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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I am super, super

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Speaker 1: excited to have tonight's guest Alan Pierce. He kind of

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Speaker 1: fell into this whole situation. His book is called Coma

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Speaker 1: and Near Death Experience, The beautiful, disturbing and dangerous world

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Speaker 1: of the Unconsciousness. It's fascinating, absolutely fascinating how these people

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Speaker 1: seem to go into an almost like an alternate life.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these have to do with induced comas,

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Speaker 1: things like that, and all had to do with I'm

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Speaker 1: going to let him explain it because it's a great,

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Speaker 1: great story how he got into this. No one else

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Speaker 1: has done any of this research. And he is a

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Speaker 1: former BBC correspondent. He's an author of several books and

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Speaker 1: that link will be below in the show notes. And

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Speaker 1: he's also a journalist.

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Speaker 2: And it's one o'clock in the morning for you there. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing the show live.

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Speaker 3: Martin, Thank you so much. Has to be live, has

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Speaker 3: to be live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much better that way. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So I got to ask you, first of all, what

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Speaker 1: how did you figure out? How did this was happening?

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Speaker 1: You know too enough to but it was through Is

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Speaker 1: it through Facebook? Like support pages. Is that how it

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Speaker 1: all started?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was down the line. I mean, the notion

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Speaker 3: of this came during the early days of COVID when

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Speaker 3: my wife and I was sitting at home with not

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Speaker 3: a lot to do, and I'm watching far too much

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Speaker 3: rolling news. But I'm wondering why so many people with

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Speaker 3: COVID are being placed into COMA. It's like great thing,

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Speaker 3: you know, how does it work? It's like a nice

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Speaker 3: deep sleep, as they tell you it is, And I

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Speaker 3: thought I'd look into it, and okay, it goes like this.

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Speaker 3: They say that COMA is an essential tool in critical care.

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Speaker 3: It has been for the past fifty years. It enables

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Speaker 3: a deeper, more restorative form of sleep, giving nature and

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Speaker 3: the meath. It's the best possible chance the event itself

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Speaker 3: should be in a like a blank in the person's life.

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Speaker 3: None of this is true, but that's what they tell you.

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Speaker 3: I only started to find these things out when I

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Speaker 3: thok I wanted to take it a little bit further.

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Speaker 3: So I found some COMA survivors on the COMA Survivors

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Speaker 3: Facebook group, and it starts told me things that I

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Speaker 3: just didn't know what to make of them. Initially, within

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Speaker 3: COMA and you can't dream, by the way, within a

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Speaker 3: coma or have a nightmare because your brain is effectively offline.

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Speaker 3: And yet it's just going to demonstrate that the brain

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Speaker 3: and the mind are definitely not the same thing, because

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Speaker 3: when the brain is switched off in a medically induced coma,

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Speaker 3: in many instances, the mind appears to go off on

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Speaker 3: journeys of its own, and this can include alternate lives

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Speaker 3: spanning decades, with every single detail that you can imagine

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Speaker 3: in holding down jobs, getting married, having kids, going on vacation,

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Speaker 3: that sort of detail. Other people would list multiple deaths

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Speaker 3: that they went through, one after another after another, almost

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Speaker 3: all violent, sometimes with themes such as drowning. Other people

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Speaker 3: would find themselves in extraordinarily strange realities which are more hellish,

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Speaker 3: you might say. One person in the book told me

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Speaker 3: as a living mannequin, and they carried out murders and

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Speaker 3: whatnot every night for eighty years, and she could most

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Speaker 3: of the time. She gave birth three times through rape,

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Speaker 3: and she had all sorts of details she could talk

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Speaker 3: about that the events that people have within coma and

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Speaker 3: never two are the same. Two are never the same.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they're in the same ballpark, but they defy all imagination.

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Speaker 3: They are so strange. I don't think any Hollywood scriptwriter

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Speaker 1: Right now, you don't think it has to do with

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Speaker 1: the drugs.

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Speaker 2: And so on? Did you explain how?

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Speaker 3: Let me doesn't make that clear. There are no drugs

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Speaker 3: or cocktail of drugs that will give you an alternate

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Speaker 3: this world. If there were, we'd all know about it.

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Speaker 3: It's like a plot from a Philip K. Dick short

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Speaker 3: story that doesn't happen. When they give you the meds

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Speaker 3: for a prolonged deep sedation i e. Coma more or

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Speaker 3: all these drugs. If you were to connect their brain

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Speaker 3: hour cycle and inveribly switch off. So what is happening

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Speaker 3: to people You cannot explain by the drugs. All the

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Speaker 3: drugs do is switch off. Initially, a key part of

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Speaker 3: They've looked at people in the deepest states of meditation.

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Speaker 3: They find that the default mode that on switches off

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Speaker 3: when you take certain psychedelics. Rather than the brain lighting

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Speaker 3: remarkably quiet. And this is the default mode network switching off.

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Speaker 3: When that's switched off, your mind would appear free to roam.

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Speaker 1: So when you're saying I always think of like when

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Speaker 1: when you use the word flatlining, like it would be

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Speaker 1: like if someone was basically brain dead, but it's a

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I don't like to use the term brain

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Speaker 3: dead because it implies other things, but all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 3: they are. It's called a burst suppression on an EEG.

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Speaker 3: It is a line going completely flat. There is nothing happening,

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Speaker 3: some kind of brain injury. They do not generally monitor

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Speaker 3: they don't know how deep they are sending people. Different

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Speaker 3: similar reality. We have to think called the near death

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Speaker 3: as they are passing over. Why it's happening. What we

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Speaker 3: can get into that people are experiencing that very very

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Speaker 3: very much within within COMA. Oftentimes they're in a beautiful landscape,

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Speaker 3: idea of paradise. And oftentimes when they're there, they will

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Speaker 3: meet dead relatives, commute, communicate with them telepathically invariably, and

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Speaker 3: But mostly these are really really beautiful experiences. These crop

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Speaker 3: which is, if that's heaven, there's hell. And I talked

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Speaker 3: themselves in organ harvesting facilities, and that they're brought to life, harvested, killed,

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Speaker 3: you're oftentimes send them straight back into this appalling world.

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Speaker 3: So James might be sent straight back to watch his

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Speaker 3: is the where the hospital systems are. Intensive care rarely

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Speaker 3: weeks has passed while he's in a coma, and he

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Speaker 3: it damages the vocal cause other people can come out

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Speaker 3: of coma and not know what humans are.

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Speaker 2: Not know what humans are?

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Speaker 3: No, oh wow, No.

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Speaker 1: Now let me just ask you this. With the work

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Speaker 1: you're doing, have you spoken to any medical professionals about this?

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Speaker 1: You know, because to me, it sounds like it's not

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Speaker 1: a very good idea putting people in induced chemically induced commerce.

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Speaker 3: No, we spoken to a vast number of medicals who've

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Speaker 3: helped us with the book. For example, Dr Wezeley, Professor

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Speaker 3: obviously that's the soul, isn't it. The soul was, you know,

430
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: stopped and being in that first child, Mason, and came

431
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,839
Speaker 3: up in the second child and made itself clear with

432
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,799
Speaker 3: the eyes like it was obvious to her, which is well,

433
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: maybe it is obvious to some. So that's one example.

434
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: And Niki to this day, to this day, grieves over

435
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,319
Speaker 3: a lost face. Other people one guy, one guy who

436
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: wanted to share his stories of the book. Every time

437
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: he tried to tell me, he would just break down

438
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: in tears. He'd been married, he had three daughters, and

439
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: he had a really nice life. I think it was

440
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: an architect or an architect, and he just died within

441
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: that life somehow and woke up in hospital, and like,

442
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,799
Speaker 3: he doesn't feel any affections for his wife he made well,

443
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,559
Speaker 3: I've done before, but in this life now he feels

444
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,279
Speaker 3: nothing that he doesn't know her. Wow, he feels she

445
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,839
Speaker 3: doesn't know him. And people are stuck like this and

446
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: they are grieving. You know, a wife and three girls

447
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: and you're not going to see them again, but you

448
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: can't talk to anyone about it because they think you're nuts.

449
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:47,599
Speaker 2: Wow.

450
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,839
Speaker 1: And so are there many cases where the people have like,

451
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 1: I mean, can they picture what they look like?

452
00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: And okay, one guy said, twenty years under, I don't

453
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: know what I look like. I never looked in a mirror.

454
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: I never saw my reflection, which is like, wooh, spooky.

455
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:12,279
Speaker 3: Another guy told me that he was had multiple lives

456
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: round about the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and he said

457
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: he looked really good in a Georgian wig so he

458
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,039
Speaker 3: could see he could see himself. So I guess it's

459
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: different for everyone.

460
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, But I mean, do people remember their children

461
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: and their wife and you know how they looked. Has

462
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:36,079
Speaker 1: anyone tried to recreate how they're spouse.

463
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,599
Speaker 3: Or something. No, I don't think people dare even go

464
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: down that path, mostly because they think they're mad. Mostly

465
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: they all think they're mad, and so only by talking

466
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,519
Speaker 3: to a group of them and telling them you're not alone,

467
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: and hopefully people picking the book up or hearing the

468
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: audio book and realizing no, you're not nuts. And they

469
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: all use words like crazy, bonkers, mad, all of these

470
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,839
Speaker 3: things to describe what they've been through and the relief,

471
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: the palpable relief. And you can tell them other people's

472
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: stories and they go, well, whoa, yeah, that's a bit

473
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: like mine. But blah blah blah happened. They are going

474
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,279
Speaker 3: to real places. I'm now convinced that, you know, there

475
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,319
Speaker 3: are multiple dimensions, and I think, you know, quantum science

476
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,839
Speaker 3: is demonstrating that we're close to proving such a thing.

477
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that people like Niki and James and

478
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: whoever they have mentioned in the book, they've been to

479
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,839
Speaker 3: alternate realities which are possibly at other dimensions. Many times,

480
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: some people have gone back back in time in their

481
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: own lives, inside their bodies. And for example, there's a

482
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: hospital chaplain in Birmingham, Alabama, BAMA called Corey Agricola and

483
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: he went back in time and he's having dinner with

484
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,519
Speaker 3: with his parents, having fried chicken or something. You can

485
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 3: taste it, you can smell. Everything's completely there, one hundred

486
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,319
Speaker 3: percent in the moment. And he had a sequence of

487
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:13,359
Speaker 3: events where he just went back in time and relived

488
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: those moments. It may not be a coincidence. When people

489
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: had close to death they say my life flashed before

490
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,519
Speaker 3: my eyes, because that was what was happening to Corey.

491
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: But it wasn't flashing. He was there taking his time,

492
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: having dinner, having dessert, maybe having coffee. You know that

493
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,359
Speaker 3: there was no flashing involved in any of this. He

494
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,799
Speaker 3: was there one hundred percent.

495
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,519
Speaker 2: Wow.

496
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, these cases are just so so fascinating. And would

497
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:51,759
Speaker 1: you say that disproportionately people in COVID induced you know,

498
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: and the induced comas during COVID, would you say that

499
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,279
Speaker 1: there was disproportionate as far as the people coming back

500
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,039
Speaker 1: with are these.

501
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: Stories Engauge, I think I've got a good mix of

502
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,279
Speaker 3: pre COVID and COVID people. According to various research that's

503
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: been undertaken, people who were placed into medically induced comas

504
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: with COVID were given more meds, are for longer than

505
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: people were prior to COVID. COVID was a real scare.

506
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what you people have all

507
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,599
Speaker 3: sorts of notions about COVID. Spoke to a lot of

508
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: doctors and nurses. It scared the Jesus out of them.

509
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,319
Speaker 3: And then people would decondition and they would just go

510
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: and they didn't know what to do with them. And

511
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,319
Speaker 3: it's a bit like, oh, we don't know what to do.

512
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: Let's put them in the freezer and see what happens,

513
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,039
Speaker 3: and maybe they survived, maybe they won't survived. I mean

514
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,079
Speaker 3: that actually is not much of an exaggeration, because that's

515
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:52,119
Speaker 3: pretty much how it worked, and a lot of people died. Statistically,

516
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: this is proven. A lot of people died in COVID

517
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: inside the medical induce coma who might not have died

518
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: if they'd been kept conscious and active, because half of

519
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,359
Speaker 3: the problem of being in a coma is that you

520
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,319
Speaker 3: are immobile. Now, it was thought for said thousands of

521
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,359
Speaker 3: years in fact, that bed rest is the best thing

522
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: when you're not well. Everyone everyone's done it. Well. It

523
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,119
Speaker 3: turns out that just one week of solid bed rest,

524
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: not getting up or anything, one week can result in

525
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: the loss of forty four zero percent of lean muscle.

526
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: That's this one week.

527
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah really now.

528
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, shocking. And when you're in a coma, you're

529
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: not going through circadian rhythms. Your kidneys, for example, the

530
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: kidneys for example, are not going through their twenty four

531
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,079
Speaker 3: hour cycle. They're pumping you full of meds and they're

532
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: not being processed in the conventional manner. And many a time,

533
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: the inside your body, that under that skin, in that

534
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,559
Speaker 3: fluid mix that is making you look all puffy. And

535
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: oftentimes some people come out as earlier by and fighting others.

536
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: They switched them off and they don't come out. They

537
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: don't come out for a heck of a long time,

538
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: and their family had just petrified. You know, he was

539
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: switched off, you know, four weeks ago, and he's still

540
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: not here. Occasionally he blinks or something and that's it.

541
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: And then maybe they come out of her, or maybe

542
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,519
Speaker 3: they stay almost in a vegetative state. I'll give you

543
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: an example of how the damage that this can cause.

544
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: One doctor dodr Wezeli, one of his patients, was a

545
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:34,759
Speaker 3: mathematical whiz with the IQ stunning IQ of one hundred

546
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: and forty prior to being placed in a coma in

547
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,079
Speaker 3: the hospital that he was working in. He got into

548
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,359
Speaker 3: his head that he should follow up all his patients.

549
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: Was horrified when he met her. She couldn't add up

550
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,839
Speaker 3: her checking account. He had an IQ test taken on her.

551
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: Her IQ had gone from one forty to one hundred.

552
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,039
Speaker 3: Such a drop and some with average intelligence would render

553
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: than mentally subnormal. He looked at her brain on an

554
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,559
Speaker 3: f MRI scanner and saw that various parts of her

555
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: brain had shriveled. She had she was I think thirty

556
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,599
Speaker 3: thirty eight, and yet she had the brain of a

557
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: very old woman with dementia. And that was because of

558
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: the inactivity of her brain that everything was just switched

559
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: off and it was so pumped full of clouding meds

560
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: that the brain just was not ever going to come back.

561
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,119
Speaker 3: And now she doesn't doesn't work with numbers anymore. She

562
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: works with horses. One of his stories that there's so

563
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: many of.

564
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: Them there's no chance of regeneration of anything like that either.

565
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I would thinks it's like dementia.

566
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,319
Speaker 3: And it's another thing, you know, when people have got dementia,

567
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,079
Speaker 3: oftentimes it looks like they're having a conversation with somebody,

568
00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:00,279
Speaker 3: maybe they are. Sometimes if you talk to people with

569
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,839
Speaker 3: Alzheimer's about their life, they will give you a completely

570
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: wrong account of their life, like a completely different life,

571
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,119
Speaker 3: or maybe they're recounting another past life. You just don't know.

572
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: We have no notion where people are going, where their

573
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: minds are going when their brains have been switched off.

574
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: You know. Sometimes it's kind of like you can see

575
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: what's happening in that you have an outer body experience

576
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: in the hospital and you're looking down on your body.

577
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: You can feel that your mind has taken leave of

578
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,679
Speaker 3: your body. Other times you're just in another reality, or

579
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: you wake up in another reality, or as it said before,

580
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,039
Speaker 3: you're just in the dark, just in the dark, just

581
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: a mind in the dark, floating in some kind of

582
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: black soup and nothing happening. The Italian girl that I

583
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,679
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, she had just had her fifteenth birthday when

584
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: she was not a motor scooter and was eventually placed

585
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 3: in a medically induced coma. She spent forever in the dark,

586
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: and she kept calling out in her mind, Mummy, mummy,

587
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,199
Speaker 3: please come and wake me up. I've been sleeping too long.

588
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,559
Speaker 3: Will someone please come't and wake me up? I mean

589
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 3: What a horrible thing, and she's only a child. What

590
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: a horrible thing to do to anyone? What could happen?

591
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: Just put aside from the fact that you shouldn't actually

592
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: be placing people into medical need usd comas it anyway

593
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: outside of a handful of instances, and only briefly. If

594
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,519
Speaker 3: you were to do that, you might say to them beforehand,

595
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: and oftentimes they don't even say we're going to knock

596
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,159
Speaker 3: you unconscious now power What they could do is say,

597
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,159
Speaker 3: you may experience some very strange events within your coma,

598
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:42,559
Speaker 3: but don't worry about it. When you come out of that.

599
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,599
Speaker 3: We've got somebody who's been there too. You can discuss

600
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: it all with you. That would be great. No one

601
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,079
Speaker 3: discusses any of it with anyone ever, ever, or if

602
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: you find yourself in some see people will criticize that

603
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,119
Speaker 3: because there are post coma support group, but they sit

604
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: around in chairs saying false memory, hallucination, I see you, delirium.

605
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: They don't talk of alternate lives, past lives, other realities.

606
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,679
Speaker 3: They just don't, so they get no satisfaction and they're

607
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: sitting in a room with people in chairs around them

608
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: thinking I'm completely mad. I can't tell them that I

609
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 3: was a fighter pilot in the First World War, you know,

610
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: because it's like no one's going to take it seriously,

611
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: so there's no help. There's absolutely no help for anyone,

612
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,039
Speaker 3: which is why the book and the audiobook I'm hoping

613
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,159
Speaker 3: will give people some satisfaction. Some whoa understanding you have

614
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,679
Speaker 3: a name for your pain, as it were, because they

615
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,559
Speaker 3: are not the same people, and they read it so

616
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: much support, so much support, and it's not there. And

617
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,159
Speaker 3: the other thing is generally speaking, once you know, you

618
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: get your weight back and so on, but you still

619
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: can't walk or balance properly, but you look okay and

620
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: you appear to be acting okay. Inside many a time

621
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 3: people are just panicking because they're not sure they can

622
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: make it up the stairs because of you know, balance issues.

623
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: They're thinking, who is this person in the room? Oh

624
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,079
Speaker 3: keep asking that. I must have asked that hundred times

625
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,159
Speaker 3: today and so on, and they're just stuck in these worlds,

626
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 3: absolutely stark, and people won't take it seriously. And the

627
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: number of relationships and marriages that break down amongst COMA

628
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,559
Speaker 3: survivors because I get over it, like you had the

629
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,679
Speaker 3: best treatment possible, you know, the doctors were, nurses at

630
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,039
Speaker 3: the hospital were wonderful. You know, get over it, but

631
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,639
Speaker 3: you can't. You just can't get over it because no

632
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: one's given you a satisfactory explanation.

633
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,119
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, and you sort of

634
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: just entered it right there. But basically, have people rejected

635
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: the lives they've come back to, but it sounds like

636
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: they have some of them have.

637
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there's only a certain number of people

638
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,159
Speaker 3: I could actually find to talk to us mmmm round

639
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: about one hundred and twenty plus in depth helping us

640
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: with the book. Yeah, more than one has said I

641
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: wish I had not come back. In one case, for

642
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,639
Speaker 3: somebody also called Debbie, she experienced something that was so

643
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,159
Speaker 3: fantastically beautiful. She found herself on a bed which somehow

644
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:30,159
Speaker 3: became a stage. She was levitating above it. Well, she

645
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,679
Speaker 3: was surrounded by entities holding hands. She said, they weren't human,

646
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,679
Speaker 3: they weren't alien, They were the embodiment of love, and

647
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: they just pumped love into her and her healing and

648
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:46,159
Speaker 3: for healing, and she said, they healed all my life wounds.

649
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: But she had to fight, and they were encouraging her

650
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: to fight telepathically. She never felt so happy or at

651
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 3: peace in all her life. She comes out of a ConA.

652
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,159
Speaker 3: She's got uncaring family, wants to talk about what she's

653
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: been through. Everyone seems glitterly and weird, and she just

654
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: wishes she could go back to that existence and she

655
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,599
Speaker 3: will pine that for the rest of her days. Others,

656
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: you know, they see their dead relatives perhaps and maybe

657
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,079
Speaker 3: they're told to return home, and they just don't want to.

658
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: They've never felt so wonderful. And this is like over

659
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,079
Speaker 3: and over again people telling me this, I never felt

660
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: so at ease, so at peace, so one with the universe.

661
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,199
Speaker 3: I am the universe, I am God, I am everything.

662
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: A couple of people said that in this many words

663
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 3: to me. So when you come back to this world

664
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: and it's not even as clear visually as the one

665
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: you've just left, it just they just can't settle to it.

666
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: And you know, in many cases people said, Okay, you know,

667
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,639
Speaker 3: I'll take my time, but you know I'll go, but

668
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: I'll be really glad to get out of this one

669
00:39:59,239 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: right now.

670
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: How when you've done all this research, talked to all

671
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,079
Speaker 1: these people, how has it changed you? What do you

672
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: how do you feel about For instance, Jef.

673
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, big change. Okay, I'm a journalist. I used to

674
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 3: do a lot of foreign affairs, which meant wars and disasters.

675
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of people die or gribal events,

676
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: and I thought dead meant dead. And the research I

677
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: was doing in this book enabled me to talk to people,

678
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,079
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, who died. Clin nickally died and

679
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: came back and could told me stories. And when you

680
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,079
Speaker 3: realize it's like talking as a journalist that eyewitnesses to

681
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,159
Speaker 3: an event, eye witnesses who've not had chance to collaborate

682
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: amongst themselves, and they're all talking of remarkably similar yet

683
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:53,199
Speaker 3: different things. I didn't realize it, but my outlook had

684
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: changed half with you writing the book. My daughter Rebecca died.

685
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: She was a police detective, completely out of the blue. Patently,

686
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: it's upsetting, it's the worst thing cam to a prood

687
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: and I had all of that. I had simontaneously, this

688
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: odd solace which came from knowing that you don't die,

689
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: because I realized at that point, like the penny dropped,

690
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: that you can't die. The first law of thermodynamics has

691
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: it that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. And my daughter,

692
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: at Rebecca was a ball of energy. So where did

693
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,159
Speaker 3: that go? It had to go somewhere. So I'm convinced

694
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:34,079
Speaker 3: we all we never die, And I think when people

695
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:38,119
Speaker 3: have the near death experience, I think this is common

696
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,159
Speaker 3: probably to everyone who passes over and maybe to all mammals,

697
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: that something wonderful happens at the point of perceived death,

698
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: as in I'm falling off a cliff, I'm going to die,

699
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: or they're coming at me with guns or whatever, or

700
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 3: that you actually are physically going because you're having a

701
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:03,199
Speaker 3: heart attack or whatever. Nature, God call it what you will,

702
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: has given us something truly remarkable that either eases the

703
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 3: passing or opens a gateway to what lies beyond. Now,

704
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,679
Speaker 3: the research in this book led me to look for

705
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: parallels and Okay, within the human body, we produce a

706
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: psychedelic substance called NNDMT, and this is the active ingredient

707
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,639
Speaker 3: in ayahuascar. When people take ayahuascar, they go to other realities.

708
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: And if two people who like partners, say take it together,

709
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: they can both go to the same reality together. Now,

710
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: the similarities between DMT in that situation ayahuascar, the similarities

711
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: between DMT in scientific trials, and a great book to

712
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: read is brick Strassman's DMT the spirit molecule. People go

713
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: two distinct realities, many of which resemble Avian abductions. That's

714
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,519
Speaker 3: certainly well worth a read. And we know that the

715
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: human body produces d MT. We speculate that it's the

716
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: pioneal gland here in between the eyes going back at there,

717
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: but it's unproven because you can't prod and proke ethically

718
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,599
Speaker 3: help the individual's pineal gland. So they can do it

719
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,559
Speaker 3: with rats, for example. So they induce a heart attack

720
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: and a rat and they find a DMT in its

721
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 3: system as spiked about six hundred percent if they check,

722
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: which they don't very often. The urine of people suffering

723
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: from schizophrenia, you will find the MT in their urine,

724
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: which could account for some of the events that schizophrenics experience.

725
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: Is within all of us. This and together with the

726
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: other other chemicals. So if yet to pinpoint and analyze

727
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: a name even and they must be producing a remarkable

728
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 3: or amount of cocktails cocktail of drugs that will in

729
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,639
Speaker 3: this instance open you up to a different reality. And

730
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 3: I think people in coma who are experiencing that, and

731
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: for many they're going way beyond that because the meds,

732
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,039
Speaker 3: if you're in intensive care, you're close to death if

733
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: they put you in a gun, but you're very close

734
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,159
Speaker 3: to death, and the meds puts you that much further,

735
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,559
Speaker 3: and they go beyond that. They'd go way beyond what

736
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 3: people are experiencing with the Iowa SCAT and with DMT trials,

737
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: and they are living minute by minute alternate life or

738
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,039
Speaker 3: going back in the past or trapped in health. So

739
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 3: within that, there are mechanisms within the human body that

740
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: maybe just allow us to see other realities as simple

741
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: as that.

742
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:54,159
Speaker 1: Wow, very sorry about your daughter. I saw you you did, okay, it.

743
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: Was like part of the story. It was like part

744
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,159
Speaker 3: of the story and incredible solace that the book has

745
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: given me to make me think this way. I love

746
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: to Tary and but I don't think she's dead dead. Yeah,

747
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: you know, I'll catch up sooner or later. It's like that.

748
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,679
Speaker 3: And the more I look into this world, the more

749
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 3: likely that just seems to me. Mentioned that to me,

750
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,639
Speaker 3: like prior to doing this book, and I would have

751
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,679
Speaker 3: said I was nuts. I just said I was the

752
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: crazy one. But now I just believe it Wholeheartedlyah. Of course,

753
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,079
Speaker 3: of course that's the case.

754
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could you not look into this? What you

755
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:32,559
Speaker 1: looked into and not how you have to have an

756
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:33,599
Speaker 1: open mind to begin with.

757
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: But all these.

758
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: People can't be they can't be bssing. I mean, these

759
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: things are real to them.

760
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:44,119
Speaker 3: But doctors will dismiss it because they don't understand it.

761
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: And it took a journalist to me, my wife who

762
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,039
Speaker 3: co wrote the book with me, who's a private eye.

763
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,519
Speaker 3: It took a private eye and a journalist to investigate

764
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,679
Speaker 3: something because we were sitting on our hills with COVID

765
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: that should have been investigated fifty years ago or any

766
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: between now and then and hasn't been because no one's

767
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: looked for a problem. And we just got alarm bells

768
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: very early on that you know, this is all off

769
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: pack this, this is too clear, unanswer and we need

770
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: to talk to people who've been through the experience. And

771
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: once we started talking to people who've been through the experience,

772
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,199
Speaker 3: unlike most intensive care doctors, like, we found out things

773
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: which blew our minds, absolutely blew our minds. And you

774
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: asked me if it changed my outlook. Yeah, you know,

775
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,079
Speaker 3: I'm not going to die, and it's quite likely that

776
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,679
Speaker 3: I've had multiple lives I don't record them currently, but

777
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: people within coma, the consistency of them, and saying, oh,

778
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,599
Speaker 3: the lives, the lives, there were so many. They were

779
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: just endless and just rattling them off. One woman's one

780
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:56,559
Speaker 3: South African medical to what's in intensive care. She she

781
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:59,159
Speaker 3: was in a coma, and she could just rattle off

782
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: life after life after life and named the eras like

783
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,679
Speaker 3: this was the Victorian. Now the woman had a brooch,

784
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: you know, a cameo brooch, and the color and so

785
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: on and so forth. And in every instance she was

786
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,199
Speaker 3: murdered and raped everyone, and just on and on and

787
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,559
Speaker 3: on and on and on. In some cases she was

788
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: in Arizona. Another time she's in South African Simon's town,

789
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,079
Speaker 3: gets caught up in apartheid, writes, gets murdered there, and

790
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,679
Speaker 3: so on and so forth, just all over the place,

791
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: not confined to one location and not confined to any

792
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: particular time span, just over and over. She also told

793
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: me that she spent one hundred thousand years within her coma,

794
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,559
Speaker 3: living on the bottom level of existence and on the

795
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:49,119
Speaker 3: top level existence. On the bottom it was all like

796
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: siltan slodge, and at the top it was Once in

797
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:56,559
Speaker 3: Zeros and she was flipped between the two and okay,

798
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,639
Speaker 3: so doctor, what tablets have you got for that? You know,

799
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: I just think you are psychotic. Oh hey, dog, I

800
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,639
Speaker 3: spent one hundred thousand years. You know, it's no one

801
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: can take it on board. But to her, that's certainly real.

802
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: And why not? I mean, why not? You know, it's

803
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,039
Speaker 3: just like Carl Young, you know, and the collective unconscious

804
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: that it contains the knowledge of all of our existence.

805
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: So people believe started to say Carl Young, perhaps way

806
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,599
Speaker 3: back before that, maybe that's exactly what she was experiencing,

807
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: and she was tapping into the collective unconscious, and she

808
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: was experiencing life through the ages, and why not? Why not?

809
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 3: It's perfelly okay to be now, you know, it.

810
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: Would be really freaky if one of these people either

811
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: drove past the location and went, oh, oh my god,

812
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: that's where I was in.

813
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,519
Speaker 3: My But we get this a lot in real life,

814
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 3: don't we. We oftentimes hear these things. Yeah, I was

815
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: in the back of a truck in the army, say

816
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,639
Speaker 3: I heard this one, and we went past this point.

817
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,679
Speaker 3: I wanted to start desperately because I knew this village,

818
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: but I couldn't because I came from Norfolk and that

819
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: was the other side of the country, soul and all

820
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: this happening a lot, so very likely there is this

821
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,519
Speaker 3: little glitches, little past lives popping into this life. Yeah,

822
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: deja two, what the heck's happening? Yeah, false memory, hallucination, delirium.

823
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: It's something that happens to us all. We don't necessarily

824
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:26,039
Speaker 3: understand it. Some people take it seriously, but most of

825
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 3: us just dismiss it. Well, that was weird. Yeah, But

826
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: like I was here before.

827
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually had an experience I've never talked about

828
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: but you know, only to people close to me. But

829
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,679
Speaker 1: when I was I was in Georgia with my grandparents

830
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: when I was a little, very little, I think, probably

831
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,039
Speaker 1: under ten, and we went to this Civil War battleground

832
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 1: type place and there was a museum and I walked

833
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,599
Speaker 1: into that house and I knew like where the rooms

834
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: were and everything, and I was freaking out as a kid,

835
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: and you know, and I didn't even know what it was.

836
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the term d as at the time.

837
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, you know, like.

838
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: You are not alone, You are not alone in this.

839
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 3: You are not you know. And I think periodically we

840
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,159
Speaker 3: all get to peer through some window, if only for

841
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,199
Speaker 3: a nanosecond, but it's there. And as I said earlier,

842
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: people like with dementia, I think, I think we maybe

843
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,679
Speaker 3: looking to this next How do you? How can you?

844
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 3: Because you don't get them back necessarily, They are going

845
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: to similar places. I believe that people are going within

846
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,119
Speaker 3: their coma, as in their going back through past lives,

847
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,119
Speaker 3: past lives, or going back revisiting key elements in the

848
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: alter detail of this life, in reliving their marriage, the

849
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: birth of their first child, that kind of thing.

850
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:46,679
Speaker 2: You know.

851
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: I had a very close relative that was close to

852
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: passing away, and they started talking about their life traveling

853
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: around the country and all these people coming to see

854
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: him sing. And he talked about going to this gas

855
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 1: station where all these people came into the gas station

856
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:08,559
Speaker 1: in the base, you know, where they work on cars,

857
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: and he was up on a platform and he was

858
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: singing to them all.

859
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,119
Speaker 2: He never even sang you know what I mean?

860
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll give another example of something akin to

861
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 3: that Nick who's in the book in this life couldn't

862
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: change a light bulb, couldn't change a light bulb in

863
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 3: his alternate life. This is the guy that the Southeast

864
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: Asian War. He was a brilliant handy man. His dad

865
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: in that world was a big time motorcycle mechanic. Taught

866
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,559
Speaker 3: him everything about mechanics and just engineering and so forth,

867
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: and he could just turn his hand to anything. When

868
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: he comes out of his coma, his Beyonce is he's

869
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,639
Speaker 3: a ventilating system breaks down. He goes straight up to it,

870
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:53,519
Speaker 3: identifies the problem, fixes it like that. He's been fixing

871
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: his car, He's fixed his neighbor's push law mower, he

872
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: fixed the walk in fridge, freeze of the six foot

873
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:03,039
Speaker 3: square and so on. And he says, it's not as

874
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,639
Speaker 3: if on a newfound prodigy, and I know immediately how

875
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: to do these things. I have to go there and

876
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: figure it out. I like it, you know, it's still

877
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 3: natural to me. So where'd that come from?

878
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,119
Speaker 2: How can you explain that? Yeah?

879
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 3: You can't say it's the meds, can you? We? You know,

880
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: we gave you a load of pro performs and kettin

881
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: in and now you're a great mechanic. It doesn't go

882
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: like that.

883
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,199
Speaker 1: Wow, and what is another? I'm just part way through

884
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,559
Speaker 1: your book, but you know, Nick, I think Nick't story

885
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: really stood out to me is he the one that

886
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: on the pizza parlor or something.

887
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 3: In this world. Pizza parlor in this world and he

888
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:45,159
Speaker 3: was mad crazy and it's like wildcap life. In between

889
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: being in the army and stuff. He just lived all

890
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,039
Speaker 3: over the country, had all sorts of di girlfriends. He

891
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:55,199
Speaker 3: ran some kind of frozen food business and he was

892
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,119
Speaker 3: settling it on cruise ships. And he spent a lot

893
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: of time on cruise ships. And he said it was

894
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,119
Speaker 3: great on deck Margarita's and dakers. I had a great time.

895
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,639
Speaker 3: And this is real. Other people told me. One I

896
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,559
Speaker 3: told you, for example, in this life is really big

897
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: in sailing. And in his coma life he was in

898
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,039
Speaker 3: someone like the West Indies and he was sailing, oh lot.

899
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,119
Speaker 3: He was there and really really just having a great

900
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:26,679
Speaker 3: life and talking to people and doing things. People are

901
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: having real events, real events that we cannot always explain.

902
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: Some things we can find parallels for as in you know,

903
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 3: this is like a near death experience. This is like

904
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: taking iowas skin in the Amazon. Alternate lives. You know,

905
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:45,679
Speaker 3: Buddhist will say that they can see their past lives,

906
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:47,599
Speaker 3: but I don't believe, you know, the one in deepest

907
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: transcendental meditation, But I don't believe that they're actually living

908
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,199
Speaker 3: it minute by minute, as in or stubbing your toe.

909
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,119
Speaker 3: It hurts that kind of detail because that is the

910
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: detail that people will report within their comas.

911
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:08,039
Speaker 1: Now, what about had anyone spoken a different language like

912
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: in their in their coma?

913
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. If you hums on the internet, you will

914
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 3: find things like people say, oh, my class was in

915
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,159
Speaker 3: a coma and he woke up. No, he speaks French

916
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:22,519
Speaker 3: and doesn't understand English. Well, okay, married to private investigator,

917
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:26,599
Speaker 3: I'm an investigative journalist to track them down. No, they

918
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 3: don't exist. We try everything to track them down. They

919
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: don't exist. There are some odd spurious stories people going

920
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: into the future, for example, but we couldn't find any ourselves,

921
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: and we couldn't actually pin down anyone who said to

922
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: have a new language. But the new skiller thing is

923
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: pretty good. When they come back, they are in many

924
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: senses the person they were before, but they feel that

925
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 3: they're having to act the role because they don't quite

926
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: remember their life before, and their life in coma sometimes

927
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 3: was just that much more real, that much more real.

928
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: But nick Nick had he said that, he said, sometimes

929
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,119
Speaker 3: I feel that I had far more there than I

930
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 3: do here, certainly in terms of his love life and

931
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: the funny had just like partying and just as wild animal.

932
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,039
Speaker 3: He had a great time and he very likely have

933
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:24,119
Speaker 3: a heart attack when he was like middle aged because

934
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:27,079
Speaker 3: of the lifestyle, crazy lifestyle he was living. And then

935
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:32,119
Speaker 3: work up in the hospital here and Okay, someone's asked him, question,

936
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:34,519
Speaker 3: what do you think it will take for the scientific

937
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 3: community to study this seriously? Well, you know what I

938
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,159
Speaker 3: really like. I really like it when doctors experiment on themselves.

939
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,119
Speaker 3: You know, they ject themselves a little bit of collar

940
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,039
Speaker 3: to see seeing what happens and so on. I think

941
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: some doctors should put their hands up and go deep

942
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 3: into coma and come back and tell us what they experienced.

943
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: I mentioned her name is jam in South Africa, works

944
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 3: in intensive care. They placed it into induced coma. When

945
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: she came out of the coma, she went back to

946
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,519
Speaker 3: see her colleagues, the anethetists and the ICU doctors to

947
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:11,159
Speaker 3: top them what she experienced and they were like, oh yeah,

948
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: really just like thinking she's completely bonkers and they will

949
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: not take it seriously. By the way, is an I

950
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: see you delirium? Oh you have that an hallucination. Oh

951
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: that's just a false memory.

952
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so I'm experiencing some Internet of shoes. I

953
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: don't I don't see it on your end. I think

954
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: it's on my end. I have no idea why everything

955
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: here's a bell. But yeah, yeah, oh that's good. That's good.

956
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,039
Speaker 1: So do you think this is it? You say you're

957
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,119
Speaker 1: you may look into a darker series or something like that.

958
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. What we want to do we need to expand this.

959
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:57,519
Speaker 3: We need to reach as many I think possible. And

960
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: I really, really really want to wake up the medical world.

961
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, Ripleer's book, That's what I'm

962
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 3: going to write about trains or something. No, it's not

963
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: going to be like that. This will be the thing

964
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: we concentrate on. We have to wake up the medical world,

965
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: and we want coma survivors to understand they are not alone,

966
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: and to understand in many ways that what they've experiencing

967
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,679
Speaker 3: post a coma is a consequence of the coma, not

968
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: for the original reasons they were placed in the hospital.

969
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: You're going with pneumonia, you don't necessarily lose your balance

970
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,119
Speaker 3: or tensive points of your IQ. It's the hospital treatment

971
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: that's doing that, and it's known. It's just a fact.

972
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,119
Speaker 3: It's called post intensive care syndrome. It's known about. And

973
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:41,239
Speaker 3: yet you can ask a whole bunch of people that

974
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: work in various intensive care units around the world about

975
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,599
Speaker 3: post intensive care syndrome and they go what they don't

976
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: know about it. They don't know about it, or they

977
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: change the subject and they just won't talk about it.

978
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: I tried to interest medical journalists in this is a story,

979
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: and they were like, the ones have bothered to reply, real,

980
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: crazy power? Are you crazy power? Right? This has been

981
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: the standard medical proceeds of the past fifty years. Get real,

982
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,239
Speaker 3: and I want to say things like, if you went

983
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:14,519
Speaker 3: back one hundred and seventy years, you wouldn't find a

984
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: doctor who would wash his hands because they consider it

985
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: insulting if you suggest that they did so. They used

986
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: to bleed people at the point of death, right for

987
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,039
Speaker 3: two thousand plus years. Probably still do somewhere. Right. They've

988
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,679
Speaker 3: killed countless people that way, so you can't say, oh,

989
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: we've been doing this in the past. Medical history is

990
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,119
Speaker 3: littered with examples of having got it wrong. One famous

991
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:41,519
Speaker 3: director of Harvard Medical School told his students once apparently

992
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: half of what you learn today will be proven in

993
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,639
Speaker 3: ten years to be wrong. The trouble is your tutors

994
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,079
Speaker 3: don't know which half. So doctors nurses should really be

995
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: alert to this, but they're not. They start practicing experience

996
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,639
Speaker 3: based medicine. The boss says, do it. Do it. My

997
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: colleagues have always been doing it. Do it. Oh well,

998
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,679
Speaker 3: I heard this podcast says you really shouldn't do it,

999
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,239
Speaker 3: and they go break up. Are you crazy? These poor

1000
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: people you would like to be there on a fent,

1001
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: breathing and all the rest of it. The kindest thing

1002
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,559
Speaker 3: is to knock them out. That's what they believe. That

1003
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,199
Speaker 3: they're wrong, They're totally wrong.

1004
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:19,519
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you I was on an event coming

1005
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,559
Speaker 1: out of heart surgery and a later, and it was

1006
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: absolutely brutal. I was trying to reach to grab it

1007
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: out and they had my hands strapped down.

1008
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 3: They will strap people down because they will pour the

1009
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,119
Speaker 3: tubes and I can understand what comfort. Yeah, yeah, but

1010
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,199
Speaker 3: you can be conscious with the tube down your throat,

1011
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: no problem. If it's done correctly. You tell people up

1012
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,119
Speaker 3: from what you're going to do, you get their approval

1013
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: to do it. When they come, you just knock them

1014
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,199
Speaker 3: out for a few minutes, put the tube down as

1015
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:53,119
Speaker 3: they come out. Yeah, really horrible, but you have a

1016
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: love one beside them, calming them down. And then the

1017
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:58,239
Speaker 3: same way that you and I have not thought about

1018
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,679
Speaker 3: breathing in the times been talking together, that patient will

1019
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 3: soon forget to think about his or her breathing and

1020
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: it will happen automatically. And modern ventilators allow the patient

1021
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,599
Speaker 3: to initiate the breathing these microcessor controlled events, so it's

1022
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,159
Speaker 3: actually quite possible. And then they're there and they can

1023
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: run a business on their laptop. They can you know,

1024
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,559
Speaker 3: text their friends and family or their nurses on their phone.

1025
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: They can do all sorts. And the idea is to

1026
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: get them walking around so that the joints don't council ify,

1027
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 3: the nerves don't separate, all the all the rest of it.

1028
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,719
Speaker 3: That way, people walk out of intensive care units as

1029
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: opposed to being wheeled down on a gurney and take

1030
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,039
Speaker 3: into another care facility further down the line. And people

1031
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,119
Speaker 3: will say, oh, but it's so expensive to keep them

1032
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: more conscious. You know, it's much easier to do than

1033
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,679
Speaker 3: when they're like sacks of potatoes in a bed. But

1034
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,639
Speaker 3: that's not true. It's just not true because so much

1035
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 3: more money it's expended within the hospital system on aftercare

1036
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: that if you've got them out of the intensive care

1037
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: unit right a lot earlier, they wouldn't have to be

1038
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: an aftercare. A vast number of people that have survived

1039
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,239
Speaker 3: coma do not return to their normal occupation. If they do,

1040
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,159
Speaker 3: they don't hold their job down because they don't have

1041
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,159
Speaker 3: any confidence in their souls anymore. I mentioned that the

1042
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,519
Speaker 3: woman with in a mathematical wisk. People are like that.

1043
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 3: The Deborauh who spent the time in the serial killer

1044
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 3: themed bar, she worked in account management. Afterwards, she was

1045
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: a complete mess. She didn't understand what she was doing.

1046
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: She'd be doing this job for six years prior to

1047
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,199
Speaker 3: being in a coma. She gets back to office, he

1048
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: doesn't even know what draw things are in, so right

1049
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:42,599
Speaker 3: there and they're losing their jobs and marriages break up.

1050
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 3: There's another financial penalty in that happening. So you can

1051
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: say the vast amount of money by actually keeping the

1052
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,159
Speaker 3: patient's patient conscious. And it's not just me saying this

1053
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,119
Speaker 3: or the up to date medical literature points to it.

1054
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 3: And if you don't believe me, at the back of

1055
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: the book. We point to all the medical lips that

1056
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: actually proofs everything that we're saying, and you won't find

1057
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 3: anywhere to make competition of this. You will not find

1058
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:12,639
Speaker 3: a medical textbook advocating prolonged deep sedation. None. None. We've looked.

1059
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: Now, you said, inducing a colma, chemically inducing e comma

1060
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: through drugs or whatever is only in good and rare occasions.

1061
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,639
Speaker 1: What type of an occasion would that be?

1062
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,199
Speaker 3: Okay, Again, there's a brief period of time people are

1063
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 3: suffering a brain seizure because the belief being that we

1064
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 3: need to switch it off because before it causes damage

1065
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,079
Speaker 3: to itself. But again, not not for a lengthy period,

1066
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 3: certainly not for months. People who've had certain complications following

1067
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 3: open heart surgery and the brain uses up a vast

1068
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: amount of oxygen and they want to divert that oxygen

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: into the heart, but again maybe a length longer period,

1070
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: but not for months at a time. And people with

1071
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,559
Speaker 3: certain injuries such as abdominalt where he really need to

1072
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: keep next exceptionally still, they would do that, but again

1073
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,519
Speaker 3: not necessarily for months of the time. And if they do,

1074
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,199
Speaker 3: they shouldn't have what's called sedation. Vacations where they keep

1075
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: bringing them around, trying to orientate them and then put

1076
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,159
Speaker 3: them back into a comfort zone. But not into the

1077
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 3: depths of hell where you're watching your wife, I repeatedly

1078
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,679
Speaker 3: in childbirth, not to those levels.

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Speaker 1: There's a someone in their chat that's written quite a

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01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,239
Speaker 1: bit of their own experience here, and I just thought

1081
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,079
Speaker 1: we just put it up there so you could look

1082
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: at it. He spent a lot of time as a

1083
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: teen and a young adult in a deep sleep due

1084
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,599
Speaker 1: to a medical condition. I'm not sure from whatever.

1085
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 3: I can't answer that.

1086
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, he says in this other he had another life.

1087
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: I guess here according to him that he had two

1088
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,159
Speaker 1: hours as a job.

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01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's that's that's again in the ballpark. That

1090
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: is in ballpark, And maybe again that is more like

1091
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,559
Speaker 3: a near death experience. Odd things happen to people in sleep.

1092
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 3: They can't explain sleep either, for that matter. So there

1093
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: are people that claim to go all manner of places.

1094
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: I go to the same place regularly.

1095
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,679
Speaker 1: That that is just that is just as unbelievable as

1096
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: these other stories that they go back or you know

1097
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't had a situation where I've

1098
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: gone back to a dream before I wake up and

1099
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,239
Speaker 1: I go back to the same dream. But I mean

1100
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: when people are having this horrible nightmare and they wake

1101
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,079
Speaker 1: up and they go back to it, oh my god.

1102
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: I just can't even oftentimes in loops or stuck in

1103
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: one reality, as I said, like eighty years in the

1104
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: serial killer themed bar and able to measure the trunk,

1105
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:49,519
Speaker 3: you know, the passing of time by various events. And

1106
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 3: eventually the place wasn't financially viable and they had to

1107
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: close it. And what did they do with her? They

1108
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,159
Speaker 3: put her in a wheelchair, took it to an organ

1109
01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: harvesting facility where she was put in the tank and

1110
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,039
Speaker 3: watch her and body dissolve around her.

1111
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that's that is just just

1112
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: absolutely horrible. I mean, I wrote a couple of the

1113
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,599
Speaker 1: nightmare ones. But it's also, like you said, if there's

1114
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,199
Speaker 1: a heaven, there's a hell. These people are having either

1115
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: beautiful experiences or you know, or everyday experiences, or or

1116
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: just horrible experiences. And yeah, I wouldn't want to variety.

1117
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: Variety is I wouldn't want to roll the dice, and.

1118
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't I wouldn't let in the place me or

1119
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,679
Speaker 3: any loved one in a coma. I'm kind of old now,

1120
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 3: so I won't bother. If I were younger, I would

1121
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 3: have no coma tattooed on my chest because I just

1122
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,119
Speaker 3: wouldn't have that happen, and I would have it done

1123
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 3: to all my children, nookma on the chest. But if

1124
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 3: you went to a hospital and said, oh please, doctor,

1125
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: don't put my loved one into a coma because I

1126
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: believe it's dangerous, they will laugh at you and very

1127
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: likely get security. So you know, really going to get

1128
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: away with that, You're just not you find in a hospital

1129
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,559
Speaker 3: where they're now looking at the modern medical literature.

1130
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: Now, are any We're just about at the end here

1131
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: about are any commas? Like, let's say it, I think

1132
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,559
Speaker 1: you did mention where a girl was on a motorcycle

1133
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,519
Speaker 1: or something and she got knocked knocked in the head basically,

1134
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: and I know something that happened to I'm actually going

1135
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: to ask them if they experienced anything.

1136
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:33,239
Speaker 4: Always always do and sympathetically ask them. You know, it's like, hey,

1137
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 4: tell us about your weird Covien doing because people are

1138
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,199
Speaker 4: not so reluctant to talk about it, but if approached correctly,

1139
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 4: people will tell you, it's a bit.

1140
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:44,159
Speaker 3: Like near death experiences. There was pointed out to me

1141
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: that if you actually ask around you, you'll be surprised

1142
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:52,239
Speaker 3: that friends and family have had near death experiences. Straight off,

1143
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,559
Speaker 3: I asked two of my friends, admittedly both of whom

1144
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: were WAL correspondents, if they had near death experiences, and

1145
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: they both had one in combat and another thrillness. So, yeah,

1146
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 3: these things aren't happening. That are all happening to us,

1147
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,079
Speaker 3: but we're not understanding them or taking them seriously. Now,

1148
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: just quickly, as we're moving into another age where artificial

1149
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: intelligence is the thing, other people are trying to explore

1150
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: the mind, particularly consciousness. Not doctors anymore, necessarily computer engineers

1151
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:31,559
Speaker 3: and others. They'rein lies a possibility for understanding consciousness. And

1152
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,239
Speaker 3: the first thing I would do if I was tasked

1153
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,719
Speaker 3: with understanding consciousness, I would debrief COMA survivors and get

1154
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:39,159
Speaker 3: them to tell me where they've been.

1155
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: Hmm, wow, fantastic.

1156
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: Well, now, before you leave, when we first started talking

1157
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,559
Speaker 1: before went live, I believe you said you had a

1158
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: UFO experience.

1159
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,679
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. Yeah, okay, and you.

1160
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,199
Speaker 1: Can't think there may be a couple of parallels too

1161
01:07:57,559 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: or something.

1162
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I think everything is tied only in that week.

1163
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,119
Speaker 3: There's so little that we do understand that I imagine everything

1164
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 3: else is all connected. One thing that people will tell

1165
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: you from within a coma, within psychedelics is that everything

1166
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 3: is connected. Everything that opposites, which you know, like the

1167
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,239
Speaker 3: two poles of a magnet, are in fact together. Everything

1168
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 3: is combined and together. Now I've forgotten. Did you asked

1169
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: me a question? And I've gone up on a little rempant.

1170
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: What was the question?

1171
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: Your UFO experience?

1172
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, UFO. So I was on the Pakistan side

1173
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,039
Speaker 3: of the Afghan border, a passenger in a car on

1174
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:42,079
Speaker 3: a busy road, and I've got another journey sitting beside me,

1175
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 3: and I'm looking out the window and there's a hill

1176
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,039
Speaker 3: and above the hill is what I think is an

1177
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:51,319
Speaker 3: aircraft at an angle of taking off. And I'm looking

1178
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:54,239
Speaker 3: at that, and I'm looking at that, and I'm looking

1179
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,239
Speaker 3: at that and it's not moving. I'm trying to figure out,

1180
01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 3: so if the car's moving, is there any way that

1181
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: you can and this would appear to be staying still.

1182
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking about this, and my partner just ludges

1183
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: me and says, are you looking at what I'm looking at,

1184
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,239
Speaker 3: and really we're both looking at the same thing. It

1185
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: was like the fuselage of an aircraft, silverish, no tail,

1186
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:24,199
Speaker 3: no wings, no markings, no cockpit glass anything, And it

1187
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 3: just stayed there and no joke, for around about ten minutes,

1188
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: we just looked at this thing. We couldn't have got

1189
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 3: the driver to stop because on a mad road, and

1190
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: you know it's called the road of death that we were,

1191
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 3: you just don't want to miss that sort of thing.

1192
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,079
Speaker 3: So we were just looking at this forever and it

1193
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 3: just stayed there, did not move, and it was about

1194
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: five hundred feet up something like that, but it's hard

1195
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 3: to say, given I don't know its size. The other

1196
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,520
Speaker 3: thing is somebody pointed out to me that's later what

1197
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,399
Speaker 3: relaying the story. It looked like an aircraft fuselage. But

1198
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: if you take a disk like a flying saucer and

1199
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,520
Speaker 3: put it flat on towards you would look like a fuselage.

1200
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: And so that could have been what we were saying.

1201
01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:08,520
Speaker 3: But we saw something that you would not expect to see.

1202
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,039
Speaker 3: There was no explanation. Oh it was a weather balloon,

1203
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 3: nothing like that. Also, there's holly any tech on the

1204
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 3: Afghan you know, Pakistan border stuff like that that get

1205
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,520
Speaker 3: shot down within minutes. So what the heck was that

1206
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,520
Speaker 3: I first saw that?

1207
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, I had someone involved in

1208
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: like the antiques world that I'm in, and they told

1209
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: me that they are and they're not into UFOs or

1210
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: anything like that, just nothing like that. But they had

1211
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,279
Speaker 1: like an experience with I think it was maybe mushrooms

1212
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh, they were absolutely convinced that

1213
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: they met an alien, absolutely convinced.

1214
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:56,319
Speaker 3: And yeah, entities, I mean mushrooms not so much, but

1215
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 3: maybe so depending on quantity. If you talk pot for

1216
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,399
Speaker 3: sure you'll.

1217
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: Meett is DMT.

1218
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:07,520
Speaker 3: You will certainly meet entities. There's supposed to be something

1219
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 3: like one hundred and forty four different types of entities

1220
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 3: that you might meet. But a bit like people's experiences

1221
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 3: if they're adducted, the word is ineffable. We just cannot

1222
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 3: we don't have the words to explain what we saw.

1223
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 3: Sometimes people say there was no visuals while I was there,

1224
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 3: completely there, experiencing everything around me, but no visuals. Other

1225
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,039
Speaker 3: times they are seeing entities and things moving across their

1226
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:41,279
Speaker 3: line of vision, or they look at a particular entity

1227
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: because it's extra weird. And then that entity will interact

1228
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 3: with them, but you can't describe the entity or draw

1229
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 3: it on a photo kit or something. And at the

1230
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,159
Speaker 3: police station there's no way that you can come to

1231
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:57,159
Speaker 3: you up how that appeared. It's like you just can't.

1232
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,520
Speaker 2: Wow, this is self fascinating. Well, I really wish go

1233
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: into all of this. Yeah, right, I really wish you luck.

1234
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: And I actually know if a couple of filmmakers, I'm

1235
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,359
Speaker 1: actually going to throw something.

1236
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:12,119
Speaker 2: Out unless you have some pleasemary in mind, because I

1237
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,039
Speaker 2: think we've got to.

1238
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,079
Speaker 3: Get the work. Also, thank you so much. That's what

1239
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:18,239
Speaker 3: I'm talking over is so rude of me. I'm just

1240
01:12:18,279 --> 01:12:22,159
Speaker 3: so excited. If you're listening and you know someone who's

1241
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:25,520
Speaker 3: been in a coma, you know, gently ask them about it.

1242
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,359
Speaker 3: And if you've been in a coma, you know the

1243
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:33,079
Speaker 3: book and it's also an audiobook. Here's the other thing.

1244
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,079
Speaker 3: Coma survivor is not really into reading when they came't

1245
01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:38,399
Speaker 3: because they don't seem to have the attention span, so

1246
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,239
Speaker 3: we produce an audio book. I'm actually finding that more

1247
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:45,239
Speaker 3: and more people today post to COVID are reading less.

1248
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,119
Speaker 3: I'm actually struggling with reading now. But I'm okay with audiobooks,

1249
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 3: read books that you wouldn't credit. And I haven't been

1250
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: able to read once since I finished this. Other people

1251
01:12:55,039 --> 01:12:59,319
Speaker 3: experiencing this. So there's a great audiobook, stunning audiobook which

1252
01:12:59,359 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: really brings it.

1253
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: Now, do you narrate the book? Are you? Are you

1254
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: the one?

1255
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 3: No? No, we got a wonderful South African actress called

1256
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:12,319
Speaker 3: Danny Painter. Now South African accent is not generally well

1257
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:17,039
Speaker 3: well known. It is like sunshine. It's like liquid honey.

1258
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 3: This is exceptionally beautiful and an addiction is crystal clear.

1259
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: And when she takes you down to the depths of

1260
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 3: these stories or to the peaks of heaven to have

1261
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: her take you, it's fantastic. You're really there. So the

1262
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 3: audio book excellent.

1263
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: Well what someone I just want to thank someone here

1264
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:42,560
Speaker 1: hold on, thank you so much, well very much. That's

1265
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: very nice you for that donation. And so I'm hoping

1266
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: people will buy your book. I am loving this book.

1267
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to finish it cover to cover because it's

1268
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,399
Speaker 1: just absolutely fascinating and I wish you all the luck.

1269
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,159
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you what I'm going to do after

1270
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: we get done tonight. I'm going to write my friend

1271
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,359
Speaker 1: who was actually in a coomb hole and I'll let

1272
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: you know if they did. And it was actually another

1273
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: motorcyclic was on a scooter in the in the Bahamas

1274
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: and fell off the scooter without a helmet and it

1275
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: was you know, hit or miss for that he would

1276
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: even survive. And when he was three of eight, he

1277
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: was four years old, he went into a pool when

1278
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: no one knew he was outside, and the pool was

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Speaker 1: covered and he was down in the pool for forty

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Speaker 1: minutes and it was the pool under the water and

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01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: it was really cold, cold water, and he was revived

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01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: and he survived and he didn't have I mean, he

1283
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,119
Speaker 1: was so lucky that ice had just thought off the

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01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: top of it and it was that cold.

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01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,359
Speaker 3: Wow. So that's that's the sort of situation that people

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: many a time were bought a very clear near death experience,

1287
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 3: as in like crossing over, getting to the pearly gates

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:58,359
Speaker 3: that level.

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, who he might be my next guest.

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01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: Something interesting. Explore this world. We should go explore this world.

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 3: It's beyond fascinating. That's right, it's mind blowing.

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01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:11,359
Speaker 2: And we know so lot.

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01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,359
Speaker 3: As I say, remarkably, little Martin, thank you so much.

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01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 3: For helping bring understanding to something that's not understood.

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01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Well, thank you so much. It's been

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01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 1: a real pleasure. Take care, good night, and I know

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,520
Speaker 1: it's real late for you, so thank you. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back next time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all