Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Phray, I welcome Joey
back on with me. Actually he was on for episode
four ninety three and I titled that the White Chimp,
and we will put chimp in quotation marks, right, Joey.
On that episode we talked about some UFO stuff and
of course the white Chimp in the tree and I'm
using heavy air quotations there for the folks actually just
listening and not watching us. But welcome back Joey.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Shannon. It's it's a pleasure to
speak to you. It's been almost just over the years
actually since I spoke to you. Yeah, and a lot
happened since then.
Speaker 2: I am excited to hear about it because you sent
a message on actually it was in the group chat
on Patreon, I think it first, and I missed it
when you first sent it, and it was something about
and I kind of I don't want to. I only
know the broad strokes because you know how I like
to do things and be surprised about the details. But
you and we don't have to start here. But I'm
just letting people know the inception of this second conversation.
As you said, you saw something very large cross a
road somewhere. So and I think that we did discuss
where you are, but you don't have to give any
more specifics than the state. But you're in Maryland, right, correct,
in Maryland? And yeah, so I know there are a
few things that you want to cover, but I don't
know if we should start with that big thing crossing
the road or what.
Speaker 3: Now, because I know how you are, so I'm going
to leave that for last.
Speaker 2: All right, awesome high five.
Speaker 3: Actually, what I was going to start with is your
main topic that do you like so much? Is the
sasquatch stuff? Because of all people, and now you got
to remember, I've heard these stories forever, but I was
really actually paying attention to what my mom was saying,
and I'm like, why have I never Well, first of all,
who would I tell this stuff to? But my parents
actually growing up also had stuff happen to them with
what I personally was probably a sasquatch. So I'd like
to start there. Now, my parents, obviously, you know, they
they were basically poor in that sense. They grew up
basically just you know, like my granddad did farm work.
My dad did farm work. They were just simple people.
Not to be offensive or anything, but they were just simple,
normal people, right, And this was back in I'll start
with my mom. No, actually i'll start with my dad
actually because my mom's got more so my dad he
used to go work on the land. Basically. The way
they did it is they would like rent them a
piece of land and you would go out there take
care of it, and you know, put your crops out there,
and that's the sort of stuff. And what they had
to do at that point is they would give a
certain percentage to the landowner of what they made that
year or whatever. But a lot of people would just
build a little kind of a little shack. You know,
they're poor people. They were poor people, so they would
just build a little shack and stay out there taking
care of the crops. So they maybe come back one
or two days out of the week. Stuff like that,
normal stuff for them at that time. But what he
said is that a lot of their little shacks would
get slapped at night, and what does that sound like?
And I never put two and two together, but their
little shacks would get slapped at night. Sometimes their crops,
you know, would be eaten. But he said it wasn't
like the because they would stay out there to take
care of like the raccoons and stuff like that. But
he said it wasn't like a raccoon. It was like
it was just taken like somebody with hands actually would
just grab it and tickets and go off with And
he never saw anything, and he doesn't remember anybody that
you know. My dad's passed the way, so I can't
answer ask him any questions. But he said he never
heard of anybody else actually seeing anything either. But that's
just something that would happen to them all the time.
They said their little shacks would get slapped at night,
and was always at night, never during the day, and
they would all be missing some amount of crops during
their their season that they were doing that. The other
thing my dad has is, of all things, he used
to be a musician and he would also for extra
money go play at parties. And again, you know, just
simple people. So they would walk. He didn't have a car,
so they would walk from the parties back home and
all this other stuff. And he said there was this
one particular road and it was just a dirt road.
He said that went in between the little towns where
he lived at and what he would see oftentimes, and
he wasn't the only one, because other people told him
that they had seen the same thing. He would see
an orb and it would stay in front of him
and basically, you know, at a distance, but when he
got to a certain point, it would disappear, and then
he would walk past a certain place. I think it
was a tree that he said that it would always
disappear in that same tree, and then once he was
past it, he would look back and it would be
there again, and he you know, kept walking away from it.
But he said that that was one of the things
that they they saw constantly. It was the orbs that
they would see, and that particular one on that road.
Everybody knew it, so it was just like, okay, there
it is. It was a common thing for him at
that time. And again this is in the forties and fifties,
you know, so people were very different. Fact then it
was just a matter of fact, there's an orb there,
there's a light, whatever it is. But they didn't trouble
themselves with it. Like my dad was like, I just
I knew it was there. I would see it and
once I got there, it would disappear, and then it
would appear behind me. And those are the things. I'm like,
how you just accept something like that and say, oh,
well there is again and keep going. You know. Those
are the kind of experiences that he had with things
now that we talk about with the paranormal encryptids and
stuff like that. I mean, he did see other things,
but those are a different topic. So I'll tell you
about my mom. My mom has a little bit more
of an interesting history with that. My mother actually grew up.
I don't know how to because I saw one. I
saw where they lived at one point before it got
all developed, and there were a lot of woods. But
one of the things that people in their town would
say oftentimes is eventually, at once it got dark, there
was somebody that came through whistling in the back in
the woods. But people back then used to say, well,
it's a warlock, so it's time to go inside. And
then I'm like, wait a minute, what else always talks
about whistling at night, you know, And they said, because
I asked her, I that you know, she's still alarmed.
So I asked her, I said, did you guys ever
lose chickens? And she said, well, the neighbors used to
lose chickens. So what my dad did? You know? My
grandfather said, he built like a little house where the
door was facing the front of like the front of
their house, so it was like face or the back
of the house, I guess. So they the door faced
the chicken coop that they that he built, so the
door was right there and he would latch it, he said,
So we never lost any chickens, because after we started
losing chickens, that's when he built that. And we never
lost any chickens, he said. But the neighbors did actually
lose chickens, and I think one of her neighbors even
lost the pig. And so they would talk about this
guy that would come through the back whistling and they
always tell it to warlock. It's a warlock, you know,
just everybody go inside it. But that's you know, they
again not to offend anybody, but they were very simple,
and that thing and they never talked about what we
talk about nowadays again, and this is I think she
said at her age. I think it was in the
in the forties, early forties, probably when she was still
a kid. So then this is the one that really
made me think, you know what, I should probably tell somebody,
so at least it's recorded out there by the time
she was an older teenager in this I think was
probably the early fifties, late forties, early fifties. My mom
said that she had a friend, well a family friend,
that they were friends friends, But it was a little
and a lot of time what people would do back then,
because my mom was a nanny, so she would leave
her little her little town to go work for these people,
and she would be there all week and have like
Sunday off to come back and see her family. So
what happened was one of the neighbor's kids, he was
still little, and what they used to do a lot
of times was they would send the little kids out
with food for the dance that were working on the
fields and stuff like that, and that's what this kid
was doing on this particular day. He was going out
to bring his dad his lunch. So it was hot.
It was a hot lunch, and he said he heard
something coming through the woods and he could hear basically
like chains. There were chains that he could hear, you
know how that they make that sound when they move
around kind of. And so the kid got scared and
he hid in some shrubs and some bushes. And what
my mom said that the kid said was that what
he saw coming through the trail was a big hairy man.
And so I kept asking our questions, trying to get
as much as out of her as I could. And basically,
the kid, I think was about eight years old, so
you know how tall an eight year old is. He's
not that tall. So I asked, how did he ever
say how tall this thing was? And he said that
the kid said, basically, I was barely just past his
knee when he ran by me, because he said he
was literally like hiding next to the trail when this
thing ran by him. And he said it had chains
on its wrists. So that always puzzled me, because how
in the world would anybody put chains on something that large?
But you know that's only speculation. I again, you know me,
I'm just going to tell you what I've been told
in what my mom remembers about that. But I thought
that was really interesting because something that big and he
basically just called it a hairy man. And the reason
my mom found out about it is because they were
in her town. They were bathed all Catholics, so the
kid like started having all sorts of nightmares and couldn't
sleep and all that. So basically they asked if my
mom would take him to church to I don't know
what it's called, but take him to the priest so
the priest could help him. When when she was home
on that one day, and that's how she knows about it,
but she says, you know that the kid clearly wasn't
lying because whatever happened to him, it drastically traumatized him.
So you know that I thought I was that was
really interesting and personally to me, that sounds like a
lot of tales of the same thing that we have here.
And because now that I know more about the subject,
I even heard that it is in Central and South
America all over the place, you know, in Canada and
all over. So I thought that was really interesting and
figured i'd let you know and see what you think
about it.
Speaker 2: What where did your mom and your dad's experiences happen.
Speaker 3: Where they were originally from Guatemala.
Speaker 2: Okay, so all the all of that years ago you
just shared as Guatemala. Wow, that is so cool. Okay
the orb. Did anybody that your dad spoke to did
they feel because your dad seemed very which happens a lot,
like you said, some people are just like, oh, look
at that it is again like no big deal. Did
anybody have any feelings towards it emotionally scared? Happy? Did
they go look for it every day because it made
them happy? Anything like that?
Speaker 3: Now, people back then were just very different. It's like
there it was just a matter of fact. We all
know it's there, we've seen it, and you know, gets
out of the way when we get there. So nobody
worried about it. Yeah, they hadn't already gotten used to
whatever that was being there?
Speaker 2: Makes you wonder was it the tree, was that the
land the tree was on. Was there some kind of
a graveyard near there? Right?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What was going on in that area?
Speaker 3: My dad Actually I forgot about this part. My dad
actually had a story of when he was also young,
and he said that when it wouldn't rain, people would
go to basically a warlock and you know, basically pay
him for the rain to come. And he said that
the the dude would go off do his own thing whatever.
And then that night, he said, like out of the mountains,
because they lived in a kind of mountainous area. He said,
that night, out of the mountains, they would see like
a green orb just shoot across to the other side
of the mountain, and the next day it would rain.
I mean, there are so many things that are still unexplained.
But he said he told me that, and my dad,
you know, was a minister, so he wasn't gonna lie
to them. He said, I saw this. These people would
do that. I don't know what this guy did, but
at that night you would see a green orb shoot
from one mountain to the other, and the next day
it would rain.
Speaker 2: Wow, Joey, doesn't make you under like if if you
have a warlock that can make it rain, imagine a
ticked off warlock. That's something that you wouldn't want to
deal with, right, Like, I'll take the bigfoot over the
pistol warlock exactly. Oh man, Oh that's so cool. Yeah.
The second you said whistling, I was like, oh, and uh,
I just love hearing the beliefs of other people and
other cultures though, because then you said, but also, you know,
there's this whole warlock side to things too. My mind
immediately goes to bigfoot because that's what we're used to.
But you know, they always say also tricksters in the woods,
which can be a blanket statement for things too, right.
I guess some people could say a warlock could be
a trickster in a way because they have these powers
like don't don't tick them off or I don't know
if if that's how that works, right, if they would
use their magic and powers for nefarious things, I would
imagine that they maybe have in the past, but nothing
that you would want to tick off. So the big
hairy man and the chains on the wrist, my mind
immediately went to, well, stories here in the States of
black vehicles swooping in and you know, like after Mount
Saint Helens, maybe a sasquatch being airlifted off, you know
from the area you go. Was that the government that
you know, was able to capture that thing somehow and
it got loose, like, like you said, who in the
world got a hold of that thing? How did they
do that? And why.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That that always baffled me because especially back then,
I mean, you know, we didn't even have the the
currently designed weapons or firepower that is available now or
the technology. But then again we're told that, you know,
the governments have way more technology then we're aware of.
And one of the things that I do know about
that country is that the US government was very involved
in that country at those times. You know, if you
research it, you see that the government was the US
government in the military were already there at that time. So,
I mean, I can only speculate, but I mean we
hear stories about them capturing them here. Yeah, you know,
we're killing them here, So who knows. I mean, maybe
they've been at this longer than we actually know. But
I thought that was Ah, that was a very interesting story.
Speaker 2: Do you know what the regional name for Bigfoot or what?
There's several even in the United States, of course many
many because of the different tribes. But do you know
what one of the regional names where Bigfoot is in Guatemala?
I don't know off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I don't. I haven't really looked into it. Yeah,
down there, what they call them, but uh, that there
are people that claim that they've seen things down there. Yes,
I've heard other stories and other podcasts that do say,
you know, they've seen things in those areas and central
like I said, central South America, So it seems to
be a pattern. The other story, again, this is more
like a skin walker type thing, I think. But the
other story that my mom told me was that when
she was little, the men used to talk about a
bull that would run down the middle of the their
main street and the bull would actually try and steal
their chickens. Minu, this is the middle of the night.
I don't know any bulls to go out roaming around
at night, but they said this bull would try to
steal their chickens. And eventually the men of their little
town got together and actually waited for it one day
and she said, they want out, and they actually I
think her dad was there too, and they actually attacked
it with machetes and they cut it up pretty bad
and said it never came back. And they heard rumors.
Now again it's just what I've been told. They heard
rumors that in another town a man had gone to
the hospital with several lacerations and cuts. And you know,
she just told me these stories like, yeah, it's just
what happened. But nowadays I think about it, it's like,
you know, I think about the skin walkers and all
that other stuff that people talk about, and you know,
I know for a fact that which is in warlocks
are real. I know that they have actual powers. That
I'm too way, way too deep down the rabbit hole
to think that those things actually don't happen, you know,
And so I thought that that was something else. I
figured I'd let you know and see what you think
about that. I can't prove it, obviously, it's just what
I've been told.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I would love to and I'm sure you
would too, to be able to talk to those people
and go did they did they kind of know what
they were dealing with, because, like you said in the beginning,
it's not a normal mo of a bowl to go
out in the middle of the night down the street
and just looking for chickens, So, right, like, what does
a bowl want with chickens? Uh? So they probably had
a mind that that's what they were dealing with then, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean back then, the people didn't question the paranormal.
It was a part of their life. I think you know,
like they grew up talking about witches and warlocks, like
I said, so they already knew it, like if they
were going to a warlock for it ter rain, that
they were already it was already in that culture. And
if you really think about it, we're basically we're in
that area where descendants of the Mayans. And if you
look at the Mayans, they had all their gods, their
serpent flying gods and all this other stuff. I mean,
that was a culture that was very bloodthirsty, unfortunately, but
they had their deities that they made all these sacrifices too,
so that maybe that wasn't happening anymore. But that mindset
in that culture of the paranormal is still there, that
there are spirits, that there are still ways to interact
with the spiritual world in that sense, I guess I
could say, and.
Speaker 2: I know you're going to share more after or before
we're done here, but in your mind, because you've already
you've had Ufo sidings and you saw that the white
Chimp and all that, and he had other happenings around
your house that we talked about last time. But talking
about things like skin walkers and such, you know, because
you hear me ask all the time, Oh, what's an
experience that you would one half? You know, is that
do you think on your no list is something like
a skin walker?
Speaker 3: I would say everything's on my no list. But it's
still keep.
Speaker 2: Good answer. That's an honest answer. I like that that's
an honest answer because you have had things happen already. Right,
it's where you know not everything is just so amazing
and cool and you just can't wait to come on
into the ranch. Here it with Shannon. Some things are
like you know what, it's kind of freaky and I'd
like to sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're actually the first person that I'm talking
to this stuff about. I just wanted to bring it
to you because I like how you how you interview,
in the way you do your podcast. You're the first
person I've had actually speaking to you about any of
this stuff.
Speaker 2: Thanks Joey. That means a lot, it really does. Thank you.
Especially stories from your your parents and everything. I mean,
some people they and which is a beautiful thing, they
carry it with them, you know, through their lives and
its stories passed down and I really appreciate that. That
means a lot. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Welcome it's my pleasure. It's always it's always a pleasure
to speak with you and to hear your show. Now
I got another strange one for you here and now
this is my my uncle, my mom's brother. He unfortunately,
he had a drinking problem right and he would go
out late to the bars, come back home drunk. And
again there were really no cars back then that they
had access too. So he was just walking home one
day and he said, this big black dog started following him,
and he told obviously he said this to my mom
before he passed, but he said, eventually the he got
annoyed with the dog and he started trying to hit
the dog and kick him. And he said that at
that point the dog growled at him, so he kept
walking because it was a pretty big dog. But he said,
all the way back to the house, he felt like
he was being hit in the back or whipped by
a belt or something. But he said he felt like
he was being whipped all the way back to the
house and that really scared him. And to touch on
that a little bit more, he kind of had his
own little shack and my grandfather's property were where he was.
He had built for himself and My mom told me
that my grandfather, when he went out one time to
go use the facilities, saw a big black dog with
glowing red eyes sitting or laying down in front of
my uncle's little shack, and he said, my dad, my
grandfather did his business, he said, and went back in
because he wasn't having any part of them. But, uh,
that's something else that's in my mom's family. My other uncle,
because I have two, My other uncle also said that
he had a dog walk him all the way home
one time. But he said that dog was friendly, so
he thought, you know what, maybe it's just a stray
dog or something. So he before he went in the
house to the property because they had the gate there,
he said he turned around because he was going to
invite the dog in because he walked with him all
the way home, and it was late at night. He
was coming from a friend's house. He was going to
invite the dog in, but he said, as soon as
he turned around, the dog wasn't there anymore. And he
thinks that it was a spirit that just walked him
home to make sure that he was okay. So whoa,
there's two more things that add.
Speaker 2: There, do you think? And this might begin just so
far down a rabbit hole, but I guess that's what
we do, right, joy Is. I mean you mentioned that
your mom's brother, your uncle, was a heavy drinker. Do
you think that there's any chance that this dog with
glowing red eyes and then he felt, you know, whipped
on his back, that it's some kind of physical manifestations
of his own demons that he was battling at the time.
Speaker 3: Well, in that area in it basically in the Hispanic culture,
they have what they call it Cardjo. I don't know
if you've ever heard of that, but it's victorious in
that culture about a big black dog with red eyes
because a lot of people have seen it, a lot
of people have experienced it. That's what they attributed to.
It wasn't necessarily his demons or anything, but that is
a very known entity in that culture that represents itself
as a big black dog with glowing red eyes, and
it usually hangs out with the drunks and the people
that aren't so nice basically, and that's how it's been
seen in the culture.
Speaker 2: So just attracted to darkness, the darkness and people. Yes,
Ken Daho, that's cool. See, I learned something every time
I talk to folks that is. Yeah, that's not something
that you want to see on your walk home. No
matter what.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of dogs, but not that one.
Speaker 2: No, not at all, No thing that's on the no list.
I can definitely agree with you on that one. Yeah,
pissed off warlocks and the ken Dajo. No thanks.
Speaker 3: Now, I'll tell you one about my brother when he
was little. And he's almost sixty so like he was little.
You can do the math. It was way back then too.
My brother actually, uh, I think he was like five
or six. I think my mom said he was playing
in their backyard one time and was getting close to
the evening, so my mom's going to have him come in,
and before as she was going out the door, he
was already running back in the door, he said, because
he said he saw a little guy smaller than him
that came out and waved to him and waved to
him to follow him. Then he turned around and ran
through the fence, not around over or anything. Said, he
went through the fence. So my mom asked him, what
what did he look like?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And my brother barely recalls it because he was little too,
but he's said it basically looked like a gnome. It
had even the same little pointy hat and everything. And
that's one of the first experiences that my brother ever
had that he's willing to admit.
Speaker 2: So you think there's there's others in there that he
hasn't even told anybody about.
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, definitely. He's he's not as comfortable as I
am now. Just like like I told you before, I'm
almost fifty. I don't care what people think about me.
I just openly admitted, and I there is a whole
world around us that people don't talk about.
Speaker 2: But he.
Speaker 3: He was whistled at. He he also did a lot
of hiking and mountain biking in the through the mountains
and trails that I also use. He said he got
whistled at before. But he just leaves it at that,
like he doesn't pursue anything. He just said, yeah, something
whistled at me, and I just ignored it and kept
going okay, well okay then. And but for him it's
just a statement. He he doesn't pursue it any further.
It's just that's what happened. He leaves it there, you know.
But what whistles at you in the woods when nobody
else is around. That's the thing, because I don't know
any birds. Mocking birds can obviously, But but if it's
enough for him to remember and tell me, then I
don't think it was just a mocking bird, all right.
You know that those are the kind of experiences he's had,
and I don't think he'll ever admit it for real.
Speaker 2: Of course, a lot of people would probably say that
him not going and investigating these whistles is exactly what
you are supposed to do. You are not supposed to
go towards the whistles, right because then there the story
is you won't come back exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what appolicia says. You can keep your whistles
over there.
Speaker 2: You can whistle all day, Dixie. I'm not going over
there yet, that's what they say anyway. But I don't know.
I don't know how I would react if I heard
a whistle in the woods, because at this point, I
think I'm just so I've had my experiences. Everybody knows.
Don't need to go over those again, my few experiences.
But part of me goes, gosh, I've been bored for
a while, Like do I need to go and you know,
hunt down the whistle. Maybe I do, let's have another
confirmation experience, but the folklore and the legend say you
don't ever do that.
Speaker 3: And you know, those are the things that I think
about sometimes because honestly, I don't I'll be honest with you.
I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't even hunt anymore.
And when I go fishing, I don't go fishing into
those remote areas where I knew I had my little
perfect spot to fish, where you know, I go to
like the public areas close to people. I don't go
that deep into the woods anymore. And it's not it's
not necessarily that I'm afraid afraid. It's I just don't
want to deal with it. I don't want to. I
don't know why I keep having experiences. You know, I
do have my faith, you know, I have my faith,
and so I'm not necessarily scared of it. But it's like,
why does it keep happening we I've talked to some
people before, and it's like, is it like you get
marked or something like they know you? And it just
keeps happening to the same person over and over again.
Because before when people used to talk about well seeing
this and that and whatever. Then you start to get
to the point where it's like, Okay, somebody's lying here
or something, but it's not really like that. And the
more people you talk to you realize, like when something
starts happening to your childhood, it just continues. It seems
to continue your basically your whole life. And I don't
know what triggers at or why that happens. As a
matter of fact, I'll get into some of my own stuff.
I'll start here last year because basically some of this
stuff is from last year. I don't remember if I
told you or not, but I go up to northeastern
part of Maryland to help my sister take care of
my mom, not if I ever told you that or not,
but that's where this stuff happened. And she gave me
the spare bedroom she had in the on the first floor,
so I was sleeping basically on the ground level. I
had I had a house slap, and mind you, it's
not like we're in the middle of nowhere, but I
got woken up and I heard two more slaps, So
I would imagine the first laps the one that woke
me up, and then there was two more slaps but
what gets me it's the way the bed was facing,
and I had it up next to the window. My
head would have been like in the corner of the room,
and that's exactly what happened. And the you know, the
blinds are drawn everything else, How does it know where
my head is? Whatever? Again, I don't know what it
was owned but it was definitely a slap on the
side of the house three times. I never went out
there to look for footprints or anything, because, like you said,
I just I just ignore it. Now, I just ignore it,
and I'm like whatever, whatever. I honestly, I just got up.
I started praying and went right back to bed. But
it woke me up. And it was right around three
in the morning when those things seemed to happen. For
whatever reason, they happened. So who knows what that was.
Speaker 2: Where's the window in relation to the bed? Is it
across from or is it right next to?
Speaker 3: There would have been there's a window where I was
at that would have been like at my feet, and
there was a window to the right of me that
was in the middle of the room. But I was
in the corner of the room. So I don't see
how anything would have seen me from the outside in
because all the lights were off the graves and the
blinds are on. So I don't see if somebody could
have anything could have seen me, but they knew where
my head was because it was literally at that very
corner where my head was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly seems like something. Well obviously it watches
the house at the very least. How long had you
been there helping and staying before this incident happened.
Speaker 3: It's truthfully, it's been maybe a couple of years. I
don't think I told you that when I first talked
to you, But.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I'm sorry, Joey. I meant, like, what once
you decided that you were going to go help your
mom out and you were staying there? Was that the
first night? Was that a week after you had been there?
Speaker 3: No, I, like I said, I've been there a while
because I don't stay there all the time. I just
I go back and forth between my you know, home,
and I usually go up there, try to go up
there two to three days out of the week. And
it just happened to be on one of those days.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you had already been there before and stayed
in that very room. Yeah, somebody is definitely something, not somebody,
probably something is definitely watching the house. I mean, maybe
maybe they're coming up during the day and peeking in
and seeing where do they know what a bed is?
Maybe I don't know, and then when the lights go
out they kind of realize, Oh, now it's time to
mess with the hairless things. I mean, I'm assuming, I'm
just my mind goes to bigfoot and I need to
probably stop that. Who knows what it was, But like
you said, also, it's usually around the witching hour.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this one thing though, that and
I don't know if this has any correlation with that
or not. But one of the things that I've introduced
to my sister is the whole topic of bigfoot, and
she has actually started listening to podcasts, one of them
being yours that I recommend it, and it's a whole
new thing for her. But she's starting to get into
it and actually starting to believe. Now, does that have
anything to do with it? I don't know. Like I
told you before, I don't think it's just flesh and blood.
I think there's a lot more to it than that.
But she's opened her mind to it a lot more
because of other paranormal stuff that we've talked about before
with her. So now she's like, Okay, well, if this
stuff can happen, then maybe this stuff is actually there too.
So who knows some of that.
Speaker 2: Joey does not mean that has she brought up any
incidences at Mom's house that she goes, oh, well, now
that I've been listening to some of these podcasts and
some other people's experiences, she kind of connected the dots
to worst. Well, maybe there is some bigfoot around here.
Speaker 3: She lives basically right down the street from where my
brother in law had that incident hunting that I told
you about that he was chased out of the woods.
So you know, now she's got a lot more infos
so she's starting to put two and two together in
that particular area. There's a lot of reports of dogmen
of all things also not too far from there. So
now that she's opening her eyes or her mind whatever
to this and the possibilities that these things may be around,
she went as far is I do electrical work, and
I had put up all these motion lights up around
the house for her that she wanted, you know, that
are activated with the motion. But after a certain amount
of time they time out and you've got to basically
move around for them to come back on. So she
had me change all those lights out to the regular
switch ones that turn on when you turn them on
and they stay on completely until you turn the switch off.
She's like, no, I'm done with motion lights, get rid of.
I won't rent that that won't turn off till I
come back in the house.
Speaker 2: Well, and she's gotten it's probably both sides of the
coin for that light because it's nice to have them
on all the time. Plus if you're in the house
and it's completely dark in the house and then it
goes on, then you know that something's right, Like you're
alerted the fact there's something out there big enough to
put the lights on, so you're like, dang it.
Speaker 3: So I get that.
Speaker 2: I can understand that she's like, just I want them
on all the time, and I want to be able
to activate them from inside the house.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely can understand that.
Speaker 2: It is creepy though, listening to other people's experiences and
then you are actually in a place where those kinds
of things could happen or have happened, you know, historically
or via other people's reports. Right, I don't expect a
bigfoot to come slap my house here. But if I
was in another another place, another state, then you go
to bed listening to a podcast like that, it gets
in your head. So yeah, I can understand that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, it's like here at night, you
know where I live. Personally, we've had I told you
about those issues, but you know, normally you think about
what do I worry about on my normal dates running
into a black bear, especially now with spring, with females
with cubs, that's what I worry about. That's what I
worry about. My kid walking to the bus stop, you know. Yeah,
but uh, these are these things are around, you know
that here where I'm at, specifically in Frederick, there were
in the seventies, there were a lot of reports of
as it was starting to be developed, there were a
lot of reports of dogmen as well, which doesn't necessarily
put the woman fuzzies in.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it does not. They're always ticked off.
They're like the ticked off warlocks that you don't want
to mess with.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. I will tell you this, and I I
apologize because I've been really busy with work, and I've
been meaning to send you a video that I took
on my phone and my sister also took on her
phone of a ton of lights going overhead. This is
what prompted me to reach out to you. Among these
last things that happened last year, my sister called me.
I was at work. She called me and she's like,
can you look at the sky? I'm like, I was
already in Washington, DC. I'm like, I'm not going to
see anything because it's you know, tall buildings, bright lights everywhere.
So I'm like, I'm not going to see anything, and
I got to go into work. She's like, you will
not believe me, but there are hundreds, if not thousands,
of lights going overhead. So I'm like, what is it.
It's like planes. She's like, no, it's these little, tiny lights.
At first I thought that they were satellites because she
had gone out to let the dog peek. So it
was like four point thirty in the morning. That's when
she called me and she's like, we're recording all these
lights going overhead, but my phone can't really catch them
because they look like stars. But they just keep going,
and some of them are even in formation. Some are brighter,
some are or dimmer. And you know, when I the
next time I was up there to see her, I
really talked to her, and she said, and then this
triangle went by with like one light at each corner.
So but I thought that was a plane because I
actually saw lights on it, so I didn't. I'm like,
that's the one thing. You don't record and record all
the other lights, but when triangle that just flew over,
you thought it was a plane and you don't record that.
She's like, yeah, I was. I thought it was a
plane because I was looking at all these other lights.
She's like, I thought it was like a UFO invasion
or something, because she said they weren't. They weren't planes.
And since I was there that, you know, I think
it was that happened one day. That same day I
went up there to help with my mom. So it
was that it would be the next night, Yes, it
would be the next night. I went outside, same thing,
let the dog do its business, her dog, and I
actually recorded some not as many, but they were still
coming over. I don't know what you call it stragglers
or what, but I had no idea what that was.
And I looked into to see if there were any
reports of anybody else seeing lights that night, and I
can't find anything. I can't find anything. Nobody's addressed anything.
But it's like, I know where we live, so close
to DC that there's no way that there's that many
flying objects that wouldn't scramble fighter jets unless they know
what it is. So I don't know what that was.
It's definitely not a meteor shower. Definitely wasn't that what
do they call it? That thing they have up in space?
The station thing. Definitely wasn't that. Because they make maneuvers
that you shouldn't be able to make, and they can
almost just disappear. I will, I promise you, I will
send you the video this week, and so you can
see that I'm not lying about this because I recorded it,
my sister recorded it, and I have no idea what
these things are, but it's really unusual.
Speaker 2: No, And in fact, if you send me the video,
and if it's okay with you, I can ask you
right now if I can cut it in while you're describing,
I can cut it in later into the video, absolutely okay,
And that's no pressure to do that, of course, But
if if if I if you know how I am.
If people mentioned picks and videos, I like to bring
it up if it's shareable or not.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I can I apologize. I've just been business so busy.
Speaker 2: With work that is totally fine. So I'm sure you
would have said this if this was the case, But
I feel like I should ask because people might have
the same question. Is this didn't happen to occur around
when that whole drone invasion thing was going down.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, we've We've definitely seen the I've seen a
whole bunch of drones. I've recorded the drones too. But
you know, the drones have the flashing lights. That's that's
the difference. These look like stars, just little specs of
light flying over and doing things that they shouldn't be doing.
But like I said, i'll send you to videos. I
got no problem. But they're definitely not drones unless it's
a different type of drone maybe, but right, how I've
seen it go ahead, I've seen it when the when
the drones were flying over, I mean it was like
tons of them also, but they all have the flashing lights. Yeah,
and where my sister lives, she's not too far from
bwy so I don't see why an airport wouldn't have
an issue with all these things flying over because you've
got planes like coming in and going out. You would
think that there would be an issue with air traffic.
But you don't see anything about it in the news.
Nobody heard anything. I haven't seen anything else about it.
But we have it on our phones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that strange even if? Okay, so with forget
about the drone side of things for a moment. So
this video that you took and the lights that you
and your sister saw, these were at the very least
cruising altitude of regular commercial aircraft, if not much further.
Right that none of them seemed to come close. They
all seem to be quite out of our distance, correct, Yeah,
Because even in that case, you would think that at
least one other person or many more people would have
seen such a thing. If there's that many, that is
very strange. It's almost like it was just meant for
you guys.
Speaker 3: It There might be I just you know, I have
limited resources. There might be I just haven't found anything
because I kind of searched through Instagram for that sort
of stuff Google. But you know, and again I apologize
I should have the dates because it should be dated
on the date with the video I took. So I'll
give you all that information. I mean, you're more than welcome.
Will look it up yourself and see if you can
find any reports on it. I'd be interested. You let
me know if you do find something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we could. And then, especially once I splice
it into the video and people hear this episode, eventually
maybe they can help out too. Or maybe someone will
come forward and go, oh, I have a video too,
or I saw those too, that would be even better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you exactly where it was. It was
in Edgewood, Maryland. That's where my sister lives, Edgewood, Maryland.
So if anybody has anything about that, I'll I don't
like have the date off the top of my head,
but this is with recent It was probably within the
last month.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, Oh that yeah, that's that's great. I mean,
you just never know. I always say you never know
who's listening. I mean, look what happened with my chat
with David right with the with the tooth or the
tooth the finger possible fingerbone right. I mean that's kind
of all information on Patreon We're going to kind of
have a little powout about that eventually, because it is
getting tested. That bone that David talked about is getting tested,
So that's pretty exciting for at an actual university. So
Darby orcut is going to be testing that, and I
you know, it's it may very well more than likely
come back something very normal, but the point of it
is at least trying right and it's interesting no matter what,
it'll be cool to have it tested and see what happens.
So that's why I always call it going fishing because
as we're bringing up with these UFOs, maybe someone in
the area of Edgewood, Maryland also saw them and also
maybe even videotape them. Who knows.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I mean, you know, we all see things,
and we a lot of times we just keep it
to ourselves and we don't ever say anything about it.
But who knows. It could be tons of people that
actually saw this. And you know, my sister actually she
even called nine one one she did, so there's a
record of that too. She called the police and said, hey,
you guys, aware of all the lights going overhead? What's
going on? And they just told her, oh, it's probably
just playing some worry about it something like that. They
basically dismissed it, but she did actually legitimately called nine
one one. I just remember that.
Speaker 2: That is. Yeah, that's cool, I mean, and that she's
You guys are very proactive, which most people are not.
So huge. Hi five to both of you for that.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I mean, you know, like you said, probably
a lot of people saw that. But also though, when
you're in this space, you know thing about mofon and
New Fork, and you know the websites to go to
or if you want to report or cross reference or
see if somebody else reported it. But if you're not
in this space, you're you're like, would you call you
call me a move? Would you call me you know,
they wouldn't know moufan a. They think you're a curse
an atam or something. So and that's not their fault, right, So,
I mean, of course it's a little bit easier I
think with UFOs because they're they're they're back in the
spotlight your big time and getting congressional hearings and things. Now,
nothing has really come out of that really that much.
But uh, the big D word is no closer than
it was uh, name your number of years ago. But anyhow, Yeah,
very cool that you guys are. Are that proactive?
Speaker 3: All right? So that happened recently. Now. The last thing
that I've said for you is interesting, you know me,
I'm not gonna tell you what I saw. People can
speculate on this, but I personally don't know what I
saw except exactly what I saw. Now. One of the
things I rarely ever share is I was in the military.
I have specific training in a certain role said that
required me to be very attentive to details, to be
able to see something and you know, like we literally
trained for this, to see something where it quickly remember
everything you can about it, and your eye just naturally
catches eye movement. So I was on a late shift
at work, so it was three in the afternoon, was
broad daylight on a sunny day. I'm leaving my sister's
house because that's where I had been, and that's why
I told you about this place. In As I'm getting
ready to make a right turn out of her development
down the street, the street to the left curves probably
about one hundred meters down, two hundred and fifty meters
down more maybe too Somewhere around there it curves.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: What I saw was a canine that was gone across
the road. Where that canine was crossing is basically like
fifty sixty feet of woods on both sides, where we've
seen a lot of You can see that there's a
deer trail through there, so they use it to move
through the area. Now, watching a dog cross the road
really isn't anything to think about, but it's stuck in
my head. It's stuck in my head so much that
I went back and I measured the road twenty feet
across right twenty basically, And what's stuck with me is
that the dog I didn't see. I never saw the head.
I saw it from the shoulders back, but it was
taking up almost half the lane. So the roads twenty feet,
half the lane is ten feet, and this dog's taking
up without the head, not including the tail, the body's
taken up almost half the lane. So because of that,
I went home. I measured my dog. He's one hundred
pounds German Shepherd, big dog, tall big. He's only twenty
four inches at the shoulder without his head. From his
shoulders to his rear, he's only thirty inches. But if
you look at him. That's a big, intimidating dog. That
dog dwarfed him. That dog was easily twice his size
as far as the body goes. And the tail, he
had it out and it was kind of bushy. And
the reason I started to really think about it and
click on it is because I had heard somebody. I
actually talked to somebody that claims that they saw a
dogmen and she's only like maybe fifteen miles from here,
a white dogmen. But her description of the tail when
I heard it, made me reach out to her because
the description of the tail that she gave was spot
on with the tail that I saw. Now, the thing
that I saw was brown, it wasn't white, but the
tail was the same thing like it started with short
hairs that you know, close to the body, and then
it just got really shaggy towards the end of it
and there was a long tail. I don't know what
I saw, and this was late late summer of last year,
twenty twenty five, but all I can say is that
was an unusually, very very large dog. Because I can't estimate,
you know, I can estimate, but you know, I've even
looked at some of the wolves the northern wolves that
are like I think, with from the tip of the
nose to whatever, they're like seven feet long and all
that stuff. But without the head and the tail from
the shoulder to the rear. This dog was easily I
would put it six seven feet and the height it
was clearly at least, like I said, at least twice
my dog, if not more, because I was far away
and I've worked with dogs, is you know for so
long that I know how small my dog should look
at that dist And my dog's not going to take
up half of a traffic late, you know, He'll be
like taking up a third or one traffic lane or something,
not the whole half. So that's the other one I
wanted to tell you. I don't know what I saw.
People can speculate on.
Speaker 2: So the tail would actually look kind of similar to
one of your dog's tails, and kind of like a
German shepherd. Maybe bushier, but it's quite similar, right, Yes, yes,
and you might have been too far for this, but
you know when you talk about dog man, they seem
about as comfortable on all fours as they are being
bipit by pedro. Did you notice anything about the back
leg that you could see to where you thought, oh,
that's a weird joint. It could probably stand up. You
might have been too far.
Speaker 3: No, I mean if you looked at it, it was
literally just a canine trotting across the road, and I
just happened to catch it. Now, I will tell you,
I actually, instead of going right where I was gone,
I did turn left to see if I could catch
another glimpse of it. But by the time I got there,
there was nothing there.
Speaker 2: Do you wish you would have seen the head?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been curious about that ever since. I
really do. I wish I would have seen the whole thing.
I wish it would have been. It would because I
was in the car so I could have threw it away,
But honestly, I wish I could have seen the whole
thing and seen exactly what it was, because it's it's
been stuck in my head now for a while. You know,
I'm not the kind of person that's I've seen bears
crossing the road before, I've seen bears on the ring
cameras in the nameighborhood. It doesn't stick in my head,
you know, It's like it's a bear who cares. It's
not here now, But that thing, I keep going back
to it, and I keep thinking, what was that? Because
I know that it it's a canine, whatever kind of canine,
but it was just unusually large. And I don't know
what to make of that, because dogs they're not that big.
They're not built to be that big.
Speaker 2: Some people describe a back and shoulders almost hyena like,
like there was a there's a hump to it and
then it tapers down. Is that what it did?
Speaker 3: I know that the the shoulders were it slanted. I
won't say necessarily like a haena, but it did slant,
but I won't say it was like a hyena. It
was brown and it was furry. It looked more like
a dog. Really. You could almost say almost like a
German shepherd, like.
Speaker 2: If somebody took your dog and times it by four
or whatever. Yeah, okay, yeah, so that looked like that.
Is it super muscular or just I mean, it was
just regular proportions, just more of it, just big, just big.
Speaker 3: Just big. You know, I'm not gonna lie to you
and tell you that I saw the huge biceps.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just a huge kenine. And
I've seen the dog because you know, people do have
dogs around there around here. I've seen the dogs in
the neighborhood. I know what the dogs are. That and
the fact that it was crossing world that deer cross
as well in that trail. You know, I don't think
it was a domestic house pet that got out or something.
It looked like an animal that had purpose and it
was going somewhere and that's what it is doing.
Speaker 2: Well, Joey, someone obviously has a dire wolf from Game
of Thrones. Lucky them, except it got out. Not lucky
for you guys. Okay. So the other thing though about
this is this woman who saw one that is that
is white, she saw one too. So there are reports
in the area. Have you come across anymore? And now
I am done to do another look see on this
as well. I should talk to Aaron. I'm gonna talk
to Aaron and go, hey, how about that Maryland area, buddy?
Let me know, Well, they have this.
Speaker 3: Place, Oh my gosh, what is that. There's a place
just south of here that's called, oh my goodness, the
name evades me Potasco Potasco At State Park, and there's
a lot of reports of people hearing howlers there to
the point, how to the point where there is something
that people call the Potascal Howler.
Speaker 2: I believe that sounds formiliar.
Speaker 3: And like I said, up here around because we're literally
down the street from the well, not where I'm at
right now at home, but she's literally right down the
road from the Patuxan River. In that area of the
Potasco has a lot of has had a lot of
reports of dogwin being seen there.
Speaker 2: Would you.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: I love my hypotheticals, you know that. So say you
did still hunt or you went fishing and you saw
that thing, except it was really really close. Now you
can your mind can put whatever head you want on it.
Either way, it's not going to be nice because it's
just too damn close. I mean, that wouldn't be a
good thing, right, It would be so big, especially because
you know, like you said, if your dog was right
where it was and as far back as you were,
you know how big that thing is because of that,
because you have large dogs. I always put people in
this position, and you're not gonna have a perfect answer,
but you know, if you were still hunting, you have
a gun with you that can take down a deer.
And now whatever you're hunting for Would you be in
trouble if you were close to that thing, no matter
what kind of gun you had.
Speaker 3: Yes, because I don't believe that these things are simply
flesh and blood. I believe that they have more of
an attachment to the spiritual world. So if it's just
the gun, I would probably think yes. But I have
two because I'm also spiritual. I got faith. So in
that sense, I'm covered one way. I'm not telling you
that it's a and it's scary. Yeah, I'm covered. I'm
covered one way or the other. Now I had a
lapooa three thirty eight, maybe I could think, Okay, I
can put one right through the eye and then we'll
talk about it. But if I don't, then.
Speaker 2: You're like, give me the fifty cow. Maybe we will
be all right. Still wouldn't sleep. But yeah, like you said,
I mean the mental damage after something like that. Uh okay,
So here's a here's another weird question, another weird hypothetical,
because I'm right there with you, you know, especially something
like dog Man, there's just it it's just not it's
just not this flesh and blood thing. It's just not
I'm sorry. Uh, if someone else was either uh, in
front of you in another car, or maybe there's a
friend of yours in the passenger seat. Do you think
that there's a possibility that you still would have been
the only one to see it?
Speaker 3: Probably because I know that these things are out there.
I'm always looking. In the training that I've had doesn't
just go to sleep. It's still there. So like in
the mornings when I do go to her place, or
actually even here in my house, when when I leave
in the mornings and it's pitched black, I'm always looking.
I'm always looking because I live in the mountains too,
so I'm always looking to see what I'm going to see,
not only because it's a deer might cross the road,
but it's a horrible insight. But I know what's out
in the woods now. And you know, like I said,
I didn't stop hunting for no reason. I just I
don't get comfortable anymore deep down in the woods. It's
just I guess it's not necess say that I'm scared scared.
It's just I just don't want to see them whatever,
whatever they are, whatever it is, I just don't want
to see it.
Speaker 2: Is there some part of you that's a little sad
or disappointed that you got to that point where you
don't go hunting and fishing anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think that it took away something from me.
You know. Now, when my wife and my kid tell
me they want to go camping, I'm like, Okay, let's
find the most public area to go camping. You know,
it's no longer let's go deep down in the mountains
by the freshest creek in the middle of nowhere. It's like, Okay,
where's the nearest camp site that you know it's going
to have a ton of people with little kids and
dogs and everything. Let's let's go camp there. I lost,
I lost some of it.
Speaker 2: I think, well, and that of course ties into you
wanting to protect your family. Like you've mentioned the gnome,
it doesn't have to be a big scary creature with
fangs for it to have a traumatic impact on somebody.
You know, say you did take your family camping. And
I always go back to this story from John Wilson.
I know you're gonna remember it because I bring it
up quite frequently. But the gentleman that was camping by himself,
and he was reading a book, and he kept like
hearing things outside the camp site, and he had gone
to sleep and you know, was fell asleep reading, which
we all do, and the book is just you know,
and he woke up and saw the damn gnome with
the book in his hand off on a log somewhere,
you know, the next morning, which meant that the dang
thing walked all the way over and grabbed his book
right by us. You know what I mean, Like, you
don't want your child to have an experience like that, right,
or a hand pushing in an a tent or whatever.
There's a million different scenarios. So I definitely that we
understand that. And Okay, so last question, I think, maybe
did you ever go down and walk that deer trail
that you saw this massive creature trajanal on down?
Speaker 3: Nope? I did not. I did not because I realized,
you know, and I heard a lot and talked to
some other people about stuff like that. It's like these
things walk around with impunity, like they don't care if
they're actually seen. Unlike Sasquad, it seems to try to
remain hidden. These things seemed just and they're reported even
in cities. It's like, how how are you in the city,
what are you living off of? What? Are you doing here?
But so I'm like, nope, as you like to say,
that's a big bag of note for me, you know
saw it. I'm going to leave you right there, yeah,
because the last thing I want is to go after
these things. And you know what a lot of people
say is, once you start looking at the dark, dark
gonna look back at you. It's like, I know you're there,
You're in your space. I'm in my space. I'll give
you your space. Stay over there, because I don't need
you come in following me and next thing, I know,
like I like to tease my sister, and next thing
you know, you're gonna have some big, huge dog kad
looking at you over the fence. I don't I don't
need that. I wouldn't need that. I'm gonna leave well
up alone. I told you that before.
Speaker 2: Nope, I remember long ago. I think it was the
far too close episode. I know I won't remember the
number like usual. But you know, when he woke up
and there's the the canine dog man whatever you want
to say, looking in his window, You're like, nope. Also,
though close your blinds and curtains, people, what it's dark outside.
You're in a fish bowl. You know these things like
to watch enough as it is close your blinds, it's
not a good thing. Yeah, okay, so all right, I lied.
One more is it was in fact just walking normally. Uh,
it wasn't trying to be fast like. That's probably why
you brought up the fact that it just does not
care Like here I am, I'm crossing the road, No
big deal. Nothing weird about the gate though, just yeah.
Speaker 3: No, just an actual canine looking thing. It wasn't. There
wasn't anything unusual about it except the extreme size.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is a pretty cool sighting. Though
You're like, okay, Shannon, Sureance you try it sometime. You
know what, though, You're right because like I said earlier,
I live where I live. I'm not probably going to
see something like that in all honesty, Uh, as much
as I say i'd like to. But if I lived
out in the sticks or go to my mom's house
and it's in this place where the house is getting
smacked and there's you know, thousands of UF all this
stuff's going on, I can understand your side too. You're like, eh,
I've had quite a bit already. I'm good.
Speaker 3: It's not so comfortable to know these things that are
out there in the woods. You know, it just it
takes something away from it for me at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: It is what it is. Right.
Speaker 2: Do you think that I'm sorry, go ahead, Joey.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're go ahead.
Speaker 2: Do you think you could ever get back to a
place where you would go hunting and fishing? Or I
mean the band aid's ripped off, the veil has been lifted.
You are you? You know what you know, and you
saw you saw over all these years. So it's just
too late. No genie back in the bottle for you, believe.
Speaker 3: It or not. That's my goal this year is to
get back into fishing. I even bought a kayak so
I can go out.
Speaker 2: On a little lake so nice. They have to put
effort in to get to you exactly. Well, let's not
talk about swimming sasquatch then, No, just kidding, but really though, Yeah,
do you remember that old school story that like Will
Jevining used to talk about is the I think it
was the like a red, red haired sasquatch that swam
under the guy's kayak, can you say, or a boat?
And he said, what the hell is this? That is
so much? No, right, there. There's something so and I
think I told you this when we very first spoke,
because your whole you know, chimp air quotes chimp in
the tree, and I said something about, you know, when
you take no matter what size it is, I know that.
You know we're talking about bigfoot and orangutans and monkeys,
and yeah, they go in trees. But then when you
get to something massive or a bigfoot, or put them
in a tree, put them in the water. That's just
there's something just so so off about that to me
because but also because bigfoot researchers are so like, where's
the tracks, where's the hair on this tree? Down? You
know this part of the tree where they're rubbing their hair.
You don't think to look up. I mean imagine looking
up and seeing something that large just hanging out ready
to harry and the Henderson's jump out of the tree.
Speaker 3: Ed.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's just something so weird about that
to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see the thing around we're here and it's
not just the Pacific Northwest, it's here. The bushes they
get so thick too. I mean you've got like a
little trail that you're walking down half the time, and
everything around you. It's like a green wall that you
can't see through. So there could very well be something
there right there next to you, and you can't even
see it because the shrubbery is so thick, the vegetation
is so thick, you know. Yeah, I'll stick to the
public areas now.
Speaker 2: That makes me happy to hear that, though, Joey, that
you'll get back probably into fishing, and you got the
kayak and you're ready to go, like the thinking I
was right there with you. You're like, well, if I'm
in the middle of the water, they have to put
a little bit more effort in if they're gonna come
get me. So that's good that No, honestly though, I
joke around, but that's good to hear that you're gonna
get back into that.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And everyone by now should know if something whistles
at you, okay, unless it's you're in the middle of
the city and it's a dog call, just don't go
into the woods towards the whistles. You all know by now,
that isn't not what you do. So your brother's right,
at least he didn't go h He's like nope, nope,
he's doing the dumb and dumber Jim.
Speaker 3: Very pretty much. I'm going one way and that's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, piece it out of here. Man. Oh another weird thing.
But Joey, thank you so much for coming back on.
And not that I want you to have another collection
another year from now. Right, as much as I'm sure
that you just love to talk to me, you probably
want things to chill the heck out right.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not always fun being in this spot and
you have to wonder sometimes why it happens, but it happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, if I do have anything else interesting, I will
let you know.
Speaker 2: I think that you will, and I do appreciate you
being willing to come back on and share all of
it and came me updated. What's going on with the
kayak time? Will you over on Patreon? I want to
hear about all that stuff going on with you.
Speaker 3: We'll do, and I promise I will send you the
pictures either, if not tonight tomorrow morning, I'll send you
the videos and the stuff about excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for anybody that's just listening on the podcast side,
of course, it's ad free and everything on Patreon. But
if you want to see the video that Joey is
talking about I cut it into the video before I'll
air it over on my into the fray on YouTube.
I still am airing the videos over there. I think
it's from like five point thirty one forward or all
video episodes. So well, Joey, have a great day out there.
Keep the house slappers at bay. Huh.
Speaker 3: Thanks, you have a good one out there too. Well.
Speaker 1: I'm so so.
Speaker 4: I was given the snake by my parents.
Speaker 3: My business I under college. I've done these things in
my profession. I producing Little Black says, forget.
Speaker 4: It, that's something your story, that's all gone, that's all possible.
And I want to see the Amelia when nobody knows
who that is, because we don't know except for a
thing to Arenas and consulting our memorials. But then that's
a really and that again, it's as fascinating to this question.
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 3: That does not mean.
Speaker 4: We shall see how they play with the success, will
buy the coins to get you to come out of
your show and find out.
Speaker 5: It will be very old boss. It's pass puts aspects,
its puss ps.
Speaker 3: The people, for example, are quite divided on us.
Speaker 4: They will say no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral, bro you will sadly become somebody
different living somewhere else. They will say. Reincarnation means this
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that
you're the same person a boarding at.
Speaker 3: The door half an hour.
Speaker 1: Ago, you'll be reincarned if you are liberating you as
now that you're done.
Speaker 5: The past hasn't instant, the future doesn't insistence.
Speaker 3: There is only the present.
Speaker 4: That's the only amenia is the Zen Master.
Speaker 3: Don't get mad. String does not come sounds.
Speaker 4: Because there is some they springs.
Speaker 5: Its pssssssssssss.
Speaker 4: Has the same idea in his point four Days, where
he says, when you settle down in the train to
read your newspaper, and so you're not the same person.
Speaker 3: While ago to live in the plan.
Speaker 4: If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the change.
Speaker 3: And this is what buys to the wheel.
Speaker 2: Look both.
Speaker 4: When you know that every moment which you are is
the only moment this concenters are. The Master will say,
from somebody, I can have a walk across the room and.
Speaker 3: It can be back, and he says, where are your foot?
They've gone so where are you?
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 4: When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a
Speaker 3: Kind of recitation of an Instagram stress