Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I am super, super
Speaker 1: excited to have tonight's guest Alan Pierce. He kind of
Speaker 1: fell into this whole situation. His book is called Coma
Speaker 1: and Near Death Experience, The beautiful, disturbing and dangerous world
Speaker 1: of the Unconsciousness. It's fascinating, absolutely fascinating how these people
Speaker 1: seem to go into an almost like an alternate life.
Speaker 1: A lot of these have to do with induced comas,
Speaker 1: things like that, and all had to do with I'm
Speaker 1: going to let him explain it because it's a great,
Speaker 1: great story how he got into this. No one else
Speaker 1: has done any of this research. And he is a
Speaker 1: former BBC correspondent. He's an author of several books and
Speaker 1: that link will be below in the show notes. And
Speaker 1: he's also a journalist.
Speaker 2: And it's one o'clock in the morning for you there. Welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing the show live.
Speaker 3: Martin, Thank you so much. Has to be live, has
Speaker 3: to be live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much better that way. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: So I got to ask you, first of all, what
Speaker 1: how did you figure out? How did this was happening?
Speaker 1: You know too enough to but it was through Is
Speaker 1: it through Facebook? Like support pages. Is that how it
Speaker 1: all started?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was down the line. I mean, the notion
Speaker 3: of this came during the early days of COVID when
Speaker 3: my wife and I was sitting at home with not
Speaker 3: a lot to do, and I'm watching far too much
Speaker 3: rolling news. But I'm wondering why so many people with
Speaker 3: COVID are being placed into COMA. It's like great thing,
Speaker 3: you know, how does it work? It's like a nice
Speaker 3: deep sleep, as they tell you it is, And I
Speaker 3: thought I'd look into it, and okay, it goes like this.
Speaker 3: They say that COMA is an essential tool in critical care.
Speaker 3: It has been for the past fifty years. It enables
Speaker 3: a deeper, more restorative form of sleep, giving nature and
Speaker 3: the meath. It's the best possible chance the event itself
Speaker 3: should be in a like a blank in the person's life.
Speaker 3: None of this is true, but that's what they tell you.
Speaker 3: I only started to find these things out when I
Speaker 3: thok I wanted to take it a little bit further.
Speaker 3: So I found some COMA survivors on the COMA Survivors
Speaker 3: Facebook group, and it starts told me things that I
Speaker 3: just didn't know what to make of them. Initially, within
Speaker 3: COMA and you can't dream, by the way, within a
Speaker 3: coma or have a nightmare because your brain is effectively offline.
Speaker 3: And yet it's just going to demonstrate that the brain
Speaker 3: and the mind are definitely not the same thing, because
Speaker 3: when the brain is switched off in a medically induced coma,
Speaker 3: in many instances, the mind appears to go off on
Speaker 3: journeys of its own, and this can include alternate lives
Speaker 3: spanning decades, with every single detail that you can imagine
Speaker 3: in holding down jobs, getting married, having kids, going on vacation,
Speaker 3: that sort of detail. Other people would list multiple deaths
Speaker 3: that they went through, one after another after another, almost
Speaker 3: all violent, sometimes with themes such as drowning. Other people
Speaker 3: would find themselves in extraordinarily strange realities which are more hellish,
Speaker 3: you might say. One person in the book told me
Speaker 3: she spent eighty years in a serial killer themed bar
Speaker 3: as a living mannequin, and they carried out murders and
Speaker 3: whatnot every night for eighty years, and she could most
Speaker 3: of the time. She gave birth three times through rape,
Speaker 3: and she had all sorts of details she could talk
Speaker 3: about that the events that people have within coma and
Speaker 3: never two are the same. Two are never the same.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're in the same ballpark, but they defy all imagination.
Speaker 3: They are so strange. I don't think any Hollywood scriptwriter
Speaker 3: could ever ever come up with this unless he or
Speaker 3: she had been in a coma.
Speaker 1: Right now, you don't think it has to do with
Speaker 1: the drugs.
Speaker 2: And so on? Did you explain how?
Speaker 3: Let me doesn't make that clear. There are no drugs
Speaker 3: or cocktail of drugs that will give you an alternate
Speaker 3: life spanning decades. Will just days or weeks pass in
Speaker 3: this world. If there were, we'd all know about it.
Speaker 3: It's like a plot from a Philip K. Dick short
Speaker 3: story that doesn't happen. When they give you the meds
Speaker 3: for a prolonged deep sedation i e. Coma more or
Speaker 3: less depending on availability, it's the same drugs they will
Speaker 3: give you on the operating table for two to four
Speaker 3: hours or what have you. In the case of coma
Speaker 3: people patients, it can be two to three weeks, months,
Speaker 3: even three months in some extreme cases that they're fed
Speaker 3: all these drugs. If you were to connect their brain
Speaker 3: to an EEG brain scan, you would find that it
Speaker 3: is flatlining, as one doctor described it to me, like
Speaker 3: a heart without a pulse. There is no way they
Speaker 3: can dream, They cannot go through their circadian rhythms, so
Speaker 3: they don't get rem sleep. None of that happens, and
Speaker 3: it's eventally the organs are not doing their twenty four
Speaker 3: hour cycle and inveribly switch off. So what is happening
Speaker 3: to people You cannot explain by the drugs. All the
Speaker 3: drugs do is switch off. Initially, a key part of
Speaker 3: the brain called the default mode network, certainly discovered about
Speaker 3: a dozen years ago, and it's like the capting of
Speaker 3: our ship. It processes of conscious reality. When you switch
Speaker 3: off the default mode network leads to an expansion of consciousness.
Speaker 3: They've looked at people in the deepest states of meditation.
Speaker 3: They find that the default mode that on switches off
Speaker 3: and that expands, That expands their consciousness. The same happens
Speaker 3: when you take certain psychedelics. Rather than the brain lighting
Speaker 3: up like a Christmas trees you might expect, it goes
Speaker 3: remarkably quiet. And this is the default mode network switching off.
Speaker 3: When that's switched off, your mind would appear free to roam.
Speaker 1: So when you're saying I always think of like when
Speaker 1: when you use the word flatlining, like it would be
Speaker 1: like if someone was basically brain dead, but it's a
Speaker 1: different it's a different thing.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I don't like to use the term brain
Speaker 3: dead because it implies other things, but all intents and purposes,
Speaker 3: they are. It's called a burst suppression on an EEG.
Speaker 3: It is a line going completely flat. There is nothing happening,
Speaker 3: There is nothing going on in there. The odd thing
Speaker 3: is that and Issu're in a coma because you've got
Speaker 3: some kind of brain injury. They do not generally monitor
Speaker 3: your brain, certainly not in the case of COVID, so
Speaker 3: they don't know how deep they are sending people. Different
Speaker 3: drugs have different effects on different people. Some people bubble
Speaker 3: just below the surface and they're aware of everything around them,
Speaker 3: people talking in the room, but they can't bleedink, or
Speaker 3: or move any of us sorts, or scream. Even others
Speaker 3: go so very deep that they are effectively dead. I
Speaker 3: spoke to people for the book who were in the
Speaker 3: book who had died, died in a clinical sense and
Speaker 3: had to be resusted and told me what they saw
Speaker 3: when they died. Once I said earlier that no two
Speaker 3: stories are the same. Oftentimes they're in a very very
Speaker 3: similar reality. We have to think called the near death
Speaker 3: experience the NDE. It can happen to people who are
Speaker 3: facing imminent death, and it can happen to people possibly
Speaker 3: as they are passing over. Why it's happening. What we
Speaker 3: can get into that people are experiencing that very very
Speaker 3: very much within within COMA. Oftentimes they're in a beautiful landscape,
Speaker 3: depending on where they come from. If one young lady
Speaker 3: helped us with the books from the Italian Alps, and
Speaker 3: she found herself in an alpine meadow, I imagine if I
Speaker 3: interviewed and the Inuit from the far North, he would
Speaker 3: live in some ice cab landscape that would be his
Speaker 3: idea of paradise. And oftentimes when they're there, they will
Speaker 3: meet dead relatives, commute, communicate with them telepathically invariably, and
Speaker 3: a whole range of other things may may not happen.
Speaker 3: But mostly these are really really beautiful experiences. These crop
Speaker 3: up a lot within COMA survivors. But there's a flip side,
Speaker 3: which is, if that's heaven, there's hell. And I talked
Speaker 3: to the example of the woman Deborah who was in
Speaker 3: this this sporting serial killer theme bar. Other people find
Speaker 3: themselves in organ harvesting facilities, and that they're brought to life, harvested, killed,
Speaker 3: brought back to life, grown new organs, harvested, and on
Speaker 3: and on and on and on. One guy who helped
Speaker 3: me with the book, James. His stories, his stories are
Speaker 3: astonishingly awful. He had to watch his wife dying in childbirth.
Speaker 3: He's not married in this world over and over again,
Speaker 3: like it was on a loop. And he's in the
Speaker 3: room with all the fear and the horror and the
Speaker 3: screaming over and over again. This is really common, you know,
Speaker 3: not that particular story, but events akin to that. Oftentimes,
Speaker 3: when they try to bring people out of a coma,
Speaker 3: they might come out biting and fighting and ripping the
Speaker 3: tubes out of them. I mentioned the Italian lady earlier.
Speaker 3: She told me that when she was coming out of
Speaker 3: her coma and reduce in the meds, she was desperate
Speaker 3: to hang on to anything of this world, and she
Speaker 3: ripped all the tubes out, blood going everywhere. The first
Speaker 3: thing that happens from the nurses perspective is, oh, dear,
Speaker 3: we have to turn the meds back up again. So
Speaker 3: you're oftentimes send them straight back into this appalling world.
Speaker 3: So James might be sent straight back to watch his
Speaker 3: wife dying in childbirth over and over again. But the
Speaker 3: hospital staff don't know these things because they never This
Speaker 3: is the where the hospital systems are. Intensive care rarely
Speaker 3: ever have any follow up of their patients by the
Speaker 3: time they leave, particularly if they've been on a ventilator.
Speaker 3: They can't speak for often weeks at a time because
Speaker 3: the damage to vocal courts, so they've got no one
Speaker 3: tells them what they've experienced. The doctors and nurses are
Speaker 3: doing everything they do for the goodness of their heart,
Speaker 3: through pure kindness, and yet they're doing the worst thing
Speaker 3: to the patient. They're putting them into a coma. And
Speaker 3: this isn't the other thing. It turns out that it's
Speaker 3: massively overused. It's only a handful of instances where you
Speaker 3: might employ it. And really, there's no medical textbook that
Speaker 3: advocates prolonged deep sedation beyond a few hours. And yet
Speaker 3: people have put in these situations for months at a time,
Speaker 3: and their brains are off and they go off to
Speaker 3: other existences in two weeks. One guy experienced forty years
Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties and seventies living in the American Midwest.
Speaker 3: He even got called up to fight and we'll turn
Speaker 3: its Southeast Asian War. He says it wasn't Vietnam, but
Speaker 3: it was like Vietnam. It rained the whole time. So
Speaker 3: he's on patrol or in trenches. And the thing he
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about most was how his fingers were
Speaker 3: always so wrinkly, and his toes and they never ever
Speaker 3: seemed to get better that level of detail. And two
Speaker 3: weeks has passed while he's in a coma, and he
Speaker 3: had all of this, and he had a partner that
Speaker 3: just had a baby girl when he was taking from
Speaker 3: that life and put back into this one. And when
Speaker 3: you wake up in this world, he had his fiance
Speaker 3: holding his hand saying, oh God, you're back, hooray, and
Speaker 3: he's thinking, who the heck are you? You know, I've
Speaker 3: just left my partner, my baby behind. I think you're
Speaker 3: in the wrong room. But he can't say it because
Speaker 3: it damages the vocal cause other people can come out
Speaker 3: of coma and not know what humans are.
Speaker 2: Not know what humans are?
Speaker 3: No, oh wow, No.
Speaker 1: Now let me just ask you this. With the work
Speaker 1: you're doing, have you spoken to any medical professionals about this?
Speaker 1: You know, because to me, it sounds like it's not
Speaker 1: a very good idea putting people in induced chemically induced commerce.
Speaker 3: No, we spoken to a vast number of medicals who've
Speaker 3: helped us with the book. For example, Dr Wezeley, Professor
Speaker 3: of Medicine at Vanderbilt arguably one of the finest medicals
Speaker 3: schools on the planet, are helped extensively with the book
Speaker 3: and wrote the forward. And we've had those other people
Speaker 3: helping us with the book. It goes like this, most
Speaker 3: doctors and nurses are practicing experience based medicine as opposed
Speaker 3: to evidence based medicine. They don't see a problem. Therefore
Speaker 3: they don't change what they're doing. As as just said,
Speaker 3: they don't actually get to follow their patients, so they
Speaker 3: don't see the problem. Because of the way life is,
Speaker 3: they don't all get to read the latest medical literature,
Speaker 3: which all decries prolonged deep sedation because it needs to terrible,
Speaker 3: terrible damage. Mentally, people can have tens of points wiped
Speaker 3: off their IQs. Physically, joints can calcify, nerves, can disconnect
Speaker 3: your muscles cease to function. You might look okay because
Speaker 3: you're pumped full of fluids. Oftentimes up to fifty pounds
Speaker 3: excess weight in fluid, so you can't see the muscle wasted.
Speaker 3: You stand up, there's nothing supporting you. You haven't got
Speaker 3: your die forragm muscles, so you need help breathing. For
Speaker 3: months afterwards, you can't swallow because you your muscles in
Speaker 3: your throat, you know, after fit and so on and
Speaker 3: so forth. All of this is known. This is called
Speaker 3: post intensive care sindrome. There are a number, but a
Speaker 3: minor number of doctors and nurses who are fully aware
Speaker 3: of this, who are desperately trying to tell their colleagues,
Speaker 3: you've got to stop what you're doing, read the latest meds.
Speaker 3: But they themselves are finding themselves getting into trouble with
Speaker 3: people trying to get their licenses taken away because they're
Speaker 3: not doing a coin thing and're looking the patient out.
Speaker 1: Wow, and why I just wanted to post this right here.
Speaker 1: We can just take a quick take a quick look
Speaker 1: at it. This person here said they had a stroke
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and my deceased father came to me
Speaker 1: that night and now asked me, if I wanted to
Speaker 1: see a goal, chose to stay.
Speaker 3: I would put that down on a near death experience
Speaker 3: many a time. A number of people in the book
Speaker 3: have told me that they got to Heaven's Gate or
Speaker 3: however you wish to describe it, and were given the option.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they were told out right, no, this is not
Speaker 3: your time, you have to go back. Others have given
Speaker 3: the option, Yeah, that's again, it's in the ballpark. These things,
Speaker 3: for sure are happening. You can't talk to a doctor.
Speaker 3: It's a bit like, you know, alien aductions. Who's really
Speaker 3: going to believe you? And you come out of something
Speaker 3: like this, you had like for twenty years living in America,
Speaker 3: Midwest or whatever, how did you explain that to anyone?
Speaker 3: People would tell you. Doctors will tell you that's a
Speaker 3: false memory, or you hallucinated. You can't hallucinate incident in
Speaker 3: a coma, because hallucinations in a conscious state invariably with
Speaker 3: the eyes opens. And it's not even a reasonable answer.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense to say these things. But doctors
Speaker 3: who cannot explain our current level of consciousness, I haven't
Speaker 3: got a chance to explain the levels of other levels
Speaker 3: of consciousness, such as those and psychedelics, such as those
Speaker 3: experienced by people in transcendental meditation, And they certainly can't
Speaker 3: explain what's happening to people in the depths of coma.
Speaker 3: Not a chance.
Speaker 1: So it's not even an you know, the word unconscious.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's unconscious?
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Because we've all agreed on a
Speaker 3: word consciousness to explain something we don't understand. So it's
Speaker 3: very hard to say, therefore, what is unconscious because I
Speaker 3: don't think no one. Everyone that I interviewed who've been
Speaker 3: in a coma in a clinical sense have been were
Speaker 3: unconscious within their coma. Many a time they say I
Speaker 3: woke up and found myself in this particular reality. So
Speaker 3: they're having all these different levels. They are in some
Speaker 3: cases just completely in the dark, just a brain or
Speaker 3: mind completely in the dark, floating around those sensations of anything,
Speaker 3: and this can go on for ages, like an eternity.
Speaker 3: Then they might wake up and find themselves in a
Speaker 3: particular reality. Whoa.
Speaker 2: You know, it's incredible.
Speaker 3: It's strange, isn't it. It's the strangest thing I've ever
Speaker 3: ever explored.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like the mind and consciousness are I
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It seems like there's the brain.
Speaker 3: Of the mind, the same thing the brain if it's
Speaker 3: switched off, and you can see it switched off by
Speaker 3: looking at it. And yet those people will come back
Speaker 3: and tell you an incredible detailed story that cannot be
Speaker 3: explained by false memory. But that's what they're told, and
Speaker 3: they all think they've gone mad because unlike the say,
Speaker 3: some people have had a near death experience, you can
Speaker 3: research it, find it online. Coma survivors generally keep all
Speaker 3: this to themselves because they're told, you've had a last memory.
Speaker 3: Therefore it was so intense, I had gone mad, and
Speaker 3: I will keep it to myself. Sure, many of the
Speaker 3: coma survivors helping us with the book, you know, it
Speaker 3: didn't come straight out and say, you know, tell us
Speaker 3: a coma story. It took in some cases months of
Speaker 3: just talking about you know, the world of coma and stuff.
Speaker 3: That people began to tell me their stories. And they
Speaker 3: were telling me things that they had not told their dearest,
Speaker 3: you know, the nearest and dearest they have been too
Speaker 3: embarrassed to do. So they're doing so in this instance
Speaker 3: because they want to show other coma survivors, yeah, didn't
Speaker 3: go mad. It happened to me just like this. And
Speaker 3: also doctors and nurses wake up, for Heaven's sake, because
Speaker 3: with the best wood in the world, you're putting people
Speaker 3: through the most unbelievable torment. And the mortality rates in
Speaker 3: coma incidentally are shockingly high, and that's all proven in
Speaker 3: the medical statistics. Shockingly high.
Speaker 1: Really, it has to be avoided, right, So when when
Speaker 1: people have these type of situations and they read your book,
Speaker 1: now here's your book. Here, they read your book, and
Speaker 1: I hear this happen all the time. When I talk
Speaker 1: to people like you that have written a book, it
Speaker 1: comes out. It kind of makes us splash, like I
Speaker 1: believe this is And all of a sudden you get
Speaker 1: contacted by all these people that's saying, hey, this happened
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: You know, is this happening to you?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Are you getting people ki it is?
Speaker 3: I mean not actually floodgates as such, but but we
Speaker 3: are getting people saying, you know, this happened to me.
Speaker 3: I did a few phone ins elsewhere and some people
Speaker 3: called in and seven people as a peel in that situation.
Speaker 3: So proportionally, because this is the other thing with COVID,
Speaker 3: because so many people globally were placed into medically induced comas,
Speaker 3: it was the thing to do once they got to
Speaker 3: a certain point of unwillness, boom shove them into a
Speaker 3: COMA sheer scale is now apparent of the damage amongst
Speaker 3: the survivors. Also, some of the survivors are vocal. You've
Speaker 3: got people like graphic artists or musicians or whatever who
Speaker 3: have tried to capture their coma experience and convey it
Speaker 3: in the form of art. So that's starting to happen.
Speaker 3: But otherwise, I mean, it's just no one's really aware
Speaker 3: of No one's aware of it. No one is aware
Speaker 3: of it. What we want to do next is try
Speaker 3: and get a TV series going, a six part kind
Speaker 3: of thing, and to have people come forward and tell
Speaker 3: their stories. And it's the hardest thing to tell a
Speaker 3: story because it's like, just tell me the story of
Speaker 3: your life. Say where do I start, where do I stop?
Speaker 3: What do I pay attention to? So they just rattle
Speaker 3: through things when they do start telling you, I did this,
Speaker 3: and I did that, and I was over there, Oh
Speaker 3: I had this other life when I was doing that,
Speaker 3: And it's just unbelievable what they were saying. And they
Speaker 3: think when they're telling me that they're the only people
Speaker 3: that's had this experience, and I'm telling them I spoke
Speaker 3: to somebody three days ago, you had a very similar
Speaker 3: experience to you. And they're going, what it's blowing their
Speaker 3: minds as much as it's blowing my minds. It's giving
Speaker 3: them a peace of mind and they did not go mad.
Speaker 3: But everyone who survives a coma, it's not the same person.
Speaker 3: Many a time people will say, I wish to God,
Speaker 3: I'd never come back. When they come the world that
Speaker 3: they were in seemed far more realistic than this world.
Speaker 3: And when they come back to this world, it's kind
Speaker 3: of glitchy, a bit like in the plot of Invasion
Speaker 3: of the Body snatches, where people are just not quite
Speaker 3: right and they can't decide, can't be certain whether this
Speaker 3: is now a coma and their life before was their
Speaker 3: life before the coma. They decide, some of them whether
Speaker 3: they've died and not come back. Other people are where
Speaker 3: they're in this life but don't want to go to
Speaker 3: sleep because they're going to go back to some other
Speaker 3: life again, in many cases the terrible lives, so they
Speaker 3: just won't sleep at night. There are any doze on
Speaker 3: the couch during the day when somebody's around, because it's
Speaker 3: the only time they feel safe. So people left horrified
Speaker 3: and shocked by these experiences, and no one, as they say,
Speaker 3: can explain it to them. No one.
Speaker 1: Wow, Now are there people that are mourning their life
Speaker 1: that they.
Speaker 2: Had in a coma?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a better life in a coma.
Speaker 3: Then they let's talk about mourning. Let's talk about mourning
Speaker 3: and life. NICKI, lovely young mum from Scotland, contracts pneumonia
Speaker 3: turns to sepsis real quick. The doctors say to her husband,
Speaker 3: she is unlikely to survive the night. Oh, and did
Speaker 3: you know your wife is pregnant? Said no, I have
Speaker 3: no idea. We didn't have any idea that she was pregnant.
Speaker 3: And they said, well, Lork, we're just going to have
Speaker 3: to terminate because of the risks involved. They put Nick
Speaker 3: into a coma. She wakes up, wakes up within her
Speaker 3: coma and finds herself in a railway carriage in India.
Speaker 3: It's a single compartment. Everything in that carriage is kitted
Speaker 3: out for the birth of a new born baby, burying
Speaker 3: her mind. She'd had no notion she's pregnant within her coma,
Speaker 3: and she she's the heat, the smell, she describes the room,
Speaker 3: absolute detail, the rocking of the train, everything, total detail.
Speaker 3: She's pregnant, she's in labor, she gives birth. She's holding
Speaker 3: her baby boy and she looks into his eyes. She's
Speaker 3: said his eyes were a blue I've never seen before.
Speaker 3: They just burned into your soul. Well, I'm going to
Speaker 3: fast forward a them. And Nicky comes out of her
Speaker 3: coma and she can't speak because of damage to vocal cords,
Speaker 3: and then she starts to slowly gain her faculties. She
Speaker 3: wants her baby, which incidentally was named Mason. She wants
Speaker 3: her baby. So she's sitting up in bed, rocking her
Speaker 3: arms in front of her husband, mimicking cradling a baby,
Speaker 3: and he's freaking out, knowing that she's had a termination
Speaker 3: and she shouldn't even know anything about it. Fast forward again,
Speaker 3: and then eventually she's out of the hospital. The doctors say,
Speaker 3: you will never be able to carry a child again,
Speaker 3: but she does. She gives birth in this world, This
Speaker 3: life in Scotland. The baby is born in a hospital.
Speaker 3: The midwife picks up the baby. What do you think.
Speaker 3: The first thing the midwife said was the Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I've never seen blue like that. Before they burned into
Speaker 3: your soul. Now explain that one now, NICKI, to all
Speaker 3: intents and purposes, and I believe it's as real as anything.
Speaker 3: NICKI lost a child, a child that she bore and
Speaker 3: cared for and all the rest of her. Now she
Speaker 3: goes to see various psychologists or whatever, and they say,
Speaker 3: you've Alapa's memory. It was a dream. Get over it.
Speaker 3: I lost a baby, well she has, she has, And
Speaker 3: when her baby was born with blue eyes. I spoke
Speaker 3: to somebody who's very into the spiritual world and she said, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously that's the soul, isn't it. The soul was, you know,
Speaker 3: stopped and being in that first child, Mason, and came
Speaker 3: up in the second child and made itself clear with
Speaker 3: the eyes like it was obvious to her, which is well,
Speaker 3: maybe it is obvious to some. So that's one example.
Speaker 3: And Niki to this day, to this day, grieves over
Speaker 3: a lost face. Other people one guy, one guy who
Speaker 3: wanted to share his stories of the book. Every time
Speaker 3: he tried to tell me, he would just break down
Speaker 3: in tears. He'd been married, he had three daughters, and
Speaker 3: he had a really nice life. I think it was
Speaker 3: an architect or an architect, and he just died within
Speaker 3: that life somehow and woke up in hospital, and like,
Speaker 3: he doesn't feel any affections for his wife he made well,
Speaker 3: I've done before, but in this life now he feels
Speaker 3: nothing that he doesn't know her. Wow, he feels she
Speaker 3: doesn't know him. And people are stuck like this and
Speaker 3: they are grieving. You know, a wife and three girls
Speaker 3: and you're not going to see them again, but you
Speaker 3: can't talk to anyone about it because they think you're nuts.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And so are there many cases where the people have like,
Speaker 1: I mean, can they picture what they look like?
Speaker 3: And okay, one guy said, twenty years under, I don't
Speaker 3: know what I look like. I never looked in a mirror.
Speaker 3: I never saw my reflection, which is like, wooh, spooky.
Speaker 3: Another guy told me that he was had multiple lives
Speaker 3: round about the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and he said
Speaker 3: he looked really good in a Georgian wig so he
Speaker 3: could see he could see himself. So I guess it's
Speaker 3: different for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, But I mean, do people remember their children
Speaker 1: and their wife and you know how they looked. Has
Speaker 1: anyone tried to recreate how they're spouse.
Speaker 3: Or something. No, I don't think people dare even go
Speaker 3: down that path, mostly because they think they're mad. Mostly
Speaker 3: they all think they're mad, and so only by talking
Speaker 3: to a group of them and telling them you're not alone,
Speaker 3: and hopefully people picking the book up or hearing the
Speaker 3: audio book and realizing no, you're not nuts. And they
Speaker 3: all use words like crazy, bonkers, mad, all of these
Speaker 3: things to describe what they've been through and the relief,
Speaker 3: the palpable relief. And you can tell them other people's
Speaker 3: stories and they go, well, whoa, yeah, that's a bit
Speaker 3: like mine. But blah blah blah happened. They are going
Speaker 3: to real places. I'm now convinced that, you know, there
Speaker 3: are multiple dimensions, and I think, you know, quantum science
Speaker 3: is demonstrating that we're close to proving such a thing.
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that people like Niki and James and
Speaker 3: whoever they have mentioned in the book, they've been to
Speaker 3: alternate realities which are possibly at other dimensions. Many times,
Speaker 3: some people have gone back back in time in their
Speaker 3: own lives, inside their bodies. And for example, there's a
Speaker 3: hospital chaplain in Birmingham, Alabama, BAMA called Corey Agricola and
Speaker 3: he went back in time and he's having dinner with
Speaker 3: with his parents, having fried chicken or something. You can
Speaker 3: taste it, you can smell. Everything's completely there, one hundred
Speaker 3: percent in the moment. And he had a sequence of
Speaker 3: events where he just went back in time and relived
Speaker 3: those moments. It may not be a coincidence. When people
Speaker 3: had close to death they say my life flashed before
Speaker 3: my eyes, because that was what was happening to Corey.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't flashing. He was there taking his time,
Speaker 3: having dinner, having dessert, maybe having coffee. You know that
Speaker 3: there was no flashing involved in any of this. He
Speaker 3: was there one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these cases are just so so fascinating. And would
Speaker 1: you say that disproportionately people in COVID induced you know,
Speaker 1: and the induced comas during COVID, would you say that
Speaker 1: there was disproportionate as far as the people coming back
Speaker 1: with are these.
Speaker 3: Stories Engauge, I think I've got a good mix of
Speaker 3: pre COVID and COVID people. According to various research that's
Speaker 3: been undertaken, people who were placed into medically induced comas
Speaker 3: with COVID were given more meds, are for longer than
Speaker 3: people were prior to COVID. COVID was a real scare.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what you people have all
Speaker 3: sorts of notions about COVID. Spoke to a lot of
Speaker 3: doctors and nurses. It scared the Jesus out of them.
Speaker 3: And then people would decondition and they would just go
Speaker 3: and they didn't know what to do with them. And
Speaker 3: it's a bit like, oh, we don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: Let's put them in the freezer and see what happens,
Speaker 3: and maybe they survived, maybe they won't survived. I mean
Speaker 3: that actually is not much of an exaggeration, because that's
Speaker 3: pretty much how it worked, and a lot of people died. Statistically,
Speaker 3: this is proven. A lot of people died in COVID
Speaker 3: inside the medical induce coma who might not have died
Speaker 3: if they'd been kept conscious and active, because half of
Speaker 3: the problem of being in a coma is that you
Speaker 3: are immobile. Now, it was thought for said thousands of
Speaker 3: years in fact, that bed rest is the best thing
Speaker 3: when you're not well. Everyone everyone's done it. Well. It
Speaker 3: turns out that just one week of solid bed rest,
Speaker 3: not getting up or anything, one week can result in
Speaker 3: the loss of forty four zero percent of lean muscle.
Speaker 3: That's this one week.
Speaker 2: Yeah really now.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, shocking. And when you're in a coma, you're
Speaker 3: not going through circadian rhythms. Your kidneys, for example, the
Speaker 3: kidneys for example, are not going through their twenty four
Speaker 3: hour cycle. They're pumping you full of meds and they're
Speaker 3: not being processed in the conventional manner. And many a time,
Speaker 3: the inside your body, that under that skin, in that
Speaker 3: fluid mix that is making you look all puffy. And
Speaker 3: oftentimes some people come out as earlier by and fighting others.
Speaker 3: They switched them off and they don't come out. They
Speaker 3: don't come out for a heck of a long time,
Speaker 3: and their family had just petrified. You know, he was
Speaker 3: switched off, you know, four weeks ago, and he's still
Speaker 3: not here. Occasionally he blinks or something and that's it.
Speaker 3: And then maybe they come out of her, or maybe
Speaker 3: they stay almost in a vegetative state. I'll give you
Speaker 3: an example of how the damage that this can cause.
Speaker 3: One doctor dodr Wezeli, one of his patients, was a
Speaker 3: mathematical whiz with the IQ stunning IQ of one hundred
Speaker 3: and forty prior to being placed in a coma in
Speaker 3: the hospital that he was working in. He got into
Speaker 3: his head that he should follow up all his patients.
Speaker 3: Was horrified when he met her. She couldn't add up
Speaker 3: her checking account. He had an IQ test taken on her.
Speaker 3: Her IQ had gone from one forty to one hundred.
Speaker 3: Such a drop and some with average intelligence would render
Speaker 3: than mentally subnormal. He looked at her brain on an
Speaker 3: f MRI scanner and saw that various parts of her
Speaker 3: brain had shriveled. She had she was I think thirty
Speaker 3: thirty eight, and yet she had the brain of a
Speaker 3: very old woman with dementia. And that was because of
Speaker 3: the inactivity of her brain that everything was just switched
Speaker 3: off and it was so pumped full of clouding meds
Speaker 3: that the brain just was not ever going to come back.
Speaker 3: And now she doesn't doesn't work with numbers anymore. She
Speaker 3: works with horses. One of his stories that there's so
Speaker 3: many of.
Speaker 1: Them there's no chance of regeneration of anything like that either.
Speaker 1: I would thinks it's like dementia.
Speaker 3: And it's another thing, you know, when people have got dementia,
Speaker 3: oftentimes it looks like they're having a conversation with somebody,
Speaker 3: maybe they are. Sometimes if you talk to people with
Speaker 3: Alzheimer's about their life, they will give you a completely
Speaker 3: wrong account of their life, like a completely different life,
Speaker 3: or maybe they're recounting another past life. You just don't know.
Speaker 3: We have no notion where people are going, where their
Speaker 3: minds are going when their brains have been switched off.
Speaker 3: You know. Sometimes it's kind of like you can see
Speaker 3: what's happening in that you have an outer body experience
Speaker 3: in the hospital and you're looking down on your body.
Speaker 3: You can feel that your mind has taken leave of
Speaker 3: your body. Other times you're just in another reality, or
Speaker 3: you wake up in another reality, or as it said before,
Speaker 3: you're just in the dark, just in the dark, just
Speaker 3: a mind in the dark, floating in some kind of
Speaker 3: black soup and nothing happening. The Italian girl that I
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, she had just had her fifteenth birthday when
Speaker 3: she was not a motor scooter and was eventually placed
Speaker 3: in a medically induced coma. She spent forever in the dark,
Speaker 3: and she kept calling out in her mind, Mummy, mummy,
Speaker 3: please come and wake me up. I've been sleeping too long.
Speaker 3: Will someone please come't and wake me up? I mean
Speaker 3: What a horrible thing, and she's only a child. What
Speaker 3: a horrible thing to do to anyone? What could happen?
Speaker 3: Just put aside from the fact that you shouldn't actually
Speaker 3: be placing people into medical need usd comas it anyway
Speaker 3: outside of a handful of instances, and only briefly. If
Speaker 3: you were to do that, you might say to them beforehand,
Speaker 3: and oftentimes they don't even say we're going to knock
Speaker 3: you unconscious now power What they could do is say,
Speaker 3: you may experience some very strange events within your coma,
Speaker 3: but don't worry about it. When you come out of that.
Speaker 3: We've got somebody who's been there too. You can discuss
Speaker 3: it all with you. That would be great. No one
Speaker 3: discusses any of it with anyone ever, ever, or if
Speaker 3: you find yourself in some see people will criticize that
Speaker 3: because there are post coma support group, but they sit
Speaker 3: around in chairs saying false memory, hallucination, I see you, delirium.
Speaker 3: They don't talk of alternate lives, past lives, other realities.
Speaker 3: They just don't, so they get no satisfaction and they're
Speaker 3: sitting in a room with people in chairs around them
Speaker 3: thinking I'm completely mad. I can't tell them that I
Speaker 3: was a fighter pilot in the First World War, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's like no one's going to take it seriously,
Speaker 3: so there's no help. There's absolutely no help for anyone,
Speaker 3: which is why the book and the audiobook I'm hoping
Speaker 3: will give people some satisfaction. Some whoa understanding you have
Speaker 3: a name for your pain, as it were, because they
Speaker 3: are not the same people, and they read it so
Speaker 3: much support, so much support, and it's not there. And
Speaker 3: the other thing is generally speaking, once you know, you
Speaker 3: get your weight back and so on, but you still
Speaker 3: can't walk or balance properly, but you look okay and
Speaker 3: you appear to be acting okay. Inside many a time
Speaker 3: people are just panicking because they're not sure they can
Speaker 3: make it up the stairs because of you know, balance issues.
Speaker 3: They're thinking, who is this person in the room? Oh
Speaker 3: keep asking that. I must have asked that hundred times
Speaker 3: today and so on, and they're just stuck in these worlds,
Speaker 3: absolutely stark, and people won't take it seriously. And the
Speaker 3: number of relationships and marriages that break down amongst COMA
Speaker 3: survivors because I get over it, like you had the
Speaker 3: best treatment possible, you know, the doctors were, nurses at
Speaker 3: the hospital were wonderful. You know, get over it, but
Speaker 3: you can't. You just can't get over it because no
Speaker 3: one's given you a satisfactory explanation.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, and you sort of
Speaker 1: just entered it right there. But basically, have people rejected
Speaker 1: the lives they've come back to, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: they have some of them have.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there's only a certain number of people
Speaker 3: I could actually find to talk to us mmmm round
Speaker 3: about one hundred and twenty plus in depth helping us
Speaker 3: with the book. Yeah, more than one has said I
Speaker 3: wish I had not come back. In one case, for
Speaker 3: somebody also called Debbie, she experienced something that was so
Speaker 3: fantastically beautiful. She found herself on a bed which somehow
Speaker 3: became a stage. She was levitating above it. Well, she
Speaker 3: was surrounded by entities holding hands. She said, they weren't human,
Speaker 3: they weren't alien, They were the embodiment of love, and
Speaker 3: they just pumped love into her and her healing and
Speaker 3: for healing, and she said, they healed all my life wounds.
Speaker 3: But she had to fight, and they were encouraging her
Speaker 3: to fight telepathically. She never felt so happy or at
Speaker 3: peace in all her life. She comes out of a ConA.
Speaker 3: She's got uncaring family, wants to talk about what she's
Speaker 3: been through. Everyone seems glitterly and weird, and she just
Speaker 3: wishes she could go back to that existence and she
Speaker 3: will pine that for the rest of her days. Others,
Speaker 3: you know, they see their dead relatives perhaps and maybe
Speaker 3: they're told to return home, and they just don't want to.
Speaker 3: They've never felt so wonderful. And this is like over
Speaker 3: and over again people telling me this, I never felt
Speaker 3: so at ease, so at peace, so one with the universe.
Speaker 3: I am the universe, I am God, I am everything.
Speaker 3: A couple of people said that in this many words
Speaker 3: to me. So when you come back to this world
Speaker 3: and it's not even as clear visually as the one
Speaker 3: you've just left, it just they just can't settle to it.
Speaker 3: And you know, in many cases people said, Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll take my time, but you know I'll go, but
Speaker 3: I'll be really glad to get out of this one
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: How when you've done all this research, talked to all
Speaker 1: these people, how has it changed you? What do you
Speaker 1: how do you feel about For instance, Jef.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big change. Okay, I'm a journalist. I used to
Speaker 3: do a lot of foreign affairs, which meant wars and disasters.
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of people die or gribal events,
Speaker 3: and I thought dead meant dead. And the research I
Speaker 3: was doing in this book enabled me to talk to people,
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, who died. Clin nickally died and
Speaker 3: came back and could told me stories. And when you
Speaker 3: realize it's like talking as a journalist that eyewitnesses to
Speaker 3: an event, eye witnesses who've not had chance to collaborate
Speaker 3: amongst themselves, and they're all talking of remarkably similar yet
Speaker 3: different things. I didn't realize it, but my outlook had
Speaker 3: changed half with you writing the book. My daughter Rebecca died.
Speaker 3: She was a police detective, completely out of the blue. Patently,
Speaker 3: it's upsetting, it's the worst thing cam to a prood
Speaker 3: and I had all of that. I had simontaneously, this
Speaker 3: odd solace which came from knowing that you don't die,
Speaker 3: because I realized at that point, like the penny dropped,
Speaker 3: that you can't die. The first law of thermodynamics has
Speaker 3: it that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. And my daughter,
Speaker 3: at Rebecca was a ball of energy. So where did
Speaker 3: that go? It had to go somewhere. So I'm convinced
Speaker 3: we all we never die, And I think when people
Speaker 3: have the near death experience, I think this is common
Speaker 3: probably to everyone who passes over and maybe to all mammals,
Speaker 3: that something wonderful happens at the point of perceived death,
Speaker 3: as in I'm falling off a cliff, I'm going to die,
Speaker 3: or they're coming at me with guns or whatever, or
Speaker 3: that you actually are physically going because you're having a
Speaker 3: heart attack or whatever. Nature, God call it what you will,
Speaker 3: has given us something truly remarkable that either eases the
Speaker 3: passing or opens a gateway to what lies beyond. Now,
Speaker 3: the research in this book led me to look for
Speaker 3: parallels and Okay, within the human body, we produce a
Speaker 3: psychedelic substance called NNDMT, and this is the active ingredient
Speaker 3: in ayahuascar. When people take ayahuascar, they go to other realities.
Speaker 3: And if two people who like partners, say take it together,
Speaker 3: they can both go to the same reality together. Now,
Speaker 3: the similarities between DMT in that situation ayahuascar, the similarities
Speaker 3: between DMT in scientific trials, and a great book to
Speaker 3: read is brick Strassman's DMT the spirit molecule. People go
Speaker 3: two distinct realities, many of which resemble Avian abductions. That's
Speaker 3: certainly well worth a read. And we know that the
Speaker 3: human body produces d MT. We speculate that it's the
Speaker 3: pioneal gland here in between the eyes going back at there,
Speaker 3: but it's unproven because you can't prod and proke ethically
Speaker 3: help the individual's pineal gland. So they can do it
Speaker 3: with rats, for example. So they induce a heart attack
Speaker 3: and a rat and they find a DMT in its
Speaker 3: system as spiked about six hundred percent if they check,
Speaker 3: which they don't very often. The urine of people suffering
Speaker 3: from schizophrenia, you will find the MT in their urine,
Speaker 3: which could account for some of the events that schizophrenics experience.
Speaker 3: Is within all of us. This and together with the
Speaker 3: other other chemicals. So if yet to pinpoint and analyze
Speaker 3: a name even and they must be producing a remarkable
Speaker 3: or amount of cocktails cocktail of drugs that will in
Speaker 3: this instance open you up to a different reality. And
Speaker 3: I think people in coma who are experiencing that, and
Speaker 3: for many they're going way beyond that because the meds,
Speaker 3: if you're in intensive care, you're close to death if
Speaker 3: they put you in a gun, but you're very close
Speaker 3: to death, and the meds puts you that much further,
Speaker 3: and they go beyond that. They'd go way beyond what
Speaker 3: people are experiencing with the Iowa SCAT and with DMT trials,
Speaker 3: and they are living minute by minute alternate life or
Speaker 3: going back in the past or trapped in health. So
Speaker 3: within that, there are mechanisms within the human body that
Speaker 3: maybe just allow us to see other realities as simple
Speaker 3: as that.
Speaker 1: Wow, very sorry about your daughter. I saw you you did, okay, it.
Speaker 3: Was like part of the story. It was like part
Speaker 3: of the story and incredible solace that the book has
Speaker 3: given me to make me think this way. I love
Speaker 3: to Tary and but I don't think she's dead dead. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll catch up sooner or later. It's like that.
Speaker 3: And the more I look into this world, the more
Speaker 3: likely that just seems to me. Mentioned that to me,
Speaker 3: like prior to doing this book, and I would have
Speaker 3: said I was nuts. I just said I was the
Speaker 3: crazy one. But now I just believe it Wholeheartedlyah. Of course,
Speaker 3: of course that's the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could you not look into this? What you
Speaker 1: looked into and not how you have to have an
Speaker 1: open mind to begin with.
Speaker 2: But all these.
Speaker 1: People can't be they can't be bssing. I mean, these
Speaker 1: things are real to them.
Speaker 3: But doctors will dismiss it because they don't understand it.
Speaker 3: And it took a journalist to me, my wife who
Speaker 3: co wrote the book with me, who's a private eye.
Speaker 3: It took a private eye and a journalist to investigate
Speaker 3: something because we were sitting on our hills with COVID
Speaker 3: that should have been investigated fifty years ago or any
Speaker 3: between now and then and hasn't been because no one's
Speaker 3: looked for a problem. And we just got alarm bells
Speaker 3: very early on that you know, this is all off
Speaker 3: pack this, this is too clear, unanswer and we need
Speaker 3: to talk to people who've been through the experience. And
Speaker 3: once we started talking to people who've been through the experience,
Speaker 3: unlike most intensive care doctors, like, we found out things
Speaker 3: which blew our minds, absolutely blew our minds. And you
Speaker 3: asked me if it changed my outlook. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to die, and it's quite likely that
Speaker 3: I've had multiple lives I don't record them currently, but
Speaker 3: people within coma, the consistency of them, and saying, oh,
Speaker 3: the lives, the lives, there were so many. They were
Speaker 3: just endless and just rattling them off. One woman's one
Speaker 3: South African medical to what's in intensive care. She she
Speaker 3: was in a coma, and she could just rattle off
Speaker 3: life after life after life and named the eras like
Speaker 3: this was the Victorian. Now the woman had a brooch,
Speaker 3: you know, a cameo brooch, and the color and so
Speaker 3: on and so forth. And in every instance she was
Speaker 3: murdered and raped everyone, and just on and on and
Speaker 3: on and on and on. In some cases she was
Speaker 3: in Arizona. Another time she's in South African Simon's town,
Speaker 3: gets caught up in apartheid, writes, gets murdered there, and
Speaker 3: so on and so forth, just all over the place,
Speaker 3: not confined to one location and not confined to any
Speaker 3: particular time span, just over and over. She also told
Speaker 3: me that she spent one hundred thousand years within her coma,
Speaker 3: living on the bottom level of existence and on the
Speaker 3: top level existence. On the bottom it was all like
Speaker 3: siltan slodge, and at the top it was Once in
Speaker 3: Zeros and she was flipped between the two and okay,
Speaker 3: so doctor, what tablets have you got for that? You know,
Speaker 3: I just think you are psychotic. Oh hey, dog, I
Speaker 3: spent one hundred thousand years. You know, it's no one
Speaker 3: can take it on board. But to her, that's certainly real.
Speaker 3: And why not? I mean, why not? You know, it's
Speaker 3: just like Carl Young, you know, and the collective unconscious
Speaker 3: that it contains the knowledge of all of our existence.
Speaker 3: So people believe started to say Carl Young, perhaps way
Speaker 3: back before that, maybe that's exactly what she was experiencing,
Speaker 3: and she was tapping into the collective unconscious, and she
Speaker 3: was experiencing life through the ages, and why not? Why not?
Speaker 3: It's perfelly okay to be now, you know, it.
Speaker 1: Would be really freaky if one of these people either
Speaker 1: drove past the location and went, oh, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's where I was in.
Speaker 3: My But we get this a lot in real life,
Speaker 3: don't we. We oftentimes hear these things. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: in the back of a truck in the army, say
Speaker 3: I heard this one, and we went past this point.
Speaker 3: I wanted to start desperately because I knew this village,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't because I came from Norfolk and that
Speaker 3: was the other side of the country, soul and all
Speaker 3: this happening a lot, so very likely there is this
Speaker 3: little glitches, little past lives popping into this life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: deja two, what the heck's happening? Yeah, false memory, hallucination, delirium.
Speaker 3: It's something that happens to us all. We don't necessarily
Speaker 3: understand it. Some people take it seriously, but most of
Speaker 3: us just dismiss it. Well, that was weird. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: like I was here before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually had an experience I've never talked about
Speaker 1: but you know, only to people close to me. But
Speaker 1: when I was I was in Georgia with my grandparents
Speaker 1: when I was a little, very little, I think, probably
Speaker 1: under ten, and we went to this Civil War battleground
Speaker 1: type place and there was a museum and I walked
Speaker 1: into that house and I knew like where the rooms
Speaker 1: were and everything, and I was freaking out as a kid,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I didn't even know what it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the term d as at the time.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, like.
Speaker 3: You are not alone, You are not alone in this.
Speaker 3: You are not you know. And I think periodically we
Speaker 3: all get to peer through some window, if only for
Speaker 3: a nanosecond, but it's there. And as I said earlier,
Speaker 3: people like with dementia, I think, I think we maybe
Speaker 3: looking to this next How do you? How can you?
Speaker 3: Because you don't get them back necessarily, They are going
Speaker 3: to similar places. I believe that people are going within
Speaker 3: their coma, as in their going back through past lives,
Speaker 3: past lives, or going back revisiting key elements in the
Speaker 3: alter detail of this life, in reliving their marriage, the
Speaker 3: birth of their first child, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I had a very close relative that was close to
Speaker 1: passing away, and they started talking about their life traveling
Speaker 1: around the country and all these people coming to see
Speaker 1: him sing. And he talked about going to this gas
Speaker 1: station where all these people came into the gas station
Speaker 1: in the base, you know, where they work on cars,
Speaker 1: and he was up on a platform and he was
Speaker 1: singing to them all.
Speaker 2: He never even sang you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll give another example of something akin to
Speaker 3: that Nick who's in the book in this life couldn't
Speaker 3: change a light bulb, couldn't change a light bulb in
Speaker 3: his alternate life. This is the guy that the Southeast
Speaker 3: Asian War. He was a brilliant handy man. His dad
Speaker 3: in that world was a big time motorcycle mechanic. Taught
Speaker 3: him everything about mechanics and just engineering and so forth,
Speaker 3: and he could just turn his hand to anything. When
Speaker 3: he comes out of his coma, his Beyonce is he's
Speaker 3: a ventilating system breaks down. He goes straight up to it,
Speaker 3: identifies the problem, fixes it like that. He's been fixing
Speaker 3: his car, He's fixed his neighbor's push law mower, he
Speaker 3: fixed the walk in fridge, freeze of the six foot
Speaker 3: square and so on. And he says, it's not as
Speaker 3: if on a newfound prodigy, and I know immediately how
Speaker 3: to do these things. I have to go there and
Speaker 3: figure it out. I like it, you know, it's still
Speaker 3: natural to me. So where'd that come from?
Speaker 2: How can you explain that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You can't say it's the meds, can you? We? You know,
Speaker 3: we gave you a load of pro performs and kettin
Speaker 3: in and now you're a great mechanic. It doesn't go
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Wow, and what is another? I'm just part way through
Speaker 1: your book, but you know, Nick, I think Nick't story
Speaker 1: really stood out to me is he the one that
Speaker 1: on the pizza parlor or something.
Speaker 3: In this world. Pizza parlor in this world and he
Speaker 3: was mad crazy and it's like wildcap life. In between
Speaker 3: being in the army and stuff. He just lived all
Speaker 3: over the country, had all sorts of di girlfriends. He
Speaker 3: ran some kind of frozen food business and he was
Speaker 3: settling it on cruise ships. And he spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time on cruise ships. And he said it was
Speaker 3: great on deck Margarita's and dakers. I had a great time.
Speaker 3: And this is real. Other people told me. One I
Speaker 3: told you, for example, in this life is really big
Speaker 3: in sailing. And in his coma life he was in
Speaker 3: someone like the West Indies and he was sailing, oh lot.
Speaker 3: He was there and really really just having a great
Speaker 3: life and talking to people and doing things. People are
Speaker 3: having real events, real events that we cannot always explain.
Speaker 3: Some things we can find parallels for as in you know,
Speaker 3: this is like a near death experience. This is like
Speaker 3: taking iowas skin in the Amazon. Alternate lives. You know,
Speaker 3: Buddhist will say that they can see their past lives,
Speaker 3: but I don't believe, you know, the one in deepest
Speaker 3: transcendental meditation, But I don't believe that they're actually living
Speaker 3: it minute by minute, as in or stubbing your toe.
Speaker 3: It hurts that kind of detail because that is the
Speaker 3: detail that people will report within their comas.
Speaker 1: Now, what about had anyone spoken a different language like
Speaker 1: in their in their coma?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. If you hums on the internet, you will
Speaker 3: find things like people say, oh, my class was in
Speaker 3: a coma and he woke up. No, he speaks French
Speaker 3: and doesn't understand English. Well, okay, married to private investigator,
Speaker 3: I'm an investigative journalist to track them down. No, they
Speaker 3: don't exist. We try everything to track them down. They
Speaker 3: don't exist. There are some odd spurious stories people going
Speaker 3: into the future, for example, but we couldn't find any ourselves,
Speaker 3: and we couldn't actually pin down anyone who said to
Speaker 3: have a new language. But the new skiller thing is
Speaker 3: pretty good. When they come back, they are in many
Speaker 3: senses the person they were before, but they feel that
Speaker 3: they're having to act the role because they don't quite
Speaker 3: remember their life before, and their life in coma sometimes
Speaker 3: was just that much more real, that much more real.
Speaker 3: But nick Nick had he said that, he said, sometimes
Speaker 3: I feel that I had far more there than I
Speaker 3: do here, certainly in terms of his love life and
Speaker 3: the funny had just like partying and just as wild animal.
Speaker 3: He had a great time and he very likely have
Speaker 3: a heart attack when he was like middle aged because
Speaker 3: of the lifestyle, crazy lifestyle he was living. And then
Speaker 3: work up in the hospital here and Okay, someone's asked him, question,
Speaker 3: what do you think it will take for the scientific
Speaker 3: community to study this seriously? Well, you know what I
Speaker 3: really like. I really like it when doctors experiment on themselves.
Speaker 3: You know, they ject themselves a little bit of collar
Speaker 3: to see seeing what happens and so on. I think
Speaker 3: some doctors should put their hands up and go deep
Speaker 3: into coma and come back and tell us what they experienced.
Speaker 3: I mentioned her name is jam in South Africa, works
Speaker 3: in intensive care. They placed it into induced coma. When
Speaker 3: she came out of the coma, she went back to
Speaker 3: see her colleagues, the anethetists and the ICU doctors to
Speaker 3: top them what she experienced and they were like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: really just like thinking she's completely bonkers and they will
Speaker 3: not take it seriously. By the way, is an I
Speaker 3: see you delirium? Oh you have that an hallucination. Oh
Speaker 3: that's just a false memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so I'm experiencing some Internet of shoes. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't see it on your end. I think
Speaker 1: it's on my end. I have no idea why everything
Speaker 1: here's a bell. But yeah, yeah, oh that's good. That's good.
Speaker 1: So do you think this is it? You say you're
Speaker 1: you may look into a darker series or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What we want to do we need to expand this.
Speaker 3: We need to reach as many I think possible. And
Speaker 3: I really, really really want to wake up the medical world.
Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, Ripleer's book, That's what I'm
Speaker 3: going to write about trains or something. No, it's not
Speaker 3: going to be like that. This will be the thing
Speaker 3: we concentrate on. We have to wake up the medical world,
Speaker 3: and we want coma survivors to understand they are not alone,
Speaker 3: and to understand in many ways that what they've experiencing
Speaker 3: post a coma is a consequence of the coma, not
Speaker 3: for the original reasons they were placed in the hospital.
Speaker 3: You're going with pneumonia, you don't necessarily lose your balance
Speaker 3: or tensive points of your IQ. It's the hospital treatment
Speaker 3: that's doing that, and it's known. It's just a fact.
Speaker 3: It's called post intensive care syndrome. It's known about. And
Speaker 3: yet you can ask a whole bunch of people that
Speaker 3: work in various intensive care units around the world about
Speaker 3: post intensive care syndrome and they go what they don't
Speaker 3: know about it. They don't know about it, or they
Speaker 3: change the subject and they just won't talk about it.
Speaker 3: I tried to interest medical journalists in this is a story,
Speaker 3: and they were like, the ones have bothered to reply, real,
Speaker 3: crazy power? Are you crazy power? Right? This has been
Speaker 3: the standard medical proceeds of the past fifty years. Get real,
Speaker 3: and I want to say things like, if you went
Speaker 3: back one hundred and seventy years, you wouldn't find a
Speaker 3: doctor who would wash his hands because they consider it
Speaker 3: insulting if you suggest that they did so. They used
Speaker 3: to bleed people at the point of death, right for
Speaker 3: two thousand plus years. Probably still do somewhere. Right. They've
Speaker 3: killed countless people that way, so you can't say, oh,
Speaker 3: we've been doing this in the past. Medical history is
Speaker 3: littered with examples of having got it wrong. One famous
Speaker 3: director of Harvard Medical School told his students once apparently
Speaker 3: half of what you learn today will be proven in
Speaker 3: ten years to be wrong. The trouble is your tutors
Speaker 3: don't know which half. So doctors nurses should really be
Speaker 3: alert to this, but they're not. They start practicing experience
Speaker 3: based medicine. The boss says, do it. Do it. My
Speaker 3: colleagues have always been doing it. Do it. Oh well,
Speaker 3: I heard this podcast says you really shouldn't do it,
Speaker 3: and they go break up. Are you crazy? These poor
Speaker 3: people you would like to be there on a fent,
Speaker 3: breathing and all the rest of it. The kindest thing
Speaker 3: is to knock them out. That's what they believe. That
Speaker 3: they're wrong, They're totally wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you I was on an event coming
Speaker 1: out of heart surgery and a later, and it was
Speaker 1: absolutely brutal. I was trying to reach to grab it
Speaker 1: out and they had my hands strapped down.
Speaker 3: They will strap people down because they will pour the
Speaker 3: tubes and I can understand what comfort. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 3: you can be conscious with the tube down your throat,
Speaker 3: no problem. If it's done correctly. You tell people up
Speaker 3: from what you're going to do, you get their approval
Speaker 3: to do it. When they come, you just knock them
Speaker 3: out for a few minutes, put the tube down as
Speaker 3: they come out. Yeah, really horrible, but you have a
Speaker 3: love one beside them, calming them down. And then the
Speaker 3: same way that you and I have not thought about
Speaker 3: breathing in the times been talking together, that patient will
Speaker 3: soon forget to think about his or her breathing and
Speaker 3: it will happen automatically. And modern ventilators allow the patient
Speaker 3: to initiate the breathing these microcessor controlled events, so it's
Speaker 3: actually quite possible. And then they're there and they can
Speaker 3: run a business on their laptop. They can you know,
Speaker 3: text their friends and family or their nurses on their phone.
Speaker 3: They can do all sorts. And the idea is to
Speaker 3: get them walking around so that the joints don't council ify,
Speaker 3: the nerves don't separate, all the all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: That way, people walk out of intensive care units as
Speaker 3: opposed to being wheeled down on a gurney and take
Speaker 3: into another care facility further down the line. And people
Speaker 3: will say, oh, but it's so expensive to keep them
Speaker 3: more conscious. You know, it's much easier to do than
Speaker 3: when they're like sacks of potatoes in a bed. But
Speaker 3: that's not true. It's just not true because so much
Speaker 3: more money it's expended within the hospital system on aftercare
Speaker 3: that if you've got them out of the intensive care
Speaker 3: unit right a lot earlier, they wouldn't have to be
Speaker 3: an aftercare. A vast number of people that have survived
Speaker 3: coma do not return to their normal occupation. If they do,
Speaker 3: they don't hold their job down because they don't have
Speaker 3: any confidence in their souls anymore. I mentioned that the
Speaker 3: woman with in a mathematical wisk. People are like that.
Speaker 3: The Deborauh who spent the time in the serial killer
Speaker 3: themed bar, she worked in account management. Afterwards, she was
Speaker 3: a complete mess. She didn't understand what she was doing.
Speaker 3: She'd be doing this job for six years prior to
Speaker 3: being in a coma. She gets back to office, he
Speaker 3: doesn't even know what draw things are in, so right
Speaker 3: there and they're losing their jobs and marriages break up.
Speaker 3: There's another financial penalty in that happening. So you can
Speaker 3: say the vast amount of money by actually keeping the
Speaker 3: patient's patient conscious. And it's not just me saying this
Speaker 3: or the up to date medical literature points to it.
Speaker 3: And if you don't believe me, at the back of
Speaker 3: the book. We point to all the medical lips that
Speaker 3: actually proofs everything that we're saying, and you won't find
Speaker 3: anywhere to make competition of this. You will not find
Speaker 3: a medical textbook advocating prolonged deep sedation. None. None. We've looked.
Speaker 1: Now, you said, inducing a colma, chemically inducing e comma
Speaker 1: through drugs or whatever is only in good and rare occasions.
Speaker 1: What type of an occasion would that be?
Speaker 3: Okay, Again, there's a brief period of time people are
Speaker 3: suffering a brain seizure because the belief being that we
Speaker 3: need to switch it off because before it causes damage
Speaker 3: to itself. But again, not not for a lengthy period,
Speaker 3: certainly not for months. People who've had certain complications following
Speaker 3: open heart surgery and the brain uses up a vast
Speaker 3: amount of oxygen and they want to divert that oxygen
Speaker 3: into the heart, but again maybe a length longer period,
Speaker 3: but not for months at a time. And people with
Speaker 3: certain injuries such as abdominalt where he really need to
Speaker 3: keep next exceptionally still, they would do that, but again
Speaker 3: not necessarily for months of the time. And if they do,
Speaker 3: they shouldn't have what's called sedation. Vacations where they keep
Speaker 3: bringing them around, trying to orientate them and then put
Speaker 3: them back into a comfort zone. But not into the
Speaker 3: depths of hell where you're watching your wife, I repeatedly
Speaker 3: in childbirth, not to those levels.
Speaker 1: There's a someone in their chat that's written quite a
Speaker 1: bit of their own experience here, and I just thought
Speaker 1: we just put it up there so you could look
Speaker 1: at it. He spent a lot of time as a
Speaker 1: teen and a young adult in a deep sleep due
Speaker 1: to a medical condition. I'm not sure from whatever.
Speaker 3: I can't answer that.
Speaker 1: You know, he says in this other he had another life.
Speaker 1: I guess here according to him that he had two
Speaker 1: hours as a job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's that's that's again in the ballpark. That
Speaker 3: is in ballpark, And maybe again that is more like
Speaker 3: a near death experience. Odd things happen to people in sleep.
Speaker 3: They can't explain sleep either, for that matter. So there
Speaker 3: are people that claim to go all manner of places.
Speaker 3: I go to the same place regularly.
Speaker 1: That that is just that is just as unbelievable as
Speaker 1: these other stories that they go back or you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't had a situation where I've
Speaker 1: gone back to a dream before I wake up and
Speaker 1: I go back to the same dream. But I mean
Speaker 1: when people are having this horrible nightmare and they wake
Speaker 1: up and they go back to it, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I just can't even oftentimes in loops or stuck in
Speaker 3: one reality, as I said, like eighty years in the
Speaker 3: serial killer themed bar and able to measure the trunk,
Speaker 3: you know, the passing of time by various events. And
Speaker 3: eventually the place wasn't financially viable and they had to
Speaker 3: close it. And what did they do with her? They
Speaker 3: put her in a wheelchair, took it to an organ
Speaker 3: harvesting facility where she was put in the tank and
Speaker 3: watch her and body dissolve around her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that's that is just just
Speaker 1: absolutely horrible. I mean, I wrote a couple of the
Speaker 1: nightmare ones. But it's also, like you said, if there's
Speaker 1: a heaven, there's a hell. These people are having either
Speaker 1: beautiful experiences or you know, or everyday experiences, or or
Speaker 1: just horrible experiences. And yeah, I wouldn't want to variety.
Speaker 1: Variety is I wouldn't want to roll the dice, and.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't I wouldn't let in the place me or
Speaker 3: any loved one in a coma. I'm kind of old now,
Speaker 3: so I won't bother. If I were younger, I would
Speaker 3: have no coma tattooed on my chest because I just
Speaker 3: wouldn't have that happen, and I would have it done
Speaker 3: to all my children, nookma on the chest. But if
Speaker 3: you went to a hospital and said, oh please, doctor,
Speaker 3: don't put my loved one into a coma because I
Speaker 3: believe it's dangerous, they will laugh at you and very
Speaker 3: likely get security. So you know, really going to get
Speaker 3: away with that, You're just not you find in a hospital
Speaker 3: where they're now looking at the modern medical literature.
Speaker 1: Now, are any We're just about at the end here
Speaker 1: about are any commas? Like, let's say it, I think
Speaker 1: you did mention where a girl was on a motorcycle
Speaker 1: or something and she got knocked knocked in the head basically,
Speaker 1: and I know something that happened to I'm actually going
Speaker 1: to ask them if they experienced anything.
Speaker 4: Always always do and sympathetically ask them. You know, it's like, hey,
Speaker 4: tell us about your weird Covien doing because people are
Speaker 4: not so reluctant to talk about it, but if approached correctly,
Speaker 4: people will tell you, it's a bit.
Speaker 3: Like near death experiences. There was pointed out to me
Speaker 3: that if you actually ask around you, you'll be surprised
Speaker 3: that friends and family have had near death experiences. Straight off,
Speaker 3: I asked two of my friends, admittedly both of whom
Speaker 3: were WAL correspondents, if they had near death experiences, and
Speaker 3: they both had one in combat and another thrillness. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: these things aren't happening. That are all happening to us,
Speaker 3: but we're not understanding them or taking them seriously. Now,
Speaker 3: just quickly, as we're moving into another age where artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence is the thing, other people are trying to explore
Speaker 3: the mind, particularly consciousness. Not doctors anymore, necessarily computer engineers
Speaker 3: and others. They'rein lies a possibility for understanding consciousness. And
Speaker 3: the first thing I would do if I was tasked
Speaker 3: with understanding consciousness, I would debrief COMA survivors and get
Speaker 3: them to tell me where they've been.
Speaker 2: Hmm, wow, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well, now, before you leave, when we first started talking
Speaker 1: before went live, I believe you said you had a
Speaker 1: UFO experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. Yeah, okay, and you.
Speaker 1: Can't think there may be a couple of parallels too
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I think everything is tied only in that week.
Speaker 3: There's so little that we do understand that I imagine everything
Speaker 3: else is all connected. One thing that people will tell
Speaker 3: you from within a coma, within psychedelics is that everything
Speaker 3: is connected. Everything that opposites, which you know, like the
Speaker 3: two poles of a magnet, are in fact together. Everything
Speaker 3: is combined and together. Now I've forgotten. Did you asked
Speaker 3: me a question? And I've gone up on a little rempant.
Speaker 3: What was the question?
Speaker 2: Your UFO experience?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, UFO. So I was on the Pakistan side
Speaker 3: of the Afghan border, a passenger in a car on
Speaker 3: a busy road, and I've got another journey sitting beside me,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking out the window and there's a hill
Speaker 3: and above the hill is what I think is an
Speaker 3: aircraft at an angle of taking off. And I'm looking
Speaker 3: at that, and I'm looking at that, and I'm looking
Speaker 3: at that and it's not moving. I'm trying to figure out,
Speaker 3: so if the car's moving, is there any way that
Speaker 3: you can and this would appear to be staying still.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking about this, and my partner just ludges
Speaker 3: me and says, are you looking at what I'm looking at,
Speaker 3: and really we're both looking at the same thing. It
Speaker 3: was like the fuselage of an aircraft, silverish, no tail,
Speaker 3: no wings, no markings, no cockpit glass anything, And it
Speaker 3: just stayed there and no joke, for around about ten minutes,
Speaker 3: we just looked at this thing. We couldn't have got
Speaker 3: the driver to stop because on a mad road, and
Speaker 3: you know it's called the road of death that we were,
Speaker 3: you just don't want to miss that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So we were just looking at this forever and it
Speaker 3: just stayed there, did not move, and it was about
Speaker 3: five hundred feet up something like that, but it's hard
Speaker 3: to say, given I don't know its size. The other
Speaker 3: thing is somebody pointed out to me that's later what
Speaker 3: relaying the story. It looked like an aircraft fuselage. But
Speaker 3: if you take a disk like a flying saucer and
Speaker 3: put it flat on towards you would look like a fuselage.
Speaker 3: And so that could have been what we were saying.
Speaker 3: But we saw something that you would not expect to see.
Speaker 3: There was no explanation. Oh it was a weather balloon,
Speaker 3: nothing like that. Also, there's holly any tech on the
Speaker 3: Afghan you know, Pakistan border stuff like that that get
Speaker 3: shot down within minutes. So what the heck was that
Speaker 3: I first saw that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, I had someone involved in
Speaker 1: like the antiques world that I'm in, and they told
Speaker 1: me that they are and they're not into UFOs or
Speaker 1: anything like that, just nothing like that. But they had
Speaker 1: like an experience with I think it was maybe mushrooms
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh, they were absolutely convinced that
Speaker 1: they met an alien, absolutely convinced.
Speaker 3: And yeah, entities, I mean mushrooms not so much, but
Speaker 3: maybe so depending on quantity. If you talk pot for
Speaker 3: sure you'll.
Speaker 2: Meett is DMT.
Speaker 3: You will certainly meet entities. There's supposed to be something
Speaker 3: like one hundred and forty four different types of entities
Speaker 3: that you might meet. But a bit like people's experiences
Speaker 3: if they're adducted, the word is ineffable. We just cannot
Speaker 3: we don't have the words to explain what we saw.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people say there was no visuals while I was there,
Speaker 3: completely there, experiencing everything around me, but no visuals. Other
Speaker 3: times they are seeing entities and things moving across their
Speaker 3: line of vision, or they look at a particular entity
Speaker 3: because it's extra weird. And then that entity will interact
Speaker 3: with them, but you can't describe the entity or draw
Speaker 3: it on a photo kit or something. And at the
Speaker 3: police station there's no way that you can come to
Speaker 3: you up how that appeared. It's like you just can't.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is self fascinating. Well, I really wish go
Speaker 2: into all of this. Yeah, right, I really wish you luck.
Speaker 1: And I actually know if a couple of filmmakers, I'm
Speaker 1: actually going to throw something.
Speaker 2: Out unless you have some pleasemary in mind, because I
Speaker 2: think we've got to.
Speaker 3: Get the work. Also, thank you so much. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm talking over is so rude of me. I'm just
Speaker 3: so excited. If you're listening and you know someone who's
Speaker 3: been in a coma, you know, gently ask them about it.
Speaker 3: And if you've been in a coma, you know the
Speaker 3: book and it's also an audiobook. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 3: Coma survivor is not really into reading when they came't
Speaker 3: because they don't seem to have the attention span, so
Speaker 3: we produce an audio book. I'm actually finding that more
Speaker 3: and more people today post to COVID are reading less.
Speaker 3: I'm actually struggling with reading now. But I'm okay with audiobooks,
Speaker 3: read books that you wouldn't credit. And I haven't been
Speaker 3: able to read once since I finished this. Other people
Speaker 3: experiencing this. So there's a great audiobook, stunning audiobook which
Speaker 3: really brings it.
Speaker 2: Now, do you narrate the book? Are you? Are you
Speaker 2: the one?
Speaker 3: No? No, we got a wonderful South African actress called
Speaker 3: Danny Painter. Now South African accent is not generally well
Speaker 3: well known. It is like sunshine. It's like liquid honey.
Speaker 3: This is exceptionally beautiful and an addiction is crystal clear.
Speaker 3: And when she takes you down to the depths of
Speaker 3: these stories or to the peaks of heaven to have
Speaker 3: her take you, it's fantastic. You're really there. So the
Speaker 3: audio book excellent.
Speaker 1: Well what someone I just want to thank someone here
Speaker 1: hold on, thank you so much, well very much. That's
Speaker 1: very nice you for that donation. And so I'm hoping
Speaker 1: people will buy your book. I am loving this book.
Speaker 1: I'm going to finish it cover to cover because it's
Speaker 1: just absolutely fascinating and I wish you all the luck.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you what I'm going to do after
Speaker 1: we get done tonight. I'm going to write my friend
Speaker 1: who was actually in a coomb hole and I'll let
Speaker 1: you know if they did. And it was actually another
Speaker 1: motorcyclic was on a scooter in the in the Bahamas
Speaker 1: and fell off the scooter without a helmet and it
Speaker 1: was you know, hit or miss for that he would
Speaker 1: even survive. And when he was three of eight, he
Speaker 1: was four years old, he went into a pool when
Speaker 1: no one knew he was outside, and the pool was
Speaker 1: covered and he was down in the pool for forty
Speaker 1: minutes and it was the pool under the water and
Speaker 1: it was really cold, cold water, and he was revived
Speaker 1: and he survived and he didn't have I mean, he
Speaker 1: was so lucky that ice had just thought off the
Speaker 1: top of it and it was that cold.
Speaker 3: Wow. So that's that's the sort of situation that people
Speaker 3: many a time were bought a very clear near death experience,
Speaker 3: as in like crossing over, getting to the pearly gates
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who he might be my next guest.
Speaker 3: Something interesting. Explore this world. We should go explore this world.
Speaker 3: It's beyond fascinating. That's right, it's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: And we know so lot.
Speaker 3: As I say, remarkably, little Martin, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: For helping bring understanding to something that's not understood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Well, thank you so much. It's been
Speaker 1: a real pleasure. Take care, good night, and I know
Speaker 1: it's real late for you, so thank you. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll be back next time.
Speaker 2: Thank you all