WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.719 Hi, This is Alan Taylor from Fayetteville, Georgia, and I 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.199 play at the Griffin City Golf Course. This is Golf 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:14.480 Smarter number nine hundred and eighty six. What did Ben 4 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:17.719 Hogan say about the more I practice, the luckier? Again, 5 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:20.760 Paradoxers like drive for a show and puts for it 6 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:23.399 don't really help people, right because they suggests that he 7 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.000 the guy who has a long t shot may not 8 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.399 be better than the guy who can quote unquote well, 9 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:33.520 but with Mark Brodie's well, we realize that the guy 10 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:38.200 who can hit the longest and have an unimpeded subsequent 11 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:42.000 shot would score better than the guy who's shot and crooked, 12 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:45.759 for example, or who's shot but in the fairway, simply 13 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.159 because if I'm using a sandwich into the green, the 14 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.640 chances of me getting closer to the flat would be 15 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.079 higher than you who's using a six or five iron. 16 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.759 And that's just basic principles of a ball flight. Because 17 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:02.759 the more lost you have, more back spin, less sight spin, 18 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:05.840 easier for you to send the ball where you're aiming. 19 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.560 Here's what I teach that I've learned from listening to 20 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:18.480 Golf Smarter with Singapore instructor Justin ten This is Golf Smarter, 21 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.239 sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to 22 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.400 help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 23 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:30.640 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf 24 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.480 Smarter podcast Justin. 25 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.760 Hey Fret, thanks for having me back. 26 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:40.359 On Absolutely you sent me a text recently and I'm like, Okay, 27 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:43.680 no question, we need to discuss this. This is really 28 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:47.159 awesome and it's like, here's what you said to me. 29 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:52.200 With twenty years of coaching and learning from great coaches 30 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:58.040 before me, I hammered out the below to to tell 31 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.680 a PGA professional who asked you for mentorship and thought 32 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:03.200 i'd share it with you as a lot of these 33 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.799 things I learned from your podcast. Now, you and I 34 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:10.159 have talked about what you gathered from Tony Manzoni in 35 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:13.000 the years that we had him on, and that you've 36 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:17.759 also shared with me that as a golf instructor in Singapore, 37 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:22.639 you've been using Golf Smarter as a resource to learn 38 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.319 what other teachers are talking about. And I'm so flattered 39 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.000 by that. I really appreciate it, and I've heard other 40 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.479 instructors say the same thing. So when you gave me 41 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.800 this list of nine things and we'll go through all 42 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:39.759 of them. I was just blown away of how impressive 43 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:41.560 this was that you would use this and that you 44 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.120 got this information from the teachers that we have on 45 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:46.319 the show. Thank you. 46 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.960 No, it's my pleasure to be able to share the 47 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:55.560 material that I learned. And it's really about increasing enjoyment 48 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.280 in the game, right. If you're talking about growing the game, 49 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.159 who wants to play a game that's painful? So you 50 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.599 look at the word g o lf in reverse, it's flog. 51 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.960 No one wants to flog themselves. And I think, and 52 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.759 I think that the approach that I use is far 53 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:17.439 easier for people to gain some kind of mastery of 54 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.199 the golf swing so that they can enjoy the game. 55 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.439 I think these are two very different things. If you 56 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.560 manage to hit decent enough shots for your skill level, 57 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:34.719 the enjoyment of the game will come, maybe slowly, but surely. 58 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:40.439 Yeah, but golf. Getting better at golf learning about golf 59 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:41.680 is a slow process. 60 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:46.360 Indeed, learning about the game of golf the golf swing 61 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.800 is no different from learning a new habit. And for 62 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.560 someone to learn the game the swing effectively, we need 63 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.360 to understand that we are teaching human beings that's point one. 64 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.879 We are teaching human beings, not golfers. And that's something 65 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:06.280 that I learned from. But Charmond and I understan what 66 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:11.120 I want to get across is most coaches need to 67 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.560 first do sect finding. You've got to be a great 68 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:20.759 fact finder. You've got to understand what's the student's KPI, 69 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.000 not your KPI. Most instructors feel that their KPI is 70 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.639 all going to show the student in front of me 71 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:30.519 how brilliant I am. 72 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.279 But no, maybe I need to stop you for a 73 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.000 second when you say that's. 74 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:36.720 The key performance indicator. 75 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:38.519 Thank you. Yeah. 76 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.800 So a lot of coaches think that the student wants 77 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.160 to hear the latest and greatest in the world of 78 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:50.079 golf swing technique golf swing technology, but actually maybe all 79 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:51.879 he wants to do is to hit the ball better 80 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.600 so they can enjoy his weekend game with his buddies. 81 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:01.680 And then we also need to understand the students constraints, 82 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:07.040 like what's his real ambition versus his reality? His ambition 83 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.839 may not be scratched to be a scratch golfer, and 84 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.120 here we are. Sometimes we see great junior in front 85 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.000 of us with a great swing, like, oh, you know, 86 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.120 you should play college golf. Hey, maybe all he wants 87 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.040 to do is just to get out there and the open, 88 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.959 enjoy some fresh air, beat balls with his buddies, and 89 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.720 that's it, Like that's his idea of fun. And when 90 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.240 it comes to their reality, maybe a seventh year old 91 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.000 guy is not going to fit into your idea of 92 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:40.839 a great golf swing, right, And that's physical constraints. And 93 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.920 I think once once coaches look at that as a business, 94 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.560 do their proper fact fine, then it's easier to kind 95 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:52.439 of define the problem that's in front of us. But 96 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.040 we can define the problem that's in front of us, 97 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.399 we can, then we're then in a better place to 98 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:05.639 be able to solve it with effective techniques. Yeah, and absolutely, 99 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:10.120 I think once you understand that, then it's the next 100 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.480 step would probably be to understand that if we're teaching 101 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.079 human beings, then there must always be room for outliers. 102 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.879 I think a lot of coaches make the mistake of like, oh, 103 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.360 it's going to be black and white. I think coaching 104 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.000 is not black end. Coaching human beings is more like 105 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:29.360 fifty shades of grain. 106 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.800 So I'd love to know more about, like how this 107 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.879 came about that you made this list you said that 108 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.319 a new PGA professional asked you for mentorship, and so 109 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:44.800 did you just rattle off some ideas that you had 110 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.439 or did you go let me get back to you 111 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.040 and you sat down and just started writing things and 112 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.639 where were you pulling them from? And then we'll get 113 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:55.360 into the list, although you've already started. 114 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.720 Yeah. So most professionals in Singapore, Asia know that I've 115 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:06.120 got a I've got it a heart drive here, it's 116 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:13.120 four gigabytes SSD samsum T seven. I'm fond of telling 117 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:17.079 them that this hard drive is probably worth something like 118 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.360 US one hundred thousand, like the amount of money is 119 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:27.600 spent on buying material. Ah, yeah, it's probably worth it 120 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.800 in that region. So he said that, hey, do you 121 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.000 do you mind if if you shared the contents of 122 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:40.000 that hard drive with me? I go like, okay, but 123 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.920 how do I sift out what's relevant and what's irrelevant 124 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:48.759 for you? Because in my evolution as a coach, I've 125 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:52.920 started off as a very technical instructor golfing machine stack 126 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:58.759 until more to the very soft skills of coaching where 127 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:03.519 you kind of understand students mental type than to anatomy 128 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:08.480 a person's body type. How each how different segments of 129 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.279 the body interact with one another, and I go like, 130 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.639 you know what, if I just gave you the material 131 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.000 like that, it's I'm gonna do you a big disservice 132 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:24.079 because it took me years to understand the material and 133 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:29.959 even longer to put them together. I believe we spoke 134 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:34.879 about my performance Pentagon before. It's not just a full 135 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:40.279 swing technique. It's also skill development. Then it's also how 136 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:47.360 the human brain acquires skill, retains skill, and then ultimately 137 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:54.120 reproduces it under pressure. So it's it's not just that, 138 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.360 oh this is black, this is white, it's how do 139 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:02.559 these different segments together? And I go like, okay, I 140 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:04.720 don't want to just blow you off and say oh, 141 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:08.360 you can't have it, but like, what what can I 142 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:14.120 tell him that sets him in the right direction. So 143 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:16.639 there was in the saw. I was in a sauna 144 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.279 and he texted me the stuff. It's okay, let's just 145 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:22.879 bang this out together. And I was quite surprised that 146 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:27.639 I managed to come up with nine ten things. And 147 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.559 I was like, hey, you know what I should I 148 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:34.240 should share this with Fred and my other mentors who 149 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:38.000 have been kind enough to put together an amazing roster 150 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:46.559 of instructors to citing our technical knowledge of coaching. 151 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.240 Hm hmm. Yeah. I recently heard that someone said, and 152 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.080 it's so true, and you've just supported it, that golf 153 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.879 really can't be taught, it has to be learned. Yeah, 154 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:58.000 that makes sense. 155 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:03.080 Yes, so I tell I tell friends this. Some things 156 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:09.080 are taught, something are taught, Like, it's very difficult to 157 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.720 go teach someone how to coach, like, it's got to 158 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.320 be in need. You're going to have the desire to 159 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:23.000 want to help people improve. And for great coaches that 160 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:26.519 I've learned from, they always want to be a better 161 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.840 version of themselves, and not just that, right, they also 162 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.840 want their students to be a better version of themselves. 163 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.159 And you can't you can't really help people unless you 164 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.879 are constantly on the quest of how do I make 165 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.320 this easier for the person in front of me? How 166 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.679 can I give them better information in an easy to 167 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:54.399 understand manner. And that brings me to the second point 168 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.159 of the list community. 169 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.440 Well, the first one being let me just say that 170 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.960 the first one on the list was we are teaching 171 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.960 human beings, not golfers. So you did cover that already. 172 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:06.320 And. 173 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:12.159 Let's we'll get to number two. But let's step aside 174 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.039 for a second for some of our sponsors, to let 175 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.799 them let everybody know who they are. We'll be right back. 176 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.879 All right, I'm gonna just go ahead and read this 177 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.120 and then I'll let you elaborate on it. And it's 178 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:32.159 number two on your list. Is communication is the most 179 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:37.360 important skill in transmitting ideas, yet gets the least attention. 180 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.720 Yeah, a lot of golf coaches. When you tell them, hey, 181 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.080 come to my seminar for the latest and greatest in 182 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:51.279 three D emotion analysis ground reaction forces, they'll come. But 183 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:56.240 if you say, come and learn how to communicate effectively 184 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.600 to your students, I don't think that's quite as popular. However, 185 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.799 if you are unable to get ideas across, how can 186 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:12.080 you be effective? So that to me is a great 187 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:17.120 skill that is more often than not neglected. I think 188 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:21.559 you need to understand your student's worldview. Do they have 189 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.120 any previous sports they play that we can relate to. 190 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:31.679 That's extremely important and I find that once you understand 191 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:40.200 those things, the learning curve deepens dramatically. And in communication 192 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:46.720 of golf swing technique, I understand also that there is 193 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:50.600 relative approach and an absolute approach. What does that mean, 194 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:55.000 So on an absolute basis, if you're off plane, you 195 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.679 know you're off playing, you come across the top outside 196 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.559 and as the case maybe, but from a relative basis, 197 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.480 you might want to tell the student, hey, you know 198 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.639 what you're stringing, so farther the left, you need to 199 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:13.000 feel that you're going to the right in almost forty 200 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.200 five degrees. Now are they able to do that? Absolutely, 201 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.960 they're not going to have a string path that's inside 202 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:24.919 out by forty five degrees, But on a relative basis 203 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.960 they might feel that way. And it's your job as 204 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.919 the instructor to say, hey, I'm trying to get you 205 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:37.320 to exaggerate so that your extreme into our path will 206 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.799 cancel out your extreme out to inpath. That's basically the 207 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.200 approach that the great John Jacobs too. And once you 208 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.120 help students to understand that what you feel is not 209 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:57.159 exactly what's happening, learning can be accelerated very, very dramatically. 210 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.759 Well, the way i'd like to look at number two, 211 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.159 I know that you're you've made this list for a 212 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:09.000 PGA professional, and these are tips for PGA professionals with 213 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.039 their students, but I think this is also an important 214 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:16.519 tip for a student to be able to understand about 215 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.639 their instructor. That communication is the most important skill in 216 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:26.879 transmitting ideas. It gets the least attention. So for a student, 217 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:33.240 if they feel like the instructor they're working with isn't 218 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:39.080 communicating on a level that they understand, maybe they should. 219 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:42.279 It's okay, leave a teacher, right, I mean, you're not 220 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:47.840 committed to this person, you know by marriage. 221 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.320 I think as an instructor, you want to be able 222 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:56.159 to communicate complicated ideas in a manner that a seven 223 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:01.639 year old can understand. It need not be complicated, and 224 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:06.960 most students don't really want to know things like ground 225 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.200 reaction forces. Again goes back to the point number one, 226 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:14.840 what's their key performance indicator. They're not there to learn 227 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.240 how to be a golf coach. They're not there to 228 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.600 be certified in ground reaction forces. That's the instructor's job, 229 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.519 and the instructor's job when the student is in front 230 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:29.559 of them, is to make what my mentor, Jim Hardy said, 231 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:35.720 make the next ball better. That's that's our job. That's 232 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:38.679 how we imagine. But I don't think students are going 233 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.639 to give me five stars because like, wow, Justin knows 234 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.279 everything every new ones there can be in in the 235 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:49.639 golf grip. But you help him hit his next shot better. 236 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.840 That's all he cares about, and that's what he will 237 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:57.399 be telling his weekend foursome about. 238 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.759 Absolutely, let's move on to number three, which I was 239 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.159 gonna go, oh, that's something we talk about on the show. Well, 240 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.000 this is your list is based on what we talk 241 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:08.759 about on the show. 242 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:09.600 Uh. 243 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:11.720 And then, and I say this a lot, is that 244 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.799 you know, hitting a golf ball is not the same 245 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:19.519 as playing golf. And the way you write it here 246 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:23.639 is there's the golf swing and there's the game of golf. 247 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:29.440 Great instructors know when to teach which one. Yeah, excellent point. 248 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:34.519 So the golf swing makes a golf shot, and you're 249 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.600 making enough golf shots, that's the game of golf. So 250 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:43.519 maybe for beginners it's really about the golf shot, the 251 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.200 golf swing, so you work on things like that. But 252 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.960 for a good player, I'm talking about guys with five 253 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.639 handicaps and below, is it really the golf shot or 254 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:59.159 are there other parts of his golf game that needs addressing, Strategy, 255 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:05.359 maybe fitness, Maybe it's this mental approach. So earlier we 256 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:11.000 talked about surfing, there's the surfer, there's the surf board, 257 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.519 and there's the waves. So what's outside of our control 258 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:20.200 would be the waves. And sometimes good golfers need to understand, Hey, 259 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:25.200 you know, my technique is of a sufficiently proficient level, 260 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:30.240 got decent equipment that's fitted to me. But hey, if 261 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.480 we're talking about a thirty mile gale win, then is 262 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:38.759 this really a day for shooting sixty six? Well, if 263 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.119 you could, or credit to you, right, But sometimes it's 264 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.880 expectations and the outcome. And once you understand that, then 265 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:53.519 you know, I suppose there is more acceptance and it 266 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:55.880 won't be so hard on yourself. You probably enjoy the 267 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.759 game more and that ironically could lead to a better score. 268 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:05.720 And as an instructor, again all goes back to point 269 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.039 number one. What does the human being in front of 270 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:13.640 you want. Some guys just are interested in having a 271 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:17.799 pretty string. That's fine, we can do that. Some people 272 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:22.119 are interested in the golf score, that's fine, we can 273 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.920 work on that. Whatever you want, what's your kpi? We 274 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.480 will work together to achieve that. There is no right 275 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.079 or wrong. It's what the guy in front of you 276 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:37.720 paying for the lesson once but Keviat sometimes you got 277 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.480 to set expectations right. You've got to make sure that 278 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:43.599 his demands are realistic. 279 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.920 Yeah, it was a show that we recently did about 280 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.799 the teacher who uses the bell chart, the bell curve 281 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:59.039 of PGA that every golfer has on their scorecard, and 282 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:06.400 that is poor rounds, good rounds, average rounds right PGA. 283 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.960 And so you can you know, if you're a seventy shooter, 284 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.000 you can say to yourself, well, listen, I shot a 285 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.480 seventy nine today or an eighty one. Okay, that's a 286 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.240 poor round for me. I would love to be in 287 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.440 that position. For me, that would be a good round. 288 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:30.079 But for me eighty two eighty five, that's an average round, right, 289 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:34.440 And a good round would be you know, just above 290 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:38.279 eighty or just below that, and I'd be happy that. 291 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:41.400 But we have to accept that, we have to understand 292 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.720 that it happens on any day you're out there to 293 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:46.839 every golfer at every level. 294 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.319 Some days you get a good waste and some days 295 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:55.599 mediocre ifts. And golf is such a great metaphor for life, 296 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.880 for we have great days, we have not so good days, 297 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:07.599 and some days is outright bad. 298 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.000 Oh, justin I'm having so much fun with this. Thank you. 299 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.000 Let's move on to number four of this list of yours, 300 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.680 and that is the game of golf must be taught 301 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:23.799 using a data driven approach. I'd like some explanation on 302 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:24.119 that one. 303 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:27.400 I mean, that's the buzzword right now, right with artificial intelligence, 304 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:31.039 but it's it's basically making. It's going back again to 305 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:35.119 point one, that finding. So you've got the guy's KPI, 306 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:42.319 But is your diagnosis of his swing law accurate or not? 307 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:47.000 Like people talk of all your stings outside in okay, 308 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.680 for a twenty four handicap, but you don't really need 309 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:55.200 camera to see that. You can tell from his movement pattern. 310 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.960 You can tell from the big old slice or the 311 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:02.440 pull he's hitten. But what about for a zero handicap 312 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.559 a scratch player, do you really know whether it's in 313 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:12.240 three degrees into out or is it six? And the 314 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:16.160 face to path is it three one point five? We 315 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:19.799 don't know until you put him in front of track 316 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.960 man of some Rada device. So things like that you 317 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.000 want to be making. You want to make sure that 318 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:32.119 as an instructor, you're truly working on cause and effect 319 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:39.039 and not spurious correlation. And if your instructor is just guessing, 320 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:43.240 then maybe the solution that has come up coming up 321 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:48.839 with is just guess work, and one day it works 322 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:53.119 because of luck, next day it doesn't work. As an instructor, 323 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:57.119 you want to be effective, meaning to say that everything 324 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:04.680 you work on produces a correct result. Again, I quote 325 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.319 Jim Hardy. It says that if the next ball is 326 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.440 not better, then either the student is not doing it 327 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.720 correctly or you gave the wrong diagnosis. The only way 328 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.720 to ensure a correct diagnosis is to make sure you've 329 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:24.039 got the tools to provide the facts. Why guess when 330 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:29.759 you can measure when you go to a physician. Imagine 331 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:34.880 the physicians say, oh, let me guess what you have. 332 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:42.400 Nobody would stay in that triage if the physician says, 333 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.640 I'm going to guess what's the cause of your problem? 334 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:51.480 But instead, physicians have a defined list, They have instruments 335 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.440 they can use to verify your condition. And it must 336 00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:00.839 be the same when it comes to golf instruction. And 337 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.640 that brings me to the next part of the golf swing. 338 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:09.400 The golf swing it nive number five. The golf swing 339 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.319 is not a beauty contest. Just look at Jim Fury. 340 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.920 Let me give you. Let me give you some statistics. 341 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:23.200 Jim shot fifty eight and fifty nine into separate PGA 342 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:29.400 Tour events. He has career earnings of seventy one and 343 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:34.160 a half million dollars. Let's take that in. Let us 344 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.960 just pause and dig that in. I know of a 345 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.960 lot of professional golfers who would want to do that, 346 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:49.759 who would want to achieve that. So your swing system, 347 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.759 as a coach, it's got to be robust enough to 348 00:23:52.880 --> 00:24:00.759 explain why esthetically displeasing swings can produce a concert in ballfler. 349 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.480 It may not look the way you want it to look, 350 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:11.599 it may not look to your definition of beauty, but 351 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:16.640 we still need to understand why that works. So we're 352 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:21.039 talking about having a robust string system. So it's not 353 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.599 just about looking at the golf swing from a certain perspective. 354 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.880 You need to be able to understand all the different 355 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:37.359 systems out there so that your swing system can explain anomally. 356 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:44.240 Actually it's not really an anomaly. If a swing can 357 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:53.680 produce consistently low scores, it behooves the instructor understand why 358 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:58.000 it works. And if you don't understand why, it's because 359 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.799 your string system and you're understand standing is lacking. It's 360 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.359 not complete. And the great instructors that I know, like 361 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:11.759 Butch Harmon, Thought Harmon, Peek Cowen, they don't. When you 362 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.440 look at all of their students, all of their swings 363 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.640 look sally different. You can't you can't shoebox them and say, hey, 364 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:24.839 that's Butch Harmon's guy. Those are those guys are Peak 365 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:32.440 Cowvin's guy. Because what every human is built differently proportionally. Sure, 366 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:36.200 we have we have generally we have one hit, we 367 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.759 have two arms, we've got two legs, but the proportions 368 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.119 of them in relation to one another differs. And because 369 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.599 they differ, by design, all the swings should look different. 370 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:55.079 And that's another very important point for golfers to understand 371 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.680 that the golf swing is not a beauty contest that 372 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.640 you don't have have to try to swing like fill 373 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.480 in the blank here, Adam. Your body has your own 374 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:11.440 yeah right, your your body has its own limitations. You 375 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:16.200 may not work that hard at your body, you know, 376 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.279 to be a have a golfer's body, and you may 377 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.599 but don't have expectations of what it's supposed to look like. 378 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.799 And you know, like every for the years that I've 379 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:29.960 been pretty much in my whole life recording people or 380 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.640 even taking photographs. There's so many people go, I hate 381 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.519 the way I sound I when I hear a recording 382 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.759 of myself. Well that's what you sound like. Well that's 383 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.400 what your golf swing looks like. I hate my photo. 384 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:46.720 I hate the way I look in this picture. That's 385 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.279 because that's what you look like. I'm sorry, And that's 386 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:51.599 what your golf swing looks like. 387 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:54.799 Yeah, okay, you know, at some level, I think we 388 00:26:54.839 --> 00:27:01.119 should celebrate our differences rather than I would be something 389 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:05.160 that we are really not. You know, if golf, if 390 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.880 the golf sing is the be all and end all 391 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:13.319 of the game of golf, then Adam Scott should have 392 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:19.640 a career that's close to Tiger Woods. What because I 393 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:24.640 think when he came out his golf swing looked almost 394 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:29.240 like a replica of Tiger Woods sing. But we know 395 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:34.839 that his career his great career, but it's never mentioned 396 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:39.119 at the same in the same conversation as Tiger Woods. 397 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.039 So the game of golf is more than just the 398 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.079 golf swing. We need to remember that. 399 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.240 So what separates those two guys? 400 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:53.440 What from your perspective, Obviously it's a mental approach to 401 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:57.400