Speaker 1: There is always great to have Eric on. We've been
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Speaker 1: Peter's good to have you Eric, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: David is exasperating, isn't it to have to just constantly
Speaker 3: construct the language.
Speaker 2: I was listening to you.
Speaker 3: A little bit before about while we were waiting to
Speaker 3: go on, and you were talking about this business with
Speaker 3: the strike and the unions, and it occurred to me
Speaker 3: that there's sort of a rough analogy there between the
Speaker 3: way we're represented by senators and congressman.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have the option to say no,
Speaker 2: and that based.
Speaker 3: An oxymoron, because you know, if you don't have the
Speaker 3: proxy power to tell your so called representative do this
Speaker 3: and only this and do not do that. And by
Speaker 3: the way, I only want you to do it. If
Speaker 3: I say okay, then he's not representing you. He's presuming
Speaker 3: to represent you. And that's a distinction and that I
Speaker 3: think is important to me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's very much like politics. You know. I
Speaker 1: didn't have any He never asked me, are you gonna
Speaker 1: hate down there? You know, you want to change any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I hated the way that they had
Speaker 1: this stuff structured. And it wasn't even just the wage levels.
Speaker 1: It was also, you know, the ways that they would
Speaker 1: have they would mandate how the fees are supposed to
Speaker 1: be split up within the band, and that's one of
Speaker 1: the ways that they would get the band leader who
Speaker 1: actually owned the band to sign up with the union
Speaker 1: because he'd get a double share, you know, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden kinds so they give these little incentives
Speaker 1: to people to work with them, to join with them,
Speaker 1: and then you either, you know, you either do that
Speaker 1: or you can't have a job. And so yeah, it
Speaker 1: is a very rigged process that we see with all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm off youa you know, and and I've
Speaker 3: been covering this stuff for thirty years in the car industry.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing. I don't necessarily have an issue
Speaker 3: with unions per se, provided that they are voluntary. If
Speaker 3: you wish to join a union, that's fine, that's your prerogative.
Speaker 3: You should certainly have that right. But there's something just
Speaker 3: surreal almost about like you said, if you want to
Speaker 3: have this job, you.
Speaker 2: Must join this union.
Speaker 3: You must hand over money to these people who then
Speaker 3: presume to be your representative somehow. I mean, it's doubly
Speaker 3: obnoxious because they are presuming to represent you and then
Speaker 3: they're taking money out of your pocket, and they're using
Speaker 3: threats of extortion that if you don't do this, we're
Speaker 3: going to you know, we're going to just kick.
Speaker 2: You out of here, and you're not going to have
Speaker 2: a job.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, we have some right to work states
Speaker 1: where you are not required to they can't require you
Speaker 1: to join the union to have a job. But then
Speaker 1: we have some states where that's not there. And in
Speaker 1: the situation that I was in in the music union,
Speaker 1: you were really required to do it because if they
Speaker 1: didn't hire all union people, then that restaurant or whatever,
Speaker 1: that club would get blackballed by the union, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't get anyway. So it's this this coersive collectivist thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and every level, the way they would twist
Speaker 1: people's arms. I really really did hate it.
Speaker 3: When I started my career back in the print days,
Speaker 3: the the people who were in the composing room, which
Speaker 3: was the place for back in the day, they would
Speaker 3: physically put the pages of the newspaper together. They would
Speaker 3: the machine would spit out, you're familiar with that. And
Speaker 3: one time I happened to be down there and I
Speaker 3: happened to glance at something on the editorial page of
Speaker 3: the dummy that for the morning's paper, and I noticed
Speaker 3: that there was something missing, that somehow a sentence had
Speaker 3: been cut out. So on my own I went ahead
Speaker 3: and spat out the machine a new piece of thing,
Speaker 3: and I put it in and there was practically a
Speaker 3: tactical nuclear explosion that I you know, who was supposed
Speaker 3: to be upstairs and the editorial offices had dared to
Speaker 3: trespass upon the you know, the fiefdoms of these union people.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a big deal. Oh it was
Speaker 2: a huge, big deal. And said, hey, okay, great, thank
Speaker 2: you for fixing that for us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And they do that with conventions still to this.
Speaker 1: You know, people had come in and they would have
Speaker 1: booths to set up. And I've been involved on both
Speaker 1: sides of that, both as an attendee of the conventions
Speaker 1: and somebody's setting up. You don't do certain things. You
Speaker 1: got to wait for the particular union representative to come
Speaker 1: there and give you an extension court and you better
Speaker 1: not do anything else without calling one of these electrical
Speaker 1: union representatives.
Speaker 3: It weren't so tragic because we're all paying for this.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons why the cost that everything is
Speaker 3: going through the roof is because you've thought all of
Speaker 3: this dead weight and all of this inertia and bureaucracy
Speaker 3: that has to be overcome before anything can get done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Well, it absolutely is crazy. I sent
Speaker 1: you this clip of a of a Tesla charging station
Speaker 1: that has submerged. They got all these Tesla chargers and
Speaker 1: they're standing in water, and the caption says, you thought
Speaker 1: smoking it the gas pump was risky? You want to go, boy.
Speaker 3: We can attack this from so many different angles. One
Speaker 3: of them is that when those when there's a danger
Speaker 3: of a flood, they will shut off the high voltage
Speaker 3: electricity to things like the electric chargers because of the
Speaker 3: obvious danger that that presents. So now you've got the
Speaker 3: problem of well, I've gotten my electric vehicle, how am
Speaker 3: I going to get out of the path of the
Speaker 3: hurricane before, you know, before.
Speaker 2: I get killed?
Speaker 3: And you can't because they've shut the current off to it.
Speaker 3: Oh and if that hasn't happened yet, So you're sitting
Speaker 3: there with waiting while the water is rising, rising, rising,
Speaker 3: you know. And if you wait there too long, then
Speaker 3: then your electric car is going to go up and smoke.
Speaker 3: I just posted an article about it. For all videos
Speaker 3: coming out of the areas that were affected by the
Speaker 3: aftermath of the hurricane that show electric cars erupting in flames,
Speaker 3: there's one in Florida. There's another one that I've got
Speaker 3: in the article on the site. And the reason for
Speaker 3: that I thought of a really clever at least I
Speaker 3: thought it was a way to understand this. Do you remember
Speaker 3: the original Star Wars where Little destroys the Death Star
Speaker 3: by exploiting the Death Star's weakness. There's a ventilation duck
Speaker 3: that he fires in the missile and it goes into
Speaker 3: the ventilation duck and it goes to the very core of
Speaker 3: the dust Star and blows it up. These are kind
Speaker 3: of like that. They have a vent for that battery
Speaker 3: and if the water new fence and gets in there,
Speaker 3: then boom, there goes to the death star.
Speaker 1: The last thing you hear is are two D two
Speaker 1: goo and then pop. Yeah, it is it's funny when
Speaker 1: we look at this stuff, but it absolutely is crazy
Speaker 1: and uh and yet you know when you look at this,
Speaker 1: one of the things that you talk about all the
Speaker 1: time is electric power windows, and it made me think
Speaker 1: about this. I've got a friend who's got a Tesla.
Speaker 1: He loves it. I've driven the Tesla. I enjoyed driving it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to own one because the charging issues,
Speaker 1: expense issues and things like that, but I really did
Speaker 1: enjoy driving. It was a very different experience because you know,
Speaker 1: with a m Mark, with a Miata, it's a momentum car, right,
Speaker 1: you don't have a whole lot of horsepower, so you
Speaker 1: want to keep that momentum through the curves and all
Speaker 1: the rest of the stuff. Right. But with that car,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like you step on the gas.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like when you would run the electric
Speaker 1: slot cars. When I was a kid, right, you move
Speaker 1: the lever and it's you know, and then when you
Speaker 1: pull the level immediately stops. And that's the way this
Speaker 1: thing is. So it's really kind of a strange thing.
Speaker 1: But he got stuck in his Tesla because he couldn't
Speaker 1: get the doors to open because everything is under control,
Speaker 1: and he was stuck in this car and had to
Speaker 1: get had to call Tesla and get them to sign
Speaker 1: into his car whatever and fix his car remotely so
Speaker 1: he could get out of it. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: not even that's a worst case scenario. We're talking about
Speaker 1: a flood or something like that. Can you imagine, you know,
Speaker 1: it gets everything is under software control, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you got some water there. Now the computer's not working,
Speaker 1: you can't get out of the door, and then it's
Speaker 1: and then even in other cars, not even in a
Speaker 1: Tesla or an EV. You've got a situation where now
Speaker 1: almost all cars have electric windows. And I think about
Speaker 1: that with a fly. Years ago, we used to do
Speaker 1: product videos for a company that did promotional products, and
Speaker 1: it was a very big thing, especially in Europe and Germany.
Speaker 1: People would want to have these little things. They would
Speaker 1: be like maybe a you know, a bottle opener and
Speaker 1: a thing to smash your window, or a flashlight and
Speaker 1: the thing to smash your window. But it was always
Speaker 1: it always had this, you know, pointed metal tip so
Speaker 1: you could use it to break the window and get
Speaker 1: out in case your car went into water. Because everybody
Speaker 1: had electric windows. And it really is crazy when we
Speaker 1: make ourselves with the complexity we put ourselves at the
Speaker 1: mercy of these types of things. You know, I was
Speaker 1: It wasn't until my fifth car that I had electric windows.
Speaker 1: They were all manual cranks. But now it's standard. Even
Speaker 1: the cheap cars got electric windows well.
Speaker 3: And they've compounded the problem on Tesla. And it's not
Speaker 3: just Tesla, some other manufacturers are doing this too. They
Speaker 3: are laminating the side glass.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: You know, we shield glasses laminated because you don't want
Speaker 3: the glass to shatter in the event that you have
Speaker 3: in accident. The problem is needing side glasses. You can't
Speaker 3: break it, you know, now your car. That poor woman
Speaker 3: what was she use? Sister in law of the Secretary
Speaker 3: of Transportation, somebody I remember who it chose, I think
Speaker 3: what her name was. This happened a few months ago.
Speaker 3: She was leading a party. I guess in her tesla,
Speaker 3: and she inadvertently backed up into a pond to remember this.
Speaker 2: She ended up there.
Speaker 3: Browning and it was so emotion She would have had
Speaker 3: plenty of time to get out of the car ordinarily,
Speaker 3: but she couldn't because aid of the windows wouldn't go
Speaker 3: down and apparently the side glasses land made so the
Speaker 3: people who were trying to get her out of there
Speaker 3: couldn't smash the glass, and she ended up browning and dying.
Speaker 1: Wow, because the door is under software control, that type
Speaker 1: of thing. It truly is amazing when we see this
Speaker 1: and again as part of the cost that we have
Speaker 1: to pay because everybody's got the electric windows. It's absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: You said there.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to make because
Speaker 3: I do think it's important. There is a subtle cost
Speaker 3: that we're all paying in the form of increased insurance
Speaker 3: costs for all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: And I don't have an issue with somebody who has
Speaker 3: the money and wants to go out and buy a
Speaker 3: fifty thousand or seventy thousand dollars vehicle that has all
Speaker 3: of these electronics and power accessories and so on, but
Speaker 3: they ought to pay the full cost for covering that.
Speaker 3: I don't have a vehicle like that, and I don't
Speaker 3: see why I ought to help, as they say, shoulder
Speaker 3: the cost of that.
Speaker 2: But yet we are.
Speaker 3: We're also paying for the costs incurred by all of
Speaker 3: these evs and the fires that are happening when an
Speaker 3: eed burns down in a garage and takes the house
Speaker 3: out along with it.
Speaker 2: Now, not only do.
Speaker 3: You have to replace a fifty or sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: electric car, you have to replace a half a million
Speaker 3: dollars worth of property damage on top of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely. And when we talk about insurance
Speaker 1: companies looking for excuses to raise the rates and everything
Speaker 1: the stuff that's I reported on it, but it was
Speaker 1: a far more extensive video talking about the way that
Speaker 1: the car manufacturers have a spot on us in so
Speaker 1: many different ways, and how they're constantly sending reports to
Speaker 1: the insurance companies. People are like, how come my insurance
Speaker 1: rates doubled and anything. They got to the bottom of it,
Speaker 1: and they found that there was this dossier that was
Speaker 1: compiled and sent to the insurance company about all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And of course the automobile companies are making a lot
Speaker 1: of money by collecting the data and then selling it
Speaker 1: to the insurance companies, and insurance companies can then raise
Speaker 1: your rates for any kind of arbitrary thing. Well you
Speaker 1: you stop too quickly. Well maybe I stopped quickly because
Speaker 1: the car in front of me stopped quickly. You know.
Speaker 1: It's they don't even they can't even validate the reason
Speaker 1: for doing this, but they just have to have a pretense.
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, the insurance costs are going through the roof.
Speaker 1: The cars are actually surveillance devices. Now, they're not just
Speaker 1: as you and I've been talking about for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's like a giant smartphone. It's got all these bells
Speaker 1: and whistles and gadgets on it and everything. But just
Speaker 1: like a smartphone, it's constantly surveilling and reporting on you.
Speaker 1: And that that also is incredibly disgusting what these people are.
Speaker 3: I look at another way too, it's a metric of
Speaker 3: the decline of civilization. I mean in the sense of civility,
Speaker 3: and that there's something really barbarous about your privacy being
Speaker 3: invaded in the effrontery and the arrogance of the car
Speaker 3: companies that will do that to you, you know, and
Speaker 3: they do it, and they do it, you know, in
Speaker 3: a way that is really greasy, and they don't tell
Speaker 3: you there's no informed consent. They don't say, hey, by
Speaker 3: the way, your cars equipped with cameras and microphones, would
Speaker 3: you mind, would it be okay with you? You know,
Speaker 3: if we if we collected this data because it might
Speaker 3: be helpful to us and to you, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: You don't have that opportunity.
Speaker 2: They just do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, in my mind, no different than somebody just
Speaker 3: marching into your house is having to look around, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, just because they can or.
Speaker 1: They conceal it. And that's massive terms of service type
Speaker 1: of thing, right and change it. You know, by the way,
Speaker 1: you didn't notice this, but you clicked okay on this.
Speaker 1: You've got an article talking about hybrids. Don't buy a hybrid,
Speaker 1: you said, And this is the thing that people are
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the car companies are really pushing
Speaker 1: this because nobody wants to buy a car that they
Speaker 1: have to that they only have the option of charging.
Speaker 1: It takes a long time, it's expensive, but you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're moving towards the hybrids because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: all right, it's a little bit less. But that's not
Speaker 1: going to satisfy the regulators, and only you can down
Speaker 1: the road just a little bit, because people will not
Speaker 1: attack this lie at its foundation, which is the CO
Speaker 1: two stuff. Because of that, everybody is trying to ignore
Speaker 1: the elephant in the room, the massive lie, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to comply with it one way or the other
Speaker 1: without really rocking the boat. But talk about why you
Speaker 1: say hybrids are not a great thing for people.
Speaker 3: Well, let's start with what you just said in that essentially,
Speaker 3: they're not addressing the fundamental issue. They're hoping that they
Speaker 3: can comply their way out of this, like the people
Speaker 3: who continue to wear the face masks during the pandemic,
Speaker 3: which just imply our way out of this.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: No, they won't because eventually it's not going to be
Speaker 3: good enough, and they'll come up with yet another reason
Speaker 3: to outlaw the hybrids. Hybrids and I don't have an
Speaker 3: issue with them as such, but they are fundamentally compliance fars.
Speaker 3: What do I mean by that, Well, they are the
Speaker 3: only realistic way to achieve high gas mileage at this
Speaker 3: point because the government has issued regulations that have increased
Speaker 3: the weight of cars to such a degree that it's
Speaker 3: almost unbelievable. Compact cars now were typically close to three
Speaker 3: thousand pounds, and that's the reason why they get, relatively speaking,
Speaker 3: pretty poor gas mileage. Most of them get maybe thirty five,
Speaker 3: maybe forty miles per gallon on the highway. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: pretty awful when you reflect and go back forty years
Speaker 3: and find that cars were doing better than that forty
Speaker 3: years ago. And the reason they were doing better than
Speaker 3: that without all the technology that we have today's because
Speaker 3: they were light. Simple. You know, it's just that simple.
Speaker 3: So hybrids are a way to advertise higher gas knowledge.
Speaker 3: But of course you're paying for that when you buy
Speaker 3: the hybrid. You know, a Toyota Prius starts around twenty
Speaker 3: eight thousand bucks, so great, you know, it gets fifty
Speaker 3: six miles for gallon, but you're paying ten thousand dollars more,
Speaker 3: roughly than you would have to pay for, let's say
Speaker 3: an entry level economy car if it were light. And
Speaker 3: if that entry level economy car got fifty or sixty
Speaker 3: miles per gallon, you just saved ten thousand dollars and
Speaker 3: a lot of money down the road and gas too.
Speaker 3: So and the other thing that I get into in
Speaker 3: the article is the sort of subtle and hit more
Speaker 3: hidden cost in that, just like an electric car, eventually
Speaker 3: it will take longer, but eventually the battery in the
Speaker 3: electric car is going to wear out, and it's a
Speaker 3: battery in the hybrid is going to wear out, and
Speaker 3: eventually you will have to replace it if you keep
Speaker 3: the car beyond the point when that battery is no
Speaker 3: longer serviceable, and you're looking at potentially two thousand dollars
Speaker 3: for the battery plus the cost of labor. So there
Speaker 3: it goes with a resaved in gas right there too. No,
Speaker 3: it's just all of this artificiality, all of these these
Speaker 3: solutions to problems that are created by government. It's like
Speaker 3: that old saw about the guy who breaks your legs
Speaker 3: and then gives you some crutches so that you can
Speaker 3: hobble down the road a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I think probably a good analogy for the hybrids
Speaker 1: is hybrids are like preferred pronouns.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a really good rid.
Speaker 1: If you play along with it, they're only going to
Speaker 1: come up with something else. So just stop it right
Speaker 1: now and call it for what it is. It's insanity,
Speaker 1: it's lunacy. I'm not playing along with this game. I'm
Speaker 1: not playing your preferred hybrid. Your preferred hybrids are your
Speaker 1: preferred pronouns either. I love what you put in your
Speaker 1: article that those who rationalize this loss of time or
Speaker 1: range or pick are like the Parsons, the character in
Speaker 1: the in Orwell's nineteen eighty four who eagerly tout how
Speaker 1: Big Brother has increased the chocolate ration while everybody knows
Speaker 1: that has actually been reduced.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's it is a
Speaker 3: form of derangement, you know, I have to deal with
Speaker 3: this on an almost the early basis. The evy apologists
Speaker 3: say things like, oh, well, I don't have to wait
Speaker 3: because I'm at home doing other things all my electric
Speaker 3: car charges. Well, that's like saying, you know, I've got
Speaker 3: I've got a contractor. He said he's going to come
Speaker 3: sometime between twelve and six today. But I guess I'll
Speaker 3: do something else, you know, around the house while I'm
Speaker 3: waiting for the sky to show.
Speaker 2: They're still waiting.
Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that you're doing something else while
Speaker 3: you wait doesn't change the fact that you're waiting. When
Speaker 3: you go to the dentist and you're sitting in the
Speaker 3: waiting room, reading the magazine you're waiting for the dentists.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When we look at this and where this is all going,
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about for the longest time.
Speaker 1: They're going to get everybody loaded up with evs and
Speaker 1: then they're going to shut down power grid. Well, that's
Speaker 1: already happening. We've talked about that for years, and now
Speaker 1: they're rolling it out. Because now the EPA is setting
Speaker 1: its sites on the power companies that can be relied,
Speaker 1: on the power companies that are cheap, we'll be able
Speaker 1: to have some unreliable power that is going to be
Speaker 1: four to ten times more expensive than what we're paying
Speaker 1: each month. You got one hundred and fifty dollars bill,
Speaker 1: how about a fifteen hundred dollars a month bill, Because
Speaker 1: that's what you're going to get if we keep going
Speaker 1: down this road of this renewable grift, and that's what
Speaker 1: it is, is nothing other than a grift. You're going
Speaker 1: to wind up with something between one thousand and two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars every month just for electricity, and you're going
Speaker 1: to have brownouts and rationing and all the rest of
Speaker 1: the stuff. And they want everybody to put everything on
Speaker 1: the grid, but they're not going to put their critical
Speaker 1: systems on the grid. Their critical systems are artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: to surveil us, to propagandize us, to censor us. They're
Speaker 1: going to have their own separate power grid for that.
Speaker 1: But we're already seeing what you and I knew was
Speaker 1: going to happen. Move everybody over to the one preferred,
Speaker 1: the only allowed solution quote unquote to their imagined problem,
Speaker 1: just like with a vaccine, and then shut that down.
Speaker 1: And that's what it's already happening now.
Speaker 3: I think it's even worse than a mere grift, which
Speaker 3: would be bad, but you know, it's of a piece
Speaker 3: with some scam guy who takes your money and all
Speaker 3: you lost is your money. This is more significant because
Speaker 3: it's not just our money that they're after. They're after
Speaker 3: not only our freedom, they're after our basic quality of life.
Speaker 2: You know, things that we have.
Speaker 3: Taken for granted in this country for a very long time,
Speaker 3: like a refrigerator that works like hot water.
Speaker 2: In the house.
Speaker 3: It's not just the cars, it's energy. All this stuff
Speaker 3: has to do ultimately with rationing energy. It's not just
Speaker 3: the cars, it's everything they want to insurf us by
Speaker 3: reducing the availability of energy, either through outright rationing or
Speaker 3: through prices that are so high that most people just
Speaker 3: can't afford it in need.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. I've got a comment here from ratisbro
Speaker 1: and thank you for the tip. I appreciate that says
Speaker 1: I've delivered more than seven hundred Amazon packages in three days.
Speaker 1: I don't work for Amazon, only make nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: The post office is still out of contract. No one
Speaker 1: is being paid fairly. Who does a real job. That's right,
Speaker 1: They're just going to use people. You know. It's the
Speaker 1: same type of thing, Eric, that I said for the
Speaker 1: longest time when I talk about Travis Kalalnik, who is
Speaker 1: the founder CEO of Uber, and he sod, the reason
Speaker 1: that the reason that the Uber is expensive for you
Speaker 1: is because that other guy in the car, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy who owns the car, the guy who pays
Speaker 1: all of the maintenance and the gas and all the
Speaker 1: rest of the stuff. That guy's making your ride expensive. No,
Speaker 1: Travis Kalalnick and that corporation was getting largely a free
Speaker 1: ride off of this guy while they were working to
Speaker 1: set up their own cars and eliminate all drivers. It's
Speaker 1: just amazing how they manipulate people like that.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely spicule. Yeah, most of the people who are
Speaker 3: trying to streak up a living doing lubering and that
Speaker 3: sort of thing arly just that just barely screeping out
Speaker 3: of living. Whereas in the past, you know, if you
Speaker 3: called it a taxi driver, the taxi driver probably made
Speaker 3: a pretty decent living, you know, because the car was
Speaker 3: provided by the company. You know, he's working for the company,
Speaker 3: and the company took care of all the fleet maintenance stuff,
Speaker 3: not your personal vehicle.
Speaker 2: It's really a bad deal to.
Speaker 3: Use your personal car for something like that because you're
Speaker 3: putting miles on it, your wear and tearing it. You're
Speaker 3: paying for the fuel, the insurance and everything else, and
Speaker 3: you know you're making fifteen twenty bucks an hour, and
Speaker 3: it's going to end up not being a really good
Speaker 3: deal once you do the math.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, you have people who it was actually
Speaker 1: a small business. You know, it was a small business,
Speaker 1: like somebody would open up a barbershop or hair salon
Speaker 1: or an al salon or something like that. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that's left for us because Wall Street and
Speaker 1: trying to have taken over manufacturing and other things like that.
Speaker 1: Even most of the retail store so service businesses are
Speaker 1: kind of what's left. And so you had a lot
Speaker 1: of people who invested money into a taxi medallion, a
Speaker 1: license that was sold by the city. I remember doing
Speaker 1: a report. I was taking a taxi in Washington and
Speaker 1: I was talking to a guy about that, and it
Speaker 1: was maybe about eight or nine years ago, and he just,
Speaker 1: you know, started renting. I said, wait a minit, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, let me get my phone and I let
Speaker 1: him rent about what was happening, and he was furious.
Speaker 1: In Washington, d C. Said, yeah, they've got their own
Speaker 1: inspectors who come around and give a white glove inspection
Speaker 1: to your car. And he goes and if that isn't
Speaker 1: bad enough, that we got our own special police ticketing
Speaker 1: agency that is there. He said, if that's not bad enough,
Speaker 1: they're now going to require that you can't have a
Speaker 1: car that's got that's older than this number of years
Speaker 1: or has more than this number of miles. And this
Speaker 1: is before Gavin Newsom started doing that to diesel to
Speaker 1: semi trailers out in California, that we're going to the ports.
Speaker 1: But they said, you're going to require that we have
Speaker 1: a new car, and he goes, I take care of this.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I've got a couple hundred thousand miles
Speaker 1: on it. But he says, this thing is running fine.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend and I can't spend the
Speaker 1: money to buy a new taxi. And so they're seeing
Speaker 1: their the value of their medallion. These people invest a
Speaker 1: lot of money in this to get a license. That
Speaker 1: was their overhead cost to start their business, and now
Speaker 1: that is eviscerated. Absolutely sure, I want you there be
Speaker 1: a license for such things I mean across exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean if I want to provide a serves to
Speaker 3: people and people are willing to pay me, that should
Speaker 3: be a legal activity.
Speaker 2: The fact that that is in illegal.
Speaker 3: Activity as such, because we're not talking about any abuse,
Speaker 3: We're not talking about anybody being ripped, offerating harms, being costs.
Speaker 3: We're talking about a voluntary transaction between two willing parties.
Speaker 3: Why is the government involved in these things?
Speaker 1: Yes, right, Yeah, that's a taxi license scamm in and
Speaker 1: of itself, just already decade. Soel you go back to
Speaker 1: when there was a vibrant black middle class in the
Speaker 1: cities and One of the things that was helping them
Speaker 1: with that was the taxis would say, well, we're not
Speaker 1: going to go in the black sections of town. So
Speaker 1: quickly you started having people start providing the taxi service
Speaker 1: to their neighbors, and all of a sudden you had
Speaker 1: this JiTT andy taxi service type of thing. And then
Speaker 1: the cities come sweeping in and so we better pay
Speaker 1: a license for that kind of stuff. Shut all that
Speaker 1: stuff down. It was a classic case of entrepreneurism and
Speaker 1: a vibrant middle class that was working within the community.
Speaker 1: They can't have that. Everybody's got to pay them, you know,
Speaker 1: render to Caesar whatever Caesar demands.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's literally a revivification of feudalism in which
Speaker 3: you had to be part of the guild in order
Speaker 3: to practice whatever the trade was that you had, and
Speaker 3: if you didn't, if you operated outside of the guild,
Speaker 3: that was an offence and you could be you could
Speaker 3: be attacked and prosecuted for that. And it's a crazy
Speaker 3: thing when you think about it. You've got I've got
Speaker 3: a service, I've got a skill, i can do something.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, hey, would you like me to do this
Speaker 3: for you? And you say Yeah, that sounds good. I'll
Speaker 3: pay you. That's between us. It shouldn't be between anybody
Speaker 3: else period, you know, especially if nobody neither party is
Speaker 3: alleging that anybody's been defrauded or harmed in any way.
Speaker 1: That's right. And of course, you know, fifty sixty years ago,
Speaker 1: that was where the fight was. Now the fight is
Speaker 1: over our food because now they're doing that to the
Speaker 1: Amos millers and the Amish farm and stuff. No, you
Speaker 1: can't have raw milk, you can't have your own cows,
Speaker 1: and you can't give that to people. We're going to
Speaker 1: come in. You've got a voluntary market here. Nobody's sick.
Speaker 1: We're not saying anything has happened to anybody, but we're
Speaker 1: not going to allow that. And so this is going
Speaker 1: to be because we've allowed them to do this in
Speaker 1: these other areas and to set these precedents. Now they're
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. They're going to do the same
Speaker 1: thing to farms and for our food supply. It never ends.
Speaker 1: If you let these people establish these precedents, they never stop.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's extremely important to challenge the fundamental underlying principle
Speaker 3: and say no, we're not going to comply with that
Speaker 3: period hardstop.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: There's no quibbling about whose plan is better. There should
Speaker 3: be no plan.
Speaker 1: There should be no That's the other thing. Everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: where's the economic plan from Trump and La La, And
Speaker 1: it's like either one of them are going to say,
Speaker 1: I don't do centrally planned economies. I'm an American, They're.
Speaker 2: It sounds chaotic.
Speaker 3: I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk about this a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, and I think part of the
Speaker 3: lure of leftism and also the same thing on the right, frankly,
Speaker 3: is that some people fear what they perceive to be
Speaker 3: the chaos of decentralization. You know, they like the idea
Speaker 3: of this rigid centralized control apparatus, which they and I'm
Speaker 3: giving them the benefit of the doubt that they're not
Speaker 3: necessarily evil, that they think that that's just the better
Speaker 3: way to do things, but it really isn't. Decentralization works
Speaker 3: better because you've got all of these individuals making their
Speaker 3: own individual choices, and that is a way to sort
Speaker 3: of flesh out which choices actually are the better ones,
Speaker 3: because they succeed, whereas the bad ones fail. You know,
Speaker 3: failure becomes evident at a smaller scale, further down the pyramid,
Speaker 3: and so collectively you end up with something much better,
Speaker 3: which was why America was such a successful and prosperous
Speaker 3: country for so long, and particularly for working class people.
Speaker 3: You could be a working class guy and you could
Speaker 3: afford a single family home, maybe not a McMansion, but
Speaker 3: you could afford your own single family home. Your wife
Speaker 3: didn't have to work, she could stay home to raise
Speaker 3: your kids. You could afford two new cars every three years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's astounding to think that we had that
Speaker 3: once in this country, and bit by bit and piece
Speaker 3: by piece, it's just been taken away from us.
Speaker 1: You had a home, you had a new car, thatch
Speaker 1: your pointed everge three years. You take a family vacation.
Speaker 1: You can do it with one family income while you know,
Speaker 1: the mother actually was a mother and took care of
Speaker 1: the kids and that type of stuff. Now we've got
Speaker 1: both parents working and they got to farm the kids
Speaker 1: out now to have the government do day care for them,
Speaker 1: and so that has to be a right. It's amazing
Speaker 1: how we get trapped into this. As one of the
Speaker 1: things that really concerns me about the Maga cult, the
Speaker 1: fact that they are looking for a savior. This used
Speaker 1: to always be the hallmark of the Democrats, used to
Speaker 1: be one of the distinguishing features between the Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 1: They're looking for everything to be solved by government, and
Speaker 1: especially by Washington. Used to be, well, don't make a
Speaker 1: federal case out of it. Well, now everything is a
Speaker 1: federal case. And now the Conservatives want to make everything
Speaker 1: a federal case. Whatever is important to them, they want
Speaker 1: it solved in Washington, just like the liberals do. And
Speaker 1: you can hear everybody saying stuff like, well there ought
Speaker 1: to be a law about against that and everything. It's
Speaker 1: like no. But what you never hear anybody say is
Speaker 1: what's a free country, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Because we all understand that it no longer is. I
Speaker 3: think that's very revelatory.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Trump the other day said something, he tweeted out something
Speaker 3: about how if he's elected, he's going to slash the
Speaker 3: cost of car insurance by executive fiat or by opposing
Speaker 3: price controls, and all the red hats shared and clapped
Speaker 3: like seals, and I said, so, now we're clapping for
Speaker 3: price controls to the federal government as opposed to simply
Speaker 3: getting the government out of this thing and saying, okay, look,
Speaker 3: if a person wants to buy insurance, they have the
Speaker 3: right to choose to buy insurance. And that's the most
Speaker 3: effective way to deal with the cost of insurance, because
Speaker 3: if you can't make me buy what you're selling, then
Speaker 3: you can't force me to pay an exordinate price. It's
Speaker 3: such a simple thing, and people have lost sight of
Speaker 3: that fundamental elemental truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. Well, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the good old day. I like this when you
Speaker 1: do this at ep autos airpeters autos dot com. Some
Speaker 1: things that you can't do in a new car.
Speaker 2: We begin you want to pick Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Well, I like the way you introduced. That's just like
Speaker 1: you can't board a commercial airplane anymore, but at first
Speaker 1: being subjected to some sort of obedience training that you
Speaker 1: used to have to break a law and get arrested
Speaker 1: before this kind of stuff happened to you.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the reason I put that in
Speaker 3: there and I italicized it to emphasize it, and then
Speaker 3: later on in the article I explained why I did that.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a really important thing because it's
Speaker 3: such a revelatory thing about the truth about what's going on.
Speaker 3: If you fly privately, you don't have to go through
Speaker 3: obedience training. Yeah, so it's only for the human cattle,
Speaker 3: the bipedal cattle to go to the airport to fly commercially.
Speaker 3: They're subjected to this. Insensibly, they're told, well, you got
Speaker 3: to do this because that's how we prevent the terrorists
Speaker 3: from getting an airplane and crashing it into a building.
Speaker 3: Yet somehow these same terriffs are too poor to charter
Speaker 3: an airplane if they wanted to know. It's just again,
Speaker 3: it's just a way to give the lie to what
Speaker 3: they're telling us, just the same as they tell us
Speaker 3: that it's imperative that everybody drive an electric car because
Speaker 3: there's this existential threat of climate change. And yet we're
Speaker 3: not allowed to have the sub ten thousand dollars evs
Speaker 3: that are really available all over the rest of the world,
Speaker 3: which actually would be good for first time people, older
Speaker 3: people who just need a basic little A to B
Speaker 3: kind of a car.
Speaker 2: Why can't they have that? Oh yeah, instead really can have.
Speaker 3: Our forty thousand dollars high performance electric cars. Well, if
Speaker 3: there's an existential threat, it isn't a high performance and
Speaker 3: all of that kind of superfluous. It just again it
Speaker 3: shows the disingenuousness and the maliciousness behind these people. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: now to back, I'm sorry I drifted about.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean I've talked about My audience has
Speaker 1: heard it many times. I've probably never told you Eric.
Speaker 1: You know, we came across there was a lawsuit when
Speaker 1: they rolled out these body scanners and did the pat
Speaker 1: downs and body scanning, and so there was a pushback
Speaker 1: in Texas at the time, and a state representative there
Speaker 1: got it unanimously passed in Texas that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to allow that kind of stuff to happen. And so
Speaker 1: then they came back and said, well, if you don't
Speaker 1: allow that, we're going to make Texas a no fly zone.
Speaker 1: And so the lieutenant governor who was head of the Senate,
Speaker 1: he was a former CIA guy who they set up
Speaker 1: in the oil business and became a multimillionaire, and he
Speaker 1: bought his office. He paid more for his office than
Speaker 1: anybody had ever paid to get elected the state office
Speaker 1: in Texas. He stopped it in the Senate. They went
Speaker 1: through that exercise twice. Well, while all that was going on.
Speaker 1: There was a lawsuit that came a couple of years
Speaker 1: later from an engineer who came after them, and during
Speaker 1: discovery he got them to show some documents. Now, when
Speaker 1: they posted this up on the government website where they
Speaker 1: show the lawsuits, pacer dot gov, they accidentally put up
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours the unredacted lawsuit. And then
Speaker 1: they caught their mistake and they put up the redacted
Speaker 1: lawsuit so we could see what they didn't want us
Speaker 1: to see. And what they didn't want us to see
Speaker 1: was at the same time all this fight was going
Speaker 1: on in Texas. They said, the TSA said in their
Speaker 1: internal documents, there is no threat to airports or airplane
Speaker 1: They know it, We know it. They know it. We
Speaker 1: all play along with this game. It's like George orwell
Speaker 1: time you see Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only outside of this once you realize it,
Speaker 3: is that the scales fall from your eyes and you
Speaker 3: understand what you're dealing with, and that if anything is
Speaker 3: positive about what's occurred over the last five years, in particular,
Speaker 3: it's that I think that the naive trust that a
Speaker 3: lot of people have had in the institutions has been
Speaker 3: shaken profoundly, and these people no longer just implicitly trust
Speaker 3: what they're told, and that's healthy and we may actually
Speaker 3: manage to pull ourselves out of that if enough people
Speaker 3: begin to take that point of view.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, early on the show, when I talked about
Speaker 1: what's happening north North Carolina and in Tennessee, there was
Speaker 1: a North Carolina legislator realtor who said, this is what's happening, folks,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of looting that's happening. And share
Speaker 1: officer told me that you need to have your gun
Speaker 1: and keep the safety off because he says really dangerous.
Speaker 1: And she said, yeah, people are getting desperate. But she
Speaker 1: was talking about how people needed help, and she said,
Speaker 1: you can't trust any of these institutions. You certainly can't
Speaker 1: trust the government to help you, and you can't trust
Speaker 1: most of these charitable institutions. So find somebody who's actually
Speaker 1: going to distribute this locally, you know, find churches or
Speaker 1: other things like that, and give them your money, because
Speaker 1: nobody trusts the institutions anymore, and for a very good reason.
Speaker 1: But the good part of it is that many people
Speaker 1: have awakened to this, and so there is some hope
Speaker 1: in all of that. But let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: the things that you can't do in a car. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned not being able to spend the tires.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because all cars now have track control and you
Speaker 3: can't lock up the tires anymore either because of ABS.
Speaker 3: And paradoxically interestingly to me, because it's about it's kind
Speaker 3: of a demonstration cas point of the law of unintended consequences.
Speaker 3: ABS has been with us now for what thirty something
Speaker 3: forty years even, and tailgating is now worse than ever.
Speaker 2: And I think that there is a.
Speaker 3: Direct relationship between the ubiquity of anti lock breaks and
Speaker 3: tailgating because people now feel confident that they can tailgate
Speaker 3: because oh, I've got ABS, so I'm not going to
Speaker 3: lose control of my car. It's not going to go
Speaker 3: into a skid and run right into the car ahead
Speaker 3: of me. So you know, in the past, when a
Speaker 3: car didn't have ABS, and you and I learned to
Speaker 3: drive on cars that didn't have ABS, it was out
Speaker 3: of pure self interest, intelligent to maintain an adequate following
Speaker 3: distance between your car and the vehicle ahead of you,
Speaker 3: because you knew if you didn't, you were not going
Speaker 3: to be able to stop the car in time. Probably
Speaker 3: now people have this point of view that, well, the
Speaker 3: car is going to keep me safe, and so in fact,
Speaker 3: fatalities are going up, ironically, even though we have all
Speaker 3: of this safety technology that's being embedded in all the vehicles,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people see that and then they say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I can slack off in this. Yeah. I grew up
Speaker 1: spending the tires. I was a sixteen year old with
Speaker 1: a couple of buddies in high school and they used
Speaker 1: to egg me on to spend the tires and Mustang
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 3: Another about it too, If you grow up with those
Speaker 3: kinds of vehicles, you really do learn about vehicle dynamics
Speaker 3: and how to control a car. Yeah, Whereas now they're
Speaker 3: so anesthetized, these new cars. You know, they're deceptive in
Speaker 3: a way because they feel so very controllable, and they are.
Speaker 3: But the problem with that is that they tend to
Speaker 3: encourage people who don't have the skills to push the
Speaker 3: limit in the car. So now they're driving it considerably
Speaker 3: faster and maybe more aggressively in a corner when they
Speaker 3: don't really have the skills to deal with it. If
Speaker 3: they get to the point in the car where the
Speaker 3: safety systems are not going to be a sufficient safety
Speaker 3: net to get them out of trouble if it happens.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, Yeah, I went to limit and beyond
Speaker 1: many times.
Speaker 2: Yeh, sure me too.
Speaker 1: I had my guardian, Angel was working overtime. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's going to have to sit down and talk to
Speaker 1: me about that at some point in time. But I
Speaker 1: had a lot of experiences with my buddies in high school.
Speaker 1: We did all kinds of crazy stuff. And you can't
Speaker 1: do jay turns anymore. You can't do Rockfords, right.
Speaker 2: That's all back now that you can watch on retro TV.
Speaker 3: But there's some of the prosaic things that you can't
Speaker 3: do anymore that I feel like we've been kind of
Speaker 3: jypped in a way from you know, in the past.
Speaker 2: To give you an.
Speaker 3: Example, because you know, I'm a Firebird guy and I've
Speaker 3: been into these cars for a long time.
Speaker 2: I have a trans am.
Speaker 3: But let's say that I hadn't been able to afford
Speaker 3: to get a transam and I just got the base Firebird. Well,
Speaker 3: I could always go to a junk yard and I
Speaker 3: could get the neat formula steering wheel from a junk transam,
Speaker 3: and I could get the upgraded seats from that car
Speaker 3: if I wanted to, and I could just literally physically
Speaker 3: unbolt them from one car and bolt them into the
Speaker 3: other car.
Speaker 2: You can't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: These cars are now an integrated package of components that
Speaker 3: are all tied into to one another. So basically, whatever
Speaker 3: you bought when you bought the car, that's it. There's
Speaker 3: very little that you can do at all in terms
Speaker 3: of altering the car once you've bought it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's true. Yeah, although I did you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the nice things I like about Amiata.
Speaker 1: There's a big aftermarket for it apart and everything, maybe
Speaker 1: more so than anything else. And so, you know, all
Speaker 1: these things you're talking about. Steering wheel made me think
Speaker 1: I swapped out my steering wheel. I had to get
Speaker 1: rid of the of the airbag. But there are places
Speaker 1: that you can find out how to do that.
Speaker 2: It can be done.
Speaker 1: Harder exactly.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I think pretty much every new car now has earbags
Speaker 3: embedded in the seat. And now, of course, because of that,
Speaker 3: the seat is now part of the safety system and
Speaker 3: it's all wired in and plugged in and if you
Speaker 3: meddle with any of that, you're going to end up
Speaker 3: causing yourself all kinds of problems. It's just not worth
Speaker 3: even trying to do it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. In my particular case,
Speaker 1: it was because I wanted to go to I want
Speaker 1: to go to a smaller diameter wheel because I just
Speaker 1: like that better. You know, I thought the other one
Speaker 1: was a bit big, so I want a smaller diameter wheel.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can. It is increasingly more difficult. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. You go back and you look
Speaker 1: at the people who would put in big engines into
Speaker 1: me on it, which I was never really interested in
Speaker 1: because it's just not the character of the car, right.
Speaker 1: But they got companies out in Colorado called Flying Miata
Speaker 1: and they would cram in Corvette engines and the small
Speaker 1: Miadas anything. Those things are crazy. But then you know
Speaker 1: that creates all all the kinds of problems because now
Speaker 1: you got to put in a transmission that doesn't shift
Speaker 1: as nicely as the Miada thing did and stuff. But
Speaker 1: they did that with first and second generation. They were
Speaker 1: even able to do it with a little bit more
Speaker 1: difficulty in the third generation. But when they got to
Speaker 1: the fourth generation. It was so computerized it took them
Speaker 1: a very long time to get it, and they still
Speaker 1: had a lot of bugs in it, and they had
Speaker 1: to hire people who were computer experts to get around
Speaker 1: all of the computerized stuff. So it is getting impossible
Speaker 1: to modify the cars, truly is Yeah.
Speaker 3: And getting back to the thing we were talking about
Speaker 3: earlier with regard to insurance costs, a friend of mine
Speaker 3: who lives down the road for me has a late
Speaker 3: model sub up and she dinged the driver's side door
Speaker 3: and you look at it and think, well, no big deal,
Speaker 3: you know, just pull out that dent and you know,
Speaker 3: and touch it up and good to go. Turns out
Speaker 3: she got a couple of estimates from various body shops
Speaker 3: and they wanted on the low end twenty two hundred dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And the reason why is because they don't bother with
Speaker 3: trying to fix the doors anymore. They just replace them.
Speaker 3: And you have to replace everything because of the body
Speaker 3: control units, modules and all of the electronics and everything.
Speaker 2: So again we pay for this. You know, what used
Speaker 2: to be a.
Speaker 3: Minor impact at a minor repair cost and a fender
Speaker 3: bender kind of a situation. Now can intail thousands of
Speaker 3: dollars of damages to the vehicle, and you know the
Speaker 3: insurance mafia knows that, and so they're not going to
Speaker 3: pay it. You are, I am. Everybody else is going
Speaker 3: to pay for it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. You've got an article up at ep
Speaker 1: Autosoreric Peters autos dot com. Clarkson is right talking about
Speaker 1: Jeremy Clarkson. Tell us funny you right about it. And
Speaker 1: of course I hate to see the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: they don't do top gear anymore. I guess it's completely
Speaker 1: dead now. They got into so much trouble with the BBC,
Speaker 1: then finally they picked up my Amazon. But you know,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to do anything about cars, saying work. So
Speaker 1: he's got Clarkson's farm and now he's opened up a
Speaker 1: pob and everything. But what did he do, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Clarkson was one of the last of the
Speaker 3: car guy journalists. You know, he was of a piece
Speaker 3: with Brockades that, you know, a guy that I admired
Speaker 3: when I was a kid and kind of got me
Speaker 3: along the on the road to becoming a car journalist myself.
Speaker 3: And they actually had some interest in cars other than
Speaker 3: appliances and were interested in things besides how safe and
Speaker 3: compliant they were with whatever their latest regulations are. And
Speaker 3: he's become kind of cynical, which is understandable because his
Speaker 3: career goes back thirty something years and he can remember
Speaker 3: what we like to call it before times, you know,
Speaker 3: when cars were actually.
Speaker 2: Interesting in fun.
Speaker 3: And he said, and I hope it's okay to use
Speaker 3: a little profanity in this context. He said, new cars
Speaker 3: are sah, you know what. And the reason that he
Speaker 3: said that, I kind of I took that and ran
Speaker 3: with it a little bit. And I think what he
Speaker 3: meant was they become so homogeneous, ironically in part because
Speaker 3: they used to be sh whatever. They had personality, They
Speaker 3: had quirks, you know, sometimes you had to kick it,
Speaker 3: or you had to do some special thing to get
Speaker 3: it to work right, or it had to be it
Speaker 3: had personality, you know. Now they are literally appliances and toasters.
Speaker 3: And now I understand that from the standpoint of you
Speaker 3: want something reliable that gets you from A to B
Speaker 3: without trouble and hassle. And that's important. But the emotional
Speaker 3: attachment that we've had to our cars is being severed,
Speaker 3: and people no longer care about cars.
Speaker 2: They view them.
Speaker 3: As just these disposable things like a toaster, and that's
Speaker 3: insidious because they are using that to disconnect people from
Speaker 3: personal mobility.
Speaker 2: Why bother who needs one of these things. It's just
Speaker 2: a hassle, it's just a big expense.
Speaker 3: I'll use my app and I'll call up an uber,
Speaker 3: you know, or I'll get my automated electric car to
Speaker 3: come pick me up. And they don't understand that by
Speaker 3: doing that, what they are doing is giving total control
Speaker 3: over their ability to go anywhere they want to go,
Speaker 3: on their own time, their own schedule, whenever they feel
Speaker 3: like it. They're giving that up to these centralized control structures.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh absolutely. Yeah. As Ron Atkinson, another comedian,
Speaker 1: Mister Bean said, you don't so much drive these new
Speaker 1: cars as you manage them. And you know, he's got
Speaker 1: really expensive cars because he's very, very wealthy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the car has become very anodyne. As you're talking about that,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the spitfire that I had and how
Speaker 1: you know, top Gear used to be about doing car
Speaker 1: reviews and things like that, and they would do a
Speaker 1: lot of hyper cars and stuff, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. But not really. That's why I
Speaker 1: like about the cars that you do. You actually do
Speaker 1: reviews of real cars, but you know, they would have
Speaker 1: some hyper car stuff and anything. But then when they started
Speaker 1: doing the Amazon series, it was all about adventure, right.
Speaker 1: They would try to take the cars into some area
Speaker 1: where they didn't really have roads or bridges or this
Speaker 1: kind They've got to navigate through this jungle or through
Speaker 1: the Arctic or whatever, and it became kind of an adventure, right,
Speaker 1: and the car was there. They get old cars that
Speaker 1: modify them, and it was an adventure. And it made
Speaker 1: me think, as I'm looking at your article here, made
Speaker 1: me think about my life with my time Spitfire, which
Speaker 1: was not anodyne at all. It was every trip was
Speaker 1: an adventure. You didn't know if you're going to complete
Speaker 1: it or not.
Speaker 2: We all have.
Speaker 3: Stories, don't we now. I mentioned some of some of
Speaker 3: them in the article. One of my fondest memories is
Speaker 3: of my seventy four Beetle, which I used to commute
Speaker 3: into DC with when I first started working in DC
Speaker 3: at the Washington Times, before I started getting new cars
Speaker 3: to test drive, and every drive was an adventure, particularly
Speaker 3: in the winter time. I used to keep an old
Speaker 3: Exxon gas card in the glove box because when it
Speaker 3: was cold out, you'd get frost on the windshield, and
Speaker 3: so I'd use the car to scrape a little hole
Speaker 3: so I could cut portals so.
Speaker 2: I could see.
Speaker 3: And then in the summertime, when it got hot, you know,
Speaker 3: the humidity would result in essentially the same thing, except
Speaker 3: it was still moist, not frozen.
Speaker 2: So I had a rag that I would use, you know,
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 3: And it's looking back on that, it's fun and it
Speaker 3: makes me smile, and you're smiling. And we have these
Speaker 3: these sories of these cars that we remember affectionately, you know,
Speaker 3: from thirty years ago. Oh yeah, who remembers whatever appliance
Speaker 3: they drove five years but nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh exactly, Yeah, you know again, it was it
Speaker 1: was one of these things, you know. It was both
Speaker 1: a love and hate relationship that I had with a spitfire.
Speaker 1: It's like, I imagine if you had, you know, a
Speaker 1: girlfriend that you're like, but she's constantly creating problems. I
Speaker 1: never had that problem Karen's doing the board. Never had
Speaker 1: a girlfriend like that, but I didn't have a car
Speaker 1: like that, And you know, so he loved it and
Speaker 1: you hated it. It was a raw experiences in Florida,
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's hot and humid, and then
Speaker 1: it would rain in the afternoons, and when it rain
Speaker 1: you just had the single thickness of a roof there.
Speaker 1: So it was like you were in a tent and
Speaker 1: it's leaking in through the windows and all the rest
Speaker 1: of the stuff, and you're driving down the road and
Speaker 1: everything is shaking. But it was a blast, you know,
Speaker 1: it really was a blast, and so it's also empowering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was empowering.
Speaker 3: And wait, this is something I think that it's important
Speaker 3: to convey to young people who don't have any direct.
Speaker 2: Experience with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it broke down, but you know what, you could
Speaker 3: usually fix it with these these modern computer controlled devices,
Speaker 3: essentially cell phones. They're fine until they stop working. And
Speaker 3: once they stop working, that's it. You know, you just
Speaker 3: you helplessly stand there by the side of the road
Speaker 3: waiting for the tow truck. That's kind of a masculating,
Speaker 3: you know, in a very real way. It was great
Speaker 3: to be able to deal with the problem by the
Speaker 3: side of the road. You know, you had to band
Speaker 3: aid it with whatever literally duct tape, dealing wire or whatever.
Speaker 3: But you got the thing back on the road, and
Speaker 3: that made you feel really good, particularly when you're young.
Speaker 3: You're like, wow, I can you know, I can deal
Speaker 3: with this. I can handle a problem myself, as opposed
Speaker 3: to having to pick up the phone and call somebody
Speaker 3: who can help me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah yeah. And with that car, you know,
Speaker 1: the spidfire, the whole front half of the car was
Speaker 1: one piece, so you'd lift up the front which was
Speaker 1: both fenders as well as the hood and everything, and
Speaker 1: you can step inside the chassis and work on the engine,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's just right there. It's this
Speaker 1: little tiny engine, and there was plenty of room to
Speaker 1: stand inside the engine bay with the engine.
Speaker 3: That reminds me another thing I talked about in that
Speaker 3: article about what you can't do anymore, see the engine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, the manufacturers.
Speaker 3: Are almost all of you know, they put these black
Speaker 3: plastic they call them acoustic or sound deadening covers on
Speaker 3: top of the engine, which has the effect of making
Speaker 3: all the engines look exactly the same. There was a
Speaker 3: time when new car dealers would proudly pop the hoods
Speaker 3: of their new vehicles, and that way people who are
Speaker 3: interested in park could go in Marvel and you know
Speaker 3: what was under the hood.
Speaker 2: Look at that. Wow, that's neat.
Speaker 3: I love to pop the hood of old cars like
Speaker 3: my trans am, because it's just neat to look at
Speaker 3: the engine. You know, they made it interesting to look
Speaker 3: at it. Now they all look the same, and whether
Speaker 3: it's delivered or not, I feel as though it serves
Speaker 3: the purpose of fading any distinction that's meaningful between cars
Speaker 3: with engines and electric cars. Pop the hood versus piece
Speaker 3: of black plastic. Who cares it all looks the same?
Speaker 1: You don't see anything. I've got a couple of comments here.
Speaker 1: One of them is from Seth Landergan. Thank you for
Speaker 1: the tip, Seth appreciate it, says Eric Peter is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite night show guests. Great job as always, David, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guests as well. We've been talking
Speaker 1: for many years. I love talking to Eric. And this
Speaker 1: is also from Jason Barker. The one time I trusted
Speaker 1: abs and kept my foot on the brakes, I said,
Speaker 1: halfway down the road with zero control. Cole Amas says,
Speaker 1: air bags in the seat like a Russian videos and
Speaker 1: launch their friends fifty feet in the air. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I've seen that video, and that brings us another point,
Speaker 3: if I might want a quick little rant about how
Speaker 3: the cost benefit and risk reward equation has been taken
Speaker 3: away from us.
Speaker 2: You know, people will.
Speaker 3: Say, but airbags save lives. That's true, but they can
Speaker 3: also hurt and you can kill you, and you don't
Speaker 3: have the choice. And it doesn't matter whether somebody else
Speaker 3: as well. It's more likely that it will help you
Speaker 3: rather than hurt you. So what, it's not their business,
Speaker 3: it's not their right to take that choice away from you.
Speaker 3: You have the right as an empowered adult to make
Speaker 3: those decisions for yourself. But they want to treat us
Speaker 3: as if we were idiot children in perpetuity. At least
Speaker 3: in the normal sense. The goal is to raise their
Speaker 3: children to become empowered adults, whereas with these people in
Speaker 3: government who want to parent us, the goal is to
Speaker 3: keep us in a state of childlike idiocy forever.
Speaker 1: That's right. They treat adults like children, and they treat
Speaker 1: children like adults now in the schools. But you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about airbags. When they first came out, Remember
Speaker 1: they had set these things up and tweaked them for
Speaker 1: a typical men, right, And it was injuring women and
Speaker 1: killing children then. And remember the fight about can't I
Speaker 1: just have the ability to turn this thing off? No,
Speaker 1: you can't turn it off. Not gonna let you try.
Speaker 1: That was the most amazing thing to me.
Speaker 3: Now and we've had this, we've had this admitted. The
Speaker 3: government acknowledges the massive tobacca with the Takata airbags, which affects.
Speaker 2: Millions of vehicles.
Speaker 3: They will not even allow people who had the misfortunate
Speaker 3: to buy one of these things and have that thing
Speaker 3: steering at them in the face to temporarily have the
Speaker 3: thing turned off until the dealers can clear the backlog
Speaker 3: of people who are waiting to get the replacement airbags.
Speaker 3: They just it tells you again what they really care
Speaker 3: about isn't your safety, It's about their authority and their control.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's absolutely right. And I talked about that early
Speaker 1: in the program. A helicopter pile trying to go in
Speaker 1: and help people, and when he landed, he had this
Speaker 1: little Barney Fife come up to him. You gotta get
Speaker 1: arrested if you go and do this again. You've got
Speaker 1: to get out of here, and all my authority, he
Speaker 1: doesn't care about the people who can't get out. There's
Speaker 1: no government helicopters taking them out. He's just going to
Speaker 1: shut it down. You and I talked about the Dakata
Speaker 1: airbags many, many times. We talked about it in the
Speaker 1: context of this nonsense about the Volkswagen emissions problems and
Speaker 1: all the rest of this stuff, and said, look, you know,
Speaker 1: they've killed sixteen people worldwide, and they have these recalls
Speaker 1: of these things. If these things go off, it's like
Speaker 1: getting shot in the chest with them with a shotgun
Speaker 1: or something like that. And yet they're not doing the
Speaker 1: same thing to Takata that they did to Volkswagen, because
Speaker 1: with Volkswagen that was part of their agenda. They had
Speaker 1: to shut every thing down for their agenda, for their
Speaker 1: green agenda that they're running through. Just amazing.
Speaker 3: Ye, the contrasts between Volkswagens very high mileage, very high
Speaker 3: efficiency diesel powered cars and the electric cars was something
Speaker 3: that could not be abided. You know, you could as
Speaker 3: recently as twenty but twenty fifteen, I think when they're
Speaker 3: still available, you could buy a brand new Jetta mid
Speaker 3: sized sedan with a diesel engine that got fifty miles
Speaker 3: per gallon twenty two thousand dollars. It kind of makes
Speaker 3: a forty thousand dollars test.
Speaker 2: That looks silly.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, By the way, Jason Barker, thank you for this.
Speaker 1: And to remind everybody, so everybody's on Twitter, please go
Speaker 1: find Eric and leave a comment on one of his posts.
Speaker 1: He's being shadow banned there and we can break that
Speaker 1: if we interact with his posts. And again, Jason, nice
Speaker 1: Twitter handle is libertarian car g as Yes, sound.
Speaker 3: Like a mobster And that's not intentional, it's just they
Speaker 3: wouldn't they wouldn't let me have the additional characters to
Speaker 3: say libertarian car.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a friend who has passed Mike Valentine,
Speaker 1: the Valentine radar detectors. And again, this is something that
Speaker 1: we're going to look back already probably on as we
Speaker 1: got the insurance companies and the car companies are snitching
Speaker 1: on you, telling the insurance companies he's driving too fast
Speaker 1: on it's just amounter of time before they start sending
Speaker 1: that into the police and everything. But you know, for
Speaker 1: the time being, the old smoking in the bandit gang
Speaker 1: where you've got radar and radar detectors, and this going
Speaker 1: back and forth. He was a real pioneer and that
Speaker 1: the Valentine radar detectors, And of course they're a sponsor
Speaker 1: on your website to see them all the time. So
Speaker 1: if somebody's going to get one of these excellent radar detectors,
Speaker 1: flick through at Eric petersautos dot com. That'll that'll help Eric.
Speaker 1: And it's a you know, but it's it's a great
Speaker 1: radarchitector tell us a little bit about your perspective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, you know, I know Mike personally. I first
Speaker 3: interviewed Mike back in the nineties when I was working
Speaker 3: to Washington Times. Really good guy and for those who
Speaker 3: are not aware of Mike, he was the guy who
Speaker 3: developed one of the first really effective multi ban radarchitectors
Speaker 3: that detected all of the various bands of the police radar.
Speaker 3: And more than just that, he was very, very directly
Speaker 3: and enthusiastically involved against the fight to repeal the federal
Speaker 3: fifty five mile an hour speed limit, which people who
Speaker 3: were in their twenties today won't remember. This was something
Speaker 3: that lasted for almost twenty years that I think was
Speaker 3: imposed in nineteen seventy four and lasted through about ninety four.
Speaker 2: If I'm remembering my numbers correctly.
Speaker 1: And let me let me say it would have been
Speaker 1: to his advantage to cheer that on, because I would
Speaker 1: have helped the sales, right, you'd think, yeah.
Speaker 3: But no, you know he was again, he was just
Speaker 3: a good guy, a regular American guy who thought it
Speaker 3: was outrageous that the federal government would just arbitrarily declare literally,
Speaker 3: just like that, the highway speeds that had been perfectly
Speaker 3: legal and presumably safe, you know, safe to drive seventy
Speaker 3: miles an hour in nineteen seventy three, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it is illegal speeding, you know, the day
Speaker 3: after this thing gets gets changed, And you know, he
Speaker 3: probably saved millions of Americans, many millions of dollars. I
Speaker 3: know he saved me many thousands of dollars in extortionate fines,
Speaker 3: particularly when I was a young guy because the ms NMSL,
Speaker 3: the National Maximum Speeding that was still enforced when I
Speaker 3: was in college. So I was doing a lot of
Speaker 3: driving back then. And if I hadn't had a radar sector,
Speaker 3: my driving rap sheet would have been longer than a
Speaker 3: phone book.
Speaker 1: And he had the best one. I mean, he had greatomic.
Speaker 1: I think it was angled over to the Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just came out with the second generation a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. I think I've still got the first generation.
Speaker 1: I actually there's anybody who's got a Valentine detector. There
Speaker 1: is a great app that's for free. It's a guy
Speaker 1: from Raleigh, I think because in his examples all the
Speaker 1: maps and everything are there in Raleigh. But it's an
Speaker 1: app called JB v one as a Valentine one, but
Speaker 1: it's JB is in John Boy and he just does
Speaker 1: an amazing job combining the functions of your phone in
Speaker 1: terms of GPS location, other things like that, and giving
Speaker 1: you control to mute it or to you know, added
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of features to the old Valentine radar
Speaker 1: detectors that then got added in in the second generation.
Speaker 1: But it's just a great app and it's out there
Speaker 1: for free. This guy does it again because just a
Speaker 1: kind of a passion. You know, it was a business
Speaker 1: for Mike Valentine, but as you point out, he had
Speaker 1: a passion to help people not get ticketed. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is a shame to see that that passing away, and
Speaker 1: it's a shame to see the ability of us to
Speaker 1: play smoking in the bandmit going away too.
Speaker 3: I know, well, I think about the V one detector
Speaker 3: too that people should know about. There is now a
Speaker 3: lot of what you might call electronic clutter on the
Speaker 3: road because almost all new cars are actively emitting signals
Speaker 3: because they have they have their own laser and radar
Speaker 3: systems built in as part of the safety technology. So
Speaker 3: it can be pointless to run one of the other
Speaker 3: detectors because they're constantly going off because they're picking up
Speaker 3: these signals.
Speaker 2: And you know, after a while, you.
Speaker 3: Can't deal with the thing beeping at you and flashing
Speaker 3: lights all the time. The Ladies generation V one from
Speaker 3: Valentine has filtered out that stuff, so now when you
Speaker 3: get in the work, it is a police radar. It's
Speaker 3: not some other car coming at you that has some
Speaker 3: driver's safety technology that's causing the thing to trigger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really the key thing now, And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I like when I use the app,
Speaker 1: the JB one. When I've got I've got a convertible,
Speaker 1: So where do I put my radar detector? Right? It's
Speaker 1: like a big red flag. It's not illegal like it
Speaker 1: is in Virginia where you live, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: a big red flag for cops if they see it there.
Speaker 1: So I do is I mounted it onto. I stick
Speaker 1: it onto a turbulence deflector that's behind me. And I've
Speaker 1: got a section cup mount on it and my son
Speaker 1: three D printed a black box so nobody can see
Speaker 1: the display and everything gets sent to my phone, which
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people have a phone mounted
Speaker 1: so that they can get navigation. It's got map on
Speaker 1: it and all that kind of stuff. But it also
Speaker 1: does that it does a good job of remembering certain
Speaker 1: signals and muting those out. And that's really where the uh,
Speaker 1: the rubber meets the road today and radar detectors is
Speaker 1: getting rid of false signals and you know, things that
Speaker 1: belong to hondas and things like they're really bad about that. Uh.
Speaker 1: But and also locations that you're going to drive by,
Speaker 1: whether it's some kind of a burglar alarm, so it
Speaker 1: remembers all that stuff and it shuts it down and
Speaker 1: uh and that really is now being incorporated into the
Speaker 1: second generation of the radar detectors. It was always interesting
Speaker 1: to me. It was like this, you know, measures and
Speaker 1: countermeasures and counter countermeasures.
Speaker 2: There was always a fi versus spider.
Speaker 1: Remember that it's exactly what it was. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of the world that we live in now, and it's
Speaker 1: now everything is becoming like that, you know, whether it's.
Speaker 3: Well, it's particularly important. You know, it was always a
Speaker 3: malting and ohways an annoyance, but now it has gotten
Speaker 3: to be outright extortionate. You know, you get a simple
Speaker 3: speeding ticket, and in many states it's one hundred several
Speaker 3: hundred dollars fine, just a trivial speeding ticket. But that's
Speaker 3: not the worst of it. The worst of it will
Speaker 3: come a few months later when you get your adjustment
Speaker 3: the insurance and they'll continue to adjust you for the
Speaker 3: next three years at least until that ticket finally drops
Speaker 3: off of your record. So you know, people look at
Speaker 3: the cost of the rear detector. My god, it's five
Speaker 3: hundred bucks. I can't afford to spend five hundred bucks, Yes,
Speaker 3: as you can. Yeah, compare that to the cost of
Speaker 3: even one ticket.
Speaker 1: That's right, I bet in the same category two as
Speaker 1: you know, having a camera there so you can tell
Speaker 1: that you're not at fault in the accident. That type
Speaker 1: of thing. Always great talking to you, Eric Peters, Eric
Speaker 1: petersautos dot com. Very interesting articles about real cars, about liberty,
Speaker 1: and about mobility. Thank you so much, Eric, and thank
Speaker 1: you all of you for joining us today.
Speaker 2: Good thank you, David. I appreciate it.
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