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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Iye on the Ball
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Speaker 3: with me today is Dave Cosgrove. You know, the Pima
Speaker 3: men's soccer coach, the successful Pima men's soccer coach. And
Speaker 3: we have one behind the other mic We're in control,
Speaker 3: so we should be great today. Thanks everybody, Thank you
Speaker 3: Dave for being here.
Speaker 4: Great to be here. Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: We have guests like you know, a little sports and
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about a lot about what you've done
Speaker 3: over the years at Pima TSA, now FC Tucson, things
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 5: Are you a Native. I don't even know if you're
Speaker 5: a native.
Speaker 4: I consider myself a native.
Speaker 6: I moved to Tucson when I was six weeks old
Speaker 6: on my dad got a job at the UVA for
Speaker 6: forty years.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, six yeah, I guess you're you're okay, I'm
Speaker 3: a native now I'm thirty seven years and one is
Speaker 3: a native. We will never leave this town. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: love you so though you should. It's a great place.
Speaker 3: That's why I never left Lace. Yes, yes, Dave. Are
Speaker 3: you coming off the heels of another fantastic run at
Speaker 3: a national championship?
Speaker 5: Where did you end up?
Speaker 6: We lost in the national semi finals on penalty kicks
Speaker 6: to the Ventral National.
Speaker 5: Champions Yeah, I saw, I saw it was it two
Speaker 5: to two.
Speaker 6: Or something like that, two to two in regulation and
Speaker 6: then into pks.
Speaker 5: You had to come back.
Speaker 4: No, we were ahead.
Speaker 5: Oh you're ahead. That makes it even more difficult.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't want to make you cry. I don't want
Speaker 5: to make you throw anything.
Speaker 6: So yeah, no, you know, I've been doing it a
Speaker 6: long time and this is one of more difficult losses.
Speaker 6: And even technically it's not a loss, my record takes
Speaker 6: it as a Yeah, I guess that's how they do
Speaker 6: the pks. So we ended up twenty one and one
Speaker 6: for the r H and you know, in the national finals,
Speaker 6: the team that beat us had a much easier time,
Speaker 6: So we feel like we missed an opportunity. We were
Speaker 6: about one play away, one shot away from potentially a
Speaker 6: third national championship. So you were up to oh, we
Speaker 6: were up to Oho in the first half, had some
Speaker 6: really good chances to go up three zero, which we
Speaker 6: felt like would be the magic number because this team
Speaker 6: has scored two goals in every game all year long.
Speaker 6: So we were looking at that number, that that third goal,
Speaker 6: and felt like we created enough chances to get it,
Speaker 6: and and and we didn't quite get there. And then
Speaker 6: of course they came back. We knew they were going
Speaker 6: to score a goal or you know, maybe two, so
Speaker 6: you know, we were really holding for yeah, and anticipating,
Speaker 6: and we get you know, I will say the kids
Speaker 6: executed everything perfectly. I think we got a lot of
Speaker 6: things right and it just came down to one play
Speaker 6: or one kick.
Speaker 3: So what do you tell what do you tell the
Speaker 3: kids after after that? I mean, you you have them,
Speaker 3: you've had them a years, the only lost one game
Speaker 3: or one match, and what do you tell them?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, this was a difficult one because you know,
Speaker 6: we returned nine of our eleven starters, so.
Speaker 5: It was you returned or we did.
Speaker 6: So it was a group we've had together for two years,
Speaker 6: and you know, I've been there there a long time
Speaker 6: and this is one of those groups that I'll remember.
Speaker 4: For the rest of my life.
Speaker 6: They were fantastic from the first day they stepped on
Speaker 6: campus to you know, even as we finish up this
Speaker 6: season this year and then even into the spring, some
Speaker 6: of them will still be with us, but a lot
Speaker 6: of moving on.
Speaker 4: It was just a really unique, special group.
Speaker 6: And you know, we had set real high expectations and
Speaker 6: you know, if you look at our record, we really
Speaker 6: did do well. But you know, I think I think
Speaker 6: the thing that I tried to get across to them
Speaker 6: was one is I think we prepared really well. So
Speaker 6: you know, you get to those situations sometimes where you
Speaker 6: have regrets, Well it was a referee faulter, or we
Speaker 6: didn't do something well, we didn't play well, whatever it
Speaker 6: might be. I think we prepared well. I thought the
Speaker 6: kids really bought in for the entire year. I don't
Speaker 6: have any regrets about the way we did things. A
Speaker 6: year ago when we lost in Tucson. You know, I
Speaker 6: got caught by surprise by another team in the way
Speaker 6: they played us, and I felt I let the kids
Speaker 6: down in twenty twenty three, and you know, I was
Speaker 6: on a mission not to let that happen again. I
Speaker 6: should not have been unprepared. So the kids really bought
Speaker 6: into that. We changed a couple of things that we did.
Speaker 6: We felt like we were prepared for every opponent, and
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, it's just one kicked
Speaker 6: in and go our way.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's a little bit for me.
Speaker 6: I think it may be even more difficult than those
Speaker 6: guys because their careers are just starting. But you know,
Speaker 6: I can see the end of my career coming sooner
Speaker 6: or later, and I don't know if I hope I
Speaker 6: have another chance. But you know, to have such a
Speaker 6: good group of guys and be so close, it's really
Speaker 6: been hard on me. And I guess the message I
Speaker 6: just told to them is I hope that this is
Speaker 6: the most difficult day they ever have to go through.
Speaker 6: Is that day losing that If their life that is
Speaker 6: the most difficult day, then they've lived a really good life.
Speaker 5: Sure of course, of course, and you've had some great success.
Speaker 3: But before we go there in your tournament history, it
Speaker 3: probably makes it more enjoyable or more memorable in the
Speaker 3: two titles that you have because you realize, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you've realized for a long time how difficult it is
Speaker 3: to win one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I bet you get a lot of coaches on
Speaker 6: here whether it be when in a high school, stay
Speaker 6: titled in Arizona, or you know, pursuing national championships at
Speaker 6: different levels, whether that be club or junior college or
Speaker 6: you know, even at the University of Arizona.
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen that often.
Speaker 6: And you know, a friend of mine, you know, and
Speaker 6: maybe you've had them on here lately, you know, Bat Nugent,
Speaker 6: just one is you know, and you know, I was
Speaker 6: texting him after the game, and you know, just tell
Speaker 6: him that it doesn't come around that often. You need
Speaker 6: to make sure you enjoy it. You need to make
Speaker 6: sure you remember it. You know, keep the pictures, you know,
Speaker 6: keep the quotes.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, I when I won my first national championship,
Speaker 6: I got a ton of emails and I've kept those
Speaker 6: and every time, you know, I get a little bit,
Speaker 6: you know, where am I going to go with my career?
Speaker 4: Is it time to retire?
Speaker 5: Is it time to move on?
Speaker 6: Go back and read those emails, and it really kind
Speaker 6: of re energizes me because the reality is is only
Speaker 6: one person wins every year, and there's a lot of
Speaker 6: really good coaches and good players across the country. And
Speaker 6: we were really close this year, and you know, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just it's it's it's just you know, it's difficult.
Speaker 6: But but you when you do win it, you know,
Speaker 6: that would be my I guess my one piece of
Speaker 6: advice is make sure you celebrate it because you don't
Speaker 6: know if it's gonna happen again.
Speaker 3: Well, it reminds me of the conversation I always had
Speaker 3: with with Josh Passner. Right, he's a freshman coming here
Speaker 3: at u A ninety six, ninety seven, they do okay
Speaker 3: or in the season, and then they win the title,
Speaker 3: and he's telling his dad, dad, we just want and
Speaker 3: look how easy is it's going to be? The rest
Speaker 3: and in Arizona has never even come you know, maybe
Speaker 3: two thousand and one to come close. But you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, you think that, but it doesn't work
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think kids, you know, because they're young, they think
Speaker 6: it's always going to be that easy. It's always going
Speaker 6: to happen that way, and you know, usually takes a
Speaker 6: lot of circumstances to get there, whether it's the right players,
Speaker 6: the right coach, right, I guarantee you everybody will talk
Speaker 6: about somewhere along the line they face some adversity and
Speaker 6: things went their way. Yeah, you know, and you know
Speaker 6: there was always something that kind of you.
Speaker 4: Know, sparked the run, sparked it.
Speaker 6: And you know those don't happen all the time, you know,
Speaker 6: and you know it is you know, as I as I,
Speaker 6: you know, get further and further into my career, you know,
Speaker 6: those two years will always be something I remember you.
Speaker 3: So tell me, well, you got to be lucky, you
Speaker 3: got to be good, gotta be healthy, all that, all
Speaker 3: that stuff that we talk about all the time. So
Speaker 3: in your last ten years, Uh, do you have the
Speaker 3: record in the last ten years?
Speaker 5: I know, do you know the success? Now?
Speaker 6: I don't know my overall win and loss record. You know,
Speaker 6: I've believed that for the sports information director or my parents.
Speaker 4: He and my dad tracks that stuff.
Speaker 6: But you know, the thing that we've gotten to now
Speaker 6: at PIMA is well, what does the postseason look like
Speaker 6: for you? And in the last since twenty fourteen, we've
Speaker 6: been in ten of the last eleven national championship tournaments,
Speaker 6: which means you're into the last eight or last twelve
Speaker 6: best teams in the country. And even there, we've made
Speaker 6: the national quarterfinals or better every year we've been there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty good stuff, pretty good stuff. And I guess
Speaker 3: say you probably savor the last the two titles because
Speaker 3: they don't come very often.
Speaker 5: Are you different? Can I ask your age?
Speaker 4: You're fifty fifty seven, fifty.
Speaker 3: Seven, I knew you when maybe you were a five ish?
Speaker 3: Maybe are you different coaching now if I asked you
Speaker 3: this question now than you were when you were thirty.
Speaker 6: Five, Absolutely and hopefully better. Definitely different.
Speaker 3: Wisdom wise, yeah, you know, I think philosophy wise, yeah.
Speaker 6: I think you know, you know, trying to you know,
Speaker 6: learn more about the game, you know. Uh, It's been
Speaker 6: something I've done over the last twenty years. But you know,
Speaker 6: when I started and I was working with your son,
Speaker 6: you know, it was a lot about intensity, about accountability
Speaker 6: and demands, and I don't know there was that much
Speaker 6: about the tactical part of it, the mental part of it,
Speaker 6: you know. And that was a good group and they
Speaker 6: probably could have been challenged a little bit better that
Speaker 6: way from me, you know. And and and you know,
Speaker 6: I think I've learned to manage players better and to
Speaker 6: pick battles better, do you uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Which which, of course you have how many on the roster? Eighteenish?
Speaker 5: Whatever? Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you coach them, each individual different or all the same,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: I think I try to look at each player individually.
Speaker 6: I think in any team, there's gonna be kids you
Speaker 6: can call out publicly and they're okay with ye, right right,
Speaker 6: kids that need to have you put your arm around them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I think there's general rules for everybody in terms of
Speaker 6: accountability and discipline and character. But I think, you know,
Speaker 6: you look at the player more than just you know,
Speaker 6: you put them all into one one hole, you know.
Speaker 6: I think each each player has different it's a different bag,
Speaker 6: and sometimes you just need to treat them differently. And
Speaker 6: I think I've matured in that area, knowing when to
Speaker 6: treat a kid differently, when to you know, again, hold
Speaker 6: them accountable, or when to put my arm around them.
Speaker 6: And I think that's just something that comes with maturity
Speaker 6: and experience.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: No, No, the biggest philosophy that I've heard is, you know,
Speaker 3: you got to know when to put your arm around
Speaker 3: him and no one to kick him in the buttally,
Speaker 3: not literally, but figuratively, you know, because every individual is different,
Speaker 3: right yeah, No, No, of course, before we move on,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about our guests real quick, We're
Speaker 3: gonna have Jake Fisher on at three seventeen, our usual
Speaker 3: Friday guests, but I wanted to have him on because
Speaker 3: rich Rod took that job yesterday with West Virginia. He
Speaker 3: paid for rich Rod. He thinks the world of rich Rod,
Speaker 3: just what you know, what he sees in him. Going back,
Speaker 3: I'll kind of tell my stories with rich Rod during
Speaker 3: that time, and then we're gonna have a kind of
Speaker 3: a workout guy, like a a fitness guy I met
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago, and wasn't really about fitness.
Speaker 3: It was about philosophy of what you and I were
Speaker 3: talking about Dave, where they he gets him to peak
Speaker 3: performance in terms of not really not really physically, but mentally.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you you deal with that where you
Speaker 3: have to be tough mentally as well as physically mentally
Speaker 3: to survive and to succeed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 6: That is an area I think in athletics across the
Speaker 6: board that is being developed more and more and more
Speaker 6: time and more money and more efforts to be put
Speaker 6: into the mental side of the training. And to be honest,
Speaker 6: I look forward to him because that's something I don't think.
Speaker 4: I'm very knowledgeable in you know, I've.
Speaker 6: Just kind of done it through what I've seen on
Speaker 6: seeing what's been successful, and then of course you know,
Speaker 6: just through experience. But you know, no formal training in
Speaker 6: that at all.
Speaker 5: Especially nowadays.
Speaker 3: Well I'm sure back in our days too, what we
Speaker 3: really didn't notice it because kids are going through a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff up school of life, athletics.
Speaker 5: They have a lot of their plate.
Speaker 3: We all did, right, It's just different now because it's
Speaker 3: out there where the pressures to succeed from either the
Speaker 3: parents or themselves, it becomes really magnified.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that in this day and age, with
Speaker 6: the social media and players having their own brand, there
Speaker 6: is a constant pressure on these kids to develop their brand,
Speaker 6: you know, and sometimes that gets lost within the team concept.
Speaker 6: So I feel in some ways I feel bad for
Speaker 6: these kids now. Yeah, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 6: great things going on in athletics these days, you know,
Speaker 6: in terms of again this guy who does the mental training,
Speaker 6: the advancements in the physical training, the devancements in the
Speaker 6: technical the technology that helps kids train and become better players,
Speaker 6: and within America especial within you soccer, the opportunities and
Speaker 6: the different areas that they can go to and be
Speaker 6: successful is amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we got a few minutes. Got a couple
Speaker 3: of minutes, right, Who was your biggest influence? And I
Speaker 3: know a lot of the guys that you coach with,
Speaker 3: but who was the influencer?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think from a soccer perspective, there's two that really
Speaker 6: stand out in my career as a player. I played
Speaker 6: for a gentleman who coached at Tucson High but he
Speaker 6: was a local youth club coach. He came from Libya.
Speaker 6: His name was Ibrahim Abusad, and he was an old
Speaker 6: school you know. It was the you know, intensity and
Speaker 6: everything you did. You trained hard every day.
Speaker 4: There was no days off, and that's where you got
Speaker 4: it from.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So you know when I was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 6: and he coached me when I was a player at
Speaker 6: Pima in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4: I mean he.
Speaker 6: Really impacted me in a lot of different ways, you know,
Speaker 6: And you know, I think I model a lot of
Speaker 6: my behaviors after him. That was a no, he's in Atlanta.
Speaker 6: I mean he was he still kind of doing what
Speaker 6: he's doing. He became very successful engineer and soccer. He
Speaker 6: was with the Libyan national team for a while, and
Speaker 6: then he moved to the United States, and he was
Speaker 6: very good here in the youth programs in soccer and
Speaker 6: even Atlanta. I think he won a national championship with
Speaker 6: a youth club over there.
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, he's an engineer.
Speaker 6: He's a father, His his his his children were very good.
Speaker 4: Soccer players as well. Then of course the other one.
Speaker 6: And I think pretty much if you talked about soccer
Speaker 6: and Tusson, there's always gonna be one name that comes
Speaker 6: across the board.
Speaker 4: You know, with Wolfgang whever.
Speaker 6: You know, I basically did an internship with Wolfgang for
Speaker 6: about five six years, and that relationship has now developed
Speaker 6: for the last twenty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, you know, back then I got
Speaker 4: paid a.
Speaker 6: Little bit of money when it really I should have
Speaker 6: probably been paying him money for where I was learning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, and I think you know.
Speaker 6: Again, you probably heard that story, you know, one hundred
Speaker 6: times if you talk to soccer people in Tucson.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, and what I learned a lot
Speaker 4: from wolf was.
Speaker 6: A lot of player management, professionalism, organization.
Speaker 4: So you know, as a coach, I think I learned
Speaker 4: a lot lot more from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the god the godfather, grandfather of soccer in Tucsons, right, very,
Speaker 3: very humble guy, very He's a funny dude. You wouldn't
Speaker 3: know it, but you know when he first came here,
Speaker 3: he would you know, he used the effort a lot
Speaker 3: because that's what he heard people talking, you know, at
Speaker 3: the games. What are they saying these words? So he
Speaker 3: kind of mimicked the Americans. You don't go into games, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: And there's another guy who's changed, guys, you know, he
Speaker 4: just like all.
Speaker 6: Of us, he's adapted with the times, Chruse. The one
Speaker 6: thing that hasn't changed is the job he does. In
Speaker 6: an amount of times he wins. That's been consistent for
Speaker 6: forty years now.
Speaker 3: Right, right, No, the most successful soccer coach in the state. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so, most wins probably, Yeah, And I think.
Speaker 4: He's probably in the top ten in the country.
Speaker 3: If I guess right, right, And he's still going strong.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him in a while. We've talked a
Speaker 3: couple of times. Let's go take the break. We'll get
Speaker 3: ahold of a Jake or he'll call us, and then
Speaker 3: we'll talk about a lot of things. Going on with
Speaker 3: football u A. He's very entrenched, so we'll talk.
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Speaker 1: Steve Rivera, He's got his eye on the ball on
Speaker 1: Tucson's sports station, Fox Sports Sports bide.
Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to I'm the Ball Hero Fox Sports
Speaker 3: fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and with me today is
Speaker 3: Dave Cosdro, the PEMUM and soccer coach. Now on the phone,
Speaker 3: we have Jake Fisher, former U of A football player.
Speaker 5: Jake, how are you?
Speaker 11: I'm doing well?
Speaker 7: You guys can hear me right, I'm on BLUETOOE.
Speaker 5: You're good. You're good.
Speaker 3: You actually never sound better, Jake, So come up with
Speaker 3: some great wisdos?
Speaker 11: All right? Good?
Speaker 5: Hey, So I want to talk to.
Speaker 3: You specifically about rich Rod getting the job back in
Speaker 3: West Virginia and then we'll talk about what's going on uve.
Speaker 3: But first, I know you thought the world of rich Rod.
Speaker 3: He must be in seventh Heaven right now.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 11: I mean, I think you deserve this. He he was
Speaker 11: in purgatory for a little bit and then he ended
Speaker 11: up taking Jack State to the conference championship, and he
Speaker 11: deserves it. I mean, he's probably one of the only
Speaker 11: people in the country that you can plug into West
Speaker 11: Virginia and automatically make him better. He's got all the
Speaker 11: connections over there, and if he puts together a good
Speaker 11: stat I don't see why they couldn't run it back
Speaker 11: and start winning ten games a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you What did you like about him
Speaker 3: the most? Because he was he was intense.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but it was more of the conversations behind the scenes,
Speaker 11: you know when we went when Jake Smith and I
Speaker 11: went to go, you know, essentially and sign on to
Speaker 11: fight the NCAA about you know, fair pay and all
Speaker 11: these other different things. Behind the scenes, you know, he
Speaker 11: was giving us advice. You know, he said, guys, listen,
Speaker 11: you know I agree with it. Go do your thing,
Speaker 11: and we're behind you. Let me know if you guys
Speaker 11: need anything. You know, when it came to him between
Speaker 11: the white lines, you know, he was he was a
Speaker 11: gritty football coach man. I mean he was. He was smart.
Speaker 11: He knew how to call plays, but he also knew
Speaker 11: how to work until you, you know, a point of exhaustion.
Speaker 11: But then you also knew how to push you a
Speaker 11: little bit further.
Speaker 7: So just all in all, the dudes a winner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't deal with him all that much because
Speaker 3: you're on the defense, or did you.
Speaker 11: He dealt with everyone. Obviously, the offense was his, you know,
Speaker 11: that was his baby, But no, he dealt with guys
Speaker 11: on the defensive side of the ball too. I mean
Speaker 11: you during conditioning, you're out there, you know, with the
Speaker 11: strength staff and everything like that. He just shows up
Speaker 11: because he wants to see who's putting in the work.
Speaker 11: You know, he wants to give encouragement. He likes to
Speaker 11: talk a little trash from now, you know, from here
Speaker 11: and then so again, he just always wanted to be
Speaker 11: around the practice, always wanted to be around the guys,
Speaker 11: and you can see why a lot of people have
Speaker 11: so much respect for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I can't remember who I spoke to,
Speaker 3: but it isn't really matter who I spoke to he
Speaker 3: talked about Oh, I know, I wanted to say. So,
Speaker 3: when you have a situation like now, like with U
Speaker 3: of A. Now you have Brent who's coaching the head coach,
Speaker 3: and you you worked for Cas Steele I think right,
Speaker 3: he was your linebacker's coach.
Speaker 11: Yeah, coach Casteel was my linebackers.
Speaker 3: So are you are you more there to impress him
Speaker 3: or you're closer to him obviously than rich Rod?
Speaker 5: And how does that work?
Speaker 3: Because players play for their assistant coaches rather than the
Speaker 3: head coach because they deal with them more often.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, there's a couple of different types of head coaches.
Speaker 11: You have head coaches that like to call plays, they
Speaker 11: like to be super involved in everything. Then you have
Speaker 11: coaches that are more of ceo types. Rich Rod wanted
Speaker 11: to be in the mix, right. He was there all
Speaker 11: the time, whether it's a defensive practice, offensive practice, whether
Speaker 11: we were running you know, scout stuff, whether it's seven
Speaker 11: on seven. He was in on the action and everything.
Speaker 11: So you know, obviously, because we're in the same room
Speaker 11: with Castiel most of the time, you gravitate a little
Speaker 11: bit towards the guy that you're more familiar with the
Speaker 11: guy that you know, you're basically talking to on a
Speaker 11: daily basis. But you know, everybody wanted to play for
Speaker 11: coach rich Rod. Coach Ritrod had a very good way
Speaker 11: of getting you fired up to go and try to
Speaker 11: you know, be the you know, be a better player
Speaker 11: than you are. So again, you're gonna end up gravitating
Speaker 11: towards your coach. But everybody wanted to play and win
Speaker 11: for Richard.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know because you've been on the show a
Speaker 3: few times during the season, almost every weekend, And you
Speaker 3: know I always talked about the disconnect between the coach
Speaker 3: and the players. I just didn't know. I couldn't tell
Speaker 3: you how or where. I just felt that having covered
Speaker 3: sports for a long time, I think I was correct.
Speaker 3: Given the transfer portal, how it looks right now? Your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that, And did you see what I was seeing?
Speaker 3: Because this team had some talent. Talent doesn't get beat
Speaker 3: by more than twenty doesn't give me war thirty.
Speaker 11: No, there are a couple of things that I saw.
Speaker 11: You know, obviously, you know who the players are. The players,
Speaker 11: the ones that you expected to show up and play,
Speaker 11: They did, even if they had a bad game. At
Speaker 11: least they were going there, you know, as hard as
Speaker 11: they possibly could. I think things started really falling apart
Speaker 11: when we started losing all those key starters. I mean
Speaker 11: we lost you know, three out of the four guys
Speaker 11: in the secondary pretty quickly. A couple of the captains
Speaker 11: went down, obviously you saw Manu go down. And then
Speaker 11: the biggest thing, in my opinion, on the defensive side
Speaker 11: of the ball is I mean the middle of that
Speaker 11: defensive line. I mean, we had what two guys go
Speaker 11: to Texas, We had a couple of guys on the
Speaker 11: outside go to Washington, So we lost a lot of
Speaker 11: valuable depth that would have been coming back and you
Speaker 11: know that could have potentially ran it back after a
Speaker 11: ten win season. When it came to the offense, you know,
Speaker 11: I just did not like to play calling. And I'm
Speaker 11: not calling anyone out in particular. I just I thought
Speaker 11: we looked either sluggish or disjointed, or some of those
Speaker 11: long handoffs or you know, you have guys that are
Speaker 11: meant for more of a pro style offense or whatever that.
Speaker 11: You know, you have guys that are really good in
Speaker 11: the box that like to pull, and then you're trying
Speaker 11: to do stretches. It just it just didn't really fit
Speaker 11: the type of offensive line that we had. And then
Speaker 11: you didn't have any guys that can really make plays
Speaker 11: that are receivers with the exception of Team Max. So
Speaker 11: they're bracketing them, they're clouding them every single time, they're
Speaker 11: doubling them.
Speaker 7: I mean, you got a free basically have a safety
Speaker 7: over the top, but that safety never went to the.
Speaker 11: Other side of the field. He just basically knew he.
Speaker 7: Could sit down and just watch what t Mac was doing,
Speaker 7: and you're.
Speaker 11: Still able to do as well as he did. So again,
Speaker 11: some of it you know, effort, some of it play calling.
Speaker 7: But then again, like to go back to rich.
Speaker 11: Rod, if you messed up, it didn't matter if you
Speaker 11: were a senior or a freshman. He'd come get in
Speaker 11: your face and he challenged you. You know, I didn't
Speaker 11: really see a lot of that on the sidelines right now. Again,
Speaker 11: I'm not part of the locker room, but the fact
Speaker 11: of the matter is, you know, these guys are competitors.
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, you got to challenge them.
Speaker 11: You know, if they make a mistake and you just
Speaker 11: kind of let it go, they're gonna.
Speaker 7: Make another mistake.
Speaker 11: So that's kind of what I saw, Dave.
Speaker 3: If you can bring me out your point of the
Speaker 3: locker room, how you know people don't still see that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Jake, it's good to talk to you, you know,
Speaker 6: as a coach.
Speaker 4: You know, I think, you know a lot of people.
Speaker 6: Don't understand how important behind the scenes stuff is. Everybody
Speaker 6: can criticize and see what's going on on the field,
Speaker 6: but you know, the locker room is really important and
Speaker 6: what you know, and I don't I don't know much
Speaker 6: about football, but I I just wonder, you know, and
Speaker 6: I use the word handcuffed, you know. You know, the
Speaker 6: new coach is basically given a team and he's handcuffed
Speaker 6: with the way they play, with the way they did things,
Speaker 6: how they were recruited, what they were told, and he
Speaker 6: kind of has to honor that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Do you do you think that figures into it?
Speaker 6: And how difficult of a situation do you think that
Speaker 6: would be for a new coach?
Speaker 7: Well, okay, so you know, with the new coach coming.
Speaker 11: In, I understand that you're going to have some things
Speaker 11: that you want to change. This is the difference though,
Speaker 11: coach is Back when coach rich Rod took over from
Speaker 11: a team that only won four games. The sit and
Speaker 11: the roster basically got worse, and somehow we go out
Speaker 11: the next year and win eight games.
Speaker 7: So there is really good coaching.
Speaker 11: That can solve a lot of these issues. In the
Speaker 11: beginning of the year, coach Brennan said, we're going to
Speaker 11: fit the scheme to our players. I didn't see much
Speaker 11: of that at all either.
Speaker 7: So as a coach, I know, and you.
Speaker 11: Know, trust me, I understand that the locker room is
Speaker 11: a sacred place. But it's almost like when a lot
Speaker 11: of these starters went down, there was a void that
Speaker 11: needed to be filled. You know, you had a lot
Speaker 11: of these young guys trying to step in and play,
Speaker 11: and they were making a mistake at a mistake at
Speaker 11: a mistake, and you know, sometimes the head guy and
Speaker 11: you know this because sometimes the head guy's got to
Speaker 11: come down on you. And it's not to be negative.
Speaker 11: You know, like all the best coaches I've ever had
Speaker 11: in my life, when I do something right, they'd be
Speaker 11: the first person to come over say good job. When
Speaker 11: I do something bad, they're the first person to come
Speaker 11: over and try to correct it. So I just didn't
Speaker 11: see a lot of that now again because coach Brennan's Moore,
Speaker 11: the CEO type that might be on the position coaches
Speaker 11: or whatever, it just comes down to one thing. When
Speaker 11: that defensive backfield, when those guys went down, and it
Speaker 11: looked like half the guys didn't know what they're doing,
Speaker 11: i know, doing a keen azel of a coach. So
Speaker 11: either they're not listening, they weren't prepared, or they just
Speaker 11: you know, didn't want to play hard. That's really all there.
Speaker 3: Is to it. Well, I'll time check in every box
Speaker 3: that you just said. So what do you what do
Speaker 3: you make in mean, Jake Fisher, I know what I
Speaker 3: make of it. What do you make of the the
Speaker 3: transfer portal defections?
Speaker 11: Well, it just looks like a lot of the players
Speaker 11: that came back and you know, basically they said, hey, listen,
Speaker 11: it didn't work out. I'm getting offers from other schools.
Speaker 11: Just go ahead and check out our options. Now, if
Speaker 11: these guys come back, then they better get ready to
Speaker 11: work hard. I mean, you know, losing the two safeties
Speaker 11: and trading Stokes Well and Tocario essentially like all those
Speaker 11: guys played a hell of a lot, you know, for
Speaker 11: the last couple of years.
Speaker 7: That's gonna sting.
Speaker 11: But when it comes down to it, these guys, I
Speaker 11: know that they have connections all over the place. I
Speaker 11: know that a lot of these guys are really decent recruiters.
Speaker 11: I mean, there's no way in hell you can go
Speaker 11: to San Jose State and you know, basically get to
Speaker 11: a bowl game year after year when you have absolutely
Speaker 11: no resources and say that they're not good recruiters. It's
Speaker 11: just one of those things. You know, I understand given
Speaker 11: them another year, maybe even two, because you know, this
Speaker 11: past year he didn't even get that first transfer portal window,
Speaker 11: so we lost a lot of guys because you know,
Speaker 11: we had a coaching change, But at the same time,
Speaker 11: you didn't get a chance to go out and get
Speaker 11: your own guys. So it's like a net loss from
Speaker 11: that standpoint. Now with these guys, let these guys bring
Speaker 11: in the ones that they've been scouting for the last year,
Speaker 11: that they've built relationships with. You know, behind the scenes,
Speaker 11: it might be a lot, you know, a lot better
Speaker 11: than what it looks like on the surface.
Speaker 5: We'll never know.
Speaker 11: Just I'm hoping that they get some guys that actually
Speaker 11: fit their scheme, and I would really love to see
Speaker 11: you know, if Noah has decided to come back, I
Speaker 11: would really love to see someone that can get them
Speaker 11: out of the pocket and someone that can really utilize
Speaker 11: that kid's talents because he's got an arm. I don't
Speaker 11: care how short he is, he's got an arm. But
Speaker 11: if your two guards are both six, you know, six
Speaker 11: or six seven, and you have basically him just sitting
Speaker 11: back there, you know, without any crazy play action, any
Speaker 11: boots or anything like that, it might be a long
Speaker 11: day for them. And then, you know, the other thing
Speaker 11: is if you're doing delayed handoffs and then you fake
Speaker 11: it and you already have three people in the backfield,
Speaker 11: that's an automatic sack. There's just a lot of things
Speaker 11: that were just looked weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you I was going to a shoo this
Speaker 3: before you brought this up. You were with stoops before
Speaker 3: you set out or whatever. And then rich Rod comes in.
Speaker 3: What was the what was the success? What was the
Speaker 3: key for that transition?
Speaker 11: The key to the transition was get some of the
Speaker 11: you know, the knuckleheads out of the locker room. I
Speaker 11: remember that.
Speaker 5: We did remember that.
Speaker 11: Ye yep, we brought in a couple of transfers. At
Speaker 11: that point, you couldn't bring in twenty new people, right,
Speaker 11: So we brought in a couple of key transfers and
Speaker 11: we relied on a lot of young guys. So we
Speaker 11: had decent starters. You know, up until about the fourth
Speaker 11: or fifth game. Our defense looks good, offense looked good.
Speaker 11: And then, just like every single year, the injury bug
Speaker 11: started happening, and then we had to start playing a
Speaker 11: lot of true freshmen. So there were a lot of
Speaker 11: high scoring games. Thankfully, we had guys like you know,
Speaker 11: Matt Scott, Kadeen Carrie. We had a really really good
Speaker 11: wide receiving corp that year because they had the score.
Speaker 11: Man Like, it was just we were literally down to
Speaker 11: like six walk Ons playing a lot of time on
Speaker 11: the defensive side of the ball towards the end of
Speaker 11: the year. So, I mean, you guys remember the Bowl
Speaker 11: game against the Vada I mean, we started out know
Speaker 11: how many walk Ons. It was just awful. A bunch
Speaker 11: of freshmen and you know, they were basically keying on
Speaker 11: three or four people on the defensive side of the
Speaker 11: ball and letting the freshmen or these other guys basically
Speaker 11: whiff on tackles or getting you know, ran over by somebody.
Speaker 11: But it was just all disciplined, you know, stay the course.
Speaker 11: And the good thing is with a good leader, they
Speaker 11: don't flinch like rich Trod did not flinch one time.
Speaker 11: It was just basically, we're going to power through it.
Speaker 11: And at the end of the year, I hope you
Speaker 11: guys are here and you want to go again because
Speaker 11: we're going to be better. We were. We just had
Speaker 11: a tough schedule the next year and then the year
Speaker 11: after that, even though we lost you know, a few
Speaker 11: key pieces, they ended up going to the festival. So
Speaker 11: if you know how to construct a team, you know
Speaker 11: how to lead a team, you don't flinch, you're going
Speaker 11: to do well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I have one city next to me. In fact,
Speaker 3: the ones here. Loot was not that guy, but he was.
Speaker 3: He demanded respect in a different way. Maybe maybe Sean
Speaker 3: Miller was that guy in a different type of way. Stoops.
Speaker 3: I don't really don't know how he was someone. I
Speaker 3: think he was like, you know, vanilla or whatever, just there.
Speaker 11: Skin skin gets a bad rap because of the stuff
Speaker 11: on the sideline. But he was the hell of a
Speaker 11: coach too, and he was like a mastermind on defense.
Speaker 11: Rich Rod was the mastermind on offense. They both went
Speaker 11: about it different ways, but both demanded your respect. Both
Speaker 11: were good coaches, and they both really knew how to
Speaker 11: bring in good coaching staff. Yeah right, I mean about Stoops,
Speaker 11: he lost what his brother Mark and Sonny Dykes after
Speaker 11: year one. I mean, those are two of the best recruiters,
Speaker 11: you know, in all college football. I mean he still
Speaker 11: was able to retain you know, coach Kisch and coach
Speaker 11: Nicol and guys like that. But I mean think about,
Speaker 11: you know, the type of guys that he had that
Speaker 11: were coaching under him. I mean, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, he was the catch and then I could
Speaker 3: be totally wrong. The Brennan's personality. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it fits.
Speaker 11: I mean, I've never had a coach that's that nice, right,
Speaker 11: and I hear nothing of the good things about him.
Speaker 11: But it's like I feel like, as a coach, you know,
Speaker 11: obviously you can you have the guys like Jetfish, who's
Speaker 11: a great car salesman, but he knows what the hell
Speaker 11: he's doing, and he might be you know, I don't
Speaker 11: even know what the word is. It might be a
Speaker 11: little cutthroat when he moves on the way that he did.
Speaker 11: But good coach. You know, you have guys, like I said,
Speaker 11: like you know, rich Rot, he's got an edge. Everything
Speaker 11: that he does is for a reason. He doesn't flinch,
Speaker 11: you know, with stoops. You know, even with the sideline stuff.
Speaker 11: He knew what the hell he was doing. He knew
Speaker 11: how to build himself a staff, They knew how to
Speaker 11: go out and recruit players, and it just, you know,
Speaker 11: the wheels kind of fell off at the end there
Speaker 11: because of all the injuries and a lot of guys
Speaker 11: basically bailing at the last second. But all the coaches
Speaker 11: that I've been a part of have a little bit
Speaker 11: of an edge. You got to be willing to get
Speaker 11: in somebody's face and really, you know, really get at
Speaker 11: after him. But also be the guy that when you
Speaker 11: have a good play, they come out and you're the
Speaker 11: first person to tell them good job. You can't always
Speaker 11: be one or the.
Speaker 3: Other, right ro David and I will talk about this
Speaker 3: once we get off the phone with you, because that's.
Speaker 5: Kind of it. Anything else anything else with that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd rather cover a good team than a
Speaker 3: bad team.
Speaker 5: So here's hoping that they do well.
Speaker 11: Well. We're not going to be covering any of those today.
Speaker 11: I mean, look at basketball. If they don't beat UCLA,
Speaker 11: I might jump off the wagon for this year already.
Speaker 11: I gotta figure that out. They have Wait, I'm not
Speaker 11: going to jump off completely understanding like they have way
Speaker 11: too much talent and the way that they've been playing,
Speaker 11: you know, the way they've been covering the three point.
Speaker 7: You know, those two bigs.
Speaker 11: You know a lot as a man. But I mean, shoot,
Speaker 11: previous is supposed to be more of a scorer of
Speaker 11: the two. And I know he's getting back from his ankle,
Speaker 11: but man, I just something's not clicking over there. I
Speaker 11: don't know if it's for roster construction or we have
Speaker 11: guys that are all new and you know, we have
Speaker 11: a freshman playing and stuff like that, or and looks
Speaker 11: like he took a step back, but I know he's
Speaker 11: trying to get these other guys comfortable in their roles.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: It's like I'm like last year where he just came
Speaker 11: out firing. It looks like he's just you know, kind
Speaker 11: of picking his spots right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you gonna be there? You gotta go?
Speaker 11: No, I'm not gonna go. I'll probably be off roading
Speaker 11: or fishing.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'll text you the scores, like, give you
Speaker 3: an update every every five minutes.
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm going to have the scores right there on
Speaker 11: the Okay, on the phone while we're out.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we'll talk to you soon. Keep working for
Speaker 3: me and we'll see you soon.
Speaker 11: Yes, sir, talk to you guys.
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Speaker 5: I'm Steve Rivero. In with me today is Dave.
Speaker 3: Cosgrove being a soccer coach? And one are you one
Speaker 3: doing good?
Speaker 5: Thursday edition? Thursday edition a little bit weird? Yes, Yes,
Speaker 5: you're being tomorrow too. Yeah, I'll be back tomorrow. Thank
Speaker 5: you very much, double head this week.
Speaker 3: So so Dave, Okay, so you heard me talk about Brenton.
Speaker 3: I think everybody knows he's just the nicest coach whatever,
Speaker 3: good guy. And I've said this a few times and
Speaker 3: you could throw this in your category two. I don't
Speaker 3: know any any I can say that with authority, any
Speaker 3: good guys who are good coaches, who are great coaches.
Speaker 5: And I say that because there.
Speaker 3: If you're a good coach, if you're a good coach,
Speaker 3: a good winning coach, there's there's some pos in you,
Speaker 3: there's some pain in the neck in you that you
Speaker 3: have to be you have to be that guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think you know that you know, attention to details,
Speaker 6: what you're really talking about, and when you coach it
Speaker 6: and the players don't learn, at some point in time,
Speaker 6: you have to try a different approach to make them learn.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, stop there and you can continue. Okay, So,
Speaker 3: Dave Cosgrove, I don't know, you're an intense coach, right,
Speaker 3: You're an intense coach. You you demand is not the
Speaker 3: right word, but you know, kind of like you you
Speaker 3: demand them to work hard and all that stuff Rich
Speaker 3: Rod type of thing. If tomorrow you said, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to be that guy, and you've already have
Speaker 3: kids on the team, won't they think like, what the
Speaker 3: hell what.
Speaker 5: Happened to Dave?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think I think there'd be a lot of shocked
Speaker 6: players previous And.
Speaker 3: Would they play the same for you like they did before.
Speaker 4: I would guess probably not, because they're used to my style.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 6: One of the best compliments I ever had was a
Speaker 6: former player mentioned that you know that you inspired us
Speaker 6: to be better than we thought we could.
Speaker 3: Be, and as a coach, that's what you're asking for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it's really at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, you know, sometimes you know, especially if
Speaker 6: you're a major Division one or professional, it's measured in
Speaker 6: wins and losses. But you know, at the junior college level,
Speaker 6: the high school level, the youth level, you know, when
Speaker 6: you hear somebody say like, I'm a better person, I'm
Speaker 6: a better player because of the way you coach me,
Speaker 6: that's really probably the real reward, d'ra after sure.
Speaker 5: So to answer my question, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you know many good coaches, many good dudes who
Speaker 3: are and women who are great coaches.
Speaker 6: Who I know a lot of people who are great
Speaker 6: people and great coaches. But I also know that they
Speaker 6: pay attention to details, and they hold players accountable. They
Speaker 6: have a strict culture of discipline and commitment, and when
Speaker 6: kids don't live up or players don't live up to that,
Speaker 6: they will find a way to reach that player and
Speaker 6: get their message across.
Speaker 5: Or they don't play well.
Speaker 6: That would probably be the last kind of you know,
Speaker 6: I think good coaches would try a lot of different
Speaker 6: ways to get the buy in. Yeah, but ultimately, if
Speaker 6: they don't buy in and they keep making the same
Speaker 6: mistake and they're not learning, then they can't.
Speaker 3: Play Yeah, no, I think I think the way you
Speaker 3: explained it kind of was a little kink into my theory.
Speaker 5: But you're probably right. And I know a lot of.
Speaker 3: Good dudes, but they're not good coaches because you know, hey,
Speaker 3: little Johnny and Johnny, these are eighteen nineteen twenty the
Speaker 3: kind of want to be friends type of thing, and
Speaker 3: you can't be that until they're gone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and I'll tell you this, I think
Speaker 6: you know, and we talked about this earlier. Coaching in
Speaker 6: college is a changing environment. Yeah, probably changing more now,
Speaker 6: quicker than everywhere right in front of them, right, you know,
Speaker 6: And and you know, I think you know, the coaches
Speaker 6: who are able to adapt to those changes are you know,
Speaker 6: probably doing very well and moving forward. I know there's
Speaker 6: a lot of coaches, you know that have left the
Speaker 6: game because of the changes, you know, whether it be
Speaker 6: the transfer portal and il and so forth. You know,
Speaker 6: it just it just changes. I think the way you
Speaker 6: have to do your business and adapt. But you know,
Speaker 6: within that, you know, I think you're you got to
Speaker 6: be really careful because if you coach a kid too hard,
Speaker 6: he's gone in a year, of course. And then and
Speaker 6: then if you do that with twenty kids, everybody is
Speaker 6: all of a sudden saying this guy's a bad coach.
Speaker 6: The culture is wrong, sure, because you know twenty kids
Speaker 6: go into the portal, but really what you're doing is
Speaker 6: trying to hold these kids accountable and teach them. And
Speaker 6: rather than them learning, they've decided to go somewhere else
Speaker 6: where they can get paid.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's easier one you cover the team for
Speaker 3: the first year, right, covered it in a sense like
Speaker 3: me just redund to games.
Speaker 5: You went to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty guys in the portal, what do you what
Speaker 3: do you think what's going on?
Speaker 17: I think for most of them there are times coming
Speaker 17: down as far as like their time in college. So
Speaker 17: why not go try to make the most of it?
Speaker 17: You know most of these guys, I don't. I don't
Speaker 17: want to say this, but it's the reality that most
Speaker 17: of these guys are going more than like they're not
Speaker 17: going to be in the NFL, right, So why not
Speaker 17: go look for where the money is, Go get the
Speaker 17: opportunity while it's there.
Speaker 4: If so, as opposed to five years ago, it wasn't so.
Speaker 5: If you're a marginal player.
Speaker 3: Not that they're all marginal there, they didn't play or whatever.
Speaker 3: If you can't play here and you're trying to go
Speaker 3: somewhere else, you're gonna get paid to play somewhere else
Speaker 3: when you didn't play here, I think. Yeah, So for
Speaker 3: some of those guys it's the case. But there's I
Speaker 3: think we have a good amount of of players in
Speaker 3: the portal that will get paid, that will because they
Speaker 3: have enough, They have enough to show other teams. Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll buy that. I'll buy that. Some of the marginal
Speaker 3: ones don't. Don't though, so how are you gonna pay?
Speaker 3: I think for them, they're looking just for a fresh start.
Speaker 3: I won't disagree with that, and they just don't want
Speaker 3: to start with here, Yeah, because they already know what
Speaker 3: the start looks like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 6: Actually, I think losing thirty players, oh okay, I think
Speaker 6: now that uh, you know, coach Brian can create his
Speaker 6: own culture with his own people, you know, and I
Speaker 6: you know, I think it's a difficult situation and inherit
Speaker 6: other people's talent, other people's personalities. Now again, I think,
Speaker 6: you know, top level coaches can probably adjust and make
Speaker 6: it work. As we've seen some coaches really do well
Speaker 6: coming into a program and doing you know, very well.
Speaker 6: But I think more and more of the stories of
Speaker 6: the jet jet fishes where you don't win a game
Speaker 6: one year, and then you know, you get your culture
Speaker 6: in every year it gets better.
Speaker 4: Look at the and I'll say the kid, because he
Speaker 4: is a kid up at a su you.
Speaker 6: Know, none of the splash, none of the notoriety of
Speaker 6: when Dion came into the what was the PAC twelve
Speaker 6: back then, you know, and they didn't have a very
Speaker 6: good year. And although you know, all the talk was
Speaker 6: about Colorado and Dion and and look what he's done
Speaker 6: through the portal and he's young. He relates to the kids,
Speaker 6: and I bet you I think he had a huge
Speaker 6: you know, exodus and then a change twit you know.
Speaker 6: So I think I think the real test for the
Speaker 6: U of a football program will be the next two
Speaker 6: years with his kids that want to be there for him,
Speaker 6: with his you know, his concepts, his philosophy, his locker room.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: So I think changing it out is actually a positive,
Speaker 6: and I don't look at as a negative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree with that explanation. Let me say this,
Speaker 3: he's on a short leash. Likely we may not get
Speaker 3: two more years, you might get the one.
Speaker 4: So I'll be controversial here.
Speaker 6: You know, I've been in Arizona my entire my entire
Speaker 6: life in Tucson, and I graduated from the u of A.
Speaker 6: My dad worked there for forty years. But you know, I,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not sure that's fair, you know, And
Speaker 6: and I'll tell you why. And this I'm sure we'll
Speaker 6: upset alumni and probably a lot of my family members.
Speaker 6: Is people have this image of the u of A
Speaker 6: as a big time football program.
Speaker 3: Totally controversial, baby.
Speaker 6: You know, I you know, and I love the UV
Speaker 6: and I you know, I spent my entire college career
Speaker 6: going to the u of A football games and I
Speaker 6: still go. But you know, it's a it's not a
Speaker 6: destination program job.
Speaker 4: It's a you know, I'm gonna get there and take
Speaker 4: the next step. You know. We saw that.
Speaker 6: And I'll date myself here going back to what who
Speaker 6: was it who left for?
Speaker 4: You see?
Speaker 5: Oh, coach Smith?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Smith, you know Larry Smith.
Speaker 6: You know now and then we just saught with fish
Speaker 6: or not only leaving for bigger programs, but inside the
Speaker 6: same conference.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: So the UVE is not a destination job. And The
Speaker 6: fact is, if you know coach Brennan does a great job,
Speaker 6: he's gonna go somewhere else.
Speaker 3: You would think that, you would think, No, No, you're exactly
Speaker 3: You're saying exactly the same thing I am. Hey, I
Speaker 3: think I'm Brad Pitt. I'm not Brad Pitt, you know,
Speaker 3: because you think more of yourself than you really are. No,
Speaker 3: I've lived it, I've written about it for thirty seven years,
Speaker 3: No question, you have to find a special individual, and
Speaker 3: specialist probably not the word. Luke decided to stay here
Speaker 3: and look what he created because he could have easily left,
Speaker 3: and he didn't, and that's what turned into the Arizona
Speaker 3: basketball Right. It takes that guy to say, okay, no,
Speaker 3: rich Rod Rich Rod did fairly well here, but once
Speaker 3: he did really well, he was already kind of looking
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else, and that kind of fell apart
Speaker 3: and then the rest of its history.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, lut made the UFA basketball program a destination,
Speaker 6: some job, right, that's where somebody will come coach for
Speaker 6: you know, the rest of their career and retire. You know,
Speaker 6: you know, I would argue Arizona softball is probably the
Speaker 6: same way. Sure, you know, but outside of those sports.
Speaker 6: I think it's it's a kind of a stepping stone program,
Speaker 6: you know, and and you know, uh.
Speaker 4: And then when you find it, Dick Tomy, that's rare.
Speaker 6: And of course that's rare anywhere you know, you know,
Speaker 6: and you see it all across the country.
Speaker 4: All these coaches are moving.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, we lost Judd Fish because you know,
Speaker 6: uh the boor lost in a national championship game. He
Speaker 6: had everything going his way up in Seattle and he
Speaker 6: still took another step up.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, no, Yeah, who's gonna who's gonna turn that
Speaker 3: one down? And the Dominoes felt And we're in Tucson.
Speaker 3: It's not a whole it's not a wealthy little town.
Speaker 3: It's not a wealthy big town. It's just it is cozy,
Speaker 3: nice Tucson. Uh so with you. In fact, somebody sent
Speaker 3: me a note here. Uh you're kind of the Ludolson
Speaker 3: of soccer here. Uh, you've been here forever, You've been
Speaker 3: very successful. You want two national titles. You talked about
Speaker 3: your your your your at your access in the in
Speaker 3: the tournaments. Uh, who's gonna who's gonna field the Dave
Speaker 3: Cosgrove shoes?
Speaker 5: Once once you leave and how how is that gonna work?
Speaker 4: Well, I'll start with.
Speaker 6: I never ever thought I would hear my name in
Speaker 6: the same sentence with loud Olsen, And then I don't
Speaker 6: think that's probably a fair statement.
Speaker 5: But do you understand what I say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, uh uh you know, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Because there's gonna be a you're fifty seven, like you said, Uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, ten years maybe whatever years you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to say goodbye. Who's you know. It's like it's
Speaker 3: like Wolfgang, I mean, how do you replace legends?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I definitely see my inter career a
Speaker 6: lot closer than the beginning of my career at this
Speaker 6: point in time. So you know, and every year, you know,
Speaker 6: I have to sit down and evaluate it.
Speaker 4: And and this year was tough, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I really really liked the team I ad
Speaker 6: on and off the field. You know, they they they
Speaker 6: actually made me do things that I was uncomfortable with
Speaker 6: in what way, just showing more personality postgame celebrations, you know,
Speaker 6: just you know, developing stronger relationship.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a long story.
Speaker 6: I don't know how much time we have, but you know,
Speaker 6: last year, these freshmen came in and they immediately took
Speaker 6: over the program. And there was one kid and I
Speaker 6: think he's been you know, on some talk before, Brandon Sanchez,
Speaker 6: who set the tone for the locker room, you know,
Speaker 6: and they just did goofy little things that all the
Speaker 6: kids really got into. And you know, I was sitting
Speaker 6: there last summer and I like, I like this group there,
Speaker 6: receptive to you know, different ideas way he's doing things.
Speaker 6: And I read something about Pete Carroll when he was
Speaker 6: at USC and.
Speaker 4: How he once a week he would.
Speaker 6: Do some type of gimmicky thing to keep it you know, fun,
Speaker 6: and like you know, you know, you know they you know,
Speaker 6: they were playing Washington and bringing a bunch of Huskies
Speaker 6: during practice and haven't run through practice or you know,
Speaker 6: they were you know playing you know, like Texas Tech
Speaker 6: and you have some guy up on a roof, you know,
Speaker 6: shooting off pistols, like you know, the the mascot from
Speaker 6: Texas Tech and you know. And then I also watch
Speaker 6: Australian Wolves fotball and they have a tradition there that
Speaker 6: the winning team afterwards gets together, they have a team
Speaker 6: song and the entire staff gets involved and team gets
Speaker 6: in a circle and.
Speaker 4: They sing together.
Speaker 6: So these are some of the things I wanted to
Speaker 6: try to try this year, and I thought it would
Speaker 6: be a receptive group. And I mean I actually spend
Speaker 6: some time, probably more time I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 6: postgame celebrations than I did on coaching.
Speaker 5: Well you twenty of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, it was very fortunate. So you know,
Speaker 6: so it just got me outside my comfort zone this year.
Speaker 6: So this group leaving is really hit me hard. So
Speaker 6: you know, I'm really trying to step back and you know,
Speaker 6: to get a little bit more perspective. Obviously, there's no
Speaker 6: time to stop recruiting. You know, even within junior college soccer,
Speaker 6: we don't necessarily have a transfer portal. But you know,
Speaker 6: I've gotten thirty forty to fifty emails on transfers already,
Speaker 6: you know, so try to come here, Yeah, yeah, from
Speaker 6: other junior colleges or some four year universities that didn't
Speaker 6: perform very well. So you know, it's not like you
Speaker 6: can just stop recruiting, but you know it it you know,
Speaker 6: I think this year, probably more than any year, I've
Speaker 6: been closer to that end of my career than you know,
Speaker 6: at the beginning.
Speaker 3: You turned into a softy as you get older, which
Speaker 3: is good. It's a good thing that you know.
Speaker 6: We had a twenty five year reunion with our alumni
Speaker 6: this year, the first group that we took to the
Speaker 6: national championship game, and you know, a bunch of kids
Speaker 6: came back and and of course they're men now successful men,
Speaker 6: and they said, exactly what you just said to me?
Speaker 4: Who is this guy?
Speaker 5: What happened to the guy we knew? Right right? Right?
Speaker 3: Like, well, you have to kind of adapt, like we
Speaker 3: were talking before, you have to. Well and did you
Speaker 3: do it because you had to or they kind of
Speaker 3: made you do it inadvertently?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think it was more about them.
Speaker 6: You know, they made me comfortable and going outside my box,
Speaker 6: and I thought they would buy into it and they
Speaker 6: would be receptive.
Speaker 4: I really liked.
Speaker 6: Them, and you know, I wanted to try to create
Speaker 6: a unique experience for them that they've not seen before
Speaker 6: it and I think we did that. And and of
Speaker 6: course now I'm thinking back, Man, I should have been
Speaker 6: doing stuff like.
Speaker 4: This twenty years.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It could have well you already successful, it could have
Speaker 3: been more successful.
Speaker 5: Thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just you know, creating unique experiences and challenging myself
Speaker 6: outside is just a soccer knowledge is to be a
Speaker 6: better coach and create this bond, maybe even a little
Speaker 6: bit tighter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, were ready to go a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: Ok Oh, you got a couple of minutes. Okay, So
Speaker 3: did you answer my question about who's It's gonna be
Speaker 3: tough because it's hard to replace people like that after
Speaker 3: all that success. It's kind of a rebuild or recalibrate
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know, when I first got into coach and somebody
Speaker 6: once told me, you always want to be the guy
Speaker 6: to replace the guy that was the guy, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, and I'm not saying I'm the guy by
Speaker 6: the way. You know, PIMA has put in place a
Speaker 6: system for the all athletic programs. And I'm sure you
Speaker 6: followed Steve. You know, well, I think every athletic team
Speaker 6: at PIMA is naturally ranked down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very good.
Speaker 6: You know, women's soccer naturally ranked. Both basketball is in
Speaker 6: the top ten. You know, track and field is a
Speaker 6: perennial top five ten, and you know softball had an
Speaker 6: unbelievable last year. And I don't want to put the
Speaker 6: pressure on Rebecca, but you know they're supposed to be
Speaker 6: even better this year, and they made a national tournament
Speaker 6: last year, and then of course, you know, kind of
Speaker 6: untalked about his Our new athletic director, a Ken hockem
Speaker 6: you who.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I'm watching the way he manages his teams and how
Speaker 6: he communicates and does everything, and that baseball program, you know,
Speaker 6: is set for big things. And it just shows you
Speaker 6: how hard for a junior college our conference is. You know,
Speaker 6: getting out of our conference in any sport is really difficult.
Speaker 6: Because Ken does a phenomenal job and he brings in,
Speaker 6: you know, all these players. I think he's got a
Speaker 6: couple of guys signed for the UVA already, you know,
Speaker 6: so he's got major talent. So at PIMA, the athletic program,
Speaker 6: it's been set up to be very successful, and I
Speaker 6: think it's probably I don't think it's gonna be that
Speaker 6: hard to replace me, to be honest. I think they'll
Speaker 6: find somebody. They do a good job, and there's a
Speaker 6: lot to sell at PEMA.
Speaker 5: A long way to go for that answer, guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So we're gonna take a break here and
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