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<v Speaker 1>Listen. I'm afraid when people are mad at me too,

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point I go, I'm sorry, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to live my life. I have to. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't keep boundaries, who's going to trust you? You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any boundaries. I get real nervous from people of boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>They're Lucy Goosey, make me nervous. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be angry and belligerent, but you can kind of speak

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<v Speaker 1>up and decide what you want. And if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like having sex but you don't want to break

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<v Speaker 1>up with your partner, then you say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not feeling it. The rules we were raised with,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to tell you, is a lie and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not something you have to live by anymore. And you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get points for clinging to things you did right before.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's giving out trophies for who is the good girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, my name is Haley and this is Lara,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>To the body Pod.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, today we are so excited to welcome Terry Trespacio.

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<v Speaker 3>I got it right. I'm really happy to the body

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<v Speaker 3>Pod today. And this is going to be quite a

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<v Speaker 3>different podcast than I think that we normally have with

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<v Speaker 3>our guests, Terry, we are so looking forward to diving

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<v Speaker 3>in here, and I kind of want to start with

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<v Speaker 3>the good stuff right away. I want to go right

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<v Speaker 3>into your Ted talks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yes, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's kind of just cover the unfollow your passion and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of start with that first one. But I love

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<v Speaker 3>the second topic, which we'll get to as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>from the second Ted talk, But could you just give

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<v Speaker 3>us a rundown of that Ted talk and what inspired

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<v Speaker 3>you to?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so that Ted X talk is now looking to

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<v Speaker 1>me a little long in the tooth. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>now ten years old, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's not exactly top of mind for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but that talk changed my life. So it could be

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<v Speaker 1>easy for someone to see that talk and go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this woman talks about this. So then she went and

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<v Speaker 1>did a Ted talk about that. But that's not how

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<v Speaker 1>I got that Ted talk. I got that Ted talk,

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<v Speaker 1>and by Ted I mean tedex But you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. I got how I've gotten some of my

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<v Speaker 1>best opportunities. Someone dropped out and very close to like

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks ahead of the event, I had been I

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<v Speaker 1>think I manifested that because I was like, I so

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a touch talk. And then I read

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<v Speaker 1>a book that I won't name that I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>lousy that talked me basically out of it. Was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh is this too hard? I'm not smart enough? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I have to work at NASA? Like it made me

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this is not something for a regular person

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<v Speaker 1>to do wrong. But again, this was years ago. And

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<v Speaker 1>then someone on Facebook, not even a friend, when I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you the loosest connection, said oh, you seem to

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of speaking, like we had someone just

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<v Speaker 1>drop out. Our company sponsors this ted X here and

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<v Speaker 1>you know someone dropped out, So would you be willing

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<v Speaker 1>to meet the producer. We're trying to gather up people

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<v Speaker 1>who could pop in for this person. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, Yes, I got on a call with

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<v Speaker 1>the producer that day. That is not how that works. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a cottage industry. Like you hire a coach, you

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<v Speaker 1>do this. I mean I've been hired by people to

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<v Speaker 1>help them with their talks. I mean that's a whole industry.

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<v Speaker 1>You apply, you got. I didn't do it for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I basically they were in a scramble and I got

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<v Speaker 1>on the call with the guy and he said, so,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a ted talk in you? I did

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<v Speaker 1>not have a talk ready. I was like, maybe someday

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do that. I had no idea, but I had

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<v Speaker 1>been doing a lot of at the time my post

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<v Speaker 1>magazine editor life. I was a media coach, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I was helping people put into words what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>That was what I did for many years. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I had been in my mind trafficking and in trafficking

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<v Speaker 1>in opinions and knowing that the contrary opinion usually lands,

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<v Speaker 1>usually gets Peel's attention. So he said, literally, what are

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<v Speaker 1>some ideas you have? And I said, hmmm, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I have a few ideas. And I dug into what

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<v Speaker 1>I call like into my inner eyre. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the things that really pissed me off? Because

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<v Speaker 1>those make for great topics to talk about. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>i'll tell you what. Mike one of the most brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>people ever worked with, And I said, I'll tell you what, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>I get a little bit annoyed about a few things.

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<v Speaker 1>One is at the time, I said, the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>fate makes me crazy because I feel like we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any control over the lah. I said The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing I really don't like is people say to follow

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<v Speaker 1>your passion. I go, what mealy mouthed advice? It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>it's not bad advice, it's just not helpful. And he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. What do you Where does that go? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me more about that. I go, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>when I tell you. I was like knitting the idea

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot, and I was like, I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it makes me mad because it's not helpful. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not how you live your life, you know. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>impromptu Ted talking, which I like to do, but I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't done it yet. So then he goes, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you go right up, like, what is the outline?

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<v Speaker 1>What's it like? Basically, come up with a talk. You

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<v Speaker 1>come up with some ideas for that, and like tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what that even looks like, and then let's meet

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<v Speaker 1>back here. At the time, it was skype, let's meet

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow. And I was like okay. So I

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<v Speaker 1>got off the call and I started writing that talk.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm acting like I just got an assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving this Ted talk. So I wrote a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, here's ideas. I came back the next

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<v Speaker 1>day and I said, here's some ideas. Here's what I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know you work under pressure, right, we

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<v Speaker 1>all do? Uh? And so he said this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this. I like this. Work on it again.

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<v Speaker 1>When I tell you, I got on a call with

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<v Speaker 1>him every day for like four or five days, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, so what are we talking about here?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I get a plane ticket?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I am I doing this? Yeah? Are we seeing

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<v Speaker 1>other people?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the deal? And he was like, uh no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in. And he was king at first because who

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<v Speaker 1>am I like? Nobody? And also, uh he looked at

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<v Speaker 1>my background. And this is one of the few times

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<v Speaker 1>when being a consultant who works for yourself can work

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<v Speaker 1>against you because they're afraid you're going to come on

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<v Speaker 1>and try to sell. Now I know better. I was

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<v Speaker 1>already a professional speaker. I'm not going to come on

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<v Speaker 1>and sell out of TA you can't do that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no, no, I get it. Blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. That man helped me create that talk.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not you do not get the producer to

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<v Speaker 1>help you create the talk anymore. When I tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>I did draft and submitted a draft and he'd edit

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<v Speaker 1>it and draft all the way up to the week

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<v Speaker 1>of the event. This was not far away from the event.

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<v Speaker 1>It was maybe six weeks maybe iplored and I am

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<v Speaker 1>now I didn't have the ending to that talk because

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, what's the answer, Like what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, uh, like if you'll have I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what. I was like, let's figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm telling you. It was like days before the event.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I got it. I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the idea and that last line of that Ted talk

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<v Speaker 1>is the line. And that's when I knew. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done, this is done. I know it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know you could use a monitor like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. You can't. You can do slides, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't doing slides. He goes, you're better off just memorizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only had I just written it, now I

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<v Speaker 1>have to memorize it. I memorize it word for word

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, I can't and I don't give

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<v Speaker 1>talks that way. I do not, but for this it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you have to come in tight on your time.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to know every word. So when you watch

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<v Speaker 1>that talk, know that it has been rehearsed. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I said another thing but that talk for the

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<v Speaker 1>days leading up, and then I was so nervous and

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<v Speaker 1>I walked out there and I was like, this moment

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<v Speaker 1>could change my life, or it maybe doesn't. And it did.

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<v Speaker 1>It completely changed my life as a speaker because and listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't control who watches our talks. There are so

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<v Speaker 1>many talks and so many things. But back then it

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<v Speaker 1>was still a little less crowded, and that talk on

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<v Speaker 1>its own, people like, how'd you get like so many

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<v Speaker 1>millions of views? I was like, listen, good, good content

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<v Speaker 1>will find a home in people's attention. And I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't be like, well, mine was the best. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what it was, but it worked. It hit

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<v Speaker 1>a note, it really did. And I left that theater

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, okay, that was fun. And then

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<v Speaker 1>within like two months, I had like a million views,

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<v Speaker 1>which back then was a lot. And from there it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like holy cow. So then people would find

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<v Speaker 1>the talk and I had all incoming. I never had

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<v Speaker 1>to pitch a talk after that. For a while. People

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<v Speaker 1>just find that talk and they would just hire me.

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<v Speaker 1>So but anyway, you didn't ask about that. Sorry you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask me about love your arc.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, And I want to know how old

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<v Speaker 3>were you when you when that first Ted talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasubb, well, I'm fifty two now, so I was forty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty two, okay, so midlife? Oh absolutely that week completely

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<v Speaker 3>changing your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't think anything worth talking about happens until

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<v Speaker 1>after forty or anything. Let's say, well we really enjoying.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at forty I was like, oh now I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm clicked in now, like we're on the bike and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going like that was it. But before that's all

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<v Speaker 1>I got about I have a great life. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>very lucky to have life I had, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>still excitedly. And then after forty I was like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, I actually do whatever the hell I want now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like I forgot for a sec that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a free person and I can do whatever. So

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<v Speaker 1>that around that time, I had been taking improv classes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where I met my best friends. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still friends with just for fun, just get out of

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<v Speaker 1>my house. Because I was working from home. I started

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<v Speaker 1>playing in a touch football league, having never so much

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<v Speaker 1>as touched a football in my life. So old over

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<v Speaker 1>forty started playing in a touch football league co ed.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not. I never played on a team. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a dancer. I'm very afraid of being out there

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<v Speaker 1>with men running around and it was dangerous. But I

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<v Speaker 1>same week of that Ted Talk was also my first

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<v Speaker 3>of at midlife we talked about all of these hard

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<v Speaker 1>I've been single. I listen, I gotta set the table here.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no interest personally in getting married. It just

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<v Speaker 1>Or I remember I was sitting at like a dinner

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<v Speaker 1>And then my mom said, honey, don't have kids for me.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, don't do any of that stuff for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, I think yours is the life I

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<v Speaker 1>want next. And I thought that was such a tribute.

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<v Speaker 1>that was so supportive. I still dated, I was still

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<v Speaker 1>here as a kid, and like party, I was like

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<v Speaker 1>the douchary that happens here with dating. But I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I found a few nice guys and I dated one,

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<v Speaker 1>but every couple of years and it wasn't it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what am I even doing? People are like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was fun. And I was like, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with herver I want, blah blah blah. And I did

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<v Speaker 1>I was like picking up young men. I was forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like close to forty, or I was like

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<v Speaker 1>going out with like twenty nine year olds and sometimes younger.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like I was just having a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>longest relationship with that I'd ever been with. Okay, four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Four that's it. That's how long. And let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this because I feel like, I know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of midlife women. Some of them are not

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<v Speaker 1>to do something. I knew by the time I was,

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<v Speaker 1>like living by myself. I really like having my own space.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy company occasionally. And I started dating this New

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<v Speaker 1>York City police officer who I met online. I met.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a person I met who I didn't meet

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<v Speaker 1>online pretty much. Oh one apple genius guy. But this

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<v Speaker 1>different story. So this New York City police officer and

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<v Speaker 1>I dated right before the pandemic and then through the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't live with me. He has kids, he's divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>total sweetheart, like really really great guy. Someone would be

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<v Speaker 1>very happy to have him. And I was like, Okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>And at the end, like for the first year, I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I had to have a talk with him. And

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<v Speaker 1>He would joke about like well, I need to move

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<v Speaker 1>in together, and I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to nip this in the bud. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that probably you have in mind a life

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<v Speaker 1>where you marry the right person for you, because the

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<v Speaker 1>first person you're with you have these beautiful kids. That

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<v Speaker 1>and you probably want to live with someone. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not going to be me. You live in

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<v Speaker 1>the suburbs and you work in the city, and you

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<v Speaker 1>probably want someone who's there, maybe making dinner or at

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<v Speaker 1>that's not going to be me. And then, but I

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<v Speaker 1>always that someone's going to take my life away from me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, I'm never going to live with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, but you could, that might change.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if it does, that's not a promise I make now.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we're going to date, you have to know

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<v Speaker 1>that this is it. We see each other a few

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<v Speaker 1>times a week, you go home, I have my own life.

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<v Speaker 1>We're together. I'm not at wasn't dating anyone else. But

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<v Speaker 1>wish I would, and you resent it in the resentment

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<v Speaker 1>will build. I said, if you find yourself kind of

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to bring up or joking about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to ever joke about it in front

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<v Speaker 1>of someone, we're done because I said, this can't be Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Terry, He's like, you weird rules. I go, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I know weird rules. I have life. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>life life. Yeah. I also turns out I was fucking

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<v Speaker 1>gay as and I'll say that in case you want

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<v Speaker 1>I was gay gay gay gay. Did not realize it totally,

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<v Speaker 1>but finally after the pandemic, and realized I was just

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<v Speaker 1>I had sex ever again. And I said to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is so nice. He's a wonderful to hold,

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<v Speaker 1>he smells good, he's good to me, he's a wonderful boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>And if he's to me, hey, guess what, I have

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<v Speaker 1>I realized I didn't care, but obviously he cared, and

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of women who are straight,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, who don't feel like having sex with husbands.

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<v Speaker 1>But I felt that now, when I'm in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing right now? So that was not

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<v Speaker 1>great because I was like, and I kept saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>why are always telling me to date the people. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm telling you you'd be a lot happier,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope he is a lot happier. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I ended it in, it was a not great time,

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<v Speaker 1>like now we're fighting. Now we're back to the world

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<v Speaker 1>post COVID, and it was not nice. And I was realizing, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're the worst, Matt, like this is not it, and

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<v Speaker 1>to Jesus and I was like, you're miserable, you hate

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<v Speaker 1>Said you're unhappy and I can't make you happy, and

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<v Speaker 1>but but I go, no, we're done by Like I

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<v Speaker 1>But I knew he was going to try to make

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<v Speaker 1>done done, and I cried. I was like, this is it,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it. I cried more before the breakup than

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<v Speaker 1>I ever did after the morning before. Yeah, I pre grieved.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who watch succession, I pre grieved. So then

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<v Speaker 1>here's the part that you're getting to. I started dating again,

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<v Speaker 1>like a month later. I bounced back quick. I'm like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>these are nice guys. Yeah. And so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>some dalliances, nothing serious, but nothing serious. Really, I just

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<v Speaker 1>on this folks singer and they were like, it's a phase.

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<v Speaker 1>was never gonna be like, you know what, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a live a gay lifestyle. You know why

417
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<v Speaker 1>because I said to myself, no real lesbian, no self

418
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<v Speaker 1>respecting lesbian would want to date me. That turns out

419
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<v Speaker 1>not to be true. But why Yeah, because you think

420
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not real. I'm not a real.

421
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<v Speaker 3>Because you didn't come out until you were fifty. When

422
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<v Speaker 3>do most women come out?

423
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<v Speaker 1>I mean twenties is when they back in the day,

424
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<v Speaker 1>twenties because they don't now it's different. But yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

425
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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I always loved lesbians I'd be like,

426
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<v Speaker 1>she's so cool. I don't know why. I just want

427
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<v Speaker 1>to hang with her all the time. And I was

428
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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with them. And I was like, but they wouldn't

429
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<v Speaker 1>like me, can They'd be like, well, you're straight. I

430
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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, totally, I'm straight. I wasn't afraid of

431
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<v Speaker 1>being gay. I felt I didn't qualify. I had as

432
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<v Speaker 1>I've had my whole life imposter syndrome, but now is

433
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<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom. I was like, O interesting. I was like,

434
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<v Speaker 1>no one would like me, I'm not gay enough. They

435
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<v Speaker 1>would they would not invite me into their club. Well,

436
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<v Speaker 1>it turns out the queer community is the most welcoming,

437
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<v Speaker 1>the most wonderful, imagine, but some women have been bitches

438
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<v Speaker 1>about it. I gotta tell you when it comes out

439
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<v Speaker 1>that I came out later. Well, first of all, after

440
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<v Speaker 1>that horrible date with a guy, I went on a

441
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<v Speaker 1>date with a woman. And I had been swiping on women.

442
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<v Speaker 1>I go, we're switching. I took my whole online dating

443
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<v Speaker 1>profile and was like, we're moving the lever to like

444
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<v Speaker 1>women only. And I started looking through and I go, yikes,

445
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<v Speaker 1>this is bad too, maybe it all sucks. But then

446
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<v Speaker 1>I saw one person and I was like, and I

447
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<v Speaker 1>said to her, if I were you, I'd run the

448
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<v Speaker 1>other way because I just broke up with my boyfriend

449
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<v Speaker 1>and like, I'm probably straight from me. And she was like, no,

450
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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to meet you. And so I dated her

451
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<v Speaker 1>and once I I won't get graphic, once I got

452
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<v Speaker 1>into bed with a woman in a dating way, in

453
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<v Speaker 1>a real way, I will tell you that when I

454
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<v Speaker 1>tell you, the world moved and I felt that I

455
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<v Speaker 1>had just surfaced after having been underwater a long time.

456
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let me tell you what's coming up for me.

457
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<v Speaker 3>And I'm thinking of all of the women listening to

458
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<v Speaker 3>this podcast, and for sure some are going to resonate

459
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<v Speaker 3>with this exact story, But there's a bigger theme here

460
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<v Speaker 3>of this, women that are in relationships that they probably

461
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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be in for whatever reason, religious beliefs that at

462
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<v Speaker 3>some point they're like, what am I doing? This might

463
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<v Speaker 3>not be to me right. There's so many things that

464
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<v Speaker 3>I think that we don't allow ourselves because well, this

465
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<v Speaker 3>isn't who I am, because this is how I've always

466
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<v Speaker 3>been number one? Or how many people am I going

467
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<v Speaker 3>to let down and disappoint if I choose something else?

468
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<v Speaker 3>Did you feel that way, But I feel like telling

469
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<v Speaker 3>your story, you had significantly bigger boundaries than I ever had,

470
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<v Speaker 3>or that of a lot of women that I know.

471
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<v Speaker 3>Did you always have great boundaries because it seems like

472
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<v Speaker 3>we were like, no, please, I never.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Like you did. I'm a liberalizing librist life leaping libra everything.

474
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<v Speaker 1>I am a first born Catholic, raised compliant. I only

475
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<v Speaker 1>want to please. I don't want anyone mad at me.

476
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<v Speaker 1>I was trained, as we all were, conditioned to court

477
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<v Speaker 1>men's attention because it has currency in the world. You

478
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<v Speaker 1>will get somewhere if a man sees you and has

479
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<v Speaker 1>an eye on you. And I knew that, and I

480
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<v Speaker 1>could tell that I could get a man's attention, and

481
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<v Speaker 1>that that wasn't the reason I got what I needed,

482
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<v Speaker 1>but I could tell it had power. So I confuse

483
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<v Speaker 1>sexuality with that kind of power. And I know this

484
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<v Speaker 1>because my whole life I would go after the one

485
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<v Speaker 1>I thought was the cutest. You'll go after the best

486
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<v Speaker 1>one and then land them and be so excited and

487
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<v Speaker 1>then be like, what do I do with this? What

488
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<v Speaker 1>do I do with this guy?

489
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<v Speaker 4>Now?

490
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<v Speaker 2>I don't got the did you get that?

491
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<v Speaker 1>I was always afraid that they would like me back?

492
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<v Speaker 1>As soon as they like me back, I was like,

493
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<v Speaker 1>you're a baby. I'm out like that on your life.

494
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<v Speaker 1>You're like so much clarity, right all these moments. No, Yes,

495
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<v Speaker 1>a podcast I just launched with my sisters and we

496
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<v Speaker 1>read our journals from high school and junior high.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, from the eighties again right now, this is amazing.

498
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<v Speaker 1>It's called Generation Artext. Do you guys watched The Never

499
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<v Speaker 1>Ending Story? Do you remember that movie?

500
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<v Speaker 2>I remember? Yeah, it was so good.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember. Do you remember the Horse that drowns

502
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<v Speaker 1>and swamps of Sadness? Yes, his name is ur Text.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actor because it is the most It's called Generation out,

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<v Speaker 1>the Generation r text a ar ta x. It's generation

505
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<v Speaker 1>ar texts with a gen X, you see. And so

506
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<v Speaker 1>it's really because that is the most gen x that

507
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<v Speaker 1>was a real trauma for people watching movies when we were,

508
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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the eighties, and so anyway, that's the

509
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<v Speaker 1>name of it. But it was the beginning of that

510
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<v Speaker 1>was my sisters and I all kept journals, and so

511
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<v Speaker 1>we've been reading like, here's something from nineteen eighty two,

512
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<v Speaker 1>here's something from nineteen ninety three, and it is mortifying,

513
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<v Speaker 1>and every page I'm like, this guy is giving me

514
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<v Speaker 1>the ick. This guy makes me queasy. Uh. I don't

515
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.200
<v Speaker 1>know this guy likes me, but he's gross. Like I

516
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>was clearly like what uh, but what I allowed myself

517
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<v Speaker 1>to do it. But to your point, you were just saying,

518
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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of women who are in relationships you

519
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.799
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be. It doesn't mean they're gay. Maybe it means

520
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<v Speaker 1>they want to explore. And we're in a world of exploring.

521
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<v Speaker 1>So I encourage everyone to try it. I tell you,

522
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<v Speaker 1>and I will say this right now, and I will

523
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<v Speaker 1>put my money in my mouth. Is if we had

524
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred people listening and I said, you're all gonna

525
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<v Speaker 1>date women for like six weeks, and you're gonna find

526
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<v Speaker 1>your ideal lesbian. You're gonna date them for six weeks,

527
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<v Speaker 1>I say, you're lucky if half go back.

528
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<v Speaker 2>What serious?

529
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<v Speaker 1>Seriously, I don't think you choose to be gay. But

530
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<v Speaker 1>I was probably gay, like I had. This was not

531
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<v Speaker 1>my identity. I always even my mother was like, you

532
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<v Speaker 1>always had a boyfriend. I don't understand. I was like,

533
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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what. You have a boyfriend, and we

534
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:55.640
<v Speaker 1>could get a boyfriend. I'm like, that's not what makes

535
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<v Speaker 1>you gay. I was probably always gay, obviously, But I

536
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>chose a straight life because that's what I was conditioned

537
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<v Speaker 1>to do. And I could have kept choosing it, and

538
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I could have I could have dumped that boyfriend, got

539
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 1>another boyfriend, got another boyfriend, and just lived in a

540
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<v Speaker 1>kind of slow, low simmer of boredom and resentment. And instead,

541
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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you right effing now, I'm having the

542
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<v Speaker 1>best sex of my life. I recommend women to anyone

543
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<v Speaker 1>who will listen. And I'm seeing a lot of it.

544
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<v Speaker 1>You've seen it, the story about is it embarrassing to

545
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<v Speaker 1>have a boyfriend? Now, you know people are not posting

546
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<v Speaker 1>their boyfriends on their on their Instagram because they're like,

547
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>well they always embarrass me, or what if we break up,

548
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<v Speaker 1>I don't want him on there. It's sort of like

549
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<v Speaker 1>not that people don't love men, because you know, that's

550
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>how you know sexuality is not a choice, because some

551
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<v Speaker 1>people do. But honestly, if you had one hundred women,

552
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<v Speaker 1>that is my fantasy is I want to have like

553
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<v Speaker 1>a reality dating show where I make everyone date women

554
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<v Speaker 1>for six weeks because if you found a woman who

555
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<v Speaker 1>is a masculine woman, which is what I love, you're

556
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<v Speaker 1>beautiful women. I'm sorry, you're not my type.

557
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<v Speaker 4>Right.

558
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<v Speaker 1>The woman who you had on to talk about the

559
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<v Speaker 1>Bunyans though super hot. But my point is so excuse

560
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<v Speaker 1>it's cute, yeah, cute, But my point is the fun

561
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>time you can find masculine women and I see them

562
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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok and they're like, hey, you know what, I'll

563
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<v Speaker 1>take you out to dinner. I'll also take your shopping.

564
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<v Speaker 1>We'll get our nails done, We're going to read together,

565
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 1>and we will do our hair. Like, there's so much

566
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 1>you get. It's all the things you think are true.

567
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.279
<v Speaker 1>It's not easier. Hell no, it's not easier. But the

568
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<v Speaker 1>idea that I can finally like hang out with a

569
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<v Speaker 1>woman that I'm into and we can also be friends.

570
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<v Speaker 1>And I know when I go when i'm dating, I'm

571
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<v Speaker 1>not going to get raped and murdered. Probably maybe, probably not.

572
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<v Speaker 2>This is amazing. So okay.

573
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<v Speaker 3>Then you said that you had some women were not nice.

574
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<v Speaker 3>Are you saying that that was people that you knew

575
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<v Speaker 3>or people women in.

576
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>The gay community? Sorry clarification. Everyone in my life was

577
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<v Speaker 1>so nice and wonderful and supportive that I joke that

578
00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 1>I actually wish it had been a bigger deal, Like

579
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<v Speaker 1>I call my friend Jen from high school and was like, Jen,

580
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I someding to tell you I'm gage goes. Yeah, I

581
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<v Speaker 1>saw that on Instagram. Anyone, what else is going on?

582
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 1>I think it's great, but like, what else is going on?

583
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 4>Like?

584
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>It was not headline news, It was not It was

585
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 1>almost like coming. I make a joke that when I

586
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.079
<v Speaker 1>came out to my friends it was as if I

587
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>showed up with bangs. They're like, huh, we weren't expecting that.

588
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>But as long as you like them, yeah, But the

589
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.839
<v Speaker 1>people who are a little bitchy are some lesbians who

590
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.559
<v Speaker 1>are gatekeeping. And that is my most watched TikTok was

591
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>about like, can we talk about lesbian gatekeeping because there's

592
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a whole class and caste system that people who have

593
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>been lifelong lesbians you don't fit them mold look at no,

594
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<v Speaker 1>but not just that. I mean I'm fairly fam right,

595
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>but oh look who just showed up at the party.

596
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>We suffered our whole lives and we were made fun

597
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>of and we were you know, I get it, they've

598
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>been through it. I did not. I was straight straight passing.

599
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm still straight passing. I'm trying to be like I'm

600
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to let people know. But the problem is women

601
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>are competitive. They are jealous like any humans, and some

602
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>women sort of like I went on a date with

603
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a woman and I was like, well, and she goes,

604
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 1>when'd you come out? I don't volunteer this information. By

605
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the way, find out, You'll never guess that I just

606
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>came out. I've done the homework. But they'll say like,

607
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 1>when did you come out. I'd be like, oh, not

608
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>that long ago, Well when did twenty work? You know?

609
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>And they're like oh, and they give you that like, oh,

610
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you're new, and I was like, listen. And one woman

611
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I went on a date with she had just gotten

612
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>divorced from a woman she's been with for twenty years,

613
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and I just came out she's new to dating. I'm

614
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>not new to dating. So she was sort of like, well,

615
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 1>and she was kind of I don't know what the

616
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>kids are doing these days. And I was like, first

617
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of all, you know, and second of all, she goes,

618
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of new, and I go, I'm not new

619
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 1>to dating. As far as I'm concerned. We're in the

620
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>same boat. Because she didn't know how to date and

621
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I already knew it had been dating up a storm,

622
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>so that kind of that's not common though most women,

623
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>most lesbians that I've met, are like, oh my god, yes, please,

624
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>thank you, this is wonderful. So I felt nothing but welcome,

625
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but just you know, also from women I broke up

626
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 1>with who were like, well, whatever, you're new, Like you know.

627
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 4>What about if you had struggled with it your whole life,

628
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 4>Like would they have a different narrative or take or

629
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<v Speaker 4>take on you?

630
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I could lie, I'd be like, yeah, it was

631
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>really hard, but come on, no, yeah, I think that.

632
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I think there's a lot of mental

633
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>illness everywhere, and also a lot of mental illness in

634
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<v Speaker 1>a queer community because there's been such abuse and abandonment

635
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these women have been through it,

636
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 1>and I've had experiences people I was like, wow, this

637
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.559
<v Speaker 1>is wild. But even though it's wild, still better than

638
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>dating men as far as I'm concerned.

639
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well if we move on's your second Ted Talk? Yes,

640
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 3>it's about time we rethink happily ever after? I mean.

641
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 2>This it's right in and where do.

642
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 1>We go with this? That Ted Talk I'm convinced didn't

643
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>do as well because the title wasn't good They titled

644
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 1>it something that had to do with their event, which

645
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 1>no one remembers, and it is really about that the

646
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 1>seed of that talk. And by the way, how I

647
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>got that second talk with someone saw the first talk

648
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and they said, hey, we're doing a text event. Would

649
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 1>you come to a talk here. I was like, well,

650
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 1>when I do play the hits, I already did that talk.

651
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 1>They're like, no, write a new one. I was like,

652
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, everyoney giving me homework, okay, And so

653
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought about what opinion bugged me and what bothers me.

654
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Always since I've been single, my whole life is when

655
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 1>people go oh yeah, I'm still single, or oh you're

656
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>single again, or oh yeah, it never works out. The

657
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>assumption that because oh boy, there's a cat, get down.

658
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh the cat's been there the whole time. We're like,

659
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 3>we're vibing with the cat, yeah the whole time.

660
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Listen, I have male cats. They try to steal, they're

661
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to take space. That talk is basically the point

662
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 1>is there's nothing wrong with you because you're single. That again,

663
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 1>is a kind of patriarchal vibe. It's your damaged goods.

664
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>No one wants you, and you should be afraid so

665
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that you're grateful when someone does. That's all set up

666
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to make you, oh god, I need someone, I need someone,

667
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>or I'm not worth anything. And the guy said to

668
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>me that that talk starts with the guy saying, oh,

669
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you're single, and you seem smart and you seem well, yeah,

670
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? He said?

671
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 1>And I said, there's literally nothing wrong with me. How old?

672
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with you? I was forties, it was early forties.

673
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 1>They're like, why are you married? Why? Because I don't

674
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>want to be? Even my boyfriend time said, you know,

675
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:41.759
<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me to believe. I can't wrap my

676
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 1>brain around why you're single. I said, do you think

677
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a catch? Do you think I'm like a catch?

678
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And he goes yes. I said, so, why would you

679
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 1>think I'd be so willing to go with anyone? Why

680
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you assume I was really picky as I am.

681
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>It is a strange belief.

682
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 1>It is that think about it for a second. Really,

683
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to change your thinking about this, especially people

684
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 1>listening who feel bad or embarrassed or defensive about their singleness.

685
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>You are born single. You are single until you choose

686
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to live with or spend time with someone. And our

687
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>culture is tructured around the belief that having a married

688
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 1>couple is the basis for everything and must be. That's

689
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 1>just this culture, it's not all cultures. But what happens

690
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>if you're not in a relationship or you had one before?

691
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh what happened to that guy you had here Thanksgiving

692
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>last year? It didn't work out? Why? Well, he was

693
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.119
<v Speaker 1>a douche. Couldn't you make it work? Well? No, I

694
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 1>don't want to make it work like this idea that

695
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>you should be long suffering and stay. And my takeaway

696
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 1>from that, or my response to that, is the only

697
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.519
<v Speaker 1>difference between someone who's single and someone who's not defined

698
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a single is if you die while you're still in

699
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 1>your relationship. If you do not survive your relationship, I

700
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>guess you were happily married. I don't know. All I

701
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 1>know is you died while you were in it. That's

702
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>the only difference here, because if I die single, Oh,

703
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>she died single? She had wherefore it didn't work out? What? Yeah?

704
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Why are you less than if you're single?

705
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm about to survive everything. I've survived bad friendship,

706
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I've survived jobs, I've survived men, which is no small thing,

707
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.559
<v Speaker 1>and I have survived relationships. My hope is that you

708
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 1>do survive. And by the way, this is not I

709
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 1>do not going to get out of Joe free card

710
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>with lesbians because they also are like, well, isn't this forever?

711
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Isn't this We're gonna be like the right end, like

712
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to you forever? And I was like, I mean, I

713
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but I don't treat people casually. I'm not like, well, no,

714
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>you're casual. That's rude. So I never say that. I go, no,

715
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 1>we're in this and we're going to experience it. If

716
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. And one

717
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.079
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend said, I just worry that, like, if we break up,

718
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>you're just gonna be You'll be just fine, And I said,

719
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and I hope you'll be fine. I'm fifty years old.

720
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I lived my whole life without you. Why now would

721
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>it be that I can't live without you, that something's

722
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 1>wrong with me? Then?

723
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Can you ever have just talk in Utah?

724
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Because when you're not twenty won and married, you're an

725
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 3>old maid that no one wants.

726
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>No. And I see so many women on TikTok are

727
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:11.639
<v Speaker 1>like eighty niney. They're like, girls don't get married her.

728
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.079
<v Speaker 1>If you do, be happy when it ends, because your

729
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>life starts. But that's something that you guys talk about

730
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 1>a lot, like midlife is when some changes happen. And yes,

731
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>some relationship is peter out and it's a painful end.

732
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 1>And I don't take that lightly either. But this idea

733
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 1>that I'm over and I'm done because no man wants me, really,

734
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>ask yourself, that is that of reality. It's not, it's not.

735
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>But until we see it that way, we're gonna think, well,

736
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who would want me, who would want you?

737
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Go on the apps? You could have a date every

738
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 1>night if you want it. Yeah, but you're gonna have

739
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to lower some standards. But like you know, you could

740
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 1>do it if you want it. Like the ability to

741
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.280
<v Speaker 1>catch and keep is like, listen, I'm in the catch

742
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and release program. If it's not working, it's still bad.

743
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I like it.

744
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 3>It's an interesting concept that it's opening up the conversation

745
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:10.360
<v Speaker 3>than the traditional I love it. I love And that's

746
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of what went into your ted talk.

747
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 2>That's what it was about me.

748
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what that was about. It was sort of like,

749
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>can we just think about this as surviving and learning something.

750
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I don't regret any of the relationships

751
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I had. Every relationship I learned something. I learned a

752
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 1>shortcoming of mind. I learned to address it. I learned

753
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>about what I like and what I don't like. And

754
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you learn each time. No shade on people who are

755
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>with their high school partner. Fine that you are rarety Fine,

756
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.119
<v Speaker 1>you're in a different category there. But if you date

757
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.039
<v Speaker 1>and date and date, you're not a whore. You are learning.

758
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Who you are dating is to learn about yourself as

759
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>much as anyone else. And because I'm in gay I've

760
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 1>been out for almost two years, I dated so much

761
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>and make a headspin because I need to know who

762
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>am I in this world? What am I like? What

763
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 1>do I like? And what is it like like? And

764
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I go in with total respect, authenticity, clarity. I don't

765
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>want there to be any confusion, and I am really

766
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.800
<v Speaker 1>clear about those boundaries. I think there is nothing more

767
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 1>important for a woman as she gets older as to

768
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.639
<v Speaker 1>shore up those boundaries. And then everything else you can make,

769
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>you can allow for, you can accommodate, but your default

770
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.800
<v Speaker 1>cannot be accommodation. The deeds on my whole life. Well

771
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, but most women has been that's okay.

772
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>You serve, not just me new but women have served.

773
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.079
<v Speaker 1>They've put all their talent and energy into serving other people,

774
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>which was their choice, a wonderful choice. You raised humans,

775
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>We're going to go off into the world. You had

776
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful relationship and then it ended for whatever reason,

777
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like now what now? Because you talked about you were asking, like,

778
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about like rest and what it means to

779
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't like because sounds like rest in peace, Like

780
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 1>we're not there yet. You now have all of this energy,

781
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>give all of this energy that you've just now freed up.

782
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Because your kids are older, they do not need you

783
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>every second. You're maybe who can knows what's going on

784
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>with your job, your partner, or maybe you don't have

785
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 1>a partner. What are you gonna do with all that energy?

786
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>You're certainly not gonna just sit home and use a

787
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 1>callous remover tool, though I have one and is such

788
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to use. But I'm telling you, every night

789
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 1>you can't be home doing your feed and taking care

790
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>of us. That's fine. Self care should have a box

791
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 1>that is protected, and that's one part of it. But

792
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it is where will you go with

793
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that energy? And why would you stop using it? This

794
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>is reason why the world hates middle aged women. It's

795
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>because that's when they don't give shit. They are now

796
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>ready to not care. And so what do they do? Vilify? Oh,

797
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.519
<v Speaker 1>you're over the hill. No one listens to you every

798
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>midlife and we'll say the krone age when I say

799
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that in a positive way, is wiser older woman. They

800
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>know shit, and they know your shit, and they are

801
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>not taking your shit, and they are terrifying. Men are

802
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 1>very afraid of them, and that is why they hate them.

803
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 1>That's why why do you think, well, I don't know.

804
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Our administration does not love cat ladies because these women

805
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>are gonna make their own decisions and in a matter

806
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.079
<v Speaker 1>of five minutes they're about to inherit and have a

807
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of the money in this country. What are we

808
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna do with all of that energy and all of

809
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 1>that money. You sure as shit are not gonna just

810
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>sit home and binge TV shows. You're gonna meet people,

811
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.119
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna date, You're gonna have the best sex of

812
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>your life. You're gonna have better sex even Okay, you

813
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.079
<v Speaker 1>don't look like you do when you were You don't

814
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>look like did nineteen ninety two. Who cares guests doesn't

815
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>care the person you're in bed with. I can vouch

816
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>for this. They do not give a shit. They want you,

817
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>they love you, and to feel desired in that way.

818
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you it's the best. Life is good after forty,

819
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 1>the best after fifty.

820
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:02.960
<v Speaker 4>What advice would you give to anyone listening who is

821
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.599
<v Speaker 4>feeling inspired by what you're saying, but has been afraid

822
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 4>of disrupting the story that they've built. How do they

823
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 4>tap into the power and find what's true for them

824
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 4>and make that change.

825
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Be around women who do. If your friends like to

826
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>sit around and complain and say they can't do stuff

827
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and say this is hard now and my back aches

828
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 1>and I can't because this, and I can't guess that

829
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>you need new friends, and you do and you can

830
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>meet new people. Do not hang around with people who

831
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 1>make you kind of hate yourself a little bit or

832
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>feel stuck. You know who you spend time with. I mean,

833
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 1>That's why I've devoted my whole Like I was a

834
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>consultant for years, but now my whole life is building

835
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.239
<v Speaker 1>this community of people. We are taking our stories and

836
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.519
<v Speaker 1>our memories to the page. I'm a writer, and I

837
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.679
<v Speaker 1>don't teach people to write. I free people's stories up.

838
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 1>And you know who's in those classrooms. You know who's

839
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>on those zoom calls women because they're like, guess what, bitches,

840
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I got something to say, and I'm tired of being quiet.

841
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.079
<v Speaker 1>So here's what I say to people. Are like, but

842
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I can't guse this. You can keep doing what you're doing.

843
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.679
<v Speaker 1>No one said you had to change your life, not

844
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>one person, not me, not you guys. You can keep

845
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 1>doing what you're doing. How mad are you going to

846
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 1>be if you know you're like, well, it's too late,

847
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>all right, but you're not dead yet. How mad are

848
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 1>you going to be? If you just continue to serve

849
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 1>and accommodate and put everyone else first. You'll do that

850
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 1>till you die. Like they say, when you die, you'll

851
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>have things on your to do list you didn't get to.

852
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I am not interested in having things I didn't get

853
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to do because of that. So you have to ask

854
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 1>yourself who am I spending time with? Have I written

855
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 1>down how I feel? I'm journaling more than I ever

856
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 1>have in many, many years because I know when I write,

857
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I think it makes me think in a new way.

858
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>And I would say, write keep a journal, you know't

859
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to tell you one about it, Challenge the ideas you have.

860
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Write down here's what I think my limit is. I'm

861
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>not I can't do this because someone will be mad.

862
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Someone will be mad at me. You're listen. I'm afraid

863
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>when people are mad at me too. But at some

864
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>point I go, I'm sorry, you're not going to live

865
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 1>my life. I have to. So I'm gonna live with

866
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the boundaries I've said. And I have friends who's had

867
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>very clear boundaries with me. I have friends I do

868
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.800
<v Speaker 1>business with and they'll be like, well, this is our

869
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>deal and this is like respect it. If you don't

870
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>keep boundaries, who's gonna trust you? You don't have any boundaries.

871
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I get real nervous from people of boundaries. They're in

872
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Lucy Goosey make me nervous. Yeah, yeah, you know it's true.

873
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 5>Though.

874
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to be angry and belligerent, but you

875
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:41.559
<v Speaker 1>can kind of speak up and decide what you want.

876
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't feel like having sex but you

877
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>don't want to break up with your partner, then you

878
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>say you know what I'm not feeling it like I

879
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>open up your relationship, Like the rules you work raised with,

880
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 1>especially us because we are gen X, are we not? Yes?

881
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Now the rules we were raised with, I hate to

882
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>tell you, is a lie and it is not something

883
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 1>you have to live by anymore. And you don't get

884
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 1>points for clinging to things you did right before. No

885
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>one's giving out trophies for who was a good girl?

886
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Not anymore. I'm obsessed.

887
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>That was the mic drop. There's always my job. That

888
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 2>was it my advice that whole Yeah.

889
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting reinventing yourself. I feel like, and this is

890
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 3>totally off topic, so I'm going to bring it back.

891
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 2>But I have a well I have a few children,

892
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>but a nineteen year old.

893
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 3>Son that is kind of I'm telling him some of

894
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 3>these same things because he's kind of got in this

895
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 3>warped world of just virtual reality and not meeting people,

896
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 3>are not dating and not getting out, and the kids

897
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 3>just don't talk to each other anymore, and the college experience,

898
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you should be meeting people.

899
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're in an analog world still, Like, as far

900
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 1>as I know, we're not living in a virtual world.

901
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 1>We're we're living in the real world, and that's going

902
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 1>to be really hard that generation. Yeah, I don't know

903
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen. I feel like we know Gen

904
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>X is the toughest. We grew up analog means we

905
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>can do literally anything like who grew up analog? We

906
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>learned digital. We can speak your language, but we worked

907
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in ways you didn't, So we're sort of unstoppable in

908
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that way. But I do worry for young people because

909
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. I don't know what they'll do, how

910
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 1>will they do it, how will they be social?

911
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 2>It's hard.

912
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 3>It's just a different it's a different world. I just

913
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.360
<v Speaker 3>read something somewhere that was talking about I mean, and

914
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 3>it was let's be honest, it was like a TikToker,

915
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 3>a real.

916
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, but out of my news.

917
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:39.880
<v Speaker 3>It was saying how we were actually the best parents

918
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 3>of all of the generations. And it went through and

919
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 3>said why and the millennials were like under us, and

920
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.920
<v Speaker 3>then our parents were under them. But it was really

921
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 3>interesting to put it out because, I mean, I just

922
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 3>finished watching Stranger Things and I'm.

923
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, but the eighties were where was that?

924
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Nobody paid attention to us, Nobody called us, we were

925
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 3>back at night time and our parents didn't give a

926
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 3>crop where we were or what we were doing.

927
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was freedom and like, but look at

928
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the kids. Probably your son watched Stranger Things, right, they

929
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 1>all do. Excuse me, Romeo, these kids are watching that

930
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>going I mean the music. I want to weep when

931
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 1>they're playing prints and there. But this is almost how

932
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 1>will how the generations will like, how we'll make our

933
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>peace with the news generation because they know that that

934
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 1>was so cool, you know, and so yeah, watching that

935
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>is very And also I felt the same way about

936
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Yellow Jackets. That was also nineties the music, and I

937
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is so awesome. Watch that too, you guys.

938
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely it is our people. It's actresses we grew up

939
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.239
<v Speaker 1>with who are now grown ups, and it was fantastic.

940
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean I hate to be like I

941
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.199
<v Speaker 1>worry about the children because they said the same thing

942
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>about us. Actually, no, they didn't. They didn't wry about us.

943
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.760
<v Speaker 1>They had to say, at o'clock, do you know where

944
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 1>your child is? Because maybe we haven't thought about them

945
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 1>all day.

946
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.079
<v Speaker 2>They'll be home, they'll show up.

947
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll show up, well, Terry, I have to say this.

948
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 3>We have all these questions we never get to any

949
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 3>of them. But the heart of what I wanted this

950
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 3>episode to be has has arrived.

951
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, good was there something I missed? I feel

952
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 1>bad now I took care.

953
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, because this is what I really want.

954
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I think that this struggle of identity, and I mean

955
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:24.960
<v Speaker 3>for you, your story. You know, Laura has a different

956
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 3>story of having a baby, you know a couple of

957
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 3>years ago, a totally different story. I have a different

958
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 3>story of in my forties. Like I didn't even start

959
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:34.880
<v Speaker 3>strength training until I was forty one.

960
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.199
<v Speaker 5>And then I can't believe that this business and all

961
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 5>of these things that I didn't think was possible in

962
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 5>my path when I was in my twenties and thirties

963
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 5>because I was a stay at home mom.

964
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 3>That's my identity. That's what I was, that's what I did.

965
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 3>And so this reinvention is really you have three people

966
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 3>on this call right now that have re invented in

967
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 3>a different way than what the norm would tell you.

968
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I would say, I mean, there is no norm, because

969
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 1>you might have seemed norm because you're like, I'm a

970
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>stay at home on, but your life changed. My mom

971
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 1>always says, and she does something I'll never forget. She's like,

972
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, people like life is short. Life be sure,

973
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:23.760
<v Speaker 1>my mom goes life is long. Make good decisions, you

974
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like it's you're gonna have to

975
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.639
<v Speaker 1>live with that. Now you'll also live through it. Like, yes,

976
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 1>you had little kids when you were you were a baby,

977
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.159
<v Speaker 1>yourself so young, and now those kids are growing up,

978
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>like you have a whole other life, Right, what are

979
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>you gonna do? I mean, my sister just sent her

980
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>first to college, her second one is going to college.

981
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 1>She was a little panicky, like, what am I gonna do?

982
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.639
<v Speaker 1>She's so young, right, she has so much energy. She

983
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>is now producing our podcast. She learned how to use

984
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.880
<v Speaker 1>or like the riverside app and edit and she's like,

985
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I love this. She has a whole new career as

986
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.280
<v Speaker 1>essentially a producer. She's like, oh, I like to zoom

987
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.320
<v Speaker 1>it on this. She's a whole new skill set. And

988
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 1>she says, thank god we did this now, because I

989
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know what I would have done. So the answer

990
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>is everyone should have a podcast. Just kidding. I think

991
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the answer is that everyone should make something, do something,

992
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 1>write something. I mean, there's a reason why we're called to,

993
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I just want to make something well, and then

994
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.559
<v Speaker 1>they'll say, talk to any women are Oh, but I

995
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 1>mean I was an accountant for years. It's not like

996
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.199
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't trained dough this. We were trained for different things,

997
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.079
<v Speaker 1>for a different world. We were trained for a different

998
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:32.039
<v Speaker 1>world that doesn't exist anymore. So guess what You're gonna

999
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>have to invent who you are now? And that scariness

1000
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 1>that we feel like people, well, I don't know. I

1001
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>just want to go back to what I know. You know,

1002
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not scary because it's dangerous. It's because freedom is

1003
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>so foreign to you you don't recognize it, and so

1004
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you're defaulting to fear. But it's not scary, it's exciting.

1005
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>But the fact that so many women are afraid of that,

1006
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>well what do I do? It's like, this is what

1007
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>we've been waiting for. This is it? Freedom feels scary

1008
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.239
<v Speaker 1>because you're so not used to it. Yes, it's used

1009
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah.

1010
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.079
<v Speaker 3>And I like the reinventing of the skills because I

1011
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 3>have to say, on my staff alone, I have one

1012
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 3>person that's kind of the I don't know, chief operating

1013
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 3>office or whatever you would call them, who has been

1014
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 3>in corporate America for twenty years and then I've hired

1015
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of other women my age that are wicked,

1016
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 3>smart women, but they you know, they raised kids, and

1017
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 3>so we're sitting here.

1018
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Half the time on these calls. This one person who's like, well,

1019
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:33.360
<v Speaker 2>you know.

1020
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 3>You guys get this, and we're like, we stayed at

1021
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 3>home for twenty years.

1022
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>We didn't, we don't know this. But all of these

1023
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 2>women can learn.

1024
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.880
<v Speaker 3>And I wouldn't have picked anyone different because the skill set,

1025
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 3>as you said, with your sister, who cares.

1026
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>What you went to school with and you haven't worked

1027
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 2>in X amount.

1028
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Of years, or you don't know that yours like it

1029
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.280
<v Speaker 3>can just you can figure it out.

1030
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:59.320
<v Speaker 2>We're all smart women that can figure the self esteem.

1031
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.239
<v Speaker 1>And this is I'm going to speak to our generation

1032
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 1>because the younger are not old enough to complain about

1033
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.159
<v Speaker 1>this yet much. But I cannot stand. I have an

1034
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<v Speaker 1>allergic reaction to when any woman around me, around our

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<v Speaker 1>age says they can't do tech. I want to scream.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to grab them by the ears and shape them,

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<v Speaker 1>because I say everything's tech. You use a phone, you

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<v Speaker 1>use a microwave is tech, Books are tech. All tech

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<v Speaker 1>is is a tool with which to do something else.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea, the one I'm not good at that we

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<v Speaker 1>have counted ourselves out. I didn't neither to my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>She's online. She knows how to order stuff ships, so

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<v Speaker 1>she could do everything. This idea that I can't I can't. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know women are age. No, don't start with that,

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<v Speaker 1>do not. And this idea that you can't learn tech

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy because this tech today especially you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be an engineer. It's me so that a monkey

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<v Speaker 1>could do it, so like you can do it, But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what it is. It's that it's not like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't, this is too hard. I can't. No, you're

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<v Speaker 1>so in your face with your critic. You're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't because I'm not a person who does this.

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<v Speaker 1>They've overidentified with someone who can't do things, who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know things, when in fact, if I said I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a million dollars and won't murder your family if

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<v Speaker 1>you learn to use Instagram, guess who's going to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to use Instagram. So like, don't tell me you

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<v Speaker 1>can't do it. You can. It's the block about the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of what you can't do, and that's what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold women our age back. That's when we pull

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<v Speaker 1>away from the shore and the people who say, well

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't, they stay on the shore and they're done.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like people don't use AI. I'm likebye, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you had fun because you're done now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's true, it's great. It's the reinventing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I see this like in the weight loss world

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, people will come into my programs and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, there's nothing special here.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing. There's no magic pill or solution, Like, hey, they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanting your arms. They just want your arms. They want

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<v Speaker 1>you to tell them what to do to get the arms.

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<v Speaker 1>The arms arms.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's just like every day I see

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<v Speaker 3>women reinvent themselves. But you're right, you have to change.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to do it myself. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't start a Who's gonna listen to me on Instagram?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to do any of this or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you starting off with a ted talk. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I'm gonna figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll figure it out, of course, you figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we undermine our own abilities. Something that my

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<v Speaker 1>niece says that well, that people say now they'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>how are going to be boys? Do it? I like,

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<v Speaker 1>which is amazing. So whenever someone says, well there's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough money or we can't earn it off and there's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough, there's plenty of money, and some douchebag out

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<v Speaker 1>there who's doing very little is taking home your share.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you gonna do about it? Do you speak?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have any speaking engagements coming out? Because I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I need to meet you on person.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're going to be talking.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, anyone who needs a speaker because my bookings

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<v Speaker 1>are down. I haven't really tried, I haven't really pitched,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would love to do more speaking, So anyone. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I don't have anything currently scheduled. I just

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<v Speaker 1>have the Uh. I just had the podcast. It goes

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<v Speaker 1>live every week. That's it. I also run live workshops,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do. I do lecture them because the room

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<v Speaker 1>is all women our age basically with a few very

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<v Speaker 1>advanced involved men. And I run live workshops every week

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<v Speaker 1>where people come and write, and I'm forever telling them

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<v Speaker 1>you are creative. I don't care that you majored in finance, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 1>You're still creative. So I am forever coaxing people out

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<v Speaker 1>of that shell. So when I speak, I'm speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>my community and that's easy enough to check out. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you hear of like any major events, please tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to throw my head in the ring.

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<v Speaker 3>And you in New York?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, do you hear the ambulance? Oh? Sorry, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even like where are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I marry you in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an upper on the Upper West Side. I'm near

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Center. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We had an apartment in Murray Hill like your years, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>my husband did. I I would visit.

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<v Speaker 3>We were kind of living in two places while he

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<v Speaker 3>was working out in the city before we moved out.

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<v Speaker 3>But such a fantastic there's nowhere like New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not you walk down the street in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and you're on your own music video. It's you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to whatever, you're wearing whatever, like it's just I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like, it's not what it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't care. It's still New York. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely So Terry in closing here, where can women find you?

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<v Speaker 3>And can you just mention again about your writing group.

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<v Speaker 1>Because oh it's a big book. Oh the book is

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<v Speaker 1>called Unfollow Your Passion. You can find where ever books

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<v Speaker 1>are sold. Hopefully it came on so I hope it's

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<v Speaker 1>still there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. It came maturing the pandemic, so it did

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<v Speaker 1>not get the you know, the attention that it might have.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's all right. You can find me anywhere. I'm everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has my name, literally no one, So Terry Trispichi,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find me on the on the gram, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find me on TikTok, blah blah blah. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to actually hang out and spend time, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always on and talking to this group and in my

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my little community. It's the group I've run.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called the New Rules Studio. We call it the Studio,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is essentially a live, real time, virtual critic

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<v Speaker 1>free writing room, not just for writers. So joining, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you want to write? Do you guys want to write? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I've always wanted to share a yes I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I Do you like the idea of sitting and writing

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<v Speaker 1>your story?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would say I'm too busy right now, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's definitely on the docket.

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<v Speaker 2>In like the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Decade, decade. I like thinking in decades. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>really important. Well, let me, I'll tell you. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you and everyone else you're better than you think, because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell I'm pample, I'm really a bad writer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not good. No, it's just that you trained according

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<v Speaker 1>to grammar and you were afraid of doing it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You there is I say, there's no such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>writer's block. There's just the desire to write and the

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<v Speaker 1>desire to be right. And if you're going to write

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<v Speaker 1>and be creative, you have to be willing to be

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and to mess it up. But we are a

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<v Speaker 1>very specific approach to writing. It's called the Gateless method.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not invent it. There's no criticism, there's no judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's going to tell you how to do your thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're only going to listen to your work and tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what we loved about it. And I, having being

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<v Speaker 1>a seasoned and certified facilitator in this method, will point

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<v Speaker 1>out the craft points of what this speaker did. Haley, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see what she did here is she did this,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she starts with this introduction, and you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't know I did that. So I'm forever

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<v Speaker 1>showing people their work and showing them how strong it

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<v Speaker 1>is so that they can share it however they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can, you know, come try. And what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing is getting a special body Pod link that you

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<v Speaker 1>can put in the show notes so that we'll know

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<v Speaker 1>how many of your friends come. I love to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it well, Terry, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>spending your afternoon with us. This was such an enlightening

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<v Speaker 3>and and as as I mentioned at the first, different

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<v Speaker 3>podcast than any other guests that we've had, so thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for being Thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Thank you so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You are so fun to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you guys are so sweet. I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you in person.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I'm on East Coaster now, so when I come

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<v Speaker 4>to New York, I am meeting up with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Please please do. This is real fun. Thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thanks for listening everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>If you enjoyed this episode, please consider giving us a

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<v Speaker 4>five star rating and sharing the body Pod with your

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