Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to the buck Eye with the podcaster
Speaker 1: and Tony Jrdiman. Here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 1: How's it going?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing great. You, I think have a lot
Speaker 2: to prove on this show. You really haven't been pulling
Speaker 2: your weight this month, and I think this is your
Speaker 2: opportunity to show the people that you deserve to stay
Speaker 2: on the Buckeye Weekly Podcast.
Speaker 1: Listen, Hello everybody. Uh, I don't have to prove anything
Speaker 1: to anybody. All right, like you're watching me, Tom, you're
Speaker 1: talking to me. I'm not talking like anyway. Well we're
Speaker 1: talking about here is what other people have to do
Speaker 1: to prove themselves. I have, I am, I have proven
Speaker 1: I have I have. I have won the I've won
Speaker 1: the Bold Predictions seven years in a row. What more
Speaker 1: do I need to prove?
Speaker 2: I don't know that we've even done the Bold Predictions
Speaker 2: seven years in a row, but.
Speaker 1: Seven years in a row, I've won the Bold Predictions.
Speaker 1: I have nothing left to prove, because you know, when
Speaker 1: you can get two out of seven or eight predictions correct,
Speaker 1: that tells you that you are proven. But no, with
Speaker 1: now practice kind of winding down and games heating up,
Speaker 1: there are still well, maybe ten or so practices left
Speaker 1: before the first game. We're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: players who have the most proved in those practices in
Speaker 1: order to established themselves their their position. They're standing. And
Speaker 1: the first guy I want to talk about is Richard
Speaker 1: Freshman quarterback Tavan Saint Clair, who is in a battle
Speaker 1: to be the backup quarterback for the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Speaker 1: Last week when we talked to Brian Day said, Luke
Speaker 1: Fahee is pushing him this week. There there may be
Speaker 1: some changes there and so if he wants to make
Speaker 1: sure that that job is his, he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of time to do it, because as we know,
Speaker 1: once the season gets going, that backup quarterback job it's
Speaker 1: generally set and there's not a lot of jockeying once
Speaker 1: you know, there may just be this week in terms
Speaker 1: of getting this thing finally set to where it's locked
Speaker 1: in and it's not changing. So this is this is
Speaker 1: a big week for you know, Luke Faygee as well,
Speaker 1: But to be pushed by Fayhie, I think this is
Speaker 1: a Tavan Saint Clair has the most approved in terms
Speaker 1: of the the backup quarterback situation right now, and he's
Speaker 1: next to say, four or five days.
Speaker 2: Well, it feels like the default answer here is you're
Speaker 2: going to sort of lean towards the guy who's been
Speaker 2: here an extra year, the guy who has you know,
Speaker 2: the size and the arm and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But the fact that this is a even a conversation
Speaker 2: right now, and the fact that this seems like this
Speaker 2: is more than just sometimes you get just sort of yeah,
Speaker 2: you never know, you might got to watch this, and
Speaker 2: it's just sort of the coaches talking to the players
Speaker 2: through us. This has gotten to the point that I
Speaker 2: really don't think this is just the players getting talked
Speaker 2: to by the coaches through the media. I think there's
Speaker 2: there's really you're hearing enough when there is not a
Speaker 2: microphone in front of someone to think that, yeah, this
Speaker 2: might really be a conversation right now. And you know,
Speaker 2: to your point, people might be wondering, why does it
Speaker 2: have to be settled now? If you've got a starting
Speaker 2: quarterback battle and there's like a question like who's the
Speaker 2: who's going to be the number one, that's something that
Speaker 2: that they may spend practice reps on who's the backup
Speaker 2: if it's still really an open question going into the season,
Speaker 2: it generally is just kind of like, well, who was
Speaker 2: ahead going you know, going in, you know out coming
Speaker 2: out of fall camp. All right, that's the person who's
Speaker 2: going to be the backup because you just you don't
Speaker 2: have that many reps to spend on that. And the
Speaker 2: famous example of that, of course, was twenty seventeen when
Speaker 2: it was Dwayne Haskins and Joe Burrow battling BQB two
Speaker 2: behind J. T. Barrett, and it felt like Joe Barrett
Speaker 2: Burrow is maybe ahead of Dwayne Haskins, and then he
Speaker 2: hit his hand and a helmet broke a bone in
Speaker 2: his hand, and then he was out for you know, six,
Speaker 2: eight week whatever it was, and so Dwayne Haskins was
Speaker 2: QB two. And then when J. T. Barrett got assaulted
Speaker 2: by a cameraman on the sideline at Michigan and too
Speaker 2: out at the end of that season, got whacked in
Speaker 2: the knee, had to come out of the game, Dwayne
Speaker 2: Haskins comes in. Rashan Gary has big proclamations about what's
Speaker 2: going to happen to Dwayne Haskins and turns out to
Speaker 2: be wrong about all of them, and then Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 2: sort of enters twenty eighteen and spring ball in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen as QB. You know, QB one, you know, or
Speaker 2: essentially likely to be the perceived as a little bit
Speaker 2: ahead of Joe Burrow, and the rest is history. Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: you know, goes through springball, it was basically even and
Speaker 2: he ends up leaving because he wants to make sure
Speaker 2: he's a starter somewhere, and it all played out the
Speaker 2: way it played out. But you know, the moral of
Speaker 2: the story, the relevance of that to this is you've
Speaker 2: got to know who QB two is relatively soon. And
Speaker 2: you know this is this does not seem like something
Speaker 2: that Tavian Saint Clair has already lost by any means,
Speaker 2: but it does seem like, to Tony's point, if Kavian
Speaker 2: Sinclair has a good week, Tavian Saint Clair can be
Speaker 2: QB two, and then Tavian Saint Clair is probably QB
Speaker 2: two all season long. With the reps, the game reps,
Speaker 2: the practice reps, and all the stuff that comes with it.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about that Joe Burrow example. I
Speaker 1: was thinking back to the JT. Barrett situation in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen when I was just trying to get a quick timeline,
Speaker 1: but basically, like he gets urban Meyer names him the backup,
Speaker 1: and then I don't know, the next day or two
Speaker 1: it's announced that Braxon Miller's out for the season, and
Speaker 1: so boom, there's your starter. And it stayed that way
Speaker 1: as we know, until it didn't later in the season.
Speaker 2: Turns out, yeah, changed during the Michigan game every once
Speaker 2: in a while.
Speaker 1: Huh, there you go, and it works. Maybe maybe that's
Speaker 1: the real message here with this one is you got
Speaker 1: to be ready for that Michigan game. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: backup's got to be prepared to play and can't necessarily
Speaker 1: be worried about what's going on in quarter The coaches
Speaker 1: can't be worried about trying to figure that out either.
Speaker 1: But he's still to performing practice and a limited amount
Speaker 1: of opportunities that you get. Speaking of limited amount of
Speaker 1: opportunities in practice, the next guy on the list that
Speaker 1: I want to talk about is Kyle Parker, transfer from LSU.
Speaker 1: Was fine in the spring getting reps in the slot
Speaker 1: at Z and has some experience. Cut thirty some passes
Speaker 1: last year as a red shirt sophomore. This is his
Speaker 1: fourth year in college. Has started a number of games
Speaker 1: he's relatively experienced. We never saw him and he's been
Speaker 1: kind of am I A in terms of information I
Speaker 1: want I don't want to say he's mia and like
Speaker 1: I haven't really heard a lot about him, and not
Speaker 1: necessarily somebody that has been asked about by you know,
Speaker 1: of Ryan Day, because we only have like you get
Speaker 1: one question and do you want to ask about Kyle Parker?
Speaker 1: Do you want to ask about something else? And so
Speaker 1: this presuming he's able to go at some point, you
Speaker 1: want to see him get into the offense, figure out
Speaker 1: where he is, how he's utilized. Is he inside, is
Speaker 1: he outside? Is he pushing somebody? Is he being pushed?
Speaker 1: This is not this? I mean, is he going to
Speaker 1: be a guy that is productive? Is he in the rotation?
Speaker 1: We assume he is. We've talked all along that he
Speaker 1: was going to be one of those four veterans and
Speaker 1: then maybe some freshmen can come along. But we need
Speaker 1: to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to see it, and the coach just
Speaker 2: need to see it because it's just it has It's
Speaker 2: not that he hasn't performed, it's just he hasn't been
Speaker 2: out there. He missed several weeks of camp. I have
Speaker 2: not heard a definitive answer as to how back he
Speaker 2: is right now, if he's completely back, if he's still limited,
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm honestly not sure on the answer on that.
Speaker 2: But it's getting late pretty early for him, because you know,
Speaker 2: he comes he came in with the advantage of he
Speaker 2: played for quart Haz Hankton at LLSCU last year, So
Speaker 2: Cork has Hankton knows him and knows his game and
Speaker 2: knows what his strengths are, and so you know that
Speaker 2: that will certainly help Kyle Parker case in terms of
Speaker 2: getting on the field and getting time this year. But
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith, you know, he's starting, Brandon Innis seems like
Speaker 2: he's got a, you know, very regular spot. Devin McEwan
Speaker 2: feels like he's got a very regular spot. Chris Henry
Speaker 2: Junior is certainly feels like he's moving up that pecking
Speaker 2: order quite a bit. Rock Boyd moving up that pecking
Speaker 2: order quite a bit. We've been hearing good things about
Speaker 2: Dez Jones the last week or so. It feels like
Speaker 2: he's maybe moving into that that that sort of pecking order.
Speaker 2: And I just said six names, and that is about
Speaker 2: as deep as you're going to go with the wide
Speaker 2: receiver rotation. So you know, I think Kyle Parker coming
Speaker 2: out of the spring, we would have had at least
Speaker 2: in the top four, probably coming out of the spring
Speaker 2: with the three starters that I mentioned and then him
Speaker 2: and then you know, well you got fresh from behind them,
Speaker 2: and we'll see how the freshmen do. And the second
Speaker 2: year guys, well, you know we haven't seen a lot
Speaker 2: from them. Well, now a couple of the freshmen have
Speaker 2: really moved up and maybe leap frogs Kyle Parker, and
Speaker 2: I don't know where Des Jones is in terms of,
Speaker 2: you know, a number of snaps that he'll see this year,
Speaker 2: but it seems like he's making a push for playing
Speaker 2: time as well. So yeah, this is this is a
Speaker 2: case where if you don't get a chance to show
Speaker 2: what you can do a lot during Paul Camp, it
Speaker 2: get you your opportunities are going to become more and
Speaker 2: more limited as the season goes along. Yeah, All State game, sure,
Speaker 2: Kent State game, sure, and maybe you can prove something
Speaker 2: and move up the order then, but if you don't
Speaker 2: take advantage of those limited opportunities, at some point, you
Speaker 2: kind of are where you are until something significant changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you saw the Charlie Becker thing is an
Speaker 1: interesting significant change where I don't know why they decided
Speaker 1: to start playing in but they finally did and it
Speaker 1: worked well for Indiana. But at this point, if if
Speaker 1: you've got young guys ahead of you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that's what's happened, but if that has happened,
Speaker 1: then you've got to reclaim your spot. And sometimes I
Speaker 1: say the talent is touched that you can't reclaim your spot.
Speaker 1: And so that's why we have them on this list.
Speaker 1: Another transfer Terry Moore, who you know was the number
Speaker 1: two free safety in the spring for the first half
Speaker 1: that he was the number one free safety in the
Speaker 1: spring the second half. I don't know how much free
Speaker 1: safety stuff they're doing. That's the information that I've been
Speaker 1: able to get, and it's not anything that we saw
Speaker 1: in the first three days. They didn't play three safeties.
Speaker 1: They played two safeties of nickel in two corners, and
Speaker 1: so it very much seems like it's Jalen McLain and
Speaker 1: ear Little at safety and Jay Timmons at nicol and
Speaker 1: then obviously Jerine Matthews and Devin say it is at
Speaker 1: corner but what is Terry Moore's role? Is he just
Speaker 1: it's dismiss him to say is he just the backup
Speaker 1: free safety? Is like is that going to be his role?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that is there is there a spot for him
Speaker 1: in a package? Is there something that he can do
Speaker 1: where it's not just going to be okay Jayalen mclin's
Speaker 1: day is done, go on in Terry Moore, go on
Speaker 1: in Lee roy Roker or something like that. So I
Speaker 1: think this is an opportunity. It's and maybe the opportunity
Speaker 1: frankly has passed because of one scheme, But if they
Speaker 1: had seen more, I don't know that they'd be saying
Speaker 1: we're just a two safety system now.
Speaker 2: Well, it just it feels like this is a little
Speaker 2: like the offensive line when we talked about the offensive
Speaker 2: line on the last show, where it's like, well, every
Speaker 2: time we see them, they're doing this thing. And so
Speaker 2: I don't know how seriously to take the conversation about, well,
Speaker 2: we're really seriously thinking about this other thing. It just
Speaker 2: feels like when we've seen Terry Moore and le ro Roker,
Speaker 2: they've been with the twos and coming out of the spring,
Speaker 2: I had Terry Moore with the ones in sharpie, like
Speaker 2: not even a question. And then at some point over
Speaker 2: the summer, I think this is a Jay Timmins happened
Speaker 2: sort of situation where they're just they're looking for their
Speaker 2: best combination of guys, and we came out of the
Speaker 2: spring thinking, Okay, Terry Moore at that deep safety spot
Speaker 2: or a little at that nickel, and okay, you're freud
Speaker 2: in your two safety transfers. You're putting them next to
Speaker 2: Jalen McLean and bing bang bloom, You're done. And then
Speaker 2: you sort of just started to hear about Jay Timmins,
Speaker 2: and you heard more about Jay Timmins, and then Jay
Speaker 2: Timmins became the only thing anyone could talk about, and
Speaker 2: someone has to come off the field and it was
Speaker 2: not gonna be or a little and it wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: be Jayalen McLean, and so then it was Terry Moore
Speaker 2: and it just it just feels like that has not
Speaker 2: been something that's been really discussed to the point where
Speaker 2: I would be a little surprised. It feels like you're,
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna pull j Timmins off the field
Speaker 2: when you're gonna put three linebackers out there, So you're
Speaker 2: pulling Jay Timmins off the field, but it's Raley Petty
Speaker 2: John going out there, not Terry Moore. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: still remain high on Terry Moore. I mean, you looked
Speaker 2: at the transfer portal rankings, you look at just what
Speaker 2: he looked like at Duke before that knee injury in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and it's like, yeah, you see what
Speaker 2: they saw, and you see what they wanted to bring in.
Speaker 2: But it just feels like he has sort of fallen
Speaker 2: behind now and I don't know, you know, until someone,
Speaker 2: you know, if someone gets hurt, Yeah, maybe he's that
Speaker 2: next guy in there. It just right now, it feels
Speaker 2: like it may be, you know, the window of opportunity
Speaker 2: may have closed, at least for the short term for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're playing the same position essentially as
Speaker 1: Jalen McLain, you're not going to be number one. And
Speaker 1: so it's just I wonder, is he involved in a
Speaker 1: big nickel or is that just something we've talked about
Speaker 1: with Simeon Caldwell the freshman safety, which kind of sort
Speaker 1: of leads into this next thing, and that's we'll go ahead,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned two guys here and that's the second
Speaker 1: year defense vents and Zion Grady and that Satana Land
Speaker 1: And the reason I mentioned Simmon calledwell, it's like we're
Speaker 1: hearing about some guys like Jay Timmins and we're seeing that.
Speaker 1: And Simmon calledwell, and like Riley Petty John, you're hearing
Speaker 1: about guys stepping up. Really through this camp. Have not
Speaker 1: heard much about Zion Grady and Epistamalay, and we expect
Speaker 1: both of them to be part of that rotation. There's
Speaker 1: no reason not to. It's just there's not been much
Speaker 1: talk about them. And you know, we've we've talked to
Speaker 1: a couple of defensive linemen and they're saying good things.
Speaker 1: But it's like from inside, I guess I'm not really
Speaker 1: hearing much as much as I I would like. Certainly
Speaker 1: I've never tom. I'm not hearing much as I would
Speaker 1: like from inside the program. Yes, welcome to the world,
Speaker 1: but I guess they're here. One because it's a very
Speaker 1: important role. You know, you're you're trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that you've got depth there. And two it's just I
Speaker 1: have not really heard much about either of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Bantt Christian last week, I just did a
Speaker 2: I did a bonus show on the Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning
Speaker 2: podcast feed. I put up some clips from Bennett Christian's
Speaker 2: interview and he talked about Epi Sitanala and Carry Wilder
Speaker 2: is two of the young defensive ends who are jumping out.
Speaker 2: But it is definitely you were sort of expecting coming
Speaker 2: off of year one. A lot of times, guy, you
Speaker 2: get guys who play I think Zion Grady played one
Speaker 2: hundred snaps give or take last year, and a lot
Speaker 2: of times you get a guy who played a hundred
Speaker 2: snaps in year one. Okay, Boom, he's ready to play
Speaker 2: a bigger role and at least be you know, the
Speaker 2: clear cut number three there where he's the first guy
Speaker 2: off the bench at the very least, if not, he's
Speaker 2: you know, starting. And I think my assumption coming out
Speaker 2: of last season was, Okay, one or both of those
Speaker 2: guys is going to be in that you know, defensive
Speaker 2: end two defensive end pre role. Bo Atkinson is either
Speaker 2: going to transfer or be like a role player, and
Speaker 2: that's going to be it. And bo Atkinson has taken
Speaker 2: a pretty significant step forward to the point where he's
Speaker 2: very clearly I think right now the guy who's going
Speaker 2: to be starting opposite Kenyatta Jackson. And so then the
Speaker 2: question is, Okay, where are the other guys? Because you're right,
Speaker 2: it has been very quiet with Zion Grady this year
Speaker 2: at this fall, and it's been, you know, somewhat quiet
Speaker 2: with Epicitanola as well. And those are guys who we
Speaker 2: both sort of expected to be ready to take that
Speaker 2: next step, and it just feels like you haven't heard
Speaker 2: the stuff you would normally be hearing if they were
Speaker 2: really at that point. So the good news is for
Speaker 2: those guys need someone, you are not going to it's
Speaker 2: going to be ninety something degrees in ninety percent humidity
Speaker 2: in Austin, Texas even at seven thirty at night or
Speaker 2: whenever that game kicks off, you are going to need
Speaker 2: to play a bunch of defensive linemen. They're probably going
Speaker 2: to play eight to ten defensive lineman at least in
Speaker 2: that game. So the opportunities are there, and it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of, all, right, who was ready to seize
Speaker 2: that role as defensive end number three, defensive end number four.
Speaker 1: And the last guy I want to mention is on
Speaker 1: that defensive line, and that's Edric Houston, who was always
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to watch how he reacted to
Speaker 1: James Smith being brought in and John Walker frankly as
Speaker 1: well to play on that defensive line. He knows, Edric
Speaker 1: Houston knows he shouldn't playing sixty snaps. Nobody should thirty five, forty.
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity there. But I think just reaffirming that
Speaker 1: this is my job, this is my spot. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to lose it like I did last year. And
Speaker 1: then he lost the job last year but still played
Speaker 1: and eventually played more minutes or more snaps than Taiwan
Speaker 1: Malone who was starting. So it's like I say, lose
Speaker 1: his job. It's like Malone started most of the games
Speaker 1: and that was supposed to be Edric Houston this year.
Speaker 1: I don't really get all hung up on defensive line
Speaker 1: starters because they all play. You know, if you're in
Speaker 1: a rotation and you're playing regular minutes, I don't really
Speaker 1: care who starts. But he does need to show that
Speaker 1: this is the year. This is supposed to be the
Speaker 1: year he produces. So I think let's continue to see
Speaker 1: that through practice, finish on a strong note, and be
Speaker 1: one of the effective members of this defense. Because this
Speaker 1: defense when it's got a strong defensive tackle, whether that's
Speaker 1: a three tech or nose tackle, so many more things
Speaker 1: can happen. And they've had some really good three techs
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, Draymont Jones, Tyler Williams, guys like that.
Speaker 1: And if Edrick Houston can finish this string of this
Speaker 1: next two weeks of practice and hit the season running
Speaker 1: and then also pair with James Smith like this is
Speaker 1: this could be something special. But we just haven't seen
Speaker 1: a ton of production from him in his time, and
Speaker 1: I think that's really why he's on this list. For
Speaker 1: me is I want I want to see that production.
Speaker 1: So he has to finish. I think it would help
Speaker 1: if he finishes strong, I guess, is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: Tom, Yeah, for sure. And you know he started his career.
Speaker 2: I mean he came in as a defensive end and
Speaker 2: then halfway through the season you saw him playing at
Speaker 2: free tech and playing actual meaningful minutes. I think he
Speaker 2: played like against Penn State as a true freshman at
Speaker 2: a position that is more physically demanding than the position
Speaker 2: he initially came in at. So that was that was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: this guy's destined for enormous things, and then first of
Speaker 2: fall camp last year twenty twenty five, hurts his knee,
Speaker 2: and I mean that was really like, that was a
Speaker 2: big oof for Ohio State. That was a big oof
Speaker 2: for Everard Houston, And it felt like it took him
Speaker 2: quite a while to get back up to speed. But
Speaker 2: then by the end of the year it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it feels like he's maybe back where he sort of
Speaker 2: thought he would be at this point. Now, can he
Speaker 2: take another step forward this year? And it feels like
Speaker 2: we're kind of still asking that same question where he's there,
Speaker 2: He's going to play, He's going to be contributor this year.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to have a good season. But
Speaker 2: is he going to have a yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: pretty good season, or is he going to have the
Speaker 2: you know, this is the five star guy who was
Speaker 2: good enough to get out on the field midway through
Speaker 2: his true freshman season plus two years that you know,
Speaker 2: that projection is that guy's a really you know, all
Speaker 2: conference kind of player. And they do not have Caden
Speaker 2: McDonald in the middle that defensive line this year. And
Speaker 2: I think, you know, John Walker and Will Smith will
Speaker 2: be fine, and I think James Smith, I'm expecting big
Speaker 2: things from James Smith. But if you can get a
Speaker 2: you know, a really good season, too great season out
Speaker 2: of it, Edward Houston, that raises the ceiling for what
Speaker 2: this Ohio State defense can be. And if it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, it's an okay season, then that
Speaker 2: kind of limits you a little.
Speaker 1: Bit very much. So, so those are some names that
Speaker 1: we're thinking about. What about you, guys, go ahead and
Speaker 1: through those in the comments. Anybody that you need to
Speaker 1: see finish strong, not that you're gonna be there watching,
Speaker 1: but that needs to have a strong finished to practice
Speaker 1: before that first game against Ball State, and whatever other
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