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Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about

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their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by

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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and face.

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Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Phray, I welcome Joey

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back on with me. Actually he was on for episode

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four ninety three and I titled that the White Chimp,

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and we will put chimp in quotation marks, right, Joey.

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On that episode we talked about some UFO stuff and

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of course the white Chimp in the tree and I'm

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using heavy air quotations there for the folks actually just

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listening and not watching us. But welcome back Joey.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Shannon. It's it's a pleasure to

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speak to you. It's been almost just over the years

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actually since I spoke to you. Yeah, and a lot

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happened since then.

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Speaker 2: I am excited to hear about it because you sent

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a message on actually it was in the group chat

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on Patreon, I think it first, and I missed it

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when you first sent it, and it was something about

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and I kind of I don't want to. I only

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know the broad strokes because you know how I like

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to do things and be surprised about the details. But

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you and we don't have to start here. But I'm

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just letting people know the inception of this second conversation.

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As you said, you saw something very large cross a

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road somewhere. So and I think that we did discuss

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where you are, but you don't have to give any

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more specifics than the state. But you're in Maryland, right, correct,

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in Maryland? And yeah, so I know there are a

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few things that you want to cover, but I don't

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know if we should start with that big thing crossing

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the road or what.

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Speaker 3: Now, because I know how you are, so I'm going

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to leave that for last.

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Speaker 2: All right, awesome high five.

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Speaker 3: Actually, what I was going to start with is your

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main topic that do you like so much? Is the

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sasquatch stuff? Because of all people, and now you got

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to remember, I've heard these stories forever, but I was

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really actually paying attention to what my mom was saying,

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and I'm like, why have I never Well, first of all,

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who would I tell this stuff to? But my parents

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actually growing up also had stuff happen to them with

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what I personally was probably a sasquatch. So I'd like

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to start there. Now, my parents, obviously, you know, they

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they were basically poor in that sense. They grew up

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basically just you know, like my granddad did farm work.

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normal people, right, And this was back in I'll start

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with my mom. No, actually i'll start with my dad

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actually because my mom's got more so my dad he

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used to go work on the land. Basically. The way

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they did it is they would like rent them a

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piece of land and you would go out there take

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care of it, and you know, put your crops out there,

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and that's the sort of stuff. And what they had

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to do at that point is they would give a

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certain percentage to the landowner of what they made that

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year or whatever. But a lot of people would just

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build a little kind of a little shack. You know,

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they're poor people. They were poor people, so they would

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just build a little shack and stay out there taking

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care of the crops. So they maybe come back one

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or two days out of the week. Stuff like that,

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normal stuff for them at that time. But what he

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said is that a lot of their little shacks would

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get slapped at night, and what does that sound like?

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little shacks would get slapped at night. Sometimes their crops,

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you know, would be eaten. But he said it wasn't

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like the because they would stay out there to take

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care of like the raccoons and stuff like that. But

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he said it wasn't like a raccoon. It was like

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it was just taken like somebody with hands actually would

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just grab it and tickets and go off with And

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he never saw anything, and he doesn't remember anybody that

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you know. My dad's passed the way, so I can't

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answer ask him any questions. But he said he never

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heard of anybody else actually seeing anything either. But that's

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just something that would happen to them all the time.

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and was always at night, never during the day, and

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they would all be missing some amount of crops during

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their their season that they were doing that. The other

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thing my dad has is, of all things, he used

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to be a musician and he would also for extra

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money go play at parties. And again, you know, just

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simple people. So they would walk. He didn't have a car,

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so they would walk from the parties back home and

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all this other stuff. And he said there was this

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one particular road and it was just a dirt road.

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he lived at and what he would see oftentimes, and

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he wasn't the only one, because other people told him

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that they had seen the same thing. He would see

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an orb and it would stay in front of him

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and basically, you know, at a distance, but when he

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got to a certain point, it would disappear, and then

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he would walk past a certain place. I think it

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was a tree that he said that it would always

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disappear in that same tree, and then once he was

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past it, he would look back and it would be

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there again, and he you know, kept walking away from it.

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that they they saw constantly. It was the orbs that

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they would see, and that particular one on that road.

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it is. It was a common thing for him at

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that time. And again this is in the forties and fifties,

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you know, so people were very different. Fact then it

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was just a matter of fact, there's an orb there,

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there's a light, whatever it is. But they didn't trouble

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themselves with it. Like my dad was like, I just

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I knew it was there. I would see it and

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once I got there, it would disappear, and then it

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would appear behind me. And those are the things. I'm like,

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how you just accept something like that and say, oh,

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well there is again and keep going. You know. Those

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are the kind of experiences that he had with things

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now that we talk about with the paranormal encryptids and

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stuff like that. I mean, he did see other things,

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but those are a different topic. So I'll tell you

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about my mom. My mom has a little bit more

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of an interesting history with that. My mother actually grew up.

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I don't know how to because I saw one. I

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saw where they lived at one point before it got

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all developed, and there were a lot of woods. But

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one of the things that people in their town would

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say oftentimes is eventually, at once it got dark, there

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was somebody that came through whistling in the back in

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the woods. But people back then used to say, well,

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it's a warlock, so it's time to go inside. And

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then I'm like, wait a minute, what else always talks

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about whistling at night, you know, And they said, because

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lose chickens? And she said, well, the neighbors used to

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lose chickens. So what my dad did? You know? My

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grandfather said, he built like a little house where the

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door was facing the front of like the front of

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their house, so it was like face or the back

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of the house, I guess. So they the door faced

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the chicken coop that they that he built, so the

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door was right there and he would latch it, he said,

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losing chickens, that's when he built that. And we never

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lost any chickens, he said. But the neighbors did actually

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lose chickens, and I think one of her neighbors even

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lost the pig. And so they would talk about this

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guy that would come through the back whistling and they

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always tell it to warlock. It's a warlock, you know,

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just everybody go inside it. But that's you know, they

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again not to offend anybody, but they were very simple,

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and that thing and they never talked about what we

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talk about nowadays again, and this is I think she

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said at her age. I think it was in the

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in the forties, early forties, probably when she was still

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a kid. So then this is the one that really

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made me think, you know what, I should probably tell somebody,

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so at least it's recorded out there by the time

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she was an older teenager in this I think was

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probably the early fifties, late forties, early fifties. My mom

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said that she had a friend, well a family friend,

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that they were friends friends, But it was a little

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her little her little town to go work for these people,

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Sunday off to come back and see her family. So

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what happened was one of the neighbor's kids, he was

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of times was they would send the little kids out

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with food for the dance that were working on the

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fields and stuff like that, and that's what this kid

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was doing on this particular day. He was going out

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something coming through the woods and he could hear basically

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like chains. There were chains that he could hear, you

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around kind of. And so the kid got scared and

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he hid in some shrubs and some bushes. And what

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my mom said that the kid said was that what

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he saw coming through the trail was a big hairy man.

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you know how tall an eight year old is. He's

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not that tall. So I asked, how did he ever

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say how tall this thing was? And he said that

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the kid said, basically, I was barely just past his

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knee when he ran by me, because he said he

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was literally like hiding next to the trail when this

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thing ran by him. And he said it had chains

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on its wrists. So that always puzzled me, because how

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in the world would anybody put chains on something that large?

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in what my mom remembers about that. But I thought

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that was really interesting because something that big and he

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basically just called it a hairy man. And the reason

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my mom found out about it is because they were

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in her town. They were bathed all Catholics, so the

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kid like started having all sorts of nightmares and couldn't

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sleep and all that. So basically they asked if my

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mom would take him to church to I don't know

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what it's called, but take him to the priest so

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the priest could help him. When when she was home

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on that one day, and that's how she knows about it,

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really interesting and personally to me, that sounds like a

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lot of tales of the same thing that we have here.

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America all over the place, you know, in Canada and

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all over. So I thought that was really interesting and

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Speaker 2: What where did your mom and your dad's experiences happen.

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Speaker 3: Where they were originally from Guatemala.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so all the all of that years ago you

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just shared as Guatemala. Wow, that is so cool. Okay

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the orb. Did anybody that your dad spoke to did

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anybody have any feelings towards it emotionally scared? Happy? Did

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they go look for it every day because it made

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there it was just a matter of fact. We all

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Speaker 2: Makes you wonder was it the tree, was that the

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land the tree was on. Was there some kind of

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a graveyard near there? Right?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: What was going on in that area?

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Speaker 3: My dad Actually I forgot about this part. My dad

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actually had a story of when he was also young,

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and he said that when it wouldn't rain, people would

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go to basically a warlock and you know, basically pay

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him for the rain to come. And he said that

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the the dude would go off do his own thing whatever.

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And then that night, he said, like out of the mountains,

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because they lived in a kind of mountainous area. He said,

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that night, out of the mountains, they would see like

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a green orb just shoot across to the other side

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of the mountain, and the next day it would rain.

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I mean, there are so many things that are still unexplained.

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But he said he told me that, and my dad,

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you know, was a minister, so he wasn't gonna lie

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to them. He said, I saw this. These people would

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do that. I don't know what this guy did, but

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at that night you would see a green orb shoot

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from one mountain to the other, and the next day

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it would rain.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Joey, doesn't make you under like if if you

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have a warlock that can make it rain, imagine a

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ticked off warlock. That's something that you wouldn't want to

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deal with, right, Like, I'll take the bigfoot over the

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pistol warlock exactly. Oh man, Oh that's so cool. Yeah.

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The second you said whistling, I was like, oh, and uh,

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I just love hearing the beliefs of other people and

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other cultures though, because then you said, but also, you know,

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there's this whole warlock side to things too. My mind

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immediately goes to bigfoot because that's what we're used to.

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But you know, they always say also tricksters in the woods,

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which can be a blanket statement for things too, right.

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I guess some people could say a warlock could be

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a trickster in a way because they have these powers

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like don't don't tick them off or I don't know

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if if that's how that works, right, if they would

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use their magic and powers for nefarious things, I would

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imagine that they maybe have in the past, but nothing

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that you would want to tick off. So the big

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hairy man and the chains on the wrist, my mind

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immediately went to, well, stories here in the States of

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black vehicles swooping in and you know, like after Mount

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Saint Helens, maybe a sasquatch being airlifted off, you know

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from the area you go. Was that the government that

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you know, was able to capture that thing somehow and

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it got loose, like, like you said, who in the

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world got a hold of that thing? How did they

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do that? And why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That that always baffled me because especially back then,

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I mean, you know, we didn't even have the the

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currently designed weapons or firepower that is available now or

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the technology. But then again we're told that, you know,

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the governments have way more technology then we're aware of.

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And one of the things that I do know about

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that country is that the US government was very involved

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in that country at those times. You know, if you

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research it, you see that the government was the US

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government in the military were already there at that time. So,

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I mean, I can only speculate, but I mean we

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hear stories about them capturing them here. Yeah, you know,

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we're killing them here, So who knows. I mean, maybe

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they've been at this longer than we actually know. But

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I thought that was Ah, that was a very interesting story.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what the regional name for Bigfoot or what?

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There's several even in the United States, of course many

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many because of the different tribes. But do you know

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what one of the regional names where Bigfoot is in Guatemala?

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I don't know off the top of my head.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I don't. I haven't really looked into it. Yeah,

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down there, what they call them, but uh, that there

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are people that claim that they've seen things down there. Yes,

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I've heard other stories and other podcasts that do say,

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you know, they've seen things in those areas and central

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like I said, central South America, So it seems to

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be a pattern. The other story, again, this is more

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like a skin walker type thing, I think. But the

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other story that my mom told me was that when

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she was little, the men used to talk about a

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bull that would run down the middle of the their

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main street and the bull would actually try and steal

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their chickens. Minu, this is the middle of the night.

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I don't know any bulls to go out roaming around

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at night, but they said this bull would try to

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steal their chickens. And eventually the men of their little

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town got together and actually waited for it one day

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and she said, they want out, and they actually I

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think her dad was there too, and they actually attacked

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it with machetes and they cut it up pretty bad

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and said it never came back. And they heard rumors.

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Now again it's just what I've been told. They heard

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rumors that in another town a man had gone to

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the hospital with several lacerations and cuts. And you know,

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she just told me these stories like, yeah, it's just

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what happened. But nowadays I think about it, it's like,

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you know, I think about the skin walkers and all

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that other stuff that people talk about, and you know,

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I know for a fact that which is in warlocks

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are real. I know that they have actual powers. That

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I'm too way, way too deep down the rabbit hole

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to think that those things actually don't happen, you know,

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And so I thought that that was something else. I

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figured I'd let you know and see what you think

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about that. I can't prove it, obviously, it's just what

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I've been told.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I would love to and I'm sure you

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would too, to be able to talk to those people

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and go did they did they kind of know what

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they were dealing with, because, like you said in the beginning,

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it's not a normal mo of a bowl to go

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out in the middle of the night down the street

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and just looking for chickens, So, right, like, what does

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a bowl want with chickens? Uh? So they probably had

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a mind that that's what they were dealing with then, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean back then, the people didn't question the paranormal.

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It was a part of their life. I think you know,

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like they grew up talking about witches and warlocks, like

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I said, so they already knew it, like if they

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were going to a warlock for it ter rain, that

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they were already it was already in that culture. And

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if you really think about it, we're basically we're in

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that area where descendants of the Mayans. And if you

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look at the Mayans, they had all their gods, their

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serpent flying gods and all this other stuff. I mean,

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that was a culture that was very bloodthirsty, unfortunately, but

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they had their deities that they made all these sacrifices too,

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so that maybe that wasn't happening anymore. But that mindset

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in that culture of the paranormal is still there, that

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there are spirits, that there are still ways to interact

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with the spiritual world in that sense, I guess I

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could say, and.

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Speaker 2: I know you're going to share more after or before

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we're done here, but in your mind, because you've already

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you've had Ufo sidings and you saw that the white

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Chimp and all that, and he had other happenings around

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your house that we talked about last time. But talking

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about things like skin walkers and such, you know, because

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you hear me ask all the time, Oh, what's an

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experience that you would one half? You know, is that

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do you think on your no list is something like

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a skin walker?

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Speaker 3: I would say everything's on my no list. But it's

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still keep.

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Speaker 2: Good answer. That's an honest answer. I like that that's

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an honest answer because you have had things happen already. Right,

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it's where you know not everything is just so amazing

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and cool and you just can't wait to come on

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into the ranch. Here it with Shannon. Some things are

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like you know what, it's kind of freaky and I'd

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like to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're actually the first person that I'm talking

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to this stuff about. I just wanted to bring it

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to you because I like how you how you interview,

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in the way you do your podcast. You're the first

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person I've had actually speaking to you about any of

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this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Joey. That means a lot, it really does. Thank you.

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Especially stories from your your parents and everything. I mean,

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some people they and which is a beautiful thing, they

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carry it with them, you know, through their lives and

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its stories passed down and I really appreciate that. That

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means a lot. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome it's my pleasure. It's always it's always a pleasure

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to speak with you and to hear your show. Now

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I got another strange one for you here and now

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this is my my uncle, my mom's brother. He unfortunately,

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he had a drinking problem right and he would go

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out late to the bars, come back home drunk. And

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again there were really no cars back then that they

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had access too. So he was just walking home one

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day and he said, this big black dog started following him,

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and he told obviously he said this to my mom

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before he passed, but he said, eventually the he got

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annoyed with the dog and he started trying to hit

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the dog and kick him. And he said that at

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that point the dog growled at him, so he kept

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walking because it was a pretty big dog. But he said,

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all the way back to the house, he felt like

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he was being hit in the back or whipped by

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a belt or something. But he said he felt like

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he was being whipped all the way back to the

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house and that really scared him. And to touch on

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that a little bit more, he kind of had his

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own little shack and my grandfather's property were where he was.

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He had built for himself and My mom told me

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that my grandfather, when he went out one time to

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go use the facilities, saw a big black dog with

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glowing red eyes sitting or laying down in front of

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my uncle's little shack, and he said, my dad, my

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grandfather did his business, he said, and went back in

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because he wasn't having any part of them. But, uh,

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that's something else that's in my mom's family. My other uncle,

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because I have two, My other uncle also said that

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he had a dog walk him all the way home

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one time. But he said that dog was friendly, so

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he thought, you know what, maybe it's just a stray

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dog or something. So he before he went in the

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house to the property because they had the gate there,

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he said he turned around because he was going to

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invite the dog in because he walked with him all

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the way home, and it was late at night. He

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was coming from a friend's house. He was going to

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invite the dog in, but he said, as soon as

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he turned around, the dog wasn't there anymore. And he

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thinks that it was a spirit that just walked him

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home to make sure that he was okay. So whoa,

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there's two more things that add.

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Speaker 2: There, do you think? And this might begin just so

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far down a rabbit hole, but I guess that's what

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we do, right, joy Is. I mean you mentioned that

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your mom's brother, your uncle, was a heavy drinker. Do

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you think that there's any chance that this dog with

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glowing red eyes and then he felt, you know, whipped

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on his back, that it's some kind of physical manifestations

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of his own demons that he was battling at the time.

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Speaker 3: Well, in that area in it basically in the Hispanic culture,

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they have what they call it Cardjo. I don't know

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if you've ever heard of that, but it's victorious in

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that culture about a big black dog with red eyes

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because a lot of people have seen it, a lot

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of people have experienced it. That's what they attributed to.

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It wasn't necessarily his demons or anything, but that is

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a very known entity in that culture that represents itself

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as a big black dog with glowing red eyes, and

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it usually hangs out with the drunks and the people

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that aren't so nice basically, and that's how it's been

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seen in the culture.

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Speaker 2: So just attracted to darkness, the darkness and people. Yes,

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Ken Daho, that's cool. See, I learned something every time

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I talk to folks that is. Yeah, that's not something

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that you want to see on your walk home. No

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matter what.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of dogs, but not that one.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all, No thing that's on the no list.

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I can definitely agree with you on that one. Yeah,

479
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pissed off warlocks and the ken Dajo. No thanks.

480
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:56,759
Speaker 3: Now, I'll tell you one about my brother when he

481
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,559
was little. And he's almost sixty so like he was little.

482
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,599
You can do the math. It was way back then too.

483
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,480
My brother actually, uh, I think he was like five

484
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:17,160
or six. I think my mom said he was playing

485
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,519
in their backyard one time and was getting close to

486
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,359
the evening, so my mom's going to have him come in,

487
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,839
and before as she was going out the door, he

488
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,880
was already running back in the door, he said, because

489
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,960
he said he saw a little guy smaller than him

490
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:45,039
that came out and waved to him and waved to

491
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,759
him to follow him. Then he turned around and ran

492
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,240
through the fence, not around over or anything. Said, he

493
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,240
went through the fence. So my mom asked him, what

494
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,279
what did he look like?

495
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,559
Speaker 4: You know?

496
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: And my brother barely recalls it because he was little too,

497
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,240
but he's said it basically looked like a gnome. It

498
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,359
had even the same little pointy hat and everything. And

499
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,480
that's one of the first experiences that my brother ever

500
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,319
had that he's willing to admit.

501
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: So you think there's there's others in there that he

502
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,519
hasn't even told anybody about.

503
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:27,559
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, definitely. He's he's not as comfortable as I

504
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,000
am now. Just like like I told you before, I'm

505
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,480
almost fifty. I don't care what people think about me.

506
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,640
I just openly admitted, and I there is a whole

507
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,160
world around us that people don't talk about.

508
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: But he.

509
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: He was whistled at. He he also did a lot

510
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:50,240
of hiking and mountain biking in the through the mountains

511
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,119
and trails that I also use. He said he got

512
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,759
whistled at before. But he just leaves it at that,

513
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,640
like he doesn't pursue anything. He just said, yeah, something

514
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,680
whistled at me, and I just ignored it and kept

515
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,559
going okay, well okay then. And but for him it's

516
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,160
just a statement. He he doesn't pursue it any further.

517
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,799
It's just that's what happened. He leaves it there, you know.

518
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,839
But what whistles at you in the woods when nobody

519
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,720
else is around. That's the thing, because I don't know

520
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:24,480
any birds. Mocking birds can obviously, But but if it's

521
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:26,440
enough for him to remember and tell me, then I

522
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880
don't think it was just a mocking bird, all right.

523
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,720
You know that those are the kind of experiences he's had,

524
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:39,279
and I don't think he'll ever admit it for real.

525
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,799
Speaker 2: Of course, a lot of people would probably say that

526
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,640
him not going and investigating these whistles is exactly what

527
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,960
you are supposed to do. You are not supposed to

528
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,559
go towards the whistles, right because then there the story

529
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,279
is you won't come back exactly.

530
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: Well, that's what appolicia says. You can keep your whistles

531
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:00,839
over there.

532
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,519
Speaker 2: You can whistle all day, Dixie. I'm not going over

533
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:09,279
there yet, that's what they say anyway. But I don't know.

534
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:11,880
I don't know how I would react if I heard

535
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,640
a whistle in the woods, because at this point, I

536
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,039
think I'm just so I've had my experiences. Everybody knows.

537
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,839
Don't need to go over those again, my few experiences.

538
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,920
But part of me goes, gosh, I've been bored for

539
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,039
a while, Like do I need to go and you know,

540
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,119
hunt down the whistle. Maybe I do, let's have another

541
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:37,759
confirmation experience, but the folklore and the legend say you

542
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:38,640
don't ever do that.

543
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: And you know, those are the things that I think

544
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,440
about sometimes because honestly, I don't I'll be honest with you.

545
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,400
I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't even hunt anymore.

546
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,240
And when I go fishing, I don't go fishing into

547
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,880
those remote areas where I knew I had my little

548
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,400
perfect spot to fish, where you know, I go to

549
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,319
like the public areas close to people. I don't go

550
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,480
that deep into the woods anymore. And it's not it's

551
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,000
not necessarily that I'm afraid afraid. It's I just don't

552
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,480
want to deal with it. I don't want to. I

553
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:20,720
don't know why I keep having experiences. You know, I

554
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:22,640
do have my faith, you know, I have my faith,

555
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,440
and so I'm not necessarily scared of it. But it's like,

556
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,319
why does it keep happening we I've talked to some

557
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,920
people before, and it's like, is it like you get

558
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,759
marked or something like they know you? And it just

559
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,200
keeps happening to the same person over and over again.

560
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,519
Because before when people used to talk about well seeing

561
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,200
this and that and whatever. Then you start to get

562
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
to the point where it's like, Okay, somebody's lying here

563
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,279
or something, but it's not really like that. And the

564
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,559
more people you talk to you realize, like when something

565
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,920
starts happening to your childhood, it just continues. It seems

566
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,279
to continue your basically your whole life. And I don't

567
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,079
know what triggers at or why that happens. As a

568
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,720
matter of fact, I'll get into some of my own stuff.

569
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:11,159
I'll start here last year because basically some of this

570
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:16,920
stuff is from last year. I don't remember if I

571
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,440
told you or not, but I go up to northeastern

572
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,400
part of Maryland to help my sister take care of

573
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,440
my mom, not if I ever told you that or not,

574
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:29,599
but that's where this stuff happened. And she gave me

575
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,519
the spare bedroom she had in the on the first floor,

576
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:42,480
so I was sleeping basically on the ground level. I

577
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:49,239
had I had a house slap, and mind you, it's

578
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,480
not like we're in the middle of nowhere, but I

579
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:56,559
got woken up and I heard two more slaps, So

580
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,760
I would imagine the first laps the one that woke

581
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,119
me up, and then there was two more slaps but

582
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,360
what gets me it's the way the bed was facing,

583
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,039
and I had it up next to the window. My

584
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,039
head would have been like in the corner of the room,

585
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,599
and that's exactly what happened. And the you know, the

586
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,440
blinds are drawn everything else, How does it know where

587
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:24,199
my head is? Whatever? Again, I don't know what it

588
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,880
was owned but it was definitely a slap on the

589
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,320
side of the house three times. I never went out

590
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,480
there to look for footprints or anything, because, like you said,

591
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,960
I just I just ignore it. Now, I just ignore it,

592
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,800
and I'm like whatever, whatever. I honestly, I just got up.

593
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,599
I started praying and went right back to bed. But

594
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,840
it woke me up. And it was right around three

595
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000
in the morning when those things seemed to happen. For

596
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,360
whatever reason, they happened. So who knows what that was.

597
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: Where's the window in relation to the bed? Is it

598
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,360
across from or is it right next to?

599
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: There would have been there's a window where I was

600
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,840
at that would have been like at my feet, and

601
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,079
there was a window to the right of me that

602
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,840
was in the middle of the room. But I was

603
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,400
in the corner of the room. So I don't see

604
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,079
how anything would have seen me from the outside in

605
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,840
because all the lights were off the graves and the

606
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,400
blinds are on. So I don't see if somebody could

607
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,840
have anything could have seen me, but they knew where

608
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,960
my head was because it was literally at that very

609
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:40,880
corner where my head was.

610
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:46,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly seems like something. Well obviously it watches

611
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,159
the house at the very least. How long had you

612
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,800
been there helping and staying before this incident happened.

613
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:04,639
Speaker 3: It's truthfully, it's been maybe a couple of years. I

614
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,719
don't think I told you that when I first talked

615
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,079
to you, But.

616
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I'm sorry, Joey. I meant, like, what once

617
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,639
you decided that you were going to go help your

618
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,559
mom out and you were staying there? Was that the

619
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,599
first night? Was that a week after you had been there?

620
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: No, I, like I said, I've been there a while

621
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:22,880
because I don't stay there all the time. I just

622
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,119
I go back and forth between my you know, home,

623
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,159
and I usually go up there, try to go up

624
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,119
there two to three days out of the week. And

625
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,920
it just happened to be on one of those days.

626
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So you had already been there before and stayed

627
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,199
in that very room. Yeah, somebody is definitely something, not somebody,

628
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,360
probably something is definitely watching the house. I mean, maybe

629
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,960
maybe they're coming up during the day and peeking in

630
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,000
and seeing where do they know what a bed is?

631
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,679
Maybe I don't know, and then when the lights go

632
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,840
out they kind of realize, Oh, now it's time to

633
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,800
mess with the hairless things. I mean, I'm assuming, I'm

634
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,920
just my mind goes to bigfoot and I need to

635
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,880
probably stop that. Who knows what it was, But like

636
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,400
you said, also, it's usually around the witching hour.

637
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 3: I will tell you this one thing though, that and

638
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,920
I don't know if this has any correlation with that

639
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,000
or not. But one of the things that I've introduced

640
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,440
to my sister is the whole topic of bigfoot, and

641
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,719
she has actually started listening to podcasts, one of them

642
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,760
being yours that I recommend it, and it's a whole

643
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,880
new thing for her. But she's starting to get into

644
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,760
it and actually starting to believe. Now, does that have

645
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,719
anything to do with it? I don't know. Like I

646
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,800
told you before, I don't think it's just flesh and blood.

647
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:43,679
I think there's a lot more to it than that.

648
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,800
But she's opened her mind to it a lot more

649
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,519
because of other paranormal stuff that we've talked about before

650
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,800
with her. So now she's like, Okay, well, if this

651
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,039
stuff can happen, then maybe this stuff is actually there too.

652
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,440
So who knows some of that.

653
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: Joey does not mean that has she brought up any

654
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:11,480
incidences at Mom's house that she goes, oh, well, now

655
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,599
that I've been listening to some of these podcasts and

656
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,840
some other people's experiences, she kind of connected the dots

657
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,400
to worst. Well, maybe there is some bigfoot around here.

658
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:28,159
Speaker 3: She lives basically right down the street from where my

659
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,559
brother in law had that incident hunting that I told

660
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,679
you about that he was chased out of the woods.

661
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:37,920
So you know, now she's got a lot more infos

662
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,679
so she's starting to put two and two together in

663
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,199
that particular area. There's a lot of reports of dogmen

664
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,679
of all things also not too far from there. So

665
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,000
now that she's opening her eyes or her mind whatever

666
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,639
to this and the possibilities that these things may be around,

667
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,440
she went as far is I do electrical work, and

668
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:04,679
I had put up all these motion lights up around

669
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,679
the house for her that she wanted, you know, that

670
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,119
are activated with the motion. But after a certain amount

671
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,400
of time they time out and you've got to basically

672
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,599
move around for them to come back on. So she

673
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,360
had me change all those lights out to the regular

674
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,159
switch ones that turn on when you turn them on

675
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,159
and they stay on completely until you turn the switch off.

676
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,559
She's like, no, I'm done with motion lights, get rid of.

677
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,000
I won't rent that that won't turn off till I

678
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,079
come back in the house.

679
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: Well, and she's gotten it's probably both sides of the

680
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,760
coin for that light because it's nice to have them

681
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,000
on all the time. Plus if you're in the house

682
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,679
and it's completely dark in the house and then it

683
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,599
goes on, then you know that something's right, Like you're

684
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:56,480
alerted the fact there's something out there big enough to

685
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,400
put the lights on, so you're like, dang it.

686
00:40:58,599 --> 00:40:59,599
Speaker 3: So I get that.

687
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,039
Speaker 2: I can understand that she's like, just I want them

688
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,679
on all the time, and I want to be able

689
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,800
to activate them from inside the house.

690
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely can understand that.

691
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,679
Speaker 2: It is creepy though, listening to other people's experiences and

692
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,920
then you are actually in a place where those kinds

693
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,400
of things could happen or have happened, you know, historically

694
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:26,239
or via other people's reports. Right, I don't expect a

695
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,360
bigfoot to come slap my house here. But if I

696
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:33,760
was in another another place, another state, then you go

697
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,000
to bed listening to a podcast like that, it gets

698
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,400
in your head. So yeah, I can understand that.

699
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, it's like here at night, you

700
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,599
know where I live. Personally, we've had I told you

701
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,559
about those issues, but you know, normally you think about

702
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,199
what do I worry about on my normal dates running

703
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,119
into a black bear, especially now with spring, with females

704
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,199
with cubs, that's what I worry about. That's what I

705
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,559
worry about. My kid walking to the bus stop, you know. Yeah,

706
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,280
but uh, these are these things are around, you know

707
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:13,360
that here where I'm at, specifically in Frederick, there were

708
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,360
in the seventies, there were a lot of reports of

709
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,920
as it was starting to be developed, there were a

710
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,840
lot of reports of dogmen as well, which doesn't necessarily

711
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,079
put the woman fuzzies in.

712
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it does not. They're always ticked off.

713
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,079
They're like the ticked off warlocks that you don't want

714
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:32,440
to mess with.

715
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:39,559
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. I will tell you this, and I I

716
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,199
apologize because I've been really busy with work, and I've

717
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,280
been meaning to send you a video that I took

718
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,440
on my phone and my sister also took on her

719
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:57,280
phone of a ton of lights going overhead. This is

720
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,280
what prompted me to reach out to you. Among these

721
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,400
last things that happened last year, my sister called me.

722
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,239
I was at work. She called me and she's like,

723
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:14,239
can you look at the sky? I'm like, I was

724
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,360
already in Washington, DC. I'm like, I'm not going to

725
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,440
see anything because it's you know, tall buildings, bright lights everywhere.

726
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,800
So I'm like, I'm not going to see anything, and

727
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,559
I got to go into work. She's like, you will

728
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,639
not believe me, but there are hundreds, if not thousands,

729
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,719
of lights going overhead. So I'm like, what is it.

730
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:39,039
It's like planes. She's like, no, it's these little, tiny lights.

731
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,239
At first I thought that they were satellites because she

732
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,960
had gone out to let the dog peek. So it

733
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,880
was like four point thirty in the morning. That's when

734
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,480
she called me and she's like, we're recording all these

735
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,079
lights going overhead, but my phone can't really catch them

736
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,440
because they look like stars. But they just keep going,

737
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:59,440
and some of them are even in formation. Some are brighter,

738
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:06,360
some are or dimmer. And you know, when I the

739
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,239
next time I was up there to see her, I

740
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,159
really talked to her, and she said, and then this

741
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,800
triangle went by with like one light at each corner.

742
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,719
So but I thought that was a plane because I

743
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,519
actually saw lights on it, so I didn't. I'm like,

744
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,280
that's the one thing. You don't record and record all

745
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,400
the other lights, but when triangle that just flew over,

746
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:27,679
you thought it was a plane and you don't record that.

747
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,480
She's like, yeah, I was. I thought it was a

748
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,000
plane because I was looking at all these other lights.

749
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,480
She's like, I thought it was like a UFO invasion

750
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,760
or something, because she said they weren't. They weren't planes.

751
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,559
And since I was there that, you know, I think

752
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,280
it was that happened one day. That same day I

753
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,360
went up there to help with my mom. So it

754
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:50,480
was that it would be the next night, Yes, it

755
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,599
would be the next night. I went outside, same thing,

756
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,440
let the dog do its business, her dog, and I

757
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,920
actually recorded some not as many, but they were still

758
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,679
coming over. I don't know what you call it stragglers

759
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,280
or what, but I had no idea what that was.

760
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,960
And I looked into to see if there were any

761
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,280
reports of anybody else seeing lights that night, and I

762
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,840
can't find anything. I can't find anything. Nobody's addressed anything.

763
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,039
But it's like, I know where we live, so close

764
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:26,000
to DC that there's no way that there's that many

765
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:32,639
flying objects that wouldn't scramble fighter jets unless they know

766
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,800
what it is. So I don't know what that was.

767
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:40,480
It's definitely not a meteor shower. Definitely wasn't that what

768
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:42,880
do they call it? That thing they have up in space?

769
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:50,559
The station thing. Definitely wasn't that. Because they make maneuvers

770
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:55,920
that you shouldn't be able to make, and they can

771
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,880
almost just disappear. I will, I promise you, I will

772
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,599
send you the video this week, and so you can

773
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:04,920
see that I'm not lying about this because I recorded it,

774
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:09,320
my sister recorded it, and I have no idea what

775
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,840
these things are, but it's really unusual.

776
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,519
Speaker 2: No, And in fact, if you send me the video,

777
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:19,519
and if it's okay with you, I can ask you

778
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,400
right now if I can cut it in while you're describing,

779
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:26,679
I can cut it in later into the video, absolutely okay,

780
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,159
And that's no pressure to do that, of course, But

781
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,559
if if if I if you know how I am.

782
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,599
If people mentioned picks and videos, I like to bring

783
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:35,000
it up if it's shareable or not.

784
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I can I apologize. I've just been business so busy.

785
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: With work that is totally fine. So I'm sure you

786
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,199
would have said this if this was the case, But

787
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,159
I feel like I should ask because people might have

788
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,800
the same question. Is this didn't happen to occur around

789
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,199
when that whole drone invasion thing was going down.

790
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,039
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, we've We've definitely seen the I've seen a

791
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:05,760
whole bunch of drones. I've recorded the drones too. But

792
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,079
you know, the drones have the flashing lights. That's that's

793
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,119
the difference. These look like stars, just little specs of

794
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,920
light flying over and doing things that they shouldn't be doing.

795
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,400
But like I said, i'll send you to videos. I

796
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,679
got no problem. But they're definitely not drones unless it's

797
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,840
a different type of drone maybe, but right, how I've

798
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,239
seen it go ahead, I've seen it when the when

799
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,360
the drones were flying over, I mean it was like

800
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,280
tons of them also, but they all have the flashing lights. Yeah,

801
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,559
and where my sister lives, she's not too far from

802
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,840
bwy so I don't see why an airport wouldn't have

803
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,199
an issue with all these things flying over because you've

804
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,119
got planes like coming in and going out. You would

805
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:59,400
think that there would be an issue with air traffic.

806
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,000
But you don't see anything about it in the news.

807
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,039
Nobody heard anything. I haven't seen anything else about it.

808
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,679
But we have it on our phones.

809
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that strange even if? Okay, so with forget

810
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,119
about the drone side of things for a moment. So

811
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,119
this video that you took and the lights that you

812
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:23,760
and your sister saw, these were at the very least

813
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,760
cruising altitude of regular commercial aircraft, if not much further.

814
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,519
Right that none of them seemed to come close. They

815
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:36,599
all seem to be quite out of our distance, correct, Yeah,

816
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,119
Because even in that case, you would think that at

817
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,599
least one other person or many more people would have

818
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,039
seen such a thing. If there's that many, that is

819
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:47,920
very strange. It's almost like it was just meant for

820
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:48,440
you guys.

821
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,039
Speaker 3: It There might be I just you know, I have

822
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,320
limited resources. There might be I just haven't found anything

823
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,519
because I kind of searched through Instagram for that sort

824
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:05,960
of stuff Google. But you know, and again I apologize

825
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,960
I should have the dates because it should be dated

826
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,960
on the date with the video I took. So I'll

827
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,719
give you all that information. I mean, you're more than welcome.

828
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,599
Will look it up yourself and see if you can

829
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,239
find any reports on it. I'd be interested. You let

830
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,440
me know if you do find something.

831
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we could. And then, especially once I splice

832
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,199
it into the video and people hear this episode, eventually

833
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,119
maybe they can help out too. Or maybe someone will

834
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,880
come forward and go, oh, I have a video too,

835
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,119
or I saw those too, that would be even better.

836
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you exactly where it was. It was

837
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,400
in Edgewood, Maryland. That's where my sister lives, Edgewood, Maryland.

838
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,679
So if anybody has anything about that, I'll I don't

839
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,360
like have the date off the top of my head,

840
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,920
but this is with recent It was probably within the

841
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:52,559
last month.

842
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:59,519
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, Oh that yeah, that's that's great. I mean,

843
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,079
you just never know. I always say you never know

844
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,559
who's listening. I mean, look what happened with my chat

845
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:10,159
with David right with the with the tooth or the

846
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,599
tooth the finger possible fingerbone right. I mean that's kind

847
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:19,119
of all information on Patreon We're going to kind of

848
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:24,840
have a little powout about that eventually, because it is

849
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,039
getting tested. That bone that David talked about is getting tested,

850
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:34,159
So that's pretty exciting for at an actual university. So

851
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,400
Darby orcut is going to be testing that, and I

852
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,280
you know, it's it may very well more than likely

853
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,320
come back something very normal, but the point of it

854
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,960
is at least trying right and it's interesting no matter what,

855
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,159
it'll be cool to have it tested and see what happens.

856
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,960
So that's why I always call it going fishing because

857
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:01,400
as we're bringing up with these UFOs, maybe someone in

858
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,599
the area of Edgewood, Maryland also saw them and also

859
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,239
maybe even videotape them. Who knows.

860
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I mean, you know, we all see things,

861
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,920
and we a lot of times we just keep it

862
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,400
to ourselves and we don't ever say anything about it.

863
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,719
But who knows. It could be tons of people that

864
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,679
actually saw this. And you know, my sister actually she

865
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,039
even called nine one one she did, so there's a

866
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:31,360
record of that too. She called the police and said, hey,

867
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,320
you guys, aware of all the lights going overhead? What's

868
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,480
going on? And they just told her, oh, it's probably

869
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:39,760
just playing some worry about it something like that. They

870
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,880
basically dismissed it, but she did actually legitimately called nine

871
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,039
one one. I just remember that.

872
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,079
Speaker 2: That is. Yeah, that's cool, I mean, and that she's

873
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,239
You guys are very proactive, which most people are not.

874
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:57,559
So huge. Hi five to both of you for that.

875
00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: Thanks.

876
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,159
Speaker 2: Oh really, I mean, you know, like you said, probably

877
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,280
a lot of people saw that. But also though, when

878
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,840
you're in this space, you know thing about mofon and

879
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,559
New Fork, and you know the websites to go to

880
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,840
or if you want to report or cross reference or

881
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,800
see if somebody else reported it. But if you're not

882
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,840
in this space, you're you're like, would you call you

883
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,960
call me a move? Would you call me you know,

884
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:26,400
they wouldn't know moufan a. They think you're a curse

885
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,639
an atam or something. So and that's not their fault, right, So,

886
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,800
I mean, of course it's a little bit easier I

887
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,159
think with UFOs because they're they're they're back in the

888
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,079
spotlight your big time and getting congressional hearings and things. Now,

889
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,920
nothing has really come out of that really that much.

890
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,400
But uh, the big D word is no closer than

891
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,760
it was uh, name your number of years ago. But anyhow, Yeah,

892
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,400
very cool that you guys are. Are that proactive?

893
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,039
Speaker 3: All right? So that happened recently. Now. The last thing

894
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:04,840
that I've said for you is interesting, you know me,

895
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,840
I'm not gonna tell you what I saw. People can

896
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,199
speculate on this, but I personally don't know what I

897
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,679
saw except exactly what I saw. Now. One of the

898
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,679
things I rarely ever share is I was in the military.

899
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,639
I have specific training in a certain role said that

900
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,360
required me to be very attentive to details, to be

901
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:35,679
able to see something and you know, like we literally

902
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,239
trained for this, to see something where it quickly remember

903
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,719
everything you can about it, and your eye just naturally

904
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:48,679
catches eye movement. So I was on a late shift

905
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,719
at work, so it was three in the afternoon, was

906
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,920
broad daylight on a sunny day. I'm leaving my sister's

907
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,280
house because that's where I had been, and that's why

908
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,360
I told you about this place. In As I'm getting

909
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,400
ready to make a right turn out of her development

910
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:13,079
down the street, the street to the left curves probably

911
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:17,360
about one hundred meters down, two hundred and fifty meters

912
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,480
down more maybe too Somewhere around there it curves.

913
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: And.

914
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: What I saw was a canine that was gone across

915
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:36,559
the road. Where that canine was crossing is basically like

916
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,760
fifty sixty feet of woods on both sides, where we've

917
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,480
seen a lot of You can see that there's a

918
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:46,159
deer trail through there, so they use it to move

919
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,239
through the area. Now, watching a dog cross the road

920
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,519
really isn't anything to think about, but it's stuck in

921
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,840
my head. It's stuck in my head so much that

922
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,480
I went back and I measured the road twenty feet

923
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:07,119
across right twenty basically, And what's stuck with me is

924
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:11,400
that the dog I didn't see. I never saw the head.

925
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:18,360
I saw it from the shoulders back, but it was

926
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,119
taking up almost half the lane. So the roads twenty feet,

927
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,679
half the lane is ten feet, and this dog's taking

928
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,000
up without the head, not including the tail, the body's

929
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:37,800
taken up almost half the lane. So because of that,

930
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,519
I went home. I measured my dog. He's one hundred

931
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:46,719
pounds German Shepherd, big dog, tall big. He's only twenty

932
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,440
four inches at the shoulder without his head. From his

933
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:54,000
shoulders to his rear, he's only thirty inches. But if

934
00:55:54,039 --> 00:56:00,239
you look at him. That's a big, intimidating dog. That

935
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,119
dog dwarfed him. That dog was easily twice his size

936
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,559
as far as the body goes. And the tail, he

937
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,360
had it out and it was kind of bushy. And

938
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,320
the reason I started to really think about it and

939
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,519
click on it is because I had heard somebody. I

940
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:24,239
actually talked to somebody that claims that they saw a

941
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,760
dogmen and she's only like maybe fifteen miles from here,

942
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:32,199
a white dogmen. But her description of the tail when

943
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,440
I heard it, made me reach out to her because

944
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,639
the description of the tail that she gave was spot

945
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,000
on with the tail that I saw. Now, the thing

946
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:46,480
that I saw was brown, it wasn't white, but the

947
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,320
tail was the same thing like it started with short

948
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,440
hairs that you know, close to the body, and then

949
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,639
it just got really shaggy towards the end of it

950
00:56:56,079 --> 00:57:01,159
and there was a long tail. I don't know what

951
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:06,199
I saw, and this was late late summer of last year,

952
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:13,719
twenty twenty five, but all I can say is that

953
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:20,920
was an unusually, very very large dog. Because I can't estimate,

954
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,360
you know, I can estimate, but you know, I've even

955
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,840
looked at some of the wolves the northern wolves that

956
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,320
are like I think, with from the tip of the

957
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,079
nose to whatever, they're like seven feet long and all

958
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,800
that stuff. But without the head and the tail from

959
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:41,639
the shoulder to the rear. This dog was easily I

960
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:48,519
would put it six seven feet and the height it

961
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:51,559
was clearly at least, like I said, at least twice

962
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:54,199
my dog, if not more, because I was far away

963
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:56,480
and I've worked with dogs, is you know for so

964
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,360
long that I know how small my dog should look

965
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,760
at that dist And my dog's not going to take

966
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,559
up half of a traffic late, you know, He'll be

967
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,519
like taking up a third or one traffic lane or something,

968
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,920
not the whole half. So that's the other one I

969
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,400
wanted to tell you. I don't know what I saw.

970
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:18,599
People can speculate on.

971
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: So the tail would actually look kind of similar to

972
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,679
one of your dog's tails, and kind of like a

973
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:34,679
German shepherd. Maybe bushier, but it's quite similar, right, Yes, yes,

974
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,840
and you might have been too far for this, but

975
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,159
you know when you talk about dog man, they seem

976
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:48,880
about as comfortable on all fours as they are being

977
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,639
bipit by pedro. Did you notice anything about the back

978
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,360
leg that you could see to where you thought, oh,

979
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,280
that's a weird joint. It could probably stand up. You

980
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,199
might have been too far.

981
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,559
Speaker 3: No, I mean if you looked at it, it was

982
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,320
literally just a canine trotting across the road, and I

983
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,639
just happened to catch it. Now, I will tell you,

984
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,320
I actually, instead of going right where I was gone,

985
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,360
I did turn left to see if I could catch

986
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,519
another glimpse of it. But by the time I got there,

987
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:19,519
there was nothing there.

988
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: Do you wish you would have seen the head?

989
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:33,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been curious about that ever since. I

990
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:35,679
really do. I wish I would have seen the whole thing.

991
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:37,559
I wish it would have been. It would because I

992
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,119
was in the car so I could have threw it away,

993
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,800
But honestly, I wish I could have seen the whole

994
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,840
thing and seen exactly what it was, because it's it's

995
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,880
been stuck in my head now for a while. You know,

996
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,880
I'm not the kind of person that's I've seen bears

997
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,239
crossing the road before, I've seen bears on the ring

998
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,000
cameras in the nameighborhood. It doesn't stick in my head,

999
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,880
you know, It's like it's a bear who cares. It's

1000
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,360
not here now, But that thing, I keep going back

1001
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,119
to it, and I keep thinking, what was that? Because

1002
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:18,599
I know that it it's a canine, whatever kind of canine,

1003
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:23,199
but it was just unusually large. And I don't know

1004
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,880
what to make of that, because dogs they're not that big.

1005
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:29,039
They're not built to be that big.

1006
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,559
Speaker 2: Some people describe a back and shoulders almost hyena like,

1007
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,519
like there was a there's a hump to it and

1008
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:41,679
then it tapers down. Is that what it did?

1009
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: I know that the the shoulders were it slanted. I

1010
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,360
won't say necessarily like a haena, but it did slant,

1011
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:55,119
but I won't say it was like a hyena. It

1012
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,320
was brown and it was furry. It looked more like

1013
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,760
a dog. Really. You could almost say almost like a

1014
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,119
German shepherd, like.

1015
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: If somebody took your dog and times it by four

1016
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,039
or whatever. Yeah, okay, yeah, so that looked like that.

1017
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,599
Is it super muscular or just I mean, it was

1018
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:22,960
just regular proportions, just more of it, just big, just big.

1019
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:28,639
Speaker 3: Just big. You know, I'm not gonna lie to you

1020
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,920
and tell you that I saw the huge biceps.

1021
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:31,159
Speaker 2: Now.

1022
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:36,199
Speaker 3: It was just it was just a huge kenine. And

1023
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,400
I've seen the dog because you know, people do have

1024
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:41,679
dogs around there around here. I've seen the dogs in

1025
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,719
the neighborhood. I know what the dogs are. That and

1026
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:48,079
the fact that it was crossing world that deer cross

1027
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:50,559
as well in that trail. You know, I don't think

1028
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:54,440
it was a domestic house pet that got out or something.

1029
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:58,639
It looked like an animal that had purpose and it

1030
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:00,400
was going somewhere and that's what it is doing.

1031
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:06,079
Speaker 2: Well, Joey, someone obviously has a dire wolf from Game

1032
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:12,679
of Thrones. Lucky them, except it got out. Not lucky

1033
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,320
for you guys. Okay. So the other thing though about

1034
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,440
this is this woman who saw one that is that

1035
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:25,239
is white, she saw one too. So there are reports

1036
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,599
in the area. Have you come across anymore? And now

1037
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,360
I am done to do another look see on this

1038
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,440
as well. I should talk to Aaron. I'm gonna talk

1039
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,719
to Aaron and go, hey, how about that Maryland area, buddy?

1040
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,079
Let me know, Well, they have this.

1041
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:47,519
Speaker 3: Place, Oh my gosh, what is that. There's a place

1042
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,400
just south of here that's called, oh my goodness, the

1043
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:58,840
name evades me Potasco Potasco At State Park, and there's

1044
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,800
a lot of reports of people hearing howlers there to

1045
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,360
the point, how to the point where there is something

1046
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,000
that people call the Potascal Howler.

1047
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: I believe that sounds formiliar.

1048
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: And like I said, up here around because we're literally

1049
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,239
down the street from the well, not where I'm at

1050
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,440
right now at home, but she's literally right down the

1051
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,719
road from the Patuxan River. In that area of the

1052
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:29,800
Potasco has a lot of has had a lot of

1053
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,599
reports of dogwin being seen there.

1054
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: Would you.

1055
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: All right?

1056
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: I love my hypotheticals, you know that. So say you

1057
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:52,159
did still hunt or you went fishing and you saw

1058
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,039
that thing, except it was really really close. Now you

1059
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,679
can your mind can put whatever head you want on it.

1060
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:59,960
Either way, it's not going to be nice because it's

1061
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,800
just too damn close. I mean, that wouldn't be a

1062
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,039
good thing, right, It would be so big, especially because

1063
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,119
you know, like you said, if your dog was right

1064
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,559
where it was and as far back as you were,

1065
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:13,039
you know how big that thing is because of that,

1066
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:17,599
because you have large dogs. I always put people in

1067
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:19,800
this position, and you're not gonna have a perfect answer,

1068
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,239
but you know, if you were still hunting, you have

1069
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,239
a gun with you that can take down a deer.

1070
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,719
And now whatever you're hunting for Would you be in

1071
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,719
trouble if you were close to that thing, no matter

1072
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,880
what kind of gun you had.

1073
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: Yes, because I don't believe that these things are simply

1074
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,159
flesh and blood. I believe that they have more of

1075
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:48,360
an attachment to the spiritual world. So if it's just

1076
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,239
the gun, I would probably think yes. But I have

1077
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,199
two because I'm also spiritual. I got faith. So in

1078
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,519
that sense, I'm covered one way. I'm not telling you

1079
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:03,239
that it's a and it's scary. Yeah, I'm covered. I'm

1080
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:10,400
covered one way or the other. Now I had a

1081
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,519
lapooa three thirty eight, maybe I could think, Okay, I

1082
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:15,440
can put one right through the eye and then we'll

1083
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,440
talk about it. But if I don't, then.

1084
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: You're like, give me the fifty cow. Maybe we will

1085
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,519
be all right. Still wouldn't sleep. But yeah, like you said,

1086
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:31,840
I mean the mental damage after something like that. Uh okay,

1087
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,559
So here's a here's another weird question, another weird hypothetical,

1088
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,599
because I'm right there with you, you know, especially something

1089
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:44,000
like dog Man, there's just it it's just not it's

1090
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,440
just not this flesh and blood thing. It's just not

1091
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:53,320
I'm sorry. Uh, if someone else was either uh, in

1092
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,800
front of you in another car, or maybe there's a

1093
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,440
friend of yours in the passenger seat. Do you think

1094
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:03,880
that there's a possibility that you still would have been

1095
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,880
the only one to see it?

1096
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,079
Speaker 3: Probably because I know that these things are out there.

1097
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:22,280
I'm always looking. In the training that I've had doesn't

1098
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,840
just go to sleep. It's still there. So like in

1099
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,760
the mornings when I do go to her place, or

1100
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,719
actually even here in my house, when when I leave

1101
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:33,960
in the mornings and it's pitched black, I'm always looking.

1102
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:36,760
I'm always looking because I live in the mountains too,

1103
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,039
so I'm always looking to see what I'm going to see,

1104
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,679
not only because it's a deer might cross the road,

1105
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:47,159
but it's a horrible insight. But I know what's out

1106
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:50,199
in the woods now. And you know, like I said,

1107
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:53,079
I didn't stop hunting for no reason. I just I

1108
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:56,840
don't get comfortable anymore deep down in the woods. It's

1109
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,159
just I guess it's not necess say that I'm scared scared.

1110
01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:05,360
It's just I just don't want to see them whatever,

1111
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:08,000
whatever they are, whatever it is, I just don't want

1112
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:08,320
to see it.

1113
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,719
Speaker 2: Is there some part of you that's a little sad

1114
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,400
or disappointed that you got to that point where you

1115
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,159
don't go hunting and fishing anymore.

1116
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think that it took away something from me.

1117
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,400
You know. Now, when my wife and my kid tell

1118
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,519
me they want to go camping, I'm like, Okay, let's

1119
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:32,639
find the most public area to go camping. You know,

1120
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:35,440
it's no longer let's go deep down in the mountains

1121
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,920
by the freshest creek in the middle of nowhere. It's like, Okay,

1122
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:42,400
where's the nearest camp site that you know it's going

1123
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,320
to have a ton of people with little kids and

1124
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,880
dogs and everything. Let's let's go camp there. I lost,

1125
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:50,559
I lost some of it.

1126
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:54,519
Speaker 2: I think, well, and that of course ties into you

1127
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:59,679
wanting to protect your family. Like you've mentioned the gnome,

1128
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:04,559
it doesn't have to be a big scary creature with

1129
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,880
fangs for it to have a traumatic impact on somebody.

1130
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:14,039
You know, say you did take your family camping. And

1131
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,039
I always go back to this story from John Wilson.

1132
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:19,039
I know you're gonna remember it because I bring it

1133
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:22,640
up quite frequently. But the gentleman that was camping by himself,

1134
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,479
and he was reading a book, and he kept like

1135
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,279
hearing things outside the camp site, and he had gone

1136
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,359
to sleep and you know, was fell asleep reading, which

1137
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,119
we all do, and the book is just you know,

1138
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:39,279
and he woke up and saw the damn gnome with

1139
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,840
the book in his hand off on a log somewhere,

1140
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:44,840
you know, the next morning, which meant that the dang

1141
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,279
thing walked all the way over and grabbed his book

1142
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,960
right by us. You know what I mean, Like, you

1143
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:53,279
don't want your child to have an experience like that, right,

1144
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,119
or a hand pushing in an a tent or whatever.

1145
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,199
There's a million different scenarios. So I definitely that we

1146
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:05,479
understand that. And Okay, so last question, I think, maybe

1147
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,359
did you ever go down and walk that deer trail

1148
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,279
that you saw this massive creature trajanal on down?

1149
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,520
Speaker 3: Nope? I did not. I did not because I realized,

1150
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,079
you know, and I heard a lot and talked to

1151
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,199
some other people about stuff like that. It's like these

1152
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,880
things walk around with impunity, like they don't care if

1153
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,840
they're actually seen. Unlike Sasquad, it seems to try to

1154
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,159
remain hidden. These things seemed just and they're reported even

1155
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:39,720
in cities. It's like, how how are you in the city,

1156
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,399
what are you living off of? What? Are you doing here?

1157
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,039
But so I'm like, nope, as you like to say,

1158
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:47,520
that's a big bag of note for me, you know

1159
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,239
saw it. I'm going to leave you right there, yeah,

1160
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,960
because the last thing I want is to go after

1161
01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:56,600
these things. And you know what a lot of people

1162
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,640
say is, once you start looking at the dark, dark

1163
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,079
gonna look back at you. It's like, I know you're there,

1164
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,640
You're in your space. I'm in my space. I'll give

1165
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,600
you your space. Stay over there, because I don't need

1166
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,479
you come in following me and next thing, I know,

1167
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,520
like I like to tease my sister, and next thing

1168
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,000
you know, you're gonna have some big, huge dog kad

1169
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:16,279
looking at you over the fence. I don't I don't

1170
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:19,840
need that. I wouldn't need that. I'm gonna leave well

1171
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,560
up alone. I told you that before.

1172
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: Nope, I remember long ago. I think it was the

1173
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,720
far too close episode. I know I won't remember the

1174
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,600
number like usual. But you know, when he woke up

1175
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,119
and there's the the canine dog man whatever you want

1176
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:40,640
to say, looking in his window, You're like, nope. Also,

1177
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:45,760
though close your blinds and curtains, people, what it's dark outside.

1178
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,640
You're in a fish bowl. You know these things like

1179
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,319
to watch enough as it is close your blinds, it's

1180
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:59,000
not a good thing. Yeah, okay, so all right, I lied.

1181
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:06,399
One more is it was in fact just walking normally. Uh,

1182
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,239
it wasn't trying to be fast like. That's probably why

1183
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:10,800
you brought up the fact that it just does not

1184
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,119
care Like here I am, I'm crossing the road, No

1185
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:19,479
big deal. Nothing weird about the gate though, just yeah.

1186
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:26,239
Speaker 3: No, just an actual canine looking thing. It wasn't. There

1187
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:29,159
wasn't anything unusual about it except the extreme size.

1188
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is a pretty cool sighting. Though

1189
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:44,399
You're like, okay, Shannon, Sureance you try it sometime. You

1190
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,920
know what, though, You're right because like I said earlier,

1191
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:50,840
I live where I live. I'm not probably going to

1192
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,640
see something like that in all honesty, Uh, as much

1193
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,760
as I say i'd like to. But if I lived

1194
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,880
out in the sticks or go to my mom's house

1195
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,279
and it's in this place where the house is getting

1196
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:05,680
smacked and there's you know, thousands of UF all this

1197
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,760
stuff's going on, I can understand your side too. You're like, eh,

1198
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,680
I've had quite a bit already. I'm good.

1199
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:17,279
Speaker 3: It's not so comfortable to know these things that are

1200
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:20,039
out there in the woods. You know, it just it

1201
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,079
takes something away from it for me at least.

1202
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

1203
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 3: It is what it is. Right.

1204
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 2: Do you think that I'm sorry, go ahead, Joey.

1205
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're go ahead.

1206
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: Do you think you could ever get back to a

1207
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,520
place where you would go hunting and fishing? Or I

1208
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,640
mean the band aid's ripped off, the veil has been lifted.

1209
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,000
You are you? You know what you know, and you

1210
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:46,520
saw you saw over all these years. So it's just

1211
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,520
too late. No genie back in the bottle for you, believe.

1212
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:52,119
Speaker 3: It or not. That's my goal this year is to

1213
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:55,239
get back into fishing. I even bought a kayak so

1214
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:56,000
I can go out.

1215
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 2: On a little lake so nice. They have to put

1216
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:07,640
effort in to get to you exactly. Well, let's not

1217
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:13,720
talk about swimming sasquatch then, No, just kidding, but really though, Yeah,

1218
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,800
do you remember that old school story that like Will

1219
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,359
Jevining used to talk about is the I think it

1220
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,720
was the like a red, red haired sasquatch that swam

1221
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,399
under the guy's kayak, can you say, or a boat?

1222
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,199
And he said, what the hell is this? That is

1223
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:32,840
so much? No, right, there. There's something so and I

1224
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,600
think I told you this when we very first spoke,

1225
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,439
because your whole you know, chimp air quotes chimp in

1226
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,800
the tree, and I said something about, you know, when

1227
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,479
you take no matter what size it is, I know that.

1228
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:52,279
You know we're talking about bigfoot and orangutans and monkeys,

1229
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,520
and yeah, they go in trees. But then when you

1230
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,479
get to something massive or a bigfoot, or put them

1231
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,479
in a tree, put them in the water. That's just

1232
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,760
there's something just so so off about that to me

1233
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,439
because but also because bigfoot researchers are so like, where's

1234
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,319
the tracks, where's the hair on this tree? Down? You

1235
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,560
know this part of the tree where they're rubbing their hair.

1236
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,680
You don't think to look up. I mean imagine looking

1237
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,920
up and seeing something that large just hanging out ready

1238
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,159
to harry and the Henderson's jump out of the tree.

1239
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:26,279
Speaker 3: Ed.

1240
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's just something so weird about that

1241
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:29,199
to me.

1242
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see the thing around we're here and it's

1243
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:40,359
not just the Pacific Northwest, it's here. The bushes they

1244
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,640
get so thick too. I mean you've got like a

1245
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,399
little trail that you're walking down half the time, and

1246
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,279
everything around you. It's like a green wall that you

1247
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:51,560
can't see through. So there could very well be something

1248
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,560
there right there next to you, and you can't even

1249
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,000
see it because the shrubbery is so thick, the vegetation

1250
01:14:57,159 --> 01:15:01,800
is so thick, you know. Yeah, I'll stick to the

1251
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,079
public areas now.

1252
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: That makes me happy to hear that, though, Joey, that

1253
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:10,159
you'll get back probably into fishing, and you got the

1254
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,199
kayak and you're ready to go, like the thinking I

1255
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,239
was right there with you. You're like, well, if I'm

1256
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:16,680
in the middle of the water, they have to put

1257
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,439
a little bit more effort in if they're gonna come

1258
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,600
get me. So that's good that No, honestly though, I

1259
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:24,560
joke around, but that's good to hear that you're gonna

1260
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,159
get back into that.

1261
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:27,239
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1262
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1263
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And everyone by now should know if something whistles

1264
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,079
at you, okay, unless it's you're in the middle of

1265
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:40,840
the city and it's a dog call, just don't go

1266
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:44,159
into the woods towards the whistles. You all know by now,

1267
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,600
that isn't not what you do. So your brother's right,

1268
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,800
at least he didn't go h He's like nope, nope,

1269
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:54,079
he's doing the dumb and dumber Jim.

1270
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,399
Speaker 3: Very pretty much. I'm going one way and that's what.

1271
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, piece it out of here. Man. Oh another weird thing.

1272
01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:07,439
But Joey, thank you so much for coming back on.

1273
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,800
And not that I want you to have another collection

1274
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:16,359
another year from now. Right, as much as I'm sure

1275
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,159
that you just love to talk to me, you probably

1276
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:20,960
want things to chill the heck out right.

1277
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,039
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not always fun being in this spot and

1278
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,239
you have to wonder sometimes why it happens, but it happens.

1279
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:32,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1280
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: Well, if I do have anything else interesting, I will

1281
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:34,920
let you know.

1282
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 2: I think that you will, and I do appreciate you

1283
01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:41,439
being willing to come back on and share all of

1284
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,279
it and came me updated. What's going on with the

1285
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:47,159
kayak time? Will you over on Patreon? I want to

1286
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,079
hear about all that stuff going on with you.

1287
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:52,199
Speaker 3: We'll do, and I promise I will send you the

1288
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:55,039
pictures either, if not tonight tomorrow morning, I'll send you

1289
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:58,079
the videos and the stuff about excellent.

1290
01:16:58,239 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1291
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 2: So for anybody that's just listening on the podcast side,

1292
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:04,319
of course, it's ad free and everything on Patreon. But

1293
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,680
if you want to see the video that Joey is

1294
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,720
talking about I cut it into the video before I'll

1295
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,920
air it over on my into the fray on YouTube.

1296
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:17,720
I still am airing the videos over there. I think

1297
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,079
it's from like five point thirty one forward or all

1298
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:23,800
video episodes. So well, Joey, have a great day out there.

1299
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:26,560
Keep the house slappers at bay. Huh.

1300
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:34,039
Speaker 3: Thanks, you have a good one out there too. Well.

1301
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm so so.

1302
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 4: I was given the snake by my parents.

1303
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,159
Speaker 3: My business I under college. I've done these things in

1304
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:43,119
my profession. I producing Little Black says, forget.

1305
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:49,399
Speaker 4: It, that's something your story, that's all gone, that's all possible.

1306
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,600
And I want to see the Amelia when nobody knows

1307
01:17:53,640 --> 01:18:00,079
who that is, because we don't know except for a

1308
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:05,720
thing to Arenas and consulting our memorials. But then that's

1309
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,199
a really and that again, it's as fascinating to this question.

1310
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:11,319
Speaker 2: Who are you?

1311
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 3: That does not mean.

1312
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:18,399
Speaker 4: We shall see how they play with the success, will

1313
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,800
buy the coins to get you to come out of

1314
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,239
your show and find out.

1315
01:18:24,079 --> 01:19:33,359
Speaker 5: It will be very old boss. It's pass puts aspects,

1316
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:55,720
its puss ps.

1317
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,279
Speaker 3: The people, for example, are quite divided on us.

1318
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,199
Speaker 4: They will say no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

1319
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,920
that after your funeral, bro you will sadly become somebody

1320
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:34,439
different living somewhere else. They will say. Reincarnation means this

1321
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:38,079
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that

1322
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:39,800
you're the same person a boarding at.

1323
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 3: The door half an hour.

1324
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: Ago, you'll be reincarned if you are liberating you as

1325
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:46,760
now that you're done.

1326
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 5: The past hasn't instant, the future doesn't insistence.

1327
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 3: There is only the present.

1328
01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 4: That's the only amenia is the Zen Master.

1329
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 3: Don't get mad. String does not come sounds.

1330
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 4: Because there is some they springs.

1331
01:22:02,239 --> 01:23:48,119
Speaker 5: Its pssssssssssss.

1332
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 4: Has the same idea in his point four Days, where

1333
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,520
he says, when you settle down in the train to

1334
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,640
read your newspaper, and so you're not the same person.

1335
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:14,119
Speaker 3: While ago to live in the plan.

1336
01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 4: If you think you are, you are linking your moments

1337
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:19,720
up in the change.

1338
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: And this is what buys to the wheel.

1339
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:24,319
Speaker 2: Look both.

1340
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 4: When you know that every moment which you are is

1341
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,359
the only moment this concenters are. The Master will say,

1342
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,000
from somebody, I can have a walk across the room and.

1343
01:23:37,039 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 3: It can be back, and he says, where are your foot?

1344
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,039
They've gone so where are you?

1345
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,079
Speaker 2: Who are you?

1346
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 4: When we are asked who we are, we usually give

1347
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:48,840
a

1348
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,159
Speaker 3: Kind of recitation of an Instagram stress