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>associated with it and how many times to recite something

669
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<v Speaker 1>with a specific number that would grant you access to

670
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the knowledge or grant your prayer or I mean that's yeah,

671
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<v Speaker 1>that I think that's all definite, like nobueno for the

672
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>higher ups. And then I think that that was it

673
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<v Speaker 1>for me? Did I Yeah, I think that was it?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So thank you very much. That that's hard

675
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 3>to follow that up.

676
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<v Speaker 1>No, that's not true.

677
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just gonna like, I mean, I know, we

678
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of explained this a little bit already, but we'll

679
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of like reiterate it a little bit about numerology,

680
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 3>even though again that's like a word that's like technically

681
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 3>fairly new, considering the stuff that we're showing is very new.

682
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 3>You know. Numerology is the belief in a cult, divine,

683
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 3>or mystical relationship between a number and one or more

684
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 3>coinciding events. It is also the study of numerical value

685
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 3>from an alphanumeric system of the letters in words and names.

686
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 3>I threw in here. Also, the term arithmetsy a rhythmancy

687
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 3>is derived from two Greek words rhythmos, meaning number and

688
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know this is in mantilla, however, we say,

689
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:38.400
<v Speaker 3>meaning divination, rythmancy is basically the study of divination through numbers.

690
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Although the word dates to the fifteen seventies, the word

691
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 3>numerology is not recorded in English before nineteen oh seven.

692
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<v Speaker 3>Do you think etater Earlier? The sixth century BCE philosopher

693
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 3>and mystic Pythagoras believe that numbers carried sacred codes and

694
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 3>were divinely inspired and created. Some alchemical theories were closely

695
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 3>related to numerology. For example, Persian Arab alchemist Jabir I

696
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.079
<v Speaker 3>even I just said his name Ibin Hayne, and we

697
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 3>had mentioned him earlier, we mention him in the last episode,

698
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 3>and he had another one who was rather young. So

699
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 3>they do also question if it was not like a

700
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 3>pen name, if I do remember, yeah, and a little bit, yeah,

701
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.840
<v Speaker 3>a little bit about him. Supposedly he died around eight

702
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 3>o six to eight sixteen, and he's the purported author

703
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 3>of a ton of works in Arabic, often called the

704
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Jiberian Corpus. The works that survive today mainly deal with

705
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 3>alchemy and chemistry, magic and Schiite religion's philosophy. The original

706
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 3>scope of the Corpus was pretty vast and diverse. It

707
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>covered a wide range of topics from cosmology, astronomy, and astrology,

708
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:05.320
<v Speaker 3>also had medicine from mycology, zoology and botany botany. I

709
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 3>mean that's even if you even want to take the

710
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:16.079
<v Speaker 3>voyage manuscript at I guess face value or drawing value.

711
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.360
<v Speaker 3>That is all half the books like plants to begin

712
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 3>with too.

713
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 1>So I bet you it's a code.

714
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh No, I like I said, I think at some

715
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 3>point we'll be covering that and showing it as like

716
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.119
<v Speaker 3>in parts of parts of our parts Uh to metaphysics, logic,

717
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 3>and grammar. So there was a lot that this guy

718
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh wrote. Jabier's works contained the oldest known systematic classification

719
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.199
<v Speaker 3>of chemical substances and the oldest known instructions for deriving

720
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:51.639
<v Speaker 3>an inorganic compound from organic substances such as plants, blood,

721
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 3>and hair by chemical means. His works also contain one

722
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.719
<v Speaker 3>of the earliest known versions of the sulfur merk theory

723
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:06.639
<v Speaker 3>of metals, a mineralogical theory that would remain dominant until

724
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 3>the eighteenth century. A significant part of Jabir's writings were

725
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:15.800
<v Speaker 3>informed by a philosophical theory as the science of the balance,

726
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.719
<v Speaker 3>which was aimed at reducing all phenomena to his system

727
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 3>of measures and and quantitative proportions. As early as the

728
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 3>tenth century, the identity and an exact corpus of works

729
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.679
<v Speaker 3>of Jabir was in dispute in islam scholarly circles. The

730
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 3>authorship of all these works by a single figure, and

731
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.880
<v Speaker 3>even the existence of a historical Jabir or also doubted

732
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 3>by modern scholars. Instead, Jaber is thought to have been

733
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 3>a pseudonym used by an anonymous school of Chiite alchemists

734
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.679
<v Speaker 3>writing in the late ninth and tenth centuries.

735
00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Schiites, that was the whole thing between the

736
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Albuoni and in the Arab world, is that they were

737
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>going back and forth with their mystic texts. So just

738
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<v Speaker 1>an insert on.

739
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 3>That, thank you, one of the things he did do.

740
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 3>The seventy Books, also called the Book of seventy this

741
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 3>contains a systematic exposition of Giberian alchemy. It is organized

742
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 3>into seven parts, containing ten treaties each, three parts dealing

743
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 3>with the preparation of the elixir from animal, vegetable and

744
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 3>mineral substances, two parts dealing with the four elements from

745
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.280
<v Speaker 3>a theoretical and practical point of view, and one part

746
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 3>focusing on the alchemical use of animal substances and one

747
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:46.320
<v Speaker 3>part focusing on minerals and metals. It was translated into

748
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Latin by Gerard of Cremona under the title liber d

749
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 3>Septuaginta or something like that. By screwing that up, but

750
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 3>it seemed to I guess, have been important enough for

751
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 3>someone to try to transcribe it. Yeah, and that was

752
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.480
<v Speaker 3>back in The person who transcribed it died in eleven

753
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 3>eighty seven. Oh wow, Yeah, that's a long time. And

754
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 3>then we'll get on to somebody that I actually remembered

755
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 3>from I guess my occult studies coming across you know people,

756
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.519
<v Speaker 3>and that would be Pietro Bongo I'm saying correctly. He

757
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.360
<v Speaker 3>came from a noble family. He was born and raised

758
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 3>in Bergamo, Italy. He died on September twenty fourth, sixteen

759
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 3>oh one. Supposedly he studied the mathematical arts of quadrivium,

760
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 3>arithmetic and geometry, music theory and astronomy, and philosophy and theology,

761
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.920
<v Speaker 3>besides classical poetry and the occult sciences of magic and kabbala.

762
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 3>So it was into it all he met, said the Hebrew,

763
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 3>Greek and Latin languages in his books. He tried his

764
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 3>best to reconcile Pythagorean doctrine with Christian theological theology. That

765
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.519
<v Speaker 3>is another thing I do actually once you mentioned that,

766
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 3>I find interesting and it really makes me wonder about

767
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Catholicism really being more of occultism. And it's something that

768
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 3>I think will probably notice when we do get into

769
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.519
<v Speaker 3>covering some older grim ras later on down the road

770
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.119
<v Speaker 3>with the Occult Rejects or the n White Patriots show,

771
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 3>not sure, not sure which one yet, but eventually a

772
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 3>lot of them do have a lot of Catholic Catholicism

773
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 3>mixed into it, a lot.

774
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Very much so, very much so, very much so. It

775
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>almost reminds me of like the side note that you know,

776
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.679
<v Speaker 1>like here in like South Texas or whatever, how you

777
00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 1>see the intermix between the old Native American mythos and Catholicism.

778
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>You don't know where one begins and the other one ends.

779
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I see that a lot with these groom warms.

780
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah. His major work, the Screw This Up the

781
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Numerum Mysterio was uh and that's I got that up

782
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 3>right there on the screen was first published in fifteen

783
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 3>ninety one and received an imprimature, and that is a

784
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 3>declaration authorizing publication of a book. The term is also

785
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 3>applied loosely to any mark of approval or endorsement from

786
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 3>the Catholic Church. So stamp of approval by themah, the

787
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:48.920
<v Speaker 3>we improved this message. That messed with me up. That

788
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 3>was good. The book explores the mystical significance of numbers,

789
00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 3>beginning with lengthy discourses on the number one, two, and three,

790
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:05.639
<v Speaker 3>and continuing with shorter tracks on significant numbers later in sequence.

791
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Bongo uses a wide range of sources, including all pagan

792
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 3>literature and philosophy of classical Greece, Rome, and early Church fathers,

793
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:21.559
<v Speaker 3>and in the mainstream Catholic tradition of scholarship, and as

794
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 3>well as very recent scholarship of his own day. So

795
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 3>he seemed to have I think, kind of like grabbed

796
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 3>from different areas. One thing that I did want to

797
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 3>go over because I did mention before that he studied

798
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the mathematical arts of drivium or wherever you say that

799
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 3>in case people are like, what the hell was that?

800
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was a little interesting. It is from

801
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 3>the time of Plato through the Middle Ages, the quadrivium

802
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:53.639
<v Speaker 3>was a grouping of four subjects or arts, arithmetic, geometry, music,

803
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 3>and astronomy that formed a second curricular stage, following preparatory work,

804
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:05.119
<v Speaker 3>the Trivium, consisting of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. Together, the

805
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Trivium and the Quadrivium comprised the seven Liberal Arts and

806
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.119
<v Speaker 3>formed the basis of a liberal arts education in Western

807
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 3>society until gradually displaced as a curricular structure by the studio.

808
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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know how to say.

809
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<v Speaker 1>This, himanius y.

810
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Plus it's like underlined, it's telling me it's spelled wrong,

811
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 3>and it's later o shoots Beginning with Petriarch in the

812
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 3>fourteenth century. The seven classical arts were considered thinking skills

813
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and were distinguished from practical arts such as medicine and architecture.

814
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 3>These four studies composed the secondary part of the curriculum

815
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.760
<v Speaker 3>outlined by Plato in the Republic and described in the

816
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 3>seventh book of that work. So I just thought that

817
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<v Speaker 3>was interesting to know that, like, even stuff from back

818
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.320
<v Speaker 3>then that these people are into kind of has made

819
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 3>its way. But I think just gone in the total

820
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 3>opposite direction it was supposed to go in. Yeah, it's

821
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 3>like down instead of enlightened.

822
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 1>No, it seemed like everybody was educated and they like

823
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>majored in all these different subjects, and they were fluent

824
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in so many different things. And now it's like, can't

825
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:22.599
<v Speaker 1>even pass math.

826
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 3>And I just go into Liberal Arts and turn into a.

827
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Socialist holding signs on the street.

828
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, it's just so screwed up. Is that. It's like

829
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 3>it's like they forced you to have to do that. Yeah,

830
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 3>that's true, you know, especially I mean, I mean that's

831
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.840
<v Speaker 3>my experience, I knowing with colleges out here and stuff.

832
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 3>I know that, like you know, pretty much any college,

833
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:50.199
<v Speaker 3>even if you went to it or whatever, it's like

834
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:51.960
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have to take a Liberal arts first.

835
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what they do.

836
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.840
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's already like pushing. I don't know. I

837
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 3>just sometimes wonder the humanity. IM on to the next person.

838
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.760
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorites in this actually Anthonasius. I'm sure

839
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:12.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm screwing that up with Anthonasius Kircher. He was born

840
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.719
<v Speaker 3>on the May twid in either sixteen oh one or

841
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 3>sixteen oh two in uh Geisa, Buchonia near Fulda, which

842
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I think this was Germany. He attended the Jesuit College

843
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 3>in Fulda from sixteen fourteen to sixteen eighteen when he

844
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.239
<v Speaker 3>entered the society. He was taught Hebrew by a rabbi

845
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 3>in addition to his studies at school. He studied philosophy

846
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 3>and theology at Paderborn, but fled to Cologne in sixteen

847
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 3>twenty two to escape advancing Protestant forces. Don't know what

848
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 3>was going on then. From sixteen twenty two to sixteen

849
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty four, Kircher was sent to begin his regency period

850
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 3>in Clobe Ends. I'm saying that right as a teacher.

851
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 3>This was followed by an a Simon to holligs Stunt,

852
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:10.559
<v Speaker 3>where he taught mathematics, Hebrew and Syriac back in the

853
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 3>day sixteen hundreds. You've got people out there who was

854
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 3>teaching those three and people don't even know, like we

855
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 3>don't even have to speak one language correctly.

856
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.800
<v Speaker 1>That was just going to say the only language.

857
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm like thinking to myself, I'm like, you know how

858
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 3>long it takes me to spell everything correctly? Kind of text?

859
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like I don't he was people listening that have

860
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 3>text conversations to me like I know what he's doing.

861
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 3>For some reason, I have like deplorable jan in the

862
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 3>back of my head saying like he ain't lying.

863
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:48.599
<v Speaker 1>That's a shout out to her.

864
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.199
<v Speaker 3>He was ordained with the priesthood in sixteen twenty eight

865
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 3>and became professor of ethics and mathematics at the University

866
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:02.159
<v Speaker 3>of Wurzburg, where he also taught Hebrew in Syriac. Beginning

867
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.360
<v Speaker 3>in sixteen twenty eight, he began to show interest in

868
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.199
<v Speaker 3>Egyptian hieroglyphs. Kircher was also actively involved in the erection

869
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 3>of the pamph Umphilgy a pimp obelisk, and added hieroglyphs

870
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 3>of his design in the blank areas. Kircher made use

871
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:26.440
<v Speaker 3>of the Pythagorean principles to read hieroglyphs at this obelisk

872
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 3>and use the same form of interpretation when reading scripture.

873
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Kircher had an early interest in China, telling his superior

874
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 3>in sixteen twenty nine that he wished to become a

875
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 3>missionary to that country. Interesting. In sixteen sixty seven he

876
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 3>published a treatise whose full title was China Illustrata, which

877
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.079
<v Speaker 3>means China Illustrated. It was a work of an encyclopedia,

878
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 3>pretty much combining material from accurate photography, two mythical elements

879
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 3>such as study of dragons, now again, if it's a cult,

880
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, symbolism or whatever. Yeah, I may not whatever,

881
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 3>It might just be misunderstanding. The work drew heavily on

882
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 3>the reports of Jesuits working in China. In particular, Michael

883
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Boyme and Martino Martini just wanted to make mention that

884
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.079
<v Speaker 3>I found that interesting that the Jesuits were going over

885
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:27.400
<v Speaker 3>to China. I'll they go everywhere. Yeah, it's like the

886
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:37.119
<v Speaker 3>damn Mormons, the missions. A mission sounds so cute.

887
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Normalous, well, when you spoke it that way.

888
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Kertcher also was sent the Voyage Manuscript in sixteen sixty six,

889
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 3>What a better year to do it by by Johannes

890
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Marcus Marcy in the hope of Kircher being able to

891
00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 3>decipher it. In this uh Polographia Novai teen sixty three,

892
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 3>Kircher proposed that it was an artificial universal language. That's all.

893
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I really got out of what he thought about it.

894
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Kircher published urs Magna Lucius et Ombre concerning the display

895
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:21.119
<v Speaker 3>of images on a screen using an apparatus similar to

896
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 3>the magic lantern developed by Christian Huygens and others. Kercher

897
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 3>described the construction of a lamp that used reflection to

898
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:35.400
<v Speaker 3>project images on the wall of a darkened room. Although

899
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Kircher did not invent the device, he improved it in

900
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:43.639
<v Speaker 3>suggested methods by which exhibitors could use the device. Much

901
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 3>of the significance of his work arises from Kircher's rational

902
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 3>approach towards the the demystification of projected images.

903
00:56:54.880 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 1>It's like the beginnings of the holographic you know technology.

904
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Or even knowing even knowing that, like or if he's

905
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.079
<v Speaker 3>demystifying it, does that mean that people in mind fucking

906
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 3>people with it? Ah, or people misunderstood what they're actually seeing.

907
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, when he's when you're saying projecting images and

908
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, I'm thinking of the early experiments with

909
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the eye and trying to look at you know, how

910
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the lens work. Yeah, so that's very interesting.

911
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, here we go. Previously, such images had been used

912
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:35.880
<v Speaker 3>in Europe to mimic supernatural appearances. Kirtscha himself cites the

913
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 3>use of displayed images by the rabbis in the court

914
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 3>of King Solomon. Kurtcha's stressed that exhibitors should take great

915
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 3>care to inform spectators that such images were purely naturalistic

916
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 3>and not magical.

917
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>So even back then they didn't they you know, they

918
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.280
<v Speaker 1>were trying to say, oh, it's not magic, it's not magic.

919
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.960
<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean, Like yeah, kind of like

920
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.800
<v Speaker 5>what's still going on today, or that's not what you

921
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.280
<v Speaker 5>think magic is exactly Kercher.

922
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 3>He also constructed a magnetic clock, which he explained in

923
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 3>his Magnus, which came out in sixteen forty one. The

924
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:24.280
<v Speaker 3>clock had been invented by another Jesuit, Linus of Liege

925
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:32.159
<v Speaker 3>Kircher's patron. I'm saying this correctly. Parisk had claimed that

926
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.800
<v Speaker 3>the clock's motion supported the Copernican cosmological model, arguing that

927
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 3>the magnetic sphere and the clock rotated by the magnetic

928
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 3>force of the sun. Kircher's model disproved that hypothesis, showing

929
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 3>that the motion could be produced by a water clock

930
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 3>in the base of the device. The clock has been

931
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 3>reconstructed by Carolyn Orguru in collaboration with Michael John Gorman

932
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 3>and is on display at the Green Library at Statford

933
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Stanford University. So, I mean, I do think this guy

934
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:10.639
<v Speaker 3>has come out with some wild stuff too.

935
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure.

936
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 3>The mysteria no, I'm sorry, the Musurgia univalis from sixteen

937
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:25.039
<v Speaker 3>fifty sets out Kirch's views on music. He believed that

938
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:28.840
<v Speaker 3>the harmony of music reflected the proportions of the universe.

939
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.039
<v Speaker 3>The book includes plans for constructing water powered automatic organs,

940
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 3>notations of birds song, and diagrams of musical instruments. One

941
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.840
<v Speaker 3>illustration shows the difference between the ears of humans and

942
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 3>other animals. In Forenergia Nova sixteen seventy three, Kertscher considered

943
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:56.159
<v Speaker 3>the possibilities of transmitting music to remote places.

944
00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 1>That's cool.

945
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 3>In sixteen three, this guy was talking about transmitting music

946
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:04.920
<v Speaker 3>and sounds.

947
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing.

948
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And we have here I'm backtracking a little bit.

949
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 3>This is the The All Seeing Eye, which was a

950
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of like a thing that was published by Manly

951
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 3>and edited by Manly Pole. And he had an opinion

952
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 3>on Athanasius Kurture. Did you see right here? There is

953
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.679
<v Speaker 3>no doubt that Kercher was assisted by a group of

954
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:38.000
<v Speaker 3>very able specialists in various forms of scientific and philosophic research.

955
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:43.039
<v Speaker 3>He apparently superintended and edited the writings of these various

956
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.679
<v Speaker 3>men and then adding whatever remarks he felt would clarify

957
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 3>the text. He just published the various works in a

958
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.360
<v Speaker 3>large number of massive tomes folio and in some case

959
01:00:54.159 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 3>intricately constructed books if you containing movable charts in diagrams

960
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.000
<v Speaker 3>consisting of wheels which actively revolved upon the paper, and

961
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:09.440
<v Speaker 3>similar curious devices. That's even like another thing, like some

962
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.039
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff this guy was doing, Like you know,

963
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.239
<v Speaker 3>it was pretty pretty well books, very advanced. Oh yeah,

964
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 3>should spend in your turn and stuff. Kirtchure included in

965
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:26.360
<v Speaker 3>his researches such as such subjects as alchemy, capitalism, cryptography,

966
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and early geography. One of his books contains a most

967
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 3>curious map of Atlantis, showing this continent as an island.

968
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt that many of his volumes contain cryptograms,

969
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.239
<v Speaker 3>few of which have ever been deciphered. For in his

970
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:47.679
<v Speaker 3>research he discovered many valuable items of arcane lore which

971
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.000
<v Speaker 3>he could not safely have published except under the concealment

972
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:52.480
<v Speaker 3>of cryptography.

973
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:55.039
<v Speaker 1>There you go.

974
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.239
<v Speaker 3>There is much to indicate that probability, the probability that

975
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:03.679
<v Speaker 3>Kerchure was an initiated member of the Roscha Crucian Fraternity,

976
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.559
<v Speaker 3>which at the time included many eminent Catholic scholars in

977
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:14.039
<v Speaker 3>its ranks. Curious Rosicrucion emblems as watermarks in the paper

978
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:18.360
<v Speaker 3>of the books which Kircher publish substantiate the theory that

979
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:23.440
<v Speaker 3>at least some of his works contain Rosicrucian secrets profoundly

980
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:29.559
<v Speaker 3>concealed under a various enigmatical figure. I think can continue

981
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:35.119
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more about what he said about it. Yes.

982
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:40.639
<v Speaker 3>The most famous of Kirsch's writings is the Odipus Egypticus

983
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:44.159
<v Speaker 3>or whatever you say, This damn thing. A monumental achievement

984
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.320
<v Speaker 3>and usually found in three or four volumes, but sometimes

985
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.960
<v Speaker 3>appearing in two large folios. This work covers the religions

986
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:58.280
<v Speaker 3>in the philosophies of the ancient world, an analysis of mythologies, languages, arts, crafts,

987
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 3>and sciences, and includes several remarkable attempts to interpret the

988
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:09.840
<v Speaker 3>hieroglyphs figures of the Egyptians. The volumes are are illustrated

989
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:14.679
<v Speaker 3>with literally thousands of figures, in most cases well drawn. Yeah,

990
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:19.119
<v Speaker 3>how he says, the interpretations of the figures demonstrate Kirtcha

991
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:25.119
<v Speaker 3>to have been a mystic and a Platonist. Several excellent

992
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:32.000
<v Speaker 3>statements are found to be found concerning Pythagoras in his mathematics. Hermes,

993
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:36.119
<v Speaker 3>Zoraster and Moses are also treated in an intelligent and

994
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:37.159
<v Speaker 3>inspired manner.

995
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

996
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 3>So that's what he had to say about Anthony's Kirture,

997
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Anthony's Church, whatever you say, his name of it. But

998
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I just find, you know, he's somebody who was heavily

999
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:54.519
<v Speaker 3>into you know, numbers, cryptography, you know, huge into that.

1000
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:57.239
<v Speaker 3>This is some of the stuff that I'm showing you

1001
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:58.880
<v Speaker 3>up here. And it's even like you know, showing you

1002
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 3>breakdowns of him, like values of stuff. You know, he

1003
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 3>was very much into the whole idea of like, you know,

1004
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 3>values to letters and ciphers.

1005
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

1006
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Here's another one. You know, who knows if that's like,

1007
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, a big type of cipher thing that wheel.

1008
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:16.199
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

1009
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Most of these ciphers are in a circular pattern, which

1010
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I find pretty particular.

1011
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:24.239
<v Speaker 3>He has like some other ones where it's like showing

1012
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:28.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, values to things. So the symbols and letters,

1013
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, so this was a guy. I mean, he

1014
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 3>even had in his sixteen sixty five thing. He's got

1015
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:36.519
<v Speaker 3>the square of Abercate Daber in there. You know, he's

1016
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 3>got the fourth the magic square or four whatever, the

1017
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:45.000
<v Speaker 3>fourth you know, the magic square fourth, the fourth square. Uh,

1018
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:49.679
<v Speaker 3>he's got that in there. So here was some of

1019
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that he did with the maps. This is

1020
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.800
<v Speaker 3>supposedly the one of Atlantis that he drew. I find

1021
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:02.320
<v Speaker 3>that interesting. That is, Yeah, he was even here entertaining Atlantis.

1022
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 3>He's got the Coptic alphabet there, and like you know,

1023
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.440
<v Speaker 3>values and stuff and you know, or kind of like

1024
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:17.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess, uh, showing associations with other things. Here's the

1025
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:18.440
<v Speaker 3>map of China that he did.

1026
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:20.440
<v Speaker 1>That's fascinating.

1027
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah back then, Yeah, how the hell did you even

1028
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:25.239
<v Speaker 3>know that?

1029
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like it's I would have copied and

1030
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.639
<v Speaker 1>traced it something and said I did it. But that's extensive.

1031
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean you would have to look above. That's what

1032
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting, you know what I mean, Like it's.

1033
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I just think it's kind of interesting

1034
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 3>in itself, Like where the hell do we get maps from.

1035
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:56.519
<v Speaker 1>The weekend with Yeah, with that it only makes from above.

1036
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.679
<v Speaker 3>But I understand how like, yeah, I guess you could

1037
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<v Speaker 3>draw your travels across the you know, against the land,

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01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:11.599
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know about all that. All right, moving

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01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.440
<v Speaker 3>on some more stuff of his again. This is even

1040
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.679
<v Speaker 3>the thing I think I was talking about animal ears

1041
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:22.239
<v Speaker 3>and regular ears, human ears, the model of the earth's

1042
01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:26.599
<v Speaker 3>internal fires. Thought this was interesting, the medic magnetic clock,

1043
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Speaker 3>and now or into since we had mentioned him so

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01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:41.360
<v Speaker 3>many times. Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, also Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von

1045
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Nietscheim whatever I'm saying that right, And he was born

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01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:49.800
<v Speaker 3>September fourteenth, fourteen eighty six. And he has too died

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01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:55.000
<v Speaker 3>February eighteenth, fifteen thirty five. He was a German Renaissance

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01:06:55.199 --> 01:07:01.239
<v Speaker 3>polymed physician, legal scholar, soldier feel Elgin, and a cult writer.

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01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Agrippa's three books of a cult philosophy, published in fifteen

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01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 3>thirty three, was heavily influenced by Kabbalah, Hermeticism, and neo Platonism.

1051
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:17.679
<v Speaker 3>His book was widely influential among esoterics of the modern

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01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 3>of the early modern period, and still is to this thing,

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01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:25.039
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion. He was also condemned as heretical by

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01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 3>the Inquisitor of Cologne. Agrippa was born in Nedesheim, near Cologne,

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01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:38.320
<v Speaker 3>to a family of middle nobility. Many members of his

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01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:41.440
<v Speaker 3>family had been in service to the House of Habsburn.

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01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:46.039
<v Speaker 3>Gripper studied at the University of Cologne from fourteen ninety

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01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.320
<v Speaker 3>nine to fifteen oh two, and they're saying that that

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01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:53.320
<v Speaker 3>was from the age of thirteen to sixty when he

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01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:59.960
<v Speaker 3>received a degree of Magister RTM. Now a Magister of Art.

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01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.360
<v Speaker 3>That's basically what that is, and that is abbreviated with

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<v Speaker 3>M M dot A dot A M or a dot

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<v Speaker 3>M dot, And that just sounds a lot kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the Freemasons accepted, you know, the FNA and M.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, it does.

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<v Speaker 3>The degree is usually associated with that of a Minister

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01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.960
<v Speaker 3>of science. It is likely that Agrippa's interest in the

1068
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 3>occult came from his Albertist influence. Agrippa himself named Albert

1069
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:38.399
<v Speaker 3>Albert's Speculum specun as, one of the first occult study texts.

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01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.760
<v Speaker 3>He later studied in Paris, when he apparently took part

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01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:44.880
<v Speaker 3>in a secret society involved in the occult. You'll find

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<v Speaker 3>out which one exactly. In fifteen oh eight, Agrippa traveled

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01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:52.600
<v Speaker 3>to Spain to work as a mercenary. He continued his

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01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:57.840
<v Speaker 3>travels through Valencia, the Belarus, Sardinia, Naples, Avignon, and Lyon.

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01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.680
<v Speaker 3>He served as a captain in the army of Maximilian,

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01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:07.039
<v Speaker 3>the first Holy Roman Emperor, who awarded him the title

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01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:10.800
<v Speaker 3>of Ritter, I think it's kind of like Knight. In

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01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:13.760
<v Speaker 3>the winter of fifteen oh nine to fifteen ten, Agrippa

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01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:19.600
<v Speaker 3>returned to Germany and studied with Johannes Trithemius at Wurzburg.

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<v Speaker 3>On April eighth, fifteen ten, he dedicated the then unpublished

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01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:32.840
<v Speaker 3>first draft of the Oculta Philosophia on the Occult philosophy

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01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:38.239
<v Speaker 3>in English terms to Trithemius recommended that Agrippa keep his

1083
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:43.000
<v Speaker 3>occult studies secret. Fun fact, April eighth is also the

1084
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:48.520
<v Speaker 3>first day of the Bad Agrippa followed Maximilian to Italy

1085
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.760
<v Speaker 3>in fifteen eleven, and as a theologian, attended the Schismatic

1086
01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:57.079
<v Speaker 3>Council of Pisa in fifteen twelve, which was called by

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01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:01.800
<v Speaker 3>some cardinals in opposition to a council by Pope Julius

1088
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:06.119
<v Speaker 3>the Second. He remained in Italy for seven years, partly

1089
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 3>in the service of William the ninth, Marquis of Montferrat,

1090
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:17.239
<v Speaker 3>and probably occupied in study and teaching theology and practicing medicine.

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01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:21.399
<v Speaker 3>During his time in northern Italy, Agrippa came into contact

1092
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:27.439
<v Speaker 3>with Augustino Ricci and perhaps Paolo Ricci, and studied the

1093
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:36.039
<v Speaker 3>works of philosophers Marsilio Ficino and Giovanni Pico della Mirandolo,

1094
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:42.079
<v Speaker 3>and he studied the Cabbala. Side note. Giovanni that I

1095
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:46.600
<v Speaker 3>just mentioned was an Italian Renaissance nobleman and philosopher. He

1096
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.239
<v Speaker 3>is famed through the events of fourteen eighty six, when,

1097
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:52.720
<v Speaker 3>at the age of twenty three, he proposed to defend

1098
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:58.520
<v Speaker 3>nine hundred theses on religion, philosophy, natural philosophy, and magic

1099
01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:02.279
<v Speaker 3>against all like other kind of like church shit. He

1100
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:06.840
<v Speaker 3>wrote Theoration on the Dignity of Man, which has been

1101
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:11.359
<v Speaker 3>called the manifesto of the Renaissance and a key text

1102
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:15.840
<v Speaker 3>of Renaissance humanism and of what has been called the

1103
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.399
<v Speaker 3>Hermetic Reformation. He was the founder of the tradition of

1104
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:28.439
<v Speaker 3>Christian Kabbala, a key tenant of early modern Western esotericism.

1105
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:32.399
<v Speaker 3>These nine hundred theses were first printed to a first

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01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:38.840
<v Speaker 3>printed book to be universally banned by the Church. I

1107
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:40.840
<v Speaker 3>think it's just interesting to get an idea of a

1108
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.039
<v Speaker 3>little bit of the people they were influenced there hanging

1109
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:43.760
<v Speaker 3>in around with them.

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01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, they mentioned Mirondola a lot in some of these texts.

1111
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.800
<v Speaker 1>When they'll they'll cross reference him for some reason, and

1112
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I had not I meant to look him up, but

1113
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:55.039
<v Speaker 1>they mentioned him a lot.

1114
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:00.760
<v Speaker 3>And then in fifteen fifteen he lectured at the University

1115
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:06.600
<v Speaker 3>of Pavia on the commander of Hermes Tris Megistist. But

1116
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:10.399
<v Speaker 3>these electures were abruptly terminated owing to the victories of

1117
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Francis the First, the King of France. Again, I was

1118
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:17.199
<v Speaker 3>talking about how he was really known for the Three

1119
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Books of a Cult Philosophy. I have these up on

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01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:22.319
<v Speaker 3>the screen showing some of it. I know a little

1121
01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:24.560
<v Speaker 3>bit about it. The Three Books of a Cult Philosophy

1122
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.840
<v Speaker 3>is a Grippa's study of a cult philosophy, acknowledged as

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01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.560
<v Speaker 3>a significant is acknowledged as a significant contribution to the

1124
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:37.479
<v Speaker 3>Renaissance philosophical discussion concerning the powers of magic and its

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01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:42.600
<v Speaker 3>relationship with religion. The first book was printed in fifteen

1126
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:47.760
<v Speaker 3>thirty one in Paris, Cologne and in Antwerp, while the

1127
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:54.399
<v Speaker 3>full three volumes first appeared in Cologne in fifteen thirty three. Excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>The three books deal with elemental, celestial, and intellectual magic.

1129
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:06.760
<v Speaker 3>The books outlined the four elements, astrology, Kabbalah, numerology, angels,

1130
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.560
<v Speaker 3>names of God, the virtues and relationships with each other,

1131
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:15.520
<v Speaker 3>as well as methods of utilizing these relationships and laws

1132
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:22.119
<v Speaker 3>in medicine, scriying, alchemy, ceremonial magic, and origins of what

1133
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:29.000
<v Speaker 3>are from the Hebrew, Greek, and Chaldean context. Agrippa's interpret

1134
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:33.760
<v Speaker 3>interpretation of magic is similar similar to the authors Orsilio

1135
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Ficino basically people I mentioned before and Johann Ruxelyn's synthesis

1136
01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:46.199
<v Speaker 3>of magic and religion and emphasize and exploration of nature.

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01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.800
<v Speaker 3>My opinion, I do think and you know, if there's

1138
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 3>people who are into ceremonial magic, has studied it or whatever,

1139
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:56.239
<v Speaker 3>I just you know, a lot of people do look

1140
01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:58.399
<v Speaker 3>at this guy and the magic community as kind of

1141
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.880
<v Speaker 3>be in one of the ogs, you know. So there's

1142
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.279
<v Speaker 3>probably a reason for that, not saying that we're all

1143
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 3>getting it correct when we look at this stuff either.

1144
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:10.000
<v Speaker 3>But you know, and here's just some of the slides.

1145
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:11.840
<v Speaker 3>I think everyone need to show these again until he

1146
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.000
<v Speaker 3>show that this person wasn't too like you know, numerical

1147
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:20.720
<v Speaker 3>value and symbols and value again. He's even showing the

1148
01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:24.920
<v Speaker 3>same planetary squares they we were just talking about earlier.

1149
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:26.880
<v Speaker 3>That was what in the thirteen hundreds in that book.

1150
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:31.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, again he's showing the same stuff in his Yeah,

1151
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.800
<v Speaker 3>stuff that I even showed in the first episode. Again,

1152
01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:37.199
<v Speaker 3>you know these things do pop up.

1153
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Will they use them over and over?

1154
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1155
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're using them for a reason.

1156
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:46.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, some more stuff. I mean, these things almost

1157
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.119
<v Speaker 3>look like his own languages. And then we go. I

1158
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:53.000
<v Speaker 3>figured might as well go to the person that he

1159
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 3>learned from. Kind of Johannes is truth to Meus was

1160
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:03.119
<v Speaker 3>born Johann heiden Heidenberg on the February one, fourteen sixty two.

1161
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:08.039
<v Speaker 3>When he died December thirteenth, fifteen sixteen. He was a

1162
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:13.560
<v Speaker 3>German Benedictine abbot and a polymath who was active in

1163
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.079
<v Speaker 3>the German Renaissance as a I don't even know how

1164
01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:26.359
<v Speaker 3>you say this word lexig. How do you say lexo? Yeah, lexographer, yeah, lexographer, chronicler, cryptographer,

1165
01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:32.199
<v Speaker 3>and occultist. He is considered the founder of modern cryptography,

1166
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:39.359
<v Speaker 3>a claim also shared with Leon Bautista Alberti, and he

1167
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.279
<v Speaker 3>was also big into steganography, as well as the founder

1168
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:50.399
<v Speaker 3>of bibliography and literary studies as branches of knowledge. He

1169
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:54.560
<v Speaker 3>had considerable influence on the development of early modern and

1170
01:15:54.760 --> 01:16:01.840
<v Speaker 3>modern occultism. His students included Heinrich Cornelius grit and Para Celsius,

1171
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Para Kelsius. How you say his name? There are theories,

1172
01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:08.840
<v Speaker 3>and I do want to mention this. There are theories

1173
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:12.479
<v Speaker 3>that Megan covered the Arbitel with me previously in the

1174
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:16.000
<v Speaker 3>past she covered it pretty well. Has She also theorized

1175
01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:18.800
<v Speaker 3>he may have written the Arbitel, which is another well

1176
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:24.560
<v Speaker 3>known Yeah, so not that Johannes did, but that Para

1177
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Celsius Celsis did. That he was the one who did.

1178
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.079
<v Speaker 3>When Johannes was still an infant, his father, Johann von

1179
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Heidenberg died, and then his stepfather, whom his mother Elizabeth

1180
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:42.680
<v Speaker 3>married seven years later, was hostile to education, and Johannes

1181
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.640
<v Speaker 3>could only learn in secret. He learned Greek, Latin and Hebrew.

1182
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:51.119
<v Speaker 3>When he was seventeen years old, he escaped from his

1183
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:57.520
<v Speaker 3>home and wandered around looking for good teachers, traveling to Treer, Cologne,

1184
01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:02.960
<v Speaker 3>the Netherlands Heidelberg. He studied at the University of Heidelberg.

1185
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:07.760
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that he is known for. I

1186
01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:09.880
<v Speaker 3>thought this was kind of like an interesting funny one's

1187
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:14.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of cover. Trithemius had a reputation as a necromancer.

1188
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:18.600
<v Speaker 3>The forced legend is strongly based on a legend involving Maximilian,

1189
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:24.279
<v Speaker 3>his first wife, Mary of Burgundy, and Trithemius. Throughout his

1190
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:27.880
<v Speaker 3>fifteen oh seven account, Trithemius was the first author who

1191
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:37.039
<v Speaker 3>mentioned the historical doctor Faustus or Johann Faust of Nittlingen Knittlingen.

1192
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:41.560
<v Speaker 3>In the letter he wrote to the polymath Heinrich Cornelius

1193
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:45.039
<v Speaker 3>or Gripper. He appeared to criticize the vanity of Forst,

1194
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.159
<v Speaker 3>who had inferious skills and went against the teachings of

1195
01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:52.359
<v Speaker 3>the Church, being summoned to the Emperor's court in fifteen

1196
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:55.520
<v Speaker 3>In fifteen oh six and fifteen oh seven, he also

1197
01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:01.880
<v Speaker 3>helped to prove Maximilian's Trojan origins. In the fifteen sixty

1198
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:07.640
<v Speaker 3>nine edition of his tiss Tish Reddin Martin Luther writes

1199
01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:11.920
<v Speaker 3>about a magician and necromancer understood to be Trithemius, who

1200
01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:15.880
<v Speaker 3>summoned Alexander the Great and other ancient heroes, as well

1201
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:19.880
<v Speaker 3>as the Empress, the emperor's deceased wife, and Mary of

1202
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:26.479
<v Speaker 3>Burgundy to entertain Maximilian. And yeah, I mean I don't

1203
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:30.239
<v Speaker 3>know who knows, And you know, see this is again,

1204
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.760
<v Speaker 3>when you have two people that are huge on Cipher's

1205
01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and this guy is like, you know, the god of

1206
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 3>this shit, the og of this stuff. How do you

1207
01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:40.680
<v Speaker 3>know if these stories are supposed to be taken as literal?

1208
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's.

1209
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.079
<v Speaker 3>Supposed to be running through cipherful.

1210
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think, yeah, it might very well be.

1211
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know, parts of it something. Who knows, you know,

1212
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:53.720
<v Speaker 3>there might be some play on this. Uh oh man,

1213
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:58.880
<v Speaker 3>where was I Yeah. In his fifteen eighty five account,

1214
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Augustine lurch lerch Shimer writes that after Mary's death, Tristhimiez

1215
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:10.359
<v Speaker 3>was summoned to console a devastated Maximilian. Trithimiez conjured a

1216
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:14.319
<v Speaker 3>shade of Mary who looked exactly like her when alive.

1217
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Maximilian also recognized a birthmark on her neck that only

1218
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:24.079
<v Speaker 3>he knew about. He was just distraught by the experience, though,

1219
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:28.039
<v Speaker 3>and ordered him to never do it again. An anonymous

1220
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.840
<v Speaker 3>account in fifteen eighty seven modified the story in a

1221
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:36.319
<v Speaker 3>less sympathetic version. The Emperor became Charles the Fifth, who,

1222
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:40.720
<v Speaker 3>despite knowing about the risk of black magic, ordered forced

1223
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.239
<v Speaker 3>this to raise Alexander and his wife from death. Charles

1224
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.920
<v Speaker 3>saw that the woman had a birthmark which he had

1225
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:51.960
<v Speaker 3>heard about, so you know, again back to the birthmark. Later,

1226
01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 3>the woman in Goethe's gowaits Forced became Helen of Troy.

1227
01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:02.359
<v Speaker 3>The story of maximum Million, Mary of Burgundy and the

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01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Abbot Johannes trith Tritham later appeared as one of Grimm's tales.

1229
01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.039
<v Speaker 3>I tried looking for that. I mean, I couldn't find it.

1230
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:18.279
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and here we're going to get into one

1231
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.840
<v Speaker 3>of his books that I thought was really interesting to cover.

1232
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:24.880
<v Speaker 3>And I remember this book from back in the day,

1233
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, going through grimoires and his old books and

1234
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:33.640
<v Speaker 3>looking at the stuff with like ciphers or associations and values.

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<v Speaker 3>Stega Nographia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, right, I mean, that's a long word.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Steganographia trith to mess most famous work, Steganographia, was

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01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:51.159
<v Speaker 3>written around the fourteen ninety nine and published in Frankfurt

1239
01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:55.279
<v Speaker 3>in sixteen oh six. He was placed on the Index

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01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Librorum Prohibitorium in sixty nine and removed in nineteen hundred.

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01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:08.199
<v Speaker 3>This book is in three volumes and about magic, specifically

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01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:13.960
<v Speaker 3>about using spirits to communicate over long distances. Since the

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01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:18.239
<v Speaker 3>publication of the decryption key, to the first two volumes

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01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.319
<v Speaker 3>in sixteen oh six, they have been known to be

1245
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:27.720
<v Speaker 3>actually concerned with cryptography and steganography. It's real big right

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01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:34.359
<v Speaker 3>here again. Until recently, the third volume was widely still

1247
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:38.399
<v Speaker 3>believed to be solely about magic, but the magical formula

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01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:42.479
<v Speaker 3>have now been shown to be covert texts for yet

1249
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:48.800
<v Speaker 3>more cryptographic content. However, mentions of the magical work within

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01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:51.960
<v Speaker 3>the third book by such figures as Agrippa and John

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01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:56.079
<v Speaker 3>d still lend credence to the idea of a mystical,

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01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:01.640
<v Speaker 3>mystic magical foundation. In the third book, Robert Hook suggested

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01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:05.359
<v Speaker 3>in the chapter of Doctor D's Book of Spirits that

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01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:09.239
<v Speaker 3>John De made use of trith to meim trith to

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01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:14.479
<v Speaker 3>mean his tegnography to conceal his communication with Queen Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Amongst the codes used in this book is day and

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01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:22.000
<v Speaker 3>this is something I want to cover next one is

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01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:27.399
<v Speaker 3>they ave Maria cipher where each coded letter is replaced

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01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:33.000
<v Speaker 3>by a short sentence about Jesus in Latin. That's crazy, yep.

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01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:37.560
<v Speaker 3>So these people that screw around with numbers and crytography

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01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:38.800
<v Speaker 3>and cipher's, I mean.

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01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there were something that they're making their own stuff.

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01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:49.800
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. Then we'll go on to this one which

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01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:53.239
<v Speaker 3>you wrote to my attention. Oh, here's just some more

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01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:54.840
<v Speaker 3>of like kind of like showing the sight, you know.

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01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:58.399
<v Speaker 3>I thought these were interesting, like ciphers and stuff, stuff

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01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:03.399
<v Speaker 3>he did in his book. Then we're going to get

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01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:06.560
<v Speaker 3>to I don't even know how you say this book

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01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:16.079
<v Speaker 3>katab shork al Mustaham something like that, The Long Desired

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01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Fulfilled Knowledge of Occult Alphabets or Occult Alphabets. Bye. And

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01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:26.079
<v Speaker 3>this is even another thing. I think it might be questionable.

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01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Iban Washhia that was supposedly around eight sixty three. See

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01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:39.680
<v Speaker 3>The Long Desired Fulfilled Knowledge of Occult Alphabets, also known

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01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:44.680
<v Speaker 3>in English as Ancient Alphabets, is a hermetic discussion of

1275
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:49.439
<v Speaker 3>the esoteric meaning of various scripts and ciphers, both real

1276
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:54.800
<v Speaker 3>and fictitious. It is written perhaps by Iban, like I

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01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:00.520
<v Speaker 3>said before, also known as Abu Bakar Ahma had been

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01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Ali who lived in the ninth and tenth centuries. He

1279
01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:10.199
<v Speaker 3>wrote a number of books on hermetic philosophy, toxicology, magic,

1280
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:15.600
<v Speaker 3>and the occult. This includes Nabuten Agriculture, which the author

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01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:19.560
<v Speaker 3>of the Pika Trix openly drew from, and the Pika

1282
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:22.479
<v Speaker 3>trix is a That's something that I think was going

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01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:24.840
<v Speaker 3>to be one of those books I'm eventually going to cover.

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01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>It's I believe it's an Arabic, yes, which is.

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01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:30.439
<v Speaker 3>Why I want to get into it. Yeah. I even

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01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.119
<v Speaker 3>think the whole thing with the mansions of the moon

1287
01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:34.840
<v Speaker 3>and how everything's with the moon very interesting. He was

1288
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:39.039
<v Speaker 3>the first historian to decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs by relating

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01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:44.359
<v Speaker 3>them to the contemporary Coptic language. While some have argued

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01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:48.760
<v Speaker 3>that the text is a Renaissance forgery based on Prodamus

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01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:55.439
<v Speaker 3>Koptis by the seventeenth century German Jesuit Anthonyesius Kircher, most

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01:24:55.479 --> 01:25:01.600
<v Speaker 3>scholars agree that it is a genuine ninth century medic account.

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01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:04.239
<v Speaker 3>I do think it's funny how they are saying, no,

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01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:08.159
<v Speaker 3>it's Kirchers, you know, back to somebody had just talked about.

1295
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:15.399
<v Speaker 3>It's worth noting that Ivan contributor contributions were well known

1296
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:20.800
<v Speaker 3>among Arab Egyptologists and in Europe, including Kircher, who built

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01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:26.079
<v Speaker 3>upon some of his findings. Anyway, according to jacko or

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01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:32.920
<v Speaker 3>Jacob Hamen and Tila katab Shah, however, you say this

1299
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:38.359
<v Speaker 3>guy's name may have been authored by Hassan Iban for Raj,

1300
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:44.920
<v Speaker 3>an obscured descendant of the Heranian Sabian scholars, you know,

1301
01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.279
<v Speaker 3>who claimed to have merely copied the work in the

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01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:50.399
<v Speaker 3>year of four thirteen, which have been ten twenty two

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01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:55.199
<v Speaker 3>a d. The book deals with I've seen a couple

1304
01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:59.479
<v Speaker 3>of different numbers for this. The book deals with eighty nine.

1305
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:03.439
<v Speaker 3>I think think you saw eighty something. I've seen ninety three.

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01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:07.000
<v Speaker 3>The book deals with I'll just stick with the eight

1307
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.640
<v Speaker 3>and nine ancient languages in their writings in comparison in

1308
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Arabic below. And this is just a small list. I

1309
01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.720
<v Speaker 3>took out most of them. But you have Thecufic alphabet.

1310
01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:21.640
<v Speaker 3>You have the Indian alphabet on three different sorts, the

1311
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:26.079
<v Speaker 3>Syrian alphabet, the Old Nabathian alphabet, the Hebrew alphabet, the

1312
01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:29.399
<v Speaker 3>Greek alphabet, the alphabet of Hermes, the alphabet of Plato,

1313
01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:33.600
<v Speaker 3>the alphabet of Pythagoras, the alphabet of Socrates of Aristotle,

1314
01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:38.279
<v Speaker 3>the red alphabet invented and used by the philosopher Magnus,

1315
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:44.159
<v Speaker 3>the talisman alphabet invented by Greek phalalas philosopher. I don't

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01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:45.600
<v Speaker 3>even know how to say that. I'm not even gonna

1317
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:50.239
<v Speaker 3>try to the mysterious alphabet invented by Hellosh, the Greek

1318
01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.520
<v Speaker 3>philosopher who used it in his books, the alphabet of

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01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Hermes abou Tat the philosopher, the alphabet of Saturn, the

1320
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:01.680
<v Speaker 3>alphabet of Jupiter, the alphabet of more Mars, the alphabet

1321
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:05.560
<v Speaker 3>of the Sun, you know all, the alphabet of Taurus

1322
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:08.359
<v Speaker 3>under the influence of Mars, the alphab the alphabet of

1323
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Areas under the influence of Mars, the alphabet of King Kimas.

1324
01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:17.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, so that this guy tons the alphabet of

1325
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.399
<v Speaker 3>the Pharaohs, the oldest child Dian alphabet he has in there.

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01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:24.439
<v Speaker 3>Supposedly that's a lot.

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01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is from one of his things. In this

1329
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:37.760
<v Speaker 3>section on hieroglyphics used to express world's relative to animal

1330
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:43.640
<v Speaker 3>actions and affections, Washia includes a mysterious figure which he

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01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:48.960
<v Speaker 3>briefly explains. It is expressive of the most sublime secret.

1332
01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:51.279
<v Speaker 3>You know, I even think like Crowley's even used that

1333
01:27:51.319 --> 01:28:00.279
<v Speaker 3>phrase polled originally bohumad and carouge or cav or the

1334
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.039
<v Speaker 3>secret of the nature of the worlds or the secret

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01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:06.359
<v Speaker 3>of secrets, which I've heard used, or the beginning in

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01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Return of Everything. This text remains undiscovered and Uhia doesn't

1337
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:18.000
<v Speaker 3>explain what it means, but Anthonasius Kircher discusses it at

1338
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:22.800
<v Speaker 3>great length in his sixteen thirty six work Prodromus Coptus,

1339
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:27.239
<v Speaker 3>the Coptic or Egyptian Forerunner. The figure derives from the

1340
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Bembian tablet or the menza Isaiaca or whatever. The Isaiah tablet,

1341
01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:38.760
<v Speaker 3>an elaborate tablet of tablet of bronze with enamel in

1342
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:42.960
<v Speaker 3>silver inlet. The tablet is now regarded as of Roman

1343
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:49.760
<v Speaker 3>rather than Egyptian origin, dating to sometime to the first century. Apparently,

1344
01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:53.119
<v Speaker 3>the winged figure is holding a tablet inscribed with Coptic

1345
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Egyptian characters, representative of the four elements, which Kirchure associates

1346
01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:03.439
<v Speaker 3>with unity of old things. The drawing represents the connection

1347
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:08.239
<v Speaker 3>between the macrocosm and microcosm, according to Kircher, depicts a

1348
01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:16.560
<v Speaker 3>scare beetle with the head of Horus, the subluinary demons

1349
01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:21.199
<v Speaker 3>who traffic between the high and low. This would explain

1350
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:24.600
<v Speaker 3>why the figure was sacred or representative of the beliefs

1351
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:30.680
<v Speaker 3>of the hauranin Sabbians, an astro cult who preserved the

1352
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:36.159
<v Speaker 3>ancient practices of Mesopotamians. They believe that all events in

1353
01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:40.319
<v Speaker 3>the terrestrial realm were produced by the configuration of the planets,

1354
01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:46.279
<v Speaker 3>and that each planet in celestial sphere was animated by souls. Basically,

1355
01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.720
<v Speaker 3>the power of the spirits could be harnessed to impact

1356
01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:55.439
<v Speaker 3>change in this world through ritual just basically what planetary

1357
01:29:55.560 --> 01:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>magical is to I mean elemental magic. You could start

1358
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:05.359
<v Speaker 3>pulling on the elementals of planets, you know, Ah, by

1359
01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:08.680
<v Speaker 3>the power of his own soul, like the celestial souls,

1360
01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:13.079
<v Speaker 3>he would transcend his humanity and command movement of the

1361
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:14.680
<v Speaker 3>heavenly spheres.

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01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is some of the stuff that's out

1364
01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:25.239
<v Speaker 3>of that book. You know. Again there's that symbol up

1365
01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:29.039
<v Speaker 3>in the corner that's on there. Yeah, and then you

1366
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:33.359
<v Speaker 3>know here's like, oh you know the symbol Yeah, and

1367
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:35.680
<v Speaker 3>I guess like you know these all the different again

1368
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.760
<v Speaker 3>you remember you're saying the alphabets all these people, you know,

1369
01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:42.640
<v Speaker 3>and then again like are those like these like secret

1370
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.079
<v Speaker 3>ciphers for these people? Of these codes for these people?

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01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Is like that alphabet Like were people using these things then?

1372
01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:52.640
<v Speaker 3>And like we just had no idea about it? Yeah,

1373
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Like were there groups of actual people who like use it.

1374
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:03.319
<v Speaker 1>I would say yes, I would say absolutely yes. And

1375
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>every time you went in to like whenever they did

1376
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:10.039
<v Speaker 1>these you know, magic spells or not magic squares, I'm sorry,

1377
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>magic squares, and they did all of this rituals, they

1378
01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:17.399
<v Speaker 1>gained more information on more sigils to use kind of

1379
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>like ohay, like they went in and they found another

1380
01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.119
<v Speaker 1>movement and then they could come back and put the

1381
01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>movements together. And so people were going in and out

1382
01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of these realms to get more and more sigils.

1383
01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:30.560
<v Speaker 3>No, and yeah, me and you weren't even talking about that.

1384
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:34.560
<v Speaker 3>And I've you know, I've even wondered with like dancing

1385
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:39.119
<v Speaker 3>and like you know, uh performances. You know, you could

1386
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:43.119
<v Speaker 3>be easily dancing in these shapes and spelling stuff out

1387
01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:47.199
<v Speaker 3>and nobody would have it. Faintest idea, No, I have

1388
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:50.000
<v Speaker 3>no idea. I mean, Michael Jackson could have been doing

1389
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:53.439
<v Speaker 3>that shit for a week now or give it me.

1390
01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, I mean these people could have been like

1391
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:59.800
<v Speaker 3>drawing out Hebrew letters, just keble letters in their own right.

1392
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:00.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, how would you.

1393
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:06.439
<v Speaker 1>Like, you're tapping into an actual vestige of the algorithm

1394
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and the matrix by constructing your body in a certain

1395
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>way and aligning the energy in a manipulative form. You

1396
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>never know.

1397
01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like if someone told me that at these

1398
01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:22.479
<v Speaker 3>did stuff like that during their rituals, that would not

1399
01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:25.399
<v Speaker 3>be surprised, you know what I'm saying, Like I could

1400
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:30.399
<v Speaker 3>see it making sense. So I just wonder, Yeah.

1401
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting. But and the amount of advancements that

1402
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:37.199
<v Speaker 1>were made in this small I mean, look at all

1403
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:40.159
<v Speaker 1>these books that came out of what is it, ninth

1404
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>century all the way to thirteenth century, and the advancements

1405
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.279
<v Speaker 1>that were made, and then now you have the Renaissance

1406
01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>in the fourteenth century that they're making all these technology.

1407
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Was it because of these people?

1408
01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:54.039
<v Speaker 3>If this feels like legit, if there's actually, like you know,

1409
01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.199
<v Speaker 3>true like science and knowledge behind this stuff, and you

1410
01:32:57.279 --> 01:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>know all that numerical values, shapes, geometry, cultures of magic

1411
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:04.880
<v Speaker 3>and all that stuff, I mean, I I don't understand, Like, well,

1412
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:08.199
<v Speaker 3>how has people gotten dumber? Myself included?

1413
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's on purpose. It has to.

1414
01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Be, like this shit is so old mm hm.

1415
01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:19.399
<v Speaker 1>And they knew so much. Not only were they, you know,

1416
01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>fluent in different languages, they knew about math, science, medicine, uh,

1417
01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>theology of any type. It It was expansive. Their knowledge

1418
01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>was expansive. And it wasn't just one person, it was

1419
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:36.239
<v Speaker 1>many people. And they made so many contribs. I mean

1420
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>even one book had so many contents in it. It

1421
01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just you know, how to on be keeping, It

1422
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>was like how to on all keeping? You know. So yeah,

1423
01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:55.159
<v Speaker 1>I think we've we've de evolved, not evolved, but devolved. Yeah,

1424
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>as people.

1425
01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:02.880
<v Speaker 3>Sure, something happened, definitely, you know that, like I have said,

1426
01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:05.399
<v Speaker 3>which I think is kind of why I thought this

1427
01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>was important to cover. You know, I'm just repeating myself again,

1428
01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:11.199
<v Speaker 3>but like again, I do question like do we or

1429
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:14.359
<v Speaker 3>even you know, even understanding or speaking our language correct,

1430
01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, or it was like is it understood differently

1431
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:18.359
<v Speaker 3>to other people?

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01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? You know.

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01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:24.319
<v Speaker 3>That is the end of this episode. That went great.

1434
01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:26.640
<v Speaker 3>Perfect timing too. I wanted to hopefully keep it around

1435
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:29.279
<v Speaker 3>in hour and a half and that's exactly what we did.

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01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:33.640
<v Speaker 3>That was smooth as hell. Thank you very much. Lisa

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<v Speaker 3>definitely gonna hang of this, you know, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>I have to thank her because prior to this, I

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01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:44.439
<v Speaker 3>was working with screenshots, you know, no pay It was

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01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:47.359
<v Speaker 3>a mess, and you know, thanks Lisa, I've actually got

1441
01:34:47.399 --> 01:34:50.520
<v Speaker 3>my shit together a little bit. I'm idolizing documents. I'm

1442
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:52.880
<v Speaker 3>actually like writing notes and scripts for myself, and the

1443
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.760
<v Speaker 3>throwing images up on slides, which I think look better

1444
01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:59.840
<v Speaker 3>than showing them on stream yard, which is exactly why

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01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.399
<v Speaker 3>it too. But there isn't as less of a image,

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01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.600
<v Speaker 3>I guess the kayh, you know, it just looks like

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01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 3>shit through streaming. But thank you very much. I thought

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01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:12.239
<v Speaker 3>that went smooth. And you know, like again, I guess

1449
01:35:12.279 --> 01:35:15.079
<v Speaker 3>the way that I'm doing it now also helps. So

1450
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I think you bringing some sort of formality to the

1451
01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:21.600
<v Speaker 3>ECLE rejects the way we do our research now because

1452
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:23.800
<v Speaker 3>it was surely a mess, Bryor, you know, but we

1453
01:35:23.880 --> 01:35:29.079
<v Speaker 3>still still made it happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The

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01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:32.439
<v Speaker 3>next episode it's gonna be the ciphers. You know, we're

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01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:36.199
<v Speaker 3>gonna go into some of these old ciphers. Yeah yeah,

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01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and that is even another thing. I didn't

1457
01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:41.439
<v Speaker 3>really go get into it really too much, I guess,

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01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:43.239
<v Speaker 3>because it really all depends on what you're into. But

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01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:46.239
<v Speaker 3>like you know, even with Jamachia, there certain sites you

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01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:48.800
<v Speaker 3>can go to. They have tons of different ciphers that

1461
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.159
<v Speaker 3>you can run it through. Yeah, you know, I mean

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01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:54.239
<v Speaker 3>I really only screw around with the really three major ones,

1463
01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:57.039
<v Speaker 3>but I know other sites that that do. And it's

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01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:58.960
<v Speaker 3>just you know all those ciphers, you know, is there

1465
01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:01.960
<v Speaker 3>so thing to it? Because it is interesting when sometimes

1466
01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:03.920
<v Speaker 3>you see people who are into this stuff and they'll

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01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:07.159
<v Speaker 3>like use all these different ciphers and it's like you'll

1468
01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:11.039
<v Speaker 3>get not so much matching, but you'll see interesting neither

1469
01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:16.399
<v Speaker 3>numbers or phrases that almost coincide anyway, right, you know.

1470
01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:20.960
<v Speaker 3>So but uh, yeah, the next episode Cipher's I'm looking

1471
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.640
<v Speaker 3>forward to that, you know, I do think that will

1472
01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:27.479
<v Speaker 3>give some credence to how like maybe we don't truly

1473
01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:29.560
<v Speaker 3>understand everything that we're looking at.

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01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Some of the stuff you found how some of the

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01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>writings was written in cipher's and no one even really

1476
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>talks about that it was written in a cipher and

1477
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>people are reading it in an English lit like, yeah,

1478
01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing.

1479
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:44.960
<v Speaker 3>About you could even twice the Book of the Lore

1480
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:47.800
<v Speaker 3>in that into that. I mean, it's telling you there's

1481
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:49.239
<v Speaker 3>a cipher, right, I mean.

1482
01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, if all these religious texts are kind of coded,

1483
01:36:54.279 --> 01:36:57.359
<v Speaker 1>obviously a cipher exists is it true of all religious

1484
01:36:57.359 --> 01:37:02.319
<v Speaker 1>texts across the planet, you know, obviously in Western civilization,

1485
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like they were all into it.

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01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:12.279
<v Speaker 3>I think so. I definitely think so. I think that's

1487
01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:15.479
<v Speaker 3>ways of them putting out stuff that that's part of

1488
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:19.199
<v Speaker 3>being in the club. Yeah, you know this, I think so.

1489
01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1490
01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:22.840
<v Speaker 3>All right, So yeah, that is the end of part two.

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01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much again, Lisa. Yeah, Cipher's in the

1492
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.000
<v Speaker 3>next one. Check out all the links in the bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep an eye out for this Spiritual Gangster's Clown World

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01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Weekly going live. I think every Tuesday around ten thirty.

1495
01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Keep an eye out for that. I don't know when

1496
01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:42.800
<v Speaker 3>this is coming out, so I'm probably wasting my time,

1497
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:46.039
<v Speaker 3>but I think around Halloween. If this hasn't come out yet,

1498
01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:49.600
<v Speaker 3>it might have came out. There might be some extra

1499
01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:52.079
<v Speaker 3>episodes out on the NY Patriots Show, so you know,

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01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:54.840
<v Speaker 3>keeping up with like the Halloween theme and stuff, weird stuff,

1501
01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:57.840
<v Speaker 3>parn't normal whatever, So keep an eye out for that.

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01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Be some extra episodes on that end. And that's about

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<v Speaker 3>it and the until the next one. Everybody be well.
